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The Real Latest From Christopher Nolan on a 3rd film in his BATMAN series...
Hey folks, Harry here... Ok - it is evident that the entire world wants to know the status of the third BATMAN film by Christopher Nolan. Well, the latest came out in a Dark Knight BD Live chat which is described below - but the big break is... "We learned that Nolan has been exploring the story of a third film with David Goyer. Other than that slip, there was NOTHING in terms of news about a possible third film. " So at this point - Nolan is exploring the 3rd story, but he went on to say that he had a lot of projects on his plate. And Alan Horn told Collider where Alan told Steve that basically the project was in Nolan's hands and whenever he had his story down, they'd do it. He also told Frosty that he felt GREEN LANTERN would be the next DC / Warner Superhero on screen. Here's the BD LIVE break down from JJ
Hey, I didn't see anything on AICN about the Dark Knight BD Live yet, so I figured I'd chime in. This exclusive event was offered to 100,000 people over BD Live and went down tonight at 6pm.
What a waste of time. I must have misread the description of the event, because I figured it'd be like the Favreau/Downey live commentary at the Aero a few months back for "Iron Man." I figured it would be Chris Nolan sitting for two hours to talk to fans about his film. What interests him, what he is proud of, funny stories about this scene, the things that make commentaries worth listening to.
Nope.
Instead, the BD Live commentary was a chatroom-ish box on the top of the screen. I understand the need for a moderator, since Nolan cant answer a barrage of questions from the 100,000 viewers, but the moderator chose generally stupid and uninteresting questions. For example, when the dog bites Batman at the beginning of the film, someone asked "Did Bale really get bitten by a dog?" Of course, the answer was "no." He was also asked if he likes "Star Wars," which he does. Aren't you glad to know that little tidbit? I'm quite certain that if there is a transcript of the event, interesting material covers no more than a page and a half.
Stupid questions aside, there were a few highlights. Someone proposed and is now engaged. Harvey Dent is DEAD. We learned that Nolan has been exploring the story of a third film with David Goyer. Other than that slip, there was NOTHING in terms of news about a possible third film.
I cant really remember all of the specific pros of the event, but here are a few that I recall:
- the sticky bomb gun is completely fictional
- When Gordon is appointed commissioner, Heath Ledger improvised the clapping.
- Long hair for the Joker was Ledger's idea.
- The flipping truck had teeth in front to dig into the ground and help it flip straight over
- The end monologue was written by Nolan late in pre-production, although is was one of the first things conceived.
- Nolan has no idea who the five people killed by Two Face are, because when he was asked, he refused to answer, saying something like "I'll answer that one day, but not today."
Overall, it was not worth the two and a half hours it lasted. Nolan seemed really uninterested, offering (for the most part) vague and simple answers. He rarely got in-depth about how something was achieved, or what he felt about a certain scene, etc. I was, and still am, very disappointed. For those of you who missed it, don't lose any sleep. It was not a missed opportunity.
-JJ
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Because, you know, that rumor sounded TOTALLY legit...
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with BD Live
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already. He's as sick of talking about it as Bruce Campbell is of talking about Evil Dead 4. Next thing you know, he'll be telling you to get a life.
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Is blu ray?
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Damn your eyes with your snappy answers!
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About TDK anymore? Fucking good movie and all, but we've all seen it twice if not more. I think that'll do for the next ten years or so.
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I hear the Wayans Bros are on board for BM 3. LOL!
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for Bluray. Or Blu ray, BluRay? Whatever. BD sounds like "bowel deposit." What's wrong with just calling it Bluray? Even BRD would be better.
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Geez, event must've been even worse than it sounded.
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In Soviet Blu-Ray the disc owns YOU!
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Dec 19, 2008 1:40:18 AM CST
Who the fuck cares when AVATAR is fucking our eyeballs in 2009?
by motoko kusanagi
nofuckingbody
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Nothing like a potential drug overdose to boost the ratings.
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You guys are pissing me off now. Just shut up about Avatar till we see ANYTHING that actually tells us about the film.
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"A third Batman outing? Hrrrm...never occurred to me, rawlly..."
Same egotistical shit that turned a no-brainer like THE HOBBIT into a fucking ordeal. Shit or get off the pot, Nolan... -
But so does the moderator!
Fair enough, maybe Nolan is burnt out on TDK, but what does he expect?
People love his Batman flicks, so it's all they wanna hear.
They sure as shit don't wanna talk about the fucking prestige!!!
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Is aeons better than TDK.
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They asked really terrible questions...
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Totally agree - complete waste of time. Just those idiotic questions - the star wars one got me too and then all those ones every time some actor came on the screen "why did you pcik him" or "wasn;t he good in it" all self answering questions cos hes not going to say "what a dick that guy was" In fact the he did seem to perk up whenever imax and camera questions were asked but not much- then he had to pee half way through and again near the end or something - total shit really - wish I hadnt associated it in my head now with such a great film. Will keep away from these things in the future.
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That'll be AMAZING!!
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BLASPHEMER!!! May Lord Jimbo unleash one of his Magical Lightstorm Lightning Bolts, and fry you into crispy woodland critter charcoal!McCameron's... Over 1 billion eyeballs fucked.
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Yup, it's Dec. 19th!
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keeping this close to his chest suggests that it could be a possible plot point for the next film in which they are 'exploring' story lines.
Why else wouldn't he comment? When else in the future would he get to address it?
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What a chameleon he was.
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Nipples on Transformers. Sucka dick
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Is it really such a mystery who Harvey Dent killed? I'll have to watch again to refresh my memory, but I think he killed the old gray haired cop in the bar and Eric Robert's driver, which also killed Eric Roberts due to the car crashing. That's 3 and I think Gordon said two of them were cops. I seem to remember he let the female cop involved in his betrayal live due to the coin toss, but I figure he must have killed one of the other crooked cops. Like I say, I'll have to rewatch to be sure, but I thought it showed him kill 5 people, but whether it did or not, we know of at least 3. I didn't get any feeling from Gordon's mention of the killings that there was any significance or mystery about it. It just set up the "Batman's now the bad guy" plot point because he will take the blame.
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doesn't even have the BD-Live stuff on it. I was looking forward to being able to watch this with a friend across the country but apparently our dark knight blu-ray isn't allowed to do that. It just has an online section in the extra features that you can't select, it's there, just grayed out. So even if i wanted to join the chat i couldn't. I'm hoping there'll be an update in the future but overall i fin warner home video releases to be extremely laking in any good extra content, well in Australia anyway.
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You simply do not have the intellect to operate at our level
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the "realism" treatment? Thereby stripping it of all wonder...
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Damn You Michael Bay
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Wuertz: Policeman in the bar
Maroni and Maroni's Driver
Cop in the Hospital: [cause no one knew the Joker was there]
and the 5th person is Harvey Dent himself, because he was dead at the time when Gordon said it. "5 dead, 2 of them cops." -
The Wayne parents. He went back in time, killed them, and then came forward in time.
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Not sure about this. The whole building was blown up, who could tell if he was killed by the explosion or by bullets?
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Slade vs Bats would own, but a ManBat aerial battle would kick ass even more so.
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he was so cruelly robbed when he made A Knights Tale.
Oh wait, no, that fucking sucked balls.
Maybe he learned how to be a crazy schizoid by taking lots of drugs and watching the Olsen twins on a regular basis. God knows that would drive me fucking nuts.
Give him the Oscar, if only so the person accepting it on his behalf can say something like "We know who killed him, you skinny bitch." It'll be even more controversial than a Michael Moore win.
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The two cops Joker killed in his dress up visitation (because nobody knows that Joker visited Dent because the Hospital was almost completely evacuated), the old cop in the bar, Sal Maroni and his driver.
I really don't know whats so tough to figure out about that. -
how Judge Sirillo (spelled that right? No? Don't care) died. Yeah, I know her car gets blown to bits, but I don't get the thingy with the envelope which says "up". She looks up and the car goes boom. What was there? A Bomb that would go of by retina scanning her eyes? Don't think so. If someone can explain that I'll be glad.
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for 100.000 people??
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is almost hip in some internet forums. Face it... he did a great job with the role. End of story you little Jack Nicholson fanboys.
I didn't liked him in other movies but as Joker he was great.
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I thought it served as a punchline to the cops telling her: "Get in the car and open the envelope. It'll tell you where you're going."
But maybe I imagined a punchline where there isn't one. Hard to tell with the dryness of the Joker's humor. -
One year from the night my eyeballs will lose their virginity to Cameron's 3-D roofies.
Of course, I'm thinking the clamor to see the movie will compel Cameron and Fox to release a few days earlier (a la Transformers from July 4th, to the 3rd, tho the 2nd.) That is, of course, provided the movie actually ships out to theatres in time. Cameron usually works to the last possible nanosecond tweaking his movies.
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Please just hire Geoff Johns to write it. Please?
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Harvey Dent CANNOT kill Eric Roberts, nothing can kill Eric Robertslogistically though, if Dent had time to shoot the driver,open the door and jump out, it provided time for Maroni to buckle up. The car also did not do the traditionally Hollywood 'blow up' so maroni could easily have survived
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Dec 19, 2008 5:27:13 AM CST
It's not wit, it's fuckwit. And at least Nolan's not Baz "Fabulo
by paulseta
The real handclaps should really go out to the fact that Nolan left Australia as a film-maker... a country where the film system is so corrupt that it takes one's breath away.
Amazing thing about Australia is that one has to use extreme caution in talking about almost anything, as our defamation laws are so powerful (we do not have a charter of human rights, let alone a quality constitution) that we cannot say anything about anyone without having documentary level proof - and yet, you can't actually tape anything without the permission of the party being taped. Fun times for all who would dearly love to expose a few "dears' of the Aussie film train (get on board, if you know the right people you'll be fine.... darrrrrrling).
Oh, and Lurman is the Paul Hogan of our times, except, well... not that there's anything.. hmm. -
Dec 19, 2008 5:47:12 AM CST
No one knows the Joker was at the hospital?
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
Except for the smoking rubble of what's left of the hospital, that is.Batman knows, since the Joker told him. Therefore Gordon would automatically know because TDK characters are inexplicably linked by telepathy so no actual conversations take place other than exposition.
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The Joker manages to kill him instantly by putting a knife in his mouth.
There is a crude cut there which is pretty glaring.
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he announces he's going to blow up a hospital on the news (you know it was mentioned a few times and was a big part of the plot) so no, people wouldn't have assumed he was in it. Generally if you want to blow up a hospital and live yourself, you do it from a safe distance. He used it as a diversion so he could get to Harvey and release him for his reign of terror - no one would have guessed he was in there freeing him. Pay attention next time.
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well the two cops warning her knew about the bomb based on their blah-ness to the explosion behind them. i think they even smile. so if they knew, chances are they set it up so they might have had a detonator with em. or its just one of those "only in the movies" moments.
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I think Blu-Ray is going to be a short-lived technology. I think there is going to be a quicker move to the media box (computer) and having your movies downloaded versus purchasing physical discs anymore. My 2 cents.
Anyway, although it sounds like this particular event was a bust, I am excited at the concept of being able to download additional supplemental material for a movie after a move has been released. This would eliminate the need for multiple releases of the same movie. How many special editions of Silence of The Lambs have there been? Now, you buy one, and then if they release the writer's grandmother's commentary, you can just download it. So, it's dissapointing that the ROI wasn't there last night, but I see it as a positve step in the right direction. -
I don't see why they couldn't just pin the murders on The Joker. Just thought I'd throw that out there since it's a TDK thread.As for Blu-Ray, I see it being about as successful as LaserDisk. Although I don't know about the download thing. We're a long way from there broadwidth-wise. And I for one want a physical medium I know that I can play in ten years and not a bunch of ones and zeroes that can be wiped outwith a magnet.
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Eric Roberts can never die, as evident by Best of the Best 5: Eric Can't Die.
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While I'm no expert when it comes to blowing up a hospital, I would assume in order to blow up said hospital, you would have to, at one point, be in it.If you want to talk assumptions (which TDK relies on), if I were to see The Joker on the news saying he will blow up a hospital, I would assume that it was he who was doing it, not henchmen or anyone else. Therefore if it subsequently blew up, I would assume that it was The Joker who was at the hospital, planting the bombs, and blowing it up.Did I say that he would be in the hospital when it blew up? No. Pay attention next time.
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the last thing they said to here was 'open the envelope, it will tell you where you are gonna go'
(or something like that)...
so it could have meant heaven, sarcastically, or that she was about to go 'up' in flames. how the joker would know what the last words the cops would say is, kinda slim though. there were lots of dirty cops that did errands for the joker though. he didn't get his hands into much. how did the card get in her court papers? how did the envelope get tampered with? he had all kinds of help, most by bribery, that's how. he used everyone against each other. -
Seriously? Did anyone actually think that Nolan wasn't exploring stories? His first two Batman movies were smash hits he'd be one of the dumbest people in Hollywood if he didn't look into it. That doesn't mean he'll find something he likes and that he feels would be a good third movie for his trilogy that's the question. He should but like we've been reading here I don't think we'll hear anything concrete any time soon.
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Could Two-Face be alive? Soooo stupid if he isn't. Fuck, only idiots get to ask questions like if the dog really bit Bale... fucking retards
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If Gordon thinks Dent killed the two cops in the hospital and the cop in the bar, why did he say 'Five dead, TWO of them cops?' I reckon Gordon failed maths at school.
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Misread that - thought you meant that because the building blew up, people must have assumed he was in it at the time. That pay attention thing now makes me look silly but I'm going to defend myself by saying I did to the movie but not to this sea of talkback posts lol.
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It's early.
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letting somebody else write it.
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Hospital. They don't know about Wurtz yet.
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...or WB will hire somebody else to do it based on notes from marketing execs - hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the Eddie Murphy/Shia Lebouf rumors weren't leaked by Warner suits trying to get their silly ideas into the public consciousness.
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if, "It's a lion!"?
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Dec 19, 2008 7:37:52 AM CST
AICN: MILITANT ABOUT KNOWING NOTHING ABOUT BATMAN III
by rickey henderson
Lighten up Harry, zany casting rumors are what makes this site fun. Yeah, TDK was great, just a terrific movie, but we don't need to treat the property like it's the ark of the covenant. Calm down with the breathless denying of rumors already. You're like some sort of geek mother hen.
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if nolan is keeping mum about it, and none of us can figure it out, and this is a movie that really tried to capture dent's downfall as much as it could quickly, i just think either it was a flub of writing- or they intended to shoot more but didn't, or something was cut for time.and i'm tired of heaing that there are no lost scenes or outtakes in this beast.
that's why right now i only own the basic edition. in sixth months- or maybe even after the theater re-release, i bet there will be a 'definitive' box with outtakes.
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Obviously.
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I agree with zom-bot: there's missing info. For example: if Marone and his driver were both killed by Dent, how would anyone know? Did Marone survive long enough to say 'It was Dent' before expiring? There are gaps. The 5 is a number that can't be calculated without the gaps, so there's no point in trying to calculate it.
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GL writes it self. First movies involves the madness of Coast City destroyed. Then Alex Stewart anf Kyle Rayner in the second and third movies. Sin off would be the Sinestro corps and their battles. I would want to see properly done aliens in this no CGI. Have creature effects done by Jin henson workshop or the guys who done the troll market in Hellboy2.
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Dec 19, 2008 7:59:11 AM CST
Fuck you Nolan. WB should hire another director who...
by leafar the lost
...actually gives a damn. Get someone better than Nolan. Bryan Singer would be better at this point. I guess WB's money isn't good enough for you.
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Just get DAVID FINCHER. He'll make a better movie that's darker, with more intelligence and more style. Nolan doesn't own Batman.
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...you know it.
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...and killed two members of "The Flying Graysons".
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I mean story-wise. He's not the criminal that he is in the comics. He just went nuts and killed people to avenge Rachael. So what more would he have to do? Not to mention the fact that even in a comic book world he couldn't survive that fucked up face for more than a couple days.
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When he refuses the skin grafts, Dent is signing his own death warrant. Skin exists for a reason: it keeps infections from entering your body. He'd live for a week, tops -- maybe a little longer if he stayed in the hospital and they pumped him full of antibiotics. But he wasn't long for the world.
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I insist that Two-Face is alive and that only Harvey Dent is dead just to keep him as Gotham's White Knight. I also think yes the cop killings will be a major plot point in the second film and exonerate Bats as the Gotham Villian, because the cops Dent left alive will obviously tell the press that Dent turned Two-face (i.e. Ramirez, who he only punched in the face). There are still lots of holes in TDK that I believe will be filled with the 3rd and final Bat film. Hopefully they can fill in some of the smaller bits in another Gotham Knight??
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Geoff Johns' GREEN LANTERN: REBIRTH, GREEN LANTERN: THE SINESTRO CORPS WAR and the upcoming GREEN LANTERN: THE BLACKEST NIGHT.
Hell, it's already storyboarded if you follow the trade paperbacks.
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You don't know much about Hollywood, do you?
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Overall the questions which Nolan answer were lame. However the highlight for me was the Wedding proposal and acceptance.
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But they only let through the lame one about whether he was surprised about the box office reception. Yeah, he was.
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that was not! my! dog!
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jeezus, what a geeky way to get married and waste everyone else's time.
'it was soooo sweet, my boyfriend, darknite247, proposed to me over the nolan q&a session. i peed a little, and said yes. it was the best day i have ever spent in front of my computer in the other room from my live in boyfriend ever!' -
perfect casting.
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I agree, super dorky. But unique.
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I liked his style. No hyperbole about how when he was a kid, he had a tonka truck and somehow he links that to whatever he is reviewing. This guy gets straight to the point, writes in complete sentences, and is funny to boot.About the interview:One of the best scenes in the movie was when Gordon was announced as commissioner.Nolan was probably bored because the questions were stupid. I mean they led off with "was Bale really bitten by a dog", what would you do?
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the questions were shit!!!I dont blame Nolan I would get tired of answering stupid question also. Also for the comment about David Fincher doing a better job. He has writers that come up with his smart ideas. And whats more style??? A steady cam shot that goes up batmans asshole. Fincher is a good director but Nolan is just as good and he writes most of his own shit!!!
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I blame the lame ass people with lame ass questions.
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high grossing movie and doesn't even seem excited.. somebody should kick him in the balls
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One cop in the hospital (not two) Dent is believed dead so now we have two. The cop in the bar makes 3. Maroni and his driver are 2 more- that equals 5. Get it together peoples
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Do some of you ever have that moment of clarity where you realize just how fucking stupid you are? Granted, there is now a segment of cunts who feel the need to deride this film and Ledger because they are just that fucking cool, but the fact that some of you are taking Nolan's lack of enthusiasm over a stupid Blueray gimmick so seriously is pathetic, even for you guys. Did it ever occur to you dipshits that this man has lived, breathed and eaten Batman for the last two years and maybe needs a respite? Did you clueless shits also not happen to glance at a calander and realize were are only a few days away from Christmas? That perhaps this man wants to chill and spend some time with family? Nolan doesn't owe you shit. He made a movie and you can love it or hate it but the man has more talent in his last bowel movement than the collective lot of you loud-mouthed retail clerks have in your entire bodies. What a bunch of loud, arrogant cunts.
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Harvey killed Maroni's bodyguard quickly offscreen(1), then Maroni and the driver(3), he also got Wurtz(4) and then I guess it was assumed he killed the cop at the hospital.(5.) But Bats was framed for killing Dent as well, so maybe Harvey was in that count,not the hospital cop.
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Don't be so angry man. Just keep reading those funny books.
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-if they did, that is- a two face vigilanye rampage being cleaned up at the beginning of pt 3 would have been nice. and it would have been nice if they had made a bigger deal of it than the meager scarecrow opener. two face as a character, and harvey as a character arc, deserves better.and they made no biggie about the fact that it was batman himself that clumsily killed him. did he really need to take him over the side of a building? batman spent the entire movie disarming criminals in quick succession, close quarters, but the only manuever he can think of with harvey is to lunge and push him off a building? please. and don't tell me he was still blinded from his sonar gear fucking up, because then he ran and got on his bike just fine. i love TDK but it was just a cheap way out.also, did anyone who has watched their dvd or blu-ray notice that in the opening bank investigation scenes, bales bat-voice was more noticably synthesized than when you saw it in the theater? i think they remastered it after all the knocks it took from fans and critics. they really seem to be trying to explain that he has some voice modulator/diguiser built into his suit. it's a solid idea, but they still don't do it well. some badmask busts for sale show in better detail, the 'speaker' built into the neck work.
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If they ignore everything that's going on in GL and GL Corps at the moment and produce some spoofy, comedy version of Green Lantern I will be fucking sick. The chance to make a big sci-fi comic book movie is there.
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pushin up daisies he is!
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Dec 19, 2008 9:59:33 AM CST
Nolans cock must taste like cotton candy
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
Because TheLastCleric will not stop sucking it.
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Nolan is too busy swimming in his olympic size pool full of money to give a shit about a chat room
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Um, I for one don't believe Nolan owes me anything. For that matter, I don't really want anything from him. I would like there to be a third film, and I would like him to be attached just to try and hold on to some of the visual continuity, although continuity proved to not be of high priority in the making of the second film anyway. I would like Warner to try and force another writer into the project. I'm tired of these talented directors being lionized as if they can do no wrong. It always...ALWAYS...comes back to bite audiences (the people for whom the film is made) in the ass. If Nolan is having trouble visualizing how he could become emotionally attached or otherwise excited about the project, maybe he needs somebody (not his brother) to assist. That being said, nobody wants an inferior product to be pushed through the works, either. They should just go ahead and pick a release date now. Either Christmas 2010 or Independence of Memorial Day 2011. The latter being more likely.
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Her powers include shitting crack, spitting stds, singing pretty well, and self-destructing.
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but not shia.
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seems stupid to me... Batman characters don't die... and two-face was GREATLY under-developed... real shame!
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in the script, it says: broken neck. Dead. But, I suppose he could be in a deep coma int he basement of Arkham. Still, not a good idea to bring him back with the amount of infection he suffered. Joker, on the other hand, should definitely be included in Bat 3. Even if the character is stuck in Arkham, or on trail and found insane, Joker and Batman deserve a great exchange in the next film.
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There are two cops in the hospital. If we assume that Gordon is including them, and doesn't know about Wurtz, how is it 5 people? My only guess is:
The two cops at the hospital, Maroni, Maroni's driver, Maroni's bodyguard, and he doesn't know about Wurtz. That feels a little contrived but is the only one that seems to hold water to me. -
A DA with a split personality. Waay better than a vengence-driven pretty-man
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agreed. and i was hoping they would sort of mention dent havng an abusive or strict father like they did in the cartoon. all we got was 'it was my dad's lucky coin'...but when dent was two face, and would just yell/snap- it was gooood, and reminded me of the animated series. i think we can all agree, it was sorely underdeveloped.
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the phrases "fucking your eyeballs" in reference to Avatar, or "raped my childhood" in reference to anything?
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was what I found hardest to believe when I first saw the movie. There were a lot of other aspects I thought didn't work or that I didn't like, but that was the big WTF that led me down the long and bitter road with regard to the film.
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I'm also tired as hell of reading:
"pwned"- I had to google this one, since I've never been that into video games.
"hater"- Good God, can people stop using this one. Please. PLEASE.
And as for an uninterested Nolan... can you blame the guy? his life must be like reading these talkbacks times 100. Answering the same damn rabid fanboy questions ad nauseum, probably on the street every day and night, who's gonna be cast as what, what did Heath smell like, blah blah blah... I just got TDK on DVD. Not even the special edition anything. I just wanna watch the movie. I don't wanna know anymore about how they did what or what who was feeling when he walked in or almost ate it or whatnot. I'm still a stickler for widescreen, though, despite my wife's eye-rolling. Let my grumpy old man years begin!
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Hey man, it's me Espy from the old PVP boards... let me know if you see this. We set up a new shop at halforum. Be nice to see you around!
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HIT OF THE YEAR!
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He just poured everything into making a film that was dark and gritty. When Ledger immersed himself in that world, he had trouble getting out. You can argue he never got out. Nolan not only had to immerse himself in that world even longer, but had to continue his immersion after Ledger's death, for which maybe Nolan feels a little responsible. Maybe Nolan is a little burned out, and not overtly eager to jump back into that place in his life again.
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Wurtz, Maroni, Maroni's driver, and Dent himself. Unless I'm mistaken I think the "5 deaths" were attributed to Batman and not Harvey, so the newly-dead Dent would have to count as one of them. I don't know who the final death would be; somebody said one of the cops in the hospital, but they left Dent alone to help with the other patients so that doesn't seem likely to me.
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made me realize that dent never actually even completely became two face in this movie. He went from being really good, to being bad. He didn't have that split personality issue at all. That's... interesting, that I never noticed that.Still love the movie, but yeah, Two-Face more than anything definitely could've been handled better.
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Please tell me this movie does not exist. Sadly, I've actually watched the first 3 movies, and the third was really terrible.
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Someone else already mentioned it. One of the deaths is Maroni's bodyguard, who gets pulled aside before Maroni gets in the car (and Dent then takes his place). The bodyguard, maroni, maroni's driver, and Wurtz are probably four of the dead, and the 5th could just be Ramirez, who maybe is just missing since Dent knocked her out, and assumed dead, since Dent killed all those other people.
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the "up" letter was a joke, because the cops told her that the paper contained where she was going. and since the car was going to explode, she'd be going "up"...just the Joker's cruel humor in the last moments before someone died...
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seriously why do they even make standard format stuff- unless it's a televison show on dvd. i can count how many times i grab a copy of something and then get to the checkout before i realize i am holding the standard version, and they strategically put some rebate or upc offer decal over the word 'standard'.
when i lay down money to buy a flick, i want the whole fucking picture. i think most everyone's tv's are now so immense that even a short wide screen shot is still big enough to see.i like my black bars, i'm just saying. i can't imagine ownig TDK in standard, pan n scan-o-vision. -
She may be counted amongst the dead if she disappeared after. But Dent must count as one of those deaths. If she is then she may pop up in part 3 and confess about Dent, thus clearing Batman's name. I doubt it though, since WB will now think dark is what makes these movies sell. (You can make things get a little better for Bats and still tell a good story.)
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I just want to see the new Batcave, Batmobile and Wayne Manor back in place. Bats need to be the efficent, no nonsense ready for anything bad ass now that he has been trumped by Joker.
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you guys are all wrong. eric roberts is so bad-ass they had to kill him twice.
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or maybe we are overlooking the obvious here...
maroni,driver,old cop at bar....and then harvey AND two-face himself.i would only buy that if they expressed the split personality...god damn it i wish they had. it's so much more satisfying to have the villains each represent a different psychosis.also, anybody catch what happened to the bartender? guess he was still safe in the bathroom. where the fuck was harvey hiding in the bar though so that they wouldn't cross paths? -
I agree with you zom-bot, Eckhart's yelling added to the desperation of the character. The line: "I wouldn't?!?!" was my favorite snap-moment, but when he said "...no, that's why I'm not going to leave it up to me" I am just going to have to imagine him slipping into a split personality there.
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I mean it's Nolan's movie and he determines what the characters are like but there was no split personality with Dent. He just used the coin to tell him what he could and couldn't do. It wasn't as horrendously lame as Tommy Lee Jones (or should I say Shumacker)'s version but it wasn't true to the character. I guess it's a hard character to write for in any sort of semi-believable way.
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Classic Xbox + XBMC (plays any format) upscales to HD, streaming media via CCX from my 1.5TB storage device accessible from my MAC or PC. I use a Ps3 for Blu-Ray
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he would deserve his own movie and origin story, going back to his childhood, and him growing up respectable trying to be a better man- the opposite man- than his father...but when the shit hits the fan he becomes the monster (or genetic mental disposition)he tucked inside for so long. it would have been great to know his dad was a wrathful, abusive gambler or something. it would explain the lucky coin. it could have been the only good memory he kept of his dad when he had his good moments, childhood coin tricks- behind the ear, etc...fuck we need to write this stuff.
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Ya know, the bartender that went to take a leak and then Harvey sidles up on the bar to shoot Officer Wurtz(?). Ya think he heard the gunshot and investigated and...? Let's not forget Maroni's bodyguard that Harvey takes out right as Maroni is getting into the limo. Maybe he terminated him too. Ramirez got cold cocked by Harvey and is probably knocked out but Gordon wouldn't know that yet.
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Nevertheless, I tried to help you people.
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I agree that wide-screen is tops, and I also have seen someone screw up and buy a full-screen film by mistake. I was at a friend's house a couple of months ago and saw that he had a new, unopened copy of the recent "Ghost Rider" film (he buys all comic book related films, no matter how crappy). he had just picked it up from Wal Mart's bargain bin. The first thing that I noticed was that it was the full-screen version, but I didn't bother saying anything about it because he has a 4:3 tube television and I assumed that he bought full-screen for that reason. A bit later, he started unwrapping the package and suddenly exclaimed something like "Goddammit, I bought the fucking full-screen version!". Too late for him and his sad, unwrapped movie.
With that said, I used to own both the full-screen and the wide-screen versions of the VHS tape release of "Natural Born Killers". The wide-screen version was a crop of the full-screen version with the top and bottom of the picture missing. I don't know if this was due to intentional matting of the original print or if they just cheaped out and chopped it off that way. -
i just wiki'd two face and found out about his father issues. i don't even know that from the comics, which only goes to show how it's an obvious history, and a rich one they could have mined from.
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I sort of want to know that. Or is it 100% good-natured? I mean, his pants would prevent the fire getting to his cock, right?
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flame on, but you know it to be true.
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i was just thinking -two simple lines, in key places, would have been enough to help harvey's tragic arc.
when rachel first coyly asks harvey about his coin, he could have softly said 'rachel i told you all about my father. i keep this to remind me that i can choose to be a different man than he was.then later, with the police truck scene, when he tosses her the coin to keep, he could have said 'i know who i am now. i make my own luck'two lines, nolans..something similar to that would just give enough indication of an abusive childhood and how he reverts to becoming his wrathful father. -
...so can DC. Joker, played by yours truly, as a math whiz with a greedy streak. Makes his bones cheating at poker games, til he crosses the wrong guy and gets carved up. He loses everything, including his mind. 2 Face: What Zom-Bot said
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go and read the summaries on the TDK board on IMDB, 90% of the people there say it was great, and they like and respect Nolan *MORE* after it. This guy is the exception, not the norm.
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in the gambol murder scene, one of the street thugs pretending to bring in the dead joker has very particularly detailed corn rows (resembling the scale pattern along the tops of crocs/gators) and an olive green surplus jacket. at one point on imdb and in the spoilers, there was going to be a thug named 'croc' in a scene with gambol. it's no longer listed on imdb. i wonder if this street thug was their nod to acknowledging killer croc in some way.
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Dec 19, 2008 2:00:08 PM CST
Croc, Zsasz, Mr Reese, and other hidden villains...
by joker gordon levitt
I'll bet the chick that shot Chill was named Selina Kyle.
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why WOULDN'T they put her? Rachel's gone, and the only other love interests are Poison Ivy and Talia. Although I wouldn't mind seeing Talia.
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..hmm, i don't think dselina would kill or work for the mob, but i always thought that blonde hitgirl sounded very brooklyn/jersey...kind of like a certain girl named Harleen...
i also feel 'Mr. Reese' being a nosy,sneaky, investigative blackmailing accountant was also their only acknowledgement to a plausible riddler. i really don't think we will get a riddler in pt.3if we do, i hope he's a mysterious social terrorist ala se7en or the unabomber. an opposite of the joker of sorts in that he never wants to show his face in grandeur or public broadcast. the cops could even dub him a 'god damned joker copycat' at first which angers him, so he starts signing things off as the riddler, or is dubbed that by the press. -
I like it. Tilda Swinton?
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is merely proof of it's greatness. Is anyone still talking about Indy? Hellboy? NO. The only other genre film from 2009 that gets any chatter is Iron Man, also an excellent movie. People will be discussing Dark Knight for a very long time, and the very long shadow it casts may delay Nolan's return. I hope that's not the case, but it will be a daunting task to top DK.
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no origins, no flashbacks, just a tense crime drama centering on a vigilante being pushed to the edge.
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Is there honestly ANYONE that is believing for one second that Nolan WON'T direct Batman 3? PUHLEASE! I love Nolan, but this Lucas-esque stalling and feigning disinterest is just silly. It may not be his next film, but oh yes he will direct it and oh yes he is certainly contemplating the story as we speak. This same shit happened after Batman Begins and we had years of rumors (Ra Za Ghul's daughter? Harley Quinn?) before the real stuff started. I can't wait for B3, but I won't even entertain any of these rumors at least for another year. However, Nolan should be a bit more greatful to the franchise that rightfully made him a rich man!
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Dec 19, 2008 3:47:14 PM CST
If I was Nolan and I was stuck in a TB, I'd be uninterested
by iammrmonkey!
Can you imagine the awfulness of it? You're Christopher Nolan, you've spent a year of your life designing and filming this movie, and then you have someone like Media Messiah screaming "The Spirit is better than The Dark Knight!" at you.I bet he grabbed his paycheck and ran like Batman.
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Go suck walt disney's dead dick you souless c*nt. If Murphy is ever considered then I will put a jihad on Hollywood.
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Jim Cameron is bringing you interplanetary war!
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I hope you are fucking kidding! Nolan has more talent in his nutsack then Singer does in his whole body. We dont need him to fuck up a 3rd super hero franchise.
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Tell me if I'm wrong. Gordon's men were coming, Gordon makes a point to say that they don't know what happened here yet. What would be easier - blaming it on the Joker and getting ALL of the police force to keep it under wraps. Or blaming it on Batman, who was obviously the only one there aside from Gordon's family and Two-Face, and then not having to have ALL of the police corroborate on it and keep it on the down low.
The Joker was in custody, so getting the whole police force to make up a story and keep it under wraps would be difficult.
Batman, however, is supposed to be a vigilante anyway. With the killing of Dent, the grays that make Batman a moral question are less and he becomes a CLEAR enemy. It further strengthens the idea that Harvey Dent's fight on crime is the right way - something Wayne wanted the city to see anyway.
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Dec 19, 2008 4:37:55 PM CST
We're all better off putting a Batman sequel out of our minds.
by orbots commander
The way Nolan is sounding, another Bat-flick will be, at the VERY LEAST, three years away, if not more if Nolan directs a non-Batman movie in the interim. If I were a betting man, I'd say that we won't see a hint of another Bat flick until the time of the next Presidential election.
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Place yourselves in the shoes of Christopher Nolan.
You spent the better part of the last three years trying to create a film that matched the expectations of fanboys and girls everywhere of one of them most identifiable superheroes, Batman, and super villains, the Joker, not to mention the expectations he has on himself as a filmmaker. He accomplished this and a great amount more with The Dark Knight, taking the comic book/superhero genre and giving it credibility as a genre (when comparing it to Scorsese's The Departed I think this film is far more socially relevant as well as entertaining for its running time, and I like The Departed).
Now, with that in mind, the person he chose to play his interpretation of the Joker, Heath Ledger, a man Nolan came to have the utmost respect over the filming of TDK, overdoses on anxiety medication. TDK goes on to be the second most successful movie of all time, in large part due to the performance of Heath Ledger.
In all sincerity, I don't believe Nolan can even look at his bank account without thinking "This is blood money."
The Joker may not have been the only thing responsible for Heath's death, but he may have gone places during the role that you don't necessarily come back from, and Nolan may feel that he was responsible for that.
I don't blame him for wanting to step away for awhile. Hell, without the death that film had to be draining because, outside of a few witty lines, this was one Goddamn serious film.
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Blood money? Seriously? Phhbbttt. Enough with the "Playing the Joker took Ledger to dark places he may not have fully returned from" tripe. The guy was an actor, he played a part, as actors do. Romanticizing his overdose by saying he somehow harmed his mental state, going too far toward the brink of madness, chaos, DARKNESS,etc. in order to play a role in a COMIC BOOK movie, is just juvenile. In the real world, people just die. Heath Ledger just died. He mixed too many meds and cashed out early. Happens to the non-famous, why should we expect the famous to be any different? It's not some Shakespearean sacrifice of Ledger's mental health he made, so that a BATMAN (BATMAN-a man who dresses like a bat, sort of), a BATMAN movie could change the world. And to suggest Nolan might feel some responsibility is a pretty big stretch. More likely the case, he just wishes his friend hadn't died.
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That non-descript guy who Fox bitch slapped and Bruce Wayne saved, played by a no name actor is going to be the lead villain in the next film. That's just fucking genius.
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Nice thought, but there must be a very good reason for Reese to turn on Batman after he saved his ass (as Bruce Wayne) with his Lamborghini.
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a pretty cool side story for the game that had the mob put out a bounty on batman and assassins (like deadshot, firefly and deathstroke) flooded gotham to bring him down. add bane to that kind of scenario and it could be interesting. also having riddler be a really crazy genius police psychologist/investigator brought in to help track down the batman could also work in a Nolan'eque Batman 3.
I still say introducing Robin as a mechanism to help bring meaning and balance to bruce/batman's life after the loss of rachel and harvey could work.
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Dec 19, 2008 8:39:46 PM CST
Good, the Green Lantern with be a good 'pallet washer' between b
by citizin_insane
and done correctley, the green lantern could be like no other comic book film...
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Ryan Gosling for GL, directed by David Fincher!!!
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Yeah, I'm sure it went down like this:
Ledger: "Hey can I keep my long hair?"
Nolan: "I don't care..." -
...Complete with the wiping, inspection, more wiping and just-to-be-sure digging.
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But who the fuck is that guy? You gonna put his name on the poster? Checking IMDB... Ah yes, "Joshua Harto!" Top billing!
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Enough said.
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.....that my hopes are for SUPERMAN to be in Nolan's next Bat-flick. Can you imagine the news, real (as movie news) AND fictional (within the story), that a request has been made for Superman to hunt down the Batman, for his crimes?! (Awesome!!!) --Know your comic book and animation history of Superman and Batman together, as friend or foe, and KNOW the potential greatness of THE DARK KNIGHT follow-up!
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Because he's forgiven Bruce Wayne/Batman, but not Gotham City. What the Joker set out to prove... he did... to Mr. Reese.So he enacts his revenge on the masses of Gotham City and plays tricks with Batman instead of directly killing him because he doesn't have personal beef with him anymore.The only problem being that they didn't portray Reese as particularly clever or anything.
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for the Dent murders. He was in a very high profile battle for gotham's soul at the time. I imagine it would stand up in a court of law. By taking the fall Batman, stops people from investigating into the matter, who knows what they might find from loose ends (i.e. Ramirez) He does this because he knows that people will be ready to hate him anyway. It's the nature of celebrity.
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...good luck getting a movie ticket on day one (or on the first weekend, for that matter).
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for explaining the up judge cirrillo bit! it was so obvious but I didn't got it. '' going up'' .... hihi
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apparently i'm alone though. it'll be years before the third one is made. must we have one TDK talkback every week just to jack up the traffic? where's the avatar talkbacks? now, that one is approaching ever closer.
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The police guys who died in hospital by gunshot are blown into smithereens. There's no way to identify them. Wurtz was killed by Two face, and the bar owner knows about it. Would Gordon have to bribe the bar owner to shut him up? Maroni probably survived, but his driver is killed. Why would they want this to pin on Batman? Wouldn't Maroni (if he survived) and other witnesses want to testify that a half burned man left the accident site? Wouldn't Ramirez testify that Dent was on a murder spree and she lucked out?
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from someone who thought it was great: http://tinyurl.com/ayf35u
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....just Clark Kent. A Clark Kent cameo would be mind blowing because it would keep the realism that Nolan is going for, yet remind people that Bats lives in that mystical DC world. Imagine Kent (a new one and not Routh) asking the Commissioner a question during a press conference... or running into Bruce Wayne and it be implied that they know each other's secrets. Awesome. And Nolan, no hint of Robin please.
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