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Kevin Williamson And Wes Craven Reuniting For SCREAM 4?
Beaks here...
Ready for more self-referential horror? No? Are you quite sure about that? 'Cuz Dimension Films sure thinks you are.
Bloody Disgusting's Brad Miska is reporting that Kevin Williamson has been hired to bang out a draft for SCREAM 4. According to Miska's source (who's evidently very well placed), this might potentially turn into a shooting draft. From there, it seems possible that Wes Craven could be persuaded to come back to direct. Why? I'm told he's a big fan of the money.
Though this fourth SCREAM film will skew young (i.e. to the same teen-to-twentysomething audience that made the first one a hit), there are reportedly offers out to Neve Campbell, Courtney Cox and David Arquette for cameos. Seeing as how I can't remember a fucking thing that happened in the third movie, I am 100% stoked for this. Here's hoping Dimension immediately follows this up with a reboot of the SCARY MOVIE franchise and a new Prinze/Lillard comedy scored by Chumbawamba.
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to voice my disapproval at least?
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But you can't leave out 3rd Eye Blind!
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If they rework that shit for a 4th time....well, I'll still see it because I'm worthlessly in love with the concept, but it'll feel tired.
In fact, fuck that, have them all killed off at the very start....give us all a bit of a shock a la Barrymore in the original.
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Yes I wanna see the mask, but after that horrible third film I think they should just leave this the fuck alone.
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Go for the paycheck. Scream 1 was good. Part 2 was unnecessary, albeit amusing. Part 3 was a complete out of left field crapfest. How about something totally new that doesn't involve werewolves?
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they did a movie called Scream 4 that had absolutely nothing to do with the previous movies. Like a spoof on Halloween 3. Same title, nothing else. Ah well, at least they're not re-making these (yet).
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I did it...but yeah, scream 4? Do we really need it? I mean, wait five more years and Platinum Dunes will be revving up the bloody remake anyway....this stinks of "making a quick buck" to me anyway. I love the first Scream flick (matthew lillard included) because I've yet to see a film that was as injokey, post modern, clever to the point of smugness and covered with stock characters and jokes that still managed to draw me in, make me care about the people on screen, and genuinely make me squirm in my seat during the murders. Maybe it's cos I grew up with it, but at the time I thought even the story twists were quite clever-it was a powerful "whodunnit" in my eyes (if it were released now, at my age, maybe I could have told you who did it ithin the first five seconds...maybe). Still,the opening murder of Drew Barrymore is still a corker, Neve Campbell was a bearable scream queen, and Jamie Kennedy was good company to get you through the hour and a half. Scream 2 was actually a decent sequel, even though it was clearly done for the money and at times to melodramatic (I still make note of the sequel rules every time I watch a second half though)..but part 3 was a mistake. Some kinda clever ideas but executed with all the grace of an obese man falling down a flight of stairs..poorly written, acted and made...and a 4th part,directed to a younger demographic? What is it going to say that wasnt already said in the original when that was made for the same demographic? Unless it lays it to J-horror, or horror remakes then I dont see the point :S
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fuckin shite the lot of em!
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if they announced it was a piss take of Horror remakes I might actually be intrigued..theres a good concept in there somewhere-to the williamsonmobile!
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You mean all that talk from Williamson and Craven that the third film was definitely the last one was complete bullshit?!?! No way! I'm "shocked."
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Seeing as how I can't remember a fucking thing that happened in the third movie, I am 100% totally uninterested in this.
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And a great screenplay. If they can make another Rambo, Indy, Star Trek, blah, blah, blah, then fuck it they can make another Scream.
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A scream movie should have more red herrings than the lake next to the paint factory.
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Really? As opposed to skewing to a more mature, 50 something audience that horror movies usually aim for? Idiot.
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Though it lacks the absolute cohesion of part 1.
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New Nightmare was badass. The first couple Screams were pretty good. I even sort of liked the lesser ones like I Know Jennifer Love Hewett's What Breasts Did Last Summer and Urban Legend with fine ass Alicia Witt I'll even give you the Faculty. And then of course on TV there was Buffy and Angel and Charmed. But it's over. The horror genre has been deconstructed enough. It's time to re-construct it.Besides, when those dipshit Wayans Brothers actually parody your quasi-parody, where else is there to go?
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The first Scream is great, and Scream 2 is a wonderful continuation. The problems with Scream 3 are numerous, but the main one being it is IMPOSSIBLE to guess who the killer is. 1 and 2, if you were paying attention and smart enough, you could solve those movies, and that's fun. But the answer to Scream 3 comes so far out of nowhere and essentially introduces a new character is just disrespectful and not a good idea. If Williamson spends enough time on this (and him and Craven could use a hit, so I'm sure the pressure is on), this could turn out really good. It'll at least make fun of itself.
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that should have read, "I Know What Jennifer Love Hewitt's Breasts Did Last Summer". I wish I did.
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But 1 was excellent and innovative for that kind of film. Craven's New Nightmare was similar to Scream but was more about people being aware they were in a movie. Scream 2 was about the best sequel you could make. It was impossible to make a sequel that was going to be fresh and original. Likewise, Scream 3 was about the best second sequel you could make given that the whole thing had already been done twice.
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OK, I wasn't...
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In the third movie some people die in very grandiose ways, they throw lots of red herrings (including a really really awful one when McPenisy from that doctor show does an evil "I'm the killer" mug right at the camera... even though he didn't...), Jay and Silent Bob make the worst stands-out-like-a-sore-thumb cameo in the history of film, and Neve Campbell's character gets shoehorned into a movie that she wasn't needed in. But hey, bonus!: They found a way for that glorious hack Jamie Kennedy to return even though he got kilt in the last movie. Cause none of us ever get sick of HIM, right? He's so funny...
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Jan 12, 2009 4:47:53 PM CST
Exactly, there's a ton of great concepts they can play upon...
by danielkurland
And with the sad state of horror films lately, there is a ton of material to pull from. This will be as good as the time put into it. If they're just rushing out a film and trying to make money, it's going to reflect that, like any other shitty horror movie lately.
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I did thump some tubbies in the 90s...
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because it was a sort of precursor to the whole self aware horror film thing, although much more literal since Wes Craven and the producer and the actors who played Freddy, Nancy and Nancy's dad actually played themselves. But I think it gave Craven the idea for Scream. For that, he deserves credit for turning upside down the genre that he helped create but this is just going back to the well, unless he's got something up his sleeve.
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You're spewing nonsensical bollocks from your fucking ass. The Scream sequels are on a different level than the terrible fucking Saw franchise, and the vast majority of mainstream horror over the past 13 years. With Craven back, I will be first in fucking line to see this. The man is still a legend
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My eyes are rolling so far that I can see my medula oblongata. So what Wes is saying once again, Check Please!
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Craven does not "need a hit". Red Eye was a sleeper hit about 3 years ago. Another medium range budgeted genre flick that made its budget back numerous times. CHECK YOUR FACTS
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you know this to be true
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Somebody already mentioned it above, but the J&SB cameo was just dreadful.
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Once in a lifetime achievement for anyone, really. I can see people arguing about Carpenters best movie, but Craven? NO CONTEST it is Nightmare I. (2nd would be Serpent and the Rainbow imo.)
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Do people actually want this? Scream 1 was kind of decent. The other two sucked ass. I can't believe so many people are defending these horrible pieces of shit movies. Man, I have lost faith in talkbackers.
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At least the uncut one, never saw the theatrical version.
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affleck you the bomb in phantoms yo :-)
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I figured he was in director's jail/purgatory after Teaching Mrs. Tingle. The guy had a great run in the 1990's and seemed to flare out pretty quickly.
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It's quantifiable. There's really no denying it other than to be contrarian. The Dark Knight had all the can't miss performances (Ledger, Eckhart, Oldman), scenes and dialogue of the year and it is not an easily forgettable experience. It stays with you. It's a game-changer. However, everyone already saw it, so I'm happy for Slumdog Millionaire even if it wasn't among my top five of the year. Danny Boyle and his balls definitely deserve the accolades. Re: Kate Winslet. She is a great actress that has been in better movies for which she wasn't nominated. Her wins feel like a consolation prize for previous snubs. Or maybe people just liked seeing her naked for 30 plus minutes in The Reader. Seriously, if they want B.O. they should change the ad campaign for that one.
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that was a comment for the Golden Globes... sigh. Scream had one of my favorite death scenes of modern horror with Drew Barrymore and the trachaeotomy.
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Have the Scream movies be part of the horror film realities...At least that was what I thought would be a good idea back in 1998.
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Jan 12, 2009 5:40:46 PM CST
but why S4 when we can remake/reimagine the FIRST Scream!!
by theseeker7
After all, enough time's past, right? The original SCREAM is just ripe to be remade, find a young hip director -- Next Golden Age Of Hollywood here we come!!
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Jan 12, 2009 5:41:22 PM CST
starring David Arquette...the man that sucks at ALL THINGS
by brians life
David Arquette. Never got any of his appeal. I was on line at Wizard World LA getting a sketch from Tim Sale and David Arquette walks up, who I guess after ruining the world of Professional Wrestling he's now trying to ruin the world of comics.He cuts in front of EVERYONE and goes to talk to Tim Sale...some huge mother fucker in front of me yells "Hey, Deputy Dewey, there's a fucking line!"Arquette, who's wearing a shiney glittery blue jacket, looks like a deer in headlights and says "I'm just sayin' what's up, dude."And some little geeky chick goes "Yeah, that what we're ALL waiting to do. That's why we're all standing here."His agent or handlers put their hands on his shoulder and dragged him out of there before he was lynched by a mob of Tim Sale geeks. He ACTUALLY walks away facing us. Half staring us down and half perplexed.It was classic. And Tim Sale drew me a fucking brilliant Two Face.
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Hey jackass, EVERY THREAD doesn't have to refer to tdk. Jesus, read the header. Can't we just hand out the academy awards tomorrow to end all this bullshit? Who am I kidding? People will obviously be bitching about this as long as they have about Star Wars. Get a fucking grip, awards shows MEAN NOTHING AT ALL...except to the people who actually win one. And that is how it should be. Damn.
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This Dark Knight fever is turning me into a fucking idiot!
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Its a great film.
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Instead of giving us another Scream (which is pretty much played out) how about teaming up and coming up with a completely NEW concept? Both of you are talented people; instead of repeating yourself, come up with a completely new horror movie idea that will be fresh and original. Believe me, people will show up for that.
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Sorry I didn't finish spelling your name.
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Ehren Kruger did. Williamson's first two Scream screenplays are quite good though, but most everything else he's done (Teaching Mrs. Tingle, Cursed) is shit (although I'll admit I have a soft spot for Dawson's Creek). IKWYDLS hasn't aged well. The Faculty was decent, but if the rumor is to be believed, the Weinsteins paid off the guys who actually wrote it just to use Williamson's name for marketing. But hey, maybe Scream was the only thing he was meant to write. I'll be interested to see what comes out of this.
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Ehren Kruger did. Williamson's first two Scream screenplays are quite good though, but most everything else he's done (Teaching Mrs. Tingle, Cursed) is shit (although I'll admit I have a soft spot for Dawson's Creek). IKWYDLS hasn't aged well. The Faculty was decent, but if the rumor is to be believed, the Weinsteins paid off the guys who actually wrote it just to use Williamson's name for marketing. But hey, maybe Scream was the only thing he was meant to write. I'll be interested to see what comes out of this.
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The first film was near perfect; a beautifully shot tension machine that certainly deconstructed the slasher genre for laughs, but also managed at the same time to deliver the jump-outta-your-seat spookshow and guess-the-killer fun that audiences expect. Seeing this in a crowded theater at the time was a communal blast. It then became a victim of its own success; everyone started to hate it not for what it was, but for what it did to the horror genre. Pretty faces and bland films followed. It actually took the misery of the torture porn genre for people to look back and say, "Hey, I miss when these films were fun." I kid you not when I say I think "Scream" is the grandchild of "Psycho" and "Halloween." As far as the sequels go, it's the ensemble of characters that continue to make them fun. "Scream 2" was a little rushed. It hit theaters in less than a year after the original opened. The climax always seemed to me to be sort of a patch-up job, but for a film made so quickly, it worked. Appart from what the rest of you seem to think, I thought "Scream 3" was a better film, appart from some of the bits mentioned (Silent Bob & Jay, Parker Posey, etc.). I thought it delieved the goods and wrapped things up fairly well, but the haters will have me lynched for saying so. Maybe there will always be a divide between horror fans; ones that like to have a good time with horror and ones that prefer horror to be completely serious and disturbing. Which one are you?
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Jan 12, 2009 6:01:09 PM CST
The first Scream worked because it was a great satire.
by flim springfield
That's what made Scary Movie so stupid- Scream was already a comedy, the Wayans just dumbed it down to eight year-old level.
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It's simple.
You create a film that is a series of vignettes, a la Creepshow, or more recently, Grind House.
The Scream films exist in this reality as movies.
The stories deal with how the Scream mask is used by different people and for different reasons.
A few of my ideas:
1-a guy who buys the mask and costume at Wal-Mart to go to a Halloween party. He gets there and decides not to take the mask off. This is funny at first, and then he meets a girl who won't take her mask off. They hit it off, talking through their masks the whole time. This piece ends with the girl about to pull the mask from her face.
2-A black guy lives in a fucked up inner city neighborhood. His girlfriend was caught in a drive by. He wants revenge and picks up the mask from a dollar store. He grabs his piece and kicks ass. The story is called "Black and White."
3-This nerdy guy (like many of you here) is convinced--absolutely fucking convinced--that his Scream costume is alive and wants to possess him so as to spill blood. The story is about the suit calling to him and him resisting it. He goes so far as to imagine the suit leaving its prison in the attic where he stored it. In the end, he dons the mask and is gone underneath, with something else in his place. The suit now wears him.
4-The last one is a nod to all the bloodthirsty horror banger freaks. A doctor working long shifts in a hospital comes across his newly-minted wife fucking his boss. He snaps, rides the elevator downstairs, uncertain what to do, how to respond.
Paralyzed yet looking for an answer, he finds it staring him in the face in the gift shop window: the Scream costume.
Ghostface cuts loose (yeah, pun intended, go fuck yourself) and while we know who the killer is, we thrill to him stalking and killing first the staffers and people he thought he knew, and then finally his old boss and his new wife.
That's how you can do Scream 4, if you absolutely have to.
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Scream and Final Destination 2.
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...have someone invent a J-horror style urban legend, and kill people off using it to conceal their real intention of murdering someone specific. Yes, that's more of an 'Urban Legend' remake than anything, but the UL series was never particularly good, and never took the J-horror route. Imagine if there was a plot like Ringu, except it was a Scream-style murder disguise, and done in a 'knowing' style, but still actually fairly scary, like the original Scream. I'd watch it.
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Scream wasn't exactly a satire but it was a sort of send up of horror movies while still maintaining an actual story. To make a spoof of that was fucking retarded. They even named it "Scary Movie", which was the original working title of Scream. And they used the same fucking mask from the killer in Scream. How ham-handed was that? God that movie sucked.
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and they were the most fun I've ever had in a theatre for a horror movie. The Scream series and the I know what you did movies and even Urban Legends were all great to take a girlfriend to back when playing sports and going to school dances were all the rage.
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I'd rather see a sequel to "Behind the Mask" than watch another "Scream" movie.
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C'mon, Facebook can get J-Love and the crew back together for a Big Chill type movie!
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All three were decent, but neither Scream 2 nor Scream 3 added anything to the series, and can be seen as needless sequels. I can't see them really continuing with the original characters, though I'm glad in part 3, Neve Campbell's character finally had the sense to get a nice security system, a guard dog, and a gun. After someone tries to kill you twice, it should alter your behavior a bit. And I thought all the geeks here would appreciate Kennedy's film-geek character.
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Thanks. Your (uncopyrighted) script idea has just been submitted to a major studio that will change the names around and make the movie. If it works they'll make a mint and act they've never seen this site before. If it bombs they'll blame it on you.
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is one of the Top 25 Films of the 90s, without question.
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We both know my ideas are A) too good to actually be selected by any studio exec and B) no one of any import reads the talk back here, much less anyone with any real clout.
And if they take it, they can have it. I doubt they'd have bought it outright from me anyway.
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Ain't never gonna keep me down!
(Pissing the night away, pissing the niiiiight awaaaaaay...)
Sorry. Mid-90s flashback there, and I got so drunk the year that song came out (96 in the Yoo-Kay) that I just got a little light-headed thinking about it. Ah, well...
Oh, and SCREAM 4? Keep Ehren Kruger away from it, less lame-o tie-ins to the first movie (let's have a fucking copycat killer or something this time, not the janitor-from-the-first-movie's fucking mother or something), and make Wes Craven care about directing horror again, because SCREAM 1 and 2 were a loooooong time ago, buddy.
Bottom line? I think this could be good, but only if the writer, director and fresh-faced new cast give enough of a shit to want it to work. Problem is, I think they'll all be performing with dollar $ign$ in front of their eyes... -
After all it has all been done before..and better at that. What with Torture/Horror Porn all the rage and the web full of all the real life Horror you can stomach...I just don't see this being a sucess if it's budget is a dime over 15 or 20M. Besides...you want to see Horror...Just wait till Transformers 2 hits the screen...scream away.
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The Children of the Man who Raped Sidney's Mother. No I'm not making a TB Joke.
"Roman" Sidney's Step Brother and the killer from Part 3 was a Rape Baby. Sidney's mother dumped him, because he was the product of rape, and that's why Sid did not know him.
Roman's killed at the end and his DNA could implicate the Original Rapist of Sidney's Mother.
Still with me???? This unknown Rapist kills himself or He's arrested. Right back to that Cotton Weary shit from part 1...
Theres two possible outcomes for suspects.
If the Rapist/Father kills himself. The new killer could be his kids or his wife.
If he goes to jail, and his Wife kills herself. The Killer could be his Kid's or Him.
I've thought about this a little bit a year or so after 3 came out.
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Like Craven's New Nightmare, the film stars all the original cast playing themselves. Some guy, dressed in the costume is hunting down all the original cast from the first Scream, including Barrymore. A film like that would take the meta-awareness thing to a whole other level.
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You start the film off with a Big named Director introducing a Trailer for Stab 3 at Comic Con.
The lights dim after he says a few funny things about it.
The footage cuts out halfway in. The lights come back on. The directors disappeared from the stage. Suddenly the screen flicks back on with a new feed.
We see Ghostface. He's carving some words into the directors exposed chest. The directors hands are cuffed behind his back and his mouth it ducttaped. Everyone at the Con looks on in confusion. Ghostface finishes carving.
It's a Web Address!
Ghostface drops a noose over the Directors head. He pulls the tape from the directors mouth. The director screams. It's coming from above the crowd in the rafters.
The directors body falls towards the fans.
Everyone screams... His body stops 3 feet from the ground right in the middle audience.... His neck is snapped.
The video of the murder leaks onto youtube. The website carved into the directors chest list the remaining survivors. It display a picture, list their place of residence, phone numbers, and work. Theres a timer next to each person listed. The clock is ticking. -
promising one of the to be true a with a voting system. so you can see who everyone thinks is the real killer. The red herrings will eventually die off. That could be interesting.
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The Scream franchise, while well-made, ruined horror for YEARS. Do we really need a cast full of beautiful people, with just about every scene being self-referential? Did we forget that this trend resulted in Urban Legend for fuck's sake?
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promising one of them to be true. They have a voting system. So you can see who everyone thinks is the real killer. The red herrings will eventually die off. That could be interesting.
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It should be a Remake of STAB at Comic Con. Not the 3rd one. what was I thinking....
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I think I did.
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I think in scream 3 it was really the film producer who boned nevs mind who masterminded all three killing sprees, but actually the killer was ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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or a cosmetics guy. Always thought it was funny. horror got Gay as hell in the mid 90's not that i have anything against gay people. I'm just stating the facts. I wes and Willaimson could push the Remakes being bad for horror somehow with the film. I'd be greatful to them for it. that should be the subject somehow. remakes sucks and we are swampped with em. Nightmares next....
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The words cash grab seem to be coming to mind.
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...used to be a hairdresser?! Wow - what a surprise - not. That movie was a good opening scene followed by 90 minutes of inept bullshit. The writer (Silvio Horta) went on to create the equally horrifying TV series UGLY BETTY.
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Jan 12, 2009 8:05:56 PM CST
I always Know the Urban Legend of what you did last summer strik
by the1980mutant
They should caste retarded people. That's the only way I will go.
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The first Scream was great and I think it still holds up (even though the beyond self-aware mid-90's indy dialogue can be even more cringe inducing now). It was Wes Craven's comeback film, put Kevin Williamson on the map, and became a word of mouth phenomenon. But then the much hyped Scream 2 came out and was a lot less engaging, and had a terrible ending with killers that were in the rest of the movie for about a total of 5 minutes. And Scream 3 took the film series into further improbable oh wait that's the killer...what the hell territory. I can't imagine a 4 being any good. The self aware shit is dead. It's not the QT/Kevin Smith days anymore. I can't see this working, but it will have a big opening weekend, and they can throw a 4th disc into the DVD set, quality be damned.
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Please Help me out here because other than some foosty old hillbilly movies and the first Nightmare on Elm Street I don't get the legendary director status!?
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Jan 12, 2009 8:38:14 PM CST
I interviewed both of these guys about ten years ago...
by cruel_kingdom
and they both SWORE they would never do another SCREAM movie. I guess, as Wesley Snipes says in NEW JACK CITY, "Money talks and bullshit runs the marathon."
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I like 1 and 2.
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Jan 12, 2009 8:46:33 PM CST
the_scream: I just came to post the "New Nightmare" idea too!
by flim springfield
Killing Drew Barrymore in the first scene again- but this time she's playing Drew Barrymore- would be hilarious.
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and all the cameos they stuck in it were a dead give away. But I had read some where that Stone Cold Steve Austin was supposed to be in it as a police officer. About half way through, realizing what a piece of garbage the movie was, my friend and I began saying that the best thing that could happen was for Austin to show up at the end of the film and just begin stunning everyone on screen. (There was no one in the theater, so we didn't disturb anyone.) And if he had, that would have improved the film 10 fold, at least! Let's hope this one collapses before it ever gets to the filming stage.
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Jan 12, 2009 8:52:02 PM CST
A good idea, actually, but lose the original cast pronto...
by librerarian
...with a brand new cast and new storyline (just keep the ghost face killer) and an edgier, harder, less jokey approach to the material, this could be something. I think something about this basic narrative and Wes Craven just clicks, as long as they don't play it for laughs too much (which is part of what hurt Scream 3... it was a cartoon). The original cast will just invite more in-jokes and lame self-reference, which we don't need more of. Having Sydney involved in Scream 3 was already a HUGE stretch... after the first three films, those three wouldn't be caught anywhere near a situation like that... Sydney is already probably in at least three witness protection programs by now. Unless the three of them die before the opening credits or something (that'd be a shocking twist), keep them out of it. We've heard their story.
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Jan 12, 2009 8:52:44 PM CST
Scream > Scream 3 > Scream 2 > 99% horror films since then.
by kid idioteque
I hope the leads return in more than cameo roles, although they weren't in much of Scream 3, and I enjoyed that flick. So sue me. The first is great, though.
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In the movie or in real life. Whatever. I do like the idea of ripping off New Nightmare.
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I agree with you. Please Kill Matthew Lillard. Actually, put him in a car with Jamie Kennedy and drive them BOTH off a cliff. A high one. With a bed of explosives at the bottom to cushion their fall.
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I always thought they missed an opportunity in the third film. They should have turned the tables and had Neve's character start hunting the people trying to kill her.
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I was still getting hammered at keg parties working on flunking out of college when the last one came out. Never really saw the appeal of these beyond the first one...I think it was a late 90's thing. This won't work a decade later me thinks.
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Jan 12, 2009 9:38:33 PM CST
How about the unrated cut of the first film on DVD?
by nasty in the pasty
I'm AMAZED this hasn't happened yet. The Scream laserdisc (dated myself severely here) had some extra gore that has yet to be on any DVD version (despite the commentary referring to footage that was taken out!). As for the series as a whole, the first IS one of the best horror films of the 90's, and people bitching that it "ruined" horror probably blame Star Wars for movies like Krull. Scream 2 obviously lacked the delightful surprise of the original, but still had some great kills and laughs. I actually wore a Ghostface mask to the theater when I saw 3 (how geeky...), and while I enjoyed the film enough at the time, it retrospect the series was coasting on fumes, turning the sly satire of the first two films into outright slapstick buffoonery (I still laugh thinking about the Black Guy screeching "PO-LEEEEEEEEEECE! GET *AWAY* FROM ME, MOTHAFUCKA...!" when he gets stabbed). If they really must do part four, they should finally kill off Neve Campbell's character for good (that's why part three sucked...for all it's "rules" about long-running series characters getting killed off in part three sequels, all three of the surviving leads from the first two didn't die). Campbell gets killed off in the pre-credits sequence, Courney Cox and Deputy Dewey follow later in the movie, and a new group of CW hotties have to figure out who's the killer (making references to how "dated" the first film was).
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...that came up with this one?
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Super lame. ...But can dig the money whore aspect. Get the bucks! Yeah! Scream 4.
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I completely agree with everything you said.
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I still don't own the original "Scream" on dvd because I'm still waiting (10 years later!) for that uncut director's version. I also own the laserdisc, and yes, we're both old as dirt.
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The original draft of SCREAM 2 was amazing, with the many, many killers and the nihilistic bloodbath ending. The final rushed product was shit. And S3 is not worth mentioning. Also, Neve Campbell could not act to save her life.
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not a good idea. I think third film was so bad and I thought their last collaboration was really horrible and also the who done it horror films are so 90's.
I honestly believe the time is not right for Scream. Not too many decent horror movies have come out to warrant a quiz/ savant reference horror film. Plus there are so many Michael Bay horror -IBLE movies now--which are laughably bad-- I don't see the point in making one --unless there's a demand for it and there honestly isn't.
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last collaboration? It was the dreadful werewolf film titled "CURSED". Pure piece of shit! From the scream like sequences and plot twists to the pussy footing female transforming into a cgi man cartoon into the rubber werewolf costume. Flipping the bird and all. I HATE THAT MOVIE!
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He has sold out and hasnt made a decent movie since A NightMare on Elm Street! So it wouldnt suprise me that he would whore himself again! Wes Craven, bend over and take the money that they will shove up your ass! Not only did you let Hollywood Remake The Hills Have Eyes, & the classic The Last House on The Left! You are now letting them remake the only film that gives you any credit as a decent film-maker? A NightMare on Elm Street! Please go hang yourself and do us all a favor!
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I saw the film many months before it was released. Sure, it was gorier, but the phone calls were also much more verbally abusive. Adding to the charm was the complete lack of soundtrack and credits.
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because they are never scary.
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MOCKERY
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1. The assassination of Barrack Obama.
2. Me knocking up some random chick then having to coheres here into getting an abortion.
3. A rough draft of Screen 4. -
I LOVE the original Trilogy, no need for more.
But... if it's written by Williamson (I hate him for not wrote Scream 3) and directed by Craven, and has NOTHING to do with the original trilogy (besides cameos) and it's R-rated, I'm ok. -
When will they release them on Blu-Ray?
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I actually prefer "I Know Jennifer Love Hewett's What Breasts Did Last Summer" cause just randomly sticking "JLH's breasts" in there in a way that makes no sense and contributes to nothing is actually a pretty good commentary on those films.
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I had to watch the entire first season of Dawson's Creek in first-run 'cause my best friends at the time were all girls. Fuck this guy. I loved the first Scream but the only way I'll see a fourth one (or anything else by Williamson) is if we get Scarlet Johanssen full frontal nudity. And even then it's probably just a rental.
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Scream Harder.
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Really? I thought it was so much better than "Scream". If not, it was at least better than the sequels.
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I was 15/16 when Scream was released which means I was probably part of the target audience. It worked, me and my friends thought it was great. I am not sure but I think the 2nd and 3rd instalments actually went down well with us too. Not being in that age group any more, I can't see the new one working for me (obviously) but I hope they make it. Teens might actually enjoy it.
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was important. It gets a lot of shit now, and to be honest it is to blame for all the horrid post modern shite that followed, but remember what a fucking mess horror was in before it. It totally revitalised a dead genre, and was a fucking good film in its own right. The sequels? shit. Behind the mask is good- the real stroke of genius they had with that was dropping the documentary style 2/3rd's of the way through. Superb film.
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An early rumor about the third Scream's storyline, based on a KW idea, had Johnny Depp making a cameo; and it turns out he's the killer at the end. Except, the twist was that he plays himself, as Johnny Depp, doing all the killings. Very post-modern and breaks the fourth wall. I think an idea like this could be appropriated to form the basis of a 4th Scream. And with KW writing it, I think it's got tons of potential.
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Am I right?
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Saw was essentially a photocopy of Seven and other far superior serial killer films. It had an interesting hook but that was it. The sequels are fucking atrocious, every last fucking one of them. So, even the fact that you're comparing the third film in one franchise to the first in another speaks volumes. Scream 3 is the weakest, but still vastly superior to that insipid Saw shit.
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He hasn't made a good movie since A Nightmare on Elm Street!? Have you seen all of his films!? The People Under the Stairs, The Serpent and the Rainbow? Not to mention fucking Scream. I Love John Carpenter, but he's off somewhere playing Xbox and smoking joints; Wes Craven is still making horror for the fucking masses.
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didn't Craven say he'd never work for the Weinsteins again?
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It's a Danish release, I believe. I have it. Region 0. Plays perfectly.
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Seriously, they shouldn't disrespect those characters by killing them. While I enjoyed Scream and Scream 2, Scream 3's Columbine influenced bloodless stabbings were not my fave. But it wasn't a terrible film. It just had a random killer reveal and was too much of a comedy. But the end of that film with everyone finding some sort of peace is how these characters should stay.Remaking New Nightmare by having them play themselves would be silly. Having Neve be the killer wouldn't make sense. And having Neve become a guidance counselor at Woodsboro would be stupidity.If they are going to do this, have it set in the same universe, new kids, copycat murders with no ties to the original 3. Let the "Stab" series within the series be in the films distant history. Since they would be starting fresh here, have this movie be a deconstruction of the remake/reboot/reimagining trend in horror. Have there be a subplot about a remake of "Stab". And you can even joke about remakes that haven't happened like a remake to The Exorcist with Julia Roberts in the Ellen Burstyn role and Dakota Fanning as Regan.
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http://tinyurl.com/8y56pr
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I grew tired of SCREAM during the first one. Yes kids...it's 90210 with a serial killer. How novel. Craven and Williamson are hacks. Especially Williamson who I met in college. Craven made a career off one movie (NIGHTMARE) and then falling into high profile studio projects. He kind of became the poster boy for Hollywood horror movies. Forget about the fact that he doesn't have the catalog to back it up. He's a studio fav and he hasn't made a good picture in 39 years, SCREAM included. I find it funny when people get excited that Craven's going to direct a new movie. What was his last movie? Oh yeah that Dawson's Creek guy and Christina Ricci werewolf movie. How'd that work out for ya?
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in the original. She's a much better actress. Piper won out in the end though, as I'm sure she's making more money as a producer of Charmed's 9 year run than Neve did in...what else was she in besides the lesbian scene with Denise Richards?
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Pre-Scream: Sidney's mother was an actress who was gang-raped by some producers and actors on a set. She gave birth to a boy who she gave up for adoption. The mother then moved to the town in Scream 1, where she married Sidney's father and gives birth to Sidney. The mother starts having an affair with Billy Loomis' father. Sidney's half-brother tracks down the happy family and puts things into motion by coaxing Billy Loomis into killing the mother and more...
Scream 1: The death of the mother is blamed on Cotton Weary, played by New Sabretooth. Billy and his pal decide to take out Sidney's family and it gets out of control and many people die. Billy and his psychopathic friend (Shaggy from Scooby Doo) are killed. Sidney, Arquette and Cox survive.
Scream 2: Billy Loomis' mother hires a psychopath and they track down Sidney at college and try to murder her. The mother and psychopath are killed. Sidney, Arquette and Cox survive.
Scream 3: The half-brother produces a movie based on the events on Scream 1 (Stab!) and sets up a series of murders to draw Sidney out of hiding so he can kill her. Sidney is drawn out, and discovers the truth behind her mother and the existence of her half-brother, who she kills. Sidney, Arquette and Cox survive and are now living together. -
Wes Craven won't do another Nightmare film but has been persuaded to do another crappy Scream flick? New Nightmare is an underrated horror masterpiece that truly exemplifies Craven's talent. The Scream movies did to horror what Batman & Robin did to comic book movies. FACT.
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I recall seeing them, and appreciating the little horror movie tributes in the first movie, but the rest was forgettable...and I have indeed forgotten
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Rubbish. Scream revitalised horror. It was the endless postmodern knock offs (Cherry Falls- I'm looking at you) that did that and paved the way for torture porn.
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....that sounds exactly like my family story. Eerie. Sithdan, I disagree with that. Scream took horror movies in a new direction, which it sorely needed. Batman and Robin and to a lesser extent Batman Forever (same director) tore down what Burton tried to do with his films, which was bring it out of the campiness of the TV series.What Scream did was recognize the tired banality of the 1980s slasher genre and turn it on itself. In that respect it wasn't all that different than New Nightmare.
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Scream was a great movie. There is not one similarity. Batman And Robin killed the frachise for a while because it was so bad.
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I've been waiting.
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No, Scream was a harbinger for teenybopper crap like I Know What You Did Last Summer, Urban Legend, and Final Destination. It inviscerated the horror genre in the late 1990s.
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Jan 13, 2009 9:59:41 AM CST
Because horror films prior to Scream...
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
didn't feature teenagers. I forgot the golden days of horror featuring scantily clad elderly people frollicking in the lake at summer camp while a masked maniac picks them off one by one.
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The Golden Age of Horror rarely featured teenagers. Movies in the 1930s like Dracula, Frankenstein, The Wolfman and The Mummy all featured adult actors/characters.
Although it's obviously true that most horror movies in the 1980s featured younger actors, the films at least took themselves more seriously and focused on the horror, not witty dialogue and annoying humor. How many times is does the word "like" surface in that hack Kevin Williams' scripts? -
For all of the talk of post-modern horror, the best thing Scream did was to make the victims into actual characters. I, for one, was actually rooting for people to live, whereas in most horror films I'm usually waiting for the fodder to get knocked off. Also, Scream pretty much killed off the old and dying slasher franchise, which couldn't have been done sooner. That doesn't mean I'm terribly interested in seeing a fourth film after the terrible third movie, but I have to count myself as a fan of the first two Scream films.
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Jan 13, 2009 10:18:57 AM CST
SCREAM INSPIRED REAL LIFE THRILL KILL OF PIZZA DELIVERY GUY
by bringingsexyback
It's true. I can do without another Scream.
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Jan 13, 2009 10:19:33 AM CST
The films that Scream is referencing aren't...
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
"Dracula, Frankenstein, The Wolfman and The Mummy". They were 80's exploitation horror films featuring teenagers being stalked and murdered. One that does is Van Helsing! Yowzer!
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Wes Craven does another Nightmare on Elm Street film. Until then, count me out of any Scream crap.
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"The Golden Age of Horror"? How is that relevant? at all? You can't blame scream for Hollywood's whorish bandwagon jumping. I think you're a 17 year old with an overly read copy of Halliwell's.
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There are so many things wrong with that stupid fucking post.
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NOT Scream.
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New Nightmare, while clever did not capture the zeitgeist on anywhere near the same scale as Scream. Scream was important, if not seminal, and was totally necessary to revitalise what was a tired and shitey genre.
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Discuss
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with the debating skills of an autistic monkey. Discuss.
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Hostel, Saw or Rob Zombie.
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Scream was a glorified B movie.
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How is that constructing an argument. Well, fuck, you've convinced me. Scream is obviously a load of shite. How could I have been so blind?
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I Know What You Did Last Summer...Urban Legend...Halloween H20...Final Destination.
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1. Jamie Kennedy's character died in #2, and no, a short cameo on videotape wasn't enough on #3rd. 2. The trilogy stands well as it stands. 3. The cameos by Cox, Arquette and Campbell would obviously be their murders at the beginning of the movie, most likely, and the movie would play on her sons/daughters. 4. I'd rather have this one rebooted, than prolongued.
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It's a date movie for teenagers with no lives.
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either come up with some justification for your preposterous opinions, or fuck off. The fact that Scream spawned so many imitators should tell you about it's influence.
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...to take the concept further. It was the beginning of him getting bored with the same 1980s slasher shit and try something new.As for the "Golden Age" of horror, as with all people who wax nostalgic about old movies, that guy's forgetting the shit-ton of "Dracula meets the Wolfman's Son of Frankenstein hook up with Abbot and Costello and the Little Rascals" masterpieces that came out in the 40's and 50's. That's why people think that movies were so much better back then than they are now. Some of them certainly were. But there was also a lot of crap. And given the few number of movies released back then as compared to now, the percentage of crap back then was probably higher.
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Let's look at Kevin Williamson's illustrious resume.
Cursed
Dawson's Creek
Teaching Mrs. Tingle
The Faculty
Scream 2
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Scream
Man, we've got some winners on there.
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You really should look into that, chief.
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I'll give you URBAN LEGEND - how the fuck could Rebecca Gayheart haul a quarterback on the end of a rope 30 feet up a tree, with him resisting? SHITE! - and HALLOWEEN H20 was just embarrassing. Though not as bad as HALLOWEEN RESURRECTION. "Happy Halloween motherfucker!"
However...
FINAL DESTINATION - First original idea since the dawn of the new slasher move era that started with SCREAM (sorry dude - I also enjoyed NEW NIGHTMARE, but it never caught the zeitgeist, or had as much of an influence on successive slasher movies, than SCREAM), and where exactly is the smart-assed dialogue? Devon Sawa plays it straight, and the deaths are, for once, actually quite suspenseful and cleverly constructed. The series hasn't diminished (just saw part 3 last night and enjoyed the hell out of it - and Mary Elizabeth Winstead ;P) with sequels, and still has a strong-as-hell premise.
I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER - Atmospheric as hell, very creepy, decent horrific murders (watch Sarah Michelle Gellar trying to escape and tell me that's not quality slasher stuff) and a half-decent ending. The sequels? Shite.
Two out of four, I'll give you. FINAL DESTINATION and the first I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER are examples of half decent slasher movies since SCREAM - compare them to fucking abominations like Rupert Wainwright's THE FOG, the AMITYVILLE HORROR remake, BOOGEYMAN, THEY (WHY the FUCK didn't they stick to the original script? Best horror script I've ever read - FACT), DARKNESS FALLS, and any number of other vacuous teen-led CGI mostrousities that are scary for all the wrong reasons.
And all you Craven doubters - THE PEOPLE UNDER THE STAIRS is awesome on so many levels, even Ving Rhames had a cameo in it. Oh yeah. But serously, that film is fucking awesome.
As for the Williamson bashing - I agree, though you can't deny THE FACULTY was fantastic entertainment. Though the entertainment value is probably due to the great cast and Robert Rodriguez, whose name on a movie fucking guarantees my buying a ticket... -
Only in the same way that STUDENT BODIES influenced SCARY MOVIE.
Great little movie, nobody but a very few saw it, and a movie that resembles it a few years later comes out and surprises EVERYONE.
Oh, and Sithdan? ALL slasher movies were great date movie fodder. Take a hot chick to a movie, have her get terrified, she grabs onto you for solace and support, you stick your dick through the bottom of a popcorn bucket / grab her breast "by mistake".
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SOCIETY is the greatest horror movie of the 1990s. Discuss, but not with Spud McSpud, because no matter how compelling your argument, I am right and you are wrong.
From the FILM REVIEW review of SOCIETY:
"Special Effect are created by Screaming Mad George, and never was a man so aptly named."
Best horror/comedy of the 90s. FACT. -
Screaming Mad George FOR THE WIN MOTHERFUCKERS. Were you quoting me there, potato boy?
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They're tailored for general audiences, not horror fans. If you want good horror satire, stick with Night of the Creeps. Williams basically softened the slasher genre and made it digestible for the mainstream.
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whutz u fave scary movie?
scary movie 3 was so funny!!!!!!!
lolz no not scary movie fave horror movie !?????
texas chainsaw was SOOOOOOO scary!!!!!!!!!
original or remake?
my friends say i look like j. biel!!! :)
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Did you write for FILM REVIEW in the early 90s? If so, quite possibly...
I love the mad atmosphere of SOCIETY - Billy Warlock being this rich, spoilt Beverly Hills brat, but who doesn't quite feel like he fits in, and when he finds out why - just WOW. Those effects have NEVER been bettered - not how real they are, but how viscerally fucked-up they are. James Gunn's SLITHER owes A LOT to SOCIETY SFX-wise, and it's all the better for it.
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Why wot iz outside?
U IZ A MINGA
Fuck u U IZ A MINGA
*crowd cheers as a knife shatters the phone and pins it to the dumb-ass teen's forehead*
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I bought Wes Craven's CURSED for £1 from my local Somerfields. Sheer morbid curiousity, and the fact that - hey, it's only a £1.
I'm now accepting ideas on how best to prepare myself for this onslaught on my senses... -
I hope Harry plays it at BNAT one of these years.
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moar like
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He has one hell of a CV!Check this:
SFX technician on POLTERGEIST 2 (probably designed that fucked-up tequila worm) and BIG TROULE IN LITTLE CHINA (greatest movie ever. FACT)
Make-up SFX on ELM STREET 3 and 4, the seminal SOCIETY, the under-rated FREAKED (Keanu as Dogboy!), and JACK FROST.
SFX crew on PREDATOR (fucking PREDATOR!!!), ELM ST 4 (cockroach death), ARENA (ROBOT JOX's under-rated sibling), BRIDE OF RE-ANIMATOR, THE GUYVER, NECRONOMICON, SPACE TRUCKERS (love the square pigs!), BEYOD RE-ANIMATOR...
Born Joji Tani, 7 October 1956, in Osaka, Japan.
The man. The legend. SCREAMING MAD GEORGE. -
Hope it's "stars" Katie Holmes, who surprise dies at the start of the film. One by one, Jack, Jen Grams & Pacey all get picked off. The killers (surpreeze) turn out to be James VanDerBeek & Christian Bale, The Bateman Boys! This is all set in space, obviously!
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Lk ot ur wndo lol
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Does anyone care about these smug self-indulgent wink wink nudge nudge popcorn snore-fests? The first Scream was a tad lame but a guilty pleasure at best...the rest have been vapid soulless disasters.
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You all disappoint me.
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Cumming soon.
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Jan 13, 2009 4:57:11 PM CST
Hey, maybe they'll actually follow through on 3's tagline...
by mymand316
...that the 'rules' no longer apply. Remember when we are all, to varying degrees, excited when they promised that Scream 3 would break all the rules of a slasher flick? Remember when Wes Craven was crucified to the bargain bin when he decided not to break a single one?Maybe this time he'll live up to that promise, only a decade or so too late.
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The first two thirds, at least, were a good film that lived up to expectations. The ending was the main disappointment... they should have used Kevin Williamson's original ending, where Sydney's boyfriend, her roommate, and eventually Cotton Weary are all the killers... and I think Sydney died at the end. THAT might've topped the original. As is, though, it's a watchable slasher film.
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That was funny.
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Seriously. Ghostface needs to be meaner if this is going to work. Make him bigger, scarier, more lethal, and give him a deeper, darker voice. Old ghostface, in this day and age, doesn't have the same impact.
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I think the first two movies on VHS are buried somewhere at my parent's house. Do they really think they're going to "franchise" this? It's frozen in time, too hip to be campy and too campy to be hip. Let's have another Freddy movie!
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therefore i am. make that shit post-post-modern, yo
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it doesn't look like it's spelled right when it's actually spelled right. (this is both an actual observation and a potential post-post-modern tagline)
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Scream 1 and 2 were great fun back in the day but Scream 3 sucked balls. I could probably give a "10 Years Later" type of Scream 4 a shake, but going the New Nightmare route... some kind of quasi-horror parody of a quasi-horror parody... yeah, count me out.
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That reminds me, you ever see any of those late nineties/early 2000's Rob Schneider comedies where, instead of adding jokes to the script, they just play "Allstar" by Smash Mouth while showing Schneider like, walking down the street, or just taking a nap?
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is a guilty pleasure. Wow the internet can be so depressing at times.
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Maybe they'll pull it off again.
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...We All Scream For Ice Cream!
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It brought brought it good it was fun, and it still kicks ass. Still waiting for Joel "Ultimate Frisbee King" Silver to release "Fat Tuesday" also known as "Dead Easy" on DVD or Cinema. We won't think you are Racist Joel. Release the fucking thing already, will ya! One more Tales.
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It brought it. Brought it good. It was fun.
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Jan 14, 2009 12:07:49 AM CST
This movie could really only be good if it stared Bruce Campbell
by robertkent.net
And it was called Evil Dead 4
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part 2 was tolerable but it wasn't necessary at all. The third one was awful. I'm hoping the 4th is good again. Perhaps they could make Neve Campbell one of the killers...that would be a nice change. Let her kill everyone.
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I'd see it
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