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Marketsaw has another AVATAR scoop! New image of a Navi!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. Marketsaw, the 3-D obsessed site, has a good, good source that leaks them AVATAR stuff. They've gotten set pics and info pretty consistently for the last few months and now they've got another, a look at a Navi, one of the aliens from James Cameron's AVATAR. I've checked with a few of my own sources who claim that the image is indeed legit, but looks like a rough computer model, not too far removed from the raw mo-cap... hardly the final the render, with only simple lighting. Also, as you can see in the image below... it's naked. They will be clothed in the film. Be sure to click on the blurry leaked photo below to head back to Marketsaw and read their story.

Keep in mind that's a very rough, blurry leak... might even be in 3-D... it has a little bit of ghosting going on, doesn't it? But it's an idea of a step in the process and the overall feel Cameron is going for. What do you folks think?

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  • Feb. 1, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Nice blurry image

    by football


  • Feb. 1, 2009, 4:42 p.m. CST

    In fact... nice blurry image with tits!!

    by football


  • Feb. 1, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST

    I hope Cameron's effects look better than this

    by football


  • Feb. 1, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST


    by JDanielP


  • Feb. 1, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST

    The article says

    by Power_Girl

    James Cameron isn't happy with the SFX results in the film... not photo real enough for him.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST

    I couldn't see it. My eyeballs were fucked.

    by BYOBkenobi

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Eyeballs Being Fucked...

    by LaserPants

    by raw, unchecked (and, of course, blue-tinted) gayness. So in the Matrix 4, people download into (blue-tinted) characters from The Dark Crystal? Or are they, in fact, the ones who go to Tron world through the vessel of OUR digital selves? So many hacked out possibilities from a has been. Good luck, James "Michael Bay" Cameron, you're on the cusp of your Lucasing. Laying bets?

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST


    by Mullah Omar

    I'm still waiting for something about this film to wow me. My fingers are crossed and I'm rooting for Cameron, but so far, no dice.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST


    by TylerDurden3395

    That's all I got.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 4:49 p.m. CST


    by unkempt_sock

    blurry images of things that are SUPPOSED to FUCK our eyeballs that no one knows will be any good. I bet avatar is gonna suck all our left nuts

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 4:50 p.m. CST

    My eyes got a little opti-lingus, but they weren't fucked

    by TylerDurden3395

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 4:54 p.m. CST

    i want to be impressed...

    by hegele

    but the only thing thats keeping any interest is Cameron, every leak and description of plot/technology hasn't been too interesting. let's hope cameron blows our socks off when something official comes up.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    So this is a THUNDERCATS movie?

    by Sagart1994

    Looks like it to me.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Didn't we see concept art of this thing...

    by Bass Bastardson

    Ages ago? Or am I mistaken?

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    isnt it the guy in Alien Autopsy

    by Groothewarrior

    looks like him

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Wouldn't call that eyeballfucking

    by ev1ldead

    Maybe a little milk from the blurry thundercats tit hit my eyes, but still ...nah...wouldn't call that eyeballfucking. Cameron better gets a load of viagra and Bigelow as fluffer if he wants to do his job proper next time.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Naked Abe Sapien.

    by Damien Chowder

    Well at least it's not the usual "hey look it's a cup of coffee somebody from Avatar drank from!"

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, we did...

    by Bass Bastardson

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    "Nice Blurry Image" sums up everything we know...

    by TheMarineBiologist

    ...about Avatar. I'm pretty sure that the talkbackers that keep saying that this movie will be fucking our eyeballs are saying so in jest.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Cameron is back to show us all what a hack michael bay is

    by IndustryKiller!

    Thats what I think.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    I'd hit that..

    by CharyouTree

    ..right after I wipe the jism out my eye

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Oh my god a Navi!!!

    by Pompoulus

    I could care less about this project.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST

    That's just Milla Jovovich painted blue!

    by Bob Cryptonight


  • Feb. 1, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    fuckin elf/fairy like...after that T2 trailer...blah.

    by future help

    here's hoping.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST


    by j2talk

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 5:35 p.m. CST

    So Marilyn Manson got body painted?

    by Iron-kong


  • Feb. 1, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Dances With

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    UngaBlunks<p> Or whatever fills the wolf nich on that world

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    My eyeballs were just blue-balled. Thanks.

    by Mike_D

    damn blurry images.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 5:46 p.m. CST

    lol spy pics

    by Silverglade

    Why so blurry?

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST


    by LordEnigma

    WHO GIVES A FUCK. This asshole hoisted fucking Titanic upon us and in turn ruined countless industries. I could give a shit about this film, James Cameron, and fucking bullshit 3-D.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 6:20 p.m. CST

    "They will be clothed in the film"...

    by Ravetin

    ...pff, deal's off then.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 6:39 p.m. CST

    My eyeballs just got FUCKED

    by dioxholster

    boring pic of the day, i dont give a shit about those Navi till i see em in the movie. untill then lets just rest awhile and stop talking ab9out that movie. btw 3D sucks, sorry Cameron.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 6:40 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    Lowly dogs! This Is JAMES MOTHERFUCKING CAMERON! Bow your heads! How DARE you doubt this man's talent?<P> At least you can fucking SEE what's going on in his movies. This project has blurry still pics of characters, but will in all probability be something we can actually SEE ON SCREEN.<P> In contrast, our latest slice of Bayhem has luvverly hi-def shots of over-intricately designed fetishbots that will be BIG FUCKING NONSENSICAL BLURS the minute they move on screen!!!<P> I know which movie I'd like to fuck my eyeballs this year. And it ain't TF2 - where the only thing I'd like to be fucking, in any way, is the spectacular Megan Fox.<P> AVATAR WILL BE FUCKING YOUR EYEBALLS IN 2009, YOU FAITHLESS FUCKERS!!!

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST

    why are you numbskulls saying "I could care less about this proj

    by Talkbacker with no name

    "I could care less about this project" means fuck all. You could also care more! <p>Then you LordEnigma hack on the movie then say "I could give a shit about this film". You mean 'couldn't' right? <p>More point is this. Since when did 'could' become the one word used for that and 'couldn't'? Did I miss something?

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST

    PS I've read the treatment...

    by spud mcspud

    ...And if it's even a fraction as heartfelt, as emotional and as FUCKING BALLS-OUT ACTION as that treatment is, it will piss on George Lucas from a great height.<P> This is the man who gave us TERMINATOR 1 & 2, ALIENS and THE ABYSS. James Cameron WILL BRING IT!!!

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Talkbacker with no name

    by spud mcspud

    You're arguing English Comprehension on an AICN talkback?!?!?<P> You're a brave man on a noble, yet futile mission. I feel you, and I know EXACTLY what you mean - but I wouldn't hold your breath.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 6:53 p.m. CST

    AVATAR is not Viagra for our Eyes

    by dioxholster

    spud mcspud---stop just stop, ur embarrassing urself, promoting such idiotic art only makes you appear as an annoying salesman.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST


    by Melvin_Pelvis

    done Battle Angel first

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST

    I dunno, Talkbacker.

    by Pompoulus

    Maybe around the time the phrase, "more point is this" meant any goddamn thing at all.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Talkbacker with no name--- hello? how are you?

    by dioxholster

    where on earth did you come from? are you one of those that like getting gangbanged by 20 strange men and ending up in a pool of semen and your own vomit?

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST

    bring on the Cameraction!

    by bluebalrog

    cameraction;- excellence in cinematic storytelling accomplished by the greatest canadian filmmaker ever, james cameron. as indicated by the flawless weaving of powerful storytelling, three-dimensional characterization and consistent application of the latest in cutting edge-technology to his specific brand of filmmaking. btw, perhaps that ghosting on the navi image is simply a 3D image captured off a monitor. hope whoever took and posted that photo has life insurance, 'cause JC is gonna fuck their eyeballs with his liquid-metal dick when he catches them!

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 7:09 p.m. CST

    I could care less...

    by Toonol

    ...about Avatar. I could care a HELL of a lot less.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 7:22 p.m. CST

    after basically sucking this movie's dick...


    you reallllly shouldn't post things that do no justice to a film's final version. i mean i like scoops, but don't post a turd and then say...but this is unfinished- i'm sure the final thing will be awesomesauce!

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 7:36 p.m. CST

    we went to war

    by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.

    in Iraq with about this much intel.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 7:37 p.m. CST

    So, what then?

    by Lord John Whorfin

    No Avatar teaser for the Super Bowl?

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 7:46 p.m. CST

    I'm keeping the faith...

    by sonnyfern

    This is Cameron here. The dude knows how to make a fucking movie. I'm not a fan of CG flicks unless it's total fantasy like FF 7 or RE, but I'm going to keep an open mind and see what he's cooking up..

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 7:48 p.m. CST

    "I'm blind, man. I'm fucking blind."

    by MisterE

    "You're not blind, you've just got jism in your eyes."

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST


    by rogueleader66

    Come on Cameron, stop fucking around and show us something from this fucking movie, ANYTHING. Christ I am so sick of all the hype for this fucking movie and we have not seen a fucking thing worth getting even mildly excited about. The more I read from dick sucking fanboy fags about getting my eyballs fucked the more I want to shove a hot poker up all their asses and tell them to shut the fuck up until we are shown something worthy of getting excited about. JC is a great film maker but enough is enough, show me something, otherwise fuck this movie.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    By continually comparing Cameron to Bay you're simply demonstrating a) that you know nothing about their completely different approaches to filmmaking and that b) you wouldn't know a quality action movie if it came up and smacked you in the face.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Remove the spaces. Great Cameron interview. Ever heard Bay talking like that Pants?

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    I have zero excitement about this...

    by James Westfall

    ... is that wrong? Am I missing something? Sometimes people keep this shit TOO secret and it can stymie interest.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 8:06 p.m. CST

    The film isn't out til December

    by kwisatzhaderach

    It's a good thing Cameron isn't giving the game away this early. I feel like i've already seen Star Trek and Watchmen.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST


    by Dead_Geek

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....huh? James Cameron is still relevantuh...Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Aw, Kwizatz

    by LaserPants

    Haven't we gone over this already? I already mentioned several action movies off the top of my had which are vastly superior to James "Michael Bay" Cameron's movies. The Mad Max series for one. Yes, even part 3. The Bourne series for another. Every Run Run Shaw movie for a whole host of films. And then I went on to list movies with action sequences that are vastly superior to anything James "Diminishing Returns" Cameron has made -- the final battle in Seven Samurai, the city street retirement of the replicant in Blade Runner and the final battle in the Bradbury, the last 20 minutes of Children Of Men.<br><br> I'm well aware of what makes a good action movie. I am also well aware of what makes good action scenes. James "Michael Bay" Cameron made two good films -- Terminator and Aliens; the latter which is a great action sci-fi movie. He then went on to ruin anything cool about Terminator with T2, which, I'm sorry, is the represents very essence of the Michael Bay aesthetic. With T2, James "Has Been" Cameron created the Michael Bay aesthetic -- big, dumb, loud nonsense with big, dumb, loud explosions for big (or small or in-between), dumb, loud people.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 8:56 p.m. CST

    I totally disagree

    by ledbetter51

    with all of you.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST


    by bullet3

    Anyone who thinks The Bourne movies have better action than James Cameron's stuff is out of their fucking minds. I blame the Bourne movies for ruining the action genre. Ya, I get that its intense and realistic. You know what it also is? Fucking incomprehensible and boring as shit. I go to the movies to see exciting large-scale entertainment that I can follow, not these wimpy little quick cut fight scenes.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 9:24 p.m. CST


    by vaterite

    Hey! Listen!

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    This is a nostril fuck if anything...

    by eXcommunicated

    Not quite an eyeball fuck.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 10:03 p.m. CST

    So Fuck

    by Bobman46

    Really, I don't care.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST


    by Lord John Whorfin

    you should check out Farscape. Tons of non-humanoid aliens. Plus it's a fucking excellent show.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 10:19 p.m. CST

    My Eyeballs now have Blu-Balls!

    by ganymede3010

    Come on Jim, throw us a fucking bone already. This picture is teh suckage!

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST


    by Toonol

    You lost the argument when you listed off the movies you thought had better action than Terminator. That was serious?

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 10:46 p.m. CST


    by iwontwin


  • Feb. 1, 2009, 11:01 p.m. CST

    I'm, actually, not a Cameron fan...

    by beastie

    ... but seriously, we know next to nothing about the look or feel of this film and you lot are tearing it to shreds like it's the Phantom godamned Menace. What gives? What happened to judging a film based on it's trailer, and not on leaked unfiltered images?

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 11:33 p.m. CST


    by Lashlarue

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 11:34 p.m. CST


    by Lashlarue

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 11:42 p.m. CST

    What if...just what if...

    by BiggusDickus

    ...this film turns out to be - and please don't all start foaming - 'not very good'?<p>Will The Lord JC disappear under the sea for another decade or will it be outer space this time? Just askin'...

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Just now starting to think seriously about this film -

    by daggor

    I don't want to get my hopes too high. I'm thinking the only way this film will work is if the humanoid aliens are *completely* believable, visually.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:15 a.m. CST

    From Titanic...

    by Lashlarue

    to 10 years later... a blurry image.<p> Well, played sir.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Looks like a close encounter of the BLURRED kind.

    by otm shank

    Heh! Heh! He..aaaaaaaaaa I got nothin'.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:26 a.m. CST

    LaserPants thinks he's cool by hating the Legend

    by Power_Girl

    known as James Cameron. Comparing him to Bay just shows how utterly retarded you are. Hating James Cameron must be your crutch to thinking you have better taste than everyone else... you don't!

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:57 a.m. CST

    fucking bullshit, fuasclyou faggotskm,

    by Stengah

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Wait. This is the one about the MoonCats?

    by thebearovingian

    So, is this a NaviCat pic? Looks like a glowing, blue, slimmed down, balding, thin-haired, 32 B bustline, Orc chick-beast. Is that a good enough description? I feel like I'm dead on.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2 a.m. CST

    Could have been done with make up!

    by catlettuce4

    So much for CGI ground breaking, etc

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Hope this will be NC-17 and has Megan Fox in it.

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    AVATAR - Fucking your eyeballs in 2009!!!

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2:45 a.m. CST

    Can this really be described as Cool News?

    by quantize

    more like blurry bullshit

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2:53 a.m. CST

    The Bourne movies

    by kwisatzhaderach

    are great. But Greengrass mistakenly thinks that crossing the line, rapid-fire editing (no more than 2 secs per shot) and confusing the geography of the scene makes for 'exciting'. The reason the action scenes work in The Bourne films is that we are invested in the characters. Greengrass is nowhere near as good an action director as Cameron is.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Your hatred of T2 is leading you on the slippery slope to madness. T2 was credited as an intelligent sci-fi film, for having plot and characterisation amidst the (groundbreaking) mayhem. Everything about T2 screams bravura filmmaking. Again, I will point out that T3 copies T2 note for note, to lesser and lesser impact. God T3 was shit.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:14 a.m. CST

    I could give a shit

    by Ray Gamma

    about stupid Americans and their illogical use of grammar.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Yeah I can see myself masturbating to that

    by ricarleite

    But no, still not fucked my eyeballs.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Why So Human????

    by ThePilgrim

    The Navi is one of the altered human clones, correct? If not, Why does it have pinkish human skin tones on the lips and Caucasian skin tones around the eyes. Hell even in the blur it looks like the eyes re really close to human in size and placement. <P> Shouldn't this entire model be outer worldly and unique? I like the non jointed/unboned cheeto fingers. I read a little of the scriptment, and I always wondered how those fingers would look. Now I know. I stopped reading it after the giant floating jelly fish creatures attacked them on the floating mountains. <P> I really want this movie to live up to the hype but that model is not visually appealing like the scriptment described, It looks anorexic in a bad way no sleek and thin and visually stunning. Does it have an ass? I'm trying to say all of this politely.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 5:19 a.m. CST

    Damn You Michael Bay


    Damn You Michael Bay

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Avatar...slapping your eyeballs like a flaccid dick in 2009

    by quantize

    ...well if that elfin alien bullshit is any indication

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 5:58 a.m. CST

    If this thing smells anything like the Abyss

    by quantize

    count me out thanks..i know that film gets a lotta love on this site, but its boring as fuck...yes we get James LOVES the undersea world..its just like an ALIEN WORLD wwwwwoooooow

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 6:17 a.m. CST

    Cameron is shitting in his pants right now

    by codereduk

    because he's devoted so much time and effort into this movie, and it's starting to dawn on him that not only will AVATAR not live up to the hype, it won't even be a half decent film in it's own right.<p> There has been nothing released about this film that is worth a plug nickel. <p> AVATAR = The New Battlefield Earth

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 6:33 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Ah well, I'm going to see this. Titanic is one of my all-time favs so he has earned my ticket.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 6:39 a.m. CST

    You have to fish

    by ThePilgrim

    You have to get pieces of it out there to see what the fish think. You have to make a better lure by testing it. He's not fishing. I like surprises as much as the next man, but damn I'm not feeling the beauty of that Navi creature. I could make that thing in zbrush pretty quickly, and I as an artist would not be impressed with it. There is no ass on it whatsoever. Is that even right visually for something you want the audience to fall in love with? You give it breast but no ass. It has an Liquid Television Aeon Flux Sickly thiness to it. Go fish.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 6:41 a.m. CST



    Of course it is. It's the epitome of cool news. That's the kind of stuff that made this site what it is - only we get less and less of it now. But that's only because there's more competition about.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 6:42 a.m. CST

    And to the AVATAR doubters/haters...


    ... you're all gonna look like dumb fuckers come this December. I cannot wait.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 7:23 a.m. CST


    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Oh my God!

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 8:03 a.m. CST


    by DanboJohnJ

    why folk worship Cameron i don't know.OVERATED i think.his last good film was 23 years ago.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 8:12 a.m. CST

    I'd rather them NOT wear clothes in the movie

    by alienindisguise

    at least it doesn't look like jar-jar or anywhere close to being that gay so that's reason enough to celebrate.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Here's what I love about talkbackers...


    The ease with which you try to tear down the work of paid professionals as though you were critiquing a student film in a community college course. Are you stupid for saying something looks like crap? No, of course not. But it IS stupid to think somebody like James Cameron **couldn't tell** if it looked like crap. Like what's plainly, obviously lacking to you would be given the greenlight from the guy who has a history of redefining the possibilities of special effects. <p> Just like Quint mentioned, it's most likely not a final render, and it's at least not the way it will appear in the film. In case you don't know, Cameron's using some pretty advanced imaging programs to present "live" effects footage on set. Basically, it shows you where the CG characters are within the set, it frames the angle of the shot and basically keeps track of the geography of everything in the shot - with some basically rendered effects in real time. So for all we know, this is one of the basically rendered images of a N'avi. Actually, it's probably not a N'avi, but an actual avatar. If you've read the scriptment, you know the avatars are made of N'avi DNA and human DNA combined. So who's to say the N'avi themselves aren't a little less humanoid in appearance? I'm betting this simple character representation is just a pre-viz version of Grace's avatar. That's my guess. <p> Either way, whether or not you're much of a Cameron fan (though I still have a hard time fathoming anyone who is a big enough geek to frequent AICN yet actually dislike the work of Jim Cameron... hard to wrap my head around it,) you at least have to understand how revered he is by other filmmakers, digital effects wizards, special effects masters, science fiction writers, screenwriters... pretty much anyone who could call themselves a peer of Cameron's. They're all smart enough to know how and why he's got the reputation that he has as a master of his craft. And if these people are going apeshit over what they've seen or know about the project, it's flat out ridiculous to me to think the average talkbacker would thumb his nose at this film.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Codereduk: "it won't even be a half decent film in it's own righ


    You make me laugh, dude. <p> You know, about two years ago, I started copying and saving things I read online - talkbacks and opinion articles and such - written by people claiming HD-DVD would be the clear winner in the format war and Blu-Ray would be a disastrous failure. One of my favorites was, "People will never choose Blu-Ray over HD-DVD if only for the name. They know what HD is, they know what DVDs are... but they don't know what the hell this Blue Ray shit is. They won't have anything to do with it. I guarantee it." <p> Well, just thought you'd like to know your post will be the first entry into my "Avatar will be a big, stupid failure of a film" file. We'll talk again this time next year, when Jim's breaking records again, and I'll be looking through the file for some good, meaty irony to re-post. I think "Avatar = the next Battlefield Earth" will work just fine, thanks. ;-)

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 8:40 a.m. CST

    HEY! HEY! HEY!

    by bingo the clown


  • Feb. 2, 2009, 8:45 a.m. CST


    by codereduk

    Why just file it, why not frame it and put it on your wall. I'll stand by these words now, a year from now, ten years from now.<p> Come December, I will be proved right. <p> Besides, if that entry is only the first into your "Avatar will be a big, stupid failure of a film" file, then I would suggest you have a lot of catching up to do because, frankly, I'm kind of late to the party<p> I was willing to root for Cameron on this one for a while, but every single thing that has been released regarding this film has been a let down. I was riding high on hope, but I've been let down by the reality.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Besides, this is all a moot point

    by codereduk

    Because I would be willing willing to wager that Avatar won't even be out by December, it will be pushed back until 2010....

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Laserpants to Cameron = Ringwearer to Jackson

    by DoctorWho?

    Irrational, unbrideled hatred. Michael Bay?? T2 dumb action?? You're drunk dude. You've just handicapped every critique you will ever give.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Any pictures yet

    by Jodet

    Of Papa Smurf? He's in this film, too, right?

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Action scenes that Cameron has directed

    by skimn

    that beats the snot out of Bay. The foot/car chase in Terminator. The final stand between the Queen and Ripley in Aliens. The motorbike/truck chase in the LA canals in T2. The mens room gun/fist fight in True Lies (the best non-Bond "Bond" fight sequence), even though Titanic gets a lot of shit for its tin ear script, 2 dimensional characters, and "luv" story, once the ship hits the ice, the story and sinking of the ship plays out brilliantly in almost real-time and the tension and suspense builds slowly. Bay comes out with cool images and camera angles, but show me ONE full out sequence that matches any of Camerons. I will admit the freeway chase in Bad Boys 2 was well done, and perhaps his best, best other than that??<p>LaserPants good to see you show up once again in an Avatar TB. At least you didn't say "WOBODADDY" this time. And no, I'm not convinced by anything I've seen or heard that this will be a work of genius, or even good. But your insistence of equating Bay and Cameron is absurd.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 9:11 a.m. CST

    I guess AVATAR mean blue Night Elf on World of Warcraft

    by skycrapper

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 9:13 a.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    "every single thing that has been released regarding this film has been a let down."<p> Dude, we haven't seen jack shit of this film yet except a couple of actor stills, set shots and a fuzzy cell phone shot of half rendered, undressed alien.<p> These grand declarations on both sides... of what this film will be are laughable.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 9:36 a.m. CST

    You gotta be fucking kidding me. Look at that shit.


  • Feb. 2, 2009, 9:38 a.m. CST



    If Cameron doesn't want his designs to be critiqued as if it were the work of a film-school student, than he shouldn't sign off on designs that look like they were created by a 2nd year Graphic Arts student.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST

    What do I think?

    by Kentucky Colonel

    I think I'd like to be in Amsterdam right about now, along the Prince's Canal, drinking mushroom tea and having an order of FEBO fries "met". Then I'd slip over to the Dolphin coffeehouse, have a muffin and try out the new vaporizer.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Kaminoan alien from ATTACK OF THE CLONES?

    by FleshMachine

    same design.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Cameron not happy with effects?

    by Jodet

    So in twenty years we'll see 'Avatar: the Special Edition', right?

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    All I'm trying to do is help you...

    by codereduk

    understand that <strike>The Name of The Rose</strike> Terminator 2 is merely a blip on an otherwise uninterrupted downward trajectory.<br> Renton: What about Titanic?<br> Sick Boy: I don't rate that at all.<br> Renton: Despite the Academy Award?<br> Sick Boy: That means fuck all. It's a sympathy vote.<br> Renton: Right. So we all get old and then we can't hack it anymore. Is that it?<br> Sick Boy: Yeah.<br> Renton: That's your theory?<br> Sick Boy: Yeah. Beautifully fucking illustrated.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 10:07 a.m. CST

    My eyeballs have closed their legs.

    by Orbots Commander

    This is all we get for AVATAR? A blurry cell phone picture? I'll say it: Meh.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Oh and if AVATAR 3-D is like last night...

    by Orbots Commander

    ...with the MONSTERS VS. ALIENS shtick and the red and blue glasses, color me unimpressed. Apparently, the technology hasn't changed since JAWS 3-D.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 10:40 a.m. CST


    by skimn

    When was the last time you were in a theater with 3D? Of course televised 3D has to resort to the two-color lens to create the 3D effect. For years Real3D has used the polorised lens glasses to create some stunning 3D.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    How can you be let down when there hasn't been anything released yet? All we've seen so far are some on-set stills, no finished footage. So how can you be let down by the reality when you haven't seen anything from the film yet? Weird...

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Well said.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    If that image was REAL......

    by standundermyumbrella

    Woudn't FOX have issued AICN with a CEASE AND DETEST order by now???

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST

    CHUD isn't impressed......

    by standundermyumbrella

    Looking at this I'm doubly perplexed that Cameron couldn't pull this off with people in suits. And I don't mean green screen suits, I'm talking dancers in body suits. Hell, this looks a lot like a CGI version of Doug Jones' Abe from the Hellboy movies. I've long felt that this particular emperor may be wearing no clothes - the story of Avatar feels uninteresting and now the first images (albeit sneaks) underwhelm. I don't think this is going to be a bad movie, but at hundreds of millions of dollars, I am wondering if Avatar will deliver on the levels we need it to deliver - ie, beyond being a big, expensive action picture.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST


    by Second Try


  • Feb. 2, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Well said indeed

    by DoctorWho?

    I will give my opinion of this film AFTER I'VE SEEN IT.<p> The degree to which people hate on the most inconsequential shit is astonishing!<p> This is similar to playing you 2 notes out of Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra and you judging it to be shit simply based off of that. You guys must be 20-something internet babies with sound-byte brains and micro attention spans.<p> Let the man craft his film and present a finish product! Of course, at that point you will have spent a better part of a year saying "s'gonna suck" and will have to maintain your outrage to save face even if you like the film. Pace yourselves idiots.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Ace of Wands


    Yeah, I'm the only one around her trashing Cameron, eh? <p> The design does look like shit. And unless he absolutely redesigns it (which he won't) than I have nothing to worry about, and this film will most definitely tank. I understand this is an early rough test shot of the character. I'm not judging the execution of it. I'm judging the design. It looks like fucking dogshit. <p>My opinion, if you don't like it-- eat a fucking dick.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST

    RE: "CHUD isn't impressed......

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST

    RE: "CHUD isn't impressed......"

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Who gives a fuck? This is AICN.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Avatar. Stinking up the joint in '09

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Get ready.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Avatar: the next big thing Cameron will sink like the Titanic

    by ScottinDC

    I'll bet anything this ends up being an overwrought bomb that does moderate box office but not enough to recoup the astronomical budget. C' I the only one who thought The Abyss blew?

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Didn't you learn anything from the pre-release press coverage of Titanic?

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST


    by TheWaqman

    And it's warranted. Look at the shit pile of action movies we have to sit through in 2009. McG, Michael Bay, Stephen Sommers? All carrying 200 million plus productions under their belt. All sadly being hyped. Fucking morons like DANNYGLOVERDICKBLOOD and LaserPants can keep bringing it down, but really we need James Cameron so much now. At least admit he's a better alternative than the 3 stooges of summer.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    ...can suck it. Bunch of snooty pantywaist gadflies.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Well said.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST


    by ScottinDC

    Coverage and pre-release hype does NOT equate to box office (look at Snakes on a Plane). Hell I'm hoping this comes out Summer is going to be slow otherwise; but I just have a feeling this may wind up being a lot more hype than 'hit'.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST

    I agree. Fuck CHUD.


  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    What I meant was the press spent two years slamming Cameron and Titanic...and we all know how that one turned out.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    who slammed Titanic?


    They just kept poking fun at the escalating budget. Not at the film itself. I remember entertainment shows licking that movie's balls before they had seen it. They called it the next Gone With The Wind and shit.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    But to defend the appeal of Titanic.....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD was something NEW! And I don't mean new like how this Avatar 3D gimmick is supposed to be all bright, shiny, and new. Its clearly the general public can really give a fuck about all this bullshit. Bold 3D anyone? Yeah. I'm talking the size and scope of the film, a massive period film with insane practical effects and that big full scale fucking boat. It was impressive, and it it was something we hadn't really seen in awhile. I think at this point most people are pretty burned out on CG. You can only brag about how groundbreaking a film's effects are so many times. Audiences have seen pretty much everything. And this humanoid cat thing will not put asses in seats. The only thing they can ride on is Cameron's name. But I dunno.....I really don't think FROM THE DIRECTOR OF T2 has the power so many of you think it does. For one thing-- there is a new Terminator film coming out. So that sort of takes a little steam out of the Terminator name. Audiences will focus on the new on, not the old one. <p> Now explain to me again how I go around slamming Cameron and Avatar without explaining my views. Fuckers.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Pre-release Titanic was mocked, the same way Dances With Wolves was (Kevin's Gate). All i'm saying is it's easy to mock something based on preconceptions. But Cameron is a smart guy, and I'd think it unlikely he would risk his cinematic comeback unless he knew what he was doing.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST


    by NoHubris

    I'm a Cameron fan, but the image is clearly in THUNDERCATS territory.<p>So I guess Cameron's specialty in world-building (i.e. Pandora) and the action scenes will be the aspects of AVATAR which are original and new.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    hey may be smart....but he also has a massive ego.


    Combination that can brew failure.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    That thing looks like Billy Fucking Zane!

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    But Avatar is not a sequel, remake or comic book movie. It too is something original, albeit something which undoubtedly takes a lot of elements from previous sci-fi stories. And you could argue that Titanic was not really something new, seeing as everyone knew the story beforehand. What made Titanic work was Cameron's presentation of the old story, retold with new technology.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Well, something we can agree on. Cameron undoubtedly is arrogant and has a massive ego. But, unlike all the other Hollywood pussies (hello Brett Ratner) Cameron backs his arrogance up with raw talent and creativity.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    even worse that its not a sequel, comic book, or remake....


    ....look at the numbers man. Big budget originals don't do so well.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Star Wars? Raiders of te Lost Ark? E.T.? All 'originals', reworkings of old tales presented in a modern manner.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach -- I'm talking today. Last 5 years.


  • Feb. 2, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    I take your point the massive budget may be a stumbling block. Havign said that any old crap can make $100 million opening weekend these days.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    This movie just might not be successful though...

    by TheWaqman

    Dickblood has a point about big budget originals in recent times. I really hope it does good though. Because like I said in my last post. GI Joe? Transformers 2? McG Terminator? It's the fucking summer apocalypse.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    2008 hits and bombs


    Dark Knight, Indy IV, Iron Man, Mamma Mia, Madagascar 2, Quantum of Solace, Prince Caspian -- all massive hits, all based on previous work -- either a sequel, comic, remake, book, or both...... <p> Now the bombs-- Australia, Miracle at St. Anna, Love Guru, Meet Dave, Pride and Glory, Swing Vote, Redbelt, Charlie Bartlett, Delgo........all original works. Some may be based on previous books, but they're not very well known. <p>Of course there are the Speed Racers, and Kung Fu Panda's to argue otherwise, but if you look at it over recent years, it pretty much breaks down to support my point.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    And Titanic....

    by TheWaqman

    ...had "doom and gloom" written all over it before release.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST


    by uberman

    Now, this will take something called 'Character' on your part, but here's the challenge: DO NOT SEE THIS MOVIE. EVER. Back up your extraordinary psychic ability that you already have determined to hate this film. We, your colleages here at ACIN will see it for you, thus saving you from what you already know will be a horrible experiance. Another thing: If this movie was being made by, say, Uwe Bowl, I think we all could agree that it most likely would suck, based on Uwe's track record. However, for this geek, Cameron has I was thrilled with each one (least of them was the spy one, but even that entertained). Will this one be a mistep? Maybey, but I doubt it. If I'm betting, I'm betting the farm on AVATAR.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Throw in JJ Abrams Star Trek as well as Angels and Demons, Night at the Museum 2...the list is endless. Thank god for Michael Mann.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST


    by TheWaqman

    the bombs you listed were all terrible movies. None of them had even close to a percent of the clout James Cameron has, or the hype. Fucking Delgo? Are you kidding me man? Now you're stretching.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST



    I just looked up the biggest bombs of the year overall. Cameron's name is what the movie will need to rely on. If you think enough people remember who he is, or give a fuck about his past work, then yeah-- it has a chance of doing good business.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST



    I'll see it eventually. But I refuse to ever pay for it. Cameron is a prick and I don't like contributing to the fortune of pricks. I'll watch a bootleg problem.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:17 p.m. CST

    They can market the fuck out of this

    by skimn

    .." James Cameron...director of The Terminator...Aliens...and the biggest film of all time, Titanic, returns to the screen with his first feature length film in over a decade. The most dazzling adventure you will ever THIS world.....AVATAR.."<p>With kick ass visuals, even the haters will have to see it out of curiousity.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:17 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    You know this to be true! And also You jump I jump!! The end was Rose meeting Jack again in heaven. I love that movie with all my heart!!! <P> But I will boycott Avatar due to Tom Rothman's involvement!!!

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:18 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    You should never see a summer movie again in that case. 90% of directors are pricks. At least Cameron is talented.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    If James Cameron writes a letter of apology to me.....


    ...I shall stop trying to destroy his comeback. I'm already telling everyone I know to boycott the film because he employed child slave labor while shooting down under. Most of them believe me.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Big Budget Originals

    by NoHubris

    NATIONAL TREASURE (2004) is one of few successful big budget original in last 5 years.<p>The problem is the odds are stacked against them because TPTB aren't making enough IMHO.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Cameron shot Titanic in Mexico.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Isn't Avatar shot somewhere Down Unda?


    Thats what I meant. Maori slave labor!

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Oops, misread your post. Very funny. Though what has Cameron ever done to personally slight you?

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST


    by geek molester


  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Top drawer alien ladyboy rack!

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST



    He just always rubbed me the wrong way. I thought he was overrated since I was a kid. Never really got the fascination of Terminator films. And I can't believe he already came off like a massive prick in Aliens interviews. How can you be a dick right off the bat? Makes me think it has nothing to do with films or financial success, I think he was just born a dick. He was probably a total prick in High School-- he drove a Trans Am and threatened to blow a kid's fucking face off if he sat next to his girl in class.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    I'm surprised no one's posted

    by skimn

    Sexiest Beanpole In The Galaxy...too old?

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    it does look like Marilyn Manson in the Dope Show video.....


    .....and holy fucking shit-- didn't Cameron direct Manson's latest video where he humps Evan Rachel Wood? I thought that was so fucking bizarre he took that gig.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Well, Cameron's gotta eat too.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    God knows he ain't making any dough doing Bismark Docs for the Discovery Channel.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Cameron hasn't had to eat for 12 years

    by TheWaqman

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST

    he can afford to eat CUNT CAVIAR.....


    ....for the rest of his life with his Titanic cash. He never needs to work again. He can just sit in his hammock, on his private island, dreaming about having the opportunity to beat Linda Hamilton's face in once again.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Ace of Wands got jokes!


  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Yeah Terminator 1 was an incredible love story.


    An early sober version of Michael Beihn travels back in time to save Sarah Connor, he explains to her "THIS THING WILL NEVER STOP UNTIL IT KILLS YOU!! HEY UH......SINCE I'M NEW IN TOWN AND YOU'RE LIKE IN DANGER.....YOU WANNA FUCK?"

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Terminator 1 WAS a love story Danny.....

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Between Lance Henriksen and Paul Winfield.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I liked the cheesy scene with the ghost of Michael Biehn. Can understand why that was chopped. Eewww...

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    See, I would Fuck That.

    by DOGSOUP

    But I'm weird. Good thing I live in Portland.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    "If you think enough people remember who he is, or give a fuck a

    by DoctorWho?

    If you ask the average movie goer "Who is James Cameron?" You're going to get MOST people mentioning Titanic/Terminator and maybe Aliens. These were indelible impressions made upon the public conciousness and pop-culture.<p> And if you refused to enjoy the works of artists who were considered 'pricks' at various wouldn't be enjoying HALF the 'art' you do now.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2:25 p.m. CST

    I wonder................

    by Stuntcock Mike

    If i could see my cock as I fucked that invisible ladyboy.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Re: High School Cameron

    by skimn

    My vision is the AV geek who liked to ride motorbikes on the weekend, and tinker with engines and audio-video gear. He envied the more popular jocks, while he stood on the sidelines, dreaming of the day that he would become "The King Of The World!" Cue embarrassing moment on the Academy Awards...<p>But a wife-beater? Really?

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Jackson banged out the greatest trilogy of all time in a fraction of the time it's taking to make Avatar. That's embarassing!

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Go fuck yourself.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    I dont wanna get into Aliens....


    That mother/daughter love connection felt about as forced as Roman Polanski's cock in a 13 year old. <p>And I understand Cameron thinks all his films are these grand love-stories. Its not very subtle now, is it? But that doesn't mean its executed well. Like the John/Daddy love affair in T2. God it makes me wanna fucking puke in my mouth just thinking about it. No wonder the guy that wrote these so called love stories has been divorced 5 times. What the fuck does he know about love? No fucking wonder.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST

    And Cameron said "Its because I love you."


    Right before he busted his 3rd wife's eye open with a coffee cup.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Did we see the same Aliens?!?! <P> I agree that T2: WE WUB WOO WOBODADDY was weak as hell.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST


    by skimn


  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Nope. They both suck.


    Its yet another gimmick. How can we really put Ripley in danger? Not just watching out for herself, but for someone she really cares for....oh I know-- lets give her a kid!! So she can became real motherly and shit because she lost a daughter and then conveniently finds one that just accepts her as her Mother all of a sudden and there is this great iconic image of Riplet, Newt, and Hicks-- like on great Alien fighting family unit! And then we get the great parallel of Ripley as a protective Mother fighting the Queen as a protective Mother!! YES!! <P>Fuck that shit. Ridley Scott probably spit when he heard the news Cameron was making Ripley a Mommy. He spit all over the back of the Thai hooker he was buggering from behind.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST


    by JDanielP

    in '09

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2:55 p.m. CST


    by JDanielP

    That's what I get for copyin' and pastin'. Didn't read it, dang it.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    All you T2 haters

    by CharyouTree

    Fuck off, WAA WEAA WOBBODADDY WAS TO OBVIOUS, Get a new act, T2 is one of the greatest movies of all time, your not cool because you hate it you know, so suck on my greeny, yellowy, cheesey, child size, smegma ridden cock. And AVATAR will be amazing.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST

    What did James Cameron say to his ex-wife with 2 black eyes?


    Nothing. He done told that bitch twice already!

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Linda Hamilton Interview..

    by CharyouTree

    ..on Graham Norton years ago, she said she used his first draft, un-used, Titanic Oscar, acceptantce speech in the divorce proceedings to prove Camerons insanity, but so what all genius' are pricks.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    One of the greatest movies of all time? Okay ... what other movies would you consider to be in that category?

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    All you whiny Titanic haters can fuck off!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Yeah, I mean all of you 8-year-olds who where born after the movie's release. Go back watching Speed Racer or some other infantile shit, you fucking monkeys. Thanks.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack = LaserPants?!?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Both sound like the same broken record.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST

    I disagree. LotR is NOT the greatest trilogy of all time.

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Certainly not.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    ...also says that T3 is the only Terminator film he enjoys.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    I'm not going to get into a pissing contest

    by skimn

    into trying to convince someone to like a movie they don't, but does one private life and their activities, proven or not, legal or not, disuade you from watching their efforts?

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:29 p.m. CST


    by CharyouTree

    well said,

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    And I don't want to take one's illegal actions lightly

    by skimn

    if one is supposed to serve jail time, then so be it.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST



    I did say that because it was the only one of the bunch that was just a fun action film that didn't take the concept too seriously and try to be something its not. But I actually take that back now. I saw the first recently and forgot that film is pretty fun as well. There are a lot of laugh out loud holy shit moments i forgot about-- like smoking Dick Miller in the gunshop "WRONG!" <P> But T2 still sucks massive balls. So now I've changed me tune and I'll say that 1 and 3 are pretty fun films, but hardly great films. That being said-- the fourth one looks like it could end up being the most interesting of all of them.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    BSB =/= LaserPants

    by skimn

    For one, he has a sense of humor. At least a better one.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack


  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Cameron is totally into throwing fists.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Just ask Kathryn Bigelow. He used to deliver stunning cunt punches at the drop of a hat.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    then what is? And please don't say Star Wars. Because it ain't no trilogy no more.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    That be another reason.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    I'd take 48 Hours 1 and 2 over LOTR trilogy.


    But you're probably right. I would have said Die Hard. But not a trilogy now....FUUUUUUUUUUUCK!! Really-- there aren't that many trilogies.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Actual Cameron household dialog!

    by Stuntcock Mike

    *Cameron: Bitch, don't make me hurt my hand again.* *Bigelow: But I took out the garbage James.* *Cameron: That's it! Stand back woman, I'm gonna take a strip off the Fat Meat of your scalp!.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Cameron knocks a clean right cross straight into the cunt!



  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Star Wars does suck

    by CharyouTree

    at least we can agree on that you sexy bastard, I like to nominate Back to the Future as one of the greatest trilogys, not the best but one of them

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST


    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD <P>Holy shit! Whats up with Cameron only banging manly broads? No fucking wonder he jerked off to the idea of Vasquez.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    AMEN CharyouTree.....


    I would probably agree. Back To The Future for the greatest trilogy of all time. <p>

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST


    by Drath

    Unless squinting at the screen to stupid fuzzy picture of blue Gelfing Thundercat-thing is somehow supposed to be what "fucked eyeballs" feels like--in which case, massive let down, Jim. Your better work hard to live up to the hype caused by your butt-boy minions on Talkback.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    I seriously can't think of a better one..

    by CharyouTree

    .. I love LOtR but its losing appeal upon repeat viewings, but BttF, that shit got me playing the motherfucking guitar, and now I'm i fuckin rock star baby!

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Smokey and the Bandit is the Cunt Caviar of trilogies!

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    sexiest tomboy beanpole in the galaxy

    by ArcadianDS

    I win something, right?

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    "Fuck Linda, I'm running out of walls to put you through!"

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 4:02 p.m. CST

    LOTR is the best trilogy eva....

    by TheWaqman

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 4:02 p.m. CST

    when Cameron saw Arnie dunk the chick's head in the toilet in T3


    .....he threw his remote at his fucking big-screen, screaming, "I CAN'T FUCKING BELIEVE I MISSED OUT ON DIRECTING THIS SHIT!!"

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST

    I can't believe he turned down a chance to sniff

    by Stuntcock Mike

    the Daines ginch.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Third movie was the best - it was a lurrve story.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Do you remember the Terminator title spam talkbacks? They were epic, due to Laser's great work.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    You do get I meant BSB having better sense of humor

    by skimn


  • Feb. 2, 2009, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Audio of Christian Bale freaking the fuck out....


    ....on Terminator set. <p>

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 4:16 p.m. CST

    I got that skimn. And I agree.


  • Feb. 2, 2009, 4:24 p.m. CST

    paul blavarta mall cat.

    by ironic_name

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Thank You, BSB

    by LaserPants

    At least you appreciate the humor and don't take this stuff too seriously. Seems to me some people need to get on out of mom's basement and live a little; it might put nonsense like T2 into perspective.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Oh, And T2 Is A Howlingly Awful Piece Of Shit

    by LaserPants

    As was Titanic. As was The Abyss. As was, lets face it EVERYTHING James "Michael Bay" Cameron has done since his best film -- ALIENS, a movie that I love. I get the feeling that those of you who are still sucking James "Diminishing Returns" Cameron haven't seen many films, and that T2 was probably one of the first movies you ever saw. Otherwise, you would EASILY be able to right it off as the medicore hacked out father figure obsession crap it was. WISE OF THE WOBODADDY infuckingdeed!

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Ya Skimn, appreciate the compliment but Laser was pretty awesome in those TBs. Lase ... I agree about T2 but respectfully disagree about Titanic. It's one of my all-time faves. We agree .. to disagree!!!

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Matrix is the best trilogy

    by geek molester

    just kidding lol

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    T2 the greatest movie of all time?

    by Xiphos_2

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Which ever retard wrote that one thanks. I was having a shitty day and that little gem of insanity made me smile.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 5:51 p.m. CST

    That picture is obviously fake.

    by drompter

    Otherwise it would have been removed due to studio request.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST

    My Robodaddy is the toaster.....

    by TheWaqman makes me breakfast every day before I go to school. And by Breakfast I mean toast.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Laserpants, Dannyglover

    by Toonol

    Somebody said upthread that you have lost your way. That's true.<p> Not because you dislike Cameron's films. That's fine. Appreciation of film, like all art, is subjective. Nobody would be arguing with you if you simply stated that you didn't like Cameron's films.<p> Where you have lost your rationality is your desire to be 'right'. This is often due to either insecurity or arrogance, two sides of the same flaw. You are offended that the vast majority of other people, including many intelligent and sophisticated film viewers, feel differently than you. That bothers you, and makes you want to strike out, irrationally.<p> What you need to do is this: Accept that there are good films that you just DON'T like, and that there are bad films that you DO like. You don't need to martyr yourself because you have unusual taste in action movies.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST

    I want to see Avatar, and I know who the Character Artist is

    by ThePilgrim

    Jordu Schell. This guy has freaky talent to make very original looking creatures. Creatures you have to stare at and admire and examine. <P> His strange teeth style is all his own, and I'd say that is the only thing that sometimes repeats itself in his work. <P> Outside of that, the man is just... Well, hey I love what he makes I have been saving images of his stuff for 10 years or so now. <P> A better guy to conceive these creatures could not have been picked. <P> And yeah that picture is hella blurry, it's just not knocking me out. <P> I want to be wrong. I expect to be wrong when clearer images come out. <P> I'm just saying from what I can see the lack of a backside, when it clearly already shares the same anatomy of us in the breast department is upsetting. <P> The eyes appear to be normal too. I'm assuming it's an Avatar DNA clone, and not the planets native species. I have faith in Cameron and Jordu. I'm not a fan of Titanic. I am a fan of every other film Cameron's made, and he pioneered one of the first CGI characters in the Abyss. <P> Cameron promises to find a cure to the mercury animation issues that have plagued previous Photo real attempted CGI animated films. I mentally imagine a lot of facial Mocap and Infared 3d Camera systems used to read in real time the real 3d facial animations of the actors, and then some sort of laserscan or mri of the actors heads to measure the measurement differences of the CGI creatures facial features, in contrast to the actors features, and some sort of groundup program that remaps the correct motions and level of skin motions from the actors performance to the models performance. <P> Yeah I'm sure James will do something grand like that and finally pull it off. Maybe he will employ a skin algorithm program that has the skins flexibility, color and texture responds to temperature changes light exposer and dynamic forces. <P>Like when it's cold outside an skins alpha map texture slowly morphs into goose pimples in the right areas and the skins elasticity in other areas becomes more taught and harder, some other areas swell do to areas on the face and hands get redder touch these areas and a white mark forms and then the red quickly returns.<P> I hate how dead CGI Skin looks, and how things like fingernails have no blood flow behind them in the cgi world. If I grip a cup, red crescents form under my fingernails where the pressure is exerted on them, and the tips of my fingers get redder. <P> These things are still over looked. Skin reacts to the environment just as much as eyes react to light. <P> Sometimes you lips stick together when you speak. They don't have that down in cgi either. Saliva in the mouth and the tendrils that form on the teeth when the mouth speaks. <P> Pulsing Carotid arteries in the neck, <P> breathing motions in the chest. <P> Nostril flairs with breathing and certain expressions.. <P> So much stuff is still overlooked or too hard to code. But I have faith in Cameron and the Artist involved in Avatar.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 6:48 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Great post. I just find it incredible that people rag on Cameron when McG, Abrams, Wiseman, Ratner and Sommers are in charge of 'event' cinema. As for The Abyss being shit Pants, please watch the drillers initial investigation of the sunken submarine and the Lindsay drowning/resurrection scene and tell me where you have seen more eerie and dramatically powerful scenes in a blockbuster film in recent years.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Static Earlobes

    by ThePilgrim

    Also static ears. Your earlobes move when you open and shut your mouth. That was very hard to ignore in Beowolf. It stuck out like sore thumb. Animators should film magnified pathes of their faces with HD cams when they talk to see how much each area responds when they talk and move thier heads abouts. <P> And Now this is me shutting up.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Toonol -- eh? I don't want people to agree with me.


    Its more fun when they don't. So uhhh........yeah. <p>

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 8:19 p.m. CST

    looks like the "other" Navi

    by v1cious

    "HEY! LISTEN!"

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    If you want us excited, give us something to look at.

    by Orbots Commander

    I'd love to see what James Cameron is cooking (hey, I made a funny); but, are we REALLY supposed to get amped up over a blurry blue cell phone quality picture and a couple of shots of Cameron standing in front of a green screen with his arms folded? I don't get the people who are confused why we're not psyched for AVATAR. Give us an animatic paired with some concept drawings for starters.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Alien BOOBIES!!!!!

    by Crooooooow

    This will be the Wing Commander movie of this generation!

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 10:04 p.m. CST

    I Think I'm A Martyr Now? Huh?

    by LaserPants

    That came out of left field. Also, who says I need to be 'right'? Its not about that at all. I just think T2 is a howlingly awful piece of shit and I enjoy pointing that out for two reasons: 1) It cracks me the fuck up how angry people get about it (I'm working on an equation which will prove that ones obesity and/or mother's basement dwelling eternal virginity is directly equivalent to the anger these guys express when someone decapitates their sacred cow (in this case T2: WHY DO WOO CWY?), and 2) I can see which people have good taste, or what I would define as such, when they agree with me. That's far from martyrdom or even arrogance. I attribute the impulse more to comedy and the entertainment of myself and the rising numbers of people who agree with me that T2 is, in fact, a ludicrously expensive and laughably awful piece of shit movie. Feel free to disagree with me, I couldn't possibly care less. Of course, the ultimate homage to this ongoing comedy masterpiece is the sputtering rage erupting from the cheap seats in mom's basements across the globe, so if thats where you want to go, please feel free to entertain me.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 10:40 p.m. CST

    I remember the first LotR images I saw

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    One was a still of the Ringwraiths and my friend laughed and said it looked like it was from a high school play. I knew that the final product would come across as nothing like that image. This fuzzy secondhand picture, if it's even the real deal, is nothing to base any WILD speculations about not experiencing copulation of the eyeballs on come Avatar time.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 11:03 p.m. CST

    is Link and Ganondorf going to be in this?

    by Prossor

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 11:35 p.m. CST



    of what's to come. what's coming you say?<P>TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 11:56 p.m. CST


    by geek molester


  • Feb. 3, 2009, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Ya all wish you were Polanski

    by theplant

    That guy got more pussy before being 18 than you will in your whole life. Hell, DDD doesn't probably know what pussy taste like.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 1:04 a.m. CST

    looks likes...

    by The Amazing G

    the blue female aliens from Mass Effect

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 3:09 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Long time no see! Where you been? Or is it just me not paying attention...

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 5:40 a.m. CST

    That is

    by evil twin

    The best picture you have ever seen and you should bow down to Cameron and thank him for providing it.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 6:04 a.m. CST

    A Gaggle of Village Idiots

    by TurdontheRun

    I always get a good laugh out of some of the mouth breathers that populate this site. I find it hilarious that Laserpants has to continually assert that he doesn't care that people disagree with him, when any basic knowledge of psychology would tell you that repeating such a thing ad nauseam indicates that you probably do.If you wish to believe that a 'rising number of people' think that T2 was shit, or that people are going to come round to the fact that Cameron's output is supposedly crap, feel free to wallow in your delusions. It is a FACT, for anyone who has even the slightest knowledge of cinema, an appreciation of film aesthetics, etc. that T2 and Cameron's work are meticulously crafted and of high quality, whether or not they appeal to your particular tastes (which is of course, highly subjective). It is also a FACT that his movies are highly popular and will remain so. If you don't agree with me on those points, then you're clearly not intelligent enough, and I would advise you to put down down the comic books and go educate yourself on what constitutes good filmmaking. It is almost unquestionable, based on Cameron's excellent track record and work ethic, that Avatar will be an outstanding piece of work and will be a huge financial success - check back in December and see if I'm wrong. Because I won't be. However, I don't expect the haters to eat humble pie; no doubt they'll puke out their own insipid spin on reality. But that's life.<p>That said, Laserpants - please carry on. I do find you a laugh. Granted, most of the time I'm laughing at you, but you amuse me none the less, rather like a demented court jester or something. Dickblood, you on the other hand, are just an irritating,ignorant, boorish little bastard (with appalling taste in movies in general, not just in regards to Cameron), likely sitting in your trailer park and swilling beer while you bellow at the screen of your laptop. Kindly choke on your own vomit.<p>Your pal, The Turd.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 6:12 a.m. CST

    This sunday at the baftas..

    by emeraldboy

    Terry Gilliam will be awarded the bafta fellowship. This is to honour his his five decades in the film business.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Welcome back, Mr. Total Fucking Destruction!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    We missed you.<p>And TurdontheRun just hit the nail on the head.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 6:30 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Congrats, Post of the Thread award to you.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 6:33 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    ...has won the internets and taken the glory from this field. Well played, Sir.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Did you know that...

    by kwisatzhaderach

    in the mid 90s Cameron visited Kubrick in England, expecting to have a lazy afternoon and a few cups of coffee. Instead, Kubrick had a print of True Lies threaded up on his KEM and made Cameron sit down and explain how he did all the fx shots in the film. Cool.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Here's the actual quote:

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Q: I know you were inspired by 2001: A Space Odyssey. Did you ever meet Kubrick? A: I did—it was my 40th birthday present to myself. I was on vacation in Europe, and I called him up and said, ‘I’m coming over,’ and went to his house in England. My wife at the time was freaked out that I wasn’t going to be back home for my birthday. But I said, ‘I’m going to meet Stanley Kubrick. There’s no present, no surprise party, no nothing you could give me that would supersede that.’ So I went to see this reclusive guy knocking around this big house and he just totally wanted to know how True Lies was made. He had a print of it on his KEM down in his basement, and made me sit there and tell him how I had done all the effects shots. So I spent the whole time talking about my movie with Stanley Kubrick, which was not where I thought the day was going to go."

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Jim Cameron has been reading Pants and Dickblood:

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Q: You won the DGA Award for Titanic and many other accolades. What does the recognition of your peers mean to you? A: Well, it’s nice to have the respect of people who understand how hard this stuff is. Because the blogosphere is full of imbeciles — none of whom have ever shot anything in their lives—nattering on endlessly about what idiots we filmmakers are. But, you know, I’ll be at a little symposium with four or five other directors and, whether our aesthetics are the same or not, I know what those guys or those women went through to make their films—to get them financed, to go through all the battles with the studio, to maintain their creative integrity. It’s a very, very small group and, unless you’ve done it, unless you’ve walked that walk, you don’t know what it took.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Just 2 more months ,then we will see trailer,footage

    by standundermyumbrella

    I bet the farm we will see something at SHOWEST. Please pray people that we do,PLEASEEEE!!!!

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 8:16 a.m. CST

    I still predict a teaser during the Oscars

    by skimn

    since the Academy will alllow the network to run commercials for movies this year.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 8:20 a.m. CST

    And to temper the enthusiasm, in regards to Avatar

    by skimn

    I have 9 words for you...Indiana Jones And The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skulls.<p>Whether you hated it, liked it , kinda liked it, or even loved it, you have to admit. It was a disappointment.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 9:21 a.m. CST

    TurdontheRun -- oh shut the fuck up.


    Trying to psychologically evaluate on AICN? Hehehe. Good luck. This isn't the real world pal. People repeat shit here, over and fucking over again. Whether it be positive or negative, people come here to repeat themselves.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 9:29 a.m. CST



    And the funniest thing about rants like yours is that you actually believe I give a fuck about anything you have to say. I skimmed through your bullshit because it bores me. I come here to entertain myself. And I have a damn fun time doing so. You think I'm gonna read your post and say "Gee-- ya know what? He's right. I do have shitty taste. I'm just gonna go away now." <p>Fuck off. This is an anonymous message board. Keep preaching. No ones listening you dumb fuck.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 9:52 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    That's where you're wrong. Loads of us agree with Turd. Whether repeating one's self ad infinitum on an "anonymous message board" is the purpose of coming here or not, one can do so tolerably or be a complete ass while doing it.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST


    by 420 Boylston St

    When will the trailer for this film to premiere? For a speculator boom movie, it sure is taking it's sweet time to present anything to entice me to seeing this giant epic. At this time, I'm getting bored of the tired glimpses which say absolutely nothing to thrill me. YARN!!!!

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST

    thank goodness for the internal genitalia!

    by Kloipy

    this comment rated PG for adult situations

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST

    A see-through taint is always welcomed.

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Fucking eyeballs?


    What the fuck ever. What do we see here, a blurry fuckin' image. And that's supposed to exite me?<p> There's been very little information given about this show, so to say definitavely one way or the other is, in my opinion, stupid. Especially the "Fucking your/our eyeballs" bullshit. It's funny once, twice gets you a half smile, thrice gets you an evil eye, four times gets you smacked.<p> BTW AICN staff: I understand you guys are whoring for this thing, but do everyone here a favor and wait unil there are better shots and more info before you post. At this rate peeps are gonna get tired of the hype real fast.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Because the blogosphere is full of imbeciles

    by codereduk

    "...none of whom have ever shot anything in their lives—nattering on endlessly about what idiots we filmmakers are. But, you know, I’ll be at a little symposium with four or five other directors and, whether our aesthetics are the same or not, I know what those guys or those women went through to make their films—to get them financed, to go through all the battles with the studio, to maintain their creative integrity. It’s a very, very small group and, unless you’ve done it, unless you’ve walked that walk, you don’t know what it took."<p> What, all of the sudden James Cameron served in Vietnam? "You don't know what it was like, YOU WEREN'T THERE, MAN!!!" Fuck that pretentious douchebag<p> Wait, here's an idea! Since he has such a disdain for the great, unwashed masses, why doesn't he just keep his artistic integrity in tact, and only show his beloved film to those precious few who have been there, who TRULY understand.<p> Otherwise, if he wants to peddle his wares in the public market, he has to understand and allow the public to voice their opinion. <p>That's the way it works.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 6:25 p.m. CST

    yes i'm finally in

    by iwasredempted

    first talkback post. i feel so complete now. also that kathryn bigelow comment by stuntcock mike made me laugh out loud. good stuff man.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST



    Dude, just FYI... I live in San Diego. If you ever come out here, for a ComiCon or something, come out to my bar in Pacific Beach. We'll have some drinks and swap Cameron stories. <p> Good stuff, man.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Codereduk - Seriously, dude?


    Really, man? Vietnam? <p> And the winner of the "Taking shit to the most ridiculous extremes to solidify your weak argument Award" (aka the Anne Coulter Award) goes to you, my friend. <p> You don't have to put your life on the line just to be appreciated for the work you've done. Hell, I appreciate the guys that pick up my trash at the curb on Thursday, as well as the guys who are working on fixing the freeways as 3 in the morning, and the bouncers in a club for kicking out the assholes that shouldn't be there. Hell, I appreciate the people who work at Target, putting shit back on the rack after someone's kids pick it up and leave it at the other end of the store. One big reason why: I don't do their job, so it's really not my place to scoff at what they have to go through to do it. True, the Target thing's pretty minimal, but, still... they have their hard days just like anyone else. <p> Aside from that, it IS extraordinarily difficult to get ahead in the film industry. Hell, it's hard just breaking into it, harder to be able to keep up with it, even harder to get into the position you want to be at, harder still to be the guy in charge of all the other people, even harder than that to make a good name for yourself and get yourself in the position of being able to do the work you want to do instead of taking anything just to keep working, and it's probably hardest of all to be able to make your films YOUR way instead of having to suck the studio's dick whenever they want you to. Cameron has climbed that mountain and then some. Other than Jim, Lucas, Spielberg and Coppola, the list is AWFULLY damn short of directors who are given the kind of freedom and license to make movies on their own terms. They've certainly earned their ground as filmmakers and commodities for the studios that release their films. It ain't something any old anybody can do. <p> No, man, it's not quite squatting in a foxhole and praying you'll make it home alive, but Cameron never made that comparison - you did. Hardly fair to call him out for failing to live up to your terms. <p> And again, the "unwashed masses" nonsense... he never said anything about the public at large doesn't appreciate his work. All he said was there are people, basically like yourself, who air their uninformed opinions and seem to think the only right way to make a movie is their way (when they've never made a movie in their lives) and try to knock him and other filmmakers down a notch or two for their supposed "incompetence" when you simply don't know what it took to get anything up on the screen at all, let alone to make a movie that MILLIONS of people have enjoyed (and continue to enjoy,) not to mention getting awards for it or seeing those movies break records all over the world as the receipts come in.<p> Yeah, you have the right to crticize movies - anyone's movies, my favorites included - but there's a difference between saying you didn't enjoy something, and calling the director a know-nothing hack. Because frankly, you know a lot less.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST

    And to the infamous DannyGlover'sDickBlood...


    Until I know what position you actually take on anything, I'll never get into a war of words with you. ;-) <p> I don't agree with many things you say, but I'm never sure if YOU agree with it, either. But I can tell you're not stupid, so I'll just assume you like to stir up the pot and keep people guessing. Either way, it's not my style to poke at a bear with a sharp stick. <p> Have a good one.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 7:47 p.m. CST

    cameron should get a free pass..

    by iwasredempted

    for the simple fact of unleashing bill paxton -in aliens- upon a grateful world. game over man.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST


    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    It has indeed been a long time. I have been slacking very badly on keeping up on the boards. Why, I believe the last substantive posts I've made were just after the Cloverfield days. But, there's a lot of interesting projects coming along now to capture my interest.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Oh, and I also support...


    ...the nomination of the Back to the Future movies for Best Trilogy. I mean if the original Star Wars trilogy is disqualified, I give it to Zemeckis. <p> Kudos, CharyouTree.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 8:48 p.m. CST


    by codereduk

    You've almost point for point entirely missed the meaning of my post. (For example, quote me exactly where I called Cameron a "know nothing hack"....I'll be waiting.....)<p>For now, however, I'm too tired to explain to you how the world works, therefore I'm going to let your 1,000 word commentary stand unrefuted.

  • Feb. 4, 2009, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Funny, Kurt.


    Think that'll be the new talkback meme? Like, "Harry has a beer and cheets on his wife?"

  • Feb. 4, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Well said Lighstormer

    by theplant

    CoderedUKdude is another of those virgin boys who needs to get laid. Not sure he will have 5 wife in his life, like Cameron did.

  • Feb. 4, 2009, 3:42 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Cheers dude, nice one. I'm sure we'll be the ones laughing at the doubters come December.

  • Feb. 4, 2009, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Hey Lightstormer

    by half vader

    Hey dude. I know you're obviously a huge Cameron fan, but watch out for myopia. I thought I posted about this but can't seem to find it now. Anyway, the sort of on-set stuff you seem to be talking about is in fact nothing new. It wasn't even new back when Speilberg used it on A.I. but it sounds like essentially the same thing. On A.I they even went the creatively frugal route of using the Unreal engine to generate the live stuff. Worked pretty smoothly from all accounts. <p> I'm not having an argument with you or anything, so don't take a friendly post the wrong way. Just saying that if you're going to make statements like that on VFX stuff just do some homework to find out whether it's really the case. Not saying I'm infallible either. Just sayin'. I'm sure that in general things WILL get pushed forward though like you say. I worry a bit about your copying and saving things for "I told ya so" reasons though. If you start down that path, forever etc. Cheers.

  • Feb. 4, 2009, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Half Vader...


    Well I'll be the first to admit my knowledge of the tech involved is quite remedial. If you know anything about it, you've certainly got the advantage on me. Although I do remember that Spielberg did use a similar technology with AI, now that you mention it. I would assume that since it's been 7 or 8 years since then, that they probably have it a bit more advanced on the Avatar set, but that's just me assuming. And would it be any different since Avatar involves mo-cap? I thought that had something to do with the "cutting edge" part of it. <p> Anyway, I didn't say it was invented for Avatar, or that the concept had never been done before, I just said they were using this program to create rudimentary real-time visuals on set. (Though I might have called it "new"... my bad.) <p> Thanks for the clarification, sir. And for being so polite. Cheers, friend.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 10:45 p.m. CST

    No probs mate.

    by half vader


  • May 22, 2009, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Do you think people deserve a second chance?

    by ass clown

    No, McG is fired. Sam Worthington was the only bright spot in this movie. It was not as bad as Harry says, but it was not good either. I hated young Kyle Reese in this movie and the lack of character development for Conner was criminal. As for Kate Conner, I don't think her name was even mentioned. At the end of the film when Conner was dying, I was terrified that the original ending of him being made into a terminator was going to come true. Thank god they removed that. CGI Arnold looked aweful, but still made me smile.

  • May 23, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    What did Orcus miss?

    by orcus

    Is this not Avatar?