Ain't It Cool News (

‘I'm Coming For All Of You!!’
Herc Gives GALACTICA's
Blood On The Scales
Five Stars As Well!!

I am – Hercules!!
Did the guys on "Stargate SG-1" ever get to tell somebody to shove something up his or her ass? Even on those straight-to-DVD movies? I'm guessing no! Tonight’s episode of “Battlestar Galactica” is titled “Blood On The Scales.” Will it see the return of Romo Lampkin? Of Ellen Tigh? Will Sam Anders be given the opportunity to take vengeance against Diana Seelix? Is Saul Tigh momentarily dead? SciFi, as if to describe only last week’s episode, says:
Opposition in the fleet continues as rebels seize control of Galactica and take steps to eliminate Roslin and Adama.
Photos released by SciFi suggest Baltar makes it to the Cylon basestar but also makes it back to Galactica to negotiate with Gaeta. Last week’s episode, which evoked both “Die Hard” and “24,” was one of the best “Galacticas” to date. Right now the only series in danger of usurping “Galactica’s” place at the top of my 2009 best-series list is “Mad Men.” 10 p.m. Friday. SciFi.

Who Watches The Watchmen Tie-Ins??

Readers Talkback
comments powered by Disqus
    + Expand All
  • Feb. 6, 2009, 3:22 a.m. CST


    by jebuslovesyou666

    I love this fucking show.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 3:23 a.m. CST

    Mighty Second!

    by Droogie Alex

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 3:24 a.m. CST


    by Browndog

    First mother Fracker!! Shove that up your ass!!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 3:24 a.m. CST

    I have nothing else to do...

    by slowgraffiti

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 3:24 a.m. CST


    by smylexx

    Still think it would've benefited by having a few robot dogs in it like the original series.... or a cgi robot otter perhaps.. you know, to modernise it a bit and make it more 'street'.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 3:29 a.m. CST

    I agree....

    by jebuslovesyou666

    I wish the did have a robot dog. But if the did, what else would they do that would be questionable to the shows core.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 3:36 a.m. CST

    The Final Cylon is....

    by MotherPussBucket

    Dirk Benedict!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 3:40 a.m. CST

    I'm willing to wager that

    by blindambition238

    the Marines will all miss Adama cause none of them are really willingto kill him, and the rebellion falls apart from there...

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 3:46 a.m. CST

    IMDB says Zak Adama will be in the final 3 episodes!!!

    by Boomers_Lips

    along with a bunch of other dead characters! i wonder what that's about.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 3:50 a.m. CST

    how does Phantom-Six tie into the whole thing?

    by Boomers_Lips

    where did Pregnant-Six's 'Phantom-Baltar' go? I hope they resolve that part of the storyline since it's been there from the very beginning.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 3:54 a.m. CST

    a hot new Six appears in tonights episode!

    by Boomers_Lips

    a promo pic releasesd by NBC Universal/SciFi shows a very long haired brunette Six standing behind Baltar aboard the baseship. she appears to be wearing the long white dress that belonged to D'Anna.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 4:01 a.m. CST

    by Red43jes

    Anyone notice how Boomers_Lips keeps asking the same questions? Come on Boomer, I know you can think of new stuff to ask!Howzabout when is cavils fleet gonna show up? I suspect that with the drama thats going on with the fleet, and how they are fighting among themselves, this is going to be the perfect time for the Cylon fleet to come in and really ruin their day....thats my prediction. I suspect that head Six question won't be answered until the movie thats due out this far as Zak Adama, I seriously doubt his appearance will have any effect on the show. Hes dead. Flashback is all we probably will see of him, unless we get that "fazing" type of deal that Roslin got when she was on the base star and it kept jumping (for those that don't remember, she talked to the priestess chick that got killed in season two). Maybe Bill gets to talk to Zak that way? Hmmm...

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 4:11 a.m. CST

    SciFi promo is misleading.

    by Boomers_Lips

    the background/room when Geata orders the marines to shoot Adama doesn't match the background/room that Adama is in. I think they actually really do kill Tigh cause Geata looked awfully pissed and happy when he barked that order. I'm guessing Tigh dies tonight.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 4:22 a.m. CST

    the Cylons are bunch of wusses without their ressurection abilit

    by Boomers_Lips

    in the 2 minute preview clip for tonights episode, when Baltar informs the Cylons of what's happening aboard Galactica, they immediately want to jump away after Tory Foster suggests it. Leoben wants to rescue the Final 3 aboard Galactica. do they even know that Caprica-Six is pregnant? Leoben didnt even mention her. Why doesn't Tigh release her from the brig and transfer her to the Baseship?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 4:23 a.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    That episode was BADASS! Two old wardogs taking the flight to the Fleet Mutineers. Two-faced fuckers. What GALACTICA needs is Peace Through Superior Firepower, and Adama and Tigh BROUGHT IT!<P> *Shit. BSG turned me into a Republican Neocon! See what YOU did there, Ronald D Moore?!?*<P> <P> The only way this could be ANY more badass would be to cast Christian Bale as the Cylon God, then have Starbuck walk through his sight line.<P> IT'S FUCKING DISTRAAAAAAACTIIIIIIIIING!!!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 5:09 a.m. CST

    I too can't wait for Boomer's return

    by DigitalDong

    She got off the rez hub in time, and with the main One dying on it the Cylons are all sorts of fucked up. Plus I love the Basestar has been slowly healing itself since then. Nice details in that show.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 5:18 a.m. CST

    MAD MEN ?!?!?!

    by TheCap

    Are you frakkin' NUTZ ? MAD MEN even approaching BSG 200X in ANY way ?!?!?<br><br>Insane ! Blashphemous ! Inconcieveable !!! That is all.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 5:28 a.m. CST

    What? c'mon people

    by jebuslovesyou666

    Tigh doesn't die tonight. Why the hell would they let that slip in the promo for the show. That would be one of the most retarded moves in the history of television. Its just a ploy to watch and get interested, like we need one...

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 5:41 a.m. CST

    All bets are off

    by DrLektor

    but I thought baltar and the president on the way to the baseship would get blown to pieces last episode. I honestly don't have a clue where this show is heading now and that's brilliant. Lost is also awesome but the plot is becoming less mysterious, everything's falling into place and making sense... it's the complete opposite with Galactica. Two of the finest shows to grace our screens.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 5:50 a.m. CST


    by smackfu

    I can't help but notice that you post that exact post every friday in the Galactica episode talkback. Like word for word, copied and pasted. What's up with that? Studio plant, trying to drum up buzz? Or just creepy in a general, all around sort of way?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Boomers_Lips. Its creepy mate. We all know this shit

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    No behave and get back to drooling over the greatness that is BSG!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 6:27 a.m. CST

    I'm just curious godsdamnit!

    by Boomers_Lips

    and Christian Bale needs to be in this episode!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Another self inflicting wound story?

    by Dazzler69

    I don't care at this point what happens, but I am along for the ride to see how many end up dead for the end of series. They should just say only one remains for betting pools who remains. I bet Starbuck lives til the end only.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 6:48 a.m. CST

    It's be nice if the Galactica gets blown up in the finale.

    by Boomers_Lips

    if not then the Presidents ship. I have a feeling that when the Cavil-ry shows up, they're gonna take out a couple of ships before Cavil gets his ass kicked by Adama.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 7:30 a.m. CST


    by Himbo

    Unsure if they told anybody to shove it up their ass. Instead, they just took care of business: Make plans to kill the enemy, then execute that plan. If you are fleeing into deep space to start a new colony, then DO it. <p>With BSG, it is like Alien: Resurrection "We have to go 300 meters to get to our ship." OKAY we can run it in 2 minutes. Wait, let's walk slowly, and stop off in the lab and pontificate. Let's look down this hallway. SNACK! <p> That's IT! BSG is like a slasher movie in reverse. Space the virtuous; Save the douche-bags. Not that anybody cares about Kallie, since they pulled her affair with HotDog out of their ass. Maybe that's what Adama means?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 7:36 a.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    Even if Tigh dies, we know from his flashback on Earth that the Final Five have some means of resurrection; and presumably it's not tied to the other Cylons' now-defunct resurrection ships (since they had it before there were any of those). So Tigh could die, wake up somewhere, and be greeted by Ellen.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 7:36 a.m. CST


    by Himbo

    While 2009 MM is yet to be seen, judging from the previous seasons it should easily displace BSG. Both shows are well acted, but Mad Men has a level of subtlety, and an economy of words that outperforms Galactica's shouting matches. The characters actions are bourne out of their identities, and there are always consequences to action. <p> And it has yet to pull some 'Planet of the Apes' style BS.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Is galactica trading guns for brains?

    by knowthyself

    I sure hope not. I miss the "creepy cylon vibe". Where's head six when you need her?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Admiral Adama and Lt. Gaeta are fucking done professionally

    by SpyGuy

    Cannot wait to see how last week's cliffhanger gets resolved. Bring it!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Or perhaps that should be "fraking done professionally"

    by SpyGuy

    This is BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, after all.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Gaeta just doesn't understand admirals!

    by knowthyself

    I mean Adama doesn't go around fucking with the communication systems does he? For fuck sakes.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 7:44 a.m. CST


    by chezberc

    yeah wtf guy, you really gotta post a spoiler right in the subject line? multiple times?? classic dick move.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Wow they said "Ass"!!! That MUST mean it's good scifi.

    by V'Shael

    Jesus that's pathetic.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 7:49 a.m. CST


    by ManosTHOF

    For whom the bell trolls. Glad to see ya, buddy! Troll on son, troll on......

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Romo Lampkin Returns

    by Crow3711

    IMDB says he is in this episode, and thats awesome. Because the only character more badass than the Old Man and Tigh is Romo Lampkin. That man is a god, he shouldve been the final cylon. In fact, he should have been the only cylon, murdered everyone with his bare hands, and then lived on Earth by himself.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Who's worried about Tigh?

    by Jarados

    He'll just regenerate. What about the old man??? Wait, sorry, wrong show...

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 8:43 a.m. CST

    That was a fantastic episode last week

    by chrth

    One of the nice things about a "only 7 episodes left!" show is that you can't be sure major characters won't die. For example, no one who watched Bones last night actually thought Booth would die. But for Adama (either one), you can't be sure what they have planned unless you're spoiled. Makes it a lot more gripping as a show.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 8:45 a.m. CST

    IT'S ON

    by secretcylon

    If you liked last week, you will love tonight.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 8:46 a.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    Part of your post is accurate.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 8:57 a.m. CST

    NO! Please no more Romo Lampkin!

    by nam0krut

    were gonna have 5 minutes of real story and 55 minutes of lampkin talking to his imaginary cat and spouting drivel.. He is the nikki & paulo of BSG know it be true

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Best Galactica to date??

    by MapMan

    What show are you watching? BSG has continually dipped in quality since the last half of season 2. So far I haven't seen anything approaching season 1 quality in this last batch of episodes. I really have my doubts the RDM will be able to pull off a satisfying conclusion. This isn't just my opinion. People I've lent to DVD sets to devour season 1. After watching season 2 there is considerably less interest in watching season 3.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:05 a.m. CST

    More Baltar, More Hybrid...

    by NoHubris

    ... and no Romo!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Didn't You watch Last Week Tigh

    by oogabooga

    It seems obvious to me that Saul jumps on the grenade

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Agreed, chrth

    by NoHubris

    The way things look those former Pegasus crew members are so bloodthirsty that they would take out ANYBODY.<p>Even good old Capt. Kelly seems even more trigger happy than when he was during Baltar's trial.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Gaeta is so gonna get his ass-whipped...

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    I can't stand that punk....

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Maybe Adama should hire the services of Sterling Cooper.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Don Draper can arrange a sitdown with Zarek and Gaeta and ask them how they really feel about the duality of the circle of life.<P>And if all else fails, he'll sleep with Seelix and will perform a Gooch Grab on Racetrack. He'll MAKE those turncoats fall back in line.<P>Hey, Colonials! Get to know Don Draper!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Spud McSpud

    by skiprat1

    “The only way this could be ANY more badass would be to cast Christian Bale as the Cylon God, then have Starbuck walk through his sight line.” - That's awesome. Emailing to everyone I know.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Can't wait for this ep

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    so they'll quit playing the *I AM COMING FOR ALL OF YOU* commercial

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Mad Men>Lost>BSG

    by HoboCode

    But I love all three.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Chewbacca Defense

    by MattInTheHat

    OK, how does it make sense that if Tigh dies by diving on the grenade that he would be resurrected. This is a planet that has been nuked for 2000 years. So if he DOES get resurrected then how does that explain the fact that the final 5 were actually on the colonies and must have been resurrected there multiple times because Tigh has aged before Adamas very eyes, meaning he must have been born (resurrected) on a colony. I rest my case, you honour.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Badger > Romo

    by MattInTheHat

    You know it. He's got a nice hat too.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST

    BSG>The Office>Lost>Mad Men

    by BrowncoatJedi

    There. Fixed it for you.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Don Draper vs. Gaeta

    by NoHubris

    Draper would have left Galactica and told Geata and the mutineers to call him once they realize that they cannot survive against their rivals (i.e Cavil and company) without him.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Matt In The Hat Is Right

    by Alen Smithee

    Wookies do not live on Endor.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST


    by NoHubris

    You are onto something. RDM should've found a way to get Jon Hamm on the show.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Shove it Up Your ass!!!!

    by TheWaqman

    A quote for the ages.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:51 a.m. CST

    As it stands BSG > Lost....

    by TheWaqman

    I still like lost though. But really, I'm just more invested in BSG, and it never got as annoying as Lost did in seasons 2/3.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Romo Lampkin is such a shit character.

    by TheWaqman

    Please just finish him off finally. These are the last episodes of the series. Don't taint them with him.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10 a.m. CST

    SF TV shock value...

    by DreadPirateRoberts

    If a shocking line of dialogue or scene is your measure of sci fi quality, then SG-1 has BSG beat hands down with full frontal nudity in the pilot. Just sayin'.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Gaeta talking to Baltar ...

    by chrth

    Maybe it's In-Head Baltar! ... I wish. Besides my deep abiding concern that we're not going to revisit the Kobol mythos, I really miss the old Baltar. Saw a flash of him last week, but only a flash.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:05 a.m. CST

    DreadPirateRoberts: Was that nudity aired? Or just on the DVD?

    by V'Shael

    Either way, it was kinda cool. :)

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    I hope Tigh comes back...

    by mrfan

    with his eye regenerated, rips off Gaeta's other leg, and beats his ass with it.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    ok, so let's say tigh dies/regenerates...

    by RaveX

    what age would he be at? <p> adama met him when they both were in their, what, 40s (yes, that was nice make-up they had at the beginning of s02, but no matter how good it was they can't expect us to believe that those two were any younger then that). <p> when nuked plant's saul died, he was the same age as galactica's saul is right now, give or take couple of years. he regenerated (who knows how many times), but it's clear that he comes back younger. <p> so, my question is... since they obviously age, are final5 regenerated/reborn as babies? and the part that's worrying me the most: after/if he regenerates, will the character still be played by Michael Hogan?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST

    *nuked planEt's saul

    by RaveX

    WTB edit function

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST

    SG1 nudity

    by Stile

    The nudity was aired, but keep in mind SG1 was on Showtime for the first 6 years. They never did anything like that again. It's on the DVD.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Number 6

    by Himbo

    Many people are asking "Where is Six"? I'll tell ya. Tricia Helfer is in Miami, filming the most excellent "Burn Notice." And why no "Burn Notice" Talkback?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST

    "Shove It Up Your Ass..."

    by KosherWookie

    Isn't that what Gaeta wants anyway?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST

    yeah, and you also had the slimy thing...

    by turketron

    Crawling it's way across the chick's naked body, like some horror movie or hentai shit lol.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Yeah, if Tigh resurrects...

    by turketron

    He should be young... won't care if he does come back as his old grizzled self though, the actor is to damn good not to have around kicking ass in the final episodes.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Like Stile says...

    by DreadPirateRoberts

    It was aired. Appearantly Showtime insisted they find a scene to put it in. The wanted to generate some talk and put on something 'edgy', and aired it at 10pm. The producers were sort of annoyed by the request and never did it again.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:20 a.m. CST

    BLOOD on the COAL

    by BurnHollywood

    Battlestar Galactica<p> Went through a black hole<p> Now brothers and sisters<p> There's blood on the coal-l-l-l-l...

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST

    leave Seelix alone

    by Xiphos_2

    She's my future ex-old lady.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Knowing how RDM is a fan of single-malt Scotch, I'm sure he'd love to film a scene with Jon Hamm.<P>Can you imagine a drinking contest between Draper & Sterling vs. Tigh & Starbuck?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:44 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Indeed. Seelix is such a babe and she was looking particularly fine last week.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:57 a.m. CST


    by Xiphos_2

    You ain't awoofing son, Seelix did in fact, look particularly tasty last week when she got over on Mr. Starbuck.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11 a.m. CST

    I rewatched Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down last night...

    by ghost_matt

    ...the one where Baltar gives Ellen the cylon test and at the end he tells Six he'll never tell anyone the real results. Right at the end there's a pan down, and if you look real close you can see what's on his computer screen, and Ellen's test came out green.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Shove it up your ass!

    by skydemon

    Pissed off Adama ....Priceless

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:37 a.m. CST


    by Razorback

    That is the real list.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    No it's not because Chuck is shit.

    by TheWaqman

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Chuck is awesome

    by Razorback

    But your opinion, on the other hand, fits the shit statement.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Ellen's test

    by dr_pepper

    Maybe it doesn't work on the final 5 as they're different models.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    ghost_matt, it was probably nothing

    by blindambition238

    According to commentary for Sometimes a Great Notion, and an interview with Kate Vernon, the decision to make her the final cylon was made somewhere during production of season 3 or 4 after she had filmed her 'death'. <p> During the production of Season 1, she was only scheduled for that season leave by the end of it. Apparently, they only decided to give her a bigger role throughout the series afterward because of the response to her character.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Pissed off President Stands With Fist is coming

    by Xiphos_2

    For Gaetas punk ass and Zarek is going to serve it up to her on a silver platter because Zarek is an even bigger punk.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST

    I hope Doc Cottle puts his cigarette out ...

    by chrth

    on Gaeta's stump

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Wait a minute

    by Xiphos_2

    there was nudity in the SG 1 DVD's? Whaaaaat! Who was it is? Please tell me McGuyver didn't do the full Monty, that's just gross.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Um... Stargate Did Plenty of Times...

    by blhotz

    McGruber had many great one-liners on SG1 including some w/ "shove it up your ass". ...with that said, gah... sure hope Sci-fi comes up with another good show after BSG (*crosses fingers about Universe)

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST


    by Xiphos_2

    Did the bad actress with the big cans who played the blond scientest/warrior chick show the goods?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Anything is better than "Frak."

    by TheLastCleric

    I like the show but the whole Frak thing is painfully stupid and has been since day one. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't use it so much but some episodes pepper it so liberally that it actually takes away from the otherwise solid writing and acting.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Ellen and Tigh

    by NinjaChampion

    I think Tigh will come back, maybe in the same way Starbuck did, And he will bring cylon Ellen with him. And I would love to see Starbuck get the chance to kill Felix.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST


    by blindambition238

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by DeepThinker

    I'm hoping that Starbuck will turn out to be a young Cylon Ellen. That'd really fuck with Tigh.... Then Starbuck Ellen could kill (in no certain order) Gaeta, Lampkin, Zarek, and Cavell's fleet in a 90-minute special-episode series finale. Followed up by beheading both R & D in the production tag while screaming at the camera, "I could do this all day!!!!"

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    KFC Frak Pack!

    by Boomers_Lips

    don't really like it. but I do live those little Snacker things! I wish they had used that instead and renamed it a Fracker when you order it.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Romo Lampkin is a jealous copy of Gregory House

    by tangcameo

    All he needs is to cut out shaving and start popping pills.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST


    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    Wow- first time I've heard that theory. Very interesting...

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    that is...

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    ...the part about Starbuck being a young Ellen model Cylon. As far as the action scenes, I LOL'd at MrFan's denoument. (Saul coming back to rip Gaeta's leg off and beat him with it) And the idea that Zarek will sell out Gaeta seems very likely- and fun to watch.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Maybe I'm the only one..

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    that wants a happy ending, at least for some of the characters. Otherwise, it's the equivalent of never getting off Gilligan's Island. (And NO, the years-later TV movies do NOT count.) All that misery for years, and no payoff for anyone, including the viewers? I would feel let down. I know there are a lot of viewers that are into pain and misery for art's sake. And I get how the well the suffering is portrayed in this series. Damn depressing well done. But I want it to mean something besides wasted time. That it was worth it on some level for some characters I came to care about. Perhaps it's just me...

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST


    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    I have enjoyed your tastefully cryptic posts. Thanks!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 3:59 p.m. CST

    The final episode.

    by Boomers_Lips

    From the various comments that the actors have made about it, make it seem that the finale is NOT open ended and everyone gets resolution to their story.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST


    by Executor

    enough.<p>seriously.<p>Your constant zak adama imdb posting is annoying. You do realize that anyone can submit to imdb, and they have a long history of incorrect information before a project is aired, and sometimes even after. <p>You've made your point the last four weeks.<p>Now shut the fuck up, kindly.<p>Thank you.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Chuck is the dumbest show on prime time. . .

    by Bunger!

    It baffles that people even bother to keep up with it, much less rate it highly.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Romo Lampkin needs hardcoded subtitles.

    by MisterE

    I can't understand a word the guy says.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 5:32 p.m. CST

    far out predictions

    by NinjaChampion

    My inner 13-year-old fanboy was thinking more about how Tigh and Ellen could come back and maybe they will return in a brand new battlestar. I could see the rebel controlled fleet being attacked by the main cylon fleet. They would have no choice but to ask the friendly cylons for help. But it'd be no use against Cavil's fleet. Then out of nowhere a battlestar commanded by Tigh jumps into battle and saves the day. Then Zarek could turn against Gaeta only to be shot by Roslin. And Starbuck would end up shooting Gaeta.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Adama can't pardon the mutiners!

    by Boomers_Lips

    they'll just sit back and try it again when the time is right. I say airlock all the motherfuckers!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST

    You're comparing BSG with SG-1?

    by Amy Chasing

    Bit odd, but in answer to your question - yes, I'm pretty sure Colonel O'Neill has told many people and aliens to shove it - in as many words. <P> How's that Chuck TB coming along? It may be a dumb show in some ways, but damn if it's not one of the funnest, knows-its-genre-and-does-it-well show out there.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST

    RazorBack...Shove that list up your ass!

    by TheWaqman

    lol I'm just kidding.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST

    How can Mad Men be on your 2009 list

    by memento108

    ...when it's 2009 season hasn't even premiered yet? And why wouldn't Lost be second??

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST

    i bet you frak haters hate it when

    by RokurGepta

    they use the term gods as well? I happen to like the term frak, their use of it is very realistic.... just be glad they are not using the word feldercarb......

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST


    by MachThree

    Now wait just a Centon!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Why does everyone hate Lampkin?

    by Crow3711

    He's pretty much a total badass, and his episode with the trial of Baltar/Lee on the stand I think is one of the finest hours of BSG yet. I'm in the crowd that thinks the show, while still amazing, has never been as good as it was in S1/S2, but that episode effected my hardcore, and he was a major part of that. I stand by Romo, I don't care what any of you think. He's a badass

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    by Crow3711

    affected me*. Fucking spelling.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    surprised more people aren't posting....

    by RokurGepta

    very surprised

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST


    by Boomers_Lips

    it's always slow in a BSG tb before the episode airs since there's nothing to discuss cause we haven't seen it yet. BSG starts in 6 minutes.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST

    always wondered should I watch moonlight.

    by RaveX

    now I know.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST

    BSG's biggest problem

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    the total lack of ninjas

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:12 p.m. CST

    ok, it wan't be a bomb

    by RaveX

    what's the alternative from the previews? gun squad?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:12 p.m. CST


    by RaveX

    guys, seriously... WTB edit function!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Lampkin is Adamas secret weapon..

    by nam0krut

    he is going to open his mouth and bore Gaeta and Zarek to death!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    galen as john mclane...

    by Lt. Kaffee


  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST


    by p5mmr9


  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Holy crap...

    by memento108

    Massacred the advisors.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST


    by RaveX

    that was cool...

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST


    by p5mmr9

    wiped out the entire quorum...

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Ho. Ly. Shit.

    by FastEddie8139

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST


    by Melvin_Pelvis

    it'd take zarek longer to go that far.<p> but the epsidoal clock is ticking..

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST


    by NudeandAroused

    Man am I on edge. "Shove it up your ass!"

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Holy shit

    by whofan71

    there goes the forum. Somwhere Bush is watching this and thinking, "now why didn't I think of that?"

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:22 p.m. CST


    by Melvin_Pelvis

    I think gatea is going to turn face again

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:22 p.m. CST

    The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us!

    by CatVutt

    Holy fuck, that kicked ass.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Holy frak! TZ just executed the Quorum!!!!

    by Dogmatic

    That can't be moral conundrum just went out the window.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:28 p.m. CST


    by Melvin_Pelvis

    Kara is scared of dying again

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:29 p.m. CST

    ah. "trying to escape"

    by RaveX

    frak you lee!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    That begs the question...

    by SifoDyasJr.

    what does happen if you're knocked out mid-stream?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Mr. Thrace

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    gets shot and I just don't care

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Down goes Fraizer!

    by whofan71

    I mean Sam.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:31 p.m. CST

    I hope Adama rips Gayta's peg leg off...

    by whofan71

    and shoves it up his ass.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    TZ is going to pull a hidden gun and gut shoot FG when it all goes south<p> Or vice'ah versa

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:39 p.m. CST

    this keep getting better and better

    by RaveX

    tigh not dead. lamkin badass. adama close to ripping gayta's throat off.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    baltar and sixes:

    by RaveX

    gotta bang 'em all!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Last chance to place your bets.

    by CatVutt

    Who gets to put a bullet through that little twink Gaeta's head?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Oh, its on now!!!

    by memento108

    Holy shit! I wanna see Adama put a bullet in TZ and Gaeta's heads.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Kick some ass, Roslynn!

    by whofan71

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Damn fine

    by NudeandAroused

    Loved Roslin's throwdown.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:47 p.m. CST

    my bet

    by jccalhoun

    My bet is that Cavel and the other cylons are going to jump in and we are going to get a great big "to be continued"<br><br>I think it would be bad ass though if they really embraced tragedy and killed off most of the main characters with 7 or so episodes left.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Hubba Hubba

    by Gawdfather

    That was one especially delectable Six. Baltar is one lucky SOB.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:48 p.m. CST


    by RaveX

    money is on my man tigh

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:57 p.m. CST


    by memento108

    Now THAT'S an ending!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:57 p.m. CST

    :( Gaeta....gosh I never saw someone who deserved

    by Dogmatic

    it so much deserve it so little...

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:58 p.m. CST

    "It stopped."

    by Whatcokes982

    Greatest last words ever.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:58 p.m. CST

    classic episode....

    by Lt. Kaffee

    this and the rescue on new caprica are solid evidence that galactica has the goods

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Great ending...

    by whofan71

    but what was the significance of the last scene with Galen? Was that a hull breach he was looking at?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Amazing ending...

    by Human Worm Baby

    Damn Gaeta made me forgive him in the end after being such a little toad. Good job!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST

    It stopped...

    by Capnbludd

    heh that was good

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Is Baltar losing weight irl?

    by p5mmr9

    what gives?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Soooo two eps

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    dedicated to kicking an ant hill over and watching how it sorts out

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST

    What did Chief see on the ship?

    by memento108

    Were those scratch marks??

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10 p.m. CST

    *The Final Cylon Returns*

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    I bet she's really jonesin for a drink

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:01 p.m. CST


    by bluebottle

    i took that to mean there was a hull breach and he was still breathing fine...

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:01 p.m. CST


    by CatVutt

    BSG is fucking BRINGING it. I've been hot and cold on this series, but the past two have kicked all kinds of ass. 'It stopped'. Awesome.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:01 p.m. CST


    by CatVutt

    BSG is fucking BRINGING it. I've been hot and cold on this series, but the past two have kicked all kinds of ass. 'It stopped'. Awesome.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Twice because, you know...

    by CatVutt

    Two episodes.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Yeah, WAS that a hull breach??

    by Dogmatic

    and from what??

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:03 p.m. CST

    THAT was...

    by BicNowler

    ...the best BSG episode thus far. Well done.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:03 p.m. CST

    re: What did Chief see on the ship?

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    the big one looked like it had been welded.<p> Could be misdirection, like it made him think of Cali and when they were stuck in that airlock that was decompressing<p> Or it could indicitate stress dammage to the Galatica that can not be repaired outside a space dock, and they are jump / time limited

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:04 p.m. CST

    I think Bluebottle is right...

    by whofan71

    it looked like a hull breach, and chief is still breathing. Plot point to be developed soon.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Yet another episode that shows...

    by The Giant Skunk

    It just doesn't pay to fuck with Adama.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:04 p.m. CST

    re Were those scratch marks??

    by Capnbludd

    I'm thinking stress fractures or metal fatigue of some kind? maybe stopping the drive that way had some adverse effects.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:04 p.m. CST

    'it stopped'

    by robamenta

    wow that was a great ending

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:04 p.m. CST

    The FTL room

    by Alientoast

    I don't think it was a breech in the hull, but it was a definite sign that Galactica has some serious issues. Don't forget it's been in alot of heavy combat situations for over 4 years w/o a dry dock.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:05 p.m. CST

    I feel really stupid asking this

    by memento108

    When he said "It stopped" what exactly was he referring to?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Regarding his leg, I mean

    by memento108

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:05 p.m. CST

    This episode for the win.

    by whofan71

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST

    i agree w/ the galactica has problems theory

    by Lt. Kaffee

    now that they've put down the mutiny its the only thing left to turn up the tension in the remaining episodes. galactica is on its way out.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST

    this was excellent

    by RaveX

    totally worth of staying up till 5 am and doing some major vudu mumbo jumbo to stream it live... <p> next week seems very cool as well, with ellen and all...

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST

    The hull breach...

    by Bill Clay

    When the Chief looked so shocked at the hull breach I thought it meant that the FTL jump would have ripped Galactica apart. Now the obvious question is... was it intentional sabotage?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST

    It stopped itching

    by SWEEP

    his leg

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST

    "It Stopped." meant the pain in his leg.

    by Boomers_Lips

    next week: Sheeeeee's Baaack!!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Right, that's what I thought

    by memento108

    Everyone commenting on it made me paranoid that I was missing something deeper than

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Man this this and last week are among the best ever

    by bullet3

    Notice how whenever the show ignores all its prophecy/resurrections/final five storylines it gets really interesting and exciting? I'm a bit worried next week is gonna be a letdown. If they somehow manage to keep this kind of quality going for 6 more episodes this will be one hell of an ending to the show.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Hull breach!?

    by D_T

    That looked like a "tear" like an organic injury. Are they hinting Galatica is based on Cylon tech? Posting from an iPhone is semi painful :)

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST

    the ftl stress damage

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    I don't think that room the chief was in is near the hull.<p> It just feels like he was in the Galiticas core

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Not a hull breach, something worse?

    by SWEEP

    I think if they would have jumped they may have blown apart. They may have to limp wherever they go the Galactica is dying.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:09 p.m. CST

    About fracking time

    by superfleish76

    Zarek has deserved that bullet since they introduced him. Kinda' wish Apollo had pulled the trigger...woulda' been poetic.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:09 p.m. CST

    re; It stopped itching

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    or hurting

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:09 p.m. CST

    it's a hull breach OR

    by Lt. Kaffee

    it's scratches from the updated version of the reptilian cylon creators... haha jk

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:10 p.m. CST

    I'd be more impressed

    by Mostholy

    if every reversal didn't involve overpowering two terrible guards. Or if the background characters didn't reset their allegiances every twenty minutes. The first half of this two-parter was pretty solid. This one? Not so much.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:10 p.m. CST

    My cable went out

    by buffywrestling

    It's dark and miserable...just like me.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:10 p.m. CST

    when Adama says there'll be no amnesty & forgiveness....

    by Boomers_Lips

    he fucking means it!!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:11 p.m. CST

    If anyone can keep this up till the end . . .

    by WickedJacob

    its RDM. DS9's massive 10-part series finale (and I'm not exagerating, it really is one continuous storyline for the last ten) gives me great faith and great expectations.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:11 p.m. CST


    by bluebalrog

    now that's why i fell in love with this show...roslin's warrior bitch queen voice rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! please don't slow the pace now writers - PLEASE!!!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST


    by Melvin_Pelvis

    exactly<p> The FTL chamber is breaching and can't be repaired outside a space dock if at all.<p> Ships may be assembled around their FTL drive chambers that have to be mfg'ed under very specific conditions.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:13 p.m. CST

    it's not a hull breech

    by HCFLink

    the ship is ripping itself apart. they showed some scene on the scifi website with adama brushing his teeth and saw the same rip marks above the door in his room. i foresee a sad end to the galactica.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:13 p.m. CST

    So, other than "Caprica"...

    by whofan71

    ..isn't there supposed to be another BSG movie with this cast coming out?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Those are hull breaches

    by InActionMan

    Adama saw the same thing in his quarters in a previous episode. The BSG has taken such a pounding that it is literally falling apart. One more battle and the old girl is done for. <P> Based upon the advertising all BSG fans are fat and impotent. <P> Adama should have put all the mutineers on their own ship and left them behind. <P> Did Kara ever get Sam to Cottle. <P> Now that Six is among the Baltarites with Hera. Will the Baltarites refuse to give Hera back to Athena?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:16 p.m. CST


    by bluebalrog

    it's called the plan, and i think it's scheduled tocome out later on in august? could be wrong about the schedule, but it's definitely called The Plan.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Cialis lowers your blood pressure & gives you chest pains!

    by Boomers_Lips


  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Thanks, bluebalrog.

    by whofan71

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:19 p.m. CST

    re. scratch marks...

    by bluebalrog

    there's a drone alien running around adama's quarters, and there's a queen roaming around down by the FTL cafeteria...just my theory on them dar scratchies.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:19 p.m. CST

    time for a Frak Pack!

    by Boomers_Lips


  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST


    by AbsoluteTruth

    Ok so....Ive always loved this show, but I have harbored a secret hatred for President Rosling throughout the entire series. I disliked the acting and a lot of the character choices. But wow...all that seriously got turned around with that speech she gave at the end. Towards the end of it when six looked at her it gave me chills. If it wasnt for Lost this show would be the greatest on tv!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST


    by AbsoluteTruth


  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:25 p.m. CST

    "It stopped" means . . .

    by ZombieHunter

    <p>It was the thing that bugged him. Ate at him. Slowly turned him into the traitor. Made him bitter. Made him hate. </p> <p>He was told over and over it would go away but he thought the doctor was an idiot. Thought everyone was an idiot. All the hardship he went through manifested itself through the pain in his leg.</p? <p>So he turns into a prick and over throws the ship. His leg still hurts. Over throwing the ship hasn't made anything better. And it hasn't made the pain go away.</p> <p> And just as he's about to be shot he thinks to himself that at least in death his leg will no longer bother him. That all the pain, both in his leg and in his heart and soul will no longer hurt him and he will die in peace. </P. <p> But just before he's shot, it stops hurting. The doctor was right. It did go away. Just as all his heart ache would have, if he would have just let heal. The thing that drove him to over throw the ship is gone. Had he just waited, he would never have started the coup.</p> <p> He dies knowing his efferts were wrong and a total waist.</p>

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    so marks the end of Richard Hatch's stint on BSG.

    by Boomers_Lips

    as Desmond Hume would say: "see you in another life brotha!"

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:30 p.m. CST

    it stopped, cont

    by ZombieHunter

    For some reason, it cut my post in half. Anyway, he overthrows the ship thinking that he's right. Right about the pain in his leg. Right in his convictions. But it doesn't help. It doesn't make anything better, and it doesn't make the pain in his leg go away. He thinks at his execution that at least in death his leg will no longer bother him, and that he will no longer feel it's pain. Or the pain in his heart and soul. But just before he's shot, the pan stops. The thing that twisted him is gone. Just as the doctors said. Had he gave it time, it would have healed, just like his heart would have. Before being shot he realizes he was wrong. His efforts were wrong and a waste and he could have gone on with a happy life.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:30 p.m. CST

    btw, Cottle's a piece of shit doc!

    by Boomers_Lips

    that leg looked seriously infected.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Mo Ryan's review of 'Blood on the Scales'

    by Bill Clay <p> A good read! Her column is worth bookmarking.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:35 p.m. CST


    by gandalftheblack

    That was so off the hook. By for this season is fucking bringing it!!!! They need to keep this pace going all the way to the last episode. I thought last weeks was the best in a while, this just blew it out the water!!!!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Thanks, ZombieHunter

    by memento108

    That makes it a lot clearer. It's ashame things turned out the way they did. I keep thinking back to the episode when he was in the hospital and he was singing. Poor guy...

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Ellen's gonna be pretty pissed.

    by Boomers_Lips

    that her man knocked up Caprica-Six.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST

    re: Ellen's gonna be pretty pissed

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    I'd be more worried about how fucking horney she's gonna be

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST

    That's the tragedy . . .

    by ZombieHunter

    That's where his pain begins and he starts to turn. But the truth is, he's really not a bad guy. We know he's not a bad guy because we've seen him for years. He's just in pain and he thinks no one understands. Just before he's shot we see again he's a good guy, but at least the death will have some relief. But just before they shoot him the evil leaves him, and what could have been a good man dies.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST

    I'd forgotten about DS9's final arc

    by smackfu

    And yes, it was fucking epic. One thing that plagues good story telling across all formats, is the frequent in-ability to give a fittingly epic end to an epic story. Moore seems to be one of the rare storytellers that can consistently deliver an ending that not only matches the expectations of the build-up, but even exceed it. Really looking forward to this one.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST

    I thought the main resurrection hub was destroyed...

    by memento108

    What am I missing?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:44 p.m. CST

    That was a powerful ending.

    by nopix

    What a knockout. I didn't envision Gaeta or Zarek being executed, even though I should have. I love how Baltar is the one guy who truly understands. They always had that love of science. What a great final season so far.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Poor Mr. Gaeta...

    by Drath

    He really got one of the shittiest deals in the whole series. I think maybe Billy is the only one who had it worse because he didn't even get a good final arch. The bitch he was dating dumped him for Apollo, he dies saving the worthless tramp, who later kills herself because she's not Starbuck, and then he gets stuck playing the limp-dick techie nerd on Knightrider. At least Gaeta got to do shit before they shot him. Suprised to see the end of Richard Hatch though. Will they EVER explain Phantom Six or the fact that the one she was based on is now in the brig and (impossibly) pregnant with another Cylon's baby? While they're not forgetting stuff like Heroes, they sure do make us wait too long for the pay offs.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:48 p.m. CST


    by RaveX

    final5 are most probably regenerating on some other hub, but all and if they aren't... ellen died more then a year before the main hub was destroyed.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 10:54 p.m. CST


    by mefrog

    God damn. Brilliant. Stunning. Amazing. RDM, you are a god.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:02 p.m. CST

    what chief saw

    by wixmmm

    what chief saw is a crack that leads into a room where the final five resurrection shit is--that's why galactica survived and the final five found their way on it--galactica is the resurrection ship for the final five. I don't predict shit often, but i'm going out on a limb here.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:07 p.m. CST

    'The Daily Show's' John Hodgeman is in next weeks episode!!

    by Boomers_Lips

    he plays Dr. Gerard.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:07 p.m. CST

    I love that these characters are genuine..even Zarek

    by Dogmatic

    It is hard to like Zarek especially after wasting the Quorum and trying to settle old debts like wasting Adama real quick-like. <P> Even so he was likable at times and is not a "evil" man but just one with personal demons to quell like all on this show. When he looked over at Gaeta before they are killed I thought he might give him a scowl or look of disdain or something...but no he smiled a knowing they gave it shot...they lost...time to own up...and die like gentlemen. THAT'S BSG. Love the way these characters are written. <P> And yeah when Adama kicks ass it stays kicked.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:07 p.m. CST

    I'm watching the re-cast of this one! Let's give it another go!

    by Dogmatic

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:09 p.m. CST


    by AbsoluteTruth

    wow awesome theory i love it and img onna have to agree with you.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Tyrol's got his job back, no doubt

    by frakthetoasters

    For aiding the President to get away and stopping the FTL drive, Tyrol gets re-promoted.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Zarek's points always made a lot of sense to me

    by WickedJacob

    Now I'm a little worried about that.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST

    I can't believe Zarek.....

    by frakthetoasters

    .....ordered the Quorum be executed and then put the reason on Gaeta's shoulders? Zarek was a snake.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:11 p.m. CST

    I like how All the Adama Supporters....

    by frakthetoasters

    ...appeared out of nowhere. Thank God they evaded Gaeta's death teams.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:12 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I think you may be right. Or it's some kind of leak that will eventually kill him.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Ellen's resurrection could be jumping to the past a bit.

    by Dogmatic

    Like that one episode in season 2 that backtracked in time and showed Sharon(Boomer) resurrecting and getting hero treatment yadda yedda. So, they could do that with Ellen...she gets resurrected as soon as Saul kills her but with all her memories back. <P> This was before the resurrection ship was destroyed so that would explain things. <P> She is the first final five one to die and when they die they must get all their memory back. The others havent died yet to experience that puts her "in the know". I dunno what ship she resurrected on though and where she has been...but hey that's for the show to tell us!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Did the Population Total change from last week to this?

    by frakthetoasters

    I wonder if it did. Will we learn how many people were lost in the Civil War? I bet it will be too many for the ship and with the reintegration of pro-and anti-Adama it will be tough sailing for a long time.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST

    chief in general

    by wixmmm

    I gotta say--chief has been AWESOME in the last two episodes... i like his character SO much more than i had before these. I mean, this crisis hits,and he takes it in stride, first by getting a line of communication going for the loyalistS, then he's crawling through the ship for all this time, and i'm thinking 'what is he doing?' I mean, he wasn't armed, so i knew he wasn't gonna go to the CIC and kill the revolt, but then we learn--he had the foresight to shut down the jump drives... they set that plot point up brilliantly in this episode.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:15 p.m. CST

    great ep

    by suicideblondjay

    man, no other series can manipulate my emotions more than this one,i felt such sympathy for Gaeta and even a little bit for Zarek. mary McDonnell better get an emmy this year. the baltar/six stuff was weird, is she connected to head six? what the frak happened to Anders? can he survive a bullet to the back of the head? i felt such a sense of dread when the chief discovered that crack inside the FTL room, i always had a feeling the Galactica would not make it to the end of the journey. this couple of episodes were so intense i was almost underwhelmed that ellen is coming back next week. i wish they would stick to the realism of these episodes and stay away from the mystical stuff but alas we may finally get the whole picture now with the return of the fifth... gaeta you are a nice guy but Adama and you are fraking done professionally!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:19 p.m. CST

    So how did Roslyn get back on the airwaves?

    by WickedJacob

    Are we supposed to recognize that little black box with the red lights, or is it just machina ex deus?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Honestly though...was ANYone sad to see the Quorum go?

    by Dogmatic

    I mean they were innocent human beings and all but frak were they fraking annoying. Kinda like a mercy kill from a viewer's perspective you ask me.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Mo Ryan reveals what was cut from tonights episode!

    by Boomers_Lips

    she, from the Chicago Tribune interviewed the writer for this episode and be revealed that ALOT of material had to be cut to fit the 44min mark. Cut Scenes include: the reason why Baltar dreams of Adamas execution, alot of Baseship scenes, an extended Zarek/Quorum scene, Racetrack's story, etc.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:31 p.m. CST

    And, on the plus side, Roslyn and Adama....

    by chromedome

    ...won't hafta deal with that pesky quorum no more. If the Press corp only coulda been in that room, too.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST

    f you thought the Press were annoying before..

    by Boomers_Lips

    they're gonna go wild apeshit over this!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST


    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    That's a really interesting idea about the res hub being hidden in the BSG. So, just for grins, how would you explain how it got there and remained hidden for so long?

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:41 p.m. CST

    The tears in the ship

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    I tend to think that the tears are stress fractures from everything that the ship has been through. Not only sensible, but also a great metaphor. Taking it further, what if the tears are a microcosm of the tears in space-time created by the cosmic loop of the overall struggle? "...happened before... will happen again." Perhaps the sad fate of the Battlestar Galactica is to finally disappear up its own singularity. :-P

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:41 p.m. CST

    WHY did Baltar dream of Adama's execution??

    by Dogmatic

    He woke up seeming like his dream was actually fact.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:42 p.m. CST

    I bet The FLT damage was done by the cylons

    by GornPirate

    Remember the whole crisis was driven over Adama ordering the Cylons to be allowed to work on all of the ships in the fleet engines. I bet the Cylons sabotaged the Galactica. In other words it's going to be shown that Gaeta and Zarek were right not to trust to them but they still handled it the wrong way.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:44 p.m. CST

    someONE please tell me who was flying the Raptor at the beginnin

    by Dogmatic

    I thought it was Athena but she is on Galactica taking care of Helo and rescuing who was that flying the Raptor to the baseship???

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:46 p.m. CST

    so who's the Vice-President now?

    by Boomers_Lips

    Lee? and it's gonna be a pain in the ass for Laura to fill those empty Quorum seats!

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:46 p.m. CST


    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    GREAT question!!! Somebody clue us in on that one. Thanks, D, I hadn't noticed that til you brought it up just now. Tough keepin' all the Eights straight...

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST

    DogMatic, re: Baltar's dream

    by Boomers_Lips

    the writer fir this episode revealed that some Baltar scenes were cut for time. One of those scenes explained the dream. the reason why dreamt that is cuz Baltar had very deep underlying guilt over running away from the cult, from danger, and for running when he should be a man & stay fighting. So when that new Six offers to make him feel better, it plays into his screwed up psyche and causes the nightmare.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:56 p.m. CST


    by Zedul

    That was one of the 8's - Remember, Athena is an 8.

  • Feb. 6, 2009, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Final Five ressurection.

    by Boomers_Lips

    I guess were finally going to see if anything exciting happens when a Final Fiver dies & ressurects.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:01 a.m. CST

    don't feel too bad for Richard Hatch.

    by Boomers_Lips

    in 25 years he'll be part of the next BSG remake.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Zedul...but how did she get a colonial flightsuit and

    by Dogmatic

    a Raptor and get on the ship in all that ruckus?? And other she knew well about the colonial fleet tactics and also she looked very emotional and releived to know that Adama was still alive. It can't be Boomer...she ended up siding with Cavill's bunch and is still with them far as I know.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    I think some are reading too much into this "hull breach."

    by flickchick85

    I agree with those who've said it's just the show's way of telling us that the Battlestar Galactica's days protecting the fleet will soon come to an end. She was never gonna be around forever, and the old girl's literally falling apart. Hell, the ship may as well be the "dying leader," for all that she's carried the survivors of humanity through.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    re: FTL room crack. there's a similar crack in Adama's room.

    by Boomers_Lips

    they showed it as a clue on the YouWillKnowTheTruth website. Hmmm.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Tell Him I'm FUCKING COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by picardsucks

    Murdoch,... I'm comin to get YOU!!!!!! Sir,... Our shields are dropping!! Raise them!!!! I can't!!!!! Were's the overdrive!! The Overdrive!!!!! Fucking awesome tonight!!!! Just fucking amazing!!!! How is it this guy was the writer on the shitbox that was Next Generation and the guy who killed Kirk by dropping him of a rusty 24th century iron ramp???? JUST FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    final five resurrection hub inside galactica

    by wixmmm

    To be honest, i think the final five resurrection hub is in galactica and the tear in the wall leads to it. So to respond to your question--how i think it got there--i'm honestly am n ot sure... i think i may be right about this, but i'll leave the rest to Moore. If my prediction is true, i think it would kick ass, and i would be happy enough to have called such a big plot twist... but to accurately predict the twist of a twist is just not possible when its Moore calling the shots.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Chief is Scotty in the crawlways

    by picardsucks

    He should speak with a heavy Scottish accent!!!

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:11 a.m. CST

    There are lots of pilot 8's running around....

    by flickchick85

    at least, there were in the episode when they took out the Hub. I think they had practically been integrated into the fleet at this point. I don't really know - she didn't seem all that emotional to me, besides wanting to survive - but I assumed she was just another 8.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:14 a.m. CST

    the 8's are allowed to go wherever they want on Galactica.

    by Boomers_Lips

    at least in the Face of the Enemy webisodes they were.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:14 a.m. CST

    hire that director!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by soloaj

    Dude did a fine job with the $1.38 SciFi spends on there show. With little budget they brought in a show with some nice FX = Viper versus Raptor chase at the beginning, kept the action scenes coherent/exciting, & nailed the ending to an exciting two-parter. Nice job to the director, writers, crew, and actors! SO SAY WE ALL! Sad that I have to wait another week for the next one - not sure how they going to bring HER back but guess I will have to wait & see ;).

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Katee Sackhoff 'Starbuck' joins the show, NIP/TUCK, next week!

    by Boomers_Lips

    she plays the fun, free spirited, Dr. Teddy Rowe.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Will her nickname be...

    by Stunt Vocalist 709


  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Will we get to...

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    see her nips?

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Will she perform a...

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    Thrace lift? "I can do this all day!!!" (but stopping now)

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:43 a.m. CST

    We're gonna need some more Quorum guys I guess

    by Anakin Whoopass

    Did Gaeta and Zarek get a trial off screen? When do they find out that Zarek used to be Apollo?

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:45 a.m. CST

    And Jamie Bamber moves back to England

    by Barrymore Yorke

    for Law & Order: UK, where he gets to star with the ultra-foxy Frema Agyeman from Doctor Who. Oh yeah!

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:52 a.m. CST

    New Six Cavel and Stress Fractures

    by apersonofinterest

    What was up with the new different looking six? Are they changing to take on more personal identity? Becoming more human and not part of the collective? Is that why Baltar tripped when he looked at her or do you think the reason ended up on the cutting room floor? Maybe she was in the Adama firing squad dream, which was a total bullshit move on RDM's part. You know the only reason that scene was in the show was so they could use it to fuck with us in the previews and show it to us before cutting to the commercials. Nut Gaeta doesn't have the balls to face Adama on the firing squad. He phoned it in. Fucking Pussy. Adama pwned him from the start. I'm guessing that Cavil and the rest of the fleet are coming because if Ellen Tigh is back, you know she's fucking Cavil, which means Cavil is about to show up and the stress fractures mean no cylon jump technology can be installed and the Galactica will not be able to run when Cavil shows up. They'll probably fake us out again and make it look like Cavil is bringing the big guns and right when it seems like the Galactica is about to get smoked by 10 Million Nukes heading right for it, they'll cut to another Baltar dream and show the Galactica exploding and vaporizing the rest of the fleet before cutting to 10 minutes of commercials and when they come back, the Galactica will be fine. After watching the past few episodes I thought Moore was going to go out with a bang..Kill Adama or Blow up the Galactica but I think every thing is going to be great in the end. The humans and cylons are going to find the 13th Tribe and a new home and all live happily ever after. So don't let him fool you in to thinking otherwise with any more of his tricky coming preview editing and Baltar Dreams.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:53 a.m. CST


    by alice 13

    these humans are dumb to the nth degree. first lets fire rounds of amo off all over the spaceship. :X and why dont they make up their minds whos side they wanna be on. one minute theyre ready to execute adama, and the next theyre marching behind him. roslynn, why the fuck are you coming for these idiots. the cylons arent even after them and they start killing themselves and each other off. lol. i cant believe ADAMA DIDNT FORGIVE PEG-LEG!!. he forgave the cylons for much worse. consequences shmonsequences.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Oh Ya!

    by apersonofinterest

    The past two episodes have been some of the best television I have ever seen! Starbuck has really been turning me on. Capping the traitors. "I can do this all day". and slamming the guy taking a piss's head into the wall so hard, blood sprayed out of his face. I Love This Show.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 1:19 a.m. CST

    flickchick85 just blew my mind

    by fastfoot

    It may be totally off, but I think you're "galactica's the dying leader" theory could just be on to something.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Tyrol Found the Hull Breach (or Whatever It Is)...

    by NoHubris

    ...AND the Temple of Jupiter.<p>That is probably notable IMHO.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 1:45 a.m. CST

    The Human Civil War on BSG...

    by NoHubris

    ...was worse than the Cylon civil war. Gaeta and Zarek went way over the edge.<p>Who would've thought that the machines would be more "civil."

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 1:59 a.m. CST

    so that's how Anders will get that scar!

    by Boomers_Lips

    well played BSG.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:11 a.m. CST

    The Cylons' Plan back on track...

    by BurnHollywood

    With the uprising put down and its leaders executed, it's now clear to any dissenting humans that questioning the Adama/Roslin "cooperation" with the Cylons is an unbearably risky proposition. What's more, the Final Four each played a "heroic" part in the crisis's resolution (even Tory allowed Roslin to call the shots aboard the battlestar, when she was arguably the ranking Cylon in charge), cementing their influence with Colonial leadership. FTL with Cylon operators will now be mandated, and that end of their trap is complete.<p> Ellen Tigh's back next week, which means that the rebel Cylons were either incorrect (or fraudulent) about how essential the Resurrection Hub was, or that she was pulled back by Cavil before its destruction. In either case, she isn't likely to be a friend to humanity: the teaser made it clear she's fully recovered her memories of Earth and the Cylon holocaust.<p> We're now officially in "endgame".

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:21 a.m. CST

    the Canadian promo for next Fridays episode is more spoilery!

    by Boomers_Lips

    Just search for it on YouTube. In the promo a very excited Anders tells Starbuck that something wonderful has happened. He remembers EVERYTHING about Earth and more importantly why the Final 5 have been activated!

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:34 a.m. CST

    BSG sucks Viper cock

    by dioxholster

    see i know stuff now...oh starbucks is ugly bitch.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Insult Katee again...

    by LordEnigma

    and there will be a reckoning. Douche.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 3:21 a.m. CST

    BSG is too depressing

    by dioxholster

    why watch such pile of shit, showing mankind as an abused molested crackwhore?

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 3:52 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    How many times does it take for you to stop using the computer to say stupid crap on the Internets? How many more weeks of dishes do you feel like doing, cause when dad sees this(and he will), you're toast. Someone's cellphone plan is getting airlocked and it's not your sister's.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 3:54 a.m. CST

    gotilk = troll

    by dioxholster

    stop trolling around

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 4:32 a.m. CST

    "It stopped."

    by Rhuragh

    Wow. That was absolutely incredible. As I mentioned last week, and WickedJacob too this week, Moore's DS9 shows us that these final episodes are only going to get better and better. BSG truly is the best show on TV. <BR><BR>As far as Tyrol and the cracks, I subscribe to the theory that they're just stress fractures on the Galactica. The ship has been through a hell of a lot, and the stress is tearing her apart. As far as the story is concerned, I suspect they'll probably say that it's stresses from the hyperdrive, rather than battle damage (which would manifest itself on the outer hull, and major structural lines in the ship). They'll probably do this to heighten the tension in the remaining episodes that they HAVE to find a new planet SOON, or they'll either have to abandon the Galactica, or risk having it tear apart on a jump.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 4:43 a.m. CST

    BSG = Ball Sucking Galaxy

    by dioxholster

    it sucks beyond relief, hope these stupid humans exterminate themselves in this shitty civil war. and hope the cylons turn themselves into scrap metal; not worth living in ball sucking galaxy

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 4:56 a.m. CST


    by Rhuragh

    English isn't your first language, is it?

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Katee Sackhoff replaced by Rose McGowan!

    by Boomers_Lips

    on Nip/Tuck, when the show comes back in 2010, the Teddy Rowe character that Katee played will be taken over by Rose McGowan. Apparently Katee was no longer avaliable when production began for season 6.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 6:43 a.m. CST

    the hot new Six's name is Lida.

    by Boomers_Lips

    according to the credits.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 6:45 a.m. CST

    I can't see how...

    by Uroboros

    ...the Final 5 resurrection ship is the Galactica. The Final 5 are far older than the Galactica and it appears they age and probably have died more than once since coming to be. Their resurrection ship has to have been around since day one (a long time ago) else they would have never been reborn

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 6:52 a.m. CST


    by NudeandAroused

    Just for the record, when Roslin saw Adama for the first after retaking the ship, it was quite touching. Excellent acting there. Great episodes.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Lt. Gaeta and Balter have a secret...

    by Leafar the Lost

    Gaeta asked Balter something like, "Will they remembr who I am?" or, "Who I really was?" What the frak was he talking about?

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Is DickHolster your name

    by apersonofinterest

    Or the name you gave that trash talkin' mouth of yours?

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:05 a.m. CST

    GornPirate has it right

    by ZaphodBB

    I also believe that the Galactic (which had it's FTL Jump Drive upgraded using Cylon technology) is suffering from stress damage. Obviously, the ship isn't compatible (engineering wise) with the more-powerful technology. Whether it's due to sabotage or just plain simple oversight is unclear but I do believe that Adama rushed into the upgrade too quickly without proper research. Gaeta is vindicated ... his concerns about Adama are quite justified.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Gaeta pain stopped

    by ZaphodBB

    Oh, and here's something else to chew on ... I think that Gaeta's pain stopped because his body knew it was at it's end and was preparing itself for download to the (yet undiscovered) backup resurrection hub. Who's to say that we've seen ALL the models so far?

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Maybe it was more obvious....

    by shellfishh

    to others. But am I right in assuming we saw an 'in head Baltar' talking to Gaeta on the firing squad?<br><br> Baltar seems to be the type to regret leaving the Galactica but not really go back.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Gaeta Baltar talk

    by Alientoast

    "Gaeta asked Balter something like, "Will they remembr who I am?" or, "Who I really was?" What the frak was he talking about?"...I think he just wanted people to know that what he did, he did because he honestly thought it was for the good of the fleet, and also that he wasn't just a one-dimensional figure that should be easily demonized. I think it was a pretty natural thing to want: He has this whole life of aspirations which he never follows through with, gets his moment in the sun, and is horrified to find that the sun was soaked in blood. But he did make peace with himself in the end.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:22 a.m. CST


    by Werthead

    40 people died last week. We'll find out how many died in this episde on next week's survivor count. "Gaeta asked Balter something like, "Will they remembr who I am?" or, "Who I really was?" What the frak was he talking about?" This ties in with the webisodes. Gaeta was sleeping with an Eight on New Caprica and tried to use her to help some people escape Cylon custody. Instead she had them killed. Baltar knows about this, which is why Gaeta tried to kill him with a pen and later lied on the stand.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:23 a.m. CST

    FTL Upgrade

    by Alientoast

    On a side note, I think they mentioned in a prior episode that Adama had -NOT- allowed them to make FTL upgrades to Galactica. That was one of the things Gaeta brought up that he thought was hypocritical: It was ok enough for Adama to order the fleet's engines upgraded, but at the sametime he was keeping Galactica's FTL off limits to them.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:24 a.m. CST

    On those stress fractures

    by Oberon

    At least one of the advance episode descriptions I've seen suggest (*SPOILER*) that in "No exit" one plot point is the need for Cylon technology to repair Galactica. <p> So the problem is fixable, but no one can doubt that Galactica has seen better days. There was a reason why the fleet was retiring the old girl, after all. Like the show, the ship is nearing its end, and hats off to RDM for his insistence on showing the gradual escalation of wear and tear on Galactica as the show has worn on (unlike STAR TREK: VOYAGER). <p> But I bet Adama is thinking they sacrificed the wrong battlestar at New Caprica (not that he planned it that way)...

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Galactica was about to be decomissioned...

    by tangcameo

    ...and turned into a museum when the show began. Of course after four years of FTLing through space, being hit by Cylon nukes, jumping through radioactive nebulas, you think there might be some major wear and tear on her. That's what Adama and Chief have seen on the walls of the Galactica. The ship is going to FTL itself apart eventually. And when it does the fleet will have to find a new home on the nearest planet - ours. Or this just might end in space as the ship rips itself apart with Cylons and humans either fighting each other or fighting more Cylons.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:28 a.m. CST

    But omg that "all a dream" bit was awful...

    by tangcameo was such a cop-out that I almost expected Baltar to hear the shower running, walk in and find Adama soaping up and then Baltar would tell him all about this horrible dream he had about his death.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    And seriously, has there ever been a better sci-fi series?

    by Oberon

    For that matter, have there been that many series of *any* kind as good as this? <p> FIREFLY had the potential - but was unforgivably killed before it could show all of it. BABYLON 5 was fantastic, but was it this consistently good? No Trek series every achieved this level of great drama on a consistent basis. (And let us not even speak of Stargate.) <p> It's not that BSG hasn't had "off" episodes, especially in Season 3 (which stemmed in part from Sci-Fi's insistence on a return to stand-alone episodes for a stretch). But even a subpar Galactica runs rings around most else of what is on offer. <p> Blood on the Scales must rank up with the best ones, however. Consider something Michale Angeli said yesterday in his interview with Mo Ryan, speaking of Richard Hatch: "He knew it was his last show and he struggled with the idea of being perceived as a villain – which he wasn’t, in my opinion." <p> To which I would say: If Zarek wasn't a villain - a man who could, without hesitation, kill Laird with a blow from behind, order the execution of the entire Quorum, and who was plainly willing to kill a lot more innocent people to secure power - I wonder if the title has any meaning. <p> But even villains can be empathized with - human villains. Because that's what humans are - some mixture of good and evil, bottles of virtues and vices. And whatever his original ideals and genuine grievances Zarek may have started out with many years ago, what he's gone through along the way has weighted his own scales of blood a long way toward the latter. Which (I would emphasize) is why the last, very human, moment between Zarek and Gaeta was all the more powerful and well written. <p> Even GALACTICA's villains get painted in three dimensions.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Babylon 5's first four seasons are a close second to...

    by Leafar the Lost

    ...BSG. That series had incredible episodes, stories, characters, and effects. The problem was the 5th season. Voyager was a less than average series. It was watchable (I mainly tuned in for Seven of Nine) but that isn't saying much. The absolutely bottom of sci/fi series hell is reserved for Galactia 1980 and Star Trek: Enterprise (I think that Rick Berman should burn in the lowest layer of Hell for destroying Star Trek...)

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Badass Chief

    by BizarroJerry

    I've always liked the Chief. Seeing him rip apart the FTL bare-handed, with bloody fingers. Awesome.<p>And has Starbuck gotten bustier lately?

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Will the new Quorum have a cylon representative?

    by Darth_Nader

    They are being cast as the lost tribe, and the quorum was made of of the tribes.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST


    by Alientoast

    I think at this stage in the game, the Quorum won't be seen as important. Especially if Cavil shows up.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Galactica>Small Wonder>Heroes

    by BrowncoatJedi

    Yep, that's how bad Heroes is in comparison to BSG.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    This show gives me a boner

    by Itchy

    And I mean that literally. Last night's ep was so awesome, when it was done I had to run upstairs and bang my wife goodnight. Just awesome. The only way it could have been more awesomer is if they had carved out the Romo Lamkin scene and replaced it with three minutes of Boomer and Racetrack sixty-nining. This is pretty much the greatest television series of all time. Imagine how awesome it would be if it were on HBO rather than Sci-Fi ? It'll make your brain orgasm.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST


    by D_T

    Hahaha, YES!

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Gaeta didn't try to kill batar or lie on the stand..

    by ulcer

    Gaeta didn't try to kill batar or lie on the stand because of that 'secret'. Gaeta only learned that the people were getting killed later. He just hated Baltar because he thought Baltar had been selling out.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 9:55 a.m. CST


    by ulcer

    which triggers all the self-hatred Gaeta feels, when he realizes that he hasn't been freeing more people or helping the resistance more than Baltar was. In fact, Baltar was doing more good - with a gun to his head.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST

    The fact that Saul and Ellen were never able to have a kid

    by Kentucky Colonel

    is starting to make sense. I'll bet Ellen will be pissed when she finds out about Saul & Six. Thoughts?

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Never thought

    by SmallTuna

    that I could say at the present time I love BSG a little bit more than Lost, and I'm a Lost über-fanatic.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST

    for all the episode's awesomeness...

    by bluebalrog

    after thinking about it logically beyond the afterglow, what was served, storywise, was eliminating the need to have a democratized 'discussion' of every big decision that roslin/adama are gonna have to make in the final push to endgame's 'safety's off' time now. i really dig that theory by wixmmm that there's a resurrection hub hidden on galactica...maybe it's somewhere around the erection hub that baltar's disciples hang out at when he's not around hyuck! hyuck!hyuck!

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Love the great fx on this show

    by quintana007

    They easily hold up against many many movies. Pure eyecandy

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 10:20 a.m. CST


    by mefrog


  • Feb. 7, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST


    by Le Vicious Fishus

    To me, all of BSG's plot lines take a back seat to the evolving, hopelessly doomed love story between Adama and Roslin. Every time those two are on screen together, I start fucking welling up like a ten year old girl. When the inevitable death of one of them occurs later on this season, it's going to be hell to watch.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Starbuck had implants done...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...when she did her guest spot on Nip/Tuck.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Beautiful bit at the end

    by Pompoulus

    Gaeta's pain stopped when he finally felt at peace with himself -- and then he got shot. Ain't that life though.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Ellen, Saul, and Six

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    Out on a limb theory: Perhaps Saul's hallucination of Six as being Ellen was a programming thing BY Ellen to get Saul to sire a child by Six. Hmmmm...

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Uroboros, ressurection hub on galactica

    by wixmmm

    I can't say how the final five ressurection hub would have been put in galactica, but i wouldn't be so quick to rule it out. The thing is, the cylon timeline has yet to be fully explained. This is even more true about the final five's timeline. We don't know what came first, what came last, what led to what and where they all originated from. So, it comes down to the fact that we just don't know enough about the timeline yet to use it to rule out all sorts of theories. Because of this, anything is still possible.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST

    The "all a dream" thing

    by Pompoulus

    I didn't mind it, because the little clue was that it was way too abrupt -- I saw it coming.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    good ep, but still waiting to know...

    by theneonsamurai

    1. what's up with starbuck's corpse, what is she? 2. wtf is baltar's six / caprica six's baltar? 3. did tigh tell anyone about remembering ellen? 4. for that matter what the hell happened on earth? 5. what ever happened to the cylon homeworld mentioned so long ago?

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    adama/roslin romance

    by wixmmm

    I love galactica and one of the major reasons why is that they don't feel the need to do an obligatory romance plotline. However, that's not to say they don't do romance. They show us just the right amount of scenes and sentiment that gives us a feel for who's together and why. Roslin/Adama's slowly building love story was masterful. We didn't see ANYTHING leading up to the lee/dee relationship, which was perfect, because we don't need or want to see them form a relationship. Starbuck/Anders romance was built up during action scenes (to a certain extent) and one sex scene on caprica. Lee/Starbuck is the closest thing to a romance story we see many phases of. Season 3 went overboard with showing us the lee/starbuck romance angle, which is a big reason season 3 is not as good as the others. I just love how battlestar doesn't do romance stories in the conventional sense, but it doesn't mean the show is devoid of love storylines. This is a big reason bsg stands apart from so many other shows.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST


    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    You are spot on about B5. You probably already know this, but for those who don't and might want to enjoy B5: The very last episode of the 5th season was actually made as the ending of the 4th season. (Just after that, they found out that a fifth season was green-lit.) So if you want the best of B5, you should watch seasons 1 - 4 and then skip all of season 5 except for its last episode, "Sleeping In Light." Watching that as the last episode right after seeing season 4 is the best Sci-fi you'll ever see. Wait a while and then watch season five if only because there are some very good episodes scattered amongst the rushed/mediocre ones.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST


    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    Still not convinced that the "Earth" that they found was our Earth.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST


    by wixmmm

    I think moore made it clear in an interview that it was earth. The question is whether or not the planet they found was the same planet that they showed in the final seconds of the season 3 finale--in that shot, you could clearly make out north america. I would be on board for them finding the real earth, because, as someone said above--i want a happy ending. There is so much hopelessness, despair, trajedy, sadness, death, violence, mistrust, backstabbing, heartache, and basically any negetive emotion. All of that makes the viewer want to see them overcome it by the end. Yes, it'd be ballsy to have pretty much everyone die with no reward, which would make this whole story about the end of the human race, which is an interesting concept, but damn, these characters need happiness, they sure as hell have earned it.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Somebody give Athena something to do.

    by I Hope You Die

    8'd just appear like plant pots in the background these days. Remember when Grace Park was part of the main cast?

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Moby Dick anyone?

    by aceattorney

    A lot of themes from Moby Dick in these last episodes. Very nicely done.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Gaeta always knew he was horsetrading lives on New Caprica

    by DougMcKenzie

    His eight made it quite clear to him that he was trading resistance members he had no attachment to in order to save people like Cally, Galen, Anders, and Tigh. The eight pointed out that he never followed up on the names he gave to see if they were released or not. He was in denial. Balter said he did what he did because he had a gun to his head, while nobody told Gaeta to play both sides.Ultimately, when he sees that some of the people he bargained to save end up being Cylons, or want to make a deal with the Cylons, he has a bail of hay land on him filled with guilt of those he had killed in order to save those very people. He also in the end likely felt very powerless, as everything he tried to get done, kept getting undone by others. His inferior situation lead him to try to take control and finally get done what he wants done.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST


    by wixmmm

    That's a great post about the psyche of gaeta... really nice interpetation of those decisions/actions that led gaeta to his treason and death. And i'll be the millionth person to say it--'it stopped' cut to black with gunfire. Its alot like what i said about chief--they showed the jack bauer in chief as he's crawling through the ship and i'm wondering what he's doing, and then it all comes together at the end, that was a great setup with a payoff. But they set up that last line from gaeta insanely well--he's been itching that leg countless times in the last few was such a subtle build up all for the sake of a single line at the end of an episode... its those little things that bsg does so, so well, and its those things that make the show so special and are what sets bsg apart from other shows. On a sidenote: i agree with a poster above-- lost has been FANTASTIC this season, but now they are answering sooo many questions that make it possible for us to see where the shows going, but it's got like a season and 4/5ths left to go... whereas bsg has only 6 episodes, and even though we haven't got many answers so far, these episodes have been kicking ass, especially the last two. Episode 11 was great, episode 12 was fairly mediocre, but man did these last couple episode kick my ass... if you'd have told me that i'd get no answers about anything from episodes 13-14 I would have been a little angry and extremely skeptical... but instead they have been two of the best episodes in the whole series. I'm really pumped, as i hoped i'd be, with the way this show is playing out. They suprised me twice in a single minute in this last episode-- suprise 1 was that it seemed like the quorum actually was going to side with adama and reject the coupe, which was out of character for them because they've been bitching moaning and judging since they were first formed, so them making the right decision was a suprise. Then he kills them off... i couldn't have imagined that coming... it was so brutal and i just loved it--like when starbuck showed no mercy and just shot those people in the hangar bay (i really wished she would have just shot them all, though...that would have been nuts)

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Speaking of shooting people...

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    I don't think I agree with Adama after he was freed. Here he has the worst of the worst traitors who were just about to execute him. And he hands them their guns back? (OK, he had at least one of them tied up. Still wrong.) Bullshit. He should have popped every one of them. The stakes were too high to just suddenly trust them. Even if I missed it, and he had them all tied up; that would take someone to guard them from being freed by others. Better to shoot them all and move on.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST


    by ElPaw

    3. did tigh tell anyone about remembering ellen?<p>There was a press conference in the 2nd epsode, where Lee accidentally leaked that they knew who the last cylon was and that "she" had died some time ago.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    When BSG is good it beats everything else on TV

    by InActionMan

    Sorry "Lost" lovers you know that it is true. Take your favorite "Lost" episode say "The Constant" for example. Now compare it to any of the BSG arcs which are really mini-movies: "33", "Exodus 1+2","Pegasus" and "Resurrection ship 1+2", "The Oath" and "Blood on the Scales". BSG wins hands down every time.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 1:50 p.m. CST

    If Wixmmm retarded idea is real

    by Crow3711

    Which it isnt, you all just think youre clever for thinking up something crazy that is retarded, I will call this entire series BS. That would be the absolute dumbest thing I've ever heard of. The Galactica is a secret resurrection hub and the magical cracks are appearing in the walls now to lead us into a secret chamber? You think William Adama doesn't account for every inch of his ship? "I'd be proud to have called such a twist" Ha, you sound like such a bitch. Like you are smart or something. I can't wait to come on here and laugh at you next week when it turns out the cracks are just...stress cracks. Because that actually makes sense.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 1:50 p.m. CST


    by theneonsamurai

    Went back and saw that part... thanks... hope they don't bail on the rest of the show also, whoever mentioned Athena needing something to do, I am kind of happy her and Helo are on the backburner.. they've basically completed their arc.. putting them through more shit would be over the top

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Great episode.

    by mrfan

    All winners this season. Sorry to see it ending.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:04 p.m. CST

    damn crow

    by wixmmm

    1st, if anyone was able to predict a major plot twist i'd be the first one to give props... people post TONS of predictions in every bsg thread... why are you attacking me? I even said i don't really ever make predictions and that i was going out on a limb. The only defense i put forth was that we don't know enough about the cylon timeline to rule out ANYTHING, not just my idea. Say you predicted how the whole religious angle plays out, or what boomerslips is obsessed with--the role of the imaginary baltar/six's... if someone predicts a Moore plot twist they should be proud, because i haven't seen anyone predict a major twist... that's what makes these threads fun... do you actually believe that i am so sure of my prediction that i will be disappointed if it doesn't happen next week? i won't... i predicted something, and went out on a limb... do you think everyone who makes a prediction or reads too much into something that they will feel stupid when it doesn't happen? Why single out me? anyone would be proud to call a twist... and, like i said, they should be, because Moore is so unpredictable--lost has given us stuff to make predictions about and i'm betting alot of people are going to be right, but at this moment in bsg, any prediction or twist is insanely hard to predict. Are you only attacking me because a handful of others agree? or that i've revisited the idea too much (even though in one of those i was answering a follow up question and in the other one i was pointing out how little we know about the cylon timeline.) The way i see it, you're the bitch--say next week my theory doesn't play out... you're going to laugh at me? why? the odds of my theory being true are rediculously small... you think i'll feel stupid for a prediction coming true? actually, i don't ever feel stupid on this place cause its just a god damn message board where everyone is anonymous... people post TONS of predictions... you think its because they're trying to be smart? no... we make predictions cause its fun. Bitch.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:09 p.m. CST

    also, crow

    by wixmmm

    also, no prediction is 'crazy' and to a certain extent we do predict and try to be clever while we do it... who are you? the guy who decides what predictions are too crazy or what predictions are possible? everyone has a right to throw out any prediction, and i think the crazier the better, because its fun to think like that. Howabout you throw out a prediction and the rest of us can pick it apart, judge you, and then laugh at you next week.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST


    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    Don't let crow get you down. Better to ignore haters like that. Some people don't know how to disagree without being disagreeable. Keep the thoughtful speculation coming. Sharing ideas and what-ifs keep these talkbacks from just being a boring yay/boo list.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    but i'll agree with you, crow

    by wixmmm

    i do want to say that i agree with you 110% about how much ass romo kicks. That guy's badass and i always felt the should have made him a more significant character... the guy is a fantastic actor and he comes across as a very edgy but intelligent guy and you never quite know what his thoughts are and who he really sides with... looking at him another way, it comes across that he doesn't side with anyone. Anyone who dislikes romo really needs to take another look at him... he is, without a doubt, the best minor/recurring character the series has ever had.... you see? we can be civil... all you got to do is find points you agree with and thus can elaborate on with someone else, or you point out what a poster has overlooked and you use facts. You don't need to attack someone because of their personality or how stupid you think their point is... if its so stupid then do what most people do--forget about it (unless it can be proven, without a shadow of a doubt, that someone is wrong, and that would be because they are overlooking facts) The exception to this rule is Boomers_Lips-- the guy comes back every week with the same question word for word... he deserves to be flamed. He reminds me of the idiots on the green bay packers blogs, who use the exact same point over and over (e.g. "with favre: 13-3 with rodgers: 6-10. i rest my case"--nevermind the fact that the defense sucked all season)

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST

    stunt vocalist 709

    by wixmmm

    thanks for that. I just revisited you previous post and i totally agree with you (i'm feeling agreeable today...probably just cause this is a great show that makes for great discussion) Anyways, I did want to see adama and starbuck just be brutal kill anyone who has pointed a gun at them, or tied them up. When he was screaming about 'a reckoning, there will be no amnesty' i got excited with that because i thought that meant anyone who opposed him would be swiftly killed. The show has always been dark, and its never been darker than it is now, and since they've gone this far, they should have gone darkest.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Galactica being the "dying leader"

    by flickchick85

    That wasn't really a theory - just more of an observation. I'd be VERY surprised if that ended up holding any weight, but hey, I'm glad I gave you some food for thought, fastfoot!

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST

    A Moderate Apology

    by Crow3711

    Okay, so I guess I was my earlier statement. I think I was knee-jerking to the fact that in some ways, because a few people were agreeing with you, you actually started to sound like you think you are definitely going to be right. I just wanted to emphasize that I think you are definitely going to be wrong, because that would negate almost everything about my view of the series. It would be insanely disappointing if you were right, I think, and then people start saying you're probably right...ehh. Whatever, I apologize for my brashness. I hate people who act like that on TBs (we're all, mostly, fans of the same thing, we should play nice) I guess I just felt the need to be snide for some reason. Either way, I'm glad at least one other person thinks Romo is a total badass. You clearly have some sense, haha. He did stab that dude like 5 times in the face last night. Pretty much sealed it for me. I'm all for sharing ideas, I just thought your one idea was ludicrous. Sorry

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST


    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    You're welcome. And you brought up the "No amnesty" quote, which drives the point home. Awesome. Did Adama really think that these guys (or the fleet, for that matter) needed another trial? Made no sense to me. At that moment they were at war. And would be at least until Galactica was re-taken. Taking prisoners,ESPECIALLY these worst-of-the-traitors was tactically stupid/wrong. And inconsistant with the Adama's no amnesty/reckoning line. Sliding on that undercuts his character's leadership and strength and integrity.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    And for my crazy theory...

    by Crow3711

    I sort of think that there is no way for them to tie up all the crazy shit that has happened on this show in any reasonable way with 5 episodes left. That's my personal crazy theory. Not to hate, or doubt, once again. I just can't really imagine how. You Galactica/Res. Hub theory sure would amke things easier, but then I fear they risk making the ending so unbearably silly it makes the whole show suck for me. I, personally, am just a little worried. Taking away Hera's cylon-ness by making Hot-Dog the father sooooo many years later was my first indication they don't have this planned out very well. No one can say that was dramatic, interesting, or a good choice in any way shape or form. It just makes a TON of interesting shit from previous seasons simply not matter any more. No intriguing answers....they simply don't matter anymore. Horrible writing. How can they possibly explain Starbuck disappearing for months, and finding her dead body on Earth in any interesting way? I'm not sure. Don't get me wrong, I sooo truly hope I'm wrong with my theory, but its what I think. And then you hear things like it wasn't decided Ellen was the final cylon til after she was dead on the show. That's just awful. I just hope the Lost guys have a more serious plan than the BSG people. I think BSG is the best show on tv episode to episode, they rock. But as a whole, I don't think any of it makes much sense anymore to be honest. I'll go allll the way back and just say, I want to know what the Cylons' frakking "big plan" was for everything. I know they are going back to this with the "The Plan" movie for the summer. But thats BS. You're still just making shit up. The writers didn't know what that plan was til like 4 months ago. I'm sorry, this is a bit of a rant now, but I just wanted to be a little realistic for a change. I love the show, and I don't want anyone to say otherwise, I'm just not convinced things are going to be wrapped up appropriately the way we want. So (exaggerated inhale) that's my crazy theory

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST


    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    Good of you to own up. And I totally agree with you about Romo, especially when he stabbed the guard with his pen. Bad. Ass. (Mightier than the sword, indeed.)

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST


    by wixmmm

    hera is athena/hilo's daughter--she is part cylon. By making chiefs son not part cylon actually works out well for your argument--with two human/cylon kids, all the buildup and importance of hera would have meant nothing. Now that hera is the only cylon/human, all that importance remains intact.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Sorry, mixed up the kids names

    by Crow3711

    But I think you know what I meant. They wanted to make it so Hera was the only part Cylon kid, and Tyrol's kid being his negated all the importance of Hera, so they found a quick fix for that, by creating a non-dramatic, non-interesting situation where suddenly Hot-Dog, a complete non-essential, is just magically made the kids dad. I'm just saying thats crappy writing, to have to do something like that. And it's evident of other crappy ways I think they are going to explai things. The BSG/Red Hub theory would count for me as a really stupid convenient way to have things "make sense". I'm afraid they'll wrap things up at the expense of it being consistent and meaningful. Sorry I messed up the kids names, but I just meant they wanted to have Hera's importance remain intact, so they wrote some ridiculous scene (literally one scene) where Tyrol isn't the dad. Silly.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST

    planned out

    by wixmmm

    we all know bsg didn't have a masterplan... i'm sure there are some big answers that they've known for a while, but whether they're making it up on the fly or planning everything out, the show has stayed enjoyable... yes, i'd have alot more faith they'd be able to answer everything in the relatively short amount of time left, because its almost over and we still can't really make any solid predictions yet. And to respond to your point about lost--they've always had a master plan, but the thing is, they're revealing very large answers with alot of time left... because of this, we're starting to see the answers and agree upon alot of the answers--in a sense, lost has become alot more predictable than bsg is now... either way you slice it, bsg and lost are unbelievably great shows and stand as what i believe is the pinnacle of tv right now.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST


    by wixmmm

    the last two episodes have proven one thing: bsg can make episodes (especially this late in the season) that, start to finish, are riveting WITHOUT giving us any answers. The show doesn't rely on this whole masterplan answers to questions kind of thing in order to put out great episodes. Might we be unsatisfied with the final resolution? quite possibly. but you can't take away the sheer entertainment value of the last two episodes, no matter how it all ends.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 3 p.m. CST

    crow, I keep saying it...

    by BurnHollywood

    ...But get ignored...c'est la vie: The Plan is still in effect. Cylons are not to be trusted.<p> Gaeta realized this in "The Face Of The Enemy", when an Eight casually murdered the entire raptor's crew, allegedly to save herself and Gaeta (bad entirely inhuman strategy), but there's also no telling if she was only saving herself or if her intentions were even more sinister (delivering him to Cavil, f'rinstance).<p> Getting the fans of the show to buy into the redemption of the rebel Cylons is part of the plot at this point...they're heading into a massive LOST/SOPRANOS-style twist, mark my words.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Holy crap this show is intense

    by DarthJedi

    Last two episodes arguably the best in the series. I don't think I've literally been on the edge of my seat so much since a few choice episodes of The Shield. I swear if this show doesn't get at least a nomination for best show and best leading actor and actress of '09 for Olmos and Macdonell, there is going to a nerd reckoning on the scale of the apocalypse.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST


    by zahadum2

    Strictly a good v. evil show with the good guys winning. Move along nothing new here. I don't buy the handful of "Knights of the Round Table" personnel and their King Adama defeating a trained marine garrison. It seems to me that the writers are unable to make the hard call. Only second tier actors/crew are hurt or killed, and like the Prez would retain any authority after this.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST

    holy shit... what an episode!!!

    by br1947

    so much for my Zarek is a cylon theory, but damn what an episode!

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST


    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    I like your thinking. And I'm hoping for such a twist. (Although with a happy ending for at least some.) Perhaps you are right AND the over-arcing Cylon plot has come into some flaws that would explain some of the sincere redemptive Cylons. While other seemingly redemptive Cylons are just 'sleepers.' Interesting...

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    You have to give BSG credit

    by InActionMan

    For actually getting the audience involved with characters before they kill them off. No Artz or Frogurt red shirts here.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    has anyone read the BSG Yearbook?

    by Boomers_Lips

    the one that was only given out to the cast & crew. well anyways u can just google it. I love Donnelly Rhodes' 'autograph'. he wrote: "For post-series depression, take 2 asprin and a shot of vodka & call me in the morning."

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 3:29 p.m. CST

    The worst possible ending...

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    was hinted at in the Caprica preview. This whole thing was an elaborate holographic simulation. That would suck beyond the imagination.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    actors we'll never hear from again.

    by Boomers_Lips

    the bit players like Kat, Racetrack, Seelix, Jean, Hoshi, Doral, Simon, Ellen, etc. the ones who will still find some success are : Katee Sackhoff, Jamie Bamber, Tahmoh Penikett, Bodie Olmos, James Callis, Grace Park, but the breakout star will be Tricia Helfer.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 4:13 p.m. CST

    by wixmmm

    i'd say katee sackoff will be the breakout star... but yeah, also Tricia Helfer. Both are valuable actresses--katee sackhoff is the strong female and tricia helfer has had to be several different characters with very different personalities, and she's delivered on all of those personalities, so yeah, actually a change my mind whilst typing this response-- tricia helfer will most likely have the most success... what she has going for her is that she can be this supermodel-beautiful bombshell, but change her hair and take off alot of makeup and she can be an average looking (by film and tv standards) everywoman character. and like i said, she's a versatile actress.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Adama / Roslin

    by rivvorz

    The Adama/Roslin romance is the one development that I really can't make my peace with. I always though that their platonic back and forth was much more interesting to watch than the 'easy way out' that comes with romance. I much preferred their earlier dynamic.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST


    by Rhuragh

    The producers have said before that the identities of the final five were decided during the course of the third season. So, they've been planning this for a while, but yes, it probably wasn't planned before they made the decision to do things like kill Ellen or have Tyrol and Cally spawn. I also have a feeling that the Hot-Dog fatherhood development was a response to fan comments that there are _two_ cylon-human half-breeds. <BR><BR>As far as your feeling that they won't be able to wrap up the series, I'll submit to you Moore's Deep Space Nine. The amount of narrative ground covered in the last seven episodes of DS9 is astounding in scope. BSG isn't going to be like Lost; our questions will be answered before the end of the series.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 4:32 p.m. CST


    by Boomers_Lips

    Mary McDonnel was on this seasons 'Grey's Anatomy' for a couple of episodes. Katee shouldve stuck with NIP/TUCK. it's a shame they replaced her with Rose McGowan. I will be very suprised if Tricia doesn't get more tv & movie offers. She could always go back to modeling & hosting gigs.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Adama eating pretty good

    by larrydart

    he looks like a tubby little Buddha these days.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 4:40 p.m. CST


    by wixmmm

    even though bsg was on the fly and lost was premeditated, I feel like lost will definately answer more of the questions that it has asked. I still have no fucking idea what those damn numbers mean, but they'll definitly aswer that... what i don't think they'll answer is how all the characters were connected before the flight (each of them seen passing through in flashbacks) I just don't see that. And, another thing i question about the showrunners saying that it is all planned out is the issue of the OTHER half of the survivors... i read that the creator wanted to do a WHOLE SEASON about their stories, but they have killed off all those people, which made their individual flashback episodes were for nothing when they could have been giving us stuff from, oh, i don't know, the MAIN characters we actually care about. I've said it before and i'll say it again: keep bringing ana lucia back with no reason why other than to find new ways to kill her over and over again, like kenny. Her character and the actress who portrayed her was so completely awful and its a big part of the reason why i loathed season 2. Props to the showrunners for the rebound, though. Ana lucia was a godawful 'tough girl' character... if you want a 'tough girl' character done right, see starbuck in bsg--that's how its done... she even trumps garner's character in alias as far as strong willed woman go... garner relied a bit on the sexy factor... sackhoff has, to my recollection, never used her sexuality to get a job done.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 5:07 p.m. CST

    by MikeTheSpike

    First off, while the buildup to the ending of DS9 was enjoyable, the wrapup to the Dominion War was horrendous. Odo and the Founder meld, and everything's cool? Let's hope Moore's upped his game since then. But back to the series at hand. I'm curious to know if Zarek and Gaeta had trials, or if they were summarily executed. I'd say it's a cop-out to omit the characters dealing with that (do we give them that benefit, or just take the easy way out?), but I have faith it'll be mentioned sometime in the future.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST


    by SmallTuna

    Off topic here, but thank you for bringing up the overconnected characters and iterations of the numbers in Lost. <p> Numbers in Alias were an inside joke for the writers. But in Lost they will have an overall significance. <p> My theory is we have to think way outside the box, I think none of this is really happening, maybe "à la" Identity or "it was all just a dream". It would suck, but come on. They can't logically explain those coincidences, even with the course-correcting theories.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 5:32 p.m. CST

    it's all a simulation on the holodeck!

    by Boomers_Lips

    Riker: "computer end program."

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Battlesnore Galactinap

    by wintocha67

    Maybe the deal with the Galactica is that it's resurrecting like that girl's ship when she went to Earth previously. Or it will resurrect, if in fact it's falling apart.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Adama eating pretty good

    by wintocha67

    He's like Bill Murray in City of Ember, he's got secret stash of canned pineapple, but everyone's too polite to notice.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 6:50 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    over Christian Bale? Don't you FUCKin understand how disTRACTing you are? FFFFFfffFfFUCK!!!!

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    "What don't you Fuckin' Cylons understand?! Your eyelights are fuckin' disTRACTing!!! Space amateurs."

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Edward James Olmos has gained a lot of weight.

    by Leafar the Lost

    I trust Ron Moore to give us a kick ass ending to BSG, but it will also pose so many questions that we will need to see Caprica for answers. If it were Rick Berman I would say fuck off, but since it was Moore's idea for a prequel series, then there has to be a good fucking reason for it to be on. After four seasons of the best Sci/Fi since Babylon 5, he could make a series about paint drying and I would tune in to see it. He remade a 70's sci/fi show that lasted for 1 season (Galactia 1980 really doesn't count) and remade it into the best show on TV. Period. Yes, Adama looked like he was wearing a girdle. Edward James Olmos has gained a lot of weight.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST

    "It stopped"

    by happybunni

    That made me laugh so hard.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    shouldn't they all be thin looking?

    by Boomers_Lips

    if all they have to eat is algea?

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Stunt Vocalist

    by BurnHollywood

    Something also worth noting: it's almost become cliche on this series for a character to have a major revelation, then spend the next episode "working through it" (drinking, sulking, acting out, etc). Strikingly, no such thing has happened with the Final Four discovering their roots on particular, Tigh hasn't displayed any guilt over the revelation regarding his dead wife.<p> My belief is that this is because their memories - and more importantly, their PURPOSE, as Cylons - has been fully resolved: they must carry through with The Plan, avenging a sneak attack by the Twelve Tribes against the Cylon Thirteenth 2,000 years before. Converting the human FTLs to Cylon will give them the ability to strand the fleet, leaving it at the mercy of Cavil's forces (the Cylon civil war is a facade to lull the Colonials into cooperation).<p> There IS a "happy" outcome in store, I believe, represented by Hera: if humans and Cylons are willing to breed themselves out of existence in favor of a hybrid race, it will finally end the cycle of violence between the two "races", which has gone on for countless millennia. This series shows only the latest two iterations.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:22 p.m. CST


    by Alientoast

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:24 p.m. CST

    DS9 Ending

    by Alientoast

    The war was lost for the Dominion...the only thing that was going to happen was Cardasia was going to be exterminated and the Federation/Klingons/Romulans would take massive casualties. The melding ended it extra fast because the Founders really only give a shit about their own kind. To have Odo willing return to the fold was worth it to them for the small price of ending the war.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    by lodoss24

    I would suggest a new self defense style for the highly trained Galatica marines. Does not seem much to "turn the tables" and kill one. Even the lawyer with no special ed training got involved and took one out.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Marines / Writing Suxor

    by lodoss24

    I would suggest a new self defense style for the highly trained Galatica marines. Does not seem much to "turn the tables" and kill one. Even the lawyer with no special ed training got involved and took one out.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    nicely played Mr Moore

    by Maniaq

    they don't hit it out the park very often on this show but this two-parter is proof of just how awesome BSG could have been if they were able to consistently deliver (like this) for four seasons! <p> I guess they did get dicked around by their network (thanx for that SciFi, you guys SUCK) and... well, they were kinda going for "Hill St Blues in space" (Ron Moore's words) but between this and the infamous "Atmo Jump" BSG have mos def brought us some of THE best slices of television history, at least in this here geek's humble opinion... <p> just to mention the actual episode for a moment, I did like the little nod to the original series with the "dissolution" of the Quorum - this evening the part of Baltar will be played by his good friend Gaeta and Zarek will be filling in for the Imperious Leader <p> nice one

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST


    by wixmmm

    That's a great prediction and honestly explains alot... i think that has a real chance of being true... ask me how i'd feel about it if that were the story? i'd be like, ok, that answers my question, but i feel like i'd be left wanting more. And since they've been playing this monothiestic/polythiestic angle, they'd better do something with it... i'm cautiously optimistic about the ending for this show.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 9:12 p.m. CST


    by NoHubris

    The Space channel (Canadian) preview for next week shows the Temple of Jupiter (temple for the five who serve the one) so you might get your wish about getting some resolution with respect to the "monotheistic/polythteistic angle."

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Here's the Space Channel Link

    by NoHubris<p>BTW it shows Ellen in a goo tub.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    More on the Space Channel Link

    by NoHubris

    It also shows Anders saying that he remembers his Cylon past.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Space Channel Promo

    by NoHubris

    Based on what we see of Ellen and her realization of what she is, TPTB made a good choice IMHO - at least based on what's in the promo.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    "I remember everything. Earth. Why we're here. EVERYTHING"

    by chromedome

    Thanks, Huberto! great promo link!!<p>Now, what was I sayin... Why am I here?

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST

    "Why am I here?"

    by NoHubris

    To purvey of course with all your Maximus Chromedomeus powers.<p>And you will have competition next week because Anders will be doing some major purveying of his own - get the others!

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 11:38 p.m. CST


    by theneonsamurai

    i got the impression from tigh's flashback with ellen on earth that they nuked themselves. nonetheless, an interesting theory.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 12:31 a.m. CST

    well, HubrisMinimus, thus far....

    by chromedome

    the season has been remarkably Hybrid-Free<p>Can I purvey you the Brooklyn Bridge, or a used Datsun, instead, perhaps?

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 1:31 a.m. CST

    This episode is #1 on iTunes

    by Anakin Whoopass

    Who cares about old-fashined TV ratings when BSG is the show online viewers are most willing to pay $$$ to download?

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 1:40 a.m. CST

    I'm so ronrey

    by MattInTheHat

    Anyone notice that when Ellen resutrected there was noone around to help out. Also, it did look like Cylon tech.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Cylon Resutrection

    by MattInTheHat

    I just made that up... put ME on the writing staff!

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 4:16 a.m. CST


    by J-Dizzle

    Perhaps you have a prediction as to why Six and Baltar take Hera in the opera house vision?

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 4:17 a.m. CST

    OR WHY HERA....

    by J-Dizzle

    ... feels a connection/ attraction to the Six model?

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 4:47 a.m. CST

    a good ep

    by Mr_X

    I have to admit. so the ships tearing apart, cylon tech should be able to resolve the issue. there has to be older ships out there in the fleet, are they showing the same signs? I dont understand how adama can trust so many turncoats. shoot all of the traitors!

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 5:24 a.m. CST

    All of this...

    by El Aurence

    Recently rewatched the mini-series. The guy in the space station at the very start, waiting for the Cylon delegation is clearly Jamie Bamber in aging makeup. All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again...

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 6:04 a.m. CST

    that's battle damage Tyrol is lookin at

    by Maniaq

    just rewatched these two eps back to back (highly recommend it!) and - like Gaeta's whole itchy stump thing - they plant a lot of seeds for the tears that Tyrol looks at in the engine room... <p> for a start, Captain Kelly tells Tyrol himself what a great ship the Galactica used to be once upon a time, during their chance encounter - this reinforces Tigh's earlier comments in CIC pre-mutiny about "four years without a pit-stop" and of course the scars people have already mentioned seeing in an earlier episode... <p> most significantly, the engine room is where a large group of hold-outs made their last stand, requiring reinforcements be sent and heavy fighting ensued... <p> I think that's just good old fashioned shrapnel damage The Chief is looking at (and wincing about) there! <p> as for the magic box with the pretty lights that unjams Roslin's broadcasts... I got nuthin

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 6:20 a.m. CST

    the Armistice Officer in the miniseries

    by Maniaq

    the guy in the space station at the start, waiting for the Cylon delegation, was played by a guy called Ryan Robbins - in heavy aging makeup... <p> curiously, the same actor also plays a character called Charlie Connor - Connor is the guy Starbuck rescues Apollo from in the hangar during the insurrection, when she delivers her wonderful "I can do this all day" line... <p> "who's next? Racetrack? Connor?"

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 7:59 a.m. CST


    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    Even tho the guy in the space station in the first scene wasn't played by Bamber, it would still be an interesting choice to have the last scene be just like it- with an old Jamie Bamber. It would send chills...

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Just watched the ep for the 3rd time, and I believe

    by The Shyster

    that Gaeta & Baltar were frakking on New Caprica, if not earlier. Go back & watch the beginning & end of Season 3, and watch the Oath & Blood/Scales... they are actually quite tender w/ eachother. It's all over their faces. I think that was ultimately their little secret.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Too good!!!!!!!!

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    I'm slightly in shock with how good the last 2 episodes. Its like that time I did 300 mushrooms. My mind was in shock then <p>So in conclussion, BSG is like losing your mind on magic mushrooms, but with less day-glo clolours everywhere <p> Poor, Mr Gaeta!! And what an ending for him and TZ. Shocked, I tell you! Shocked!!

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 8:14 a.m. CST

    You get as much tail as Baltar has, and you'll eventually go Bi

    by The Shyster

    Gaeta however, I assume was the bitch. Baltar is eccentric, but he's always been a little more alpha, in comparison. Note: the Eights must be amazing in the sack. Tied around their fingers, at one point or another: Tyrol, Helo, Gaeta, Cavill... I assume Baltar HAD to have tagged one or two when he was livin' on the basestar ;)

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Brokebattlestar Mountainica

    by The Shyster

    Gaeta & Baltar 4-ever <3<3<3 ^_^

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 9:37 a.m. CST

    I use to compare this show to Lost...

    by _Maltheus_

    ...but it makes more sense to compare it to 24. Intense, with lots of surprises, but no logic or likable characters. As for Sci-Fi show rankings, I'd put B5, Farscape and Firefly all above this one, if for no other reason that the other shows had characters I could give a shit about.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 9:42 a.m. CST


    by MonkeyLord

    Because I would have ranked B5, Farscape, Firefly, and Lost behind BSG for the very same reasons. ;)

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Agreed Monkey Lord

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    ;) <p>And Im a huge Browncoat too lol In fact Buffy and Rome are the only shows to even touch BSG. Poor Firefly was never given the chance. It most certainly could have been a contender!

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    wixmmm, MikeTheSpike, BurnHollywood

    by Rhuragh

    Wixmmm, while I agree with your criticism of Lost's resolution of the questions about the interconnectedness of the characters, I find your faith that the questions of the island will be answered to be sorely misplaced. I don't think Abrams and the rest of the Executive Producers can possibly provide satisfactory answers to the rest of the show's unresolved mythology. Although I never watched the show, from what I hear, Abrams' Alias had a similarly unsatisfactory resolution. As any prognosticator will tell you, past performance is no indicator of future performance; but it's still a pretty good indicator. Lost is going to end with major elements of the mythology unexplained (they're even adding NEW mysteries to resolve now, with less than two seasons to go!), and Lost fans are continuing to eat this shit. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that after the series ends unresolved, a few years later, one of the show-runners will be back claiming that his new book (or movie, or spin-off TV show, or video game) coming out will finally answer all the left-over questions! And Lost fans will continue to eat the shit they're serving. <BR><BR>Now, that's not to say that I don't think they'll leave certain aspects of the relationship between the "current" cylons and humans and the earlier cylons and humans. They need to leave some part of the core mystery for Caprica. I do believe that we'll have the core of they mystery explained though. Particularly the "all of this has happened before, all of this will happen again" and nature of the final five parts. <BR><BR>MikeTheSpike, you must be joking. The resolution of DS9 was "horrendous?" Either your memory must be betraying you, or you're really stupid. The situation is a lot more complicated than just Odo merging with female Founder to end the war. The military conflict was more than adequately resolved. The Dominion had a beachhead in the Alpha Quadrant due to their allegiance with the Cardassians and Breen, while the Alpha Quadrant Alliance between the Federation, Klingons, and Romulans was barely holding on. The Dominion could not bring further reinforcements through the wormhole due to intervention by Sisko with the Prophets who promised to destroy any hostile ships attempting to enter the Alpha Quadrant. Section 31 had meanwhile infected the Changelings with a degenerative disease. The Alpha Quadrant Alliance managed to break through the Dominion lines and take Cardassia, thus breaking the back of the Dominion forces in the Alpha Quadrant. Having no geographical base or military power left in the Alpha Quadrant, and dying from a disease to which they had no cure, the Founders had no choice but to accept surrender. Odo's merge with the female Founder convinced her that the Alpha Quadrant powers would not attempt to invade the Gamma Quadrant to exterminate the Founders and the Dominion, and thus their preemptive belligerence against the Alpha Quadrant was unwarranted. That seems pretty logical to me. <BR><BR>BurnHollywood, your memory must be REALLY short. Tigh didn't view his wife as a cylon, or member of the final five, even after his revelation. He viewed her as a person, as his _wife_. He had a long period of mourning after the events on New Caprica, culminating with him considering, for a moment, IIRC, allowing Bulldog to _KILL_ Adama in "Hero". Even after this, Tigh and Adama have a brawl when Adama criticizes Tigh, while invoking Ellen's hypothetical scorn, for getting Caprica-Six pregnant. <BR><BR>BurnHollywood--and everyone else who complains that the show doesn't have logical character progression, or that it's annoying that characters HAVE progression--you are all morons. This show lives and dies by its characters. The whole genesis of the show was to imagine what would really happen to a civilization's psyche if armageddon were to literally happen. Indeed, the last few episodes of the fourth season have been precisely about the blowback that happens to the rules of society under this kind of pressure. This manifests in such simple expressions as people brawling, littering, and peeing in the corridors, to suicides, to friends assaulting and killing friends. This chaos was only postponed due to the shared goal in the first three and a half seasons of finding Earth and another civilization to join. Once that hope was taken away, in Yeat's famous words: "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold." The original BSG was a joke. Seriously, a family show, a quasi-comedy, about THE END OF THE FUCKING WORLD? Are you kidding? That show, and the generic procedurals that dominate the airwaves, truly are shows that hit a reset button on "character" every time the credits roll. <BR><BR>A related complaint I see above is that the events of the past few episodes have revolved around, as one poster put it, King Adama and his "Knights of the Round Table". Gaeta and Zarek were relying on a small group of like-minded marines and pilots to carry out their insurrection. Most of the crew of Galactica were just following the orders from CIC, regardless of their source. As the Milgram Experiments, and the sociological study of authoritarianism show, people will follow orders from any designated authority source, and will sublimate their own moral code to do so. This goes doubly for members of the military who are specifically trained to make their own will subordinate to the will of their superior officers, even if the order results in their own death. As I pointed out last week, the events of the last few episodes could have been avoided had Roslin continued in her leadership position and not shown her own weakness and lack of purpose. Zarek's sedition in the Quorum would have been managed, and Gaeta wouldn't have devised his mutiny had there not been a leadership vacuum at the top of the food-chain. <BR><BR>Finally, my thoughts on the ending of the series. I think we'll find that "current" humans are really the result of the previous batch of humans and cylons to interbreed peacefully after a nasty war. I think the thesis of the show ties into the concept of the Technological Singularity, and one of the explanations of the Fermi Paradox; that intelligent life will by definition be in conflict with other life and will attempt to eradicate all competition. I believe the writers are positing that humans at some point reached the Singularity, possibly in the form of artificial life like the Cylons, and subsequently came into conflict with their earlier pre-Singularity progenitors. This post-Singularity intelligence realized they were in competition for the same resources, and attempted to annihilate each other. The artificial life forms decided to evolve to emulate their creators in an attempt to better understand their opponents. Eventually, they reached the point where they were able to interbreed, and thus peace was born. The "this will all happen again" part comes into play when you realize that "humans" will always be working towards achieving the Singularity, and will thus always come into competition between the part of society that hasn't acheieved the Singularity, and the part that has. Simply put: it's an old-fashioned culture war. <BR><BR>I apologize for the length of this screed. Feel free to skip it.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 11:34 a.m. CST


    by Rhuragh

    It's hard as hell to proofread in an edit-box the size of a postage stamp. I further apologize for the myriad typos in the above screed.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST


    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    Well done! Great explanation on the DS9 ending. And I like your thesis on BSG. There is one other possible paradox in play, however: Damned if you do, and damned if you don't. I think that's the Bart Simpson Paradox, but I may be wrong about that.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Why did Baltar have the dream about Adama being shot?

    by performingmonkey

    Baltar and Adama have always been pretty against each other. So why did he give a shit that Adama was maybe going to be executed? Is this pointing to something else?? Was this his in-head Six telling him to act because she/it/they know that Adama is the only one to lead the fleet to the true Earth??

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    I go back and forth with BSG, but these last few episodes have been frakkin' amazing. This weeks has been the best thus far of the new season.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST


    by wixmmm

    even though that post was practically a novel, i think you made a good case for yourself. However, i DO think lost is starting to make sense, but i also believe there is no way they will be able to answer ALOT of the questions they've raised. Overall, i agree with your argument. now, MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY--you are DEAD ON about bsg being about the CHARACTERS and their PROGRESSION. I made this point before and got little backup from other talkbackers and a fair amount of criticism from people who do not think the characters are compelling or have changed accordingly throughout the show. If you call yourself a fan of bsg but say the core of the show is not about the characters, then you're not a bsg fan. you're a fan of space battles, action scenes, and only find things related to the overall arc intriguing. The show has been, and always will be, about the characters--that's what the show lives and dies by. It amazes me that so many people get all up in arms about the quote filler unquote episodes. Every episode bsg has ever made addresses the character or characters first. People who don't see that cannot possibly understand what makes good tv.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 1:11 p.m. CST

    BSG is an allegory for Isreali/Palestinian relations

    by YackBacker

    So say we all.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST


    by Rhuragh

    Exactly. So-called "filler" episodes like "Scar" or "The Woman King" are about character, not plot. "Scar" was roundly derided at the time of airing because it was, supposedly, a filler episode, yet, as events since then have shown, the episode provided some critical character development for Louanne "Kat" Katraine, and even a bit for Starbuck. "The Woman King" provided further development of Helo's moral core (incidentally, I'll say that Helo is quite possibly the character with the strongest sense of morality on the show, he was the FIRST post-attack human to realize that the Cylons are individuals each deserving their separate moral judgments). While this was ground already well-traveled through his relationship with Athena, and again with the Cylon virus, a little more elucidation didn't really hurt.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    The Problem With Some Of The "Filler" Episodes...

    by LaserPants

    Is the bad melodrama. I agree with you, wismmm, that one of BSGs most important strengths is its strong, well-drawn characters, but thats no call for bad melodrama. This week's episode was full of great character stuff, character building stuff, and it was truly gripping tension and balls out action, and it never fell into the bad melodrama.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST


    by MikeTheSpike

    Thanks for saying I'm either forgetful or "really stupid" because we have differing opinions about a sci-fi show's denouement from ten years ago. Great bit of back-and-forth we developed there. Minds meeting, ideas colliding, a bit of intellectual chess. God, the Internet's a great place for intelligent debate among great thinkers. It's as if we're sitting in the very halls of Plato's Academy itself!

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST


    by Rhuragh

    You're welcome!

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 2 p.m. CST

    MikeTheSpike for the win

    by whofan71

    I'm not taking sides, because I don't have a dog in this hunt, but I must say, MikeTheSpike, that you win the award for the smartest, most clever and classiest talkback comeback I have ever read.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    I would put the blame on Sciffy for any weak BSG

    by InActionMan

    I think when Skiffy realized they had a moderate hit instead of a mega hit they cut BSG's budget. <P> Compounded by the fact that the actors paychecks tend to get bigger the longer a series runs also cut into the budget. <P> This results in Moore deciding to push the spectacular "Space Porn" into maybe every 4th ep. The rest of the eps are "Bottle Shows" that take place on standing sets with limited guest stars or location shooting. <P> Bottle shows do not necessarily have to be bad if a good writer is on the job. "The Oath" and "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down" were very good bottle shows. <P> Besides weak BSG is better than the best episodes of any Cop, Lawyer or Doctor show.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST


    by Rhuragh

    Ehh, not really. That was a typical Rodney King response. See, first, someone makes an idiotic throw-away comment. Second, someone responds showing them how stupid they were. Third, Said idiot responds criticizing the first person for taking him seriously and implies that the other person is being mean.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    by MikeTheSpike

    I mean, I really don't know how to respond at this point, right? Granted this is an AICN TB, but I figure I get more than insults for my opinion. I was simply stating that I found it a bit too pat that the female Changeling would suddenly have such a change of heart after melding - a fairly uncontroversial statement if ever I've typed one, and not uncommon back in the heady, pre-Bush, post-Monica Lewisnky world of 1999. And Whofan, thanks for the kind words. In return, I will check out some Who songs on YouTube.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST

    you never saw rat shit in a Jeffries tube

    by m00kiedood

    On Star Trek, the tube crawling was all spick and span.<p> On BSG, the Chief is crawling through tubes littered with rat shit.... one of those nice touches that I've enjoyed about the series.<p> And yes, the ship is barely holding together and those are stress fractures you're seeing. I compared the Gallactica in one of the opening shots to the Gallactica in the opening credits. Man, has it been battered --- craters, open girdersk twisted metal, blackened in battle... I figure they will decide they have maybe one or two jumps left, and that'll be it. <p> Maybe they will end up all moving over to the base star, or rolling the dice on one long shot last jump.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 5:09 p.m. CST

    by MikeTheSpike

    Incidentally, "Jeffrey's Tube" would be a great name for a porno.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    the giant crack/gash must have some significance.

    by Boomers_Lips

    they even played that spooky music when they focused on it. maybe it's time to put the old girl to sleep. I'm guessing they're all gonna have to abandon the Galactica and live on the Basestar.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 5:44 p.m. CST

    I'm guessing Final Fivers have natural ressurection abilities.

    by Boomers_Lips

    and they don't need a Ressurection Ship or Hub like the Magnificant 7.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 6 p.m. CST

    Giant Crack Gash

    by LaserPants

    Amazonian crack-whore.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius RE: Draper & Sterling

    by NoHubris

    I meant to respond sooner. My apologies, good sir.<p>Since Draper and Sterling drink constantly whether in or out of the office - all day, all the time - IMHO they would win hands down.<p>I mean, at least Tigh and Starbuck take breaks to tend to their military duties.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Starbuck Is Hot, But Scary

    by LaserPants

    I wouldn't want to date a chick who could kick my ass.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 6:28 p.m. CST

    I love when the school teacher becomes Winston Churchhill on roi

    by hamster factor

    Roslin isn't one of my favorite characters, but that was pretty bad ass.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Man, oh man, oh man.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Well, that was a FANTASTIC episode. It's been awhile since I've seen something that gripping on TV. BSG truly has its fair share of moments in the sun and that was some well crafted stuff right there.<P>So many great character beats - you could truly sense the wheels turning as the members of the coup began to second guess the thoughts behind their actions. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Glad to see that I'm not the only one who...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...enjoyed Tyrol's actions this week. At one point, I was wondering what the hell he was doing crawling around in the Galactica's access ducts. But when I realized what he was doing, I actually jumped and said, "He's going for the FTL! Fuck yeah!".

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    No worries, buddy. I think you might be right about Draper and Sterling. Those guys are textbook examples of highly functioning alchoholics.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Romo Lampkin = Best character on the show

    by Messiahman

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Romo Lampkin is one cool cat.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    (No pun intended.) However, I would have liked to have seen a little more "mental swordplay" between him and Tom Zarek. I always thought those two would have provided a lot of treasure trove of exchanges.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Performing Monkey

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    Maybe I'm jaded, but it seemed to me that the real reason Gaius dreamed of Adama's execution was to jerk us around in the preview commercial. The extra footage that was cut was supposed to explain it, but I have a feeling it was just a tack-on explanation. Kinda like the Cally-affair-so-it-wasn't-Tyrol's-kid thing.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    Great point- I was also looking forward to some good Zarek-Romo dialog. I'm guessing they might have wanted to do it, but didn't have the time to fit it in the episode's running time.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Off-topic reminder...

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    This evening I introduced my girlfriend to the pilot of "The Adventures of Brisco County Jr." Highly recommended. For those of you who haven't seen it, go rent the entire series and watch it in order. Great story well told. Quality on a lot of different levels. Fun stuff!

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 9:49 p.m. CST

    actually the paradox at play in this show is...

    by Maniaq

    women - can't live with em, can't live without em (or the usual derivatives thereabouts) <p> so I've noticed on these talkbacks, the BSG fans seem to suffer some kind of an inferiority complex and constantly feel the need to (sometimes at great length) describe how much better this show is when compared to other television like, say, Lost... <p> the whole matter of opinions being like assholes aside, WHO GIVES A FUCK??? <p> people enjoy one show, other people enjoy some other show, some crazy fucks even enjoy MORE THAN ONE show - what the fuck kind of subatomic particle of difference does it make anyways??

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 10 p.m. CST


    by NoHubris

    If the Cylons and the Humans end their thousands of years old conflict and make peace, that would be a great allegory regarding the Isreali/Palestinian conflict.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Loving It

    by Samus Aran

    Loving every last minute of it. This show is what I had been waiting for, for at least ten or fifteen years. <P> I can't wait to see those metal stress fractures destroy the ship in the end. Blaze of glory. <P> Oh and Maniaq, when we talk about Galactica here, we only use the word 'frak'.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST


    by YackBacker

    I agree. Watching how angry the mutineers were at Adama just struck that real-world chord with me. People are trained to hate one another- certainly the Middle East is not the only place where this takes place, but it is the most common and high-pitched conflict we know presently. The writing on BSG really captures this very real part of our failing as humans. Even if you're "right" to be angry, does holding onto that make things better in the end? Not an easy question to answer- and BSG doesn't make it so either.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Fantastic Talkback

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Between the BSG and Lost talkbacks some of the best theorising and debates that AICN ever sees. <p> And not just about the shows themselves but extending it to look at the human condition overall. <p> A lot of people have commented on the hate that exists in the world, and how generations keeps the hate going. <p> We are very tribal by nature and focus on differences. I really struggle to connect us with the 24th century humans that are presented on Star Trek, they seem almost alien. But the "humans" on BSG are much more like us, definetely helps with our connection and understanding of those characters.<p> I think its the imperfections that make us interesting. <p>

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Imperfections also extend to the ships etc

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Has already been commented on the stress fractures,dirtiness of Galacitca etc. <p> Again something we can relate to, and am sure most people had heard when the original Star Wars came out, what was interesting was showing spaceships as used, rather than sparkling clean and new looking, ala Star Trek. <p>

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 12:05 a.m. CST

    I don't have a dog in this hunt, either...

    by Bill Clay

    ... but Rhuragh came off looking like a pretentious dick.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Fuck you, Rhuragh

    by BurnHollywood

    Holy shit, I'm tired of individuals like you who can't critique another's opinions on a fucking show without name-calling. Know what? The moment you called me a "moron" I lost all interest in anything you had to say. Make up a new nick, because you're dead to me.<p> Grow up, learn some civility, and quit writing mile-long posts...nobody wants to wade through that OCD nonsense looking for the occasional peanut in the mound of shit.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Did someone just say that...

    by SingingHatchet

    AICN talkbacks were like PLATO's Academy? Okay. Hyperbole. Yee gads! Watsa messa sayin'? That's like calling Jar Jar Binks a great Jedi.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 4:32 a.m. CST


    by jackalcack


  • Feb. 9, 2009, 5:18 a.m. CST

    by bellwether

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Bill Clay, BurnHollywood

    by Rhuragh

    Bill Clay, I prefer being called a pretentious asshole. <BR><BR>BurnHollywood, oh noes! I don't have your approval? You won't read my comments? My sense of self-worth is so crushed! Go fuck yourself. You made an ignorant comment, and I called you on it. Get over it, bitch.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 6:40 a.m. CST


    by bythehairofsanjaya

    Did I miss someting. When Baltar and Gaeta were talking at the end Gaeta said "I was going into science and then I met you" Did those two have an affair?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 7:02 a.m. CST


    by Rhuragh

    Ok, I'll spell it out perfectly clearly for you. Given the realities of the military situation I described earlier, the female Founder knew from her meld with Odo that he sincerely believed and knew that the Alpha Quadrant Alliance wouldn't pursue the conflict into the Gamma Quadrant, and would be willing to accept peace. Remember, in Trek canon, Changeling melds were a complete melding of mind and body such that one individual was indistinguishable from another with no dissembling possible. As a show of good-faith, Odo agreed to return to the Changeling homeworld to rejoin the Great Link. <BR><BR>Is that a pedantic enough explanation for you? I wasn't nearly as discerning back then, and I still figured it out. You've had ten years, what's your excuse?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 7:03 a.m. CST


    by Rhuragh

    No, he simply means that he when he met Baltar, he met a _real_ scientist, a genius.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 8:50 a.m. CST


    by The Shyster

    As I posted earlier, I really think they had a thing back on New Caprica. Don't get me wrong, I know Baltar was slutting around with fleet ho's (and later Skinjobs), but I think he drifted into the "other lane" either out of intellectual attraction to Gaeta, or just sheer boredom with pussy.<br> <br>And Gaeta, I think that was his coming out of the closet time, but immediately sparked up a fling with that Number 8 out of denial (or he was just Bi to begin with).<br> <br> So yeah, that's the impression i've always been left with, ESPECIALLY after the end of last episode.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 9:07 a.m. CST

    The Shyster

    by Rhuragh

    I think you're mistaking agape for eros. I'll be charitable and say that perhaps, maybe, you're not wrong that Baltar has engaged in relationships including men and women. However, given that the writers have been more than willing to show Baltar flirting with--not to mention in flagrante delicto--exclusively with women and also that they have not shied away from showing gay (Gaeta and Hoshi) and lesbian (Cain and Gina) relationships, I think that if the writers had wanted to imply a sexual relationship between Gaeta and Baltar, they would have done so more explicitly than whatever subtext you're reading into these scenes.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST

    there's nothing wrong with

    by FangBonerD

    two men having a mutual respect for each other. Gaeta has always looked up to Baltar from day one as an intellectual being. Baltar respects Gaeta for his intellect and respect for the sciences. It is nothing more than that. That "special" relationship that people seem to want to focus on was just their shared 'nightmare' of New Caprica. Aside from Gaeta, no other human was aware of what went on inside Colonial One during the occupation.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Note to SciFi channel promo dept

    by sleepingbear

    STOP USING THE MONEY SHOT IN THE FARKKIN ADS. Prez Stands with Fist best line of the series would have been so much more powerful if I had not seen it a dozen times in the promos for the episode. Why do these people have to give everything away in the promos? Other then that, great episode!

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Gaeta and Tyrol

    by Himbo

    I read that homosexual status would be revealed in the webisodes. But having seen that, and the BSG run, I wonder was Gaeta actually homosexual? Or, was he just seducing Hoshi for meds? Addicts will do anything/anyone for a fix. As such, I though the throwaway sexuality issue was a bit a cop-out. Were there any main-show suggestions on Gaeta that I missed? <p> And as for chief crawling through rat-spoor scattered jeffries tubes: That ALL he did? Chief was among my favorite characters and now has nothing to do. And people can slam Trek all they want, shouldn't you at least have an engineers mate PERMANENTLY POSTED at the flipping FTL drive? I did like that the FTL drive looks like it is straight outta Galaxy Quest.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Watching the episode again...

    by DougMcKenzie

    The pain in Baltar's face during Gaeta's talk with him before his execution is genuinely moving. Gaius finally realized how disinvolving himself from recent political events has impacted things in a negative way. He knew how impressionable Felix was, and how easily swayed he could be by a demagogue like Zarek. Zarek told Felix what he wanted to hear but his actions were completely different. Baltar had shut himself away because he feared the negative consequences of his actions, finally realized that negative consequences of his inaction as well. It was weighing on Baltar that he his damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 11 a.m. CST


    by Rhuragh

    I don't think you missed anything on the main show, because it wasn't there. There's an interview further up the page (or in last week's TB, I forget which) where they reveal that the decision to have Gaeta and Hoshi in a relationship was done after the series. They were toying with it prior to the series end, but the webisodes didn't come into being until after production had ceased on the series. That's why Hoshi is notably missing during Gaeta's execution. They also mentioned that Hoshi wasn't the original choice for Gaeta's partner. They were originally considering one of the pilots, either Noel "Narcho" Allison (pilot commander of Adama's execution squad), or Paolo "Redwing" McKay. I forget which of those two it was specifically. Also, technically, as the webisodes also show, Gaeta wasn't gay, he was bisexual, or at least bicurious. I would also take issue with the implication that Gaeta was an addict. He had a genuine need for pain killers, and was not shown to be abusing them, either in the webisodes, or in the series. <BR><BR>Anyway, I too thought it a bit odd that there was absolutely no one posted at that section of the ship, especially considering that they showed the engine room of the Pegasus in "The Captain’s Hand" as being well-manned. Of course, are we sure that was the actual engine room? Could it have been simply a junction of some sort between the engines and the external drive pods? (Getting into precisely this kind of discussion is something that the writers have deliberately tried to avoid. The technobabble and pseudo-science of Star Trek was seen by the writers (most of whom worked on Star Trek with Moore) as an impediment to good drama, hence why they have spent absolutely no effort to describe how Galactica's FTL, sublight engines, or any of the other technology on the ship works. This is also why most of the technology on the show doesn't appear to be much advanced from our own level of development. We're not here to lallygag at the latest MacGuffin the writers can devise, we're here to watch human beings react under incredible pressure with the fate of the species at stake.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Re: Himbo

    by sleepingbear

    I think this is why so many non-Sci Fi fans have been watching the show. My wife, who normaly hates SciFi love BSG, more then I do I think. This is something more writers/show creaters need to keep in mind I feel.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    My wife though that Paul Blart: Mall Cop was funny.

    by Leafar the Lost

    I refused to see it with her. It shows you where her creative tastes are. Obviously, she hates BSG or any kind of show that requires some kind of creativity and intellect to appreciate. Am I saying that my wife is stupid? No, how dare you imply that?! BUT I have come to realize that there are Multiple Intelligences, and I have to admit that she is really good at cooking and taking care of the children. Am I being sexist?! How dare you say that?! I am simply stating the truth. I seem to be good at paying the mortgage and keeping the lights on, and she seems to be good at cooking and crying hysterically if the boys socks do not match...

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 1:28 p.m. CST


    by BurnHollywood

    So is it "agape" or "eros" when I fire a load into your mom's face? :-D <p> Not reading your pretentious blather, mind you, just noticed that piece of corn when I stepped around your turd on the sidewalk.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    What is Gaetea was infected and made to turn traitor?

    by Smashing

    Maybe the Cylons have blood programming and if everyone does turn out to be a Cylon then the webisodes with Gaetea and the rogue Boomer could have been clues, maybe she instigated the coup to buy the other Cylons time to find them?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 2:09 p.m. CST


    by Rhuragh

    It makes it necrophilia, you sick fuck.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST


    by blindambition238

    He said "I thought I was GOOD AT science, then I met you"

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    "I love the enemy"

    by Jollymorphic

    There are stretches when BSG disappoints (relative to the high standard it's set for itself from the start) and there are moments when it shines, and the latter usually take the form of these intensely dramatic and fast-paced one- or two-episode story arcs. The writing and the acting in this mutiny story were through the roof. Even Mary McDonnell was riveting, and my wife and I usually find her off-kilter demeanor annoying.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Gaeta and Baltar had a friendship connection,

    by Samus Aran

    and that was it. It seemed pretty clear to me from the begining of the show, and it ended like that. Yes, Gaeta is gay, but I don't see any indication offered by the writers that he showed anything more towards Baltar than an admiration for his scientific mind, and Baltar appreciates the admiration and feels a basic kinship. This is a silly debate I am reading here.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST


    by electric_sheep

    Only joking, superb episode, excepting the "it was all a dream" portion. I love the fact that I cannot imagine how it will all end, and yet trust RDM implicitly to steer the way.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    You're killing me Rhuragh

    by MikeTheSpike

    Seriously, you're killing me. Stop it. In my long and storied career of net surfing, I've never once gotten involved in a "flame war," but I'm prepared to extend to you the courtesy. First, you make the mistake of thinking I didn't understand what happened at the end of DS9. Trust me, I got it. And if I didn't, I've had 10 years to mull it over. It's not that I don't get it, it's that I think it was a pretty unsatisfying ending. At the risk of blowing your mind, I'd like to point out that it's not an uncommon appraisal of the episode, either. And if you still think WYLB was a stroke of genius, may I simply say to you: Pagh wraiths, red contact lenses, and Dukat and Sisko hanging around a paper mache "cave" for half the episode. Now, you may have loved the episode, and that's all well and good. You've certainly given a well-reasoned response as to why it has its merits. It wasn't awful and you're more than entitled to your enjoyment. I'm simply saying that as per my brain, I personally have reasonable issues with it. I didn't say that Hitler was a great guy, or that evolution doesn't exist; I was just let down by the finale to an hourlong sci-fi programme, is all. This brings me to my second, and, perhaps, most important issue: your propensity for denigrating people here whose reasonable opinions do not match your own. Look, I know it's an AICN talkbalk. I get that. I'm not looking for the Lincoln/Douglas debates here. At the same time, you don't call people stupid and all its variants just because you don't agree with them. Furthermore, when you're called out on it, you apologize and continue, with dignity. As opposed to, say, a Transformers talkback, BSG TBs here tend to bring in a more reasonable, intelligent group of people. I'd say you're far below that standard, perhaps even willfully so. It reflects poorly on your character, is what I'm trying to get at here - if that's a concern.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST

    1337 Hours...

    by turketron

    I thought it was funny when Lee and Starbuck did that little assault at 1337 hours. Elite indeed...

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 4:34 p.m. CST


    by Rhuragh

    Or how about I just call you a hypocritical, and wrong, cunt?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Well, when you put it *that* way...

    by MikeTheSpike

    Sounds to me like you didn't read my post at all.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 5:32 p.m. CST

    baltar/gaeta secret

    by wixmmm

    the secret baltar and gaeta had was the fact that gaeta lied in the trial--baltar did have a gun pointed to his head and gaeta knew it. That was the secret-- i don't know if anyone already said that.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 6:06 p.m. CST

    I read your post. It was complete bullshit.

    by Rhuragh

    Yes, you were certainly the voice of calm, moderate reason when you joined the discussion with your trollish throw-away comment that DS9's ending was "horrendous". You gave no supporting argument whatsoever while the rest of us who HAVE cited it have clearly elucidated (this week and last) reasoning behind our citation of the series. Furthermore, your argument constitutes a dodge. Your first complaint was that Odo's meld convincing the female Founder to surrender was "too pat". Then, once I pointed out the reasoning and lore behind the decision, your argument has shifted to being about the Sisko/Dukat fight? So, uh, which is it? Are there any other aspects of the show you'd like to argue about once I've pointed out how the pieces fit together? If you could provide me with a comprehensive list now, it would save me a lot of time. Finally, I don't give a flying fuck what you think of my character. YOUR disingenuous bullshit isn't doing you many favors either.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 6:14 p.m. CST


    by Rhuragh

    Oh, very nice of you to point that out. Gaeta's perjury during Baltar's trial undoubtedly weighs heavily on his very active conscience. That adds another nice bit of subtext to the relationship there. I do still think, however, that what Baltar was referring to with the whisper was Gaeta's tryst with "Sweet" Eight (as she's referred to in the scripts for the "Face of the Enemy" webisodes) where he was giving up possible resistance names for sex (honestly, with Grace Park, who WOULDN'T give up their friends to be sent to a death camp?).

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 6:24 p.m. CST


    by NoHubris

    True. The basestar Hybrid has not been seen in a while, but if the fleet jump drives receive the Cylon upgrades, she should pop up soon enough IMHO.<p>BTW the with the Cylon improved FTL drives, I wonder if the Hybrid will be able to access the upgraded drives and MAKE the ships jump to any location of her choosing.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST

    by MikeTheSpike

    You are correct in that I claimed specifically that the wrapup to the war sucked, irrespective of the Dukat/Sisko resolution. I made the mistake of making it appear as though *that* was my lone complaint with the episode. I'll gladly own up to it, if that'll get you in a better mood. The gist of what I meant (and, admittedly, this is not exactly how it came out) is that judging by Moore's previous sci-fi series finale, a grand slam ending for BSG isn't entirely assured. But why go on? Your whole approach to this thing is such a turn-off. Seriously, where's it coming from?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    More on the Hybrid and upgraded jump drives

    by NoHubris

    Remember when the Hybrid kept jumping around with Roslin on board last year? What if the Hybrid does the same thing with all the Cylon upgraded ships in the fleet?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Basestar and the Hybrid

    by NoHubris

    If those are really cracks that Tyrol saw as a prelude to the Galactica falling apart, it would be interesting if the basestar became the protector of the fleet.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST


    by Rhuragh

    The fucking cemetery called to say that my mother was dug up and ejaculated on.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    by MikeTheSpike

    Yeah? How'd it taste?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 7:13 p.m. CST

    A few random thoughts

    by InActionMan

    After mulling the last episode for several days a few things come to mind: <P> Maybe Gaeta's final conversation with Baltar was an "Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge" moment and never actually occurred. It was all in Gaeta's head in the moments just before death. <P> Someone said that the resurecction hub was inside the Galactica. While I do not think that is true. I think there may in fact be something special about Galactica. Remember when Tigh is hearing the music and trying to figure out where it is coming from. At the end of the episode Tigh says "It's in the fraking ship!" Maybe there is some final five cylon tech embedded in the Galactica. <P> Anyone catch Starbuck's Jack Bauerish "Damit" in the episode.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Upgraded Jump Drives

    by deathstar73

    Nohubris - the question I have is the hybrid even capable of delivering all of the ships to the same destination without getting them scattered to hell and back? Each individual ship seems to be responsible for its own jump after receiving the coordinates from Galactica which, in one case, screwed up the jump herself.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 7:56 p.m. CST


    by J-Dizzle

    WTH?? If two guys have an intellectual conversation then they must be gay?? What are you people smoking?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Huberto!! You are ONTO something, there, I think

    by chromedome

    I mentioned last week that having Cylon FTL tech on the fleet ships might open them to outside control, unintended consequences.<p>But, what you suggest is Intriguing!! Once EVERY ship (Fleet, Cylon Rebels, Cavills Cylons) is using the Same Tech, could not the Hybrid(s) take them ALL someplace...? <p>This could be the way the Final Encounter occurs...<p>Well Done, Sir!!

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST

    William Adama is a stone cold mofo

    by The Ghost of Scrappy Doo

    I can't believe he had Bill Ayers and Harvey Milk executed by a firing squad. That was sick.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 10:29 p.m. CST


    by NoHubris

    Yes, you mentioned the Hybrid possibly tapping into the FTLs last week. Credit goes to you on that, good sir.<p>But credit goes to me for reminding you that the Hybrid Theory still lives. :-)

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 5:46 a.m. CST


    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    More kudos! Your point may be a hingepin on which several things turn. And if I may suggest... If the Hybrid makes the fleet jump, perhaps that would explain all the dead characters like Zack showing up in the last ep. (according to IMDB, if it's accurate) They could be showing up in the 'between' like when Rosylin and her dead priestess had their moments recently.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 7:07 a.m. CST

    The end of DS9 was pretty wank, to be honest

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    sisko, Ducat, and Wraiths. Yeah, what a load of wank. Shame, because there were some kick ass space battles in the finale - but on the whole, the end was a real let down. Now RDM has had a few years to perfect his talent and has brought us BSG. <p>In conclussion, Rhuragh is a fucking prick and he and this talkback are done professionally. Fucking ass! ;)

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    re:Smash Drama

    by sleepingbear

    Me and buddy were talking about that and felt Gaeta got off easy. They should have spaced him then shot off his other leg ;)

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Stunt Vocalist 709

    by NoHubris

    Thanks, Stunt Vocalist 709.<p>And cool idea about the other dearly departed showing up between jumps.<p>If TPTB do that, it would make those Elosha/Roslin encounters some really awesome foreshadowing.

  • Feb. 12, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST

    happened before / again

    by BizarroJerry

    I have to say when they reached earth, I was waiting for something to suggest that the 1970s Battlestar Galactica was one of the times it "happened before". Even just a hint or two. That'd be great. And I'm not even a fan of the old show at all.

  • July 2, 2009, 12:02 a.m. CST


    by nogush

    <a href="" title=" gay twink student sucks mature cock "><img src="" border="0"></a>

  • July 2, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST


    by orcus