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Darren Aronofsky is calling upon SAG to bring Wrestlers into the Union?!?!?

Hey folks, Harry here... I completely agree with Darren's take here. It's obvious that Wrestling is not an athletic event, the results are pre-determined, the action is at least partially choreographed. The wrestlers have lines and schtick that they perform on Television and pay per view. The perform characters and there are writers employed to feed them lines and story arcs to perform. That's acting. It's violent acting. There's stunt work, but it is acting and performing. The story was sent to me by which has the full story, which I thought was interesting. What do you folks think about this?

“There’s really no reason why these guys are not in SAG,” Aronofsky told Newsday. “They’re in front of a camera performing and doing stunts, and they should have that protection. They should have health insurance and they should be protected."
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  • Dec. 29, 2008, 12:03 a.m. CST


    by mefrog

    Haven't read the article yet, but that statement is an interesting point.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 12:05 a.m. CST


    by LeckoManiac

    The lack of protection for wrestlers is embarassing. It is almost akin to the lack of protection for comic book writers.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Sounds Right

    by Crow3711

    Makes Complete sense to me. Any one with a job like that deserves a legitimate union and benefits.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 12:07 a.m. CST


    by Bloo

    and with the Publicity THE WRESTLER is getting it might make an impact, but watch McMahon and TNA's owners to fight it

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 12:12 a.m. CST

    vince is gonna go ape shit.......

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    just saying....

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Why not?

    by Charlie_Allnut

    If people get in for being in retarded commercials and what not why not wrestlers?

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Best solution I've heard to this Huge Problem

    by HectorTesticulo

    This is a problem akin to the NFL retirees seeking compensation from the players union but on an exponential level. One person has stood in the way of unionization - yes, Vince McMahon. This would be the only way to clean things up. Though I haven't seen the movie, this has the best chance since Beyond the Mat to get this conversation into the mainstream.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Whats Next!

    by laraz

    Aronofsky's argument is silly and lame. With a director such as him with a good ass looking wife at home to poke (Rachel Weisz) how did one get so lucky, he should have other things on his mind. Because he does a film about how lame a wrestler is they should be in SAG! Fuck off you twat, you only made one great film (Requim for a Dream) and a ok one (The Wrestler)! Whats next? Is Steven Soderbergh going to go to SAG to demand them the same attention because he is filming a new movie with a pornstar! You lame ass directors get over your selfs, its cinema, not a moral high road to make yourself look or seem like a saint to the disadvantage!

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 12:23 a.m. CST

    They deserve it, but would it

    by Forthesakeofhumanity

    To my limited knowledge on this subject, the majority of wrestlers out there today are simply picked up and dropped at a whim by the promoters and have very little rights. I expect that the more established bigger name wrestlers are better protected, but a lot of the small-time wrestlers seem willing to pretty much accept whatever contractual terms are offered to them for a shot at the big time. I don't know off-hand what effect it would have on the Sports Entertainment industry if wrestlers became elligible for the rights available to SAG members, but it would certainly have a massive impact on pro wrestling, particularly in terms of insurance since unlike in regular TV acting, for these guys injuries are a foregone conclusion regardless of the safety measures - unless restrictions were brought in to tone down the level of violence in the matches, and that would pretty much kill the industry! I hope their rights as performers do improve though as I have a lot of respect for what they do to their bodies (and each others) for our entertainment.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 12:23 a.m. CST

    They deserve it, but would it ruin wrestling?

    by Forthesakeofhumanity

    To my limited knowledge on this subject, the majority of wrestlers out there today are simply picked up and dropped at a whim by the promoters and have very little rights. I expect that the more established bigger name wrestlers are better protected, but a lot of the small-time wrestlers seem willing to pretty much accept whatever contractual terms are offered to them for a shot at the big time. I don't know off-hand what effect it would have on the Sports Entertainment industry if wrestlers became elligible for the rights available to SAG members, but it would certainly have a massive impact on pro wrestling, particularly in terms of insurance since unlike in regular TV acting, for these guys injuries are a foregone conclusion regardless of the safety measures - unless restrictions were brought in to tone down the level of violence in the matches, and that would pretty much kill the industry! I hope their rights as performers do improve though as I have a lot of respect for what they do to their bodies (and each others) for our entertainment.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Yeah I meant It!

    by laraz

    I meant what I said. The WWE is no more important than a porn film. So hell if the WWE gets in to SAG so should PornStars, and lets just throw in everyone on YOUTUBE as well!

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Careful, they might all go on strike!

    by Bobman46

    Actually, that would really put some actual muscle in SAG's corner! Get them in the ring to negotiate. Maybe more would get done!

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 12:25 a.m. CST


    by maxwell's hammer

    Your obnoxious and incoherant ranting has convinced me! Viva la revolucion!!

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Viva La Vida?

    by laraz

    Viva La Vida was a really bad album, yet I am glad you want to join the revolution!

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 12:43 a.m. CST

    i only worry about porn-star actresses

    by noiretblanc

    they're people too

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Couldn't he just make WWE a "Non-union" project?

    by topaz4206

    Forcing the newly-SAG wrestlers into unemployment?

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Coldplay is Radiohead for old people...

    by maxwell's hammer

    ...and the only thing revolting around here is YOU!<BR> <BR> (You see how I did a little play on words there?)

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 1:30 a.m. CST

    a lot of wrestlers have done movies

    by the milf lover

    and tv shows, guys like Hogan, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Kevin Nash, John Cena... arent they already in SAG for that? And how would the SAG apply to the wrestlers performing in little companies that dont get on tv? There's a shitload more wrestlers out there than the ones we see on WWE and TNA, that never appear on tv. Would the SAG cover them too? The situation is a lot more complex than Aronofsky seems to think.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 1:49 a.m. CST

    There's a loophole they use...

    by swinky

    Wrestlers are classified and employed as independent contractors under exclusive contracts. I'm not sure if actors are classified the same way or not. There is a currently lawsuit against the WWE right now by a former wrestler (Scott Levy). The basis of the lawsuit is that the performers are actually WWE employees and not contractors. The outcome of that case will be definitely linked to future unionization. Right now, wrestlers are paid a salary along with a portion of merchandise revenues. BUT, they don't get any royalties for repeats of performances, i.e. "matches". And by all accounts, the writers are just corporate employees and nothing more. What's interesting though is that a few months ago, WWE hired Freddie Prinz Jr. as part of their creative team. I wonder how he gets paid?

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Independent Contractors

    by tk 421

    Vince is just a carny plain and simple. All this whole "independent contractor" angle Vince has gone with is just another way to milk a few extra bucks off of a bunch of stupid steroid popping crash test dummies. Yeah, Vince and all of his carny promoter buddies share in the blame for the shocking litany of wrestlers for dying before the age 50. Google, "dead wrestlers" its sad how many died so young. But, as much as the promoters are to blame, the wrestlers are as much to blame. There is nothing stopping them from insisting upon a union. These are grown men and no one has the duty to protect their interests except for themselves.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 2:04 a.m. CST

    It's theater not a sport.

    by Power_Girl

    You wouldn't think it would take a genius to figure that one out but it's wrestling fans were talking about... and most of the wrestlers are bat shit crazy anyway. Let them in SAG or whatever theater actors are in. The WWE and TNA chew up the wrestlers and spit them out.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 2:06 a.m. CST

    I had chili for lunch.

    by Godovhellfire

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Does Anyone Not See the Problem With This Idea?

    by Corterville

    If all wrestlers are allowed into the SAG, and are classified as actors, then the WWE finally has to admit, once and for all, that wrestling is FAKE.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 2:35 a.m. CST

    DA-It's brilliant!!!

    by Mr.LordBronco

    Wow- I'm both ROMAFL and at the same time floored as that's an idea I would have never thought of!!! On one hand, we have the SAG threatening to go on strike for nuanced residuals, on the other hand we have Chris Benoit perpetrating War Crimes. Granted that's an extreme comparison, but perhaps Alec Baldwin would give some respect to guys who actually physically and mentally damage themselves in pursuit of their *art* As actually being artists. It opens up a whole can of worms though-what about the imported fight Choreographers who don't have a domestic union representing them as well? To those poo-pooing such an idea and dismissing it as substandard, stock car watching redneck entertainment. Just go tap Jimmy "Superfly" Snooka's shoulder in a bar during his heyday. I'm just saying-maybe ask Hulk Hogan about his muscles on that coach flight international back in his hey day. Ha ha-this is going to be an internet meme-I guarantee ya!

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 2:37 a.m. CST

    He's right

    by ugh

    It won't happen, but he's right.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 2:42 a.m. CST

    can you imagine...


    if Wrestlers went on strike - and the scabs that would cross the lines? THAT'S TELEVISION!

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 2:44 a.m. CST

    no no no

    by wash

    They can start their own freaking union. Jeeze. DA is cool but damn this is an idiotic idea.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Even more important than Medical, Wrestlers deserve an off seaso

    by heavenlykid

    As of now they don't get one. Just two months a year, paid, would save lives in the long run. That's my thinking at least.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 2:57 a.m. CST

    Apparently Season has an N on the end.

    by heavenlykid


  • Dec. 29, 2008, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Consider meme planted!

    by Mr.LordBronco

    Yeah-I cllled in as many heavy weights as I can-Ding! Gotta love the myspace!

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 3:38 a.m. CST

    i agree with Mr. Aronovski and tk 421

    by the podosphere

    Wrestlers are performers who deserve guild protection, and I think tk hit the nail on the head about McMahon. The WGA should look into organizing the writers of their sketches too. Really, the WWE is a trashy soap opera with scantily-clad performers of both genders, a wrestling ring and a live audience.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 4:16 a.m. CST

    vince mcmahon is an ahole

    by bacci40

    he is exactly like the old studio what he will do if they try to form a was mcmahon who pushed wrestlers into using roids...who pushed them into doing more dangerous stunts...who has never taken responsibility for anything that has occured in or out of the ring...and has become rich off of others toil and creativity...mcmahon is a very rich pimp

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 4:20 a.m. CST

    what about getting porn actors into the guild too?

    by bacci40

    if any part of the biz needs union protection, its the porn actor...shit, if porn actors were in sag, then they couldnt be forced by the likes of max hardcore to let him piss and puke all over them in the name of art

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 4:36 a.m. CST


    by Hilarious Wacky Username

    Interesting that Harry would run a story fed to him by that douche who gave him the fake Buffy/Angel script story a couple of years back.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 4:38 a.m. CST


    by peterwatts

    Commenting on shit you don't understand to get publicity for you flick is so passe. Lame director famous for a grug movie, perhaps he can campaign for cyborg rights when promotong Robocop. Would love to see this faggot take on Vince and get smashed like every one else, but he will just move on to his next project when it suits him. Bring in the union for one company? No WWE, no business, get a clue retard, if the writers srike Vince will go back to writing it himself as he has done many times before, he will perform it as well well, he will fight his son in law at sold out venues. Perhaps he should get back to re editing The Fountain to flop again.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Wrestlers should be in.

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    And so should porn actors. <p> It's not a 'one should be in, the other not' situation, so stop making it into that.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Wow, I never thought about that.

    by DerLanghaarige

    In fact, it's a good idea, but I doubt that this will ever happen. If something as harmless as writer for TV Cartoons aren't covered by any kind of guild, how big do you think is the chance that something extreme like wrestlers aore gonna be guild protected?

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Extreme like wrestlers actually suffer

    by Mr.LordBronco

    Much like stunt/fight choeragraphers, they actually are damaged. However, TV Cartoon writers really should be punished! You know who I'm TalkinBack about: DethkloK Rules!

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 5:30 a.m. CST

    A few things Wrestlers need.

    by Die_Hardest

    1. A Union. 2. An off-season so their bodies can recuperate. 3. Pensions. 4. Insurance benefits forlife. 5. Rigorous tests for performance enhancing drugs with harsh punishments. And remember that wrestling is a mixture of acting and athletics. Wrestling is not a sport, it's entertainment. Wrestlers, however, are athletes.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 5:44 a.m. CST

    New Union Boss: KAMALA!!!

    by Gus Van Rant

    Seriously, these guys are more like circus animals as opposed to actors.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 5:44 a.m. CST

    Aronosfky's got a point

    by palewook

    so does Bacci40~

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 6:51 a.m. CST

    why do only rich people get effective unions?

    by sakkatta

    sports, actors, writers etc

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 7 a.m. CST

    Wrestling to this day is still a Carny Act

    by deadelephant

    Vince Mcmahon and the WWE tried so hard to make wrestling bigger then it really is. A glorified exploitive Carny act. Vince McMahon would use all his powers to crush any chance of unionizing wrestlers (they done before) Do you think a union for wrestlers would allow what Mick Foley has done to him self over the years. It would be great for all wrestlers but would place so many restrictions on the events that the idea of jumping off the ropes onto a wrestler outside the ring would never happen again.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Major problems...

    by Literarywanderer

    Making wrestlers SAG members would pretty much kill the industry. The rosters alone on TNA and WWE make paying them a standard fee insane not to mention the majority of wrestling revenue comes from house shows, not televised events. That is why wrestlers wrestle nearly year round. The cost of production would go through the roof making pro wrestling hard to sustain. Also, with the majority of revenue coming from private shows, not televised events, I'd think wrestlers would fit better under theater rather than in the category of screen actors. Imagine a Tony category for that! The only real group that would benefit from this is SAG because of the increased revenue from members. I'm sorry, but with the steady line of hungry wrestlers out there, you try to unionize and you'll be booted pretty damn fast. As to the number of men who died young, that's true, but that's also because of a heavy amount of drug abuse and worse. But if you ask the average wrestler how they feel about their craft you'll hear that they love it. Why else would they put up with so much? And if Darren thinks putting these men under union contract would improve things, he's an idiot. The level of competition is fierce, one of the reason these guys use so many drugs to keep going. Create a union and you put restrictions on the numbers of events lowering revenue, put restrictions on matches removing the level of excitement, and give more money to drug addicts leading to a quicker demise. Unionization would kill televised wrestling but it would definitely fuel the old territories all over again bringing back house shows big time.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 7:26 a.m. CST

    is this realistic?

    by crazybubba

    aronofsky's right, but i can't imagine this ever happening. I don't know anything about SAG, but i can just imagine a bunch of Hollywood actors snobbishly turning their noses up at the suggestion of equating professional wrestlers with real acting. Wrestling has a shady history and its sleazy culture is deeply entrenched. I can't imagine guys like McMahon are even his rivals and enemies in the business ever allowing this to happen.<p>strikes however would be great entertainment. Scabs that showed up to work would get bloodied real quick.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Brings Up Other Questions.....

    by LeftFoot

    SAG regulates things such as; extras, walk-ons, non-speaking parts, speaking parts, supporting roles, main roles, etc.<P> If wrestling became part of SAG would they have to list the cost of being thrown onto the mat, being thrown onto a table outside the ring, standing on the ring corner post and jumping on opponent, being hit by someone who just jumped off the ring corner post, etc.? <P> This conjures up at lot of interesting and very silly questions.<P>Vince McMahon could play a bad guy without acting - the "Anti Actor Rights Villian"; he'll fire anyone on the planet that gets in his way!!!

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 7:40 a.m. CST

    They don't Care About Wrestlers, It's All About Money!!!

    by Media Messiah

    It's all about making money from Union dues, etc., but forget about that...why hasn't SAG stood-up against the Academy Awards and insisted that the Oscar Award categories be made for Stunt Men and Stunt Women...and while they are at it, where is the Screen Actor's Guild Award for Stunt Men, Stunt Women and Stunt Teams??? You can't claim that you are attempting to stand-up for the rights of Wrestlers...but conveniently forget to put your money and actions where your mouth is to finally acknowledge the efforts of Stunt People who regularly risk their lives and injury for Hollywood, to make actors and actresses, directors, producers and their films, look good.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST

    What About Stunt Men And Stunt Women???

    by Media Messiah

    Why has Hollywood forgotten to acknowledge them??? How about asking that question??? No Stunt Award for Stunt People from The Emmy's, The Golden Globes, The Oscars, The Tonys, or The Screen Actor's Guild Awards???!!! You Selfish Hypocrites!!!

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 7:49 a.m. CST

    SAGs Attempt Top Get A Piece Of Reality TV

    by Media Messiah

    Yep, first the Wrestlers...and then Reality TV Stars will be brought into SAG, if they are not already being repped by the Union??? It's all about the money, period!!!

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 8:30 a.m. CST

    It won't fly, not just because of Vince's bribes...

    by JackPumpkinhead

    ...but also because if it did work, stuntmen would rightfully demand their turn, too, and the Film Actors Guild (arf!) knows it.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Kamala is good choice for Union Boss

    by classyfredblassy

    I managed that freak for a number of years. But I would like to the Honky Tonk Man get the gig. "My momma called me the Honky Tonk Man when I was born on a pool table in Joe's bar and grill in Memphis"

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 9:15 a.m. CST

    SAG is not the only union option and yes there are many things t

    by bishopfan85

    I'm a former pro-wrestler now actor who's been working on this for some time now. I've actually been looking at other actors union organizations that make a better fit towards an industry that mainly deals with television and live events. The live events can actually be covered by theatre unions such as Actors Equity while all wrestlers have the option of joining AFTRA on their own and pushing to drive the television industry to develop more programs fitting of their skills and running them as union projects. Only after enough Pro Wrestlers take the necessary steps to change the industry will it change and the best incentive to make that a reality is for there to be a lucrative reasoning that shows everyone why it would benefit them (clearly the obvious reasons don't do it alone). I've spoken with dozens of wrestlers who have all indicated that the monopolization of the industry is the biggest drawback to anyone speaking out about a union. Even old-timers would not want to speak out just in case Vince McMahon may one day decide to call them up for some type of short lived legends role. I credit Pro Wrestlers for their passions but can't stand seeing them respond in a way reminiscent of a battered housewife when it comes to being told that there is a way out of the hell they endure. When "The Wrestler" first began to receive such acclaim and I learned about what the content of the film covered I knew it had the potential to pick up where the 1999 documentary "Beyond the Mat" left off in opening the mainstream audiences eyes to the tragic background of a great industry. Hopefully the attention spans of the people will last long enough this time for change to actually occur before we yet again fall right back into the same horrific cycle of abuse and death.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Wrestling is science fiction, after all

    by BrandLoyalist

    Just ask the Sci-Fi channel. Still not so sure about that point, actually, but Aronofsky is clearly right: scripted, on screen... it's screen acting.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST

    CGI Actors should get SAG protection

    by JustyHakubi

    Does SAG give a damn about Little Nemo, Buzz Lightyear, Chip Hazard... hell no they don't. If wrestlers were brought into the Union then you can kiss wrestling goodbye. All you are going to get is a bunch fat, lazy old men who will refuse to stay in game shape and who will refuse to leave when the character is written off. Wrestling is what it is today because Vince and the other promoters made it that way. You can hate Vince all you want buy without him wrestling would be stuck in the rut it was in back in 70's. The last thing you need in SAG dicking around in what is a winning formula. The wrestlers have contracts. They know what they are getting into when they sign. This idea is asinine.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST


    by Err

    It was composed of Ken Shamrock, Test, Mankind, and Big Show. It failed to stop the Corporation and eventually disbanded when the Corporation and the Undertaker's Ministry merged into the Corporate Ministry. The Union's main backer was Vince McMahon. Yet, when Vince was revealed to be the "Higher Power" that Undertaker took his orders from, the Union had no backer so it was disbanded. I can't believe no one remembers this.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST


    by bishopfan85

    You have no idea how often I hear that "the wrestlers know what they are getting into when they sign" argument. Keep in mind that they sign because they have NO OTHER OPTIONS. I signed a contract with a group that literally stripped me of any and all chances to make anymore off of my work than what they were willing to pay me which wasn't much. You do have a choice, either to not perform while the industry you love is still in the stone ages or deal with it and work to make it better. Before the Screen Actors Guild and other actors unions were formed actors were in a very similar boat and in some cases even worse because they were forced to film in 24 hour shifts without breaks, low wages and one sided contracts while enduring harassment and ungodly living conditions. They could have walked too, but knew at the time it was this or nothing. It's 2008 and pro wrestling is in a state that hasn't been seen by other forms of entertainment since the 1930's!

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Mankind as SAG President

    by mrfan

    Just wait. It will happen.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Technically, they are independent contractors.

    by Royston Lodge

    Wouldn't unionization turn them into employees? Is that was wresters want? It's not all roses and sunshine when you go from being an independent contractor to being an employee.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST

    And before anyone points it out...

    by Royston Lodge

    I fully admit I don't know what I'm talking about.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Jesse Ventura

    by The Game Master

    Former pro-wrestler and MN governor tried for years to get a union started when he was with WWF in the '80s. Hogan stooged this out to Vince which is where the massive friction between Ventura and MacMahon began. If someone is serious about getting wrestlers into SAG or any other union, they should talk with Jesse Ventura, who has already done years of legwork and research into this. Plus, having a former governor and close friend of CA gov Arnold (they ARE good friends) can give a lot of power to the argument.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Sounds good to me

    by Dr. Chim Richalds

    Vince McMahon is little better than a carnival barker taking tickets at a piss-poor freak show. I liked wrestling when I was a kid, but I couldn't subsidize that industry after I learned of its seamier side. Wrestlers need a union and there is far too much institutional and individual pressure to permit its formation, absent some outside-of-the-box thinking. I'd love to see it just to watch McMahon piss his pants. Oh, and I'm sure wrestling would survive - maybe in a form in which the talent didn't die from mysterious causes before age 50, but it would survive nonetheless.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Makes Sense...

    by NeoAngelus

    And in an organization like WWE, if they wanted to join, there's nothing he can do ever since he opted to change from World Wrestling Federation to World Wrestling Entertainment. Wrestlers are acknowledged entertainers, no one believes that the wrestling world is real anymore (the moves all hurt, but not as much as the wrestlers sell it, which further validates that they are actors).

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Roddy Piper tried to start a union in the 80s

    by DougMcKenzie

    He got railroaded for doing it too. I think these guys would be more inclined to join AFTRA then SAG. Having a union medical plan would probably be a real benefit for these guys as well. Does WWE even have an employees plan?

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 1:13 p.m. CST

    wrestling is NOT an athletic event?


    What an asinine fucking comment. Just because its predetermined does not mean it doesn't take incredible athleticism to pull it off.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Something has to be done

    by Double M

    I agree with many of the statements above listing all of the reasons that this can't/won't happen, but it seems that there are enough big name players that could get together and force this issue. I just want to know who would enforce any of this if a union were to be formed. I can see Vince sit back and say "Hey, you want to join this BS union?. OK, FIRED!" A common saying in the business is that Vince can turn chicken shit into chicken salad, what is to stop him from getting rid of everyone who signs up and starting fresh. Hell, he might enjoy the challenge. Maybe even have some new catchy slogan to advertise the "New generation" of the WWE or some bullshit like what happened in the mid 90s when all of his big name stars retired or went to WCW.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Unions are bad, m-kay?

    by The Eskimo

    And is one big reason the Big 3 can't turn a profit and needs us to bail them out because they have to pay $60/hr to an employee who screws in bolts on the assembly line.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 4:16 p.m. CST

    What's that smell???

    by Alkeoholic77

    It's Vince McMahon shitting his pants. I agree that if they are considered entertainers then they should be in the SAG and get some sort of pension and benefits. Screw this whole "independant contractor" status that they get.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Porn actors and sag...

    by Alkeoholic77

    I thought they already went hand in hand? I mean give them a couple of years and check out those beef curtains.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Vince McMahon=L.Ron Hubbard=Tom Cruise=Gay Porn=Bullshit

    by Mr.LordBronco


  • Dec. 29, 2008, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Gus Van Rant

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Holy crap I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything. It would have sprayed through my nose. That was just too damn funny.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 7 p.m. CST

    Misleading headline!

    by Logan_1973

    That headline makes it sound like Darren is mailing petitions to SAG. Not so. Let's not put up misleading headlines just to generate traffic, eh?

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Alkeoholic77 Is Right. Why Isn't SAG Repping Porn Actors?

    by Media Messiah

    SAG claims that Wrestlers need protection, well, what about porn actors? SAG just opened up one big fat can of worms with this issue!!!

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST

    SAG? Who's Protecting Dancers???

    by Media Messiah

    Are you standing-up for dancers and choreographers now, too???

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Vince McMahon will destroy anyone who joins a union!

    by Leafar the Lost

    I agree, SAG should be representing professional wrestlers. However, Vince McMahon will fire any wrestler who joins a union, or even talks about wanting to join a union. The federal government would have to step in to protect the wrestlers, because Vince McMahon doesn't give a fuck. Also, porn actors and actresses should be allowed to join SAG too. They have lines and perform in front of cameras. It doesn't matter that they are having actual sex on camera, because we all know that some mainstream actors/actresses have had real sex during their sex scenes.

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST

    If someone was smart . . .

    by The Game Master

    This would be the perfect chance for a new wrestling promotion to really taker over. A promotion that STARTS with a union would be VERY attractive to wrestlers across the board, and much of Vince's talent would gladly jump ship to join. Not TNA though. They need a new name. But a third promotion could step in with this caveat and grab the industry by the balls!

  • Dec. 30, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Re: Game Master

    by Losteroo

    I was thinking the exact same thing! This really could be a great opportunity.

  • Dec. 30, 2008, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Vince would destroy that new wrestling promotion too.

    by Leafar the Lost

    Vince would make his talent sign contracts that they couldn't wrestle with this new promotion, or they would have to pay back his money. Or, something to the effect that they couldn't wrestle for them for 5 years or something. TNA and WWE would unite to destroy the NWP (New Wrestling Promotion that starts with a union)!

  • Dec. 30, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Well, wrestlers make enough to pay the exorbitant initiation fee

    by DallasGoodbar

    SAG voted not too long ago to jack the fee up to $2300 to join. JUST TO JOIN! The guild doesn't care about the fact that the majority of actors are starving artists just like painters and dancers. They vote to keep people out qualified people with discernable talent who just happen to be in a lower economic catagory! Recently, they just voted to prevent from striking. If they want to include wrestlers that's perfectly fine for me. They're just as fake as the industry itself. For a labor union SAG is a joke!

  • Dec. 31, 2008, 8:12 a.m. CST

    I agree

    by Weapon M

    I mean I totally agree. I know there are going to be interesting things going on in terms of the insurance aspect of it.. But I think Wrestlers should be covered. I dont watch that much Wrestling myself, but that shouldn't be taken into account. The fact that it is ACTED, and they are PERFORMING, and they are doing their own stunts. They have scripts, they have writers who some WORK in the movie or television industry. I mean. WTF?! They have tv series with running themes and stories the whole shabang!!! I totally agree. I hope there is a move to put them into the SAG. Hopefully the politics don't keep these guys/gals out.