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‘After What He Did To That Poor Girl??’ Herc Deems Wednesday’s LOST One Of The Best Ever!!

I am – Hercules!!
ABC says of tonight’s riveting, do-not-miss third hour of “Lost’s” fifth season, written by Elizabeth Sarnoff & Paul Zbyszewski and titled “Jughead”:
Desmond goes in search of a woman who could be the key to helping Faraday stop the island's erratic movements through time. Locke discovers the identity of the unknown forces who have been attacking the survivors.
Clues in invisotext! * The promo for tonight’s episode misleads. 5.3 is 100% free of Ben Linus, Kate & Aaron Austen, Jack Shephard, Sayid Jarrah, Hurley Reyes and Sun Kwon. You won’t miss them. * The woman Desmond Hume seeks is indeed Daniel Faraday’s mother. * Tonight’s episode supplies a great deal of perspective on Daniel Faraday. * Tonight’s episode supplies a great deal of perspective on Charles Widmore. * Something dramatic happens to Penny Widmore in the teaser. * Tonight’s episode was the first to make me notice that the Alan Dale and Dominick Monaghan characters share the same first name. * Juliet offers tonight a surprising revelation tied, I suspect, to The Others' secret origin. * “Jughead” refers to neither a person, a cartoon character, a jug or a head. 9 p.m. Wednesday. ABC.

Last year a season of “Alias” cost $45.99. Last week a season cost $37.49. At the moment all seasons are $29.99!!

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  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:23 a.m. CST

    FIRST

    by Animus

    FUCK YEAH

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Thank you...

    by Animus

    It's been months since I've gotten FIRST... I'd like to thank AICN, without whom I would not have been given the chance.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Jughead = Bomb.

    by TheMarineBiologist

    Oops...

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:26 a.m. CST

    And a big thanks to Herc for putting the TB up.

    by TheMarineBiologist

    You scared us last week with that last minute posting in the afternoon...

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Great No Jack or Kate! That makes it top notch already!

    by Xiphos_2

    No Jack or Kate makes the show mucho better.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:30 a.m. CST

    nerfherder is drunk and excited!

    by nerfherder111

    nothing like coming home from a wedding and reading that headline. the best episodes always involve some heavy desmondage

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Daniels mother.....

    by movieman742

    could it possibly be the old white haired lady that told desmond to not marry penny and the one that ben came to at the end of the premiere? just guessing, not following the spoilers or anything.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Lost has Found itself

    by colintoronto

    Anyone else finding that more and more people around you are abandoning this show just as it keeps getting better? Its mind-blowing! Also anyone else think that the children abducted in the middle of the night (early in the series) were actually taken by the castaways themselves?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Something to keep you busy until tomarrow night.

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/39836#comment_2462311

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:48 a.m. CST

    JACK SHEPHARD

    by BrightEyes

    IS THE FUCKING MAN!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:49 a.m. CST

    How many eisodes are left

    by rivvorz

    No just in this season, but overall?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:52 a.m. CST

    17 + 15 = 32 episodes left?

    by TheMarineBiologist

    Because I can do simple math... I think...

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Episodes left

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    17 episodes minus 2 for season 5 and 17 episodes for season 6. So thats 32 total episodees left.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Looks like TheMarineBiologist beat me.

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Things I believe, possibly spoilery.

    by boogalooshrimp

    I believe that most members of the dharma initiative came to the island from various time periods, using seventies fashion and culture as their default 'era.' Using same the machine at Heretat Aviation that brought Juliet to the island, one could join the Dharma Initiative even to this day. Yes, the sub is a cover. This is precisely how the O6'ers will get back. Clues to support this; When Juliet goes to Heratat Aviation, she says " I didn't even know they had an airport out here." to which Alpert replies "Few people do." It's because there is no airport, we never see her in a plane. She just wakes up in the sub. Same goes for young Ben. Young Ben also eats an Apollo bar, with a wrapper with printed nutrition facts, which started in the nineties. Various other items in dharma's heyday don't make sense like their door handles are straight ikea.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Ah, so that stuff is now in inviso-text...

    by TheMarineBiologist

    And that makes my first comment above look like an asshole move. Thanks, Herc...

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 2:11 a.m. CST

    YESSSS

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    Hopefully we don't get another bad Sarnoff episode.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 2:13 a.m. CST

    God help us all

    by Lashlarue

    <p>

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 2:32 a.m. CST

    forgive me lost for i have sinned

    by Mr_X

    i was despairing in season 2, i thought heroes would be better. i poked out inconsistencies and laughed out loud. no more. i love you lost. love you. please dont fuck up the ending.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 2:36 a.m. CST

    no dedication to mcgoohan?

    by bacci40

    then i still wont watch...where is the fucking respect?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 2:48 a.m. CST

    "won't miss Ben Linus"?? shenanigans

    by cyrent

    he's what makes the show so awesome.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Desmond Hume also makes the show AWESOME!

    by LordEnigma

    Henry Ian Cusick has given Emmy worthy performances on this show, and he's right up there with Jack, Sawyer, and Locke in terms of manly awesomeness. So any episode that focuses is Desmond is a good episode in my book. However... you cannot keep Benjamin Linus down. He has 70 hours. What do you think he's doing right now? PLANNING! THAT'S WHAT!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 3:05 a.m. CST

    Not only do Widmore and Pace...

    by Johnny Smith

    ...have the same first name, but "Charlotte" is the feminine version of Charles. Not to mention the fact we've had Danny Pickett, Daniel Faraday, Danielle Rosseau and now Dan Norton. Additionally, Jack and John are both derivatives of "Jonathan". I believe there have also been at least three characters named Matthew: Ana-Lucia's shrink in the LAPD, a member of the Others and Lance Reddick's Matthew Abbadon. Someone needs to get the Lost writers a baby names book, stat.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 3:18 a.m. CST

    boogalooshrimp

    by abetyler

    I agree on things you believe, it makes sense indeed.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Sarnoff wrote a lot of great Deadwood eps.

    by Kubla_Khan

    Cannot wait for this - nothing on TV touches it for pure scope. Though while I'm here, I should just say: Bring back Deadwood. Will never happen, but bring it back, cocksuckers!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Damn this show is the very definition of intriguing...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    It's so great to have a show that doesn't shy away from making the audience think, and not just sit there and wrap things up during the 59th minute.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Predictions....

    by champvinyl

    Mrs.Hawking is Desmond's mom. --- We'll learn alot more about Locke and the other others. --- Desmond will have consciousness jumps, probably to the future. --- Charlotte will be in critical condition. --- Locke will be severely injured. --- We'll find out who attacked our losties on the beach with flaming arrows, and killed Neil Frogurt. ...I could do more but i think its best if i cut if off there. Anyone else got any theories/predictions?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 3:45 a.m. CST

    dammit! (edit)

    by champvinyl

    The first one, mrs.hawking is *DANIELS* mom not Desmond's ... Because that doesn't make any sense. Or *does* it!?!?!?... (now I'm just making things worse.)

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Deadwood

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    How ironic. I actually just got the whole series on DVD and starting on it now. I already see Rachel (Juliet's sister) and Colleen (Pickett's wife). Wonder if they were recommended by Sarnoff?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 4:34 a.m. CST

    deadwood is awesome....

    by champvinyl

    It's really shitty (COCKsucker, MotherFUCKER!) *cough* ...That we don't have any more of that series, the show is consistent and really damn good and we all really deserve some sort of resolution to the plot; It'd be one thing if it wrapped up, but like Carnivale it ended right in the middle of everything.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 4:48 a.m. CST

    501/502

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Stunned me. If this is half as good as those eps... dayum.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 5:05 a.m. CST

    judging by the Trailer...

    by emeraldboy

    it looks like as if Locke got bumped off.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 5:53 a.m. CST

    "Best ever" tired, buy new descriptions.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Jesus god is "best ever" overused here or fucking what? How about, exciting, invigorating, entertaining, enlightening, entrancing? Buy a goddamned Thesaurus!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 5:55 a.m. CST

    Mrs. Hawking Desmonds mom? Really!

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Why the fuck wasn't she recognized in the jewelry store Desmond met her in?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Locke chikenhawking boys at bus station flashback.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    That is the real revelation of the show. Locke is the Ted haggard of Lost.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 6:20 a.m. CST

    Because Mrs hawking is really...

    by emeraldboy

    Mrs Charles Widmore.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Mrs. Hawking

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Is Dan's Mother. The reason 70 hours is really bad news for Ben is that he travelled to England, and any flight back to the States cuts into his time.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 7:36 a.m. CST

    woohoo

    by Maximus Prime

    first two episodes were great...hopefully with fingers, legs and eyes crossed this will be as good..<p> quick Lost theory..the island is a vessel that hold the people who disrupt time..it hold them til it can fix the problem that they cause or prevent the problem they are about to cause...<p> the 6 getting off and the forcing of Ben to leave was maybe the island setting itself on a spiral of self distruct(it knows Locke is a follower and not a leader).. Ben knows this and has to get himself back and the losties back to stop it from imploding like the hatch and ripping up time....aka destroying the peice of string Daniel was talking about.<p> various different 'agents of time' (i'd be disappointed if they were refered to as that) are trying to restore the balance of it all...with Daniel on the Island, Desmond running about in all the dirfferent time periods knowing there is shit going down(at least sub consoiusly).Ben and the other ones(Mrs Hawkins, buther woman) are trying to stop the island from going pop and everyone in the world from going boom sets up a mini arc for season 5..<p> I think that this story line will last this season or another batch of episodes and that the bigger questions will be answered such as Widmore and the island etc in the final season..<p> within this arc they can answer stuff like the Black rock, the incident, maybe even adam and eve...but I dont think the writers would keep this story going onto the end of the show...this is the perfect opportunity for the island to have flashbacks,, what more can a lost fan want..island flashbacks throwing out a few answers here there and everywhere...nice.<p> hopefully there will be alot more of frank this season, and that charlotte and julliet have a bikni race, to see who can take it off the quickest...we then discover Rose is a Lesbien...poom.. LOST

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:02 a.m. CST

    You think Daniels Mother was the woman working

    by Turd Furgeson

    in the dark room at the end of EP 4, trying to plot where the island was going to land next? The woman who said he has 70 hours to get everyone there....

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Sun will kill Jin...

    by onezeroone

    rather, in her attempt to avenge his death, her actions will lead to eventual death of Jin. Just a theory/hunch I had moments ago watching 'The Lie' again. <p> Dont mind, just a stoned guy's ranting.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Don't say I won't miss Sun...

    by MrSentinel

    I miss her whenever she's not in an episode or not on camera. she is the perfect woman. For me, that is...

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Deadwood

    by rosasaks

    I think Milch just used to lie flat on his back narrating the dialogue to his production team and gave the writing credit to whoever happened to be sitting next to the typewriter. At least that's how this crazy magazine article in the New Yorker made it sound. During pre-production he purportedly hired out a hotel and filled it up with the heaviest drinking ruffians he could find just to try and get into the swing of things. Apparently he's phenomenally wealthy from Hill Street Blues and NYPD Blue so can afford to pick up the tab for such craziness.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Well at least my expectations aren't too high now.

    by HoboCode

    Seriously though. I suspect to we will see a young "Charlie Widmore" on the island. Thus Herc's revelation that he shares the name with The Pace.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Where the hell is everyone?

    by HoboCode

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:31 a.m. CST

    True Sun hotness watch IRON PALM!

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Far hotter than anytime on Lost. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0314214/

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:33 a.m. CST

    This season writers will make fill plot holes they never plotted

    by EvilWizardGlick

    This season strikes me as the first with direction. The others reminded me of Twin peaks, lots of cool shit but drifting aimlessly. Now the writers can earn their money by filling in the plot holes created when they had no direction for the show.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    I think in the end ben uses sun's rage to kill

    by emeraldboy

    Charles widmore. She seems to be some one who is manipulative. but ben is the great manipulator. notice how he is bringing all the group together to go back to the island. He will find out somehow about the meeting with widmore and remind her who killed her husband. it will be a lie. He used the line "what wouldnt a father do for his son" to break Micheal and detonated the bomb killing himself and jin. amongst others. sun wants revenge. Sayid is a broken man. we dont know what sort of things ben put him through. Maybe and this is a wild guess. Sayid killed John Locke. on bens orders. Sayid was given orders to write up a letter. and remeber. that sayids weakness was how he tortured nadia. and he warned hurley about bens mind games. It was a lesson that he learned the hard. ben will do anthing to get what he wants. if that means letting his own daughter die. so be it.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Mrs. Hawking is Rose Caffee set free.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    She managed to escape from her sons and her twilight of life to reinvent herself on the island.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:39 a.m. CST

    ooohhhh...

    by emeraldboy

    I have just thought of something. what if...widmore was on the island when ben killed those original dharma people including his dad.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST

    FREE THE ENDER SMITES FOES!!!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Both LOST and 24 are back!<br>Release him from the Land of the Banned!<br>The time is now!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:45 a.m. CST

    emeraldboy - my theory

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Widmore once led The Others. He pushed the Frozen Donkey Wheel to save the Island during the 'Purge'... but got banished. People can hop between The Island and the real world, but if you push the Frozen Donkey Wheel you have to wait for an 'Event Window' to get back - and they're very rare.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:45 a.m. CST

    And The Purge

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Widmore led it. I think at this stage we're meant to see him as 'The Big Bad' of Lost.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Prediction:

    by Nairb The Movie

    Faraday will become the big bad real soon. Lady Eric Stotlz mask face will die. Revenge...etc. Back and white stones in cave, Rose and Bernard.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Nairb...

    by The 76th Cave

    "Lady Eric Stoltz Mask Face" is about the funniest thing I have ever read in my life...well played, sir...well played.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Lady Eric Stoltz Mask Face

    by HoboCode

    Who are you referring to?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Charlotte?

    by HoboCode

    whatever. she's a babe.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    He's referring to Miss Hawking. <p> And Charlotte? I'd trade her for Claire in a second.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST

    see

    by Nairb The Movie

    http://i46.photo bucket.com/albums/f118/TheBossLambada/ladyericstoltz.jpg

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Mrs Hawking can't be Mrs. Charles Widmore

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    She married to Desmonds Monk Superior or whatever the title is. There was a picture of the two on his desk. Unless of course they are Brother & Sister which might make more sense with him being a Monk. So maybe your right?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11 a.m. CST

    Nairb

    by HoboCode

    link doesn't work. use tinyurl and spare us all the pain.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Look boys & girls I just talked myself out of an arguement!

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:04 a.m. CST

    DON't LOOK! YOU DON"T WANNA KNOW!

    by wallygogo

    Penny and Desmond have a son-they name him after Charlie Pace, based on the relationship Des and Charlie had, and to honor his memory. The boy takes Penny's last name and....grows up to be Charles Whidmore! Yep, Thee Charles Whidmore that causes all the problems. Now that time travel is in play, it's def. possible. So basically Charles Whidmore is his own grandfather!!!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    wallygogo ripped of DocArzt

    by Vorlagen

    Wow wallygogo way to rip off as your own a recently published theory by extremely prominent Lost blogger DocArzt: http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-news/lost-theory-little-charlie/

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST

    The Lovers skulls from Season 1

    by thewizardofoz

    In light of all this time travel: we're all agreeing that those skulls belong to Jack and Kate right? Clearly they go back to the island at an earlier time in history, die here together, and their future selves find the skeletons in season 1. A brilliant payoff from the writers!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:18 a.m. CST

    or there was some event that ben took part in

    by emeraldboy

    when he was a young kid. We saw his arrival on the island. There was some event that took place. while he was in school. The young widmore was on the island at some point, during which time his paths crossed with ben. something happened between the two of them that would change everything. we dont know what that is. but turned ben into a much darker person.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Theory

    by wallygogo

    I never claimed owner ship of that theory. Simply cuttin and pastin you pedophile

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:30 a.m. CST

    thewizardofoz

    by slone13

    We are NOT all agreeing that those skeletons belong to Jack and Kate. I am under the belief that they belong to Bernard and Rose.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Mr Zeddmoore..

    by emeraldboy

    That makes sense. Alpert was an original other. at one point he worked for widmore. saw how nasty widemore could be. when the purge happened and widmore got banished he waited for the new leader to emerge. as ben grew older alpert passed on the stories of Widmore's nastiness to ben linus. Widmore never gave up looking for the island. alpert and linus concocted a plan to rid the island of the widmores dharma group. Ben became the leader. but alpert saw through bens weakness. and had already seen the new leader. one john locke. while ben manipulated those around him. ben's grasp on power was tenous at best. Locke saw through that. and indeed so did the losties. Ben got jack and his people off the island. and used them to kill Charles Widmore. but it backfires. widmore knows more about ben linus and said so. I know all about you boy. The story of lost is really the story of two men and a power struggle. Ben and widmore bought want the island. Ben sees it as his home. and Widmore wants to go back and rule like before.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Captain Widmore?

    by ian216a

    don't know is anyone else has suggested this, but when all the time travel stuff was confirmed I just got the feeling that Charles Widmore was the Captain of The Black Rock. His "the Island was always mine" line he said to Ben during his bedtime visit put the idea in my head i think.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:54 a.m. CST

    oaky

    by Nairb The Movie

    http://tinyurl.com/c9676s

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Adam and Eve.

    by HoboCode

    Ben and Annie.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Link still does not work Nairb.

    by HoboCode

    Sorry.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Jack

    by technotranceporter

    Maybe Jack will travel back in time and watch Kate and Sawyer do. Up close like and not on the monitor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgDB6Ac2rSc&feature=channel_page

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Seriously though

    by technotranceporter

    I think that every week from here on out will be "the best ever" Fucking great show.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    There are big questions that have yet to be answered..

    by emeraldboy

    1. what happened to danielle Rosseau? after she was shot. </p> 2. what happened to Claire shepard. after she disspeared. </p> 3. what happened to christian sheppard after he got to australia. how did he die. </p> 4. Libbys background story. 5. what sort of hell did ben put Sayid through.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST

    emeraldboy

    by HoboCode

    Rousseau is dead as disco but your other questions are good. My number one non-island related mystery right now is why Nadia was killed or was it actually an accident that Ben happened to exploit.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    woooooooot!

    by redfishbluefish

    is it 9pm yet??? let the rollercoaster begin. dang, i love this show.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    has anyone mentioned...

    by El Borak

    that all the babies born on the island died becaused they didn't have a constant?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Widmore, Faraday, and his mother

    by Savage Lucy

    Anybody else get the feeling Faraday is the discarded love child of Mrs. Hawking and Widmore?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    slone13

    by thewizardofoz

    Bernard and Rose? No way. I hardly think the writers would set something like that up way back in season 1 only to have the payoff be for such secondary characters. It's Jack and Kate for sure.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 2:02 p.m. CST

    from lostpedia

    by El Borak

    In "D.O.C.", Juliet states that if the mother conceived off-Island, they will most likely survive the pregnancy. However, if the baby was conceived on the Island, the mother will likely die before their third trimester, as a result of the mysterious issues surrounding the location.<br> <br> <br>According to Juliet, "The problem occurs somewhere during the second trimester, when the mother's immune system is triggered. The white blood cell count plummets. It's like the … immune system turns on the fetus."<br> <br>from me - this is because of the temporal shift the island has, that kills people without a constant in the normal time stream!!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    About Locke's Past...

    by HobGoblin

    My big question is, long ago when he worked on the 'weed farm', did he or did he not shoot the undercover cop? Have the writers forgotten?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST

    HobGoblin.

    by HoboCode

    Umm....Locke lowered his gun and let Eddie walk away. I think we can assume that he didn't shoot him.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by HobGoblin

    Bless you, sir (?). I have no memory of Locke lowering the gun, But I am glad someone remembered this- it's been driving me crazy for a long time. ...course I have no memory of Locke going to prison, either, so must have hidden out till then... possibly his need for the alias he's using to contact The 6?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    I'm Baaack

    by edshrinker

    To the Island. Been jumping through time for a month. Good to be back where I belong.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 2:28 p.m. CST

    savage lucy..

    by emeraldboy

    My theory about Ms Hawkings nad widmore being husband and Wife still stands. But it keeps being shot down. They were married possibly. but not any more. There was a divorce and widmore being the hardline man he is cut her out of his will. to make sure she didnt get her hands on the island. look at the lenghths he went to cover up the accident.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST

    hobgob

    by HoboCode

    That flashback took place after Helen leaving him but before his job at the paper company right before the walkabout. He was still using his name I believe at that point. He probably went by Bentham to protect himself from Widmore.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    locke and eddie

    by HoboCode

    I just rewatched that scene on ABC and Locke does lower the gun as Eddie walk away but thye only show Locke's face as he aims it so it was easy to miss. It's obvious he lowers it though.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    TheMarineBiologist = Douchebag

    by Executor

    Oops...

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Can't wait for LOST ON MARS tonight.

    by SpyGuy

    LOST + LIFE ON MARS = A solid TV evening. Bring it!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Our losties unwittingly solved the baby problem.

    by boogalooshrimp

    Aaron was born but not conceived on the island. Ji Yeon was conceived but not born on the island. Maybe Aaron and Ji Yeon could make a baby on the island. When they're old enough of course.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    I read somewhere that Locke...

    by emeraldboy

    destroyed property. Maybe he was a very angry teen. He used to get pissed off when people told him what he could and couldnt do.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    What was the point of this show again?

    by Oomlot

    Seriously, what?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Ed

    by Maximus Prime

    Nice to have u back brutha...<p> are u keeping well, or as well as can be expected?<p> what u think of the first 2 episodes?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    thewizardofoz

    by slone13

    <p>Way. I'm just not buying the Jack/Kate as Adam/Eve at all. It's too simple. Every average schmo thinks it's Jack and Kate because they ARE two of the main characters, but that's just not how the producers roll. Besides, Jack may love Kate, but we all know Kate's really in love with Sawyer.</p> <p>And we've already heard Bernard state that he and Rose will never leave the island. They're both going to die there. The island cured Rose's cancer. When she told this to Bernard his exact response was "Then we'll never leave this island." The moment they leave, the cancer comes right back. Plus, the Adam/Eve skeletons had one black stone and one white stone in their pockets. Black and white. Just like Rose and Bernard.</p>

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Black Rock

    by Lloytron

    Whats the betting they end up meeting, or even being, the crew of the Black Rock, with Jim Robinson (AKA Alan Dale, AKA Charles Widmore) on board.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    MP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by edshrinker

    Outstanding first Eps. Had my head spinning for the 1st hour. Need to rewatch along with tonight's. <p> Doing well buddy. Not perfect - but then who is? Hope all is well across the pond.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Executor = Right.

    by TheMarineBiologist

    My apologies...

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Liked the theory i read

    by StuckinthePresentPaused

    i dont remember where i read it or who wrote it but i do like the theory that jacob, widmore, abaddon and alpert were all on the black rock and long story short ended up in competing factions over the island.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Sloane 13, well put.

    by Napoleon Park

    "Kate loves Jack but she's IN LOVE with Sawyer." I never heard it phrased so concisely but I think you nailed it.<p>Pa, RFBFish, Hobo, nice to see you. Hey Ahole, nice to hear from you again too.<p>EDSHRINKER!!! Dude, you were missed. Welcome back.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Jack is Jacob. The end.

    by Johnny Smith

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Ed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    Great to have you back friend!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    Wednesday night rocks once again...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...ONLY because of this show!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Oomlot: I think Hurley said it best.

    by HoboCode

    "Okay. See, we did crash, but it was on this crazy island. And we waited for rescue, and there wasn't any rescue. And there was a smoke monster, and then there were other people on the island. We called them the Others, and they started attacking us. And we found some hatches, and there was a button you had to push every 108 minutes or... well, I was never really clear on that. But... the Others didn't have anything to do with the hatches. That was the DHARMA Initiative. The Others killed them, and now they're trying to kill us. And then we teamed up with the Others because some worse people were coming on a freighter. Desmond's girlfriend's father sent them to kill us. So we stole their helicopter and we flew it to their freighter, but it blew up. And we couldn't go back to the island because it disappeared, so then we crashed into the ocean, and we floated there for a while until a boat came and picked us up. And by then, there were six of us. That part was true. But the re...But the rest of the people... who were on the plane? They're still on that island."

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Adam/Eve = Jack/Kate

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    That would, however, add irony to Kate saying to Jack, "I don't want to be Eve."

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Ed/NP

    by HoboCode

    Good to see you boys.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 5:07 p.m. CST

    rumple foreskin...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Have you tried circumcision? Your wife will thank you for it.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 5:18 p.m. CST

    I'm not going to be happy until I find out what the fuck

    by Itchy

    is going on with that four toes statute. Seriously ? WTF. Last weeks episode was 1/2 brilliant though. Carve out the Hurley shit and it was 100% genius.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Locke, weed and the cop

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    There's a deleted scene on the season 3 dvd where Locke is watching Eddie arrest everyone at the weed commune. Eddie sees Locke from the distance and they make eye contact. Eddie doesn't do anything and lets him go. Locke runs off.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST

    A thing about time travel and character origins

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    We should all stop posting theories about certain characters being older incarnations of other characters. For example, I'm tired of reading theories about Aaron actually being Locke or Charles Widmore actually being Charlie Pace. TIME TRAVEL does not change the past nor the future, and to say that Aaron is Locke or Charlie is Widmore would negate the history we know from previous seasons. Charlie was born of a butcher that encouraged him to swim and a mother who bought him a piano. Locke was born of Emily Locke, who was very young and had an affair with a much older man, and gave John away due to fear. Aaron was born on island with Claire. STOP IT PEOPLE.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Re: black and white stones...

    by slone13

    Why would they be in the pockets (of the skeletons) of Jack and Kate if they symbolize the islands two sides?? Jack and Kate are on the same side.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Ms. Hawking first name (spoiler)

    by Karsa_Orlong

    Dannyboy Faraday named his time traveling rat after his mother Eloise Hawking.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Charlie Pace is not Charles Widmore

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Charlie died before he hit 30. Widmore is sixties. There's thirty years age-gap.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST

    The Crying Game and The Sixth Sense

    by SnootyBoots

    Figured those two early on, but with Lost I got no idea. I just watch each episode and enjoy the surprises as they come.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 7:22 p.m. CST

    BTW

    by El Borak

    locke is jacob. the still image outline of jacob looked like locke to me.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 7:31 p.m. CST

    ok haven't read above, but some thoughts

    by Maniaq

    I was racking my brain trying to figure out why Desmond doesn't remember Faraday back at the hatch, considering they been through a rather unusual trauma together back in 1996... <p> anyway, I remembered 12 Monkeys - same kind of time travel - but more importantly, deals with the whole "just don't remember" thing... <p> throughout that entire film Cole dreams about a guy and a girl at an airport - but he fails to RECOGNISE them, even when he's all grown up, and doesn't figure out who they are until he (re)watches that old film and kinda figures it out... <p> yes, convenient little contrivance for the writers but it CAN be explained as the (fragile) human brain's way of assimilating data that it really shouldn't be in possession of in the first place - this is especially relevant in the Lost universe where people who's brains fail to deal with time travel promptly shut down! <p> another thought - I've changed my position on Ben- <p> YEP! I no longer think he's the Bad Guy - seems he's working for Hawking, which is where he gets all his information from - and most importantly, he's given directives (and RULES!) that he has to carry out and within STRICT schedules and, really, with enough at stake I think ANYONE would resort to absolutely WHATEVER methods, underhanded and devious or not, to get the job done... <p> So yeah, I'm all turned around on Ben

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Damn

    by skydemon

    This was a damn long hard day at work. I'm in the fourth day of a stupid head cold. but now, yessss now It just doesn't get any better than this, kicked back on the recliner, cake and ice cream in hand and watchin LOST. Yeaaaaaa!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST

    WTF?!?!! I JUST SAW WALT!!!

    by PoorOLtinTin

    In a Tyson chicken nuggets commercial!! So that's what he's been up to...

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Black and white stones, GO/Wei Qi?

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Can't recall were they Go/Wei Qi stones?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 7:54 p.m. CST

    HobGoblin, Locke's young male honey trap

    by EvilWizardGlick

    jesus it was a freaking honey trap using a young attractive male to catch Locke's eye. Locke is the gayest character on the show. Always with the young semi naked males in the woods.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    Go back to Oxford!

    by Lashlarue

    <p>

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Faraday is AWESOME!

    by Lashlarue

    <p>

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Desmond's been sailing around the world for the past 3 years?

    by The_Squid

    jesus

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    OK OK I've got a new theory about what!

    by The Eskimo

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    about

    by The Eskimo

    ass

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Desmond is way hotter than Penny.

    by The Eskimo

    Does that make me gay?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Small scripting problem

    by shellfishh

    How could Faraday know WHEN Desmond would 'remember' to go see his mother. He very easily could have gone a year too early, or ten years too late. Tsk, tsk.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Damn school closings on bottom of screen.

    by Lashlarue

    :(

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:15 p.m. CST

    shellfishh

    by The Eskimo

    Don't follow...he just took advantage of the oportunity. Wasn't planned...or WAS it?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Batmanuel!!!

    by br1947

    ... oh, i mean Richard Alpert

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:17 p.m. CST

    The Others don't hide very well.

    by Lashlarue

    Open camp in the middle of a field. You could see it from miles away.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:17 p.m. CST

    *I see...

    by The Eskimo

    ...an appocolyptic future scenario in Faraday's future...one he was attempting to avoid by destroying the island.<br>*This theory is subject to change after the next commercial.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    I love shows that make no sense when you miss an episode

    by stooopider

    So Lost is my favorite

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Story with a hole

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    4 dead soldiers - 3 shot dead - 1 died of radiation = 1 carried a nuclear/atomic bomb - 3 were shot by the others

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    The writers are being very clever

    by shellfishh

    Not only is C.S. losing her memory, they're giving us a clue as well. It must be important what her mother's maiden name was.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    sounds like a fair deal

    by The Eskimo

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:28 p.m. CST

    The mayor of Gotham

    by Lashlarue

    He's a prick.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:36 p.m. CST

    I'm developing a crush on

    by shellfishh

    Seargant Lolita.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Yeah...

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    He does.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    He's your son.

    by Lashlarue

    You dumb bitch.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Well, thars jughead

    by skydemon

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Locke is the Dude.

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    It's a bomb!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    fuck fuck fuck fuck

    by Bloo

    Alpert's lacky reveal!!! NOT what a lot of us suspected

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Whoa!!

    by memento108

    Holy crap, didn't see that coming.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    oh what the fuck.....

    by br1947

    WIDMORE??

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    I'll be damn

    by skydemon

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Oh snap!

    by The Eskimo

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Oh, Shit!

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Hit that fucker!!!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Charles Widmore

    by dtpena

    motherfucker!!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST

    HOLY SHIT

    by kyle051554

    Widmore? WIDMORE?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST

    WOW

    by gandalftheblack

    Widmore is an other!!!!!!!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Widmore

    by Lashlarue

    Wow, he was always an asshole.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST

    so that means he wasn't on the black rock after all

    by thecrimsoncurse

    awesome twist.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST

    I missed something

    by taking_up_space

    who was receiving medical care in bed when Desmond went looking for Faraday?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST

    mr. widmore

    by livahd

    you're a busy man

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST

    There is something seriously WRONG with that...

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    ...Oreo commercial!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Well we already know...

    by The Eskimo

    ...the history of Linus (basically) and, correct me if I'm wrong, but this "others" shit was going on WAAAY before Darma considering that Alper is obviously the same age as Faraday's mother and young widmore, so at some point he has to be "taken back" to the future. Right?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:56 p.m. CST

    is it me

    by Bloo

    or does Grethen Mol look really hot in LIFE ON MARS

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST

    taking up space

    by thecrimsoncurse

    it was a girl that faraday experimented on. shes trapped in some time traveling coma.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Charlie

    by Lashlarue

    Awe:)

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST

    thecrimsoncurse

    by taking_up_space

    Thanks!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST

    CHARLIE!!!!!

    by L.H.Puttgrass

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 8:59 p.m. CST

    So Desmond is Charlie's father

    by dtpena

    amirite?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:01 p.m. CST

    eskimo

    by thecrimsoncurse

    i suspect that richard is some kind of immortal or more than human. he is obviously different than the other "others".

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Uh-oh

    by Lashlarue

    <p>

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Holy shit!!!

    by L.H.Puttgrass

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST

    desmond being charlie's dad..

    by Bouncy X

    i thought that too for a second but charlie had an older brother so its probably not him. though i guess they could always find a way or reason for him to exist too.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Homer Noodleman is an ass.

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    That is all.......

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST

    From one time travel show to another.

    by Lashlarue

    It's your kids, Marty!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST

    It's simple,

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Desmond named his son after Charlie. <p> No time travel involved here.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:12 p.m. CST

    awesome

    by El Borak

    ha ha

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:13 p.m. CST

    the girl with the rifle is faraday's mother...

    by thecrimsoncurse

    mark my words.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:13 p.m. CST

    so Ellie (girl holding a gun on Faraday) is his mother right?

    by gwarwilleatyou

    I'm sure someone said this already, but I wonder if widmore is his daddy.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:13 p.m. CST

    He just named his son after him

    by Pr_Frink

    Desmond isn't Charlie Pace's father. Desmond named his son Charlie in tribute to him.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:13 p.m. CST

    I love this...

    by mthrndr

    they are slowly tying up the plotlines. Now we know why Richard visits Locke. I have no doubt that they will answer all our major questions. At this point, I'm thinking Richard is the only immortal that we (the viewers) are aware of at this point. All other others/hostiles are merely recruits.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    heheh damn you crimson!

    by gwarwilleatyou

    beat me to it

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    name predetermination

    by zom-bot.com

    i'm sure desmond's kid is just named AFTER charlie because of the bond they had around charlie's sacrifice.....BUT it would still be interesting if someone was named after someone that the parent knew but then did in fact grow up to BE that person. sorry, it's just a cool idea. how much you wanna bet desmond and penny have to give charlie up- or he is orphaned too early to remember anything?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:15 p.m. CST

    by La.Cucaracha

    So Alpert got the OK from Locke to visit him in the past when Locke told him where he would be born, and Alpert does visit the birth and at the orphanage. I wonder if there will be connection with Alpert and Locke's father. . .

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLT!!!!!!

    by logicalnoise01

    sorry, I missed hearing it.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    girl with gun

    by zom-bot.com

    i thought she grew up to be the sister of the coma woman. same facial structure, wavy blonde (then whiter) hair, stern australian accent...

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    gwar, i didn't think about whidmore being the dad

    by thecrimsoncurse

    but it all makes perfect sense.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    THIS EPISODE WAS AMAZING!!!

    by daveyf

    First we learn that Penny has really smooth baby deliveries. Second we learn that Desmond is a bad liar. Third we learn that Charles Widmore speaks latin, the language of the Others. Fourth we learn that Richard Alpert is VERY old. Fifth we learn that Juliet ain't sharing her secrets. So many reveals!!!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    I think that the girl with the gun...

    by daveyf

    Might be Charlotte's mother.. or Daniel's.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Another bit... the mural that was in the hatch

    by gwarwilleatyou

    was hanging on Widmores wall.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST

    zom-bot it's all in the name

    by thecrimsoncurse

    ellie=short for eloise

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST

    So everything ties into something else

    by terry1978

    See, this is honestly one of the most cliche things ever in time travel fiction, but they do it in such a manner it don't come off boring.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Slone

    by thewizardofoz

    The black and white symbolism has extended beyond Rose and Bernard on the show. More importantly: Jack and Kate aren't going to be leaving the island once they go back. That's been made clear by Jack and Ben. One and a half years from now you'll see that it's Jake and Kate.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:23 p.m. CST

    What made that one of the best episodes ever?

    by zooch

    Great acting by Jeremy Davies, but I don't know about one the best episodes ever?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:26 p.m. CST

    check it

    by El Borak

    charles widmore has a "daughter". widmore was on the island. widmore wants to get back to the island. desmond names his child w/ penny charlie in honor of his friend. little do they know that their "charlie" is actually the young charles widmore and that his so called "daughter" penny is in fact his own mother!!!!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:26 p.m. CST

    so here's what im thinking...

    by FrenchBastard03

    I'm thinking that the old lady in Desmond's first time-traveling dream/flashback after he turned the key, the one who tells him not to marry Penny, and also the one who appeared at the end of last weeks two-parter, is Faraday's mother. If you remember, the old lady told Desmond not to marry Penny or else she'd be in danger. Desmond is now married to Penny and bringing her to L.A., current location of one Ben Linus who has vowed to kill Penny in retribution of his own daughter's death. Am a right or am a right?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Daveyf...holy crap

    by mthrndr

    I think you're onto somthing. the young british chick is Ms. Hawking, I'd bet anything. Whether she's Faraday's mother is still up in the air (though I think it's obvious).

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:27 p.m. CST

    That episode was so awesome

    by CherryValance

    that it felt like it was only 3 minutes long.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:27 p.m. CST

    by Igno-boy

    Is it safe to assume that Widmore is pissed because at one point he was booted from the Island where he was immortal and is stuck in the real world where he is now growing old? And that Jughead is responsible for "the incident". I mean, Farraday said to bury it in concrete...

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Zooch

    by lokey2121

    Jeremy Davies. Agreed.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:31 p.m. CST

    daveyf

    by daveyf

    It can't be Daniel's mother. He would have recognized her. So I'm pretty sure it's Charlotte's mom.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:32 p.m. CST

    But he did recognize her.

    by gwarwilleatyou

    He said something like you look just like... but then he didn't finish his sentence

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:32 p.m. CST

    U.S. Military on the island

    by colemanfrancis

    Is anyone else here bothered by how the U.S. Army knew enough about the location of the island to decide to stage an H-bomb test there? I thought this was supposed to be a super-duper ultra top secret island that appears on no charts. I like the episode, but that bugged the living hell out of me and continues to vex me. I'm very vexed. Can someone help me?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Jeremy Davies

    by daveyf

    He's good in this but he always plays the same kind of caracters. The slightly weird nerd. So it's not a stretch for him.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Plus Ellie=Eloise=Ms. Hawking=most likely Faradays mother

    by gwarwilleatyou

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Did Life on Mars completely reboot?

    by tonagan

    As I recall, the episode before the hiatus ended on a cliffhanger with Sam Tyler in a cabin with a mysterious person on the other line. Now it's like nothing happened. I guess they figured it didn't matter since only three people are watching it.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST

    One of the best episodes? WTF?!

    by GrandMuffTarkin

    Are you kidding me? I guess I know not to trust Herc's assessments. Definitely just "bleh." Oh wow, Charles Widmore was an Other. Next?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST

    The young woman holding the gun on Faraday at the bomb site

    by PhilipMarlowe

    Will become his mother

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:35 p.m. CST

    gwarwilleatyou

    by daveyf

    Oh I must have missed that. The girlfriend was like.. talking to me. I told her to shut up or I'd leave her. NO ONE talks to me during Lost. Not even the replays! A man's got to straighten his woman out.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:36 p.m. CST

    HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!

    by Raymar

    Shit just got real...

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Ah, my wife and I sit in silent reverence.

    by gwarwilleatyou

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Lighten up, Coleman Francis

    by shellfishh

    My guess would be the US military was searching for an island to test their bomb on and accidentally wound up on the wrong island. Hilarity ensued.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:37 p.m. CST

    check this out

    by El Borak

    the bomb is buried in concrete and becomes the "hatch". the numbers must be typed in to either keep the bomb from blowing, keep the time warps from happening and/or bith.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:38 p.m. CST

    So Faraday's mother

    by daveyf

    Is around 25 in 1954. Faraday is in his 30s. Let's say 35 in 2004. He'd be born in 1969. His mother would be in her forty.. that's pushing it. But then, Mrs Hawkins looks around 70 in 2007. She'd be born around 1937 and be 17 on the island in 1954. I mean.. it could work, but it's pushing it.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:39 p.m. CST

    The Incident!

    by The_Squid

    Sayid said the hatch reminded him of cherynobl. Jughead's leakage is gonna cause some incidents

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:39 p.m. CST

    by arby64

    I think Widmore betrays the Others at some point to one of the outside interests. He seems to chafe under Richards leadership. He helps form the Darma Initiative becomes rich and they are trying to exploit the island. The Darma Initiative develops a way to make the island harder to find. Richard and other loyalists continue to oppose the Dharma Initiative and are finally able to wipe out the ones on the island thanks to Ben. They use the DI tech to hide the island from Widmore. It's all starting to come together.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    El Borak

    by daveyf

    Your theories make no sense... how would the bomb turn the sky purple? Or create and electro-magnetic field? And Desmond would have blown EVERYTHING to bits when he switched the failsafe.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    If you're lying to me...

    by deaddovedontoeat

    Ima gonna be pissed. I think Walkabout was the best. Ever.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I was wondering if jughead...

    by gwarwilleatyou

    had something to do with the hatch

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    ok

    by El Borak

    so the numbers keep the time from shifting.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    LOST continues to be the best show on TV

    by turketron

    Fuck all naysayers! This episode was great. I love all the connections... Very cool how Richard goes to find young John Locke because future Locke told him to. I don't care what kind of time loop paradoxes it causes, on LOST, it's fucking cool!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:44 p.m. CST

    by arby64

    There is no reason to think that prior to the 1950's the island was hidden like it was later on.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Jughead is gonna blow up REAL good eventually

    by KnightShift

    Remember Chekov's Rule of Drama: "If the gun is shown on the wall in Act 2 it must be fired in Act 3. If the gun is fired in Act 3 it must be shown on the wall in Act 2." Well, Jughead is a pretty honkin' big gun if ya ask me...

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:45 p.m. CST

    arby64

    by daveyf

    There is.. why would the damn Pirate boat land in the middle of it then?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:49 p.m. CST

    That was a really good episode.

    by Orbots Commander

    I never thought the Lost writers would be able to make me care for the fates of Daniel Faraday & Friends, but yet here I am with caring...ness?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:53 p.m. CST

    I think it's obvous now...

    by The Eskimo

    ...that Faraday was fucking with time w/his experiments...and pulled everyone into this paradox that he has to correct. Whatever his familia ties are insignificant...it is the easiest way to get out of this mess (series) that the last 3 seasons didn't happen because they "corrected" it in the time stream.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Even though...

    by The Eskimo

    ...how coold would it be if the last survivors on the island stumbles back on to the beach just to see Tony Samprano et all eating diner at a table. Fade to black...

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:56 p.m. CST

    How obvious is it that the jewelry store lady is Dan's mom?

    by BurgerKing

    Pretty obvious ID SAY

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Still vexed

    by colemanfrancis

    Thanks for your help shellfishh (the extra h is for hilarity I assume), but I'm still a little foggy how a nuclear bomb test group just wanders around and sets up shop willy nilly. I don't buy that they accidentally wound up on the wrong island and got things rolling all on their own. And if the island wasn't hidden back in the pre-historic olden times of the 50's, the Army never came looking in force for their missing H-bomb?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 9:58 p.m. CST

    by arby64

    The island probably while moving through time and space suddenly started occupying the same time andspace as the ship. (Possibly with Richard on board, obviously Widmore wasn't the captain as theorized by some)

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:10 p.m. CST

    I never thought about the hatch

    by Bloo

    when I saw the "Jughead" I actually was looking at the structure holding it and thought of the radio tower thingy

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Locke was so checking out Widmores ass.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Young guys and Locke, damn near always intersecting in some sublimated sexual way.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Orbots

    by The Alienist

    Its not just the writers. The creators cast three very talented people in the roles. Really, really good actors. Including Lady Eric Stoltz Mask Face (I'm sorry, I was laughing five minutes over that one....) Its how every season they introduce someone new and we fall for that character. Desmond. Juliet. Now Faraday. Its all in the casting.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:21 p.m. CST

    time didn't get wonky until dharma

    by zom-bot.com

    or the island become hidden, or whatever. the scientific equipment was not there before dharma. dharma somehow tapped, exploited or amplified the natural energies of the island. it was a perfectly normal island to test bomb in the 50's. at some point in the 70's, dharma created the first time/teleportation machine. from that point on, the past and future (50's and 2000's, etc) are accessible but the island itself was and will still remain normal in the 50's.<P>shit, i just want the asian dharma video guy's time traveling arm shit to finally be explained. that's really all i want.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    And still nothing on giant strange feet.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Yep bitches forgot that eh?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Once again others remade as non-supermen.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Yet another remake of the others. This time young and seemingly from outside the island. Not much like season ones portrayal at all.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:27 p.m. CST

    zom-bot.com, Wrong because of Alpert

    by EvilWizardGlick

    The mere presence of Alpert, and Jacob for that matter, kind of kills that theory. Unless you suggest Dharma made Alpert from textured holograms.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    charlotte....

    by AbsoluteTruth

    is the girl with the gun and widmores daughter. i called it first.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Juliet...

    by Ravetin

    ...you smarmy bitch. Hmm, no I'm not fucking curious at all about Richard after you just told me the seemingly immortal man is "...old." <P> I hope to Christ Sayid chokes her to death with Vincent's collar once he gets back to that Island.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST

    dharma's experiments

    by zom-bot.com

    or WHATEVER is happening now, actually made the island intersect with alpert. i mean, the island is now skipping in and out of time,or the people on it are skipping throughout the history of the island, but the island in the 50's is as it was, and the island in alpert's oldest time, is, i assume, as it was then.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Chicken Nugget Walt

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    I *thought* that was him...

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Two things:

    by LordEnigma

    1) Faraday's mom was holding a gun on him. She looks too much like the old lady running Ben around to not be her. That's a good bit of business, and no wonder Daniel had that weird look on his face. 2) Coleman, the Army stumbled upon the Island like the Oceanic flight folks. This is why they could never find the bomb again because they could never find the island again. Which is pretty damn trippy.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:40 p.m. CST

    the two sides

    by zom-bot.com

    if someone had a time machine, they would go back in time and try to change history to suit them. it's human nature, kind of selfish and greedy. if a second person had a time machine, their goal would be to try and stop- or even TOP- the actions of the first time traveler. i believe the two sides- or families- at war involving the island are thus: one group actually has a physical time machine, that can send a person through time (from hanso and dharma), the other has a machine that can mentally send you through time (from faraday). and the two sides are playing this game of chess throughout time. the original point has been lost and now it is just grudge. there have been certain rules laid out- no killing of the player's families. everyone else is expendable. that's why ben was so upset and said 'they changed the rules'. both sides are trying to right some major event, or create it...but things are getting out of hand, obviously.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:40 p.m. CST

    it would be pretty weird to meet someone

    by smackfu

    who already knows you, though you haven't met them yet. Then 50 years later you meet them again, and you know them but they haven't met you yet. This show is skull fucking me.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:45 p.m. CST

    LordEnigma

    by colemanfrancis

    So the Army stumbled on the island and set up the bomb to test it? Just for the heck of it, even though they were in the wrong spot?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Faraday's Experiment?

    by frakthetoasters

    I'm guessing that Faraday experimented on some girl's brain like what he did with the rats, sending the brain back in time.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:48 p.m. CST

    oh smackfu

    by FrenchBastard03

    i love it whenever people effectively use the phrase "skull fucking". and you, my friend, just did it. i laughed, quite literally, out loud.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Jughead

    by The Alienist

    I too am very concerned about how that bomb happened to be on the island...it doesn't YET make sense from what we have perceived to be the island's nature. But I guess we have to trust the Darlton...

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Bravo, smackfu!

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Lost. <p> The show that fucks your skull,

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:53 p.m. CST

    ,

    by L.H.Puttgrass

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:53 p.m. CST

    ,

    by L.H.Puttgrass

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    What?

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    My battery is getting looowww...

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Lostpedia/Eloise Hawking

    by The Alienist

    Have we found out that Mrs. Hawking's first name is Eloise? Cause according to Lostpedia it is. Do they get info in advance over there or did I miss something? Oh, and they pretty much confirm that Ellie, the Other who had Daniel at gunpoint, the girl he though he recognized, is his mother. http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Eloise_Hawking

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:59 p.m. CST

    this episode did seem 3 minutes long

    by zom-bot.com

    and the commercial breaks were even short. it came on, it went to break, i pissed, it came on, went to break, i got a snack, sat down, it came back on, then it was fucking off. time travel indeed.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Alienist

    by CherryValance

    apparently on the replay of The Lie, the stuff at the bottom of the screen said her name was Eloise

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:03 p.m. CST

    THE DOCTOR WAS A PLEDGE IN OLD SCHOOL

    by J-Dizzle

    Coincidence?? I think not!

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:06 p.m. CST

    I kinda thought the episode felt long...

    by Ravetin

    ...in a good way. At one point I was like "holy shit, what an ending!" then realized it was only 8:30.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:09 p.m. CST

    the length of the episode

    by zom-bot.com

    is relative to who and where you are in relation to the island.<P>DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Rousseau

    by dubbadubba

    The question is - when in time is a younger Rousseau going to show up with the band of people she was a part of - and I wonder now if the sickness her group succumbed to was radiation poisoning?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:17 p.m. CST

    If Widmore was just a lowly Other grunt...

    by Raymar

    Why does he say that the island has always belonged to him? Inflated ego? I like the reference to Other 101 too. Maybe that is where they all learn all their supernatural abilities and get their special forces training from.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:18 p.m. CST

    The Hatch

    by The Alienist

    I'm sure there will be an "incident" involving the buried bomb that will take a "wrinkle" in time to fix, a wrinkle that will have to be kept constant by pushing a button every 108 minutes.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Jungle Whispers

    by Wrecks

    = Our pals hopping through time = All part of the plan.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Coleman: yeah.

    by LordEnigma

    They most likely thought it was the island they were looking for, and decided to set up their test on it. I mean; it's a Pacific island. How were they to know that the island they stumbled upon was special?

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Color me suspicious...

    by Orbots Commander

    ...but I think that H-Bomb will become relevant to the plot either later this season or in a future season. It reminds me of Chekhov's rule for playwrights: if you introduce a gun in the first act, it needs to pay off later in the play.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Lord Enigma

    by colemanfrancis

    I don't buy that. They'd know it wasn't their island. The 50's weren't the Dark Ages - they might not have had GPS but they'd know where they were, at least enough so that there would be know way they'd bumble onto the wrong island. An H-bomb test would be very carefully planned, and not something that they'd set up on any Pacific island they came across.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Other girl with gun

    by lordgrimplemort

    It could be Faraday's mom, but my guess is Charlotte's mom. Same accent, plus remember the end of last season when Miles said something to Charlotte about her getting "back" to the island. Charlotte's mom probably died on the island and her ghost told Miles that Charlotte was born there. For a second, I thought Faraday and Other girl would hook up. Then she'd have his baby and name her Charlotte after he'd disappeared again, and he'd end up falling in love with her in the future, blissfully unaware that she's actually his own daughter. That would be messed up.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Woman with gun and accent....

    by exie

    I agree she's going to turn out to be someone important, but she's too old to be Charlotte's Mom at that point in time where we just saw her. If Whidmore is that young in that period than she is more likely to be the woman who Desmond is seeking and who we know is in LA with Ben right now. Their ages would seem to be similar.

  • Jan. 28, 2009, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Eloise Hawking = British girl with gun

    by Jor-El23

    That's pretty obvious to me since she was called Ellie and all. I'm guessing that's also Daniel's mom because they said his mom was in LA where Hawking is most likely located. It could all be a red herring though.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:03 a.m. CST

    HOLY SHIT WIDMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by kingben

    LEWL! HE WAS ON THE ISLAND!! FUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKK!! MY HEAD IS EXPLODING!!! WAAAAAAAALLLLLTTT!!!

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    uh, guns?

    by jon pertwee

    ok, explain this whizkids. how come the camp disappears when the time travel happens but the rifles from that period remain with sawyer and blondie?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Guns

    by The Alienist

    Apparently things in proximity of the time travelers travel with them. Like their clothes. And Ethan's bullet.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Well, that about confirmed it...

    by TheMarineBiologist

    I wonder if the non-obsessive fans put two and two together and decided that Ms. Hawking is indeed the Eloise that Daniel Faraday's rat was named after, thus making it quite clear that she is his mother.<p> Hell, the non-obsessives don't even know her last name is Hawking.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:20 a.m. CST

    OH FUck yeah I came so hard when he said WIDMORE!!!

    by nopix

    Awesome reveal. One of the all time best.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:27 a.m. CST

    OMFG!

    by Cheif Brody

    That's all I said...over and over again tonite. No show has ever made me say that so many times in one episode. <p> The 2 Charlies...Widmore, and Hume. <p> The return of John Locke's badass-ness!! "What? You think he can TRACK me? That he knows this island better than me?"...Um...yes, Chucky...he can...and he does. "Jacob sent me" sent shivers down my spine. Guess we know why Alpert was so frustrated that 10 year-old Locke didn't pick that compass last season. <p> I swore I'd throw my TV in the pool if LOST got too sci-fi for me...but...fuck that! This time skipping shit is making the show better and better. I can't wait to see where (when) the island lands next week. <p> Think I may need an eyeball transplant BEFORE I watch AVATAR this year...cuz LOST is the king of ocular penetration at the moment.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Look under the bomb...

    by stever1

    ...There's already a hatch right under it

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:32 a.m. CST

    On Richard Alpert...

    by LouGossetPhillip

    Anyone else think that perhaps Richard isn't immortal afterall? Maybe shortly after we see him in the fifties, he either discovers or is granted the ability to travel through time on the island. Every time we see him on the show is within only the same few years of his life. He could be hopping through time on the island, leading several eras of "The Others" all at the same time,just popping in at crucial points in time that he has to be there for. Anyone?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Two major theories at play, then:

    by GregoryHarbin

    1. Ellie, girl with gun, is Eloise Hawking, Farraday's mother.<p> 2. 'Jughead' is buried in concrete, which becomes the Swan station.<p> So, these theories are what I'm wondering:<p> 3. What is Farraday and Hawkings' real name, as they are both obvious pseudonyms (named after physicists)? Widmore? So I assume Ellie is impregnated on the Island, then taken off to birth Daniel. How does this fit in with why Widmore can't go back to the Island<p> 4. What does pushing the Button have to do with Jughead? Did turning the key detonate the bomb? So where, or when, did the bomb detonate?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Richard...

    by Ravetin

    ...uh, I thought this episode finally started to point us in the "immortal" direction on the "immortal-or-time traveller idea"

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:42 a.m. CST

    I liked

    by Napoleon Park

    Desmond's black jacket, scarf, sunglasses and cap disguise. He'd make a good Dr. Who.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Someone up above asked

    by Napoleon Park

    why the Others camp was out in the open. I was under the impression that it was the army camp that the Others took over after killing all the soldiers.<p>Someone else up above asked if Gretchen Mol on Life On Mars is hot,. yes, she's hot. (I just hope enough Losties stay tuned in for LOM and that the general viewership doesn't get burned out over having two tricky time travel series back to back.)

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Jughead

    by Napoleon Park

    is da bomb!<p>Using the oft quoted Checkov quote about the gun, does the introduction of the Bomb make anyone rethink what the final scene of the series might be? (Or would that be too close to the season one finale of Sledge Hammer?)

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    LouGossetPhillip

    by CherryValance

    Here's what I don't get about Alpert's age after tonight's show. When he was talking to Locke tonight before the flash he said it was 1954. And Locke said he was going to be born in two years right? So Ben seems younger than Locke and he came to the island as a boy in what looked like the 70s. On the island as a young boy Ben met Richard who had long hair and shipwreck type clothes, which made him either look like a native or someone from the Black Rock. So if he met Ben on the island in the 70s looking like that, but met Locke in 1954 looking like he did tonight, what gives? He must have been time travelling all along right?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:01 a.m. CST

    3 New Polls!

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    Poll on episode, Ellie & The Jughead's future http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Nothing better than Locke's...

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    "SON OF A BITCH!" face after discovering that guy was Widmore.<p>I hope Bryan Fuller and the rest of the HEROES writing staff were taking notes during tonight's episode, because THIS is how you write an AMAZING hour of television.<p>Damn... the next 7 days are going to crawl by...

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:28 a.m. CST

    It was really cool hearing them

    by Dingbatty

    speaking Latin with the ancient Roman pronunciation. In most shows and movies, you here ecclesiastical Latin.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:33 a.m. CST

    No Cherry...

    by Cheif Brody

    In the 50's...it was crew cut city...in the 70's...it was hippy dippy long hair time. Alperts hair was appropriate in both settings. <p> That's not to say I don't think Batmanuel's hasn't been time leaping a few times in his life. I just think he was the first guinea pig in Dharma's Life Extension Project. Anybody remember Joop?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Sawyer and Juliet are incestous siblings.

    by MacFaux

    Just foolin..anti-Def Leppard style (that was a hair band with uh one armed drummer in the 80's for you younglings..great show though..stage in the center of the arena.lasers.awesome..anyway..more I see her gaze longingly at him..more I thinks James and Juliet are more better for the journey.)<br><br> So, having given an ore cursory eye, it appears that no one here and then (last week) has mentioned that the camera man shooting the film on Dr. Chang Candle Halliwax was...Sawyer...hmmm.<br><br> how bout that...<br><br> PS. The M18A1 Claymore mine wasn't fun time USA mil functonal until the early 60's (damn you writers)..sure, they could have got around this with a little historical misdirection and a bitty bit knowledge of cyrillic ..make it a MON-50, and the H-bomb Russian, confuse everyone even more...<br><br>but they did not. so. wankers. MacLoed didn't get the package right till the mid/late 50's. whooooops. incontinuity needs a diaper...<br><br>..and yet like the two shampoos in the hotel room..it is working. Dammit. It is working! Awesome.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Please Lost show runners make more eppisodes without Jack and Ka

    by Xiphos_2

    kill thier worthless, show stopping, bad acting, useless asses off ASAP. That way you can have more GOOD episodes like todays. The show is so much better without those two bowl winders clogging up the pipes.<p>Richard Alpert, guy liner wearing, time travelling man o mystery, maybe.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Also, the prop department has expensive

    by Dingbatty

    taste in writing materials. Faraday's notebook is a Moleskine, and Widmore is using a FranklinCovey organizer.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:49 a.m. CST

    So...we're only seeing these time leaps

    by Cheif Brody

    from the perspective of our Losties...But ya have to wonder what it's like for Richard & company. One minute John Locke is standing there asking you how to get off the island...the next...poof...he's vanished. <p> That said...the look for Faraday, miles & Charlotte in the brig...and their gone. So...you'd suppose they (these early Dharmites) might start taking the 'time traveller's' stories for real. Ellie would have had to say to Richard..."Well...Their leader said we needed to bury the bomb in cement...that in 50 years...the island was doin ok"...So, they went ahead and buried it and built the Swan hatch around it? <p> But...I think the show would be getting too super sci-fi if we saw one of these time leaps from the other groups perspective...or am I wrong? <p> But I think that answers Faraday's question...the island isn't jumping...the Losties are. Anyone else get the feeling that Richard didn't see, hear or feel that last flash...Only Locke & Co did? <p> "Oh no...it's happening again"...Locke says... <p> "What's happening again?" Alpert responds...seemingly oblivious to the noise and whitening sky. Hmmmmmmmm.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Also, a little detail that caught my attention...

    by Ravetin

    ...was that they used the flashback "whoosh" noise when switching between the on/off island plots. I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that the flashbacks weren't just a TV show gimmick, but actually had a purpose within the story, so using that noise in two places seems curious to me.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:08 a.m. CST

    A purpose, as in explaining why the

    by Dingbatty

    Losties have daddy issues in their respective pasts, and why their fates seem woven (unknowing near-meetings passing-bys in the past). Or did the explosion send ripples out that intertwined their fates?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:09 a.m. CST

    And writers..while your correcting your goofooboos

    by MacFaux

    Thanks, for giving homage last week to the paternity MacGuffin I proffered some several minutes after 'Eggtown' last year, but where is Kate's Farking Florida cop husband who would be in the fertility zone? <br><br>Are you really going to skip to my latrine with no mention of the cop in Miami who must, after all world reports, think that Kate Austin's child is his?. Welllll...<br><br>Gibbons, C'monnnn, man, you can't leave your ...Oh, Shite!

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:14 a.m. CST

    I didn't think it was one of the best ever

    by BrightEyes

    not even close

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:24 a.m. CST

    BrightEyes

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    Well, Colin Oberst... I'd say you're in the minority. Tonight's episode kicked some serious ass.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Memory of time travelers fading when they move

    by HoichiTheEarless

    I suspect that will be the explanation of why Desmond would only remember an event as memorable as Farraday arriving at "the door of the hatch" (Desmond's words, which makes about as much sense as "The hatch of the door"). I imagine when they move on, to others, they look away or blink, and then whoosh, they're gone. And like a dream, if you don't immediately write it down, you might forget it happened.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:28 a.m. CST

    And yes on the "Ellie=Eloise=Farraday's mom"

    by HoichiTheEarless

    They can't drop this many clues for it to be a red herring.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:29 a.m. CST

    HoichiTheEarless

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    Maybe that's why Daniel Faraday thinks Ellie looks familiar... but, can't quite figure out that she's really his mother, Ms. Hawking (if that turns out to be the case).<p>My wife thinks that is ridiculous... but, I'm sticking to it.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:45 a.m. CST

    Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    by BrightEyes

    conor you mean? haha, I didn't hate it , I liked it but it was nowhere near being one of the best LOST ever, can you honestly say this would make your top 5 or hell even 10?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Will Jughead jump the shark?

    by onezeroone

    A H-Bomb as source of island properties is just plain lame. I don't think we got any hydrogen bomb powerful enough to cause timeshiting.<p> However, Jughead as a poweful trigger to unleash the Island's powers would be okay enough. I suspect.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:46 a.m. CST

    it wouldn't even make my top 20

    by BrightEyes

    needed more Jack

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:47 a.m. CST

    MacFaux

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    That wasn't Sawyer running the camera for Dr. Martin Candle during the season premiere.<p>Check out this screen cap... definitely not Josh Holloway.<p>http://tinyurl.com/d9mh8v

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:49 a.m. CST

    BrightEyes

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    Yes, yes... Conor... where's my head (I'm a big fan of The Decemberists, so that's where I pulled Colin from...) :)<p>I'd probably put it in the Top 10... I mean, out of 85 episodes, it was pretty significant.<p>But, I understand your point... ask me again at the end of the season when I've had time to digest. "The Constant" might be my favorite episode of LOST... ever.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:53 a.m. CST

    onezeroone

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    No, but I bet a Hydrogen bomb exploding would cause plenty of "timeshiting" [sic] in the pants of anyone nearby! :)

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    by BrightEyes

    Constant is great and would make my top 10 so I could see why you love this one so much now, it is a more "constant like" episode . I like the more character study eps but this was solid although Lost always is with the exception of stranger in a stanger land the worst ep and it stared my favorite character Jack, sigh.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:56 a.m. CST

    BrightEyes

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    So... maybe like... Top 30 for you? :)

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:59 a.m. CST

    haha maybe

    by BrightEyes

    although last weeks blew this out of the water, I will say this though, this is the most confusing episode the show has ever put out. So much more questions. and only one HUGE payoff which was widmore on the island oh and Locke telling richard to find him when he was a child

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 3:36 a.m. CST

    The chekov gun thing

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    Like three people keep bringing this up here about the atomic bomb and acting like they're each the first to say it, but nobody said anything about this kind of thing way back in Ben's flashback when the school teacher was all like "don't worry kids, the volcano on the island hasn't blown up in a long time"

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 3:47 a.m. CST

    quit going on about the bomb

    by champvinyl

    Faraday explained it in *this* episode, it never exploded, therefore it can't... So it doesn't matter where they buried it, basically they did what "future-man" said to do. Personally i think its right under the structure its hanging from which in past ep's looked like a small radio tower or cable relay tower. Anyone saying it's in the hatch hasn't really been paying attention or they haven't watched the entirety of the show... or both.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Wed. nights = non-linear TV night

    by The McPoyle Clan

    Between Lost and Damages, I have to lay down and sort my thoughts out. But what a great night it is.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Jughead and the crash of Oceanic 815...

    by Det. John Kimble

    Maybe the Others bury the bomb in concrete AND with an electromagnetic field (generated by the natural properties of the island) to help contain the effects. But the combination of the leaking radiation and the elctromagnetic field causes time disturbances (manifested by small Electromagnetic Pulses). To counteract the release of the pulses, they install the 108 system as a sort of "bleeder valve". When Desmond fails to push the 108 button as 815 passes near the island, an EMP burst is released, causing the plane to lose all power and the resulting stress cracks the plane into pieces.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 5:08 a.m. CST

    And yes, I did notice the hatch just underneath Jughead.

    by Det. John Kimble

    If the U.S. Army built it in the 1950's, why is it outfitted like a 1970's bachelor pad?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 5:40 a.m. CST

    I think maybe there's still stuff we're missing here

    by Maniaq

    ok first off - am I wrong or are they only time-shifting BACKWARDS?? no jumps have been FORWARDS right? <p> second, yes Hawking is indeed looking like Faraday's mother - nice work people, I'm sure you all saw the Wid reveal coming too - but.. considering this week's revelation, do you suppose maybe The Wid might be Faraday's FATHER?? <p> Let's just take a moment to reflect here - Wid obviously gets himself kicked off the island, either pre or post "Incident" - I'm thinking it's not long after 1954 and possibly over that H-bomb. About Jughead - suppose they take Faraday's advice and bury it - say they put a marker on it, but then The Wid leaves (maybe involuntarily while putting said marker on it)... <p> But he comes back doesn't he? <p> The Wid's construction company BUILT the Dharma stations - and it is during the construction of their VERY FIRST station, the Orchid, they just happen to uncover... a hollow chamber (maybe made out of concrete?) with something inside which looks a lot like a Frozen Donkey Wheel under sonar... <p> whatever happens after that point (which we'll find out soon enough, knowing that Faraday and Cheng meet) results in The Incident - Jughead meets "source of limitless power which when harnessed properly will allow for the manipulation of time" maybe? <p> I mean, if Ben can chuck a few metal objects in the microwave and send himself to Tattooine, what about the jury-rigged lead casing for an atomic device? <p> ok I had more but that'll do for now...

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 5:52 a.m. CST

    ok I got more

    by Maniaq

    this is really just coz nobody mentioned it before... <p> so Alpert gives Locke the compass to give back to him in the 1950's, like it's gonna mean something... <p> Locke gives it to him, says it means he's their leader and if they don't believe him go find him after he's born two years later - and promptly disappears... <p> Alpert eventually finds him and shows him the compass, and a knife and some other shit but Young Locke DOESN'T choose the compass and Alpert leaves all flustered... <p> Actually, he did the test wrong - he asked Locke "what belongs to YOU?" - I guess Locke never really explained to him that it didn't actually belong to him - and Young Locke answered correctly because the compass actually belongs to RICHARD! <p> So... at what point in between this failed test and showing up at the right time with bullet removal kit (how's THAT for a Back to the Future moment?) does Alpert put two and two together? <p> wait - hang on - did he remove the bullet AFTER Ethan shot him (I mean, subjectively from Alpert's POV) or BEFORE? he says "what comes around goes around" implying that Ethan is dead at that point - which would mean he time-jumped FORWARDS, right? <p> or did he just say that because he knows what is GOING to happen to Ethan? <p> ok, brain shutting down now...

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Brody, Maniaq, Bright Eyes, etc...

    by edshrinker

    Good to see you guys. Looks like some of the old crew is back. I'll have to drop in here more now.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Nice to see a centric eppy

    by edshrinker

    With Des and Faraday front and center. Those 2 are fast becoming the most interesting characters on the show. Who woulda thunk it. A Physicist and a time jumping sailboat lovin ex royal Scot. And Faraday's constant. <p> God I love this show.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Had to look back a bit

    by edshrinker

    To see HoboNode and NP and others. Glad to see you all too. The gang is really here.<p> And Pa - you are my constant ;p

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 7 a.m. CST

    Anyone else sad to see Rebecca Mader

    by edshrinker

    Checking out? Poor Daniel. All the women he cares about...<p> Maybe he should consider hot army chick Elle. I know I did.<p> Girls with Guns!

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Is there really an Island "disease?"

    by cookylamoo

    Not the baby killing one. The one that drives you nuts? There was much worry about it in the first couple seasons. Has Maden come down with it?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 7:27 a.m. CST

    The sickness

    by edshrinker

    In my best guess the sickness is due to the radiation from Jughead. Radiation poisoning. <p> Maybe<p> MAder is falling victim to Eloise's (the rat in DanyyBoy's Maze) ailment. Time jumping without a constant.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 7:39 a.m. CST

    So, why is no one dressed like it's 1954?

    by cookylamoo

    Why doesn't anyone have a 1954 hair style? And a female soldier wearing a tank top in 1954? I don't think so.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 7:46 a.m. CST

    NOT one of the best ever.

    by knowthyself

    Boy did you exaggerate on this one. Good episode but next time calm the fuck down.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 7:57 a.m. CST

    That was a disappointing ep

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Aside from the excellent Richard stuff, it was like a check-list of things most people had already guessed. Now it didn't suck -- it just felt like a filling in the gaps episode.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 7:57 a.m. CST

    A good episode for answers

    by mordiceius

    So we got some good payoff for this show. The two major confirmations being that Widmore was an Island other in the 50s and that Hawking is really Faraday's mother.<P>It also seems now that Widmore was not the captain of the Black Rock like people suspected. Maybe Alpert or Jacob?<p>I also think they had a strong enough foundation to be laid down that the girl with the gun is Faradays mother but we'll have to wait and see on that one. The Widmore and girl with the gun being Faraday's parents theory has some legs, we'll have to see if it has payoff.<P>Also, checking on Lostpedia about Ms Hawkings real name, it showed "Her first name is given as Eloise in the Enhanced version of The Lie, and is yet to be said on the show." Fuck the Enhanced versions.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8 a.m. CST

    HOLY SHIT... THE SWAN

    by turketron

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermonuclear_weapon (remove spaces)<p><p> U.S. Swan Device: 1956<p><p> The first device whose dimensions suggest employment of all these features (two-point, hollow-pit, fusion-boosted implosion) was the Swan device, tested June 22, 1956, as the Inca shot of Operation Redwing, at Eniwetok. Its yield was 15 kilotons, about the same as Little Boy, the Hiroshima bomb. It weighed 105 lb (47.6 kg) and was cylindrical in shape, 11.6 inches (29.5 cm) in diameter and 22.9 inches (58 cm) long. The above schematic illustrates what were probably its essential features.<p><p> Eleven days later, July 3, 1956, the Swan was test-fired again at Eniwetok, as the Mohawk shot of Redwing. This time it served as the primary, or first stage, of a two-stage thermonuclear device, a role it played in a dozen such tests during the 1950s. Swan was the first off-the-shelf, multi-use primary, and the prototype for all that followed.<p><p> After the success of Swan, 11 or 12 inches (300 mm) seemed to become the standard diameter of boosted single-stage devices tested during the 1950s. Length was usually twice the diameter, but one such device, which became the W54 warhead, was closer to a sphere, only 15 inches (380 mm) long. It was tested two dozen times in the 1957-62 period before being deployed. No other design had such a long string of test failures. Since the longer devices tended to work correctly on the first try, there must have been some difficulty in flattening the two high explosive lenses enough to achieve the desired length-to-width ratio. <p><p> The writers of this show = awesome. I know the date is kind of off but we're on a time travelling island...

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:06 a.m. CST

    See --

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I don't see how it's such a big surprise that she's his Mother. The show has gone to great lengths to show that everything is connected -- so of course the crazy time-travelling lady from 308 is Daniel's Mother --- they've both influenced Desmond's concept of time.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Not sure if it's been said

    by indyjonez100

    but the woman in the comas that Des went and saw is, I think, time jumping through time, just based on what the caretaker said, one minute she thinks she's 3, the next she's talking to her dad who died 3 years ago. Just a thought.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Couldn't Locke kill Widmore?

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    No. Not even if he wanted to. The past may be the future to the Losties, but it has already happened. All of these events shape who Widmore becomes -- if he dies in the past, then the Frozen Donkey Wheel is never turned and the Losties can't go back to the past... which means that Richard never gets a compass with which to give to John.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:14 a.m. CST

    mr ahole ramirez

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Yes - Locke made Richard curious, but in turn Richard saw how many illnesses that Locke fought off as a child. The timeline is all encompassing, these things always happened even if Locke in 2004 never knew Richard.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:14 a.m. CST

    The timeline

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    What Lost is doing is suggesting that all time exists at the same time.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:15 a.m. CST

    More Swan

    by turketron

    As we know, The Swan was the name of the dharma station (then called "The Hatch") where Desmond had to push the button, where he later turned the failsafe key. In one of the episodes of season 2 when Sayid and Jack are examing underneath the station, they come to a heavily concreted area. Sayid remarks that there is another place that he knows of where concrete was used in a similar way: Chernobyl. In this weeks episode "Jughead", Daniel tells the girl in the 50's that they have to bury the bomb and encase it in concrete. Now, as we know Desmond was pushing the button in the Swan station for a long time. When Desmond was on the helicopter, he got sick and his mind started shifting through time in the episode The Constant. Faraday remarked that it usually happened to people who were recently exposed to radiation...

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:20 a.m. CST

    mr ahole ramirez

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Okay - my understanding is that the past has always happened, right? So Locke has always met Richard in 1954 and given him the compass. In 1956, Richard sees that John is born. Throughout John's life, Richard tries to recruit him... but can't, for whatever reason, because that would break the cycle. John HAS to live his life, through all the pain, so that he can arrive on the Island in 2004 and meet Richard, beginning the cycle of events that allows Locke to go back to 1954 and give Richard the compass. <p> It's Locke following a predestination paradox. His entire life is building up to something that he has already done. Locke isn't changing the past, because it's always happened that way.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Yep, I can argue that

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    No, he couldn't. Locke always killed that Other, but Charles never died. If Locke is going into the past, then everything he does resoutely does not change the past. It is happening exactly the way it always happened, and we know Charles is alive in the future so he's not going to die on The Island.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Put it this way

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Neil Froghurt can die in 1954, and it doesn't affect 2004 because Neil has travelled back in time. If he dies in the past, it does not affect his birth. But if Neil kills Charles in the past, then Charles cannot send a team to the Island -- which has to happen for them to go to the past and carry out events which shape the reason WHY they are in the past.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:29 a.m. CST

    mr ahole ramirez

    by mordiceius

    no, locke couldn't kill widmore because he already didn't.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:30 a.m. CST

    They cannot change the past

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Everything that they're doing is the way that time always was. If Locke kills someone in the past, they always died in the past.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Anything your future self does in your present self's past

    by mordiceius

    has already happened. There is no changing it.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:32 a.m. CST

    This is getting confusing - heh

    by Mr. Zeddemore

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Turk

    by rbrog77

    That Swan stuff was a great find. These writers are unbelievable.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:42 a.m. CST

    He doesn't know the rules

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    That's true. But he has no reason to kill Widmore. And Locke has a precedent of not attacking 'his people.'

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Thoughts

    by rbrog77

    1st I think y'all are right - Ellie is Faraday's mom. I want to go back and see the part with Des in Faraday's lab where he picks up the pic again. Maybe that's a clue.<P> It was definately a WTF moment when we found the young guy was a young Widmore. Now, why and how'd he get off the island? Why does he say it's always been his? Curious.<P> There was something Juliet said about why latin. I don't remember the quote, and I'm not talking about everyone that was an other had to learn it. What I'm talking about is later when Sawyer asked why latin. Her response kinda put latin on a pedistal as a language. For my friends I think this may tie into the gods thing we've discussed. I mean, it was the language of the Roman gods, or the language of the time of the gods, right?<P> I can't remember all I wanted to say since a UNC basketball game put off my viewing until over 2 hours later, so I'm going to have to watch it again to post more thought.<P> It sux being me.<P> ;->

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Ed my piney hurst friend

    by rbrog77

    I so hope you and all is well. We miss you.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:48 a.m. CST

    ramirez

    by mordiceius

    You're still not getting it. <p> He can't kill Widmore even if he wanted to kill Widmore because he didn't kill Widmore. He can't because he didn't. <p> He can't kill Widmore because he never did. <p>If in the past he had killed Widmore, then in the present it would have already happened. aka Widmore would have been dead since before episode 1. Since Widmore was not dead since before ep.1, Locke cannot kill him in the past.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Turk, I posted...

    by rbrog77

    ...your swan finding over in our Room 23 blog. All credit given to you.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Ramirez

    by mordiceius

    I never said Widmore isn't Locke's enemy. I just said that Locke can't kill Widmore in the past even if he wanted to. Hell, Sawyer can't kill Widmore in the past. Alpert can't kill Widmore in the past. No one can.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9 a.m. CST

    Aiming the gun

    by mordiceius

    When Locke was aiming the gun at Widmore, he didn't know it was Widmore back then. He just thought it was another one of his people. When Locke was in the camp and found out it was Widmore, he no longer had a gun.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:01 a.m. CST

    ramirez

    by ElPaw

    Lock didn't point the gun at him because he was one of his people. This is before he even knew he was Widmore, but after he knew that they were his people (which is why he had no qualms about killing the other two - he didn't know they were his people yet)

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Why is widmore his enemy?

    by ElPaw

    All that he knows of Widmore is the video that Ben showed him, and that Ben says he sent people to the island to kill everyone

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:04 a.m. CST

    haha, thanks robrog77

    by turketron

    I can't take all the credit though. I first picked up on the idea here: <p><p>http://tinyurl.com/c5pps5<p> In a post by Sam G on the first page which had the link to the wiki page. <p><p> There's a cool discussion going on at the same site here<p><p>http://tinyurl.com/b5rehq <p><p> I'm in there posting as sickotriz. Dammit... I've gotten no work done this morning!

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Because Widmore ISN'T his future enemy

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Locke doesn't view Widmore as an enemy. He wanted the Island concealed from the rest of the world. So, by all accounts, does Widmore.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Yeah seriously...

    by turketron

    Locke doesn't have anything but Ben to go by as far as knowing if Widmore is his enemy...

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Locke's Father!

    by cookylamoo

    Is obviously an agent for the others. All of the things he does to his "son" are designed to ready him for his island adventure. Losing the kidney that would have caused his death, losing the use of his legs. That whole story about being kidnapped and being in hell was just bull to cover the fact that he'd been manipulating Locke's life all along. And in his spare time, he worked on Sawyer, who must have some sort of important role to play. The only really important people are the Oceanic six, Locke, and Sawyer. Everybody else is either an agent or cannon fodder.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:06 a.m. CST

    @Bob Loblaw Law Blog....inconclusive.

    by MacFaux

    your tiny url, well, it just ain't the pork shoulder<br><br>ya know...so, I'll be sticking to my thing boobalah.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Aye - what was said above re

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    The only thing Locke knows is that Ben has an issue with Widmore. And considering how Locke forgave Ben for trying to kill him, I don't think he really considers the concept of enemies.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Locke's Father isn't an Agent for The Others.

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I'll try and keep it simple. In 1954, Richard is visitied by Locke -- who when the visit takes place only exists in that place in time. In 1956, Locke is born... and from thereon, his destiny IS to get to The Island. So The Island, as a construct, manipulates miracles for Locke to be able to survive through countless toils until he reaches The Island.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Everything that happens in Locke's life --

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    -- is to create the man who can then go back to 1954, so the timeline isn't fractured.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Also#

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    If Ellie is Daniel's Mother, then he inspired his Mother to focus on time... and his Mother then inspired Daniel to focus on time. Predestination paradox.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Also

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I'm now wondering if Ben didn't skip to the future during an earlier time-shift and see a grown up Alex... and then, hence, be stunned when she died.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Charlie...

    by jones1899

    This may have been posted sometime somewhere, but we now have three Charles characters in the Lost universe. Charlie - the rocker, Charlie - Desmond's baby, and Charles - Whitmore. Any possible magic time travelly reason for this?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST

    It's because Penny and Desmond are Widmore's parente...

    by turketron

    I'm kidding... I think.<p><p> Who knows!

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST

    "parents"

    by turketron

    Not parente...ole'!

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:20 a.m. CST

    A Paradox?

    by ElPaw

    Where did the compass come from? Does it only exist as a time loop?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Desmond and Penny

    by MrBigStuffx

    Desmond and Penny can not be Widmore's parents because Desmond saw and met Old Widmore in person - so Desmond and Penny are in the "present"

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Maybe Desmond and Penny are...

    by jones1899

    HEROINE CHARLIE's parents!

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST

    ElPaw#

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Yes. Richard got it from Locke who got it from Richard -- so prior to 1954 it didn't exist.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:26 a.m. CST

    MrBigStuffX

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Desmond and Penny are in the present, but Charles doesn't know he has a Grankid. So theoretically, if Desmond and Penny wound up in the 1930s on the Island, then their son could grow up to be Charles Widmore. <p> It's a Grandfather Paradox, but it's still plausible... and explains why Charles doesn't want his daughter going out with Desmond. To him, it's just nasty.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:28 a.m. CST

    heh

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Desmond: Why'd you stand in our way, brutha? <br> Charles: She's my daughter</br> <br> Desmond slaps Charles. </br> <br>Charles: My Mother. </br> <br>Desmond slaps Charles again. </br> <br> Charles: SHE'S MY DAUGHTER AND MY MOTHER.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Sawyer must be the Hero....

    by MacFaux

    For six long years I've been in trouble<br> No pleasures here on earth I found<br> For in this world I'm bound to ramble<br> I have no friends to help me now.<br><br> and Kate gets her Doc and Sawyer get his...hmmm...all right now. <br><br>Sawuliet. <br><br>Greatness.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Wow

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    The scene where Locke enters The Other's Camp... they're all guys. Hilariously tied in to the 'Locke's the gayest character on Lost' theory.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Gayer than

    by ElPaw

    Mr Friendly?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:54 a.m. CST

    lostboytexass

    by indyjonez100

    So perhaps there was a Faraday cage surrounding the island, but then Ben did the thing with the wooden wheel and shut the cage, thus causing the people on the island to start jumping through time. Interesting article by the way. Learned something today.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:54 a.m. CST

    ElPaw

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Mr. Friendly never walked into a predominantly male camp yelling for RICHARD.... RICHARD?! <p> But he DID take the boy off the boat!

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Maybe pressing the button.....

    by cookylamoo

    was what was keeping the bomb from going off? (although Hanso says it was just a fake test) when the button failed the Island teleported itself so the bomb exploded in the past or future. Why was there a crater? Because most nuclear devices are set off by a smaller device. The smaller device exploded destroying the Swan, but the larger nuclear explosion was dodged.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:54 a.m. CST

    For those bitching about a female soldier in the 50's

    by HoboCode

    You got that the others/hostiles killed all the U.S. soldiers and took their shit right? They weren't soldiers. They just took that stuff from the soldiers.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:55 a.m. CST

    mr ahole ramirez

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I used to, but now she's cracking jokes and coming out with stuff like 'Richard's always been here' -- therefore noting how insane the show is.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Right on the money, sir.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Did I miss it or

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    did Locke not give Richard the Compass that he was supposed to give him?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST

    ZED

    by MrBigStuffx

    But if the child is born in the present how can he go back in time and also be someone else - i guess if he was conceived during a period in the past, but that'd be borderline absurd - I thought that Widmore didn't want Penny with Desmond because A) he knows alot more shit than we do and figures that Desmond is still going to be a major player and B) retribution from Ben for having his daughter killed.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST

    flashes

    by HoboCode

    Someone up above stated they thought that all the time shifts have been backwards so far but that's not true. In the first episdoe they flashed to a time before the Swan was built but then FORWARD to when it was. Just thought I'd point that out.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:14 a.m. CST

    REMEMBER WHEN...

    by turketron

    Remember in season 1 when Locke gives his compass to Sayid because he "doesn't need it anymore"? What if THAT is our present time travelling Locke and we see that scene in an upcoming episode. I know, it's probably wrong (and he's probably wearing different clothes now) but that would be pretty damn cool.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Widmore can't go back back

    by jamestewart007

    because he turns the wheel that makes the island skip through time. It was there BEFORE Dharma too if you remember that radar picture they show in 5.1. Desmond is going to save the island. The ladt from the jewlery shop will show him how when he gets to L.A. because she is Farraday's mom. Personally I think the chcik with the gun looks ALOT more like the lady he put into permanent brain travel state. My theory is that Widmore captured her when she came to shore one time, and tried to use Farraday's experiments on her to discover the location of the island. AND WTF is up with Desmond naming his kid Charlie?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:21 a.m. CST

    MrBigStuffx

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    It is absurd, I'm just saying it's possible.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:22 a.m. CST

    turketron

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I doubt that. To me, that scene simply suggests that Locke is so in tune with the Island he doesn't need a compass.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Not objecting to female soldier....

    by cookylamoo

    Objecting to what female soldier is WEARING. In 1954, a woman dressed like that would be a major slut.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:31 a.m. CST

    cookylamoo

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    How do you know she isn't?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST

    cookylamoo

    by HoboCode

    But she's not a soldier. At least not a 50's U.S. one. You got that right? She could have taken those clothes off a man.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Mr. Zeddmore.

    by cookylamoo

    Point.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    All I can say is I hope that Jeremy Davies

    by skimn

    is not forgotten during Emmy nominations. Farraday is becoming my favorite Lost character this season.<p>And , no Damages talkback?? I passed on last season, but seeing Glenn Close and William Hurt go at it on a weekly basis has got me hooked.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    (hopefully) answers...

    by The 76th Cave

    so, to recap: - Widmore was an other in the 50's - Faraday's mum was an other, on island, in the 50's - The Swan station held jughead behind the concrete...possibly necessitating the buttton pushing...dang, great episode.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Great Episode

    by dj_bollocks

    Happy with that... that is all...

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Jughead and Swan.

    by HoboCode

    It appears that way but I find it a little hard to swallow. Why would an H-Bomb give off electromagnetic radiation? the Swan was i nthe middle of the jungle not in an open field which means the Others would have had to transport a leaking doomsday bomb into the jungle. Seems like a bad idea.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Ellie isn't a soldier

    by GregoryHarbin

    And we still don't know where or when she is from. But she's not a soldier. The Others took those uniforms from the soldiers that came to the island.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST

    cookylamoo

    by GregoryHarbin

    And call Dan's mother a slut one more time and I won't be able to control what happens.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Hobo

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    The H-Bomb is buried by The Others. When Dharma shows up, they discover the bomb and build a station around it.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Ellie = Eloise Hawking

    by Greenleaf1

    Faraday says that she reminds him of someone, and we were supposed to think he was talking about his test subject/wife/girlfriend that he left behind in England, but the real reason is because she looks like his mother. It'd really suck if she was also Charlotte's mom...I really want Dan and Charlotte to be together and not have to worry about being half or full siblings. Fantastic episode, I love how Jughead might be the reason for the incident/hatch/etc.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Zedd

    by HoboCode

    Got that. But they would still would have had to transport it into the jungle. And I think it was pretty clear in S2 that the source of electromagnatism was comign from what was buried i nthe concrete. It being an H-Bomb doesn't make sense unless they did somethign to it before burying it in concrete.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    JamesStewart007....

    by meCPS

    It's pretty obvious that Des named his son Charlie in honor of Charlie Pace. After all, it was Charlie who took Penny's call in the Looking Glass station, which confirmed to her that Des was still alive. Without Charlie, they never would have been reunited.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Before she kicks off....

    by cookylamoo

    I really wish Charlotte would tell us what's up with the four toed statue.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Ms. Hawking.

    by HoboCode

    Excuse me but whoever said her name was Eloise? I'm prett ysure her first name has not been revealed on the show.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:56 a.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    True - we need to know more about it for it to be a confirmed point. But I think Jughead is this year's 'Dharma Van' in the 'come back bigger and badder' twist.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Hobo

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    It has in the 'enhanced' versions.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    The enhanced versions that Darlton has nothing to do with?

    by HoboCode

    Uhh..WTF?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 11 a.m. CST

    Fuck these enhanced versions if they are giving out spoilers.

    by HoboCode

    That is beyond fucked.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 11:01 a.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    They contain information later made canon on the show.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Spoilers?

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    The Widmore reveal, and Hawkings first name, aren't giant spoilers. Both of them are 'connect the dots' theories people made months ago.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Fotchybook users:

    by Napoleon Park

    http://tinyurl.co/LOSTgifts<p>Check it out. Links to AICN and Room 23 posted on "the wall".

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Locke IS special, not self-created

    by ArcadianDS

    as a boy, he was a prodigy - but he lacked a purpose. And a self-created 'special' person isn't likely to get up out of a wheelchair by way of a plane crash and start running around helping the injured.<p> I think that when Locke stopped pressing the numbers, the bomb actually DID go off, and the detonation combined with the natural powers of the island, ended all of life on Earth. But the 'failsafe' used a time portal effect to teleport all humans around it around in time - the 'failsafe' purpose being that these individuals might find a way to prevent that bomb from going off.<p> ben has 40 hours to find a way to prevent Jughead from ending all life on Earth.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Mr. Zeddemore

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Nicely done:<p>"Okay - my understanding is that the past has always happened, right? So Locke has always met Richard in 1954 and given him the compass. In 1956, Richard sees that John is born. Throughout John's life, Richard tries to recruit him... but can't, for whatever reason, because that would break the cycle. John HAS to live his life, through all the pain, so that he can arrive on the Island in 2004 and meet Richard, beginning the cycle of events that allows Locke to go back to 1954 and give Richard the compass. It's Locke following a predestination paradox. His entire life is building up to something that he has already done. Locke isn't changing the past, because it's always happened that way.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Desmond as Doctor Who

    by Losteroo

    I have to second the earlier comments about Desmond looking the part for Doctor Who. The scarf and jacket and everything are perfect!

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Zedd

    by HoboCode

    You don't think revealing Hawkings' first name to be Eloise before we happened to meet a woman on the island named Ellie is a spoiler? That's kind of huge in my opinion. How could you have deduced this months ago when the charcater was just introduced last night?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Speaking of spoilers...

    by Napoleon Park

    the episode ends with blood falling out of Charlotte's head and Dan hugging her like he thinks she's dying. Foom. LOST<P>Then a minute later they show us a clip from next weeks eppy and there she is, up walking around like a normal person. Do we now have to shut off the coming attraction to remain spoiler free?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Hobo

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    No, I don't. We meet an odd woman who helps Desmond time-travel. Then we meet Dan, an odd man who helps Desmond time-travel. Dan named his rat Eloise, we meet Ellie, Dan recognises Ellie. <p> As for 'figured out months ago', that was Widmore.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST

    nap park: yeah, I bet the writer LOVED that!

    by necgray

    The writer of the episode is sitting at home, all proud of themselves for creating a great cliffhanger to end the show. And then they watch it on air with the coming attraction. And curse the stars.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Zedd.

    by HoboCode

    What Widmore reveal are you referring to then that you figured out months ago?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Hobo

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    That he was an Other, on the Island, decades before Dharma.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Done a rant

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Might upload it later. Not that much to say this week.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST

    we all know that Locke was buried as

    by emeraldboy

    Jeremy Bentham. So it is possible that the widmore are using pseudymns. to protect their real indenties. I am also theorising that Locke Screwed up after all his people got back to the island. If you look at those hunters that attacked the losties group, they seemed pretty nasty to me. John met his match with those people. He got caught and blabbed about ben, dharma initiative, the island after being tortured. When he got back to the the mainland. he thought he would be safe. but just like Hurley said, They smother you with a pillow and make it look like an accident. Richard said that john had to die. Ben was deposed as leader of the others. he set up john to take a fall. to resume his place as leader of the others. Ben saw john as an obstacle. with john out of the way. ben resumes his quest to take out Widemore and take back the island.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    The bomb / end of the world explanation

    by ToddFluhr

    I think the explanation is simpler than most expressed here. a. The island has time-shifting / reality bending properties (reasons unknown). b. The Bomb (jughead) dropped on the island in the 1950's is unstable. c. The Bomb timer may require resetting every 108 minutes, or the bomb explodes. d. the bomb exploding will not end the world itself, but will possibly damage the inherent properties of the island, and thereby cause the island to fail to preserve the world or cause it to destroy the world. Cause and effect: if the bomb blows, it could mess with the island's function, which in turn could cause the world to explode. The button / timer would have been installed in the 50's / 60's, and that has kept the bomb from exploding. Consider: before the button was installed, what was there to push and why?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Those hunters...

    by emeraldboy

    even tried to cut juliettes hand off.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST

    before you mention the bomb timer

    by ToddFluhr

    perhaps the timer is damaged when the bomb is being shielded and buried.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Dharma Days

    by turketron

    I still want to see more of the Dharma days... And I'd like to see what happens in the scenes following and prior to Daniel walking into the cave with Chang at the beginning of 5x01. I believe that is a part of the left-behinders adventure that is the furthest ahead that we have seen.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    ToddFluhr re: bomb/end of world explanation

    by turketron

    Yeah, that's along the same lines as I'm thinking. I don't know if we can really believe what Candle/Chang says in the Swan video, but he does say that there was an "incident" that causes them to implement the button protocol. If any of that was related to the bomb, what the hell was the incident... and what the hell did the Failsafe really do?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    That's interesting - he can't be killed because...

    by rbrog77

    Someone above said something like Locke couldn't kill Widmore in the 50's because Widmore didn't die in the 50's. That got me thinking.<P> Michael couldn't kill himself because he didn't die pulling the trigger. He also didn't die when he set off the suitcase bomb because he didn't die that way. He died WHEN the boat exploded and could not die any other way.<P> Many folks have been sick or near death and recovered fairly quickly. Could it be because that's not how or when they actually died?<P> And for those that did die like Boone and Libby and AnaL and Alex...that's WHEN they died...unless Alex wasn't supposed to die then. Then that's what Ben would've meant by "he changed the rules."<P> And the O6 have to go back to the island in 70 hours because that's when they actually went back.<P> That would seem to mean that everything is future tense. We know what happened when because we saw it in the future.<P> Seems pre-ordained wins...and my brain not only loses but also hurts.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST

    remember Bens warning...

    by emeraldboy

    To Widmore. Ill kill your daughter. desmond will be distraught if that happens. which will lead ben to cut a deal with grief stricken desmond. comeback to the island and turn off the bomb. Ben screws penny mentally. Penny kills her dad when she finds that was he who intentionally seperated them both. penny has one last suprise for des shes pregnant. The last scene of lost will be penny and des in a cave she gives birth and dies. child dies some time later. Des is brokenhearted. and dies there. in one last flashback. We will see the opening moments of season one. which will end on the losties finding the cave and the bodies of a dead couple and a child. John who is the new leader of the island pays them a visit gives them the small pouch with the black and white marbles. end of lost.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST

    rbrog

    by jamestewart007

    care to try that one again. You lost me more than a few times there. And I think that Charlie and Desmond have a greater bond that just that phone call. Desmond kept seeing Charlie die. When des went back, he saw Charlie playing guitar before it started to rain. There has got to be a reason that Desmond named his kid Charlie that is a plot line. Otherwise, why throw that in? Nothing is insignificant in these shows. They avoid calling him by name until that very last scene. Widmore is a red haring people. Charlie is the new Walt.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST

    what if Charlotte never existed?

    by filmfanatic1

    WAY too many time-travel plots tell me that Charlotte is fading away, because of the characters' actions. Otherwise, why emphasize it so much?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Charlotte doesn't have a constant

    by jamestewart007

    That's why she is dieing. I also think its why we see Farraday in the Dharma time line. He is going to save her. Or at least try to.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Herc called this one right

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    One of the best of the series. The characters it focused on are the best ones. Unfortunately it looks like next week is Kate-centric. I wonder if she'll flip flop again between Jack and Sawyer, even though Sawyer is on the island - she'll still find a way to flip flop.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:04 p.m. CST

    ArcadianDS

    by mordiceius

    My mind is blown by that theory.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by mordiceius

    If you connect the dots, polar bears were explained. They can push the donkey wheel. Ben pushed the donkey wheel and ended up in Tunisa. Charlotte found a Dharma bear in Tunisa.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Farrady knocking on the hatch memory

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I'm glad they at least acknowledged it makes no sense at this point.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Tanktop Ellie

    by GOB Adama

    There are a few commonly used "devices" used in film and television when they want to portray people (particularly in the past) as "enlightened" or "progressive". One is to have them speak Latin... Check. Another is to give them the same attitudes as modern Americans to historically second class citizens. In this case, Ellie in a taknk top as "no big deal".

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST

    MacFaux

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    If that's really inconclusive for you, then you need to rewatch the episode. That's not Sawyer running the camera for Dr. Martin Candle... unless they RECAST the role... which doesn't make sense, as ONE MINUTE later we see Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday in The Orchid station.<p>Sorry, my friend... but you're absolutely wrong on this one. THIS is not Sawyer running the camera.<p>http://tinyurl.com /d9mh8v<p>Can I get a witness?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Polar Bears

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    It was already explained

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Desmond's memory

    by GOB Adama

    Last talkback I started refering to the *changes* in the past made by/to/through Desmond as "time edits". Time edits are *not* the same as when another characters from the future interacts with the past. Locke getting shot by Ethan is *not* a "time edit". Faraday talking to Desomd *is*. The real reason is for dramatic purposes, however the explanation is that the "time edit" can not or will not assert itself into the one and only timeline until such a time that it will do minimal damage. for whatever reason that is in our present. And by "the present" I mean from our P.O.V. Perhaps THE present represents the one spot on the time line that is in constant progression. Everything before that point is set in stone, everything after that point is a little more changeable (not completely, just more so).

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST

    The Swan Station is a Dead Man's Switch...

    by PastePotPete

    serving the same function as Keamey's heat rate monitor. The Swan implements a magnetic pulse trigger to detonate the H-bomb sealed into the station. Every 108 minutes a 2 man team must enter the code. If the cycle is broken by a breach of the station by the hostiles, the countdown will hit zero. A magnetic pulse will begin to generate that will detonate the bomb once it reaches to full capcity. Detonating the bomb is a method of last resort to keep the secrets of the DI out of the hands of the Hostiles. In case the countdown timer reached zero by some accident, a failsafe mechanism was designed that vented the build up of magnetic energy but left the bomb intact. Releasing this energy caused an unexpected result - the hatch to implode.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Whoops!

    by GOB Adama

    I mean MY explanation (based on current data), not THE explanation. Sorry.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST

    RE: jamestewart007

    by rbrog77

    You can read a better writing of that brain activity (things that can't happen because they didn't happen) here.<P> http://tinyurl.com/b9fbrr

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    "You just couldn't stay away, could you?

    by p5mmr9

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST

    "You just couldn't stay away, could you?"

    by p5mmr9

    Why does Ellie say this and then later say she doesn't know who Daniel is?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST

    "You just couldn't stay away, could you?"

    by GOB Adama

    She was refering to the U.S. military being unable to stay away.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    PastePotPete

    by mordiceius

    That makes a ridiculous amount of sense. Try not to do that too often. ;)

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST

    PastePotPete

    by HoboCode

    Holy shit that's some good theorizing there. Almost makes sense when you put it that way.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Darlton confirmed that Faraday's Mom is someone we already know

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b81005_Lost_Redux_Will_Sawyer_and_Juliet_Hook_Up.html

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Polar Bears Moved the Island

    by PastePotPete

    Polar bears were being trained to turn the donkey wheel. That way when the island moved, it wasn't a person that was transported to the desert like Ben was. Remember Charlotte found the polar bear skeleton wearing a Dharma collar buried in the desert sand.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Sawyer's toes and the statue

    by filmfanatic1

    Sawyer snagging his toes in the jungle, loses a toe, flashes back to the arrow-shooting natives, making him a GOD... for some reason.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Fuck the polar bears.

    by HoboCode

    Seriously out of all the things to be further explained that is near the bottom. I could chalk it up to Dharma doing animal experiments at the Hydra, hence the bear cages. But then Darlton had to have one show up in Tunisia and start these moronic theories about an 800 lb. polar bear somehow being able to get "DEEEEP" into the earth and turn a wheel that is halfway enclosed in a rockface.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Sawyer Toe thing.

    by HoboCode

    I hope that theory is false because that would be kind of a ripoff of the Firefly episode "Jaynestown."

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST

    The island will one day be destroyed by the Hydrogen bomb.

    by Leafar the Lost

    I can't wait. I love time travel stories, except for the shitty, Rick Bermen produced Star Trek episodes.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST

    4we8have15to16go23back42

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    Damn... Elizabeth Mitchell is really showing off the cleavage in that dress, in the picture from the E! Online link... very nice.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Time edits

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Still don't buy it, nope. It doesn't make sense as things are right now. They need to explain Desmond's nature more fully, add on to what there is now, cause that incident doesn't jibe with what we know thus far.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Mitchell's cans.

    by HoboCode

    They are on full display i nthe latest official vodcast.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Although, why must Kristin Dos Santos insist...

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    on writing like a 13-year-old girl telling her friends about her new crush? Bleh.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2 p.m. CST

    Three-toes

    by GOB Adama

    Make no mistake, "LOST" does do things just to mess with us. likely as not, the three-toed statue will be one such. We will get some time skip back to the ancients that goes... Ancient 1: That's a nice statue. Ancient 2: Thanks. Ancient 1: Why only three toes? Ancient 2: What do you mean? OH SON OF A BITCH!

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2 p.m. CST

    Why the fuck

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    would you need a polar bear to turn the wheel anyway?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Thunder

    by HoboCode

    So a person wouldn't be transported off the island as the theory goes.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:02 p.m. CST

    If one weaselly man can turn it

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    you don't need polar bears. Fuckin' polar bears???

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Fuck the polar bears.

    by PastePotPete

    If you're going to conduct a scientific theory, you use lab white lab rats. This one called for a REALLY big white lab rat...bigger then a white lab rabbit.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Polar bears got no reason to live

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    They are dickheads anyway.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:05 p.m. CST

    "cause that incident doesn't jibe with what we know thus far."

    by GOB Adama

    How so, if I may ask?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Bens late mother was...

    by emeraldboy

    widmores estranged daughter. Widmore warned her that if her returned to the mainland. she would die. and so she did. Widmore of course couldnt go back. but he knew the risks and his estranged daughter didnt listen to him. which is why she died in portland.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Jughead, The Hatch, and The Failsafe

    by david19

    I think someone was onto something with this. Theory: IF Jughead is related to the hatch we can assume a couple of things. According to Dharma there was an incident. So, lets assume that after the Losties jumped away in the past the Others took their advice and buried the bomb. Later Dharma shows up, finds the bomb, and perhaps (if it is possible) uses the bomb as some sort of power source, perhaps for the purpose of researching the islands time/space anomalies. The bomb is obviously unreliable so an incident happens, and, unable to simply remove or destroy the bomb for fear of something worse happening, they rig it to "bleed" its energy every 108 minutes. IF Jughead is used not as a bomb but some sort of energy source in some sort of Dharma experiment, and IF Widmore is behind Dharma, maybe he knew the bomb would be there when he sent Dharma and anticipated that it could be used as an energy source. I dont know much about this kinda stuff, but I would assume that Jughead could almost be like a mini nuclear reactor. So, the bomb is buried in concrete to reduce the radiation (which Desmond may have been exposed to in small doses during his time in the hatch WHICH may also be why it was necessary to have a constant changing of the guard in order to avoid long exposure) which is connected to some sort of experiment in the hatch (may have had something to do with the islands magnetic or time qualities, or both) then something goes wrong, and a failsafe is set up where every 108 minutes either the magnetic/time or nuclear energy must be bled with a last ditch option set into place in case the energy builds up for too long, ie someone doesnt press the button. My guess is Dharma fucked with something they shouldnt have fucked with, used an unstable power source, and as a last resort created a failsafe that would release all the energy at once which A) would have drained the bomb of power B)sent the bomb through a time wormhole or C)something else I havent considered. Perhaps they didnt want to set off the failsafe because they didnt know what would happen. If the button wasnt pressed AND the failsafe key wasnt turned, the bomb may have gone off and caused a some sort of time or magnetic catastrophe that would have destroyed the world. I can imagine Dharma scientists sitting around talking about turning the failsafe key and not knowing for sure what would happen. Maybe it would stop the explosion, maybe it would cause something worse, maybe nothing would happen. It SEEMS what ended up happening was it dislodged a certain Desmond Hume from time and is allowing him to mind travel back and forth through time. Thoughts?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Asshole Polar Bears are the #1 Threat. Ask Stephen Colbert

    by turketron

    I saw it on the threatdown. Colbert has been to the island and he knows.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Art in Widmore's Office

    by p5mmr9

    Two paintings on the wall... Closest to the desk: Painting of Polar bear that says Namaste on it Furthest from the desk: ?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Anyone want to read a fun rant by me?

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    http://tinyurl.com/cnlsa6 - spoilers for 503 and my own conjecture.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Sort of like the Large Hadron Collider

    by turketron

    Not knowing what would happen when the Failsafe key is turned = cool idea. Good one David19.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    p5mmr9

    by HoboCode

    That painting was shown in a previous episode where Desmond goes in for his "interview" with Widmore.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST

    I'm behind the times

    by p5mmr9

    *shrug*

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    The Nature of Desmond

    by david19

    Hmm, another thought. It seems confusing to me that IF everything happens the way it was always happened, then why didnt Desmond remember Daniel Faraday until that night years later? The Losties being able to jump through time seems pretty special to me, but something about Desmond is Special-er. Maybe Des isnt just jumping through, maybe he is jumping through alternate universes too. Still not sure how it fits together, but there is SOMETHING different about Des. Something that may allow him to change fate.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    david19

    by TheMarineBiologist

    The rules don't apply to him.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST

    someone on another site caught this

    by filmfanatic1

    the unhelpful woman working the desk at Oxford that Desmond talks to was an Oceanic Flight Attendant "Jenna" in Season One. She lets Hurley on the plane and he gives her a big hug. "Jenna" also helps Locke on the plane. Either Team Darlton is running out of extras or she works for Widmore! Now, my brain is fried; when will someone make a chart of all this?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    GOB Adama

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Cause you can't change the past.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Marine Biologist

    by david19

    Yes, but why? So far we have been led to believe that they do, ie that he cant change fate. According to Faraday no one can change what hasnt happened, but then he goes and insinuates something different about Des. Everything that has happened to Des has been engaging, but confusing as hell. So far, everything that has happened to the Jumping Losties has made a lot of sense (to me at least). So what is different about Des?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    The knife

    by arby64

    What if the knife was Locke's. Assuming he had the knife on him when he went into the camp, it probably was confiscated from him. Richard doesn't entirely believe the story Locke has told him but he checks it out anyways. He was told by Locke that Richard gave Locke the compass to give back to Richard so he wouldn't expect the compass to belong to Locke, but he would expect the knife to belong to him. What everyone assumed was Locke taking the wrong item and Richard being disappointed that Locke was the wrong kid, was really Richard kind of scared to find out that Locke was the right kid.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    The knife

    by arby64

    What if the knife was Locke's. Assuming he had the knife on him when he went into the camp, it probably was confiscated from him. Richard doesn't entirely believe the story Locke has told him but he checks it out anyways. He was told by Locke that Richard gave Locke the compass to give back to Richard so he wouldn't expect the compass to belong to Locke, but he would expect the knife to belong to him. What everyone assumed was Locke taking the wrong item and Richard being disappointed that Locke was the wrong kid, was really Richard kind of scared to find out that Locke was the right kid.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    filmfanatic1

    by HoboCode

    It's not important. There was an article talking about how Hawaiian actors were being reused for roles on the show.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    arby64

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I think Richard KNEW Locke was the right one, but wasn't sure WHEN he'd come to The Island. So they keep sending out feelers. But Locke didn't go, for whatever reasons, because until he was in a position where The Island could heal him there'd be no way for The Island to have a control over him.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    "Cause you can't change the past."

    by GOB Adama

    Except in relationship to Desmond… Or am I missing something?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 2:57 p.m. CST

    the need for polar bears explained

    by zom-bot.com

    the whole discussion of the elemental property or isotope or whatever that could manipulate time was that it had to be kept COLD. do you guys not remember the cold cave ben turned the wheel in? he specifically put on a parka to do it. the floor was also littered with the small dogfood like cage pellets (that also flowed from the fish biscuit dispenser). that was the actual food. the fishbiscuit was a reward. what other strong, trainable animals that can easily do work in a really cold environment do you know?<P>but yes, the real question is, how did the big bears get in that closed chamber where the only access was a tiny crawl tunnel and little ladder rung, all sealed off in cave and wall that ben had to blow open just to get in?<P>and perhaps there is another reason there were two bears, and their cages were kept apart- remeber the identical rabbits and the need to keep them seperated?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    No-one is trying to change the past

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Desmond is trying to stop Daniel and co from skipping to time. If he manages to, he hasn't changed the past - rather Desmond has ended Daniel and co's involvement in the past. <p> Think of it this way. If you're playing a computer game, but decide to let someone else carry on -- your turn is over, but the game is continuous. The effect you've had remains, but the game is still going. That's what Desmond is trying to do.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Homer Noodleman is an ass.

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    Still.............

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    widmore is protective of penny

    by zom-bot.com

    because she is his mother. crazy enough to work. his percieved hatred of desmond and previously bashing him and his accomplishments was what was needed to spur desmond into doing pretty much everything he has done,-therefore keeping widmore's existance intact. then again, if the past can't be changed, then charles should have nothing to worry about....but then again, desmond has been shown to be the one person who can actually participate in and shape time.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    This season is arguably better than the last two...

    by rbatty024

    so far. I, for one, really enjoyed season 3 (even if it wasn't as good as the last two), but season 4 was a bit disappointing until the second half. This season has been knocking each episode out of the park. There is a sense of humor that was missing from season 4 and the answers to questions seem more substantial (as the story expands the universe becomes smaller). All in all, I couldn't have asked for more.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    juliet as an answer cockblocker

    by zom-bot.com

    someone way up there came up with that great observation. and it's true. <P>she kinda earned our trust lately, but now she kind of seems like a sceming plant again. cutting people off before questions are answered and just otherwise kind of directing everyone where she wants them to go- whether they realize it or not. what's going on? <P>as for sawyer toes, i need to watch it again. they sure made a big issue of stepping on the thorn or organic dart for it to lead to nothing. did he have four toes? it was dark and i can't remember. seems someone would have noticed. i just know the huge fat pad of flesh on his foot looked swollen as hell or was a really bad sfx prosthetic.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST

    ’Cause ya can’t change a record

    by GOB Adama

    Like the skipping record analogy… “’Cause ya can’t change a record… ’Cause ya can’t change a record… ’Cause ya can’t change a record… ’Cause ya can’t change a record… ’Cause ya can’t change a record”… Desmond’s assistance is needed/wanted to allow the song of Team Faraday to get back on track and proceed as normal.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Good news everyone....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Jason Statham has just been cast in a new 60 second Audi spot. I guess he took the gig from Clive Owen and BMW. There is only one fucking TRANSPORTER and he is here to stretch asses for good!

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by filmfanatic1

    meh, you're probably right. Still, it seemed weird that it was the same person.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST

    wouldnt it have been nice if

    by bacci40

    any of the others seemed like they were from the 50s? clothing was all wrong, as were the hair styles and speech

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST

    there are two '50's'

    by zom-bot.com

    the steroetypical hollywood one where everyone had greasy hair and girls had ponytails and said jeepers and daddy-o, and then there was the real fifties, where alot of people didn't look like something in a theme restaurant....which would you prefer? besides- the 'others', in their stolen us military garb are quite possibly not actually from the fifties themselves.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Lost > EVERY-FUCKING-THING ELSE

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    Latecomer to the TB as I've only just watched the episode but WOW. These writers know what they're doing and they do without effort. Desmond continues to amaze, Daniel's declaration of love could have been cheesey but he pulled it off with style and the way in which they answered questions whilst giving us new ones....<p>This is how you write a television show, people.<p>I honestly feel sorry for anyone who hasn't ever watched "Lost" or who gave up watching a season and a half ago.<p>If there was any doubt before, that doubt is now gone. "Lost" is my favourite show of all time.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    There's no hatch under the bomb, dipshits

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    It's a plate for the bomb to hit and fucking denotate, why the fuck would the bomb be suspended on a bomb launching device above a fucking hatch? Christ you people just take things too far sometimes.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST

    You guys are taking these bomb theories too far

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    They introduce the bomb in one episode and suddenly it's the key to the whole god damn show and everything that's happened since. It's just a god damn hydrogeon bomb, not a lynchpin of the space time continuum, christ.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    This may have been mentioned above

    by SithMenace

    Since I haven't read the whole talkback yet, but IMO the island had mysterious properties before Jughead and Dharma, because in the season premier when they showed Faraday it showed that when Dharma was digging out the one station (don't remember the name) they discovered the wheel that moves the island. My guess is that the wheel was installed by the ancient civilization that constructed the four toed statue, meaning the island has been movable for centuries, and Dharma put in the hard to find feature. That's how the island was found in the 50's by the military, but can't be found now. And Widmore may have been instructed by Alpert to move the island after Jughead was buried, meaning Widmore was "banned" from the island, and the military was unable to find Jughead. In fact, it may have taken Widmore twenty years to find the island again with the Dharma initiative, and would explain why Widmore has such a problem with Ben and Alpert.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    That also explains how the Black Rock

    by SithMenace

    ended up in the middle of the island 150 years ago. But I can't figure out what Widmore's obsession with the Black Rock is.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Jughead was an actual bomb test

    by filmfanatic1

    http://tinyurl.com/aquszk A unit of the TX-16, code named Jughead, was slated for proof test detonation on 22 March 1954 as part of the Castle series, prior to its expected deployment as the EC-16 (Emergency Capability) gravity bomb in May 1954. The excellent results with the solid-fueled Shrimp device in the Castle Bravo test on 1 March(see below) resulted in the cancellation of this test, and then of the entire EC-16 program on 2 April 1954.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Widmore and the "Black Rock"

    by GOB Adama

    It is possible that Widmore is snatching up all information regarding the island... even as far back as and before "The Black Rock"... so he can find some sort of patern to it's movements when it moves. Or something similar.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST

    But Widmore must have taken something WITH him.

    by Smerdyakov

    Otherwise (no pun intended) how did this GI grunt get to be one of the world's richest men?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    yeah, i have a friend who gave up

    by turketron

    He gave up after the 6 episode mini-arc at the beginning of season 3 and never came back. At the time, he started watching Heroes. He was watching 24 season 6 too. He made it through the shit fest that was 24 season 6, but I don't think he watched the next season of Heroes.<p><p>I keep trying to get the fucker to understand that S3 got a lot better but he refuses to go back. His loss!

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST

    how did this GI grunt get to be one of the world's richest men?

    by GOB Adama

    What makes you think he was a GI grunt... Other than the stolen guns and uniform that (I think) was name tagged "Jones"?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Hey Guy Who Got A Headache And Became a Dipshit...

    by Det. John Kimble

    Nuclear devices aren't triggered by dropping them onto a detonator plate. They're detonated by firing a small charge that crushes the fissible material, usually at height to maximize the blast impact. I don't think the Army would drop a nuke 10 feet as a test. Take a look at the Trinity experiment and tower: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_site

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 4:42 p.m. CST

    compass

    by mynamesdan

    we've yet to see its origin. Alpert isn't old, silly billies- time goes by fast on the island. Ms Hawkings is Penny Widmore. look at her. she's Penny. I just read this entire talkback. well done everybody. i'm going to go and lie down/

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 4:43 p.m. CST

    hey,GOB

    by filmfanatic1

    Widmore remembers something that the Losties say, and cashes in on it later... in a future ep.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 4:43 p.m. CST

    take things too far?

    by turketron

    Are you watching the same show as the rest of us, Headache? Making up cockamamie theories and trying to make connections to explain shit is half the fun of this show, whether we are proven right or wrong when the answers are revealed.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Widmore wasn't a GI Grunt...

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    he's a hostile.<p> Or did you miss that fact, Smerdyakov? Richard Alpert and Co. aren't in the army.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Alpert IS old dan...

    by turketron

    It's not just "time goes by fast on the island"... Other people there have aged at a normal rate. Ben was there as a kid.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Q: "How did Widmore become rich?"

    by Dapper Swindler

    A: Same way that Ben was going to give Miles 2.something million dollars.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 4:52 p.m. CST

    edshrinker

    by BrightEyes

    good to see you too man ! Looking forward to a great season with great talkbacks

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Mr Zeddemore re: Desmond

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Yeah but Faraday changed the past. Until they reveal otherwise, that's what happened. It's annoying but I'm gonna try and get past it.<p>One clue that makes me hopeful they actually might have a decent explanation may be that his assumed mother did the same thing.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 4:59 p.m. CST

    BECOME INDESTRUCTIBLE?

    by LarryTate

    so.. regarding this time travel logic that says you can't kill anyone that exists in the present: <p>All you need to do is go BACK in time and tell someone that they are alive in your present. Then, anytime they did something life threatening.. a miracle would happen and save them? </p> <p> Here.. jump off this cliff!!</p> <p>Is that the theory you are feeding us??</p>

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    Juliet

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Yeah I'm getting a bad feeling from her again.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    LarryTate

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Yeah except the miracle would have already happened. And you'd have already told them.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Thunderbolt Ross

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    He didn't change the past. That always happened, it's just that the course-correction ensured that Desmond would only remember it when it was the right time. He couldn't remember that meeting until post-Island because it would screw up history.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 5:40 p.m. CST

    LarryTate

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    It's rather simple. In S3, Ben shoots Locke. Locke doesn't die because Locke has to survive so that he can help Ben get to The Orchid, which thus allows them to go back in time and bury the Jughead. <p> It's course-correction - The Island making sure the timeline exists as it always has.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Shaping Up to Be the Best Season

    by _Maltheus_

    I guess all of our season 3 bitching had an effect after all. The writers have really stepped things up. So what happened to the bomb when the swan station blew? Is it still encased in concrete or is it lying in the middle of the jungle like Locke, Desmond and Eko were? Could the bomb itself now be moving in time? And does the fact the others all speak Latin mean that the foe toed statue is Roman in origin? It was also really nice not to have to put up with Jack and Kate this ep. Jack is the worst character on the show.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Great

    by picardsucks

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Was very pleased with Wid-less revelation

    by LesterGroans

    The young man be a dick like the old man, to be sure. Any episode with lots and lots of Desmond is A-Okay in my books.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 6 p.m. CST

    Not all of us bitched about season 3...

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    just sayin'. I rather enjoyed it.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Da Bomb

    by Zath_ras

    Maybe Season 7 will end with a bang.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Season 3

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I know someone who tuned out after the first six episodes. Whatever they were going for, I'm sure it wasn't to alienate audience members. But in retrospect, it wasn't so bad. And the season from there was very good. The last episode was superb, just great.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 6:21 p.m. CST

    re: Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    by _Maltheus_

    No, not everybody was complaining back then, but that was the peak of it and it seemed like most people were unhappy with it. I knew many people who just stopped watching the show all together back then. The writers were certainly on the defensive, things picked up quite nicely in season 4 and now it look like we're going to get a blow out of a season 5. If only RDM were as responsive to viewer complaints, BSG could have been going out with a similar bang.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Lost S2 was the peak of complaints

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Once we got to Lost 311, they drifted away slowly. You can notice how much better the show became as it hit the halfway point.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST

    _Maltheus_

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    I'll agree with you there. Season 3 definitely separated the wheat from the tares, as far as diehard LOST fans. I never got bored because I'm a "man of faith" who knew the story was in progression. ;)<p>But, yeah... the payoffs are really starting to roll in. I can't wait for the rest of this season!

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Remember Ben Telling Alpert...

    by DeeJay

    ... "welcome back?" I'm now wondering if Alpert is ageless, or if he simply spends time at a location that somehow makes him *appear* to age slower. To wit, most of us know about relative time (which is explained quite well in the original novel--- not film--- for "Planet of the Apes"). We've often assumed that people leaving the island only go to other places on Earth, such as Alpert's trip to Seattle. What if the Others can go somewhere beyond the Island? If so, then Alpert could leave for 60 days Lostie time, but only be gone 1 second, from his own perspective. He could leave for 10 years Others time, but only have 5 seconds flash before his own eyes. In fact, depending on how things work on the Island, all the "Lost" action from the 1950's on could've taken place in 6 months Alpert-time. This might be taking the sci-fi elements of "Lost" to an extreme, but I'm not so sure. It might also explain why Alpert and various Others are so hesitant to tell people such as Locke how to leave the Island--- and even explain Widmore's wealth & Mr. Friendly's digs. After all, a few well-invested 1954 dollars could translate nicely when cashed-out in 2001. If someone only intends to age 2 months while they accrue millions dollars (and they're misanthropes who don't mind their normally-aging associates passing away as this occurs), they'd likely be on a Widmore-Alpert plan, too.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Once and for all! This is how time works on the show.

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    The show follows how Stephen Hawking and Hermann Minkowski think about time, and they think about it in their equations as if it was like space-- a fourth dimension. With this assumption, we assume that everything that has happened or will ever happen has already happened. The day we were born, the day we got married, the day you die, it all happened; a deterministic outlook. We only see time as a causal and linear manner because that is the most our perception can do (unlike Miles, who thinks he can see ghosts but really sees reality in four dimensions [he probably constantly hears whispers on the island]). So if the Lostaways are dislodged from this construct (due to the island jumping through time) and they are bouncing through a wormhole disloding themselves from a linear construct, they can very well die in 1952 (due to the jumping), but that doesnt take away from the fact that they have already done what they have done. Remember. The show views time like a river. In this river, you can go down forward, and sometimes there might be a wormhole. When you get sucked into this wormhole, you can either go forward in the river or back, dislodging yourself from your normal path on the river (in our case, our linear causal view of time). But no matter where you go, you can never change anything that exist already in that river, because it already exists. With Desmond, he subscribes to the compatibalist view of things. Think of it as a river that can branch off another river and create a parallel river. Desmond can be in that parallel river and change the discourse of it. I hope that clears things up.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Meant To Write, "Somewhere Beyond Earth"

    by DeeJay

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST

    billypilgrimisunstuck

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Exactly. A new river can never be created, but you can end up in the river's past or future.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Mr. Zeddemore

    by DeeJay

    Under "Lost" rules, yes. Additionally, why bother changing the past when you can potentially dominate the future? Can you imagine what Walt, Aaron, baby Charlie & Ji Yeon will look like at the very end of season 6? One other thing... didn't you like the way that Locke told Alpert to come visit him after he was born? That one line explains why that company (Mittelos?) kept pursuing Locke through his youth. It doesn't explain why Alpert was frustrated with the child Locke choosing the knife over the compass, though. Not yet, at least.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Review of Lost 5.3

    by Tocksick

    Who knew time travel could be so entertaining after all these years? This show is on a roll and I can't ever see it holding back until the end of the series. While I wouldn't quote Herc and call it "One of the best ever" - it was a very good, revealing episode. I just love how these HUGE things just happen off the cuff - like seeing the young Whidmore or finding out they are in the 50's. As usual with the show, the occurrences on the island were the highlight - I like Desmond but his Oxford mission seemed was a little rehashed. I love how natural a progression the time-travel element is - its like having the characters we love put into a different genre - it makes everything feel so FRESH yet so familiar. I just hope we can have everyone back back to the island by the season's mid-point so we can have some great group missions again.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST

    DeeJay

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Actually, it does. All Alpert knows is that Locke winds up on The Island. He doesn't know how, or when. So I'd guess he gets frustrated and thinks that it'll never happen... not realising that Locke needs to live a shitty life in order to be reborn on The Island. <p> Hence the "we've been waiting for you for a long time" from 320.

  • THERMOnucluear device... COLD room... RADIATION being key to what triggers "the sickness" - I'll buy the "dead man switch" theory, as far as bleeding excess energy goes, but not in terms of stopping some "timer" or explosion... <p> Also, Ellie looks nothing like the time-tripping girl in Oxford - that was the girl from the photo standing next to Daniel. Either his girlfriend (wife?) or his sister - I'm guessing girlfriend, hence losing Charlotte is that much more painful for him... <p> Anyone got a screencap of the girl who was looking after him when he saw the fake 815 on the TV last season and cried for no good reason? I wonder... <p> Oh, Juliet says Latin is the "language of the Enlightened" - to which Sawyer replies "Enlightened my ass!" - I think maybe specifically referring to The Wid? <p> As for the not killing him... (sigh) has this show not already made it ABUNDANTLY clear, you die when you're SUPPOSED to and not a moment sooner? Michael tried to off himself a DOZEN times - hell one time the friggin gun FAILS in Keamy's hands! Locke survives getting shot a pretty much POINT BLANK range by Ben, not to mention surviving an attempt by JACK as well... <p> Sheesh! You GO when the island SAYS you go - end of story.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 7:18 p.m. CST

    And the knife

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Suggests that Locke is going to put violence first. Richard very clearly states in 503 that he gives people the option to leave, and then turns violent. I get the sense he abhors violence unless necessary, so seeing a kid fascinated by a knife would be decidedly annoying.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Aye - go back and watch the Locke scene

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    He hesitates before answering, like he doesn't know why he didn't shoot. Then Sawyer has a clear shot, and misses.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST

    btw - in order to detonate an H-bomb you need an A-bomb

    by Maniaq

    nothing smaller will do - that's a twofer

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 7:27 p.m. CST

    If Charlotte dies, and Faraday becomes despondent...

    by Alfie Boy

    ...and he has a fling with cutie Ellie, AND it turns out that Ellie is Eloise and Faraday's mom, can Faraday be his own dad????

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Who was the chick in the picture with Faraday at the lab?

    by Alfie Boy

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 7:31 p.m. CST

    A few theries and answers

    by Tocksick

    GregoryHarbin mentioned an interesting theory that Jughead was buried and somehow linked to the Swan Station and the 108 minute countdown. It is very possible because if you rememeber, once the counter reaches zero there is a picture of an atomic bomb instead of a number. WHY is Richard ageless? My simple answer is that those born on the island are not effected by time in the same way - also why children can't be born on the island. He must've aged to become a man but something is making him now ageless. The reason that the "time skips" only seem to effect some - it has SOMETHING to do with Desmond turning the key in the season 2 finale - the white light that appears was supposed to have huge repercussions according to Damon and Carlton.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Zeddmore...

    by DeeJay

    ... good point. Locke told Alpert that he gave him the compass, but didn't say precisely how old he was when he received it. So, Alpert was frustrated with the fact that Locke wasn't yet "ready"... meaning that he didn't yet know who he was. You wonder if Locke knows about the Mittelos connection, though. Perhaps that was in one of the files he read at Ben's place? Whatever the case, if Alpert is manipulating relative time in order to appear ageless, he's the very last person who should bother with getting frustrated. As I mentioned in an earlier post, he'd actually be the person who's spent the least amount of "time" with the affairs taking place of the last 55 years.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Des' memory of Daniel

    by Han Job Solo

    I thought it interesting that Desmond woke up with the memory of Daniel when it had just happened in Faraday's perpective. Being as they are linked as constants, does their time conciousness traverse across past, present and future? Something like that anyway, like a three layer cake on a turntable with all three layers being hit by the needle at once. I love this show.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST

    sawyer's feet

    by degausser

    In last week's episode, "The Lie", Sawyer stepped on something sharp again as he walked in the jungle barefoot. This is at least the third time that happened that I can remember. First in Tricia Tanaka is dead then again in The Brig. Is that Sawyer's Achille's Heal?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Degausser...

    by DeeJay

    .. according to one writer at Mania.com, there's a theory that this leads to Sawyer losing a toe... ergo being the motivation for the 4-toed statue built in the past.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    The statue is left over from Roman times.

    by jaymrobinson

    I think someone mentioned this, but I think others have been on the island since ancient Roman times. That's where the statue comes from. Richard Alpert is either Romulus or Remus (or maybe Caesar). That's also why the others all speak Latin.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Jay...

    by DeeJay

    ... how did a Roman statue supposedly get "left over" on the Island?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Biggest inspiration for Lost

    by Tocksick

    I always knew that Stephen King had a big influence on the writers of Lost, but after last week's episode it was essentially CONFIRMED. The show is officially overalapping into "The Langoliers" territory. The story of the flight 29 from Los Angeles to Boston that goes through a "rip in time" causing most people on board to disappear. When they land they eventually realize that they have travelled back in time and the rest of the movie has them trying to get back to the present. I guess "The Stand" is also an influence as well. Either way, I love this show, derivative or not.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:42 p.m. CST

    If Charles Widmore was my father...

    by Napoleon Park

    If CHARLES Widmore was my father or my father-in-law, then it wouldn't matter to me if my best friend I ever had - and the man who reunited me with the woman I loved, and whom I watched die as he was saving my life - was named Charlie... if Charles Widmore was my dad or dad-in-law, there would be NO WAY that I would name my son Charles. Just sayin' is all.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    THe Langoliers

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    I just remember the first part of it being really awesome, and it somehow fell apart in the end (like most Stephen King adaptations, most notably 'It'). I remember giant globs of black eating the ground, them landing on some island (i think) and going to some hq, and then at the end, they finally land back at the airport and they all run and do a YIPPEE!

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST

    DeeJay

    by jaymrobinson

    Because it was built on the island by the others a long time ago.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Good talkback.

    by shellfishh

    Unless I missed it, no one has brought up the possibility of Miles being the Changbaby.(Candlebaby?) Nothing to go on other than them both being Asian, but....

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Billy, Jay & Napoleon...

    by DeeJay

    Billy... don't you think we have to make an exception for "It," though? I mean, wasn't the bad payoff largely due to the TV production budget--- or lack thereof? Of course, "Dreamcatcher" is another story, altogether. Jay... so, were you agreeing with the Mania author's theory or not? That's actually compatible with what he wrote. His theory is based on the idea that Sawyer eventually goes further back in time, and does something heroic. Napoleon... I get your point. Still, are you trying to be ironic, here? You know I respect you--- but the first name in your handle is--- okay, I guess that's different. Besides, "DeeJay" isn't a real name, anyway. By the way... do we know--- for a fact--- that Penny is Charles Widmore's biological daughter? If she isn't, is it possible that Desmond's most hated rival is his own son (and that this continues the daddy issues theme)? Nah. That would probably be overkill.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Shellfishh...

    by DeeJay

    ... what baby are you referring to?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST

    DeeJay

    by shellfishh

    (Unless I COMPLETELY didn't understand the episode) The baby that wakes up Chang before he goes to film the orientation video. With the record skipping while he heats up the bottle.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST

    It.

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    Not only the production budget, but Pennywise turned out to be a friggin spider. An alien spider. WHy couldn't it just be a killer ghost clown? How awesome would that have been? Kubrick's Shining is still legit, but I hear King hated it when it came out. So...go figure?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:12 p.m. CST

    IT

    by shellfishh

    I was massively disappointed by "IT" as a novel. 900 hundred friggin' pages to get to an intergalactic spider???<br><br>Which is fine if you crap your pants at the thought of a six foot spider. If not...<br><br>King has always had trouble with endings.<br><br> As far as "The Shining"...yes it was different from the novel, but after the crappy tv movie remake, King doesn't get to say anything about the Kubrick version. Not that he can legally, anyway.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Desmond, one more time with feeling

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Desmond is an anomaly, but as far as what has been shown, it is his consciousness that travels in time. Or travelled. It's internal. What seems to be missing is why Faraday thinks this adds up to HIM (Faraday) affecting change, albeit via Desmond. Can he MAKE Desmond's consciousness time travel? How? If it was nothing more than Faraday doing what he'd always done by knocking on the door, why was it a new memory? <p>Just saying Desmond is different doesn't sit right with me, because there need to be parameters otherwise god knows when and how they'll play that card. There were parameters, but the shenanigans with Faraday blew them to shit. <p>As I mentioned before Mrs. Hawking ... I actually didn't make the connection till today, that she did the same thing, visited Desmond in his past and affected change. So I'm not as worried as I was that the writers just created a huge clusterfuck. I'm not totally convinced they didn't, but I have some confidence in them

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Tocksick

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    There are so many other influences, and they are very savvy about them, so I don't think you could call it derivative anyway.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:23 p.m. CST

    I just watched it again

    by rbrog77

    I think we caught most of it in the talkback above, but there are a few things to mention.<P> No one has mentioned the paradox. Not the time paradox, but the fact that Locke has to get off the island so the O6 can go back. Locke who so desperately wanted to stay has to leave so others that wanted to leave can go back. That's funny.<P> Juliet is remarkably calm about all this. I wonder where that's leading.<P> Juliet also call latin the language of the enlightened. Among the definitions to this I found were...<P> To give spiritual or intellectual insight to<P> rational and having beneficial effects<P> people who have been introduced to the mysteries of some field or activity<P> I think it goes to the gods, but you have to see that the word was used deliberately.<P> I think the episode "The Long Con" was a metaphor for things in the show. Sawyer was a conman. Ben is the ultimate con artist. It's my contention that Jack is conning Ben to get back to the island and that Sun is conning Kate to get to Ben. But I think we may have another con going on.<P> Penny.<P> I didn't see it until re-view, but she jumped on the "you're lying" bit pretty quickly. So suppose, just suppose she was searching for Des all that time because of her father rather than for love. Not necessarily because she's working for him, although that would work, but because she knows of and believes in the island and its properties.<P> What a con job that would be.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Shellfishh & Billy...

    by DeeJay

    Shellfishh... I see. And I'm with you. You've got me doing some Internet surfing, and there appears to be a couple of different theories about that baby, as well. Billy... yes, it was a horrible payoff. But you have to admit that the shared feeling of disappointment (by millions of watchers all over the country) is rather funny to think back on. I remember watching that spider crawl on screen and thinking, "ah! It's the real Pennyshines!! AAHH! It's comin' to get them! Ah.. it's, it's... aw, come on." The fact that you and others were "there" with the people I was watching it with, fellow poster? Well, in retrospect, that makes it all worthwhile :-) Shellfishh... did the book even make the spider seem intimidating? I mean, being intergalactic should be more than enough--- but I'm curious.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:35 p.m. CST

    DeeJay

    by shellfishh

    Not really. Thinking back, I thought it was simply lazy writing. King took the easy way out and gave us a quick visual. Kind of like a writer saying a character looked like Helen Hunt. Effective, but lazy.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Daniel is from the past

    by CherryValance

    I'm convinced. When the island originally moved he knew exactly what was going on. Remember when he was like "we must have been inside the radius" how would he know there was a radius for them to be in or out of if he hadn't done it before? That crap about not being able to change the past was a big old fat lie, because Des heard Sawyer banging on the door and that didn't happen in the past 'cause Sawyer wasn't on the island yet at that point. Daniel is full of it. You can't say they are all these rules except for Des. That's BS.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    The other problem with IT...

    by shellfishh

    the novel, was having to go through the same story twice. Once with the characters as kids, then again, doing essentially the same thing as adults.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Something I meant to ask a long time ago...

    by shellfishh

    Was there any rhyme or reason for Neil being called "Froghurt?"

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Shellfishh...

    by DeeJay

    ... that actually makes it even *funnier* to think about.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Shellfishh...

    by DeeJay

    ... I read that it tied to his having a prior job selling frozen yogurt. Apparently, Sawyer still mocks him--- even in death.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:47 p.m. CST

    by Mortegro

    Desmond: Why'd you stand in our way, brutha? Charles: She's my daughter Desmond slaps Charles. Charles: My Mother. Desmond slaps Charles again. Charles: SHE'S MY DAUGHTER AND MY MOTHER. *Charles and Desmond embrace in passionate kiss* Charles: I'VE ALWAYS LOVED YOU!

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:49 p.m. CST

    I mean...

    by shellfishh

    Neil DID kind of look like the Cursed Froghurt guy from the Simpsons episode. If you squint a bit.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Mortegro

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    I was waiting for someone to bust out the Chinatown. Cheers, sir! Top notch!

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:17 p.m. CST

    zom-bot.com....not talking stereotypical 50s

    by bacci40

    christ...the thing that gets mad men right is that the people look and behave like they are in the 60s...people in the 50s did look, dress and behave differently than they do now...be they "others" or not...

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:17 p.m. CST

    zom-bot.com....not talking stereotypical 50s

    by bacci40

    christ...the thing that gets mad men right is that the people look and behave like they are in the 60s...people in the 50s did look, dress and behave differently than they do now...be they "others" or not...

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Chinatown

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    That's not the first Chinatown reference in this TB - it was done up above slightly differently by someone else. Coincidence? Or Lost TB mystery?

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 11:06 p.m. CST

    DeeJay

    by jaymrobinson

    I'm not familiar with what the Mania author wrote, but I doubt that we get a story about Saywer going back in time. Although it would be pretty cool, I don't think that is going to happen.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Polar Bear Painting

    by Han Job Solo

    Just re-watched the scene in Widmore's office. The polar bear was on it's hind legs with the front paws in a forward pushing stance at about the height of the donkey wheel arms. Missed that, had to stop the Tivo to see it more clearly. Actually missed the painting entirely until it was brought up earlier. Good stuff.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Another thing about "IT"...

    by Murraypalooza

    You've got this creepy story with the kids that works really well. Then you've got a semi-creepy thing with the adults playing at the same time, which makes you know that they all lived as kids but might not live as adults.<br /><br /> But what the fuck was with that group gangbang scene?<br /><br /> I was into the story at that point, digging in and wondering how it would all tie up. Then King threw that 'fucking in the sewer' thing in there and it was so far beyond believable (even in comparison to killer clowns, intergalactic turtles and spiders, etc) that it was distracting and left a bitter aftertaste.

  • Jan. 29, 2009, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Polar Bear Painting

    by Murraypalooza

    Someone probably knew that whomever moved the island could never go back. Either Widmore moved it when he was a kidmore (haha, IM WITTY) or he somehow trained the polar bears to move it so he wouldn't be sacrificed to the Island-banishment (hence, one in Tunisia) but then the Island was basically like "You can't bend the rules that way" and banished that mofo ever since.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Polar Bears and the wheel

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Not that im against cruelty to animals, but, ah, shit, only a bear can push the wheel? I mean....um, what about a built device? A rope? <br> <br> Polar bears arent from the island. I'm sure they were imported....Um, I woulda used that cash to find or build a different method of moving the wheel. I know Ben had no choice, but really. Something as important as that. Means of last resort? Yeah.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Widmore's office paintings

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    You can take a look at screen shots of them here:<p> http://tinyurl.com/b95azf<p> http://tinyurl.com/cuca4x<p> http://tinyurl.com/bbuygv

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 1:36 a.m. CST

    so it has to e

    by mynamesdan

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 1:39 a.m. CST

    whoops a daisy

    by mynamesdan

    so it has to be something living pushing the wheel- there's some energy transferral or something/ that's not too hard to believe. but listen up, people, there are no immortal humans. why would Alpert need reading glasses if he was an eternal being. no way. the only reason Alpert appears timeless is that we can stitch all the times we see him into, lets say a three year period. i'm just not certain whether long-hair Alpert is the beginning of this sequence or the end...

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Speaking of Steve & King

    by Napoleon Park

    I once wasted most of a Spring reading The Tommyknockers. Cheezus, if I'd been on drugs the whole time I might have enjoyed it as much as King enjoyed writing it. I'm not saying he deserved to get hit by a car, but what goes around comes around.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Richard Alpert = Ram Dass

    by jbum

    Richard Alpert shares his name with Dr. Richard Alpert who was an associate of Timothy Leary and did LSD experiments at Havard in the early 1960s before they both got kicked out, and he became Baba Ram Dass, writing the influential hippy-consciousness book "Be Here Now". Perhaps they gave him that name because he is always, on the Island, "here and now". This also might explain connections with the Dharma Initiative.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:31 a.m. CST

    run, run as fast as you can

    by mynamesdan

    i think i spent a whole spring watching the movie

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Miles baby

    by Maniaq

    the possibility that Miles could be Cheng's lovechild was raised in last week's talkback, when we first saw Cheng and his baby... <p> personally, I think that's a stretch, but considering the way EVERYBODY is connected in this show (although somehow in a less contrived way than Heroes?) I wouldn't be surprised in the least bit... <p> Frogurt was introduced back in S1, I think during the whole census bit, and you know.. Sawyer's gotta have a nickname for ya... <p> I'm still expecting The Wid to turn out to be Faraday's dad - that's a helluva lotta trouble he went to, taking care of Ellie's kid for her and even talking care of the girlfriend(?) or whatever that chick in the photo who is now time-trippin like crazy... <p> how long has she been like that? <p> did they say 3 years? <p> Minkowski didn't last that long, and Desmond was nearly a gonner after a couple of days... Charlotte, assuming she's got "the Sickness" of course, doesn't look like she'll last three years... Eloise-the-rat barely lasted an hour... <p> hmmm.....

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 4:14 a.m. CST

    RE: Stephen King

    by champvinyl

    The show is obviously very influenced by stephen king's books as a whole but you guys are forgetting the Dark Tower series which the producers have *quoted* as an influence for the plot, apparently kates character is actually the "main" character (whatever that means on a show like this...). Anyways... quit going on about tommyknockers,the stand, or the langoliers because the relation is mostly coincidental... (uhh hellooooo they all involve time travel, BIG leap guys. sigh.) ... also, all the crazy Widmore is his daughters son crap is totally insane; before posting some sort of whack fuckin prediction take a cruise past lostpedia. jeebus.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 7 a.m. CST

    Lost is an amalgamation of King work

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Not that it's bad (they took the best parts), but it's fascinating to see how much Lost has in common with... say... It!

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Juliet was reading Carrie in the book club

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    and Darlton said that her personality was loosely based on the books character.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Napoleon

    by shellfishh

    Perhaps a bit harsh assessment of The Tommyknockers.....but not by much. That was one of his first big misses. Something that has become more and more common since his 'retirements' and being hit by the van. <br><br> "Lisey's Story" is the worst of the bunch. I literally COULD NOT READ that fucking thing. Chapter three for the fifth time before I threw it as far as possible from me.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Bag Of Bones for Me

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I loved that book, and then they pulled a bullshit move near the end. One of my favourite book characters of all time is brutally discarded, and then King goes into racist character overdrive.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 7:29 a.m. CST

    While we are on the subject...

    by shellfishh

    of bad King books. I do NOT understand the love for "Needful Things". <br><br> Hey, here's a bunch of people, get to know them and then I am going to kill most of them off. Especially when he killed that kid.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Zeddemore

    by shellfishh

    Yeah, that was a dick move near the end of "Bag of Bones". He did the same fucking thing in "Cell".

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 7:34 a.m. CST

    shellfishh

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I fricking hate it when they do that in stories. Whedon does it a lot too. They think it's effective writing to take out characters we love near the end... I don't go 'oh man, I have to read on.' No, I reluctantly read fifty more pages and ditched the book.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Hell

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I still hate that Boone had to die on Lost. I know why he died, I just think the character had more stories to tell.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 7:39 a.m. CST

    It depends

    by shellfishh

    on how it's done. Obviously in a big story like The Stand, you're going to lose some characters before it's over. But both in "Cell" and "Bag of Bones" it felt more like 'this will really screw the readers up' than something that was organic to the story.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 7:44 a.m. CST

    True

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    But in a larger novel, you can pick up the slack. Bag of Bones had three main characters, and he chops one for... fuck knows why.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 7:52 a.m. CST

    LOST vs IT

    by Zath_ras

    IT was about a giant space spider that crashed millions of years ago in the region later known as Derry, Maine. It lived deep underground and would feed every 20 years or so. It could use mantal illusion to attack its victims and often resorted to frightening mental imagery for the fun of it. It attacks a group of children who escape but return as adults to finish the job. Aside from Smokezilla's theorized ability to appear in various forms, I can't think of anything else that LOST has in common with IT. If anything, IT's monster has much more in common with the primordial vaseline monster in Dean Koontz's PHANTOMS, which was published three years earlier in 1983.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Killing characters

    by Zath_ras

    Obviously, it's different killing characters in a book - the author is God. Perhaps King's best use kill-offs were in THE STAND when Harold Lauder killed off the leaders of the Boulder group at the meeting and mother Abigaile decides to walk off into the desert. Bad day for the good guys, and it really ups the drama. In tv-land, though, you have budgetary concerns, actors who want to pursue other things or just leave for other reasons(Mr Eko, anyone), actors who drive drunk, etc. Working in television is at the mercy of real world events over which the showrunner may have little or no control.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 8:03 a.m. CST

    I do like it...

    by shellfishh

    that just like Fate or God or whatever in LOST that needs to course correct to get things back on track, the producers have to do the same thing as actors leave, get DUI's, or they have to resolve plot conflicts.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 8:09 a.m. CST

    The bigger the cast

    by Zath_ras

    the more difficult it gets.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Adam and Eve

    by DrDangerous

    Lost always gives the audience what they Don't expect. Why the hell would those skeletons be Jack and Kate. There is a smarter explanation. Someone back me up! Think out of the box.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Lost and Stephen King

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Or ANYTHING and Stephen King - the man has written thousands of books on every subject. You could argue pretty much every work of popular fiction is an amalgamation of his stuff, since he has pretty much covered every subject known to man.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Polar Bears and the Donkey Wheel

    by Zath_ras

    That's a pretty good explanation, but the wheel has been in a sealed chamber. Dr Cheng (Candle) told the construction foreman not to drill into it, but to build around it. Dharma brough the polar brars and Ben had to blow a hole through the wall of the chamber in order to get in and turn the wheel, so I don't know when they would have ever gotten a bear in there.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    its penny and des..

    by emeraldboy

    in the cave. She gets control of the island.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 9:02 a.m. CST

    IT and Lost

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    How about the fact that IT focuses on a group of characters brought together by a fantastical construct... who then leave and do their best to forget the construct exists... then are recruited by an old friend to come back and finish things once and for all. <p> The Oceanic Six are the ones who have to go back, despite not wanting to. They're recruited by an old friend (Ben) to do. so.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Nikki and Paulo

    by shellfishh

    are Adam and Eve! Talk about a big FU to the audience.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Smoke Monster

    by melchior42

    I'm fairly certain the smoke monster is a swarm of nanotechnology bots, serving as the island security system 'Cerberus'. It's straight out of Michael Crichton's Prey, especially when Eko sees it clearly.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Soylent green is people

    by flossygomez

    I think the Others are really the Millennium Group.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Losties jumping?

    by spiderknight1102

    Just a quick question ? if the losties are jumping and not the island how come when ben did his thing with that wheel and everything jumped the oceanic six could no longer see the island. If the people are jumping and not the island shouldnt it still be there? Any thoughts

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Zeddemore and Smoky

    by Zath_ras

    Zeddemore: I disagree about the leaving and returning part. In IT, they literally DID forget, in LOST they're just lying and hiding. The story continues for these people whether or not they are on or off the island. You can make the argument, but it a real stretch - espcially when you're talking about a plot point that doesn't occur until after 4 years. And where the fuck is smoky. It seems like the island has been way too easy to explore this past year. Danielle was on the island for 16 years and never saw another living soul before Sayid, now people march back and forth from the Swan hatch to Othersville like it's a walk in the park.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Spiderknight

    by shellfishh

    The island DID move. When it disappeared, you saw the displacement in the water. Now, is it moving in location AND time, or just location while the people move in time? That's the question.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Course it's a stretch

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I don't think Lost rips off IT, but I do think it's an inspiration.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Juliet

    by The Alienist

    Juliet was once locked in Room 23, she has had the brainwashing. That's why she is tentative about giving up secrets. Remember, after being there only a few years, Ben tells her Jacob has cured her sister of cancer. She takes this at face value, doesn't doubt how an unseen man presumably on a south seas island can cure the cancer of a woman thousands of miles away. She is an Other and, as such, is indoctrinated. Yes she's a rebel too. That's why we love our Juliet...

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Oh,

    by The Alienist

    Sorry, I'm just presuming, as an Other, she was locked in Room 23 (the room Karl was being brainwashed in). I don't know this for a fact as it was never in the show. I'm just guessing.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Juliet's sister

    by Zath_ras

    If I'm not mistaken, I think Ben showed her surveillance video of her sister in a park looking all healthy to back this up.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST

    No doubt, TheAlienist

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Juliet has no qualms with letting The Losties take The Others down, but I never got the sense that she was against the concept of The Others... more what Ben had made them become.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Richard Alpert's Mascara

    by _Maltheus_

    I can see him getting away with that in this day and age, but in the 50s? I do believe he'd get his ass kicked.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Juliette..

    by emeraldboy

    It didnt take her long to see through bens manipulation.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST

    ben ruled through manipulation..

    by emeraldboy

    he fed his people stories. once juliette was made to see bens manipulation. ie the only way she could ever see her sister was through a monitor. on the island. from that moment on she hated. ben.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Looks like I may be doin#g weekly Lost rants -

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    - on that site. Should be fun.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 11 a.m. CST

    Fuck Polar Bears

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Fuck em right where it counts

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Theories:

    by Novaman5000

    Charlotte is dying because she was conceived on the island. Her mother was got off the island to give birth to her somehow, so Charlotte was fine, but now coming back, whatever tried to kill her as a fetus is starting to kill her again. Seems like if you were conceived on the island and managed to be born elsewhere, you can never go back.<p> Faraday's mother is the old woman from Desmond's past, the one we saw with the pendulum speaking to Ben... Perhaps that crazy young girl we saw this week is her younger self, but perhaps not.<p> Could Jughead be behind that concrete wall in the hatch? I heard the explained what that was in the lost videogame, but never played it.<p> Also, didn't the game feature the main character popping backwards in time after a flash of light? foreshadowing, no doubt... Even if the game was a minor, unimportant part of the lost story, the writers still had a hand in it's creation.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 11:34 a.m. CST

    A little overboard Herc?

    by Lou C.

    One of the best episodes ever? Really? It was a huge letdown when I actually watched it. Good ep, but nothing that special. Big deal. Widmore was on the island. Is that REALLY a shocker? Am I missing something here?

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Damn this is heavy!

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I'm gonna find a polar bear to lift it. I always think polar bear first.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    I think Widmore already knew about the wheel

    by SithMenace

    because I think he was the one that turned it after Jughead was buried to hide the island from the military (just opinion on my part). But if Widmore knew about the wheel, then you can bet Anyone that mattered in the Dharma initiative knew about it, and knew what it did. Which is why Candle said to build around it.<p>Long story short I don't think the bears were there for the wheel.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, noon CST

    (Off topic) IT

    by bellwether

    IT's ultimate form was the Deadlights, not the Spider. One of the Losers perceives the Spider in '58 and sets the glamour in that form, but they realize that it's not the true form, just the closest approximation to the underlying horror that their minds can imagine. The final form is in the Deadlights.<b> As for the sex thing, that's a strange diversion. I think I can see what King's getting at: after the first Ritual of Chud, the power that binds the Losers together and makes them more than children starts to evaporate, so Beverley initiates a ritual symbolic of adulthood to temporarily restore the power. Unfortunately it can come across as a little jarring.<b> Lost seems to dip into the same well as King, although there's no one for one match. One interesting theme in IT was the damming of the stream in the Barrens - the Barrens are the symbolic territory of childhood, the Losers prevent the river completing its journey to the sea (until an authority figure turns up and stops them), and a unique ability to tap into the imaginative power of childhood is what enables the Losers to fight IT as adults. In a way they dammed the flow of time past '58 and preserved their childhood (as side effects, they're unnaturaly youthful and can't have children). There's a great deal going on beneath the surface of that book.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST

    tween gangbang

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    That is the central theme of It, and what a classic theme it is.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    it makes sense that widmore turned the wheel

    by Novaman5000

    to save the island and was popped away from it and has spent the rest of his life trying to find it again.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Nanobites...Lord.

    by HoboCode

    Haven't heard that theory brought up since Season 1 when it was DEBUNKED immediately by Darlton.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    It!

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    Seriously guys, IT was just a subsidiary comment! How did we start comparing it to our beloved show?!

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Richard Alpert looking for the Dalai Lama?

    by Raschied

    I find it interesting that when Richard went to see the young John Locke, he used a technique similar to how Tibetan Lamas confirm the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama. He used a jumble of things, and one of those things had significance to Locke in a past time (thinking linearly, of course, which isn't how consciousness works in this show.) Locke, of course, didn't remember the compass, picked the knife, and disappointed the hell out of Alpert. This was the first time we saw a Richard Alpert that didn't have all the answers - I'm worried that he mistook his brief visit with Locke in 1954(?)as too big of a sign. Locke, as the present-day leader, hasn't done a hell of a lot for the Others yet, despite everyone's reverence for him. I also think the episode that will be the biggest mindfuck yet is when Richard Alpert comes center stage.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Novaman5000

    by SithMenace

    Yeah, IMO Widmore was essentially "banned" from the island like Ben later on, but I think he found it with the Dharma initiative 20 years later. It's possible that Ellie then turned the wheel after the purge so Widmore couldn't find the island again. After all, she is seemingly working with Widmore's nemesis, Ben. If that's the case with Ellie though, I don't see how she could be Faraday's mother since he looks too old to have been born after the purge. She could have just been sent to keep an eye on Widmore, and the others just used Dharma technology to hide the island from him.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 2:09 p.m. CST

    My thoughts on Jughead

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    My first thought when watching this was what the heck. This sure is Hollywood because Penny sure popped that baby out quickly! My wife & I have had 2 boys and she was in labor for about 10 - 15 hours and thats somewhat normal. our second one was half that at about 7 hours. I hear that it comes quicker with time. Like my Sister-In-Law's 7th baby took about a half an hour. Anyways I really loved the part with Desmond talking to his Toddler son about the island and how he really was talking about England/Scotland. <br> <br> Im curious if Ellie recognized Faraday or if she said what she said just thinking that they were the American Army. <br> <br> I love how Faraday tries to calm Miles like he did with Charlotte last season. <br> <br> I love how Miles is being used more. I wonder if we will be able to see firsthand the story of the four soldiers. <br> <br> Juliets "Others 101" along with Im an Other, Your an Other was awsome.<br> <br> Man Widmore showed himself to be ruthless even from the begining doing that neck snap. <br> <br> I don't know the timeline, but what if Theressa was the woman in Faraday's first flashback that he starts crying and his wife asks him whats wrong? Or in other words his wife? Could he have experimented on his wife and then Widmore blackmailed him into leaving for LA as the story goes or in reality the island? <br> <br> I love how now Desmond has to go to the one place that will put Penny in danger. Its my guess with that and with Penny making him promise not to return to the island that that is exactly what he, Penny & Charlie with do.<br> <br> I love how Locke just strolls into the camp yelling out Richard Alpert. And then Lockes reaction to meeting Widmore. To bad he didn't have a gun to shoot him although I would suppose that the island or time or something wouldn't let him just like when Michael tried to kill himself. <br> <br> Penny's very perseptive to see through Desmond's lie. <br> <br> I wonder if Locke is in some way training Richard to be able to train himself? <br> <br> I love Mile's "Yeah Im good to" when Daniel asks Charlotte if shes ok <br>

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Raschied

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    Darlton confirmed just that in a podcast that Richard is like a Dali ---- can't remember the name, what that individual is in charge of finding the next Dali Lama

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Charlie is not Widmore!

    by HoboCode

    Jesus they named him after Pace. Penny gives bith to her own father? That's fucked up on so many levels. Reminds of that Palahniuk book "Rant" where the main character keeps going back in time to incestually rape his own female family members in order to create a superhuman form of himself.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:07 p.m. CST

    rumple polarskin

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    "Holy shit, there's a big wheel in here! I wonder if I can turn it ... Yep, I can! Hey guys, come help me with this! Actually, you know what - fuck it. Let's order in some polar bears to do it. Yeah, you heard me - polar bears, bitches!"

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    rumple foreskin

    by HoboCode

    Hey big guy. How about you go shove your head up your own ass you smartass little bitch. Let's hear your critique once your dislodged.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    4we8have15to16go23back42

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    How do you know when Penny's labor started?

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Why did Halliwax have a parka in there anyway?

    by HoboCode

    Seems to me that Dharma never intended to blow up their own research equipment on a regular basis in order to turn the wheel.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Penny's labor.

    by HoboCode

    Yeah, she did say "What took you so long?" when Des returned. She could have been in labor for awhile.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Does anyone REALLY like Juliet???

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Fuck her, fuck her fuckin non-smirk too. I think I liked nikki better! Plus that bitch was a home-wrecker.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Miles is the New Sawyer

    by Stabby

    Miles is the funniest character on the show right now with the best one liners that usually were reserved for Sawyer. I loved when Miles corrected Sawyer's nicknaming in the first episode. And his 'Yeah, I'm OK thanks' response to Daniel's slobbering over seeing Charlotte unharmed.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Dumple, it's pretty obvious...

    by HoboCode

    you're the only 40-year old virgin here. Hard to understand, too, what with your sparkling personality.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST

    I think Miles is Charlie's sarcastic replacement...

    by HoboCode

    not Sawyer's.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    What if they were all born on the island?

    by Novaman5000

    The freight people? Faraday, Miles (pierre changs son perhaps? are they both the same ethnicity?) and charlotte...

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    But they were both sarcastic I guess.

    by HoboCode

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Oh! another big clue from the premiere

    by Novaman5000

    Babies were being born just fine in the 70s... Pierre had his. Maybe this conception thing happened after the incident? Like as a result of it?<p> Also, I'm thinking that Daniel is going to be the one who causes the incident... He's going to be trying to stop the time hopping to save charlotte and he is gonna tap into that energy well they found by the wheel.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Regarding Juliet

    by mordiceius

    She can sometimes be annoying but I'd still plow her. She's fine as fuck.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:29 p.m. CST

    You're right, rumple.

    by HoboCode

    There is no more classic, poignant, or underused comedy than mom jokes. I bow to your superior intellect and sense of humor.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    They weren't there after the purge with ellie

    by Novaman5000

    They were way before. Locke says the date and it's 2 years before he's born. She could have had daniel between then and the dharma purge and then could totally be daniel's mother, no? If daniel was born off island it would make sense that it happened after she turned the wheel herself.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST

    rumple foreskin is a dick or at least a part of one

    by Stabby

    But his comparison of '4we8have15to16go23back42's THOUGHTS ON JUGHEAD...' to 'Chris Farley's patented trivial review stylings' is dead on and hilarious. Sorry, 4we8have15to16go23back42.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Could Hanso be Widmore?

    by Novaman5000

    They do look similar in that one orientation film picture- bald head... or am I crazy?

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Anyone been to the misfit's site lately?

    by theBigE

    Jeez - the misfit is here blogspot on Lost cracked me up again this week. Anyone else check that out? It's corny, but I dig it. Just google it, you'll find it. <p> "So Daniel Faraway KNEW Libby AS well!!Just as I suspected and PREDICTED 5 years AGO!!"

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    More MiSfIt quotes

    by theBigE

    "HEllo people!! I am back with MY first REVIEW of SEason 5!! I still CANNOT believe that this is THE last season!!" <p>"I did NOT understand why CRAZY welsh Desmond was dressed AS AUSTIN Powers!!" <p>"Nice TO see penny call their NEW Glue headed baby Charlie ARfter her DAD!" <p>Ok, I'll stop posting these. But the funny thing, people respond to him as if he's serious!

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Rumple#

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I'll keep it simple - you're a troll. Fuck off.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Desmond Style

    by Zath_ras

    He did look like Michael Fucking Caine walking around Oxford.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Zeddemore & Hobo...

    by DeeJay

    ... fellas, if you're going to argue with someone, why waste your time with someone who doesn't even communicate on your level? Anyway... I think the kids in this show (young Charlie, et al) are likely to play a significant role towards the end. Besides that fitting with the way the story has been unfolding, the acknowledgement of new life is one of the things that makes this show so different. Most shows have *a* baby or two. Very few have a bundle of crumb-snatchers growing-up as we watch. I don't know if it's fair to say that such a thing exposes Lost's feminine side--- but think it makes the show unique, nonetheless.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Juliet, Adam and Eve, and a partridge in a pear tree.

    by PoorOLtinTin

    Juliet's character is doing the infamous Lost move where you're like, man if she'd just take five minutes and just fucking tell them... yeah she can be grating, but she has awesome cans. Also, Adam and Eve are Aaron and Ji-yeon. It makes perfect sense.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Thanks Node/Hobo

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    I appriciate what you said.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Misfit

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    I posted the misfit reviews for the first 2 episodes lasr night. Scroll down a bit. <br> <br> http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST

    last night

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST

    EW's Ausiello files and Hawking

    by Jor-El23

    According to a Oct 31st posting on the Ausiello blog/forum/whatever it is: "Brotherhood's Fionnula Flanagan, who played the omniscient ring-seller who spooked Desmond in year 3, will be back this season to unload a humdinger of a secret: She's related to a major character. And it's not Des. Or Vincent. Or... Nope, that's all you're getting."

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Next Week's Episode

    by arzt go boom

    I haven't seen anyone else mention this, but in the teaser for next week's ep, we see a big column of light shining straight up. i think it is a fair deduction that this is the light shining up through the swan hatch window, as we saw in season one. agree? plus we also see sawyer say that he saw kate (hmm, natural alliteration. i must have some poet in me). will we get to see our first episode hinting at the source of the whispers? it's nice to be back, i've been reading, but not commenting in a while. keep it up! i'm loving this season so far, and (mostly) everyone's theories! darlton, stop slacking on the podcasts

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Theressa

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    What if Theressa was the woman in Faraday's first flashback that he starts crying and his wife asks him whats wrong? Or in other words his wife? Could he have experimented on his wife and then Widmore blackmailed him into leaving for LA as the story goes or in reality the island?

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 6:24 p.m. CST

    watch out Sawyer! everyone close to Juliet DIES!

    by Maniaq

    don't be fooled by those cans! <p> her husband, then Ethan, then Goodwin... don't get too close Sawyer!

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Sawyer as four toed statue

    by arzt go boom

    if it does happen that sawyer loses a toe because of the thorn or whatever he stepped on, thus becoming the inspiration for the ancient civilization building the statue, won't it be awesome to see a humongous, colossus-of-rhodes-sized statue of sawyer? BTW- GOB Adama, i've been loving your theories, very logically reasoned, and never jumping to conclusions, especially your explanation of the time jumping in the season premiere. keep it up

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    4we8have15to16go23back42

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    You do reviews too? Man, good stuff.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 7:03 p.m. CST

    4we8have15to16go23back42

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    My sister barely made it to the hospital with her first kid. She was at home and nearly had the baby on the way there. Her second kid took a bit longer, but not more than a couple hours.<p> It's certainly not unheard of for a woman to go into labor and very quickly have the baby.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Thanks Mr. Zeddemore

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Deejay, i couldn't agree more.

    by mynamesdan

    this season's ALL about which kid is whose kid. and where they end up. and which kid is THEIR kid. i'm nowhere near photographic enough to remember lines from the show but has anyone ever heard a character refer to their "children's children" because that's where we're headed. whether baby charlie is in fact his mother's father or not- i guarantee you we've already seen jin's baby, claire's baby and des' baby as grown ups on the island at some point. those parts have most certainly already been cast and filmed- we just have to work out which extras they ALREADY ARE!

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Deejay

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    Spoiler - There was a casting call for 20 year old Aaron & Ji Yeon for a future episode ofn the island that takes place 2030.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Since it's all about who's whose kid....

    by Adelai Niska

    I'll throw out the completely ridiculous idea that Faraday is actually Charlotte's father, and he'll find her mother during the one of the time-jumps, thus providing her with a constant. That's why he says he loves her but is always so awkward. His love is non-romantic.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 8:17 p.m. CST

    this week's thoughts

    by arzt go boom

    darlton- i demand a richard alpert flashback post haste! "<" and juliet's tits have been unreal this year. they were front and center on this week's vodcast and in that EW picture. damn

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Charlotte Question ?

    by Itchy

    Hot or not ? I'm really torn. She looks a little freaky some times, but on others, particularly from the rear, she makes my pants move a little.

  • Jan. 30, 2009, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Time Travel Overload

    by mike1976

    "(I just hope enough Losties stay tuned in for LOM and that the general viewership doesn't get burned out over having two tricky time travel series back to back.)" It didn't work out too well for Journeyman in 2007 when it followed Heroes.

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Cheif Brody - Young Locke picked the compass..

    by Mundungus

    and the sand in a vile. The problem was he picked up the knife rather than the Book of Laws. <p> My take, Locke knew the knife wasn't his, but he was thinking, "Cool, Free Knife..". Richard should have talked with him about it more.

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 12:45 a.m. CST

    that sand was VILE man.

    by mynamesdan

    no, he picked the knife because it was his. They're probably all his things eventually- but Alpert already had one murderous little toe-rag too many in the running. he didn't need another.

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Charles Hume...not Widmore

    by vmj19

    Check screen caps. Des is wearing a wedding ban. I would think then that lil Charlie would be a Hume not a Widmore.

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 2:24 a.m. CST

    Mundungus...Tho thinketh too much...

    by Cheif Brody

    Alpert, upon visiting 10 year-old Locke, thought fer SURE, John would select the compass as "his". <p> Trouble is...John had not yet GIVEN Rich the compass yet. Therefore, John selected the thing he thought was COOLEST. Hence, the knife...which we all know, adult John has a penchant for. <p> Alpert THOUGHT John would pick the compass fer sure. But...10 year-old Locke would have no idea that was what Alpert was expecting as...John had not yet given the compass to Richard...thus, Alpert's disappointment. <p> Locke had no idea the compass was special. Rich was disappointed by this.,......

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 2:56 a.m. CST

    the knife and the compass

    by Maniaq

    yeah, like I said up above, Alpert asked Young Locke to choose what belongs to YOU (Locke) not ME - the compass was not John's - he was giving it BACK to Richard... <p> Maybe he wasn't clear about that and Alpert assumed the compass must be his? He didn't seem to recognise it as his own - there was no "what the- where did you get that?" it was a little more like "yeah it points north, that's great John" <p> Also, Adelai, I had a "hunch" last week that Charlotte and Faraday are related - I was leaning toward mother/son at the time but didn't discount the father/daughter or brother/sister possibility - still don't - although I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be Penny's (half) brother instead...

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Didn't Locke pick the compass first?

    by Mundungus

    Young Locke must have felt something about it. <p> And yes, I wrote vile for vial. It won't happen again, I couldn't see myself making too phonetic spelling errors in one day.

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 6:02 a.m. CST

    Another question about Richard's test.

    by Mundungus

    Would Richard show the same items to test other young Leader prospects?

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 7:14 a.m. CST

    arrghh - spoilers!

    by theBigE

    C'mon now, pa, don't spill the beans! I didn't know that adult Aaron and Ji Yeon were showing up! I've really been trying to stay spoiler-free this season! It's been hard - even at the MisFit's site you can find pictures of Sawyer and Kate wearing costumes that I didn't expect. So spoilers are everywhere! That said, I like the Faraday/Charlotte Father / Daughter thing, except Ben stated her father was someone else last season. Also, I don't think that was Faraday's "wife" that talked to him while he was crying at the 815 footage. It was only a few months later he showed up on the island, and he'd been doing time experiments for some time. Oh, and I did notice those wedding rings on Desmond and Penelope as well. So little Charlie Hume is a better bet than Penelope giving birth to her father.

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Also - pa

    by theBigE

    Ignore the troller from yesterday. If it's not actually a stupid kid on mommy's computer, he has the mental age of it. Keep up the reviews.

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Richard's Test

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Locke wasn't meant to pick the knife. The Others have done bad things, but they've never committed violence unless they had to. <p> 503 confirms this - Richard clearly says they give people the option to leave. If they don't, then there's violence.

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Dont Overthink why Charlotte's dying

    by catlettuce4

    She'd dying from the same thing that killed Farraday's lab rats and Fisher Steven's character. It's been established that not everyone can survive time travel. She' obviously one of those people and Farrady knows it.

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Am I Where? With Who?

    by vmj19

    I think I'm getting nosebleeds thinking this stuff out. Desmond didn't have the memory of Daniel visiting him at the hatch until the event occurred. That's how stuff rolls on the island right? Locke told Richard to see him be born in 1956 to 1954 Richard. As soon as Locke said that did 1956 Richard go, "Oh, crap I have to go visit this guy? Why did I just now remember this?" But we already saw this happen via flashback so it "already happened" even though Locke had not yet gone back to tell Richard???

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 9:31 a.m. CST

    vmj19

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    These events had already happened when 815 crashed. With regards to Desmond, it's course-correction - he doesn't remember the meeting until it's time to remember the meeting.

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 10:06 a.m. CST

    bit late to the party ...

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Just got back from my honeymoon and have now caught up on the first three episode. <p> Think my wife loved my constant mentioning of "can't wait to watch Lost" and being on a tropical island helped even more with the Lost visualization. <p> Enjoyed the first 3 , though more so the third. The Island's history is very interesting and I look forward to more of it. <p> Love reading Lost talkbacks probably the best ones on ain't it cool, whilst there is the occasional troll, the theories being proposed add something to the Lost experience. For me it reminds me a lot about how my friends and I talk about sporting teams.

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 10:17 a.m. CST

    time travel

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Think everyone acknowledges the challenges involved in time travel in fiction. Saying this I think Lost is doing a great job in not making it overly complicated, whilst not making it too simplistic. <p> That said it's obviously going to be an issue for the less committed viewers, but at season 5 of this series cant imagine that there would be too many of them left. <p>

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Cheif Brody & BigE

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    Cheif Brody - I had thought the same thing about John not giving Richard the compass, but watching Jughead again I noticed that while they are talking in the tent Richard does in fact have the compass in his hand and is examining it. so Locke did give it to him. <br> <br> BigE - First of all Im sorry about the spoiler I got excited and wanted to contribute to the conversation. But I do have to say that we had about 3 or 4 people in the season 4 Talkback that didn't want to be spoiled so they didn't comeback & contribute at all even though we did our best at keeping it spoiler free and Im a little sore about that. That was part of the reason why the season 4 finale talkback didn't hit the 10,000,000 post or whatever like the season 3 talkback did. Or more importantly why it was just me, CB & NP in there and dying. But thats in the past and Im putting it behind me. <br> <br>I just checked Lostipedia and it does indeed say that the woman was a caretaker, I thought that I remember watchiong the enhanced version of confirmed dead and and it said that she was his wife. I guess that I remembered wrong.<br> <br> As for the Troll thatnk you for the kind words and I know that his word reflect more on him then on me. Having said that though I've been through Art School and am used to rough and sometimes mean critiques and know myself that I can always improve, so onward & upward.

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 12:03 p.m. CST

    vmj19

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    I don't want to spoil it here, but if your into spoilers theres one on Charlotte that suggests that it might be a little more complicated. http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/2009/01/various-spoilers_30.html

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    sins of the father/mother

    by necgray

    With regard to the kids, I'm feeling like maybe there's a theme of repeated history. If Jack raised Aaron, it would be like Jack's own youth: an alcohol and/or pill-addicted surgeon father. Sun is now a powerful and wealthy businesswoman of questionable ethical standing, like her father. Is that going to affect how she parents Ji Yeon? I'm not sure how Des and Charlie work in this scenario other than maybe Charlie growing up a traveler like his dad (born and raised on a boat). Just something I was mulling...

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Next Week's Episode

    by arzt go boom

    this is a repost from yesterday, but it didn't get any response, so i wanted to throw it back out there. I haven't seen anyone else mention this, but in the teaser for next week's ep, we see a big column of light shining straight up in the jungle. i think it is a fair deduction that this is the light shining up through the swan hatch window, as we saw in season one. agree? plus we also see sawyer say that he saw kate. will we get to see our first episode hinting at the source of the whispers? what do you guys think will happen with this scenario?

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST

    artz go boom - I agree

    by theBigE

    Yeah - I think it could be light from the hatch too. I just saw it again. I was disappointed to see *****SPOILER!****** Charlotte walking around as well. Not that I'm sorry she's still living, it's just that we think she's about to die watching the show, and then - presto - we know she's ok next week.

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    pa

    by theBigE

    No worries - don't beat yourself up about spoilers - it happens, and you've done a great job keeping the lost room 23 blog spoiler safe with those buttons. I couldn't keep up with the Lost TB this past off-season for various reasons, and even though I didn't check in daily like last year, I still read pretty much every post on there eventually. So keep doing what you're doing!

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Stephen King influence... The Stand truly is one

    by turketron

    I'm late to that discussion, but the producers have said outright that The Stand was a huge influence on the show. Pretty sure Watchmen too... and King watches and loves Lost.<p><p>Don't ask me for sources, but I do remember reading these things. <p><p>BTW, yes Charlotte is hot. She can definitely get it...

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Theressa

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    When I was watching Jughead and thinking about my debunked Theressa theory the phase "Theressa goes up the stairs, Theressa goes down the stairs" got stuck in my mind. I was trying to figure out where I had hear of that and then remembered that Boone said it in season 1 in a vision of Lockes. Later when Locke asked Boone about it Boone said that his nanny or something had been killed by falling down some stairs or something. Probably no relation, but interesting none the less.

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Thanx Pa

    by Napoleon Park

    for including me as one of the folks who tried to keep the season ender talkback alive. Actually I kinda dropped out for most of the last month or so as the new season approached. And sayed out of The Room, even though the spoilers are behind the buttons. I can't resist reading spoilers, so if I want to avoid them, I have to stay away.<p>Now that season five's off to such a great start, though, now I want to know it all.<p>Funny thing how turning Lost into a time travel series sort of negates the flashback/Hoffsdrawler format. Does Lost even have a single "now" anchor point, or are all scenes simply set somewhere in time. Mostly in the past so far, but if they can go back to before Locke's birth, I suppose the hinted at future episode is just as possible. It will be interesting to see which characters they use and how their two decades older make-up turns out; prosthetic makeup has come a long way from the days of giving people gray hair by sprinkling baby powder on their heads.<p>While it never seemed likely that we'd hit ten million posts [lol] or tie the previous years epic talkback, don't forget the talkbackers who had all their posts banned. :)<P>And of course having Ed drop out for health reasons was a huge blow. :(<p>Glad you're still with us, Eddy - hang in there, baby. We know you need to see how the series turns out.

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 6:17 p.m. CST

    NP - why age them?

    by theBigE

    We've already got characters from different time periods interacting with each other. Faraday may be interacting with his future mother right now. Claire's son Aaron could be an adult and everyone else could be their current island age. <p> BTW, how's things in GR this winter, NP?

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 8:36 p.m. CST

    BigE, 4we8, NP

    by arzt go boom

    BigE- i hear you on the charlotte spoiler. 4we8- if you recall, i just checked lostpedia earlier today, that episode where boone says "theresa goes up the stairs, theresa goes down the stairs" was the same ep where locke bangs on the hatch out of frustration, and the column of light shines up through the window (which, as i said, shows up on the preview for next week) coincidence? NP- i feel like the anchor point of "now" is island time, but that's because that's always been the POV i've watched the show from. i think JWood on Powells framed it that way, that if you're watching the oceanic 6 show, off island is now, and you're flashing back to island. however, with the jumping timeline necessitating a more fluid and flexible approach, i guess you do need to look at all time as occurring at once, rather than linearly. just another beautiful thing about this show, the way the writers force you to think about things differently than you ever might on your own.

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 9:41 p.m. CST

    the season 4 talkback

    by lucid dreamstate

    was kind of nice because most of the trolls werent aware that it was going on without them. anyone that starts shit with 4we8 (aka pa) is a troll.

  • Jan. 31, 2009, 9:45 p.m. CST

    when charlotte finds the dharma

    by lucid dreamstate

    evidence in the desert is that a flashback or flashforward? charlotte is way hotter than juliette.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Why age them?

    by Napoleon Park

    Well, if you've been watching TV for a few decades you may have noticed that some people - whether they're naturally beautiful and healthy or if they have cosmetic surgery, never seem to change. But then there ae other people for whom 20 years is a real beat down with the ugly stick. Oddly enough, former child stars who are picked for elfin or gnome like cuteness often age into real trolls.<p>It would depend on the character, I suppose. Someone in their mid twenties would be in the mid forties, maybe only slightly thicker or grayer. Josh is 38 in real life according to his Playboy 20 Questions this month, though I think Sawyer is supposed to be younger. Look at Terry O'Quinn in The Stepfather, then now, then imagine him in 20 years. Of course "On island" characters from the shows "now" wouldn't be aged - I was thinking of, if any of them interacted with their or future selves.<p>This winter has been a real bitch here. Started early, no real that periods except for one freaky rainy Saturday almost 60, but generally lots of frigid days and below zero nights - it never got above freezing for most of January and when it did today, it was like 34. Coldest winter in 15 years, though not as horrifically snowy as the great blizzard of 78. Thanx for asking, it helps to vent a little. How are things where you are?

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Lucid... ranking

    by Napoleon Park

    Okay, you like redheads and rust. Charlotte over Juliet? matter of taste, I won't fight you on it. Juliet, Charlotte or Penny? Shannon, Claire or weirdly short Other-girl with rifle? And for the geezers: Faraday's Mom, Hurley's mom or Rose?

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Trolls

    by Napoleon Park

    This is AICN and pretty much any active talkback is going to get one - or a few. Still, that Rumple guy needs his skin stuffed with ground pork, basil and fennel seed, tied in a know and dropped in boiling water for about nine minutes.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 5:27 a.m. CST

    flashbacks/flashforwards

    by Maniaq

    gotta have em - story this complex.. can't tell it in your average linear fashion <p> I remember Tarantino once commenting on his non-linear style in Pulp Fiction - which was obviously (check the name) fashioned after the particular style of your dime-store paperback novel - he uses the example of someone telling you a joke or a story... they might jump around chronologically, go off on a tangent about some particular place or character, maybe start at the end, or whatever... it's almost NEVER told in a straight out linear way - because if they told you that same story in that linear way, they'd never get to the end because you'd have already walked away after losing interest! <p> I've never had a problem with the flashbacks or the flashforwards - shit always gets revealed at the right time for the STORY and has the right dramatic effect and provokes thought (and discussion!) and expands the story not-insignificantly (if you'll pardon my double-negative there) and that shit's just fine by me

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 6:29 a.m. CST

    NP think that is too kind to that particular troll

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 1:20 p.m. CST

    I forget who said it

    by rbrog77

    But I disagree with it being either the knife or the compass that belonged to Locke. I think Richard was hoping he'd pick the Book of Laws since any ruler would not only need to know the rules but also the punishment.

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Same here, NP

    by theBigE

    the weather's the same for me, NP! I'm only a couple hours north of you, and we've had all kinds of snow. <p> What I meant by the aging thing was that if the characters see their earlier selves, it's only been less than a year island time, and if they see their kids, well why can't the kids age off-island and grow to adult age? Faraday and what we think is his mom looked the same age!

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    talkback seems kinda slow this week, neh?

    by arzt go boom

  • Feb. 1, 2009, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Rbrog77 about the book of laws

    by gwarwilleatyou

    I agree and the episode "What Kate Did" has a very interesting conversation between Locke and Eko concerning the Book of Law as well as a "Temple." Sure Eko isn't talking about the same Book of Laws and Temple, but the parallels are intruiging

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 7:22 a.m. CST

    RE: Book of Laws

    by rbrog77

    Thanks gwarwilleatyou. I'll have to check that out.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Miyamoto: kindness to trolls

    by Napoleon Park

    substitute the ground pork with a live groundhog in that recipe, replace the fennel seed with diced habeneros and toss it on the grill. Oh, and then feed it to him.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    sorry about that

    by Napoleon Park

    but trollbashing is a grand old AICN tradition.<p>Wow, checked out the heroes talkback and it's pretty sad. A few folks will be gsticking with the show until they see what Fuller can do, but there aren't that many diehard fans left who really expect the show to ever get good again. Thinking back a few years to when talkbackers were seriously arguing that the lightweight superhero series was equal to Lost is kinda sad, really. And, hey, I was a Heroes fan too, but I never said it was as good as Lost.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Bunch of pricks in the BSG TB.

    by HoboCode

    Last time I go in there. Why do they feel the need to bash Lost because they had one good episode on Friday? Fuck'em. Anyway, Hobo has the Flu so he's out.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Lost sighting.

    by HoboCode

    Alan Dale (Widmore) on Flight of the Conchords last night. Good stuff.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Des memory

    by abetyler

    Can someone explains me why the remember of Faraday asking for help took three years to come in Desmond memory? I mean Daniel warned Des like right after the island started to move. Why Desmond didn't get the message at that time? it also means the losties spent three years moving in time, and are still moving because Des doesn't even found Daniel's mother yet;

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST

    What if: Charles, Ben the Island & birthrights

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    In the bible theres the story of Jacob & Esau (or however you spell his name) Where Esau had the birthright or choosen one because he was the oldest male in the household. Well Esau wasn't exactly living up to the expectations of that birthright and one day he came home hungery from hunting and Jacob was cooking. Jacob told him that he could have some if in exchange for his birthright, which Esau agreed. Much later when Esau realized what he had done he was angry and took his family and left Jacob for awile. If I remember correctly he might have even tried to kill him. What if Charles Widmore is loosely based on Esau and Jacob is Ben and the birthright is the island?

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Desmond

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    My guess is that when Faraday told Desmond to find his Mother and the island then flashed that Desmond had one of his flashes to his future self just long enough to plant that information in his head.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    okay but

    by abetyler

    I don't feel like it answer my question.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Desmond

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    His conscous waited until the best time for Desmond to do what was needed?

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 5:35 p.m. CST

    allright

    by abetyler

    interesting theoty

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST

    What goes on here?

    by Napoleon Park

    Herc's pick for one of the best Lost episodes ever falls off the front page and moved to the coaxial department after only five days but there are TWO Heroes talkbacks for the same episode up, for an episode he says sucks? I guess he thinks haters make for better talkbacks than fans of quality.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Or...

    by Cheif Brody

    Because Daniel & Co. are hopscotching through time on the island, but the present time (3 years later) remains 'constant'...So, even though Dan delivered his message to Desmond 3-4 years in the past, Des gets the message in the 'present'. God...I wish there were a clearer way of explaining it...But I think it goes back to time moving more slowly on the island than off. <p> Pa...I like where yer heads at on the whole Ben/Widmore 'birthright' angle...But I have a feeling it will boil down to baser instincts... <p> Revenge & Greed. <p> I think 'the incident' will be Widmore related...(young) Benjiman being the only 'witness' and tattle tale to Charle's Dharmite superiors. Ben dimes him out...Chuck gets booted off the island 'forever'...and he makes it his life's mission to reclaim it...even by becoming one of the most powerful & richest men in the world...and yet the island escape's his grasp.... <p> ...and Widmore is holding a lil grudge against Mr. Linus. <p> Or...ya wanna reverse it? Widmore finds out about Ben's plans for 'the purge'...but before he can stop Ben from completeing his mission...Chuck is foiled by (adult) Ben, and banished from the island. <p> Bottom line: Somebody fucked somebody over...and Widmore's on the outside looking in...with a vengence.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Nappy...I completely agree.

    by Cheif Brody

    There was absolutely NO REASON to add that second lame Heroes talkback. All Herc had to do was put a big red "UPDATED" on the last one...and just tacked on those two other crappy reviews. Completely unnecessary. <p> I don't think Herc should be starting talkbacks about ANY show unless he has been sent a screener...and VIEWED...the episode himself. Just copy & pasting OTHER people's work is weak, IMO. he's not even a super rabid fan of the show!! <p> I'd shit my pants if we got 2 LOST talkbacks in the same week!...and that turd fest gets two? Ridiculous.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Or (bis)

    by abetyler

    According to the point things can't be changed, everything is already written and stuff, we can assume Des couldn't be warn before for things wouldn't have happen like they had to, but it sounds a liitle too easy

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Nappy...Even MORE Maddening?

    by Cheif Brody

    NONE of the promos for Chuck that aired in the Super Bowl last nite made mention of tonight's GUEST STAR...nor did Herc... <p> Had my 3-D glasses here, so thought I'd give Chuck a look see...and there he is... <p> Charlie Pace...in living 3-D!! Well...Dominic Monaghan...playing...well...Charlie Pace...ON Chuck! <p> WTF, Herc? If ya wanted to include some info on Chuck in yer SECOND Heroes talkback...ya think Dom's appearance might have gotten a mention? Worthless. <p> And, abe...sometimes the 'easy' theories on LOST...turn out to be the most reliable. Your Des one sounds just as good as any to me.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST

    bentham

    by lucid dreamstate

    why is sayid so quick to refer to locke as "bentham" in the season opener (only to be corrected by hurley) ? have you guys already covered this question?

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 10:03 p.m. CST

    and yes,

    by lucid dreamstate

    i understand that locke's apparent alias is jeremy bentham. it just seems to me like sayid would have called locke by his familiar name. its almost like if he would have called jack by some other name. does my question make sense at all?

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST

    nap park

    by lucid dreamstate

    redhair and rust is nice. i am a big fan of that particular colorscheme. i notice that you didnt mention kate. she is hands down my favorite honey on the show. catherine is second but it is a distant second. you dont like kate do you?

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 10:10 p.m. CST

    charlotte

    by lucid dreamstate

    damn it, i meant charlotte. i typed catherine in my previous post. that must have been some kind of jungian error. crucify me at your convenience.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 10:11 p.m. CST

    i need to start proofreading this shit

    by lucid dreamstate

    before i post.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST

    lucid dreamstate

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    Maybe because Locke tried to prevent them from leaving the island? Maybe because of that Sayid hated Locke and decided that was a show of disrespect.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Or maybe

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    Sayid realized that Locke had been right about not leaving the island and didn't feel worthy of callinghim by his real name?

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Heres the Charlie/Chuck stuff

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 11:34 p.m. CST

    4we8 (pa)

    by lucid dreamstate

    i am unclear on why locke uses the moniker "jeremy bentham". maybe i missed something (that would be a cool name for a song) but didnt our losties always refer to john locke as nothing other than john locke? what caused the sudden shift to the name bentham? it almost seems like sayid is just casually accustomed to saying it like its no big deal. furthermore, how would he know that hurley would even have any idea who bentham was at all? it just seems strange to me. it's like if we wake up tomorrow and cnn is call obama "president marx" in a casual manner.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 11:35 p.m. CST

    calling

    by lucid dreamstate

    i meant to write calling not call in the prev. post. i really need to start proofreading this bile before i post it.

  • Feb. 2, 2009, 11:38 p.m. CST

    did bentham visit hurley?

    by lucid dreamstate

    he probably did. i am just too tired to remember if hugo mentioned that. my god, sayid has me saying bentham now. it's catching on fast.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Bentham...All part of "The Lie"...

    by Cheif Brody

    I think John got back to the states and started lookin up his fellow Losties...We haven't SEEN it yet...but...ya have to imagine it was Locke himself who INSISTED that he be addressed ONLY as "Jeremy Bentham", aka his new identity, as to keep 'off the grid' while stateside. John will probably be warned before leaving the island that if he gets exposed as "JOHN LOCKE from Flight 815"...that the entire 0-6's story goes into the shitter...and people would be looking for him to kill him. <p> I think Sayid will be hugely surprised by Locke's stateside visit...and as John explains why they have to go back...Sayid will keep calling him "John"....and Locke will keep correcting him..."John Locke is DEAD, Sayid...My name is Jeremy Bentham"...so...Sayid is just in keeping with Locke's wishes... <p> Don't get me wrong...I see yer point...in that setting...where they are already discussing their big "lie"...why bother with symantics at that point? Sayid couldn't have been worried that their conversation was being 'recorded'...out on a sailboat in the middle of the ocean...But...ya have to think...WHY was that conversation on a boat in the middle of the ocean? Cuz they are worried about anyone overhearing them discussing the 'lie'. I think Sayid was merely still in 'undercover mode' when he made that statement. <p> Or...it was the writer's lazy way of throwing off the spoiled "BIG SURPRISE" that was suppose to be Locke's new surname, that was transcribed by a prop guy who handled the actual obit notice for all the internets to see. No one was suppose to be able to actually READ that name off that obit....Even on an HDTV monitor...key letters of the name were completely obscured...it wasn't until a guy on the LOST set transcribed the entire obit over at TheTailSection.com, that we learned the person's NAME inside the coffin...even before we knew who it was IN the coffin. <p> I think John's alias, Bentham, was suppose to pay off in another reveal this season...but the spoiler dude...well...spoiled it. So, the writer's just said..."Fuck it...Cat's already outta the bag...Let's just have Sayid confirm John's new name in a lame throw away line on the boat". <p> I'm leaning towards THAT explanation. But you can imagine the fun the writer's COULD have had with that name...Jack calling Hurley..."I just got paid a visit by Jeremy Bentham"....and Hurley lookin scared...replying..."Yeah...I saw him today, too, dude! Weird!"...and we would all be in the dark as to who the fuck they were talking about...until Sun's secretary says via speaker phone..."Mrs. Kwon...there's a Jeremy Bentham here to see you?"...and the door opens...and John is standing there...with a smile..."Hello, Sun". <p> [POOM]

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Lucid: no, I don't.

    by Napoleon Park

    Whenever a preview or article would predict someone on Lost would die, I have always been on the Kill Kate bandwagon - partly because it's so unlikely that they ever will. Partly because of the way she plays Jack and James against each other. And partly because that diagonal dent in Evangeline's chin just drives me nuts.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Charlie/Chuck Stuff....

    by Cheif Brody

    Nice stuff, Pa...albeit a lil 'after the fact'...Instead of a SECOND Heroes TB...Herc should have copied and pasted THAT and made it a "Chuck" TB...and maybe added the two more lame reviews for "Heroes" after that. <p> I realize NBC was trumpeting the whole 3-D angle of tonite's Chuck..but you would think they'd throw in at least ONE SHOT of Dominic in the promo during the Super Bowl. But with jerome Bettis as the OTHER guest star, I guess he trumped lil Dom for the football crowd. I had no idea he was gonna be on....in such a huge part...basically playing a glam version of Charlie! Toss LOST out...you would think Herc would have mentioned Dom for the LOTR geeks! <p> BTW, Pa...How's that Room 23 overhaul comin? I gotta tell ya...that page is startin to load slower than our ORIGINAL Room 23 TB page when we got close to 10k posts! I think it's all those polls running up the right side that take so long for my old PC to load! Lol!! <p> BTW...I stuck around for about 5 minutes of Heroes tonite...and yes...it still continues to suck. And when a mystical "Eko" type super guy showed up (complete with Jesus Stick...I shit you not!!!) wearing a Universal Studios T-Shirt (yeah synergy!!!), I had to shut it off. It would be like Sawyer needing a shirt on LOST...and someone tossing him a Disneyland Tee....and maybe some mouse ears. Pffft. <p> When Heroes finally gets shit canned...the writers should move over to "Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader"...they'll be writing to their competence level over there.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Nappy...Kill Kate?

    by Cheif Brody

    One man's 'diagonal dent'...is another guy's 'irresistable imperfection'. "Kate", as a character, may be an ass at times...but there's nuthin wrong with Evangeline Lilly's mug in my book. <p> So...speaking of love triangles and killin Kate...I wouldn't count that out. Try this one on for size. <p> How many times has Jack said..."Wait here, Kate...I'll be right back!"...and dumb ass Kate does exactly the opposite and gets captured or messes up the plan? A dozen times? OK...I think it will happen again...possibly in the next to last episode. Kate will get herself in a jam, trying to be the "hero"...and gets herself killed. Boom. One pole of the tent collapsed...But now... <p> Jack & Sawyer are united...to kill the fuckin shit out of the muthaf'er that did her in. They kill the bad guy...with great vengence and furious anger. Jack winds up with Juliette...and Sawyer ends up with...Cassidy and his daughter. Or...Jack ends up with Sawyer. <p> Nah. Darlton doesn't have the balls to kill Kate. <p> Or DO they?

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 6:50 a.m. CST

    The Island Vanishes

    by Papa Lazaru

    Don't know if this has been mentioned before, but when Ben turned the Donkey Wheel and started the Island / losties skipping through time . Why did the island appear to vanish . Surely , geographically speaking the island would always be in the same place , for millions if not billions of years. So did the island actually move to another place or did the Losties just start jumping around in time . Here is what I think . The island is destroyed ( in the present ) . It was destroyed when the hatch blew up . The numbers were being pressed to keep Jughead from exploding , when the hatch blew , the bomb blew . Completely wiping the island of the face of the earth , but as it blew it released the natural time skipping abilities of the island and sent everybody to another time . Therefore when the donkey wheel was turned . The island vanished because in the present it no longer exists. No doubt somebody more intelligent and observant will blow this theory out of the water in seconds , but I'm open to that . Just wanted some opinions .

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 7:35 a.m. CST

    A few extra thoughts

    by rbrog77

    This Bentham/Locke thing is a bit curious, but I don't think it's an "undercover" thing with Sayid or the rest of the O6. Richard said John had to die, but no one believes that's the end of it, do we? So how do you die but continue to live on (other than in the obvious religious manner)?<P> Cloning?<P> We seem to forget the bunnies. So what if Bentham is not Locke, but is instead a clone or some nature. Certainly a civilation where major time shifts are possible would also have the technology to clone. It's just a guess, though.<P> Speaking of time shifting, I've been thinking about stability. We know of the wild time shifts the people on the island and probably the island itself are experiencing now. And we are starting to believe Widmore had to turn the donkey wheel way back when. But if you remember from Faraday's beacon experiment last year time was off by some 30+ minutes.<P> We speculated at the time about that signifigance, but what if the island was not constantly off by some 30+ minutes, but was settling into a specific time. That would possibly mean if Faraday had done his experiment say 10 minutes later the time it took the beacon to get there would not be 30 some minutes, but maybe 5 minutes or several hours because the island is/was shifting, but it was also settling. That's why it's easier to find when the freighties did than it would be after the turning of the wheel. That would also make it easier to find the further you get away from the time the wheel was turned because it tries to settle.<P> Honestly, I don't know, but I was thinking about it and wanted to throw it out there. Thoughts are welcome, of course.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Big Question About Jeremy Bentham

    by mordiceius

    Okay, so we know Locke goes off the island in a coming episode. The big question is... when Locke leaves the island is he able to walk or wheelchair bound again?

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 7:41 a.m. CST

    RE: The Island Vanishes

    by rbrog77

    It's an interesting theory Papa Lazaru, but it seemed in The Lie that Ms Hawkins had pinpointed the island in a different location than where we knew it to be previously. And since the O6 made it back alive to the real world way after the hatch blew, I'd think that would put a kink in that theory.<P> But I could be and have been proven wrong before.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 7:55 a.m. CST

    rborg77

    by Papa Lazaru

    Good point. So it seems the island can actually move both in position and time ?! A tricked out DeLorean would make more sense .

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Thank God there's no DeLoreans!

    by Cheif Brody

    So happy Darlton chose NOT to allow the Losties to control WHEN & WHERE the island will skip to next...."Marty! Set the time circuits to exactly the point that Ben got snared in Rousseau's net! Then we can just chop his head off right there and be done with it! No Henry Gale nonsense! No Ana & Libby getting shot! No hatch implosion!!" <p> Then Sayid chiming in..."Can we go back to the point right before Ana shot Shannon? I'm just sayin...I miss tappin that whiny girl's ass!"... <p> Ugh...Soooooooooo glad they can't control it. No time circuits...just a flux capacitor! Perfect. LOST would be an unwatchable mess if they could change past outcomes to suit their needs every week.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Chief

    by Papa Lazaru

    Calm down mate .The DeLorean thing was an off the cuff remark. I dont want anybody messing with the laws and rules of the show . I love the way its playing out .

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST

    No worries, Papa Laz...

    by Cheif Brody

    I'm happy it's playing out the way it is now, too...That's why I said I'm happy Darlton & Co were SMART enough to CREATE those laws & rules to refute the possibility of being able to control when/where they land exactly in time. Takes their ability to meddle right out of it. Not a knock on you at all...But people round these parts know my distaste for flyin DeLoreans in my LOST! Lol!! <p> By the way, Lostboytexass...Just watched that trailer you posted above...OMFG! I hope JJ, Darlton and Disney all team up to sue those paint happy bastards and hang 'em up by their Buster Browns! What a complete RIP OFF of LOST!! No wonder they RENAMED it "Dark Island"!! Let'sw put a team of people on a remote island and have the island start doing strange things due to scientific dabbling...oh...and there's a monster made of smoke that's killing them. <p> God, I hope that piece of shit doesn't see the light of day.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Papa Lazaru

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    Don't worry about it. DeLorean just one of Cheifs buttons. Its actually kind of fun pushing it from time to time.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Room 23 Blog

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    As for Room 23 I never have any problem with getting it to load. In fact if truth be told theres actually way less stuff in the sidebar area then before. As for the changes if someone were to "go back about 2 weeks anjd looked up a guess that Chief made they would probably be dead on as to what Im up to. Im just waiting for Anna's schedule to clear up since paid freelance work understandably takes presidence over Room 23.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    I am the confoosed one, Darth...

    by Cheif Brody

    I thought the Bentham line was on the boat...my bad...But it makes more sense for Sayid to use "Bentham" in the institution...as no one can be trusted there...and keeping "Locke's name" out of ANY conversation is important in keeping "The Lie" safe. If ANYONE put two & two together...the 0-6's story folds like a rusty lawn chair.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Ah yes, indeed

    by D.Vader

    Good. It made sense, but when you started talking about them doing it on a boat where no one could hear, I was afraid you were putting forth some future spoilers or something.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 4 p.m. CST

    thanks cheif b.

    by lucid dreamstate

    i am glad that you were able to boil down what i was saying about the bentham comment. i was actually able to convey my point in a succint manner; that is truly amazing. usually when i ask a question i end up getting bogged down trying to explain what is puzzling me. i just thought it was strange that sayid just casually mentioned lockes name as bentham. the way he said it was almost like he didnt even care if hugo even heard what the fuck he said. thats how casual it sounded to me. also, my memory is probably shot to hell but didnt sayids comment happen at hurley's mansion and not at the institution? i need to watch the episode again.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST

    maybe sayid

    by lucid dreamstate

    casually called locke bentham because sayid's mind has been altered in some way since he left the island. maybe ben has been tinkering with sayid's thought processes through the use of mind alteration i.e. room 23. maybe sayid has experienced some of the same things that carl did. im probably way off the mark.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Jacob and Esau thing - pa

    by theBigE

    I've been wondering if they would introduce a "Jacob and Esau" struggle on Lost sometime. Ben and Widmore. I doubt they're related. <p> And whoever was mentioning cloned rabbits on the island, remember, we don't know they were cloned - I thought they were time traveling bunnies instead.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Cheif - they'll never Kill Kate

    by Napoleon Park

    Like it or not, she's one of the shows main characters right from episode one.<p>But as for the immortality of the shows romantic... Um, what is it now? It was a classic triangle with Jack Kate and Sawyer, then Ana Lucia was supposed to make it a quadrangle, so then Juliet makes it a what, a pentagon, a pentagram? Quintalateral? Anyway, I mentioned this before and nobody picked up on it or took it seriously. Doesn't anyone else worry that once he borrowed that rust colored shirt from the late Neil Frogurt, James "Sawyer" Ford is now one of the redshirts?<p>Need more totally trivial and unconvincing proof: Denise Crosby posed for Playboy and they killed off Tasha Yar (on Star Trek the Next Generation, if anyone here didn't know that.) Well, this month Josh Halloway did the Playboy 20 Questions. I'm telling ya, Sawyers' a redshirt now.<p>By the way, the big interview was with Hugh "House, MD" Laurie. Very funny guy.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Benthams name

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    Actually I believe that the Bentham conversation happened in the Premiere when Sayid & Hurley were making their way along the hotel (safehouse) walkway at the time that Sayid told Hurley to not trust Ben no matter what. It was probably said also at the institution. But the time that Sayid said Bentham in an angry tone was at the safe house right before the dishwasher impalement. But I'll bet that Lostpedia would say who is correct.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Kate

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    Yeah, Darlton said that it would not be resolved until the final episode of the series.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 7:32 p.m. CST

    What is not to be resolved until final ep?

    by abetyler

    I lost the track 4we8, can you bring me back on it?

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Rewatched Jughead today

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Yeah, still hate Juliet. Charlotte is much prettier. I still don't see the love for Kate.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 7:42 p.m. CST

    yar found out about data's full functionality

    by lucid dreamstate

    my theory is that sawyer will be the last man standing. it's just a hunch and i am probably way off base here considering that a shot of sawyer in bentham's casket was filmed just in case the season 4 finale secret was leaked. sorry guys, but for me it just doesn't get much hotter than kate. i could watch her eat fish biscuits all day long.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Abe...4we8 was saying...

    by Cheif Brody

    That that Kate's final decision, Jack or Sawyer, won't be decided until the last episode. <p> So they SAY! I dunno Nappy...I wouldn't put it past 'ol Darlton to kill off one of the big three...as long as they go out heroically...sacrificing themselves to save others...I think they would have faith the audience wouldn't revolt and burn Bad Robot to the ground. Just sayin...there are a LOT of 1st season players still drawing a breathe on the show...and I don't think for a second that ANY of them are "safe"...cuz that's just NOT how LOST rolls. <p> Lucid...I'm with you...Not saying Evangeline's the 'prettiest' or 'sexiest' chick on LOST...they are ALL beautiful...and I certainly wouldn't mind gettin 'stuck in a net' with Kate ANY day.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 9:39 p.m. CST

    NP for Josh Halloway lets wait till ...

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    he gets done for DUI, before getting too worried about Sawyer's character survivng. <p>

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    You can have your Kate - I'll take Sun

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Love my Asian girls, Koreans rank number 2 for me after Japanese (married to a Japanese girl). <p> But of course I wouldn't kick Kate out of bed either.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 9:47 p.m. CST

    How many Flight 815 survivors are left ?

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Sorry might have been mentioned before, is there a website that tracks how many 815 survivors are left on the Island, given the recent slaughter can't imagine too many.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Lost Women

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    I like Claire best and then Juliet and then Libby. Never really got into Kate, but don't mind her. I hated Charlotte last season, but she's growning on me, shes nicer. Although we all know what happens when a character gets more likeable, they get shot I.E. Shannon & Ana Lucia.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Walt ?

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Is the Walt storyline finished ? <p> Had such an intersting background about how he was special and am keen to know if that was going anywhere ? <p> Was also wondering if Widmore etc were tracking him, wishing to use him, as another survivor of Flight 815 who is off the island.

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Sneak Peak of Little Prince

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    Be warned, scenes of episodes advoid them if you don't want to be spoiled, but don't advoid the blog. http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/

  • Feb. 3, 2009, 11:34 p.m. CST

    I don't think Walt's story is done yet, Miyamoto.

    by Cheif Brody

    Because MDK is soooo very grown up now...the kid is well thru puberty...and was already almost 12 while playing a 9 year old in the pilot episode...Walt's story can ONLY be told from the future...even if he steps foot back on the island...(as he did to warn Locke in the Dharma grave that he "still has work to do")...We will only see Walt in 2007/2008 'present day' episodes...or while he's freaky astral projecting his ass back to the island. <p> I could see an episode where Widmore seeks out Walt and convinces him that his father is alive and well back on the island...but he needs Walt's help in getting back to the island to rescue him. And Walt will dutifully lead Charles back to the island he craves so much. <p> I just hope Ghost Dad Michael is there to fuck with Widmore's mind for deceivng his boy to make it back there. <p> But I wouldn't expect to see MDK/Walt until the very last eppy of this season [very POOM worthy]...or early next. <p> Afterall...Walt has to go back for Vincent...right?

  • Feb. 4, 2009, 1:15 a.m. CST

    cheif- i'm loving every one of your theories

    by arzt go boom

    i absolutely love the idea of kate finally getting really fucked over by being too bullheaded and fucking up a plan by getting caught, causing jack and sawyer to team up. i'd love to see sawyer be the last one standing (at least among the triangle). i think he and locke are the craftiest (not necessarily the most perfect) OG 815ers. however, i don't think anyone's life is safe on this show ultimately. with these writers, i can't see there being any character that fits into the typical safe role that you know no matter what happens they are going to make it out safely and happily. finally, i love the walt theory. i agree that bringing walt in from the future is the only way they could have utilized him. considering they knew he would be hitting puberty soon as a big 12 year old while filming season 1, this is a pretty good indication that from early on, the writers knew they would be telling a time travelling story where walt would figure in from a future date. they knew he couldn't stay looking the same age over a short period of island time. i love the idea of widmore trying to use him to get back to the island to find his father. you know walt wants to go back to the island. last, as far as lost girls go, i gotta rank it shannon (though she's too fucking whiny), kate (the perfect bad girl next door), juliet (although i don't trust her in the least and have never been too fond of her character, her tits are just too nice), claire (cute with the accent, but always has been annoying), ellie (saucy), old ellie hawking (trip the time fantastic), libby (cute, crazy?, mysterious?, chubby chaser!), mrs. klugh (knows russian, could tell me others secrets), rose (faithful, smart-ass), anaL (bitch), charlotte (eric stoltz mask face). ahh, i'm done. that was fun

  • Feb. 4, 2009, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Thanks, arzt...

    by Cheif Brody

    Well....there IS one character that Darlton has GUARANTEED will make it out alive in the end...and her name happens to be Vincent. <p> But that's the ONLY one. Which makes me even MORE confident that Walt will be back to retreive his faithful companion. They both deserve a happy ending! <p> I'll add to your highly observant synopsis of the female cast members...Rousseau (DOFMILF-Dirty Old French Mom I'd Like To Frak)...Alex (Jail Bait)...Nikki (AAILRD-Annoying Actress I'd Like To Razzle Dazzle)...Cindy (Mile High Club Card Holder)...Penny (Style Points For the Fastest, Cleanest Birth Giver. Ever.)...Goodwin's Wife ("Psycho" Analyst...Uh...why was Goodwin cheating on her again? Oh, Juliet's cans. Right.)...Michael's Wife/Walt's Mom (She should be on the island...cuz she gives me jungle fever)...and finally...Four Toed Statue Girl...(What can I say? I have a foot fetish). <p> Love to see Barfy & Red Fish weigh in on the LOST 'boys' on the show. Where are our girls at?

  • Feb. 4, 2009, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Cloning and time travel

    by rbrog77

    From Newsweek - scientists have transferred DNA from an adult human cell into a human egg, and made the egg to “reprogram” the donor DNA back to its embryonic state, producing a pattern of gene activation like that in normal IVF embryos--and therefore, it seems, the pattern necessary to create an embryo.<P> What this means, in a nutshell, is that if the study holds up, it will look increasingly likely that there are no known technical obstacles to reproductive cloning, the creation of human clones not for stem cells (in which case the clone never gets further than a days-old ball of cells) but for babies.<P> The reason I post this goes to my post above reminding us of the bunnies and cloning. My point was not so much that they've said there is cloning on the island. They haven't...as far as I remember. It's more to the point that a society technologically advanced enough to do time travel would certainly have cloning abilities.<P> We may now have or may soon have the ability to clone humans, scary or not as that may be to you. But time travel? We're nowhere close - as far as anyone knows. <P> So whereas cloning may have never been mentioned on this show, it has been hinted at in the Dharma off-season video releases. I don't think we can rule it out as a reason for what could be a clone of Locke being called Bentham in LOST present day.

  • Feb. 4, 2009, 7:53 a.m. CST

    bentham's story

    by lucid dreamstate

    i sincerely hope that the bentham questions are answered in at least some way this season. elijah wood is famous for life just from his stint as frodo. he could go into seclusion for 25 years and become a recluse and he would still be famous. im watching him right now in some movie on hbo called everything is illuminated. much like mark hamil's circumstance, he is set for life from t.l.o.t.r.

  • Feb. 4, 2009, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Woundn't it be awsome if

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    all this time Darlton had been secretly filming Walt scenes that would coinside with & explain a lot about his appearances and his powers?

  • Feb. 4, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Thought about that Walt scenario, too, Pa...

    by Cheif Brody

    I mean...if it is true that Darlton & Co had this thing figured out from the very beginning...Could they have shot scenes of 12 year old MDK for use in these final episodes? Even perhaps a scene where 2008 Walt encounters 2004 Walt? That would be genius if they thought that far ahead. <p> As for rb's cloning theories...I have two words for ya...George Lucas. Had Georgey just let go of that one lil 'throw away' line from Episode IV....I think we could have had 3 much better prequels. Clone stories really bore the fuck outta me. I got enough problems keepin track of all the characters on LOST as it is...I don't need them to add any more dopplegangers. "Hmmmm...I wonder what Locke 3 and Hurley 5 are doing now? Kate 3 looks way hotter than Kate 1"....Ugh. <p> Sorry, rb...I just don't think there's enough time left in the series to introduce a second left field sci-fi cliche. I'm good with the time travel for now...let's not push it. <p> Where the hell is our NEW LOST talkback? I remember in previous seasons, it was up by 10am ET...now it's more like 3pm. Maybe Herc will just put up a 3rd Heroes TB instead.

  • Feb. 4, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Actually

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    the Star Wars Prequels didn't suffer from the clone wars, it suffered from chessy writing and bad directing. If Lucas would have stayed true to the heart of his series and then gotten someone else to direct they would have turned out a lot better. Well gotten an Anakin that could actually act. Just like I have faith that if Darlto were to introduce clone they would do it right. It would be awsome if they used clones like that Hugh Jackman/Christian Bale Dueling Magicians movie. (Spoiler) Tesla invented a machiene that would teliport Hugh's character to another place and make a copy of him at the same time and Bale's character had a twin and you didn't know about ether un til the end.

  • Feb. 4, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Herc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by abetyler

    Where the fuck is the talkback for today lost new EP. Don't you dare make a third TB for the shit that is heroes, trouducul!

  • Feb. 4, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Darlton say

    by Napoleon Park

    in this weeks "Getting Lost" podcast - that the woman in the coma isn't important and isn't someone we'll see much of or have a flashback to. Does that count as a negative spoiler?<p>They also say, in response to the question "Is Ellie the young Danielle-ie?" - "Hmm, interesting..."

  • Feb. 4, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Herc's just one of us.

    by Napoleon Park

    AICN is a nerd geek fanboy site and Herc's just one of us and he gets s lot of abuse for posting talkbacks for shows he likes (SNL), mentioning things he likes (Buffy, Whedon), and pointedly ignoring or caustically commenting negatively on shows he doesn't care for (Supernatural, Chuck).<p.We should cut the guy some slack instead of expecting him to perform like a trained monkey, put the TB up at the same time every week and lap up our abuse for every little thing he says that we disagree with. I mean, yeah, I didn't really see an A to C difference in the first two episodes or think last week was the best episode... EVER!! - but the guys entitled to express an opinion just like the rest of us.<p>That said, where's the Fringe talkback and where's the new LOST talkback?<p>Oh, and "Chuck is great, stop the hate."

  • Feb. 4, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Herc's just one of us. pt. 2

    by Napoleon Park

    We should cut him some slack and not expect him to post a TB at an exact time every week like some trained monkeyboy. He's just one of us and deserves the right to express his opinions. yeah, I didn;t see an A to C difference in the first two episodes or think last week's was the best episode... EVER! - but what the heck, he can have an opinion without us getting all up in his case and junk, right?<p>Now where was this weeks Fringe TB and where's the new Lost talkback?<p.Oh, and "Chuck's Great, Stop the hate."

  • Feb. 4, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Herc's just one of us. pt. 3

    by Napoleon Park

    I mean, this isn't easy. I moderate Yahoo!'s Jump the Shark group, so I know. It's hard to generate discussion and keep people's interest. All you can do is express your honest opinion and talk about things that interest you, otherwise it comes off fake. Herc's trying to be friendly - he figures if the majority of talkbackers have turned on heroes, he'll hate on it too. Or he'll try to get a new "fake movie title" thread started or something. It's hard to find the balance where it doesn't seem like pandering to the kids, and it's not always easy.<p>I enjoy the AICN talkback forums because they give me new insights on the shows I enjoy - but I don't really need them to tell me whether I liked - or should like - something I just watched.<p>I'm sure he'll have a new Lost talkback up between now and 8:00 pm, and if not, maybe he's sick or something. Or just sick of being insulted and criticized for doing what should be a fun hobby as well as a job for him.<p>Meanwhile, do the majority of AICN talkbackers really find it that confusing to click on "coaxial" and then scroll down to the previous TB?<p>Oh yeah, and "Chuck is great, stop the hate."

  • Feb. 4, 2009, 3:07 p.m. CST

    new talkback

    by lucid dreamstate

    it wouldnt bother me at if this weeks lost tb doesnt even show up until after the ep airs tonight. i hate to read spoilers so i usually avoid reading the synopsis before i watch the latest ep. if i read the breakdown of the ep beforehand, i usually find myself looking for things that i know are going to happen. i can understand why agatha seemed so tortured in minority report; her head was full of spoilers.