Jan. 24, 2009, 5:47 a.m. CST
First. There. I said it.
Jan. 24, 2009, 5:49 a.m. CST
Could they milk this thing anymore? Is George Lucas the executive producer or something?
Jan. 24, 2009, 5:56 a.m. CST
want those on my wall
Jan. 24, 2009, 5:57 a.m. CST
They wouldn't be putting so much effort to promote this thing if it wasn't at least a pretty good movie. Hopefully, a great one.<p> Fingers crossed.
Jan. 24, 2009, 6:16 a.m. CST
Don't really like the art in the comics or mainstream comics in general. I like the Indy stuff in B&W ink that is an artists own style.
Jan. 24, 2009, 6:24 a.m. CST
You said it. The same words you said as a child after you sucked off the family dog for the first time, starting a long chain of events where you lost all self-control and self-worth. Congrats, you've accomplished all you've set out to do in life. Now go eat another dick.
Jan. 24, 2009, 6:25 a.m. CST
...20 years on.<p> yeah, i know he's a professional but most artists' style would change over that period.
Jan. 24, 2009, 6:26 a.m. CST
Seriously though. Pretty cool.
Jan. 24, 2009, 6:27 a.m. CST
There, I've said it. I'm dissing the legend. How dare I. But let's be honest - Moore was a fantastic writer in the 80's and 90's, but lately he's become a grouchy old fucker with a major chip on his shoulder. Surely he should be embracing the interest (and money) that the movie version of 'Watchmen' is generating? Ok, so it's not a panel-by-panel shoot of his magnum opus, but Lord knows, it's fucking light years better than his current drivel.<p>Has anyone read 'Lost Girls'? Shabby, uninteresting comic-book porn for boring old pseuds who've never read Playboy and think 'Flesh Gordon' was being ironic. Grow up, Alan. Get a fucking haircut and take your head out of your arse.<p>By the way - nice pics, Dave!
Jan. 24, 2009, 6:35 a.m. CST
After the pictures of Stallone's old-man muscles, Harry's "I'm on Facebook!" statements and an ode to Obama, I was beginning to worry.<p>This IS cool. I love Gibbons' art and one of these is about to become my new desktop wallpaper!
Jan. 24, 2009, 6:42 a.m. CST
That's just beautiful. Must have.
Jan. 24, 2009, 7:04 a.m. CST
Jan. 24, 2009, 7:20 a.m. CST
But Spawn did. Dammit. Quick! Forget you know what "Filthy Assistants" means!! Don't bastardize the Bastard too!! In conclusion Dave Gibbons will soon have more money than God's Mom.
Jan. 24, 2009, 7:32 a.m. CST
Jan. 24, 2009, 7:46 a.m. CST
I agree with you... but Harry will balance things out with the latest ShitGirl vid. *sighs*
Jan. 24, 2009, 8:16 a.m. CST
by TiNSeLToWN TeRRoR
Here is the soundtrack for the movie. The score i did NOT post. For spoiler reasons. But you can find it easy. Am i the only one who is disappointed in this soundtrack? The score is most important but this soundtrack to me is very underwhelming. Does it fit the movie??? Lots of "classics"...... Music From The Motion Picture Watchmen track-listing is as follows: Desolation Row - My Chemical Romance... Unforgettable - Nat King Cole... The Times They Are A-Changin' - Bob Dylan... The Sound Of Silence - Simon & Garfunkel... Me & Bobby McGee - Janis Joplin... I'm Your Boogie Man - KC & The Sunshine Band... You're My Thrill - Billie Holiday... Pruit Igoe & Prophecies - The Philip Glass Ensemble... Hallelujah - Leonard Cohen... All Along The Watchtower - Jimi Hendrix... Ride of the Valkyries - Budapest Symphony Orchestra... Pirate Jenny - Nina Simone* *used in the end credits of the "Tales From The Black Freighter" DVD.
Jan. 24, 2009, 8:35 a.m. CST
by alice 13
they all do it.
Jan. 24, 2009, 8:40 a.m. CST
by Kevin Holsinger
...I'm FINALLY starting to think Matthew Goode as Ozymandias isn't the disaster I'd previously imagined.<BR><BR>I'd still like to have seen Jude Law in the role, but he's too large an actor for the way they wanted to cast this movie.
Jan. 24, 2009, 8:45 a.m. CST
..Moore has outlived his usefulness ... his recent writing is pretty much crap, and yes, even Watchmen falls apart at the end - yes - the squid is stupid -
Jan. 24, 2009, 9:07 a.m. CST
Jan. 24, 2009, 9:17 a.m. CST
by Kid Z
... the new art seems too clean and precise, somehow. Look at the original drawings, there was a slight roughness and edginess that reflected the milieu of the story. It's missing in these new illos. Still, technically nice drawings, however.
Jan. 24, 2009, 9:20 a.m. CST
by wampa 1
...but it sure smells good!
Jan. 24, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST
I especially love the second, which really combines the (seemingly) disparate styles of Gibbons' and Snyder's. And I'm tickled that John Higgins is doing the coloring again... but in that case, how could he forget that Rorschach wore purple pinstripe pants? Without that little splash of comic-book color, he just looks too... drab and flat.
Jan. 24, 2009, 9:36 a.m. CST
by The Funketeer
I've been saying that on the talkbacks for the last couple of years. Mostly just because Herc annoys the crap out of me his ignorant ass only talks about Moore and Ellis when referencing comics. He's still a good writer but his current work pales in comparison to his 80s output. What really bugs me is that Miller gets all the criticism while Moore, who can't seem to create any new characters of his own, doesn't. I'd love to see JM Barrie come back from the dead and bitch about Lost Girls the way Moore bitches about people using his work for film.
Jan. 24, 2009, 9:38 a.m. CST
by The Funketeer
I'm glad to see Gibbons taking such an active role in creating and publicizing the movie. Hopefully people will finally realize that Moore is only PARTIALLY responsible for his greatest works and that they were all true collaborations. Gibbons deserves just as much credit for Watchmen as Moore does but fanboys like to drink the Kool-Aid when it comes to Moore's reputation.
Jan. 24, 2009, 9:39 a.m. CST
by The Funketeer
That artwork is pretty freakin' cool but then it's by Dave Gibbons so how could it not be?
Jan. 24, 2009, 9:46 a.m. CST
Jan. 24, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST
I doubt that Moore and Gibbons would pick themselves over Lee/Kirby.
Jan. 24, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST
and by Lee/Kirby, of course I meant Lee/Ditko.
Jan. 24, 2009, 10:14 a.m. CST
by Jackie Boy
Well, I want to borrow it from someone, at least.
Jan. 24, 2009, 10:24 a.m. CST
Jan. 24, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST
Funketeer - interesting point about Alan Moore never thought about it that way but yes JM Barrie has even more reason to be angry.
Jan. 24, 2009, 10:46 a.m. CST
but something was bothering me about Rorschach's shoes, and then i realized it's not teh ones he wears in the books with the 'lifts' to make him look taller. The newsvendor and kid look like they are based off the movie counterparts too, weird to see Rorschach out during the day.
Jan. 24, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST
Alan Moore has more integrity than any other comic writer, and 100X more principles and talent than you have, BiggusDickus. Suck on it.
Jan. 24, 2009, 11 a.m. CST
by Speed Fricassee
... the significance of the sub-story that kid is reading in his comic book, about that pirate dude? I'm not trying to be funny, I truly don't understand why it's in there.
Jan. 24, 2009, 11:04 a.m. CST
by The Reluctant Austinite
Very, very cool!
Jan. 24, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST
by Chesterfield Slacks
was annoying as hell! Story and layout-wise, it interrupted and killed the flow of the main dialog. While I enjoyed the main story, it made me loath the style of the book.
Jan. 24, 2009, 11:18 a.m. CST
by half vader
You mean that the other way around, of course. There's a cool website that shows Liefeld's most blatant rips. I wonder if he can draw feet yet...
Jan. 24, 2009, 11:34 a.m. CST
Oh, he said got MILK not got ILK. My bad. Nice art though. Isn't there supposed to be a squi... oh crap sorry I mentioned that.
Jan. 24, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST
to see the work of a mastercraftsman
Jan. 24, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST
seriously. check out that first drawing! Guess Drieberg wasn't the only one who let himself go a little.
Jan. 24, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST
He was scrawny in the book - way to fuck up your own source, Gibbons you jerk.
Jan. 24, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST
by Dr Eric Vornoff
That track-listing sounds pretty good to me, just wish they'd stuck with the original versions of Desolation Row and Watchtower (Hendrix's version is great but over-exposed but MCR covering Dylan is just wrong).
Jan. 24, 2009, 1:17 p.m. CST
by dr sauch
It's not the size of the squid, its what you do with it.
Jan. 24, 2009, 1:17 p.m. CST
The main thing is that it is about Ozymandias, since we never truly get inside his head and motivations. The other thing it's there for is simply because the Watchmen world already has superheroes, so would the citizens read superhero comix? No, they would read pirate comics instead. Finally, this is the weird one, the writer of the pirate story was also involved in building the squid-bomb. When it explodes, there's a psychic backlash of freaky shit that fucks up tons of people, and part of that psychic backlash are the stories of the "Tales of the Black Freighter" writer. So, reading all that fucked up pirate story shit kind of gives you an inkling into what happens when the squid lands in New York (yet ANOTHER reason why you can't cut the damn squid!) All that being said, is the pirate story well and truly a core piece of Watchmen? Eh, not really. I think it eats up a tad too much page count, but just enjoy it for what it is and leave it at that.
Jan. 24, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST
Jan. 24, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST
Jan. 24, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST
You appear to be confusing artistic integrity with Moore's almost pathological attachment to his own writing, which he will never allow to evolve in any way, shape or form that he himself did not pen at the precise moment he penned it.<p>Strong principles are all very well, but the true mark of an artist is the ability to continually evolve and adapt; therefore retaining the capability to constantly surprise and enthrall the reader/listener/viewer.<p>Sorry if you feel my opinion of Moore's ouvre in the last decade and a half constitutes 'trolling', but this is a forum for debate, is it not? Peace.<p>Biggus
Jan. 24, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST
by Flim Springfield
One member doesn't want to diminish the past with a money-grabbing nostalgia tour, the other member says "Screw integrity, I'm cashing in."
Jan. 24, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST
Rodriguez sucks, Frank Miller sucks, and now Alan Moore sucks, huh? What the fuck do you nerds like? And here's a non-sqequitor: Anyone that bashed the Spirit but liked Hellboy 2 can go straight to hell. Hellboy 2 was a pandering piece of shallow, boring, cutsie-pie bullshit.
Jan. 24, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST
Tell me, what are the sunsets like on your planet?
Jan. 24, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST
by Count Screwface
just question regarding site's name. Is it from John Travolt'a line, "Yeah, ain't it cool?" ? Thanks. Knibb High football rules.
Jan. 24, 2009, 4:43 p.m. CST
by Speed Fricassee
Thank you for the comments about the pirate story! I've read Watchmen several times, but never got the pirate symbolism. The last time I skipped all "pirate" related panels & pages, and Watchmen was a fine enough read, I felt like I had missed nothing. Perhaps I'll re-read it again with your words in mind. Thanks!
Jan. 24, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST
Yes I do dare. I've never been a fan of Gibbons' artwork. It's very flat and just kinda blah.
Jan. 24, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST
by lavatory love machine
Jan. 24, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST
How can you explain the significance of the Black Freigher comic and then turn around and say it's non-essential? Not only does it cover those metaphors you explained, but it provides panel-by-panel counterpoints to what's happening in the main action. If you understand and appreciate Watchmen, then you know Black Freighter is essential. I'm glad they're doing it for the dvd.
Jan. 24, 2009, 6:33 p.m. CST
by Lt. Kaffee
Yes, the site is named after the line from Broken Arrow.
Jan. 24, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST
Jan. 24, 2009, 10:21 p.m. CST
by Rubiks Doob
Jan. 24, 2009, 10:51 p.m. CST
by Monkey Butler
Looks pretty good, although I don't really understand how they're going to fit all the tracks into the film. What I don't like is that in the score listing says that the finale is set to an "excerpt from Mozart's Requiem". That just seems lazy to me.
Jan. 25, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST
by El Borak
essential. that's why you should read it multiple times. you get a better feel of the rhythm of the story.
Jan. 25, 2009, 2:50 a.m. CST
anyone else watching those watchmen motion comics? its a cool idea but the narrator doing the female voices is just creepy. especially when he is trying to sound "sassy". *shudder*
Jan. 25, 2009, 6:55 a.m. CST
Jan. 25, 2009, 6:56 a.m. CST
...was pretty good I thought. A nice deconstruction of our attitudes towards pornography and sexuality.
Jan. 25, 2009, 6:58 a.m. CST
... is the result of casting an actor who is fatter and much shorter than Rorschach in the comic. Asinine casting move, pun intended. That is all.
Jan. 25, 2009, 11:05 a.m. CST
...Ya got THAT right! As I've said here before, Alan Moore has integrity. He's bugfuck crazy from all the LSD, but he's a bugfuck with integrity. And the smartest man in the padded room.
Jan. 25, 2009, 11:07 a.m. CST
...checkin' out Rorschach's butt? <br /><br /> Just askin'.
Jan. 25, 2009, 4 p.m. CST
That more people are turning on this project by the day as evidenced by this talk back. Sad how now people have turned on Moore as a means to justify this movie and the radical departure it has made from the source material. The tragedy of what could have been. After the movie has been released, Snyder will be the new McG, as this movie will be the definition of what not to do with great source material.
Jan. 25, 2009, 6:28 p.m. CST
by half vader
...get them to look in his face/mask and tell you what they see!
Jan. 25, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST
It enhances the story and themes sure, but to say it is ESSENTIAL is by far exaggerating its importance. Its akin to those that think Tom Bombadil was ESSENTIAL to LOTR - if you can excise it and keep the main story and characters intact, it's not essential. The murder of the comedian is essential, John going to Mars is essential, Black Freighter is not. Having said that, I don't think it should have been ditched, but would have liked to have seen it as a movie-within-a movie, much as in the comic it's a comic-within-a-comic. You could have had short glimpses of the story on TVs in the background of scenes etc. to accomplish the same as it did in the comic without devoting lots of screentime to it...
Jan. 25, 2009, 11:01 p.m. CST
...I see a pretty butterfly.
Jan. 25, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST
...I don't believe that Moore has lost any talent. People think that, and then he starts creating great work again. He may be in a slight slump now, but all writers go through that. (Well, except for Neil Gaiman, but Gaiman is a writing god. Anyone who can get Harlan Ellison to call him cute has got to be talented.) <br /><br /> My gripe with Moore is the general paranoia that seems to come to the forefront when dealing with Hollywood. Sure, he's been screwed more times that Stephen King when it comes to translating his work, but you make the bastards pay for it through the nose and use the money in a way that strikes back. By now, Moore could have created his own comic book company, hired extremely talented people, and given DC and Marvel a run for their money, both in the comics and on the silver screen. <br /><br /> I used to know this guy who was a voice coach for Hanna-Barbera back in the 60's. Best advice he ever gave me: Screw integrity. Make your name and your money. Integrity will still be there when you're in a position to afford it.
Jan. 25, 2009, 11:11 p.m. CST
Jan. 25, 2009, 11:20 p.m. CST
by Flim Springfield
People seem to have a hard time imagining someone NOT wanting to sell out to Hollywood. For so many that's a dream, but Moore just wants to stay in Northampton, work on his art and not have to deal with all the soul-sucking crap that comes along with being a Hollywood money machine.<br> <br> And more power to him.
Jan. 25, 2009, 11:24 p.m. CST
... but I remember an interview with Moore, talking about what he'd like to see in a Watchmen movie. This was a looooong time ago. He made some mention of a CGI Doctor Manhatten "like a serious Max Headroom" as I recall. <br /><br /> I guess the integrity came later.
Jan. 25, 2009, 11:59 p.m. CST
by Flim Springfield
Moore naively put some faith in Sam Hamm and Fox and they delivered a terrible script, barely recognizable as his work.
Jan. 26, 2009, 10:26 a.m. CST
by Savage Lucy
...if I stopped reading comics in 1986.
Jan. 26, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST
Really nice, but just something off about it all - especially the image of Rorscharch just casually strolling in broad daylight. Makes no sense - and the "money shot" looks like a nice movie adaptation comic panel. Not having that opinionated hippie as the last part of the magic artistic triangle of Higgins/Gibbons shows...
Jan. 26, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST
So if I understand your argueent, Moore is a dunce because he has stayed away from this abortion of a film and refused to take a tyical Hollywood cash out, ala Gibbons. Instead he is content to produce new material and stay out of the Movie Studio BS everyone here and beyond condemns daily. On top of that, if he was intelligent he would be taking advice from a voice over artist whose greatest claim to fame is that of uttering the words of Droopy or Grape Ape?
Jan. 26, 2009, 7:38 p.m. CST
...no. <br /><br /> But the point is that Moore could have played the game a couple of times, then had the means to make Hollywood play by HIS rules. Insist on writing the screenplay, then show them how it's done.
Jan. 27, 2009, 8:17 p.m. CST
The story is the real character of Watchmen. Gibbons art is derivative at best, bits of Bolland, bits of Giordano, but nothing ground breaking. it is Moore's story that is the star.