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X-MEN casting news - Senator Kelly
Well folks, it looks as if ol Bruce Davison, veteren of such 'genre' films as WILLARD, CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND, SPIES LIKE US as well as Bryan Singer's last film... APT PUPIL. Well, the word I hear is that it looks like there may be a deal for him to play that pesky Senator Kelly. You see... In this X-MEN film, hatred and fear for Mutant-kind has already taken hold... Senator Kelly is one of the most rabid anti-mutant campaigners.... Sort of along the lines of good ol Senator Joseph McCarthy.
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Does anyone know if the script for X-men is available on the net, or a treatment?
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Was Jim Caverziel (or however the hell you spell it) ever confirmed? the artical said it would happen a week ago.
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... if it proves to be true. Worked with him for about four weeks on a movie of the week once. Great actor, great guy. Good deal.
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Where the hell was Bruce Davison in Close Encounters? Harry, I think you have him mixed up with Bob Balaban.
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Look, I have no idea, but he DID put in a PHENOMENAL portrayal of a gay man in Longtime Companion. He's absolutely one of the best actors working today, bar none. I wish Davison the best. Watch him in Short Cuts. Blows that Lemmon guy out of the water; and I don't mean Chris.
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I haven't been following the X-Men storyline since 1986, so I did not know that Kelly had become rabidly anti-mutant. How ironic for a character based on one of Washington's most rabid "liberals."
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All of you doubting bastards should be shot with that virus from the movie outbreak!!!
Singer is developing a kick ass cast, Bringing in people with tremendous acting ability is going to make for a well made movie.
So far the only person that was type cast was Patrick Stewart, what does that tell you?
It tells you that he's not going for what everyone would expect, he's taking his time and seasoning the movie properly.
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Honest to God! I figured "Apt Pupil", he'd be a likely choice since I had heard the Spacey rumor was just that -- rumor. Yeah, BD is a good actor. The dad in Apt Pupil could have been a real forgettable, throwaway role but thankfully he didn't make it that. This movie is surely the classiest comics film thus made. And if they blew it it will ruin everybody's career -- which I don't think will happen but if it did it could only be because of the script or the film's tone. But as Singer's films have a very reserved feel to them with this underlying tension building throughout, it should be nice and different than all the bombast of the Schumacher Batman films. Way to go, Bryan.
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im glad you asked that maximov! i thought maybe i just had holes in my memory.
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Well, they have a decent cast, a good budget, and a competent director. Maybe this'll finally wash out the bad taste left by so many other comic inspired movies from the last few years. I really like the idea of downplaying the FX in favor of stronger characterization. Let's just hope the studio lets Singer get away with it.
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Not that I'm criticizing your points but breathe, man, breathe! You have more commas, hyphens and other assorted punctuation than a Thackeray novel.
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I think Ian McKellen is a terrific actor who will do great in the Magneto role, whether or not he's gay. Besides, the whole X-Men plight itself has so many parallels to the gay rights movement that it almost seems fitting. I never really followed the comics, but I recall seeing the TV show and thinking how you could replace the word "mutant" with "gay" in a lot of dialog and it would easily become a show about gay rights.
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There's also the whole thing about growing up knowing you're a mutant and keeping it a secret for fear of being ostracized by the other kids.
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One of the problems i have with this site is the complete lack of historical perspective. now that AICN has become a pop-culture icon itself it's sad to see people making bone headed statements like the Joe Mcarthy thing. McCarthy went after communists, (real honnest to god communists, not bleeding heart writers and union organizers like HUAC, but thats another gripe). If they play Kelly they way i think they will he'll be more like those boneheaded segrigationist governors or congressional dixie-crats. Or are you trying to say being a mutant is akin to being a communist? On a lighter note I'm kinda disapointed they're going with the "poor downtrodden discriminated against mutants" angle. It's deffinatly a noble and a creative way to maker a statment but the stories that came out of it made some of the most boreing X-Men comics ever. who was it who said "if you want to send a message use wester-union" ? whoever it was has it dead on.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be attempting to shed a somewhat heroic light on Senator McCarthy. My response to that is...ARE YOU INSANE?!? McCarthy HEADED UP one of the darkest moments within this country's history...a witchhunt, just like Arthur Miller described in "the Crucible". What you are suggesting...that he goes after "real communists"...doesn't make it any better. Most communists had a belief system that they adopted. They weren't automatically selling secrets to the "Reds" or anything ludicrous like that. It was McCarthy and his people that villifed the mere concept of Communism, let alone those who practiced it. Your statement above just proves the level of ignorance you're working on. In relations to the X-Men...I think it's a sound comparison. Senator Kelly is to Mutants what McCarthy was to communists what Hitler was to the Jews...the concepts of prejudice and persecution given one horrible form. Of course, with that over-sized brain that you obviously possess, I'm sure you're certain the holocaust didn't happen either.
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Whoa, are you sure Singer is gay? Was it Donner or Singer who recently had a cist removed from their lungs or something like that? And are sure BD is gay?
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Thats right, everyone who disagrees with you about McCarthy or anything else to do with politics is automaticly a Nazi. But those kinds of charges don't even warrent a responce... McCarthy went after communists in the government. I'm not saying it's right to ban the communist party (As Nome Chompsky put it "if you don't beleive in freedom of speech for those you despise you don't beleive in it at all") but I don't see anything wrong with trying to keep someone out of government when they profess a system of beleifs that call for the violent overthrow of the US. How come no one sheds any tears for nazi sympathizers booted out dureing WWII? answer: because no one wants Nazi's in our government dureing WWII. This guy probably blames McCarthy for all the nasty things HUAC did. Can anyone name a single person who lost their job because of Joe McCarthy? and please, none of that "he set the tone for Nixon and the rest on HUAC." McCarthy a hero? not hardly. But a useful analogy for Kelly in X-Men? Even farther from the mark. I'm not trying to lionize McCarthy, just introduce the proper historical perspective.
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McCarthy went after Commies, yes, in theory. The reality of the matter is he just named names, and when you name that many people, a few will probably end up being comminist. But the fact is he just stirred things up to get elected, he got elected based on the fear he conjured up. He had little basis for his claims. The Allusions that Sen. Kelly and McCarthy, as legit for this reason. Kelly just talks and talks, getting people riled up, hating mutants. McCarthy, talked and talked getting people riled up, hating comminist. Everything McCarthy talked about was about Comminists. I don't think he could say anything else. Kelly is suppose to be the same way. So it works.
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I agree with you Volt, some historical perspective is needed--and here it is: Senator Joseph McCarthy was a hysterical proto-typical right wing despot who cleaved to, and created, a convenient mythology of Anti-American activities that was never substantiated in the least bit--none of the names he included on his lists of subversives were ever examined or confirmed. Mr. McCarthy had impeccable timing, knowing that he could manipulate great numbers of people into buying into the "Red Menace" based on the unease endemic to most citizens of adult age post World War I. He, along with his simpering, hypocritical aides Roy Cohn and David Schine, threw wild accusations willy-nilly, acutely aware that they had touched a nerve in a populace that was once so freaked out by Orson Welles' broadcast of "War of The Worlds".
All of this, and never once did he, or anyone in his camp, produce a shred of hard evidence--I mean he was censured by his peers (the Senate) for crying out loud. He was summarily denounced after all was said and done and it is commonly agreed by most American History scholars that he was one of the most disgraceful men ever to walk the earth.
Just thought I'd ring in with my two cents. Oh, and by the way, all of this can be totally substantiated--just crack open any decent, comprehensive book on American History and take a gander.
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First they call me a nazi(in so many words) now I'm a douchbag. What enlightened political discourse this has been. What we have here is a knee-jerk respsonce to politicaly herasy. It's absolutly unthinkable that McCarthy could have been anything less than pure evil in going after communists. 1950: McCarthy says the state department was infiltrated by communists. circa 1990's: declassified USSR documents prove Alger Hiss spied for Stalin. Problem was he was surrounded by yes men and was himself less than the sharpest knife in the drawer. I don't think there's any disagreement on what happened next and with the whole Chone thing so i won't go into it. Put simply, I have no sympathy for McCarthy's ultimate fate. As for Losey, again , that was HUAC's doing. HUAC being the HOUSE(the other body, not the SENATE which McCarthy was in) Unamerican Activities Comitee. (side note: HUAC was created by an anti-nazi congressman who ended up spying for the soviets himself. funny bit of historical irony eh?)
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How in the hell did the discussion start off talking about X-men and then take a turn promoting gay film directors and calling Volt a nazi?!? Is the only reason why you want to see this movie is because the majority of the crew are gay? I really don't care about the sexual preference of the crew, I was truthfully surprised that Ian McKellen and Brian Singer were gay (that's a pretty bold statement Nightsir, I hope your not just saying that) but the only thing that matters to me is how the overall movie turns out. Besides, as long the characters don't have a lisp as bad as John Malcovich in Con Air (sorry if it turns out he was gay too, I truthfully didn't know that either if that is the case). Now, with that said, you can put in a ton of racial overtones in my letter and call me a douche bag (heh heh, I LOVE that word!).
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My God, how old are you? I'm realizing that almost everybody who talks here is a child. The most important thing is that the actors have talent and not their sexual option. Where are we? Next to the new millenium and with this short minds? It's incredible.In a country like U.S.?It's ridiculous. Grow up and appear. X-men need fans with a brain. Sorry, I know that is not everybody, but I read so many stupid comments here that I decided to answer these fool things. Stop and put here good comments.
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While I did attack your outrageous stance on history, in no way, shape or form did I ever call you a Nazi. Reread my post. Read it again. Feel free to email me if you need illustrations to help. I didn't ever refer to you or suggest that you are a Nazi. You misread the facts and made your own assumptions based upon your misunderstandings. Much like your stance of McCarthyism.
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Excuse me, but with everyone going after the casting and inclusion of Sen. Kelley in the movie, just a thought:
Wasn't one of the longest running story-lines in the comics the anti-mutant govt. tactics that Kelley was a part of (knowingly or not). It's a long time thing in the x-men, so why not go it in the movie. It was also a feature in the cartoon. It's obvious that Singer is not trying to completely remake the X-men for the movie, this I believe will keep him from giving us another Batman and Robin.
I'm not going to touch on the Macarthy thing.
But what's wrong with including the Toad, especially with someone who can play him. Ray Park had to be dubbed over in SW:TPM because his voice wasn't meanacing enough, he'll be great for the Toad.
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I see, so you didn't write "...I'm sure you're certain the holocaust didn't happen either." How silly of me.
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SSzero and irish dave,
the script in any of its forms is not on the web as far as i know and i have been looking daily for the past month and a half. i found one piece of material that looked slightly like a twisted form of a script (it was an outline) but it was of a earlier realy bad draft of the movie based on Jubilee. -
This is sad, someone makes a rather intelligent remark, and gets called names! How childish is that?! Volt has made a great comparison between Sen. Kelly and McCarthy, now whether or not you like McCarthy and what he did, that's not important. The important thing is that the two are alike!! This is nothing to be called a douchbag or a Nazi over. This is a sad day when people bring history in a different point of view and they're made fun of. Now I don't agree with what was done in the past by McCarthy, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to go off on some guy who says that to some people he was probably viewed as a hero. Just as Sen. Kelly is viewed by the frightened public. What you have to understand is that the public looks for a hero, someone to stand against what they don't understand thus they fear. McCarthy and Kelly did this, they both stood up and said they were going to do something about it. Hitler did the same thing, he made Germany believe that they were the one's to rule the world. This a matter of understanding that man looks for someone to lead them, someone who will face their fears and show them that their fears can be defeated. Not "hey you're a douchbag" or "hey you're a Nazi"!! You have to look at the big picture.
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I saw the blurb but then I double checked in IMDB, he's not even listed. Sorry Harry. Good luck Bruce, you were sensational in a film no one saw called Love Life.
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Jul 20, 1999 11:59:29 PM CDT
X-Men: A political movie? Serious stuff? Oh my god, run for it..
by nightsir
Jessus,
Yo, El Duderino! John Malkovich is a known bisexual, which shows us how clever this guy is - always a date on saturday. It surprises me, that it is not so well known that Singer and McKellen are so openly gay, it tingles my mind. I -
Bolt, somebody who doesn't believe the holocaust didn't happen is not automatically a Nazi. Just ill-informed and ignorant. Trust me, if I'm gonna call you a Nazi, I won't mince words.
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Yeah I also checked IMDB, and Bruce Davison was not in Close Encounters. He was good in Apt Pupil though, which means he probably works well with Singer.
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HOW DO YOU KNOW ALL OF THIS STUFF?!? I never suspected Joel Schumacher either.. well.. then again.... the batman movies (he directed) always began with that disgusting extreme closeup of the crotch so... nevermind.
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I've long known Schumacher was a fag (look at his casting decisions) which leads me to doubt the X-Men. Yes, I know McKellan and Davidson are good actors, but one has to notice the coincidence that many of the cast & crew are gay...
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So mckellen and singer are gay who cares acording to statistics 1 out of eight men and women are either gay or by-sexual what matters is their skills in making a true adaptation of the xmen comic and not due what they did to the punisher. (dont check out the movie it will make you sick if your a fan) and we all know that Mckellan (sp?) is awesome at playing a Nazi which is what Magneto is more or less. we also know that Singer knows how to set the feel for what is needed in the Xmen movie and that the rest of the crue doesnt matter. though i dont beleive Bruce is gay no matter what his name suggests.
now for a question: exactly what villains are going to be in the movie ( i got: magneto, Toad(my personnal favorite), Mystique and sabertooth the brother hood has to be bigger that that. and than theirs mcarthy i mean Kelly.) thankyou -
I've heard this statistic before and every time am overcome but its utter ridiculousness... I mean, seriously... think about it. Name the eight people that you know really, really well. Like, your best friend, your signifigant other, your sibling, your grandmother, etc. Of those eight, how many of them are gay? I don't know any gay people personally. Not really well anyway. I've met several before, but I don't know any, and I know a lot more than eight people. I've taken a few psychology classes before and also know for a fact that there have never been any definitive studies done on this subject, so any statistic that you see on the number of gay people in the world has to have been gotten from an unreliable source.
And, oh, yeah... silly statistics aside... I agree that the sexual preference of an actor doesn't have much to do with his or her acting ability. Who really gives a shit... -
I have known many heterosexuals, homosexuals, and bisexuals over the years. Some of each orientation were good people, and some of each orientation were obnoxious. For those who are completely clueless about the film industry in Hollywood, here's a point of interest: the majority of the people who make films in Hollywood are bisexual or gay, and the majority of them are jews. If anyone has a problem with that reality check, tough. Live with it. If you liked their work before you knew, you should still like them after you know. Who cares?
McCarthy was after communists in any flavor. No, the USSR was NOT communist, at least not for long. Stalin turned it into a totalitarian, militaristic state. Read some books by Vladimir Posner. Communism, as a philosophy, does NOT call for the violent overthrow of the United States of America. Jeshua Bar Abbas (AKA Jesus Christ) was a communist. Martin Luther King was a communist. Does that make them evil? No, I'm not a communist, but I still think too many people are talking about things they know nothing about. McCarthy was a jerk trying to make a name for himself. See Reds some time. See We Live Again. Then tell me how the American attitude towards communism has changed over the years.
If the X-Men movie predictably sucks, it will be because no one cared enough to make it like the comics we know and love. If you didn't read the comics back then and love them, what they HELL are you doing here reading this?
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You know, allegory and all that.
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