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Garyman comments on a recent DINOSAUR lecture
Here's the latest sighting on the DINOSAUR front. A movie that thus far is exhibiting the greatest Dinosaur images ever seen on film, video or human history... But is there a story? What about the script? That's the question that is really driving me at the moment now... And hopefully the house the mouse built is working on that as we speak... This is the cast list as I know it so far.... Max Casella ,
Ossie Davis ,
Julianna Margulies ,
Hayden Panettiere ,
Joan Plowright ,
Della Reese ,
Peter Siragusa ,
D.B. Sweeny ,
Alfre Woodard and
Samuel E. Wright. Here's Garyman
Last week I saw a sneak showing of bits from Disney's Dinosaur.
It was a lecture with the producer, visual effects supervisor, and one
of the character animators.
Well, disappointingly they only showed the first seven-eight minute
sequence. But what a sequence. Absolutely jaw dropping.
It starts out with an egg in a nest with the mother taking care of it.
The nest is in a herd of herbivores all grazing and wandering around.
You know that feeling when you first saw the dino in Jurassic? Yeah,
same "holy shit, look at that" feeling. I can't really identify the
dinosaurs, but they didn't look like ones I had seen before. Similar,
but not quite. The camera tracks a young dinosaur as it runs through the
herd that is watering in a swamp type area. The young dino runs thorugh
the swamp under the legs of the larger dinos. Then it chases a bug into
the woods where there is a huge tyranosaur type dino(the filmmakers
called it a carnosaur)
The carnosaur blasts out of the trees and tears into the herd. In
the process the nest is destroyed except for one egg. Which is pucked up
by a small velociraptor/chicken-type dino. It takes this egg into the
forest where it fights with another of it's kind and the egg is dropped
into the water. Where it drifts past several different types of dinos.
It is then picked up by a pterodactyl and carried over the ocean to an
island where the dino is attacked by birds and the egg is dropped.
That's all we got.
Now, the story that they told us, was that it deals with the dinos
before and after the comet hits that supposedly wipes out the dinos. Now
I remember hearing the story and how it follows a young dino that is
raised by lemurs. But the filmmakers didn't say anything about that.
Actually I asked about the furred creatures and the producer said that
they were not allowed to talk about it.
The rest of the presentation was basically, "how did they do that"?
During this segment they showed a few more shots but nothing major. They
talked and showed one of the voice talents but for the life of me I
can't rememeber the name. An old refined british lady.
What makes this film so spectacular is the use of live action
backgrounds. The dinos blended almost perfectly with the environments.
There were people on either side of me, asking "was that all computer
graphics?"
Garyman
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"Dino-Saws!"
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But didn't Disney do this already with a rather crappily made number called BABY, SECRET OF THE LOST LEGEND? OOOOOOOOH, let's see if Bill Katt is still available...
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Max Casella? The "Doogie Howser" Max Casella? So we're going to have a NY Italian dinosaur? Wait, I'm having painful flashes of "Mulan." Live-action backgrounds? I was hoping for a completely CGI environment, ala "Bug's Life." Oh, and Garyman... I'm willing to bet that the herding dinosaurs were Maiasaurs, since they get *so* much publicity. The "carnosaur"(a generic term for any large flesh-eating dino) was most likely a tyrannosaur(T-rex, Albertosaurus, Daspletosaurus, take your pick), since they were the only carnosaurs present during the late Cretaceous(when the 'comet' hit). And the chicken-dinosaur was probably a Struthiomimus or Gallimimus. Sorry, I just love writing their names. Oh, and the pterodactyl was really me, in a pterodactyl-shaped time machine, doing research for the Banzai Institute... almost got that egg...
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...is assuming this film takes place in North America, of course. The "carnosaur" could also have been a Utahraptor, but I really doubt it.
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Don't hold out much hope for the story on this picture. While the images are simply incredible, this is another case of wasting the efforts of the genius artists at disney. It is far far too late to do anything about the story. They painted themselves into a corner with the live action background concept, and redoing animation at this point is simply impossible. There were some brilliant story artists on this project at one time, but their suggestions were all ignored in favor of the "vision" of the morons that run this company. The film will certainly be fun to watch but not nearly the masterpiece it should have been.
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This may be old news, but here are some tidbits I have been able to piece together. First, it is not a "carnosaur," but a "Carnotaur." The name means flesh-eating bull. It is a carnivorous dino from South America with horns over the eyes (hence bull), a short snout and very-short arms like a T. Rex (only it has four fingers instead of two). It is big, but not as big as a T. Rex. How do I know this? The movie pictures Harry showed earlier in the year depicted one, plus the dino that attacks the riders in Disney World's "Countdown to Extinction" (a tie-in with the movie) is a carnotaur.
Another tidbit (which I'm less cerain about) is that the dinos in the film were designed by comic-book illustrator Ricardo Delgado, creator of the popular "Age of Reptiles" comics for Dark Horse. All the issues are now collected in two seperate graphic novels. The 1st novel states that Delgado is working on a "top-secret" Dinsey project. The other features an introduction by the vice-president of Disney Animation. Coincidence?
Delgado was orginally going to design the new Godzilla, but those designs were scrapped when Jan DeBont (sp?) left the project.
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That dinosaur egg get's raised by monkeys apparently. This is going to be a typical straight-down-the-middle crappy Disney story, done in CGI. How many times are they going to remake The Jungle Book??!! 4 more times?! 9 more times?! Useless... BBC's Walking with Dinosaurs is going to piss all over this film!!
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Could well have been an oviraptor - they were quite chickeny (well, they had a beak). :)
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Not that a rabbit couldn't be pulled out of a hat, but this film has had more writers than the "Flinstones." And almost as many directors.
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Anyonewho wants to see a quick little preview of this movie should go on the "Countdown to Extinction" ride at Disney's Animal Kingdom. In the waiting area before you get in your car, they play a dopey movie that shows what I assume is actual animation from the film. About a 5 second segment of the Iguanadon (the main character of the film) looking into the camera. He looks a little "cartoony" but the movement and textures look hella sweet. It's enough to get you excited aboutwhat they might do with the realistic looking dinos... I first went on this ride 2 years ago, before I had heard anything about the movie itself. And btw, I believe the name of the T-rex type dino is "Carnotaurus"
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...but is not a Carnotaur also a carnosaur? 'Age of Reptiles' is excellent, a treasured part of my comic collection. If only Disney would take Delgado's "no dialogue" approach. It's too bad they have all these new toys to play with, but the same old limited imagination.
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A well-done CGI dinosaur movie? Good idea. Having the dinosaurs talk? Bad idea! Everybody know dinosaurs couldn't speak English!
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When, WHEN are they going to take this goddamn brilliant book -- probably the single best exploration of dinosaurs as modern myth -- and make it into a movie?! A good "Dinotopia" film would take the rancid taste of *both* "Jurheadupyurassic Park" movies out of my mouth. Heck, it might even make up for the rancid awfulness of the direct-to-video "Land Before Time" movies.
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Big T here. I must say this film sounds somewhat troubled. All I have heard about this is that their is a great opening sequence but the story is weak. I also think I heard someone talk about dinosaurs singing songs in typical disney animated film fashion. This film sounds like it has the same problem that Tarzan had. It makes stuff look cooler gives you a great first half (which Tarzan did excellently it also helped that no one sang)but then stumbles out near the end. I have been to the animating studio in Orlando lately but unfortunately nothing that hasnt been on the site already is their. Maybe soon their will be. Big T out.
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I honestly think this movie will be good. Dinosaurs are a hot subject ever since Jurrasic Park. And if the special effects are as good as they say they are going to be, then this will be a hot movie. Especially on the children level. I myself cannot wait for the movie to come out. Already I want to see it. I am a Disney fan, and will never down a movie unless I have seen it. Good day.
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Raptor Red - based on the novel by paleontologist Bob Bakker. No human voices, no cutesy critters - just a widowed female raptor trying to make her way in the world. One of the best books I've read in awhile, and much more "filmable" than it sounds - though you'd have a time convincing the suits and ties.
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I find this whole thing creepy!!
In 1988 a lovely moive was released. It was called "the Land before time". And it featured unforgettable characters like Littlefoot, Cera and Petrie.
now, the spooky thing is:
The way the opening of "Dinosaurs" is described sounds EXACTLY the same as the opening of "the land before time" was. It's THE same thing. The egg, waterfall, being picked up by a dinosaur. The only difference is that in "The land before time" the dinosaurs were apatosaurs.
this sounds like a remake of this film, and I don't like it, cause noone has even mentioned it!
just thought I'd mention this, cause I find it an important issue.
mrContica -
I saw some test footage of this in London about two years ago, including a clip they'll probably never show of the most fearsome dinosaur of all: the Mickey-saurus! (Maybe this will turn up on the DVD or something...)
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This is THE movie as far as I`m concerned. If the rumours are true about it being the most expensive movie ever made then, never mind the story, it has to be some awesome eye candy.
I`ve been working for the past 2 years on the epic documentary `Walking With Dinosaurs` for the BBC & whilst we can`t match the mega - millions of Disney, we have produced three hours solid of photo real movie quality computer generated dinosaurs.Imagine taking a camera crew back to the Triassic, Jurassic & Creatacious periods,- this is the footage that they would bring back. -
Jul 21, 1999 1:45:59 AM CDT
As long as American Animation continues to focus on little kids,
by bddres
You're right about Dinosaurs being a hot subject since Jurassic Park, but then The Lost World was released. Dinosaur movies are so old now, especially animated ones, and especially ones with HORRIBLE STORIES!!! Horrible OLD STORIES! This is gonna be so unoriginal it's not even funny. Disney SUCKS, if you want animation, just turn to the LAND OF THE RISING SUN!
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mr CONTICA is right. why the hell hasnt anyone mentioned this before and why the hell isnt it the centre of talk back conversations? u cant read a tarzan talk back without absolutely everyone swearing their asses off at rosie odonell. this is soo painfully obvious that i thought everyone would start mentioning it a year ago!! i must admit though that i would love to see the land before time done in good animation. the animation wasnt that special but this is pretty much the only possible negative about this movie. it done in jaw-dropping 2d OR, in this case, 3d would be sensational. btw, i also LOVE DINATOPIA AND WANT IT TO BE MADE INTO A MOVIEbaff...
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