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Deth looks at a pair of INDIANA JONES 4 scripts and a draft of FAHRENHEIT 451
Hey folks, Harry here. I have heard of both of these Indiana Jones scripts in the past but have yet to actually set eyes upon them. As for the review below on the Mel Gibson, FAHRENHEIT 451 script by Terry Hayes... this sounds very much like the draft I have read... which was about 11 months ago, the script might very well be completely different now... But at one time, this is what it was like. Well... Here's Deth...
Dear Harry,
First of all many thanks for your consistently cool coverage of all things up
and coming in the wonderful world of film.
I read today's article re. Rick McCallum's comments on Indiana Jones 4 with
interest. I've read two different Indy 4 scripts and from McCallum's comments
about "watching the desert and the stars" it sounds like he's talking about
the Jeb Stuart draft entitled "INDIANA JONES AND THE SAUCERMEN FROM MARS".
The script is sort of Indiana Jones Goes To Roswell and focuses on the
discovery of an all powerful alien power source and the ensuing chases etc.
that lead Indy across America. The script also sees cameos from all of Indy's
previous love interests as well as his father. Oh, and he finally gets
married. Don't want to give much else away but overall its a good script and
very tightly written though some may not buy all the alien hokum which does
not always make as much sense as it ought to.
The other Indy 4 script I read (allegedly written by Jeffrey Boam) was all
to do with Excaliber and the Knights Of The Round Table and was not really so
great. There is also a third Indy 4 script doing the rounds that is
supposedly written by Chris Columbus but I haven't got hold of that one yet.
I read an article on Ray Bradbury and FARENHEIT 451 on your site about two
weeks ago and felt I had to write as I have read one version of the script
penned by Terry Hayes (though which draft it was is anyone's guess). I'm a
big fan of the original story so my expectations were high for this one but
alas were only partially met.
The story is set way into the future when the ice caps have melted and there
is only one island city left on Earth. As always there is a kind of
police/totalitarian state in place which more or less brainwashes everyone
into drone-like compliance. Books are outlawed and those caught in possession
are rounded up by Firemen who search and destroy all books. The Fireman are
treated like sporting heroes and each time they are called into action they
are pumped across the TV networks like the NFL. Captured readers are usually
lobotomised and turned into zombie-like workers.
We follow the story of a disillusioned Fireman who begins to see through the
facade of his reality and eventually finds himself protecting the very
readers it is his job to weed out and destroy. His journey from iconic
book-basher through doubt-riddled neurotic to sensitive champion of the
underclasses drives the story. Its a journey of self discovery and redemption
in the broadest sense and for the mostpart does ring true.
The script reads very nicely and certainly has enough action and cool
hardware for most sci-fi fans. There are a couple of great set pieces
including a chase sequence through the futuristic city that spanned almost 30
pages! The human story actually worked pretty well too but the actual content
in terms of the more lofty ideas expressed in the story did not really
deliver at all. Much was made of burning the books but there was hardly any
time given to why this was actually being done - it seemed to really come out
of nowhere in the script. The Firemen burned books and that was that. There
is almost no backstory and this does leave a few too many holes in the story.
This seemed a shame as I felt that these broader issues would have given the
script some more much needed weight and focus. Cool though the effects will
be I just felt I wanted a little more than your generic dystopia antics. I
was hoping for something a little more adult and cerebral, more CONTACT than
EVENT HORIZON (though it isn't anyway near as weak as that movie).
A robot dog creature called THE HOUND features heavily in the script and
though it could work as a kind of Terminator on four legs the descriptions
make it sound less promising and plausible (it has six legs and turns into a
kind of jet-ski at the end of the script).
Overall the script was interesting but ultimately not all that satisfying due
to the emphasis on spectacle over content. This said it is a lot more
promising than most of the sci-fi drivel we've seen in the last couple of
years (Lost In Space, anything by Paul Anderson, etc.).
I hope this is useful. I'll keep you up to date with more juicy script scoops
soon.
All the best,
DETH.
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Jeeze, I hope none of those scripts turn out what will eventually be the last and great Indy adventure. First!
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Everything about this story is horrible - Indy meets the aliens, Farenheit becoming a dumb action flick...and the bashing of Event Horizon. LEAVE IT ALONE! This site seems to enjoy bashing my fave film...oh, and if that Alien Indy IV gets made, I will publically commit suicide...
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Watching Truffaut's movie last week, I realized how old it is. Although the plot around a society which destroys every way to think is still accurate and adult, the movie itself and is "futuristic" point of view is deeply wrinkled. For this reason, a new reading of Bradbury's novel would be nice, only if Mel Gibson's team don't lose the political factor, burying it under special effects and car races. And since I read the article above, I'm afraid. Really really afraid. By the way, a "mythological" Indy 4 would be nice, rather than a story "a la mode" around extra-terrestrials. It has already been done: it was Stargate, and it was awful.
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He wasn't referring to that Roswell script--how ridiculous. That's my feeling, anyway. Lucas' Indy stories tend to focus on more distant and magical historical subjects. I think this trend will continue in the films.
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Sure you read those scripts? I didn't think so. If you don't have anything ture to say then beat off to some cyber porn.
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Awww mannn. I'm hopingthat they don't end up using Roswell for the basis of Indy 4. I agree with the above poster, that our man Dr. Jones works so well with mystical adversaries that it would be a shame to change the formula now. I mean, that is not to say that an alien centered story COULDNT work. Lets just say thatit leaves a funny taste in my mouth. The Raiders movies are formula films (the ultimate expression of the formula film, at least to my addled mind) and chaning the formula could be disasterous. Look at Temple of Doom. Personally, I've got not problem with the feature, but many many people consider it the least of the three. Why...because it deviated ever so slightly from Raiders (in tone subject matter, etc). With Last Crusade, we're back to the old standards galavanting around in Judeo-Christian mythology. All I'm saying is...I don't know how well Indy would mesh with the little green men. Perhaps if they play up some Egyptian, or South American Indian connection. Lets get our man back to those exciting worldwide destinations. Roswell Mexico certainly aint one of those. Morover, who wants Indy to be seen as tagging along on the heels of the whole X-File, UFO bandwagon. He is way to special a character to be cheapened that way. Besides, at least in my observation, that fad is quickly passing. Based on McCallum's statement, I guess that Roswell idea is a possibility. It certainly works out timewise. Roswell was when...1950 something. That works with Harrison being a bit older. But please, lordy lordy, let McCallum be playing a game with the indernet snoopers. He knows we know about the Roswell script, and so say somthing that could be construed as suggesting that is the direction that they are taking, while the same statement also descibes another script idea that thay actually plan to use. Just me hoping. We'll see...
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As a teen, I was a fanatic Indy fan. Once, after seeing the horrendous Highlander2, I had a nightmare about Indy4. The plot was set in the future, and revolved around Indy receiving eternal life after drinking from the Grail in Indy3. Naturally, I woke up screaming. Still, I would prefer to see that one compared to
Dr. Jones meets the X-Files. Roswell? How original. As for the Round Table premise, it would necessarily revolve around the Grail and Medieval knights. Sound familiar? C'mon guys, there are plenty of fabulous myths for this franchise to tap into. The Vikings, the Eskimos, the Aborigines, Africa, Rome, Greece, Suneria, sunken pirate treasure...
In my opinion, the writers should take a look at Carl Barks and Don Rosas Duck comics for inspiration. In fact, why not ask Barks and/or Rosa to do an outline? Their comics have an exhilarating and fresh sense of adventure which the movies haven't seen since Raiders, and Rosa's set pieces are funnier and more spectacular than any in the movies today! Please don't dismiss this as the ravings of a madman, any Duck fan will agree. -
Wow. That's some pretty creative stuff Boam & Stuart are coming up with. Good thing they're paying "top men" to write these scripts. Does Indiana Jones need to be limited to the supernatural or religious themed films? Is there anything else out there worth exploring other than Jesus' loin cloth, Nazis, and green aliens? Um, I think the alien thing is tapped now. We have to wait another 10 years for that to be interesting again. We have Fox Molder taking care of this task. Move on. Do we need another Death Star Speilberg & Lucas? How about something we've never seen to brake in the new millenium? Or is fantasy story telling dead for the bearded twins? Maybe it's time to usher in the young filmmakers. I liked Saving Private Ryan but after Episode 1...you're losing me.
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I had a chance to see the Truffaut version recently -- I thought it was stilted and slow-moving, but the last 10 minutes are absolutely perfect. That doesn't mean a remake is out of the question -- just that it would need to be of a certain tone and tenor. From what I see, the central themes of the book have been lost: literacy as a key to self-awareness, rebelling against an unjust order, etc., etc. Instead, it sounds like what MINORITY REPORT is turning into: a piece of high-tech camp. Thank you, no. Like the man said: a little more CONTACT and a little less EVEN HORIZON. Please.
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After reading Bradbury's FAHRENHEIT 451 (again), I'm more convinced than ever Mel Gibson should stay as far away as possible from the material. Reading the above script review just cemented my thoughts. Is this the same script that contains that witty, original and hilarious line of dialogue: "do bears shit in the woods?" Come on! If you're going to make a movie version out of Bradbury's greatest novel IMHO, stick with the book, huh? The book is rich with visuals and situations that COULD happen in the not too distant future...most importantly, the book has heart and flesh and blood characters. A foreign concept in a big-budgeted sci-fi film, I know. It's too bad classic books and plays have to be basterdized on their way to the screen. I'll stick with the Truffaut/Oskar Werner/Julie Christie version from 1966. True, it's not 100% faithful, but it DOES capture the spirit of the book quite nicely.
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First of all, to the poster who suggested using Carl Barks and Don Rosa as inspiration for an Indy film -- AMEN! Rosa and Barks (back when he was still working) turn out better comics than 90% of the superhero market. Intelligent adventures, exciting stories -- why the hell doesn't Disney wise up and stop cranking out drek like "Pocahontas" while they're SITTING on a perfectly-crafted story in "The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck?" Second, on to the real point of this post -- Fahrenheit 451. Mel. What the hell are you THINKING? "The polar ice caps melt and there's only on island-city left on Earth?" Jesus Christ, have you ever READ the book? You know, if Hollywood stopped worrying about turning every movie political or at least politically correct, we might actually get a few good films every now and then. I'm on record as saying "South Park" is the best musical of this decade just because every other one seems to want to follow formula.
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Indiana and the Space Men???! Have you people lost your fucking minds??!! Indiana Jones is far too intelligent to be parading around in some summer alien movie with SFX and a lame-ass script! Come on people, if you can't come up with a truly original idea, then just leave Indy alone. The third film was a good way to end the franchise. There. A trilogy. It's done. DO NOT MAKE A FILM JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER BUCK! My god! Harrison Ford looks older then my grandfather. How the hell is he going to run around the desert dodging spaceships? Did you see how tired and out of shape he was in 6 Days 7 Night's action scenes? Personally, I liked the rumor that floated around for years about Atlantis. That would be fresh, differant, etc. But ALIENS??? While you're at it, let's have Indy jump onto every trendy bandwagon. Next in Indy 5 we can have "Indiana Jones and the Masked Killer with a Knife Chasing Nubile Teens". Then, "Indy 6...Asteroid Fighter" or how about "Indiana Jones and the Terrorists Who Take Over (Fill in the blank)"!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOO. Leave the poor man alone. As far as his old girlfriends coming back...there's only two of them! Big whoop! He's not James Bond!
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Alright. I find it a bit hard to believe that Lucas & Speilberg would entertain a script in which Indiana Jones meets E.T. Lucas may have disappointed a bit with Episode I, but Speilberg is still one hell of an instinctive filmmaker, and Indiana Jones is, and always shall be, Lucas' alter-ego. They know what makes the Indy adventures work. The alien thing doesn't work, at least not the Roswell thing, for one simple reason - Indiana Jones is an ARCHEOLOGIST! The concept of a smart archeologist turned adventurerer is what makes these films work so well, especially "Raiders" and "Last Crusade." I could almost sort of buy the idea of Indy going after some lost treasure or artifact, only to find that it was alien in origin, and ended up on earth thousands of years ago, but the Roswell thing puts it all in the present time, albeit the present time to Indiana. However, as one reader already mentioned, the idea of finding lost artifacts belonging to alien races has already been done in movies like "Stargate." I strongly believe that Lucas and Speilberg will understand the benefits of sticking to the "formula" that has worked so well so far. However, they do not NEED to do another Indy film, so if they do one, I have no doubt it will have to break some new ground to keep them all interested. I just hope they don't alter the feel so much that it mutates into something totally different than what it truly is - an archeological adventure. There are still literally a million adventures for Indy that would still fit into this formula, and that would be exciting and new to everyone involved, including the audience. But genre-crossing ideas like Indy vs. The Aliens is a bit far out. Obviously, I have not read the script, so I cannot bash it in any way, but it's my opinion that if they are going to make another Indy movie, do just that - MAKE AN INDY MOVIE, and do it right.
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Now, not that a filmed version of 451 would be a bad thing. In fact, with the increasing spectre of censorship looming, (i.e. Columbine, MPAA, etc.) it feels rather timely. HOWEVER... this script sounds poopy. Considering their success with lampooning the concept of censorship, why not have Parker & Stone do a treatment. Kidding.
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Having recently read both "F 451" and "The Martian Chronicles" and seen the 1966 version of 451 (and recently seeing the 70/80s version of Chronicles), I don't think that the previously mentioned F 451 script is void of all hope. The first film was a good companion piece to the book, but missed the mark in numerous areas. While I don't like the new "lone island on Earth" idea it is probably used to play into the special effects they would need for the ending (I won't spoil it here). Since they can achieve this effect numerous different ways, I could see this being edited out in future drafts. With some changes to the dialog as well as to it's current vision of future Earth, the film might actually work. The hound dog, unfortunately, seems like one of those things which is extremely difficult to put in a film without it looking silly...
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I'm an Indy fan from Germany and I've been watching the development of the franchise quite closely. This is my opinion: 1) Noah's Ark Storyline: Forget it. This screenplay (named "Indiana Jones and the Sons of Darkness") was a hoax, done by an aspiring writer who posted his fan-fiction to the net, as he wanted to get Lucasfilm's attention. Almost everybody who read Indy fan sites over the last 2 years knows that! 2.) Atlantis Storyline. Very interesting. There was an adventure computer game for MS-DOS in 1992, named "Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis", officially published by LucasArts and it was quite a big hit back then; it got excellent reviews and it sold well. It was a very good game (I loved it), and the storyline would make a pretty decent film - but the fact that the topic _has already been done_ makes it pretty unlikely that this will happen as a movie as well. 3.) There was a Garden of Eden storyline rumoured, but as far as I know, the concept didn't work, and to be honest, it doesn't sound very cool. 4.) Egypt, Pyramids and Pharaoes. I think "The Mummy" covered that particular subject pretty well. Whether you liked that movie or not, you'd have to admit that a similar Indy film would pretty much look like a copy, even if it was better. So I say -- no. (Hoping that the "big 3" are still going at least for a tiny bit of originality. I begun having my doubts about that recently.) 5.) Roswell. No. Aliens, maybe. But Roswell has been covered by so many TV movies and series that it's not even funny (remember Dark Skies, X-Files, and so on?). Roswell is very much a '90s thing but remember, the '90s will be over soon... I know that there is an "Indiana Jones and the Space Men from Mars" or so script involving the 1947 incident, but I seriously doubt that they would film it. THIS IS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, in my opionion. 6.) Aliens in general. Possible. In a southern american setting, involving mayan/atzec cultures in a Daniken-like scenario (Nazca plains etc.), it would be interesting. Well, the _scenario_ at least, but what would be _the story_? I don't see one. Indy is traditionally going after certain ancient artifacts, and I think they'll keep that formula. Which well-known ancient artifacts are connected to this scenario? NONE. -> Forget it. (Otherwise it will turn out to be another "Temple of Doom". Those Sankara Stones were nice, but not half as spectacular as the Ark or the Grail. They'll have to find an equivalent to those, or they'll fail.) 7.) Anything involving Nazis: NO. The new Indy 3D game, as well as any forthcoming movies, will most likely be set _after_ WW2. Which means - no Nazis. Communists are very likely. So, forget _everything_ having to do with Hitler and his obsession with occult artifacts. I just don't think this will happen. 8.) Easter Islands, anyone? No. There was an Indy rip off movie in the 80's named "Dakota Harris". The topic is dead. 9.) Forget everything you read in the Indy novels. McGregor and Martin Caidin and all those writers came up with some good, some lame stories, involving a lot of topics and scenarios. Those novels won't be filmed, just like Tim Zahn's SW sequel books won't ever be filmed, too (at least I hope so).
10.) EXCALIBUR AND THE ARTUS MYTH, forget it. They had a chance to connect this to "The Last Crusade" for an original twist but unfortunately they didn't do it. Excalibur as an artifact doesn't work, and you don't have to travel the world (another part of the formula) to find this. As far as I know, there's another fan-fiction screenplay on-line which involves that scenario (NOT written by Jeffrey Boam), maybe "Deth" confused some things here. And after all, who tells us that McCallum really told the truth? Could be his "hint" about stars and deserts is plain wrong, a simple lie, and part of a desinformation campaign. Ever thought about that? So, which stories _are_ likely? Think hard. At least there are "certain" elements: 1.) We'll have an older Indy. He'll _possibly_ have a family. Not necessarily. I don't think there will be old love interests, so expect to see a new leading lady for the hero. Sophia Hapgood, Indy's partner from Fate of Atlantis and the new Indy 3D game, would be a _very_ possible (and good) choice in my eyes. 2.) We'll have a post-WW2 scenario, with communists as enemies. (Ever thought about freemasons/rosicrucians or even the vatican as possible foes?) 3.) There are deserts in Indy I and III (and in "The Mummy"). My guess is there will be *new* landscapes in Indy 4. Where hasn't he gone before? RIGHT: To a snow scenario. What about the antarctic, or a more northern setting in general (...vikings? Norse myths?), or mountains (Tibet?). What about underwater archeology? It was a big topic in the 50's and 60's. Don't forget that Indy is an archeologist. Underwater scenes are still missing in Indy's universe. What about subterranean? A "hollow earth" scenario would be very campy, I admit. But who knows. _They'll have to take Indy to new places._ (Not to mars, please.) Otherwise the movie isn't worth making. 4.) Ever thought of an expanded asian scenario, such as Japan? The Japanese would be good foes, as well, don't forget (WW2 etc.)! 5.) Which famous artifacts are still out there to be found, keeping the "time restrictions" in mind? You know any? Well, this is just some food for your thoughts. I'm going for a japanese/pacific scenario because I like it. I see a potential there. What do you think?
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Harrison is too old, Speilberg can't direct anymore, Lucas will probably find a way to give Jar Jar a cameo. It's over, it sucks to say, but let's all admit it. It's over.
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Did anyone ever see the story that was on Discovery Channel or TLC about the treasure of the Knights Templar? That story was true and it read like an Indiana Jones story. It was full of clues they left and stuff and it went from France to Jerusalem to Morocco to god knows where and I don't think anyone ever found the treasure. If you want to make a sweet story for the next Indy flick, sell this to the studio. Or maybe I'll beat you to it.
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OK, it's been 3 or 4 years since I last read the book, but the atmosphere seemed a lot more like the world Mel inhabited in the original Mad Max film - somewhere in the future, but close enough that it could be within our lifetime.
I also recall a lot of mention of the ongoing war, with the general happy facist sentiment of the charaters resembling the attitudes around the world during WWII. Hard to get that feeling when you're a lone island kingdom.
And I'm pretty sure that the Hound in the book had six legs, and with it's venomous hypo was more like a spyder than a dog.
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Indiana Jones is a HISTORIAN. He's a glorified ARCHEOLOGIST (and thus, probably knows how to spell that correctly).
Spelling aside, the character of Indiana Jones would scoff at any *CONCEPT* of extra-earthal (yes, that's a word) technologies. If you think about it, all the films dealt with ancient mythologies or "dark misunderstood powers".
Whether it lacks the "Pizazz" of a space drama, the script revolving around Excalibur is totally right in line with the whole concept of the Indiana Jones mythos.
Alien life is not. We have the X-Files for that hokum.
Frankly, if these scripts turn out to be true, I'll print this page and eat it (and send you all the scanned images for proof).
Until i see some evidence, I'm going to call the guy who came up with this information a big fat liar.
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Ummm didnt his LC nazi love interest die when she was trying to grab the Grail before it fell into the chasm? I think that'd make it hard for her to do a cameo in IndyIV.
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I, too, have read Jeb Stuart's "Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men from Mars," and unlike the mini-review above, I thought it was a lousy script. Although I think Stuart is very solid action writer, my biggest problems with the script involved its tone and Lucas-conceived storyline. For me, a major thrill about the Indy movies is that they are globehopping adventures -- they take us to exotic locales and plunge us into other cultures and mysticism. "Saucer Men" takes place almost entirely in the United States, and mostly just in "the desert" that Rick McCallum referred to. It's Indy vs. Soviet spies, there's some A-bomb stuff, a dog that seems to understand Indy's every word, and yes, aliens. Although I appreciated the retro "Us vs. the Commies" vibe, the whole thing felt WRONG. "Raiders" was a lean, mean, ass-kicking machine. But now, with Indy getting married, getting old, staying local -- the whole thing feels tired. Presumably the final Indy film, "Saucer Men" would (along with "Last Crusade") end the series on a soggy whimper. Why can't Indy go out with a bang? Sure, he's not a kid anymore -- that will make us feel for him all the more as he's getting beaten, bruised and flung off of every known method of transportation while trying to save the world from evil. Let's see Indy lose his eye, let's see him go up against a major villain, let's see a knock-down, drag-out final Indy movie. This "driving around the Southwestern United States, looking for aliens, chasing his new bride and meeting Henry, Sallah, Willie, Short Round and Marion along the way"-thing is for the birds. And Jar Jar fans.
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Has anyone out there seen the documentary of the making of
Raiders? If you haven't, you've missed quite a treat. The whole crew are having such a blast, shooting a funny and exciting little movie in a relatively short time, at least compared to most films these days. It makes me long for these types of movies again, and that's why I'd really like to see another one in the series. Besides, it would be fun to see Ford in something else than these holier-than-thou roles he's done recently. As for him being too old, that's pure rubbish. The character must simply age along with him.
The scene in Raiders when the pirates spot Indy on top of the submarine is probably my favorite scene in any movie. It contains the free-roaming spirit the writers should aspire to recapture, which would ensure the triumphant return of Dr. Jones. We really deserve to see another one of these films. After all, has any worthy screen heroes popped up in his ten-year hiatus? I can't think of a single one. I want him back! -
Still though, a run in with the KGB would be a refreshing change from the nazi's. Even if Spielberg decided to go with nazi's again, many defected to South American countries after ww2 to escape persecution. Another idea for the villain could be the C.I.A. After all, they aren't exactly the nicest of people either. Hey! A C.I.A., KBG secret war with Indy stuck in the middle. It could probably work.
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Personally, I can't wait for Indy 4! as long as it's a good and well thought out script and not an embarassment to the other 3 classics! The alien thing sounds ridiculous, I agree. The only thing that sounds good about that is the Cameos from previous love interests and his dad. I hope that happens. I'd LOVEEE to see karen Allen and Kate Capshaw appearing again, especially Karen! She kicked ass!! Hey how about bringing Shorty back for a cameo?? maybe not so short no more eh?? but definately only a cameo for that one. AND PLEASE NO!!!! DON'T MARRY INDY OFF!!! HE'S NOT THE TYPE!!! I COULDN'T STAND IT!!! HE'S MINE, MINE I TELL YOU, ALL MINEEEEEEEEEE..................!!! Plus it would take away from the film if he got married I think!
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Don't start worrying about FARENHEIT! I personally have the upmost faith in Mel in directing this film! (unless of course he chooses Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt for the parts like I've heard - EEK!) Look at the guy! He's not only a terrific actor but he's proving to be a great director too! He may have only made 2 films, but they were both GREAT films! One was a HUGE scale film and the other a very small film. Yes, every great director screws up now and again, but I truly believe Mel is and will be a great director! Leave the guy alone! He's lovely!! =0)
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"Indy and the Saucer Men from Mars" is a truly dreadful script; I had to throw it out halfway through because it was making me nauseous. The King Arthur one is just a fanfic script, and the steaming pile of garbage that is Chris Columbus' script proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he should stick to directing family comedies. 'Nuff said.
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1. All the indy stories have always been about archaeological
treasures and mysteries. Since the supposed roswell icedent happened in the late forties, this would put it after the last indy movies, making it in no way archaeological, and therefore not much to do with an archaeologist.
2. Having Indy getting Married would probaby be a mistake of the highest calibre, as it would really cut out the love aspect of any future movies.
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NOooooooooooooooooooo! What do they think I am some kind of idiot. Someone should slap whoever wrote both scripts upside the head. No! No! No! No! Bad
Script Writer! No! No! No!
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I was following the Indy IV scripts a while ago, and somewhere --I'm scouring the net looking for the info-- I heard that the most solid rumor was the one about the Garden of Eden. Supposedly, a lot of religious priests and the like had been consulted on the script ideas, and one of them had made some brief allusions to the script. (Mentioned it was thought-provoking and very philisophical too.) From the way things were going (and this was 2 years back or so) there was the forming idea that the myths of Eden and Atlantis were going to be combined. Somebody above said that the Eden idea hadn't worked out, and I'd like to hear some clarification as to what that means... Because the whole Eden thing *was the front runner last time I researched the project (there was a mystery around it, unlike Roswell, yet rumors and speculations were still leaking out little by little).
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I'm sick of all of this ridiculous speculation on Indy 4. Every supposed script that has surfaced has been pretty lame. Ever since that Indy and "The Sons of Darkness" fake was out a few years back, the ideas have been getting more stupid. I think that if McCallum has said that it's going to happen, we should leave it at that, and Harry should stop paying attention to all of the cranks. Let's lay off until something sensible comes to the surface.
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I heard that Indy 4 will focus on Indy's search for a lost GIANT TARANTULA that travelled across the U.S. border and into the deep interior of Mexico, under the control of a Rogue Civil War-era Army officer and a gender-confused Treasury agent.
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now hear this: indiana jones and little green men is like that milk and orange juice cocktail JD and veronica tried to serve heather #1 - it'll make right-thinking people all over the world spew red, white and blue. indy deals with cool ancient history and arcane myths, joseph campbell-style - let him look for excalibur, atlantis or something to do with the incas. don't make the man all postmodern! you want something to do with roswell or aliens? make a men in black prequel (with maybe edward norton or johnny depp as the young tommy lee jones?), get the script for ghost riders in the sky into shape and cast matthew mcconaughey and vince vaughn in ir, or...nah, too difficult. oh fuck it - here goes: WRITE SOMETHING ORIGINAL! WITH ALL NEW CHARACTERS AND NEW SITUATIONS! as for fahrenheit 451, well, that just sounds the same as every other futuristic movie: society's will is sapped by The Man, TV is the opiate of the masses, lone hero makes journey from sucker to saviour. if you can keep the themes of 451 alive, great; if it's just gonna be like that bullshit 'final fantasy' version of death race 3000 with lots of podrace-style chases and terminator dogs (what the fuck?), then just forget it right now!
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Why why why do they feel the need to set Farenheit 451 in some post-apocalyptic waterworld? What was wrong with the world as depicted in the novel or as in Truffaut's film? those were fine examples of a future world where thought and free speach are outlawed without bogging them down in techno-jargon, or heavy CGI laden effects. It was a great cautionary story which is more relevant today than ever. I find it ironic that Hollywood feels that the general public can't think for itself and they have to sugar coat a great story with crap so it will go down better. Give people the benefit of the doubt, for God's sake! Call me crazy, but maybe, just maybe a thoughtful and intelligent script might go over really, really well. you never know. And the crap about this transforming terminator dog??? Jesus Christ!! I don't believe this!!! what's next? Jane Eyre starring a gun-toting Sigourney Weaver as Jane sent to kill Rochester as played by Chow-yun-fat who is keeping his human-alien hybrid wife locked in the attic? Someone slam the brakes on this project before it gets any worse!!!
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I don't even want to talk about Indy meets the Spacemen, it just makes me angry.
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I read this piece of **** script several months ago. I think this guy is crazy if he thought it was good.
***LAME SPOILERS AHEAD***
It had something to do with the Russians wanting the power supply to the crashed spaceship. Indy gets dumped at the alter with Marrion and Willy watching because his fiance is a government agent. The final conflict takes place on a military transport plane if I remember correctly. Lame, lame, lame. However, I also read the Excalibur script. It was the better script.
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Indy gets clues to the location of Enigma, a lost island where Excalibur had been hidden. It's location is protected by a group of knight (I forget what they were called) who all have names of Monty Python actors (ie; Sir Cleese, Sir Gilliam, etc.) They are hiding the location from an evil group of knights who want Excalibur so they can take over the world.
Anyway, I post this information in hopes that Lucasfilm will read it and know that these scripts are available so they will come up with something else. Even though Indy and the Sword of Arthur was the better script, it still isn't good enough to be Indy's last adventure. -
The Indy story involving the saucer people doesn't sound very good. The Indy movies have always been more than generic action/adventure movies, and have all have a certain degree of cleverness to them. The saucer people script sounds as unclever as a script can nowaydays, with aliens and conspiracy theories running rampant. It seems every other movie Hollywood churns out is about aliens in one way or another. Also the name just sounds silly. More complaints: First of all, Indy is an archeologist, not an astrologer. Second of all, all of Indy's love interests returning from the previous movies seems like a bad idea. It seems like it was done to make people remember how good the other movies are in case this one sucks, to bring some degree of familiarity. Movies that repeat things from their predecessors are generally dissapointing. Everyone remembers what happened in the other movies, why do people feel the need to rehatch the events when it seems so irrelevant? Thirdly, Indy should only get married if there is obvious chemistry and love etc. between Indy and the girl. Otherwise, it should be removed. I personally like the idea of Indy involved with Excalibur and the Knights of the Round Table much better; that general idea would do a greater justice to the Indy legacy. I hope very much that Speilberg doesn't rush through the production of this movie because he knows it will make millions regardless of whether or not it's terrible (nudge nudge, The Lost World).
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...but "Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men from Mars" IS a real, Lucasfilm-commissioned draft of Indy IV. While it's true that "Indiana Jones and the Sons of Darkness" was a fan-written fake (as are, apparently, a couple other drafts floating around out there,) "Saucer Men" is 100% legit -- however, I had assumed that when Lucas turned to Jeffery Boam to write another Indy script after Jeb Stuart, they'd shelve this entire concept. Unfortunately, based on McCallum's comments, it appears that they've simply turned to "Saucer Men" concept over to Boam. Also of note, the Chris Columbus draft floating around out there is actually his unused draft of Indy III, which some enterprising script dealer obviously updated the title page to Indy IV in the hopes of selling more copies, it seems. Anyway, after the debacle of Episode I, why would anyone assume that this "Indy meets the aliens" storyline is somehow beyond Lucas? It even taps into Lucas' love of old Saturday afternoon serials -- Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers, etc. Hell, wasn't there an old serial with "Rocket Men" in the title? Sounds vaguely familiar, doesn't it?
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Pardon me, but if that Nazi chick survived her drop into a "Wrath of God" incited chasm, then I think we'd all better be on the lookout for that other Nazi... you know the one... the skinny guy with the little moustache; all he did was take a bullet. And don't tell me it's a prequel this time. Indie's entire experience with Elsa is encapsulated in "Crusade". So there. And... the saucermen? It hurts. It really does.
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It's one big ass disaster flick and it'll make a shitload of money.
First we see Papa Jones and some college buddies in Chicago in the late 1800's tip over Mrs. O'Leary's cow which in turn smashes a lantern and starts a fire that Indy's dad narrowly escapes.
Then, a young Indy wins passage aboard the freaking Titanic in a game of Sabaac. Almost loses life trying to snatch a necklace.
The rest of the film we follow Indy from one disaster to the next: The Hindenberg, Woodstock, Jonestown, and the opening night of Space Jam.
The movie will be shot and presented with George Lucas' new Digital THX/IMAX format. Indy's love interests to be a CGI chemical crossbreed of both Denise Richards and Rose McBlowin. Tom Savini will return as "The Creep." -
A few years back I was on sort of a Seven Wonders of the Ancient World kick, mostly due to an incredible documentry series on TLC, which got me really into reading about ancient mysterys and wonders and such, so the first thing that I thought of for Indie 4 was the Library at Alexandria. This would have all of the importance required to drive the story, since this library was supposed to contain the largest collection of ancient writings from cultures all around the world. If it was discovered it would be the greatest archeological find in history. As for the guy wh said that it is scientifically proven that Atlantis doesn't exist, I would say that you are pretty darn wrong there. The only certain thing about Atlantis is that even though no one knows what it was, there definately was some reason that the legends began. There are very many theories to explain atlantis. Read the book Fingerprints of the Gods for the most compelling and daring explanation, also my favorite. By the way I believe that I read somewhere that there was a archeological dig happening very near to the Roswell Crash and they were forced to leave the area by the government. Sounds like the perfect setup to an Indie movie involving an alien crash. I agree that Indie would scoff at the possibility of aliens, but wouldn't that just be great for the movie? Indie was always the believer in the other films, and now he would be trying to figure out what "really happened" at Roswell, only to discover that there really were aliens. Sounds plausible to me. It also sounds just as believable as screamming spirits from the arc, or a wooden cup that heals mortal wounds. Just because it's a scientific mystery doesn't make it any less magical, though that title sure would be crap unless they somehow worked it into the movie as a joke, like having the hick farmer who found the wreckage say it was saucer men from Mars, and then Indie just laughs at him, only to find out later that he was right. Well maybe not about that Mars part.
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I'd have to agree, Indy needs to stay in the formula.. but a change of scenery would be nice. We already know Indy frequents South American jungles. That allows plenty of options like the Aztec and Mayan legends or the "Lost Cities" of Incan. Eldorado could also be exploited to a degree, either as the City of Gold... or the actual Guilded (?) One. Plus the big benefit of having post-war Nazis running around in those regions. I agree too, if this is going to be a finally... great villian and we should see Indy loose his eye. BTW, Atlantis/Thera wouldn't be too exciting... and Alexandria is being excavated now, after the third or fourth torching of the Library it was eventually consumed by the sea and it's getting dredged up now (although there is a fantastic set of catacombs underneath the modern buildings nearby).
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..."Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men from Mars" IS an officially-commissioned script by Lucasfilm Ltd., written by Jeb Stuart, based on a story by George Lucas. You might be confused with "Indiana Jones and the Sons of Darkness" which WAS a fan-written fake attributed to Jeffery Boam. Stuart's "Saucer Men" is 100% legit, even if it's not the specific draft that is currently on deck at Lucasfilm. Based on who I got the script from, and the company they worked for at the time, I know this script to be indisputibly authentic. Believe me, I wish it weren't. I wish this script was nothing more than some unimaginative fan's misguided attempt to write an Indy film. But unfortunately, it provides some worrysome insight into the kinds of concepts that Lucas and Spielberg are developing. Whether it fits in with your perception of the Indiana Jones universe is irrelevant. I think The Phantom Menace proved to many people that Lucas will make whatever the hell he wants to make, even if the whole world hates an element of it, or even the whole thing. Applying understandable logic to Lucas' decision-making of late is a bad move, IMHO.
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the story is - it has to have Harrison Ford as Indy. Would be pretty cool if it centers around a rather older and 'settled down' Indy who may even be married already (with the obligatory Indy Jnr to keep the franchise going). As for the aliens thing; I just hope the script is around to put people off the scent of the real thing - whatever that is. Would be way-cool if Indy does indeed get mixed up with Excalibur (hey, maybe the sword is an alien artifact or something....)
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In the "real" world, it is suspected that the Library at Alexandria contained the world's most extensive collection of books about magic. Ritual magic. "Real" magic. Whether or not that means anything to you and me, keep in mind that in the world of Indiana Jones, an army that carries the Ark of the Covenant before it is invincible. Magic is actually real within that fictional context.
Which means that in an Indiana Jones movie, finding the Library's contents would provide access to the most powerful magics the Earth has seen in millennia. What would the Commies do if they got their hands on them? What would the Vatican do? What would the US government do?
Indy's entire career has been based on a desire to bring ancient artifacts into the light of day, for the edification of the public. "IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM!!!" What if he were to realize, late in his career and knowing that this is probably his last adventure, that here at last is something that perhaps the human race is truly not ready for? He couldn't destroy the Ark. But he was younger then. Could he destroy something incalculably more precious, if he knew that the fate of the world depended on it?
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that was an amazing game & fun. Too bad I can't find copy's of it anymore. . .:0( I hope Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine lives up to the last one (if its just a tomb Radier actioner, though, leave me outta it. . .)
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Hello? Has anyone been paying attention? For everyone who is ranting about problems with the Indy & 451 storylines - take a breather, folks. THOSE SCRIPTS ARE NOT GOING INTO PRODUCTION! Why are you all freaking out over how bad the concepts are (based on a scetchy premise, mind you)when both Spielberg and Gibson PASSED on those scripts, and are currently doing different films, even as you now rant? (Spielberg is prepping "Minority Report," and Gibson is starring in "The Patriot.") Those two films won't get cranked up until this fall, so any chance of seriously tackling either of these films won't happen until next year at the earliest. And I agree with several other posters: these guys are too intelligent to just take on a script that doesn't fit with basic themes, characters, etc. that have already been established. Chill, people...
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It would be nice just to see it get done. It's been too long of a wait. Here's hoping it comes along sooner rather than later.
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Hi,I'd just like to remind everyone about the people that are actually gonna be responsible for making this movie,-George Lucas,Steven Speilberg,Harrison Ford and whatever other talent they could possibly require......basically,the best in the business,now....do you think for a second that these guys are even gonna consider making anything that is less than 90% feasible in every way for the good of the franchise,both artistically and commercially????
.....mmmmmmmmmm.......let me think........I DO NOT think so.What makes all of you think that ,of all people,these experts don't know what they're doing and that they should be taking advice from some pissed off movie-buffs who are gullible enough to believe the shit that's being rotated above!!???
Do your selves a favour,trust these people,they know that this is the last Indy adventure and that there was no pressure on them to expand on a brilliant trilogy,therefore....I place my faith in them and feel safe in the knowledge that whatever Indy plotline they choose,It's gonna turn out to be one hell of a film to end a marvellous era. -
I just thought of this reading some of the various ideas. How about the Lost Colony on Roanoke Island? There's some classic American mythology for you. And one hell of a mystery. I'm not sure how you could fit in the whole Cold War aspect into it, but the romantic angle wouldn't be tough. Just have the discoverer of some artifact be a female rival of Indy's. I can't think of any piece of popular fiction off the top of my head that explains how those people disappeared or fictionalizes the discovery of what happened to them. It could work, and just about anything would be better than Roswell and aliens, like where do socks go in a dryer!
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