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Our first review of one of Sundance's Midnight films: Nazi Zombies run amok in DEAD SNOW! Plus short film TREEVENGE!!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. You know, to be honest, the DEAD SNOW trailer didn't hit me in the same sweet spot that it did Grand Master Knowles. It felt to me like it was going to spend too much time referencing other films than focusing on hitting that perfect balance between horror and comedy that is damn near impossible to strike. I can count the successes in that genre on one hand. However, I love Nazis as villains, I love Zombies as villains so those two great tastes must taste great together, right? And our first word from out of Sundance is very positive... and the short that played before it, Treevenge, sounds absolutely spectacular. If you're in the snow watching flicks in Park City, do email us in your reviews. AICN doesn't have a presence at either Sundance or Slamdance this year, although I will be contributing some reviews of films playing both festivals in the near future. Here's the review of DEAD SNOW and TREEVENGE!!!

Hi, Harry- I remember how excited you were about Dead Snow after seeing the trailer, so I thought you would be interested in hearing about (and seeing some pictures from) the premiere! My thoughts on the film in short: It was simply Outstanding! Like you, I was excited about the trailer (Nazi zombies in the snow? What's not to like?), and I had pretty high hopes going in. I'm happy to report that the film absolutely lives up to the promise shown in the trailer, and it actually exceeded my expectations. The film was shown at the Egyptian theater at midnight, and upon entering the lobby I was immediatly suprised to see two actors in full zombie make-up and tattered nazi uniforms (see pictures attached). This is my fifth year attending Sundance, and I've never seen this sort of thing before. Nice touch.

After being saluted by the zombies on his way to the stage, the director, Tommy Wirkola, was introduced by one of the Sundance programmers, Trevor Groth. Mr. Groth was clearly a big fan of the film, and he complimented the film-makers on both the unique concept and successful execution their horror film. Mr. Wirkola gave a brief intro along the lines of: We wanted to do something new with the genere, and what could be more scary than zombies? Nazi zombies! Hell yeah! There was a short before the film called Treevenge. This was a great warm-up for the audience: basically a B-movie-style horror film involving Christmas trees taking their bloody revenge on the humans who'd harvested them. Lots of gore, often involving tree branches impailing eyeballs, mouths, etc. And in a scene of pandemonium in the streets, I think I actually saw a guy being sodomized by one of the trees. Twisted stuff, and pretty damn funny. Then we were on to Dead Snow. The film was produced and shot in Norway, and it was subtitled. As I recall the film, I really don't remember reading them at all, so that didn't detract from my experience. And when the characters quote American films, they do it in English with an American accent, which was amusing. Overall, the film had an 80's horror movie feel (Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, Evil Dead). Eight 20-something-year-old friends, all medical students, are going on vacation in the mountains unaware of the 'history' of the area they're visiting. They eventually learn this from a spooky camper who visits their cabin on the first night of their stay. This bit was very well done, explaining how Nazis had brutally tortured and robbed the local residents for years. As the war was ending, the locals fought back fiercly, but some of the Nazi's, including their leader, Colonel Herzog, escaped in the nearby mountains. The creepy camper (who kind of reminded me of the guys in The Slaughtered Lamb scene of An American Werewolf in London) cautions that it would be best 'not to awaken the evil in the mountains'. Well, it's not suprising when the don't take his warning seriously.

I really don't want to give away more of the plot at this point. I thought that overall the story had a great mixture of dark humor, suspense, sex, and of course gallons and gallons of blood, brains, intestines and other 'giblets'. I think you'll agree that this is a worthy addition to the zombie genere, and horror fans are going to find there's a lot to sink their teeth into here. If you need more convincing, when the house lights came up I noticed that John Cusack was sitting in the row behind me. When I looked back he was laughing, so I guess it was o.k.

Interestingly, in the Q&A afterward, the director was asked about his views of established zombie 'rules' laid down in previous films. He mentioned that he'd followed "a discussion of fast and slow zombies on Aint It Cool News" a while back. Nice. He said that he went with faster zombies, because a slow zombie, lumbering through a foot of snow would not have been very scary. Point taken.

Well, that's about it. As I said, I'll include a few of my pictures from the premiere which I hope you enjoy! Best Regards, SkinJob69

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  • Jan. 18, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST


    by MatDGZ

    its a friggin miracle!

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    This guy knows how to make Sunday great...

    by pussyslayer09

    awesome pictures and great report... I wish more AICN'ers did that shit... this movie looks sick man.. there is a preview on post it here meow..

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST


    by pussyslayer09

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST


    by pussyslayer09

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    I watched "The Outpost" today

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    Which also featured Nazi Zombies! How strange.<p>Having seen the trailer for Dead Snow, it sure does look like someone watched "Shaun Of The Dead" too many times and then thought 'Hmmm... what's better than just zombies? Aha! Nazi zombies!'

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Movies with perfect horror/comedy balance:

    by DerLanghaarige

    Let's see:<p> - Fright Night<br> - The Frighteners<br> - The Return Of The Living Dead<br> - Gremlins<br> - Shaun Of The Dead<br> - Night Of The Creeps<p> They are already six. Okay, none of them is seriously scary but they knew when it was time to stop being funny and when you can start again to make the audience laugh. Maybe I would also add Ghostbusters to the list, although this is definitely more comedy. <br>

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST


    by Gus Van Rant

    Yep, this sucks.

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but we've already had two talkbacks on

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    this already. Is there anything left to say?

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    ShockWaves on Ice?

    by mojoman69

    This seems similar to the classic schlock fest Shockwaves, which if true should be very entertaining. Interesting that Scandanavia seems to be the new source (let the Right One in, Dead Snow) of horror flicks. Im looking forward to more.

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Who are the ad wizards...

    by wampa 1

    ...that came up with this one?

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Shouldn't the Nazi zombie actors...

    by MCVamp giving a different salute? Not the over the brow salute, but the ol' Heil Hitler? And are they Zombie Nazis or Nazi Zombies? There is a difference, ya know.

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Love that poster (or whatever it is). Also, I like stuff in the

    by FlickaPoo

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    ...snow. I like stuff in the snow.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Movies with perfect horror/comedy balance

    by codereduk

    What about Re-Animator? Evil Dead 2?

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST

    So he thought the movie was okay after seeing Cusack laugh?!

    by Mike_D

    Is this the same guy that didnt think it was okay to laugh until he saw Kurt Russell laugh at the grindhouse movies? LOL

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Coming Soon: kids in a cabin get attacked by creatures!!

    by Mike_D

    holy shit! I never heard of something like that before!

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    How creative!

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Last weeks Leverage Nazi Werewolves.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Dead Snow reminds me of that. Filmed in Romania I bet.

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Mossad Zombies

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Nazi's are only about sixty years out of date. Maybe some Mossad villians for a treat.

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST

    DerLanghaarige, Slither, CHUD 2, Arsenic/Old Lace

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Slither Chud 2 Bud the Chud Bordello of Blood Innocent Blood Arsenic and Old lace Young Frankenstein Dr Phibes TOXIC AVENGER!

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Black Sheep

    by EvilWizardGlick


  • Jan. 18, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    i'm seeing black dynomite tonight

    by maluquiro

    and adventureland tomorrow.

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 5 p.m. CST


    by maluquiro


  • Jan. 18, 2009, 5:24 p.m. CST


    by toadkillerdog

    Way to go Cards!

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Call of Duty 5 anyone?

    by Nickn328

    First thing I thought of when I read the title.

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Evil Wizard Glick...

    by Sithtastic

    What? No Hamas zombies? Hezbollah zombies? They start them early you know...but hey, guess they're scary enough alive.

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Sounds like the singer from Led Zepplin.

    by Ronnie__Dobbs

    Robert something or other.

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 7:05 p.m. CST

    its not ok

    by aestheticity

    until kurt russell laughs.

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 7:47 p.m. CST


    by drturing

    an intelligent scifi movie that gets lots of raves and deep thought, tons of praise for its low budget visuals, only one middling review (Moriarty, who says the direction is spot on but the script needs help)... and you visited the set and aren't going to tell us anything about it?

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 7:54 p.m. CST

    History of Nazi Zombie Films so far

    by Lornsorrow

    Hope it's done up nice. As a fan of Shock Waves though, Dead Snow is not going to be that, but I'm looking forward to it. The Dead Snow trailer shows it to be a different kind of film (has humor, etc, see review above). Shock Waves was pretty serious and I could go on and on forever about the look and feel of that film. And the fact that Shock Waves is 1977 and Halloween is 1978 always blows me away. To me, Shock Waves has that John Carpenter feel. I'll never be able to say enough good things about Shock Waves. But I love seeing others take a stab at the Nazi zombie world. Not really too many Nazi Zombie films that are worth much. I don't know of anything earlier than Shock Waves (1977-Ken Wiederhorn). There is also Zombie Lake (1981 - Jean Rollin) which is terrible. Oasis of the Zombies (1981 - Jesus Franco) is not much better but has a few points of merit. There is also Night of the Zombies (1981) by Joel M. Reed (Not to be confused with Bruno Mattei's film of the same name, available on DVD, also known as Night of the Zombies II). And there is the recent Outpost (2008 - Steve Barker). Outpost really isn't a true Nazi zombie flick, more like Nazi's meet The Philadelphia Experiment, but it certainly has some merit and had a decent look and some sort of budget. And that's about all I'm aware of. All this, because I got into Shock Waves so much that it got my interest in the Nazi zombie. Of course, I still wait for Castle Wolfenstein. If done right, with Shock Waves as a big influence, it could be one, if not THEE greatest Nazi Zombie film ever. But, alas, we wait.

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST


    by Lornsorrow

    Also got to mention this project in the making. The promo trailer is great. I've know about it for a couple years. Hope it comes out soon.

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    by Lornsorrow

    there, that's better, no spacing.

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST


    by Lornsorrow

    Screw it, should just used tiny url. Whatever, I'm sure you can get there.

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 9:02 p.m. CST

    this was actually pretty cool

    by Stengah

    i never thought this movie would garner any attention.

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST


    by TheBlackKnight

    put up that watchmen TV spot from the AFC championship.

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 10:29 p.m. CST

    even more comedy/horror proper mix-ups:

    by future help

    Severance, Behind the Mask of Leslie Vernon, American Warewolf in London, Bad Taste, Poltergeist(im pushing it...)

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 11:27 p.m. CST


    by Gilkuliehe

    They stole your alternate name for THE HAPPENING. Yup, TREEVENGE. Brilliant. OMFG, am I the saddest Vern fan ever or what?

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 11:30 p.m. CST


    by Gilkuliehe

    Did someone already mention De La Iglesia's DAY OF THE BEAST and COMMON WEALTH. Those are perfect mixes, in my opinion

  • Jan. 18, 2009, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Cool Concept

    by KISSman24

    Would love to see it.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 12:10 a.m. CST

    running zombies

    by deanbarry

    don't exist in this dojo. but if they are on ski's, i'll accept it.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 12:22 a.m. CST

    The problem with horror comedy..

    by Eyegore

    Is the comedy. Who the fuck thought those two should be mixed, when adding comedy instantly kills the horror aspect? A Nightmare on Elm Street part 1 is horror. There is no comedy in that movie, and it's a horror classic. One the scariest movies ever made. You see what happened to later movies in the series as Freddy turns up the jokes/mugging for the camera/one liners. Comedy has no place in real horror movies. Horror comedy is just a comedy with a silly horror theme.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Dead Snow is a cool name.

    by Cotton McKnight

    I wish I had thought of it. I'm not seeing the movie, though.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Many movies that you named here are just comedies...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ...with horror elements. Films that are made to make you laugh with the help of monsters and don't even try to scare you or build up some serious horror movie mood. Films like Bad Taste or Black Sheep use seperated body parts and guts like pies in a Stooges short.<br> However, I DO agree about Slither and El Dia De La Bestia. Maybe also about Re-animator, but I haven't watched it for ages and are not sure at the moment.<br> I definitely wouldn't even think of calling Arsenic & Old Lace and La Communidad horror, even if they are brillant movies. And pretty much every other movie that was named is "just" a Horror/Comedy mix, but not a perfect one. <br> The point is, that everybody can put gags in a horror movie and splatter & monsters in a comedy, but the trick is to make both elements work together.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Call of Duty, World at War did Nazi Zombies first!

    by Orionsangels

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 1:56 a.m. CST

    But Harry's not a gamer so he wouldn't know

    by Orionsangels

    or whoever wrote this column? no article? wait let me check. Quint! are you a gamer? You'd know that most hollywood films these days, get ideas from video games.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Nazi Zombies in COD5 WORLD AT WAR

    by Gorgomel

    is the coolest game mode ever!

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 2:22 a.m. CST

    morgan freeman is wereninja!

    by ironic_name

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 2:23 a.m. CST

    by ironic_name

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 2:23 a.m. CST

    by ironic_name

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 2:23 a.m. CST

    by ironic_name

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Arsenic and Old Lace is not horror

    by Lost Jarv

    it's a farce. <P>Slither is neither Horror nor Comedy, but garbage. The Frighteners is pure comedy- Jackson's Braindead is Horror Comedy.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Sodomy by Christmas tree

    by DocPazuzu

    = instant and epic win.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 3:18 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Did you ever watch Hard Rock Zombies over the weekend?

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 3:20 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    You forgot the greatest combo ever: An American Werewolf in London.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Hard Rock Zombies is tonight's viewing

    by Lost Jarv

    My schlock loving mates were working at the weekend so I promised I'd save it until they were off. Can't wait.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 3:29 a.m. CST


    by Lost Jarv

    Christmas Tree Rape is not necessariy epic win. Remember Snowman Rape in Jack Frost?

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Good Comedy Horrors-

    by Lost Jarv

    Shaun of The Dead, American Werewolf in London, Ginger Snaps, Dog Soldiers, Braindead, Fright Night. <P>Maybe The Howling. <P>What is it about Werewolves that lend themselves to comdey horror?

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 3:41 a.m. CST Outpost anyone?

    by masteryoda007

    I take it that nobobdy has seen Outpost, the Nazi Zombie thriller starring The Punisher? It sounds to me as if they ripped of the story of that movie.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 3:44 a.m. CST

    But Jarv...

    by DocPazuzu's... a CHRISTMAS TREE. I am COMPELLED to love that, sight unseen.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 3:50 a.m. CST

    I know, I'm the same

    by Lost Jarv

    but when I start to think like that I've got a Jack Frost expectations lowering hormone that kicks in.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 4 a.m. CST

    Cemetary Man

    by Shoegeezer

    I'd class that as a horror comedy. Saw Treevenge, I think it uses the music from Cannibal Holocaust for added effect. Now, Moon review please.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 4:08 a.m. CST

    Horror Comedies

    by Ian Holm's milky ass sweat

    No one thought of the best (and maybe first?) film of this genremix: The Fearless Vampire Killers. It combines horror and comedy in the most lovable way. I'm also looking forward to Worst Case Scenario. I signed up as a zombie extra years ago but never heard from them. Hope it ever gets made. Oh...and Black Sheep doesn't count. That film was just a steaming pile of sheep dung.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Worst Case Scenario

    by DocPazuzu

    The two trailers for that thing are better than most complete horror films made in the past ten years. Amazing.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 4:20 a.m. CST

    I like Black Sheep

    by Lost Jarv

    and thought it was very funny. It wasn't horror though. <P>Is Scream a Horror comedy?

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 4:25 a.m. CST

    I feel seriously emberassed that I forgot...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ...American Werewolf. Dammit.<br> And no, Braindead is more pure comedy than The Frighteners was. Yes, Braindead also works well as character piece (even if 99% of its audience only focus on the splatter and ignore the surprisingly well written script) but my point is that it's again one of these Let's-use-horror-elements-to-make-people-laugh horror comedies. As soon as a Zombie appears, it's used as a prop for a joke, even if the joke is that someone gets ripped apart by it. The Frighteners on the other hand gets much darker and intense towards the end. You can say that from the scene in the museum the movie tries to make you laugh as less as possible and even an over the top comic villain like Jeff Combs' character becomes a real threat.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 4:26 a.m. CST

    Fucking true

    by Lost Jarv

    The state of horror nowadays is fucking pitiful. <P>Curse Torture Porn.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 4:30 a.m. CST

    And about Scream:

    by DerLanghaarige

    Well, that's up to your definition. I hate to call movies where the killer is a normal human being 'horror', because that would also make crime shows like CSI horror.<br> But let's pretend that the Slasher movie with the normal human killer IS horror, then yes, Scream is a horror comedy. Is it one of the perfectly balanced horror comedies? Not in my opinion. The whole the-characters-tell-you-what's-gonna -happen-next-because-they-saw-it-in-a-movie-shtick kills (for me) the whole atmosphere. It's like someone would stop the movie every few minutes and yell in your face: "Remember! It's just a movie, ha ha!"

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 4:36 a.m. CST

    And 10 years ago people complained:

    by DerLanghaarige

    The state of modern horror nowadays is fucking pitiful.<p> Curse self referential teen horror.<br> And in the 80's people said the same because of something else. And in the 70's and so on. Horror dies every 10 years.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 4:47 a.m. CST

    disgree totally.

    by Lost Jarv

    I honestly think you've got that the other way round.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Slasher movies are nothing like CSI

    by Lost Jarv

    and I think they are horror. Whereas I'd argue that crime is, well, either crime or procedural.<P>Although Scream is arguably to blame for the fucking wave of ironic postmodern shite that followed, that's like blaming every crappy slasher movie on Halloween. <P>Horror does die every 10 years as each fad burns out, but the Torture porn one is the worst I've seen- the sooner it fucks off (Like J-horror remakes) the better.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Talking about "winking at the camera"

    by Lost Jarv

    what do you think of Funny Games? Which isn't torture porn.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 5:56 a.m. CST

    The worst thing about TP...

    by DocPazuzu how it seems to infect other horror subgenres. Take The Ruins, for instance. Great idea, shit movie -- mostly because of its insistance to incorporate graphic amputations, knifings and body horror whch is anything but horrific in the Cronenberg sense. It's simply disgusting for its own sake.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 6:18 a.m. CST

    That's why I hate it.

    by Lost Jarv

    There's nothing clever about making the audience wince. Was I scared in Hostel? No. Did I wince when he tried to walk on slashed achilles tendons? yes. <P>Until horror starts giving up characters we give a shit about, creating some tension and shifts from it's stupid "gross for grossness sake" juvenile frat boy mentality, then Horror will stay fucked.<P>I haven't seen The Ruins. So it's shit, then?

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 6:20 a.m. CST

    Re- Body Horror

    by Lost Jarv

    This really was a weekend for watching films that I don't think I'd ever want to see again. Videodrome, for example, great film and one of the Archetypes of Body Horror. I don't think I'll watch it again though. <P>And as for Funny Games, while surprised and impressed by the American Remake, I never will sit through that again either. I don't like being sneered at by a film maker with artistic pretensions, and it was only morbid curiousity (I wanted to compare it to the original) that had me watching it.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Worst part of The Ruins

    by Mavra Chang

    Was that it was really a great novel. How they managed to turn it into such a bad movie is beyond me. I was so disappointed. Made me want to kill a plant to ease my mind.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Didn't Harry love it?

    by Lost Jarv

    I seem to remember.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 6:22 a.m. CST

    off for a smoke

    by Lost Jarv

    hi Mavra.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Hi, Jarv. Just remember...

    by Mavra Chang

    Harry also loves stripgirl. Nuff said.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 6:26 a.m. CST

    The thing with Funny Games is...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ...that it isn't supposed to be a "smart" take and revival of a genre, but pretty much a comment on the audiences bloodlust. And I got no idea what the real idea behind the 1:1 remake was, but to make it in a time when 'Saw' is the most succesful horror franchise was very good timing.<br> And no, I won't use the term "torture porn", because that would be like labeling action movies "explosion and gunshot porn'. And no offense DocPazuzu, but what you said about Ruins makes you look like you think that all horror movies where unbloody and only had off screen violence, before 'Saw' turned out to be a hit at the Box Office.<br> The discussion about violence in horror films exists since...well, since horror movies are made! Face it, everything that you can think of has already been shown on screen. Most of these movies were never shown in local multiplexes, but to think that todays graphic torture movies are worse than 30 year old cannibal movies is wrong. Is the current torture trend annoying and questionable? Yes, but most of you forget that there is still just a very limited audience for these movies. Hostel 2 bombed and most of these movies don't even reach theatres and go straight to DVD. So stop complaining and wait for the next big trend.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 6:28 a.m. CST

    One last thing, Jarv...

    by Mavra Chang

    Before I go to bed, on the subject of weekend movie viewing: I saw a certain upcoming film featuring The Ponytailed One battling the undead. I love being Changian. Ciao.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 6:36 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    On the contrary, I'm neither so naïve as to think gory movies are new or so squeamish as to have a problem with gory movies. I love loads of horror movies that are VERY bloody. It all comes down to purpose and execution.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 6:38 a.m. CST

    And yes, it IS torture porn...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...since the gore functions in exactly the same way that the graphic sex does in ordinary porn.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 6:39 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    The Ruins is shit. Like Mavra said, the book is great but the movie is a load of TP-flirting assballs.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 6:49 a.m. CST

    I know that about Funny Games.

    by Lost Jarv

    And as much as the remake is great timing- I don't like being told I'm basically an asshole. You can use as many Brechtian devices as you like, but it still makes you a condescending prick. <P>I'm also not deluded enough to think that gore= TP, or even that it's anything new. DocP is right, it all comes down to purpose and execution. <P>Night mavra, I have to see that, by the way.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 6:50 a.m. CST


    by Lost Jarv

    shame. I had hopes for it.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 7:38 a.m. CST

    hard rock zombies!

    by ironic_name


  • Jan. 19, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST

    And Jurassic Park is CGI DInosaur porn?

    by DerLanghaarige

    Sleepy Hollow was decapitation porn? The Blob (remake) is melting face porn? Comedies are joke porn?

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 7:55 a.m. CST

    I thought "Rosemarys' Baby"..

    by nolan bautista

    ..had a lot of dark humor in it..just sayin'..and "The Fearless Vampire Killers" old gem!! (Hmmm..just realized that both were directed by Polanski)

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 8:05 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Now you're just being silly.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 8:09 a.m. CST

    My point about 'Torture Porn' is...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ...every movie is some kind of porn. That's why they put so called 'money shots' in the trailers. And that people who accepted over decades movies in which people where killed in the most gruesome ways are suddenly offended by Saw and Hostel is hypocritical. I'm not defending these movies and I don't think they are scary, but a.) slasher movies aren't scary either (wow, a guy with a knife) and nobody talks about how Halloween and Friday The 13th "ruined the horror genre" and b.) while on-screen torture isn't scary, it makes you at least disgusted and uncomfortable, which is one of the purposes of a horror movie.<br> And yes, The Fearless Vampire Killers is a damn good horror comedy.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 8:19 a.m. CST

    The 2 greatest horror comedy combos...

    by ScottinDC

    are absolutely The Boogens and American Werewolf in London. Werewolf is among the greatest scary films ever (gross, sleazy, hilarious and even sexy and touching at times). And The Boogens..what a lost gem: an old abandoned mine is reopened and giant turtles with claws that stick out of their ass crawl out and start feeding on house pets and attacking the local populace. The greatest moment is when an old guy sees one and actually yells "Boogens!". Priceless.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Oh...and Reanimator. Duh

    by ScottinDC

    OK Let me add # 3 ... Reanimator - HILARIOUS movie. Cmon people! The headless head gives head! One of the best visual puns (and shockingly gross moments) ever!

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Not at all- that argument is always bought up

    by Lost Jarv

    eg- Psycho= Murder Porn. <P>It's bollocks. Torture Porn as a term is very apropros as pornography= "obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, esp. those having little or no artistic merit." <P>Is the torture in the likes of Hostel (let alone really hard-core stuff like Guinea pig or August underground) obscene? I think it is. Does it have any artistic merit? I'd argue no, or if it does then very little. <P>That makes it porn. <P>In the other examples, you can argue that they usually do have some merit, and in the case of comedy, if the jokes don't work then the film is bad, and they don't even register as jokes. <P>Furthermore, I don't think that the purpose of Horror movies is to disgust you or make you feel uncomfortable- it is if you ask a clownshoe like Roth, but he wouldn't know a good horror movie if it fucked him in the ear. <P>They're fucking lazy LCD films that, because the writers/ directors don't have the talent to actually create a scare (or even a jump), are not horror- did Rosemary's Baby rely on gore?. They're just Torture Porn crap, and I despise them.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 8:31 a.m. CST

    not to mention the fact that plenty of people did

    by Lost Jarv

    before scream talk about slasher films ruining the genre with endless lame sequels.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 9:01 a.m. CST

    hey DocP...

    by just pillow talk

    Nice all on Hard Rock Zombies and Space Mutiny. <p>"You're neat."<p>The writers are geniuses.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 9:01 a.m. CST

    aw fuck

    by just pillow talk

    Nice Call.<p>Fuck you Monday.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Mavra, I also watched fat head this weekend

    by just pillow talk

    Urban Justice for me. And while he killed a shitload of badguys, what absolutely killed it was all the kills in slow-mo.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 9:21 a.m. CST

    I bet Prince Harry will be first in line opening weekend...

    by rbatty024

    for this film. What a Nazi loving son of a bitch. <p> As for the torture porn discussion, I tend to agree with the term. I think it comes from the disparity in power between the victim and the assailant. While in other films there was at least an opportunity to run or fight back, in torture porn films the point is to linger on how helpless the victim is. <p> Besides, the films haven't been terribly good. I watched the first Saw and thought my intelligence was being insulted by all of the plot holes. It also wasn't terribly scary. After that I figured I've seen all torture porn really has to offer.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Prince harry doesn't need to queue

    by Lost Jarv


  • Jan. 19, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST

    christmas tree sodomy

    by El Borak

    and a new talkback name is born.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 9:58 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    What Jarv said. <p> Or, in a simpler fashion: <p> Last Tango in Paris and European Bukkake #3. Both feature sex as a central ingredient, but are both porn? If not, then WHY not?

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    My pleasure. Can't beat mutant Nazi dwarf zombies eating themselves or Reb Brown shrieking like a girl while racing a golf cart in a spaceship.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    yes, that was a touch pretentious of me

    by Lost Jarv


  • Jan. 19, 2009, 10:20 a.m. CST

    hold on a second

    by Lost Jarv

    I've missed the most important point: <P>There's European Bukkake #3? I didn't even know there was 1 or 2.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    our pilot hero shouting half his lines

    by just pillow talk

    and yelling "yeeeaaarrrrggghhh!" before launching into battle was pure gold. <p>And I will stand by my words that the space golf cart enforcer thingies chase scene is the GREATEST chase scene ever caught on film.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 10:30 a.m. CST

    I want a twonky

    by Lost Jarv

    I've been reading that AMAD article and I wish my Telly would light cigarettes for me.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 10:35 a.m. CST

    and it does your household shit

    by Lost Jarv

    I definately want one. I don't care that it's a time travelling Alien from the future.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST

    It has to do until thursday

    by Lost Jarv

    The pro is that it is about Nazi Snow Zombies, which is a very changian startnig point. <P>The con is that it is also about Sundance which sucks asshole.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 10:44 a.m. CST


    by Lost Jarv

    apparently Anna Valerious, she the Kos play queen of the Sommersverse has high level Autism/ Asperger's syndrome. <P>I almost feel bad for being so rude about her now. <P>Almost.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 10:45 a.m. CST

    It's like an episode of Just Shoot Me

    by Lost Jarv

    when the one with big tits was berating the other annoying one for dumping a blind guy, and her defence was that "it wasn't because he's blind. It's because he's a jerk". <P>That's kind of how I feel about Valerious.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 10:46 a.m. CST


    by Lost Jarv

    I hope I don't get banned for that.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Paul Blart: Mall Zombie

    by The_joker

    Will Rawwwk!

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Cosplay from a while back

    by Lost Jarv

    I would post the link but I don't want to be responsible for vomit stained keyboards across the civilised world. It ain't pretty. <P>Anyway I can't find it. <P>Autistic from that thread on the right which I clicked by accident.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 11:41 a.m. CST

    by Lost Jarv

    that extreme makeover one.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Dead Snow 2: Hitler on Ice

    by Stalkeye

    Directed by Mel Brooks. I'd pay to see that shit. XD

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 11:49 a.m. CST

    No mention of Dead Set?

    by Stalkeye


  • Jan. 19, 2009, 11:52 a.m. CST

    I've seen Dead Set, stalkeye,

    by Lost Jarv

    and it's OK. It isn't the second coming, and it's a bit too self referentially masturbatory for it's own good, not to mention I'm sick of psuedo documentary style, but as a Zombie thriller it's got it's moments.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Comedy horror

    by ScaryJim

    I watched 'Baghead' (where's the love AICN???) the other day, not strictly comedy in the way that the people in it act the way your mates do and the main crux of the story is the emotional bond you feel between the characters. By the time it turns into a 'horror' you really don't want it to be. Favourite trad horror comedy has to be Fido, American werewold in London and *hides* Cabin fever. The ruins is indeed very shit, Otis as a horror comedy is quite shit. Outpost as a Nazi undead film was quite shit. I have a feeling that despite being foreign Dead Snow will still be.. quite shit.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, noon CST

    Cabin Fever blows a fat one.

    by Lost Jarv

    The only positive thing that can possibly be said about it is that it looks like Citizen Kane next to the rest of that dickhead Roth's contribution to world culture.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Dead set?

    by ScaryJim

    Oh yeah! Dead set! As a Brit, who loves charlie Brooker, Nathan Barley and all, zombies and is easily pleased - I have to say Dead set was very dissapointing in it's straight down the line ness.. I'd given up by episode 5. We need epic zombie action now, I really hope World War Z makes a good go of it, the books great.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 12:08 p.m. CST

    oh...what the fuck is this? A substitute home?


    Like a brothel/halfway house?

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST


    by Wyr

    Treevenge is done by Jason Eisener. Probably best known for creating Hobo With a Shotgun. So of course it's good.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Greatest. Movie. Never. Made. <p> "Jerk on this, you child-molestin' shitburger!" <p> *BLAM!!!* <p> Solid GOLD.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Hobo With A Shotgun


    So its just a trailer? Thats all they have made? Do they plan on making a film to go along with it? It still doesn't beat Run Bitch Run for me..... <p>

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Everbody steals ideas

    by Xiphos_2

    Nothing, except for the mighty Arizona Cardinals going to the Superbowl, is truly orginal. What truly matters is in the execution of the stolen swag.<p> A new twist or fresh take on an existing idea goes a long way in selling ownership over an idea. That's what seperates the men from the boys. Well that and a good lawyer.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST

    My Two Cents: (How Wes Craven Killed Horror)

    by Ray Gamma

    When Wes Craven made "Scream", (ostensibly an original take on the horror genre where such movies are referenced and sent-up throughout the script) he unwittingly unleashed a decade of appallingly cheap slasher horror films, all of which clearly missed the point. </P> <P> It still amazes me that a spoof ("Scary Movie" in 2000) was made which tried to lampoon "Scream". That's like taking a Xerox photocopy and then photocopying it again 20 times, and then taking the final copy and drawing it on another piece of paper, which you then fax to a blind person.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Stelers will lose

    by Xiphos_2

    Not worried, the last time the Cards and Steelers met, the Cards wailed on them, bad. Last season the Cards were not anywhere near as good as they are at this moment.<p> The Cards head coach used to be the Offensive Coordinator of the Steelers and he knows Rothlesbergers tendencies, strengths and weaknesses. Also, there are something like 15, in total, coaches and players with current or near current, ties to Pittsburg, advantage Big Red. The other way? none I believe.<p>Vader, I wasn't specifically talking about your idea, I was refering to ideas in general.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 3:59 p.m. CST

    STEELERS WILL DOMINATE!!! John fucking Stallworth baby!!


  • Jan. 19, 2009, 4 p.m. CST

    That guy doesn't look like John Cusack to me.

    by briantag

    Looks like a guy who sort of maybe kind of looks a little like John Cusack might have looked in person 20 years ago, but isn't actually him. Maybe it's him, and the fact that it doesn't look like him means it's authentic. But it doesn't look like it's him. But I don't know him, so what do I know?

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 4:39 p.m. CST

    My predictions are for shit, but I hope Steelers win

    by toadkillerdog

    Sorry Xi. I will not be suprised if Cards win though. Looks like 1999 Rams all over again with one glaring exception that could turn game either way. James is not Marshall Faulk

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Pornography is porn

    by Eyegore

    Porn is porn. That's it. The rest is bullshit.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 8:39 p.m. CST

    CGI Gore.

    by bastard_guy180

    The CGI gore looks atrocious in this trailer. There's 0 reason to ever use CGI gore aside from laziness. It just looks cheap and awful.

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 9:01 p.m. CST

    old idea...

    by darthwaz1

    the 70's movie "shock waves" starring peter cushing also had nazi zombies...get a fucking clue people..

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Another great recent horror-com...

    by Johnny Ahab

    "THE COTTAGE" starring Andy Serkis. A British film about 2 nobs who kidnap a mobster's daughter for ransom that goes horribly wrong - with a mutated axe-wielding farmer throw in the mix. Netflixed it a few months back and laughed my ass off. Has a great, sick end kicker too. Check it out...

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    I have a review of "Against the Dark" online now

    by Mavra Chang

    Yes, that is the Seagal movie (and with Keith David, though sadly not David Keith). <p>

  • Jan. 19, 2009, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Nazi Zombies...Not a new idea at all....

    by Quake II

    The movie looks cool and I am anxious to see it, but Nazi Zombies? Let's see...Zombie Lake, Shockwaves, Outpost. Three movies off the top of my head that are about Nazi Zombies.

  • Jan. 20, 2009, 2:14 a.m. CST


    by Lost Jarv

    wow. Profound. I think we can stop the debate on Torture Porn forever now that confuscious is in the room.

  • Jan. 20, 2009, 2:14 a.m. CST

    The problem with surrogate non-twitch homes

    by Lost Jarv

    is that not everyone knows where they are.

  • Jan. 20, 2009, 2:16 a.m. CST


    by Lost Jarv

    Scream was necessary. Remember the rotten state of Horror before it? <P>What followed was, sadly, all too predictable and fucking depressing and totally led to the rise of Torture Porn.

  • Jan. 20, 2009, 2:17 a.m. CST

    hmm. Looks like I'm going to have to split my time

    by Lost Jarv

    between this and the Ong Bak thread. <P>How annoying.

  • Jan. 20, 2009, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Evil Dead 2!

    by Hamtaro Hentai

    I don't think anyone has mentioned it yet. <p> And another vote for 'Paul Blart: Mall Zombie'

  • Jan. 20, 2009, 4:12 a.m. CST

    obvious. Why didn't I think of that.

    by Lost Jarv

  • Jan. 20, 2009, 5:38 a.m. CST

    RIP Monsters HD

    by Stalkeye

    That was one of the best Cable channels ever.Uncensored Horror Movies 247 in HD has returned to the grave thanks to some litigation bullshit.Fuck Cablevision!

  • Jan. 20, 2009, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Series 7

    by Mavra Chang

    If you should happen to find this post, I found "The Escapist", which I believe you were looking for. <p>

  • Jan. 20, 2009, 9:23 a.m. CST

    The distinction between horror and terror

    by digital_soul

    The distinction between horror and terror is a standard literary and psychological concept applied especially to Gothic literature and film. Horror is the feeling of revulsion that usually occurs after something frightening is seen, heard, or otherwise experienced. It is the feeling one gets after coming to an awful realization or experiencing a deeply unpleasant occurrence. By contrast, terror is usually described as the feeling of dread and anticipation that precedes the horrifying experience. In other words, horror is more related to being shocked or scared, while terror is more related to being anxious or fearful. Anne Radcliffe first made the distinction and if you go along with it then it places films (and novels) like Rosemary's Baby more in the tradition of terror than horror (which was an intellectually superior tradition in Radcliffe's eyes) and films such as the recent Eden Lake in the tradition of horror. A horror comedy then, by this definition would have to both make you laugh, whilst subjecting you to something deeply unpleasent. I think if you look at the pulp horror mags like Tales from the crypt, they tried to do exactly that, but very few movies have succeeded. I'd say John Landis has scored twice with AWiL and Thriller and the first Evil Dead gets the balance pretty spot on (ED2 veers too far into commedy IMO). Also, nobody has mentioned The Beyond. Its been a while since Ive seen it though and perhaps that is also too much a comedy.

  • Jan. 20, 2009, 9:36 a.m. CST

    ^^^^ Great fucking post

    by Lost Jarv

    good work.