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SAG Awards Cast DOUBT On A Best Picture Nomination For THE DARK KNIGHT!
Beaks here...
In the interest of stirring shit up, let's all pause to excoriate the communists of the Screen Actors Guild for nominating John Patrick Shanley's Catholic-bashing DOUBT for "Best Cast" over the fine and pure THE DARK KNIGHT. Bastards. All they did was weaken a country today.
Since we all know actors comprise the largest voting bloc in the Academy (1,243 fellow travelers), this means that THE DARK KNIGHT is finished. Kaput. Stripped of all its glory. Shorn of dignity. Relegated to a footnote in film history. Its box office largess to be distributed evenly amongst the likes of SUPERMAN IV, BRENDA STARR and METEOR MAN so that its success may no longer validate you as a human being. Alvin Tostig did not, contrary to previous reports, have a son today.
The consolation prize: an expected Best Supporting Actor nomination for Heath Ledger and a seat at the little kids' table (i.e. Best Stunt Ensemble).
In case you're wondering, last year's nominees for Outstanding Performance by a Cast in a Motion Picture were NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN, AMERICAN GANGSTER, INTO THE WILD, HAIRSPRAY and 3:10 TO YUMA. Abandon all hope, KNIGHTies.
Here's the full list of movie nominees. (I'll leave the icky TV stuff to Herc).
Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in a Leading Role
Richard Jenkins - THE VISITOR
Frank Langella - FROST/NIXON
Sean Penn - MILK
Brad Pittt - THE CURIOUS CASE OF BENJAMIN BUTTON
Mickey Rourke - THE WRESTLER
Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Leading Role
Anne Hathaway - RACHEL GETTING MARRIED
Angelina Jolie - CHANGELING
Melissa Leo - FROZEN RIVER
Meryl Streep - PRIEST
Kate Winslet - REVOLUTIONARY ROAD
Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in a Supporting Role
Josh Brolin - MILK
Robert Downey, Jr. - TROPIC THUNDER
Philip Seymour Hoffman - DOGMA
Heath Ledger - THE DARK KNIGHT
Dev Patel - SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE
Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Supporting Role
Amy Adams - KILLER NUN
Penelope Cruz - VICKY CRISTINA BARCELONA
Viola Davis - THE DEVILS
Taraji P. Henson - THE CURIOUS CASE OF BENJAMIN BUTTON
Kate Winslet - THE READER
Outstanding Performance by a Cast in a Motion Picture
FROST/NIXON
MILK
SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE
THE CURIOUS CASE OF BENJAMIN BUTTON
THE POPE MUST DIE
Richard Jenkins - THE VISITOR
Frank Langella - FROST/NIXON
Sean Penn - MILK
Brad Pittt - THE CURIOUS CASE OF BENJAMIN BUTTON
Mickey Rourke - THE WRESTLER
Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Leading Role
Anne Hathaway - RACHEL GETTING MARRIED
Angelina Jolie - CHANGELING
Melissa Leo - FROZEN RIVER
Meryl Streep - PRIEST
Kate Winslet - REVOLUTIONARY ROAD
Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in a Supporting Role
Josh Brolin - MILK
Robert Downey, Jr. - TROPIC THUNDER
Philip Seymour Hoffman - DOGMA
Heath Ledger - THE DARK KNIGHT
Dev Patel - SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE
Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Supporting Role
Amy Adams - KILLER NUN
Penelope Cruz - VICKY CRISTINA BARCELONA
Viola Davis - THE DEVILS
Taraji P. Henson - THE CURIOUS CASE OF BENJAMIN BUTTON
Kate Winslet - THE READER
Outstanding Performance by a Cast in a Motion Picture
FROST/NIXON
MILK
SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE
THE CURIOUS CASE OF BENJAMIN BUTTON
THE POPE MUST DIE
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to urge SAG to stop cutting the creative community up into tiny bite-size pieces!
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but Richard Jenkins was great in The Visitor, a superb movie.
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SAG IS RUINING CHRISTMAS.
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How'd the Shield do?
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seeing as 4 out of the 5 nominees didn't make best picture last year.
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COME ON! This is BULLSHIT!
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or I'll probably never watch the Oscars again. Nomination enough will not do it justice.
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is a guy either mumbling or sounding like he's been smoking way too much it's not really surprising is it?
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wasn't that great. especially as an action film. PULL THE CAMERA BACK. LIGHT YOUR SET. etc. as for the Heath Ledger nom, put any decent actor in that make up and deliver those lines and you'll be successful. nothing special folks.
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Dec 18, 2008 1:06:06 PM CST
Maybe it was Batman's voice that "killed" its chances...
by derlanghaarige
...for a nomination for best cast. Hey, I wouldn't nominate a cast where the star speaks with a silly cartoon monster voice most of his screentime.
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You're right. Nolan can do mystery and intrigue but he can't do action.
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Dark Knight was not a Best Picture quality flick IMO. It was a wicked summer action flick with some good performances but it is not worthy of the Golden Guy for even a best pic nod let alone does it deserve to take the prize.
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...sucessful movie in the UK? (I don't think that it deserves it, but it's fun to tell every TDK fan I see, even if I don'T even live in the UK.)
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Besides the ridiculous Batman voice, TDK just wasn't that much of a big deal. Certainly not one of the highlights of my movie-going this past summer.
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As a UK resident I apologise to all serious filmgoers worldwide.
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Nolan's not bad at vehicular action. And he wouldn't be that bad with traditional action if he just simplified things. The night-vision/sonar sequence at the end would've been a decent scene if it hadn't been edited within an inch of its life and didn't actually have night-vision/sonar clouding the visuals.
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...but I think we're all confusing the geek validation that comes from a respectful treatment of a beloved character with award-worthy greatness. Sure, it's a very good movie -- possibly the best of its genre ever -- but that's still a long way from Godfather quality. Heath Ledger was easily the best Joker ever put on screen, but that doesn't necessarily make him potentially the best actor of the year. A role like The Joker is a gimmick role, no matter how you slice it. The plot holes are totally forgivable until you consider handing out statues, and then you run the risk of valuing "neato" over more accomplished cinematic achievements. Again, love TDK, but let's grow up about it.
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Seriously. It would have been nice, sure, but I am still reeling from Annie Hall beating out Star Wars. Does anyone really have any doubts now which had the bigger impact? And Pulp Fiction loses to Forrest Gump. Screw that- The Shawshank Redemption lost to Forrest Gump. That didn't diminish either movie. Oh, and how many people pop in "The English Patient"? Hey honey, what do you wanna do today? Oh I don't know lambchop, let's watch The English Patient. So in other words, this matters not.
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Every good geek knows the Oscars and all of the other maintream awards hate our genre. They despise the films we love. They are irrelevant. A quick glance at the list of best picture winners compared to the big SF/fantasy films of the same year will reveal what movies the awards people thought were great compared to the films which have truly endured and impacted the culture. The one exception was Return of the King, and by the time that cleaned up, I personally was bored by the predictability of its wins.
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Granted he's better than most of the hacks at work, but it's sometimes not clear exactly what is happening in his action sequences. I agree the editing of the sonar sequence was atrocious - I had no idea what was happening and where.
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He was the main charcter. The whole movie pace was set by his action. So even a supporting actor nom. is insulting.
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I honestly don't get how the dullard and overly long film in 'Titanic' becomes the biggest grossing film of all-time, and wins LOADS of awards because of it. Though, the film that nearly overcomes its box office reign, and is a far emotionally deeper film in TDK, with some real powerhouse performances from Ledger & Ackhart (Oldman was no slouch either), and gorgeous cinematography on top of numerous other things - gets almost completely shafted in the awards. There is no justice. Pure reason why I don't watch these shows.
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The English Patient is a masterful example of cinema art. The cinematography and editing in that film is sensational. Bad example you chose there.
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it sounds like the voice of TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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(nice ref, Beaks)
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I've said it before, I'll say it again.
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...what with your renaming of DOUBT. Do you not like the film?
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Still falling through neon nights and strange days?
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WTF does that mean?? Probably my biggest pet peeve is when film critics automatically assume that anything on television is automatically inferior to film. Yeah, TDK was amazing and was better than anything on TV this year, but I would argue that LOST, The Wire and maybe even BSG is far superior to about 95% of the movies that came out this year and also that '30 Rock' makes me laugh more in a half an hour than Tropic Thunder did in over 2. Find me a film this year that was more creative and original than 'Pushing Daisies'?? I know it was just a little throwaway comment, but stuff like that really sets me off.
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Expected to see soms recognition for W. Great performance, imo.
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Dec 18, 2008 1:26:16 PM CST
DANNYGLOVER'S DICKBLOOD ALWAYS POPS UP SOONER OR LATER AWESOME!!
by what the duck
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Heath was great - everyone else sucked. The action was horrible, there was an abundance of huge plot holes, the moralizing was muddled, shallow and simple minded, and characters were totally inconsistent. Would people please stop acting like this movie deserves to win awards!
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Looks about right to me. Ledger was outstanding and has to be on any supporting actor list - no exceptions. The cast as a whole? They were good. Oldman and Eckhart were excellent but nothing they did really blew me away. I could see the possibility that five movies had finer all-round ensemble performances. In any event, I'm really not qualified to say for sure, (never stopped anyone here before) because I haven't seen any of those five films that beat it! Crap - they release so many good (or what the studios think will be good) films at the end of the year it's tough see them all. I feel like I can't even do a top ten list unless I run around like a maniac in December and see as many movies as I can.
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Heath Ledger is the only reason TDK is being talked about this awards season at all. The Batman voice was lame and Christopher Nolan cannot handle a third act. The first two acts of this movie were way better than Batman Begins, but both films could have used some work in the ending department. The first film split hairs over the difference between "killing" and "not saving" someone, while the second one saw our hero go out of his way to save the Joker only to throw Harvey off a building two seconds later. And don't even try to justify that ending - it was lame. You've got your poor mutilated friend out of his mind with grief, pointing a gun at a child, and you're growling at him in your Mr. Scary voice? Yeah - nice work there, Batman...
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Bale was ok, Caine was ok, Freman was ok, Eckhart was ok, Gyllenhal was shite....let's face it, this didn't DESERVE awards for its acting exept for Ledger's iconic performance. Good cast, and passable performances, but nothing award-worthy. It's true folks, and you know it.
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UNless there is some hollywood backlash for the apparent snub of Brokeback Mountain, and Prop 8 passing.
I didn't like Dev Patels performance all that much, but I think the children are the actors who shined in that film.
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there's a strike, because without the Dark Knight being nominated the ratings are going to be probably even lower than they've been. I honestly don't care because I still prefer Burton's Bat films (yes, even with the Prince music) and even Batman Begins over Dark Knight. I even prefer Iron Man over Dark Knight. I guess they'll be about 5 people watching to see Milk win the Prop. 8 sympathy vote. I already saw Scrosese and the Coens win, so at this time watching the Oscars is pointless.
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a minority or two for supporting. THUMBS UP, LIBERAL HOLLYWOOD -- you've come a long way from your humble racist origins.
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Go masturbate to Spiderman 2 or some independent film that real people never saw, because we don't have the time for 2hrs of boredom.
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What a douchebag to not put up the TV noms. you probably could have cut and pasted the rest of the noms, instead of leaving us to hunt them down at another site. Remind me to not make AICN my first stop anymore.
p.s. Supporting Actress...Amy Adams - Killer Nun. What's that? Fucking moron. -
About everything Nicholson's Joker said is remembered years later. Other than "Why so serious," the new film is sorely lacking in quoteable dialogue. That's just Joker. Batman, Catwoman, Penguin, Max Schreck, all have classic lines. And in the end this is the problem with the Nolan Batman films (like the new Bonds). They're going so far in the realist direction that they're bland. Don't get me wrong I hate the way too goofy stuff like The Schumacher Batman films and Roger Moore Bond, but I also don't want to watch it when there's no fantastic quality to it.
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But its really getting difficult to like actors. Especially since actors become producers (eventually), I'm being victimized by several such people. I should have never agreed to a deferred contract, even if it was the only way to get some work. Hasn't helped me eat any better... sigh.
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At least "Titanic" was and still is genuinely good and not overrated.
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who say the action scenes were hard to follow, I thought they were pretty comprehensible. They were lightyears ahead of the action scenes in Begins.
I actually thought everyone gave good performances. Oldman is great as the moral compass of the film, and without Ledger I think Eckhart could've carried the film as the villain. Just my opinion. -
To this day I still bear a grudge against Annie Hall.
Best Picture my ASS!!!
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was in Brokeback Mountain and he got the nod for that, rightly so. I thought he did great in Dark Knight, too, but nothing earth shattering. Yes, Alex in Clockwork Orange. Yes, Sid Vicious. Yay Anarchy. But I also smelled a wee bit of Brandon Lee's unpredictable menace as The Crow and even a smidge of Captain Jack's tentative line deliveries: "Your little, um...(cough)..group therapy sessions..." etc. Great, entertaining, but I agree with thehypeendshere, nothing that some other very good actor couldn't have done. Why can't teens and tweens feel this strongly about world hunger or crimes against women and children? Jesus. And enough "sorrow" for potential award snubbing and whatnot. The saddest thing to me is that we lost him as an actor and that Matilda lost her daddy. RIP.
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"Why so Serious?"
"Do you wanna know how I got these scars?"
"Well hello beautiful"
"How about a magic trick?"
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Next to Amy Adams it says killer nun.
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"Buttsechs pwns all"? Seriously, it's ok to give TDK major awards. People liked it, it was good. It was deeper than pure popcorn spectacles like Iron Man or Wanted. They were also good movies, but they just weren't as deep as TDK. C'mon AMPAS, don't be pussies. You geeked out for Return of the King, do it again for Dark Knight.
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...you didn't see the play or the film. That's far from the point.
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"Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moon light?" "Bob..gun." "He took my ballons." "Never rub another man's rubarb." "Wait'll they get a load of me." "I'm Batman (which when Keaton says it he doesn't sound like a toolbox)" "Alfred, let's go shopping." "You wanna get nuts, come on, let's get nuts." "You made me." Took me about half a minute to come up with those. That's just scratching the surface.
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Is that a joke? Do you mean Amy Adams playing a nun in "Doubt"?
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That were better than TDK?
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Iron Man, Tropic Thunder, Wall-E, Forgetting Sarah Marshall, and Vicky Christina Barcelona. There are a lot of films I still haven't seen so if I wrote this six months from now it would probably be different.
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You really have something against "Doubt", don't you?
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I'm reading this TB and have a couple thoughts:
Meryl Streep is not overrated in any sence of the word.
TDK is a GREAT Summertime movie. That doesn't mean it deserves an Oscar nom. Cinderella Man wasn't nominated for Best Picture and that movie is a better film than TDK.
TDK will win at least one Oscar. In a technical category (Cinematography, Make-up, Costume, etc.)
Heath Ledger will probably get nominated. Yet won't win.
The people that vote for the Academy Awards are largely pompous assholes.
Titanic won so many awards for the following reasons: It was ground breaking, it was well executed, it stared Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet, James Cameron was the Director and was due for some critical recognition and lastly it was based on a true event which always equals a nomination.
TDK was well executed, but was not ground breaking. Christopher Nolan is a Great Director, but has not been in the game long enough. TDK is a comic book movie which equals death as far as a Best Picture nomination is concerned. I agree with other TBers, that the Christian Bale - Batman voice is kind of goofy and takes away from the credibility of the film. For those reasons, TDK will not be a Best Picture nominee.
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so why should this be a surprise....Yes it was a damn good film and surely one of the BEST comic book adaptions ever...but Best picture for 2008??? Hell no....
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Why not cut the film down by thirty minutes and save him for the sequel? Seemed tacked on and way too rushed.
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Surprised you didn't list Philip Seymore Hoffman in "Agnes of God".
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...if you were expecting a Best Picture nomination for Dark Knight you were deluding yourself. I love the movie, but geez be a little realistic.
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Dec 18, 2008 2:09:34 PM CST
Why would this be a killer for Dark Knight's Best Picture nomina
by hedkickboy
Admittedly, it is not good, but if you look at last years SAG Best Cast Noms, only 1 got a Best Picture Nom, so clearly, there is a lot more going on than what takes place at the SAG nominations.
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Frost/Nixon,
The Wrestler,
Speed Racer,
The Fall,
The Curious Case of Bejamin Button
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If that doesn't sound like snooty condescension, I don't know what does. Beaks, I may not always agree with Herc in his opinions but I will say that he is twice the reviewer that you are. And if you really think that TV is inferior to the movies, you are seriously out of touch. The fact is that right now television is better than cinema. It's unusual but it's true.
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"Who's gonna do it you?! You Lieutenant Weinberg?"
You got a "laugh out loud" out of me. Nice going.
Yours,
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To those who have it on Blu-Ray, tonight is the live Cristopher Nolan commentary.
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Speed Racer was a heaping pile of shit.
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Ledger's perfomance was nice and all, but anybody who think his Dark Knight performanec was half of what he did in Brokeback is a moron. I agree that the hype is relly neaseating around this film. It was fun but calm down. It wasnt even as good as Batman Begins. And yes I can name 5 better movies this year. Milk, The Fall, Rachel Getting Married, Wall-E and Slumdog Millionaire(I still havent seen Revolutionary Road, Doubt, Forst/Nixon or Doubt)
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Dec 18, 2008 2:36:30 PM CST
I really did. Crap. I honestly really did have hope.
by t 1000 xp professional
Never would i have thought a superhero movie would ever come close to winning best picture. Not to say there haven't been really good comic book flicks prior, but we all know there has been a lack of respect from the lovers of "FILM" and their award voters. In my pure and innocent heart grew the hope that these lovers of all things pretentious couldn't even get around the almost flawless movie known as The Dark Knight. They HADDDD to recognize just how good it is on so many levels. I didn't just want this movie to go down in history(as it inevitably will) as an amazing all time great, I wanted the people behind this work to be awarded in the PRESENT. I thought we've learned so much. Oh well they'll be in good company I guess. 2001: space oddessy, Star Wars, Shawshank Redemption, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Children of Men. the list goes on...w/e...this isn't the oscars so maybe the hope should stay
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People either LOVE Speed Racer or DESPISE it. I'm in the LOVE camp.
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Oh the well, well, well, well, well deserved hatred of the Church. Man I hate the church, you'd have to be a french Canadian to understand the hatred but its real. Not saying we have a monopoly on the hate though... Stupid church.
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He really said that? I'm sorry.....but I refuse to read anything Beaks writes. Too fucking pompous for me. Go back to CHUD man.
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Dec 18, 2008 2:41:15 PM CST
thats fucking awesome that Downey's getting reconized for T/Thun
by somashine
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but this "TDK wasn't all that" talk is pretty funny. I can''t help it, but I gotta admit that the best part is (trying not to be condescending) is the seeing crazy foul mouthed mook's actual picks for Best Picture.....again, to each his own. hehe
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Actor, TV MOvie/Miniseries:
RALPH FIENNES, "BERNARD AND DORIS"; PAUL GIAMATTI "JOHN ADAMS"; KEVIN SPACEY - "RECOUNT"; KIEFER SUTHERLAND - "24: REDEMPTION"; TOM WILKINSON - "JOHN ADAMS"
Actress, TV Movie/Miniseries: LAURA DERN "RECOUNT"; LAURA LINNEY - "JOHN ADAMS";
SHIRLEY MacLAINE-"COCO CHANEL"; PHYLICIA RASHAD - "A RAISIN IN THE SUN";
SUSAN SARANDON - "BERNARD AND DORIS"
Actor, Drama: MICHAEL C. HALL, "DEXTER"; JON HAMM, MAD MEN; HUGH LAURIE, HOUSE; WILLIAM SHATNER and JAMES SPADER, "BOSTON LEGAL"
Actress, Drama: SALLY FIELD , BROTHERS & SISTERS; MARISKA HARGITAY, LAW & ORDER: SVU; HOLLY HUNTER, SAVING GRACE; ELISABETH MOSS, MAD MEN; KYRA SEDGWICK, THE CLOSER
Actor, Comedy: ALEC BALDWIN, 30 ROCK; STEVE CARELL, THE OFFICE; DAVID DUCHOVNY, CALIFORNICATION; JEREMY PIVEN, ENTOURAGE; TONY SHALHOUB, MONK
Actress, Comedy: CHRISTINA APPLEGATE, SAMANTHA WHO; AMERICA FERRERA, UGLY BETTY; TINA FEY, 30 ROCK; MARY-LOUISE PARKER, WEEDS; TRACEY ULLMAN, TRACEY ULLMAN’S STATE OF THE UNION
Drama Ensemble" BOSTON LEGAL, DEXTER, HOUSE, MAD MEN, THE CLOSER
Comedy Ensemble: 30 ROCK, DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES, ENTOURAGE, THE OFFICE, WEEDS
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You don't have time for 2 hours of boredom but you sat through The Dark Knight? Can you define irony?
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Okay, so last weekend, I spent too much time on a TB like this one debating the merits—or lack thereof—of TDK. Since then, I rented the movie to watch it again. Hadn’t seen it since opening day, which will live in infamy, and I was curious, especially in the context of how much time I’d been discussing it last week, as to how it had aged with me. What did I find? It performs much better when you’re prepared for it to suck. Most aspects that bothered me originally (e.g. Everything relating to Rachel Dawes, be it casting or writing; the abbreviated and poorly executed Harvey Dent arc; Hong Kong; the ferry boat climax; generic pacing issues) still bothered me, but to a lesser extent, and I was actually almost able to enjoy myself. That being said, enough with your hopes that it will be nominated for any major award outside of supporting actor. It was not that good by a long shot. Maybe cinematography. But direction? Writing? Picture? No. No. No.
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fuck fuck fuck
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This web site seems very anti to that film. Are the head guys all catholic cause holly shit. I saw the movie two days ago and it is a fantastic film and the performances are outstanding and that film didn't need action to keep it going along. You listen to a lot of this and this is why nerds are not taken seriously. Many of you just write off actual good films and in many cases don't even check them out, but just say they are awful. But then whine when a comic book movie gets snubbed. Didn't see that many of you pissed at other snubs over the years. Calm down the movie made bank and really that is what matters to those people, not awards.
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Dec 18, 2008 2:55:42 PM CST
What was the last thing Ledger's masseuse said to him?
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Lets rub some life into those stiff legs.
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Hmm.
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Dude, seriously, what are you talking about? Dark Knight had a great ensemble but Doubt EASILY had the best ensemble of the year. Maybe not the biggest but pound for pound the best. And I've seen it twice and didn't think it was bashing Catholicism AT ALL. Feel free to stir shit up but the best film/ensemble prevailed. No DOUBT in my mind.
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How Dare the SAG fail to nominate a movie in which the main character sounds like he's trying to dislodge phlegm with every line? How dare they not submit to rabid fanboy comic-book extacy? And how dare anyone make a movie that examines the difficult issues stemming from the fact that the Catholic Church has had sex-abuse problems involving priests for decades. They must all have bad intentions... or maybe Beaks is just an idiot.
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...Disney's The Jungle Book. And it made that much money that it will probably stay on top for at least 15 more years!
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in the next Nolan Batman movie because all of the other villans from the comics aren't real enough.
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Cheer up!
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Milk Vs The Pope Must Die. Hollywood is so fucking predicable.
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Instant Oscar!
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way better than Nolan's. Compare the climax to Burton's Batman with the climax to Batman Begins.
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Suck my cock like you were sucking Batman's cock during the summer. You know you only hate it because all the kool kidz and even the geeks like it and you have to continue being anti-social. Don't forget to open your asshole up for Chris Nolan.
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If LOTR: ROTK can win an Oscar, so can TDK. And it's certainly better than films like Juno, The Full Monty, Good Will Hunting, Braveheart, and Forrest Gump, just to name a few nominees and winners. Some of you sound as pretentious and full of shit as the people who run these award shows.
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The madness is ending: the mediocre, badly-writtten, nonsensical slice of shapeless GLOOP film-making that is TDK, DESERVES to be consigned to the dust-bin. Now if they can make sure Ledger's by-the-numbers hamming doesn't get the award, justice will truly have been served.
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We're on AICN and one of the greatest geek movies of all time seems to get reamed by a bunch of dicks who just want to stand out.
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What the hell? How did I completely miss this? It sounds like the best movie ever. It must be a gory, sex-riddled blasphemous thriller, right? Please tell me it is...
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Dec 18, 2008 3:36:25 PM CST
kwisatzhaderach, Burton's climax and conclusion was shit.
by thelastcleric
Batman isn't a murderer and killing off the Joker was a huge mistake. It's cool if you prefer Burton's films but they pretty much piss all over the established mythos of the character.
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Care to tell me where else the Joker has ever appeared like that? Because I found his portrayl pretty damn original while keeping to the spirit of the character in the comic.
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Let's face it, Two Face being shoe horned into the finale was the weakest moment in the Nolan Batman films thus far. If you're mad because Batman "killed" the Joker (which I don't think he was trying to do), then you should be mad at Nolan Batman for "killing" or at least letting Ra's al ghul die. The end of Batman standind on top of the church with the bat signal blazing in Burton's Batman is light years ahead of Nolan's aping of the TV Mod Squad opening at the end of Dark Knight.
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Any day of the week. By fucking far. The two don't even compare. Only 6 films in and Nolan is so far out of Burton's league, it's pathetic.
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...when the movie was actually out in the theaters?! Oh, that's right. They were at home...washing their tights! Ha, Ha, Ha!!!Johnny-cum-lately cowards, one and all!!!
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I couldn't agree more. It's like this every fuckin' year with some movie. Regardless of what awards it wins, TDK was a helluva good time at the cinema.
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SAG would have nominated The Dark Knight on the spot before the movie was even made.
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do the guys get kudos for kissing on screen? brolin was indeed brilliant, but i dont think that penn was all that great, and again, this film, like the doc before it, cast mayor moscone as a wimpy pol who bent over backwards for milk because he was afraid of the gay vote....they only briefly presented the animosity that continues to today in regards gay men vs lesbian women, and whitewashed milk's sexual life (the guy would fuck almost anything in pants) shoot, they wouldnt even do that for charlie wilson or kennedy....and i would like to thank the nameless delivery guy who uploaded the dvd screener...you are a god
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You lose all credibility when you put Forgetting Sarah Marshall up there. You could have said anything, but Forgetting Sarah Marshall? Come on man, it was "cute" and "sweet" but not bust-a-gut-funny the same way Tropic Thunder was... the first time around. Yes, that's right, once you've already seen the jokes, Tropic Thunder doesn't stand up the same way it did the first time around. But then again, you liked Iron Man better, and maybe that's because you're sick of all the TDK adulation, but as great and as fun as Iron Man is, it has plenty of plot-holes, and is way less mature.
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is an ace director. he hasn't made a bad film yet. if he doesn't get Oscars or other awards for TDK, fuck it, just so long as he keeps making the same quality movies. Kubrick never got recognized, and it took a while to acknowledge Scorsese. hell, Spielberg had to make "grown up" films to get recognition. folks, shiny statues do not matter (nice though they are), that you get your value for money from the film does.
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That seems to be the pro Dark Knight arguement. Oh wow, it's so realistic and nilistic. That doesn't hide the fact that the script should've been heavily streamlined and other than Ledger's tic filled performance, the rest of the cast is as bland as wood. Sorry but I'll stick with cute and sweet, because that doesn't make a film bad. I'll take real gritty masterpieces like the films of Michael Mann and No Country for Old Men.
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this was made ages ago, with Robbie Coltrane. only in America it got released as "The Pope Must Diet" because of your fucking over-sensitive, in a minority yet wildly influential over the media Catholic crowd.
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I don't think it was a Catholic-basing movie, just calls into question the ambiguity of faith and certainty. Catholicism has the strictest dogma making it a conducive context to study said subjects. With all that said, that movie should have stayed on the stage. The performances were fine, of course. What else did you expect? But if those performances don't add to an overall good film, then they are moot. Doubt had a lot of flaws, the biggest being that the bravado that made the stage play so epic could not be translated well on screen. Long story short: Doubt was boring.
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Talkbackers surprise me A LOT.
Many of the other films didn't get a release date yet, so I can't comment besides their critics (Frost/Nixon or Doubt are NOTHING that good performances I read).
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The second highest grossing movie of all time is not a footnote. No more than Jurassic Park or Star Wars or Indiana Jones is. Those movies don't need academy awards to be classics. They are not footnotes.
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Yeah, but at least we don't edit head butts out of our movies.
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And i smell a whole lot of actors bitter at not being in The Dark Knight themselves. Tossers!
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TDK nom isn't out of the blue, so shut up, haters.
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Instant INSTANT Oscar winner.
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was amazing. I wouldn't put it in the same category of "Oscar Bait", the same way Doubt is (and have no DOUBT about it, it is oscar bait [GET IT?!]). I read a criticism of MILK earlier that focused on how Van Sant omitted some characteristics over Harvey Milk's life; albeit being mostly true, I think to focus on those points in a man's life would shadow the overall larger accomplishment the man achieved. I would much rather know that Harvey was with three lovers that tried to commit suicide than his friendly rivalry with the lesbians of the bay area. It does much more for the story to omit (not even omit, more like reflect upon) issues that aren't pertinent to the story. Concerning other flicks, I hope SLUMDOG takes the cake. I love that movie so hard. One of the most pure, enjoyable and blissfully great films I have seen in a very long time. Frost/Nixon was very enjoyable. Watergate and Nixon written by Shakespear. If you can look past the historical inaccuracies, it's a great joy. However, besides Langella, the cast could have been filled with any actor worth his chops. I've yet to see Benjamin Button, but I will this week, so I have nothing to say. FINALLY. The Dark Knight, despite being a funny book movie, does deserve to stand in side by side with all movies said above. Especially if we're talking about ACTING, that whole cast was great, if not spectacular. I think people are either forgetting how EPIC and IMPORTANT TDK is and will be, or they can't look past the fact that they will be voting for a guy in a batsuit.
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I meant MILK was amazing. Not all oscar movies.
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If the TDK isn't nominated, it won't be because of Batman's voice, it will be because of that idiot who yells "Things are worse than EVAR now" at the Dent press conference. At any rate, I've seen most of the Oscar contenders, and TDK is still the best movie I've seen this year, by far. Yes, I'm a Batman nut, but this is the first Batman movie that I think is Oscar material.
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And the sad basement dwellers have to go against the majority.
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Let's just say this. Milk is a fantastic film. So is Doubt. The actors Penn, Streep, and Hoffman are all amazing. When does Philip Seymour Hoffman not completely own a role? But as good as these movies are...I can never shake the feeling that they're a little too obvious. A movie about gay rights? Of course it's going to the Oscars. A movie about Catholic priests and pedophilia? Oscars. You have to wonder as much as they beat us over the head with this shit nowadays, whether movies like that can have any impact anymore.
Don't get me wrong, I love these movies. But when people say "give up on TDK, it wasn't that good," I have to laugh. Because hands down, that was the best fucking movie of the year. -
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Look to sites like this:
http://www.incontention.com/
And the many awards TDK has been nominated (or win) for.
Sorry for it being in spanish, but here os a great example of that many awards (noms and wins):
http://www.cineol.net/noticias/6258_La-carrera-hacia-el-Oscar-2008-2009
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I didn't like about TDK, I put the batvoice in the realm of mild annoyance. It did suck, but there's an acceptable justification for its use--except when he's using it when speaking to Fox at the end, that was retarded. If you forget about that scene, I put the batvoice in the realm of nitpicking. As for TDK as a contender for best ensemble cast, it's sort of silly. With the exception of Ledger, there wasn't all that much acting going on. Oldman was pretty good, but the material didn't really allow for stellar performances from any of the characters--not even subtly stellar. And some of them stuck out as being kind of terrible (I'm looking at you Maggie, being better than Katie is not the same as being good).
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selections.
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She's a good actress, but her performance in Changeling is hardly outstanding.
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Some of the best films are never nominated for an academy award and the ones that are no one could give two shits about. Why should TDK be any different? It's all politics.
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Heath Ledger's performance was wonderful, but it no one would be talking Oscar or Globe if he wasn't dead. We can't give him an acting award for that because, unfortunately, he isn't acting; he's really dead. As for TDK... it wasn't very good. Poor writing. Terrible 3rd act. Though the movie was too long, the ending was rushed and taped on and made no sense. Ruined the movie. Being a comic geek has to mean more than cheering every time you see a cape on screen. You have to have standards. And TDK sucked.
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Seriously beaks, shut up.
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Also, there was early Oscar buzz when the FIRST Joker trailer came out. BEFORE, Ledger's death. Get outta here with that weak sauce! (although I won't deny the buzz was amplified by the death)
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My God people must not have seen many actual GOOD movies if you're crying for TDK to be a Best Picture nominee. It's a fun comic book movie but it's seriously flawed, overlong, the action was clunky and uninvolving... I mean come on. And Bat's gargly-silly lisp of a voice really killed any chance of it being taken seriously.
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1) i get that you were being somewhat sarcastic, but TDK doesn't need oscar nominations to somehow be validated as a great picture. academy history is littered with shitty films that won dozens of awards, and great films that should have been rewarded weren't, yet are still fondly remembered by a hell of a lot of people. 2) the acting, heath ledger and aaron eckhart notwithstanding, is REALLY not the strong point of TDK. writing, directing, cinematography, art direction and technical achievements are where TDK should and hopefully still will be rewarded. if not... no worries. no one is going to forget about this movie regardless of what it wins or doesn't. 3) anyone that takes the oscars seriously and looks at them as anything more than a occasionally fun trivia generator that allows hollywood to suck its own dick more publicly than usual for 3.5-4.5 hours every spring is barking up the wrong tree.
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Here's how to play the Joker: 50% clothes and make-up; 40% best lines (villains always get the best lines); 7% editing out the bad takes; 3% remembering the lines.Over-the-top Characters like the Joker are easy to play. Much more difficult is an understated role like that of Jim Gordon - which Gary Oldman plays beautifully. Ten times the skill and quality of Ledger's line delivery.
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It's a complete mess - I can't believe they released it in theatres in that state. It's two movies awkwardly shoehorned into one - with the best bits left out. The last hour is utter drivel - what's with the sonar- gadget nonsense? And I challenge ANYONE to explain what actually HAPPENED in the movie - and no cheating by 'explaining' away something that wasn't made clear in the movie - or coming up with justifications that weren't even mentioned. A complete waste of time.
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What the fuck do you mean explain what happened? Do you need everything drawn out for you or something?
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Makes perfect sense. He's just as fucked up as all the villains, so it doesn't surprise me that Bruce wouldn't drop his guard in the suit, even when talking to someone he trusts.
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TDK haters didn't exist in July because they didn't decide they hated it until now.
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But does anyone actually take the academy seriously? I know I don't.
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Hence keeping the voice going. You have all picked up on the fact that clearly Bruce Wayne is very much insane, right? He's functional and super controlled about it, but he's fuckin nuts; hence having a dual personality.
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Are you FUCKING kidding me? That is enough to make we want to have a beer and cheet on my wife!
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So what does? Is it the general consensus that the Oscars are like the Nobel Prize for movie making? Do those films nominated have to be the cream of the art form? Have the Oscars ever been about that?
Frankly if TDK gets a nom (nom nom) it'll be totally in line with what the Oscars goes for and if you don't think so perhaps you should start your own award show. Because that's all it is in the end, a show. Sure there's lots of money involved but it's all just showbiz. Objectivity doesn't enter into it. -
What didn't you understand? The plot is fairly intricate and it can take a couple of viewings to take in everything, so I'm not gonna dump on you for saying that... but it does all add up and make sense if you pay close attention. Most of Nolan's movies are like that. Memento and The Prestige also require more than one viewing to fully understand. To me, that makes them all the more fascinating. I appreciate a filmmaker that doesn't try to go easy on the audience, that trusts them to use their brains to figure everything out. But just because you didn't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. It just means you didn't understand it.
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Acting awards are for performances, not actors. I seem to have to explain this a lot. Posthumous awards happen all the time. And I believe Ledger would have gotten the nomination, since it was an excellent acting performance.
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Did anyone consider that he could simply be using a voice modulator every time he wears the suit (sorry if someone brought this up already)? His voice does sound extra bassy. Either that or he's just staying in character. And, as someone already mention, Bruce isn't exactly sane.
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is doing his I Am Sam performance in EVERY SINGLE MOVIE, even before I Am Sam came out???? Oh and The Dark Knight totally deserves an oscar nom. You're an idiot if you don't think so.
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Then I won't watch. Oh, Oscar... I have such a love/hate relationship with you.
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So the Joker robs a mob bank as a statement to the mob that he can get things done, mostly to get their attention. He kills the goons he hired to show how absolute of an evil he is. The climate of Gotham is briefly presented, showcasing some bits of paranoia, disapproval, and police protocol. Part of the mob is introduced. They are making a deal with the Scarecrow, a loose end from Batman Begins. Batman shows up, pwns everyone. We find out that Batman inspired average people to do what he's doing, but the difference is, as, Wayne so aptly put, 'I'm not wearing hockey pads'. Gordon and Batman are revealed to have the "only game left in town" by marking the bills with slight radiation to track them. After the robbery, they decide it's "time to move". Harvey Dent, district attorney, wants in on the deal, gives warrants to Gordon to make his move. Dent is also dating Wayne's childhood sweetheart Rachel Dawes; Wayne is torn between his duty to the suit and his longing for Rachel, he sees potential in Dent as the new hero of Gotham. Dent, Gordon and Batman make their move (ala The Long Halloween), only to see that Lau (the mob's accountant) has taken all the money out due to Maroni's (another mob boss) well placed sources in Gordon's MCU. Lau propositions the mob by saying he'll protect the money. Enter the Joker, who says that running away from it won't solve anything. The real problem is Batman, and he'll kill him for half the money. Gamble (another mob boss) is the main dissenter. The Joker eventually kills Gamble with his first monologue (want to know how I got these scars?). Gordon and Dent argue over leaks in their respective offices. Batman mediates it by saying he'll get Lau back to the states so Dent can make him sing. Batman goes to Hong Kong, Lucius introduces the concept of sonar to him, and takes everyone down. He captures Lau and uses Skyhook to get him out of the city. Lau is returned, Gordon smiles smugly. Rachel interrogates Lau; Rachel and Dent move forward to charge the whole mob in a Rico case (if their money is in one large pot, then they can be all charaged as co-conspirators, putting them all on one trial). This goes through. The Joker begins to attack. Makes a statement if that Batman does not reveal himself, someone will die eveyrday. It begins with Judge Serrilo and the Police Commisioner. THe Joker makes a public appearance to finish off his trifecta for Dent at a Wayne sponsored fundraiser. Wayne foresees this, knocks out Dent and hides him. Joker has a confrontation with Rachel. Batman shows up. Joker throws Rachel out of a window, Batman saves him. Dent, despite being hunted down for the mob, still wants to go forward with prosecutin Lau and the rest of the mob. The Joker names his next victim in the obituary and its the Mayor. Batman takes a brick with a bulethole from the crime scene, analyzes it and finds a fingerprint that leads him to an apartment building overlooking the funeral procession for the Police Commisioner. The Mayor is making a speech. (At this point we also find out that Wayne reappropriated R&D to develop new technology). Wayne shows up in the apartment room and is almost shot as the police spot him. As the Mayor finishes his speech, the police gun salute is performed by the Joker and members of his crew (they apparently stole the uniforms from the real policemen). The Joker gets a shot off, Gordon dives in front of the Mayor and takes the bullet. Gordon is seemingly dead. Dent goes crazy. Captures one of Joker's men. Sees that his nametag says 'rachel dawes', kidnaps him. Batman goes crazy, finds Maroni, and interrogates him. Maroni informs him that there are no leads and that if he wants the Joker, he knows what he ahs to do. Batman finds Dent playing Russian Roullete with one of Jokers men (with his dad's two headed coin). Batman stops him, tells him he's the "hope he can never be", and wants to turn himself in. Wayne and Rachel meet, Wayne tells her that hes quitting and wants to be with her. THe next day, Dent, in front of an unruly mob wanting Batman's blood, turns himself in as the Batman, believing that Batman does still serve a purpose to the city. While Dent is being transferred, the Joker shows up with an arsenal of big rigs and weapons. He tries to sack Dent's carraige. Batman shows up. Batpod is introduced. Batman pwns all and flips over bigrig the Joker is in. The Joker survives, sands in the middle of the street, and gives Batman the opportunity to run him over. Batman pusses out and doesnt. Batman is knocked out, the Joker has his advantage, out comes Gordon from the truck (he was driving Dent), and he captures teh Joker. Gordon faked his death to protect himself and his family. They take the Joker back to MCU. Gordon is promoted to Commisioner. A fatman with a stomach ache is thrown into the same jail cell as the Joker. Gordon gets a call that Dent is missing. He interrogates the Joker. Batman shows up, Godron leaves. Batman begins to queston him. We find out The Joker's ideology, or lack there of. Joker reveals that he has both Dawes and Dent and that one of them will survive ("killing is making a choice"). Batman goes after Dawes, Gordon goes after Dent. Dawes and Dent have one last conversation over a rigged up phone with their death clock on it. Dawes says yes to Dent's proposal that was established earlier and tells him he doesn't want to live without him. Batman shows up at where he thinks is Rachel's hideout, but is actually Dents. Rachel blows up. Dent half blows up, goes crazy and becomes Two Face. The Joker escapes by setting off a bomb in the fat guy's stomach ("it looks like a contusion" [it was a cell phone]). The Joker, using his one phone call, sets it off. Rachel, before dying, gave Alfred a letter to give to Bruce saying that she wants to be with Harvey and not him. Alfred decides not to give it to Wayne, since he thinks she was going to be with him. Maroni confronts Gordon, tells him that he knows where the Joker is. The Joker has all the money in his hideout, burns his half, makes a statement that he's a better class of criminal cause of his anarchial habits. One of Wayne's men, who is sick of people dying, wants to turn in Wayne as the Batman (he found the batmobile's blueprints while analyzing Wayne's funds). THe Joker makes a call and makes a proposition to Gotham; if the rat doesnt die, then hell blow up a hspital. Gordon now has to protect the rat instead of going after the Joker. They evacuate the hospitals. The Joker shows up at Dent's hospital dressed as a nurse. Another monologue of his absolute anarchy ideology and he turns Dent into the full monster. Bruce Wayne saves the rat's life. Rat feels bad. Joker blows up the hospital and kidnaps some of the patients. Dent goes free and hunts downt eh rats in Gordon's units. People flee Gotham on bridges and ferries due to Joker's threat over the news. Joker hijacks two ferries, puts two bombs in them and gives each of them a trigger to blow each other up. If they don't by midnight, then they both blow up. Batman unveils his sonar project, inspired by Lucius. Lucius is insulted by the corruption of power. Batman ensures it will be a one time thing. Batman locates the Joker, informs Gordon. Gordon has snipers on the rooftops with clear shots. Batman wants five minutes, he gets two. Batman sees that the clear shots are actually hostages, and the bad guys are dressed as hostages. Batman beats up both joker's crew and the swat team to save the hostages' lives. Gordon gets a call from Dent. Dent has Gordon' family. Batman confronts the Joker. None of the ferries blow each other up. Batman disproves Joker's ideology. Flips him off of a rooftop, but saves him. Heath gives one more badass monologue; informs that he has turned Dent into a monster ("ace in the hole"). Batman races to where Gordon and Dent are having their confrontation. Dent wants Gordon to talk to the person he loves the most and lie to them as they die, like he did. Batman shows up. Tells him that all three of them were responsible. Two Face does his coin flip. Batman is shot. Flips for himself, he's safe. And finally flips for Gordon's son. Before the coin is dropped, Batman tackles Two Face. Saves Gordon's son, Two Face falls three stories, as does Batman, but Batman survives. GOrdon races down to see if he's ok. Batman explains to Gordon that no one can know that Dent has transformed into a monster, it would prove the Joker right. Batman takes the rap for Dent, since he functions solely as an elusive protector. Gordon agrees. Batman is hunted. The end. (IT'S A DAMN GOOD THING I'M BORED AT WORK).
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That's all these awards are - the industry giving itself a hand job and calling it a zipless fuck. Who cares what industry insiders think (or, more precisely, who they are going to stroke to get their next deal?)
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Please, please don't compare 2008 to 1977 and Star Wars to The Dark Knight. Star Wars was a watershed film that revolutionised modern cinema. TDK is just an average film that just so happens to contain an above-average performance (Crying Game, anyone?)
If TDK isn't nominated for Best Picture and people lose their minds because of it then I hope to god these same people lost their minds over Batman Begins missing out on a Best Picture nomination because BB is as good if not better than TDK.
And to those who point to TDK's stratospheric box office cume as evidence that the film is somehow more than what it is, then you are overestimating the collective intelligence of the film-going public. People flocked to this movie en masse because it quickly became fashionable to and because of a morbid curiosity in a possible link between Ledger's performance and his premature passing. -
Who really gives a shit about awards anyway? Its really only self-congratulatory wanking. Just enjoy the film.
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Good job! Man, what a great movie! Such scope, for Superhero fare!
I'll add that framing Batman also makes perfect sense, because Gordon's forces were coming and it would be awfully difficult to frame someone who WASN'T at the scene, while making sure that none of DOZENS of the men in that police force ever let it slip.
People either don't like to think - or aren't smart enough to realize that there aren't these alleged "holes" in the movie. It was very well-written.
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that while it isn't the milestone that Star Wars was, it's still a milestone. Not for merchandising, not for acting, not even for cinema attendance - but because it's the movie that got studios to think that comic book movies can be done as dramas and make more money than they expected. Like it or not, that's a big deal in Hollywood and hence earns its place in movie milestone history.
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when I heard them announce "Doubt" my tummy turned. Not that there is anything necessarily wrong with Doubt (I haven't seen it yet). It's just that they do the list in alphabetical order. I really couldn't believe it. And every year I get upset by something being ignored during awards season and I vow never to care again, but then I do. This time I thought TDK was a no-brainer since it's obviously one of the best movies ever made and was truly an ensemble movie. I feel awful. I really wanted to see the cast accepting that award. *sigh*
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The Dark Knight is pure greatness. So what if they don't give it the trophies it probably deserves. Now, I havent seen Benjamin Button, Wall-E, or Slumbdog Millionare yet so I cant quite call The Dark Knight the best film of the year. But it is going to take Fincher to deliver his best movie ever for me to say I have seen something better than TDK in a long time.
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Guess you really don't want to have any credibility or be taken seriously now do you?
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Will I bother to say that an Oscar snub can be a badge of honor. Look at some of the crap that's won. "Crash" for example. I had plenty of issues with TDK (God knows) and won't rehash 'em here, but but TDK is a far better film than the ham-handed contrivance known as "Crash" could ever hope to be.
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Even Nolan's worst movie yet is a good'n. Of course, it'd be even better if Pacino wasn't Hoo-haa-ing all over it.
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Was Phillip Seymor Hoffman the rubber-poop monster in Dogma? And I thought everyone was all crazy about his turn in Synchedote, NY.
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Batman, Joker, Two Face.....fight.
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Don't get your Underoos all up in a knot over a comic book movie.
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TDK was all about Ledger, just like Batman '89 was all about Nicholson. Unlike Batman '89 Batman's voice sucked ass. Who could ever take Bale's Batman voice seriously?
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C'mon now, where is the Mamma Mia love? Amanda Seyfried's tits should at least get a best supporting actress nod.
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They have it in for Nolan cuz he's a maverick.
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...then The Dark Knight can't get love. Shit, WATCHMEN probably won't get love and it'll probably be the narrative equal to No Country for Old Men or There Will Be Blood. Then again, let me not speak unto existence that which has not come to pass, lest its existence be sullied.
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Cat shows don't have this much cattiness.
THE DARK KNIGHT was already overrated during those few days where it topped the IMDb's best movies list this summer, and now people are talking it up for Best Picture? I liked the film (not 'loved' or 'worshipped', but liked), but I cannot conceive of a universe where it deserves a Best Picture Oscar. -
For the most part, people here don't even seem to care about the Academy Awards or any other awards shows, so what's the point of getting all worked up? I, for one, love the Oscars, but I'll be the first to admit that the show isn't often right. Often times, they list off great films that people should watch, but no, the choices aren't always right. Who cares, though? At the end of the day, the films that deserve greatness will get it. Shit, it's not like an Ingmar Bergman film ever one "Best Picture."
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Or the writers and director who probably told him that's what they want.
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Bravo. I though he said "I'm not wearing hockey pants", I didn't realize he said "pads". It's that stupid batvoice.
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With Wall-E not too far behind Now to be fair to Slumdog, Frost/Nixon, Benjamin Button and Grand Torino I haven't seen those yet. So my view could change.
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the best poster on aintitcool ever!
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The Bias against Dark Knight is pretty disgusting
by most excellent ninja
but not unexpected. Whatever. 1 Billion dollars. Acclaim from the public who could not give one iota of a fuck about any of those other movies. Dark Knight made more in 3 days than all those movies will make together in their entire run.
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seriously. you actually think it's that goddamn massive a thing. Fucking idiots. remember the ones complaining about his voice in Begins were Kevin Conroy fans
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From the perspective of the comics, I get the whole idea of Bruce Wayne being a um...borderline personality, and while I will freely admit they do a pretty good job in these movies at establishing the public persona / playboy facade, I never get the feeling from these movies that Wayne as Batman is anything but an altruistic character. I don't get the idea that he's crazy or even borderline. I think one of the missed opportunities in the series so far is that they established the Batman / Gordon relationship too soon. Batman's antagonism with the cops, which is a pretty cool aspect to a lot of the comics was given minimum screen time in Begins, and it never involved Gordon (who from the beginning believes Batman is somebody that can be an ally). The end of TDK assumes that Batman is going to be considered a vigilante in the next film, which could translate really well to film. At any rate, to make what my original point was going to be, in these films, you never get the idea that Bruce Wayne is anything but rational, so I simply don't buy the whole Bruce Wayne-IS-Batman-when-he's-in-the-suit meme in the context of these films. The voice modulator thing is an interesting theory, but it's not confirmed by anything in the films. Maybe we need a scene in 3 in which he's talking to Albert while taking off his suit, and his voice changes in mid sentence as he's taking off his mask. On second thought, let's not have that scene.
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the batvoice is a mild annoyance. If it were the worst thing the movie had going for it, I'm sure I would have loved the movie.
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This has been said before but people choose to ignore it and point the blame at him.
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I could see Batman 3 as Batman fighting the crooks and the cops, and Batman 4 like Miller's Dark Knight Returns. A Batman symphony would work better than a trilogy.
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Not to mention 'Dark Knight' is just not the kind of movie Oscar voters look for... They vote for movies that incite emotion, and during Dark Knight the only emotion i noticed myself feeling was boredom.
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Yeah his voice was altered to have more bass, which only helps. Imagine Bale doing that voice without the bass.
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I don't blame him. I think he went a little over the top with it, and am not a fan of the voice. Google batman voice and you can find quotes of Bale talking about how hard it was to get into the voice in Begins but how it was much easier to get into in the second. There may be some subtle digital altering, but it is essentially all him.
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BayBot: "This is awesome! My brain is in a robot! Truly awesome!"
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Went to a screening of TDK two weeks ago at IMAX with the sound guy there for a Q&A. It was ALL BALE. THey did very minimal alterations to the voice, just as much as any other post-production sound checks on any other of the characters.
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its a shame it wont be recognized.
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If anyone one derserves an Oscar for Ledger's Joker performance, it's this man:
http://tinyurl.com/y9jj5r
No disrespect to Ledger, he picked the best template possible, and was easily the best part of that bloated, overhyped flick. BUt let's all give credit were credit is due on the shaping of Ledger's Joker. -
This snoozer shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as the word award.
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They got nominated? For acting awards?
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I could have sworn that in Batman Begins they said there was a voice changer built into the cowl. Meaning every time Bats is wearing the suit it changes his voice. Did I make that up?
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-heath ledger's joker performance sucked. yes, it sucked so much that it was the most talked about performance of the year, even before his death it was getting huge hype surrounding it.
-the dark knight wasn't shot or lit well.
this defies logical explanation. the movie was shot partially in IMAX, including a huge amount of the action. and the average length of the shots were MUCH longer than most action films, so they could show off the amazing clarity of the IMAX. god people are idiots.-it wasn't a big deal or a highlight of summer movies.yes, and also Madonna is still hot, the sky is green and Barry Manilow loves pussy.
-it performs much better when you’re prepared for it to suck.
that's true about your mother, but not the dark knight.
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Watching The English Patient made me want to ram a hot poker in my eyes. That was a painful movie to sit through. Elaine was right.
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Its only the SAG Awards. Beaks, that was very clever. Killer Nun, The Pope Must Die, I`m fucking losing my shit right now. Funny, funny, funny, funny. That was the best part of the post! Fuck everyone who is exclaiming and protesting about TDK! You are a bunch of roody-poo candy-asses! Has the academy ever REALLY gotten it right? NO! So why should this year be any different? And what the fuck is BSG have to do with TV? Is it the Big Stupid Gay show? I dont get it. Anyway, I think Michael Clarke Duncan was ripped off for Daredevil, he was off the hook as the Kingpin!
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in the same way they did Phantom Menace. Stupid is everywhere.
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Zorak just said, "...Hi." in the EXACT same way Ledger did when talking to Dent in the hospital!
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bwahahahahaaahahahaha!!!!!!
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better than Brak I suppose.
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Dec 18, 2008 9:32:25 PM CST
IMAGINE ADRIANA LIMA WITH A PUSS-FILLED THROBBING ZIT ON HER NOS
by bringingsexyback
The batvoice is the zit.
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...so what does it really matter if a film we liked gets on the list or not.
I call out any film fan over 25 or so to tell me that they sincerely believe every Best Picture they ever saw was the best film in the year of its release. There are plenty of big Oscar magnets per year that I consider to be pretty poor, hamfisted junk. If there were an objective Pepsi Challenge of film and nobody knew who was nominated or who made a given film, I'll bet most viewers - and a significant amount of critics - would rate the eventual big Oscar films pretty low on their lists. -
The Dark Knight has won the Oscar of out hearts.
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American Beauty was them last year that the Best Picture award was true for me. And I realize that all that really is, is a personal opinion. You're right. Bitching about it IS stupid, but I still like to see my favorite shit get recognized anyway.
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As Alan Rickman would say, "OB-viouslyyyy...."
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Last summer, praise fot TDK was raining from the TBs. Now...it sucks. Would have loved to see the haters bash "The Godfather" had AICN been around in the 70s.
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If this was the case, "The Godfather" does not win Best Picture. Period. Maybe doesn't get nominated.
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that's class that is, that you do not edit head butts out of films. where does, i must never go there?
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some stupid comic-book movie to be nominated for anything other than the 'best special effect in a stupid comic-book movie' category? this is the Academy Awards people! it's the real world, not some comic book convention. get a life
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" There Will Be Blood " WASN'T in that list.And it STILL got nominated.
And as a rebuttal to your rather categorical insinuation, I'm just gonna say one word. Listen well: " Titanic " -
Almost 1 Billion dollars in gross. Second most successful film of all time ( so far ). Succeeded very well in the month of July. Critically and commercially well received all around. Should count for something.
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Making fun of comic book lovers on an internet talk back on a geek movie themed website...
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Holy shit ! The golden statuette already !!! Starring William Shakespeare
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Fuck it, " Saving Private Ryan ", MAN. The sad sack pathetic way the Academy snubbed that film over - what's its name , oh yes - " Shakespeare in Love " ! Motherfucker ! The all-time classic great Shakespeare film; snubbed over some fully retarded fluff ! And they gave Spielberg a ' Best Director ' award to rub their stupid in his face. " Oh, director dude, we know you're film is better and all, it's pure marksmanship, and your stuff was the best of them, yet we have neither the balls to stand by our guts. So we give you this award to let you know that ! " 'Coz it's SHAKESPEARE, chum ! IT'S THE FUCKING BARD !! Oh, it's a perioud film. And those damn accents ! Irresistible !! ' Saving Private Ryan ' was a monumental, epochal flick. It redefined war, gore, and realist visual style for the mainstream ( albeit an unwitting contributor to the ' shaky cam ' phenomenon ). Almost every damn war movie bore the stamp of its damp, gritty, ground-level, and in-your-face, ' you are there ' mayhem spectacle since, and are the better for it. Everybody knows that movie. Nobody remembers ' Shakespeare in Love ' !
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Shrek 2 and Phantom Menace are numbers 3 and 4, so what's your point?
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Dec 18, 2008 11:50:33 PM CST
Sam Fulmer- Yeah But Burtons Batman quotes were memorable- in a
by 900lbgorilla
Of all the quotes you listed only Wait till they get a load of me” is any good.
You wanna get nuts, come on, let's get nuts." And "You made me." In particular should for go down as some of the crappiest in a supposedly good movie….that was Mystery Science Theatre fodder there.
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The Caped Crusader finally questions his war on crime - and his love for Jesus.
At the end of the film, Batman ( played by Colin Farell ), stands in front of a Cathedral, dumps all his Bat gizmos, gadgets, fin blades, the Batmobile, and his money in a pile , burns it down the ground and pisses on all of it. With dramatic results.
Then, our dark avenger, finally screams on the top of his ripped lungs to Gotham City and the world, and says :
" I am not a superhero ! I love a boy ! "
The crowd gathers around him and gasps. One innocent bystander ( played by Stellan Skaarsgard ) pats him on the shoulder.
" Bless you, sire ! Jesus loves you anyways ! "
Tears ensue.
Its the dramatic event of history !
Directed by : Pedro Almadovar
Starring : Meryll Streep as Catwoman ( a.k.a. Satan )
Phillip Seymour Hoffman, as Penguin ... who is also a Priest
MTV Best Kisser Award Winner Tobey Maguire, as Batman's male bitch.
And William Shakespeare.
Winner of ALL Screen Actor's Guild and Golden Globe Awards.
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They give DK what it deserves... Kevin Murphy calls out the really stupid 'slow buzzing noise' in soundtrack.
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would cast Chris Crocker as Catwoman (I'd still watch)
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I like Burton's films way better than Nolan's. Compare the climax to Burton's Batman with the climax to Batman Begins.
Are you fucking KIDDING me? Begins had a solid action ending. Burtons was perhaps the WORST ending I have ever seen in a major comic film. From shooting down a plane with a normal gun and a looooooong barrel, to the whole HACKISH and trite “You made me” and “You wouldn’t hit a guy with glasses would you? Down to the final scene where Joker falls backwards off the roof to magically teleport to the ledge just below batman for a Friday the 13th quality "GOTHCA"…to Bats and Vickie similarly falling backwards to then re-reverse the kewl trick on the joker! Wow! That ending sucked in ways that can barely be described. I would need to be on hallucinogens to enjoy that crap. At least the 60's TV show did stuff like that for humor. -
because the Joker is "easy" to do,
How is it then, that we've had to wait this long to get an actor playing the role for it to become this seamless, and frankly, this 'right'.
To paraphrase a colloquialism, if it was that easy, they'd all have blown us away. Nicholson is a great actor in his own right, and all he did was play himself as the Joker. Romero was 100% camp. Look at Ledger's performance carefully. It's not really that over the top, and there are nuances both spoken and physical that are subtle and yet completely unnerving in a way that no other actor in the role has pulled off. -
While a fun ride, is not perfect. I did like all the dark emotions and atmosphere but I highly doubt it will win anything outside of the SFX department. TDK was very uneven not only performance wise between all the cast (Ledger's amazing transformation vs Oldman's just-another-day-on-the-job) but also parts of TDK were really boring and meh. But if "fuck!"fest like the Departed could win I guess this is a possibility as well.
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So by that defense, Titanic is the best movie ever? TDK is AOK, but no Best Picture.
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Wall-E wasn't nominated for best actor? And the cockroach as best supporting. God these things are so rigged.
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Well, I agree with the nerds, DARK KNIGHT is deserving of these types of awards and this seemed like the one time a movie of that type might actually get treated with respect. Too bad. But I'm also wondering what's up with Josh Brolin getting no love for W. He wasn't nominated here or even in the Golden Globes. Say what you will about the movie itself, but Brolin was fucking INCREDIBLE in the role. To do such an accurate impression of that asshole, and yet not come off as an SNL skit, and at the same time to make one of the most hated men in the world somewhat sympathetic, but not in a completely phony way... I mean, not only did I not know Brolin was that type of a chameleon actor, I also didn't think that was possible for anybody to do. Almost up until it came out it seemed like a joke to me that Stone was even doing that movie but Brolin hit a grand slam.
Unlike DARK KNIGHT that is actually exactly the type of movie that usually does get considered for these awards, so it's kind of weird to see it completely ignored. Way to go, Bush, you're so bad you even fucked up Josh Brolin's mantle. -
My post from earlier has been deleted along with a bunch of others! Fuck you AICN! You guys only did that because I think Beaks is funny and Michael Clarke Duncan was ripped off for a Best-Supporting Oscar for his BADASS portrayal as the Kingpin in Daredevil. Fuck You in your Goat Asses! BTW, TDK KMA OAO! Figure that shit out BITCHES!!!!!
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You = The Dark Knight.
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The whole it's better when you're prepared for it to suck thing, that was me. What's the big deal? I mean, even people who think it is awesome would have to agree with that, right? For me, I went into it on opening day with incredibly high expectations. So many of the things I found to be wrong with the movie were wrong in a stupid way that smart filmmakers, story tellers, and fans of the original material should have been able to catch before the thing made it to production. The mistakes and missed opportunities were then, and still are, incomprehensible to me, and when I first saw the movie I was completely unprepared for them. Having revisited the movie, I was in a better place to try and enjoy myself. That is not to say that the things I didn't like about it disappeared, I just knew they were coming and had readied myself to endure them. Are you so personally invested in the idea that the film is flawless that you can't accept my rather benign anecdote?
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While I am not one of those saying that Ledger didn't do a good job, I don't think your metric for determining whether he did well (no one had done it as well before) is a very strong one.
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Arguably the best sequence in Begins was the initial Batman reveal in the warehouse where he was like a monster pulling the guys with machine guns into the shadows and picking them off one by one. The sequence ending with that awesome bit from the trailer when the bad guy yells "Where Are You?" and then backs right into an upside-down Batman who whispers "Here." And then the cape blacks out the scene. I don't know how well that whisper would have worked if used elsewhere, but I think it may have been a better way to go. Especially when Batman is talking to non-hostiles like Gordon, Dent, and Fox.
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Yes TDK should be nominated for a Best Picture Oscar. It truly was one of the top five films of the year. But in the long run, fuck the academy!!! Oh shit, Meryl Streep's in a movie this year, gotta give her a nomination, she's fucking Meryl Streep!!! We really blew it on fucking Scorcese in the ass for thirty years, let's give him Best Picture AND Best Director for a good movie. Not Raging fucking Bull, just a good movie cuz we feel bad. The Oscar very rarely goes to the winner, everyone knows that. Shawshank, Almost Famous, Boogie Nights, Saving Fucking Private Cocksucking Ryan got beat by Shakespeare In Love!!!!!!! Who cares? It;s just a bunch of self congratulatory morons completely out of touch with the movie going public fingering each others asses. fuck em' And the bat voice? you should thank the bat voice for giving you whiny bitches something to complain about in a near perfect movie. Cuz without something to cry about, well, this site wouldn't exist.
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The #2 top grossing domestic film of all time means nothing to the froo-froo Film Actors Guild. Why vote for THE DARK KNIGHT when you can vote for Oscar-bait like MILK?
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After watching it again last night, it's a good Summer Blockbuster...That's it though. That's not to say it's not a good film. It's just not Best Picture good.
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Regardless of whether or not you've seen Doubt, why are you bitter about Streep? It's not like her nomination would have been bestowed upon anybody in TDK. As for past robberies, I had no idea you guys held such a grudge about Private Ryan, which I found to be visually stunning but overly sentimental in the story telling. Far inferior, in my opinion to Band of Brothers--although BOB obviously would not have been made had it not been for SPR. At any rate, I can understand think SPR was the best film of the year, but Almost Famous? Really? Over Gladiator? Really? Or the other films nominated, for that matter? Crouching Tiger...Traffic? Almost Famous? Really?
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It was a pretty depressing and dark movie. It won't get as many repeat viewings in my home as Hellboy II or Ironman will. They were movies that may not have been as artsy fartsy or had as much depth as Dark Knight but for me they are 100% more enjoyable to kick back and watch the eye candy fly at you.
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"that's class that is, that you do not edit head butts out of films. where does, i must never go there?" What the fuck does that mean? Are you using a shitty French to English translator? Or are you Stephen Hawking speaking into a voice recognition program? Either way you sound like a fucking retard, the likes of which I haven't heard since Sarah Palin ran for Vice President!!
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Both won for best movie. Though I don't think it is the best. When a movie makes that much money doesn't it win by default? Its like trying to tell me that Coke isn't the best soda in the world? Yeah it may not be your favorite but lets face it its the the best.
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I think Hellboy 2 was a lot more artsy then TDK.
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Just because it made a boatload of cash doesn't make it a good film...well good enough to be Best Picture. Especially when the main demographic for TDK was 14-24 and the majority of the people that vote for the Academy Awards are 40 and older...and are a bunch of pompous asses. Just forget about Best Picture now so you're not let down when they announce the nominees.
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... the F.ilm A.ctor's G.uild?
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I got to love all the dipshits who talk about plot holes in TDK. What they're really saying is "I'm too stupid to figure out anything that isn't spoon-fed to me". There's a little thing called the brain, and if you try and engage it, you'll find that these so-called plot holes are rather easily sewn up. Nothing in this film "doesn't make sense" if you have a capacity for things like inference, allusion, making connections etc.: high school lit class concepts, basically. But go ahead and be too cool for the room and bash the movie by all means. But you might want to come up with some criticisms that are actually thought out. I won't hold my breath.
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Ladies and gentlemen, witness the latest internet phenomenon: People like "hype ends here" who are so collossally arrogant and breath-takingly stupid that they knock Heath Ledger's performance by saying "anybody could've done that". God, I love the internet. A platform for every moron.
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I fully hope it gets a best picture nom...but it has nothing to do with the acting in the film, though it had some wonderful performances, besides Heath it had nothing outstanding. And do you remember Christian's Batman rasp...?
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Alright, I mean it was just an amped up version of Nicholsons? Its not really that hard to do when there have been so many versions or it to study. Plus crazy isn't that hard to do, but it can be done really bad.
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It looks like it could be ok. But I don't believe Don Cheedle could beat up my kitten, let alone a human.
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I think you're misunderstand the meaning of the phrase ‘plot hole.’ Something needn’t be incomprehensible to be considered a plot hole. For instance, the plot hole people often bring up in reference to TDK is the sequence after Batman and Rachel fall from a skyscraper onto a car while Joker and his gang are left thirty stories up in Wayne’s penthouse with a ton of rich folk and Harvey locked in the closet. Rachel says something cute. Asks about Dent. Batman says (although not in Batvoice if I remember correctly) that Dent is safe. And like that, the scene ends. There’s no resolution of what was going on in the penthouse. That’s a plot hole. Is it one you could use your brain to fill in? Sure. Should the resolution of this—you would think—important scene be left solely to the viewer’s interpretation? That’s arguable. What if I assume that Joker killed a few people? What if I assumed some or all of Joker’s men were still trying to shake-off the Batman’s ass kicking when the cops arrived? What if I assume Joker and his gang quietly escaped? I suppose the last version is the intended interpretation, but it’s far from the only one. And where was Batman during all of this? I mean, I know he just took a wicked bump, but he’s taken bumps before. I assume that we’re not to assume that Batman lay there on the car until the cops showed, but where did he go? He clearly didn’t pursue Joker, but that’s not the only option. Bruce Wayne was supposed to be in the penthouse, was he there again when the cops showed up? How does Batman get from the ground to the penthouse unnoticed? And what of Dent? Was he out cold in Wayne’s closet the whole time? Who let him out? Was he conscious or unconscious when he was let out? If he was conscious, did Batman have to let him out? Or did Bruce Wayne do it? I know this is a little over the top, but this was a pretty complex scene that involved three major characters, and the scene ends abruptly and is barely mentioned for the rest of the movie. Yes, Joker says for a second he thought Dent really was Batman, but that’s far from a resolution to that scene. It simply ends, and then you cut to unrelated shit. That’s a hole.
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I said nothing about Best Picture, I made that sarcastic comment in response to the guy saying the movie wasn't a big deal or a highlight of summer movies.you gotta read carefully before you comment, kiddo...
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You've got an intelligent point there, unlike so many others. I get what you're saying, but I think your example--and others I've seen like it--are over-thinking things a bit. I'd have a bigger problem with that scene based on the fall Bats and Rachel took with nary a scratch than I would with the fact that the scene ends abruptly and doesn't show you what happened immediately afterwards. And that's OK, different strokes and all. But when people point to an example like yours as if it "proves" TDK sucked, or is poorly written, I think they're full of shit.
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Dec 19, 2008 3:08:03 PM CST
In actuality, plot holes were not a major concern of mine in TDK
by funwithwords
If anything, the way that scene ended was a mild annoyance that just went on top of the pile. I did think the movie was poorly written at times. I didn’t think the Dent / Dawes relationship was very well constructed. All of the romantic stuff was full of dramatic cliché: ‘You haven’t answered my question yet’ (*Oh, he proposed*); ‘I haven’t got an answer yet.’ I never felt their relationship was very strong. Besides, it felt like a rehashed storyline Nolan decided to abandon in Begins. Remember when the DA in Begins tells Dawes how much he cares about her, and she says ‘We’ve talked about that’? I don’t know, the whole Dent / Dawes / Wayne triangle felt a little familiar in a bad way, especially since it became nothing more than a device to motivate Dent’s transformation (replacing a perfectly good origin story about duality and madness with a stupid tale of a lover’s revenge). I’ve said it before, but when they lost Katie Holmes (even though she was the worst part of Begins), I think they should have just written the Rachel character out of the script, and allowed Wayne to ‘believe in Harvey Dent’ and for Harvey to become Two-Face without forcing a love story into a movie where it really doesn’t belong, especially one plagued by the distraction of a discontinuity in casting.
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I agree that the weakest part of Nolan's two Batman films has been the whole love interest angle. It never feels genuine--no sparks, no chemistry, for instance. But because of the myriad ways these 2 films DO work for me, the fact that the romantic subplots never really register hasn't really registered. Hell, maybe Nolan will use Catwoman if he does a third film and substitute sexual tension instead. And I'll admit Harvey's transformation might not please some. However, as a long time Batman fan (haven't missed an issue of Batman or Detective in over 20 years), Two-Face has actually always been one of my least favorite characters (sacrilege!). I never much liked Harvey on a number of levels, and actually appreciate a more "real world" approach that jettisons some of the more gimmicky aspects. I'd never have used him in the first place, to be honest. Yet I love the film. I don't necessarily think TDK is an all-time masterpiece, just a hell of a good movie. If at any time over 30 years you'd told me I'd get this version of Batman on the big screen, I would have said you were nuts. But I finally got what I wanted; a lot of us did. That doesn't mean Batman won't be reinterpreted yet again down the line for everyone who isn't happy with this version.
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