Feb. 6, 2009, 2:26 a.m. CST
Feb. 6, 2009, 2:27 a.m. CST
Bring back buffy and angel.
Feb. 6, 2009, 2:42 a.m. CST
why oh why do we have to endure this teen-vampire trend rollercoaster?! 2009 is the new 1997.
Feb. 6, 2009, 2:45 a.m. CST
and i'm gonna watch it!
Feb. 6, 2009, 3:10 a.m. CST
They never get old! It's so awesome! Even shows without Vampires should do it.
Feb. 6, 2009, 3:30 a.m. CST
I remember these books from when I was a kid. Dear god they were crap.
Feb. 6, 2009, 3:39 a.m. CST
damm that seems a long time ago. Yeah im surprised that no ones approached wheldon for a continuation into the buffyverse. but when did execs ever know what was good tv? Surprising th amount of vampire stuff on tv and film, it never gets old. Currently enjoying tru blood, cause i can always take a different spin on vampires. but damm i miss buffy and angel
Feb. 6, 2009, 3:40 a.m. CST
The graphics are cool, but it's got one voice actor doing every voice, INCLUDING THE WOMEN. Sorry but that's just lazy and cheap.
Feb. 6, 2009, 3:55 a.m. CST
by The McPoyle Clan
vampire this, vampire that. Other demons deserve equal exposure.
Feb. 6, 2009, 3:59 a.m. CST
by The McPoyle Clan
about Twilight's author? Funny stuff.
Feb. 6, 2009, 3:59 a.m. CST
stupid teen movies!
Feb. 6, 2009, 4:26 a.m. CST
Feb. 6, 2009, 5:20 a.m. CST
its still a dumb move to cancel angel. it was still a dumb move then. and trying to find a replacement for the show today, is a dumb move as well.
Feb. 6, 2009, 5:51 a.m. CST
by Bass Ackwards
I enjoyed that show. And I liked most of Buffy, never could get into Angel though, I'm sure the writing and production was just as good, but the show could never rise above the bland talents of it's principles. The whole cast seemed like they should be minor suporting actors on another show, which, I guess when you think about it, being a spinoff and all, is what they were
Feb. 6, 2009, 6:29 a.m. CST
Isn't Josh busy with Dollhouse and such now.. he can't do every show..
Feb. 6, 2009, 6:46 a.m. CST
by Col. Tigh-Fighter
They call it a lame Twilight rip-off. No thanks
Feb. 6, 2009, 6:57 a.m. CST
get used to crapy ripoffs trying to skim some cash out of twilights wake
Feb. 6, 2009, 7:17 a.m. CST
Angel could not have continued into 10 seasons. It ended well at the height of it's game (unlike Buffy). Let it go.
Feb. 6, 2009, 7:23 a.m. CST
For your horror-genre television show fix, might I suggest Supernatural?<p><p>There's 4 cool seasons of that show that have been virtually ignored on AICN. Whatever.<p><p> Also, I hear True Blood is good, I need to check that out.
Feb. 6, 2009, 7:24 a.m. CST
the fuck is this shit...
Feb. 6, 2009, 7:31 a.m. CST
Oh, my fellow Buffy watchers. I liked 6 & 7. I don't get what makes so many fans flip shit about those seasons.
Feb. 6, 2009, 7:37 a.m. CST
by Kid Z
... that it took the Swedes (of all people) to actually make a halfway-decent vampire film. We need a break, toss vampires on the kisch trashheap for awhile next to gray aliens, swing-dancing, and fat husband/bitchy wife sitcoms.
Feb. 6, 2009, 7:40 a.m. CST
Or please give a link. I'm too weary to search.
Feb. 6, 2009, 8:35 a.m. CST
Please don't misunderstand me. I viewed and enjoyed seasons 6/7. They just didn't have the emotional pull and dramatic arc that Season 5 did. Six was superior to Seven. Seven had some joy, but hasn't the memorable dramatic standouts offered by other seasons... other than the "Welcome to Thunderdome" Act. That was awesome.
Feb. 6, 2009, 8:50 a.m. CST
Feb. 6, 2009, 9 a.m. CST
David Addison and Maddie Hayes FTW!
Feb. 6, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST
5 DID have some damn fine pathos. I have such mixed feelings about that season, though. I don't think Glory is all that interesting a Big Bad and 5 was Dawn's whiniest, screechiest season.
Feb. 6, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST
Meow! Saucer of milk, Herc?
Feb. 6, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST
....they write in their diaries. Awful.
Feb. 6, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST
I was sorry to see Angel end after only five years. Still, they did give it a great ending considering the short time it had left. I miss it.
Feb. 6, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST
More Twilight vampire bullshit from the guy woh brought you fucking Dawson's Creek and varied other teen oriented bullshit. Wow.....how could this possibly go wrong. Mother - Fucking - Twilight. Start making some goddamn zombie TV series and enough of this teenage sparkling I'm in love with a 300 year old queer looking vamp bullshit. Please.
Feb. 6, 2009, 10:51 a.m. CST
TRUE BLOOD is all kinds of crazy and definitely worth your valuable time.
Feb. 6, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST
I will only watch a vampire tv show or movie if I know Wesley Snipes is going to kill them.
Feb. 6, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST
Vampires can do other things besides solving crimes...really. I'm very concerned about the lack of job opportunities in the vampire community. Possible ideas for television programs to highlight that vampires can do more tings: Vampire Chef, CSI: Transylvania, Dancing With The Undead Stars, and Desperate Undead Housewives. Then maybe America will prove it's really ready for Change and elect the first Vampire-American president.
Feb. 6, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST
they didn't think much of Angel because it didn't fit their whole "angsty teen" demographic, so they canned it for more teen-angst shows that still failed miserably (and greenlit more dumb Jeff Foxworthy white trash garbage and Drew Carey schtick while they were at it, doing as much as they could to drive away anyone over the age of 16 possessing a brain). but they saw what big business Twilight did with the screechy little girl crowd and want to cash in. oh well, at least there's still Supernatural.
Feb. 6, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST
by Media Messiah
If they were going to do this show to cash in on Twilight, they should have done it before Twilight came out. This show should have debuted last August, if not, January, a year ago. Now, Twilight, having been a lousy movie...has become irrelevant, and lost a lot of the fan frenzy. They should have just called up Joss Whedon and said, "Can you give us a "Fray" series, "Dawn: The Vampire Slayer", or "Spike"???", instead, we get this, a show that will be cancelled in no time, or drag in low ratings as most CW shows do, including Gossip Girl, which they keep pretending is a hit, for some reason???
Feb. 6, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST
Why would they contact Whedon? To start Angel again? Sorry but "Bones" would prevent that from happening. Why would Joss want to run a show about vampires that he didn't create? I don't see why they can't make a few Angel/Buffy straight to DVD movies (and not the proposed Ripper/Spike standalone movies). There's fan base for it so why not? Get on it Whedon!
Feb. 6, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST
Ahhhh the only reason this is getting a pilot is it's targeting the Twilight crowd as the books are Young Adult novels written before Twilight got popular. They're just trying to cash in on the tween vampire craze.
Feb. 6, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST
Unbelievable that it took a couple of lesser novel series (Twilight/Southern Vampire tales) to breathe new life into the vampire genre to make it marketable again. And I'll go out on a limb to say that the sex and romance is what's really driving these two. It just sucks that when it wasn't, we had to lose out on more Buffy/Angel (although Buffy seemed to have run it's course) and got a half-assed combining of "Vampire Lestat" and "The Queen Of The Damned" pushed out the door by the very same WB. Although "Let The Right One In" is genius. And the "Underworld" series has been enjoyable. Meh, I'm just bitter.
Feb. 6, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST
So we're just giving that title to anyone who can spell now? I'm gonna start calling myself Screenwriter LSLeeLee
Feb. 6, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST
by Media Messiah
I talked about him doing a spin off of Buffy, ala Fray, Dawn, or Spike. I figure if the CW wants a vampire show that can draw an audience, why not call Whedon to do it??? Why would you need this show, when have Whedon and his established vampire mythos, and audience?
Feb. 6, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST
Whoever said that it sounds 'gay' is kind of right - as a gay tween I discovered the books and really dug them. A little box-digging shows I still have them. Before Buffy and Twilight and the neo-vampire revolution, there was Elena and Stefan and Damon. As a kid I always thought they would make a great movie. I'll give it a look.<br><br>And to whomever was thinking about checking out True Blood, I have this warning - starts off promising, meanders far too much, frequently passes up it's interesting premise for lots of overwrought crap (which, as a gay tween, I would have loved). I'll give it another season but so far it's mediocre.
Feb. 6, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST
by Napoleon Park
Forty-Six Years After Lee Harvey Oswald assassinates John F. Kennedy, The CW Orders A VAMPIRE DIARIES Pilot From That DAWSON’S CREEK Guy!! Eight years after Al Quida terrorists destroy world Trade Center on 9/11, The CW Orders A VAMPIRE DIARIES Pilot From That DAWSON’S CREEK Guy!! Twenty-Six years after M*A*S*H concludes, The CW Orders A VAMPIRE DIARIES Pilot From That DAWSON’S CREEK Guy!! Less than a year after Swingtown fails to be renewed, The CW Orders A VAMPIRE DIARIES Pilot From That DAWSON’S CREEK Guy!!
Feb. 6, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST
by There Are Twelve Models
<P>over these books. They came out in the early 90s and therefore predate Twilight. There are parallels to Buffy (red-headed witch best friend) but the books were written first. No vampire detectives here, just a teenage girl obsessed with the new kid in school, who happens to be a 15th century Italian vampire whose older brother is a little, um, competitive. OK so the younger brother is a mushy simp, the older one has no illusions about exactly how evil vampires ought to be.</P> <P>This is what vampires-as-romance for teen girls _should_ be: blooddrinking as an explicit substitute for sex and NO MORMONISM.</P>
Feb. 6, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST
There just aren't enough of those! "tips cap to innovators of show business"
Feb. 6, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST
I never thought the Vampire Diaries series would be good movie or Tv material. Some of LJ Smiths other works maybe but not this. Wow...I guess I'll have to see it.
Feb. 6, 2009, 4:45 p.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
Feb. 6, 2009, 5:12 p.m. CST
by Mr. Profit
The viewing audience online is ridiculous. It rivals the amount of people who watch the show on television. It's buzzworthy with it's target demo. And it frequents the iTunes Top 5 downloaded shows. Gossip Girl changed the way the CW looked at classifying a hit. The problem? Figuring out how to make money off the folk watching online. Advertisers don't care for those people.
Feb. 6, 2009, 5:16 p.m. CST
by Mr. Profit
I loved Buffy, never got into Angel. Let it go. It was too expensive to produce. That's why it was let go. Production costs grow considerably after 5 years on the air. Let's not forget they didn't own it outright. It was 20th Cebtury Fox Television. So licensing fees also come into the equation.
Feb. 6, 2009, 5:33 p.m. CST
by Amy Chasing
The writer of Dawson's Creek is probably a good fit. Make of that what you will.
Feb. 6, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST
by Cotton McKnight
The Doll house or whatever that show is called looks idiotic. I mean, really. Firefly was total crap too. I will give you Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the series) and Angel, but they weren't my kind of shows. Supernatural improves on what Whedon tried to do, in my humble opinion.
Feb. 6, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST
"I'm So Happy 'Cos I'm A Gummy Bear* the series
Feb. 6, 2009, 7:09 p.m. CST
by The Pelti
Who is this Josh Wheldon guys some of you are talking about? And, dear god, really, cancel the best show you've ever had, and a few years later bring back a watered down rip-off. Sounds like something the Sci-fi channel would do.
Feb. 6, 2009, 7:46 p.m. CST
I love Supernatural, don't get me wrong, but it's not an improvement. At most, it's a different beast. First of all, the perspectives are wildly different. Supernatural is a decidedly "male empowerment" show, whereas Buffy obviously did the opposite. Nothing wrong with either approach, but completely different. Second, Supernatural is currently specifically Christian in its mythology, whereas Buffy was non-denominational. Third, other stuff. Because I'm lazy and don't feel like writing more.
Feb. 6, 2009, 7:48 p.m. CST
Better than Buffy in many ways. But best show evar? Nah. That honor belongs to THE PRISONER.
Feb. 6, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST
by A for Aristocrat
Not to interupt the Whedon jerk off but we got Supernatural for Angel. I would take the 3 and a half seasons of Supernatural over the entire run of Angel, Buffy, and Firefly combined. Its just too bad that Supernatural fans have to pop up on other talkbacks about shows cancelled five years ago instead actually having one of its own. And once again....Whedon wants to do more buffy verse stuff. Its not his fault. They only one that will back his work are comic companies. If there was money to be made by having Buffy and Angel on TV, Movies, or Direct DVD it would have happened by now. There just isnt any intrest except by the very vocal Whedon worshipers.
Feb. 6, 2009, 7:54 p.m. CST
was some of the best TV ever.<p> The previous seasons were hit and miss.<br> Esp the eww season
Feb. 6, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST
It has gone on long enough to develop a backstory and for pure eye candy, it's Hoyay! fantastic. But I never felt the underlying metaphor as much as I did with Buffy. To be honest though, I never gave it a chance because it was first marketed like "Charmed" and I fucking detested that show. It did well for the WB, but I fucking hated it. It was stupid. I felt dumber because I tried to watch. It made me dum. <p> Supernatural is no Buffy, or even no Angel, but it is a becoming a show with a decent mythology with seriously AMAZING make-up F/X. My opinion, of course.
Feb. 6, 2009, 9:02 p.m. CST
LJ Smith deserves this. These books have been around forever. Wish it was Nightworld instead though (and no, I'm not a fan of Twilight. *smirk*)
Feb. 6, 2009, 9:29 p.m. CST
saw that there was a market for faux vampire mythos, and repackaged the books...little girls are stupid, but at least they are reading<p>btw, who is bankrolling the cw, cuz those shows get no ratings
Feb. 6, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST
The classic, pre-dracula Euro vampire: Old, smelly, filthy from crawling in and out of the grave, insane-not logical, bent of destruction and the taking of death. In other words, a REAL vampire is a zombie that arises from the grave each night to drink the blood of the living. Also-they carry diseases. This is the vampire movie I am dying to see and forget about all this post Stoker bullshit romanticism about what should be feared, dreaded and revolting.
Feb. 6, 2009, 11:58 p.m. CST
...Man, am I sick of the romantic vampire (and obviously so are a lot of you other TBers). I have to agree with uberman about going back to seeing vampires as scary, dreadful things. I mean, vampirism is supposed to be a curse for f' sakes. <p> That isn't to say I don't understand these gay vampires. I mean, vampirism makes a great metaphor for homosexuality (have to hide their existence, thought of as a curse and abominations by bigoted people, despised by the church, that the love of a vampire is a forbidden thing, etc.) but enough is enough. No more Harlequin vampire romance stories. <p> How about you make something were the vampires are not the main characters or heroes, but instead just the villains and monsters? How about giving me a modern day Captain Kronos - Vampire Hunter?
Feb. 7, 2009, 4:46 a.m. CST
Conde-fucking-cending. Seriously, don't care how much you deride the the subject matter, but you start calling one of the most repetitive target groups "little stupid girls"....you are not the proffesional that I thought you were.
Feb. 7, 2009, 8:24 a.m. CST
Valley Twilight author Stephenie Meyer felt the sharp sting of a poison-tipped Stephen King barb when the horror writer spoke recently to USA Weekend, comparing Meyer to Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling. "Both Rowling and Meyer, they're speaking directly to young people. . . . The real difference is that Jo Rowling is a terrific writer and Stephenie Meyer can't write worth a darn. She's not very good." But King softened the blow, adding, "People are attracted by the stories, by the pace, and in the case of Stephenie Meyer, it's very clear that she's writing to a whole generation of girls and opening up kind of a safe joining of love and sex in those books."
Feb. 7, 2009, 8:43 a.m. CST
I'd like to see an Anita Blake series. Of course it would have to be on cable. Jessica Alba would be perfect for the Anita Blake role.
Feb. 7, 2009, 10:22 a.m. CST
She basically wrote a Harlequin romance novel for tweens. Its cringe-inducingly awful. AWFUL.
Feb. 7, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST
Would love Supernatural. That show is so fucking bad ass. I havn't been so into one show since Angel went off the air. Actualy i like it better than Angel.
Feb. 7, 2009, 4:45 p.m. CST
The reason they didn't call up Joss Whedon is they wanted a successful show that would garner ratings and not get cancelled right away. Dawson's Creek got higher ratings than any show Whedon has done.
Feb. 7, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST
for those of you who didn't like Moonlight, watch it again in re-runs on sci-fi channel as it'll look like genius next to this Vamp diaries.
Feb. 7, 2009, 6:14 p.m. CST
Supernatural turned into a gem of a show, very good most of the time. Are you the son of the Texas surf-twang guit-steel slinger by chance?
Feb. 7, 2009, 6:15 p.m. CST
should be severely beaten around the face and neck and kicked in the kidneys until they piss blood. just a suggestion, mind you.
Feb. 7, 2009, 6:17 p.m. CST
I don't know a straight male who'll get near it. Hell, our gay male friends won't get near it, either, because they're smarter than that, too
Feb. 7, 2009, 7:18 p.m. CST
by alice 13
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Feb. 7, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST
Herc's clearly not still bitter...
Feb. 7, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST
I'd be happy with one when it comes back in March and one for the season finale.<p> Just curious Herc, have you ever watched it? I assume you've at least tried, but it didn't float your boat.
Feb. 8, 2009, 1:02 a.m. CST
Guess not. I suppose now that the execrable "Twilight" is big the CW thinks it can create a teen vampire show to rival it. Er, I have no love for Whedon, but he did do it first, and up until S5 Buffy, his show was the best. And Angel was great while Greenwalt was showrunner. This new series sounds like utter crap, but what else is new for the CW?
Feb. 8, 2009, 9 p.m. CST
Because you know they're gonna.
Feb. 9, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST
Feb. 9, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST
Tim Burton is doing a Dark Shadows movie with, guess who? --Johnny Depp. Supposed to be coming out in 2011.
Feb. 9, 2009, 6:07 p.m. CST
I like Whedon, but he does not fart fucking rainbows. Williamson's Scream screenplay is one of the sharpest scripts of the last 20 years, and Dawsons Creek was a solid show. Yeah, i said it! Fuck you all very much
Feb. 9, 2009, 6:43 p.m. CST
Angel is about as likely to be revived as Deadwood....