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J.J. Abrams Co-Wrote Tuesday’s First New Episode Of FRINGE Since December 2!!
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When we last checked in with FBI special agent Olivia Dunham and her two Bishops, they were investigating a vet who got caught inside a vault wall while stealing Walter’s long-forgotten superscience secrets.
Tonight’s installment, co-scripted by co-creator J.J. Abrams, is titled “Bound.” Fox says:
After shifty FBI Agent Mitchel Loeb orchestrated David Robert Jones' otherworldly escape from a German prison and Olivia's alarming abduction, indications of a larger threat begin to emerge. Adding to the intense circumstances, one of Olivia's former adversaries is called in by Internal Affairs to conduct a formal review of the Fringe Division, and Olivia's sister, Rachel (guest star Ari Graynor), pays a visit. The timing couldn't be more inopportune, as Olivia, Walter and Peter race against time to solve the wildly grotesque murder of an esteemed epidemiologist - which may link to Olivia's own abduction - before a catastrophic epidemic is unleashed.
Guest Cast: Chance Kelly as Mitchel Loeb; Jared Harris as David Robert Jones; Michael Gaston as Sanford Harris; Ari Graynor as Rachel; Lily Pilyblad as Ella; Sara Wilson as Tara Coleman; Stephen Schnetzer as Professor Stewart Kinberg and Peter Jay Fernandez as Dr. Simon.
If you missed the Dec. 2 episode, you can watch it right here right now:
9 p.m. Tuesday. Fox.
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Guest Cast: Chance Kelly as Mitchel Loeb; Jared Harris as David Robert Jones; Michael Gaston as Sanford Harris; Ari Graynor as Rachel; Lily Pilyblad as Ella; Sara Wilson as Tara Coleman; Stephen Schnetzer as Professor Stewart Kinberg and Peter Jay Fernandez as Dr. Simon.
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We get a Fringe talkback and no 24 talkback? LAME.
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why are we supposed to be impressed? The show seems to be getting along just fine without his regular input. (In that it has an audience. I don't much care for it myself.)
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Tis the true heir of the X-Files.
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Jan 20, 2009 3:26:15 AM CST
I tried to watch it during the break, but it was boring.
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I'd rather watch Gossip Girl than this.
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I finished watching 24, looking for an output for my opinions.....and now i feel let down. At least they were nice enough to add a Fringe talk back...cough cough gay. Let's just pretend Fringe = 24
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Wishing there was a copy of Wednesday's Lost available.
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It's hard to consider her as the lead. The character is so underwhelming it took me eight episodes to even remember her name. Walter/Peter make the show though!
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Will Hunting, the janitor at my local university, wrote this on a blackboard. I stood looking at the equation whilst nodding my head. It seems right to put it here as well.
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You fucking geeks. Do you wake up in the morning praying to your golden calf that there is a new talkback about some show that you HAVEN'T bashed yet? I bet you are the first ones who veheminently watch Buffy (with your box of kleenex, no doubt) and who hide behind your mask of annonymity to talk trash about anyting that doesn't fit into your own warped sense of reality. You are are probably that B.O. smelling loser who walked out of the last 'X-Men' movie talking about how Famke Janssen didn't really capture Jean Grey's 'essence' or why Wolverine would have only been 5'4" in 'your' version and that Hugh Jackman was just waaay too tall. DO YOU UNDERSTAND that Kevin Smith wrote an entire scene in 'Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back' about just how fucked up you are? So shut the fuck up. Go post about Advanced Dungeons and Dragons or some shit and stop Hating just for Hate's sake.
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If you were being sarcastic, very funny.
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If its intentional that Oliva's character is completely underwhelming, almost like wallpaper in most scenes she is in, then hats off to the Fringe team.
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I do not use a box of Kleenex while watching buffy, I prefer having the cum stick on me all day, so there! For someone who says he hates geeks you are quite knowledgeable about them and I must say its quite a funny thing to read someone hating over haters. in essence doing the same thing you are whining about yourself. But most importantly fuck you for making it as if a geek is a bad thing. this site is dedicated to them, made by them.
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Bring it on!
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...neither are most of the posters here, really. Y'all are geeks who've gone round the bend, so far into the geek realm that you'll trash and run down anything that's insufficiently geeky and doesn't meet the purity test. My wife refers to guys like y'all as "green Mohawkers". I prefer "Geek Republicans" - obsessed with ideological purity and pretty conservative at heart.
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I know this will come as a shock, but no one gives a fuck if you don't like the show. Tried to watch it during the break? Nobody cares! Don't like Olivia? Nobody cares! Mad at your Mommy because she won't let you watch it? Nobody cares!Go play outside and shed some of that winter weight. Preferably in traffic.
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Some episodes were snoozers, but the last episode that aired hooked me. Olivia is pretty dry, but Walter is always fun to watch. The prisoner that they retrieved is a good character too.
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Olivia is a grower. She settles in nicely. Pacey, on the other hand, is pointless
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1. Herc didn't get to view it in advance, so there was nothing to post.
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it beats most of the crap out there today. and it beats 99% of the shit that's on SciFi (BSG being the exception).
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Is Herc saying the Giants loss was a result of the Pattern and our Bald Friend? WTF?!? lol
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Quickly everyone, masturbate in awe of JJ Abrams!!! I can't wait to jack off in the cinema when "Star Wars Trek" hits the cinemas.
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http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/suspicious_deaths_scientists_1.htmlOVER THE PAST SEVEN YEARS, more than two dozen of the world’s most esteemed microbiologists—all of whom were focused on combating bioterrorism—have died under questionable circumstances.
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I've given Fringe about 7 or 8 episodes to catch my interest and it fails repeatedly. The scientific psychobabble is straight up ridiculous and the characters have no depth.
People keep saying this show is good but I just don't see it. Honestly, I had more fun watching My Own Worst Enemy and that show was fucking terrible.
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It jumped the shark in its first episode. And somebody please get the writers on this show a science consultant.
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One of the most interesting of the new shows! It's kind of like The Xfiles but in a lot of ways better. I was just dicussing this the day with a friend. With the Xfiles it took couple of seasons to get to where Fringe is halfway through it's first. As far background mythos and plot you can only dangle the carrot in front of the views so long before they get bored. Fringe delivers. It has really good characters and great by play between Mad scientist and son! John Nobel's performance as Walter Bishop which I'm sure people will be talking about for years to come. Really good show! Keep it up!
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What specically didn't you like about the science?
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Ok here's the way this should have read without a dog jumping on your foot! One of the most interesting of the new shows! It's kind of like The Xfiles but in a lot of ways better. I was just discussing this the other day with a friend. With the Xfiles it took couple of seasons to get to where Fringe is halfway through it's first. As far background mythos and plot you can only dangle the carrot in front of the viewers so long before they get bored. Fringe delivers. It has really good characters and great by play between Mad scientist and son! John Nobel's performance as Walter Bishop is one which I'm sure people will be talking about for years to come. Really good show! Keep it up!
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Oh, and so-called fringe science in this show, is freaking retarded.
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Opinions? The show scared the shit out of me. The idea of the last Virus, the one that destroys everything is simply horrifying.
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X Files took a couple of seasons to grow from a cult geek series, to a wider audience, but the first season DID have episodes that could be called classic and iconic of the series as a whole. The first season also had some absolute stinkers. I don't think Fringe, which I think is a fun show, has had those type of episodes as of yet.
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"water cooler" type episodes...
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but I missed the last few. Specifically the ones mentioned in this article (guy in the wall, the kidnapping). Hope I can still follow the arc and not feel left out
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for creating Lost although from what I understand it was studio execs who came up with the idea of a Survivor-like scripted series about a large cast of characters trapped on a mysterious island. But, Fringe is to X-Files what Alias was to La Femme Nikita. Not very original. And from what I've seen of Star Trek reboot let's just say I'm underwhelmed. But, I will give it a chance because Mission Impossible 3 was an ok movie.
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and more importantly acting of Chris Pine, Zachery Quinto, and Karl Urban. Abrams can employ all the eye candy in the world, and have plot twists and spins and what have you. If we don't invest emotionally in Kirk, Spock and McCoy, then it don't matter.
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crap dialog, shit acting, boring story telling, weak mystery. Fringe sucks... bad.
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Alias was a very good show the first three seasons, then suddenly they threw the format out the window, and aired episodes out of order in the fourth season because ongoing plot didn't matter so much as a meaningless bad guy of the week. There weren't even cliffhangers anymore. Studios really don't get it.
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Then, it must be extra shitty.
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Yep, that's pretty much "Lost" dead on.
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Jan 20, 2009 2:11:55 PM CST
Fringe is ok, not great. And I like Abrams' writing.
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His TV scripts aren't afraid to be a bit smart or to go over the audience's head with references. He gets a tip of the hat from me for that. Yeah, ARMAGEDDON is a certified turd but I blame Michael Bay for that. Furthermore, post SUPERMAN RETURNS, I think moving towards Abram's vision of the Superman mythos would be an interesting direction (minus alien Lex and the Supersuit-in-the-can).
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Details please?
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I wonder if they will have her somehow replace the lead girl, have her sister take over. Because most people who try to get into this show run up against the problem of the lead actress just being so bland.
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saw some improvement because it started to focus more on the overarching storyline. Fringe always showed high production values and potential but never really delivered.
There are some shows/movies where everything takes a back seat to the plot. In these circumstances, the characters are used simply to advance the story and not for much else. This isn't necessarily a bad thing so long as the plot is interesting and there's a lot of forward momentum keeping the plot moving at a good pace. "National Treasure" and Abrams' "MI:3" come to mind as movies with strong story momentum supported by one dimentional characters. They're not "cinematic masterpieces" by any means but there's enough energy in moving from plot point to plot point to keep the audience engaged, and perhaps for some of us, even entertained. Fringe is sort of in this same boat.
The problem with the early episodes is that while the presentation was slick, the stories weren't all that engrossing and the characters and relationships were paper thin so there wasn't much there to qualify it as a "must see" show. (I'd also argue that another problem was that the show tried to be too many things but that's a different topic.) There were hints of an interesting grand conspiracy and deep rooted mysteries but there really wasn't enough "forward momentum" along these plot points to make the show compelling and the "solve the supernatural event of the week" story lines weren't executed well enough to stand on their own and keep an audience week after week... And without strong characters and/or strong acting to serve as support, the effect of these story deficiencies were magnified.
Having said this, there's no reason why this show can't have strong(er) characters. While I'd hope for the writers to shift some of their energies to write deeper characters and weave in character development, I'm assuming that this is neither the creative team's goal nor their strong suit Which leaves the burden of creating momre interesting characters on the actors themselves. With the exception of John Noble (who is excellent and who in one sense, helped keep the show from floundering), ALL the actors need to step up and do more with their characters. There's not a lot of meat in the scripts but there's enough there from them to work with. Anna Torv in particular needs to bring/do more. I still think she's capable, but her performance is severly lacking in many respects and the show will suffer without a strong (if not deep) central character to serve as the spine.
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Seriously? I'm not gonna knock it until I give it another chance, but really? I gave up on that one years ago. Did it jump up in quality again and I missed out? Honest question.
And don't start the Heroes/Lost thing with Supernatural/Fringe now. I love both, but to put them in competition is beyond silly. But one thing for certain, there should be a Supernatural talkback. It's improved far too much to be ignored anymore. -
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What exactly is worse about Fringe's pseudo-science that's worse than any other TV show's sci-fi pseudo-science? Examples that make sense and stand up to scrutiny please, or proceed to "dine with Fox" as they say around these parts.
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Last night's 24 was proof that the show is back on track; it allowed the show to focus on all the plot threads instead of meandering around with Jack's family like last season. And it had some absolutely rivetting moments, including the final shot. So Herc decides not to post one?
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The problems are many, and if you need them listed in order to accept that that's a valid criticism, well that says more about you than anything else. However, I'll explain.
If you set SF in the far future, you can excuse a lot more than if it's set in the near future. Warp drive? No problem. Phasers? No problem. Subspace physics? Knock yourself out.
Near term Sci Fi is a lot harder, because you can't just wave a magic wand and say that the intervening 500 years of scientific advancement has made such things possible.
With Fringe, you have the dubious situation of an einstein type scientist working on a *broad* range of disciplines, in the "fringe" sciences years ago, and having his most advanced theoretical work coming to fruition in modern day. That alone is pushing the bounderies of suspension of disbelief. Leaving aside that even Einstein fell completely out of touch with advancing physics (to the point that he never accepted Quantum Physics at all) the physics that is portrayed in Fringe is so close (timewise) to modern day physics that in order to remain plausible it has to bear some similarity to known physics. And it doesn't.
When you have people say things like "Well, atoms are mostly empty space, so it's possible to jiggle it a bit and walk through walls" you're displaying a laymans ignorance of physics, not some deep insight into what might one day be possible.
Maybe there isn't a website yet detailing all the missteps that Fringe has taken. (It would be a lot of work to detail them.) But there should be.
And I'm not going to attempt to teach you some basic physics just to point out that the show's take on science is retarded.
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Developing nicely. Just right amount of drama, Sci Fi, and humour. And the cast is great.
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honestly i thought i was watching a TV show....i guess i was wrong huh.... its SF and its TV...that removes believability...i hate geeks that claim to hav knowlege on the subject, mock people that are enjoying a enormously entertaining show...in other words, we dont care that the physics and science of the show aint realistic...most normal people can process that its entertainment...if u want pure accurate science, watch the discovery or science channels.. ..now to the 24 whiners....theres no 24 talkback because it sucks, its dated, its boring... fringe is not dated, boring , and does not suck...thanks for reading.
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fringe is 10x>heroes
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as another fringe lover.. the first 4 or so episodes i watched because i had nothing better to do, but i think the turning point was "the observer" episode. I think that episode was a good litmus test for people on the fence. if you didnt like that ep, then perhaps Fringe isnt for you. (which is fine.. not to ruin the talkbacker stereotype, but different strokes for different folks, i happen to be in the 'fan' category when it comes to Fringe)
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In a very girl next door type of way.
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I think I've seen every episode but I have no idea who this bad guy is who has the main character chained to the bed. You would think they would do a "previously on Fringe" or something to remind us of who this guy is.
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Mitch dies soon
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this show keeps getting better
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...is the guy who had the crazy vine thing wrapped around his heart. I think.
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Yeah, he was, it was a scam. He did it to himself as part of a long plan to find out where another guy was held prisoner and bust him out.
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Under acting is always better than over acting. She's subdued. Lower key. Look at Scully in the first season of X-Files. Not much there either. Or Tara on Buffy. Or was that just bad acting? Do any of you teenagers and twenty-somethings even remember when the only sci-fi on TV was fucking Buck Rogers and Space 1999? No? Then shuit the fuck up. Be glad, even for the shit. You can always watch Housewives or CSI. If crap shows like Sanctuary or Primeval had come out in 1985 they'd be hailed as classics today. So enjoy them, because the more you hate on them the faster they'll go away. "But we want better5 QUALITY" you say. Well that's not how it works. You get two or three great shows a decade. They spawn ten imitators. another three or four are OK. When the original shows' quality declines, and it looses viewers, then that means the desires of the consumer have changed. Quality cannot be sustained for over 100 stories in five years. The BBC found that out years ago. Quality is better than quantity. Damn Fat Tire sneaking up on me. I'm drunk posting and rambling. I had a point there somewhere, but I seem to have mislaid it.
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I loved this episode. It's nice to see some actual action mixed with the pseudo science. I feel it was very well paced and just got more intense. I felt like I was watching 2nd season X-files for a moment there, and that's a good thing. Loved the catfight!
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Some of it was actually suspenseful...
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How are the guys infecting peeps with trout-sized germs the good guys? Theories?
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they explained and showed that in the episode.
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And I don't think I will.
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really is it that hard to put up a talk back for 24 this week.
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My wife gave up on the show, because she said their 'science' made her want to scream. Me, on the other hand, don't care, as long as they're consistent and tell a good story. But she couldn't handle the fact that they kept using the term 'science' when all their theories go against modern scientific knowledge.
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That sucked. OK. So this guy in an underground prison in Germany, gets some suntan lotion and teleports THROUGH the earth with sound waves. He is deep, dark, dangerous EVIL!! And he is going to destroy the WORLD with the PATTERN...(But first, lets take time out for a Fringe/Slither crossover ep.) Are you bleeping, bleeping me?? I'm pretty damn sure that this hyper-predictable episode didn't broaden the fan base.
NOW GET BACK TO THE EVIL GUY DESTROYING THE WORLD WITH SOUNDWAVES AND ANDROID LADIES AND EXPLOSIVE BLUE METAL BAMBOO SHOOTS. -
is one of the shows that was ever on Fox.And I think Olivia's sort of attractive waxy haired long faced kind of a bitch character is sort of a continuation of Donna from That '79s Show.And I don;t think you can fire an FBI agent and replace her with her single mom sister - that makes no sense at all. Though I can see adding a pretty sister to the cast to give her a home life, someone to talk to and interact with, to give the series more potential hostages and to add a bit of eye candy to the series.MpAnd I love that Peter actually thinks that Walter would give a giant cold germ LSD because, who the hell knows why he does anything?
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Not just a wordy re-hashing of what you said before.
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You know, every time I read a board or talkback and see Sci-Fi fans flipping out over the 'science' of a show, I always think back to that Farscape episode where the alien bounty hunters had the shrinking rays.
Sizoku spent the entire episode saying how it was scientifically impossible, that it couldn't be happening because of yadda yadda. Rygel turns to her and says something along the lines of no matter how ignorant he is, he's smart enough to know the universe doesn't play to his preconceptions.
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I can forgive the science shit. Whatever, Walter's a genius in the way that makes geniuses look like children from New Jersey. Whatever. It's the idiocy of the writing that keeps threatening to buck me off the show again and again. (1) Watch the exterior of the FBI HQ in the first four eps. Some random tower in LA. Last five or six? Hancock building in Boston. I guess an episode showing everyone packing up and moving all their cool FBI HDTVs and glass staircases wasn't Fringey enough. (2) "You idiot! I went through all the trouble of kidnapping you to save you!" But then found it very easy to immediately tell my wife to kill you, even though you just took out a whole team of my men. (3) I don't care how fucked up the FBI is, there is NO government agency in the world willing enough to get itself sued that they'd put a guy accused of sexual assault in charge of reviewing his accuser. (4) I missed Baldy this ep.
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Jan 21, 2009 7:29:21 AM CST
Gotik : Saying the science in that show is retarded, is NOT extr
by v'shael
No matter how much you might wish it was.
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"i hate geeks that [snip] mock people that are enjoying a enormously entertaining show"
"..now to the 24 whiners....theres no 24 talkback because it sucks, its dated, its boring... "
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Jan 21, 2009 7:33:03 AM CST
I agree with JabbaTheMutt, kind of a weak comeback episode...
by turketron
I too wanted creepy evil teleporting prisoner and not Slither crossover. I found it hilarious when she took out the team who was holding her captive... it was like she had super powers.
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A full man-sized body is grown in mere hours. Where the hell did the energy come from to create that much mass? Cells can divide and grow, sure, but only with a source of energy. I didn't even see the mom eat 50 million pizzas or hook herself up to a nuclear plant, or some other wacky far-out "fringe" like explanation.
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This talkback reminds me of that X-Files EP where the Lone Gunmen ask Mulder if he wants to stick around because "we're going online to discuss the scientific inaccuracies of Earth-2 *nerd giggles*".
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And I like Olivia. She's got a quiet sort of personality, sure, but I still like the character. And why has no one mentioned how much ass she kicked last night? Smashing faces, shootin' the bad guys from the hip. And did she go ninja on some guy with a scalpel from across the room. She sure gets mean when she's pissed.Personally, I am extremely aggravated with this new villainous internal affairs type guy. It's absolutely absurd to me that someone with such a conflict of interest could be allowed to investigate Olivia. She had him charged with sexual assault, and now he's allowed to decide if she can keep her job. Ridiculous, and a completely unnecessary added conflict. The internal affairs guy is an evil prick. How original. Yes, I realize the scientific stuff is far from real, but as someone once said, people are more willing to accept the impossible then the improbable.
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Or do I gotta go find the last one from Herc?
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"We searched the warehouse you told us to check out and found that it was entirely empty." WHAAAAAAAAA???
And Olivia (Hey, I remembered her name! Progress!) is still as interesting as a blank Post-It, but kudos for the giant cold virus crawling out of peoples' mouths.
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Dude, I totally agree. I like Olivia. She is NOT your typical defensive I-need-to-prove-myself agent chick (good example of one would be the FBI agent on 11th hour). She's just a quiet, tough chick. I'm a fan of the show, and still consider it better than most sci-fi out there right now on the tube. ... Yes, Lost and BSG are awesome and set the standard.
That being said I also agree about the guy who's investigating her. Totally ridiculous and unneccesary. And couldn't they have gotten an actor to play him who hasn't played the same exact character in everything else he does? Talk about type casting. He played the same kinda guy in Jericho.
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It's like Christmas day all over again. 2 hours of Lost, and a recap episode. SKEET.
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...the show will be better. I used to think my inability to really connect with Fringe was based in-part on the producers' role in the Transformers (in name Only) movie. Then we get to an Abrams co-scripted episode, and the plot actually moves....a little. There's an actual attempt to characterize Olivia (without a single reference to Jon Scott, or the events of the last Abrams co-scripted episode). She gets a fun action seqence, instead of the same chase sequence of every other episode. And we learn there's twice as many shadow agendas going on (that we're not going to find out more about until J.J. helps write his next episode...probably the season finale). Thank you for showing me what I've been missing: it's not that the idea is bad, or the acting, just the writing.
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but i agree that the IA agent is going to bring shit down a bit. i had actually made an earlier mental note that one of the things i liked about the show was that the fringe division was not like the x-files in that it wasnt under constant scrutiny, or about to be shut down.. now 12 eps. in they're already going down that route. i hope it doesnt last.
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.. for his lack of taste. (just kiddin' around, man.. to each his own)
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Why the fuck did he try to kill her then? Weird episode. Still like this show though. I want to find out more about Peter though.
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(1) Watch the exterior of the FBI HQ in the first four eps. Some random tower in LA. Last five or six? Hancock building in Boston. I guess an episode showing everyone packing up and moving all their cool FBI HDTVs and glass staircases wasn't Fringey enough.
No. That was Massive Dynamics(did I get that name right?), you're confusing the two to the best of my recollection.
(2) "You idiot! I went through all the trouble of kidnapping you to save you!" But then found it very easy to immediately tell my wife to kill you, even though you just took out a whole team of my men.
It sounded like a last resort decision to me. AND we still have no idea if he's telling the truth to Olivia. He could simply be lying, in which case your criticism is negated. But even if he's telling the truth, it simply could be that he decided she was an acceptable, unavoidable loss considering the bigger picture.
(3) I don't care how fucked up the FBI is, there is NO government agency in the world willing enough to get itself sued that they'd put a guy accused of sexual assault in charge of reviewing his accuser.
Don't be so sure. There certainly is catholic precedence!! Maybe he's catholic. Would be a switch for them though, considering her sex and her being past the age of consent.
(4) I missed Baldy this ep.
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My fingers are loose. I'm ready.
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lostlostlostlost! lost on the brain
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the science shark. When Walter commented that he was using "decongestant" on the virus worm. Everyone knows decongestants treat symptoms and have zero effect on the actual cold virus. But then I remembered the first scene. He was getting his one chance in a lifetime shot at giving his "special blend" of LSD analogue to a GIANT VIRUS. Now, what a psychedelic is supposed to do to a gargantuan single celled organism I DO NOT KNOW. But it's Walter. I'm pretty sure he tries that stuff on inanimate objects in his spare time. And god bless him for it. SCIENCE!!!
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"It warms your ass"
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After the No 24 TB, I assume someone should be fired if a LOST TB isn't posted.
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in the morning. Not always the night before. Right? I think we're just having a hard time being patient because we want our LOST NOW! lol
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I'm addicted. I really need some Lost soon. With all the hints and sneak peaks its like getting the Snickle Fritz when all you want is that sweet sweet Pinapple Express! Where the hell is the Lost TB?
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after watching one too many TV shows where a 110 pound 5 foot 3 inch woman takes out a 6 foot 3 220 pound man and thinking that would happen in real life.
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Did anyone notice in the episode where Olivia went back in the tank to try and see things through her dead/not dead ex's eyes, the guy with him made an aside that sounded suspiciously like 'I'll speak with Astrid and let you know'...? Astrid is the lab assistant for Walter. Anyone else pick up on this?
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We're just impatient.
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The second time she went in the tank, right? I'll have to check that out. Hmmm.
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But i do know there is some kind of mysterious character with alopecia......did anyone see the very odd glamour shot of that guy standing in the endzone during an nfl playoff game on fox.
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sorry about triple posting. The Two thing are: 1.) i forgot to ask the question in my first post and 2.) i just realized the question is irrelevant because herc posted the video of said game, verifying i didn't imagine that happening. oh and we could really use an updated talkback system, thus helping prevent atrocities like this triple post. K thnx bye
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Jan 21, 2009 11:43:26 AM CST
< 9 hrs till LOST & I've always thought Astrid was shady...
by turketron
She flies too low under the radar. Who wants to bet that there will be an episode where it's revealed that she is a mole or something...
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Originall posted by InActionMan :
" after watching one too many TV shows where a 110 pound 5 foot 3 inch woman takes out a 6 foot 3 220 pound man and thinking that would happen in real life.
I'm looking at you Ron Moore and JJ. "
It's a tv show! On the one hand you have a trained FBI agent on the other it's military! Not exactly average women. On the other things Well I really haven't heard anything definite about what's wrong with the science from any of you! Do you know why? Because they don't get into it enough to be proven wrong! It's fringe science for god's sake! They use a lot of technobabble and just a smattering of facts like the best Sar Trek episodes because it's not important to the plot. There's enough fact there to make it plausible. If you could fill in the blanks you might have something to groan about but then you'd have to be Walter Bishop. And that's another thing. He's crazy! He's not going to act like a traditional scientist and if he did no one would watch. I love this show. I think Anna Torv is great! Good acting while not over powering everything else ( not everything has to William Shatner ) and not really bad on the eyes either. And then there's John Nobel. I can't say enough good about his performance. The XFiles had a stroke in it's final years that's why fans stopped watching. It was a great show for a long while but then they did something that you should never do with a mystery ( something that Fringe doesn't ). They kept dangling the carrot of unexplained things too long. On Fringe they've already made good progress in letting you in on some of the big picture. The end of the XFiles was underwhelming. All those years of Aliens, clones, Mulder's sister, Cigarette smoking, and black blood etc. And no resolution. And it took most of the series to get those items out in the open. The only thing that did get resolved was Mulder and Scully's romance and by the time it did you go " Meh ". This is why I hope they keep the apparent budding romance between Olivia and Peter Bishop on the back burner for awhile. Either that or get past it and just accept that they are joined at the hip and the " mystery " of it isn't important to plot development. A show riding on sexual tension can kill itself when the time comes to finally let it out ( Just ask the cast of " Moonlighting " ). As I've said I like Fringe. I never get bored and it's got the finesse that alot of new shows fail to have. Keep em' coming!
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Yep, pretty sure he refers to Astrid. Which would be nice to know that someone over there on the Frings writing staff is good enough to sprinkle in a few really well placed but blink and you missed it references to the underlying mythos they are developing. It's one of the reasons when I noticed the Dharma tattoo on the shark in that infamous episode of Lost that I was totally bought in. Nice little thoughtfull touches that spark your imagination. Check out that ep and report back. I'd love some confirmation of my theory. And Turk, I agree, she was totally flying under the radar. Would be interesting to see she was actually gonna bad ass it up.
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Uh, I was actually asking how the bad guys were talking as if they were the good guys. I had pretty much figured out how they got the germs in the people, as they clearly showed it happening. I know "character developed" bad guys think they're actually good is hip, but I'm just curious about that choad's angle on the whole story.I like this show. It's not brilliant, but it's fun. I don't care about the bad science because I don't think it ever tries to pass itself off as good or realistic science. Oddly enough, when shows like Law & Order or whatever have people using computer graphics that seem waaaay too fancy for what actual cops would use, then I get suspect. But guys walking through walls or viruses the size of footballs—that's okay.
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I have a degree in Physcs and your explanations of why Fringe;s science is bad are simplistic. You sound like a layman who read a few issue sof Scientific American.
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"(2) "You idiot! I went through all the trouble of kidnapping you to save you!" But then found it very easy to immediately tell my wife to kill you, even though you just took out a whole team of my men.
"It sounded like a last resort decision to me. AND we still have no idea if he's telling the truth to Olivia. He could simply be lying, in which case your criticism is negated. But even if he's telling the truth, it simply could be that he decided she was an acceptable, unavoidable loss considering the bigger picture."
Why isn't explaining what's going on an option? It's like Ben on Lost, he is and always has been an irredeemable character regardless. There are no facts (short of mind control) that could justify Ben's actions. Just like there is no justification for Mitchell Loeb's behavior.
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Good god Herc.
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Tales of the lost boob job!! *cough*
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and one who doesn't strike me as being all that bright to begin with.
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seriously. It's just a TV show. Don't expect the science to be real and don't expect everyone to love the show just because WE do.
Now LOST.. on the other hand. Back the heck off. lol -
talkback comment until I noticed my grammatical typo. :( EDIT FUNCTION PLEASE!? (you know.. there is software that time stamps edits so that blowhards can't say stuff, edit it out and then say they never said it)
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Olivia has slowly grown on me, but she still isn't as likable or as interesting as Alias' Sydney Bristow. That's partially due to the awesomeness of Jennifer Garner.
I obviously need to watch the show more carefully, because I had no f'ing clue that Mitchell was a recurring character. Apparently I need to lay off the quaaludes.
I think once the show continues to develop a mythology and a story arc, I'll enjoy the show more. As it is, Fringe is a worthwhile series that has the potential to grow; it just hasn't hooked me immediately like Alias and Lost did. -
as much as Lost. But I think part of that was my craving for more Lost. Fringe is a fantastic show with huge potential to be a GREAT show. Here and there, however, it has BEEN great.
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Yeah, Fringe is all right but there's only one TV show on my mind at present and this ain't it.
I tell you what, though, if there's ever an episode of Fringe where that lady from Massive Dynamic mentions the Hanso Foundation or the Dharma Initiative then I'll be all over this show like a rash.
And if Agent Phillip Broyles and Matthew Abaddon turn out to be one and the same I'll be mighty impressed. Fringe could be a LOST spin-off without us evening realising it. A different network, perhaps, but one can still dream. -
9PM EST
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If that's the case, then you should try a little harder and don't don't don't talk down to your audience. A key to demonstrating your understanding of a complex or abstract concept is how easily you can explain it to a layperson. The harder it is for you, the less you probably understand it.
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This show is kicking my ass. I can't wait till next week.
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And the entertainers know it which is why so few of them will ever be interviewed. Fringe is pretty damn good..and so is Anna as Olivia. Most of you scumbags though use this site as some stand up comedy routine..lets see I am on AICN , which means I need to be different and act like any successful guy like JJ or Michael Bay or McG SUCKS so let me be a douche bag and rag on whatever they are doing because I want to fit in!!!!! Your all homo's and I wish this site was an airplane that was heading for a big flock of birds so I could stand on the wing and watch most of you choke to death.
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Yes I seen that bald dude in the end zone or sideline during that game. I remember thinking it had something to do with fringe because he looked alot like the bald dude that is in the show..and there was no reason for the camera to do a closeup of that guys side of his noggin..interesting. I hope you survive the crash!
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Jan 21, 2009 6:36:12 PM CST
Ladies and Gentleman, my alma mater is now officially a star of
by skidmarkedundies
That isn't Harvard in the establishing shot 13:34 in (without commercials). That is the Bedford Avenue entrance of Brooklyn College of CUNY Fame. HUZZAH!
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Whilst the episode was fun it did seem rather strange from the pace and tone of the previous episode - particularly the outing of Mitchell Loeb... still we'll see where it all goes from here...
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was shot in Ingersol Hall. LOL. AWESOME!
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"A post like that could give a reader whiplash, if he wasn't careful."
I find you somewhat tiresome with the whole science-not-being-authentic thing but that above quote?
Damn. That was funny. :)
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...it's growing on me. I watched the first ep and then didn't watch any more while the pvr kept recording and then decide to watch what I had all at once and really enjoyed it.
Yeah, the science is...murky but I like where it's going and I'm in for the duration.
Also, if I'd been watching that football game and seen the Observer that would have been an awesome "holy shit" moment.
Still fun to see after the fact.
JJ has me with Lost & Fringe.
I am his bitch.
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Another aggravating TV cliche... the professor is sleeping with his young, attractive teaching assistant. C'mon, writers. If you've seen it a million times before on TV, don't write it!!
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I looked and looked and couldn't find him.
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I really like this show, but I hope JJ Abrams stays away. He seems to excel in developing series and then destroying them. No, I never did watch "Lost" because I was still pissed about he
ruined "Alias" The first 2 seasons of that show were great, and then it turned into a soap opera. Now, he co-writes this ep and what happens? In comes the long lost sis and her little tyke to domesticate and complicate with superfluous characters. ( I know, sis will probably turn out to be an alien or some such bs) Go make movies, dude. Good luck with Star Trek. -
I really like Fringe. I like the characters and the way they depict the fringe science. Is some of it possible? I don't think so for the near future, but I find it very entertaining. My favorite eps are the one with the observers ("The Arrival"), the one where they walk through walls ("Safe"), and the last one ("Bound").
For those of you that like listening to podcasts, there's a good podcast where the people talk about Fringe, called "The Fringe Podcast", and it can be found on iTunes and thefringepodcast.com.
As to what ReGenesis is, I've only seen a few episodes in the past few years (I think they finished their 4th season). It seems to deal with bio-terrorism and solving weird cases dealing with unusual micro-organisms. That's only from what little I know. It looks like it's got good production values and it takes itself seriously. I believe it's made in Canada.
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