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Merrick here...
The frequently discussed, oft-reported SHAZAM! movie project seems to have collapsed (for a while, at least) due to collision with inconsisent executives, the writer's strike, Warner Bros' assimilation of New Line, and more. This per screenwriter John August.
By “dead,” I mean that it won’t be happening. I don’t think it’s on the studio’s radar at all. It may come back in another incarnation, with another writer, but I can say with considerable certainty that it won’t be the version I developed.
...says August in a blog entry that can be found HERE.
There's some interesting material in his blog post - this is a perfect example of how film development can often become an illogical, frustrating, and even self-defeating hell. It's a compelling and fast read...check it out.
Efforts to bring SHAZAM! to the screen have gone down (and then collapsed) more often than my slutty ex-wife on a night of drunken Tejano debauchery; it's beginning to seem this project is pretty much cursed.
Also, one has to wonder if...between THE GREATEST AMERICAN HERO movie being developed by Stephens Cannell and Herek, the assurance of another SUPERMAN theatrical of some sort, the production of an IRON MAN sequel, and the recently announced HANCOCK sequel/prequel/whatever...perhaps the marketplace is too crowded for further films of such similar conceits?
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...and since then I read this on 5 or 6 other sites.
Yes, I'm cranky, but we have the coldest January since 20 years and my throat hurts, so sue me. >:( -
Sorry, I mean Duane Johnson. If the whole thing was still in such early stages maybe casting ideas were just Fanboy wish-talk ... like the Tiger that attacked Roy as Tawky Tawny, the Marvel Family Tiger
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Classic WB stupidity.
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you mean "hero based on funny books"? yeah, I'm sure studios are hesitant to make those after The Dark Knight bombed at the box office
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Seth Rogen, Micheal Cera and Jonah Hill will be in the next iteration, and that one will be made. Search your feeling Skywalker; you know it to be true.
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General public wouldn't dig another boy scout superhero. Plus, he's really silly. Best dead, really.
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Jan 07, 2009 9:12:52 AM CST
The marketplace is never too crowded for GOOD comic book films
by spyguy
If they're good, like THE DARK KNIGHT and IRON MAN, people will go see them. If they're not, like THE PUNISHER: WAR ZONE and THE SPIRIT, people won't go see them.
It's not rocket science, people...
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It's not rocket science.
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Hancock made 600 million. And it wasn't even a truly great flick.
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is a place to discuss our favourite movies. We come here because of our love for them, yet more often than not we simply bash remakes etc. Even if it was just one talkback a year, where everyone contributes their favourite films, how its changed in the last year etc. I've been coming here for a few years now and to the best of my knowledge I cant remember such a thing.
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I haven't read the script, but it seems to me that they haven't quite approached the good Captain properly. Ever wonder why the Captain Marvel stories from the 40s stand up much better today than the Superman and Batman stories from the 40s? .... CM is supposed to clever and whimsical, almost a sendup of the ridiculousness of the superhero genre. Treating the property like a straightforward superhero story would be a mistake, in my opinion. I'd be more excited about this project if I had heard that the writing staff of the Simpsons (circa Seasons 3 to 7) and Brad Bird were involved. BTW, does anyone know if the movie was really going to be called "Shazam," and not "Captain Marvel?" Or does Fox own the rights to that name, too?
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Good points, all. I think a good superhero movie -- more than anything else -- needs writers and directors that UNDERSTAND the character and the "flavor" of the comic being brought to the screen.That's why the suits at WB are so off the mark -- they think that Batman was successful because it was "dark", and consequently intend to apply that same "flavor" to all of their properties, which is a recipe for disaster.
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i had nothing to do, so i sat and watched it for my second time. it really is as bad as the shit it gets. it already felt dated and campy (and shitty.) It's unfortunate that they really do need to start all over.
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the hands of Disney/Pixar in my opinion. DC/Warner can't do anything with the comicbook. The Marvel Family and it's mythology belong to a company like Disney. A CGI Marvel movie would be a fun flick to watch.
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Nathan Fillion would own in this role, but a studio won't put him in the lead of a tent-pole unless a director REALLY fought for it. And the geeks would turn out to see Fillion in the role. I still say the Seth Rogen version is more likely to happen.
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Perfect casting
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thankfully. Talk about pedestrian. At least he's not Chris Columbus, then again Columbus did Mrs Doubtfire which had hilarious parts.
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Taking Captain Marvel/Shazam "dark and bleak" = Miracle Man.Come to think of it...
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GetEveryone, that sounds like a great idea, of having a place to discuss our favorite movies. My favorite genres are fantasy and sci-fi, yet I find that quality flicks in these genres are too few and far between. ("It's not rocket science.") --Daytripper69, I like the idea of Brad Bird's involvement, of Captain Marvel (SHAZAM!) having that Pixar influence in live action form. --Rex Carsalot, even Wonder Woman could be amazing on film. It's all a matter of interpretation and the skill of realizing an artistic vision.
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whoever mentioned Brad Bird has the right idea. If it were animated it may work; something, unsurprisingly, along the lines of iron giant would be great. In some senses that is a superhero movie, and the format is perfect for it.
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It annoys me that they talk about the ultra shitty Hancock and the potentially brilliant KICK-ASS as being the 1st set in the real world. That was Unbreakable, and watching that movie today, after all these movies and before Watchmen comes out, it has far more weight. Great flick. Love it. Best of Shamalamadindong
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It would be awesome. I think that's why the VHS talkback went so well. People swapping stories about their tapes, films they used to love etc. Its something that I'd hoped to see more often around here considering that, most of the time, the talkbackers are the best movie geeks around.
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seriously
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Same issues there, It might make a great stand alone, but for the life of me I can't see it not being ridiculously silly next to RDJ as Ironman, and even the hulk. Thor just doesn't cut it in the real world.
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they won't even do a Superman sequel and a Superman ripoff can't get greenlighted.
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Jan 07, 2009 10:17:50 AM CST
Maybe they can do the Final Crisis Mary Marvel sex slave type
by most excellent ninja
haha, the type that would fuck tawny because desaad is posessing her.
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Its never ever going to translate properly. It was too thin and light-weight. Worked for its time, but its just never going to work as a Dark Knight kind of film.
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..than another Superman re-boot!
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I know the comic fans love the concept of a hero being taken seriously. But the film was terrible. It was slow. The direction was poor. The editing was horrible. There was no major resolution. The climax of the film is Bruce Willis walking up to Samuel L Jackson and then walking away? That is a brilliant film? Unbreakable was TERRIBLE. The funny thing is that since Watchmen will be coming out later, it won't be seen as innovative, and the comic fans will rip the adaptation, but if the Watchmen movie came before Unbreakable, I think we'd see people sing a different tune.
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Since Nick Fury is clearly based on the Ultimates version, they could go this route. I don't think they will, but they could.
Thor played as a majorly strong meta-human, with a messianic complex. People around him think he's nuts, and a mutant or superhuman, but not a Norse god. -
That show gave me a boner, and I was like five years old.
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...when he announced that he wanted DC's movies to be "darker" (and I quote, hence why I quote) post-Batman. Can't anybody look at a movie on a case-by-case basis and decide whether the script is any good? I'm sure these guys busted their asses to earn MBAs from Walton and worm their way into Hollywood, but their thought process seems downright moronic to me.
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And Disney/Pixar would be a perfect fit for such a lighter, sunnier character. Get Jerry Ordway, who wrote the great POWER OF SHAZAM series, as a consultant and you're good to go.
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From my perspective, THOR may be the most challenging of any superhero I know of, in realizing for the big screen. Funny thing is, I imagine the character would somehow feel more at home in an AVENGERS flick, interacting with other fantastic characters (and avoiding Thor's origins). In that sense, I find the character not nearly as challenging. (An AVENGERS flick is something many of us have been visualizing since childhood.) As to WONDER WOMAN, Rex Carsalot has it right...in that the screenplay simply needs to answer those (origin) questions and feel right within the story. And I do so love the Alex Ross approach. (THAT is what I would hope to capture on film.) And who could resist giving her the shield, sword, and golden wings from KINGDOM COME, at some point, in context of the story? Damn, I sure could imagine THAT in a climatic battle. (LOVED LOVED LOVED the bit where Superman was holding the sword, running his hand down the blade and accidentally cuts himself!)
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Doing a Captain Marvel film is a good idea if you make it more of a kids movie. Kids movies about powerful kids tend to succeed because the kids want to identify w/ those characters. It's wish fulfillment. That's why the comic was so popular to begin with. Darkening it would just be silly. It reminds me that I can't believe no one's made a live action Johnny Quest movie yet. But I think to avoid crowding the genre, studios should focus on A-list superhero characters. I couldn't care less about seeing a Thor movie. As far as DC is concerned there 3 A-listers are Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. Then maybe there's room for a Green Arrow movie...maybe. As for Marvel, they should stick with Spiderman, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, and Dare Devil. We really don't need to see every single comic book property made into a movie franchise; we just need the ones being made to be good.
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I'm all for an Avengers movie and a Justice League movie, though the latter isn't likely to happen.
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Jan 07, 2009 11:07:16 AM CST
Don't worry, as soon as Miller's BUCK ROGERS is a hit...
by bob cryptonight
...Frankie will take over THIS project, too, and give it his own special love touch. Go Frank, go!
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...should be approached as animated features. Not the the 2nd rate Justice League video store stuff...but more in the Incredibles style. In this way the more preposterous stuff like an invisible jet and her far from practical (yet super sexy) outfit won't seem as ridiculous.
These two heroes are far more 'fantastic' seeming than Bats or even Supes for that matter. A little harder to suspend disbelief in a live action medium. The same applies to Thor which I am still balffled as to how Marvel is going to make that fly. -
Marvel could go in many differnt directions with that one. Can you feel me brother?
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It was called The Adventures of Captain Marvel and was widely regarded as one of the greatest serials of all time. So, when people say it can't be done, or they should just focus on darker characters, I tend not to believe them.
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is that DC is owned by a conglomeration that includes a movie studio, while Marvel is green lighting shit like 95 going north. Unbelievable that Superman, Wonder Woman AND Shazam are now all off in the ether.
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...DICKBLOOD would love.
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In the blog August said his script was scapped because Warners wants a Shazam! movie that is more dark and brooding similar to The Dark Knight. August said his script was far more light-hearted and funny. So the news is, Warner Bros. will likely ruin the future films of their iconic superheroes by attempting to remake The Dark Knight.
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that to me Shazam should be a very sweet kid's story. Let's face it: we keep saying "Shazam" while forgetting it should be Captain Marvel. "SHAZAM" is what Billy Batson says when he transforms into Earth's Mightiest Mortal. And what boy wouldn't love to have that power?? The previous TB'er was right: this belongs at Pixar; I am hard pressed to see anyone else getting it right.
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Studios are clueless and only try to copy what is successful from the previous year. But they don't understand what made those films successful. Find a good director and trust them. Try to be a little fiscally conservative within reason. It is that simple. Studios often stymie directors and shovel out crap, and then blame piracy when their crap flops. They stifle original films, and then attempt to copy the original films that succeed (like the Matrix).
You want a $500 movie with a built-in audience. Hire Zemekis and have him do a mo-cap version of Ender's Game. He knows kids and how to make a film for kids. He also knows how to make a hard-edged film. He gets better and better with mo-cap each time out. Don't change the story to center on adults, or older kids just to cast older actors. Find older kids that are good actors to voice over mo-cap on age appropriate kids for the story.
I'm telling you, mo-cap is the only way to do the Battle School, and the only way to do age appropriate kids. It is also the only way to do the Fantasy Game. Deliver a hard-edged mo-cap Ender's Game, and you can start printing money. -
I hope that project dies until someone realizes that making it exploitation is stupid but making it like the recent critically acclaimed and lauded by just about every human "The Immortal Iron Fist", a serious, stylized Kung Fu journey adventure. Pick up the first trade by Matt Fraction and Ed Brubaker and you will say "ohh I get it".
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worst poster on AICN ever. him and his caps name. Get fucked.
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First things first-Warner Bros had NOTHING to do with the tone and style of Dark Knight. That was all Chris Nolan. Dark Knight made ungodly amounts of money so now any and all comic book movies must be exactly like Dark Knight. It is the kind of idiotic,retarded,non-logic that could only come out of a Hollywood studio. Captain Marvel has been around for what,60 years? Obviously theres something about the character the way he is that already works,yet the WB HAS to reinvent the wheel. Thats why we're going to get a Dark Superman movie(with Jon Peters favorite Black leather costume...cause you know black leather =Dark and brooding),a Dark Flash(WTF?) and the Green Lantern movie will probably feature an alcoholic Hal Jordan who flies around crying in the rain wracked with grief because he had to decapitate Sinistro(also,Green Lanterns costume will be made entirely out of Black Leather...but he WILL have a Green Lantern patch on the shoulder...to appease the fans). At this point they might just as well do that Robin TV series where Dick Grayson is referred to as DJ Jazzy Grayson and he has adventures in the circus until the ripe old age of thirty(and Batman is never ever mentioned). I've been a DC fanboy all my life,but when it comes to the movies? Make Mine Marvel!
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what the fuck does Ender's game have to do with this article? It's as if this was an article about Ender's game.
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Read both the Goldman and August drafts. The Goldman one was a chore, but the August versions were good, if a little lean, story-wise. The tone was definitely lighter and more "gee whiz." It still needed work -- bigger action beats -- but was on the right track.
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Modern militant feminists will tear it apart. Wondy will have to "cover up".
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Kelsey Grammer has the rites to that. There was some talk that He was going to bring it back to tv.
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If only THAT wasn't wishful thinking. And yeah, either LIVE ACTION or computer animation, Pixar's involvement would be a blessing, either way.
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Best avoid the Pineapple Express commentary then. He gets a shout-out from the filmmakers (not a positive one, but a shout-out nonetheless that I doubt you'd enjoy).
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I'm getting burnt out on all the superhero movies. They're all starting to run together in a blur, like when Westerns were king, ya got a bazillion westerns and only a handful worth remembering.
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However very disapointing news indeed.
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spill the beans son.
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moaning and whining about not having a place to just discuss your favourite films and all that jazz need to check out theZone...You can discuss anything you want there...except Shia...there's already enough Shia discussion there to last us for decades...and, there's no DICKBLOOD...except whenever that Kirk fucker shows up...then everybody's got a bit of dick blood...
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Jan 07, 2009 1:14:38 PM CST
Kind of shows the Nolan Bat films are because of Nolan
by most excellent ninja
damn.
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Ummm yeah, maybe this "comedy" should stay down...
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was handled well, recently, in the Justice League Unlimited toon, and in these series: Shazam! The Monster Society of Evil by Jeff Smith, Billy Batson and the Magic of Shazam! by Mike Kunkle. These along with the original material are your template for a good movie.
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I had NO idea either of those two heroes were even remotely on the radar anymore. I was just referencing them because I recently came across 3 or 4 old issues from the early 80's I had stashed away.
It's interesting because you could have no problem making a more real world/true to life tale with those characters...OR go in a more fun kind of humorous direction because the mass movie going public have no pre conceived notions and would have no clue to the source material. Just the type of thing Hollywood loves...snatch up the fruits of others creative efforts and run with it. Of course, we the geeks and diehards will be left scratching our heads. -
Shazam is the lamest of superheroes and the whole genre is far too inundated right now...all Hollywood is able to produce are reboots and superhero movies.
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To further ponder this bit of 'newsless news', did anyone actually even read Captain Marvel? Is there anyone alive who really enjoyed it? This would be like doing a movie about Aquaman or a spinoff focussing only on Robin (who has no powers but can call 911 for help when he sees evil being done).
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.....separate paragraphs. Thank you.
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First off, Captain Marvel has gotten a bad rap. He isn't one of the lamest of superheroes, he is one of the greatest. At his peak his titles were selling more issues than Superman, Batman or Captain America, the other big names of the time. Plus he was referenced in a Beatles song! The only reason people don't like him now is that his comic was forced to cancel in the 50's so he never had a chance to develop, evolve and stay in the public consciousness like Batman and Superman. I mean, you think Capt. Marvel is lame, what about the Rainbow Batman? Or Blue and Red Superman? Or the Gorilla Boss of Gotham City? Or the time Superman replaced Batman as his partner in World’s Finest with Lightning Man?
Plus when people say that Superman and Batman are easy to depict in movies because of the simplicity of their origins, I say so is Marvel. I mean, he meets a wizard who gives him a magic word to say that transforms him into a superhero. A magic word! How simple is that? It is as Michael Chabon once pointed out, Captain Marvel is the ultimate example of superhero as child power fantasy!
So how do you make it? Make it a live action “The Incredibles”, and “Bolt” to a degree. Make it a "family film" (hate that term) for young people, not for adults. Make it fun and light and magical. Don’t make it for a bunch of comic geeks, like you and me, who want everything to be dark and serious.
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Ok, I have a bold suggestion: make it a chapter serial. Not a movie based on chapter serials, like Raiders or the Rocketeer, but an honest to God chapter serial. About 9-10 10 minute segments that you can show before the any WB films over the course of one summer; and you don't need them to have much character development or even plot because you are jumping from action scene to action scene (much like the old chapter serials did).
Best thing with this idea if it is popular with kids, they will force their parents to take them to every family, kids friendly WB film that Summer, no matter how crappy, just so they can see the next installment of “Shazam: The Adventures of Captain Marvel!” Hell, us adults would probably dig it because it is such a throwback idea.
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... but outside kingdom come, captain marvel never impressed me much. I really think Warner should leave it at the big dc heroes, such as bats, supes, lantern and flash. marvel will tank anyway
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Always was. Always will be.
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Thats a good bait job you did there. It was almost like saying "Please acknowledge me Dick Blood!! Please say my name just once!!" Okay. I'm here. What? P.S. FUCK OFF AND DIE.
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spy on the family of an ex-girlfriend he ditched years ago?
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I think you're right.
I remember when a buddy and I saw Supergirl at the cinema before it died a quick death. Sure, we were mildly interested in it because it was a superhero movie. But we were primarily interested because Helen Slater was a hot chick in a hot supergirl outfit. You can't put that onscreen today and expect to be taken seriously--not because it's a superhero movie, but because it would be a scantily clad hot female superhero movie. -
I've 35 and I barely remember Shazam only because of that Saturday morning cartoon series with the live action singing high-school of superheroes or whatever that crap was.
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...there's a villain called CAPTAIN NAZI?!! hehehe. Fuck that would be hilarious if he had an extremely fake sounding German accent and goose-stepped everywhere he went. I see him sorta like the Inspector in Young Frankenstein.
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Now that this film isn't gonna happen, were one step closer.
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Sorry too much Dc vs Mortal Kombat for me. I got sick of it real quick but I really digged Captain marvel's moves.
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Just make a movie about Tawny the Talking Tiger. Now that's a movie star!
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He'd simply be The Rock with an 'S' on his shirt. And even someone as stupid as Lois Lane wouldn't be fooled into thinking a pair of glasses could disguise that big lummox. The guy sticks out like a sore thumb wherever he is.He's better off playing Black Adam, where he can ham it up as much as he wants, be a bad guy and not have to worry about "disguising" his extremely distinctive appearance.
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She was the only reason I watched Supergirl (and The Legend of Billie Jean too). I just wish they had made those blurry quick change into-outof costume, in bionic R-rated slo-mo.
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both of which can apply to a drunk girl...watch yourself!
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Jan 07, 2009 6:09:52 PM CST
I too would rather see a SHAZAM movie than another superman rema
by stalkeye
Singer dropped the ball (pun intended)when he made superman returns so now let's see something different shall we?Who ever said Captain Marvel is a lame superhero obviously never saw that episode on JLU titled Clash in which cap goes head to head with supes and then there's those graphic novels Kingdom come, the power of shazam oh and not to mention his appearance in MK VS DCU.However the chessy vintage live action filmation series was god awful.
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First Spy Hunter What ever happened To that? and now This, (he was supposed to be the Villian) Maybe He'll go back to wrestling.
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...and so was the cartoon. But c'mon people, the George Reeves "Superman"? The Adam West & Burt Ward "Batman"? "The Super Friend"? The old Superman/Superboy cartoon? "The Adventures of Batman and Robin" cartoon were they team up with Batmite? And finally, the episode of Scoobie-Doo guest starring the Dynamic Dou?
I won't even get into the other DC characters appearance in the Ultimate Cheese fest, "Legend of the Super-Heroes". -
...and kind of an "Incredibles" vibe. That's the way to go.
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Merrick wrote, "Efforts to bring SHAZAM! to the screen have gone down (and then collapsed) more often than my slutty ex-wife on a night of drunken Tejano debauchery...". I need more information on that. What is her name, age, location, etc. Second, making a SHAZAM movie is pretty straight-forward. The movie going audience knows about Shazam. Once the movie is made and the commercials begin, it will have instant name recognition. If you get some to play Captain Marvel (Jon Hamm)...
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The Lone Ranger soon. It will probably make a bunch of money. WB will be scratching their heads.
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I have that scooby doo episode as an ex rental bought VHS copy. Shit is priceless. Covers intact and all.
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The only reason the comic books is called SHAZAM is that Marvel Comics won't let them use the "Captain Marvel" name because THEY registered the name back in the 1960s when the "Shazam" Captain Marvel was out of use. It's funny, though, when people refer to the character as Shazam.
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Someone should write a film about when DC Comics sued Fawcett Comics claiming copyright infrigement on their "Superman" JUST BECAUSE Fawcett's CAPTAIN MARVEL was selling much better than SUPERMAN. It could be sort of a comedy about the industry back then.
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The script for this version took place in modern day and was mostly about "what if a little kid got superpowers?" That idea is the stuff of a cratively bankrupt writer. Tom Hanks' BIG with superpowers is how they described it. That ain't Captain Marvel. This movie needs to take place in a retro world with deadly robots and evil geniuses and facist dictators. Played INDIAN JONESishly straight, there is plenty of action and drama, but considering that the guy has a big yellow lightning bolt on his chest and is the product of "magic", it can't be too dark, for chrissakes.
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Sorry I got a bit obsessed.
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I guess I would have to go with TOMMY BOY.
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Agree with your take on the script.Also, if there were no Captain Marvel, there wouldn't have been Alan Moore's Marvelman/Miracleman series.
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I've always thought they should lift Alan Moore's Miracleman story for a Captain Marvel Movie. It's much better then any Captain Marvel story and since Miracleman was an intentional ripoff of Captain Marvel, it seems perfectly reasonable.
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The shortest one.
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Which is it took them so long to do another Superman movie. people dont like supergirl the movie. except er the crowd on Imdb. who worship the ground that movie walk on. very freaky. they dont accept or tolerate any criticism of SG the movie.
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Batman and it was a huge success. 300 million dollars. They found chris nolan now its a half billion dollars. Now wb are stuck.
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Jan 08, 2009 11:38:55 AM CST
VERN: why don't you sell a "Striving For Excellence"...
by bob cryptonight
...logo t-shirt on your CafePress page? That's a cool logo and the "Striving For Excellence" line would really get someone's attention if they saw a person wearing it. I'd buy one. Or two.
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