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Hercules Endorses JUNO Screenwriter Diablo Cody’s Ginchy New Showtime Series UNITED STATES OF TARA!!
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I am – Hercules!!
A sitcom about a married artist and mother who decides to stop taking the medication that inhibits her multiple-personality disorder, Showtime’s “The United States of Tara” is the first project from screenwriter Diablo Cody since she won the best original screenplay Oscar for “Juno.”
It stars Toni Collette (“The Sixth Sense,” “Little Miss Sunshine”), John Corbett (“Northern Exposure,” “My Big Fat Greek Wedding”), Rosemary DeWitt (“Mad Men,” “Rachel Getting Married”), Brie Larson (“13 Going On 30”), Kier Gilchrist (“The Winner”), Nate Corddray (“The Daily Show,” “Studio 60”) and Patton Oswalt (“The King of Queens,” “Ratatouille”).
We meet three of Tara’s alternate personalities during the first four episodes provided for review:
1) “Buck,” rowdy male redneck;
2) “T,” rowdy, sex-crazed teen; and
3) “Alice,” repressed retro homemaker.
The personalities come out in reaction to specific kinds of stresses. Are there more inside Tara? The first stories offer no hints.
To anticipate the question, Tara has stopped taking her meds because, among other things, they inhibit her sex drive.
While the alternative personalities can be a little too broadly drawn and two-dimensional for my taste, there’s a lot to love here, especially among the supporting cast. Larson is cheerable as the teen daughter determined to press prim Alice’s buttons, and I found myself marveling at Corddry as the worldly twentysomething restaurant manager apparently trying to work his way stealthfully into that teen daughter’s pants.
I’m just grateful Cody has been afforded 12 half-hours of uncensored Showtime canvas to play with. In one running subplot, Tara’s presumably homosexual son helps out with the local church’s intolerant Halloween haunted house he clearly disdains in an effort to court the handsome preacher’s son. The series’ unusually observant and casually subversive nature is beguiling.
While I’m here I should say I’m a big fan of the new seasons of two other pay-cable comedies returning tonight, namely “Secret Diary of a Call Girl” and “Flight of the Conchords.” You’re advised to DVR the lot.
USA Today says of “United States of Tara”:
… Collette's performance is, in its own way, a tiny masterpiece. The show is fun as is, but rise to Collette's level, and it could be great. …
The New York Times says:
… Unfortunately for Ms. Collette, the roles of Tara’s children are so deftly written and skillfully played that they undermine her own star turn — Tara has four personalities and is one-dimensional in all of them. Her alters are caricatures, and while grotesque exaggeration may all too often be the case in real life, a drama requires more subtlety. … has a big premise and some wonderful small touches, but strangely, Tara is the least of them.
The Los Angeles Times says:
… while it's generally entertaining, there are times when it seems too obviously invented. … Collette, and the show, is always most interesting when she's just Tara. That is, the person with layers.
The Chicago Tribune says:
… There's a shift in the show's fourth episode; the dialogue is toned down and the characters start to come alive a bit. Cody and Collette, when harnessing their unique and undeniable talents in the direction of spiky, complicated truths, are a compelling combination. If the show keeps heading in the right direction, getting to know the many faces of Tara could be an interesting ride.
The Washington Post says:
… funny, poignant, crazy and sane … Whatever it is, it's fascinating, the television equivalent of the book you can't put down and maybe the jigsaw puzzle you never quite complete. But you keep trying. … Even the continuing characters that don't pop out of Tara are fresh and inventively drawn -- Tara's rueful and patient husband Max, played by easygoing John Corbett; her adolescent daughter Kate (Brie Larson), who struggles with all her might to understand and persevere; and her neo-nerdy teenage son, who has risen to the challenge with endearing maturity. …
The San Francisco Chronicle says:
… brims with great acting, humor and a disarming amount of tenderness. It's one of those series with overabundant potential and early hints of provocative brilliance, but it may take a while to truly arrive. … This is a series that's tackling a difficult subject with humor and warmth, but also from a fresher angle. Who knows, ultimately, how successful the series will be after the 12-episode season, but for fans of quality television, the reward is always in the trying.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette says:
… succeeds through humor, vivid characters and a stunning performance by Collette … features less self-consciously hip dialogue than "Juno," but it is still a Cody-esque repository of obscure references, including the '80s sitcom "Small Wonder" and this dialogue from Kate: "Sometimes I feel like I'm living in some kind of Lifetime lady tampon movie." …
The Boston Globe says:
… I'm on board with "Tara," but so far mostly for the supporting characters, whose number expands in the coming weeks to include a self-empowered "Vita-self" saleswoman who is overly curious about Tara's disorder. …
The Hollywood Reporter says:
… breaks new ground when it comes to warped dramatic family comedy … Blessed with dazzling acting and the dynamic pen of creator-exec producer Diablo Cody (Oscar winner for "Juno," no one-trick pony) …
Variety says:
… Although it flirts with the preciousness that proved an irritant in the Cody-scripted "Juno," there's an innate sweetness at the show's core that essentially says people become inured to all manner of strangeness in the context of family -- even a woman with four disparate personalities. … whatever the show's modest shortcomings, this is unabashedly a vehicle for a star who brings meaning to the notion of having personality aplenty -- and then some.
"The United States of Tara": 10 p.m. Sunday. Showtime.
"Flight of the Conchords": 10 p.m. Sunday. HBO.
"Secret Diary of a Call Girl: 10:30 p.m. Sunday. Showtime.
Diablo Cody In Paperback!!
"I love love love DR. HORRIBLE’S SING-ALONG BLOG as much or more than just about anything I’ve seen this year." -- Harry Knowles
Diablo Cody In Paperback!!
"I love love love DR. HORRIBLE’S SING-ALONG BLOG as much or more than just about anything I’ve seen this year." -- Harry Knowles
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is it better than season 1? because i thought that was not very good.
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might be better, but if you didn't like the first I doubt you'd be into the second.
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...some 'edgy' take on suburban living? This shit got tired with American Beauty. Then there's 'Six Feet Under', 'Weeds', 'Big Love'. When the whole act went mainstream with Desperate Housewives it was time to finally move on, but here we are again examining the same lame cliches. The gay son? Please. I can just see the meeting where they decided on that one. 'It just doesn't feel... edgy enough. Does it feel edgy to you Frank?' 'We could make the son a queer - that's pretty edgy.' 'Aw that's edgy Frank!' But then this is from the screenwriter who gave us the unbelievably smarmy and derivative Juno, which was basically the final, corporately adopted death knell of the cutesy retro indie aesthetic that started with Wes Anderson in the mid nineties, so I shouldn't have expected originality. (End of rant)
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I'll stick to my BSG and Lost thanks.
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i was on the fence about "usot" until i read this. patton fucking oswalt can elevate anything just by his mere presence (except for maybe king of queens.) i've seen him live on the comedians of comedy tour a couple years back, guy's a fucking genius. on another note, does this mean we won't be seeing rosemarie dewitt on mad men for a very very long time?!
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This show is like kryptonite for anyone with a cock. And it has Diablo Cody smarmy, pop-culture-reference-laden stench all over it. And it's going to set the field of abnormal psych back about 30 years by using mental illness as a gimmick. Please brothers, avoid this piece of fuck.
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Enough already. Juno was on HBO last night and that first 15 minutes might be the most annoying dialogue ever put onscreen.
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The problem I have is that this is a serious issue, but Cody ignored the serious issues when writing Juno. Why should I think she can pull this off?
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Unless it's a lame sitcom starring a stand-up comic. But those are just pandering. "Smarmy" is a pretty accurate word to describe "Diablo"'s writing but having dated a stripper and been in that whole stripper culture, it's nice to see one make something of herself, even if it's in writing overly sarcastic shit that tries too hard to be edgy.
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that a popular show like Conchords gets a second season when John from Cincinnati couldn't hold onto a Sopranos lead-in. What was HBO thinking?
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I want to punt Juno into a fucking canal. Sorry, Diablo Cody.
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I'm being sarcastic!
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Jan 18, 2009 10:04:14 AM CST
Flavor of the month Cody burns out and gets suicidal.
by evilwizardglick
Winds up on her knees crawling from table to table, like Winehouse, looking for drinks.
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Kind of short to establish the premise and intricacies isn't it?
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The whole conversation with the cross dressing kid about making a decision was better than damn near any parent child conversation on tv.
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Hollywood Vs America. I'm so tired of it.
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America created Hollywood. They were outcasts in their suburban hometowns and so they flocked to an area where their kind rules. They don't hate America. They are exiled from it and secretly jealous by those that thrive in obscurity. It's also why they are fascinated by the "dark" side of bland day-to-day life. So fascinated by it that they frequently created in the absence of it.
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Netflix and my Roku player. Can't say I was impressed at all, and before anyone accuses me I am no Diablo hater, I enjoyed Juno a lot, although I didn't think it was an Oscar worthy script.
Maybe it gets better after the first episode, but nothing about it rang true to me, and there was something weirdly unintentionally postmodern ironic about a mature woman pretending to be a teenage girl and speaking in some weird impersonation of what a teenager should sound like. When the character and dialogue are created by a mature woman who, well you get where I am going, it is almost like a circle of annoyance that probably leads to hell, or more likely cancelation, although Spielberg and Diablo should have enough name power for it to get initial high ratings before it drops off and doesn't get a second season. -
What a talentless hack. GodDAMN, she's awful.
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AICN is slipping big-time in 2009
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Mental illness is where the funny is at.
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juno hating mofos when i was shitting on it last year?? but but the girl that wrote it used to show her box for a dollar! wow
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Where's the love? I know you basement dwelling nerds pull it to this show like monkey's watching the banana channel!
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Really? Huh?
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100% favorable on rotten tomatoes
"unusually intelligent comedy" -- Roger Ebert
$140 million U.S.
WGA Award best original screenplay
Oscar, best original screenplay
My appreciation for "Juno" deepens each time I watch it.
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Jan 18, 2009 6:22:17 PM CST
"My appreciation for "Juno" deepens each time I watch it.".
by rainbowtrout1265
Does it really? Honest to blog?
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Don't be one of these talkbackers who throw out personal insults to people who have differing tastes than you. I don't call you a fucking douchebag for writing masturbatory stories about TV shows like Big Love and The Real World. You might have a lot of cocks you have to suck to get paid but that doesn't mean you have to personally insult people who disagree with you.Juno was fucking obnoxious.
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No nominations for ZODIAC, yet JUNO picks up four. How much credibility could the fuckers have? "Unusually intelligent"? JUNO is one of the dumbest fuckin' movies I've ever seen. Ebert needs to go off his fuckin' meds or switch to a stronger prescription. That guy is fuckin' crazy these days.
JUNO wasn't all bad, though. I got a few chuckles out of J.K. Simmons at least. But, damn, the dialogue is fucking terrible. -
I'm pretty sure I was tearing this movie a new asshole about this time last year. Man, I need to learn to let that shit go.
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Of course Hollywood hates the suburbs; that is why they are in Hollywood. The writers and directors from the suburbs (and small town America) didn’t fit it those places: to them, they are symbols of small-mindedness and conformity. Just like how those who stayed behind view Hollywood as a symbol of debauchery, decadence and shallowness. Neither side can really relate to the other.
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how do you account for that WGA trophy on Diablo Cody's mantle?
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If Hercules and the others and the others like it, that is fine; to each his own. But personally I found it much more about style then about substance.Diablo Cody's dialogue was so arch and stylized I felt like she was trying to remind the audience every 10 minutes how clever she was. And I never believed Ellen Page; she sounded like a wise ass 36-year old and not at all like 16-year-old who becomes pregnant. She sounded nothing like any of the teenagers I’ve knocked-up, I can tell you that.
But it was an enjoyable movie and it was fun and funny at times. I have no problem with people liking it; I just don't think it deserves all the credit and acclaim that it did get.
Finally, on the subject of 100% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. That might be a good barometer on what is popular, it doesn’t necessarily mean it is good. Remember Hercules, at one time George Bush had a 90% approval rating.
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new Kids on the Block - 80 million sold, huge tours, 2 American Music awards.. they must be awesome too?
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That's how long it took before AICN's fabled talkbackers started in on their ridiculous hatred of Diablo Cody. Kudos, gentlemen. You do your clan proud. Now go jerk off to the half-assed script that is The Dark Knight...
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even the name sucks.. sounds like a tara reid reality show .. that chick doing porn yet?
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Not trying to start an argument or a fight, but just making the statement that awards aren't always given to the best work. I mean, just look at the Academy Awards; I can think of a couple of movies that have gotten hosed over the years. The WGA is just as entitled to make a mistake as the Academy is.
Also, we are dealing with an award for artistic achievement; as you can tell by this talkback, whether a piece of art is good or bad is completely subjective. This isn’t like sports or a boxing match where the better team or fighter will usually win. So that is why I don’t put much credence on awards for films except as a marketing tool.
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the $140 million U.S. gross means it's popular.
the 100% (!) on Rotten Tomatoes means it's good.
another barometer of good? A body composed of 11,000 professional screenwriters choosing "Juno's" original screenplay as the best of the year. -
That I don't see why there is so much hatred directed at Diabo Cody. I might think Juno was slightly overrated, but I have nothing but respect for her success. Personally, I find her an inspirational story; going from stripper and sex phone operator to screenwriter proves anyone, with a degree of talent and dedication, can make it.
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It beat out GoodFellas for the Oscar, and one the WGA best adapted script award. Remember Hercules, just because they are professional screenwriters doesn't mean they have good taste.
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...When I "write "one the WGA" instead of "won the WGA".
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was awesome too
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No, in my opinion it was not.
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This is a really silly conversation. The members of the WGA are no more immune to hype than anyone else. I can happily accept that you enjoyed Juno. Why can you not accept that many of us have valid reasons for criticizing it? The fact that so many people have the same problems with it (contrived dialogue manipulated to capture the zeitgeist, superficial treatment of characters and subject matter, indie cliches by the truckload, overall smugness) should indicate that maybe the critics are onto something. It's not just whiny fanboy hate (I don't go in for that at all), it's reasoned criticism. My take: Juno was the death knell of a period in independent cinema. It took everything that was special about Rushmore and Election, that was then watered down in Little Miss Sunshine and Garden State, and turned it into a cheesy, manufactured, cynical product that Oprah fans would think was interesting and novel. It was a lifestyle movie. A tshirt. A catchphrase. A myspace profile. Something an LA manager would say was 'hot right now' and little more. Your take: You liked it. Both are perfectly valid points. Calling us 'twerps' should be beneath you man. Why isn't it? By the way, I'm a professional screenwriter. Does my opinion count now? Cos it shouldn't make a bit of difference.
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Like I said I'm no 'hater'. And yeah, Dark Knight was an imperfect film with a lot of flaws. But it seems odd that you would attempt to bolster your 'you guys are all haters' argument with a dis against another movie and its fans. Both TDK and Juno are overhyped, of the moment movies... and when the dust settles, history will judge both of them more harshly than their current slavish devotees are prepared to.
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You pretty much summed up all my feelings about JUNO. Some day I'd like to be able to put two coherent thoughts together without having to drop a "fuck" or a "fucking" or "motherfuck" in there somewhere.
And I don't give a rat fuck if people like JUNO. People like what they like. It's no skin off my balls when I hear people bitch about ALIEN³. May they rot in hell, the cocksuckers. -
I like that.
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you can't convince someone spinach tastes good
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WTF? That was the most uniquely written movie I've seen in a long time. Diablo Cody's writing is like John Hughes meets David Mamet.
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That ain't no Etch-A-Sketch. This is one doodle that can't be un-did, Homeskillet.
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Because it was the hot thing to do. benito, I just about want to print your post and hang it on my wall. I don't need to explain myself to anyone here, but come on Herc. Let me put it this way: let's say CSI Miami wins all these damn awards, is consistently number one in the ratings, it personally gave you a blowjob, etc. Does that make it better than, say, Dollhouse or something? I wouldn't say that. Remember in '76 when TAXI DRIVER and ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN were nominated for best picture, and it went to ROCKY? Hell, remember when CRASH won? Juno wasn't for me for all the reasons previously listed, but I can't stand Cody because of what an asshole she comes off as in her writings and blog etc.
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Sounds interesting. Sounds nothing like Juno. But sounds interesting. I think the extent to which a person is annoyed by Juno probably has to do with how finely tuned their 'contrived radar' is and how plugged in they are to pop culture. Juno's dialogue might have sounded 'fresh' to people who take it on face value and dont think about this stuff much, but when you're someone who's very mindful of pop culture trends it feels like the total opposite - its the cloying, market research approved culmination of a distasteful tendency towards self congratulatory quirk that has defined so much of 'indie' culture this decade. A knockoff of a knockoff of a knockoff, sold on a shelf at starbucks next to a light jazz cd for baby boomers. A white collar trust fund kid wearing his 'Stooges' tshirt even though he never listened to the band cos he thinks it makes him look like a rebel. Enjoy it all you want. I have no problem with people liking it. But it's shocking to hear people call it unique.
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Jackie Boy: When Rocky won in for Best Picture in 1976 (1977 Academy Award Ceremony), it not only beat out TAXI DRIVER and ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN, it also beat out NETWORK.
benito: I agree whole-heartedly with what you have written, but in defense of those who call it "unique", remember film is subjective. What one person sees as derivative and stale, another person views as fresh and original. It is how something is packaged and what someone's experiences beforehand that shape their viewpoint. Like you said, I can see how someone else would hear Juno's dialogue as sounding "fresh", but to my ears it sounded like bad teenager version of QT's dialogue: constant pop culture references and witty banter masking the lack of a true character's voice and realism I would expect. -
Juno is a decent movie, but the first 15th minutes are almost unwatchable in their self-aware hipness. It has WAY too much of a Gilmore Girls "nobody except for a post-doctoral linguist is this concisely verbose" feel to it. After that opening, it get's much better.
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When she wins here Emmy, will Cody grab the award and storm off the stage like a pouting teenage drama queen, just like she did at the Oscars? The only thing sadder than her faux hipness is her faux sincerity. I can't wait until someone allows her to actually direct a movie... that should be an epic flameout. Until then, we'll just have to suffer through her 'mediocrity masquerading as art' routine. Oh wait, I forgot, she's a fresh new voice in Hollywood. Nevermind.
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Juno is only at 100% under "Top Critics" and that doesn't mean anything. And 81% on metacritic.com.
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Which is respectable but not a home run. I thought it was pretty overrated too. I might have liked it a little better if not for the horrible lead actress.
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God bless, sir. And after hating "Juno" so much I nearly ran from the theater I tried, in the interest of fairness, to read "Candy Girl". It's much, much worse. Bateman and Garner deserved the Oscars for "Juno" for managing to turn what they were given on the page into recognizable humans. And yes I know that's a seperate thought but I post infrequently and keep forgetting how to make paragraph breaks.
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They wouldn't let me run I'm afraid. Something about not being a citizen. Let's hope this other guy can pull something out of the bag.
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Roger Ebert is probably the best known if not the most respected of the "Top Critics". He wrote Beyond The Valley Of the Dolls, loved Spawn, and gave thumbs up to both Garfield movies. Fuck Top Critics!!
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But wouldn't alternate personalities in someone afflicted with this actually be one-dimensional, or broad? I mean they're not real people, just invented creations of someone's mind. So they'd be kind of limited caricatures. But like I say I'm clueless, that's just kind of my initial thought.
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It was a little bit on the grade of one of those old ABC Afterschool Specials but with a higher budget.
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because shes a girl. Oh, shit, that was within the first two paragraphs! Damn you, McWeeny. God DAMN you.
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reminds me of that study that was done on Raging Bull, the large number of critics who gave it a fair to middling grade at the time of release who ten years later named it one of the best films of the 1980s. Time will tell with Juno *shrug*
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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with the music of "Juno" than the dialogue. I watched it this weekend, trying to give it a chance, but the movie just made me cringe with the exception of her father (who always seems to be having a good time in whatever role I see him in). But that music...jesus, it was like someone heard Janis Ian and thought, "Let's make it...QUIRKY!"
And as for Juno making millions of dollars, by that scale, Titantic is the greatest movie of all time, right? I mean, it wouldn't be possible for a shitty movie to make a lot of money, and a great movie to go unnoticed, right? No wonder this site is interviewing fucking Soulja Boy. -
...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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...accusations of misogyny for everyone who didnt like JUNO and doesnt like Cody. I cant understand why anybody is surprised by the reaction on here,if Cody were a dude,noone would.she's a movie geek,she's written a genre pic,she's an overnight sensation and she talks smack on the internet-people, she is Kevin Smith and she doesn't need you to rush to her defence.if she hadnt written JUNO she would be in here,snarking and bitching about it with the rest of us.That beng said, why isnt anyone talking about TARA?I cant see it because im in th UK but based on the clips its pretty awful. Am I right in thinking that if you liked JUNO you will dig this (hence the positive response)?If so, that movie is a long way off being reappraised and I fear that Cody will be around for many years come. Mind you, I thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was serioulsy overrated but really liked 6FU. Maybe TARA will do the same for me (I like Collette).I will probably always see Cody as a pillock though. And whatever you think of the stripping thing (I make no moral judgment,personaly) it doesnt appear to be a case of 'she was a po' stripper who pulled herself up by the bootstraps' Cody was always lower-middle class, she stripped for a lark, so she could write about it...
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Uh, is your computer having a seizure or something? 32 posts of the same thing is kinda overkill.
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That has to be the biggest multi post I've ever seen on AICN. Made me literally lol.
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what happened to infinate?as for Juno/Diablo Cody...well I've documented my feelings here many times and it's not worth going into, but I think she's a talented writer who doesn't spend time with real teenagers and wrote what she thought teenagers sounded like, or wanted them to sound likeand herc was obviously baiting us
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and like Mori before him when we last discussed Juno and Cody, they bait us, they complain about us, but they are just as bad, throwing out insults and baseless accusations, quoting Rotton Tomatoes (again not the full Rotten Tomatoes just the 'Top Critics'--and how many of those critics have actually spent time with small midwestern teenagers?), and then when one or more of us responds with an intelligent response they don't come back and defend their accustions and or thoughtsit's all hype and baiting
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Im sorry guys. im on a cellphone and i kept getting a disconnected message.its not even like a short post,its long and rambling.im mortified.God, where are the mods...?i dont want to go down as the mentalist who *really* hated JUNO. I thought it was average.let me try posting this just the once...jesus fuck
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that the film was overrated. I enjoyed the film and thought it had its moment, and some of the characters weren't the easy caricatures they could have been. In other words, it was a watered down Wes Anderson film.
One thing I find disappointing is the fact that Diablo Cody is recycling the older man trying to get with the young teen storyline. If you're already cannibalizing your own work at this point then that means you might have a very short lived career. Also, the whole stripper thing is overplayed. Who gives a fuck. -
.....but that doesn't mean its badly written. I think its an okay screenplay. The hatred comes from the fact that she won a fucking Oscar for that shit. If that hadn't have happened.....no one would be bitching about the cunt.
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It's a good film; but despite Herc's strenuous defense, it was indeed a bit overrated. It was that year's "Little Miss Sunshine"; a weirdly dark (at times) but also overly-precious movie with some funny lines but also self-indulgent diatribes which seem shallow upon repeat viewings. Some of the character's seem less genuine when watched a second time (or third...or fourth). Not being in love with this film does NOT mean someone "doesn't get it" or is somehow less clever than the Academy or SAG voters; it merely means that clever turns of phrase do not always imbue a film with richness (or successfully define a character). The one post on this board that nailed it was the person who said that Ellen wasn't a convincing 16 year old. She's a good actress but it's true; the script did not let her be her age...it forced her to be a wordly, too-knowing charicature of Daria-like angst and confusion.
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The only reason Juno received the attention it did and got the oscar nom is because Diablo was a stripper and it makes a great Hollywood story, bad girl makes good writing a screenplay, skags to riches. I also surmise that all the geeks in Hollywood such as Steven Speilberg think it would be so cool to work with an ex-stripper. The fact that Juno an ok, but way overrated film was nominated for a best picture oscar when the truly wonderful and underrated 'Once' a real independent film went unnoticed is a crime.
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... but I actually *watched* UNITED STATES OF TARA last night, and it was pretty good. Certainly good enough for me to stick with it a few more episodes to see where it leads... which is more than I can say for most of the shite being produced on network television these days.
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...meaning her OVERRATEDNESS is completely off-the-charts. JUNO was cute... but nothing that special. Snarky dialogue makes a great screenwriter these days, I guess.
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Jan 19, 2009 11:40:07 AM CST
Little Miss Sunshine is 10 times the film Juno is.....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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The only reason why I watched this douchefest that was Juno, because my Wife wanted to see what the hype was all about.All I can say is that I want over 90 minutes of my life back. Suck ass dialog and not to mention that annoying accoustic song at the end. (which is now used for some commercial..*UGH*)I could care less if she was a stripper (Vern AKA Capt save-a-ho got overly defensive when some of the TBers made fun of her former proffesion.Calm the fuck down bro.)I'd devote my time to watching another PWSA Movie than anything from both Diablo Cody or Kevin Smith again.
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Nothing special, indeed. Perhaps not as bad as the deplorable Garden State, but fuck it. The 'dress up your cynicism with lifestyle accessories and a cute turn of phrase' vibe I get from it...kind of makes me sick. Wes Anderson wrote worthwhile comedies and integrated the 'quirkiness' into the visual scheme of his movies...as opposed to just cramming interiors full of "neat" stuff (signifying a suspect hipness) and cramming characters' mouths with 'witty' asides. And yeah, it's not misogynist to dislike a movie that was written by a woman who (can't wait to let you know that she) was a stripper. It's far more misogynist to freak out because, holy shit, a STRIPPER was able to write a SCREENPLAY??? I love that the whole thing's presented as this 'hard luck' tale as though a certain (idealized) IDEA of sex workers doesn't have a certain cache in the present culture. I'll congratulate the lady, however, on what I take to be shrewd pragmatism, as evident in her rise to success as in the calculated dialogue she writes.
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Hollywood loves to get sleazy sometimes. Heck, they gave a best director Oscar to a rapist. Doesn't get any better than that.
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I totally agree. I blame that fucking hack Jason Reitman for that mess. The most fake looking interior sets I've ever seen in my life. Ghost Rider interiors looked more like actual people lived there.
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According to wikipedia, Reitman cites directors Stanley Kubrick, Kevin Smith, Wes Anderson, Richard Linklater, Alexander Payne, and Paul Thomas Anderson as his influences. Huh? Eh? A cobbled-together & opportunistic style, to be sure. How do people with no visual sense even get to be directors? Guess it helps if your dad directed Ghostbusters...
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why is that always mentioned. its not like its a hard thing to do. and you dont have to be a knockout to get hired. and lots of chicks do it for xtra money. college aint cheap. who gives a fuck.
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Jan 19, 2009 1:21:14 PM CST
alice 13 -- she gives a fuck. Its her gimmick...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....and it fucking worked. That is why people freak the fuck out and call her whore, cunt, etc. Not because of the fact that she was a stripper, but because of the fact that she will use that as her gimmick to advance herself for the rest of her fucking life.
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I'll tell you why. Because what's good for the goose is good for the gander. And when the gander is largely geek fanboys frothing at the mouth about Batman, I feel a certain degree of defensive invective in the name of Juno and/or Cody is appropriate. PARTICULARLY as, you point out, both films are largely overhyped. I like Juno and I'll admit it was overhyped. Because unlike the majority of the fanboys I can be reasonable about the things I like. And yeah, that's a generalization. I AM a talkbacker, aren't I?
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Yeah. Maybe she needed that at first, but I think the ACADEMY AWARD will do a better job of advancing herself for the rest of her fucking life than her past as a stripper.
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Juno was nominated for four Oscars. Including Best Director??? Really? I mean I know 2007 sucked the big one, but may as well give Jude Apatow a best directing nod if your gonna give it to a son of a once good director. The problem with Juno is everyone sat around and acted like it was this OUT OF NO WHERE indie hit, where they got by on a shoe string budget. I think it cost like 11 million to make or something. It reminds me of the Chris Rock joke about Blair Witch Project costing only $22,000, well someone is walking around with $21,000 in their pocket. I mean "My appreciation for "Juno" deepens each time I watch it." Really? The other thing about Juno is that no one is willing to tell the empire they have no clothes. Every fucking critic and movie person loves it, no one except us twerps have ever said anything against it. Fuck Juno, watch Lake of Fire instead, starting with Brook Busey (man wouldn't that be great if it turned out she was Gary's daughter?).
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The Kevin Smith comparison, besides the fact that they look the same. But I mean did Cody direct her first film with a bunch of nobodies? And I guess I miss the point in Smiths career when everyone went gaga over his first films and he got deals out of his ass for anything he wanted to do? Also Kevin Smith used actors who stared in after school specials, he didn't make an after school special. Also Kevin Smith is funny, something Cody is lacking. And so is Rainn Wilson outside of the Office.
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Naaaawwww.....Oscar cred only lasts for 2 maybe 3 years, and than its pretty much lost. Sure they always put up the ACADEMY AWARD WINNER title on your trailers-- but really....does it mean anything to you when they call Al Pacino an Academy Award Winner, and you look it up and see he won for Scent of a Woman? Or Tommy Lee Jones for The Fugitive.....seriously, what the fuck? Awards are forgotten very quickly.
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....I fucking despise the guy's work, but fuck that.......that dude hasn't had a damn thing handed to him. He was never really overhyped or overexposed or gimmicky or any of that. He did was he enjoys doing, it used to be better than it is now-- but he is still doing exactly what he wants to be doing and gives little regard to reviews or box office, so for that I respect him a hell of a lot more than this chick. Oh yeah....and his earlier works were.....what is that word? ORIGINAL.
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Like I tried to say earlier, I have nothing personally against Diablo Cody, Kevin Smith or even against Eli Roth or Rob Zombie. They are able to get their films made or have success in Hollywood, good for them. What I can't stand is that somehow someone's work can't be criticized. Sorry, but I am not just going to smile and keep my mouth shut when someone goes on praising Juno or Hostel or any of their shit (Same thing with Dances with Wolves; sorry Herc, but I think it was overrated at the time and still do). Anything is open to criticism, even Citizen Kane and the Seven Samurai. These are not special needs directors who need coddling.
The other thing I will not do is criticizing someone’s work based on his or her personality, appearance gender, or background. The way you judge an artist is by his art, not his attitude or personal life story, especially if such things are not relevant to the work being judged. One of my favorite directors is Sam Peckinpah and by all accounts he was a miserable, misogynistic SOB, but that doesn't prevent me from loving the WILD BUNCH or BRING ME THE HEAD OF ALFREDO GARCIA. You might dislike the filmmaker for personal reasons, but that should have little impact on you opinion of their work.
Of course there are exceptions to this. I don't care how good of filmmaker Leni Riefenstahl was or how many great films she made; I will always hate the woman for being a Nazi propagandist and Hitler supporter.
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she plays down the fact that she spent 1 yr as a stripper, if asked she says yeah i did it for a yr, but she moves beyond it and doesnt dwell on it...
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"'unusually intelligent comedy'" -- Roger Ebert"
Ebert also loved Crash. I like the guy, but I see no reason to use his opinion as somehow proof of something.
"So if Juno is so poorly written, how do you account for that WGA trophy on Diablo Cody's mantle?"
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Jan 19, 2009 4:28:46 PM CST
So I looked over and Diablo was stealing Kurt Russel's drink
by stuntcock mike
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What I find somewhat fascinating, and what I wonder aloud about, is that I've read the MOST negative criticism about Juno here on AICN. Now, you can sit around and backslap and think that's because AICN talkbackers are more perceptive than other moviegoers or something. But it makes ME wonder if there's a groupthink mentality on here that's just as strong as the one you're accusing moviegoers of having. Or is there something about the film and/or writer that grates against the "typical" AICN talkbacker? I just don't think it's a coincidence that AICN talkbacks are the location of the most anti-Cody and anti-Juno sentiment that I've seen.
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You have to remember that most writers in Hollywood wanted to get out of their one horse towns. Also, many had daddy issues. Explains a lot of scripts. I do agree that problems in suburbia as a focus was trite and tired when American Beauty did it. However, that does not mean that that is where Diablo's focus will dwell. I think a show about an MPD and the people around here coping with it could be interesting.
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I like how you emphasize "smarter than everyone" and "hard to attain". So you like your girls... what? Dumb as a brick and just as easy to lay?
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Don't rate either of them.
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Smith's Movies suck and if being "orginal" is good enough for him to stand aside from Cody the Stripper so be it.Dogma had a interesting premise but the execution was sorely lacking and as for Clerks (the first one that is)it's more like a fanboy documedy than an original idea. My comparisons are justified Danny boy(I dont know which is more nauseating; Juno or Chasing Amy?) because at the end of the day, Cody,Boll,Smith,Emmerich and to a lesser extent Paul WS Anderson and Rob Zombie are fucking hacks.Fin.
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the chick that played Juno isnt hot.. just thought id throw that out there. infact, shes a boring ass brunette
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Jan 19, 2009 6:34:16 PM CST
I would say Boll and Emmerich are the most entertaining....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....of the bunch. And the good part is they don't think they have talent.
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Jan 19, 2009 6:34:51 PM CST
yeah I don't get the attraction to Ellen Paige.....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...do you people also check out the ass on 13 year old boys? Fuck!
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Isn't it better for them to have a crush on Ellen Paige then for them to be trolling for some young boy on the internet? At least this way their child molesting impulses are directed towards a 24-year-old woman who just happens to look like a 13-year old boy.
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...but a reality show about him as he makes a movie would be incredibly entertaining. I would love to hear him directing some actors and explaining to someone what the scene means. That would be priceless.
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I like Hillary Swank. She's got a sweet ass rack and she looked good in that movie The Reaping.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I actually wasn't aware of a juno backlash on AICN. I posted first on the subject in this thread and was delighted to find so many people here agreed with me, but in so doing I was not being affected by groupthink, at least not groupthink unique to this site (juno hate is common elsewhere - see defamers Tara review). That said, no, it doesn't surprise me that a bunch of fanatical movie buffs and pop culture maniacs would have a problem with juno. Like I said earlier, if you're switched onto pop (and especially if you're a young person who grew up in the wes anderson era) you know what this kind of detestable crap is the moment you see it coming at you. Contrary to being a breath of fresh air, it was about five or six years too late, a footnote at the tail end of a fashionable aesthetic trend. It paid lipservice to its themes and its characters were little more than paper thin genre stereotypes. Quirk for quirks sake. Smugness. An american apparel movie. Vacuous to a fault. It reminds me of the end of britpop in the nineties, when all the boybands started mimicking the sound for a while. Or how the Jonas brothers now dress like the Strokes.
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Fanatical movie buffs and pop culture maniacs. Um, so people just like Juno? People who, whether they want to admit it or not, were represented by Juno? Or by Bateman's character, who then turns out to be a bit of an asshole? Is there maybe a little bit of resentment there on the part of the AICN crowd? So with the boyband and Jonas Brothers comments in mind, are you actually talking about the film itself or the hype? The two things are different. It also smacks of indie film hipsterism, that somehow not being "new" or "fresh" makes a film lesser. I mean, the Strokes dress like The New York Dolls. Who dressed like the Rolling Stones. Who dressed like etc. But whatever. I liked it, I wasn't offended by the quirk. I didn't think it was smug or vacuous. I'd take it over 99% of anything done by Richard Kelly or Vincent Gallo or Jim Jarmusch or Aranofsky's first two films, etc.
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I think that's a pretty big stretch to say that our resentment comes from the fact that the film represents us. Though since you bring him up, and for what its worth, Bateman did a great job. He played it totally straight and the film would have benefitted from more of that kind of subtlety (take note Ellen page). My Jonas brothers comment wasn't about the hype but the film itself. As in, its a product derived of a paint by numbers, tick the box, market research approach to creating 'cool'. I understand that could sound like hipsterism as you point out, but please take me at my word when I say that's not the case. It's not about it not being 'new'. I liked darjeeling Limited just fine and that's more of the same from Wes Anderson. The difference is that in the case of Darjeeling there was an honesty there reflected in the work that made it feel genuine. In the case of Juno it felt like a cynical marketing con. I can see the meetings taking place during development and preproduction - hell I've sat in on those sorts of meetings. And again, that's not just about the hype. It's about the movie itself. It makes my skin crawl. Yuck.
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The premise is ridiculous, and the dialogue smacks of everything that was annoying about Juno. I love Toni Collette, but she deserves better--somehow it reminded me of Mrs. Doubtfire, the Series.
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what!!!!Gallo sure, I don't care for his work, but have you SEEN a Jim Jarmusch film? It's not even in the same catagory. Watch DEAD MAN or GHOST DOG or BROKEN FLOWERS, 3 films, 3 different genres, 3 different themes, 3 different leads, 3 amazing movies. wow, I'm speechless...and this coming from someone who watches ALOT of DTV
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Yeah. I noticed the Jim Jarmusch comment too. Yikes.
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Ghost Dog is a home video of Forest Whitaker driving around and listening to CDs. Broken Flowers is Bill Murray pulling his Bill Murray "introspective and wounded" act for the length of a feature film. Coffee and Cigs is a collection of half-good ideas for vignettes mixed in with terrible ideas for vignettes. I don't like the dude's work. Even Dead Man, which I enjoy, doesn't live up to the reputation he has for indie cinema godhood.
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So I guess repeating the same old daddy issue bullshit and coupling it with twee characters and dialogue makes Darjeeling "honest", but Juno building a reputation for quality at independent film fests is somehow cynical? I'm completely aware of how Diablo Cody was marketed as a screenwriter, but what does that have to do with the story? What about a pregnant girl who decides to give up her baby to an infertile couple screams "market research" to you? The overly mannered dialogue is an issue, I grant you. But even that is a purposeful choice that I just don't see as having any connotations of marketing or meetings or writing on assignment. What would the purpose of this marketing be? "Johnson, what do we have on the production slate?" "Well, sir, we have a comic book movie, an action sci-fi, a period romance, and..." "And?" "Oh. Hrm. This little comedy about a strangely mannered pregnant girl." "Well, shit, THAT sounds like a money-maker!"
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I think it was the whole 'look how clever I am!' writing that really turned me off. Just annoying as hell.
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Yes. It does sound like a money maker. This isn't the little film that could - that's just more of the same hype. Every year Fox Searchlight happens to have a little film that could on their hands that ends up leading the charge at the Oscars. Funny that, isn't it? Almost like they have a business strategy. And I haven't mentioned a damn word about how Diablo Cody herself was marketed, because I don't have to and I don't care. As you said, the overly mannered dialogue is an issue. It sure is. So is the music, the photography, the superficiality, the bizarre character choices, the art direction. It's not about it being the story of a pregnant teenager - that could make a great film. It's about it being an exercise in twee myspace hipsterism from start to finish. It's the whole aesthetic that's questionable. Like I said, Juno is the logical endpoint of a stylistic movement. Its just that whatever substance that movement may have once had has now been sucked out and replaced by quirk for the sake of quirk. As for Wes Anderson, my whole point was that he's doing more of the same these days. It's a problem, perhaps. But when I watch his movies I still feel like they're made by a filmmaker who lives and breathes that stuff. He's not following anyones playbook but his own. So its less of a problem than with Juno, which is derivative crap. The film itself IS marketing. It is an act of condescension to a demographic.
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Cody's writing was pretty over-rated. It was a studio film, disguised as an indy. It's like buying a brand new pair of jeans that already have that "worn-in" look...It seemed as though the WGA wanted to manufacture a moment for her...the same way the Academy wanted to manufacture a Roberto Benigni moment with his Oscar win. Hercules, equating money with artistic success is a red herring...money never really tells the truth. X3 made more bank than it's predecessors, and that film was shit!
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so i dont care to watch the show
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Actually he's as bad as Boll.. actually he's worse. Can you say "Cabin Fever"?Fuck AICN for endorsing this shithead.As for Anderson, yeah he's a hack but atleast I enjoyed Event Horizon and Mortal Kombat. (despite the lame ass PG-13 rating.)As for Resident Evil...well, um, ahh..uhh.
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thought Juno was very so-so. A 3-out-of-5 star movie, that got WAY more attention then it deserved. I wasn't going to bother watching this show, but happened to catch it last night, and was pleasantly surprised. Toni C did a great job, and the oh-so-cute dialog wasn't overbearing, like it quickly became in Juno. I'll keep watching.
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By which I mean: the show that no one on the site cares about but still gets a TB every week, preceded by a snotty dispatch from Herc about how good it is?
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between Necgray and Benito. One thing though - Necgray, were you involved in the film in some way? You seem very attached. Serious question.
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and average
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AICN comboxers: Too often eager to react against hype? Well, does the sun rise in the morning?
Larger question: Is there any objective standard at all for what makes a good screenplay (or movie) as opposed to a bad one? Or is it all de gustibus non est disputandem? I would like to think there are *some* objective standards, albeit always accompanied with a great deal of subjective taste. I would like to think that at least 99 out of 100 posters here would agree that CITIZEN KANE is a better movie than GLEN OR GLENDA. Box office may not be (indeed, sometimes certainly is not) a guarantee of quality, but I think Herc has a point that a WGA award and a 100% rating on RT isa valid indicator of "good" versus "not good" although that may leave plenty of room to quibble over its precise virtues and flaws. Sure, sometimes Page's dialogue was a little too clever for its own good, but I never felt it got in the way of opening up the character - and for me, it was the characters which made JUNO, just as they make most good films. For some viewers here it did, and I have to think they may be unfair in allowing it to do so. -
I caught it again on HBO a couple days ago; it's a sweet little movie and it works, but a large portion of its success are due to the performances of Page, Bateman, Simmons and Michael Cera (in his second star-making part---this kid really is the next Jack Lemmon). As for Cody's cable TV series? I read a couple reviews that read 'chick lit on TV' between the lines, and I skipped it.
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My favorite Hollywood take on suburbia is late 1970's and 80's Spielberg directed and produced movies. Look at ET, Close Encounters and Back to the Future; it's a slightly idealistic and romanticized suburbia/Never-Neverland with hints of darker undertones.
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is fucking hilarious
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I guess the moral is most people agree and disagree with each other at some point.
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No, I wasn't involved. I've been a staunch supporter/defender of Juno and Cody since they started getting slammed in talkbacks way back when. Mostly because the first salvo of responses I read were personal attacks on Cody, which I think is a load of utter bullshit. And as you can see, those personal attacks continue even to this day. I also have a vested personal interest in defending screenwriters in general. I'm in grad school for screenwriting. I guess part of my defensiveness also comes from feeling like the film is so inoffensive and mild-mannered. Even if you want to take Benito's "it's fakery" POV, I'm inclined to view the movie less as a cynical cash grab and more as a wayward teen trying desperately to find a sense of identity and adopting the indie flick tone. I mean, the movie is SO HARMLESS! Benito attributes some weird Tabula Rasa-type arch money-making scheme to the thing that I just don't see.
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Let's start at the end. An act of condescension to a demographic. What demographic? To whom do you think the movie was marketed? I suspect you're talking about indie film folks. Okay, so it was meant to appeal to them. Ignore for a moment that once again nothing in the STORY especially screams "indie crowd". Now let's address the condescension. How does the movie condescend to them? It uses techniques well familiar to that crowd, true enough. But how is that condescending? How is using a film language familiar to your intended audience condescension? Do I condescend to my roommate when I speak English? No, it's our common language. You know what *I* think about that argument? I think it reeks of an indie film fan who doesn't like their sensibilities becoming mainstream. But whatever. That's me making a personal conclusion that's probably not entirely fair. I don't see the condescension is my point. I mean, if utilizing familiar technique is condescension then Quentin Tarantino has been condescending to his fans for fucking years. Now let's talk about derivative. How is copying your own style and your own narrative not derivative? Just because Anderson is carbon copying his own work doesn't make his work any less derivative than you claim Juno to be. It's just derivative of himself. I guess your argument is that Anderson at least keeps his eyes on his own paper? If you're going to go with the derivative argument, then I have to question if you've ever watched a movie. There hasn't been a single TRULY original voice in cinema since it began. Everyone copies elements of everyone who came before him/her. Why single out Juno for that? You can go to the shelves of any Blockbuster or search through the database of Netflix for dozens of movies with common aesthetic sensibilities. Now let's talk about the "business strategy". This is the kind of naive "film is art" comment that drives me nuts. Of COURSE there was a business strategy involved!!! Every movie ever required a business strategy to exist! How else do you expect it to get produced and distributed??? How can you possibly take any offense to the fact that the filmmakers were able to make money off of their film? The goal of every WORKING artist is to make a living off of your art. If it's ONLY about making money, then I agree that artist is a horrible dick and their art is suspect. The business side of film is terrible and I certainly wish it didn't exist. But it does. And I don't see Reitman or Cody having made the thing just to get rich. Again, you're singling out Juno for something that EVERY FILM DOES. I don't get it. Why Juno specifically? Still, I gotta say I enjoy this argument WAY more than the usual "Diablo Cody is a stupid whore" arguments that graced her every news item during the first run of Juno. Hopefully you're taking this as passionate debate instead of personal pissiness.
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Have ever since I spent actual money to sit through that shitfest "Muriel's Wedding" with an ex. There's not been a single project she didn't make worse from the moment she was on screen.
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I thought she was the most "real" character in Little Miss Sunshine (granted, that was partly the writing). And I thought she did a great job of grounding The Sixth Sense. She's also fun in Emma. She's not my favorite, but I think she does decent work.
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I have that on DVD, I had to special import it from Thailand...
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Cheers for the response. The truth is I've not actually seen Juno, so I'm in no position to comment. I will say though that to a complete outsider, both yours and Benito's opinions seem cogent and heartfelt. You've almost made me want to rent the DVD just to see which of you I side with ;) Of course, if I come away with a one-word critique of "gobshite", you're both in trouble...
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Hey I appciate your feelings for Juno, and you know I don't care what she did before or what she does now. To me, in a film like Juno, I want a sense of reality, I didn't get that from the movie. Not just from the screenplay but from set design, customing, etc. It seems "oh so clever" like Juno dressing like she's from 1993, Micheal Cera like from 1983, and the rest from the present, to catchy little catch phrases like "honest to blog" or the Morgan Freeman line. There were some scenes that did feel real, in the hands of the more experienced actors (Allison Janey, JK Simmons, Batman and Garner) but the whole movie fell on Page's shoulders and she (along with Cera and the other 'younger' actors) just couldn't seem to make it feel real. Going back to Jarmush, no matter how "different" his char. may be, they always feel real. Juno to me is like Sweet and Low, sure it makes the coffee sweeter but you can tell it's not the same as real sugar. Or artifical vanilla compared to real vanilla. Juno could still have been "hip" or geeky, keep the Dario Argento discussion, keep the Morgan Freeman line, but give me a reason to connect with the lead. I was watching someone act. It's like watching Mel Gibson (a good actor) do Hamlet compared to Branaguh's Hamelt (a bit better actor) compared to Laurance Oliver's performance (a great actor)THAT said, I can't think of a current young actress that could have done better then Page, they all kind of fall into the same style of acting. But you couple that with Cody's overly hip, fake dialog (I spend time with teenagers and they don't talk like that, and yet every critic talked about how "real" the dialog sounded, no it didn't it sounded like an adult trying to write for a teenager--I think I would have been fine with it if it hadn't been shoved in our face how 'real' the dialog is)there were parts of the movie I did enjoy, I liked the opening shot on the way to the drugstore, I liked Rainn Wilson's condensending drugstore clerk, I liked JK Simmons and Alison Janney, I liked Bateman (even if I felt his sudden turn a bit strange, I think I would perfered if he realized it was time for him to grow up), I liked garner. The movie itself though just left me underwhelmed. Not bad, but not the greatest thing ever, and not deserving of it's WGA and Oscar awards. It almost felt, honestly, if someone watched a bunch of mid-late 90s comedies (Linklater, Smith, Anderson, etc.) and were doing a Shaun of the Dead/Hot Fuzz/Walk Hard type parody of it
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I actually came away with a similar feeling. I was also underwhelmed. I also don't feel that it should have received the WGA award and the Oscar. There are problems in the script, and there IS a problem with the way it was filmed. I even agree with Benito that the movie comes off too twee. BUT, all that said, I also think it's good. I mean, people who know my screenname know that I will hammer the script problems of The Dark Knight, but I enjoy the movie. I think it's possible to acknowledge a film's weaknesses and still enjoy it. One big difference between how I see Juno and how you seem to see it, or Benito seems to see it, is in the overly hip dialogue. I think that was a conscious choice. Not just because Cody wanted the character to sound hip. I think it's at least partially meant to show that teenagers cloak themselves in what they think is "cool". Benito brings up the whole "myspace hipster vibe" thing. And he/she isn't wrong. But I see it as Juno, the character, adopting that myspace hipster identity. There's a certain detached irony in the way that she phrases these things that I also think was absolutely purposeful. It's all an act. And you can see that act crumble a bit in the face of these real, human moments. When she talks to Jennifer Garner in the mall, I see that whole facade fade a bit. Or when she gets upset in the car. If anything, that's where I say Cody nailed teenagers. They all adopt these defensive masks. Obviously many people don't see it that way, which is a problem. I would argue that that's more Reitman's fault than Cody's. Reitman cloaked the entire FILM in that sensibility, whereas I personally feel it would have been more effective to film more straightforward and allow Juno's attitude to stick out.
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The review for "Shark Sandwich" was this two word review: "shit sandwich".
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I had little to no interest in this show, but checked it out based on your endorsement and I really enjoyed it.
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They set themselves up for that. It's quite telling that of the two, I've only heard of "shit sandwich".
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Google first, then comment. "Shark Sandwich" would be from Spinal Tap then...
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"Weeds", "Big Love","Six Feet Under" and every other "Pseudo American Beauty" show that comes along on pay cable every so often. Is the daughter hot?
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