Dec. 28, 2008, 5:03 a.m. CST
I doubt it...
Dec. 28, 2008, 5:04 a.m. CST
by Horace Cox
A; Nun. Get it? Get it? Hardy har har.
Dec. 28, 2008, 5:05 a.m. CST
Damn You Michael Bay
Dec. 28, 2008, 6:59 a.m. CST
Wow. That's some pretty strong stuff (and I hope they caught that evil liar who accused you). Although I can see how your experience relates to your take on the movie, I'm still surprised you would put that in your article what with some of the evil bastards that populate these talkbacks.
Dec. 28, 2008, 7:01 a.m. CST
Mark my words. This is the type of stuff that the Oscar voters always get behind, and the buzz on it has been building for a while.
Dec. 28, 2008, 8:56 a.m. CST
for laying himself out there like that and telling us a fucked up thing that happened to him is an evil, inconsiderate motherfucker. Anyone who thinks that is funny should probably be molested themselves, just to get some perspective. We should all feel lucky Harry is so open and trusting with us for the most part. Great review.
Dec. 28, 2008, 8:58 a.m. CST
by Stan Arthur
That story of yours would make a great screen play.
Dec. 28, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST
Hey Harry, that ranch hand wasnt Heath Ledger, was it? LOL!!
Dec. 28, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST
being a liar. I was told to go and stand in the corner of the class room while she continued on the lesson. its an awful thing being accused of something you didnt do.
Dec. 28, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST
That never happened to you, you big liar.
Dec. 28, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST
...was much different than mine. Apparently Harry is the kind of guy that takes EVERYTHING at face value. That's okay. At face value the trailer sets up the Nun bitch accuser, the unsure wavering nun apprentice, and the awe shucks good guy who is obviously innocent of any wrongdoing. And that's what Harry got out of the trailer. What I got out of the trailer is that this would be just another Hollywood "twist" movie where the Bitch nun is proved right and the awe shucks good guy really is a buggerer of boys. But obviously the audience only finds this out after the priest wins and the nun is sent away/defeated. That's what *I* got out of the trailer. <p><p> Obviously though based on Harry's description of the movie, neither of us were right.
Dec. 28, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST
is my Uncle. John Patrick Shanley is my mother's brother. I don't live back east anymore, so I never saw the play, but my folks have a cameo in the movie (which isn't playing where I live yet). They're in the congregation in the opening moments.
Dec. 28, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST
It is both sickening and digusting that the irish state employed a known paedofile priest in a state school and more incredibly stood over his employment. Two of the best films to come out of ireland in recent years are Song for a Raggy boy starring Iain glen and Aidan Quinn and the Magadelen sister Starring Geraladine McEwan. McEwan gives the best performance of her career. Watch her and feel the hairs stand up on the back of you neck. The last magdalene laundry closed in 1996. Children born into those prisons were buried in unmarked graves and this day the sisters of Mercy have refused to hand over the list of names.
Dec. 28, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST
Dec. 28, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST
...but speaking of trailers that make you think a movie is something entirely different than what it really is, did anyone have that experience with BLINDNESS? From the teaser trailer (almost trailer length) I got the impression it was a psychological thriller about an unexplained blindness coming over the population but that the blindness wave might have actually originated with the government. It then seemed the government was putting people in quarantine and then doing stuff to them (like experiments of some sort) thinking that nobody could see ... but someone could. Again, that's what I got from the trailer every time I saw it, but that isn't the direction the movie takes at all. Yes there's blindness, yes there's quarantine, but none of the other stuff comes into play. Anyone else have that experience? Here's a link to the teaser, but I could swear that the one I saw had a different reveal of her being able to see ... some close-up wide-eyed, "I can see" uttered in fear. http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/blindness/mediumt.html
Dec. 28, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST
I'm so sorry that had to happen to you when you were younger. But it's cool that you're able to say it without shame to boost perspective on one of your reviews. Well done.
Dec. 28, 2008, 11:21 a.m. CST
by Johnny Smith
Kudos for having the cajones to write something like that in one of your reviews, knowing full well what could be said. I'm quite glad that the responses so far have been largely level-headed. Remember the good stuff people have been saying here so far if people start talking smack. I'm in your corner, dude. Incidentally, the lady and I saw the film last night, and while she was absolutely convinced Father Flynn and Miller had an improper encounter (or several), I wasn't convinced either way, and could see both views.
Dec. 28, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST
Dec. 28, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST
just asking...as it doesnt seem like an entertaining film...a blatant Oscar grab sure, but entertainment?
Dec. 28, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST
Dec. 28, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST
by Lenny Nero
...and film can be both art and entertainment or either. The film (and the play) treat the recent Catholic priest scandals as a jumping off point to dig into the past and uncover the many complications involved within and without the witch-hunting mentality and the complexity of being both right and wrong. Film can be used to explore emotions and the labyrinthine areas of our mind that up our morality and certainty and how it has a negative correlation for everything else. <p>Is that "entertainment"? I would say it is, because it inspires thought and discussion and introspection, and art is designed to be evocative of all things and not just evocative of awe and romance and excitement. <p>But a blatant Oscar grab? No. Then they would have hired some shitty director like Ron Howard to helm it. This is Shanley's tale, and it's a good one, and that should be enough.
Dec. 28, 2008, 12:37 p.m. CST
Entertain and learn.
Dec. 28, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST
Entertain and educate and make you think. Some films make you strike up a debate after uou see a movie.
Dec. 28, 2008, 12:46 p.m. CST
right harry? *wink*
Dec. 28, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST
Any one complaining about no resolution, entertainment, etc isn't really getting the point, IMO. I've seen the broadway play with Cherry Jones and I'm sure the film is almost identical in terms of content. The whole story is about the idea of having doubt, or certainties, about people, and how it influences events. Streep's character has no doubt. But as the story goes on we start to have our doubts, both in her and father flynn. There's no resolution because just as in life you have to make your own call on what happened. Some times in life you just don't get to know all the facts. Ever. You may leave the theater believing Father Flynn is totally innocent, but in the back of your head, you'll always have some doubt. I really don't want to sound condescending, but that's just simply the point of the story, and it's successful. It couldn't really be more obvious, it's called Doubt.
Dec. 28, 2008, 1:22 p.m. CST
by Bungion Boy
I found her performance to be very good in this film, just as I found the woman playing that part very good in the original New York production. But I think this performance, no matter who does it, is destined to be overpraised. People are so floored by the writing and plot development in that scene, that they mistake good writing for great acting. In the original broadway production, I thought the woman playing Sister James gave a far more layered and interesting performance. But she didn't get any attention. She doesn't have that shocking scene in the play. For the record, this has happened for Viola Davis before. She won a Tony for August Wilson's King Hedly II. She was perfectly fine in it but she had this gut wrenching scene that made people go crazy. I don't know. I prefer subtlety.
Dec. 28, 2008, 1:31 p.m. CST
Two nuns are walking through a park when two thugs pull them into the bushes an start to rape them.<br><Br> One nun looks up and says "Forgive them Lord. They know not what they do."<br><Br>The second nun looks over and says "Mine does."<br><br> As far as misleading trailers, I go with "The Royal Tenenbaums." Looked like a wacky comedy. <br><br> Not so much.
Dec. 28, 2008, 1:39 p.m. CST
by Akira Cowabunga
A nun that looks like Salma Hayek.
Dec. 28, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST
I had to get into a line-up and was later released when the billion childhoods watching from behind the one-way mirror informed the police that I definitely wasn't George Lucas.
Dec. 28, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST
when invading iraq. no doubt at all. They both believed god was on thier side. Blair did not do the god thing(but converted to catholiscism). Bush was very open about god even admitting to talking to about a palestinian state. good riddance to george W Bush and his incompetent god fearing clique.
Dec. 28, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST
by a goonie
But I really wanted to be. As the movie began, I was completely on board. I loved the chilly look of the movie, the archaic architecture, the simplicity of the movie's surroundings. And at first, I was genuinely creeped out by Meryl Streep's Nurse Ratchett, er, I mean, Sister Aloysius. And I enjoyed Philip Seymour Hoffman's performance right off the bat. But as the movie progressed, I found my interest waning and my emotional engagement drying up. In the end, I thought the movie felt more like a series of ruminations on the old and new Catholic Church than a fully realized story. Streep is very good in the beginning, but her performance devolves into caricature by the end. She is completely one-dimensional until the ending and I didn't buy her sudden explosion of conscience.<br><br>Also, Shanley directs his own play as if he's afraid to think outside of the box. There are some good moments (such as the comparison of the priest and nun dinners), but much of the movie is shot in such an obvious manner (hey look! It's another canted angle!) that I felt myself being pulled out of the movie. And the weather symbolism is completely overdone.<br><br>All in all, it's a watchable movie, but it didn't leave much of an impression on me. I'm sure the movie will clean up with Oscar noms, but there are far more deserving movies so far this year.
Dec. 28, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST
by Little Beavis
...will never top his 1990 masterpiece Joe Versus the Volcano. That is all.
Dec. 28, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST
by Little Beavis
...sorry that kind of shit happened to you... awesome that you sound like a great uncle to your nephew despite that childhood fuckstorm you went thru!
Dec. 28, 2008, 4:43 p.m. CST
by Alfie Boy
What's with that reference?
Dec. 28, 2008, 10 p.m. CST
I hope you found that guy again at some point. What scum.
Dec. 28, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST
Seems to be alot of gaps in that story. If I was a kid, and some ranch hand accused me of molestation, first I'd deny it straight away. Was the sister a baby? was she too young to vouch for Harry? what about the guns, why not just say let's go count em. Plus I can't imagine Harry would get beat based on one accusation.
Dec. 28, 2008, 11:16 p.m. CST
Actually - the story is in my book. My sister was 3 at the time. And it happened almost exactly as stated - the longer version involves the police trying to arrest the man. I never reported the abuse issue at the time, because it was a one time thing, and ultimately I was a couple years out from going to college and just wanted to "do my time" till I got back to Austin. You can read the entire story in my book, AINT IT COOL.
Dec. 28, 2008, 11:18 p.m. CST
by Dr. Chim Richalds
It's not usually the type of movie that I see - one in which I go in with little investment in the story and simply want to watch the ACTING on display. Nobody disappointed in that regard, and Streep's character was particularly compelling as someone whose motives and actual beliefs were never entirely clear. That said, I would be surprised if I ever watched it again and I'm sure that it isn't everyone's cup of tea. It's just one of those movies that you can appreciate for the performances but that doesn't necessarily stay with you after you leave the theater.
Dec. 28, 2008, 11:18 p.m. CST
by the time I returned from school, my mother was already blindass drunk - furious by the accusation and my 'punishment' had been decided. There was no pleading the case, the judge was passed out blind drunk.
Dec. 29, 2008, 12:17 a.m. CST
You molested your sister AND your mom's an abusive alcoholic?? No wonder your so fucked up!
Dec. 29, 2008, 12:57 a.m. CST
...then Harry's first sentence proves his idiocy. The story is awful, the dialogue is meant for scenery gluttons, and the plot loses its sense of forward momentum a third of the way through. I didn't read more than the first paragraph of this review because, at this point, Harry would love DUMPSTER BABY if it was re-released.
Dec. 29, 2008, 3:10 a.m. CST
(stay tuned for the riding crop. Yeehah!)
Dec. 29, 2008, 3:11 a.m. CST
I didn't know you were catholic.
Dec. 29, 2008, 6:01 a.m. CST
What, were you born back in the 1890's livin on a ranch with your Ma and Pa and a couple a ranch hands? Is this when you ran out of the house yelling "SHAAAAANE"? You should have held back on the "riding crops till my back bled" part because when you're making something up, at least make it a little believable. Never go full back bleeding.
Dec. 29, 2008, 11:46 a.m. CST
Dec. 29, 2008, 4:23 p.m. CST
The last scene just didn't fit in with the entire movie. When she says she has doubts it completely goes against herself for the entire movie. It would have been much better if there was some sort of expression without her having to say anything. I mean it's Streep for god sakes. I think she can do a decent expression without needing to say things. Hoffman was good with his quiet intesity that he always brings. The last confrontation with him and streep was a great acting scene. I still prefer him in Before The Devil Knows You're Dead though.
Dec. 29, 2008, 6:49 p.m. CST
by a rolling stone
Ranch-hand beatings and stolen guns? THAT is a true Texas story, my friend. Makes me proud to live here. It almost came off as a gunslinger flashback. Roland in Mejis, or maybe when he ratted Hax out to his father in Gilead.
Dec. 30, 2008, 8:43 a.m. CST
Ray winstone is putting the finishing touches to his new film called 44 inch Chest. Its a gangster movie and wait untill you see whos in it. John Hurt, Ian McShane, Tom Wilkinson, Joanne Whalley Stephen Dillane and the mighty Steven berkoff.
Dec. 30, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST
then sexy beast.
Dec. 30, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST
really want to know what serious something it was Snarky was accused of? Also, it does look like oscar bait; dull bait, no-less.
Dec. 30, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST
The kid has exactly zero lines.
Dec. 31, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST
the ranch hands beat him with riding crops and made him work with a post hole digger...sounds like a sick fantasy to me
Jan. 2, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST
by Gungan Slayer
I've both read and watched the performance of the play that this film is based on, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm glad to see that the film adaptation has received good reviews and I plan on watching it sometime soon.
Jan. 8, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST
the Irish catholic church would of learned its lesson over the 2005 fearns report. As the cloynes scandal of 2008 rumbles on. its seems that they have not. Bishop John Magee, the bishop of Cloyne appointed by the previous pope, is not going anywhere. according to him only the new pope has the authority to fire him. There is huge pressure for john MAgee to go. but he is brazening it out. here is the link to the rte page on such matters: http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0107/abuse.html
Jan. 11, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST
but nothing amazing. Very "small" movie with a few connecting pieces between two showdowns. Nice performances but I couldn't understand why they never bothered to question the little kid involved. If they suspected Hoffman to have done something then why didn't they ask the kid anything at all? The ending was a exactly what I expected, it was obviously from the beginning that this simple movie would not have a definite conclusion (no one wants to see either actors as the one that's right or wrong, only in between). I felt that it was extremely cheesy for Streep to have doubts. It did not fit her character at all.
Jan. 24, 2009, 11:42 p.m. CST
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this. It was so obvious to me that he was gay the way the mother was talking about his "nature" and if he brought something out in the priest, it was the boy's fault, and that the boy's dad didn't even like him...and of course, let us not forget the boy being self-conscious enough to ask his friend if he thought he looked fat...I didn't expect that at all, and I thought this movie did a great job of taking a seemingly obvious situation and showing us that reality is more oft than not more complicated.
Jan. 25, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST
"From the trailer, I thought this film was about an over-bearing bitch of a nun, played by Meryl Streep, accusing a nice lenient and thoughtful Father, played by Philip Seymour Hoffman, of being a child buggerer wrongfully." That's interesting. I saw the trailer (presumably the same one) before Slumdog Millionaire tonight and got the opposite impression - that Hoffman's character was guilty and Streep's character was the 'good' one bringing the incident out.
Jan. 25, 2009, 8:32 p.m. CST
SPOILERS, SPOILERS, SPOILERS. There, anyone who hasn't seen this movie is thoroughly warned. I like this movie because we don't know exactly what happened in the priest's past or with the priest and the kid and it encourages us to come up with what might have happened. My take: Father Flynn was gay, but not a pedophile. He talked to the kid, about him (the kid) being gay, and how God made him who he was, and was trying to help him deal with that. The scandal back at his old church was not about him being inappropriate with a kid, but was about him having an affair with an adult male member of his parish. Thoughts?
Jan. 27, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST
Sound speculation, but that's all we can do is speculate, since the storytellers didn't include a difinitive explanation about his backstory. This movie is definitely one to provoke thought, and one of the few out that challenge the viewer to re-examine their assumptions. I'd give it a 7/10.
Feb. 4, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST
Anyone from there can go to hell.
Feb. 5, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST
Orcus sees all
Feb. 15, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST
to open. here in the UK/ireland. Itll bomb becuase In ireland we all too much about these types of things. Since the 1990s Irish media has been saturated with Church corruption. What stop all that blather. was a story which turned out to be completely false from someone who destroyed the life of a priest by claiming that this priest abused him. IT all ended up in court when this guy who said that the priest abused him admitted he was a pathological liar. when a priest abuses a young girl and the priest works for the state. you would think that the state would side with victim. but no. Louise O keefe has had her life destroyed. after the state last year threw out her case. and the state will seek its costs. and bishop john magee from cloyne is still in his job. makes me sick.
Feb. 18, 2009, 8:18 a.m. CST