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Henry Pym on STAR WARS EPISODE 2 and Coppola's MEGALOPOLIS
Hey folks Harry here. Alrighty, this spy, Henry Pym, might very well go from being
an ‘ant’ sized spy to a ‘giant’ spy over the coarse of the upcoming years. This is not the
first, nor the second time he’s written me. He started off a few months back, and I didn’t
print what he wrote because I needed to see it get confirmed first. Eventually it did. He’s
the real deal, so now you are going to formally get introduced to him. Everybody.... This
is Henry Pym, his wife Janet can’t be here today, she’s off shopping. Maybe next time.
Anyways, there are some spoilerish Episode 2 type things here. So if you are a purity
person. This is your invitation to click that there BACK button on your browser. As for
the rest of you. He’s also got a tidbit about Coppola’s MEGALOPOPLIS. Well, here’s
Dr Pym....
Okie. First, Byrne hasn't been casted yet. He's a favorite of Lucasfilm. His likeness
already
appears on some Lucasfilm's walls. Right Now, Byrne is a face who meets a character
imagined by
Lucas. Which One ? I can't tell for now, but Byrne is already part of SW universe even if
he
isn't awared of it. You see, it's not unusual for our Designing team to create future STar
Wars
characters based on existing actors. It happened mostly with Ben during E1 pre-prod,
when
Rufuss Sewell, Russell Crowe and Ralph Fiennes were all
candidates. To get an idea of what I mean, get your "Making Of Episode 1, The Phantom
Menace",
turn to page 28 and you will see a sketchy concept of Ralph Fiennes playing Obi-Wan.
Does it
mean that Ralpf Fiennes was a shoo-in for episode 1. Oh no. It's a little game played by
Lucasfilm's staffers and mandated by George Lucas himself. However, don't throw out the
possible casting of Byrne and Fiennes,although Crowe and Sewell's chances are pretty
slim.
Jar Jar you say, well, it appears that you will have to learn to live with him. He will be
involved, in some ways anyway. I for sure that in 1997, Jar Jar was supposed to appear in
all
three prequels and this was the master-plan. Nothing was about to change all this. As for
today, it's still the plan.
AS for the Casting of Fett (I started the hoopla about Byrne-Fett), well Lucas wants a
Young
actor. This young man isn't Byrne.
Little News.
1. The Most Important Character in the prequels is Darth Sidious, it's known that the
whole
story of the prequels is told from his point of view and not from Anakin's one, nor Ben's
one.
It may not be apparent now, but it is. Lucas said so. All this will lead to a pivotal moment
in
the sw universe. An event underestimated now. ( I'm trying to say, that this event isn't
Anakin's fall , the wedding or The birth of Luke and Leia). DS leads to DS.
2. Now, let me get you the real deal on whether or Not E1 was for child or wasn't. E1 was
and
E2 will be darker but still a ride for all ages. It's the plan. You will get a different feel
from it, mainly because Anakin will be older. However, I can't fool millions of SW fans,
E2
won't be the Holy Grail expected by some. It's not the plan. The plan for E2 is more about
Anakin trying to get the Woman of his dream, not to kill every living Jedi Knights alive.
When
Lucas says, it's a love story, he's telling you right in the eyes the basis of E2. The whole
Sith Lords kicking asses in the background plot is as much important as the whole Darth
Vader
kicking asses plot of The Empire Strikes Back. Not always shown, but always
understated. E3
will be the dandy for the For most of you. I can't tell everyone of ya to shut your
expectations down to the bottom, coz it's gonna rock anyway. Swallow the pill, it's gonna
be
sentimental, TITANICish by moments, it's a love story by George Lucas, with a war in the
background. E2 is anything like you imagine, all those speculations of yours are useless
because you don't know yet what Lucas meant by "Clone Wars". Another thing, wait until
to see
the number of planets shown in E2. The universe will be somehow different in this one,
we'll go
in places that we never been before and all this was done in purpose. E2 will be the logical
next step for E1, where E3 would have been a jump . In E2, you will visit the SW universe
from
within, through Amidala/Anakin's love story. Something never done yet in a Star Wars
movie.
The Boy who would be Anakin hasn't been chosen yet, however there's a fairly short list of names out
there.
Try to get it from another spy than me, I'm too close to the project. Auditions have been underway since well before
E1
releases in May. Is the man in the hot seat Leonardo DiCaprio ? I wish so, because I
think
he's a really talented actor but he's not a front-runner. The winner of this role will more than likely be basically unknown to fans and 18 to 20 years old.
BTW, I've heard about Coppola's "Megalopolis". From what I've been told, it's the story
of the
most richest man on earth (fictionnal), from his rise to his downfall. As for Godafather 4, 3
months ago, the rumour was very HOT, then it took dive. Puzo's death wasn't a factor,
neither
Leonardo DiCaprio. When I first heard about the rumour, Nicholas Cage was mentionned
as well.
Sorry, for my typewriting or lack of it. It's not my duty to write what I'm sending you.
spellings and grammars, sorry, I'm in a hurry.
Henry Pym
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Jar Jar in all 3? Awesome. Serves the whiners right. This sounds like everything a Star Wars fan loathes in a movie. Hopefully everyone will learn to live with it and understand IT'S JUST A MOVIE. But probably not. But what about the iMauls?
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What the heck does this mean? At first I thought it meant "Darth Sidious leads to Darth Sidious," but that doesn't make any sense. Perhaps it means Death Star??? Who knows? At any rate, the thought of a more pivotal event than Anakin's fall or the birth of Luke and Leia intrigues me. What have you got up your sleeve, Mr. Lucas???
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...or how 'bout Dark Side?
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There is, of course, no reason at all to believe anything I'm about to say- and it's flimsy enough that I almost doubt it myself- but I heard it from a guy, who heard it from a teacher, who heard it from a digital effects worker, etc., that Jar Jar is meant to be in all three prequels. He won't be as annoying as we was in Episode 1, supposedly; he's going to have something of a "hero's quest" character arc, so he's an outright hero by the end of Episode 3. He was the doofus of the first movie, but Lucas apparently wants us all to be inspired and amazed by our favorite Gungan by the end of the third.
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You call this news? Anyone with even a vague interest in the SW saga can figure this out already.
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I'm not kidding.
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I think Anakin will go over to the dark side by killig Jar Jar.
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Jul 14, 1999 1:41:11 AM CDT
The Craziest Theory You Have Ever Read: A Post of Epic Proporti
by boris bogie
Never let it be said that I never contributed any wild speculations to Talk Back. I have a theory regarding the "DS leads to DS" comment that has obsessed my conciousness ever since I read it. Now, I'm thinking it means, "Dark Side leads to Darth Sidious." What do I mean by this? I thought you would never ask! One nagging question I'm sure most Star Wars fans are wondering right now, is how can the Jedi not sense the threat of Palpatine? I mean, come on! He's a Sith Lord, with a great deal of sesativity in the Force! Why don't they feel that? My theory goes like this: Yes, the Jedi are accute to the Force, but only so far as it pertains to the good side. When Yoda said, "Hard to see the Dark Side is," he really meant it literally. For them, it is hard to locate and identify someone who is very well-trained in the Dark Side. In much the same way, a Sith Lord might not sense the Jedi all that well. It's sort of like the good and the bad cancel each other out. This would explain several things. First, it would explain why no one ever caught on to Palpatine. No need for a further explanation there. Second, it would explain why Vader could sense Luke on his way to Endor in Return of the Jedi, while the Emporer could not. This would also serve as another means of clueing the viewer in on the good that's still in Vader, and ultimately saves him. Vader couldn't have sensed Luke unless he still had a connection to the Light Side, right? So, what does all of this have to do with Episodes II and III? Simple, in order to find Sidious, the Jedi recruit their most powerful member, aka Anakin "the Chosen One" Skywalker to touch the Dark Side a bit to see if he can't sense Mr. Sidious and bring "balance to the force." Anakin discovers, "Hey, this Dark Side thing is really super! Yipee!!!!" and becomes Darth Vader. Hence, "DS leads to DS." Oh yeah, and then that whole extermination of the Jedi Knights thing happens.... Now, believe me, I think this may be one of the craziest ideas ever posted on this board, but I thought it was worth mentioning. Besides, I'll totally shit my pants if I find out that I was right... =)
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I'm one of the few people that didn't mind Jar Jar much if at all I guess. The first few lines he had grated my teeth but he really grew on me and made me laugh for the rest of the film. He sure didn't ruin TPM one bit for me. What I like about him is that I think Jar Jar represents the "childhood atmosphere" that is supposed to be reflected from Anakin's young age. But there is only ONE problem I have with Jar Jar and it's a biggie. What do you do with him? At the end of the movie, Jar Jar had fully redeemed himself to his Gun Gun folks and was welcome at home again. That should have been the end of the Jar Jar story, neat and simple. Why the heck DOES Jar Jar come back to be with our heroes and why would they want him around anyways? I just can't see how Jar Jar is going to be utilized well as a character in the next two films. I'd rather see the movies focus full on Anakin, Obi Wan, and Padme. Whether or not there is a "hero arc" for Jar Jar, well I guess it might be interesting to see a crusade for the Gun Guns, cuz I loved the Gun Guns. Especially Boss Nass and the Gun Gun warriors. But still, I have my doubts. Like I said, Jar Jar won his fight with the droids and his right to be at home with his Gun Gun people. That should be the end of his book. The reason Chewbacca worked in all three films was because he was tied to Han as a friend and sidekick. Likewise, Jar Jar is for all intents and purposes tied to his hometown where he won the right to stay again so how do you take a character away from that and make it work in a radically different environment than that of TPM? Well, this report still has me pumped and I still can't wait to see the next movie whether or not Jar Jar is in it.
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it's obvious. baby Greedo, Anakin's friend in EpII, is Fett. After Han Solo kills Greedo, who happens to be baby Greedo's brother, baby Greedo becomes Fett and hunts Solo down. oh yeah, and JarJar will become Lando Calrissian.
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I don't really care who is cast as who, and how epic everything is planned to be (though I do hope Jar Jar "accidently" gets deleted off ILM's computers) - the one thing that will save the next two films from the mediocrity of "Phantom" is if Lucas gets SOMEONE ELSE TO WRITE THE SCREENPLAYS. The first twenty minutes of Phantom has the worst dialogue since Edward D. Wood Jr departed this earth, but even Ed's had some campy appeal to it. Someone, anyone (eg Zaillian, Darabont, Kasdan) else.
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Well I think that if there were little Chickens in Star Wars it would have been a lot more fun. Nobody can defeat the chicken. CHICKEN IS GOD! That would of been the bomb, the chickens running around with little mexian drunk midgets trying to poke them with hot pokers and then giving them anal sex. That would of been the bomb. DRES RUles.
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These rumors are all quite intriguing and have gotten me to think about the next prequels as I was pretty much clueless as to the direction of where the flicks were heading aside from the more obvious points. As for Boris, he had my eyebrows up for a while there with his theory until he mentioned the Jedi somehow encouraging Anakin to "touch the Dark Side a bit". I don't know, definitely a stretch there as I don't see the Jedi condoning something like that. But, to Boris' credit, his point about the good side and the Dark side "cancelling" each other was really cool. It makes sense and his evidence is pretty good. As for Jar Jar, the critics are few but loud. I saw no problem with him (contrary to Toranaga's belief), I was concentrating too much on the Jedi and Anakin. Jar Jar was silly, so what, that only makes the Jedi seem that much more respectable and classier. His "hero's arc" is really interesting as well, I'd like to see how that one plays out. As for how our favorite Gun Gan will fit into the next flicks, remember, Amidala lives in Naboo, so I would hope that we see more of that planet, even if it means a little Jar Jar here and there.
And if it all sucks, then I second ZeThrow's idea and suggest we all ask for more CHICKENS in Epsiode 3.
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YES MORE CHICKENS AND MEXICANS GOD DAMNIT!!!
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In response to Flint2's post, he asks what do you do with Jar Jar? Here's a little bit of fan speculation, but this is what I would do. Make him Anakin's sidekick. Flint2 wrote, "Jar Jar represents the childhood atmosphere that is supposed to be reflected from Anakin's young age." Well, maybe if they become friends, they can both age together. Since we'll see an older Anakin, maybe we can see a more mature Jar Jar. Maybe becoming a war hero will boost his confidence, and rid him of his clumsiness. If I were writing the prequel sequels, I would make Anakin/Jar Jar a team a la Han/Chewey. One neat little scene is in Ep. 1, where Jar Jar is sitting outside Palpatine's room. Anakin grabs Jar Jar's hand and they walk off screen. It would seem perfect they become good friends, since they are both on the same maturity/intelligence level. On another note, how will R2 and 3PO figure into Ep. 2? I figure R2 will be hanging around Padme, or more likely Anakin. If Anankin continues piloting a fighter that requires an astromech droid (Z-95 headhunter anyone?), then he'll need R2 close behind. And it is a safe assumption that Anakin brings 3PO back from Tatooine. It seems odd that R2 and 3PO will probably be alongside Anakin, like they are alongside Luke in Ep. 4-6.
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I forgot to add this: if Jar Jar and Anakin become good buddies, it will be more tragic when Anakin turns to the dark side. I originally thought it would be an interesting plot twist if he kills Jar Jar. Jar Jar wouldn't be expecting it, and it would be sad to see our boy kill his best friend. The only bad thing, is that the audience would cheer at what should be a tragic moment. Lucas wouldn't want you all of you bandwagon-jumping Jar Jar-bashers to be happy for one minute. And I don't blame him...
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I dont abhor Dicaprio like most here do, but im sooo relieved that he is not a front runner for anakin ---im kinda rooting for an unknown...I HOpe leo dont play anakin...
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In episode 1, when Samuel L. said
"..unwravel the mystery of the sith" i was like WHOA WHAT IF THATS THE NAME OF EPISODE 2???
because arent they supposed to focus on how Senator/Emperor Palpatine is really Darth Sidious & stuff or will that not be until episode 3---& thats the big mystery of it because the senator know what goes on & Darth Sidious knows it toobecause they are same---then i realized that that would be a stupid name because "UNWRAVEL THE MYSTERY OF THE SITH" virtually means the same thing as "THE PHANTOM MENACE" & they alread used that title HAHA. -
Jul 14, 1999 4:15:33 AM CDT
THE FURTHER TRAINING OF OBI-WAN??? HERE IS SOMETHING I NEVER UND
by dreckhead7
...E2 OR E3...or maybe its a continuity error ....or maybe im a double krappin goon...but in EMPIRE, we are found out that YODA trained OBI-WAN. but in PHANTOM it shows us that QUI-GON was OBI-WAN's teacher. whats the deal...who trained obi-wan? was it YODA or QUI-GON?? maybe im missing something because im stupid...i dunno...& is Liam Neeson going to be in EPISODE 2, the same way Alec Guiness was in EMPIRE & JEDI, leading OBI-WAN &/or ANAKIN along...??????????
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I would say, the Yoda probably spent some time PRIOR to TPM training Obi Wan. He was attatched to Qui Gon as his padwah learner (or whatever) but that doesn't mean that his training began there. I sortof considered that to be the final stage of one's training, where you get out and about and observing the big boys in aciton. I mean look at his age. He's, let's say 20. Anakin is, like 10, and their saying he's too old. Qui Gon tells us they pick children as infants. So, all I'm saying is that there as plenty of time for Obi Wan to have a Yoda party before Qui Gon stepped on the scene.
Now If You can explain to me how Luke ws trained well enough to even momentarially face Vader after a few weeks (I mean, how long could it POSSIBLY have been) in Empire you'll have eanred the price of admission.
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My interpretation of Episode 1 was that Yoda had trained Obi Wan for the most part, and that once this training was finished he was paired off with Qui Gon as a sort of Jedi "work experience", which was what we saw in Ep 1 (though it has to be said the novel does seem to suggest that Obi Wan and Qui Gon had been together for some time, which might have been a screw up on Terry Brooks' part).
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From what I've read in one of the Star Wars books (Obiwan's early years), Obiwan is trained in a temple as a child by Yoda (along with other Jedi hopefulls). Through design or chance, Obiwan and Qui-Gon are thrown together and become partners. Qui-Gon is then Obiwan's "on the job" trainer/partner.
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I hoped Ep II would have been more like this cool fan script: http://members.tripod.com/~jeffvidov/StarWars-Episode2-Script.htm
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I don't have the making of Ep 1 but my guess that Gab Byrne will be Bail Organa. He has the right presecnce
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wasnt yoda a drunken mexican midget? look at the way he died, his speech all slurred. and i could swear i heard him mumble something about him and luke getting some senoritas.
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DS to DS .. Darth Sidious to Death Star. What else could it be?? The little spy guy said it was a pivitol moment in the SW Universe, but he said it wasn't Anakin's fall. Personally I think he's missing somethings like Sidious + Palpatine = Emperor. Add Vader = Death Star and Empire.
As for DiCaprio. Lucas should sign DiCaprio ... but not as Anakin!! DiCaprio should play some dirty bantha fodder working in the heat of Tatooine. He could play the scum who has to clean Jabba's toilet! And Kate Winslet could be Jabba's newest slave! Signing DiCapitate .. I mean DiCaprio and Winslet would be a 'Titanic' signing! :p -
I didn't mind Jar Jar in TPM. He fulfilled his purpose to the fullest, and then some. I'm sure the kids loved him, but he didn't do much for me.
Comic relief, period.
But why is George bringing him back for Episodes II and III? More comic relief?
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About the comment on the dark side being hard to see.....my impression way back when from reading ESB and seeing the movie was that Yoda had choosen Degobah to live on because the life forms and especially the "cave" were VERY much rooted in the dark side, and it helped him hide from vader and the emporer.
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Make it so Lucas!
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I've been thinking about this whole "Clone Wars" thing. Episode II is supposed to involve an army of Clones, and an army of Mandalorian Warriors, right? Well, maybe they're one and the same! The Mandalorians where similar armour, right? And clones look the same... Maybe it's a stretch, but it's something, I guess.
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Hey first off how many people think that Darth Sideus and Palpanetine are the same person? I personly don't think that they are it would be too obvious. Secondly I hope Leo is not Anakin. He is too weak hell Jake Llyod could kick hiss ass in a fight. Also Leo can't sword fight I saw the Man in the Iron Mask on a plane and it was horrible. All Leo did was Stick his sword out while the other actors worked around him. Now about Jar Jar i didn't think he was that bad but he would have been better had he had a purpose or if he had bonded with the characters.
I do have some predictions for the new episodes. One being that Boba Fett turns out to be Aunt Beru.
I also belive that when Lucas decides to do another special editon of episiode 4 ANH he will add a few scenes durring the battle of Yavin. One being that when vader is flying his tie Figheter he will say "Now this is pod racing"
and also "i know i will roll that is a good trick".
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Let's see...what things have the initials DS in the Star Wars universe...Darth Sidious, Death Star, Degobah System, Dark Side, Dumb Script, Dip Shit...Okay, I'm out of ideas. Any other DS combos?
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On Boris comments about 'good' jedi cancelling out 'bad' sith and the Emperor not knowing in Jedi that Luke was coming... The comics that are produced mention that the Emperor knew Luke was coming and was testing Vader. The comics are also run past Lucasfilm so they would have thrown it out if it was incorrect. Maybe they missed it or like most people, don't care about the comics. Shame, I thought Boris had a good idea. Although sometimes with SW, its best not to disect too much.
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It's the best way to keep him in the spotlight as Anakin chases some tail. You go, JEDI BOY. Hey, I'm all man.
By the way, maybe the DS to DS line refers to Darth Sidous' being immaculately conceived by the anti-midichlorians. He would essentially be the ultimate dark jedi, and his conquoring of the light side's chosen one would be his greatest accomplishment. On a grand scale it would be like the temptation of Christ. Satan (Sidious) would rather control than destroy the "MESSIAH." Seems sort of ridiculous, but so does all this midichlorian crap.
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I also have a rumor about Episode 2. I heard it while waiting in line at the Toys R US midnight opening on May 3rd a while back. The Mandalorians will wear BLUE ARMOR in Episode 2. If anyone can confirm or deny this, it would be a big help.
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Isn't it obvious people? Doc Sevrinson leads to Darth Sidious. I always knew there was something about that guy.
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No no no! The answer is Danielle Steele to David Spade. You are all retarded...it's so obvious!!! Danielle Steele is co-authoring the Ep2 script and David Spade will be playing the part of Darth Maul's dismembered legs. I can't wait. Anyway, it's better than Donald Sutherland to Daniel Stern, right?
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Dead Shmi? Daddy Skywalker? Darth (blank).....it could mean alot. Who knows? Maybe shmi will go to the dark side(giggle) and be called Darth Shmi(DS). :)
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Is any of this really "news" to anyone?
First we have to deal with Harry's lame ass reviews: "(Insert title in here) is so good, its better than my morning breakfast of steak filled doughnuts! (Insert random producer's name) has made a great film despite what those greedy bastards at (Insert studio name here)!"
Now we have to deal with scoops this bad!?? Recount a lot of the old details that were never "secret" in the first place, then add some vague, idiotic comment veiled as a new scoop. DS?! What the hell?
I think I'll give a scoop for the X-Men while I'm here. Now this is REAL secret folks, but ... Wolvie -- he, well, he's an angry hairy man, who has these razor sharp knives that come out of his hands!! X-Men leads to X2!!
Wondering what X2 is? I only said it to get the wheels spinning of all the fanboy's heads--because I abbreviated it, it'll take longer for you to realize it's nothing new.
Oh and by the way Darth Sidious and the Senator, the same person --ass!! How obvious can that be!?? Wasn't that rack focus at the end of TPM obvious enough?
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I hate all that cloak-and-dagger crap..."It is not my duty to tell you this?" "It is not the plan?" Come on....could we be a little more pretentious and abstruse? Guy works for Lucas, guy gets info, guy gossips info waay to early, guy gets his ass fired before ever being of any use to us (as in telling us who Anakin will be, the only piece of info I really want to know at this point). Pain in my ass....
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Actually, I think someone hit the nail on the head.
DS leads to DS.
Dead Shmi leads to Dark Side.
Good thinkin'.
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Dark Side. There's been quite a discussion on another board about how to romanticize the Anakin character, even though we know he becomes a mass murderer. So, I came up with this theory, and the "DS leads to DS" statement may support it. Palpatine/Sideous is a "gatekeeper" to the Dark Side able to control it and wield all of its power? He uses this influence to put a "spell" on Anakin, causing him to become warped mentally and physically to the point were the person he was is dead, leaving only Vader. Not until Luke begins to muck with the Emperor's "spell" a little in ESB and finally in ROTJ, does Vader finally begin see the truth. He finally becomes Anakin again by destroying the gatekeeper, severing his tie to the Dark Side. As long as Palpatine lived, he was able to hold Vader under his control. What do you guys think?
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That would be the only way I could stand to see a story arc about that repulsive Gungan. Maybe this time Lucas should consult someone besides his ass kissing friends when he writes the script. By the way, can we get a Wookie in it please? Quit writing characters just for the under 10 set, George!
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When did EP 2 become the greatest movie ever anticipated?
Right after EP 1, since it seems nobody liked EP 1 why are they wanting EP 2 so bad?
I am now NOT anticipating EP 2.
There are a ton of other movies that are going to be much better.
Lucas is no longer a dreamer, he is a stubborn old man who will listen to know one about his "vision".
Look at all the young crop of directors out there, Paul Thomas Anderson, Bryan Singer...etc.
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This whole thing over the DS to DS comment is way out of hand (not that I'm saying I don't have a few theories). The "hint" is way too little, way too soon. Episode II is still THREE YEARS AWAY! We don't even know who the friggin' characters are gonna be! DS could mean literally anything, until we have some solid info on EP2 (which my guess is gonna be called "Mystery of the Sith").
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The scoop says the event is underestimated which implies we all know about it. Therefore he must be saying Darth Sidious leads to Death Star. The event is the destruction of Alderaan. I'm sure we will see some of Alderaan in the next two movies and therefore it's destruction will seem more important later.
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Okay so I have been speculating about this for sometime but never had anything to back it up. Now I must come forward. How many times has Lucas come right out and given spoilers in a direct manner? Never. Therefore we must look at what he says and try to see 'around' his words. The "clone wars", Senator Palpatine, and Darth Sidious. Now everyone just assumed that Darth Sidious was El Jefe Palpatine but do we KNOW that? Absolutely not, and given Lucas' penchant for misdirection I started thinking about the connection. Also the books come to mind where Luke Skywalker must battle a clone of the emperor well after ROTJ. So finally...some speculation with supporting evidence. (I)the senator is a pawn of DS (II)the senator is a clone under DS control (III)DS/SENATOR clone themselves and continue their lifespan to become the eventual emperor etc.... well you get the idea. So what are the clone wars...a huge stuggle between good and evil almost definitely, but similar to master Yoda's teachings "a great warrior, wars not make one great" A huge struggle (my choice of words) does not necessarilly mean a big war with lots of people dying. It could be two people vying for control of the galaxy with huge implications. Like DS and the senator. Whatever...obviously this is just speculation, but the evidence supports it. Any thoughts or theories of your own. Love to hear them. Bye for now, Joker
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Even though he only had a couple lines in the Ep1, Darth Maul was a really kick-ass bad guy. I read a rumour at darkhorizons that audiences loved him so much that Lucas might bring him back for episode 2. How excactly would he do that when Maul is lying in two pieces at the bottom of some shaft? Well, the rumour states that because it is set during the clone wars, not only will there be a Darth Maul clone, but multiple clones, all with different color faces. I personally think that this is the cooles thing I have ever heard.
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Yes, it's 100% true--upon my third viewing of Episode I, I noticed that in the Galactic Senate scene, in the bottom left hand corner of one of the shots, it shows three aliens that look EXACTLY like E.T. the Extra Terrestrial. Now, I know this sounds like that "Indiana Jones in the Podrace audience" rumour, but I swear to God I saw it with my own two eyes. Watch the movie again, see for yourself.
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Responding to Dash's comments about Luke being well enough trained to face Vader, I think that this is an important observation. Given what we learn about the Jedi at the height of their glory, it's obvious that Luke is, at best, a "dabbler" in the Jedi arts. You could say that he has enough innate ability with the Force to compensate for the fact that he has only a couple of months of training, but I don't think so -- there was never any indication that he was anywhere near Anakin's level of Force-sensitivity. The more I think about it, the more Luke looks like a tool, used as a pawn by Yoda and Obi-Wan to either bring Anakin back from the dark side, or to somehow maniuplate him or the Emperor. In ROTJ, when Luke says to Yoda "Then I *am* a Jedi!", Yoda almost chokes from laughing. Yoda never says that Luke *is* a Jedi, he only says "already know that which you need." When it comes down to it, the victory Luke accomplished was the redemption of Anakin and the destruction of the Emperor (and the Sith?), and he accomplished this because he was Anakin's son, *not* because he was a Jedi. And if Luke failed, Yoda and Obi-Wan were prepared to use Leia to acheive the same goal. Giving Luke Jedi training was just enough to (a) get Vader's attention, and (b) get the Emperor's attention. Another thought along the same lines: when Anakin kills the Emperor and destroys the Sith (since Lucas has said there are only 2 Sith at a time), he really is bringing "balance"--by his hands, he has completely destroyed both the Jedi and the Sith. Yes, Luke continues calling himself a Jedi and indeed trains others as "Jedi", but the rich tradition of Jedi learning is almost completely gone. Luke can only pass on what he has learned, but what he has learned is only the barest hint of what the Jedi really were. In that sense, what happens in Episode VI really does seem more like the "REVENGE of the Jedi" and less like the "Return" of the Jedi.
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There are several interpretations of "DS to DS". You could list 'em of all day, but the one that rang a bell in my mind was "Darth Sidious to Death Star". He said it was an event that has gone underestimated until now. Well, how about the creation/design/construction of the galaxy's most powerfull weapon. Anyone? For all we know the damn thing could tap into the energy of the darkside or something (just a random thought).
For the Death Star to be operational in EP4 it's construction had to be started at least a decade prior. Anyway, even if that is not it; the Death Star must play some part in at least one of the prequels. Oh yes, one more observation: The story being told via Darth Sideous' POV. Well, who is the first major character seen in EP1?
And who is the last one focused on at the end? (right after the "master and apprentice" line). Anakin and friends were just the sub-plot running a touch and go parallel to the main political plot. ALl I have to say is that Lucas knows what he's doing and I don't think we'll be disappointed in 2002 & 2005. -
Ep.2 and 3 Plot developments:
First, we all know 2 is going to be a love story. We know it has to have some sort of warring conflict. We also know from the original trilogy that some "Clone Wars" have to happen in 2 or 3 since they are referred to in 4,5, and 6 and no one refers to wars that happened two or three wars ago. So here's a bunch of random thoughts. Please punch holes in the logic.
First, Darth Maul comes back as a clone (he's so merchandisable) and Timothy Zahn's trilogy has clones's names have an extra vowel syllable in their name, thus Darth Mau-u-l. Next, Sidious is Palpatine is Emperor. He is also (speculating) Anakin's father. I don't believe that "It just happened" bullsh*t from Shmi any more than the father of an irresponsible daughter. I'm sure Sidious's sperm is just full of Mitochlorians. Next comes the problem of Anakin's turn to the dark side. Obviously he leaves training early to save his mother and free all the slaves of Tatooine (foreshadowed in Ep 1). Somehow Shmi dies during this time and the whole fear for mother, fear leads to the darkside effect turns him to the darkside. Especially if it can be blamed on a good Jedi. The other possibility is that Obi-wan and Amidala are caught getting it on and it pisses off Anakin (hey their both jedi strong in the force, but I don't think GL would allow such a naughty affair in his movies).
On a side note, did anyone else notice that Bail Antilles was a candidate from Alderaan for Supreme Chancellor and this might be Wedge's father. Funny that Bail Organa and Bail Antilles have the same strange first name.
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Hmmm... let's see... Jar Jar is IN Episodes 1-3, but NOT in 4-6 (as we already know). That means-- something BAD might happen to him by the end of Episode 3. Something violent-- a grisly, bloody death, perhaps? Dismemberment at the hands of a horde of Mandalorian troops? Hey-- they found a way to get me interested in the next two episodes!!
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Henry Pym, you have a duty to be somewhat coherent when you write a review for AICN. Is English not your first language? This piece was excruciatingly painful
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we know this because 1) its obvious to anyone with iq of more than two digits. 2) goddamned mccallum said so! and he thought it was fairly obvious too. palpatine, sidious, the emperor, the phantom menace, all the same and he for one isnt a drunken mexican midget.
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I'm telling all of you here and now that Ralph Fiennes is going to play Tarkin.
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Please, regardless of whether the Senator is Sidious, don't use Lucas' "penchent for misdirection" as an argument. What misdirection? You mean like when he had Vader end Empire by saying, "Luke, I am your father." And everyone proceeded to spend the next year arguing over whether it was a trick or not. Only to have it a blatant statement of fact. Or perhaps when Yoday made reference to their being "another" and Lucas, with all his massive skills for cinematic subtilty, cut immediately to a shot of Princess Leia. The closest Lucas ever came to misdirection was having Leia kiss Luke and that was simply because George is a pervert, pedophile, and a fascist. My midichlorians are tingling.
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The ETs in the senate, there is also the pod from 2001 above watto,s shop on tattoine for a little bit, also anakin took the name darth vader, so why not palpatine take the name darth sidious, otherwise how could the old codger get into the sith and bring anakin into the fold, notice palpatine never leaves coruscant until the end, p.s. since AICN is now a bit more main stream how do we know that harry's spy wasn't sent by lucas to fuck with us and drum up support for the movie.
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Since I grew up on these films, I can't believe I'm saying this... I'M BOYCOTTING EPISODES 2 AND 3... if Jar Jar appears in them. Ever see a movie that you didn't care for, and the more you thought about it and heard about it, the more you absolutely hated it? That's how I felt about the Phantom Menace. I don't want to hate this entire trilogy the way I detest Phantom Menace. The fact that Jar Jar pretty much ruined the film is no big deal. Even though I looked forward to the film for about 15 years, it's still just a movie. What pisses me off most about that ridiculous character is that he's everywhere! Just about every fucking product on the market right now has some tie-in to Star Wars. You can't get through a single commercial break without some idiotic commercial that seems to promote the film instead of the product. And the commercials are horrible as well!! Have you SEEN those Lays Potato Chips and Pepsi commercials yet? I'm guessing that anyone over the age of 6 is supposed to gag when they see them. My basic problem with Jar Jar was that he single-handedly added a tone to the film of silliness. And with that, all the promotion for this film is nothing but silly. In all the anticipation for Episode I, we were hoping to see something cool, and in return we got something silly. With Jar Jar in the next two episodes, we'll just get more of the same. I don't feel like being disappointed again, so unless Lucas deletes the Gungan dufus, I won't be wasting my money on this one as well. By the way... on television dramas and sitcoms, don't the networks "get rid of" characters that appear to be getting negative responses from viewers?
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..here's another DS theory (The correct one) Darth Sidious (most of you got that) leads to Darth Shmi! Yes, Qui-Gon was obviously so obsessed with Anakin that he totally missed the force potential of his mother. Mr. Sidious didn't. He finds her train her to become a Sith and then sends her off in disguise to kill Anakin, knowing she will fail and Anakin ends up killing his mother which, ta-da, turns him over to the dark side. Another theory already proved to be true is Darth Sidious leads to them Dandy Stormtroopers.
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What McCallum said was that Ian McDiarmid played both roles. That does NOT mean that both characters are the same person.
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First off, thanks for the response, JChapa. What you said about Jar Jar becoming Anakin's friend-that WAS interesting. Now for decadentdave. All I can say is that I hope you are wrong about the clone wars being only about 9 minutes long. You have some valid concerns but I think that "a love story set to the backdrop of an epic war" means that every so often we'll be seeing large bits and chunks of the war and how it turns out. My guess is that in Ep2, the war will already have been going on for quite some time and we'll be seeing the 2 or so battles that end it in addition to Anakin and Padme falling in love. But dude, when you mentioned Kermit and Elmo "making cameos" in Ep2, holy cow I thought I was gonna die laughing!!!!=P I'm laughing right now imagining Kermit jumping around and flailing his arms in a little Jedi suit and Elmo yelling out orders in a little Captain Panaka suit. HAHAHAHAHA! I mean seriously, that would make a hilarious situation if not in a sick and demented way! HAHAHAHA! But dave, you gotta sit back and relax a bit. I'm a die hard Star wars fan and have my concerns like many others here, but try not to worry TOO much, otherwise you might miss out on a good time. The people who rant about Jar Jar really seem to have missed out on all the good parts of TPM. As for people speculating about Luke "not really being a Jedi," well HECK YEAH he was a Jedi! What do you mean "he didn't have enough training"? Luke was a Jedi in training ever since he stopped by for a friendly visit with R2 and C3PO at old Ben's house. Granted, he was cut off from Obi Wan early on but he still got plenty of Jedi tips from Obi when he was on "the other side" or whatever. Remember how he used the force to aim those torpedoes right into the Death Star shaft? Then Yoda *did* more or less complete Luke's training. I think Luke did *sort of* recieve at least nearly a full regiment of Jedi training and it only looks incomplete because the training was really scattered over all three movies. The fact that Luke was "the chosen one" and had intuitive or inner abilities already since he was the son of Anakin probably took care of the rest. Just my 2c there but Luke's training looks OK to me.
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In early drafts of ANH Deak Starkiller was an important character and maybe George wants to add him. Also I think that Fett's big role in Ep 2 is Palpatine's hired assasin to kill Amidala. Ani ends up saving his love, only to kill her in Episode 3
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It's obvious wat the event the guy was talking about that seems small but is really large....Palpatine becoming chancellor.
Anyway Episode 2 is going to rock....the clone wars will be incredible, the training of Aanakin willl be interesting, and the romance will at least make the characters have more human emotions. But we need a more cynical character like Han Solo to balance the Jedis, and Jar Jar being goofy just doesn't cut it. -
Why is it that everytime these talk backs occur, people start attacking each other? It is pathetic. Cut each other some slack.
I liked Episode 1, and know many other people who did as well. Would I have liked it to be darker? Sure! Did Jar Jar Annoy me? Yeah. Did I have a great time for 2 hours plus, and go back for repeated viewings? You better believe it!
George Lucas doesn't owe us anything. You make the choice to buy the merchandise and pay to see the movie.
If you naysayers hate it so much, why the hell are you lurking around these "talk backs" spewing negative bullshit? Go find a topic you have something positive to talk about, but stop attacking people. Despite this ridiculus Star Wars backlash, there are still legions of people who love the Star Wars movies, especially TPM! Don't expect these movies to meet what you have imagined they should be like. Make your own movies if you are so rigid. These are George Lucas` movies. Not yours. He's going to make them anyway he wants, and lots of us are going to enjoy them despite what you picky whiners say.
The mind that created TPM is a genius one. It is a cool story, with compelling characters, amazing visual scenes and effects, and it is entertaining.
I, for one, would be proud to have created such an amazing movie.
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I want to know if it's true that Gillian Anderson is going to play a Jedi in E2!!!!!!!
If it IS true, then could DS have something to do with......oh, I dunno....DANA SCULLY???!?!?!?!!
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May the clone wars are not a war about beings that have been cloned i.e. copies of each other, but maybe Clone formal name of a type of species, or a system of planets. Therefore the Clone was could be about a war involving this species of creatures, or this system of planets. And not necessarily about a war between clone copied species
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Senator Palpatine IS the Emperor, because the Emperor is Emperor Palpatine. If you have the box for the Emperor's action figure from the release of the Special Edition movies, take a lokk for yourself. On the front he's called Emperor Palpatine. Since this is true, Senator or Emperor Palpatine must be Darth Sidius (which explains the Emperor's powers) or Darth Sidius' brother or clone or twin. Also, Darth Sidius and Senator Palpatine have the same nose. It's all about the NOSE!!!
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I work at Lucasfilm and I read the script for E2. There are twenty Darth Maul clones that are different colors. Some are rainbow. Some are polka dot pink. One of the clone becomes a good guy and marries Queen Amidala. A fruity colored clone gets Anakin's girl this makes him turn to the dark side. E2 is called The Champions of The Force. Things to look for Boba Fett is going to fly the Millennium Falcon with his slave Chewbacca as a copilot. Those two guys who said they're Boba Fett in the movie really are in the movie but not as Boba Fett. They portray his redneck brother Buba Fett. I'm in the movie as Darth Maul Clone #3. Gillian Anderson is in it. As a special treat for all the X-Files fans that wanted to see Mulder and Scully get it on, David Duchovny is in it as the Anderson female Jedi's love interest. Production began last August and Ep III actually starts filmimg this year. Gabriel Byrne has been cast as Anakin. I think he's too old but CGI will take of that. He'll look like he's 20 when ILM is done. It's gonna be a great movie. And to all the people who hate the Phantom Menace, I'll see you at you local theaters opening day in 2002. You can then be "real fans" and say how much you hate this movie too. Hope the real fans enjoy the next two.
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Another theory on the Clones being the Mandalorian thing (as addressed in one of my previous posts). Different rumours say that the Mandalorians (whom I think serve as the "Clone Army" of the Clone Wars) all wear blue and white armour. There was even a picture of a blue and white Mandalorian on an issue of Cinescape magazine. Notice that Boba Fett has different colors? Maybe Boba Fett grows a conciousness, paints his armour his own way, and goes renegade. Or maybe I'm just the stupidest man on Earth.
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My speculation is that the critical event to push Jake to the Dark Side will be the death of chicola Natalie. I'll admit not to know enough about the Organa/Hamill/Fisher connection, though Fisher could be an adopted female Moses.
Palpatine is Sidious, though EP1 is filmed as though this mystery were not revealed by little action figure spies decades ago. Nice touch Jorge. The Ian McDiarmid begets Jake Lloyd scenario has occurred to me and agrees. As for the Good blind to Dark idea, for the answer recall who utters "There is another." And who doesn't. Any precedence in myth?
Are the Jedi certainly killed during the "Clone Wars?" Or could the wars be background to the real action (silent Jedi massacre?) as the "Trade Dispute" to EP1?
The space between Empire and Revenge expands and contracts, plenty of time for Luke to build ability. Between live and haunted Jedi trainers, how many do you need?
And DS? Doggie style, pure and simple. DS leads to DS. Though I also like the sound of Def Star for no apparent reason.
So who puts Jake in the wood chipper? Arms and legs don't just fall off. Later they say James Earl Jones killed Jake Lloyd, but I doubt he put himself in the chipper. You know Ahmed Best didn't. Ewan/Alec? Frank Oz in a burst of muppet acrobatics? I'd pay to see that.
What is "Balance" to the Force? One philosophy of balance in nature is to see both good and evil as one. In such a state there is no need to take sides. And yet from EP1 to EP6 there must be sides.
Until Hamill brings balance to the Force and there are two again, master and apprentice. What would happen to seek this goal by force or intent rather than nature? I speculate it involves a wood chipper.
I am Gus Schultz.
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Byrne should be a young Tarkin originally played the late Peter Cushing. He has the accent and is very close in his facial structure. As for Darth Sideous and Palpatine; I believe that they are and yet are not the same person. I am not aware of any story dealing with the "Clone War" that is considered cannon. My belief is that Palpatine is a clone of Sideous. With the intoduction of the Midi-Chlorians it would explain how he can stand at Qui-Gons' funeral with the entire jedi counsel and go undetected. Because the Midi-Chlorians are a seperate entity they wouldn't necessarily be replicated if you cloned a force sensitive individual. As for his force powers in the original trilogy; if the Light Side is being intune with the natural order of the universe then the Dark Side would be about corrupting of subverting the natural order. A dying Darth Sideous, subverting the natural order, could transfer his essence and midi-Chlorians into his clone as a way of cheating his death. Well, just my thoughts.
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The Clone War is without a doubt a real "war". Bail Organa appoints Obi Wan a general to fight in the war. Anakin Skywalker is an ace pilot and a hero of the war. In Episode IV, A New Hope, there are frequent references to the Clone Wars. In these contexts, they are reffered to as actual Wars.
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Amidala cannot die during the Prequels. remember the scene on the walkway at the Endor village? Luke asks Leia to tell him about her (and his) mother.She says she remembers images and emotions,and that she died while Lea was still young. This means that if Vader (or any other Sidous lackey) killed Amidala,they would know about Leia,and it wouldnt have been a surprise to Vader ("So you have a twin sister? now your thoughts have betrayed her too....".And as far as the "who is a real fan" debate goes,I liked the original three,even ROTJ,though I do admit that I thought Lucas shoulda went with the original idea of "planet of the Wookies".Jar Jar is irritating at first... but he grows on you. third time I saw it,with my 12 year old cousin,I understood why he was their,and his appeal. Just my two cents... thus spaketh Hikaru.
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This is for whoever posted earlier and said it was strange that Bail Organa and Bail Antilles both had the same first name. I believe the name Bail is just a title, like King or President, it's not an actual name. Since we're on the subject of the name Antilles, remember in ANH when C3P0 says something about their former master being Captain Antilles? From everything I've always read, this was not Wedge, it was some other Antilles. So I'm wondering, are we gonna see this? And how is Lucas gonna get himself out of the corner he painted himself into involving the droids? Just wondering....
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greetings allow me to introduce myself. i am darth mike jedi master and first time writer. i wanted to comment on the yoda trining obi thing... obi wan said the yoda instructed him not necesarilly meaning training after all yoda instructs everyone!!~word out
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I agree with what theopolus and Frank Black have to say about the hostility against Star Wars and TPM these. There's just WAY too much of it. It's one thing to say that you don't like Jar Jar but quite another to say you hated him so much that he TOTALLY ruined TPM for you. I agree with what someone else said about how they always loved RoTJ and when they landed in internetville they hear that it was the spawn of the devil. You took the words right out of my mouth. Same thing here. I always loved RoTJ. I LOVED the Ewoks beating the crap out of the AT ST forces on Endor. That scene was funny AND action packed all at the same time. Then I hit the web and the purists say Ewoks aren't entertaining. When I was watching TPM when Obi Wan, Qui Gon, and Darth Maul were dueling was I thinking:
A)Man I wish George had chosen a better idea for a sidekick than Jar Jar.
or
B)This is the best lightsaber battle I've ever seen in a Star Wars movie!
Try B. I'm a Babylon 5 fan. Ever seen the character Capt. Lockley? She was added to Babylon 5 for its final season. She's very grating, cranky and annoying (and played by Tracy Scoggins). But did she ruin my enjoyment of the STORY and other CHARACTERS that were in Babylon 5's final season? No. Likewise Jar Jar shouldn't ruin all of TPM's additional characters and story. I agree that it's questionable right now as to how GL will be able to use Jar Jar in the next 2 movies but some of you are taking this one little issue to the extreme (like the Ewoks) and ruining any possible enjoyment you might have of TPM and 2 and 3 in the process. Ah well, just my 2c I suppose. -
Ok,all of you pathetic Jar Jar hatin' jerks, listen up! You all need to realize something, Star Wars is GEORGE LUCAS' Baby, NOT yours! You can whine and complain ALL you want about TPM and Jar Jar, but it won't do you any good. I Have an Idea! Instead of sitting around and whimpering like a bunch of small children who can't get their way (Because in essence, that is all you really are)why don't you go out and try to make a multi-generational, multi million dollar fairy tale and see how difficult it is. So STOP all of this pathetic CRY-BABY NONSENSE!!!
It is sickening and irritating to those of us who are TRUE Star wars fans! So if you are offended by what I have written, well too freaking BAD. So Let us stop acting like children and just enjoy a movie! Movies can't always be catered to an audience. It's an Art-Form! Let an Artist be an Artist or you will discourage them and they wont make any more art for the rest of us to appreciate.
About Jar Jar being in the Later 2 episodes, and about people not wanting it, your not thinking! Characters can actually, get this, . . .DEVELOPE! It's 10 years later for crying out loud! Remember luke from episode4? He was a whiner! Check out episode6, he's a daring jedi knight, facing the embodiment of evil. Characters CHANGE! Give Lucas a chance, . . .after 17 years of waiting for a new STAR WARS movie, he certainly deserves MANY! -
I hated Jar Jar Stinks (no typo), though I must admit he was slightly less annoying the second time around. But we can't dismiss him out of hand. Two scenarios, if you please. Anger, fear . . . these things lead to the Dark Side. What about deceit? Remember, Vader was trying to turn Luke in ESB. What better way than to lie to him about the one thing he never had--his father. Vader is not Luke's father, but to turn the boy, it is necessary for him to believe it so. Who then is his father? Why, Jar Jar, of course! The amphibian genes are, mercifully, extremely recessive, but his lineage is amply demonstrated in Luke's clumsiness and stupidity throughout his three episodes. Blood will tell. Or, let's refine this a bit. Anakin has the hots for Amidala, but Amidala has a fondness Jar Jar, who is a member of the diplomatic delegation from the Gungans to the court at Theed (this is a logical way of having him in the second and third films). Now Lucas has said that he's making these movies for kids, so what better tie in to a fairy tale than having Amidala playfully and affectionately kiss Jar Jar who in a puff of CGI smoke turns into a bombad handsome prince, with whom Amidala falls passionately in love (title for Episode 2: Amidala in Love--hey, it worked for Shakespeare). They marry and have the two little tadpoles, Luke and Leia. But wait a minute! What about her other suitor? What about Anakin? If you were rejected by your first love (after your mother, of course) for a frog and him not even Kermit, wouldn't you be ripe for Darth Sidious and the intention of using the Dark side to destroy not only your rival but also his progeny and all he holds dear? It's all so simple and clear and if Lucas should read this and want to sue because I've stolen his ideas, I can't be held liable because my mind works on a simplistic level. Or, maybe I've just visited Weird Al's website too often.
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My toughts?The senator and Darth
Sidious are same person.Are they
clones??Probably not.A interesting
rumour I heard concerns Darth Maul
and whether he might already have
been a clone in episode 1!!Someone
noticed also that he wears what I
believe is a bracelet that is too
similar to one that Anakins',hint!
mother wears also.Hmmm.It has been
confirmed that the actress who was
Anakin's mother,will be back for
episode two and posssibly three as
well.Ian McCaig was recently(?)in
a interview when someone asked if
it was true that he was trying to
convince Lucas to bring back Darth
Maul in the next film.He laughed,
mentioned he can't talk about the
mother of ALL x-mas presents,and
pleaded the fifth.Notice here.He
never denied the rumour.Hmmm??????
Some have speculated as to how the
Jedi could have been wiped out by
Darth Sidious and ANY of his side-
kicks.I believe that events like
the clone wars are..calculated by
Sidious so that he further weakens
the Jedi,so that they are so much
easier to be exterminated in No.3.
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Thanks, Locar. I was just about to ask: Who is Bail Antilles? Does anyone know? As a "little action figure spy" from way back I feel like I should, but maybe it's just the familiarity of the names Bail (Organa) and (Wedge) Antilles. My main problem with Jar Jar: I believe he was (to distracting effect) included in some scenes simply to increase TPM's famously high CGI shot count. Why, oh why, else would Qui-Gon have taken him into Mos Espa, for example? I fear Jar Jar's involvement in ep 2 & 3 will be even more gratuitous. But Jar Jar really didn't bother me much, I was too busy enjoying what I came for: watching fabulous, fully-trained jedi weilding sabres! If those nine minutes of the Clone Wars in ep 2 are as fantastic as the duel in ep 1 save me a seat for at least three viewings. And I must say, if this movie has Ewan McGregor, Gabriel Byrne and Ralph Fiennes in it, I don't CARE who plays Anakin!!! I don't know about you guys, but if I ever saw those three men on the screen at the same time, well, let's just say all sort of unmentionably delicious things would happen. MMMMMMmmmmmmmmm.....
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I forgot this interesting tid-bit.
I REMEMBER reading a little while
ago somewhere,it was slipped out
that a planet we never heard of in
the first trilogy BUT see in the
new movies gets desrtoyed at some
point.Sounds like Naboo.Explains
why no Jar Jar in the future and
makes sense when you think of how
Darth Sidious lost his apprentice,
Darth Maul to Gui-Gon AND Obi-Wan,
and how the two races joined their
forces to beat the federation.I
have the nagging feeling that old
Sidious never forgot that little
disgrace.
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Immaculate conception? Fat chance. He is a creation by DS and the agents of the dark side to make the ultimate dark side warrior. Darth Maul version 2. Hence all the midichlorians and such. A thought, anyway.
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Jar Jar! Think about it, folks -- Lucas has said it's somebody who's already in EP1. Kister would be too obvious, the whole Slave One thing. Jar Jar = Clumsy. Boba Fett = Clumsy, look how badly he died in ROTJ.
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You know, when I think about it, has Lucas ever really said anything about the Clone Wars? As far as I know, it was only mentioned once in the Episode IV. Lucas has never really given us any information on it, including when and if we're going to see it in the prequels. Don't get me wrong, I do think we will see them, because that would be a major continuity error if there were no Clone Wars. All I'm saying is that until we know more, all this speculation might as well be considered garbage. We don't have anything to work with other than our imaginations and our broad understanding of what's going to happen in the next two films. Hell, the war might not even happen in Episdoe II. It might be in Episode III! So, you ask, what will the conflict be in II? Don't ask me, I just work here.
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1) To all those who think GL shouldn't be allowed to create his own goddamn movies, I remind you - If it wasn't for him, there wouldn't be any Star Wars movies for you "true fans" to bitch and moan about.
2) For everybody who complains about Darth Maul's lack of screen time - Boba Fett had all of 10 minutes and three lines, IN TWO MOVIES, and all you fanboys practically orgasm when you mention his name.
3) While the "Palpatine is Anakin's father" idea is intriguing, I don't think it will happen. GL said in the interview with Bill Moyers that the whole series is about how a kind and loving boy is turned to evil and EP IV-VI shows how is is turned back to that kind and loving person. I don't think Anakin being some genetically created uber-Sith would be keeping with GL's ideas.
4) I think one of the incidents that will transform Anakin will be Shmi's death, and Palpatine will orchestrate the whole thing. But there could be other things that could contribute to pushing him over the edge as well.
5) I think that the Clone Wars will greatly deplete the ranks of the Jedi, thus making it much easier for Palpatine and Vader to hunt down the remaining Jedis.
And finally, I thought we could take an informal poll. Which do you hate more, JarJar or the Ewoks? I'm really interested in seeing how that shapes up! -
For those that mention that Amidala must die in the prequels - Look at both RoTJ and one of the 'sequel' books (Centerpoint series?)-Leia knew her birth mother until a young age. And ALL the books and comics have to pass by upper LucasFilm levels before going to print. #1 rule was - keep the pre-movie references to a minimum. As for Luke not being a Jedi, my memory recalls that Yoda says that Luke will be a Jedi after he kills his father. In addition, those that read the books & comics can easily see that although Luke is a *Knight*, he knows he has a lot to learn, and that he will be learning right along with any students he gets. I mean, he turns to the Dark side, thinking that to know your enemy is to be able to defeat them.
As for the next episodes, I think we ALL need to just cool off for about a year - then I will believe in more of what's flying around. The only thing I think it's safe to assume is that Palpatine IS Darth Sidious (given the actor being same, the voice=same as RoTJ), and that Shmi's death probably assists, if not does the turning of Anakin to the Dark Side. And for those of you who F--- this and F--- that, you really aren't getting your point across - just your limited vocabulary & typing skills. -
This is what we know thanks to GL and Timothy Zahn as regards to Clone Wars and such:
Bail Organa was the "king" of Alderaan after the clone wars with Amidala and Leia
General Kenobi was selected by BG to help fight in the clone wars.
Clone War_s_ happened with the use of CLONES, beings duplicated from other beings read Zahn's first trilogy of post-ROTJ stuff, there were machines that created clones.
Capt Antilles of Alderaan owned C-3PO and R2D2 before they were on the Alderaanian diplomatic mission with Leia and happened to fall into the new adventure.
Anakin becomes Darth Vader, Anakin is Luke and Leia's father, Leia lived with her birth mother on Alderaan. This all points to Amidala being the mother, but who knows for sure without seeing Ani and Ami do the hippity-dippity.
People in ANH didn't seem particularly pissed at the empire which tells me that before the resistance, people weren't too upset with Emperor Palpatine. I think Palp is going to be a very popular and effective Chanc for the ten year pause before Ep.2. If the Chanc is so popular, in a crisis (clone wars) where the Republic is threatened militarily by one of its member planets and the Jedi are weakened, they might accept an all-powerful emperor (benevolent dictator/man on a white horse political figure). Palp must also wait for Ani to be ready, but not totally trained in order to turn him. Palp must be Ani's father b/c Vader uses same argument to draw in Luke "we will rule the empire as father and son"
Finally, thanks to Locar and Dark Penguin for such good posts. Locar, I don't think Bail is a title, it may just be like "John" and be very common. -
Me and my brother were leaving TPM the other day and were debating what the hell the difference was between OB1 and Ben as a name. Sure it could be some Jedi thing like getting the name Darth, but we thought it was kinda funny how he has a brother Owen and his name is OB1, say it aloud people....O-1 and OB-1. Just thought it was cool. Anyways i think it would be cool to see Ol ben get cloned or something and has to duel himself or something. Anyways onto my real cool stuff. I think we have seen Fett. If you notice in the original trilogy, Fett and Vader talk to eachother almost as equals, like neither is affraid of the other, like they may have had some link together in the past. Remember what Vader was a long time ago when he went by the name "Ani"? He was a slave, and what is the name of Fetts ship? Slave One. Remember how Ani only had one real friend that was with him on Tatooine, his name was Kister or something like that. That dark complected kid that was always with him and had hardly any dialogue. Anyways, its my theory that he is Fett. He was a slave, he grew up with Anakin/Vader, and just imagine how if Ani goes and frees his slaves, this guy will be Anakins age and might have more of a part in the film in helping Anakin with the slaves or whatever. Also notice anything funny about the battle tanks the battle droids used? Look like a familiar ship to anyone? The battle tanks look almost identical to Slave One. So maybe Kister gets ahold of some ol federation equipment when hes hanging around Anakin and he revamps a battle tank to be a ship since he may have been good at that kinda stuff being grown up around all the racers and stuff. Just some stuff i thought was cool to think about.
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Sorry, but I don't give any credibility to this bullshit report. First of all lose the grammar and spelling mistakes. And don't give me this "I was in a hurry" bullshit... if you have time to go on and on with your fucking longwinded-ass E2 *speculation*, you have time to run spell check, OK?
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Now, Id be the first one to say that the books in the SW world are awesome. There's just one thing though...all of the authors keep saying that, while GL has a say in what they write, they are not telling the story that GL wanted to tell. ie, the SW story in GL's mind could be completely different than the one that has been created for all of us hungry fanatics. Several of you made references to the books and the comics, but no one knows exactly how true they are to GL's ultimate dream. In the books, Boba Fett was a man named Jaster Mereel who was the epitomy of anti-social. He was exiled from the world of Concord Dawn and was an extremely homely looking human. (Tales of the Bounty Hunters, edited by Kevin J. Anderson) But then, the books also say that Fett didn't die in the Sarlacc's belly, but escaped. Well, just some things to think about...then again, I did hear the name Concord Dawn on some rumor-spoiler earlier this week.
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THEY ARE CLONES you dorks. There is two of them. Duh they did it in the comic books. That way the dude can live forever and always come back and MENACE everyone.
I bet MAUL or a clone of him is in the next one.
Boba Fett is probably going to be one soldier they key in on from the Mandolorians plus that orange chick is going to be in the movie more because she is upset because she is tracking down the JEDI. Everybody check out the new star wars comic OUTLANDER it takes up right after ep1. -
Folks, It's Naboo. Palpatine/Sidious is from Naboo. It would be logical that he continue to use his home to further the growth of his empire. He's not going to base his operations on Coruscant, as that is where the republic is based. He needs a place separate from the Republic where he can start his climb. That place is Naboo. They've already told us it figures in part 2. And of course, that means Gungans. And who better as an ambassador to the Naboo court than a clumsy Gungan who is on the Queen's good side? Jar squared is going to be important, and probably should have something to do with saving the Gungans from the Empire at some point.
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Episode II (and maybe part of III) should be focusing on the clone wars. would it make sense that the clones in the "clone wars" were actually stormtroopers? i mean, leia told luke in Ep IV that he looked too short to be a storm trooper. wouldn't that insinuate that all troopers are the same height, and maybe clones?
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Hey,
Since when did everyone find out that the Mandalorians are gonna be in episode 2? According to most sources the Mandalorian race was wiped out a long time before the series started and Boba Fett just happened to come across the armor (and wasn't himself a Mandalorian). Also, according to the SW:CCG which has advisors in LucasFilms and all the lore has to be deemed true before it's printed says that Boba Fett is a human(oid) male. Also, with the whole "Luke isn't a jedi thing" you're forgetting about all the time he had to work on his powers in between the movies. Also, he never really did kill his father.... -
Harry it is now your job to milk this guy for all he is worth.
And the cool thing about this guy is he seems secure enough to feed us stuff little by little for the next years. COOL!!! -
Sep 12, 1999 2:03:10 PM CDT
STUFF FROM MY BROTHER WHO WORKED AS A GRAPHIC ARTIST ON EP1....
by capt_n_scooby
you guys should go out and smell the flowers...there is no reason to be so upsest w/ a movie
I like SW, but learn to be patient and get your mind off the subject of SW2 for awhile -
Alright first off, I will have to tell you of an experience I had when I watched Star Wars with a Japanese person. Now we all know George Lucas was inspired by the Kurosawa films and all but this is exactly what gets so many Japanese people so excited about Star Wars. Just because George Lucas like the Japanese culture and used the term "Jedi" based on the Japanese term "Jedai-Geki" for the term of elite samurai or Japanese warrior and because the "Jedai-Geki" followed the Bushido code which is similar to the Jedi code, they (Japanese people) believe Star Wars is something that completely originated from the Japanese culture. First off, when I watched The Phantom Menace with my Japanese buddy (Mr. Namba) I simply commented that Obi-Wan is a badass. All I said was, "Damn, he's a bad-ass, going in a fight as a Padawan against a Sith and not caring about getting killed." Mr. Namba immediately said, "You think he's a bad-ass huh? You like his pony-tail?" I said, "Yeah that too, but I just like how he just goes into every situation with determination. Remember how he said to Captain Panaka 'I'll deal with that.' Damn, that just showed how he was a badass." Mr. Namba continued, "Yeah but you like his pony tail eh? You know, that's Japanese." ALRIGHT RIGHT THERE AND THEN I SHUT THE DAMN VCR OFF AND I LOOKED AT MY BUDDY IN HIS FACE AND JUST LOOKED AT HIM LIKE HE WAS BEING A JACKASS. There I was trying to enjoy my movie and this guy tries to imprint the image of Japanese culture on Obi-Wan Kenobi, who may perhaps be the best representation for everything that Star Wars stood for. I was furious cos all I knew was that I was watching my movie, and all of a sudden, this egocentrical person steps in to talk about his culture like it was the best. ALRIGHT FIRST OF ALL, EVERYTHING THAT THE JAPANESE CULTURE HAS DEVELOPED HAD ITS INITIAL TIES TO CHINA. WHERE DO U THINK THEY GOT THEIR LANGUAGE LITERATURE, ART, CLOTHES, EVERYTHING EXCEPT THEIR TASTE FOR RAW FOOD. SECOND, DO NOT ALL JEDI'S USE STRAIGHT SWORDS? WAS THERE EVER ONCE, A JEDI THAT USED A CURVED LOOKING LIGHTSABER OR A KATANA. NOOOO! ALL JEDI'S SWORDS ARE STRAIGHT AND THAT DETERMINES THEIR ACCURACY, SWING, BLOCKING TECHNIQUES, ETC. HAD A JEDI'S LIGHTSABER BEEN CURVED AS IS CHARACTERISTIC OF ALL SAMURAI SWORDS, WUT U SEE IN THE MOVIE WOULD NOT BE THE SAME IN TERMS OF THEIR ACCURACY, SWING, BLOCKING TECHNIQUES, ETC. THIRD, OBI-WAN KENOBI'S HAIR STYLE INCLUDING ITS PONY-TAIL IS DEFINITELY NOT JAPANESE IN NATURE. SURE THERE ARE SUCH THINGS CALLED SAMURAI PONY TAILS AND U CAN ALWAYS CATCH A GLIMPSE OF THEM ON THE SAMURAI'S FEATURED IN KUROSAWA'S FILMS AS WELL AS OLD JAPANESE SAMURAI FILMS THAT FEATURE ZATOICHI: THE BLIND MASSEUSE THAT SAVES THE DAY. BUT U GOTTA BE MORE CAREFUL TO SEE THAT IT IS STILL NOT THE SAME AS OBI-WAN'S. SAMURAI PONY TAILS ARE ALWAYS STICKING STRAIGHT OUT OF A SAMURAI'S HEAD BECAUSE IT IS BUNDLED TOO TIGHTLY AND IT COMES OUT AS A TUFT OF HAIR DIVERGING IN NUMEROUS DIRECTIONS. PLAY "TENCHU" THE PLAYSTATION GAME USING THE GIRL AND YOU WILL KNOW WUT I MEAN. OR IT'S ALWAYS TOO SHORT AND TOO HIGH UP IN THE CRANIAL AREA SO IT MAKES A SAMURAI LOOK LIKE A GORILLA THAT HAS A SAGGITARRIAL CREST RATHER THAN A BADASS. OR IF YOU LOOK AT "GOLDENBOY" A JAPANESE ANIME, YOU WILL SEE THAT GOLDENBOY HAS A PONYTAIL THAT IS FAIRLY LONG BUT RIGHT SMACK DOWN AT THE PLACE WHERE THE NECK IS SO THAT FROM BEHIND, GOLDEN BOY LOOKS LIKE HE HAS A CUTE LITTLE SQUIRREL ON HIS HEAD. SOMETIMES A SAMURAI SHAVES HIS HEAD AND THEN LEAVES A PONY-TAIL BUT THEN IT GIVES A DUMBASS EFFECT LIKE "PRINCE XIZOR" FROM THE CHRONICLES OF STAR WARS: SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE. FINALLY, THERE IS THE MATTER OF ATTIRE. JEDI'S WEAR A FLOWING ROBE WITH LONG WIDE SLEEVES. IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS MOVIES THAT INVOLVE STRAIGHT SWORDS, A GOOD ONE WOULD BE "THE DUEL", YOU WILL ACTUALLY SEE THAT OBI-WAN LOOKS ENTIRELY LIKE A CHARACTER OR WARRIOR THAT COULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE ANCIENT SOCIETY THAT ONCE DOMINATED CHINA. So let me recap, 1) Japanese people copy Chinese people 2) Lightsabers are straight like the antique straight swords that can be found in China and are not curved 3) The Japanese pony tail that Mr. Namba refered to probably looked like crap (cos it was basically bad imitation off of the Chinese) and comparable to Prince Xizor's pony tail while 4) During the times of ancient China, Chinese warriors dressed in the same exact fashion as Obi-Wan Kenobi did and 5) fashioned their hair style including their pony-tail in the exact , shape, length, and location as Obi-Wan Kenobi did. ALL THAT REMAINS FOLKS IS THAT JEDIS STILL HAVE TO BE CALLED JEDIS SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS FOR THE SAKE OF CONTINUITY EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE BASICALLY CHINESE IN NATURE AND OBI-WAN KENOBI WHILE I DO ADMIT SOUNDS A BIT LIKE JAPANESE HAS TO REMAIN THAT WAY FOR CONTINUITY EVEN THOUGH HE IS CHINESE. OOPS I FORGOT TO MENTION ABOUT FORCE OR IN CHINESE TERMS "CHI-KUNG" AND BELIEVE ME THAT WHOLE ORDEAL WITH QUI-GON JINN TAKING ON ONLY ONE APPRENTICE, THAT'S FROM AN ANCIENT CHINESE PHILOSOPHY THAT IF YOU HAVE MORE, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO TEACH THEM FULLY SINCE YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO CONCENTRATE YOUR FULLEST EFFORTS ON ONE PADAWAN AND THEN ANOTHER WHICH IS NOT EFFICIENT AT ALL AND MAY CAUSE JEALOUSY AS YOU HAVE SEEN IN OBI-WAN'S EYES AS WELL AS ANAKIN'S. HOWEVER, SITH IS DIFFERENT. BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE VIOLENT IN NATURE AND HAVE ALREADY DEVOTED THEMSELVES TO THE DARK SIDE, THE JEALOUS APPRENTICES WOULD SIMPLY DUEL TO THE DEATH AND THAT IS WHY THE RULE CAME ABOUT, "NO MORE, NO LESS, A MASTER AND AN APPRENTICE." FURTHERMORE, I BELIEVE GEORGE LUCAS IN HIS EARLIER YEARS, CLEARLY, I REPEAR, CLEARLY WAS JAPANESE WASHED. HAVE U EVER HEARD OF POKEMON? A BETTER QUESTION WOULD BE WHO HASN'T HEARD OF POKEMON. OK. THERE U GO, THE JAPANESE HAVE A WAY WITH JAPANESE-WASHING PEOPLE'S MINDS. ALSO, WHY DO YOU THINK HE HIRED A CHINESE PERSON TO CREATE THE PRE-PRODUCTION PAINTINGS USED TO DIRECT THE LOOK OF THE MOVIE BEFORE IT WAS EVER SHOT? DOUG CHIANG NOT ONLY PAINTED 1000 PAINTINGS FOR THE PRODUCTION OF EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE ( A WHOPPING 33% OUT OF THE PAINTINGS TOTAL CREATED BY THE ART DEPARTMENT) BUT HE EVEN HEADED THE ART DEPARTMENT ENTIRELY AND EXACTLY FOR THE MATTER OF NEWLY RECONSTRUCTING THE LOOK OF STAR WARS. WITH ALL THOSE JAPANESE ANIMATORS OUT THERE WHY DOESN'T HE JUST HIRE SOME OF THEM? DOESN'T HE WANT A JAPANESE LOOK FOR HIS STAR WARS FILMS? CLEARLY, GEORGE LUCAS IS NOT STUPID AND CLEARLY HE IS NOT JAPANESE WASHED ANYMORE WHICH IS WHY HE HIRED A CHINESE ART DIRECTOR. THIS IS ALSO BECAUSE GEORGE LUCAS UNDERSTANDS THAT JEDI'S ARE BASICALLY CHINESE ENTAILING THAT IT IS ONLY RIGHT TO GIVE THE JOB TO SOMEONE LIKE DOUGH CHIANG TO DRAW UPON HIS CHINESE CULTURE. FURTHER MORE SINCE HE ALLOWED DOUG CHIANG TO DO MOST OF THE WORK, THE PHANTOM MENACE LOOKED EXACTLY WORD FOR WORD AND PAINTBRUSH STROKE FOR PAINTBRUSH STROKE LIKE HIS PAINTINGS, RESULTING IN A GENUINELY CHINESE FEEL AND EXPERIENCE WHEN U WATCH TPM. OR MAYBE GEORGE LUCAS IS STILL JAPANESE WASHED BUT HE IS WILLING TO CORRECT HIS MISTAKES BECAUSE STAR WARS IS HIS ENTIRE LIFE AND HE CAN'T BE LIVING A LIE LIKE "STAR WARS IS INSPIRED BY THE JAPANESE CULTURE" FOR HIS ENTIRE LIFE WHICH IS THE EXACT REASON WHY HE HIRED DOUG CHIANG. AGAIN I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THAT EVERYTHING THAT SEEMS JAPANESE IN STAR WARS AFTER "RETURN OF THE JEDI" OR I SHOULD RATHER SAY EVERYTHING STARTING FROM "STAR WARS: EPISODE I - THE PHANTOM MENACE" IS SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONTINUITY. THE WORDS JEDI, OBI-WAN KENOBI, AND YODA. I MEAN SERIOUSLY FOLKS, OBI-WAN KENOBI WOULD STILL BE AS CHINESE AND BADASS AS THE MEANEST JEDI THAT EVER LIVED EVEN IF HIS NAME WAS JAR JAR, YOU GET THE IDEA. AND YOU CAN CALL THE JEDI, WITH A FRATERNITY NAME LIKE, "ATO OR ATL OR KAPPA-ALPHA," AND THEY'D STILL BE AS CHINESE, MYSTERIOUS, CODIFIED, AND ELITE AS THEY ALWAYS WERE. ALL IM SAYING IS OBI-WAN KENOBI IS CHINESE BECAUSE FOR THE MOST OBVIOUS REASONS: HE LOOKS CHINESE AND HE USES A STRAIGHT LIGHTSABER NOT A CURVED ONE, ANAKIN SKYWALKER IS CHINESE UNTIL HE TURNED INTO DARTH VADER THAT LOOKS LIKE A JAPANESE SAMURAI WITH THAT BIG WIDE HELMET, YODA AND EVERYONE ON THE COUNCIL IS CHINESE, EVERY SINGLE JEDI IS CHINESE COS THEY USE THE FORCE, YES EVEN THE SITH ARE CHINESE BECAUSE THEY ARE TRAINED IN THE JEDI ARTS AND THEY FOLLOW A GREAT DEAL OF CHINESE PHILOSOPHY. I'D SAY THE ONLY JAPANESE CHARACTERS YOU WILL FIND WITHIN THE STAR WARS UNIVERSE ARE THE NEMOIDIANS AND THEIR OBSESSIONS WITH EXPORTING THEIR GOODS=ANALAGOUS TO THE JAPANESE BULK SELLING THEIR SPORTS CARS TO THE US. THE MANDALORIANS ARE JAPANESE WITH THEIR SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY=ANALAGOUS TO ADVANCED JAPANESE ELECTRONICS LIKE SONY AND PLAYSTATION 2. ALSO DARTH VADER AND POSSIBLY QUI-GON JINN BECAUSE THEY BOTH SIT DOWN ON THE FLOOR AND MEDITATE TOO MUCH. OH AND LOOK AT MASTER QUI-GON JINN'S BEARD, THAT DEFINITELY LOOKS JAPANESE. JUST GO TO THE GETTYSBURG MUSEUM AND YOU WILL SEE JAPANESE PORCELEIN ART AND SCULPTURES FEATURING JAPANESE NATIVE MEN HAVING GROTESQUE AND BUSHY BEARDS AS WELL AS SUPER LONG HAIR THAT THEY NEVER WASH.
Ray: The stormtroopers were NOT supossed to be Jedi's you numbnuts. Not everyone with a lightsaber is a Jedi.
Sender: False, George Lucas believes that anyone in his Star Wars films who fights with a lightsaber is because they have extraordinary skill, power, and elegance as opposed to those that use blasters. Stormtroopers used blasters but they were initially drawn with lightsabers and that is very subjective. They could have been a Jedi's match (being able to fight with one entails particular training), per se, but because they finally became analagous with blasters shows that they have less skill, power, and elegance as opposed to Jedi's. All I was saying was those having extraordinary skill, power, and elegance were characters free of a predetermined look. And even if Jedi's were meant to be geared towards a Japanese look (entailing that it was predetermined), than obviously those that believe so (including George Lucas) are falsifying what is called the "truth." The "truth" is that Jedi's look Chinese in origin. I call it as I see them.
Ray: Then you say "Darth vader is definitely samurai like with his helmet so i am not racist."
Sender: That is the truth. In fact, Darth Vader was supposed to have a completely samurai looking helmet with a cloth as a face mask but because Ralph said that Star Wars is futuristic, Lucas thought the technological face mask was a brilliant idea.
Ray: Then you say : "Furthermore, the new obi design far surpasses the old one making him look a lot more sleeker, faster, and daring in design" Geee, would that be because he is YOUNGER now?...Young people and Old people dress differently you know, but still his Costume is practically unchanged.
Sender: You are only catering to what I have been saying all along. Hell, Qui-Gon Jinn was perhaps as near as Obi-Wan Kenobi's age when he was in A New Hope. However, he wore the same costume design Obi did in The Phantom Menace and he looks just as sleek, fast, and daring as Obi. However, Qui-Gon may have looked fast but he wasn't. On the other hand, Obi-Wan Kenobi in A New Hope for all we know died because he let it be. With his age, he had become a great master and he was probably hiding more that we can ever imagine (hell when he died, he was still appearing here and there!) but he certainly looked weak in A New Hope and that's not just because he had wrinkles on his face. His costume inside and out looked very sluggish in A New Hope than when compared to the better Chinese version in The Phantom Menace.
Ray: "Wut is even more intriguing is that Ralph and Doug have been known to work closely together during the design phase and so the original Obi look had been slowly transformed to a chinese look. " Ralph McQuarrie retired from the bussiness, the only access Dough had to McQuarrie was through his paintings.
Sender: No, I am pretty sure that they have become good friends and they analyze each others paintings regardless of whether or not Ralph retired (this isn't construction work). Furthermore, Doug tries to live up to Ralph's paintings through their simple presence, objectiveness, vivid colors, and realism that they convey for Star Wars which isn't too sci-fi but rather with an Earthly feel. Doug may have drawn from his Chinese culture (or Chinese culture research from a simple library) to give Star Wars a historical feel to the Jedi from Chinese origins. What Doug Chiang does not do is copy Ralph McQuarrie for his designs and for obvious reasons, this is the prequel trilogy we are talking about and from what I have seen, there has been very little continuity in terms of design in The Phantom Menace in regards to the original trilogy and I hope it remains that way.
Ray: This is not about pride, it's about customs. Doug confessed he knows very little from the Chinese culture, because he is an U.S. citizen and never been to china or anything.
Sender: You don't have to go there in order to be educated about such a culture or any other culture for that matter.
Ray: I think it is pretty obvious you have issues against the Japanese culture, and that my friend, is what we call R-A-C-I-S-M.
Sender: I am not, I simply call it as I see them.
Ray: But you still say you're not racist...how about comments like these, from your previews email "DARTH VADER AND POSSIBLY QUI-GON JINN BECAUSE THEY BOTH SIT DOWN ON THE FLOOR AND MEDITATE TOO MUCH.
Sender: There is a Japanese word for such meditation when you kneel down like that. Something like Hama-kiri.
Ray: Further, you said, "OH AND LOOK AT MASTER QUI-GON JINN'S BEARD, THAT DEFINITELY LOOKS JAPANESE. JUST GO TO THE GETTYSBURG MUSEUM AND YOU WILL SEE JAPANESE PORCELEIN ART AND SCULPTURES FEATURING JAPANESE NATIVE MEN HAVING GROTESQUE AND BUSHY BEARDS AS WELL AS SUPER LONG HAIR THAT THEY NEVER WASH. "
Sender: That is definitely true. The Japanese were strict as hell in the Shogunate days 1590-1750. They didn't wash their hair and they grew bushy beards as a sign of masculinity.
I do admit that I rant but it is only for Star Wars that I do this since Star Wars is perhaps the only thing that uses a lot of historical background in its making and I can't help but feeling held back when people just falsify the truth for everyone else. I vent the truth sooner or later.
Ray: Star Wars shouldn't be tainted with the subject of race.
Sender: Star Wars would not be the same were it not for the history and the different cultures that numerous races have created over time. If you create something totally bizarre for Star Wars, it wouldn't look Star Wars. It would look too far-fetched like Babylon 5 or Star Trek.
Ray: I am glad you are proud of being of Chinese heritage, just don't take out your shortcomings as a person with other races.
Sender: You can call me a racist China-man all you want but I respect all races, cultures, and the whole human race. But it should be intrinsic for anyone to sense whether someone is just being egocentric or just telling it like it really is.
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Way too much free time
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STOP IT ALREADY WITH THE !) PAGES OF SHIT!
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Next time don't send e-mails out who point out the obvious that you are a dick.
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