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George Clooney May Play Navy Lawyer In Big-Screen Gitmo Courtroom Drama From A FEW GOOD MEN Screenwriter Aaron Sorkin!!
I am – Hercules!!
The great Aaron (not Alan) Sorkin, who first made his mark on cinema with “A Few Good Men,” has scripted “The Challenge,” about a Navy lawyer representing Osama Bin Laden’s driver, who was imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay for five years.
It’s based on Jonathan Mahler’s book The Challenge: Hamdan v. Rumsfeld and the Fight over Presidential Power.
Fans of “A Few Good Men” will recall the Tom Cruise/Jack Nicholson movie was about a Navy lawyer exposing dark deeds committed at Guantanamo Bay.
George Clooney, whose prior big-screen directorial efforts include the excellent Charlie Kaufman-scripted “Confessions of a Dangerous Mind,” as well as “Good Night, and Good Luck” and “Leatherheads,” wants to direct and play the lawyer, according to Tuesday morning’s Variety.
“Leatherheads” was written by one the “Arli$$” writers, so Sorkin’s hiring may reflect a lesson taken away from that project.
Sorkin also wrote the A-plus movies “An American President” and “Charlie Wilson’s War,” as well as the TV series “Sports Night,” “The West Wing” and “Studio 60 On The Sunset Strip.”
Find all of Variety’s story on the matter here.
"Who's going to do it?? You?? You, Lieutenant Weinberg??"
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...ORDER THE CODE RED? YOU'RE GOD DAMN RIGHT I DID!
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I love me some Sorkin.
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Television needs more Dan Rydells and Josh Lymans.
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him, Soderbergh, Malick, those are the only 3 filmmaker/writers about whom I can say that I will see ANYTHING they do.
Sorkin, at his best, is one of the best screenwriters of this generation. a passable script for the west wing is better than 95% of the movies that come out. and he wrote dozens of them...and under time crunches. and AFTER doing crack!I know this one is going to bring the right wing naysayers out of the virtual woodwork, but Sorkin is never bad. you might say he's too liberal, too wordy, too this or that, but he's NEVER bad. I defy anyone to try to claim that Sorkin, for whatever issue you might have with him, has ever been a bad writer. -
The U.S. soldiers watching over the terrorists are EVIL, while the prisoners are innocent/misunderstood and/or victims of U.S. torture/oppression. See how George Clooney's signed on, this is just a guess on my part.
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Feb 02, 2009 11:21:19 PM CST
I'm sure this will be as successful as the other anti-war movies
by catlettuce4
Lions for Lambs, Stop-Loss, Redacted, Valley of Eljah...all did boffo at the box office and I'm sure that this will...what...those movies all bombed....oh, damn.
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...our military for protecting us from the scumbags in Al-Qaeda and held in Guantanemo Bay, THAT would be Cool News. This is simply more of the same old Anti-American crap they've been pumping out for years and which the American public's been avoiding like the plague.
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He inserted his lame rationalization for his drug use as a plot point in Studio 60. Danny Trip said that him taking drugs essentially wasn't a big deal cause it only affected him and no one else. Tell that to those who have to live with drug addicts. And some people don't get to use their residuals from "A Few Good Men" to feed their habit, they get their cash through far more nefarious means.BTW its was that episode of Studio 60 that made me realize that show was not long for this world. When you have the cast of a faux SNL speaking as if they're saving the world with every show they put on, you know you've become a little too self-important.
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...doing the same thing over and over again, hoping for a different result, like making anti war/anti American movies that people stay away from in droves.
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Could not have put it better myself... those guys are gods. Any work they do, I'm interested by default.
BTW: Along with Sorkin's freebase habit... didn't he get pinched in LAX with shrooms... that's probably why his work is so innovative. -
I WANT THE TRUTH!
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But then again so is Robert Downey Jr., and you people all love him. A Few Good IronmanIt's what the world needs.
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lets glorify terrorists. I am truly living in the twilight zone.
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I sent these unmasked pics of Rorshach pictures to Harry 12 hours ago! Why haven't you posted them Harry? They're fucking awesome.
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Americans are evil and need to be purged from the earth. Glad I have Hollywood to show me the way.
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Why must George make South Park visit this territory again....
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Seriously, what's up with that anti-American Geneva Convention? Silly anti-American Continental Congress! Batshit crazy Gettysburg Address!! Double-U Tee Eff, Martin Luther King!!! TALKBACKERS know what's up.
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It's alright to be funny in a drama, even flat out hilarious. TV today confuses drama with grim seriousness, and confuses development with cliffhangers. I'd like to see more television with fully fleshed out dimensions and characters, rather than the writer's shorthand everything tries to get away with these days. Especially since HBO seems to have dropped out of the game these days.
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He'll never be a sketch writer. The sketches on Studio 60 were terrible.
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Don't get me wrong, i thought Confession was a really great film, but there Clooney has to share credit with Kaufman and Rockwell. Could it of bee an equally great film with someone else at the helm? Maybe.Maybe Not. But GoodNight and Leatherheads were OK but not great. So all in all i'm leary of george as a director, i'd rather he just act. That being said, i like sorkin, but i'm not holding my breathe.
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Sometimes I hate you Liberals just so much...
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Blah!
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Nyuk, nyuk.
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this horse has bee pounded so far into the ground it's become fertilizer.
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please enlighten me Clooney. Lets put that semester at Northern Kentucky U to use!
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All these conservatives popping up to spout the same rhetoric from the last eight years just makes me laugh. "Torture? Holding people without trial? Nothin' wrong with it that, you evil Hollywood America-haters! The war was justified! We're fightin'em over there, so..."
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They earned their fuck-you money long, long ago. They have the freedom to decide what subjects to spend their precious and limited time on. And they choose this predictable, masturbatory pap. Please fellas, just go the extra mile: make it black and white with shaky cam, play some Lux Aeterna in the trailer, tell one side of the story, make the terrorists bad guys who still deserve equal protection OR WE WILL HAVE LET THEM WIN. In other words, don't make this McMessage Movie all half-ass.
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Could you be any more condescending?
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His best movie: "The American President". That's right, a romantic comedy. Great movie and I think his best overall script.
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I'm holding out for that title. THE CHALLENGE is not very distinctive.
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LOL! Talk about getting acted off the screen
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Feb 03, 2009 1:26:27 AM CST
They should change it and make it about Tom Daschles driver
by somashine
Yeah you know, the 2nd person in Obama's cabinet who decided they didnt have to pay taxes.
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Never seen him turn in something bad. Never seen him turn in something worth watching more than once. A Few Good Men is one great scene surrounded by an episode of Jag with extra wall kicking by Cruise. Still, one great scene is more than Skip Woods or other assorted hollywood screenwriters will ever give the world.
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Before some of you lump this movie into the category of "anti-American" Leftist propaganda, you must realize that this is a true story. No one is "bashing the troops" and no one is claiming that terrorists should be treated with kid gloves. The trial raised very real issues that go to the core of our Republic, issues that our Founding Fathers fought and died for. This case was Kafkaesque. Imagine being thrown in prison and not allowed to know why, or what you were accused of. Imagine being told you'll never have a hearing to determine if you should be there. Imagine being told that there's evidence, or a witness but they're classified and not even your military lawyer with security clearance can see or cross examine them. Now, maybe you're a bloodthirsty AQ terrorist and deserve nothing better... Or maybe you're innocent. And if so, then we really have become like our enemies.
Are there people at Gitmo who should never see the light of day as free men? Abso-fucking-lutely. But what I'm even more sure of is that Clooney & Sorkin aren't going to give us a preachy or sanctimonious film. They'll raise question rather than cram answers down our throats. These will be questions about the very nature of our Republic and our Constitution. Questions some on this talk back would rather not have asked or would rather not have to think about. Being the good guys isn't easy. It's not supposed to be. If we don't have this debate, if filmmakers like Clooney & Sorkin don't start this discussion, then we're in big trouble. THAT would be un-American. -
It's the best thing he's ever done, and still the best show ever put to tv (in my opinion).
I still rewatch it all the time.
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Harold and Kumar?
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If someone makes an honest, clear thinking portrayal of the war it will do well. Let's see what happens with Paul Greengrass's Green Zone. Obviously the subject isn't a high money maker just at the outset just like something like, I dunno, The Visitor isn't, but film people will go to see good cinema. I'm Liberal and saw every movie you mentioned save for Redacted (Depalma: one of the most overrated directors. ever.) and they were all crap. I even wrote the very first, intensely negative, review of In the Valley of Elah. But especially in the very different post Bush America, and the subject changed to the economy, I think we're ready and inarguably NEED some good ole fashioned self reflection.
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Only noticed now but fuck it's ridiculous on the main page.
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Oh yeah!
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And maybe a gooder woman.
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talk about meme.
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you cant handle the truth
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his best work ever
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At most.
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They're probably all innocent anyway. Held without trial or proof of evidence for years. Sexually and physically abused by nutters in the marines, no wonder they hate America, i would too if i were them. Does the US not wonder if maybe it creates more terrorists by the inhuman way it treats it's 'captives'? Whatever, it'll be a great film because Sorkin is a writing genius.
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More like defenders of the US Constitution and the Rule of Law. Besides, Gitmo has created and inspired more terrorists than it has ever detained or deterred. Thus it is in our strategic interests to close it. It's not helping us win the war on terror, in fact it's hurting us.
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You can't handle that pie...
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Whoops, wrong movie!
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Wanna appeal to the current young generation of cell phone wielding, mp3 listening sonsabitches? I got your hip sub-title right there for you.
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Could you please quote DIRECTLY from your party's talking points next time? You fucking liberal hack.
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Fuck this movie.
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His writing sounds so stilted and contrived. Not to mention, I am a liberal and find his heavy-handed liberal propaganda to be vomit inducing.
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So you suppose that if we treat them with dignity then they will in turn NOT be inclined to cut our soldiers heads off? OK...you are misguided and naive, but that is no surprise. Most you wacked-out leftists think that way. "Sexually and physically abused by nutters in the marines..." Dude. FUCK YOU. Do you even know any US Marines? If you did, I can guarantee that you wouldn't have the fucking balls to even look him (or her) in the eyes, much less say that contrived bullshit (that you probably overheard at your local comic book shop). The Marine Corps has a history of doing nothing less then protecting this nation and saving pansy-ass freaks like you for over 233 years from aggression and tyranny. And that also goes for you, the foreign reader (probably European) who will jump at the opportunity to bash the Marine Corps…they saved your asses too, in WWI. Here is another news flash for you. Since the only thing about GTMO that you know is 'A Few Good Men', I'm not surprised that you put the USMC down there, guarding the barbaric fucks that would sell their mothers into prostitution just to blow up your two- year old daughter. I mean hey, they were in the movie, right? Wrong, you fucktard. The Marines are in GTMO only to guard the Naval Base there. They have NO interaction with the terrorists (or in your opinion, 'innocent freedom fighters') that are at Camp X-Ray or any of the other detainee camps. The Army and Navy run those camps. I know because I spent a year of my life down there, commanding 125 of our nations best young men and women while coddling to those bastards every whim. So when you make a bold statement like the one that you made above, make sure you come correct with your facts. Do your research and you won’t get spanked next time.
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Feb 03, 2009 6:54:31 AM CST
Left or right wing, political points aren't entertaining movies
by spandau belly
I feel like almost any movie that sets out to be a "message" movie ends up being a waste of time. If you want to make political points, just write a 200 word article for a newspaper or magazine. If you're going to make a movie, focus on telling a compelling story.
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I point you in the direction of MUNICH. That movie is as entertaining as THE GODFATHER, and enough politics to give you a shit ton to think about for years.
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The box office will by microscopic next to "A Few Good Men". Just a prediction.
That being said, Hollywood did make a movie thanking the troops: An American Carol. It also bombed. Americans of all political stripes really only want two things from their movies: boobies, and explosions. Especially nifty end-of-the-world, familiar-landmarks-being-destroyed-via-CGI kind of explosions. -
It might be good. Sorkin can write. Some of the "war" movies have been fair to actually good--I really liked "Grace is Gone". But they might as well be direct to DVD releases, as there just isn't enough of a hook to draw in large audiences of either political stripe. And there's something about movies dealing with current events, too . . . or recent events. Takes a miracle to pull them off in a way that pays off at the box office.
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Thanks for this little gem dude: "...the barbaric fucks that would sell their mothers into prostitution just to blow up your two- year old daughter." Good one! You spend the rest of your post telling everyone off for their ignorance about how Guantanamo Bay is run; you ought to take some of your own advice and inform your own fuckin ass if you really think every 'terrorist' is the snarling cartoon the army taught you they were. LOL dude, yeah I totally bet Osama Bin Laden was so ripshit when he realized he missed my 2-year-old daughter on 9/11! She was THREE WHOLE STATES AWAY, dude needs some new intel in my opinion. Especially after he sold his own mother into prostitution to finance the attack and all!! Seriously, dude must have been SO PISSED.Anyway, I don't know what fantasy land you've been hanging out in for the past decade, but in reality the "terrorists" you're so frightened of are too busy blowing up EACH OTHER'S 2-year-old daughters to give a shit what we're doing over here.
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I'm sorry, were you being serious when you said "An American Carol" thanked the troops?
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The same way only liberals go see movies with George Clooney, because he's managed to repel most conservatives away from his films because of his smartass political activism.......that's why his movies don't make as much money anymore!!!
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Please remember to:
A) make fun of my user name and say that it invalidates my opinion
B) Turn the fact that I said you are living in a fantasy land on its head by accusing *me* of being the one that is actually living in a fantasy landC)Use the fact of your military career as an example of hard proof that you are right and I am wrongD)Accuse me of treason for discussing 9/11 in a lighthearted wayE) Use the word "heroes" once or twiceThanks! -
Docked 250 points for originality.
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What a loser. Take your left wing agenda and leave it a the door please. Have you ever met one of these fucks? Have you ever done anything in your WHOLE LIFE harder than trying to clean the resin out of your bowl while stuck in rush hour traffic? No? Didn't think so. Let me tell you what I've been up to for the last eight fucking years. 15 months in Iraq, one six-month stint in Afghanistan and a year in GTMO. I've done my time and let me tell you: I don't need the fucking army to tell me about terrorists. They ARE fucking snarling beasts. They ARE NOT cartoons. So go clean yourself up, drink some of that special tea and join the Army or Marine Corps. Go over there and see just how cartoonish they are. I can't wait.
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And I didn't mention heroes.
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Best writer ever.
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This film has box office failure written all over it. When will Hollywood learn, we are tired of hearing about it. We get it. Bush was a douchebag who broke a shitload of really good laws. He's out of power now. Let's prosecute and move on.
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He doesn't have enough to do these days.
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But even I am tiring of this subject.
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If a movie can't possibly be a big box office success, it doesn't deserve to be made.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123362422088941893.html
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It was a way more balanced movie than I expected from Spielberg. I'm actually kinda convinced it was a fluke and that Spielberg wasn't aware of how balanced a movie he was making.And what made it worth watching was that it was a well-acted, compelling espionage thriller, and not its politics.
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Part 67. Yeah, this will tank hard. There are people who NEVER go to movies anymore. And who can blame them?
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Not a great movie, but not bad. The American President is interesting as a sort of rough draft for The West Wing, but is far, far too earnest in my opinion. Sorkin's best screenplay will always be "A Few Good Men", probably because the politics are mostly absent from it.
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...on screen, and I still wouldn't watch it. Clooney = boring. I have no idea why this idiot, Clooney, is considered a movie star. After he ruined Batman & Robin, a fag-fest at best, I washed my hands with Clooney, and I sent him to his Career Crucifixion.
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refer to his turn as destroying the franchise, but all the blame must be laid at the feet of Schumacher, who turn the installment into a campfest resembling the '60s series. Clooney can coast in the Ocean flicks, but Three Kings, Out Of Sight, and his yokel lothario in Oh Brother? C'mon...
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Quoting James Woods in Contact: ".... o-kay."
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Feb 03, 2009 10:18:02 AM CST
"trying to clean the resin out of your bowl while stuck in rush
by doctorwho?
I have dammit and let me tell you, it ain't easy.
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A principle from the Constitution is liberal? It's heartening to see that a good number of AICN talkbackers are of better moral character than the Founding Fathers.
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FUCK OFF.
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I know that I have not posted comments often here but this will be my last. I have come to the realization last night that I am a socially inept nerd. I make the people around me feel awkward and I am not a fun person to be around. So I am just going to change my life. I am sick and tired about arguing which Star Trek movie was the best or having people stare at me because I am first in line Transformers because I showed up 5 hours early. I get it now the other people were right these things made me a loser and the butt of to many jokes. It cost me my engagement and I am sick and tired of it. I am happy you all have each other because I hae no one.
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Feb 03, 2009 10:41:33 AM CST
You right wing military lovers are just jealous that...
by derlanghaarige
...all "your people" at Hollywood came up with was AN AMERICAN CAROL.
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I Can't Gitmo Satisfaction...
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On some level, we all all inept and we are all definitely nerds. Or we wouldn't be here. At the end of the day, to each his own. Try not to let the discussions get to you. If they're making it personal, blow it off, because comments should be just that, comments--not attacks.
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naw, good luck, man.
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Feb 03, 2009 11:05:05 AM CST
CHRISTIAN BALE COULD VIOLATE EVERY GENEVA CONVENTION
by bringingsexyback
just by screaming at you. You would wish for a swift death before he's done.
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Feb 03, 2009 11:05:44 AM CST
OGREISHERE -- you're a nice guy...but FUUUUCK!!
by dannyglovers_dickblood
If you think that spending too much time online, in various message boards, AICN, etc. is negatively impacting your social life-- then good for you. Get the fuck outta here and go make some friends and pound some cunt. The internet can be an evil place. Don't become me. DON'T BECOME ME. Good luck dude. -
Only if you were caught squeezing one off to one of Harry's corner animations.Heed DG's advice, get some fresh air, enjoy the sunshine, talk to flesh and blood people. If you need to visit. Don't worry, we'll be here....oh yesss, we'll be here...
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But ask your girl - does she want a winner, or a loser? Hence, I was able to battle in peace.
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GIVE ME A FUCKING ANSWER! OH, GOOD FOR YOU! FOR FUCKS SAKE, MAN, YOU AMATEUR! WE'RE DONE PROFESSIONALLY. YOU'RE A NICE GUY...NO, YOU'RE A NICE GUY, BUT FUUUUUUKKKK!!!!!
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Cleaning out the bowl in rush hour traffic?? LOL, what do I look like, Superman? It's hard enough smoking the fucking thing with one hand... but if we're gonna engage in the dick-measuring contest that is making fun of each other's usernames, please confirm for me that your name in real life is Bill Brasky? LOL, why no rank before the name? Boringly square out much?Seriously though. Let me ask you, if me coming here and posting my opinions means I have a "left-wing agenda," well, by that logic doesn't that mean you're here with a "right-wing agenda"? And, hasn't the right just finished running the fucking country into the ground by pretending the US doesn't need to keep track of how it spends money? And don't they keep trying to fix the economic crisis we're currently in as a result BY DOING THE EXACT SAME STUFF THAT CREATED THE CRISIS??? The right is like a bunch of insanely rich ostriches sticking their heads into the hugest desert of all time. So belittle my left-wing "agenda" if you want, but dude, please open your eyes. The right is heavily invested in doing shit that just plain doesn't work. (And if you want to trot out that heartwarming chestnut about the right having "kept us safe" for the past 8 years, you can, but I'm sure as hell not gonna believe you any more than if you told me the right also prevented space aliens from invading Earth during that time.)I agree with you when you say that terrorists aren't cartoons. Your description of them as "snarling beasts," however, is a CARTOONISH definition of a human being and that was my point-- *you're* the one describing them as cartoons. Not me. I'm trying to understand how a person could believe something--anything--so deeply that they'd strap dynamite to their chest and blow themselves up for it. Conveniently though, a half-hour of research into the history of Iraq and the surrounding region will illuminate pretty well how a culture can get so fucked up. It's interesting: did you know Iraq wasn't even a country until after WWI, yet the region has over 5,000 years of history? Totally nuts. One thing's for sure though, charging in there with no other attitude but "These people are snarling beasts who don't deserve our respect because 9/11 happened" sure as shit ain't gonna make em any friendlier. I'm guessing maybe being part of a systematic military organization has something to do with your opinion that your opponents in combat were inhuman? Just a thought.Oh and dude-- I was raised with values that make the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq seem completely immoral and screwed up, so yep, I didn't enlist. But just because you've been in the army and I haven't doesn't mean my life is a nonstop episode of The Entourage. So in that regard, eat me.I doubt any of this is gonna sound like anything you feel like taking to heart, though, so let me fully run it into the ground for ya by expressing my opinion that 9/11 was perpetrated by Skull & Bones. Also George H.W. Bush shot JFK. And you know what dude? I think I'm as right about that stuff as you think you are in believing that the US should be fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now if you'll excuse me, rush hour's not for another five hours.. better get that bowl nice and full of resin for the ride. See ya on the freeway!
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Wrath of Khan is the best star trek movie. Wrath of Khan is the best star trek movie. Wrath of Khan is the best star trek movie.
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Feb 03, 2009 11:23:16 AM CST
picture of Bale incident on Terminator set....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
http://tinyurl.com/aof8rg
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If clooney is playing a lawyer in this movie does that make the Jury his Ocean 12?
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Feb 03, 2009 11:53:46 AM CST
don't care if you're a soldier Brasky, you sound like a maniac
by industrykiller!
And why don't you ask Israel how force has worked for them in their fight against the Palestinians thus far. If you can't see how GTMO and torture have made this nation less safe in the long run then all the tours of duty in the world aren't going to teach you nuance. Indoctrinated much?
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Should people captured on a battlefield be treated the same as American law breakers? Do the troops have to collect evidence as they are under fire? Were combatants in any other war tried in the American Justice system? Does a federal court even have jurisdiction in Afghanistan? Does the Geneva Convention protect fighters who do not wear a uniform? Once a terrorist is on American soil and is gotten off on a technicality by the ACLU can they then claim asylum and stay here to do as they wish? Just wondering...
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and his leftist moralizing...jeez, why doesn't he just make the "Keith Olbermann" biopic and be done with it.
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You could have Clooney play Elliot Ness and he could go after Obama and his merry band of tax cheats. Man, this guy hasn't been President for a month and is showing himself to be the most corrupt POTUS in history.
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Thank God Liberals runs the country now and the cons are completely and utterly irrelevant.
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Hey fella, just wanted to say, as one of those Europeans you feel don't thank you enough, a giant fuck you. I suspect you're one of those guys who, with monotonous regularity, uses the line "if it weren't for us, you'd all be speaking German". Here's the thing Bill, I don't know if you've ever been to Britain, but our ability with foreign languages is nothing short of shocking. At best, we'd still be speaking English slowly and loudly.
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Your God, Obama, is nothing more than a huckster whose judgement is laughable. He has lied about allowing lobbyists in his administration, and chosen tax-cheats and liars to fill important positions.
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So did the bombing of the USS Cole! And the African embassy bombings! Shocking, I know. Somehow the Islamists knew we would try to defend ourselves and so launched a jihad in retaliation. What fools we were! Now then, when is Hollywood going to make an honest movie about the difficulty of fighting terrorism instead of just criticizing the U.S.? Oh, right, it was called THE DARK KNIGHT.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewj6b2QJ8lo
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in dealing with the Palestinians is because they are fighting them with one hand behind their back. While Palestinians have no trouble intentionally killing children, the Israelis are (sometimes unsuccessfully) doing their damndest to spare innocents. If Israel would tell the world to fuck-off (which is exactly what they should do, seeing as how anti-Semiticism is so warmly embraced by the media/UN/fuckwitliberals, etc.) and crush the savages that seek to push them into the sea, we might finally have peace in the region. Instead we have morons like Obama/Pelosi/Couric that villify the Jews when they have the nerve to fight back.
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THAT BASTARD WAS ONE MINUTE LATE! ONE MINUTE LATE! YELLED AT HIM FOR TEN MINUTES! THEN, GUESS WHAT! MY PIZZA WAS COLD! WHAT THE HELL! I THREW THE DELIVERY GUY OUT, THREW THE PIZZA OUT, AND KICKED MY CAT!
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Feb 03, 2009 12:46:12 PM CST
MAVERICK68: "DOING THEIR DAMNDEST TO SPARE INNOCENTS"
by bringingsexyback
That's almost as funny as the Bale remix. Fighting back against unarmed refugees with gunships. Bombing schools and razing farms is the new fighting back, eh? It's pretty clear to everyone but you that Israel is the monster. But Obama will put things right, he just needs more than a week to do it. But I'm sure you want him, and America, to fail dontcha?
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was because they didn't have Bale on their side.
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Comments like "Palestinians have no trouble intentionally killing children" are, I would suggest, extremely poor form while the BBC is reporting that of the 1300 Palestians killed in Israel's latest offensive, 400 were kids. You don't need to pick a side to be disgusted and appalled by that.
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Just want that to be burned in our brains for future arguments with this neo-fascist nationalist pig.
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had a sense of moral equivalence?
If these people were redneck militia members who shot a minority in cold blood, you would call for their fucking heads.
Instead they come from a different country so they need to be treated with respect. Who cares if they killed their daughter and think the holocaust is like an episode of gimmie a break, a dead Jew is a funny Jew! These are not innocents. The hypocrisies sickens me.
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You think the Palestinians don't know how to manipulate the western media? Come on.
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nothing makes one feel better than punching a koala, especially a koala wearing glasses.
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It's either evil or not evil and it's pathetic in it's lack of intellectual thought. Are you really too blind to see that using nothing but force, and torture, and illegal imprisonment against these people does NOTHING but create generation after generation of easy recruits? Force is necessary sometimes, Im no pacifist believe me, but American foreign policy has been shredding our reputation for years. No expert on the subject thinks the Bush administration has been anything less than a total and utter failure. The middle East is worse than it has ever been and it's partially because of our actions. As for paranoid bullshit like "palestinians controlling western media", if Israel is slaughtering people by the hundreds then the shoe fits for how they are being portrayed.
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but isn't this movie more than just about questioning how we treat prisoners at GITMO? Part of the subtitle is "... and the fight over presidential powers" this movie will be a must see for me if they deal with the debate on that issue.
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its reporting against Israel, you are a fool. Of course, if you voted for the BoyKingEmperor With No Clothes, it's a given.
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Made them out to be the bad guys and such.
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I sir am no Bush ideologist.
I am a pragmatist. And you seem to think that a government military action is worse then indiscriminate rocket fire into urban areas. Are the Israeli's supposed to live with that? Would you? Nuance and intellect is great. The smartest person should be in charge. BUT people living with rocket attacks aren't and shouldn't have to take it. The palestinians have my sympathy for past treatment. They want to live in peace? Lynch the fuckers launching the rockets, then they'll have a leg to stand on. -
didn't he just leave office.
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Feb 03, 2009 1:51:32 PM CST
The fact of the matter is you guys had your shot and failed
by industrykiller!
Miserably. the consensus int he historical community is that George W. Bush, if not the worst President of all time, is somewhere in the top tier. He's a failure. His policies, all conservative, have been a total disaster from the Economy to foreign policy and everything in between. he's a joke and by proxy neo-conservatism is a joke. You and your dogmatic sick ideologies are dead and arent coming back. Moreover, everything you put in place over the last 8 years has already begun to be undone. it's over. Bitch on a talkback all you want and spread your paranoid anti Muslim hate but you are impotent and alone in the world.
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Politics aside, Sorkin's writing and Clooney should at least make this flick watchable. I'm hoping they go a bit deeper than just painting Rumsfeld and Bush is mustache-twirling villains. Notice I didn't mention Cheney.
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you just called me a muslim hater? You can go to hell. You don't know and are in no position to make that statement.
Wow, I referenced Bush once, and negatively. Get a grip man, Obama won.
Has the historical community reached a consensus? Fourteen days out is pretty quick.
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You can't JUST kill the guys launching the rockets. believe me if you could I would say do it and do it right and quick. But close to a thousand Palestinians were killed int hat offensive, MANY of them children, and not because they were used as human shields but because the rocket fire was so indescriminate. So let's say they got rid of 200 rocket men, Hamas will now be able to recruit 1000 more. The rocket fire has already restarted. THis line of action will not work for israel, history shows that clearly.
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Truth is often the first casualty, I agree, but if you're suggesting that these figures are false, do you have any evidence to back that up? I'm quite happy to admit my info came from the BBC website a while ago - this info may now have been updated. If it has and you know more, please share...
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I was more referencing Maverick and Bill Brasky, who are lunatics. And yeah hte historical community has reached a general consensus. If you think things are going to look BETTER for Bush as time passes you havent been paying attention to the dearth of incredibly clandestine shit that we didn't even know about. He's already been proven inarguably wrong about so many thing WHILE he was president, let alone the information that will leak after. Read the article in the latest Vanity Fair where people who worked in the administration spelling out the unbelievable negligence of the administration when they were faced with ANY given problem.
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I notice you keep referring to conservatives and Bush as if that's the issue. It ain't. No matter how much money you donate to the ACLU every year, there are people who would gladly kill you and everyone you care about just because you don't practice medieval Wahhabism. And I don't hate Muslims.
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Feb 03, 2009 2:12:54 PM CST
Raymar Im more afraid of neo-conservatives than terrorists
by industrykiller!
The neocons have done more damage to America than terrorists could have ever hoped for. Good job.
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None of these domestic legal challenges have anything to do with Gitmo. The detainees at Gitmo and other similar places are Prisoners of War and the war is not over.
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They have a common agenda - perpetual war. And their tool is Maverick68.
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Good point. And if Hamas knows that a rocket fired into Israel will kill random women, kids, students etc. will produce a reaction from Israel killing their own women, children etc...wouldn't you think they would re-think that brilliant little tactic? You think one guy would stand up and suggest maybe not firing rockets from schools and hospitals?
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I'm not. they are ideologues. But if you are going to handle this pragmatically, which is the only option left, you want to respond with what works. And what works is not killing a thousand of them in retaliation just because they know that that might be a consequence. that's the war equivalent of saying "Stop hitting yourself". The Hamas problem is a complicated one and, humanitarian implications completely aside, brute force has never and will never work even from a purely political standpoint.
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Feb 03, 2009 2:23:15 PM CST
THE U.N. OBSERVED NO MISSLE FIRED FROM SCHOOLS AND HOSPITALS
by bringingsexyback
Zionists: "Then the UN hates Jews!"
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In "The Dark Knight", Lucius Fox, arguably a voice of moral authority expresses disgust with Batman's wiretap activities. Batman pummels the Joker, in effect, torturing him, to no avail. And no member of the Bush Administration would actually have the balls to put themselves on the battleground in fighting terrorists. Honestly, it's about as dumb as when conservatives try to claim "Animal House" as their own, despite the ribbing ROTC takes in the film. And Brasky, seriously, no one in GITMO is innocent? You mean all those who have been released were freed on one of the great fictional technicalities, as perpetrated by cop shows and movies such as "Death Wish"? Same rhetoric. "I'll torture to preserve our way of life! Rights? Fuck their rights! Trial? Who needs those? We're the US of A and we can hold people without trial, forever!" Lame tough guy posturing won't make up for the lack of solid intelligence to justify Iraq in the first place. Even if democracy were to take a solid foothold, it would still be a phyrric victory at best. That isn't "defeatism", "anti-troop", or "anti-American", that's just reality.
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then you are truly ignorant and pathetic. Liberals are the biggest hypocrites walking the earth. The proposed "Fairness Doctrine" the Dems are salivating over is one of the biggest attacks on our Constitution in history. Of course, don't let the fact your Gods oppose free-speech that doesn't fall in goose-step with their own stop you from worshipping at the tit of your Socialist masters. Socialism and the silencing of all opposition is what the POS and his congressional minions propose.
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many of those released have returned to the battlefield to try and kill American troops.
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Lunatic? Fuck you, you mindless regurgitator of anti-American rhetoric. Go back and read the post that got me into this debate. My main goal was inform the uniformed. To let him, you and whoever know, not only that the Marine Corps is a good and honorable organization (not sexually abusing 'nutters'), but that they aren't even near prisoners at GTMO. Also that I actually HAVE been there (can you say that Karl?) and as a rule, we treat these men with dignity and respect. So you flame me...Why? Because I don't subscribe to your ultra-liberal agenda, I am a "Lunatic." Ohhhh-Kay. While I may have right leaning tendencies, I am defiantly not a 'lock, stock & barrel' Leftist, as your posts obviously make you. I don’t own any Toby Keith albums and I could give a fuck less if GLTGs want to get married. You want an abortion, go ahead. Hell, I’ll take you to the clinic…I even love the environment and really, really want a hybrid car. Oh, and I like how the war in Afghanistan is now a questionable affair. You loons make me laugh. Go ahead and have your little 9-11 'Truthers' meetings and talk about Skull & Bones societies all day. I could give a fuck less. Just don't lie and talk shit about our military. We are doing a hard job and have been lead by some not-so-smart people over the last decade. So, Lunatic? No. Someone with different life experiences who doesn’t have the exact same brain as you? Most definitely.
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Feb 03, 2009 2:28:55 PM CST
For underachievers we sure kicked your asses Maverick
by industrykiller!
House, Senate, and President!
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Hamas couldn't hit the side of a barn with a missle.
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Hi BringingSexyBack...long time no hear. Congrats on the election!
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Now stop advocating (which is what you did above whether you know it or not) the inhumane treatment of prisoners and you'll be golden.
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Hey Bill what's up man. Listen, I'm not getting involved in your firefight! Just trying to enjoy Bale Day on AICN.
OTOH, just as you've been at GTMO I've been at Truthers meetings (I have t-shirts), and I think we can meet in the middle on some of these issues.
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First off Brasky, to quote another Tom Cruise military movie, "you're not the only jarhead in the room." Us "liberals" as you so readily call us are not shedding a tear over the mistreatment of the terrorists in Gitmo, so please stop acting as though we're all worried about Mohammad Fata getting a hang nail. It's not about them. It's about us. It's about holding ourselves up to a higher standard. Whether you can legally justify it or not due to combatant status is not the issue. Whether us treating them better may or may not lead to them treating us better is not the issue. We're Americans and we're better than that. Why is it that when a topic like this comes up, on the legality of Presidential Powers in War, a topic that has been debated by hundreds of legal scholars and will be debated by thousands more in the future comes up, all the right wing can reply with is "Liberals hate America and love the terrorists." It's not about them, it's about us. And why focus on the negative. It's about an AMERICAN asking the hard questions and trying to hold the country to a higher standard. How is raising our own standards un-American?
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You really should check out Toby Keith, there's some good stuff on his albums.
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Feb 03, 2009 2:42:45 PM CST
HEY BILL - DID YOU EVER MEET CAPT. JAMES YEE AT GITMO?
by bringingsexyback
I don't know if you read his accounts but the Bush Admin really worked his life over.
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http://tinyurl.com/8wb4cd
When you store weapons in your mosques and homes, you are placing an ideal over the possibility of your family or place of worship. They know that if they keep their weapons, good for them. If the IDF blows the hell out the stash, bad press for Israel, it's a good tactic for despicable human beings. -
What you say makes sense on paper. But what nation will not retaliate if rockets are being lobbed randomly into their cities?
Let's say Israel didn't respond for say, a week...what does Hamas do? Scratch their heads, turn and walk away sad because no one wants to "come out and play"? Hell No. They would ratchet it up, emboldened by their "success".
I'm just being a realist. Look, I disagree with most everything you post but you do state one universal truth..."brute force has never and will never work". It ALWAYS leads to suffering. But the truth in ANY violent conflict is a stark choice between 1) Choose to fight against what is wrong and hope to salvage some hope of justice amidst the misery of the aftermath. OR 2) Do nothing. Roll over and let the swine of the world (Hamas et. al) triumph over normalcy while you die with your "philosophy" intact. Shitty choice eh?
And dude, no matter what you think of Israel...Hamas is far more of a horror show. Palestine is a common home for several religious and national groups, but Hamas dogmatically insists that the whole territory is instead an exclusively Muslim part of a future Islamic empire. Dictators from hell.
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refused to allow reporters in, leaving Palestinian reporters the only available resource for news outlets
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But we were briefed up on his situation. I know that you all think that we are 'indoctrinated' and shit, but the guy was definitely not 100% innocent. Maybe not as guilty as accused, but a lot of grey area there. Bottom line on him and anyone else in the military when dealing with sensitive shit like talking to the detainees: Perception IS Reality.
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Sorry about that. All I'm saying is that as log as the majority of Palestinians allow a violent minority to represent them, the will be marginalized. And asking Israeli citizens to live with the bombing is kind of ridiculous.
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30 JULY 08: Gas in Myrtle Beach, SC = $4.11 per gallon. WTF?
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Well I don't think you're indoctrinated but having read Yee's book there was definitely some personal animus directed at him that resulted in him being incarcerated. And they sought to punish him through his family. That's a pretty sick way to treat a soldier. He got an apology for his troubles - not one charge stuck. You should check out his book ...
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I never even talked about whether GTMO should be closed. The argument that you present on the War Powers Act or the fact the 'We are better than them' doesn't hold water with me. I don't care. Lock the bastards up in a SuperMax in Colorado. Whatever. I'm not trying to justify the existence of GTMO, I am just maintaining that the men and women who have been ordered to work there over the last 7 years are very professional and aren't 'nutters' who sexually exploit Hajji or whatever the fuck of these misinformed losers try to flame us with.
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But all that really amounts to is simple revenge, which doesn't get anyone anywhere. the fact of the matter is this retaliation business has been going on since the beginning and not a shred of ground has been gained, in fact much of it has been lost. The cold hard reality here is that Israel is going to have to begin making deals, ones they dont want to have to make. I personally think they should be doing that anyway and it's just sheer pride thats kept them from it. There was actually just a great Time magazine cover article detailing that the way population is working within Israels borders that in a decade or two Jews actually may end up being a minority in their own country and will simply be voted out of power or they will have to cease to be a democratized government to keep that from happening. Either way Israel can't maintain this path they have been on for much longer. Reality is gonna come down hard.
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the only thing that they told us about Chaplain Yee was that he was found to have lists of interrogators and detainees in his belongings. As far as I know, that is not something that you should try to bring home. Also, all charges were eventually dropped and he got out with an honorable discharge. Apology? Hmph... That's like asking the IRS for money that they owe you from ten years ago. Yeah, that'll happen.
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You seem to think I'm defending Hamas. I'm not. I'm questioning Israel's tactics. There seems to be a few other people here doing the same thing.
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Feb 03, 2009 3:07:07 PM CST
I CALL BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by uberman
I am so friggin sick of these whiny, left coast gun fearin Libs trying to tear down our country (and thus attack Jesus as well). I can tell a crook when I see one, and I certainly can tell a TERRORIST when I see/smell one. The fact that some anti-american sodomite would think that we need to determine guilt or innocence of some towel head in a court of law is BULLSHIT! We did'nt need no court to try the Nazis. We knew who they was by the German accent and we gave em the rope or the bullet. Now the Libs are crawlin out of the woodwork, since we got HUSSIEN in charge. I suppose everyone thats yellow, red or brown gets a get out of jail free card. Trials. I dont need a trial to see if I'm guilty-I've never been in jail. This is sickening.
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What other options are there?
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It's a little bit revenge, but mostly survival. The oldest of instincts.
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Another 'clever' post by someone who is obviously more educated then anyone who speaks with a southern accent, using his wit and obvious mastery of the sarcastic to debase and utterly destroy any one who does not agree with is elitist left-wing agenda. I'll tell you uberman, that is sooooo original. I have never seen or read a post like yours before! Hey, why don't you come back and do another one, but his time in an African-American dialect, you know, Ebonics? Oh yeah, because Christians and Southern Whites are the only people that we are 'allowed' to mock on these boards and get away with it. You are pathetic. Truly.
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seriously, go back to your daily-kooks boards where everyone agrees with you.
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As IndustryKiller suggests, the ONLY way the situation can improve is through diplomacy. Of course that's not going to happen tomorrow, but at some point it has to. Disproportionate military incursions make achieving that goal near impossible. Death for the sake of it - how will that help?
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why don't we just cut off the South, most of the Southwest (except for that nice man, Bill Richardson and his 'New' Mexico) and connect Colorado to California with a land bridge through Utah. Picture it: The shiny NEW America. Think of it as an upside-down horse shoe; from Virginia (although there are pockets of redneck resistance still alive in the western parts), up through Maine, and over, across New York, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota (We'll have to station quite a few 'national police' there for some years to come...those militia don't quite like our new world order, do they?) & Montana, landbridge over Idaho too, and then on to Washington, Oregon and California. Perfect!!!!
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Hitchens puts it best: "...to see Hamas at work is to resolve that whatever replaces or follows Zionism, it must not be the wasteland of Islamic theocracy."
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Feb 03, 2009 3:20:55 PM CST
American Carol was a Love Letter to the American Military
by kevinwillis.net
Reminded me of Pro-American propaganda films from the '40s. Could have had Daffy Duck handy the Nazis their ass. That's what I was saying.
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See you...never.
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When he's in an interesting movie. This doesn't sound like it.
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ends. I don't see that happening, though I hope I'm wrong. Nothing will ever make that part of the globe happy
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And thus stretched his forces too thin, the rest of Europe would be speaking German, pretty much no matter what America did. Learn some history, people. Or, Berlin would have tasted an atom bomb.
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Clooney was kinda cool in "Peacemaker." Why that film didn't succeed is an unanswered question in my book. Oceans 11 (not 12 or 13) was great...'Oh Brother' was fun (We'er in a tight spot!) 'Good Night and Good Luck' was spot-on, 'Confessions' was Awesome, 'Three Kings' was OK, 'Thin Red Line' was good and I honestly thought that 'Out of Sight' was a great fucking picture.
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defending yourself against terrorists by only being a little bit strong is a terrible strategy.
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Yeah, you always want to take her from behind. Doing it doggy style.Not that there is anything wrong with that.
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haven't you ever played Axis and Allies? Of course we would have won! Dammit! Seriously though, the Nazis weren't even putting resources into their heavy water experiments anymore, when they invaded Russia. They wouldn't have beaten us to the bomb and they sure as hell wouldn't have been able to keep Stalin as an ally for long enough to invade Great Britain. Not to mention the fact that their air war against the Brits was an utter failure and they would have had to re-build their Luftwaffe before attempting to invade the Isles. So, your argument (a very popular one with the Euro crowd, by the way) is moot. America and her allies would have defeated Germany with or without the Soviets.
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Please tell me how...
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I still think Hitler through a hell of a lot of manpower, bullets and bombs into the gnashing teeth of the Soviet monster, and if he had those resources to devote to subduing Britain, it would have been a different story. I don't think they would have beaten us to the bomb, so I suspect America would have had to settle Germany's hash with an A-Bomb or two.
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Without the spaces or without the spaces seems to work. No other HTML tags work, to my knowledge, so don't waste time to get clever with formatting.
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Just ask Obama. "Those quaint tax cut ideas are funny, but I won, so fuck you."
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and now that the Boy-King is in charge, screwing the pooch and making mistakes on a biblical scale, folks like me will be here reminding you, every step of the way...
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He's Jim Jones. Boy Kings don't get the kind of blind adoration and supplication cult leaders do. Just ask the previous Boy King Dubya.
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the same people defending the Palestinians on this thread have at least one Che' T-Shirt in their closet and will tell their friends over expensive, bad-tasting coffee that Chomsky's a genius...BTW, Che' hated gay people and is adored by the American Left...things that make you go "hmmmmmmm....."
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Ilovethis!!!!everyone should be doing it.
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thanks man!!!you rock!
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Certainly showed he could carry his small screen charisma to the big screen.
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to you politically-correct, mind-numbed robots. THAT's why the BoyKing won the election. Bambi is John Edwards with a tan, nothing more. Political Correctness is the new facism.
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....sports-night and studio 60.
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didn't vote for him dude. Also, intellectual honesty is the new smart. Kissenger is the new Reagen.
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http://tinyurl.com/avhf9z
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that PoliticalCorrectness is destroying many attempts at honest dialogue in this country, INCLUDING any attempts at opposing Obama, whether it be during the campaign or his Presidency. McCain could have cured SickleCell and the Dems/media were going to paint him as a racist.
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Bambi is John Edwards..not racist. Bambi is John Edwards with a tan..racist. Sorry Mav, and don't say its the same as "Hey everybody we elected our first BLACK President". Its not and you know it.
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stop trying to apply ideology to me. I'm sensitive to language man, it's not a bad thing. Using language with 250 years of bad history behind it is in poor taste. Why are you panting at the chance to label me a lib then go at me?
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they are basically the same guy wearing different suits. Although I'm not sure Edwards stood and argued against a bill that required basic life-giving care for children that survived abortions, then lied about his support for the bill by claiming he was arguing against the bill because it would infringe on a woman's right to choose (if a child SURVIVES an abortion, choice is a non-issue).
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Bale just owned your ass
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the problem with talking to you is you try to apply my reasoning to your circular logic, then you just get more entrenched in your own position. It is not a fact it's a metaphor. Your like those fools that say I literally ate a whole cow when they had a 16 ounce porterhouse.
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You can equate Obama with John Edwards all day, no prob. Bringing up his skin color...why be polite? Just say, "Why he's like a black John Edwards.", and be done with it. Racist.
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Your right. At least he didn't say President Uncle.
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considering he's white too. but on the plus side, he is a lot more African-American than most since his dad (and maybe Barack) is Kenyan.
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But Im also not going to hesitate to point out bigotry when I see it. And given that Maverick advocated killing Palestinian women and children Im calling him a bigot.
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So, by that rationale, if Arabs advocate the killing Jewish women and children, doesn't that make them bigots?
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depending on the arab
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Doggie style (while fondling the titties of course) ... definitely preferable to the bound and gagged anal rape of the past 8 years. Calling for more tax cuts for the rich, in this economy? That's just kicking America while she's lying unconcious. Don't be that guy, man.
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looks like geek molester answered your question for you.
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Apply liberally.
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against FUCKING AMATEURS!!!
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Palestine, Israel and Baleistan. No one will dare start trouble for fear of ... Rant Kata.
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does that making u an amateurist.
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IS Isis, RA Egyptian Sun God, EL El Loco
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There's a new church brewing, based on the verbapocalyptic teachings of Christian. FUCKING AMATEURS are the new heretics. Prepare for judgement!!!
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like poo
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Yes it does.
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"many of those released have returned to the battlefield to try and kill American troops"
And being held for years without trial and(in some cases) being tortured is going to make one fervent with love for America? That's like the Israeli government suggesting that bombings will forment anti-terrorist sentiment. It's nothing new. In Vietnam, we expected sympathy from people whose landscape we were ravaging. I would argue that unlawful incarceration and torture that flies in the face of everything we're supposed to be about, contributes to terrorism and anti-American sentiment more than anything. That, our support of Israel(not saying we shouldn't support its right to defend itself), and global monopolies, and a history of unlawful interventionism. It was John McCain(for whom many of you conservatives no doubt voted for) who said about torture(before he, y'know, flip-flopped): "It's not who they (the enemy) are. It's who we are." Oh, and Toby Keith openly supported Obama, so let's not stereotype. -
Hey "conservatives", "ditto-heads", "Republicans" or whatever you call yourself, please answer the following: why is it that you absolutely don't trust government to handle social programs, infrastructure, or spending of any variety, yet are A-OK trusting it to correctly identify "terrorists" and imprison them indefintely with no trial and no due process (that is guaranteed by the Constitution, the highest law in the land)? Oh wait, I forgot, it's because you're not a real conservative, you're a fucking fascist who wants the full Power of the American Government to come crashing down on whoever you consider to be "The Other", whether they are actually a credible threat or not. We beat the fucking Commies, who had nukes, an Army, and great scientists. Yet somehow some poor-ass Arabs with cruddy weapons, no navy, and no army are a credible threat to the institution and existence of America. Give me a fucking break, dude.
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If it's going to be an unwatchable mess anyway, let's make it a black and white cartoony unwatchable mess with lots of semi-covered tits.
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Wow, no pretext or whiff of staying on topic, just launch into a vicious attack on another poster. And all with the use of "O" stapo like toxic whipped cream on the trollers favorite bitter-o-liberal ice cream push-up. Imagine that, another hateful election loser trolling AICN to pick fights with poor defensless liberals. Nice and sweet, just like the now deposed Monkey Boy George and Gibbering Cheney, leaving the scene for good.Looking forward to this as I know Clooney can deliver on all fronts. A timely story and one that I'm hoping will be less on the preachy side and more on the factual. Guess I'll read the book.
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Yes, I am definitely that guy. Those guys don't know how to spend my money. None of them. Or yours, either, and anyone who thinks they do oughta take that money and set a match to it and let it all burn because then, at least, it would generate a little heat. That's all I'm saying.Money to the people who earn it. Evil, I know.
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all you ignorant silly sheople that laugh at this statement: LICK MY HAIRY NUTSACK YOU IGNORANT BABOONS
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Because once again Sorkin and Clooney will literally SHIT OUT an anti-American movie that NO ONE has any interest in seeing, which will instantly die at the box office......And thus George will once again turn to his agent and say "Gee, guess it's time to do something mainstream and commercial again, to try and convince middle America that I'm not the arrogant and politically misguided fuck that I am."
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Feb 03, 2009 10:01:12 PM CST
You know BDA, that's probably what David Zucker said...
by industrykiller!
to his agent after An American Carol, right before signing on for Scary Movie 37
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You destroy every TB with your fucking politics. Please go to DailyKos or where ever you get your political fix and shut the fuck up. Not every TB needs to be dominated by your extremely predictable, unoriginal posts.
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Industry and SexyBack didn't start this on this particular TB, it was others who have trouble differentiating the Constitution in their heads and the reality of why it is against everything we stand for to torture and hold people indefinitely. On the other hand, how that leads to a TB rife with non sequitorial references to "Kingdom of Heaven"(the Balian thing) is beyond me.
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Feel free to skip my and IK's posts if they upset your tender sensibilities so much. But getting us to STFU and go elsewhere? Dare to dream.
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Fucking amateur.
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And there is going to be trouble.
"And being held for years without trial and(in some cases) being tortured is going to make one fervent with love for America?"
Well, by that logic, we should expect people on death row who get released because of DNA evidence to rightfully go out and really murder someone just to spite the courts. The fact that dipshit was eventually released should be sharp contrast to the other side, who cuts off heads on camera, and then gets off on it, our blows up a bomb in front of a bunch of Iraq kids collected candy, on purpose, just to show how hardcore they can be. -
Christian Bale: KICK YOUR FUCKING ASS!Shane Hurlbut: Christian, Christian –Bale: I want you off the fucking set you prick!Shane: Christian, I'm sorry.Bale: No, don't just be sorry, think for one fucking second. What the FUCK are you DOING ? Are you professional or not?Shane: Yes I am.Bale: Do I fucking walk around and rip down –Bruce Franklin: Christian, Christian –Bale: No, shut the fuck up Bruce! Do I want - no! No! Don't shut me up.Franklin: I'm not shutting you up.Bale: Am I going to walk around and rip your fucking lights down, in the middle of a scene? Then why the fuck are you walking right through? Ah da da dah, like this in the background. What the fuck is it with you? What don't you fucking understand?Shane: (inaudible)Bale: You got any fucking idea about, hey, it's fucking distracting having somebody walking up behind Bryce in the middle of the fucking scene? Give me a fucking answer! What don't you get about it?Shane: I was looking at the light.Bale: Ohhhhh, goooood for you. And how was it? I hope it was fucking good, because it's useless now, isn't it?Shane: Ok.Bale: Fuck-sake man, you're amateur. McG, you got fucking something to say to this prick?McG: I didn't see it happen.Bale: Well, somebody should be fucking watching and keeping an eye on him.McG: Fair enough.Bale: It's the second time that he doesn't give a FUCK about what is going on in front of the camera, alright? I'm trying to fucking do a scene here, and I am going "Why the fuck is Shane walking in there? What is he doing there?" Do you understand my mind is not in the scene if you're doing that?Shane: I absolutely apologize. I'm sorry, I did not mean anything by it.Bale: Stay off the fucking set man. For fuck-sake. Alright, let's go again.McG: Let's just take a minute.Bale: Let's not take a fucking minute, let's go again. And have YOU fucking walking in! Can I have Tom put this on please.Franklin: Can I have Tom in wardrobe please? Can I have Tom in wardrobe?Bale: You're unbelievable, you're un-fucking-believable. Number of times you're strolling-a-fucking around in the background. I've never had a DP behave like this. Ehhh…you don't fucking understand what it's like working with actors, that's what that is.Shane: No, that's –
Bale: That's what that is man, I'm telling you. I'm not asking, I'm telling you. You wouldn't have done that otherwise.Shane: No, what it is, is looking at the light and making sure, that you are, ugh –Bale: I'M GOING TO FUCKING KICK YOUR FUCKING ASS IF YOU DON'T SHUT FOR A SECOND! ALRIGHT?Unknowns: Christian, Christian. It's cool.Bale: I'm going to go…Do you want me to fucking go trash your lights? DO YOU WANT ME TO FUCKING TRASH YOUR? Then why are you trashing my scene?Shane: I'm not trying to trash your scene.Bale: You are trashing my scene!Shane: Christian, I was only –Bale: You do it one more fucking time and I ain't walking on this set if you're still hired. I'm fucking serious. You're a nice guy. You're a nice guy, but that don't fucking cut it when you're bullshitting and fucking around like this on set.McG: Alright, I know, let's, let's — (inaudible) –Bale: Yeah, you might get it. He doesn't fucking get it.McG: I got it, I know. I get it. I get it. I know.Bale: You might. He. Does. Not. Get It.McG: We made good adjustments. For real, honestly. I get it. Just walk for five seconds.Bale: No, I don't need any fucking walking. He needs to stop walking.McG: I get that –Bale: I ain't the one walking. Let's get Tom and put this back on and let's go again. Seriously man, you and me, we're fucking done professionally. Fucking ass.
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Your one dimensional examples are a joke. I don't even need to argue you political views...your simplistic characterizations are enough.
Of course EVERYBODY realizes government is needed for social programs, infrastructure, defense etc. There happens to be worldwide terror networks all over the world, transmitting, communicating, sending videos all via cell phone, internet etc. Your charaterization of the west having a good ole' time just rounding up 'brown people' for torture parties with their sadistic pals is idiotic.
And allow me to educate you with a tidbit you should have grasped in junior high: The Constitution does not apply to the whole PLANET nimrod. It would be nice if other countries saw fit to produce such a liberal, pluralistic document for themselves... but don't hold your breath.
Maybe during the Cold War you were still sucking on you mamas teet and didn't realize...the Soviet Union had rule over several countries with definable borders, conventional militaries and were just as motivated by mutually assured destruction as any other nation. Contrast that with an radical ideology based on a twisted theological concept of embracing death as the highest honor. These guys are not the keystone cops...they are serious. And frankly, they are far more willing to die defending what they believe than you are. You would drop the ideals you claim to hold so dear in a nano-second if these guys came knocking on your door.
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abusive behavior. But who really cares
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...please lead me to a quote showing where Obama has "vilified" the Israeli's. We need an objective approach to the Mideast War not some pseudo-religious horseshit like Bush and team tried to pull at the last second. Obama's administration may be no more successful than those before him but at least he's starting from the beginning of his term instead of 'Uh, what can we do near the end of my presidency to make me look good? Good idea! Let's make peace between Israel and those Palestinians!'
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...since you always seem to be down on the Israeli's, what would you do to stop Hamas from launching missle attacks against them? What is your proposal to acheive a lasting peace between the Arab states, including Gaza/West Bank, of course?
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to go get a drink with him?
We go off looking for a bar and we can't find one. Finally Brasky takes me to a vacant lot and says, 'Here we are.' We sat there for a year and a half — until sure enough, someone constructs a bar around us. Well, the day they opened we ordered a shot, drank it, and then he burned the place to the ground. Brasky yelled over the roar of the flames, 'Always leave things the way you found 'em!'"
absolute. classic. vintage. Ferrell.
As to the morons above, slight of build and mind, who pretend to 'think' that they can better illuminate the terrain of GITMO and and the way of the Devil Dog than a Marine who has actually toured the field. Thanks. That was maybe the stupidest thing I have read this week. Maybe. Ah, bless their wee overly read, overly emotive, across the pond, self loathing cowardly wee hearts. What whingy little poofy ponces. Brasky serving as a Marine and you not doesn't make him better..it just makes you..well..a pussy. Yep, that is about the sum of it.
As for GITMO..the best take of recent glance is by that big holly hack Rodney Lee Conover:
"...it’s all moot because our new president signed an executive order to shut down Guantanamo Bay Prison requiring it be closed within a year. And I say; “More power to ‘ya, President Obama - close down Gitmo!” Now I know what you’re thinking: “But Rodney Lee, if you close down Gitmo, where do you put the prisoners?” Answer: American prisons… “But Rodney, then they’ll get the same rights under the Constitution that regular American prisoners get.”
This is true.
But for you folks who don’t want Gitmo closed and the “detainees” relocated to American prisons to get fair trials and rights and lawyers and book deals and remote interviews on Oprah; I ask you: What good are rights under the Constitution when you, yourself are under a 270-pound Samoan cellmate named; “Chester”?… Say what? Chester lost a friend in the 9-11 attacks? Ouch, mommy!
And good luck chatting with your ACLU lawyer with a mouthful of shower soap and a shiv in your ear. Oh, and about that speedy trial? Hope it’s speedier than ten minutes because that’s about how long these guys are going to last in an American prison. “But Rodney, they’ll segregate them from the other prisoners – they’ll be protected.” … Oh yeah, a lot of good that did Jeffrey Dahmer, who was “protected” in prison - yet was beaten to death with a meat tenderizer (kind of ironic, eh?).
But I digress… Back to Guantanamo – I hear you get to read the Koran, eat three squares and what – pray five times a day? I got bad news for the idiots who think the enemy are being treated poorly at Gitmo: Put these guys in Rikers Island and the only thing they’ll be praying for is to be back in Cuba. Give these fanatics a choice between San Quentin and Abu Ghraib and they’ll form a naked pyramid faster than you can say; “Thank-you Slave-mistress Lynndie, may I have another?”
Put them in American prisons, my friends, and as Ross Perot used to say; “Problem solved.”
Point being, you small minded little children with no realistic sense of the world, all your whinging about the inhumane treatment of US prisoners in the world..never seemed to include Abu when Saddam was running the joint or any gang raped political prisoner in Tadmor, or La Sabeneta, or Diyarbakir..so sure, close GITMO. Give the poor misunderstood fellas the same treatment that every other swingin Joe gets at ADX supermax ...And as was so well and true written above..see how long it takes them get on their knees, a position they will be well familiar with at that point, and beg..BEG to be sent back to whence these non-US citizen foreign combatants came. Sheez. just moronity run a muck.Ah, what the hell..where is pancake house? Where is LOST talkback?
Did I mention that Brasky's family crest is a picture of a barracuda eating Neil Armstrong. -
Here's the article from Yahoo News:http://tinyurl.com/dzu5nbHe also defends Gitmo and warns against closing it.This movie appears to be very timely, especially since Cheney is not going quietly into the sunset and will still be engaged in the issue.
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needs to write something useful.
charlie wilson was vague in extremis.
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We might have saved American lives. Oh, MacFaux the Pussy, there has been plenty of evidence of torture at Gitmo. Plus, there's the underlying fact that those who are there have been held for years without trial. And The Bloop, if you think Death Row inmates who were falsely convincted and people who have been tortured who have never had the benefit of a trial at all are the same thing, then you, sir, are clueless.
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You don't think being in Max Security prison for ten years thinking your are going die there is a fom of torture? I bet none of the Gitmo gang for one second thought there were going to be beheaded or hanged, or thrown off a building, Hamas style.. And here's a thought, what if the people in question actually did plot or have killed people in terrorists attacks? Still against the early wake ups and loud music then?
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That girl in the banner ad on the right side of the page for the film "Echelon Conspiracy" is fucking hot.
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At last, something we can agree on.
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You is one damn fine True American!! Buncha towel heads thinkin they could get a trial based on somethin called 'evidence'. Anyone who thinks water boarding is un-American is themselves un-Christian. After all, What Would Jesus Do? You is one perceptive Southern Fried Gent. Yeee Haw!
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Thank God everyone on the planet is covered under the US Constitution. Let's hope those prisoners were read their Miranda rights. It must be hell being given access to the Quran, prayer 5 times a day, religious dietary considerations and more outdoor exercise than the average US prisoner. The Horror!
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Shit, lock me up without a trial! i'M FINE as long as I get me my outdoor fitness! I knows thez gittin the total spa treatment cause' somebody sez dey was. No need to go into it like dey did at the ol' Abu Garab or whatever dem towel heads say. Some Marines tattled on their superiors, though, and wrecked the whole damn thing. They could'nt of been real Marines though, they musta been plants but there by that bitch Pelosi and other 'Demon'crates. Some asshole just today was trying to tell me to 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.' What kind of un-American bullshit is that????? And also, 'Turn the other cheek'. What kind of un-Christian shit is that? People like me, Dr. Who and Bill "Lil'Cap'n" Brasky knows that 1. All Marines are Pro-Torture. 2. All ahrabs are terrorists. 3. All those who say EVERYONE is innocent until tried by a jury of their peers is a over-educated elitist asshole (and a whimp for not 'going with their gut'). The fact that General Washington would not allow his troops to torture their prisoners is beside the point. These is different times!!!
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Someone who does not cast the world in your simplistic, cartoonish, one sided, black and white view and calls your ass on it every time! .
But hey, keep on thinking I'm rah rah USA, pro torture guy. Your adolescent tone and obvious lack of nuanced thinking is a real hoot. Especially your self amusement of what you think is some kind of satire. Weak.
Your knowledge on the subject doesn't extend beyond what you read at salon.com.
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