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The Two Flynns Of TR2N...
Merrick here...
If you've seen the TR2N teaser/demo real (either at Comic Con, or via its subsequent leak across the Internet), you got a quick glimpse of Jeff Bridges reprising his Flynn character from the first film. And, you would've noted that two incarnations of Bridges were featured in that sequence: Bridges at his current age, AND Bridges appeared in the 1982 film.
Here's a look at what I'm talking about:
IO9 has a quick article about os this is being accomplished:
A source reveals to io9 that Jeff Bridges has been sent up to Canada to be digitized. A plaster cast has been created of Bridges.
Our tipster tells us that:
They will then take that 3D model and make him younger and then slap it on a body double in post.
As this is only one cog in the machine, I can't give a whole lot of detail. Canada scans actors and props to be used for various projects. These are very high resolution scans that pick up every wrinkle, face lift and scar on the actors body.
...says the piece, whose entirety can be found HERE.
Our tipster tells us that:
They will then take that 3D model and make him younger and then slap it on a body double in post.
As this is only one cog in the machine, I can't give a whole lot of detail. Canada scans actors and props to be used for various projects. These are very high resolution scans that pick up every wrinkle, face lift and scar on the actors body.
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Not sure.
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I don't care about TR2N. It's Wednesday for Jacob's sake.
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third
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Better pack an extra pair of socks then, huh?
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because I happen to be somewhere where someone that was there that day and for the scanning of Jeff Bridges wrinkled scarred face is.
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...for all I could make out from that blurry mess. you couldn't find a better quality video?
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but its just not happenning for me, not yet anyways.
Oh, and bytheway I hope the studios start to realize that they need to build more 3D theaters, cuz watching something that you know is supposed to be 3D, not in 3D,is lame, but i don't have a whole lotta choices :( -
Feb 04, 2009 10:32:52 AM CST
Disney need to post a quicktime version of the teaser already!
by judge dredds fresh undies
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If the quality remains the same as the "teaser", then it sounds like they reached a happy in-between for reality/aging & a computer/ageless-world. Any word if Boxleitner is reprising Tron at all? Seems kinda silly if there's not at least a torch-passing (i.e., Alan has left/died, thus so has Tron).
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It takes an entire country?
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that's what really makes that blurry video special
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While I can't say (20+ yrs later) that Tron was the best ever, for it's time, it was pretty cool. And obviously a lot of "regular" folks have a soft spot for it, based on the CC-reactions last year.
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Surely, this can only be a good thing.
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This is what everyone is hoping is done for T4
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I'm excited to see this! I hope it doesn't suck...
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This random but true thought came to my mind today, on my way back home from work.
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...because I LOVE the first TRON movie. And Jeff Bridges. Great dude!
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Feb 04, 2009 10:50:37 AM CST
And holy mother of fuck, that lightcycle sequence...
by motoko kusanagi
...gave me goosebumps. Literally.
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I second that Dr Who notion. Never thought of it before but it would be great.
I am jazzed up for Tron 2 but I wonder what the true Box Office capabilities are. The first one bombed after all in the early 80s. It's not my money, spend away. I'm in for 20 bucks, 10 for a theatre ticket and 10 for the DVD. -
Though I think those will be Euros, not Dollars. ;-)
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What a country! But I read about these scans everytime a big fx movie comes out, they sound great but ultimately the scan is only as good as the CGI tech that can reproduce it. We'll see, I just don't want anymore burly brawls.
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or could you J2ff Bid2es?
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If not they're raping my childhoo.
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movie will bomb though
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Where are you paying ten bucks for brand new Disney DVDs...especially when in 2 1/2 years when TR2N is actually on DVD itll probbaly be Blu-Ray only? You must be gong 3 1/2 years in the future when its the bargain bin next to Speed Racer.
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Am I the only geek who does not like Tron? I could never buy into the whole fantasy world existing inside a computer. It is just circuits and wires to me.
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Gotta be said
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is brillant...if my hero Eric Roberts could be a Master then there is no reason why Bridges couldn't be the DoctorI have a rule about any of the Bridges, they just make anything tey appear in better, kind of like Roger Ebert's Harry Dean Staton rule. So will two Jeff Bridges makes this doublely better
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...but where is the high quality teaser? It's been quite a few months since July... I don't think it's that much to ask, Disney.
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Digital scan of is face. Wow. How cutting edge. Also, there's no rage rant, so what's the point?
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...or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
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But this one might force me to rewatch and see if i can maybe like it a little, in order to then move onto the cooler lookin sequel. BTW that copy of the clip was fucking awful, i couldnt tell it was a younger Jeff Bridges??
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Sorry, I can't even remember what I was writing.
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within 10 seconds. Just like when I saw the original movie.
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I don't get the nostalgia except from then 6 year olds who saw it and were taken with the pretty colorful flashing lights.
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Just don't remember much, because they were being molested by their uncles in the theater.
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You gotta respect the DP!
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Is that how you pronounce the title?
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What matters is TRON was a huge milestone in CGI. So long as the plot's good enough to make a number of critics misty-eyed, it should do respectably.
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That's how you pronounce it.
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...for a great movie, or movies. The original Tron was missing certain important beats in its execution...ala a reason for the hero and the villain to hate each other, and at a really powerful emotional level...and strong love between the hero, and a female interest...instead, that was shown in a secondary relationship. The film also was missing humor. There were a few attempts at slap stick, but there wasn't anything the audience could really laugh at, or with???Audience participation in the film going experience is essential, without it, you lose your audience in terms of their emotional investment, they walk-out of a film not caring about the proceedings, if they are made to feel like observers, and not direct...participants. You have to shake an audience, make them laugh, cry, thrill them, invest them romantically, sexually, and make them want to cheer for the hero, and look forward to seeing the villain do his evil deeds...and that is what Tron was missing. The film was missing joy...and a pulse...and save for the light cycles, the film moved incredibly slow...in terms of action. So perhaps this time around, that will change, and we will see a difference...perhaps the filmmakers will add those missing beats to make this film more accessible to audiences, and to better help them emotionally connect to the characters and the overall story, and its arcs by giving them a reason to care?? Anyway, let's hope so. To make people give a damn, there have to be consequences in the computer world, for our real life reality, to inform the audience that this isn't just a fight in a video game or the virtual world, it's your fight too.
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...abides. That is all.
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It's a boring, and slow movie...with very little story. I've heard that there was a secret about Harrison Ford's character that was not explored in the original, a twist that was to be exposed at the end of the film but was cut out of the film, the fact that he turns out to be a bio android. It would be nice to see a fast moving action packed sequel, where he is outed and must go on the run with his lover, also a bio android...as human hunters, including Edward James Olmost, pursue them. Don't get me wrong, the look of Blade Runner was great...but the story was banal and didn't justify a movie. A sequel, as I outlined it, would justify a movie...as it would inform us about a bio android and their wanting to live and feeling descriminated against, from the inside of their perspective, and not as the villains this time, but as the misunderstood heroes, and that would be intriguing to see the story turned 180 degrees. This film should be the difference between Alien, and Aliens, in terms of action...Blade Runner 2 being the latter.
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...but I reserve judgement by grounding myself in reality due to it still being a Disney production. *cough* witch mountain
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You know this to be true.
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About the quality of a movie, especially if they have to release all the different versions of it in a dvd box set just make people happy. Blade Runner was mediocre at best. Hell, how many different version are there of Highlander 2?
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of that video available? none shittier than that? because i can make out moving forms still in that one.
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I will seriously schedule a boxing match with anyone that says Blade Runner is "mediocre".
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And fails to achieve it. Seriously. It looks good, but there are so many structural problems with that movie. It bombed at the box office for a reason.
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So, his dick will play a featured role in this....?
Wha?
Not THAT kind of plaster cast?
never mind.
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jodet: "hey! who just kicked me in my tiny balls?"
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all the Tron peoples will unite against the world threatening crisis
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"Blade Runner aspires to mediocrity"
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All my best to the cast and crew of TR2N !
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now THIS is a movie I can get behind and be excited about!
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I think that most of the Tron haters aren't seeing the movie in its context. It was 1982, everyone knew about computers, but since very few people had one in their homes, they were pretty mysterious to most people. The idea of "thinking machines" was pretty mind blowing to lots of people, scary to others (hence movies like Terminator and War Games). At that time, no movie had addressed the mystique of computer technology, so the idea that maybe programs were like little people running around in a digital world was pretty cool. Also, in 1982 nothing like this had ever been done with CGI, and it had a really different look to it.
When I saw Tron, I was 11, and it blew my mind. I wanted to go live in that world, or at least have a cool, glow-y game warrior costume.
Oh and Blade Runner is an absolute. It is objectively, intrinsically awesome. Your believing it to be not awesome does not alter its awesomeness. So there. -
I probably could've paid for my kids college tuition with the $ I pumped into that thing in the early 80's
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The movie wasn't about action and wasn't written for short attention spans. It tried to suggest that a being could move beyond the sum of their experience and transcend the nature of their birth. But I suspect you didn't pay enough attention to catch it. I'd suggest you read a book occasionally, but you're obviously MUCH too busy masturbating to the latest Brittney Spears vid. As for the original Tron... the story tried to indicate that, in an emotionless landscape of logic and response, that the programs were each evolving and taking on aspects of their creators. Hence the attraction between Boxleitner's 'Tron' & Cindy Morgan's 'Yori'. Non-emotional beings coming to terms with inexplicable changes to the basic nature of their existence. Now you can go back to your 'Fast & Furious' collection and masturbate to your hearts content.
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That teaser gets me every time. Is the music from Mass Effect? I hope they manage to pull it off. I watched the original recently and it holds up quite nice. Having a proper sequel ala Aliens would be just dandy. Bladerunner is indeed a classic, but anyone's opinion of it is no more correct than yours. Mine included. I know this because I happen to be somewhere where someone that was there that day and for the Bladerunner shoot is.
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The movie is perfect on a visual level and works great on a philosophical level, but is a mess on a narrative level. Sorry, but just because something is full of fascinating subtext and thought provoking ideas, it doesn't mean it's good.
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Surely he can do better than being in Stargate and Desperate Housewives
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There's just something about that teaser that gives me that little electric shiver racing up my spine like a mini geekgasm. Originally, the idea of a Tron sequel - especially after all these years - sounded like the most retarded concept ever, an idea that was at least 25 years too late to be relevant, but that teaser, the look, the vibe, totally hooks me. I can't wait to see more.
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Tron was very creative and forward-looking for it's time. Not a great film, but a fun one nonetheless. This new one is shaping up to be something interesting. Sounds like they're serious about honoring the original while updating it. Jeff Bridges is the MAN! Can't wait to see it!
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Someone had to say it
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over at Coax so people will stop bitching about there not being one. And I for one am looking forward to this flick ... I loved the original Tron. They should definately cast Scarlett Johannson in it, and then digitize her tits, since it's the only way she's going to let us see those things (a la Winona Ryder in A Scanner Darkly)
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...because you don't believe this fantasy world could exist inside the computer because it is all circuits and stuff. Please tell me you don't like Narnia then either...I mean I suppose that a fantasy world couldn't exist in a wardrobe. And I guess Lost too...because this "fantasy" island that can be moved could not possibly exist either. Oh...and I suppose Star Wars sucks too because this fantasy galaxy could not have existed a LONG time ago...
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iz 2nites epysode gonna bee goode?
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Actually, I have no idea.
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BLADE RUNNER, a movie masterpiece, did not bomb at the BO because it's a mediocre movie. It bombed because it was too dark and intelligent for a dumb summer audience that loved a crappy borefest called E.T.In that very same summer, THE THING bombed, too. And don't you dare to call that one mediocre, too. I dare you! I double dare you, mofo! Say mediocre one more goddamn time!
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Fucking Bullshit!!!! You mean ILM couldn't do this to put shatner in the new AbercrobieTrek90210???
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Please do not bash on ET. What did the little guy ever do to you. It's one of my fav films of all time. So is Blade Runner. ET makes me cry every time I watch it. Film is about perfect to me.
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...bring on the fucking squid! Then we'll talk classic-ness
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Back when tron came out, My friends and I would get our frisbees and play "Tron" in the front yard. You'd throw the frisbee and try to hit someone, they could deflect with their frisbee. It was sweet!
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because it was Harrison Ford's follow up to Empire and Raiders, and Blade Runner was not the rollicking action flick audiences came to expect. Stoopid monkeys.
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I would guess that was a part of the reason. But honestly there were many:
1. The lack of action for those who were expecting Ford to be typecast
2. The requirement of people to have to think a little
3. The not so good theatrical cut...I mean I think EVERYONE prefers one of the alternative cuts to the theatrical cut...or am I alone here?
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I don't get this film at all..i mean when tron came out it was quite revoloutionary..even john lasseter was inspired to form pixar from it but i just can't see they can deliver something as special and innovative again. It will jsut look like any other special fx movie !! the story was never anything special..it was always the look of the film rather than the story that was special..i dunno why the geeks at comic con were cheering this..the mind boggles!
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Skimm...you are correct; but there is a really a very obvious reason it bombed: it was R rated. Harrison Ford (and sci fi in general) were not very accessible commodities in terms of available marketshare (those with an R rating). So, Ford was put into a good but R rated film which played against type and market; he was a "PG" commodity...an 'everyman' that was reasonably 'family friendly' (as far as action and sci fi performances); so ultimately the rating stifled the available audience.
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1982...Blade Runner was a stylish but empty, obscure, and PRETENTIOUS movie for most people, and Tron just didn't have any emotional flow, accessible action, or coherence (for the masses)... But both were cool visually. Blade Runner really picked up its legendary status in the late 80's as far as I can tell. But I know a lot of people thought it was cheesy with its smokey glamor and poetic cryptic elements, cheesy like a techni nightclub or a goth person. That was a GREAT genre summer, Star Trek II, ET, Poltergeist, Blade Runner, The Thing, Tron... what am I missing? I personally like both Blade Runner and Tron, but I remember my numb first viewings, and understand why they did not do that well. People weren't going to get excited by high concept scifi that was almost abstract in its presentation of the storyline.
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It's true, we all take turns.
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Looking forward to this flick.
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Is that actually what the blue warrior is saying? Lord, how lame.
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...in your computer.
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Bridges is such a bad-ass.
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nothing to see here
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Its an out of context quote from the show Lost...
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...it just wasn't stupid, that's all. The film had no real perspective. It was overlong and boring...and went no where. As far as the story goes, it could have been any trivial cop drama, anywhere...but in this case, it was just placed in the future, end of story. Any super intellectual subtext that others have added in their own minds to justify that vacuous movie, is just that. It was nice looking, and well acted...but empty.
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Feb 04, 2009 6:15:11 PM CST
I love this trailer! When the hell are we gonna get it in HQ????
by orionsangels
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Current recognitions for Blade Runner include:
In 2007, the American Film Institute listed it as the 97th greatest film of all time.
In 2008, Blade Runner was voted the sixth best science fiction film ever made as part of the AFI's 10 Top 10.
Blade Runner is currently ranked the third best film of all time by The Screen Directory.
One of Time's 100 All-Time best movies.
Los Angeles Film Critics Association Award for Best Cinematography, 1982
Three BAFTA film awards (best cinematography, costume design, art design), 1983
Hugo Award- Best Dramatic Presentaion, 1983
It has been nominated for the following awards:
Two Academy Award nominations(1983)
Best Art Direction-Set Decoration and Best Visual Effects
Golden Globe nomination for best original score
Five other BAFTA nominations
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People that hate the original "Tron" didn't first see it while tripping on massive amounts of acid while the movie played on a broken VCR that played the movie at twice-normal speed with audio.
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Everyone go rent Tron, somewhere, and see it for what it truly is: an average sci/fi at best. Bladerunner, however, truly is a masterpiece, and one of the best sci/fi movies ever made. I hope that Tron II, or TR2N (how stupid) does something completely different than the original. If it gets some good reviews, I will see it. Jeff Bridges is a nice guy, but we are done professionally.
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Holy shit this site has been posting some non-news as of late. Jeez!
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This IMO was due to it's film noir sensibilities, which most audiences were not expecting from a Harrison Ford sci-fi movie. It's slow, methodical pacing (a.k.a. "boring", and "overlong" on this TB) was intentional and part of the film noir conventions.
There is a reason this film has a large following, and this did not develop long after the film's release. From the post of awards above, you will note that the movie was appreciated in 1982/1983. The film was, frankly, ahead of its time, and its vision, prescience and groundbreaking effects and futurism still hold up today, and are still appreciated by many.
And the line about the intellectual subtexts being imagined by its audience- hogwash. The screenplay was adapted from a short story by Phillip K. Dick, who is no intellectual slouch. The subtexts are quite obvious for educated and observant, not the least of which are the themes of man's struggle with his own mortality, and the exploration of what it means to be human. It's all right there on the screen, my friends.
So please tell us some more about your delusions regarding this film being boring, simple-minded, etc. The minority opinion deserves to be heard, no matter how uniformed.
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first, you had to have seen it on the big screen (hopefully they will release a restored, enhanced version prior to the sequel second, it came out during the genesis of the pc revolution and dealt with concepts that most had never heard of...including the whole deal of a gaming revolution it was a fun movie, and this sequel has a built in audience spanning two generations...and many parents are gonna be dragging their kids, as well as grandparents dragging the grandkids so fuck off and die...thank you
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So many of you have bought into this hype. Blade Runner is missing a soul, a heart, and a mind. It is just a safe non offensive speculative fiction for pseudo intellectuals.
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It's in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
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Feb 04, 2009 7:52:07 PM CST
Media Messiah gotta hate cause you gotta be different?
by murdermostfowl
Anyone who says that Blade Runner is missing a soul didn't pay attention very much during the movie.
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PKD is a pseudo-intellectual? Have you read anything by the man?
And please, enlighten us with your opinion: what are your favorite films in the sci-fi genere- you know, the soulful, offensive ones preferred by true intellectuals like?
Apparently AFI is full of pseudo-intellects by the way, as out of the thousands and thousands of films (in any genere) they chose to put Blade Runner in the top 100. Guess they bought the hype too.
Please, go back and watch The Last Starfighter or Cloverfield again, and spare us your ill-conceived, erroneous, non-intellectual rantings about a film that you are obviously to ADHD-afflicted to appreciate. -
Many folks, including Sir Ridley and Ford, rag about the voice-over. But, again, first person narration by the protagonist is part of the noir conventions. I only dislike the narration over the final scenes, which seems like a recap for confused viewers.
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Feb 04, 2009 8:05:31 PM CST
True Intellectual Science Fiction, And Speculative Science
by media messiah
The original Twilight Zone is brlliant...and Blade Runner doesn't come close. Twilight Zone had something to say about the human, and even perhaps, other than human, experience. It was about all facets of life and existence. It covered war, racism, and social religious, and sexual politics of all kinds, and it did it from an enlightened perspective. Blade Runner just showed us some non human badies who were butchered by a hunter, and probably deserved it. From there, the status quo was kept, and nothing learned...just that in life, there is brutality. Well, we already know that. So point of lesson, obvious to everyone, before lesson even started.Another great science fiction/speculative fiction piece, is Silent Running. Again, better than Blade Runner. That film is about self sacrifice and even murder, in the name of a greater goal, this planet's last remainng legacy. While saying something great, and predicting many of the things that we are now going through with the collapse of our eco system, Silent Running, works as a cautionary tale that begs us to preserve our planet...where as Blade Runner says, "Hey, status quo".
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Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the darkness at Tan Hauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain. Time to die"
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Don't blame me that Harrison Ford's character wasn't shown as being a bio android, blame the filmmakers for chopping that out and making the story largely irrelevant thanks to that part of the story being edited out. That isn't my fault, and I am not assailing the author, but the studio messed up by knocking out that detail, which would have completely change our look at the film, the story, and its characters.
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...although The Last Starfighter was well executed cute fun..and there is a place for that, for the family audience. Cloverfield just seems like a meanspirted (in tone) gimmick to me.
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but you are ignoring the fact that all the themes you mention are present and accounted for in Blade Runner as well. They just don't hit you over the head with a sledge hammer. Blade Runner has quite a bit more to say than "Bad guys die at hands of cop." I've never heard the movie reduced to such a simplistic idea, even by its harshest critics.
Consider Dekard's character arc, he sees replicants as soul-less machines at the outset. They are basically slaves (and you can take that for the subtext it implies). What he hasn't appreciated (but is starting to) is that HE is the soul-less one, despite his being a human. Through his interaction with Rachael and the other replicants he sees that they have humanity as well...
"I don't know why he saved my life. Maybe in those last moments he loved life more than he ever had before. Not just his life - anybody's life, my life. All he'd wanted were the same answers the rest of us want. Where did I come from? Where am I going? How long have I got? All I could do was sit there and watch him die."
That, Messiah, is a real character arc, layered, complex and subtle in its progress. If you can't appreciate that, I can't make it any clearer.
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Ridley only came out with that after the film's release. He never discussed that prior to the first director's cut, and Ford was never told about this during the shoot.
The unicorn scene that appeared in the director's cut was meant to suggest that Deckard was a rep (it's a dream Deckard has, implanted like Rachael's childhood memories). Gaff leaves an origami unicorn outside Deckards apartment. The significance: he presumably was privy to Deckard's memories as part of his job, and he wanted to convey to Deckard his true identity. Also, he believes both Deckard and Rachael have incep dates approaching, therefore, why not let them go?
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It is a literate science fiction film, thematically enfolding the philosophy of religion and moral implications of human mastery of genetic engineering in the context of classical Greek drama and hubris,[46] and draws on Biblical images, such as Noah's flood,[47] and literary sources, such as Frankenstein.[48] Linguistically, the theme of mortality is subtly reiterated in the chess game between Roy and Tyrell based on the famous Immortal game of 1851,[49] though Scott has said that was coincidental.[50]
Dr Tyrell polarizing his office window to control the Sun implies the god-like powers of the Tyrell Corporation.Blade Runner delves into the implications of technology on the environment and society by reaching to the past, using literature, religious symbolism, classical dramatic themes, and film noir. This tension, among past, present, and future is seen in the retrofitted future of Blade Runner, which is high-tech and gleaming in places but elsewhere decayed and old. Interviewing Ridley Scott in 2002, reporter Lynn Barber in The Observer described the film as: "extremely dark, both literally and metaphorically, with an oddly masochistic feel". Director Scott said he "liked the idea of exploring pain" in the wake of his brother's skin cancer death. "When he was ill, I used to go and visit him in London, and that was really traumatic for me."[8]
A perceptively high level of paranoia exists in the cinematic manifestation of corporate power, omnipresent police, probing lights, and in the power over the individual – especially represented by genetic programming of replicants. Control over the environment is large scale, hand in hand with the absence of any natural life, and with artificial animals substituting for the extinct originals. This oppressive backdrop clarifies why people are migrating to off-world colonies.[51] The film also makes extensive use of eyes for a variety of themes and manipulated images to call into question reality and our ability to accurately perceive and remember it.[52][53][54]
These thematic elements provide an atmosphere of uncertainty for Blade Runner's central theme of examining humanity. In order to discover replicants, an empathy test is used with a number of questions focused on the treatment of animals, thus making it the essential indicator of someone's "humanity". The replicants are juxtaposed with human characters who lack empathy, while the replicants appear to show compassion and concern for one another at the same time as the mass of humanity on the streets is cold and impersonal.
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can they please spell it Tron 2 and not TR2N. The latter sucks balls.
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why did the term "De-Rez" never catch on? I still use it after all these years
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Lucas dropped the ball (mostly) on the Star Wars prequels. It's time for a new fantasy series to pick it up and run with it. I personally don't like sword fighting epics, so Tron could be the next cool "thing". My 7 year old watches it on his PSP all the time and really likes it. He doesn't like the Star Wars prequels but loves Star Wars ep IV.....Go figure. I think it's a good time for Tron 2. It's like The Matrix for a younger generation. Just give me one of those updated Light Cycle toys to display!
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But the things they did with digital effects and computerization (given that most of us were on a TI-994A at the time, if we were lucky) was truly groundbreaking. It's still a one-of-a-kind visual experience, 25+ years later.
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I've had a few beers, but I'm cool to drive.
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FUCK?
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And I'd like to form an unholy alliance with you.
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even blurred, that short clip was better than most of the supposed sci-fi released in the last five years. as for M M and the rest of the TRON/BLADERUNNER detractors - just poke your eyes out; they're of no use to you
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naked big tittied neon chicks fucking. What could be better?
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Think what this movie would be like if Jeff played it as The Dude this time around...'Careful man, there's a lightcycle here!'
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In the last 12 months on this site I've seen people dissing The Godfather Parts 1 & 2, Casablanca, Alien, Star Wars (Ep IV), The Thing and now Blade Runner! What the fuck is going on here folks?
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Looked great, I just hope it doesnt suffer from Godzilla/Ecks vs. Sever (or whatever it was called) syndrome AKA "great trailer/teaser, ass movie"
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Now I can't get it out of my head that the energy they drank out of the energy stream tastes like a White Russian.
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Didn't know what to think about TRON when it first came out...then had the opportunity to see it on a giant screen in 70mm--(back when it first came out)...that changed everything! Loved it! Love the music! Can't wait for the new one!
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Hating on The Dark Knight, and now Blade Runner. It's not overrated, you're just a fucking moron.
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"Don't blame me that Harrison Ford's character wasn't shown as being a bio android, blame the filmmakers for chopping that out and making the story largely irrelevant thanks to that part of the story being edited out." They leave it deliberately vauge, to open it up to discussion and make it more interesting to the audience. As we saw in your Dark Knight criticisms (that the film needed more time commited to witty love triangles, ala Buffy) your horrid, retarded taste gets in the way of your critical faculties.
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...But the Twilight Zone is many, many hours of television. Blade Runner is a self contained 2 hours of story. I can just write Twilight Zone off as being cheap junk when stacked next to the collected works of Shakespear, Dickens and Dick. It doesn't make any sense. Blade Runner did what it set out to do, which was discuss what makes us human using a dystopian police procedural as its hanger better than any science fiction motion picture that I can think of right now. Although I'm sure some one will correct me on that.
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You probably loved Wall E too.
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"A sequel, as I outlined it, would justify a movie...as it would inform us about a bio android and their wanting to live and feeling descriminated against, from the inside of their perspective, and not as the villains this time, but as the misunderstood heroes, and that would be intriguing to see the story turned 180 degrees." No that wouldn't make it justifiable. That would make it retarded juvenile schmaltzy cliched crap. You are right about one thing though Messiah, with your shallow, tasteless and intelligent deficient observations you SHOULD be working for a major Hollywood studio.
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Get the Tron guy!
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the site certainly lives up to the "Cool news" element.
For something like TR2N, I don't object to motion casting. Somehow, it seems perfect.
And I hope they show just how this was done on the dvd.
But hey, 2 Jeff Bridges in one movie?
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While I agree there is no amazing sophisticated plot development in this movie, I must say that Blade Runner always works for me each time I watch it because of its blues. It makes you wonder "Am I really the one I think I am?". Watching BR is like listening to Miles Davis.
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if Joan Baez hadn't stabbed it to death with her voice.
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will be hard to duplicate in this day and age. A big part of Tron is the idea of man as god, and the overthrow of the MCP regime. Pretty graphics and action won't be enough to carry a sequel.
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Disney knows the crappy video is out there, why not release a good copy of the test footage and why is no one asking for it?
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Feb 05, 2009 9:23:03 AM CST
i think you had to be a certain type of nerd to love the 1st Tro
by timelord-2112
Sad to say but it is possible Tr2n could bomb, it depends on how they handle it of course. I think the people doing the new movie know what they are doing if the test footage is any indication. What people aren’t getting is that the original Tron was not an oscar worthy film to be sure, but it was groundbreaking in so many ways. This was an era before everyone had a portable computer attached to their butts. I was one of the few kids I knew that actually owned a computer at the time so the movie did wonders for my imagination. Add to that two very good Tron arcade games and you had a huge impact on my life in the 80’s. Not everyone understands it wasn’t all about the acting quality of the movie.
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Is there any chance those pesky Canadians can make Bridges speak a bit clearer? Dude often sounds like he's swallowed a used condom...
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...and I think I ruined your roommate's bathrooooobe.
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I liked the orginal "Tron," but found myself yawning and clicking off that video after about fifteen seconds.
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Nicely put,TheManBehindTheMask.
I sense there are individuals here that would prefer the "Theme From CHiPs", however...sheesh. -
all the CGI has been rendered on an old Amstrad CPC in order to keep continuity with the first movie.
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Kids are just too sophisticated to imagine that little humans can exist within a computer nowadays.
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Yeah, I went to the set,” said Steven Soderbergh, when Total Film quizzed him recently. “I can tell you that shit was mindblowing. The shit I saw was crazy. Like, craaaazy.I I think it’s gonna be gigantic. It’s gonna be another one of those benchmarks. There’s gonna be Before that movie and After.” WHAT YA SAY ABOUT THAT MOTHERFUCKERS
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He is the man. Trying to control my excitement for Avatar since it's so far away. But DAMN it sounds awesome.
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My 3 favorite films are Lawrence of Arabia, Citizen Kane and North By North West...so you can't call me an idot based on me pointing out that Dark Knight is a weak film that got a pass because Heath Ledger (a nice guy) died...and that Blade Runner is a boring film without a point...and or, point of view.As for The (original) Twilight Zone, forget the whole series, I can put up any one episode of the Twilight Zone, against Blade Runner and it will still be a better work on a intellectual level. "To Serve Man" for instance, that episode communicated so much in such a short time, with no real budget, no top stars, just a brilliant and sophisticated plot, smart direction..., wonderful acting, and a twist ending that scares the hell out of you. Blade Runner however, had the smart director, it had the wonderful acting...it had stars, it was just missing a meaty plot, and dialogue with a soul. In all its griminess, it was emotionally sterile. Even George Lucas' intentionally sterile THX-1138 had more of a soul, and more real, and emoted emotion, and that is my point. Blade Runner was just a cold procedural cop movie...that just happened to be set in the future...and that is something that critics can easily accept...rather than something with a more broad tapestry, one which dares to challenge central ideas of our paradigm, like saying, at a time when it was not considered okay, a movie that shouted out clearly that corporate greed is killing our planet, this, the message of Silent Running. Now that was bold. Harrison Ford killing a bunch of run away slaves...who happened to be thrill killing murderers, not so bold. -
Cut and paste the address below... and place it into your internet navigator to go to the link...but prior, make sure you remove any spaces that may appear in the address as it will give you an error warning on your navigator, as well as a corrupted address field. http://www.cbs.com/classics/the_twilight_zone/video/video.php?cid=649562032&pid=EhJkGeNGuUqJfc9CCfD81h6TpxCIglq1
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TBers' eyeballs are as good as fucked ^_^
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someone names a few classic films as their favorites doesn't mean they can't still be an idiot (or should i say IDOT, and rest my case). it could mean they're just old.
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brilliant self serving drivel...
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Qauntize that, and put some EQ on it.
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Orcus thinks you missed the entire point of Blade Runner which was "what does it mean to be human", which was just put within the framework if a Future-Noir cop movie. The main point the movie was trying to bring about was how were replicants with false memories more capable of emotion than a human. The movie was not about corporate greed although it was in the background. They recently released the uber dvd set with several cuts of the film, you may wish to make it a netflix night and check out the directors commentaries. And yes the old TZ eps were amazing in their economy of storytelling. Or course the exposition intros do help :)
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For us to really explore the question of what is it like to be human, you need the revelation of Harrison Ford's character realizing that he is a replicant. If I had written it...I would have had Rutger Hauer's character, and the other replicants, find-out Deckard's (Ford's) secret as he learns that secret...and now, it isn't only about him trying to kill the villains for his job anymore, now, he has to kill them before they have a chance to expose his secret, as revenge. From there, we would have had the opportunity to look through his eyes...as he deals with the aftermath of the revelation that he is one of the people who he has been killing for money, for years, and not giving a damn. We should have seen him questioning his existence and whether he has a soul, or is he just a machine that will whither and stop working, having no other purpose? Does he know what it is to live...did he ever really know...or is it all just an artifact of computer programming??? This would also give him the empathy for his lover that he didn't have. Before she was a tool, a sex toy, whom he really showed no empathy for, at least, not as much as he might show a human female. Deckard, learning that he is in her shoes...would have an altered way of thinking and his perceptions, about what is right, and what is wrong, and is it okay to treat these machines as slaves, and are they really alive...and should they seek freedom...and does anyone have the right to kill them? Were the replicants he was tracking, and killing, right to kill, and flee??? Now, that would be a story worthy to tell, the one we got is just a overlong set-up, a concept in search of a 2nd and 3rd act. I say...cut down much of what we saw, the slow build-up that often told us nothing, and add what we needed to see, as I have outlined. To better understand these questions about what it is to be human, you have to allow the audience to live vicariously through your hero, as they sympathize with what he is going through, then such questions start to impact the audience on a personal level, begging them to ask, "What is it to be human?" and "What if you were in his shoes?" Without that bridge in the story, you are just on the outside looking in, and you can't really care about the fears of the replicants, as you were never forced, or asked, to relate to them or their plight by the filmmakers. And that is the problem with Blade Runner.
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While that is a damn good premise that you have, part of the movie was figuring out if Deckard ws human, depending on which cut was viewed you either had it as ambiguous or definite. Case and point all the replicants had that weird red eye glow in certain scenes which Deckard shared, that and the fact that the total tally of replicants that escaped was never fully reconciled, leaving the audience to wonder if Deckard was the final replicant. Now in the Final cut, Ridly Scott actually went on the record that Deckard was the final Replicant. In addition this was the point of putting in the Unicorn Dream Sequence Which tied it to Gaff's Oragami of a Unicorn, and his final line, which told the Audience that he knew Deckards Secret.
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