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Gabriel Byrne possibly involved in STAR WARS EPISODE 2'
Just wanted to fill you folks in on this latest tidbit. Hmmmmm, and just who would he be I wonder? I love his work. Harry out, here's Macker...
I'm a regular reader of your site from Ireland. I heard a snippet today
that might be of some interest to you. Gabriel Byrne was being interviewed
on RTE Radio 1 (Irish national radio station) he was asked firstly about a
General Custer film with Tom Cruise that he was supposed to be involved in
- his reply 'That's news to me, I've heard nothing about that', when asked
about a role in Star Wars Episode II he said something like 'yeah there's
something going on there, but nothing definite YET'.
Hope you can use this,
Regards,
(Macker)
And here's that white drug dealing jive talking Drexel with the confirmation....
Harry,
Finally the time has come. I have spent the last two years waiting for the
moment that I could contribute something to your site. And I think the wait
was worth it. This is juicy, very juicy indeed.
Here I am in Ireland. A land that would be devoid of scoops and on set
reports. Basically, all of you people in American get the best news first.
Unless it happens here. And today it did.
Listening to the radio today during work. I heard a very intimate interview
with Gabriel Byrne at the Galway Film Festival about his life and times as
an actor. It was recorded in the last few days. He was candid, honest and
very relaxed. It was like a conversation in a pub. Anyway, after fifteen
minutes as the interviewer was wrapping up, he asked Byrne about his next
projects and very casually asked
"What about talks on Star Wars 2?.
Without a moment of hesitation Byrne answered
"Yes. I have had talks about Star Wars 2."
(I’m quoting because I wrote it down as soon as I heard it.)
And they left it at that.
My jaw dropped. I could not believe the response, with the script unfinished
and all. Especially at this early stage. But I believed him, because this
did not feel like a formal interview and it would only be heard by Irish
Radio One listeners, so he was very relaxed.
Byrne likes coming home to Ireland and all of Irish interviews are open and
honest. It’s like he is coming home from work and is chatting with a friends
about the way things are "over there".
But how cool is that. Byrne has got the physical presence and the intensity
to be a great Jedi. Light or Dark.
Harry find out more on this please.
Two Irish Jedi. Maybe I could be one in the Episode 3......Nahhhh
Drexel,
Signing Off.
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THAT'S WHAT I CALL COOL NEWS!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, anyway - this would be cool. Byrne is a fantastic actor.
"Millers Crossing" - need I say more.
Unfortunately I highly doubt Ep2 will have a script worthy of this kind of talent.
Anyone remember the "Plot does matter!" godzilla spoofing Star Wars poster? Seems like Lucas and co. didnt take their own advice.
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Now that's what I call casting! It's been said that Lucas is 99% an FX man. Well, it looks to me like he's out to shake that reputation. Take your time writing this one George. Cast Anikan carefully and you'll show everyone that EPISODE I was just a small case of rust on your part.
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Yup, i remember hearing the same rumor about him playing boba fett (or as the geeks in line in front of me for Ep 1 called him...Boba the Fett...freaks!)
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You know, I'm all excited now! Boba Fett, eh? I heard that one ages ago. I'm not sure I like that idea, I'd rather see ol' Gabe as Bail Organa, or something. A guy with his shit together. Boba Fett is such a fucking fan-boy's wet dream these days it unbelievable. He's like the Ricky Martin of Star Wars. Give me Dengar every time! (I can't believe I just said that) Anyway, here's the beef - I'm going to the premiere in London tomorrow night. I'm going to ask George-fucking-Lucas straight out! "Who's Gabriel Byrne playing in Episode II, you cheeky, mealy-mouthed, bearded, check-shirt motherfucker?" Then me and Natalie are going to get a room together.
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No. Remember? Lucas said that Fett had been in EP1, and Gabriel Byrne wasn't anywhere to be seen. Harry tried to tell me that is was Jar Jar when he was up here in Minneapolis last week, but I think it's Captain Panaka.
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Gabriel Bryne almost resembled the late Peter Cushing! Methink that Gabriel Bryne would be in EP II for the role of Moff Tarkin, the third man in the Evil Trinity of the New Order (with Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader). If Gabriel Bryne would play Tarkin, GL sure picked the right person with the right looks. This is great! Bryne as Tarkin...ubercool!
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I don't really care who the dude plays. What the movie needs is a Han Solo type. To me that's what Episode 1 lacked character-wise. Someone who isn't a Jedi but who is just a normal butt-kickin cowboy type to provide a good foil to all the quasi-monastic Jedis. And don't try and tell me that's what Jar Jar was. I need someone likable, not that piece of luggage. Oh yeah, and character interaction and plot development need to be a major push. But Gabriel Byrne is a bad mutha. I wouldn't mind him being a good Jedi. If he's not good then we all know he's just going to get killed by Annakin in the end. My two cents.
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DARK HORIZONS has just reported the following rumors: 1) Gillian Anderson is to play a female Jedi Knight (presumably the spurned villian Aurora Sin). 2) Darth Maul will appear as several clones of his original self, but in many different colors. 3)The title of EPISODE II will be CRUSADERS OF THE FORCE. All pretty cool rumors if you ask me. Have fun with these everybody....
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Darth Maul in many different colors?!! What is this, Mortal Combat? I smell something.
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What are they gonna call him Darth i-Maul?
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First post here--I couldn't resist responding to the multi-colored Darth Maul rumor...only thing I could think was, "Could this be the next step in the Lucas/Apple collaboration?" (after the Quicktime 4.0 SWE1 Trailer success)
I can see it now...Five Fun Flavors of iMauls, carrying fruit-flavored Light Sabers...
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Perhaps Darth Maul will come in five different 'flavors' in Episode 2, ala the Apple iMac computer line? Certainly would be good for candy tie-ins (personally would like a Life Saver's Lime Darth Maul.)
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...to the thought!
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I just hope his talents aren't waisted like with McGregor, Neeson, & Portman. Frank Darabont! Where are you?! Someone tell me Ep2 won't turn out like Ep1.
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It's rumors like multi colored already dead characters and cheesy probable titles that make me cringe at the whole star wars universe. Yes, it's cool that Byrne might make his way into the movie, but why don't you all calm down a bit, put Star Wars on the back burner and focus on some more immediate films. Just calm down, breath a little and stop making stuff up. Does it really matter why there are different colored light sabers or if Boba Fett is a jive talking rabbit from planet xxwtryt? NO!!! When Lucas is ready to give you an answer to a subject that actually has RELEVANCE to the story, he'll give it to you.
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The actor who played Panaka was stiffer than Solo at the beginning of ROTJ. He actually did a glance into the camera "Paging Mr. Herman" move in Ep. 1. If he is Fett, I'm going to send a stool sample to the ranch. Panaka was the weakest character and had more lines than Yoda. His gut instincts were always wrong and he had absolutely no balls. This character (not to mention actor) does not deserve to be Fett. One of the myriad things missing in Ep. 1 was the feeling that a real bad guy would be back to do battle with Obi-Wan. Maul coming back as a clone is a good idea (imagine the look on Obi's puss when he sees two Mauls coming after him). Maybe this could make up for lack of tension in Ep. 1. Different wacky colors? - unsubstantiated, but just the idea makes me ill. Keep with the McQuarrie color scheme for crying out loud. No more pink and blue "eye of the storm" balls.
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is coming to DVD this Christmas!!
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Mike D, you punk! Do you have any inner monologue that tells you when something is bullshit? Jesus, people make up the strangest crap...Crusaders of the Force?! I mean, c'mon! Think for a minute!
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I don't care who he plays. Fett, Tarkin, a Jedi, they would all be cool. Lucas has said Episode II will be more character driven than TPM, so maybe they'll make better use of a great cast this time around. As for the possible name, McCallum has stated that GL already has a name picked out so you never know. People already knew the name Return of the Jedi (or Revenge) before Empire came out.
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I didn't say 'I belived it.' I just thought it was interesting, is all.
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Jul 13, 1999 9:31:46 AM CDT
Byrne sounds cool, and a question: Won't there have to be a ret
by bundren
Remember what Yoda said: "Always two there are: a master and an apprentice." Of course, one might take this as a generalziation except Yoda follows this up by saying "No more. No less." So who's gonna be the new apprentice for Sideous until Anakin takes his place (remember, over ten years will have elapsed since Maul bit the dust)? I kind of like the idea of a Maul clone (or clones) returning (a factor in the clone wars?) especially since it'll take a bit of the sting out of seeing such a cool character killed off so soon. Or will it be a new character? Any other ideas or insights?
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You say forget about Crusaders of the Force because it's so cheesy? But "The Phantom Menace" wasn't? Sure it's just a rumor, but you can't count anything out at this point.
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this is how it should be: his torso on one of those walking chair-things from TPM. Kinda like Branagh in WWW, but a force of pure evil instead of an embarrassed British thespian spouting racist dialogue in a bad Southern accent...
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Now, let us run down who all mr Dean Keaton himself might be... I saw Boba Fett up there, but do ya really think that if he was Byrne's age in Ep2 he'd be up for hunting ANYONE down by the time ESB came around? I'd be thinking he'd be in a bounty hunter retirement home by then. I was thinking he would make a great newborn Sidious clone. Or, even though the late Mr Cushing was not Irish, a young Tarkin perhaps? Although I think for the time frame of Ep2 even Byrne is too old for Tarkin. Hmmm.... whoever he may be, he would make a kick-ass sith lord, Sidious clone or not.
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I think Byrne would make an awesome Grand Muff Tarkin. I also like the Jar Jar as Boba Fett theory. Hated by everyone, he hides his CG mug in a mandolorian helmet, while also learning good ol' English dialect (because if you are an alien who does not speak good ol' whiteboy English, it must be RACIST!) and cuts off his ears (dreads?). Oh what great irony that would be for the most hated character in the Star Wars universe to actually be Fan Boy Wet Dream #1. I really wish Lucas would do it. Also unrelated, did anyone else see The Man Show on Comedy Central when they dressed up as Maul and Yoda and cut in front of the big ticket line the night before tickets went on sale? That was classic.
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How about 'Voyagers of the Deep Space Babylon Crusade'?
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Hey Mike D! You gotta admit, they are pretty bad rumours, dontcha think? Anyways, you're not a punk - you're a stout fellow! See ya later!
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If you want to know who Boba Fett is in Ep 1 here ya go. Tripster... Anakins annoying little friend with too much perk. It explains why his ship is called the Slave 1 and shows how he knows Vader.
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Can't you see it? He starts doing some situps, gets some rhinoplasty done on that big dangling-penis nose of his.... oops. I forgot about the legs. Damn. Almost could have worked. Anyways, it's good to see people having a sense of humor about Star Wars again, rather than treating it as some sacred cow. Not that I won't be in line on Day One for Ep. 2.....
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this is totally off of what the story is about but I think that Bill Paxton should be in SW2, as like a Jedi or the new Sith Apprentice, his vice can be pretty dastardly if he puts his mind to it and he IS in shape. Even better, he could Boba Fett, it could be like his immortal role of Hudson in Aliens. Instead of a pulse rifle, a laser cannon. That would be sweet. But thats MY opinion, being the Bill Paxton fan I am........
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While, unfortunately, that Anakin's-friend-as-Boba-Fett is one of the more logical ideas, I'd be truly disappointed if it were true. I mean, come on, do we really have to connect each and every character in the Star Wars universe?
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Well if Lucas says he was in EP1, it's pretty obvious, isn't it? That human kid that was hanging with Anakin and doing those stupid twirls when Anakin won the race.
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Byrne rules. The Usual Suspects was a great piece of work. I can't wait for End of Days and Stigmata. They look to be awesome. I really hope he is Grand Moff Tarkin. I could see it happening, but if he's someone else I'll be happy.
As for the Dark Horizons rumours, they sound corny. Gillian Anderson is a babe and all but in Star Wars? I think she would really look out of place. AS far as the title goes CRUSADERS OF THE FORCE? I think George already did a crusade movie a while back. Remember? Anyways that sounds like a corny title but I won't mock it too much. I do remember alot of Talkbackers mocking The Phantom Menace as a title and thinking how dumb it was and how it would be changed. So we will see. As for iMauls I think that's a bogus rumour. Let's wait till September and we will see... -
Of the candidates Tarkin makes the most sense for Byrne - those hollowed out cheekbones are a dead giveaway.
Kishner as Boba Fett? Man, that's a reach. I hope not. It reminds me of the SW post-Jedi books, in which in the midst of traveling across the vastness of the galaxy, Han and Luke and Lando will all somehow end up in the same woodshed in the middle of nowhere. Maybe Boba Fett is the little girl on Tatooine with the Leia curls, or a vengeful Chancellor Valorum eager to bust some General Zod like moves. Just so as long as he's not Ric Olie a.k.a Dick Van Dyke In Mary Poppins.
By the way, if I were writing eps. 2-3, I'd have it go a little something like this: Anakin falls to the dark side and becomes an absolutely unstoppable ass-kicker. He takes on multiple Jedi at once and just can't be beaten. Obi-Wan loses his match with Vader and, just as he is being regaled with some choice words about the dark side before his impalement, Obi-Wan presses the button on the little slave device implanted in Anakin by Watto. Vader goes boom and should be dead, were it not for (a) his amazing Force of will and (b) his amazing technical ability. A shadow of his former self, Vader crawls back to his secret underground lair whereupon the Emperor and mini-Maul help him put on the now famous black casing.
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Is anyone familiar with Joruus C
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Who suggested Bill Paxton for SW2? Are you serious? I mean , I luv the guy, but I really can't see Chet/Hudson as a Jedi. "Whoa, Darth Maul clones!! Forget it, Obi-Wan, game over, man!" He would definitely be cool, however as a Han Solo hero-type.
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Well if you want cool, calculated villainy, then my vote for the actor to portray Tarkin (The evil Genius who invented the New Order of Rule by Fear), would be Christopher Walken. I reckon he could carry the role superbly.
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Gabriel Byrne can ONLY be Tarkin. It would an inspired bit of casting. I hope this is true. Gillian Anderson can't be Aura Singh. First of all, they already showed her during the Pod Race sequence in TPM, and she's not petite. I think Gillian would be a jedi that bites it in EP2 during the battle sequence, or maybe a love interest for Obi-Wan. Also, there is news of Ewan in London filming teaser posters for EPII due out in theatres during the early 2000 releases. It hints at him flirting with the Dark Side, which is a reocurring rumor about this character. Also, McCallum stated that filming will be taking place in Portugal. Well, I did a little snooping on the net, and it turns out Portugal has a chain of islands along its coast called the Azores, that house an ACTIVE VOLCANO, as well as many dormant ones. Could this be the location of the famous Obi-Wan/Vader duel?
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Gabrial Byrne will be a young Grand Moff, Kitster will become Boba Fett, and if the will be female jedi knight she should be played by Michelle Yeoh.
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I agree that it would be a little contrived if all the characters were in some way related, but there are only so many new characters that can be introduced. In ESB, they only really introduced a few, and they were pretty much all in ROTJ.
Panaka must be here to stay, as must Jar Jar, and I guess we wouldn't have met Kitster and Shmi if we aren't going to see them again.
I'm not sure about this "Obi Wan flurts with the Dark Side" stuff though. Yoda said that if you started down that path "forever will it dominate your destiny."
My theory for 2 cents ?
Anakin performs well under Obi Wan's tutelage, but goes against the Jedi Council and returns to Tatooine to rescue Shmi. While there, something happens to her (engineered by Palpatine). Shmi is killed (you will see her charred skeleton like Beru and Owen in ANH) by a Sith trained by Palpatine. Obi Wan arrives at Tatooine to try to prevent Anakin making a mistake, and finds him defeating the Sith with total anger. Obi Wan chastises him for succumbing, but Palpatine is more supportive, and so begins the fall to the Dark Side.
Meanwhile, the Clone Wars begin as Palpatine engineers political unrest sneakily behind the scenes in the senate (as Sidious he probably provides certain cultures with cloning technology). The unrest ends as Palpatine "comes to the rescue" and declairs himself Emperor - as the democracy is clearly not working.
The Jedi play a key role - as Palpatine's pawns in resolving the Clone Wars, but Ki, Windu, Jabba's little friend and that long necked one all bite the dust.
Gabrielle Byrne ought to be Tarkin - the right hand man of Palpatine, and a key military strategist.
Amidala and Anakin's romance blossoms, but Amidala also has feelings for Obi Wan (love triangle like Luke, Leia and Han). Obi Wan consoles her when Anakin goes to Tatooine - nothing happens, but Anakin doesn't believe them at first - taking a lot out on Obi Wan in their end of film fight. Reconciliation with Amidala leads to the kids (Anakin doesn't find out about Leia), but with Amidala feeling Anakin has changed.
As for Aura Sing, she could be the Dark Jedi trained by Palpatine (sacrificially) as Anakin's opponent. There just have to be a series of Dark Lords though - I don't care if there are always two - how else can the Jedi team up - who would they fight ?
Finally, Boba Fett will be someone Anakin teams up with to help him rescue the slaves. He will probably be a Han Solo type, but erring on the darker side - for hire, but totally mercenary and without the heart of gold...
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They shoud get that guy who played evil high priest Mola Ramm in TEMPLE OF DOOM to play Boba Fett or maybe his slave father. This rumour of Anakin's perky friend being the Fettmeister has got to be one of the most bizarre things ever, but at this point and with Lucas so far gone into Prozac Land I will beleive just about anything I hear about EP2.
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Allright, who else thinks that Edward Furlong is perfect for Anakin Skywalker. The right look, plenty of acting ability, and he could kick the crap out of Leo any day of the week and twice on Sundays. and Gabriel Byrne is a fantasic actor. Let him play whoever the hell he wants.
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I don't think she'll be his apprentice. But instead, sacrificial in the sense that she will be part of the setup by Palpatine to turn Anakin to the Dark Side. I think Sideous will send her to kill Anakin's mother, knowing in turn that Anakin will kill her for revenge, sealing his dark path.
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That would kick all ass.
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First...What exactly did Lucas say about Fett being in Episode 1 and when did he say it? anyone?
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Yes, I fully agree that Mr. Gabriel Byrne is an outstanding and underused talent. BUT, let us not forget the misery of putting 24-karat talent in a shitty story. Worse, putting said talent in a film with a director whose head is constantly in CGI-Land instead of WORKING WITH HIS ACTORS like he should. Always remember that Holli Would if she could.
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The real official title of the working title for Episode 2. But if enough of you bitch they will call it Rise of the Empire. Kind of predictable. Oh wait that was what the mag said back in 97.
Ep.1 Balance of the Force
Ep.2 Rise of the Empire
Ep.3 Fall of the Jedi
Those were cool titles eh? Let's just wait...And Byrne rules!!!!
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Hey Harry, long time reader, first time poster. This is pretty much in response to the idea of Byrne as Tarkin, Byrne has great presence and would be cool in the movie, but raph fiennes (sorry 'bout the spelling) is perfect for the young Tarkin. Iapologise if someone has already pointed this out and i missed it, but somebody in Lucasfilm has or had Fiennes in the frame at some stage; check out the pic at the top right of page 28 of "The Making Of The Phantom Menace book".
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Could be worse you know!
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That sounds really cool. He's a great actor. However, is it possible that he was just kidding. I mean only because SW is such a big deal that they were probably joking when they asked. I don't know I mean it is from 2 people.
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Ha. Gillian Anderson as a Jedi. My, my. Why not David Duchovny as the "Han Solo" of this triology? Seriously though I agree that this triology needs a Han who has a more sophisticated humor than Jar Jar. We need the Han-cynicism.
My suggestion is....Vince Vaughn. Furthermore, Gabriel Byrne is a great actor but does he really have the accent to play Tarkin? We don't need another Samuel L. Jackson casting (I just waited for him to say: "Don't make me shove the force up your ass motherfucker." or something like that) Finally the title. My personal favorite is: "The many faces of Maul" -
Mike D,you are a penis...i bet you thought it would make you the big hero to come over here and break this 'scoop' for us...well i myself think its not fair to garth over at DH for you to make him look like a fucking dork that would start this kind of rumour....here is the original bit for your viewing pleasure........................
Star Wars: Episode II: The rumours surrounding the second Prequel continue to
get wilder and more unreliable, but also more interesting. The British teletext
system claims Internet sources say Gillian Anderson ("The X-Files") has been cast
as a female Jedi Knight - sounds very questionable to me. A new 'rumoured
pre-production title' for the film is "Crusaders of the Force", which seems kinda
cheesy. Meanwhile one very cool (but likely totally false) piece of gossip is that
not only will there be several clones of Darth Maul in the film - but each will be a
different colour. Unfortunately we're not likely to hear anything reliable on the
movie till around October when production starts in Sydney. Thanks to 'The Mail
Man', 'Kenobi824' & 'Matt'.So N-E ways,maybe not a penis but definately an easily excited geek... -
Ralph Fiennes is the absolute perfect actor to play Tarkin. He is, basically, a 38 year old version of Peter Cushing.
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If Lucas said that Fett is in Episode I, then it must be Darth Maul. He was rescued from Naboo by Palpatine (similar to how Anakin will be rescued from a deadly volcano) and sewn back together. The Mandalorian armor keeps him alive (similar to Vader). Maul is Fett.
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Byrne seems like the kind of distinguished, non-American actor Lucas likes to cast for the SW films (Neeson, McGreggor, Guiness, etc.). So whether this gossip is true (and can it be confirmed?), it sounds very plausible. The iMaul rumor sounds hokey -- instead, we'll probably be treated to gangs of cool-looking Sith in Ep.2, I predict, so we should just let go of Maul and move on. As for titles, at this point, any rumored title doesn't sound too stupid after "The Phantom Menace." Logically, since the TPM and ANH titles are opposites thematically, then the safe bet is that the title for Ep.2 would be the thematic opposite of ESB: "The Empire Rises" or "The Republic Falls" would make sense (forget any title with "...of the..." in it). Carried further, this would mean that the title for Ep. 3 should be "Fall of the Jedi." As for Gillian Anderson, I'd chalk this up to fan boy dreaming. The genesis for this rumor probably stems from Anderson's resemblance to the Mara Jade character from the Dark Horse comic books. If she were in the film, she'd probably be cast in a cameo appearance, like the way Samuel L. Jackson was. That would be the most likely scenario. I could see her bedecked in Jedi robes in a prominent speaking role (she has an excellent and compelling speaking voice) in some scene where she is either speaking to the Council or as a Jedi magistrate listening to other Jedi who bring information concerning Jedi-Sith political matters to her.
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First of all, when and where did Lucas say Boba Fett was in Episode I?
Secondly, if this is true, here's my own crackpot theory to go with all of yours:
Qui Gon Jinn. Why not? He didn't fade away...And Lucas did say we'd find out why later...And why not? It's as good as any other bonehead theory...(Though the other bonehead theory I kind of liked was Mace Windu...Lucas did say he'd be an emerging character, right? And Samuel L. Jackson does kick ass, right? And...
I could go on all day.
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Since people are sharing their theories here for the plotlines of the next films, I thought I'd pass on an interesting -- and very plausible -- theory I came across on the newsgroups: Sideous is NOT Palpatine, but he will BECOME Palpatine in either Ep.2 or 3. Sideous is the dead spirit of a Sith master who was killed in the Jedi-Sith War 1000 years ago. Sith masters can live on if the person who strikes them down does so in anger -- the Sith master then possesses the body of the person who struck them down. In Ep.1, Sideous' present corporal form is getting too old. He needs a new body, and he is still carrying out his revenge against the Jedi. He fabricates the invasion of Naboo, knowing that the ambitious Palpatine will take the opportunity to elevate his political power. Therefore, Sideous' next host is Palpatine. Once he takes over Palpatine, he'll be in a position of political power to bring down the Jedi. This would tie into the events of ROTJ: Palpatine-Sideous took interest in Luke because, again, he needed a new host. He taunted Luke to strike him down in anger. When Luke was about to do just this, his father, Vader, stopped him. Thus, Darth saved his son from being possessed by Sideous.
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It was a big disappointment. Not
too many people here seemed to like it.....so why start getting obsessed over EP2? It'll be a few years before we see it, so let's waste our time obsessing over something closer to "upcoming", like STIGMATA, which I just read a cool article in Fangoria about, or something that needs answered, like when is the home video release of THE BEYOND, Rolling Thunder Pictures re-release gonna come out? And does anyone have news on DETOX, Stallone's interesting-sounding flick due next winter/spring? I know the basics, but this was sounding like something to get fanboyyish about for everyone who liked COPLAND and was glad Stallone decided to try acting again. -
would make a great jedi, but since she has an accent, people would say her character was racist.
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I just hope the title for episode 2 is as perfect as "The Phantom Menace". Anybody who has seen the film but still doesn't think that title is perfect is severely retarded. I've liked it since day one, mainly because it wasn't some stupid crap like "Ballance of the Force". I'm proud to say that I think TPM is a great movie!
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I frankly couldn't give a rats ass about who would be cool to play whatever character, I'm much more concerned about whether Episode 2 will have a good script and be well directed and not be just another special effects big dick contest for George Lucas to show off his latest line of wizz bang effects. I may be old fashioned but I'm still of the school that believes that story comes first, and that without a good story and believable characters with well scripted motives then it's just another Godzilla in Star Wars clothing. Don't get me wrong I didn't hate TPM, I just thought that with a lot of little changes (and a couple of big ones) that it could have been so much more than it was, and it's just one guys opinion but as much as I admire George Lucas' creativity I think that he needs to surround himself with people that actually have the balls to tell him when something won't work or is a bad idea and then listen to their advice and work to make it better instead of his current situation surrounded by yes men like McCallum that think everything that George comes up with is 'amazing' 'incredible' and 'without fault'. Don't get me wrong I think that Byrne is a supremely cool actor, just as Portman, Neeson and McGregor are but if they don't have well written characters to breathe life into then what's the point? Just my opinion.
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here's the deal with EpII: Maul will come back as a bunch of mini-Maul's, all different colors, which will then be eaten up by the cute ETs from the Senate scene in some kids back yard (be sure to look for the Darth M&M candy tie-in.) Meanwhile, Boba Fett will turn out to be the baby Greedo friend of Anakin's from EpI... think about it, baby Greedo is actually ANH Greedo's brother, and when Greedo is killed by Han Solo in ANH, baby Greedo becomes Fett and vows to hunt Solo down. As for Jar Jar, he eventually cuts his dreads, and starts sporting a new jerry curl, and drops the pidgen english in favor of a smoother urban black dialect. In other words, Jar Jar becomes Lando Calrissian. And George Lucas, pissed off cuz Austin Powers II knocked TPM out of the #1 spot, gets his revenge by calling EpII "The Jedi Who Shagged Me"
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Yeah I'm there for the Byrnester. He's totally the way forward. But not as Boba Fett. Have to agree with JJ McClure on that one, the Fett is just a gimp with a rocket pack. Get Byrne in there as some kick ass, good guy motherfucker! Guinness in one hand, huge bowel ripping broad-sword light sabre in the other! Lets see Darth Maul and his buds tackle that!
Nice one Macker! But what were you doing listening to RTE Radio 1 in the first place? Waiting for Mr Kenny? -
I have to go with the notion that he will be sporting Mandolrian battle armor. Who says that the mandolorians wear their battle armor or even their helmets all the time? I'm betting we see the face of Fett for the first time. But I also agree he would play a great Tarkin so any role Byrne plays is AOK with me. MTFBWYa'll
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Hell, I don't know which casting rumor to be more hopeful for. Byrne is perfect for the role. Awesome actor. And whoever said that they couldn't see Anderson in SW needs their f-in head examined. She may be a yummybabe but she is one kickass fine actress! She'd be great! How many days until ep2 anyway
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1)About the multi-colored Mauls. Apparently, Sidious sends a crew to scrape up Maul's remains and take his lightsaber. Sidious makes a (meaning one) clone, who wears a similar design on his face, except the color is more of a maroon, symbolizing his grayer side. Possible names? I've heard "Darth Chaos" but not from anyone reliable.
-- From what I know, it's all very possible, but they shouldn't do it unless Maul gets character overhaul.
2)Concerning Mandalorians.
I read that they will be occupying Tatooine at the beginning of the movie, by request from the Hutts. When Anakin gets around to making his big Moses-like return, he'll face off against them and then-unknown bounty hunter Boba Fett. There are also rumors we'll see their homeworld, something by the name of Condor Dawn. -- I think that it's very likely, but they'll have to explain some things. Like, why would they be called Mandalorians if they're from "Condor Dawn"?
3) On the title.
I've heard RISE OF THE EMPIRE the most, from a bunch of different places. -- I like it.
4) Regarding the plot.
We're going to see Natalie Portman (woo-hoo) get a lot of on camera time with her counterpart (whoever he may be). There're rumors of a love triangle between her, Anakin, and Obi. By the end of the movie, she makes her decision. -- I hope they can find a guy who has better onscreen chemistry with Natalie than Jake Lloyd. They better handle that love triangle thing correctly. It'll be really out of place, and I hope they don't compromise Portman's character.
5)With thoughts on the books.
Apprently, Lucas has a whole stable of authors ready to jump in after epIII is done. I've heard rumors of Ki-Adi-Mundi's apprentice getting a book. They'll make alllusions to the events that transpire in the book in epII, but you'll have to wait to read about it. I'm also hearing about major origin stories, digging really far back to tell the story of the fabled "Darth Prime", the first of many renegade Jedi. Authors on board include Terry Brooks, Timothy Zahn, an Kevin J. Anderson. -- I think it's too early to say. -
This aint the best thread to post this on, but honestly...we Brits have waited till now for TPM, and having read all your comments to death, I have to say...you're all such a bunch of MISERABLE UNGRATEFUL CRETINS!!
Honestly,
The Phantom Menace ABSOLUTELY ROCKS! From start to finish, this is TOTALLY on a par with the rest of the Star Wars canon. How greedy can you guys be? Just take the four-tier finale and that supersonic sabre fight, and that on its own constitutes pretty much the greatest thing in escapist cinema this decade. Blimey, I just can't belieeeeeeeve you guys.
Can't wait for Epi 2. That Shmi knows faaaaaar more than she's letting on. And who's to say it's a virgin birth? She's very coy on the subject. I think she's sitting on a big-mama secret.
Jar Jar rules! You're so cruel, you lot. So bloody cruel and ungrateful. Go George! -
I'm getting well bored of everyone demanding a Han Solo-esque character in the first trilogy. I don't want a Han Solo-esque character here, and why? Because I don't want the first three just to be a rehash of the second three. For Gawd's sake, folks, if you want what you've already had in the first three films again, then go watch them again. But PLEASE, allow George to do something different here!
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Alright first off, I will have to tell you of an experience I had when I watched Star Wars with a Japanese person. Now we all know George Lucas was inspired by the Kurosawa films and all but this is exactly what gets so many Japanese people so excited about Star Wars. Just because George Lucas like the Japanese culture and used the term "Jedi" based on the Japanese term "Jedai-Geki" for the term of elite samurai or Japanese warrior and because the "Jedai-Geki" followed the Bushido code which is similar to the Jedi code, they (Japanese people) believe Star Wars is something that completely originated from the Japanese culture. First off, when I watched The Phantom Menace with my Japanese buddy (Mr. Namba) I simply commented that Obi-Wan is a badass. All I said was, "Damn, he's a bad-ass, going in a fight as a Padawan against a Sith and not caring about getting killed." Mr. Namba immediately said, "You think he's a bad-ass huh? You like his pony-tail?" I said, "Yeah that too, but I just like how he just goes into every situation with determination. Remember how he said to Captain Panaka 'I'll deal with that.' Damn, that just showed how he was a badass." Mr. Namba continued, "Yeah but you like his pony tail eh? You know, that's Japanese." ALRIGHT RIGHT THERE AND THEN I SHUT THE DAMN VCR OFF AND I LOOKED AT MY BUDDY IN HIS FACE AND JUST LOOKED AT HIM LIKE HE WAS BEING A JACKASS. There I was trying to enjoy my movie and this guy tries to imprint the image of Japanese culture on Obi-Wan Kenobi, who may perhaps be the best representation for everything that Star Wars stood for. I was furious cos all I knew was that I was watching my movie, and all of a sudden, this egocentrical person steps in to talk about his culture like it was the best. ALRIGHT FIRST OF ALL, EVERYTHING THAT THE JAPANESE CULTURE HAS DEVELOPED HAD ITS INITIAL TIES TO CHINA. WHERE DO U THINK THEY GOT THEIR LANGUAGE LITERATURE, ART, CLOTHES, EVERYTHING EXCEPT THEIR TASTE FOR RAW FOOD. SECOND, DO NOT ALL JEDI'S USE STRAIGHT SWORDS? WAS THERE EVER ONCE, A JEDI THAT USED A CURVED LOOKING LIGHTSABER OR A KATANA. NOOOO! ALL JEDI'S SWORDS ARE STRAIGHT AND THAT DETERMINES THEIR ACCURACY, SWING, BLOCKING TECHNIQUES, ETC. HAD A JEDI'S LIGHTSABER BEEN CURVED AS IS CHARACTERISTIC OF ALL SAMURAI SWORDS, WUT U SEE IN THE MOVIE WOULD NOT BE THE SAME IN TERMS OF THEIR ACCURACY, SWING, BLOCKING TECHNIQUES, ETC. THIRD, OBI-WAN KENOBI'S HAIR STYLE INCLUDING ITS PONY-TAIL IS DEFINITELY NOT JAPANESE IN NATURE. SURE THERE ARE SUCH THINGS CALLED SAMURAI PONY TAILS AND U CAN ALWAYS CATCH A GLIMPSE OF THEM ON THE SAMURAI'S FEATURED IN KUROSAWA'S FILMS AS WELL AS OLD JAPANESE SAMURAI FILMS THAT FEATURE ZATOICHI: THE BLIND MASSEUSE THAT SAVES THE DAY. BUT U GOTTA BE MORE CAREFUL TO SEE THAT IT IS STILL NOT THE SAME AS OBI-WAN'S. SAMURAI PONY TAILS ARE ALWAYS STICKING STRAIGHT OUT OF A SAMURAI'S HEAD BECAUSE IT IS BUNDLED TOO TIGHTLY AND IT COMES OUT AS A TUFT OF HAIR DIVERGING IN NUMEROUS DIRECTIONS. PLAY "TENCHU" THE PLAYSTATION GAME USING THE GIRL AND YOU WILL KNOW WUT I MEAN. OR IT'S ALWAYS TOO SHORT AND TOO HIGH UP IN THE CRANIAL AREA SO IT MAKES A SAMURAI LOOK LIKE A GORILLA THAT HAS A SAGGITARRIAL CREST RATHER THAN A BADASS. OR IF YOU LOOK AT "GOLDENBOY" A JAPANESE ANIME, YOU WILL SEE THAT GOLDENBOY HAS A PONYTAIL THAT IS FAIRLY LONG BUT RIGHT SMACK DOWN AT THE PLACE WHERE THE NECK IS SO THAT FROM BEHIND, GOLDEN BOY LOOKS LIKE HE HAS A CUTE LITTLE SQUIRREL ON HIS HEAD. SOMETIMES A SAMURAI SHAVES HIS HEAD AND THEN LEAVES A PONY-TAIL BUT THEN IT GIVES A DUMBASS EFFECT LIKE "PRINCE XIZOR" FROM THE CHRONICLES OF STAR WARS: SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE. FINALLY, THERE IS THE MATTER OF ATTIRE. JEDI'S WEAR A FLOWING ROBE WITH LONG WIDE SLEEVES. IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS MOVIES THAT INVOLVE STRAIGHT SWORDS, A GOOD ONE WOULD BE "THE DUEL", YOU WILL ACTUALLY SEE THAT OBI-WAN LOOKS ENTIRELY LIKE A CHARACTER OR WARRIOR THAT COULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE ANCIENT SOCIETY THAT ONCE DOMINATED CHINA. So let me recap, 1) Japanese people copy Chinese people 2) Lightsabers are straight like the antique straight swords that can be found in China and are not curved 3) The Japanese pony tail that Mr. Namba refered to probably looked like crap (cos it was basically bad imitation off of the Chinese) and comparable to Prince Xizor's pony tail while 4) During the times of ancient China, Chinese warriors dressed in the same exact fashion as Obi-Wan Kenobi did and 5) fashioned their hair style including their pony-tail in the exact , shape, length, and location as Obi-Wan Kenobi did. ALL THAT REMAINS FOLKS IS THAT JEDIS STILL HAVE TO BE CALLED JEDIS SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS FOR THE SAKE OF CONTINUITY EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE BASICALLY CHINESE IN NATURE AND OBI-WAN KENOBI WHILE I DO ADMIT SOUNDS A BIT LIKE JAPANESE HAS TO REMAIN THAT WAY FOR CONTINUITY EVEN THOUGH HE IS CHINESE. OOPS I FORGOT TO MENTION ABOUT FORCE OR IN CHINESE TERMS "CHI-KUNG" AND BELIEVE ME THAT WHOLE ORDEAL WITH QUI-GON JINN TAKING ON ONLY ONE APPRENTICE, THAT'S FROM AN ANCIENT CHINESE PHILOSOPHY THAT IF YOU HAVE MORE, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO TEACH THEM FULLY SINCE YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO CONCENTRATE YOUR FULLEST EFFORTS ON ONE PADAWAN AND THEN ANOTHER WHICH IS NOT EFFICIENT AT ALL AND MAY CAUSE JEALOUSY AS YOU HAVE SEEN IN OBI-WAN'S EYES AS WELL AS ANAKIN'S. HOWEVER, SITH IS DIFFERENT. BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE VIOLENT IN NATURE AND HAVE ALREADY DEVOTED THEMSELVES TO THE DARK SIDE, THE JEALOUS APPRENTICES WOULD SIMPLY DUEL TO THE DEATH AND THAT IS WHY THE RULE CAME ABOUT, "NO MORE, NO LESS, A MASTER AND AN APPRENTICE." FURTHERMORE, I BELIEVE GEORGE LUCAS IN HIS EARLIER YEARS, CLEARLY, I REPEAR, CLEARLY WAS JAPANESE WASHED. HAVE U EVER HEARD OF POKEMON? A BETTER QUESTION WOULD BE WHO HASN'T HEARD OF POKEMON. OK. THERE U GO, THE JAPANESE HAVE A WAY WITH JAPANESE-WASHING PEOPLE'S MINDS. ALSO, WHY DO YOU THINK HE HIRED A CHINESE PERSON TO CREATE THE PRE-PRODUCTION PAINTINGS USED TO DIRECT THE LOOK OF THE MOVIE BEFORE IT WAS EVER SHOT? DOUG CHIANG NOT ONLY PAINTED 1000 PAINTINGS FOR THE PRODUCTION OF EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE ( A WHOPPING 33% OUT OF THE PAINTINGS TOTAL CREATED BY THE ART DEPARTMENT) BUT HE EVEN HEADED THE ART DEPARTMENT ENTIRELY AND EXACTLY FOR THE MATTER OF NEWLY RECONSTRUCTING THE LOOK OF STAR WARS. WITH ALL THOSE JAPANESE ANIMATORS OUT THERE WHY DOESN'T HE JUST HIRE SOME OF THEM? DOESN'T HE WANT A JAPANESE LOOK FOR HIS STAR WARS FILMS? CLEARLY, GEORGE LUCAS IS NOT STUPID AND CLEARLY HE IS NOT JAPANESE WASHED ANYMORE WHICH IS WHY HE HIRED A CHINESE ART DIRECTOR. THIS IS ALSO BECAUSE GEORGE LUCAS UNDERSTANDS THAT JEDI'S ARE BASICALLY CHINESE ENTAILING THAT IT IS ONLY RIGHT TO GIVE THE JOB TO SOMEONE LIKE DOUGH CHIANG TO DRAW UPON HIS CHINESE CULTURE. FURTHER MORE SINCE HE ALLOWED DOUG CHIANG TO DO MOST OF THE WORK, THE PHANTOM MENACE LOOKED EXACTLY WORD FOR WORD AND PAINTBRUSH STROKE FOR PAINTBRUSH STROKE LIKE HIS PAINTINGS, RESULTING IN A GENUINELY CHINESE FEEL AND EXPERIENCE WHEN U WATCH TPM. OR MAYBE GEORGE LUCAS IS STILL JAPANESE WASHED BUT HE IS WILLING TO CORRECT HIS MISTAKES BECAUSE STAR WARS IS HIS ENTIRE LIFE AND HE CAN'T BE LIVING A LIE LIKE "STAR WARS IS INSPIRED BY THE JAPANESE CULTURE" FOR HIS ENTIRE LIFE WHICH IS THE EXACT REASON WHY HE HIRED DOUG CHIANG. AGAIN I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THAT EVERYTHING THAT SEEMS JAPANESE IN STAR WARS AFTER "RETURN OF THE JEDI" OR I SHOULD RATHER SAY EVERYTHING STARTING FROM "STAR WARS: EPISODE I - THE PHANTOM MENACE" IS SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONTINUITY. THE WORDS JEDI, OBI-WAN KENOBI, AND YODA. I MEAN SERIOUSLY FOLKS, OBI-WAN KENOBI WOULD STILL BE AS CHINESE AND BADASS AS THE MEANEST JEDI THAT EVER LIVED EVEN IF HIS NAME WAS JAR JAR, YOU GET THE IDEA. AND YOU CAN CALL THE JEDI, WITH A FRATERNITY NAME LIKE, "ATO OR ATL OR KAPPA-ALPHA," AND THEY'D STILL BE AS CHINESE, MYSTERIOUS, CODIFIED, AND ELITE AS THEY ALWAYS WERE. ALL IM SAYING IS OBI-WAN KENOBI IS CHINESE BECAUSE FOR THE MOST OBVIOUS REASONS: HE LOOKS CHINESE AND HE USES A STRAIGHT LIGHTSABER NOT A CURVED ONE, ANAKIN SKYWALKER IS CHINESE UNTIL HE TURNED INTO DARTH VADER THAT LOOKS LIKE A JAPANESE SAMURAI WITH THAT BIG WIDE HELMET, YODA AND EVERYONE ON THE COUNCIL IS CHINESE, EVERY SINGLE JEDI IS CHINESE COS THEY USE THE FORCE, YES EVEN THE SITH ARE CHINESE BECAUSE THEY ARE TRAINED IN THE JEDI ARTS AND THEY FOLLOW A GREAT DEAL OF CHINESE PHILOSOPHY. I'D SAY THE ONLY JAPANESE CHARACTERS YOU WILL FIND WITHIN THE STAR WARS UNIVERSE ARE THE NEMOIDIANS AND THEIR OBSESSIONS WITH EXPORTING THEIR GOODS=ANALAGOUS TO THE JAPANESE BULK SELLING THEIR SPORTS CARS TO THE US. THE MANDALORIANS ARE JAPANESE WITH THEIR SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY=ANALAGOUS TO ADVANCED JAPANESE ELECTRONICS LIKE SONY AND PLAYSTATION 2. ALSO DARTH VADER AND POSSIBLY QUI-GON JINN BECAUSE THEY BOTH SIT DOWN ON THE FLOOR AND MEDITATE TOO MUCH. OH AND LOOK AT MASTER QUI-GON JINN'S BEARD, THAT DEFINITELY LOOKS JAPANESE. JUST GO TO THE GETTYSBURG MUSEUM AND YOU WILL SEE JAPANESE PORCELEIN ART AND SCULPTURES FEATURING JAPANESE NATIVE MEN HAVING GROTESQUE AND BUSHY BEARDS AS WELL AS SUPER LONG HAIR THAT THEY NEVER WASH.
Ray: The stormtroopers were NOT supossed to be Jedi's you numbnuts. Not everyone with a lightsaber is a Jedi.
Sender: False, George Lucas believes that anyone in his Star Wars films who fights with a lightsaber is because they have extraordinary skill, power, and elegance as opposed to those that use blasters. Stormtroopers used blasters but they were initially drawn with lightsabers and that is very subjective. They could have been a Jedi's match (being able to fight with one entails particular training), per se, but because they finally became analagous with blasters shows that they have less skill, power, and elegance as opposed to Jedi's. All I was saying was those having extraordinary skill, power, and elegance were characters free of a predetermined look. And even if Jedi's were meant to be geared towards a Japanese look (entailing that it was predetermined), than obviously those that believe so (including George Lucas) are falsifying what is called the "truth." The "truth" is that Jedi's look Chinese in origin. I call it as I see them.
Ray: Then you say "Darth vader is definitely samurai like with his helmet so i am not racist."
Sender: That is the truth. In fact, Darth Vader was supposed to have a completely samurai looking helmet with a cloth as a face mask but because Ralph said that Star Wars is futuristic, Lucas thought the technological face mask was a brilliant idea.
Ray: Then you say : "Furthermore, the new obi design far surpasses the old one making him look a lot more sleeker, faster, and daring in design" Geee, would that be because he is YOUNGER now?...Young people and Old people dress differently you know, but still his Costume is practically unchanged.
Sender: You are only catering to what I have been saying all along. Hell, Qui-Gon Jinn was perhaps as near as Obi-Wan Kenobi's age when he was in A New Hope. However, he wore the same costume design Obi did in The Phantom Menace and he looks just as sleek, fast, and daring as Obi. However, Qui-Gon may have looked fast but he wasn't. On the other hand, Obi-Wan Kenobi in A New Hope for all we know died because he let it be. With his age, he had become a great master and he was probably hiding more that we can ever imagine (hell when he died, he was still appearing here and there!) but he certainly looked weak in A New Hope and that's not just because he had wrinkles on his face. His costume inside and out looked very sluggish in A New Hope than when compared to the better Chinese version in The Phantom Menace.
Ray: "Wut is even more intriguing is that Ralph and Doug have been known to work closely together during the design phase and so the original Obi look had been slowly transformed to a chinese look. " Ralph McQuarrie retired from the bussiness, the only access Dough had to McQuarrie was through his paintings.
Sender: No, I am pretty sure that they have become good friends and they analyze each others paintings regardless of whether or not Ralph retired (this isn't construction work). Furthermore, Doug tries to live up to Ralph's paintings through their simple presence, objectiveness, vivid colors, and realism that they convey for Star Wars which isn't too sci-fi but rather with an Earthly feel. Doug may have drawn from his Chinese culture (or Chinese culture research from a simple library) to give Star Wars a historical feel to the Jedi from Chinese origins. What Doug Chiang does not do is copy Ralph McQuarrie for his designs and for obvious reasons, this is the prequel trilogy we are talking about and from what I have seen, there has been very little continuity in terms of design in The Phantom Menace in regards to the original trilogy and I hope it remains that way.
Ray: This is not about pride, it's about customs. Doug confessed he knows very little from the Chinese culture, because he is an U.S. citizen and never been to china or anything.
Sender: You don't have to go there in order to be educated about such a culture or any other culture for that matter.
Ray: I think it is pretty obvious you have issues against the Japanese culture, and that my friend, is what we call R-A-C-I-S-M.
Sender: I am not, I simply call it as I see them.
Ray: But you still say you're not racist...how about comments like these, from your previews email "DARTH VADER AND POSSIBLY QUI-GON JINN BECAUSE THEY BOTH SIT DOWN ON THE FLOOR AND MEDITATE TOO MUCH.
Sender: There is a Japanese word for such meditation when you kneel down like that. Something like Hama-kiri.
Ray: Further, you said, "OH AND LOOK AT MASTER QUI-GON JINN'S BEARD, THAT DEFINITELY LOOKS JAPANESE. JUST GO TO THE GETTYSBURG MUSEUM AND YOU WILL SEE JAPANESE PORCELEIN ART AND SCULPTURES FEATURING JAPANESE NATIVE MEN HAVING GROTESQUE AND BUSHY BEARDS AS WELL AS SUPER LONG HAIR THAT THEY NEVER WASH. "
Sender: That is definitely true. The Japanese were strict as hell in the Shogunate days 1590-1750. They didn't wash their hair and they grew bushy beards as a sign of masculinity.
I do admit that I rant but it is only for Star Wars that I do this since Star Wars is perhaps the only thing that uses a lot of historical background in its making and I can't help but feeling held back when people just falsify the truth for everyone else. I vent the truth sooner or later.
Ray: Star Wars shouldn't be tainted with the subject of race.
Sender: Star Wars would not be the same were it not for the history and the different cultures that numerous races have created over time. If you create something totally bizarre for Star Wars, it wouldn't look Star Wars. It would look too far-fetched like Babylon 5 or Star Trek.
Ray: I am glad you are proud of being of Chinese heritage, just don't take out your shortcomings as a person with other races.
Sender: You can call me a racist China-man all you want but I respect all races, cultures, and the whole human race. But it should be intrinsic for anyone to sense whether someone is just being egocentric or just telling it like it really is.
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May 29, 2001 5:33:38 PM CDT
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