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The Big Twists are back, and so are the impossible choices.
After 2007's underwhelming family-fueled sixth season and last November’s mediocre “Redemption” TV-movie, “24” comes roaring back tonight and tomorrow with four exciting and engrossing hours that place Jack Bauer among a crew of D.C.-based FBI strangers wary (if sometimes admiring) of his by-any-means-necessary reputation.
If you watched the “Redemption” DVD, which contains the first act Sunday’s first episode, you know it begins with some spectacular vehicular mayhem as top computer engineer Michael Latham (John Billingsley) finds his life turned upside down in the space of a minute.
In the season’s second minute we’re reintroduced to Bauer as he testifies before a congressional committee led by dour and judgmental U.S. Sen. Blaine Meyer (Kurtwood Smith), who doesn’t seem at all happy that Jack has employed torture to prevent nuclear weapons from being deployed on U.S. soil. Bauer does not deny torturing, nor does he apologize for it. “Am I above the law? No, sir,” Bauer tells the senator. “I am more than willing to be judged by the people you claim to represent. But please do not sit there with that smug look on your face and expect me to regret the decisions I have made. Because, sir, the truth is, I don't.” No one speaks in Bauer’s defense, and it looks like he’s headed to trial and perhaps another lengthy stint in prison.
Proceedings are interrupted by hot FBI girl Renee Walker (“General Hospital” redhead Annie Wersching), who enters the hearing room brandishing a subpoena and insisting to the lawmakers that Bauer must attend to an even more urgent matter.
In the next few minutes we meet the four main players in Walker’s FBI office, all of whom mirror types we’ve seen in the (now disbanded) Los Angeles Counter-Terrorism Unit:
1) Larry Moss (Jeffrey Nordling), the team’s George Mason-like by-the-book overseer;
2) Renee Walker herself, a field agent who most closely approximates Bauer;
3) Janis Gold (Janeane Garofalo, who supervised Mary Lynn Rajskub as head booker on “The Larry Sanders Show”), a Chloe O’Brien-like computer wiz; and
4) Sean Hillinger (Rhys Coiro, who played obnoxious film director Billy Walsh on “Entourage”), a snippy computer geek in the tradition of Milo Pressman, but with a personal stake in the events fast unfolding around him.
At minute 10 we see sweaty, bloodied Latham, his fingernails all removed, now hard at work for his abductors. Then we see air crews preparing for a D.C.-to-New York flight. Will this be “Die Hard 2”? “United 93 II”?
At minute 13 Jack is in Walker’s FBI office, being shown a recent surveillance photo of Tony Almeida, a former Bauer colleague we saw “murdered” in season five. Jack is told that DNA was extracted from the exhumed corpse buried in Tony’s grave; that DNA did not match Tony’s. (This is not much of a spoiler, by the way. Leaving aside all the publicity attending Tony’s return, Carlos Bernard’s name is in the opening credits, and Tony himself turns up before the first commercial break, supervising Latham’s tormenters.)
We won’t learn until hour four how Tony isn’t dead, but we’ll learn soon enough that Tony is still plenty angry about the light sentence afforded President Charles Logan following the violent murder of Tony’s wife Michelle Dessler. And it turns out Dessler’s demise really did turn Tony into a Very Bad Man.
When we come back from the first set of commercials, we meet the three main players at the White House:
1) New U.S. president Allison Taylor (Cherry Jones), hours away from launching an invasion to designed to stop genocidal African dictator Juma from slaughtering another 100,000 Sengalans;
2) her Novick-like expository device, chief of staff Ethan Kanin (Bon Gunton); and
3) her Martha Loganesque husband, Henry Taylor (Colm Feore), who stubbornly refuses to believe his (and the president’s) stockbroker son took his own life. With his wife distracted by the Sengalese, he undertakes a covert investigation that leads him to his son’s fabulous girlfriend, Samantha Roth (Carly Pope).
(Defeated former president Noah Daniels and presidential advisor Tom Lennox, who returned for “Redemption,” are not in the first four hours of the season proper.)
At minute 24, an airliner lurches, knocking over a nervous stewardess’ cups and saucers. The biggest “24” fun is spring-loaded into its surprises, so we won’t get into what happens after minute 24. Just know that the show feels rejuvenated by its new supporting cast and venue, and a bit more sure-footed than it did at the start of season six.
I’m not sure everything makes sense (do White House advisors really believe Americans would begin rioting if they had to make do without electricity for a few days?), but it does feel like the real “24” is back for the first time in more than two and a half years.
Entertainment Weekly gives it an “B-plus” and says:
… you'll feel the warm glow of sadistic glee that signals a jolly good start for vintage 24 mayhem. …
TV Guide says:
… With CTU now disbanded, Jack "on trial" for his sins and Tony back in the mix, the new season starts off with much promise. … Adhering to the belief (irrefutable fact?) that no day can be as plodding as No. 6, I'm more than willing to see where 24's latest one takes us.
Newsweek says:
… This was supposed to be the season when the writers shook things up, and they have, at least cosmetically. … But the show is still loaded with the same clichés—they've just been moved 3,000 miles east. …
The New York Times says:
… The novelty of the hour-by-hour conceit wore off long ago, and the various plot devices and characters are all familiar. The fun, at least at the beginning of a new season, is in seeing how the creators will rejigger the pieces this time around. The premiere has a promising car crash but not many surprises. …
The New York Daily News says:
… Best of all, the show's long break seems to have rejuvenated its story lines, in which intense, rapid-fire action plays out against the backdrop of a complex, methodical geopolitical chess game. If it doesn't aspire to be "The West Wing," "24" understands the dramatic value of injecting "West Wing"-style political challenges. …
The Los Angeles Times says:
… Mercifully, the action soon pulls (mostly) away from sticky moralizing into a classic bullet-riddled "24" plot. … Sutherland, bless his soul, plays Jack absolutely and brilliantly straight. All super-spies have broken hearts, which they camouflage with martinis or dames or icy blue eyes, but Jack Bauer wears his right on his sleeve, even as he picks up that pen and heads for the first available eardrum. …
The Chicago Tribune says:
… Whether or not you agree with Jack’s position on extreme interrogation, you’ll likely agree that the show’s reliance on the ticking-bomb scenario has grown tiresome. …
The San Francisco Chronicle says:
… After watching the first four episodes, it's clear that despite the familiar adrenaline rush and a (temporarily) tighter rein on the ridiculous, "24" hasn't changed much at all. …
The Denver Post says:
Judging by the first four hours, "24" has successfully kick-started Season 7 with an invigorating change of location, new faces and multiple layers of conspiracies and coverups suited to its venue: Washington, D.C. …
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette says:
… Making Tony a villain seems like a betrayal of the character viewers knew. This season doesn't really kick into gear until night two …
The Sacramento Bee says:
… If there was anything good that came out of the writers strike, it's that it gave producers of Fox's "24" time to get their act together. When the new season premieres Sunday night with two new hours, the electricity, the adrenaline rushes and the fun will be back. …
The Newark Star-Ledger says:
… Of course, the First Gentleman is going to try to leave the White House without his Secret Service detail once you see all the people trying to keep tabs on him. Of course, Jack's FBI handler will have no choice but to take Jack off his leash once it becomes clear there's a traitor in the office and nobody can be trusted. Of course, Jack has to try to strangle someone if it means stopping an impending gas attack. Of course, Kim Bauer is going to go with the crazy mountain man if he'll get her away from the cougar. Under the circumstances created by the "24" writers, it makes perfect sense for the characters to make the same mistakes, over and over and over again, because the story never leaves them another option. But it's still stupid behavior, and the more the characters argue the logic behind their decisions, the more obvious the stupidity - and the plot mechanics that led to it - becomes. …
The Cleveland Plain Dealer says:
… the obvious question is, "Was it worth the wait?" Well, yes …
The Rocky Mountain News says:
… We suspend disbelief because that's what this series calls for, and because the urgency of the performances is compelling. Sutherland's Jack Bauer remains the surliest of lost souls; he's on no one's side but his own. Annie Wersching excels as an FBI agent who takes Jack into her confidence. And Jones continues to astonish as President Taylor, pivoting between motherly angst and steely conviction. Factor in shootouts, car chases, an assassination and a kidnapping (not to mention the requisite double-crosses) and these four hours have a little something for everyone.…
The Boston Herald says:
… feels like a mash-up of all the boring parts of seasons past, minus, of course, that nuclear bomb that hit California. Viewers will be checking their own clocks, waiting for this slog to end.
The Boston Globe says:
… With two action-packed hours tomorrow night and two more on Monday, the series starts off with its usual mind-blowing gusto intact. …
Variety says:
After a subpar "day" followed by a strike-fueled hiatus, "24" gets solidly back to basics … the hero born coincidentally in Sept. 11's wake will improbably survive the Bush administration -- and if this level of quality can persist, perhaps well beyond. … Whatever its flaws, this edition of "24" features smart, crisp and densely woven storytelling whose subplots look to be on a well-orchestrated collision course. Now let's just hope they can keep that up.
The Hollywood Reporter says:
… the now customary two-night, four-hour kickoff finds the series returning to its heart-in-your-throat best, replete with old villains, intricate conspiracies, moral quandaries and political intrigue. What easily could have devolved into self-parody has again become a riveting thriller that hits the ground sprinting. Of course, that also was the case at the beginning of the sixth season, and it didn't last, so we'll have to see if "24" can avoid the dreaded March and April qualitative blues this time around. …
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better than "First!"
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PLEASE let this not be good for 4-6 hours and then turn back to the suck.
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Not that it matters really Can't wait. Where's Kim?
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To wait for the start of season 7 that is.
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... How many different stories there are to tell in this format. It would have been far more interesting if they had taken terrorists out of the equation seasons ago. Day 3 dealt with drug trafficking (but switched to terrorism soon after), but what if Jack went to join the cops or something and a case was falling apart 24 hours before the trial was about to start. The real time format could be applied to any story, I think, so why stick with the terrorists all the time? Also, season 8 should see Jack doing a Tony and completely switch allegiances and become the bad guy. Then it ends. Still, can't wait for this one to pop up on this side of the ocean. (Ah, bless the wonders of bit torrent).
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I have no problem believing 24 is still capable of bring it in the first few hours. In spite of how most of the past few seasons have played out, I think many of us would agree to that. Unfortunately, the real question for 24 has become whether or not it can remain entertaining and plausible (in the loosest sense of the word) in addition to suspenseful for the course of the season. No small feat, that.
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...seem to have not done any basic research. They're talking about how the strike gave the writers an extended break to recharge their batteries, but the strike had absolutely no impact on these early episodes. They shot eight episodes prior to the strike. They could've looked this up very easily.
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I'm excited. Even though season 6 was a shit sandwich.
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There's not enough time!
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24, BSG, good times.
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Jude Ciccolella is an underrated actor...
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...Americans WOULD begin rioting if they had to make do without electricity for a few days.
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I didn't riot once. Neither did the neighbors. Unless of course by "riot" you mean "sit on the porch and catch up on some reading."
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"10 Things U Need 2 Know" will air tonight after 24.
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living in Texas, without the airconditioner turned on, the heat will eventually get to you. I've never rioted or anything of that such, but the thought did cross my mind during the blackout.
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Having grown up in south west florida.(and lived through dozens of powerfull hurricanes) i have gone days(weeks occasionally)with out electricity quite a few summers growing up. I never rioted, my family never rioted, the neighboors never rioted, in fact no one in the area rioted.
so quit talking out of your butt, about things you dont know.
yes its an inconvience but you make do and you go on until the power comes back on.
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and I don't mean a slutty 45 year old. I mean an actual cougar will save the day.
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There was a lot of rioting and looting then but that was the 60s. I believe it was caused by Scott Bakula and a hairdryer.
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Huh?
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if there's any more Pope cavorting in her underwear?Strike or not, the first handful of episodes have never had any resemblance to what follows.
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We answer for a couple of power companies, and...YES, they WOULD riot.
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And there was no rioting in the '65 blackout and very little looting. There WAS rioting in New York during a short '77 blackout, but the city was coked to the gills at the time.
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will Jon Voight resemble Habib Marwan or Phillip Bauer in his evilness?
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So can the cougar. I hope they'll reveal her as the final big bang.
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After the let down season 6 was, I'm excited about how season 7 is starting out. I need my 24 fix!
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But if the power went out in four American states, there would be riots.
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The average American would flip out after realising that, not only can they not watch "24", but all of their frozen yogurt has melted!
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But still no Mandy. I'm a sad panda.And I don't know about rioting but there'd definitely be looting. No security systems, no cell phones, no way to get gas, it'd be hard to buy things, cops would be hard to get a hold of and their response times would be longer and no American Idol. Come to think of it, there'd be riots too.
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Maybe they should change the sound of the countdown clock to the pinging sound of someone hitting a spitoon.
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what's next, a black guy? or maybe a muslim! this show is so unrealistic.
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yup I'm in NYC and there was a blackout a few summers ago...lasted about 1.5 days...no rioting occured...people just mingled about out on the streets...biggest issue was the fact that all the traffic lights did not work so there had to be a cop stationed at every light to direct traffic...for me the biggest issue was no AC...was hot as hell the day of the blackout...was also earily quiet...didn't realize that electricity made so much noise
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As one of the many people who demonized Fox News, Rupert Murdoch and Bushco, I find it really sad she has proven to have NO STANDARDS. This is the same goddamned thing Linda McCartney did when she chose animal tested treatments in her fight against Cancer. There is no more " Give me Liberty or Give me Death" it is now " Give me MONEY and I'll see what I CAN DO". Fucking sellouts!
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Sixties or seventies. People stayed in and fucked and looks like they couldn't make it out for contraceptives.
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She's an actress. No liberals can ever work for Fox? That's just silly.
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Seems blackouts were occurring on the US grid and the Spooks wanted to know if it was terrorism. Turned out to be mutated bacteria.But the issue of US, and I suppose any intelligence agencies, paranoia and the fact that something could very well mutate to eat plastic, much like the radiation eating biology found at Chernobyl, made for some thought provoking tv. God I miss that show.
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remember when the Baldwins threatened to leave the Us if Bush was elected? Once people had real standards. Codes of conduct they would die for. Now everybody is a idealogical relativist pursuing cash. One leads by example not language.
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that cost $4.99 at the airport.
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Tofu and bean sprouts.
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I cried when they shot Medgar Evers
Tears ran down my spine
I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy
As though I'd lost a father of mine
But Malcolm X got what was coming
He got what he asked for this time
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
I go to civil rights rallies
And I put down the old D.A.R.
I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy
I hope every colored boy becomes a star
But don't talk about revolution
That's going a little bit too far
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
I cheered when Humphrey was chosen
My faith in the system restored
I'm glad the commies were thrown out
of the A.F.L. C.I.O. board
I love Puerto Ricans and Negros
as long as they don't move next door
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
The people of old Mississippi
Should all hang their heads in shame
I can't understand how their minds work
What's the matter don't they watch Les Crain?
But if you ask me to bus my children
I hope the cops take down your name
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
I read New republic and Nation
I've learned to take every view
You know, I've memorized Lerner and Golden
I feel like I'm almost a Jew
But when it comes to times like Korea
There's no one more red, white and blue
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
I vote for the democratic party
They want the U.N. to be strong
I go to all the Pete Seeger concerts
He sure gets me singing those songs
I'll send all the money you ask for
But don't ask me to come on along
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
Once I was young and impulsive
I wore every conceivable pin
Even went to the socialist meetings
Learned all the old union hymns
But I've grown older and wiser
And that's why I'm turning you in
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal -
I cried when they shot John Lennon
Tears ran down my spine
And I cried when I saw "JFK"
As though I'd lost a father of mine
But Malcolm X and Ice-T had it coming
They got what they asked for this time
CHORUS
So love me, love me, love me
I'm a liberal
I go to pro-choice rallies
Recycle my cans and jars
I'll honk if you love the Dead
Hope those funny grunge bands become stars
But don't talk about revolution
That's going a little bit too far
CHORUS
I cheered when Clinton was chosen
My faith in the system reborn
I'll do anything to save our schools
If my taxes ain't too much more
And I love blacks and gays and Latinos
As long as they don't move next door
CHORUS
Rush Limbaugh and the L.A.P.D.
Should all hang their heads in shame
I can't understand where they're at
Arsenio should set them straight
But if Neigborhood Watch doesn't know you
I hope the cops take your name
CHORUS
Yeh, I read the New Republic(an)
Rolling Stone and Mother Jones too
If I vote it's a Democrat
With a sensible economy view
But when it comes to terrorist Arabs
There's no one more red, white and blue
CHORUS
Once I was young and had an attitude
Stickers covered the car I drove in
Even went on some direct actions
When there weren't rent-a-cops to be seen
Ah, but now I've grown older and wiser
And that's why I'm turning you in
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C'mon all you creative geniuses.
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Jan 11, 2009 8:49:28 AM CST
Obviously Jack can't take pain meds, how the fuck does he walk a
by evilwizardglick
In the timeline Jack has to be damn near fifty. His body must ache like an old hooker after a gangbang. Since he had that teeny addiction problem we know he doesn't handle pain meds. So how the fuck does he walk, or stand, or even sit without screeching in agony?
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In the hospital. Pneumonia. Just what killed Bernie Mac and a whole slew of others with diseases like Cancer and AIDS.
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We all know that. Before Bush CTU was the top rated unit in the country. He leaves office and it gets disbanded.
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Jan 11, 2009 9:23:32 AM CST
Garofalo on Marc Maron & Sam Seder's streaming video show
by brandloyalist
Video at maronvseder.com or audio only in iTunes or MP3 format at airamerica.com . She brought a 24 clip of sorts.
Seder and Garofalo used to do a radio show together, "The Majority Report". Since then, Seder and Maron have both been fired by Air America at least twice each, so far (the same Air America that once took Rachel Maddow from her 9-12 morning slot and exiled her to a 1 hour 5:00 AM show - her worth, in their estimation; the same Air America that gave Rosanne a week long audition to become their new late afternoon host). Janeane Garofalo and H. Jon Benjamin have been regulars on Maron's and Seder's various shows, appearing to do bits and whatnot. -
as a guest star: http://tinyurl.com/82bfv5.
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The "santa-esque" Jack sack must be present. It's the neverending bullet-supplying, cell-phone-carrying, stuff that goes explodie bag that every man wants. Maybe this year, it'll have more "Damnits" it there so that every frat boy in the country gets so wasted before college classes start tomorrow that they can barely breathe. And maybe "24" shows us who should actually be prez: a woman. I don't know about you, but Hill in the White House would scare me into paying my taxes and ducking sniper fire while a young girl reads me poetry. -M
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Lie down. Put a cool, damp towel on your forehead. Try to relax. It's just a TV show. Actors and such... nothing real. You'll be alright. No worries, mate.
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I hope so, the show needs a change of scenery
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Anyone with Bit Torrent and an internet connection can see it.
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Although, it's more of a "Have you heard the good news about our lord?" style briefcase thingy. Not an explodie aspect to it. But, it does have the shoulder strap, so, it's got that goin' for it.Hopefully, we'll see something more Jack-appropriate later in the day.
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Jan 11, 2009 11:50:41 AM CST
Wait - you mean there are familiar characters in 24?? No!
by theseeker7
Surely you jest! I mean c'mon, every new season they've returned they've done so with a new slate of original, compelling characters thru which to tell a very gripping and intense yet human story.
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And he's a Jack Russell Terrier so he can pretty much go for 24 hours. Kinda looks like Kiefer did in the Season 2 opener.
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Man, I had a crush on her for the LONGEST fucking time, she was just the epitome of so cuddly adorable. I saw on West Wing she was starting to slip, but was still servicable. The photo though does her no favors. Well and plus she kinda sold out, years ago she got WAY thin to "play the game". Say it ain't so, Janeane.
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But it didn't go along with the Quantum Leap joke.
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As a matter of fact it is attitudes like yours that allow these idealogical scumbags to skate. Once again actions speak louder than words. Fucking Ice T plays a cop and Ice Cube does shitty family pics. Once these people were cultural icons. Now they are ALL sellouts. But of course when South Park points out what hypocritical gas bags people like Clooney, Cruise or Rosie are you agree and chortle merrily. You can not have it both ways. Maybe you should learn to discern and develop some perspective or possibly maturity.
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Kiefer Sutherland's mother, Shirley Douglas, protested the Viet Nam War and hung out with the Black Panthers. Kiefer Sutherland's grandfather Tommy Douglas brought about socialized medicine in Canada. Kiefer wanted to play his grandfather in the Canadian TV movie but 24 and it conflicted - plus in the end the TV movie REALLY sucked.
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Jan 11, 2009 12:50:15 PM CST
“When I see the American flag, I go, 'Oh my God, you're insultin
by evilwizardglick
One of her quotes
“You have to have a lot more dedication to what I'll call 'the machine,' ... I have 20 percent dedication. What's needed is 110 percent. You can't have it with the level of apathy I have.”
“I feel like the American people are being lied to and manipulated. [President Bush] is trying to force 9/11 and Saddam together.” -
Garofalo has been open and outspoken regarding her progressive political views, appearing in the past with figures such as Ralph Nader (whom she supported in the 2000 election, but opposed in 2004) and Jello Biafra at various events.
She is an atheist and has participated in a radio interview by Freethought Radio, a show by the Freedom From Religion Foundation.[7]
Following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, she was quoted as saying (in the November 2001 issue of Commentary), "Who would have thought that I'd be angry on behalf of my country? I'm used to being angry at my country."
She became more prominent as an activist when she voiced opposition to what became the 2003 Iraq War, appearing on CNN and Fox News to discuss it. She said that she was approached by groups such as MoveOn.org and Win Without War to go on TV, because these organizations say that the networks were not allowing antiwar voices to be heard. Garofalo and the other celebrities who appeared at the time said they thought their fame could lend attention to that side of the debate. Her appearances on cable news prior to the war garnered her praise from the left and spots on the cover of Ms. and Venus magazines. Garofalo has had frequent on-air political disputes with Bill O'Reilly, Brian Kilmeade, and Jonah Goldberg.[8]
Prior to the 2003 Iraq War, she took a position on the threat posed by Saddam Hussein. For example, in an interview with Tony Snow on a February 23, 2003 episode of Fox News Sunday, [9] Garofalo said of Saddam Hussein, "Yes, I think lots of people are eager to obtain weapons of mass destruction. But there's no evidence that he (Hussein) has weapons of mass destruction. There's been no evidence of him testing nuclear weapons. We have people that are in our face with nuclear weapons. We've got Iran and North Korea. We've got a problem with Pakistan. You know, I don't know what to say about that. There's a whole lot of people that are going nuclear. And I think that Saddam Hussein is actually, with the evidence, the least able to use nuclear weapons and the least obvious offender in that area at this moment."
In March 2003, she took part in the Code Pink antiwar march in Washington, D.C. That fall, she served as emcee at several stops on the Tell Us the Truth tour, a political-themed concert series featuring Steve Earle, Billy Bragg, Tom Morello, and others. Throughout the year, Garofalo also actively campaigned for Howard Dean.
[edit] Air America Radio
In late March 2004 she became a co-host for Air America Radio's new show The Majority Report alongside Sam Seder. Garofalo once said getting on the radio was an early career goal. A program advertisement: "The battle to reclaim America from the forces of darkness continues with hosts Janeane Garofalo and Sam Seder." The early days of Air America Radio are chronicled in the documentary Left of the Dial, which includes a debate between Garofalo and her conservative father Carmine, who was initially a regular guest on The Majority Report.
Garofalo was criticized[10] by some of her listeners for comments she made on her April 28, 2006 show supporting Scientology-linked New York Rescue Worker's Detoxification Program,[11] a controversial treatment for workers now suffering ailments from 9/11 clean-up efforts in New York City.
On July 14, 2006, Garofalo announced that she would be leaving her co-host position on The Majority Report. Although several reasons for her departure were cited, including her outside acting responsibilities, the relationship between Garofalo and co-host Seder had become increasingly strained, largely due to her support for the Scientology-linked program. Garofalo responded to Seder's opposition to the program, suggesting that he would not have a problem with it if it were linked to Jews rather than Scientologists. Seder, who is Jewish, and his producer walked off the set in angry protest.[12]
During a July 19 broadcast, while Seder and Garofalo were interviewing actor Jason Bateman, Garofalo cited her reason for leaving the show as precipitated by several "unrecoverable" on-air arguments with Seder; she also said that she regards Seder as the better radio broadcaster and therefore a better choice to continue The Majority Report.
Her last broadcast as co-host of The Majority Report aired on July 21, 2006. Since then, she has made a few appearances on The Sam Seder Show. She called on October 4, 2006 to discuss the Mark Foley scandal and on October 31, 2006 she was in studio, where she portrayed Katherine Harris in a Halloween skit. Garofalo has continued to portray Harris on the show in numerous appearances following the 2006 elections.
Garofalo made a series of appearances in New York and Los Angeles with Henry Rollins and former AAR personality Marc Maron in April 2007. -
Now did he? JG is part of the limousine liberal crowd, like Al Gore or Rosie, who want people to do as they say and not as they do. Like I said if South Park used her in an episode people would be all aflutter at the deep observational humor on what a hypocrite she is.
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when he attacked it in that hotel when he was drunk but thankfully it was just an Xmas tree. And JG is looking worse for wear. Couldn't they have just had Chloe transfer to the FBI?
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The time is now. Do it!
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I lived in Quebec, went two weeks during bruttaly cold nights in January, with no electricity or water, and while there was the occasional argument in restaurants with generators, people were pretty calm. That was the worst blackout in N.American history.
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Jan 11, 2009 1:42:36 PM CST
People here in NH lost power for days just a couple weeks ago.
by catvutt
No rioting. An awful lot of whining, but no rioting.
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Is everything we'll be seeing tonight filmed last year? Were some things redone? I wonder if such a long break in filming will be noticable.
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...as I'm sure many of you whom have watched Redemption on DVD have too... but if you haven't then looky here...
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a137311/2009-tv-preview-the-return-of-24.html
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I stab a m'fucker. SAY SUMTHIN.
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I didn't know there were going to be commercial breaks...
BTW, Naked Mandy licking Naked Kim. Let me write the next season of 24 and you will be seeing 24 hours of this... -
Naked Carly Pope joins in for a mid-season cliff hanger...
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Guess he'll miss out this season's helping of Jack Bauer saving the country... AGAIN! >:)
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I don't normally even pay attention to that stuff, but her brows were wicked weird and ugly-alien looking.
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How about ever time Jack says Dammit an Angel gets his wings
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Somewhere every time he says Dammit a man gets a bj
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you made your point. She's in a project distributed by Fox. She's not servicing Rupert Murdock while wearing a T-shirt with Dubya wiping his ass with the Constitution. You don't seem to have a problem with outspoken conservative actors like Arnold, Willis and the Zombie Heston working with liberals.
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Garofalo has stated even though she finds torture deplorable, she realizes 24 is a fictional show and she wanted to work with her old pal...Ike left me without power for 9 days at home and 17 days at work. After tiring of smelling like sweat from head to toe and a (fortunately unfounded) fear that Katrina rejects were going to stir up trouble, I traveled to my grandparents in College Station for a few days, where I endured another kind of irritation: 90 year olds who can't hear shit, watch Matlock marathons on WGN, and a home health worker who gives her opinion on anything without me asking for it.
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...for three minutes this morning when I plugged in the coffeemaker and the toaster into the same crappy outlet.
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Anyone else notice that?
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That looks like Jack's son err nephew. I'm not reading the spoilers so I guess I will find out.
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That photo's from season 6 thank god. If the producers even mention Bauer's evil family this year, I'm jumping ship for good. Saw the first hour, though, and it's definitely great.
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Look, he had the Jack Sack in Africa, I doubt he brought it to the Senate hearings (Jack Sack knows too much!) but once the body count starts to pile high enough (say Hour 10 or so) I am confident that the World's Deadliest Manpurse will make his way back into "24." In the meantime, you can find him here: http://thejacksack.com
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Maybe Tony's head injury made him go nuts like Harvey Dent. It's a perfectly valid explanation!
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Was anyone else annoyed by the amount of product placement there was in the two hour movie, or at least how poorly it was worked in? I know it's a part of network TV, but I was a little surprised they didn't have Jack pretending to be a door-greeter at Walmart as a part of his disguise, or have him take off his shirt only to reveal a body tattoo of the Geico gecko.
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Billy Walsh returns!
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And he don't do 'suits'
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oh yea
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makes a huge difference!
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Woo!
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what a badass. Makes no sense, but oh well....
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so far, I'm saying people just aren't watching the show like they used to.
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Can't trust illegal aliens... >:(
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There loss.....
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Opps...I meant 'their"......
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24: The Next Generation.
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hopefully more people will be around tomorrow night for the next 2 hours.
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I think I sense a handwriting lesson coming soon.
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Is that the same guy who was the bomb-happy Irish guy in Sin City?
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Surprised nobody's made the "Die Hard II" reference yet with respect to Tony's plan.
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And S. Aces, All About The Benjamins, and a ton of other films with an Irish-Heavy
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Jack vs. Tony... same training, same skills, same contacts, different sides! Who will WIN??? >:)
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an Irish version of the Joker???
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It'll be fine to see old faces, but the new cast looks to have real potential so far.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I like the fact that everyone seems to be competent in their jobs. I like this better than the CTU freakshow of incompetents with massive problems.
And yes, if they crash the plane, I can't beleive no one on staff called shenanigans on the Die Hard 2 plot theft. -
I thought they abandoned the whole "mole" plotline?
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It was was. Don't you love not having an edit function?
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See what I 'can' do! Damn, Tony got cold!
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I was expecting an X-Wing to show up on the JFK runway.
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Damn being on the west coast. Damnit!
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is Jon Cusack from Grosse Point High
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lame watchmen spot.
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which is a shame cos she was insanely cute back in the day...it seems to be around 2001 or so that she takes a major fall. I caught an interview with her on youtube on the conan O Brien show back in 1994 and she was adorable, and hell, Ive even tried to sit through The Truth About Cats And Dogs to check her out..but NOW? it just goes to show that treing to loose weight (particularly whn you didnt need to loose any in the first place) is not always the best option.....
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Let them market it like a typical superhero movie to bring in the people. As long as the movie is good.
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but i can't help but feel nausea.
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Every second? Phew.
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what files are important to delete...but then again, the FBI supposedly has a way to restore them...maybe they should've used Eraser.
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Least amount of comments ever for 24 (2 hours, too!). Tony, what happened to you???
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This is definitely not the least amount of comments ever for 24. This is actually a pretty good turnout compared to some of those season 6 talkbacks.
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Surely you know how screwy the politics of Hollywood are? And yes, I just called you Shirley. I don't know what tweeked your squelch knob and I don't care. I was only suggesting that you might lighten up a bit. The world's crazy enough as it is. But, if you like, go ahead, take Mr. Peabody's "Wayback Machine" back to 1968. Have fun. You'll love it there. Meanwhile, this is a talkback for fans of 24. Let's not turn it into some political, mud-slinging flamewar. I think we all had enough of politics in 2008. Shit! I'm missing the show! Later.
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Holy crap. Now I really can't wait for it to start here.
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Heroes is in deeper shit than they are now.
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In case anyone else here is as slow as I am, I just figured out that the President's dead son was the dude with the drug addict friend who gets murdered in Redemption. So, sometime after that, the son dies. And...that will eventually lead us back to Jon Voight.
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Who thinks the First Husband's Secret Service guy will turn out to be evil?
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I'm SHOCKED...............Oh, and I would like to make the beast with two backs with the woman who plays Agent Walker. She's HOT!
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... that Carly Pope's character is OCD and has to shower every hour. The Jack Bauer Flower Power Shower Hour! Even that little speech about her aunt's tax dodge was hot!
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stay tuned
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I liked Jack's new partner, plus she looks like she can really handle herself. How do you go from acting on General Hospital to 24 in one easy step though?
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...for a KIEFCASE!!!!
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Das right.
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The freckles are a bonus too. Dear lord, good question chimjnr- how did she make the transition. Well, that's acting for you.
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"The novelty of the hour-by-hour conceit wore off long ago" Are you fucking serious ..Yeah seven seasons of one show using a brilliantly new and inventive format that is excellent for building immediate suspense and Threat has really worn off. No what we really want is the conventional format weve seen used in hundreds and hundreds of worthless seasons of boring shit Television re used over and over again. The Real time formula is one that should be applied to lots of other shows from all genres. Its hardly been used at all.
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KIEFCASE !!!! hahahaa. you win on all levels
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Jack Vs. Gingervitis jokes.
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...was when the FBI office boss said "we've got 3 dead at the scene" after the guy Jack and female-Jack were visiting was sniped along with his bouncer-friend. That's only 2 dead. Was it an honest mistake - or is something more evil afoot? A nice start to the season, I must say, except for the heavy handed repetition of "We're the FBI -- not CTU -- we follow the law here!" One thing was missing for me though -- the soul-patch.
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Haven't watched it yet but I have faithfully watched every single year and believe me, the plots DO eventually all become the same and the torture and right wing bias of some of the show's creative personnel (though Kiefer is very liberal) has gotten REAL old. The UN guy was portrayed cartoonishly in "Redemption" and I just am so sick of the same old torture. Every time it's "Jack tortures guy, guy does not give in, Jack tortures him some more, he gets info, moves on to the next guy." It's gotten SO old and in the post-Bush era there has to be a more enlightened view, even for 24. Maybe 24 could avoid changing stripes if the plots weren't all so tired, but I have watched all seven seasons and I'm here to tell you, it's tired. That said I love Kiefer so I hope for the best.
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That was two fantastic hours of television. Can't wait to see Jack interrogate Tony tomorrow night!
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take a drink of an alcoholic beverage of your choice.
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She sure is purdy!!
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Only 2 hours in and this is already vastly better than season 6. The thing I was most concerned about were the new characters they'd be introducing, and so far, the new characters are really good. As mentioned above, they all seem professional, there isn't constant whining/problems/relationships. And they got Billy Walsh in there! He's really funny in this. Color me surprised, but this season is starting out very high, I'm talking a season 1/2/5 level of awesome.
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Not Great not terrible.
But at least the first two hours built up to events that actually seem germaine to the overall story.
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... watched it on time-shifting from west coast station. Here's hoping it's a great season. Was famished for months for my faves 24 and Lost to return. How many moles are in the national security? :D They need to do better background checks on the people they hire, lol. And yet another office romance, sheesh. Glad to see Garofalo, I've always liked her. But is there room for 2 funny females in a drama thriller like this... Chloe, where are you?
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Dude exactly what I was saying earlier. I was practically flat out in love with this chick from the early 90's on, and yea Cats & Dogs is a great example of her uber-adorableness. Plus I really dug her comedy too. I saw her headlining at the Improv once in LA, and at one point I walked RIGHT past her back in the hallways earlier in the night, I got so giddy like a fuckin geek :p
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...wish the real U.S. government would have been so honorable with regards to Darfur, but I guess when Sudan is allied with China you don't want to step on their toes. So, this new female President is to be more honorable than past ones...maybe character was written pre-Hillary losing the Democratic ticket, hehe. Having an African leader villain though seems far-fetched, maybe they've run out of plausible ethnicities to use. Sure there are plenty of awful maniacal African leaders but they haven't threatened international interests...yet.
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Just holy shit good. I'm abstaining from watching hour 4 until tomorrow night, but it's gonna be hard. If you thought 24 was good tonight, just wait.
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Is one hot G girl. I'd Mirandizer hard, if you know what I'm saying.
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Thank God for the Internet!
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time to take your pro-war conditioning medicine.
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The change in scenery definitely helps, and the new partner seems like a good fit. She even spits out her own version of "dammit." But it only took them 1:05:00 to out the first mole, and there was no Naked Mandy nor Naked Pope.And, when they revealed that Tony isn't the one giving the orders, but the one taking them, I suspect he might now be what he seems.
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AICN primitive TB FTL.
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I can't believe his wife's death would flip him to the point that he wants to fuck up the whole country. Go find Logan and kill him (is he still alive?) but to turn completely batshit crazy...that must have been some mean pussy to make him go all 'Darth Vader'.
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Considering that the TB has to generate more hits than the lame as stories themselves, you'd think they'd drag the technology into the early 2000's.
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I like it.
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...has commented on the "We have three bodies at the scene" comment that the FBI boss made on the phone when the sniper only killed two. C'mon folks? Where are your tin-foil conspiracy hats?
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"Say, I wonder why our high-tech surveillance camera went out at the last second... let's send the lone guy outside to check it out. Oh no! I am running away now!"
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real bad guy is not the African guy but Jon Voight's character...I think they filmed these early episodes before the strike so Voight was not onboard yet...I'm liking the First Husband played by Colm Fiore...overall even the DC political stuff is interesting this season to go along with Jack's adventures
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one more thing...didn't the African guy who met with Tony die in the Redemption movie?...thought he was blown up when Jack's buddy stepped off the land mine
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He was never really an ops type of a guy. I think he gave Jack trouble because Jack was holding back. If it was Vampire Jack, his throat would have already been removed.
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How about that pounce that Jack did at the end of episode 2? Totally badass and he got some serious air! Can't wait till the next two episodes, the previews were action packed!
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...since Rush Limbaugh keeps promoting it on his radio shit show. I think that torture should be illegal, even if it would save millions of lives from a nuclear bomb. Our morality is more important than the millions of deaths that would happen from nuclear fallout.
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I am very liberal, and I believe torture should be illegal. However, if an agent has reasonable reason to believe of an imminent threat and that a suspect had knowledge of the details of that threat, I would be fine if they tortured him. Reasonable does not mean he was an arab who did not fully cooperate when the US military bombed his house and killed his daughter. Also, any person involved in the torture should be prepared to go to jail for their actions, but that's a risk the individual would have to make. U
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Thanks for proving yourself a dumb ass BicNowler. I love when foreigners make blanket statements about Americans when they have no idea what they're talking about. Perhaps your country’s propaganda portrays us as fat, lazy asses who are pampered beyond reason, but news flash for you and all the other little minded idiots…we are the hardest working and most resilient people on the planet.
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OH! And 24 kicks ass!!!
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Dear Leafar the Lost. Good. I agree. Hopefully you'll be one of those millions of people
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She makes Verne Troyer look like Magic Johnson
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Jack got to say " Dammit " again.
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1. Still more gravitas than LOST
2. Garafalo is the Mole
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Ok, first off, Janeane Garofolo is horrible in that role. She seems like she's trying to do her schtick and it's distracting. Chloe was much better.
Second, a man who spends years designing a firewall would naturally take into account any weakness he can think of. He wouldn't be able to get around it in minutes. Even under the threat of physical violence.
Third, the senate would never have a public committee like that against some foot soldier. Nor would they declassify those files and discuss them before the cameras. That kind of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington crap doesn't exist in real life. Have the writers ever even watched C-SPAN?
Fourth, terrorists have control of our infrastructure and that dumb president is about to launch a humanitarian war that in no way benefits America? Even George Bush wasn't that dumb/crazy. Since when do we fight humanitarian wars? Ever? You might be able to argue Bosnia, but that shit certainly wouldn't fly anymore. More Hollywood goofiness.
Fifth, the wake of that one plane would have seriously fucked up the plane right underneath it. Sixth, if you're trying to stop a bunch of files being deleted, you don't start typing, you go right for the battery. That's right boys and girls, computers run on electricity.
The problem with this show is that is has far more executive producers than even actors. Seriously, watch the opening credits again, there are like dozens. I honestly think that's why this country is falling apart in so many ways right now. Too many middle managers. Most of the positions more honorary than functional. If you've ever worked in a corporation or have ever been involved in politics at any level, you know precisely what I'm talking about. And even with all of these executive producers, did no one take the time to call the writers out on all the stupid parts? At the very least, they need to leave the politics off the show. Hollywood can't do politics, not their side, not the other side. It's like an eight year old child writing a love story. Actually, the Wire and Brotherhood nailed it pretty good, but that's it. 24 is a kiddy show which should have never gone beyond five seasons.
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It's not the show's fault that douchebags like Rush Limbaugh gravitate towards it. How many movies and TV shows do we all hold dear involve anti-heroes who break the rules and what we would normally consider moral to get the job done? Just because the show happens to be on Fox, home of the absurdly right wing Fox News? Both entities have different people producing them, one has nothing to do with the other.
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Problem solved.
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Possible spoilers if you haven't watched the first 2 episodes yet.
Is it me or was the Presidents son ALIVE during 24 Redemption? Is this going to be a big sub plot this season? I really hope not.
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Took all of his fingernails off, smashed up his face, yet still found time to tape up his glasses...all in the first 10 minutes. And why did they go for his hands of all places? Doesn't exactly expedite his ability to use a tiny screwdriver in a pinch.
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Is that all of them who have appeared on 24 now?
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If you think about it if they were the good guy would talk it out instead of using his fist or a gunand the bad guys wouldn't be killed. Even when they do have a liberal message like that embarrasing eco movie Steven Seagal was in it's really lame.I'm not talking about ones like DIRTY HARRY or RAMBO:FIRST BLOOD PT II Even the most apolitical ones Iike Raiders of the Lost Ark and are actually attacked by liberal critics for all kinds of stupid things.
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Historically one of the more consistent effects of prolonged electrical blackouts in America has been a notable increase of the birth rate after about nine months. So if by rioting you mean………., well I’m sure you can fill in the blanks.
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One of the best characters in 24 history, albeit in a low key manner. He never did atone for what he did to that Presidential aide in Season 2 though.
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Wow. Just WOW. Seriously disappointed in her role. She's nothing more than a poor man's Chloe O'Brien. Is this a fucking a joke? Overall this was a good opening but man I expected more from Garofalo. Pitiful.
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This is an AICN 24 TB, not the Puritan Web Forum.
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... how much do you want to bet that Garofalo is the "mole?" After all, we really only have 4 legitimate suspects (unless you count characters with 2 or less speaking lines).
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for the next season. She said it was her choice. So either she's not the mole and they wanted her to come back but she didn't want to or she's lying to cover up the fact that she is the mole and they kill or arrest her. I personally don't think she is.
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I hope so DeeJay. That might redeem the character. And IDunno, if she's not coming back next season that probably means she IS the mole.
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Have you actually sat down and watched some of them on a regular basis? The writing and acting isn't as bad as you would think. Hell, I'd say a great deal of daytime television is higher quality than a lot of primetime offerings. I've been watching CSI: Miami on A&E here and there over the last few months and the performances on that show, especially Caruso's, is down right pathetic.
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I'm pretty much only watching the Mentalist in the hopes that he asks Robin Tunney to pray with him.
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Did anyone else find it odd that Tony kept wanting to know what was next for his crew?
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were two of the better characters. The current presidential aide doesn't have any gravitas. And crap, looking for implausibilities in 24, now? A little late, isn't it?That's Ferris Bueller's school secretary? Really? Didn't recognize her.
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The forth is almost as good, but not nearly as good as the third hour.
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Which is why I prefer to pretend it didn't happen
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Jan 12, 2009 1:04:24 PM CST
There can be no doubt that 24 is a conservative show...
by leafar the lost
...and liberals should not be watching it. If you watch and enjoy "24", then that automatically makes you one of those right-wing, Republican, gun-fucking religious fanatics.
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... you're trying to stimulate dialog, aren't you?
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is Carlos Bernard signed on for the entire season or is he just on for a few episodes until the 'real' baddie shows up?...be kinda corny if they kill him off after 5 or 6 episodes
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I haven't yet watched hours 3 and 4, but - my guess: Tony has been working with Bill and Chloe (who have both been featured on promos) in an off the grid way, totally unconnected to the government in order to bring the bad guys down. They know that somehow the government is too compromised, so undertook the operation entirely on their own. They used Tony's story as a way of getting him to appear to flip to the dark side so he can act as their mole. Hence - Mole Patch!
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They are not remotely the same person. Edie McClurg is a fifty-seven year old Missourian. Cherry Jones is a fifty two year old lesbian. And, I don't say that with judgment. Have you seen Sarah Paulson?
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Thought the first 2 hours were pretty darn solid; lots of good groundwork and while I thought the FBI was just CTU by another name, it was nice to see that the staff there actually seems competent. I hope they plausibly explain Tony's absence and that he makes a strong foil for Jack--I think it might be cheap to make him a good guy in disguise.
That said, a few complaints:
1. The terrorists have obviously been watching a few Bruce Willis movies. There was the aforementioned Die Hard 2 hijacking-the-plane sequence, but also accessing the firewall which controls the water, power, etc. is basically the same threat as Die Hard 4.0. although I guess that pushes my dream for a Jack Bauer-John McClane team-up closer to a reality.
Also, Garofalo is easily the mole or a very obvious red herring. Upon hearing about the sniper, she quickly blurted out "That's where agent Walker is!" which was just a very obvious overreaction. Also, my guess is that she will be outed as the mole pretty quickly and Jack will have to bring in Chloe to take her place, and possibly interrogate her about computer stuff. -
The torture thing does make it a neo-con show (real conservatives don't support torture), but the presidents are almost always very liberal (and the "Republican" ones are portrayed negatively). Hence the humanitarian intervention in Sengali (sp?). I'd say it was designed to appeal to Republicans and Democrats alike. The differences between the two aren't that far apart anyway. They're both big government tit suckers.
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I mean seriously..the first two seasons had a black president...the new one has a woman president. Torture doesn't necessarily mean conservative...just because Bush allowed it to take place doesn't make it conservative...I think MOST people would allow torture if the events of 24 were actually taking place....conservative or liberal.
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Hobo... yeah, I'm actually hoping Garafolo is the mole. Making her overbearing (and currently one-dimensional) boss the mole would be way too typical. She's got quite the smart mouth, and doesn't spend enough time using it as a villain. Chrth... Tony is acting very mole-like. I wouldn't be surprised if that was revealed to be the case tonight...
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The creator of the show is on record as a conservative. That's why.
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Yes we know it's not realistic. It exists in a hyper-reality which happens to be very entertaining. I don't want everything to be totally realistic. I like 24 just the way it is.
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He was alive and well at the end of "Redemption"! He knew nothing about Job Voight and the evil conspiracy so... just confusing; and an annoying subplot having the president's husband working his own investigation (however much I love Colm Feore... check out "Bon Cop, Bad Cop" for a really awesome performance). "24" has always had annoying subplots, but that doesn't mean I have to like them!!
As for predictions... I think Tony let himself get caught, knowing that Jack would never stop until he did. By getting caught, he hopes to distract Bauer long enough for the true objective of the plan to be put into play. Tony is no longer needed, he has done his part; and so his way too easy capture was planned as soon as he learned Jack was on the case. -
It gets a lot better from last night. Tony and Jack interacting is something last season missed a great deal. Mike Doyle was too erradic. Tony is a calming force (even if he's a "bad" guy). And the overall plot is shaping up much more definitively. I like where this is headed.
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I was a bit confused at first last night about this plot thread; as was said, the President's son didn't die during "Redemption." But then I remembered that Day 7 doesn't necessarilly take place the day after the events of "Redemption."
But I think "Redemption" may have actually been bad for Day 7. We already know that the President's Son was killed by Jon Voight, most-likely. I'm afraid "Redemption" may take the piss out of the season.
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gosh!
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I kind of got the feeling they meant for more than a day. I assumed they meant like...permanently. Of course the government would try to counter-hack it, or work around it, but who knows how long that could be. Maybe weeks. Do you really think if the *whole* country had no power for a period of weeks that it would be the same deal as New York losing power for 12 hours? I'll throw this out anyway, the reason why New York, or even the whole eastern seaboard can avoid collapsing into anarchy, is because there is no fear involved. it's just a matter of inconvenience, you know the power *will* come back on, you know the rest of the country has power, the government and infrastructure is guaranteed to still be operational etc. When you bring fear of the unknown into the equation, when you get people wondering *if* the power will come back on, and *if* there is still a functioning government, then survival instincts start to get pretty strong and people start to act a whole lot less civil. Somewhere around the time when all the food in your fridge has spoiled, and all dry goods have been consumed, that's about the time that *you* decide it's time to go out foraging in the urban jungle. Though you're not technically 'rioting' you are competing with hundreds of thousands of people in the dark for what remains of the non-perishable goods lying around. And that's just as good.
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Having been a fan of this for a while before bailing in season 6, I was intrigued at the optimistic view that some held for this year. I gave it a shot. But really, did we have to have the mole again? Really? What is the point? Very hesitant about this season.
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nicely. Or maybe they just didn't want to bother with the makeup[ as it kept peeling off during last season.
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Krazy Eyez Killa as the air traffic controller?! It was, wasn't it!
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That twist is tonight.
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Anyway, I'm excited about this season if not wary. Been watching since Season 1 and was as disappointed with S6 as most people(especially after the promising first-four). Nail-less fingers crossed.
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The Senate inquiry was about someone Jack tortured in 2002. Was that a reference to any on-screen episode? Day 7 feels like it's somehow 2009 but with all the presidents since the show started that's impossible.
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But my guess would have to be around 2015? I think that's in the ballpark, +/- a couple years.
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NudeandAroused: Agreed. I shook my head in disbelief; amazed that yet another government agency had been compromised. And not just a fictional one, but our very own FBI!! New location, new day, same old formula...
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I missed it...
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they tore off his soul patch. Now he gots no soul...Crth, it was a damn shame about Pierce in Season 6, huh? What a shit existence he must be living, taking care of that crazy broad...cos he was every bit as badass as Jack...oh well...
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Redemption was setting up the season. Since S6 Jack has been globe-trotting, landing recently in Africa to help his buddy Full-Monty teach some young boys how to not be forced into being soldiers while being told by the US Consulate that he has been subpoenaed to show up before a Senate hearing. Unfortunately, Juma(a dictator) starts a coup and tries to force them into being soldiers. Jack and Full-Monty obviously take offense to this. Jack and Full-Monty kick a little ass, Jack promises to get the kids to safety and in order to do so he has to give himself up to the Consulate guy instead of running away.
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Powers Boothe talked to Cherry Jones about being President and Jon Voight intimidated people(including the President's son's friend who was killed in the episode) and presumably the reason the President's son was (allegedly) killed was because he got close to the same crap his friend was close to(which was that Voight was selling weapons to Juma).
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Tony's undercover! He's not a turncoat!
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Did anyone else not already think Tony was undercover?
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As soon as he didn't let the planes crash on the runway, I knew he was undercover.
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The confirmation was still awesome. i keep saying don't get your hopes up but...
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And I knew while watching Star Wars that Vader was Luke's father...
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Chris Evans in Jumper 2: Thrower
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yea, what the fuck is that. Real original. Kids with force push powers! and a secret agency is trying to kill them!
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She needs to eat more fruit.
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The bobbleheaded eye-roll returns!
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Who exactly are Bill and Chloe working for?
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Are freelancing. Random acts of counter-terrorism.
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Jan 12, 2009 7:41:43 PM CST
The mastermind of the covert Bill & Chloe task force is ...
by mr. poohgas
Disgraced former president Charles Logan, because 24 cannot think of new and creative ideas.
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I bet he says that to all the girls.
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Sherri Palmer's re-animated head floating in a jar. Directing events via mental telepathy.
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...it could be Powers Boothe's character.
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DO IT NOW ... DO IT ... DO IT
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Does anyone use a mouse with a computer in 24? Ever?
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Definitely some lighter touches so far. Very welcome, needs more of that. I was watching some Season Four a few weeks ago...Jack's 'No, she seems real sweet' about Tony's girlfriend still kills me.
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Kicking ass and taking names!
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Jack and Tony have a beer and cheat on the soul patch?
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Who will win in the battle of the IT ladies?
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... in these first few episodes that were filmed before the strike? I wondered whether they changed some stuff around after the break
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Makes me want to hear the "Hup, hup, hup, hup" sound.
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IT'S BACK BABY!
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Because he's going to tell Jack everything ... when they get there.
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24 WWRITERS!!! YOU WERE LISTENING TO US!!!!! AWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!
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And here is my hand puppet I like to call him Edgar.
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Bill and Chloe do some babysitting on the side for money? How the fuck are they making a living working on their own?
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......BANK OF AMERICA!!!!!
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Heh.
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Chloe makes money working nights as a call girl catering to high end clients like Gov Spitzer with a bizarre fetish for nerd girls.
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I should have seen that coming. But I didn't see that coming. Tony still working with Chloe and Buchanan...
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"Granted, he was assassinated shortly thereafter, but still."
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...putting a crimp in guy's airhose is typical Jack action.
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Man, Hour 3 rocked, still waiting to watch hour 4, but so far the season isn't disappointing. Who else is completely buying Tony still being alive even though it's a cop-out because they missed him so very much?
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computer hacker vs computer hacker...battle of the furrowed brows.
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24 Seasons 6 and 7=The Andy Griffith Show in color. Both shows were something very special for the first five seasons, but it became just another TV show in seasons 6, 7 and (potentially) 8. So far, I really don't give a damn about Sangola or the people there. I enjoyed Redemption more than this season so far, quite frankly!
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I'm sorry, but nothing about Season 7 thus far has any essence of stink.
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Solid if not spectacular. Love the Jack/Tony exchange about things said and necks. I hsve to wonder though ... is Bill and Chloe being played by Mole Pstch?
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Does anyone else feel not invested yet? Previous seasons had neighborhoods nuked. So far all we've had was a near-hit (I hate the term near-miss). I don't really feel the threat yet. Down that plane that went to the head of the line! NO CUTSIES!
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The most ineffectual of all 24 characters. What's he good at? Investigation methods? Every time he made a suggestion or gave an order at CTU, the recipient was already on it, he just told them to work faster. Today he drove a van and displayed familiarity with the mindset of extremists. He's a super exciting high tension middle manager.
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Perhaps it's just me but I don' really see the crisis this season. Ignoring if we can for a moment the fact that the vast majority of Americans, especially those in power, don't give one, let alone two, shits about Africa, what's the dilemma? Why can't they just withdraw, sort out the situation in their own time, and then return in a few days. Plus, if it were a choice between American lives and foreigners, the President has a responsibility to side with the Americans (and I say that as a non-American living in the U.S.). In other news though, I'm liking the freckly girl. Trying to come up with a snappy Jack-something-or-other name for her and failing. The "Jack Snack" maybe if she becomes a love interest...
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in Da Vinci Code this season. Right down to the monastic looking HQ. Still, it's easier to detect a mole when there are only 4 of you.
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Jack driving a car through the concrete side of a parking garage was taken VERBATIM from The Bourne Ultimatum (and I don't even LIKE the Bourne movies, but I still noticed). Also three DAMMITS! and FIVE Copy That's so far, as well as three NOW!!!s.
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They were both very hot. And I liked how Janis' computer case had polka dots on it. I also like how the FBI is being portrayed as ineffective bureaucrats. I liked the new Jack Sack. I liked many, many thing. Great start to the season so far. It gave us enough to keep watching- instead of a big splosion like last season, which made us all wonder where they could possibly go from here. There are many ways this thing can go (what happens to the female Jack? She sure was a quick study when it came to torture).
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...how I feel about this twist with CTU-lite running things out of Bill's loft. Odd turn of events, that.
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Yeah, the first four hours of last season had a neighborhood nuked. Then what happened? Exactly. They had nowhere to go but down. Reminds me of the old Bugs Bunny cartoon where Daffy Duck goes into a talent manager's office and blows himself up. The talent scout says "great! when can you start?" Daffy says (as an angel), that's the problem- I can only do it once. The point is, the writers seemed to have learned their lesson from that and are taking a measured approach. I am very happy to see it.
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Do Renee's curtains match her drapes? Michelle who?
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DAMMIT!
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They've gone WAY too far in recent seasons with Jack taking down the President and nuking part of L.A.
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...welcome back, Jack.Right.Garofalo's gotta be the mole: her name's Janis, which is awfully close to the two-headed (faced) Roman god Janus. If Dubaku survived the land mine, any chance Benton's still breathing? I mean, Tony made it out... Speaking of which, how the fuck DID he make it out? Emerson's people were inside CTU and injected him with hypothermic fluid? Good God, they disbanded CTU for incompetence, not brutality.I've got a feeling Emerson is MI6. Oh, and I think they're going to tie ALL the conspiracies in this year, dating back to Nina in Season 1.Finally...Dear Fox,I understand in these tough economic times you're concerned about making money any way you can. However, could you limit your cash grabs to the motion picture division and stop fucking over us 24 fans as well? I speak of the Sprint commercials WHICH GIVE AWAY FUTURE FUCKING PLOT POINTS AND SCENES, YOU CLUELESS FUCKS.Thanks. Oh, and suck all the dicks.
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...can I just say that I love the lack of traffic and that you can see the Capitol from every street on which they are driving? I'm actually not having a go at that, it tickles me every time and just adds to my enjoyment of the show.
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It's Teri Bauer, Come on---it's so obvious. I swear on Nina Myer's bullet proof bra it is. Swear to Edgar it's the truth!
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Pretty much EVERY movie or TV show set in a city with a well-known landmark will have said landmark visible from freaking EVERYWHERE in the city. For example, check out any movie set in Paris, where EVERY SINGLE WINDOW the camera looks out of will have an unobstructed view of the Eiffel Tower.
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...but I don't live in Paris. I lived in DC and now live just outside it. So it makes me laugh. Just like I'm laughing at DC having an FBI field office when the FBI HQ is in town. Big building, Bones features it quite a lot, so did X-Files. I guess 24 didn't get the okay to use it's image, though...
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...that there IS an FBI field office and chide me for not knowing that? Suck it. Don't care if there is, it still makes me giggle that the national security crisis is being run out of a field office and not the HQ.Again, not hating on the show, it's the little things in 24 that make me happy that it's back.
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But I still think the series peaked at hour four of last year. After the nuclear explosion went off in L.A., the show has never been able to capture the sense of BUILDING TENSION because, well, there's nowhere to go. The rest of last year was awful (although the last half hour of the last ep redeemed it a little.) Everything this year does feel a little "blah", and there haven't been any HOLYFUCKINGSHIT!!!!! scream-at-the-tv moments yet, which for four hours of 24 (six hours counting the movie), that's the longest OMG-free streak the show has ever had in its history.
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How did the guy in the hospital know about the kidnapping plan???
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Episode 3 was incredible, but there was very little drop off after that. A little too much exposition b/t the President and her Sec. of Defense at the beginning, but other than that, a very solid hour. Loved the conversation b/t Jack and Emerson in the basement. Emerson looks to be a quality Christopher Henderson-like bad guy. Hope they don't kill him off too quick. This is the first time I'm actively looking forward to next week's 24 in a long long time.
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Did I not see the JACK SACK return in episode 4?
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...the show has recovered from last year's debacle?
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I've been bored with (but still stuck with) 24 for seasons now, but this just feels kinda made of awesome. Pretty much anytime we have the Jack and Tony team, I'm on board (I'm one of those people who stood up and shouted that one season when Jack said he was calling the only person he trusts and Tony showed up). Even though I should have, I did NOT see the Tony reversal coming, and I was thrilled to see it. I like the shadow CTU setup, I like the battle of the techgeeks, Garafolo's character is a nice counterpoint to the usual 24 character. I like how Agent Walker is being set up as a female Jack who's testing her own limits (esp. with the torture thing), I like Emerson (METHOS! But if his character's supposed to be British, why isn't he using his normal British accent?), even the weasly guy with the wife on the plane seems to be more developed than any of the characters last season. I just hope the season doesn't spiral into ridiculousness like it has in the past. I also agree with other posters in that I like the threat - it's believable (well, if you buy the fact that the entire US infrastructure depends on one firewall) in the sense that these guys aren't threatening to blow up the world, just fuck shit up, and that the issue is about intervention vs. non-intervention. It's an interesting conflict. But most of all, I love that it's also about Jack's past, and Tony's past, and Jack saying 'fuck it' I'm in - that he makes the choice, he's not forced into it.
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...that Jack, by season's end will find that Chloe, Tony and Buchanon are all on the bad guy's side and that he will've been helping them, thinking they were on the side of the angels, the entire season until the reveal. SMACK! Chloe lost her Edgar. Bill B. lost everything. Tony lost Michelle and everything else he had. They all fit the MI-6 guy's profile of folks who lost something and could/should hold a grudge.
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I mean, this is such a step up in quality from last season it reads like a textbook for what works on 24. All the annoying whiny CTU people (like fucking milo) are gone, and the new cast so far is as good as any of the original players (Michele, Tony, Edgar, etc.). I'm loving the FBI agent crossing the line, all the FBI analysts are very likable this time out (mainly because they're cast really well. Go Billy Walsh!), and as mentioned before, the threat isn't so fucking ludicrous. Also, the White House plotline is one of the better ones the shows scene. Man I am pumped to see where this all goes.
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Wow! I guess "Zombie Almeida" was correct.
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Where's the accent? He's SAS!
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Chloe Vs Garafalo! Chloes net Fu was stronger. Mary Jane Raksjub looks alright I must say. She's no Chesty Freckles girl FBI agent but she's none to shabby either.
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Seriously - a QUALITY start.
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The guy knew about the kidnapping plot because he's the one who was going to Tony on the boat so he could tell him to get his team ready for it, remember?
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Tony has super-healing powers; remember he was shot in the neck, had surgery and was back on the job in less than a day. Death is nothing for him. It was pretty cool when he jumped from the garage onto the truck during the escape.
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Jan 13, 2009 6:24:50 AM CST
Speaking of West Wing did any catch the gage whitney reference
by enderpilot
The lawyers for the sniper were from gage whitney pace, the law firm that sam seaborn originally worked at.
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The best moments of 24 are those which have deep emotional resonance: Mason flying to the desert, Jack clutching Teri's dead body, even Logan asking Mike to pray with him while his wife heads into an ambush he set up (although we didn't know it at the time). Even the best part of last season -- after the opening 4 hours -- was the Sec State berating Jack. These are the moments that stick with us because they resonate. This season may be the most tightly written season of 24's existence, but if they don't dispense with the cookie cutter clones in the fake CTU, and if they don't add some tension to the stakes, no one is going to care.
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I have to admit, the show is a bit ludicrous. But, DAMNIT, you put Bill, Chloe, Jack, Zombie Almedia and Agent Freckles together and I'm intrigued.
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Jack owned Emmerson's goons and then talked shit about it. Last night was great... I loved the swerve where Garafolo goes down to the servers and you totally expect someone to get killed/tied up/knocked out like in seasons past, but it doesn't happen. That room is always the least secure room in existence on the show.Also loved the return of the Jack Sack moment, Jack and Tony back2back, and I'm loving Freckles Bauer. I can do without the Presiden's husband storyline though, although I'm sure they will tie it into everything it's kind of dragging right now. But then, every season has it's retarded side storyline!
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and I love '24' again. I had left the bandwagon in disgrace at my disappointment with the 6th season, but I am now hooked again like a coked out whore.
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I have counted 5 "damn it"s and only 1 kill so far for Jack. Am I wrong, or did last season have a higher count 4hrs in?
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It WILL happen and it WILL be glorious. the only thing that could make the eventual confrontation better is if they end up being related. God I love 24!!!
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Jan 13, 2009 8:58:42 AM CST
"10's of thousands of American lives" - do we get to choose ?
by miyamoto_musashi
Start with those crazies from that Kansas church.
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Loving Freckles Bauer
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She seriously doesn't know what to do here? This isn't just a post 9/11 world, it's a post nuke-in-LA world and she's contemplating letting thousands of Americans die in yet another terrorist event, just to save thousands in some other country? Me thinks that would (rightfully) trigger a military coup if she went through with it. I get the whole, not negotiating with terrorists thing, but that doesn't mean she can't wait one day.
I like the whole rouge unit thing. I was very much against CTU not arresting Jack every time he stepped out of line and broke the law because I hate government hypocrisy. It's clearly self-defeating. But I'm fine with them doing what needs to be done outside the confines of government employ. It's not on my dollar and not in my name and most importantly doesn't risk as much blow back. Pretty much every bad event in the series has been the result of blow back, which kind of nullifies Jack's argument about the necessity of doing the things he's done. He's just been perpetuating the cycle. As freelancers, any blow back should fall squarely on them. -
Juma's troops are about to move in on a refugee camp with mostly women and children and slaughter them with only the opposition's outnumbered troops in place to protect them. Troops there only because of promised intervention by the U.S. You think leaving those people to be slaughtered is ok as long as American lives are spared? There's a reason anti-American sentiment is born and manifested as terrorism. That attitude is one of the reasons.
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I had a huge boner last night watching episode 3. I wished for a return of Tony , which I got. What I really wanted was Tony to work again with Jack, which they also delivered. THEN, they brought out Chloe and Bill and I couldn't believe it. Then they had that super escape from FBI and the jack and tony team were back! I am so happy right now. I'm glad I didn't read into any spoilers so far, the surprise was totally worth it. I hope this level of excitement continues this season. I think episode 3 is my favorite episode ever of 24.
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Ok, let me get this straight. There is a terrorist with a device that can bring down airplanes and shut down the power grid of the USA. His only demand is that you not invade a country in Africa. You want to invade his country in order to save the lives of 100,000 people. Let me repeat what this terrorist has...a device that can bring down airplanes full of Americans and shut down the power grid of America. He wants you to NOT invade a country in AFRICA. Am I missing something here you dumb, fucking cunt?! I wish I could bitch slap the actress who played this fictional president. The preview for next week showed us that she was going to invade this country anyway, even though some TERRORIST WILL BRING DOWN US AIRPLANES AND SHUT DOWN THE US POWER GRID! This proves to me that the guy writing this show is a right-winger, because he has written the first female president as the dumbest person ever! Her chief of staff was trying to tell her that this was not an impossible choice. In fact, there was only one choice for someone that wasn't a dumb, stupid bitch! I am going to watch 24 just to see what happens, so whoever wrote this shit has done a good job. But even President Bush wouldn't have invaded this country. Jesus Christ was a stupid bitch...
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I would love for you to name me one nation on this planet where a majority of its citizens would be ok with sacrificing a number of its own to save an equal number in another nation.
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Jan 13, 2009 10:42:28 AM CST
I meant to write, "Jesus Christ, what a stupid bitch..."
by leafar the lost
I am sorry to any Christians that I may have offended. I wish there was an edit button here.
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Whats up with Bill Buchanan's hairdo?? He looks like a cross between Roy Batty and Andy Samberg's Space Olympics guy
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I barely even watched.. maybe 3 and 4 will perk up.
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But so far she's the least interesting President. They need to add something to her character besides waffling to make her more compelling.
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It's bad situation to be in, life sucks like that. But as president, her job is to protect America first. The same is true of any leader in any country. What she's contemplating borders on outright treason in my book.
As for anti-America sentiment in the world, I think that has more to do with the women and children that we kill (through collateral damage, or however you want to phrase it), rather than the women and children we fail to save. In fact, why not let the E.U. handle it since much of the disarray in Africa is a by-product of European colonialism? -
Is it as stupid as last year? That season caused me to re-evaluate my interest in the entire series.
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First two hours were kind of stupid, the second two were much better though. 24 zigs and zags all over the place so who's to say until the season is over with.
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Season six disappointed on many levels, I reached a point I was forcing myself to watch it because I'm a huge 24 fan, and I kept thinking , surely it's going to get better. It never did. That hiccup behind us, season seven is back on track, I hope the writers of 24 keep up the momentum, and never ever repeat the mistake of season six. It would be better for the show to end on a high note, than to lose it's audience like it very nearly completely did in season six.
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You think Jack cutting Tony off right after Audrey Raines when he talked about everything Jack's lost so far was kind of a writer joke about ignoring the whole Jack's brother and dad are terrorists bullshit from last year? Like that time Tony was about to explain what "division" was then the phone rang.
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It seems to me like her question isn't so much about American lives vs. Sangalan lives, it's more about whether or not negotiating with a terrorist who is blackmailing you is a good policy. You could argue that it's worth the cost of American lives now if it shows "bad guys" that we won't negotiate, no matter what. I don't think it's as simple a call as people want to make it. Our foreign policy, after all, shouldn't be dictated by anyone but us.
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I love the fact that "24's" writers seem to have played me like a friggin' piano. Think of all they did: they promised that CTU was gone and then set up an FBI that really seemed to have the same old CTU premise, including Garafolo as a replacement Chloe and the promise of a mole. I really thought they were going to use that premise and then they brought in Bill and Chloe, working outside the government.
I love the fact of how the old CTU workers operate now...there's no expendable character in the group. If there's a mole or a death, it's going to be a character we all know and love. And I will be saddened, but not surprised, if they end up all being rogue agents designed to work against Jack.
Also hoping they keep the FBI in the dark about what Jack's up to. Having a competent FBI force and Renee Walker (aka Vag Bauer) after him is genuinely suspenseful. And let's keep Jack's family out of this season.
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That's a valid argument to make, but it doesn't seem like the one she's wrestling with. She seems more concerned about saving the women and children. The stakes are also far greater here. We're talking about delaying an invasion to prevent the crippling of the entire infrastructure. Power plants, as well as planes. It's hard to argue that it would embolden future terrorists since it's unlikely anybody would have that much power again in the future. I think it's better to compare this to the Cuban missile crisis. We backed off on invading, despite any kind of non-negotiation policy, because the risk of nuclear war was too great. Policies against negotiation only make sense when they prevent a greater evil from occurring.
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That's true; ultimately, I think she would have to stand down. I've just seen a few folks here (you not amongst them) that make this seem like the simplest call ever, and I don't think it would be.
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Sexy? Check. Likes to torture? Check. I'm in love.
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Jan 13, 2009 1:47:12 PM CST
Why do people who work outside the government wear black?
by leafar the lost
Did you notice that last night? Jack had to change into black clothes too when he agreed to work with them. It must be an anti-government dress code.
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Hope Lost and BSG are nearly as good.
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Who are they? They certainly don't look like a part of the terrorist unit that invaded the embassy at the end of the 4th episode, which is where it has to be from.
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always some wonder-(plot)-device out the hat to control planes, hack moms coffeemaker or feed the mac with government footage. This show was always stupid and will be forever
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That photo's from season 6. That's Marilyn and her spawn behind Jack. Ugh... Thank God were past were past all that crap.
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It was actually Jack's brother who ordered the hit.
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Between that line and "A lot of people say that. Nice to see you follow through.", Jack had some surprisingly funny one liners for him. This season is pretty fun but calling it "new and rejuvenated" is ridiculous. There are bad guys in the white-house, traitors in the FBI, Jack-Tony-Bill-Chloe are working deep undercover, ancillary (boring) subplots galore, this is the same old 24 just with more establishing shots of DC landmarks and a plot stolen from "Live Free or Die Hard". It's been more than 2 years so I'm just happy to see it back and I hope it reaches the same insanity level as the season before last (season 5?).
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Says more about you than it does the show
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If it was OBL saying withdraw your troops from the middle east or we will kill thousands of americans, what would be the reaction?
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With the exception of season 1 i usually lose interest by episode 6 or 7. Lifes just too short...
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Jan 13, 2009 4:41:22 PM CST
I don't see how the pres could give up to terrorist threats.
by david cloverfield
Sure, let's go there, make war that's the right thing to do. 5 seconds later: Oh, wait, this enemy has a weapon that can hurt us. THEY CAN ACTUALLY FIGHT BACK! I guess I was wrong about the war in the first place. I you can only play when the game is rigged, get the fuck out.
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I saw it when Jack and Tony were escaping the FBI building :-)
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Did you actually watch the show? The enemy doesn't just have a weapon that can hurt the USA, they have a device that can cripple the fucking power grid, bring down airplanes, and pretty much anything else! All that this dumb president bitch has to do is wait, but she can't make the "impossible" choice. Oh no! She can't give in to terrorist threats! Oh no, she has to invade a country in Africa that is no threat to the USA. In fact, she will be invading another country knowing that this terrorist will shut down the power grid, which will cause the deaths of thousands of Americans, just because she can't give in to a terrorist threat! Oh, and let me be clear, the only thing she has to is delay her decision. You should be president, because you are just as qualified as this dumb bitch!
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As opposed to your brilliant approach of letting terrorists dictate the president's policies? Oh gee, we've been threatened. Let's forget our promises to help an ally just so we can maybe save some Americans who want to go shopping at the mall.Your approach is much dumber than storyline being offered by the writers of "24," that much is certain. Who's the dumb bitch again?
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They had a real opportunity in this season to do something interesting with Tony. Then he was secretly undercover with the no talent hack Buchanan and Chloe. Chloe is very good so far, I must say. She remarks that he looked good on C-Span. Just the kind of out of place line that comes from her kind of social ineptitude. I liked that.
They squandered their idea for Tony though. We've seen others from Jack's past who used to be good and are now bad. However, we didn't watch them for several years being paragons of right thinking badassery for years the way we did with Tony. If Tony really was evil for this season, it would have meant a hell of a lot more and affected us more than with the other characters in that position.
At least agent Walker (Walker, right?) is having a few good characterization moments, as far as her clumsy dialogue will allow.
I swear every time I see an actor I think has potential these days I wish they had been in The Wire so we could really see what they were capable of. I saw Michael Kostroff in V Mars season 2 the other day. While he does a serviceable job there, it's nothing nearly as good as Levy. -
What's with this Firewall bullshit. Did I miss something? I mean 1) why are these systems all linked up in the first place? and 2) why are they connected to the fucking internet? Anyway that aside, it's shaping up awesomely: Jack and Tony ftw!
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I have a hard time taking seriously anything you say, when you use 'bitch' all the time and say you want to slap the actress (!?). Try making your argument again without the misogynist overtones. And yeah, giving in to terrorist demands is not something a new president would want to do. I think it's a perfectly valid dilemma.
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was after Jack was kidnapped by the Chinese. They should have done a whole season set in China (They could have faked it around LA). With CTU busting Jack out of Chinese prison and escaping the country.
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whats wrong with being a misogynist?
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Jan 14, 2009 2:26:20 AM CST
You know, for a tactic that actual interrogators say never works
by baked
The protagonists in 24 rely a hell of a lot on torture as an expository device and magical Deus Ex Machina this season.
Previous seasons resorted to torture as a last, desperate tactic at most once per season (not counting Jack Bauer as a target), but this season has already had three instances of torture in four hours, and that's not counting the movie.
Seriously, though, what the hell? Is this just lazy writing? What happened to Chloe's brilliant hacking skills or Jack Bauer's, you know, actual detective work?
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Thing is, when you chose a principle to go to war by with an enemy that can't really hurt you (at most you put your own soliders to risk) is easy. America's been a superpower for a long time, never fought a war without a huge advantage. You didn't have a war on your own soil, putting your own civilians in danger for a long time. (In Europe, we're used to the idea of losing hundreds of thousands of civilians in a war. That's why we're not so quick to declare it.) But a president, who stands by his principle even if the enemy has the capability to inflict just as much damage to the USA than the USA has to his country, and she still stands by her principles - "Tt was the right thing to do when they had only rocks to throw at us, and it's the right thing to do now, that they have actual guns" is someone to follow. But that's just my two cents, I dunno what americans expect from their president. I'm just saying going to war, then giving it up as soon as the enemy's got an actual weapon shows a very lame, small leader.
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It's a devil's choice. The only real analogue in US History is the Cuban Missile Crisis, and that's only partially applicable. Right now the President is doing the intelligent thing: considering options. Rushing into invasion would be just as lame,small as immediately cutting and running.
You're also contradicting yourself. You said "In Europe, we're used to the idea of losing hundreds of thousands of civilians in a war. That's why we're not so quick to declare it", so why shouldn't the US act the same way? It's just in this case, the US didn't know until right beforehand. Are you saying a European nation -- who doesn't declare as fast because of the concern of civilian casualties -- would proceed gungho if they didn't find out until the last second there was a retaliatory possibility?
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...but I wish they'd returned to a lower key Season 1 approach. As someone posted above torture scenes are abundant, DAMMITS are every second sentence and everything seems too...action drama serial number no. 2420 related. The actors seem like just that, actors playing characters where they act dumb/super smart where needed to serve to plot. Additionally as mentioned way above, it is in the personal character moments that the shows true highlights are.
Dont get me wrong its still great TV, and improved upon over S6 but I rewatched S1 before Xmas and despite its many flaws (and plot holes) the writing and acting blows it out of the water (Palmer and Haysbert deserving special mention), but crucially the characters felt like normal natural people thrown into extrodinary circumstances.
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Jan 14, 2009 9:56:09 AM CST
You don't cripple the entire country over a non-negotiation prin
by _maltheus_
First off, let's not forget that she was told about the potential infrastructure problem before she publicly committed any forces. Before she even knew of any connection between the two. She should have put off any invasion until our own house was in order. That's pure irresponsibility on her part.
Second, the whole point of the non-negotiation principle is not to set a formal precedent. By delaying the invasion, you can argue that she hasn't given into anything. That kind of parsing goes on all the time in Washington. Or she could have punted it off to the Europeans, who presumably aren't also linked into this ridiculous CIP module idea. Or she could have just tried to keep it all secret.
Third, the stakes are too great here. You don't cut off your nose to spite your face. You don't destroy your country, just because you don't want to accept defeat. I've seen arguments here that it wouldn't be good for a new president to give into the terrorists. Well, how do you think those Americans would feel about starving in the streets for some tiny little country that they've never heard of. That's right it would be pitchfork time and the civil unrest might just be enough to bring down the entire government. And then it doesn't matter what policies the government once had.
Of course, part of the problem with arguing all of this is that we're dealing with poorly written fiction and all of these things wouldn't be so easy to take down in reality. The terrorists in 24 are always ridiculously overpowered in order to scare us into crying for more daddy government. When it comes to well armed states, we sure as hell do negotiate and weigh our options. Well guess what, Sengala is now one of those well armed governments, on par with North Korea (whom we negotiate with all the time).
And beyond all of that, you can argue the wisdom of an invasion at all. I'm with our founding fathers when it comes to avoiding entangling alliances at all costs. Now that is the principle that we should apply across the board, not the principle of stubbornness that so many here seem to embrace. America is on the verge of a real collapse right now, in large part due to the exorbitant cost of maintaining the empire. We're clearly heading the way of the Soviet Union. If we'd stop mucking around in other people's countries, we wouldn't be much of a target for anyone. We'd have only Mexico and Canada to worry about and I'm sure we'd get along just fine without a massive military. Almost every hotspot in the world is a direct result of Western powers intervening, redrawing borders, providing arms to one side or another, or in the case of 24, government figures are providing direct support to this Dubaku guy. Hell, you can even make a good case that we wouldn't have had Hitler had we not intervened in WWI. We need to stop bumbling around in affairs that can't possible be managed effectively.
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Well, yeah, because the Germans probably would've won
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People much smarter than us have debated this topic (or similar) for decades and there has never been an unqualified response. I suspect we're not going to find the solution in AICN Talkback.
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No because it was mostly a stalemate up until that point and the flu was pretty much forcing both sides to throw in the towel anyway. If we didn't make it such a lopsided affair, Germany wouldn't have been saddled with the grossly unfair Treaty of Versailles and Hitler wouldn't be able to appeal to the feelings of the masses that they had so been given the shaft. It probably would have mitigated some of the great depression too since the Germans wouldn't have had to resort to flooding the world with fiat marks, just to keep up. And quite frankly, who cares if the Kaiser won, he certainly wasn't as bad as Hitler and Britain's machinations on the continent were largely responsible for starting that mess in the first place.
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Sean Hillinger = A new PeeWee Herman.
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I think it's at DAMMIT! 4 for Jack Bauer and 4 for everybody else, which makes the total at 8! That was me keeping score in my head over 2 nights without writing it down. Anybody else confirm that, or I'm just gonna go with that.
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I don't know the exact count, but it did seem like they were going a little overboard. It seemed like every other character muttered one under his or her breath in hours three and four.Is there an official 24 "dammit" website I can go to as a reference?
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And it will be the final Cylon.
Ellen Tigh - so it all ties together -
No topic, no TB?
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Nobody watching it anymore?
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We should just start one right here right now! Episode 5 was AWESOME as are the first four episodes! Well paced, Jack is Jack and Tony's back--and the new hottie FBI (Chesty Freckles) is the best female lead they've had in a long time! Here here!!!
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Well, I agree with you - let's get going!
So far so good, looking better than last season already. The ending of Episode 5 was fantastic. I know she can't die - too damn hot!
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