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Bullshit BATMAN rumors that are being generated solely for the purpose of traffic!

Hey folks, Harry here... I'm being inundated with bullshit rumors from sites that are just attempting to pad their numbers with created and made up rumors that would cause spikes in traffic because they surround a new BATMAN film. There is not one shred of reality in any of these rumors. The latest batch has Eddie Murphy as THE RIDDLER and Rachel Weisz as Catwoman and apparently Shia LaBeouf as someone. If ANY OF YOU believe any of this bullshit, you have found some crazy awesome drugs and I would like to have some of what you're having. Here's the latest facts on a sequel to DARK KNIGHT... No talent has a finished contract yet. Specifically, Chris Nolan doesn't have a deal. The word I'm having is that Chris would like to do another project before leaping back into BATMAN - if he decides to do another. We're hearing he may very well do THE PRISONER next - which would mean... no valid BATMAN rumors until much later. There is no story treatment on anybody's desk at Warners. No accepted pitches. No talent beyond Chris Nolan has been approached. Now... would Warners like to be immediately in development on the new caped crusader film with Bale and Nolan? You betcha, but that's why they're giving Nolan the room he needs to come back to the cowl. Personally - I'd like Nolan to jettison Bale and make DARK KNIGHT RETURNS and close out his tenure on BATMAN. Starting the next one... 30 years later - a grizzled roughed up and quasi-Fascist BATMAN and a near police state Gotham... I'd just love. and I'd love to have Mickey Rourke play Bats in it. BUT YOU SEE WHAT I JUST DID. I just made some bullshit up. Some stuff I would just love to have happen. BUT IT HAS NO BASIS IN REALITY. Now in the Talkback below - see if you can make up better BATMAN 3 rumors than the folks at E!, SUN and countless other bullshit sites that are just desperate for hits. BUT whatever you do. PLEASE STOP SENDING US THESE LINKS TO BULLSHIT BATMAN RUMORS - It really is getting ridiculous.

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  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST

    OK : I'll bite:

    by xevoid

    What I heard was that Bill Macy as the Shoveler was going to team up with Wes Studi as the Sphinx and Paul Ruebens as some dude who farts a lot, and they were going to rescue Batman when he gets captured by Cassanova Frankenstein, but accidentally kill him in the process.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Bought DARK KNIGHT on DVD the other day...

    by Bean_

    It's so damn good...fuckin a Heath Ledger why'd you have to die like that

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    by axemurder

    dvd ? jeez get with the program it's bluray now guy

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Casting Rumor

    by Jonas Grumpy

    Johnny Depp as Doctor Strange. <BR><BR>(It's not Batman-related, but I just wanted to get it out there. Maybe make it happen in the process.)

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:17 p.m. CST

    I'm game

    by Alex Childress

    I heard that Zac Efron plays Dick Grayson, and Helen Mirren plays Leslie Thompkins, where Bruce tries to decide if he's fit to raise a child. Oh, Gary Oldman pops pills, goes nuts, shoots up an apartment with a family in it, and becomes Joker 2

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Hey Harry...

    by Gus Van Rant

    Is it lonely up there on your pedistal? I kid, you big ape...keep up the good work.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    ~~~THE BULLSHIT HAS HIT THE FAN FOR THE LAST TIME!~~~

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    PLEASE LEAVE NOLAN ALONE OR YOU WILL SCARE HIM AWAY FROM DOING "HUNT THE DARK KNIGHT" OR WHATEVER THE HECK THE THIRD FILM COULD BE CALLED, BECAUSE NOBODY LIKES OVER-OBSESSIVE FANS OR GREEDY STUDIO EXECS OUT TO PILLAGE A TALENT LIKE NOLAN & CO. ... please, just go away, get a new hobby, read new books, and leave them all in peace. thank you... <br> <br> ...though I did hear Robin Williams might do a version of the Riddler asimilar to his turn in "ONE HOUR PHOTO" (tee-hee) =0p ... BULLSHIT!

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    HHH as Bane

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:19 p.m. CST

    According to a friend of mine, who's in the know

    by seppukudkurosawa

    The next movie is going to be an adaptation of Batman RIP and Battle for the Cowl. The word is that the next person to don it after Christian Bale's killed will be Shia Labeouf. <p> I can't reveal my friend's identity, as he'll only end up getting fired. But trust me, in 10 years time, every franchise we grew up with is going to be starring Shia. Instead of playing Six Degrees of Separation from Kevin Bacon, we'll play One Degree of Separation from Shia...he'll be THAT eponymous.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Halle Berry as Catwoman

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Arnold Governator as Mr. Freeze...

    by chromedome

    Nah, that's just stoooopid. No way a piece of shit Batman movie like that would ever get considered, much less actually made....

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Daniel Day-Lewis as Joker

    by Fat and Curious

    Could definitely be done if you made The Dark Knight Returns, but I think you'd be better off using make-up to age Bale and not completely disconnect the movie from the continuity Nolan's already created. Plus Mickey Rourke looks like he smells like dogshit.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:20 p.m. CST

    I'd love to see....

    by macheesmo3

    them set it in space with a ctyogenically frozen batman who gets discovered 300 years in the future ( along with a nemesis reporter) by history students of the future hunting for old relics. After he is thawed he breaks out into a facist filled rage and pushes one girls head into the liquid nitro then crushes it . He gets destroyed later only to have nan-technology forge him ( along with the metal bench he was killed on) into an uber fighting machine ..... well ? :-)

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Harry Knowles as KING TUT...

    by Gus Van Rant

    They are both big blow hards...I kid, you damned dirty ape. How is the weight loss going you mutant?

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Seth Rogen as Mr Freeze

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Will Ferrel as The Riddler!

    by Wrecks

    John C. Riley as Clayface!

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Batman 3 Villan is...

    by Gus Van Rant

    Tony Danza as Egghead.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Jonah Hill as Man-Bat

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Here's a bit of genius casting for BM3...

    by 2dope

    Tom Cruise as The Mad Hatter. And think, it wouldn't even be a stretch...

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Batman will now be played by the corpse of Anne Ramsey

    by Kloipy

    and there will not be a villian they are going more in the direction of a romantic comedy

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST

    scarlett johansson as poison ivy

    by Errockk

    man would i love to hit that

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Rourke CARRIES Fresh Dog Shit in his pocket all the time

    by chromedome

    just so he can fling in the faces of fat, curious punk-asses, before he drags 'em face down in the street outside his car: "I dunno about you, but I"M havin a blast!"

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Mark Wahlberg as Calendar Man

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Man, I've been talking up Mickey Rourke as future Bats too

    by bishopfan85

    But my thinking would be that this should happen only after Nolan is finished with this project. The formula for a Dark Knight Returns flick would have to be reminisent of Sin City so Robert Rodriguez and Frank Miller would be at the helm. Clive Owen could play the Superman of the future and Jack Nicholson could actually reprive the Joker role. Following the Dark Knight we could go right into a Batman Beyond flick.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    This post appears to be "generated solely..."

    by LoneGun

    "...for the purpose of traffic!"

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Everyone knows Black Mask is the next villain

    by most excellent ninja

    and they'll get some A-list actor(not celebrity) to play the part and Nolanize Black Mask. He makes the most sense.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Eastwood as old grizzled Batman

    by Vicconius

    It's the only way. Pony up the dough and make it happen before he dies. Let Clint develop and direct it. Please. Really.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Armie Hammer as Batman

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Scarlett J, Penelope C, Lena Heady, Olivia Wilde...

    by chromedome

    ... Yvonne StraHOTski, Leighton Meester, Jessica Alba, Adriana Lima...<p>Starring in Batman Something---whatever, just make that movie with these women--don't matter if Bales or Borgnine plays the bat...

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Arnold Vosloo has been cast as King Tut!

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    This has been 100% verified as the truth. I have Christopher Nolan's telephone number and he said it was true. At least I think it was Christopher Nolan. I got the number from a toilet cubicle and the guy on the phone had a strange German accent. But it's the truth!

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Eastwood is like 400 years old

    by most excellent ninja

    Dark Knight Returns Bruce is supposed to be 55, but worn out.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Sylvester Stallone as Rambo!

    by most excellent ninja

    You know it.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Leslie Nielson as Frank Drebin!

    by most excellent ninja

    Part 2.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    MIchael Clarke Duncan as The Penguin

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones!

    by most excellent ninja

    Part 3.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Al Pacino as Michael Corleone!

    by most excellent ninja

    This makes the most sense.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Good thing Harry doesn't make movies...

    by EjkoUSC

    Yeah lets jettison Bale and the current thread thats working SO WELL in favor of recasting Batman as an old ugly fuck in one of the most overrated story threads in comic history. Im SO SO glad Harry doesn't make movies.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Robert DeNiro as Jake La Motta!

    by most excellent ninja

    You know this is a good choice.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:32 p.m. CST

    TOBY JONES...

    by Goonie

    ...AS THE PENGUIN!

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Edward Norton as The Riddler

    by Flint_Ironstag

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Good post, Harry

    by kesoze4

    Thoughtful and informative. Almost shows leadership potential.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Christopher Nolan should do a reboot of his Batman series

    by Kloipy

    with Al Roker as Bats, and Janice Dickenson as the city of Gotham

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Brendan Fraser as Killer Croc

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Bring back Liam Neeson

    by beetlegeuse

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Go Harry

    by hallmitchell

    You really kicked A$$ on that post. Fanboys be politically aware. Chris must be exhausted after Dark Knight. Give him a break. Nothing will be happening on Batman for quite a while. So let everyone settle down and just enjoy next years slate of films. Harry you had an awesome suggestion. I would like to see though Riddler and maybe a small cameo from Superman.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Terrence Howard as War Machine

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Michelle Pfeifer as Catwoman

    by beetlegeuse

    Danny Devito as Penguin, Its perfect... if only there was someway to involve Christopher Walken...

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Jean Claude Van Damme as JCVD

    by DDMAN26

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Samuel L Jackson as Robin

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Chris Tucker as Robin! Chuck Heston as Black Glove!

    by MrD

    Harry Knowles as the Penguin! Tina Fey as Poison Ivy! John Waters as Deadshot!

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST

    one time... on the internet... i read that...

    by force_fed

    there are like already plans for that like suit that batman wore when he was like really old to fight superman and stuff. and that like they'd already cast ricardo montalban as old batman, but they were going to like make him wear a chest plate so he looked all buff and stuff... yeah... on the internet.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:41 p.m. CST

    The villians for the next movie will be...

    by bgeek

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:42 p.m. CST

    The villians for the next movie will be...

    by bgeek

    vampires and werewolves. Robin will be played by a certain sexy, tomboy, beanpole.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:44 p.m. CST

    THANK YOU

    by loquaciousmuse

    seriously. i'm so sick of checking my blogs for the past 3 days and seeing batman rumors that aren't true at all EVERYWHERE. that's for bringing some attention to this issue. it drives me nuts.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    I heard...

    by DuncanHines

    They're going to get John Malkovich to play Mr Freeze. Johnny Depp to play the Ventriloquist. Little Jimmy Gordon from Dark Knight is going to be Robin. And in Part 4, the Red Rain Elseworlds movie, Commisioner Gordon, played by Gary Oldman, is bitten by Dracula, played by Gary Oldman, and defeated by Batman as a vampire, played by Keanu Reeves...

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Tom Everett Scott as the Riddler

    by Bloo

    I read that somewhere *cough*Olegthreadinthezone*cough*<P>Ian McShane as the Penguin<P>Joseph Goden Levitt as an makeup free Joker<P>Scarlett Johansenn as Harley Quinn

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Marlon Wayans As ROBIN

    by guerillakarma

    and Robin Williams as The Riddler

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Keira Knightley is in talks to play the Batpole

    by epitone

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:48 p.m. CST

    William H Macy

    by enderandrew

    William H Macy as the Riddler much in the vein of the Zodiac killer. Here is the pitch. The mob was been weakened greatly. The Joker is in Arkham. But what if The Joker whispered secrets to the Zodiac. He knows that some of the cops are dirty. He knows that Batman lied to cover up Two-Face. And the Joker is still an agent of chaos, he has a protege who is willing to tip off Gotham. What if the people don't trust the cops? They don't trust Batman? Who can they trust?

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Third film

    by diskoh

    I don't post on this site much, but I saw all these rumors and thought I'd make a post. I work at WB (not a big shot or anything) and can tell you that Mia Kirshner has been approached to play Catwoman.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST

    HARRY KNOWLES AS PENGUIN!!!!

    by solartaco3

    You heard it hear first!

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Damn You Impatient Bat-Fans

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    Damn You Impatient Bat-Fans

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Harry...have you lost your mind?

    by Logan_1973

    That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever read for a Batman 3 idea. My God.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Halle Berry returning as retard Catwoman!!!!

    by Power_Girl

    Because that wasn't the real Catwoman, just some impersonator who had green cat breath blown in her face.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:08 p.m. CST

    DKR

    by Hellpop

    please please please never turn Dark Knight Returns into a movie. It would be absolutely ridiculous.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Brett Ratner is set to take over as director

    by canopus

    Since Nolan wants to do The Prisoner first, he's being replaced by Ratner, since he did such a good job with X3.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Ben Stiller as Mr. Furious

    by Hamtaro Hentai

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:11 p.m. CST

    I dunno...

    by HapaPapa72

    I've always thought it'd be cool to make-(I just deleted everything I wrote...I don't want anyone to take credit for it. But damn it's good.)

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:13 p.m. CST

    by Runs with a Gut

    The Dark Knight was leaden and pompous and very ho-hum. Ledger managed to elevate it beyond the mediocre, but it's not a transcendent film, not by a long stretch. If you believe so then Hollywood has beaten you. <p> Batman is clearly a lucrative franchise for Warner Bros. As with the comics, there could be multiple film iterations - interpretations - of Batman, with a new Batman adventure in theaters every summer. <p> I say bring back Burton and Keaton for one final romp through the nuthouse and then give Aronofsky and Rourke the keys to Wayne Manor until Nolan is ready to take another swing at it.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight was ...

    by Runs with a Gut

    ... leaden and pompous and very ho-hum. Ledger managed to elevate it beyond the mediocre, but it's not a transcendent film, not by a long stretch. If you believe so then Hollywood has beaten you. <p> Batman is clearly a lucrative franchise for Warner Bros. As with the comics, there could be multiple film iterations - interpretations - of Batman, with a new Batman adventure in theaters every summer. <p> I say bring back Burton and Keaton for one final romp through the nuthouse and then give Aronofsky and Rourke the keys to Wayne Manor until Nolan is ready to take another swing at it.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Aronofsky

    by enderandrew

    Aronofsky's input when he was working on Batman: Year One no doubt had an influence on Batman Begins. If Nolan is burned out, I would trust Aronofsky.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Christian Bale as the Black Glove

    by sean bean

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Apparently...

    by montimer

    Batman 3 is not on hold so Nolan can make another film, but because he is waiting until scientists can cure death and raise Heath Ledger from the grave. <br /> He is also in talks with the Estate of Cesar Romero with a view to raising his corpse to play the Joker's father. <br /> Nolan has also stated that he wants to revive the careers of Jake Lloyd and Haley Joel Osment so that they can ply Dick Grayson and Jason Todd.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Mickey Rourke???

    by TheWacoKid

    What the hell? He might be a good Batman, but there is no way in hell he could pull off Bruce Wayne. The one thing that is more imoportant then any casting of the third movie is STOP THE BATMCGRUFF TALKING. That is the single worst part of both Batman movies. God it is awful.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Next thing they will say is that Arnold got signed for

    by Wheel99

    Mr Freeze... lol. No studio would be stupid enough to do that....... oh. never mind.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Live action Batman Beyond

    by Gorehog

    I heard Warner's is going to use the Nolan/Bayle break to start a Batman Beyond franchise. McG will direct and Chris Nolan is going to play Kid Batman.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:23 p.m. CST

    will be called "Balance of the Force"

    by jrags1138

    with Grando Calrissian as an urban sidekick played by Samuel l Jackson

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:25 p.m. CST

    I have a friend who works at WB

    by The Amazing G

    he says they're trying to get Kirk Fogg as the Riddler and Marc Summer as Penguin

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Michael Keaton as The Joker

    by TheMadSpin

    Rumors are that the only way the studio could bring back the Joker (a long time intent) would be in a splashy manner. There is only one way you can replace a role made iconic by a performance and a tragedy and that's by casting another icon. Keaton has proven he has the chops of a pasty prankster thanks to his turn as Beetlejuice. That, plus the sinister vibe that comes from having a former Batman play his iconic nemesis places this choice over the top. The studio is also in talks to sign former Ringling Brother clown Kevin C. Carr (famous for his role portraying the elves in Polar Express) as the Riddler.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:34 p.m. CST

    How quickly people forget their roots...

    by Flim Springfield

    Padding hits with lame rumours is how AICN made it big!

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Karl Rove as Mr Freeze!

    by MisterBib

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Raymond Burr as the Penguin

    by the milf lover

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Vern Troyer as Bat-Mite

    by Internet Thug

    but seriously E! needs hits? I would think they get far more traffic than AICN

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:44 p.m. CST

    EDDIE MURPHY AS THE RIDDLER!

    by alice 13

    and eddie murphy as robin! and eddie murphy as catwoman! and eddie murphy as king tut! and eddie murphy as the penguin! and eddie murphy as mr. freeze! and eddie murphy as poison ivy! and... etc, etc, etc.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Bring back George Clooney

    by Chishu_Ryu

    And have him rub his throat with alum every time Batman says a line...

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Shadow of the Bat.

    by UltimaRex

    How do you save someone who is terrified of you? 3 and a half years after TDK and the "Bat-murders" are out of control. People are blaming Batman for every unsolved murder, every missing person. Into this comes the Riddler. Obsessed with "solving" Batman and happy to kill to do it. Catwoman, using Gotham's fear of costumes to steal. And the Huntress who is determined to help Batman out of guilt. But the Riddler will make a fatal error. He is going to get the one person who "knows" Batman. He's going to talk to the Joker...

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 7:54 p.m. CST

    C. Nolan will drop out, D. Aronofsky will pick it up...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...and indeed cast Mickey Rourke as an aging Batman...

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Posts for traffice

    by mjbok1

    God knows this site has never put up BS information or lied about how it came about it to drive traffic. How dare any other site do the same exact thing?

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Jesus, Harry...

    by DarqueGuy

    Didn't this site get popular because you used to publish every wild rumor you got your hands on? Isn't what you're condemning initially what put butts in the seats around here? If you don't want to publish the rumors, then don't, but don't try to fucking regulate what people send you because, eventually, all the good stuff will dry up, too. Sell-out or hypocrite? I'm wavering between the two...

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Clooney for Dark Knight Returns

    by The Funketeer

    He's old enough. He's got the voice. And he deserves a chance to redeem himself for Batman and Robin.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Man...The Dark Knight Returns would be sweet...

    by Blue_Demon

    Stephen McHattie as Batman/Bruce Wayne. The guy looks in good shape.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Crispin Glover as The Riddler...

    by Space Disc Jockey

    Crispin Glover as The Riddler. Philip Seymour Hoffman as Penguin. Charlize Theorn as Catwoman. Ron Perlman as Mr. Freeze.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Liam Neeson for Ras Al Ghul

    by Darth Valinorean

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Christian Bale for Penguin

    by Darth Valinorean

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Wow Harry

    by BEEK

    I like that idea. Good one! That would rule. WB would never do it. Let's hope they give Chris some time. Let's not rush things. You can't top Dark Kight. As far as Batman goes, that was it folks. Let's hope we at least get another Batman Begins.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Lucas & Nolan collaborate?

    by Darth Valinorean

    Hearing Lucas is helping Nolan get Bats3 off the ground. Caine is going to play a Yoda kind of role with Natalie Portman coming back to life as Rachel after escaping the bomb blast in TDK. Bale is going to be playing Bruce Wayne, but they got Clooney to get his nipples on again for the batsuit. And yea, Shia is Robin. R2D2 is the OMAC project and Superman makes a guest appearance - Singer is going to get in front of the camera as Big Blue. And yea, Will Smith is now Lucius Fox... OH NOOOO YOU DIDNT USE CELL PHONES TO FIND THE JOKER????

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Harry's fantasies are retarded

    by UMAGA

    Why the fuck would you do a third film and replace Christian Bale? What else happens in your fantasies, Harry? Does Eva Mendes get naked only to eat and eat for days on end until she becomes obese and farts through a glass window? SICKO.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:23 p.m. CST

    O-TAY!

    by alice 13

    widdl me dis: wheb ida bat liba mab? when ida batmab!

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Willen DeFoe as an older Joker in DKR?

    by Blue_Demon

    Can you imagine him prancing around like the character in the comic book?

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Christina Ricci as Harley Quinn

    by Rindain

    Moon Bloodgood as Selina Kyle.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Thank goodness!

    by Cotton McKnight

    I jumped to this site after reading those very rumors on some british tabloid website. Eddie Murphy, I could see. But when I read Shia Labeouf I KNEW this wasn't true. Unless Nolan got kicked off the series or something. But even more ridiculous is Harry's fantasy storyline. That was horrible.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Nipples on the Bat-Suit lactate...

    by pussyslayer09

    I am dead fucking serious on this one...Willem Dafoe told me while he was sucking on my ball sack...

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Harry Knowles' ass hole to replace the bat cave!

    by BigGuy219

    That's right. AICN's own Harry Knowles has been cast in the new Batman movie. His ginormous asshole will be used to represent the famed bat cave. Upon learning of the decision Christian Bale was quoted as saying, "I'm very excited about exploring Harry's ass. I just hope he stops eating corn during production." The iconic image of the batmobile driving out Knowles' ass is expected to generate an R rating for the upcoming feature.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Corey Feldman as The Time Master

    by UMAGA

    TAKIN IT BACK TO THE 80S!

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:33 p.m. CST

    YOUNG CHUCK NORRIS AS ALFRED

    by J-Dizzle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:33 p.m. CST

    YOUNG CHUCK NORRIS AS ROBIN

    by J-Dizzle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Michael Keaton is the only one who should star in The Dark Knigh

    by darthflagg

    He's still the best Batman. Bale has the physicality, but Keaton has the craziness and a better Batman voice. He deserves the chance to play Batman one final time.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    YOUNG CHUCK NORRIS AS A BAZOOKA PENGUIN

    by J-Dizzle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST

    YOUNG CHUCK NORRIS AS A MOB GUY

    by J-Dizzle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST

    more batman

    by illegaltouching

    Watching TDK for a second time on DVD, all its positives and negatives are enhanced. Everything with the Joker is dead on. Harvey Dent was as he should be. BatVoice: terrible. BatSonar: unnecessary. Two Face: needed his own movie or at least a better death. There's at least one more movie needed in the realistic-Batman milieu. I love the idea of an over the hill Batman, but can we wait a while until he's fighting Superman in robo-suit? If the 3rd movie naturally follows TDK, then there should be two villains, the city of Gotham and the Penguin (played by Ricky Gervais, just kidding).

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:36 p.m. CST

    YOUNG CHUCK NORRIS AS VICKI VALE

    by J-Dizzle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    YOUNG CHUCK NORRIS AS THE CROC DUDE

    by J-Dizzle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    EVA GREEN IN DISCUSSIONS TO PLAY SELINA KYLE

    by DivisionPost

    Nolan, if for whatever reason you come to Catwoman for a third Batman film, you need to make this happen. Green and Bale would play off each other perfectly.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    YOUNG CHUCK NORRIS AS AN OLD BRUCE WAYNE

    by J-Dizzle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:38 p.m. CST

    DAVID TENNANT AS THE RIDDLER

    by UMAGA

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Batman vs. Predator...

    by Space Disc Jockey

    Maybe, they'll finally make "Batman vs. Predator"...anyone read the comic and see "Batman: Dead End"?

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:39 p.m. CST

    MICHAEL KEATON AS 60s GANGTER WHITE NOISE

    by UMAGA

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Predator is owned by FOX

    by UMAGA

    Nice try

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    YOUNG CHUCK NORRIS AS SELINA KYLE

    by J-Dizzle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    NICK STAHL AS BRUCE WAYNE

    by UMAGA

    CAREER NO LONGER AT A STAHL, EDDIE FURLONG TO PLAY HOMELESS BRUCE.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST

    ELLEN TO PLAY COCKBLOCK

    by UMAGA

    CATWOMAN'S LESBANIZE FRIEND.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST

    YOUNG CHUCK NORRIS AS THE MAD HATTER

    by J-Dizzle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:43 p.m. CST

    YOUNG CHUCK NORRIS AS BATZARRO

    by J-Dizzle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:44 p.m. CST

    YOUNG CHUCK NORRIS AS CATMAN

    by J-Dizzle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:44 p.m. CST

    YOUNG CHUCK NORRIS AS RUBY RYDER

    by J-Dizzle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:46 p.m. CST

    YOUNG CHUCK NORRIS AS POISON IVY

    by J-Dizzle

    That would be perfect since they're both redheads!

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Your idea for a movie is terrible

    by Aeghast

    Stick to bashing bullshit rumors like the brit ones--you're better at it ; )

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    YOUNG CHUCK NORRIS AS.... I'M SPENT

    by J-Dizzle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:49 p.m. CST

    NO WAIT

    by J-Dizzle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST

    YOUNG CHUCK NORRIS AS J-DIZZLE

    by J-Dizzle

    Now I'm really done with my bullshit rumors. Feel free to use young chuck norris how you wish.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST

    by jelac07

    I say Jared Padelecki for the Joker, if they use the character again... that dude was wicked evil crazy in "Born Under a Bad Sign"...

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Jettison Bale? Replace him with Rourke????

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Jesus God, that's actually WORSE than the rumors! Well, not quite, but nearly as bad. Just because you have an idea, Harry, doesn't mean it's a good one. In fact, it's the EXACT OPPOSITE!! I will echo someone else's sentiments about thanking god you don't make movies. But then again, you do kinda, don't you?

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Gary Coleman as Batboy

    by crazybubba

    In an apparent rip off of the Smallville franchise Nolan has decided to do a movie about Batman's teen years. A character study of pubescent Batman and his long forgotten black fingernail polish wearing goth phase.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight Returns wouldn't make much sense

    by eggart

    as a sequel, but I'd love to see an animated film series based on Frank Miller's Batman projects. Disney-style animation with all the satirical (or not) fascist and misogynist overtones intact.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Don't dump Bale, but please DUB HIS VOICE!!!!!

    by Drath

    Surely someone can give him a better Batman voice!!! The Batman Voice is the single worst part of The Dark Knight.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:19 p.m. CST

    WHAT ABOUT REPOSTING SAID RUMORS FOR THE PURPOSE OF TRAFFIC?!!

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Thats totally cool?

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Michelle Williams as Harley Quinn

    by eliotalenwalnut

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Jim Gordan

    by watch_the_world_burn

    HAS A BEER AND CHEETS ON HIS WIFE!!!

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Amy Poehler as Harley Quinn

    by BigGuy219

    She is the only one with the sense of humor and facial expressions that can pull it off.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Nolan's Doing THE PRISONER Remake?

    by LaserPants

    Suddenly I have hope for a project I previously thought was the highest form of blasphemy. Hell, I'm positively interested! I could see him doing it and doing it well.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:36 p.m. CST

    I'll recycle my favorite

    by greenstyle92

    The next one is Batman Ends. Batman still on the run, the mob crumbling, the city being overrun by "Joker Copycats," (basically a lot of the other rouges gallery) one such copycat named The Riddler surfaces and uses elaborate and cryptic clues to toy with Gordon and Batman. in the midst of all of this, a ray of light- People in Gotham have hit the breaking point, and are finally standing up for themselves, no longer intimidated. People are coming forth finally naming names, finally putting the worst behind bars. The corrupt police abating, and a new generation of good cops is volunteering at the department. Riddler is making his last ditch effort to solidify and control crime, and Batman, on the run, is the only one who can stop him. In the midst of this, Riddler reveals Batman's identity to the city. A final confrontation with Riddler and hired thug Bane leaves Batman triumphant but nearly crippled, and he and alfred flee into seclusion as Gotham heals, looking into a new dawn of no mob, clean police, and no masks. This marks the end of the franchise.oh, but a teaser reveals two face is alive in arkham.<br> <br> In 2025, Nolan and Bale re-team one last time for a "Rocky Balboa/Live Free Die Hard/Kingdom of Crystal Skull" esque "one final latter day sequel," and this one really is an adaption of Dark Knight Returns, featuring the Return of Joker and Two Face, and ending with Batman's maybe death. That's what I'd like to see.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Batshit BULLMAN Rumors

    by LaserPants

    See what I did there? FUCKIN YEEEAAAHH!

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST

    I still want Clint Eastwood much older Wayne

    by br1947

    yea, he's old, but he's the ultimate crusty badass. Recast Joker, build a 40 year Joker/Batman ongoing war backstory and have a final Sherlock Holmes / Moriarty battle to the death. Battle to end all battles, burn Gotham to the ground.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Or Zack Snyder,

    by greenstyle92

    Just let Zack Snyder do a direct adaption of DKR, that seems to be his forte. Release it in a spring slot and explain to the audience that Snyder's film is not related to the Nolan films. I think the audience can accept that.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    BBBBUUUUULLLLLLLSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHIIIIIIIT!

    by DisneyFanatic

    But I did like the idea of the movie being named "Gotham."

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Or Catwoman for the next one.

    by greenstyle92

    After TDK, I think Batman has earned some pussy.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    "It'll work against cats." Says Lucius Fox In A Clear Reference

    by LaserPants

    Guess?

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    CATWOMAN!!!

    by LaserPants

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Liam Neeson as Victor Fries

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    it'll be a cold day...

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Since Iron Man looked so good

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    It makes a live action Batman Beyond not sound so unreasonable

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Rachel Bruce Wayne's Ex Should Return As Harlequin

    by Media Messiah

    I was attacked on this months ago, but I'm right. That said, Chris Nolan's version of Batman still sucks!!!

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Melvin Pelvis broke the joke

    by greenstyle92

    Liam Neeson is already Ra's Al Ghul in this continuity.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST

    adam west IS batman

    by generasputinhole

    the third batman is gonna be in the batman beyond universe, with West as the aging, long-retired hero, and shia lebouf will be you young buck who takes up the cowl in his stead. oh, and it'll be done in the style of Bollywood Musicals, doing for that genre what Dark Knight did for crime drama...

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Anurag Dikshit as...

    by wash

    I don't care, I just want to see that guy's name on the poster.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:57 p.m. CST

    BALE ISN'T TO BLAME!

    by UMAGA

    They used effects to fuck up his voice. Seriously.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Mario Lopez as Louie the Lilac

    by FlyingToupee

    He teams up with Screech, who will play the Riddler. Both want to bang Catwoman(Elizabeth Berkley), but she's hot for Batman(Mark-Paul Gosselaar). It ends with a big Bat orgy.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Catwoman

    by BERSERKR

    Ok im not going to read this entire talkback, so maybe someone has mentioned this already but Stupid Rumour aside i think Rachel weis would make an amazing Catwoman.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    How ironic...

    by rassmguy

    ...AICN complaining about the dissemination of highly inaccurate and unsubstantiated rumors. Yah.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:13 p.m. CST

    But THE SUN said it!

    by KCMOSHer

    I mean, it's THE SUN, so it HAS to be...oh, wait, this is reality and that guarantees it's nonsense.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Ricky Gervais as ALfred

    by mojoman69

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Mick Jagger as Alfred

    by mojoman69

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Brendan Fraser is set to replace Bale as Batman...

    by Corterville

    ...and Keanu Reeves will replace Heath Ledger as the Joker. And yeah, William Shatner is the new Alfred.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Harry just JUMPED THE SHARK!

    by coconutgroves

    Rourke as Batman? Yeah, that is a great idea! That's why you write movie gossip and not scripts.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:29 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight: Dawn Of the Mastebator

    by ThePilgrim

    Paul Rubens play the title villain in this quasi sequel to the Dark Knight. Sure of something rotten in Gotham. Paul Rubens jerks off all over town in public trying to bring attention upon the batman coverup blame game. The Mob hires him to squeeze one off on the batman. They fake a robbery and manage to get his attention. Rubens starts to work one off. the mob snipes some image of the folly jerkoff/fight between Bats and Rubes. Maroni smiles. Surely images of Ruben's jerking off in front of the bat will end what little following remains for him as a justice fighter in gotham. I can see it now. <P> Batman: "Stop what you are doing right now Rubens!" <P> Paul Rubens: I'll stop jerking it just as soon as you take off that mask and show us all who you really are.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Everyone been talking about a 30 year later

    by ThePilgrim

    Batman movie with the police in on the corruption. Seriously don't even try to take cred for that. Frank Miller already set that stone down and many fans have said "DO IT!!!!!!!" for ages now.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST

    I am Christopher Nolan

    by Enderpilot

    I'm using a friend's computer. I think this is all pretty funny. You guys are way off. I am beginning to work through some ideas. I haven't come up with specific characters besides Gotham city. I was going to do another project, but batman is what keeps me up at night, just like the criminals of Gotham. Check back with me later.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    This is a fun game :)

    by Dreamfasting

    Start with Riddler and Harley Quinn as throwaway inspired-by-Joker characters (akin to the Scarecrow scene). Have Batman torn between Catwomen and Talia al Ghul while investigating a new emerging crime boss looking to gain influence over the police force through corruption and blackmail (Solomon Grundy).

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Samuel L. Jackson as The Octopus!

    by BigGuy219

    ...oops. Wrong thread. sry

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Harry Knowles as fat Alfred E. Neuman

    by johnnyg korrupt

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Harry Knowles as ALF

    by johnnyg korrupt

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Anne Hathaway as Gorilla Grodd, Piper Perabo as Darkseid

    by YackBacker

    And Grodd and Darkseid are lesbian lovers. Now, somebody tell me where do I pick up my Oscar again?

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Harry Knowles as the Lion from Wizard of Oz

    by johnnyg korrupt

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:46 p.m. CST

    George Lucas' neckfat as Clayface!

    by YackBacker

    2 hours of Clayface telling us about the hero's journey and Joeseph Campbell. You will all pay to see this shit, admit it.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST

    THE PRISONER!!!

    by sonnyfern

    FUCK BATMAN. A Prisoner feature film? Man oh man. I think it'd be impossible to do, it's my favorite TV show EVER. I watch them all at least once a year to keep myself sane. I'm not sure if transforming it into a movie can be done, but shit if anyone can do it...it's Nolan.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST

    CAN'T DO A DKR MOVIE ADAPTATION

    by J-Dizzle

    Seriously? You're going to have Superman fight Batman?

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Why the fuck would Nolan all of a sudden do a straight adaptatio

    by Mattyboy122

    He hasn't done one yet, so why would he all of a sudden decide, 'hey, I'm gonna do Dark Knight Returns'? It's a dumb idea. As for topping The Dark Knight, I have serious doubts, but Nolan has surprised me before, so we'll see.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Ben Affleck playing Keith Olbermann as Solomon Grundy

    by YackBacker

    Follow the bouncing ball, people. Oh yeah, and Tina Fey playing Palin as my dick sock.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Amy Winehouse as the "This is a nice coat" guy's daughter

    by YackBacker

    "This is a nice crackpipe!"

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:56 p.m. CST

    The real skinny...

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    Henson Productions has been approached to do a movie to fill in the time it will take for Bale and company to do the third one. The working title is "The Dark Muppet." Kermit the frog as Bruce/Batman. Miss Piggy as Catwoman. Gonzo as the Riddler. And Animal as Bane. This will be played absolutely straight, so much so that an R rating is very likely if the script is followed. When Bane beats the stuffing out of Batman, he really beats the stuffing out of Batman. Kermit has been reported to already be in an intensive weight training program. If anyone knows any more details of this project, please come forward.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Pornstar Jelena Jensen as "Tits McShyslut"

    by YackBacker

    I think Tits appeared in a one-shot back in the 70s, someone please confirm this one.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Joey Lauren Adams as the dubbed-over voice of Bale in the batsui

    by YackBacker

    That would scare criminals a heck of a lot more than the "raspy whisper-shout" that Bale employs.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:07 p.m. CST

    On that note, gotta go write Holiday cards

    by YackBacker

    Heck of a transition from this stuff to "I wish you and yours all the best" etc. Had to get it out of my system, I guess...

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Harry

    by unionJACKass.webs.com

    Nice article, man. This is why I fell in love with the site in the first place. We need more articles like this more often from YOU. With Mori sadly leaving AICN it's up to you to pull your finger out remind us why AICN is the best movie site.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Glen Hansard as The Busker!

    by Mgmax

    I'm officially tired of Batman. What is it now, five, six movies in the last 20 years? I'm done. Guy in batsuit. Weird villains trying to wreck the city. Tortured. Got it. Thanks.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:23 p.m. CST

    I can't see to type

    by deanbarry

    Still realing from the visual brilliance that is IMAX on blu-ray. Those scenes filmed in said format have left me blind. Wowsers. Sensory overload. As for the next Bat Attack...hmmm, i will be watching Batman Begins and The Dark Knight back to back for a good long while. I will be patient and wait quietly until the day a flash of brilliant inspiration strikes Nolan and co and we get the film that we deserve. Again.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:32 p.m. CST

    The next Batman

    by gotilk

    ...and this is from a source VERY close to the people who made this up...<br> it will feature Batman at the age of 90. He's living a mostly virtual existence, a 3d expanse so realistic it makes the Matrix look like space wars. He is the virtual "crime czar" for not only Gotham, but the entire country. It's basically a desk job that lets him pretend he's healthy and physical when in actuality he's bed-ridden, like most of the rich who survived his generation. But what Gotham and the rest of the country does not know is that he's set up a hundred fully realistic Batmen that he can take over and "embody" through the worldwide wireless network. What he sees, his robotic selves see. What he imagines with his mind, they do. This is how he fights crime as Batman. He is expected to live on in some fashion, but through having his brain copied to a new robotic life form. A new body. A young man who worships the villains of Batman's past (and often acts as them in a virtual world), discovers his secret life and takes over all but one of The Batman's robotic bodies. He transforms most of them into all of Batman's famous foes and embodies them one by one. He destroys all archived "versions" of Bruce Wayne's brain and the only real copy is the one uploaded to the last remaining Batman "robot". But I don't want to spoil the end for you guys. My source is VERY trusted. In other words, he's a guy for sure. And he writes stuff. CONFIRMED!!

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Rourke as Batman?! Who's on the "crazy drugs" now Harry?

    by slder78

    Maybe Clint Eastwood, or Kurt Russell, but Rourke? I don't care how good he is in The Wrestler, his face looks like someone that Batman punished not vice versa.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Richard Simmons as Bats in the Nolan Universe

    by Horace Cox

    C'mon, you know you'd pay to see it. The costume alone would be pricless with those short-shorts.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:44 p.m. CST

    I'd like to see Nolan tackle

    by My friends call me Killjoy

    whatever he wants. He's made two good hero movies in a row that don't follow any real established comic storyline. Give him some time and let him do what feels right for his series.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Yeah, seriously, Harry... Mickey Rourke?

    by Stifler's Mom

    You sound like all of the fanboys whose memory doesn't stretch back beyond this year's Oscar season. And I bet if this subject came up last year, you would be throwing our Javier Bardem or Daniel Day Lewis, right?

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Harry, you're even late to this party.

    by JimCurry

    A dozen other sites have already lampooned the Batman rumormill in the last few days. Coincidence that you're doing it now, I suppose...

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST

    No Rourke could work. He really could if they shot today

    by Stormwatcher

    cuz how long he can hold it? Plus his size is perfect and frankly his face is what Batman's would be after so many brutal, brutal, fights. I mean Bale is going to have to go ugly at some point to be realistic. I always think of the original Daredevil script where he drags himself into the bathroom and does surgery ect on his face, takes countless pills ect... that kinda needs to happen in a TDKReturns movie, and let's face it, someday, someone, will direct a Dark Knight Returns. Man that day will own more than seeing LOTR in 2001

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST

    ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?

    by Ambush_Bug

    This site is the NUMBER ONE PERPETRATOR OF BULLSHIT RUMOR CONTENT. Harry you stupid, fat, communist fuck. There is practically zero value to your "articles" - as much of it is based on rumors, lies, and hearsay. Why the fuck this site has become so popular is beyond me. I go away for a month, then I come back and it makes me wretch even more than the last time. Now I just visit to see how badly you bunch of faggots top yourselves. And no, shithead... they will NEVER make a Dark Knight Returns... NEVER. Cock ass.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Sider and Stifler, is your Batman a skinny dude? Mine aint

    by Stormwatcher

    I don't recall Batman needing to hitch up his utility belt since he's so slim. Daniel Day Lewis and Clint Eastwood would be terrible, stop and think about it, yes, at every stage of their career and age, wrong. Kurt Russell, hell yeah. Absolutely, but I would prefer he be Roland Deschaine in Dark Tower JJ Abrams whatever. Batman takes a beating in the comics, its why we love him. Scars man, not tattoos.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Hmm, I would love it if they took it another...

    by ckone

    Direction entirely and made the Long Halloween. I would much rather see Batman having to SOLVE a Crime using his detective skills, rather than his cool James bond gagetry. I have loved the first two Nolan batmans, and the Dark Knight is just lightyears ahead of Begins, Love everything and a bag of chips. But I want something different , more challenging than another "BADGUY" Batman movie. The JOKER IS THE TOP of Batmans Rogues, no one, NO ONE comes close to Joker,So I would love it if it was ALL about BATMAN trying to solve a huge murder mystery, while fighting crime in the alleys of Gotham, and also fighting the cops who are hunting him since DK...NO VILLAIN. JUST BATMAN trying to do his thing. Being a detective, using his brains...and kicking some ass too.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:21 a.m. CST

    How about Heath Ledger as The Joker?

    by otm shank

    Nah......that probably wouldn't work. Nevermind.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Tom Cruise as the Hamburgler!

    by Particularly Hard Vato

    and Seth Green as the leader of the Thundercats!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Isn't A&E Doing a Prisoner Show?

    by Playhouse

    Didn't I hear that A&E is doing a remake series of The Prisoner with Ian McKellan involved? Supposed to be out next year, I think.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Harvey Fierstein as Robin

    by ThePilgrim

    Has the same Raspy voice but more homoerotic.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Yep

    by Playhouse

    Ian McKellan and Jim Caviezel. Comes out next year. http://tinyurl.com/4aw99v Seems weird to be doing a movie so soon too.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Hey, gotilk...

    by Lord John Whorfin

    Is your other screen name "JDanielP?"

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1 a.m. CST

    Jim Carrey

    by GavinVanDraven

    as the Riddler? yeah? yeah? just kidding, that'd never work.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:05 a.m. CST

    seriously...

    by GavinVanDraven

    why so serious? johnny depp is the riddler.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:06 a.m. CST

    FUCK DARK KNIGHT RETURNS

    by sloanist

    I will happily take a Bale sequel. DUMB IDEA.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:10 a.m. CST

    My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend

    by Trancer

    heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who was in a threesome with this chick at Warner Brothers who told her that David Letterman is already signed to play the Riddler, and Oprah Winfrey is in talks to play Catwoman.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Jason Biggs as Batman in The Dark Knight Returns

    by Xiphos_2

    Search your feelings, you know this too be true.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Javier Bardem as Bane!

    by Raymar

    Emmanuelle Chriqui as Talia!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Mickey Rooney as Batman...

    by RedwingsHoolihan

    50 years later

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Carrie Fisher, Paul Simmon & a Shitload of Coke

    by ThePilgrim

    as Batbitch and New More Musical Alfred- in the 30 years later HK inspired Dark Knight Returns. Bea Arthur as Catman. Bryan Singer as 2nd Best Grip, Coffee Boy, Glory Hole, and Robin.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:29 a.m. CST

    FUCK THIS TB! FRANK MILLER IS GOD!

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Best DB Qoute Ever- "Shitload Of Cock!"

    by ThePilgrim

    Which is funnier when you say it "Cockload of Shit" Piss Dumping on The Scatogorical Shitbags of Yesteryear!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:38 a.m. CST

    JETTISON CHRISTIAN BALE!!

    by MattmanReturns

    I mean, what has Christian Bale ever done for Batman, except bring acting chops, physique, and the exact look of Bruce Wayne to the character? Fuck Bale for being the perfect Batman.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:39 a.m. CST

    So good- It's Cockloaded!

    by ThePilgrim

    Cockloaded full of SHIT!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Greasy wet mulitcolored peppered in peanuts and corn

    by ThePilgrim

    Cockloads of Shit!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Uwe Boll to take over for Nolan...

    by tie3456

    And I also heard that Andy Dick has just been cast as the next main villain, the Bookworm. Tomorrow the studio will also announce Dane Cook as the Riddler, Justin Long as Robin, and Britney Spears as Batgirl.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Christopher Nolan as Captain Kirk!

    by most excellent ninja

    AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:12 a.m. CST

    This just came in!

    by graigje

    Hey Guys, This story is the real deal, the next Batman movie isn’t going to be a direct sequel to The Dark Knight. The next Batman movie will be a Superman/Batman movie. Why? Because they (WB) want to do a reboot of the Superman franchise. No word on who will be playing Superman/Clark Kent yet but Christian Bale will be Batman/Bruce Wayne, and Gary Old man will return as Com. Gordon. Details about the plot are still vague, but Lex Luther is going to be the main villain. And apparently there will be a Victor Fries working for Lex Luther, setting up the storyline of the real Batman sequel. This movie will be co-directed bij Chris Nolan and Bryan Singer. Apparently Bryan Singer will direct the Batman parts and Chris Nolan the Superman parts.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Here's What I Heard......NO MORE BATMAN MOVIES

    by thelordofhell

    Warner Brothers has decided to quit the Batman reboot since they know that any other movie will clearly underperform TDK at the box-office and they don't want to ruin the franchise.........BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA. My God, I just can't keep a straight face on this, OF COURSE the WB will run this fucker into the ground. Get ready now fanboys, the next Batfilm will be the worst piece of Batshit ever put on celluloid.....count on it.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:22 a.m. CST

    Gary Coleman as The Penguin

    by Violator90

    After 30 years on the run a very rotunda Batman(Jack Black) buries his anger and anguish in tons of pizzas and boxes of Twinkies. All the meanwhile training a young ward by the name of Dick Grayson(Jonah Hill). A mysterious figure comes to Gotham, buying restate like Pizza Hut, Domino’s, Hostess, Little Debbie’s and Burger King and turning them into schools, parks and other menacing places where lives can get better. The Dark Knight returns for one last fight before his arteries clog up and he dies of a massive heart attack.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:22 a.m. CST

    ROURKE IN THE COWL???

    by krisl

    ha ha ha, thats almost as fucking hilarious as murphy as the riddler. ha ha ha ha.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:41 a.m. CST

    I heard Denzel Washington will replace Heath Ledger.

    by DerLanghaarige

    But that's an in-joke. OFFENSIVE!!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:10 a.m. CST

    Rumors...

    by RobinP

    ...bullshit or not, are what this site was built on. Get over yourself and stop biting the hand that feeds you. That high & mighty approach elitist might cost you some good info in future.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Mickey Rourke...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...as Batman/Bruce Wayne is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard here and I've heard literally hundreds -- maybe thousands -- of terrible ideas in talkback and AICN over the years. <p> In fact, the only idea worse than that is Clint Eastwood as Batman. Seriously, who the fuck would, in their own minds, actually allow the icon Eastwood to "become" Batman/Wayne while watching the movie? You wouldn't for an instant stop believing that Clint was anyone else but Clint. Clint in a tux. Clint in a funny mask-helmet with pointy ears. Clint punching an old man in clown make-up. <p> Geek, please.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Mickey Rourke....No

    by masteryoda007

    No way big boy. Harry no wonder bullshit rumors are started in the first place with you spouting pish like that. Bale all the way you fucknut!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Heath Ledger not dead!

    by mynamesdan

    he lives with Andy Kaufman and Osama Bin Laden

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:26 a.m. CST

    On a side note:

    by DocPazuzu

    While Bale is great as Bats/Bruce, the stupid "voice" has got to go. It's a terrible and cringe-inducing affectation and the only true bum note in both films so far.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:42 a.m. CST

    The Dark Knight

    by kwisatzhaderach

    killed any interest I had in Batman.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Uk Tabloids have ran with eddie murphy story

    by sheathledger

    The Sun newspaper has ran with the Eddie/Shia/Rachel story...fucking idiots! http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article2048300.ece Check www.thesun.ie

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:46 a.m. CST

    As hot as Scarlett Johannson would be as Harley Quinn...

    by DanielKurland

    It's really hard to argue that Kristen Bell is perfect casting.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:49 a.m. CST

    UK tabloids are fuckin stupid

    by masteryoda007

    I live in the UK and I must say that the tabloids over here are moronic

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Frosty at Collider's got da hookup with da Horn yo

    by Rommel Catuncan

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:54 a.m. CST

    Harry, your Mickey Rourke idea is awesome

    by HarryBlackPotter

    Doing the Dark Knight Returns with Rourke as the aged, grizzled warrior of Frank Millers story would be sweet - almost worth not seeing Bale as Bat's again. Really, really good idea.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:56 a.m. CST

    DKR would be nice coda

    by TakeItEasyMon

    would be a great way to finish Nolan's run on the material.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:59 a.m. CST

    LOL and "Early Today" ran with UK tab rumors

    by Epsilon

    At 4:50 a.m. I just heard the show "Early Today" report what the UK had reported. My first thought was, "Oh please no." So I had to come check AICN just to be sure.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 4:05 a.m. CST

    Rip Taylor as Batman!

    by RobertBaron

    No wait... Rip Taylor as the Riddler or Penguin! Bruce Valanch as Batman!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 4:06 a.m. CST

    They're really running away with this one

    by Craptin Pants

    Now that NBC's Early Today ran this bullshit rumor, everyone's gonna believe it

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Batman Returns

    by I AM ROCKO

    Bruce finds out part of the original Wayne Manor may exist in Outer Mongolia so builds a ship that takes him there and back so is away from Gotham for 5 years. He comes back and Alfred tells him Rachel Dawes did not die, but has since become engaged and had a kid with some chap who was under used in the X men films. Brue then mopes about to meloncholic music, pouting but then occasionaly lifts something big around an explosion to say ACTION SCENE. All the actors are recast so they look ten years younger even though the film is set when time has passed, the film costs around $200 million but grosses around $400 mill so then KILLS THE FRANCHAISE.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Kick Bale to the Curb!!!!!1

    by redfist

    What a waste this guy is, with his crappy voice, and his perfectly thoughtful acting. Lets get rid of him and that pompus ass Nolan and bring in a shit load of b-listers and has-beens, never weres, and greedy fucks to run this monster into the ground. Oh and lets scrap the last 2 movies efforts to build a mythos and retell "The Dark Knight Returns" the story that everyone and their mother knows. Lets dream of Clint Eastwood or Mickey Rourke (since when did this guy become everyone's favorite) cause we all know in our little undwashed fanboy hearts that will happen if we wish hard enough.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 4:09 a.m. CST

    P.S.

    by redfist

    SHIA FOR THE JOKER...MAKE IT SO.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Miley Cyrus as Robin

    by Internet Thug

    with David Beckham as the dark knight returns Batman its time to get some accents in this mofo

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Nick Nolte as Face on Batsuit's Nipple

    by onezeroone

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 4:27 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by MattmanReturns

    But Batman and Robin didn't?

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 4:34 a.m. CST

    Harry... the go to guy for eyeball updates.

    by Droid

    Harry... You are the first person anyone in Hollywood turns to when they want to inform the fans of the latest news. You've got the ears of the influential in the corridors of power. Your word thunders down from on high and all the studios snap to attention.<p>SEE WHAT I DID THERE? I MADE SHIT UP!<p>Harry, you're a cock. All you do on this fucking site is post complete bullshit and rumour. I'll give you this, you do get the occasional AICN EXCLUSIVE about your impending stomach-stapling or your choice to go contacts over glasses. Fascinating stuff.<p>Jettison Bale. Yes, jettison the star of the critical darling and the second highest grossing film of all time. Jettison him in favor of leaving the current story incomplete. Jettison him in favor of telling the story of a decrepit old man in a rubber suit. Next you'll be telling everyone they should jettison Downey Jr from Iron Man 2 in favor of telling the story of a broken down, rusted, dented junkheap. And have him played by Warren Beatty.<P>Practice what you preach, Harry. If you want to complain about other websites, you need to stop posting bullshit rumours yourself.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 5:10 a.m. CST

    BRUCE CAMPBELL AS THE CHIN

    by sherlock_junior

    He could Bullshit Batman to death

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 5:13 a.m. CST

    Sally Field as the Riddler!

    by zapano

    just a suggestion

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 5:25 a.m. CST

    JDanielP??

    by gotilk

    lol... uh no. But he's my uncle and he works at WB. And he told me that you're all wrong.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 5:40 a.m. CST

    My Uncle, who works at the WB, is... a drinker. And a fiend.

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    And one night he goes off crazier than usual, ranting about how Nolan won't do Batman III for a while and how they need the film released. Auntie tells him he's wrong, that they should wait, using her words to defend Nolan. Well he doesn't like that. Not. One. BIt. So, me watching, he turns on her and calls her a fool, laughing while he does it. When she's gone insane from his non-logic, he turns to me and says 'Why so serious?' I'm confused because he's just talked his wife into a comatose state, but he comes at me with his rant. 'Why so serious?' He yells at me continually, crazy as a pug. 'Let's put a smile on that face', and... why so serious

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 5:51 a.m. CST

    thinking about a bat film

    by Tons of Fun

    personally i would love to see TDKR done in the style nolan has created for these films, but i don't think it will happen. as for villain, most of bat's rogues are too far fetched to fit into these realistic films. penguin, croc, freeze, clayface, ivy...all have some far fetched ability or appearance that just wouldn't work. this leaves Riddler, Mad Hatter, selena kyle/Catwoman, Talia Head, and my favorite for this film, HUSH. the mad hatter is eliminated because while not as far fetched as the others, he's just silly. catwoman has already been used, and unlike the joker i do not see much variation in a performance. but if the WB bosses and nolan decide to use her, i choose rachel mcadams. she has an old fashioned quality that i think selena kyle needs and a sexiness catwoman deserves. NO ANGELINA JOLIE! the riddler can be updated easily. he could be a cyber terrorist holding gotham hostage. he would leave riddles as clues. but he should be the pawn in someone else's bigger game. that person should be either talia or hush. talia (i picture someone tall, exotic and statuesque, but cannot think of an actress that fits that description) can be brought in as a rival for both bruce's company and his affections, only to be revealed as the daughter of ra's al ghul and she is exacting her revenge for the death of her father. hush (should be someone you would never expect, someone meek and nebbish) was a childhood friend of bruce who secretly hates him and discovers he is batman. he could be using the riddler as a distraction while plotting the down fall of wayne enterprises, the wayne family and batman in one genius stroke.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 5:58 a.m. CST

    HEATH LEDGER AS HUSH

    by chetedawg

    JUST DUB OVER DIALOGUE

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 6:11 a.m. CST

    The Dark Knight XXX

    by cifra

    Dick Grayson's parents are killed by Two Face who also rapes him. Bruce Wayne swears to protect Dick, who seduces Bruce on the first night at the mansion. They're both discovered by Alfred, who joins. Bruce trains Dick in body-to-body for the next weeks - in all ways possible. In the meanwhile Two-Face joins forces with newcumer Riddler and Catwoman who hides a well hung twist in her tight costume. They celebrate their union with a huge orgy in a sauna. Dick and Bruce show up, join, then move away to get dressed in their Batman and Robin costumes to give a good punishment in the ass to the villains. Alfred monitors everything from the batcave as he hacked the bathhouse security cams. With Christian Bale, Sir Michael Caine and Aaron Eckhart reprising their roles, and Brad Pitt as the Riddler and Marilyn Manson as Catwoman.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 6:15 a.m. CST

    Hahahahaha

    by Wants Vaders Executor

    Harry you genius, as if AICN hasn't had it's share of bullshit just to generate traffic. <br> <br> Plus, "talent" is a dumb word methinks. "No talent has been contacted". It sounds very straight from a PR department. Oh, and bullshitty.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 6:33 a.m. CST

    The Dark Knight should return... after a present day part 3

    by T$$$$$

    Give me a regular, present day trilogy that really establishes Batman as the hero of Gotham that the people can rally around with a Batcave and everything and then, as a bonus, bring everyone back for a fourth movie that is based on The Dark Knight Returns. While I do think DKR would be a great natural progression to Nolan's series, I want one more present day story.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 6:44 a.m. CST

    JETTISON BALE'S VOICE!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Leave Bale! Mickey Rourke or Bruce Willis as old Bruce Wayne who travels back in time via Replign to help Batman save the planet!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Miley Ray Cyrus is the Joker!

    by Lashlarue

    Search your feelings....

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 6:54 a.m. CST

    "Talent"

    by DocPazuzu

    Isn't that what they say when they refer to porn stars? <p> Kurt Lockwood, where are you, man? Confirm this!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Depp as Bruce Wayne, Nolan as Riddler, Bale as Mr. Freeze

    by Se7en

    Filmaking at its best...

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Estelle Getty's zombified corpse as Nightwing!

    by most excellent ninja

    AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 6:58 a.m. CST

    TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION as TOAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION

    by most excellent ninja

    Casting TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION as TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION would be TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 6:58 a.m. CST

    FUCK!!!!! SPELLING!!! JOKE RUINED!!!!

    by most excellent ninja

    FUCK!!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Ray Winstone as Clayface, or...

    by Brendon

    John Malkovich as the Riddler. Sean Young as Catwoman. Ron Perlman as Bane. Scott Capuro as the Penguin. Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Harley Quinn. Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter. A bag of colourblind hedgehogs as Christopher Nolan.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 6:59 a.m. CST

    TOAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION is this year's MICHAEL BAY DENIS

    by most excellent ninja

    hahahah Joke reformed.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Rourke?

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    He's riding a critical high, why would he decide to star in a film about a man in a Bat costume? <p> And before someone says it... he turned down Sin City II. He finds these films beneath him, and wants to get back to the acclaimed acting he had before.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST

    hang on a sec...

    by shoveller

    maybe all these protestations of falseness and invitations to cast are really a smoke screen. I call it, the riddler IS Axle Foley and catwoman IS Evelyn O'Connell. The only thing wrong is that I am robin. Mr Nolan appeared to me in a dream and asked me. Fact.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Aw, Harry, you're just pissed...

    by Rickey Henderson

    You're pissed that when the legitimate rumors actually DO start coming out, that no one at AICN will get off their asses to report on em.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Zedd

    by Droid

    He said he's claustrophobic and doesn't want to go through 3 hours of make up every day.<p>Rourke as Batman is ridiculous.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Sorry...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...The guy may work out and box every now and then but he's a milquetoast at heart. The man collects chihuahas, for fuck's sake.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Did you just use the word "milquetoast"?

    by Rickey Henderson

    Hot damn, that's terrific. Hey, are you busy next year? Want to play Bat-Mite in the new movie?

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 7:31 a.m. CST

    HahaHAHAHAhAH!

    by ScottinDC

    Mickey Rourke? No...no no no no. Awful notion. It would be a laughing stock. While Bale isn't perfect, he is the BEST person to don the bat suit on the big screen. Period. Sure, none of us like the voice...but his acting and feigned aloofness work perfectly for the Bruce Wayne role. But Mickey Rourke? That's a hell no. Funny notion, though. Now - to those that are saying it's "absolutely Catwoman because of Morgan Freeman's line", well you missed two other 'easter eggs. Nolan put THREE easter eggs' in TDK - if you look at the door of the burning firetruck as the cops come around the corner during the chase scene, there's a Penguin painted on it. If you look at one of the newspapers plastered along the wall by the theater, there's a big question mark on it. AND, yes, Morgan Freeman does respond that the suit would protect Batman just fine 'from cats'. Nolan was having fun showing that a third movie COULD feature any of the venerable and well known comic villains. BUT he has NOT written a single word of another screenplay and NO ONE has been cast. These are the facts and they are not in dispute.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 7:38 a.m. CST

    RE: Melvin Pelvis broke the joke

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    Liam would have been better used as Mr Freeze.<br> But then Nolan has said (I think) no mutants or something to that effect.<br> No actual super powers.<br> Just crazy people in costumes, i guess

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 7:55 a.m. CST

    ui would love to see nolans take on a sci-fi villian

    by IndyAbbey Jones

    all joking aside, i would love to see nolan include mr, freeze or even clayface in the next film..i mean when you think about it nolan is brilliant enough to do a real world take on one of those villain, plus his batman series has already proven it can bend the rules when it comes to technology or events (1.e, his memeory fabric cape, or two faces burns)<P> riddler and catowman and even the penguin have been done to death, give us a villan thats a little more deep with a twist of the sci fi element, i'd kill to see man-bat in there as well<P>those characters are as much a part of batman as the caped crusader himself, its ignorant to ignore them in this franchise

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Robert Downey Jr. and Christian Bale trade up...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...in a mega blockbuster deal between Warner and Marvel. RDJ will be the new Caped Crusader.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:10 a.m. CST

    KRISTEN BELL FOR HARLEY QUINN!

    by Pennsy

    That would rock, but chalk that up to 'probably won't happen'...

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:14 a.m. CST

    New Secret Villain: The Sith Witch!

    by chrth

    So is it irony that Harry has posted this since this site basically built its fanbase posting Phantom Menace rumors that proved to be false?

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Vern Troyer as Bat Mite

    by mrfan

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Pennsy: Hmmm ... I don't know

    by chrth

    Harley Quinn has to be sarcasm/sneer-free imo, and I don't know if Bell could pull that off. We need a blonde female Keanu for Harley.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:17 a.m. CST

    WORLD'S FINEST MOVIE

    by mrfan

    please.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Nothing, and I mean NOTHING...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...will ever be as funny as that fake episode 3 script and the ensuing talkback. I think I may have broken something while laughing when I read that.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Next movie (said it before, say it again)

    by chrth

    Screw Dark Knight Returns, I think it's overrated too.<p> Here's how it works: Bats on the run from the cops. Riddler shows up, but we play him dour and serious (i.e. anti-Joker) ... he's just compelled to send clues to the police. Bats is in full-bore detective mode. Riddler is doing three things, though: besides his own clues, he's trying to get the police to Batman, and he's also setting up a second villain who we won't even see in this film ('You didn't solve all the clues' 'What do you mean?' 'When you figure it out, it'll send a chill up your spine'). So we have a dance of Bats vs Cops vs Riddler. I think it can work, but obviously it needs to be written very well.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:20 a.m. CST

    chrth, check out these pics of KB as HQ...

    by Pennsy

    Some Aussie guy did a pretty good job; I don't have any doubt Kristen could pull it off. None. http://tinyurl.com/3jfd2b

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Pennsy: Too dark and creepy

    by chrth

    I like the way they did Harley in TAS (Harley's Holiday is in my top 5 episodes). I don't know if it'll work in the Nolanverse to play her that way, though.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:24 a.m. CST

    In 10 years every movie will be Batman

    by F-18

    or Batman-related. No non-Batman movies will be allowed.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Fuck Chris Nolan for working on the Prisoner before...

    by Leafar the Lost

    ...even thinking about working on Batman Begins III. I will not waste a penny on any movie you make, Nolan, until you make a deal with WB for the next Batman movie. Do you understand, Chris? I promise you that if you back out of another Batman movie, and WB is forced to hire Brett Ratner to direct it, then your career in Hollywood will be OVER! You'll be lucky if you can find work directing movies for the Lifetime Movie Network. Hell, you'll be lucky if you can find work directing PORN! Get your head out of your ass, Nolan!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Robert Downey Jr. or Ed Norton as Riddler

    by Reckoner

    Mickey Rourke has stated he has no interest in being in a Batman movie.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:39 a.m. CST

    batman 3 idea

    by BendersShinyAss

    I think they are wanting to pick up some good ideas cause they have none. we know they read this shit <p> ok, here's a freeby <p> The penguin - a fat grot of a man - womanizer, but rich and powerful and able to start bringing crime back to gotham. Bruce wayne/batman is torn whether he should bring down the penguin because while he's bringing crime back to gotham, he's also bringing business to wayne enterprise somehow. or he's opening up channels to crime lords batman and the police were not able to get hold of before. <p> meanwhile, the penguin employs the riddler as a decoy to trap batman so that penguin can uncover his true identity. which he does! <p> meanwhile, bruce is still pining over rachel. but as batman he's taken an interest in a mysterious cat-woman. and in this movie we see nothing of her origins or even her alternate persona. she's as mysterious as the headlines say and batman become obsessed with tracking her down. <p> The riddler, however, starts taking his job too seriously and makes batman a riddled offer against the penguin. <p> in all this, batman is tracked down by robin. a kid about 14 who wants to be batmans side kick. but batman is just not interested. THAT can be the extent of robin. crappy old costume and all <p> so thats something, no?

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:39 a.m. CST

    You do realize Bale's voice in TDK was altered, but in Begins

    by most excellent ninja

    it was not, and he sounded GODLIKE in begins, he sounded so fucking perfect, when he talks to Gordon at his house, when he talked to Rachel in the cave. Amazing. When he screamed at Ra's Al Ghul it was the superhero Batman. there was alot of it in Dark Knight but they should go back to the one in Begins. Also I noticed the majority, like 90% of people complaining about Bale's voice in Begins were Kevin Conroy fans, truth is, Bale sounded a billion times more badass than Conroy in Begins.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:47 a.m. CST

    A bald Gilbert Gottfried as Eggman, Shia as Robin

    by ricarleite

    Shot all in bluescreen. 68 minutes long, fast-paced, no soundtrack score. Batman is onscreen for only 9 minutes, most at the end. Shia will work out to get strong and will be shirtless most of the time.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Paul Giamatti as Penguin, Vince Vaughn as...

    by chaplinatemyshoe

    his brother Fred. Think of all the hilarity that could ensue in a movie about one of Batman's arch enemies having a lazy brother!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:54 a.m. CST

    the joker in batman 3

    by BendersShinyAss

    i don't think it's insensitve to re-cast the role. i think it's a cop out to write the character out because of the previous actors unfortunate accident. The joker is a bigger character than heath Ledger - rest his poor soul.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Enough of Riddler!!!

    by most excellent ninja

    he may be good in a stand alone batman movie and there is definately a good story, a good film to take from(influence), a filmmaking style but it's a singular film. It ain't the follow up to the Dark Knight. It isn't the end of a trilogy. and end of a trilogy doesn't mean making Dark Knight Returns. If Nolan makes Dark Knight returns it will be in like a decade and the only way it would work is to make a Nolanized version of the story(ie the gangs not being so 80's) but it only works if Superman is in it too.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Mickey Rourke?

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Yeah, he's so patrician ... Seriously, now who's smoking crazy drugs. Mickey Rourke, he says.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Ledger killed this franchise

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    ... when he killed himself. All the other bat-villains are too stupid to exist in this quasi-realistic Nolantastic vision.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 9:07 a.m. CST

    No More Batman

    by Sithdan

    It's best to quit while you're ahead. It's impossible to top TDK, and Nolan would be foolish to attempt it.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Thunderbolt Ross

    by most excellent ninja

    No way, Black Mask can definitely exist Nolanized.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Sithdan

    by most excellent ninja

    You can top Dark Knight and Nolan would have to be a retarded parrot to not accept the cash flowing his way and the freedom he has to make another Bat movie.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    The Rock as Bane or Depp as The Riddler

    by MELGIBSONS_DICKCHEESE

    I want to see Batman get seriously fucked up this time. Barely surviving his fight with Bane, beaten to a pulp, barely being able to stand, let alone walk. Descending even further into madness, showing us his obsessive side much more. Embracing his destiny, and the people embracing him as their only hope.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Nolan should not do The Prisoner next. Count on it.

    by Johnny Smith

    If The Prestige was his version of Coppola's The Conversation, I'd expect something more along those lines. Also? DON'T FUCKING REMAKE THE PRISONER. But no one ever listens to me...and now AMC is fucking do that, too...

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Harry, remember when you said...

    by LoneGun

    ...that SIN CITY would be the film that would haunt BATMAN BEGINS? (node/19700) I quote, "It's hard to want to see BATMAN done any other way than the Miller way." Any true comic book enthusiast understands that a character like Batman is open to a great amount of interpretation, as Frank Miller himself claimed in the 1989 documentary COMIC BOOK CONFIDENTIAL.<p>The truth is you've never shown much enthusiasm for Nolan's contribution to Batman cinema. You've been fair enough to give the films good reviews but you've always seemed generally reserved about them. Would you really jettison Christian Bale, the star who has finally brought the franchise critical credibility and secured a place for Batman in cinema history? Are you that eager to toss this Batman interpretation into the dustbin?

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST

    I don't think Harry is dissing Bale, guys

    by chrth

    I think he would rather have an older actor rather than a heavily-made up Bale in a DKR movie.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST

    My Take on Casting

    by Johnny Smith

    Simon Pegg or Leonardo DiCaprio as The Riddler. John Lithgow or Jeremy Davies (depending on what direction they take) as The Mad Hatter. Stacy Keach as Rupert Thorne. John Carroll Lynch or Michael Ironside as Black Mask. Terry O'Quinn as Hugo Strange. Robin Williams (in full-on One Hour Photo or Nolan's Insomnia mode) as The Ventriloquist. Bill Duke as Harvey Bullock. Tricia Helfer as Catwoman.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Yeah, like AICN has never posted rumour as fact

    by DannyOcean01

    Pffttttt

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    DROP CHRISTIAN BALE! MICHAEL WINCOTT FOR BATMAN!

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    WINCOTT WILL BRING SHITLOADS OF COCK....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ....TO THIS FRANCHISE!!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    Michael Keaton for The Dark Knight Returns directed by Tim Burto

    by Darth Busey

    Is Keaton now sufficiently grizzled?

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    ".....SIN CITY would be the film that would haunt BATMAN BEGINS"

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. <P> Oh fuck me that is hilarious. The fact that The Spirit drops the same year as The Dark Knight......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Johnny Smith

    by chetedawg

    god i hate people who base their views of batman off BTAS

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:07 a.m. CST

    No, no, no, no, dammit...

    by Blue_Demon

    Stephen McHattie as Batman.<p>Willem DeFoe as the Joker.<p>Some kid actress as the Girl Robin (I think her name was Carrie)<p>And because I think he's %$#@ing great, Gary Oldman in old age stipple make-up as Gordon.<p>Now, who to play the older Selina Kyle? Hmmm.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    People that believed these casting rumors...

    by Thrillho77

    Instantly entered the "ignore" section of my brain. Eddie Murphy and Shia LeBeof (which would be the most on-the-nose casting ever for Robin)??? Really people? Don't be stupid.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    SAG noms are in

    by chrth

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    RE: A Nolan-ized Mr Freeze!!!

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    you pretty much just described Dr. Phibes

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Ledger was proof that fanboys know shit about casting.

    by knowthyself

    Thats what makes these casting rumors about part 3 so funny. Now everyone thinks they can find the next "heath leadger" to cast as a batman villian. Ya know...that choice that seems like its insane but turns out to be brilliant casting that steals the show.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST

    TDK BD-LIVE event is tonight!

    by lynxpro

    Just thought I'd remind the gang of this... I hope Nolan answers some good questions and not the softball ones.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Once again, Batman Voice Haters

    by Chadley BeBay

    You fucking numbskulls. I hate people who are so closed minded that they jump on the "batmans voice is stooopid!" bandwagon, not realizing its brilliance. How does it feel to be so easily pursueded by the ridiculous notion that his voice is silly. FUCK YOU. Its purely badass. Whats funny is I only hear this from people online. Its accepted down here on the streets that its uber-cool. In the comics his voice is described as the sound of 'glass being crushed' and other very similar descriptions. Its well known in the comics that he has a VERY different batman voice and that its low, growly as hell, and tough. Fuck the haters.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    The geriatric Bat

    by thot

    I kinda like the idea of telling the story of how Bruce Wayne wraps up his career as Batman. A grizzled, scarred and battle weary 60-something Batman giving it one last go before hanging up the cowl. Very, very interesting indeed.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST

    THANK YOU HARRY!! again proving that you are my "NERDJESUS"

    by brokenheadstuff

    now instead of telling my retarded co-workers to FUCK OFF in various ways every time i hear "hey! did you hear! bla bla is going to be bla bla!!!!" i can just send them this link. I cannot fathom the amount of headaches and blind rage you have just saved me from. THANKS HARRY and hope your not so recent lifestyle change is going well, does Yoko let you on TOP yet??

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Chadley BeBay

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    The problem is Bale's Batman voice is low and growly, but not at all tough. It sounds like a little kid doing a Satan voice. Just stupid and annoying. For good Batman voice please see Michael Keaton.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    I know who the next Batman is!

    by shaft478

    Its me you fucks! Hahahahahahaha!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Rutger Hauer as the Penguin

    by Tin Snoman

    ...and he's pissed about getting kicked off the board at Wayne Industries!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST

    No fat suit? No $12 bucks assholes!!!

    by Darth Macchio

    If Eddie does the riddler NOT wearing a fat suit then fuck the next Batman movie! Eddie shines in his element: the fat suit. And a fat Riddler? Imagine the possibilities!!!! They could hire a real donkey to be his sidekick. And use CGI to make it look like he's speaking english only make it Swahili instead! And watch as hilarity ensues!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Danny Glover..

    by Chadley BeBay

    Gross name, but funny nonetheless. I disagree, I do find it tough. Its almost a street voice. He must appear greater than human. I do like Keatons voice, but with Bale its a Batman of much greater intensity. It just sucks to hear people talk so much shit, when I loved it. Huge batman fan, and when I heard him talk I was like "HOLY SHIT, THEY GOT IT RIGHT" and I hear this sentiment a lot... except online.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    The Dark Knight 2: Electric Boogaloo

    by tie3456

    Starring Larry King as an older Bruce Wayne, and the Olsen twins as Catwoman.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Chadley BeBay

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Don't be discouraged by the shit talking. If you like it-- good for you. Say FUCK THE REST OF 'EM.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Bat Voice

    by Papa Lazaru

    I can understand and accept that Wayne would need to conceal his voice lest he be discovered , but the scene when he and Morgan Fox are in the basement / batcave / control room , talking face to face , with no other interlopers in the room , yet he still insists on speaking in that BatVoice. All I could think of throughout the entire scene was . "HE KNOW WHO YOU ARE ,HE KNOWS YOU ARE BRUCE WAYNE. WHY SPEAK LIKE THAT ?" Can anybody explain that ? It just seems silly to me . If you ignore the whole Millionaire Playboy dressed as a bat , beating up criminals thing of course.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    The gruff voice?

    by Darth Macchio

    No problem for me but Bats did have the only bad lines in DK and the voice tended to exacerbate it a bit...sucks but what can you do?

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Chi McBride as Catowman and Ted Mcginley as Bat Mite

    by ChocolateJesusMan

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Papa

    by Chadley BeBay

    Good point, but also covered in the comics. When Wayne is in costume, he is immersed in the character of Batman and won't break it for anything. Thats the commitment to the persona he has. Its a discipline necessary to become more than a man.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    To weigh in on the Bat Voice...

    by Droid

    If Nolan had included something to practically explain the change in voice, there would be no issue.<p>Ok, go with me here... if the Batsuit included something along the lines of some sort of Mission Impossible style voice modifier, it would help you accept the change in voice and also the when he's alone with people who know his true identity.<p>Nolan went to pains to explain the gadgets in Begins. He could've addressed this easily.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Chadley

    by Papa Lazaru

    Fair point , but dont you think Fox would be standing there . Nodding and agreeing to what Batman is saying . All the while thinking to himself . "Douche Bag" :-)

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_REDPEE...

    by brokenheadstuff

    i agree all the way. Bale is a great Bruce Wayne. but a fucking HORRIBLE BATMAN. i loved BEGINS.. right up to the point where he pulls Falcone out of the car and does the "i'm batman" shit, I LAUGHED MY ASS OFF. couldn't help it. and the mask must be tight because it looks like his Lispy face us squeezing out. Keatons Batman looked like a scary crazy mo fo.. Bales Batman looks like me in a haloween costume.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST

    "and here is a Voice Modulator....

    by brokenheadstuff

    that makes you sound like the actor Michael Keaton from the 1989 movie "Batman". You know Bruce, to cover up that douchey LISP, so criminals dont laugh in your face" -Lucious Fox

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Owen Wilson as The Riddler

    by cinemixtape.com

    I am totally being serious right now.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST

    You guys already know...

    by Archive

    ...that Liam Neeson is coming back as Raz Al-Ghul. The Joker has always been a continuation of the themes (and perhaps even the plans?) Neeson brought to the franchise, and the plan was always to bring him back, Lazarus Pit-style, to deliver the coup-de-gras on Gotham. I'm just looking forward to seeing the character handled with the finesse and muscle of TDK, from a Jon Nolan script!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    But seriously, Richard Jenkins would be an awesome Riddler.

    by cinemixtape.com

    A little old, but he could be great.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    yeah the voice sucks

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    And you're right about the conversation with Morgan Fox-- why didn't he tell him "KNOCK THAT SHIT OFF. I'M RIGHT HERE MOTHERFUCKER. I KNOW YOU!!" <P> The whole "CHARACTER" concept of Bruce immersing himself in the Batman persona is interesting-- yet very hard to achieve on screen. It may work in print but thats just sort of assinine to expect the audience to go along with you on that unless you really wanted to push him into the INSANE territory. <p> Its not the growl or the tone. I get that-- its the drawn out words and the volume that bug the fuck out of me <P>"WHERE IS HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!!! SOMEBOOOOOOOOOOOOOODY KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWS!!"

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    if they bring back Raz Al-Ghul bullshit...I'm out.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    The villains are what made Begins blow cock. What a fucking waste it would be to go back to that bullshit. <p>

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Conan O'Brien is Robin.

    by cinemixtape.com

    Bruce Campbell is Jay Leno.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST

    I will say...

    by Archive

    ...that Catwoman could provide both a good source of romantic levity, as well as a moral hinge, for Bruce Wayne in this installment. And that Rachel Wietz would be a fantastic choice.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:18 a.m. CST

    what about the vulnerable eyes?!!

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I was thinking....Nolan is all concerned about the practical functionality of the suit and it actually being a suit of armor to protect him in every way. What about the fucking exposed eyes? This could have been a perfect opportunity to make 'em white!! It could be a protective lens built into the mask.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Kid Idioteque

    by Thrillho77

    Conan O'Brien is already... Moleculo!!!! The Molecular Man!!!!!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Who the fuck is Black Mask?

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    And why don't I care? Is this like the Venom of Batman, some lame latter-day character the geeks clamor for? Or is that Bane?

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Who the fuck is Black Mask?

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    And why don't I care? Is this like the Venom of Batman, some lame latter-day character the geeks clamor for? Or is that Bane?

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    But... no one would love Eddie Murphy as The Riddler...

    by The Chosen

    Wanna see Hugh Laurie as Mr. Freeze!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Jet Li needs to continue playing BLACK MASK!

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Bat 3 Official Plot - Batman is Gay

    by Razorback

    That is why he saved Two-Face and not Rachel.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Jeff Bridges as Batman

    by GilbertRSmith

    John Goodman as Alfred, Steve Buscemi as Robin, and Sam Elliot as Gordon. "Do you see what happens Riddler? Do you see what happens when you FUCK A STRANGER IN THE ASS!?"

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    REDPEE- WHITE EYES..

    by brokenheadstuff

    they did it at the end when he turned into Daredevil, but yea it would've made perfect sense your way to begin with

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:33 a.m. CST

    when he turned into Daredevil?! HAHAHA.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Thats true. <p>And in response to the poster about Batman being gay-- you don't have to be gay to admire Aaron's hair.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Shia LeBouf = Jar Jar Binks

    by Miss Red

    The minute he gets attached to the franchise, it's dead to me.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST

    The Ultimate Cast

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Fuck you guys, I got it: Horatio Sanz as Batman, Horatio Sanz as the Joker, Horatio Sanz as Poison Ivy, Horatio Sanz as the Penguin, Horatio Sanz as Superman. And Batman is grizzled, and the Joker is grizzled, and Poison Ivy is grizzled, and the Penguin is grizzled, and Superman is grizzled. It's fucking sick. Batman is obsessive and even MORE dark. The Joker is obsessive and even MORE dark. Poison Ivy is obsessive and even MORE dark. The Penguin is obsessive and even MORE dark. Superman is obsessive and even MORE dark.<p>Batman gets the shit beat out of him. He questions his very existence. He can't get it up. The Riddler shows up at the end. He's one serious motherfucker, played by Jim Carrey. Continuity, you scumbags.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    CATHY NAJIMY AS POISON IVY

    by ArcadianDS

    This talkback post has been added for the sole purpose of generating luls.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    I agree with thunderbolt ross

    by MJDeViant

    The rest of the villains are stupid. I'm not a comic book fan by far, I just like movies. But glanced over the list of villains and they are either too far fetched or just flat out lame. I'd hope they would just keep the joker in the asylum the entire next film until the end. Then he could escape as part of a depressing ending that leaves stuff open but also is kind of a downer after Batman dies trying to save the city.......which they probably won't do. I'm kind of lucky I guess in that I like the new movies and don't care or know if they follow the comics, so killing Batman could be sacrilege comic book-wise, but as an end to Nolan's films it would be awesome if done right.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Mr. Zsasz

    by lowman

    If Dark Knight was an ode to HEAT, then how about using Mr. Zsasz as an ode to Se7en? Cast Casey Affleck in the role and you could have something.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Cast ideas... Riddler, Catwoman, Penguin...

    by Droid

    I'm sure some/all of these have been suggested...<p>Riddler - Steve Buscemi, Crispin Glover, Norm Macdonald, or Jeff Goldblum<p>Catwoman - Carice Van Houten or Rhona Mitra (because my unmentionables would like it)<p>Penguin - Larry David (someone suggested this a while ago), Toby Jones<p>If you can get Michael Ironside or Michael Wincott in there somewere I'd also be happy.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Pennsy.. I'm with you.

    by gotilk

    She'd be perfect and that artwork is great.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Thunderbolt Ross

    by most excellent ninja

    you're a fucking idiot. just because you dont know about him doesn't make him nothing. Fuck you're an idiot. He's a character that can easily be Nolanized as a hardcore freak crime boss.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    MICHAEL WINCOTT AS BATMAN!!

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Why do people who don't read Batman comics weigh in?

    by most excellent ninja

    shut the fuck up. don't assume shit because you browsed a list on wikipedia. black mask, penguin, riddler, catwoman, talia al ghul can all be in the Nolan universe.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST

    NOLANIZED? Oh fuck....I'm gonna puke.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    most excellent ninja

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I don't give a fuck about the funny books. I watch the films. And going off what I have seen so far those goofy characters would not FUCKING FIT. And if they bring back Rhaz-Al-Qui-Gon-Cunt-Suck...I'm fucking boycotting. He was easily the worst part about Begins.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST

    by goofy characters....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I mean talia al ghul and Black Mask. Fuck them.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Papa Lazaru

    by most excellent ninja

    he probably thought "this guy has issues" but so what? it doesn't make it impossible that he would still speak in the bat voice to lucius. you think Bats gives a shit about superficial opinions? Like another poster said, he is in the batman persona, but in dark knight it can be taken further. that by that point he is becoming the iconic batman from the comics, the one that is batman nearly all throughout, just immersed in this person who he really is. That little bit of hope he had as bruce wayne is for the most part dead by that part in dark knight. In the comcis he becomes so immersed in it that he doesn't get out of costume, he's batman most of the time. etc

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Bale's Batman Voice isn't tough? what the fucking fuck?

    by most excellent ninja

    when he screams "where are they?!!!" in the interrogation scene, that's one of the most badass deliveries of a line in human history. If batman was pummeling the shit out of you and screaming that, you'd bleed to death from sheer badassness.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:56 a.m. CST

    most excellent ninja

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    If he doesn't get out of the suit in the funny books, do they address the pissing issue? Does Alfred personally install a catheter in Bruce's penis?! Now that's drama!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by most excellent ninja

    You're a fucking idiot and always have been on aintitcool. Well thankfully, your single opinion means shit. You're wrong, Ra's Al Ghul the movie version is one of the greatest villains ever, but you don't get it because you're a fucking idiot. And you have been annoying since day one with your shitty all caps name. Fuck yourself with aids you cunt.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST

    most excellent ninja

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Yeah, I admit-- the voice does work in the interrogation scene. But the problem is-- the tone doesn't change. He has the same "WHERRRRRE IS HEEEEEEEE?!" tone when he is calmly speaking to Gordon and Fox. It makes Batman look like a fucking moron.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Black Mask doesn't fit?

    by most excellent ninja

    you fucking ignorant cock. The dude is a mobster who tortures people, Nolanized, he's the most 'real' villain out of all of them. You don't read the funny books so shit the fuck up since your 'opinions' have no weight behind them.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Ra's Al Ghul = greatest villain ever

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Uhhhh okay. Sword fighting Qui-Gon on a fucking glacier is jaw dropping, and I'm an idiot. Riiiiiiiight.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, noon CST

    most excellent ninja

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Are you also looking forward to "The Watchmen" ?

  • Dec. 18, 2008, noon CST

    same tone?

    by most excellent ninja

    then you are deaf. speaking to gordon sounds different to him screaming at the joker. you need your ears checked. it's not the same tone, if you were to analyze it in it's most basic form, it wouldn't be the same. cockhead.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST

    He's ideas you cock

    by most excellent ninja

    he's a misanthropist, an extreme version of Batman, an unstoppable force, the world's most dangerous man who could only be stopped by batman, a mythic superhero. But like I said, you don't read the comics and you make opinions, so you're a fucking dumb cunt.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Had enough

    by most excellent ninja

    DICKBLOOD has been the worst poster on aintitcool since the Transformers threads of last year. Delete yourself you cock.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:02 p.m. CST

    most excellent ninja

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Even though you seem very hostile toward me, I'm willing to reach across the aisle with some Christmas spirit. <P> Print this, laminate it (so your tiny wad doesn't do any permanent damage) and have a very Merry Christmas!! <p>http://tinyurl.com/4jqeyv

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:02 p.m. CST

    THIS CITY... JUST SHOWED YOU...

    by DisneyFanatic

    Raspy segment of a sentence, breath, raspy segment of a sentence, breath.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:04 p.m. CST

    most excellent ninja -- TRANSFORMERS TBS?

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Nice try, cunt. I started this name last January. I wasn't around for the Transformers TB'S-- so open wide, gargle my semen and rightly fuck off.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    most excellent ninja

    by Droid

    Does Christopher Nolan have a big dick? Can you fit it all in your mouth without gagging? Is getting Nolanized when he pulls out at the last moment and blows all over your face? Do you get Nolanized often, or is it only when you've been a good boy?

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Bat Voice

    by Parallaxmjm

    I think it makes perfect sense that while talking to Fox alone, Batman would still use the "Bat Voice." Batman isn't just a costume, it is a whole different personality. When he's in that mode, he is Batman. He would talk to Fox, Alfred and anyone else the same way, regardless of whether they know who he is beneath the cowl.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:09 p.m. CST

    "Is Batman there?"

    by DisneyFanatic

    Remember the first Joker video where he's playing with the Batman copy cat?<p> Every time he says "LOOK AT ME!" I always say to my buddies, "hey, is Batman there?"

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST

    The day Eddie Murphy is in a Nolan film.

    by Damien Chowder

    Is the same day Will Smith is cast as the new Superman.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Always thought Batman's best villain was...

    by mrfan

    his butler. Batman should cut ties with him and just go postal on the underworld. Send his ass back to England. He is holding him back

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Chetedawg: BTAS

    by Johnny Smith

    ...because that's what I was doing, sure. Because BTAS Mad Hatter looked just like Jeremy Davies, what with being blond, seven feet tall and very stocky. I picture a Mad Hatter Jeremy Davies being like Davies' Manson, only much scarier. And Bill Duke, I thought, would be a good Harvey because as we all know, BTAS Harvey was black and bald. Robin Williams perfectly personifies the impossibly lanky Arnold Wesker of the animated series, etc., etc. I didn't cast "based" on BTAS, but on the essence of the character found in the comics and various other interpretations, BTAS among them but not the sole one. Oh, and I forgot to include Michael Emerson as Calendar Man.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST

    And if I really base my views of Batman off BTAS...

    by Johnny Smith

    ...then explain the colossal amount of long boxes in my home office filled with back issues of books like Legends of the Dark Knight, Gotham Knights, Detective, Gotham Central, etc., not to mention various JLA stories.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Thinking inside the box.

    by funwithwords

    Regardless of what Nolan says, I am skeptical of his ability to or interest in introducing characters into this world that are two cartoonish (e.g. Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Man-Bat, Clayface, even Catwoman) and/or those who would be considered too obscure to the general audience (something he could afford to do in the first but not the third film in the trilogy). I know a lot of people have their hopes up about the Nolans reaching into the deep villain stable. I see it as too much of a risk—especially considering the scale of the success of TDK. With that in mind, I feel like Nolan almost has no choice but to resurrect Harvey Dent (not too big of a stretch considering the series’ already established fake-death fetish) and maybe introduce a minor—but no less known—villain. I’m thinking a more realistic version of Penguin (Nolan’s insistence that Penguin will not be in this series notwithstanding) as a mob boss to fill the hole, now that all of the mob bosses are dead. The only other plausible introduction would, I guess be Riddler, but I don’t think it’s a good idea. One thing I would suggest is that the Nolans avoid writing any women characters into the script. They suck at writing for women. The Prestige and TDK should be proof enough of that.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST

    My dream cast?

    by MJDeViant

    No, you didn't ask, but here: The Joker - Adrian Brody (who might have been rumored in the first place I think) Catwoman - anyone but Angelina Jolie. Highly overrated and annoying to watch. Mr. Freeze - not going to happen, but I'd use the kid who played Noi. (obviously the setting and look of him in that movie made that choice) The Riddler - probably Rufus Sewell (spelling?) - (It's really funny, but I keep picturing a mean Stephen Merchant...which I've never seen) Robin - hope they never do, but if they did, I'd pick ..... nah, just don't do it

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Oh and...the title will be 'Gotham'

    by funwithwords

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Methinks....

    by Darth Macchio

    ...that the more flamboyant villains won't work in this franchise. This includes Penguin, Catwoman and more I'm sure. I'm not a cb Batman follower so I'm not up on all the DC villains he's faced but the Joker was an excellent combination of real and over the top and I love love love the "agent of chaos" theme they gave him. Joker absolutely MAKES Dark Kinhgt for me and I love every moment the character is on the screen. That giant asshole Death had to come in and take such a profound talent like Ledger away! Fuck off, Death!!! Wanker!<p>But we need this type of villain..based in reality with any eccentricity justified by actual lunacy but not over the top flamboyant or, for lack of better words, too "comic book villain"-y. Pfiefer Catwoman was certainly pleasant to look at but would be an exceedingly distracting character in Nolan's Batman. Overall, to me a Catwoman character is sort of like the Robin character, more tongue and cheek and more levity in an otherwise very dark universe (Batman, Dark Knight, etc); you DC purist would know better than me on this but wasn't Robin added later on when there was "complaints" about Batman being to dark and brutal? So they brought in some doofy boy scout live in boyservant nonsense that couldn't EVER fly in our modern culture?)<p>The Joker fits perfectly in that Nolan Batman world but these others are far too day-glo or far too distracting in and of themselves.<p>Catwoman or Robin added to Nolan's franchise would deflate the entire thing within 10 seconds of screen time. Only a singular work of brillinace could get these characters on the screen in any way not even a little laughable. And I just hate the idea of the Robin character almost completely. Just dumb and far too ambiguously gay in the 21st century.<p>However....Phillip Seymour Hoffman is the perfect Penguin and I've always thought Brad Douriff would have made an excellent Riddler and still could even if he's a bit older(better than Carey, for sure) and he's a brilliant actor too...he's gotta be younger than Nicholson when he did his Joker version...<p>But I stick by my theory that any of the more "cartoony" Batman/DC villains in Nolan's Batman would be a terrible distraction. Fortunately, my guess is Nolan et al, are fully aware of this and won't gutterball it. Rachel Weiz is very beautiful and very talented and who wouldn't want to watch her slink around in skin tight leather...but the character of Catwoman has no place in Nolan's Batman. Penguin might work but not Meredith nor Devito's penguin...Hoffman is perfect casting but how to actually portray the character...that's the tricky part. This isn't Spiderman where a cartoonish villain can work...these are crime dramas that happen to have costumed heroes and villains...I have trust in Nolan...he's obviously earned it...but my guess is Nolan probably will pull out of doing a 3rd film due to all of the problems with coming up with a good progressive story character-wise and not just another notch in the belt with some big named actor showing up as the draw instead of a great story and the desire to find out what is happeneing with these characters, etc...

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Darth Macchio

    by MJDeViant

    If Nolan didn't do a new one I'd be okay with it, too. Better to leave it then ruin it.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Agreed 100%

    by Darth Macchio

    too bad the studio won't think so and we'll get fucking Ratner's "Dark Knight Returns" or some semantical variation on the word "three" with the words "Batman", "Dark", "Knight" or "Death". Be careful folks....Eddie Murphy might actually BE the next Riddler if Ratner gets it...Jackie Chan as Bane, etc....shit, at least McG would bring in the Crispin and that guy is mad for real.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST

    I honestly hope they don't make another one

    by skoolbus

    For real. That movie was amazing and they should leave it at that. I know they won't, though. So: Joseph Gordon-Levitt as The Joker (in brief scenes), Terrence Howard as The Riddler, and/or Scarlett as Catwoman.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Adam West for The Dark Knight Returns

    by Smashing

    Come on fanboys lets make it so.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Ralph, I agree.....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ....but I don't really find Penguin flamboyant. He can just be a short fat, ruthless mob boss with that nickname.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:50 p.m. CST

    why do Catwoman and Penguin have to be 'cartoony'?

    by oisin5199

    though it was just a rumor, the idea of Philip Seymour Hoffman as a British arms dealer, nicknamed the Penguin could work - it would just be a different interpretation. And 'Catwoman' doesn't have to have magical cat-healing powers. She can just be a really, really good thief with a cat fetish. Just because Burton made them over the top doesn't mean they have to be. Hell, I'm even of the opinion that there's nothing wrong with Robin as a concept, even in the Nolanverse. It's the execution that makes a difference. Robin works when it's about Bruce taking responsibility for another human being, training a protoge, feeling guilt and identification over the death of the boys' parents, longing for the family he'll never have. And the issues of child endangerment would be an interesting challenge. But it has to be played in the exact opposite of the Schumacher sense - nothing creepy or NAMBLAish, no flourescent costumes. It doesn't even have to be Dick Grayson - in fact, Tim Drake would be better (no acrobats). Maybe even Jason Todd and kill him off! Anyway, these characters are archetypes. They're not set in stone. Nolan can do what he wants.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    oops, meant protege

    by oisin5199

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Scarecrow was "too cartoony"

    by knowthyself

    Until Nolan fucking hit it out of the park in Batman Begins. No character is too cartoony if done the right way on film.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Scarecrow fucking sucked balls.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Seriously-- the biggest problem with Begins was the villains. TDK hit it out of the park. Begins barely crawled along.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Next villain will be....

    by RobRed1

    Jeff Dunham as Scarface/Ventriloquist. WB wants to capitalize on the success of his Christmas special. Peanut will guest star as Robin.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Lance Bass As Robin!!!

    by jeah

    Because a gay Robin would get the Oscar nod for shizzle!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:12 p.m. CST

    catwoman?

    by readyoufool

    Really? Can we stop with the catwoman shit? I can't think of a more boring pile of shit than catwoman or any of the half-bad/half-good idiots that populated some of the later batman movies. Stop it. 1 villain, 1 hero, maybe a good guy who gets fucked over like Harvey Dent's character or a slightly less evil henchman of the villain. No more fucking catwoman. Shut up with catwoman. Shut up with Robin. Fuck! Although I'm definitely in favor of Keira Knightley as the bat pole as a previous Tber recommended.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Bane could be done in Nolan's films.

    by TheLastCleric

    He's an interesting character in the comics and one of the few villians who can actually match Batman physically. I wouldn't do the whole back breaking thing but he could wear Batman out by letting the criminals out of the asylum and then throw him a serious beating like he did in Knightfall.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Cartoony

    by funwithwords

    For the purposes of this, I will define cartoony as any character whose signature trait will require too much of an origin story. One of the reasons Scarecrow, and even Joker, worked in the context of this universe is that A: there was a clear element of the real to them, and B: No backstory. Both characters were fully matured as themselves when the movie began. There was no need for a character arc with either of them. They just were, and it was up to Batman to defeat them. Same goes for all villains except Dent, which is another reason the Dent thing was wasted in my mind. Why bother doing an origin for a character that you’re not even going to allow to mature? Nobody is going to buy Catwoman in this universe. They just won’t. If Catwoman were to show up, the only way for it to work would be for her to be an incredibly minor character, on par with the copy cat Batmen in TDK. I do think Penguin could work. He’s really the only character I think could work. I still think you need Dent to come back and really be Two-Face. Maybe he was in a coma, and they gave him skin grafts, so he wouldn’t have to be all flayed Dent.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    No one can top Pfeiffer as catwoman.

    by knowthyself

    Burtons film did Penguin and Catwoman well enough. Theirs no need to return to them. Its time to fix Riddler and Mr. Freeze because just like Two-Face they were done an incredible disservice in their respective films.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Patrick Stewart as Victor Freeze!

    by PakoDoom

    please dear god that would be sweet. if they have to make another movie with the joker in it (CAN they, WILL they?) i pray they include Harley Quinn. JACK BLACK IS SIGNED TO PLAY THE PENGUIN!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    They're all true!

    by thebearovingian

    It really is the Apocalypse! Embrace it! Accept your fate!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    BATMAN 3: A MICHAEL BAY FILM (directed by Michael Bay)

    by turketron

    NO ONE does movies like Michael Bay!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Batmobile played by Kitt from the New Knight Rider!

    by turketron

    It transforms!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:21 p.m. CST

    All of you are MORONS!

    by Daniel Caputi

    These casting choices, real or imagined, would breathe life into a franchise that, after only TWO films, has been run into the ground!! Batman Begins, tired, pedestrian origin story with a hackneyed villain straight out of dinner theater!! And The Dark Knight? PLEASE! Never before have I seen a darker, more depressing pile of monosyllabic GARBAGE! First off, the movie was like 20 hours long with no plot! Don't kid yourself, people. I defy any of you to explain what that movie was about! And Heath Ledger? I wish everyone would stop fudging up their breeches for this guy's horrible ONE NOTE performance. He sounded like every jackoff in high school doing their piss-poor impression of Nicholson. Simply dreadful! So, to me, every one of these casting choices is nothing less than inspired. Shia as Robin would ROCK! He'd definitely bring some badass youthful energy to the series. The dull, monotone Bale needs some spark to play off of, and Shia would definitely deliver. And Eddie Murphy as the Riddler would mean one thing: this series would finally have a villain worthy of the ticket price!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Pickup Artist Mystery cast as The Riddler!!!

    by turketron

    His riddles are routines that he uses to steal your girlfriend. Bruce Wayne is powerless (and pussyless!).

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:22 p.m. CST

    dark knight returns?

    by teddanson37

    no. that would suck. i love TDKR as much as the next guy, but that final monologue on Dark Knight just has to be followed up on. The audience needs to know how Batman came to be respected instead of feared. How he got back on good terms with Gordon. How the multitude of other theatrical villains came to gotham. if begins and dark knight are all we get, it will be a major disappointment to me. Like FOTR and two towers minus ROTK, or Matrix and Reloaded without Revolutions, or Star Wars and TESB without ROTJ... oh, wait, those last two would have been better left alone (yes i just said ROTJ sucks). And TDKR wouldn't translate to film well. Especially through a Chris Nolan lens. If watchmen is as awesome as it looks to be, maybe they should let Zach Snyder do TDKR in a couple of years with a 60 year old Michael Keaton. That would be sick and you know it. Also the DTV cartoon dvd's they've been shelling out have been pretty good. DC and Marvel alike should start making animated versions of great stories like TDKR. Because an animated battle between old Bruce and the gang leader or Supes would own.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Mr. Zsasz was in Batman Begins

    by lowman

    Just doing some poking around and found out Nolan has already gave Mr. Zsasz a cameo in the first movie.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST

    The Dark, the Fast, and the Furious

    by turketron

    THE FLASH is the main villain for third batman movie

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Dakota Fanning!

    by Doggus47

    Dakota Fanning will be Carrie Kelly, the thirteen year old female Robin!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    The only way to TOP Joker..is to refocus on Batman.

    by knowthyself

    Remember how Batman was finally the star of the show in Begins? And than in TDK the villians once again stole the show out from under him?The only way to top Joker is to refocus the series on batman and have the villians be low key just like Scarecrow, Valconi, and Raz.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Gary Busey reprises his role from THE GINGERDEAD MAN

    by turketron

    Minor villain that dies half way through the movie.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    most excellent ninja

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Your name is a lie. Unless you are a ninja.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:31 p.m. CST

    YEAHHHAHWHAHAHSFDHNA

    by name818

    JOHHNY DEPP FOR EVERY FUCKIGN ROLE IN THE UNIVERSE YEHAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!! stfu with this Johnny Depp bullshit. People with no imagination pick Depp for roles that need to be filled by someone who can play a dark hair having strange white dude. NO IMAGINATION!!! JOHNNYNY DEPP FOR THIS JHOIJDEPEP FOR THAT!!?!NWERKLJN MOM! MEATLOAF!!! FUCK!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    "I defy any of you to explain what that movie was about!"

    by chrth

    Mob, on the run from a superhero, enlist the help of a demented villain. Villain provides suitable distractions, but the mob gets a lot more than it bargained for.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    JOHNNY DEPP FOR MISTER MYXYLPLX!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    He's deadly and frustrating!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:38 p.m. CST

    robin

    by readyoufool

    Robin's a gigantic ass hat too. fuck robin. the only way he should be in a movie is if the movie opens with he and batman on a mission and suddenly robin gets killed. which then launches the rest of the movie as batman tries to get revenge for robin. That wouldn't work either, though, because nobody gives a shit about stupid ass hat fuck twat robin. he's a piece of shit and i hope whatever actor they cast for that role dies before they can film any footage. Fuck robin, Fuck catwoman, Fuck batgirl, Fuck! also, fuck.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:39 p.m. CST

    HITLER'S BRAIN IN A ROBOT AS THE VILLAIN

    by BringingSexyBack

    "I shall rule zee Gotham!" <P> "Not on my watch, you Nazi robot!"

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Robin won't be in the film

    by chrth

    Look, the purpose of Robin (and Speedy, and Cub et al) is specific and comic-oriented: young boys reading the comic put themselves in the place of the child sidekick. A movie doesn't require a proxy like that; tptb didn't realize that when they gave the keys to Antichrist Goldsman and Schumacher. Robin is pointless to the movies, and Nolan knows that.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Wassup BSB?

    by chrth

    And home come it's always Hitler's brain? Let's put Stalin's brain in a robot for once.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:42 p.m. CST

    No love for Sam Bottoms!!!????

    by Six Demon Bag

    He surfs with Charlie now..

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    tip has the right idea

    by chrth

    The villain should be ... DR HORRIBLE! Batman rages war against Bad Horse!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    when are they going to make "ASS"?

    by readyoufool

    I hear it's got oscar potential.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    'how come', not 'home come'

    by chrth

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    OR BUSH'S BRAIN IN A ROBOT

    by BringingSexyBack

    That would be Karl Rove inside the robot.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST

    TOM ROTHMAN AS THE VILLAIN

    by BringingSexyBack

    "Kill him Batman! Look what he's done!!!" <P> "You're right."

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST

    CHRIS ROCK as BATMAN's VOICE!

    by Darth Bauer

    Dat nigga mus have friends!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST

    STUPID!!!!

    by Daniel Caputi

    I can't believe there's even a talkback about this tired, overblown, overhyped shit machine!!! If they do make a sequel, how about handing it to a director NOT famous for making boring arthouse thrillers? Maybe then we'll get something that would keep me awake!!! And, as I said, Shia is what the series needs! A young dynamo who'll take this bloated series off of life support!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST

    HEATH LEDGER'S BRAIN IN A ROBOT AS THE VILLAIN

    by BringingSexyBack

    "I can't quit you Batman!" <P> "I can see that!!"

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:48 p.m. CST

    FREDDY vs JASON vs ASH vs ALIENS vs PREDATOR vsROBOCOP vs TERMIN

    by brokenheadstuff

    vs BATMAN

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    WASSAH CHRTH

    by BringingSexyBack

    Jes chillin

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Serious Question: Penthouse or Manor?

    by chrth

    I really liked Bruce staying in the Penthouse in TDK. The Manor was always so remote, and with the city of Gotham being such an important 'character' in the movie, placing Wayne in the middle of it was a great idea. For the next film, do you think they should stay in the penthouse (would have appeal since Batman would be hiding in the city) or move back into the Manor?

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Shia Ledouche as Robin

    by readyoufool

    and then he's killed in the first 15 min. i like it.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:55 p.m. CST

    and then...

    by readyoufool

    ...for no reason at all, we zoom in on catwoman in some other part of the city and then she's killed. then we pull back out. no mention of catwoman for the rest of the movie. brilliant.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:56 p.m. CST

    readyoufool: actually, that has potential

    by chrth

    'Someone is killing the villains of Gotham ... and it'll take a hero to save everyone'

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Note: above post of my mine is *not* an endorsement

    by chrth

    of The Long Halloween for the next movie

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST

    NPH for The Riddler.

    by Smashing

    He would rock.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:08 p.m. CST

    ian mckellan as the riddler

    by readyoufool

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST

    wait wait!

    by readyoufool

    Gollum as the riddler!!!! best. ever.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    I JUST TOOK A BATMAN SHAPED SHIT...

    by cocolopez

    Ain't it cool?

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:21 p.m. CST

    chrth

    by cocolopez

    You're kidding right? The penthouse had zero character- whereas Wayne Manor was always a character unto its own. I thouight this was just one of TDK's many failing points. He could get the city's cellphones hotwired for a 360 degree visual reading to find the Joker in the snap of a finger but he can't get Wayne Manor rebuilt in between movies? Whatever. Piss poor script.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    cocolopez: nope, not kidding

    by chrth

    I don't know, I've never been a big fan of the manor. In Batman Year One, at the very beginning, Wayne thinks that he shouldn't have taken the plane back to Gotham, he should've taken the train. He should've been among the people. It's the same thing with the manor: you're isolated from the city you're protecting. It's a fortress of solitude, which isn't really in keeping with Batman's character.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    BERNARD MADOFF AS THE VILLAIN

    by BringingSexyBack

    "Master Wayne, your investments with Madoff have been completely wiped out!" <P> "I'll kill him!!!!"

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    I agree with someone here....FUCK PENTHOUSE!!

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Too fucking modern. Too fucking cosmopolitan. PUT SOME FUCKING GOTHIC BACK IN THESE MOVIES FOR FUCK'S SAKE!!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Nolan will never base a film on one of the comics...

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ...does anyone understand that? He has far too much confidence in his own writing.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Bat Mite is the villain

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    that harry potter kid is playing him

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Wow what a lame idea.

    by Angelus_420

    The Dark Knight Returns following the Dark Knight is a stupid idea. What needs to be done is an adaption of Dark Victory to finish this series out. DK was adapted from The Long Halloween and so to end the trilogy it should be Dark Victory cause it can tie things up from the previous films. After the end of DK jumping 30 years would make no sense.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:46 p.m. CST

    OT: Majel Barrett-Roddenberry

    by Mifune73

    Majel Barrett-Roddenberry died this morning. Leukemia. RIP, Majel.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    gilbert gottfried

    by noiretblanc

    as gilbert gottfried

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    great Gilbert Gottfried joke:

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Q: How do you get a gay guy to have sex with a woman? <p>A: Fill her cunt with shit.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST

    What do you get when you genius and a whore have a kid?

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    A FUCKING KNOW IT ALL.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by DisneyFanatic

    I'd actually prefer a villain for Wayne moreso than Batman. Whether that be a corporate greed guy or a dude that wants to put Wayne Enterprises out of business, I don't care.<p> And I'm sure that there is plenty of real-life inspiration out there that is just RIPE for the taking.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Danny, on at least one point, we agree:

    by funwithwords

    Christopher Nolan has FAR TOO MUCH confidence in his own writing.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Batman...

    by Embeedeuce

    survives a nuclear blast by hiding in the BatFridge.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Damn, Majel did die

    by chrth

    I was hoping that was just a rumor. RIP

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:21 p.m. CST

    in support of mr. Dickblood sir

    by BilboFett

    I get what you are doing. It is subversive mocking humor and those who don't get the joke become part of it. Keep it up man. These nervous high-strung losers who are demanding you get lost are pathetic. Your last few posts have made me laugh harder than I have in a long time. Cheers mate.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Harry as the Penguin, Ralph Fiennes as the Mad Hatter.

    by phool2056

    I can see it. Can't you see it? I can see it.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    batty batty batty

    by Raretown

    wings don't fail me now!!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:49 p.m. CST

    TDKR should be made, but not by Nolan and not as a movie....

    by amrisharmpit

    HBO mini-series with Keaton as the Bat. Robert Rodriguez and Frank Miller co-directing. That'd be off the chains.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:50 p.m. CST

    knowthyself, Burton's Penguin was pretty far off the mark.

    by TheLastCleric

    The Penguin is an aristocratic-type who, despite his odd appearance, prides himself on his intelligence and his breeding. Making him some sewer-dwelling freak who eats raw fish and was raised by actual Penguins was ten shades of retarded, however amusing I found the movie as a kid. It made about as much sense as having a brooding, muscular vigilante played Michael Keaton and having a lanky, lethal Joker played by a paunchy, 50 year old Jack Nicholson. As standalone films Burton’s Batman flicks have their charm but they have no relevance or respect to the Batman mythology.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    i rather liked the retarded sushi-eating penguin

    by Raretown

    and thought his death scene was most poignant. i plan to inundate nolan with banal questions about the burton batmans when i meet him. "did you like borton's batman?" "uh...i guess." "good. yes. good."

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Batman Returns is still the finest Batman film, IMO

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Though I do like TDK. Nothing touches BR.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 4:19 p.m. CST

    LASTCLERIC

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Its snide little comment like "Burton’s Batman flicks have their charm but they have no relevance or respect to the Batman mythology," that breed the backlash toward TDK. Most people can give two fucks about the Batman mythology or the funny books they are based on. The films and the 60s tv show are all that exist for most casual viewers. Every single incarnation has relevance to the Batman mythology-- and yes, that includes Burton's version. Lets not forget, Nolan's films would probably not exist were it not for Burton taking the story on screen into much darker territory. <P> You're one of these twats that walk around whining "BUT COMIC BOOKS ARE ART! WAAAAAAAAAAAA!!" Oh fuck off.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 4:40 p.m. CST

    but, but butt

    by Raretown

    comic books ARE art. just like the crude phalluses i scrawl onto newspapers at work when im supposed to be getting paid to do other things.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Majel barrat Roddenberry has died.

    by Smashing

    off topic I know, http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081218/ap_en_ce/obit_majel_roddenberry

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST

    will be called "Rise of the Empire"

    by jrags1138

    with Jet Li as Boba Fett, more small flashbacks of old rumors gone by. Attacking British tabloids is the cheap way of generating response. Its the pot calling the kettle black. I still quote Nicholson from Batman, TDK has no memorable quotes and I do not recall Jokes from the one called Joker. It was a fine film it reminded me of French Connection for some reason or any gritty 70s cop flick, it just had a couple of loons running around in suits and makeup. Batman Returns is a smart film it should have been a winter release, though. I love the way Burton split Waynes character up as his own villians. Plus it had style, even Batman and Robin had style and you see money being spent. Most of the DK shots looked like Mean Streets or Heat.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Bagel badhat chodenberry?

    by Raretown

    fucking WHO?!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Black Mask

    by Coma Baby

    I didn't know anything about Black Mask but wikipedia has convinced me that black mask would make a cool villian for the next one if Nolan's directing - his thing with "false faces" would be a good way to explore corruption in Gotham and the two identities Batman/Bruce Wayne has. They've kind of painted themselves into a corner because by discarding all the goth comic bookness that shows up in the Tim Burton flicks (the only films to get that aspect) they limit the villians they can use and get rid of a lot of the setting/world that makes Batman Batman. It's like Nolan got the darkness right, but left the comic book exaggeration/fantasy/quirkiness behind. Obviously you can go too far and it becomes a cartoon. But I think it needs some more comic bookness. If most of Batman's rogues gallery won't work in this world, or have to be altered beyond recognition, then it's really not such a great translation of Batman to the screen. Dark Knight was good and the Joker worked. But I hope they get someone else to do the next one and open up the films visually. And get someone else to play Batman...

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST

    jrags

    by Raretown

    i thought the city shots in DK looked very clean and HEAT-like. In the next outing i'd like nolan to take the gritty urban realism to a new level, by perhaos having batman stop, look down, and cuss before spending an awkward ten minutes ineffectively trying to scrape a dog's egg off his kevlar boot using a pavement, or maybe stopping in an alleyway to take a piss while checking the texts on his phone.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 4:59 p.m. CST

    I'd be all about the franchise losing Bale...

    by alienindisguise

    I think his Batman is as laughable as Adam West's and his Bruce Wayne is so damn boring. Boo for Bale but then again in the new T4 trailer he sounds just like batman which is way gay.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 5:06 p.m. CST

    west will always be the batman

    by Raretown

    and shatner the kirk. you kids and your pumped up moviestars of today... you'd never see bale pawing weakly at a shark on a ropeladder.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Rachel Weisz would make a great Catwoman

    by hst666

    Can act and be hot, all at the same time. That is all.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Eva Green Would Also Make A Great Catwoman

    by LaserPants

    But I like Rachel Weisz too... question her ability to pull off "bad girl" though. Eva seems more suited to that kind of role; she has a feline aspect (and no, that wasn't a lame reference to her pussy).

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Really?

    by Raretown

    Yeah. I could see weisz responding to affection by chewing on her asshole for ten minutes then laying a turd in some gravel and half-burying it.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 5:35 p.m. CST

    The problem with Burton

    by hst666

    other than his nearly complete inability to tell a story, is that he did not the material seriously (not that the film itself has to be as serious as TDK, but the material should be played as straight as possible) and made a campy film. A good costumed adventurer story should be executed in a somewhat magic realistic manner. I believe Burton's films are lightweight and thin compared to Nolan's films. <p><p>Also, I love the TV show, and want it on DVD ASAP, but it is a genius comedy and does not include the inherent darkness of the character.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST

    FUCK MICHAEL BAY!!!

    by Han Cholo

    Can't stress that enough.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Burt Kwouk would make an awesome person

    by colinjbooth

    in the film. maybe some dude in a 7/11 in the background. I'm his agent, call 01144983400258.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Tarantino to helm UNDERDOG reboot!

    by tensticks

    Wouldn't that be badass?

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Tarantino to helm UNDERDOG reboot!

    by tensticks

    Wouldn't that be badass?

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Burton

    by jrags1138

    most if not all of his films have storytelling problems, the characters, the world, and how much Burton hates what is perceived as normalcy is what I pay for, it fit his Batman films. I see no where but down and /or the lighter side of Batman from now on, money is tight, they want a sure bet. Fanboys have just had their Empire, Temple of Doom, and Godfather 2 - combined- now prepare for Ewoks, non-threatening Nazis, perhaps a musical number to attract females and a happy ending. Maybe we will see a Batcave in this one, woo hoo. I do not think this run will make it to four films.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Mr Freeze Runs A Cryopreservation Company

    by ThePilgrim

    Like Alcor. The Joker Kills himself to escape imprisonment. His Will and a Large Sum of Money he sent Victor company ages back insures ensures that his head will be cryogenic frozen. 20 years pass. The technology to transplant brains has come of age, the same is true for cellular repair and regeneration. The Joker hired someone called Hush to bring him back if it was ever possible. Hush his girl Harley and a group of Goons force their way into the Cryo Preserves holding cell. They take the Jokers head- They bump into Victor Fries and his Wife. A fight ensues. A barrel of liquid nitrogen falls on his wife while shes reach out for Victor to help her. Her hand rests on Victors face it begins to freeze him from the face all the way through the neck. Harley shoots her and she shatters into thousands of pieces. Victor falls to the ground he tries to scream his face is completely paralyzed on that side.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Rosie O'Donnell as Clayface!!!!

    by FSJGuy

    Andy Dick as Robin!!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    I think someone already said it...

    by Ravetin

    ...not really in the mood to read all 500 posts but someone mentioned a villain-less ("Rogue-less") movie. That would demolish all known genus and species of ass. Just Batman struggling with how to save the people that are concerned with stopping him. The closest thing to a villain would be copycat Jokers (a counter point to copycat Batmen in TDK) that vaguely resemble the popular Bats villains.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST

    DKR

    by christpunchers2007

    Would be the best way to "finish" this trilogy. A 3rd film that is a continuation directly from TDK would be hard to do. Anyone you put in there like the Riddler for example will be seen as a Joker wanna-be.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    RUMOR CONFIRMED: GARY OLDMAN HAS A BEER AND CHEETS ON HEATH LEDG

    by Darth Philbin

    Linger longer!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Keaton

    by christpunchers2007

    was the best Bruce Wayne and Batman. Physically Bale is better as he is taller and "badder" in every way. However Bale's acting (and the material he is given) depends on him being too wooden. With Keaton, whenever he was Bruce, you saw that he was truly uncomfortable and wanted to just get back to the cave to do his detective work. Bale? He's just an actor. Very boring to watch him try hard to be a playboy Bruce Wayne. His Batman would have worked if Nolan kept him more in the shadows and didn't make him slur his speech in almost every scene. Keaton would tend to whisper his words or go into "the alternate" mode when he was the Batman, that's Batman, you don't need a wrestler's voice to do it.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Bow down to Burton, psuedo-geeks!

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Super-hero comic book movies would not exist as we know them today without Tim Burton's 1989 master-opus. Without that film, filmmakers would still be trying to figure out how to make live action super-heroes look cool in spandex while hoofing it down Broadway and Main. To all you false idolists worshipping at the throne of TDK, watch the '89 Batman, then watch both of Nolan's Batman movies and observe just how much Nolan has borrowed, retained from, or referenced Mr. Burton's now underrated movie masterpiece. The Batsuit, the Bat-line gun, the "I'm Batman" line. Notice how so many Joker scenes from TDK resembled those from '89 Batman, such as Joker crashing the mob boss meeting, Joker and Batman having a western-style standoff on Main Street, Joker cornering Batman's romantic interest, Joker falling to his defeat. What are Nolan's films but more realistic emo versions of Burton's movies?

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Liberace was a villain on the old show in 1960s

    by Groothewarrior

    Sean Penn could be the new Liberace

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Liberace was a villain on the old show in 1960s

    by Groothewarrior

    Sean Penn could be the new Liberace

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:58 p.m. CST

    TDK

    by christpunchers2007

    Would have been PERFECT if they gave Bale more interesting things to say and more interesting things to do as Bruce Wayne. Imagine Keaton replacing Bale in TDK. What a great movie (barring Keaton's age). I also thought Two Face was played pretty boringly and badly by Eckhart. Sure it got the character "right" but after he became Two Face he died off without having any moral dilemmas, so he's not really "Two Face"d at all. And we NEVER got to know what made him such a hero in the eyes of the public, we were just told he is a hero. What made HIM different and more cunning than all the other DAs before him? They should have shown some election tidbits in the beginning, proving to us that he is the hope of the future for Gotham, rather than jumping right in and having him already bringing down the mob.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Dialog

    by christpunchers2007

    That too was very weak in TDK. Other than some of the speeches that the Joker made I felt everyone else was thrown aside and said predictably everything you think they will say. I never really like BR but now just rewatching it, I enjoy the clever little arguments that Bruce had with Christopher Walkes' character. "If his parents hadn't 86'ed him you two might have been bunkies in prep-school". It's stuff like that which is missing from Nolan's world. Joker was written with no limits but everyone else was too self aware and didn't have anything interesting to say (other than to look for bad guys or to die for dramatic effects).

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Can't remember

    by christpunchers2007

    ANY of Two Face's lines in TDK. He just too bland and predictable (sure since we're comic book geeks we knew he was going to be scarred and go crazy). Dent's character was written as too much of a straight arrow that the first encounter between him and Bruce at the restaurant was just plain BORING. We KNOW that he and Rachel are together and Bruce is bitter because he has to be Batman but let's not make Dent out to be another boring Boy Scout. "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." Such cheese shouldn't be praised.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    I Heard A Rummor

    by ElvisPresLeeHorsleyHarveyOswaldOprahWinFreeJackHorkheimer

    That, Billy The Mountain was a communist and draft dodger and, his stunning wife Ethel (a tree) was involved with a coven of witches.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Ravetin

    by christpunchers2007

    That's a great idea. Have very low key/low profile villains perhaps. We can finally have a Batman movie and not a Joker movie. Maybe even show that Gotham HAS changed in the end by having copycats Batmen saving Bruce's life. Any way they do it the next movie needs to be extremely far out there in order to be of success. I can't be another cat and mouse game or another movie where Bale does his serious face while the camera pans out (Can't believe we never got to see him sulk in TDK, just barely a sobbing scene after Rachel's death).

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    I just can't quit dickblood

    by BilboFett

    or totalfuckingdestruction or Mcxviii or ElvisPresLeeHorsleyHarveyOswal dOprahWinFreeJackHorkheimer

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Official casting!

    by Heckles

    Verne Troyer as Bat-Mite, Bea Arthur as Mad Hatter, and Britney Spears' fat pussy as Clayface.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    1989

    by jrags1138

    I saw the midnight showing and wished for the next few years that Jack would somehow return. Fond memories of a dark yet fun film.I forgave it for outselling Last Crusade. I do not think I am going to go back to the Dark Knight anytime soon. However Batman Begins is what The Phantom Menace should have been. Liam playing the same kind of character recruiting then screwing up the apprentice. I also resent the folks throwing the Burton Batmans to the curb, the mainstream media even said in one review that those films were campy , nope, wrong. When I see Bale I think Newsies. hehe

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST

    there would be no such things as fanboys

    by BilboFett

    If they didn't feel the incessant need to gang-up on a popular movie most people love. Its just not their nature not to trash it and say "we were decieved! the emperor has no clothes!" This is a fucking debate about the perception of reality, NOT reality itself. Ever admit the possibility that you could be wrong? And don't feed that right back to me because I've already admitted that possibility. I've rewatched Batman '89 and I just don't dig it. I was there, opening day, in the summer of 89 when it opened. That same timeframe when Last Crusade, Ghostbusters 2, and UHF all came out. It was a great time. So don't tell me that I didn't grow up with it. And revisiting it.. its corny, lame, not interesting, batman is a short little pussy, too much time is spent on the joker, he doesn't resemble the joker from MOST of the comics, etc. I'm done.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Harry isn't this hypocritical?

    by catlettuce4

    You and your 'staff' spent most of the fall posting all sorts of political-spin stories which normally wouldn't make it to this site but that you knew would generate huge amounts of TB flame war hits. How is this different?

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    John Waters directs

    by quentintarantado

    And Demi Moore is Batman. Bruce Wayne gets an operation and becomes a hermaphrodite (Both male and female sexual organs are present. Gee, being a billionaire gives you verrrry strange tastes) and screws Catwoman (played by Dakota Fanning) and Robin (played by Christopher Mintz-Plasse)in a three-way orgy. Oh yeah, Catwoman is Batman's daughter and Robin is their son (hey, the ages don't work out right...oh well, maybe they'll Benjamin Button everyone.) And one last thing. Everyone turns into zombies. So it's quite a thrilling moment getting a blowjob. Will he (or she) swallow or bite it all off, or maybe both? Watch the next episode, same Bat-time, same Bat-channel....

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Christian Bale and Brandon Routh as Composite Batman!!!

    by Alkeoholic77

    Christian Bale and Brandon Routh as Composite Batman!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Brandon Routh and Christian Bale as Composite Superman!!!

    by Alkeoholic77

    Brandon Routh and Christian Bale as Composite Superman!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:18 p.m. CST

    I bet Eddie Murphy started those rumors...

    by Alkeoholic77

    You can't trust those Irish!

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Joker redux, again

    by donnarumsfeld

    I've always wanted Paul Reubens as Pee Wee as Joker.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    They should adapt Dark Knight Returns

    by m_reporter

    Bruce Wayne is like what, in his early 30's in TDK? They should do a Dark Knight Returns type of deal, where Batman is retired at the start. He's retired because at the end of TDK he cleaned Gotham up, and the only real criminal left was himself.<p> So the movie starts like 10 years after the events of TDK, and Gotham is heading for another crime wave, which forces Bruce to resurrect Batman. Now... This scenario gives you justification to re-cast the Joker without screwing up the continuity or fucking up anything Ledger built up in TDK. Hell, you could even justify changing Joker's personality (doing something else than what Heath did) by putting him in Arkham for 10 years... <p> Daydreaming is so fun.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Dave Chappelle & Wayne Brady join the cast

    by ugh

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Shatner as Dark Knight Batman

    by picardsucks

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 10:57 p.m. CST

    My Dream Cast

    by toro004

    Amy Lee (from Evanescence) as Harley Quinn Megan Fox as Catwoman(Sounds crazy, but think about it... She's kinky) John Malcovich as The Riddler Bryce Dallas Howard as Poison Ivy

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Nicholson Returns in The Dark Knight Returns!

    by Joey_Redballs

    Old Batman has yet to be cast. Nicholson signs on to play Old Joker...PSYCH!...but really...if it was out of continuity of Nolan's Batman and was a straight up adaptation of Frank Miller's TDK...Nicholson would do it. Jack himself has said so. But not if Frank Miller directed. I read that The Spirit blew, and I don't see Nicholson wanting to work with a 2nd time director. Zack Snyder anyone?

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 11:39 p.m. CST

    BATMAN is a FAGGOT

    by Stengah

    fuck that fag. fuck him up the ass.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Nathan Lane as Crazy Quilt

    by Bootskin

    Fuck yeah!

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 1:12 a.m. CST

    we didn't post political pieces to drive traffic

    by HEADGEEK

    but because we were politically minded - and as the owner of this site, I felt like expressing myself. That is VERY different from creating BULLSHIT rumors about what's is allegedly going on. <BR><BR>Nolan and Bale are both on record as saying that in this series there will be no ROBIN - with Bale saying if they bring Robin into it - he'll leave the series. <BR><BR>But when these Bullshit rumors start appearing as fact as NEWS ITEMS - it's outrageous. It's just being posted because the word BATMAN causes traffic spikes.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Yeah Harry, that's irresponsible journalism

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    Fueled by greed, but that's just the times we live in. Webmasters need to employ some good old fashioned journalistic ethics if their sites are to survive. And even though I don't agree with your politics some of the time, I'm glad you have a forum that's relatively unfiltered and allows us all to comment.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Harry

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    No offence, but I don't buy Bale walking away if they bring Robin in. Dark Victory shows how well you can place Robin into a dark setting... and it also bookends Bruce's status in BB and TDK as an orphan who loses almost all of his family... except for Alfred, who he has an emotional disconnect with.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Christian Bale will accept a Robin at his side...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...as soon as they'll simply hand him over a $25 million paycheck.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 2:04 a.m. CST

    So, as I read this...

    by DuncanHines

    I think I can go back to accepting Burton's Bat-films. And even Schumacher's. If you view them all as "Elseworlds"-type stories. Think about it. The Batman in the movies never perfectly matches the Batman in the comics. But elements are there. 1966 Batman. Nolan's Batman. The Animated series. All just different versions of the same character...

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 2:14 a.m. CST

    And regarding Robin...

    by DuncanHines

    The kid, Jim Gordons son, will become a Robin of sorts in the next movie. He obviously idolizes Batman. By the time the next movie comes around, and if they allow story-time to pass between films, Little Jimmy could potentially fill the niche between Barbara Gordon sneaking out under her father's nose to go sidekick for Batman (and you KNOW Gordon always knew. He just trusted Batman enough to know that his little girl would be safe under Batman's watch), and Carrie Kelly in Dark Knight Returns, tal=king it upon herself to be Batman's sidekick after Batman saved her life. You could take the principles of both of those great female characters, and apply them to Commisioner Gordon's son, and create a new Robin character. He might not even be necessarily fighting at Batman's side, until maybe mid-movie, if at all. Also, the gangs element was introduced in Dark Knight. I see DKR/Warriors-type gangs. Jokers, Sons of the Batman, mutant... Great place to adapt certain elements for the next movie to be titled The Drk Knight Returns.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Hrrrrmmmm...Rachel Weisz in a Catwoman suit

    by Dingbatty

    Hmmmmm...shall have to go ponder/fantasize about that one...

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 4:21 a.m. CST

    The third film NEEDS French Stewart

    by ricarleite

    You know it.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 6:19 a.m. CST

    I know you were kidding about The Dark Knight Returns, but

    by Mr Nicholas

    that would actually tie in pretty smoothly with the end of TDK. And the title works!

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 6:28 a.m. CST

    After two great Batman films, there's only one way to go next:

    by theyreflockingthisway

    An older Two Face played by Tommy Lee Jones, Jim Carrey as the Riddler and maybe introduce Robin this time (played by Chris Odonnel). <br><br> Ha ha what a silly idea from me - but, no, it's no more silly than all these other stupid ideas that ACTUALLY GET REPORTED! I was having a nerdy (or rather retarded) arguement with a friend the other night in the pub, who was swearing blind that Johnny Depp would be the Riddler. It was reported on an internet site I've never heard of - it must be true! <br><br> At this rate I can see even Nolan getting pissed off by all this and not doing a third movie because of all the ridiculous things being said about it tarnishing its name and making it seem like it'll just be another Schumacher-a-like sequel.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Harry, what about that Palin porn story?

    by catlettuce4

    How is a story about a porn producer making a XXX Sarah Palin parody anything but a bullshit story? You don't usually cover porn and god knows that story had nothing to do with the merits of the candidates. There was also the coax headline about the creator of that Geena Davis TV show criticizing Palin. There was nothing newsworthy in that story. The series was long cancelled, Rod Lurie had no more insight into the election than any other celebrity, and it was never a show that AICN readers cared about to begin with. If you really, really, are just posting stories like those for reasons other than to generate hits, then prove it by closing the talkbacks for those stories. You've done it a few times in the past so we know you can. Show us that this is about you caring and not getting hits.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Oh and why we can't have Robin:

    by theyreflockingthisway

    It's nothing to do with the character being camp and nothing to do with the fact it's hard to make a "dark" version of him. <br><br> The simple fact is we all like to see Batman working alone. Hiding in the shadows and mysterious. His only friends being his old trusty butler and a honest cop. We don't want to see anyone fighting at his side - the Batman we all love works alone.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 8:08 a.m. CST

    theyreflocking

    by readyoufool

    also, robin is a biggest douche in the universe.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 8:19 a.m. CST

    entire cast

    by rodneyfaile

    Batman - John Travolta Robin - Clay Akin Gordon - Dick Cheney CatWoman - Rosie O'Donnel Penguin - Artie Lange Riddler - Keanu Reeves Alfred - Higgins from Magnum P.I.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST

    entire cast

    by rodneyfaile

    Batman-John Travolta, Robin-Clay Akin, Gordon-Dick Cheney, CatWoman-Rosie O'Donnel, Penguin-Artie Lange, Riddler-Keanu Reeves, Alfred-Higgins from Magnum P.I.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Next Batman film will reflect the socio-political milieu

    by Chishu_Ryu

    of the time. I've noticed that's how the Nolan's scripts have been rolling. Hence, the direction America takes under Obama's presidency will direct how the filmmakers pen Batman III.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Robin will rear his head in Batman III

    by Chishu_Ryu

    There's been a stupid kid featured in both Nolan Batman movies to date. You'll get more of that in spades with the next film. He he he...

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 8:57 a.m. CST

    catlettuce4: but that doesn't bring people to AICN

    by chrth

    It's only the regulars that get bogged down in the political arguments.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    only retards believe retarded rumors

    by Rupee88

    and the retard audience must be served too, so I have no problem with making up Batman rumors.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    only retards believe retarded rumors

    by Rupee88

    and the retard audience must be served too, so I have no problem with making up Batman rumors.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    It's too bad about Robin- because he could have

    by ThePilgrim

    Been a villain. <P> He could have been a wannabe superhero who kills someone, and becomes a real vigilante. Murder is murder thats why we have laws to punish the wicked. <P>Nolan overlooked who Robin could have been to the series in his semi realistic tellings. Robin could have been the wannabe sidekick. The annoying young fucking buck fucker who spends his days obsessing over the batman, wanting to be just like him, listening to the police band on a radio in his car and house- Wanting to honor his dead firefighter father and make him proud. Eventually he decides the only way to get Batmans attention to win a role as his "sidekick" or "goto man" is to take matters into his own hands, he hears of a standoff between police and a group of bank robbers. He interferes and winds up killing a few of the bad guys and getting a few of the hostages killed as well. It all goes horribly wrong. <P> It makes him criminal/vigilante, and now he will never be batmans sidekick, but heres the kicker. at some point during his run from the law- He discovers batmans true identity and in his anger against the cites admiration of him. Rob reveals batmans identity to gotham shortly after hsi capture. He is killed in prison shortly after speaking with bruce over the phone. It's a very touching scene actually- because Bruce realizes that Robin's intentions were always good, but misguided. Rob later confesses that he lied about Bruce being the batman during an interrogation scene this evidence is replayed for the news. the following day Rob is attacked and killed in prison. Remember Rob killed badguys. He was a vigilante. <P> <P> So yeah there you go...Not opting Robin to be in the film was a dumb fucking mistake, No one was thinking about how to play with the character so he never becomes the sidekick. Theres a story to play around with there, he never had to become the Robin we knew. He could have been an instrument to bring more pain into batmans life. In the Internet age we all know there are some fans out there who go to far and they do crazy stupid shit- They usually have no life and they live off of their obsessions. Robin could have been easily been that character...

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Mickey Rourke as Batman....

    by fasterpussycat

    <p> It will never happen, but damn...think of it. Darren Aronofsky came *this* close to helming BATMAN BEGINS. Him and Rourke teaming up to do THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, tying up the loose ends and finishing the series as a perfect story arc trilogy? </p> It will never happen, but dammit...would it not be grand? It could finish up and be the perfect superhero film series. I know I'm not the only one seriously worried about the third one blowing its wad, a la SPIDERMAN 3.</p> The one beacon of hope is Nolan saying "fuck you, studio...I'll make it when I want to make it." No rush job, no pre-chosen release date before the script is even written...</p> Just think, Fox - if only you gave the directors a bit of breathing room, you might not have had to Ratner up the third X-MEN and give your studio as much credibility as a two-dollar Bangkok whore...

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    i have no idea

    by dioxholster

    what the next batman should be. Nolan's batman is very limited, makes it hard to explore other villains. can they get that Bat-creature? u know that scientist who transformers into a bat monster. could be good but not real.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST

    The next BATMAN movie should be!!!

    by ThaJackaL

    BATMAN BEYOND! With Keanu Reeves playing the young new BATMAN even tho he would be close to 50 by then... HE CAN PULL IT OFF! Oh, and ADAM WEST as the elder... NO WAIT Michael Keaton as the OLDER BATMAN who helps the younger BATMAN!

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Jeff Goldblum as The Riddler

    by Stabby

    You know that would be perfect casting and he would rock. Oh, also Marisa Tomei as Catwoman.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    The Joker could kill himself

    by ThePilgrim

    Make a huge spectacle of himself- The Joker warn that theres more games prepared for Gotham in his absence. Never exit center stage without the spotlight. He set certain things into motion that ensure his head is preserved/frozen at Victor Fries Cryrotech Industries He owns a lot of company Shares and it's in his Will. We don't get to toy with that shit until the 30 something years in the future Batman takes place. <P> Hell maybe at the end of the "3rd" Batman, Bruce Wayne decides to kill himself- To prevent the Joker from coming back in the future to fuck Gotham up- Bruce realizes that this is the only way to protect Gotham from that possible future. So he joins the Joker in Temporary Death His Body is sent to Cryrotech to remain preserved until technologies emerges that can resurrect and restore him. Before he goes all of Gotham figures out that he is the Batman. You could spin it that when he is resurrected in the future he has his Facial identity changed so he can remain anonymous and still take on the Joker. <P> Now the Joker cut off his own head- So when he does come back in the future it will be in a new body- it's just his brain thats saved. <P> Bruce stopped his own heart- so he will come back looking like himself- unless he decides to change his appearance to protect the mythos of Batman. Making the public believe that his body was destroyed in the attack on Cyrotech when the thugs came to get and resurrect the Joker. <P> Just incase I wasn't clear- Bruce kill himself at the end of part 3. He fights another villain throughout the third film- This villain is the follow through- The Jokers protégé. <P> Victor Fries- Mr. Freeze is for the 4th Batman the 30 years forward in time when the Joker is resurrected in a new body and Bruce is brought back by Mr Foxes Nephew. Bruces body is not at Cryotech when the thugs raid it for the joker. He was moved to a special location by Mr Fox.- Knowing that the Joker might come back first or somehow have had the insight to destroy who ever claims ownership to Batmans identity. <P> The thugs who steal the Jokers head- pressure Victor to tell them where Bruce is. They freeze and destroy his wifes body, they wrap it up by pouring a mild second freezing agent down his throat. This destroys his vocal chords. They leave him for dead. Big mistake. <P> Michael Keaton for The Riddler. Yeah lets see him and Batman get nuts!

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Dark Knight Returns

    by stabmeintheface

    The ONLY person to play future Bruce Wayne is Bruce Campbell. In fact, I heard this is already being filmed in a secret studio in Argentia. Also, Anna Paquin in Robin and Stephen Colbert is Superman.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Mickey Rourke

    by Mosquito March

    So, now because of SIN CITY and THE WRESTLER, Mickey Rourke is everybody's favorite actor all of the sudden? You know, a lot of awkward "man-crushing" goes on in the geek community, but need I remind you all that Mickey Rourke has been the butt of geek jokes for YEARS? You did not love this guy until Marv - until then, he was the guy who made a couple of good movies in the '80s who basically ended his career in HARLEY DAVIDSON AND THE MARLBORO MAN. But when Marv happened, and you went apeshit, the same way you didn't give a damn about Gerard Butler until you could see his twitching pecks and six-pack in 300. After that movie, Butler was talked about for everything. And now, because of THE WRESTLER, people are saying Rourke should play fucking BATMAN??? Are you people out of your minds???

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Mickey Rourke to play Killer Croc in next Batman movie.

    by Leafar the Lost

    With that face of his, it is the only Batman villain I would allow Rourke to play. The character is an ex-military man, Waylon Jones, changed by genetic experiments into a crocodile type creature. He would be completely covered up by makeup, and Batman would take him out in the first few minutes of the movie. Then we would be introduced to the real villains of the movie, like Johnny Depp as the Riddler and/or Megan Fox as the Catwoman.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Okay, assuming no Dent in the third film…

    by funwithwords

    The film opens, like TDK a full year following the previous film. Gordon is commissioner of police, but corruption within the ranks has not improved and may even be worse (along the lines of what it had been in Begins). Batman’s relationship with the police is a heightened version of what it was in Begins. Bowing to public pressures, the mayor has insisted that Gordon find and arrest the Batman, Gordon complies but many suspect that he’s sabotaging the investigation (which he is). While all of this is happening, Gotham is plagued by petty crime. Batman works double-duty trying to keep the streets safe and avoiding capture. The city’s criminals are disorganized. Small time. But a local club owner who has a penchant for tuxedos and umbrellas played by Robbie Coltrane (oh, I wish it could be Ned Beatty or Charles Durning) has seen the collapse of organized crime in Gotham (following the events of TDK) as an opportunity, and fills the void. He does not, however become a major adversary for Bats in this installment…if ever. Penguin as the most recognizable, least cartoonish villain remaining in the stable has to play some role in the next film although not necessarily as major adversary. He may fund some of the small time stuff, but he is not necessarily widely suspected of criminal activity by anybody (even Bats). I know that it’s been widely reported that Penguin will not be in the movies, but that really shows Nolan’s lack of understanding of the character beyond Danny Devito more than anything else. As for villains that actually would not work in the universe created by Nolan: Anybody whose origin requires some level of the supernatural or scientific absurdity (too many to name), anybody who’s real name is a pun relating to a character trait (e.g. no E. Nigma), anybody with a too comedic character trait (e.g. an obsession with Lewis Carroll), anybody who’s female, and any characters whose back stories would require a longstanding relationship with Bruce Wayne. As far as I see it, those are the criteria that Nolan and Co. will be using in determining the next villain. Through process of elimination, one of the largest and most fruitful comic villain stables gets whittled down pretty quickly. If you go on basis of remotely known characters, I think I just eliminated everybody but Penguin.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Michael Keaton as Beetlejuice....Great

    by Dr Gregory House

    Michael Keaton as Mr. Mom....funny stuff. Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne/Batman......are you fucking KIDDING ME?!?

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Ellen Page as Robin...

    by Mosquito March

    ...AKA, Dick Grayson.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Man-Bat

    by LGM

    Batman:Rebirth Dr. Hugo Strange(Kevin Spacey) uses hypnosis and drugs to "treat" psychotic Kirk Langstrom(Elias Koteas) to make his own version of Batman, "Man-Bat". Not a genetic change, but a costume similar to Batman's, but with various retractable blades. The story is similar to "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari" with Dr. Strange controlling Langstrom. But with the difference being Langstrom has a normal life during the day, not controlled 24/7. Batman, still considered a fugitive, is now believed to be behind a series of brutal murders that where committed by Man-Bat. Commissioner Gordon starts to have his doubts about Batman and leads a task force to apprehend the Dark Knight. The mob will get involved when one of there own is killed by Man-Bat. They too believe Batman is responsible for the murders, and put a $2million price on his head. The movie will end with Langstrom killing Dr. Strange and turning himself in. He confesses to his crimes and the murders commited by Two-face in the previous movie. He knows he didn't do it, but he knows the city needs a hero,Batman. The movie ends with Bruce Wayne realizing that he will always be Batman, until the day he dies. Thus ending the trilogy, complete with cliches.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST

    The Realism

    by ThePilgrim

    It's not Real. Real was tossed out when a Giant Microwave Gun Evaporated Crazy Juice into Gotham's Atmosphere- When cell phones worked as full 3d rendering Spatial Sonar device with significant ranges- When Magnetic Resonance Imaging could read fingerprints off a bullet- When a School Bus could exit a Robbed Bank and file in with the other School Buses and drive right past the Cops arriving at the scene. Nolan's world is real all right, but it ain't as real as ours. Both Film went there. It's not to hard to believe the third one will too...

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Kevin Spacey... Riddler....

    by Obscura

    ...recalling his John Doe performance from se7en.... the riddler should know everything, in the same way that the joker did.... but instead of playing it sane, play it calm.... someone who knows how everything will turn out, no matter what. the only one with the answer.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Micahel Keaton As Riddler

    by ThePilgrim

    Cause I want him and Bail on the same screen going at it.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    I mean Michael

    by ThePilgrim

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Conceding the point on realism…

    by funwithwords

    I don’t think the universe created for the movie is akin to the real world, but it exists in a universe that allows for some outlandish things, but draws a very real and discernable line. Pick a villain, it’s not difficult to determine on which side of the line they fall. In the created universe, men do not go through metamorphosis or mutation. There could not be a Killer Croc, a Man-Bat, Solomon Grundy, or the more advanced versions of Clayface. There cannot be a doctor who works with cryogenics whose name rhymes with freeze. There cannot be a Poison Ivy. Names with puns are obviously out: there can be no confounding villain named is Edward Nigma or a Greek mythology expert named Maxie Zeus. While Catwoman is real enough, she doesn’t fit the tone of the universe, either. Villains that can be in the next film: Penguin, Julian Day, Zsasz, and (I guess) Deadshot. Of these, I think Penguin and maybe Day work the best.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    I just saw the Bat symbol...

    by Dead_Geek

    ...In my toilet after taking a huge dump. /\ /\ / \/ \ | o o | | [--] |

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST

    KEVIN CONROY AS BATMAN

    by punto

    for The Dark Kinght Returns. He's the right age, and he _is_ the Dark Knight.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Too bad they killed off that fat batman impersonator in the Dark

    by Alkeoholic77

    He would have made an awesome Robin.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Jeff Goldblum as E. Nigma Come on He is an Enigma

    by Stabby

    Just sayin.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST

    The rumors are piling up like guano

    by ElvisPresLeeHorsleyHarveyOswaldOprahWinFreeJackHorkheimer

    I heard that Yahoo Serious will play Batman with Andy Dick as Robin and Shia as Batmite. The Villains will be Kite-Man played immaculately by uber-thespian Danny Bonaduce and Crazy Quilt played by the corpse of Lawrence Olivier. It will also be filmed in Bald-o-vision causing a fun and wacky nation-wide hair loss. Also expect a big Taco Bell promotion involving an aids cure. and its coming summer 09! - hold onto your sphincters it's gonna be a crazy time!

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Didnt want to say anything till it was final...

    by DaBUU

    but I'm in talks to play Riddler and Harley Quinn

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Batman The Religion

    by jrags1138

    In a few hundred years wars will be fought between the Batman, Spiderman, and Superman factions over whose group is more close to the source material, unless Oprahism squashes us all. Never read any of the comics, they look like incomplete storyboards except for some reason the GI Joe comic where snake Eyes and Ninja are dueling with no dialogue always intrigued me, I have an original and the reissue from last year.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Prayer

    by DaBUU

    Cant wait to pray to St. Nightwing

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST

    chrth it doesn't matter who posts...

    by catlettuce4

    ...the important thing, for Harry and the site's advertisers, is hits. Even if the same TB'ers keep coming back again and again to a political flame war thread to argue with each other it still means more hits to the site and, therefore, more revenue to Harry. That's why he posts those threads IMHO: it's an easy way to generate site hits without actually posting any "Cool News".

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    ELLEN PAGE AS JUNO!!!

    by dr.bulber

    alfred and juno would make great kitchen pals.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Michael Keaton appears as Earth 2 Batman...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...and kicks Bale's Batman's ass!

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Batman and Buttman team up

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    to take down a new Villain The Proctologist

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Brubaker reboot of Catwoman fits the tone of the films.

    by Dingbatty

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 8:16 p.m. CST

    He He He, Eddie Murphy as Riddler

    by SlyAndTheFamilyStallone

    Too complex. Eddie can't even play an animated donkey without playing Eddie Murphy.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Vincent Price as Egghead!

    by kafka07

    I honestly won't start taking any rumors even a little bit seriously until the end of 2009. Better yet, when WB makes an official announcement. Until then, I am going to forget Batman and live my life.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 10:44 p.m. CST

    From what I hear

    by RipVanMarlowe

    Ridley Scott is directing and Bale will be playing BOTH Batman and The Joker. The strange turn is that, apparently, after locking The Joker away, Batman must keep the antagonist's image alive so he can go on playing the hero in Gotham.

  • Dec. 20, 2008, 8:58 a.m. CST

    PRISONER remake

    by Preacher_klee

    AMC has already made the remake mini-series and clips of it are in a new "coming soon" montage they are showing on the channel. a film remake in the next 10 years or so seems unlikely

  • Dec. 20, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST

    The next Batman villain is............Superman?!

    by JDanielP

    Superman is sent in to take Batman into custody. But guess what. The Dark Knight isn't having ANY of it!

  • Dec. 20, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Harry Knowles as the Pot

    by BobWinters5

    He will spend the entire film calling the Kettle black.

  • Dec. 20, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    I want to share my thoughts on Nolan's artistic vision.

    by JDanielP

    The key to understanding how superheros SUCCEED in film...is to "see" the sequential work of comic books/graphic novels as real, within the fantasy world the material is based. There was a time when Batman comic book fans discovered artist Neal Adams...as he made Batman more life-like, in collaboration with inker Dick Giordano and writer Denny O'Neil. (And who doesn't love the classic Marshall Rogers run in Detective Comics?) --Basically, Chris Nolan has given Batman the cinematic life that comic book artists Neal Adams, Dick Giordano, and Marshall Rogers were known for. Sure, movies and comics are different mediums. But I find some similarity in such vision, of movie directors and comic book artists (storyboards being the bond). And it is THIS element of artistic vision that Chris Nolan gets an "A+" ...as he made the fantasy feel more alive, more life-like, and perhaps as plausible as we will ever see Batman captured on film, given the outstanding performances involved. And for that, I will feel forever grateful to all who made THE DARK KNIGHT possible, which includes the visionary artists who came before. --Now, here's to hoping that Chris Nolan brings Superman into the mix. I already know that he can do it. Do you?

  • Dec. 20, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    "Realistic" Batman

    by jrags1138

    When I get caught in one of those braindead conversations about how the person I am talking to only likes "realistic films", instead of reminding how all films are unreal simply based on time and space and a simple concept known as acting, or saying, "so you only watch documentaries?" NOW I will say "then you must have loved Dark Knight." Sit back, laugh and watch feathers fly.

  • Dec. 20, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST

    I hope I am not the focus

    by funwithwords

    of the argument based around people bowing down to the altar of the REAL. If I am, I'll state for the record that I made no value judgement with regard to whether realer=better. Of course all film (even documentary, maybe especially documentary) is artificial. That has nothing to do with the argument I've been making with regard to the universe created for these films, which tonally shuts out the wide majority of Batman villains. I know how much people want to believe that this isn't the case, but it is. There is no room in this world for Mr. Freeze, Killer Croc, Riddler, Man-Bat, et cetera. If you can't imagine how terrible these movies would become if you introduced Killer Croc into the mix, then you don't have a very good imagination. If you can imagine a continuation of the established reality in which Catwoman plays a substantive role, then you are deluding yourself. You can like these movies for what they are--I have my problems with them personally--but you can't praise the movie as being a gritty crime thriller in the same category as Heat and then claim no continuity problems arise when you insert The Mad Hatter into the mix. Could great Batman movies be made that employ some of the lesser plausible characters? Of course. Could they be a continuation of this series? Simply put, hell no.

  • Dec. 20, 2008, 8:27 p.m. CST

    not the focus, unless...

    by jrags1138

    your the lady at the bank who hated Indiana Jones and gave me the "realistic" excuse. Then I said something to screw her up like "so you watch documentaries all the time" then she explains her love for romantic comedies, which of course inject more fantasy elements than any anything that a crystal skull could produce. On the subject of the Dark Knight they may have painted themselves in the corner with their real world villain plausibility strategy. The moment they go in a more fantasy direction is the moment everyone screams it has jumped the shark. ]

  • Dec. 20, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Colt 45

    by Perceptor

    I heard from a guy that cleans the bathrooms at Warner Bros. Studios that Billy Dee Williams is in negotiations to return as Harvey Dent/ Two-Face and that the plot would revolve around him re-running for D.A. and winning because there was some confusion over the ballot forms. On a side note, I think the Riddler could be done. Bring back Joker using Johnny Depp and have the guy that Dent threatens to kill in the alley only to be saved by yours trully... I mean Batman, because I'm not Batman that would be insane... have that guy play Riddler. Have him be so psychotic that he actually announces to the city what he's going to do to it in retaliation for the situation with Dent only he does it in riddle form. Have the Joker taking advantage of the panic from Arkham luring me... ahem... I mean the Batman into a game of cat and mouse and the big finale/ plot twist would be **************************.

  • Dec. 21, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST

    No, I'm the dude who told you he hated Crystal Skull

    by funwithwords

    because it sucked in too many ways to mention in a Batman talkback.

  • Dec. 21, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Excluding the "fantasy", it can STILL mirror real life.

    by JDanielP

    I strongly argue that adding more fantasy elements (and characters) to Nolan's next Batman movie...will NOT (I repeat, NOT) disconnect it from this Batman series, as long as Nolan and company remain consistent in this life-like style. Honestly, it is even EASY for me to imagine Superman in a movie like THE DARK KNIGHT, as long as the story supports it. This isn't a stage play, where a villain spouts a minute long dose of evil monologue (see Poison Ivy in BATMAN AND ROBIN). Although THE DARK KNIGHT isn't flawless, it was nearly perfect, in my eyes. If only footage existed for an extended cut, where those "plot-holes" are fleshed out with more outstanding performances, so that we (the audience) wouldn't have to make that mental leap, as to what happened at the party once Batman was out of the picture. Simple stuff, really. And while Bale continues to be great as Bruce Wayne, his final delivery of dialog (as Batman) with the Joker...was somewhat inconsistent with Nolan's overall style. (It was leaning into that over-the-top delivery that we too often get in superhero movies.) I suppose you could blame part of that on the dialog itself. And I imagine that when Bruce Wayne is Batman, he is less a performer...and his true self is revealed. His voice SHOULD have that growl...yet still sound sincere and honest, in relation to the character. As is, I still love THE DARK KNIGHT. It is fantastic. And it is my favorite superhero flick of all time, just as Batman is my favorite fictional character. As GREAT as it is, even as it sits on my shelf as one of my all-time favorite movies, I know that perfection is waiting. And I hope that it happens in my lifetime. And from my perspective, you follow this near masterpiece with something that could be even MORE,...with that being the involvement of Superman, while remaining consistent to Nolan's style. If it takes 50 scripts to find that ultimate script, so be it. But it shouldn't take long. The history of Batman and Superman, as friend or foe, is there...if you know where to look. Come on, Chris Nolan! If the hero has become the villain, then bring in Superman! THAT is what I would do.

  • Dec. 21, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    harry knowles' idea and my own

    by mourasantos

    First of all, I think Harry's ideas for the next movies are good. Secondly, I have a very clearly defined idea of how the general broad-strokes should be put in place for the next couple of Batman flicks. First of all I think it should be said that I believe people have misinterpreted the fabric of “Nolan’s universe” as being one that adheres closely to our own. My take on the films is at odds with this approach. I agree that the two films Christopher Nolan produced are more realistic than any of the other “Batman’s” that preceded it… but people forget that the principal theme surrounding Batman Begins and continuing onto The Dark Knight is of one pertaining to escalation. I believe that if the series does go on with Nolan under the helm, he should continue to explore the Batman mythos as a world that becomes progressively weirder and more outlandish, so that towards the end of the series it is hard to recognize it as the same presented to us in the saga’s beginning: a world where Batman’s own existence repeatedly spawns a plethora of villainous characters continuously outdoing one another in their excentricity and implausibility so that nearing the series’ apex it manages not only to be more faithful to its fantastical comic-book source material as well as being able keep in tune with its original intent of elevating the films away from Burton’s mediocre pop-artistry. Given The Dark Knight’s sensational box-office gross I think it would be ideal to produce the next Batman as a two part spectacle filmed back to back a la Harry Potter’s last outing. The reasons for this decision abound: • The Batman franchise, if done right, has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be a highly rentable one. It would not be much of a gamble for Warner Bros. to finance two pictures “in one sitting”. • Christian Bale’s performance as Bruce Wayne/Batman is invaluable for the series’ continuity and his contribution to further franchise installments should be insured contractually for two back-to-back films so that the actor’s age does not become a hindrance to the plausibility of the character. The long process between the realization of each singular installment would then be eliminated, thus discarding the rather ludicrous prospect of audiences watching a 40+ year old Batman performing feats of near physical impossibility. • The fact that two Batman films could be done and over with, in one fell swoop could open up the possibility for director Chistopher Nolan to expand his artistic ambitions. Once completed, he could then focus on other kinds of non-Batman related projects a director of his caliber is surely interested in. • Finally, the remote possibility of super-hero genre market saturation. In other words, the assumption that, however unlikely, the popularity of movies based on comic book properties will soon peak and therefore, the necessity to release them before such happens becomes a priority. With the necessity of the films being shot back-to-back out of the way, the creative process for these films can be discussed: In my view, the tentative use of the Riddler for the next movie should be discarded. I believe he should be pushed back to the second sequel to The Dark Knight; His villainous machinations are too reminiscent of the Joker’s own trickery for them to have any resonance with audiences as early as the next movie. The use of the Riddler as the main antagonist for Batman in a direct sequel to The Dark Knight would seem derivative to the public and would therefore desenpower the presence of such a villain on screen. Thus, the Penguin would be the perfect foil for the next movie. A movie which, in my mind, should have as its main precepts the following: • GCPD’s prerogative will be to bring down the Batman at any costs. This will prove a hindrance to Batman’s crime-fighting agenda throughout much of the film. • The Penguin should take movie goers one step closer to Batman’s fantastical comic book roots. His visage should be abhorrent and wonderfully grotesque but not enough that it would project audiences into the realm of incredulity. • In another nod to the idea of escalation and Batman’s world growing ever stranger, The Penguin’s use of a deadly umbrella should be included, but in a careful manner so as to avoid slipping into the realm of camp. Perhaps a modified unbreakable umbrella like the real world ones used by the Secret Service of the Phillipines would be appropriate. • The Penguin should be a high-tech arms dealer who is flooding Gotham’s underworld with real-world high tech weapons systems such as the DREAD or the CORNERSHOT. He could be viewed as a kind of twisted, malevolent Lucius Fox, obsessed with using his weapons expertise and vast financial resources to put an end to the Batman’s existence. • The Bat-suit will suffer yet another upgrade in order to cope with the weapons being flooded into Gotham. However, Batman’s refusal to stoop down to his antagonist’s level by acquiring guns of his own should be seen as both heroic and—given the graveness of the situation—pathological. This point will be driven home with audiences by showing them Bruce Wayne’s injuries as being graver than the ones caused by any of his previous scuffles. The amount of bodily harm to which the protagonist subjects himself to should be gruesome to the point that even Alfred questions his refusal to “fight fire with fire”. (As we already know, Batman refuses to use guns of any kind as he associates them with his parents’ demise.) • Much like the James Bond series, movie-goers hunger for interesting gadgets in a Batman film. This thirst should be partially quenched with Batman’s upgraded suit and the revelation of a sleeker, cooler prototype vehicle being in the works (only to be finished/used in the following film). However, most of the high-tech eye candy will be provided by the Penguin’s arsenal of state of the art weaponry. This will not only augment the movie’s visual appeal but also help to cement The Penguin’s status as a genuine threat. • Batman’s partial redemption in the eyes of Gotham’s public should be achieved through his defeat of the Penguin. The Penguin’s threat to the integrity of Gotham will be such that its citizens, in a desperate plea for salvation will call out to what they perceive as a necessary evil: the Batman. This fight fire with fire approach will be polarizing amongst Gothamites, but by the end of the picture, and given the protagonist’s slew of heroic deeds (including The Penguin’s downfall), many will question the veracity of Batman’s involvement in Dent’s supposed death, allowing Comissioner Gordon’s GCPD to re-assess Batman’s incarceration as a priority. • Batman’s presence within Gotham City should be shown to have an effect upon the image of the city itself. Gotham should suffer an ever-so-slight metamorphosis veering towards the dark and gothic as a reflection of its iconic protector. More gargoyles and building facades featuring chimeras and the like should be a staple in Gotham. This would help identify Gotham as a city with its own identity as opposed to just another large North American hub. • Finally--and functioning as the movie’s cliffhanger--Two Face’s survival should be revealed. Comissioner Gordon having pulled the necessary strings, it is revealed to audiences he is alive and incarcerated in Arkham Asylum under an alias. Gotham’s dirty little secret hidden away amongst Gotham’s other psychotic evildoers such as Scarecrow, The Joker and now the Penguin. With all these points discussed above the setup for a second sequel featuring the Riddler is established. I also have some very clearly defined ideas pertaining to how that particular movie should play out, the most important of which, to my mind, include the revelation in that film’s ending of The Joker having taken control of Arkham Asylum. An ending which would be perfect for a fifth and final film: an adaptation of Grant Morrison’s influential graphic novel “Arkham Asylum” featuring The Scarecrow, The Penguin, The Riddler and the Joker’s long awaited return; a movie which would function as the apotheosis of all the weirdness building up in Gotham and one where Batman’s own psychosis becomes readily apparent. The ending of the film could conceivably consist of the tentative re-imagination of Superman descending from on-high and approaching the Batman for recruitment to the JLA—an image which would not be so out of place within the dbizarre context of the film, but would still be seen as some kind of apparition to a disbelieving Batman. This climax could be viewed as either a catalyst to all the ascending preposterousness going on within Gotham or as a discomforting look into Batman’s fragile mind. In other words, Superman’s arrival in the end of “Arkham Asylum” could be the fruit of Batman’s shattered psyche, a hallucination conjured from a mind so twisted by the Joker’s machinations that its way of coping was by raising a Jungian archetype out of its own imagination. This is a concept which was briefly discussed in “Batman Begins” and one that would duly fit within “Arkham Asylum”. Either way one wishes to interpret the ending of this film opens up the possibility for the eagerly awaited JLA film. I truly believe this to be the only conceivable manner to conciliate Nolan’s vision with a hypothetical Justice League spin-off.

  • Dec. 21, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST

    This just in: HULK HOGAN TO PLAY CLAYFACE!

    by brodiebruce_405

    Harry said so, must be true. He gets all the info, except for in all those Hollywood parties that don't have wheelchair access.

  • Dec. 21, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Then make Batman Beyond

    by AlwaysThere

    Perfect idea.

  • Dec. 21, 2008, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Starring as Bane, the mad hatter, and poison ivy will be...

    by blah13

    GORDON RAMSAY!

  • Dec. 21, 2008, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Batman vs Illinois Gov.

    by jrags1138

    with Rahm as the false villain and Obama in the middle deciding who to turn to. Since Gotham is Chicago now, I did not get the memo. Thats gritty, torn from reality film making. Cameo by George Clooney as furrowed brow liberal lawyer/lobbyist getting to the truth. Greenlight this mess NOW.

  • Now that the batman's love interest is dead, the third installment has gotta be heavy with femalien chops. Anna Farris as Harley trying to avenge the Joker & Sarah Michelle Gellar as Catwoman eroding Batman's compassionate side. Nolan has gotta play the femme card next, right?

  • Dec. 21, 2008, 9:10 p.m. CST

    I'd like two more

    by Charlie_Allnut

    then leave it for about twenty years and have Nolan and Bale revisit it for The Dark Knight Returns.

  • Dec. 22, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST

    I don’t know...

    by funwithwords

    ...how much time I really want to waste telling people how wrong they are. I mean, it is one of my favorite things, but only in moderation. On escalation: Yes, that was the point of Begins. And using Begins as a spring board, they could have taken this franchise into some very interesting directions. Maybe it was a mistake to bring the Joker out so soon. Maybe with the second film they should have gone with another villain that hadn’t been portrayed in film, but one who could have really pushed the chaos to a higher level. I have to say, I think Ledger was great, but I think Nolan totally wasted the intensity of the character and of the performance on a plot that talked a lot about chaos and lines being crossed and things burning, but failed to follow through on the promises it makes in the first act. I’ve said this before, but one of the weirder moments in The Dark Knight for me was when somebody at the press conference shouted to Dent that things were worse than ever. I remember thinking, really? How? By that point, Joker had killed a mob boss, his goons, a bunch of his own goons, a fake Batman, a judge, the commissioner of police, and (supposedly) Gordon. While that could certainly be described as bad, how exactly is that worse than ever? How does the chaos at that point come close to mirroring let alone surpassing the period when crime was rampant during the “Depression” or when, for instance, the city was under siege by the League of Shadows and Crane’s nerve toxin? While I like Joker’s monologue in the hospital about things going according to plan and how people don’t mind when you kill gangbangers or soldiers, if you look back on the film, while he did hatch that lame ferryboat scheme that could have killed a ton of innocents, he doesn’t kill a single person that isn’t connected to either criminals or the law. He did blow up an empty hospital, though. The horror! I mean, come on, if things are so bad, why are people still enjoying themselves at bars and restaurants only hours after he blew up (the teeny tiny) Gotham General? Where was the chaos? Where was the escalation? How are things worse in The Dark Knight than they were in Begins? And I’m not asking for a condescending explanation of how I wasn’t paying close enough attention or how I simply didn’t get how brilliant the film is. But I guess that’s less my point and more my trying to refute your point. Which is to say that you could have been right about the potential for the fantastic in the series using Begins as a jumping off point, that is, if Nolan hadn’t totally screwed that whole premise up with The Dark Knight, a film so contemptuous towards its source material that filmmaker has essentially said he doesn’t want the thing to be looked at as a comic book film. Which gets to the point I’ve been trying to make, but haven’t yet: Chris Nolan is embarrassed that these are comic book movies. After making a pretty good comic book movie a few years ago, Nolan decided he didn’t want to do that anymore. No, he wanted to make a Michael Mann movie. He’s the one who started all of these lame comparisons to Heat. He’s the one who wants people to say things like, ‘he’s shown that comic book movies can be serious art’ without being remotely aware of the irony implicit in making the argument in favor of this proving the legitimacy of the genre by trying to mimic another genre. I mean, if you’re looking for comics as art, it was done a few years ago; it was called Hulk, and it was both artful and unapologetically a member of the comic genre (even if it didn’t necessarily resemble a Hulk comic). I don’t know whether or not Ang Lee likes comics, but I never once felt like he was patronizing me for liking comics the way I feel patronized by Nolan’s Dark Knight. Everyone is talking about how this is the Batman film they’ve been waiting for, how much better it is than the Schumacher (and even Burton) crap-fests, but they neglect to recognize how little The Dark Knight actually resembles the Batman they’ve known from the comics. And some of you (Harry?) think the Batman he’s created is prepared to take on Superman…please. And that’s nothing against the Batman he’s created, but he’s only recently been able to turn his neck, and you want him to take on the Man of Steel?

  • Dec. 22, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    funwithwords, as to SUPERMAN in Nolan's next Bat-flick

    by JDanielP

    If you can't "see" it, then nobody can help you. The best you can do is research their appearances together.

  • Dec. 22, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST

    fair point, Funwithwords

    by ctsamurai

    I never really was worried about what the director thought he was making. And I really do think that this is a really good comic book movie, sure the world is "realistic" but that's just the way it was portrayed and it worked. As for the "things being worse" line, that's a cheap line that would work in any comic book, its always "worst" just before the climactic battle. It doesn't really have to speak for the history of the city, and-in a sense- that was just one person's opinion. As for this Mickey Rourke love, what the hell is that about? He was in Sin City and all of a sudden everyone has decided that he is the only "grizzled vet" for every comic/nerd fantasy. Come on. One of the other TBers nailed it on the head. You guys need to calm down, just because he was good in one movie doesn't mean he'd be good in every movie.

  • Dec. 22, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    JDanielP

    by funwithwords

    Thanks for the suggestion, but I think I will leave the researching to you. I do know a thing or two about the relationship, but I also know a thing or two (like the rest of you) about the director's stated intent, and the tone he's established to carry that through. I don't know if Superman could have existed in the universe established for Begins, but I know he doesn't exist in the parallel universe created for TDK.

  • Dec. 22, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Mickey Rourke

    by funwithwords

    I think a lot of people here probably have a memory of Rourke that goes further back than Sin City or Spun, or wherever you want to mark his comeback. I actually think he’s quite good. I don’t think he would work as Bruce Wayne. I certainly don’t think Nolan has a vision that jives very well with The Dark Knight Returns. Maybe Ridley Scott 20 years ago. That could have been awesome. I can’t think of a director working right now that I would want helming that property. I don’t mind an element of realism. I think Begins had a lot of realistic elements that worked really well. The difference, as I see it, is that its realism didn’t betray a level of contempt for the source material and the genre which I inferred, both from changes Nolan made to the tone of the second film in comparison to the first, and from memes the director seemed all too happy to push with regard to this being a film that transcends genres (to imply a necessity or intent to transcend something is inherently demeaning to that thing). As to the dude talking about things being worse (and Dent agreed with him, since it gave the Nolans an opportunity to put a platitude into the script) was that, much like mourasantos said, the first film ended with this concept of escalation being bandied about as a tease to how much worse things would become. Mourasantos was mentioning it in defense of the idea that the universe could continue to spiral out of the arena of the real and further into fantasy. My argument though, is that while they talk about things being so terrible in TDK, worse than ever, in fact, the actual events—and even the tone—of TDK do not match the dialogue. There are flashes of the intensity (most of it having more to do with Ledger’s performance) needed to warrant all of the morose language, but most of that generally peaks in the first act, and the stuff that’s supposed to make the city at large feel fearful of their personal safety tends to lack any visceral weight and comes off a bit hackneyed. In the end, things don’t seem all that bad. Not counting criminals, Joker kills what? A DA, a vigilante, a judge, and a few cops. And that’s what qualifies as escalation in Christopher Nolan’s Gotham City? I mean, just think about it for a minute: The League of Shadows probably killed at least that many people, and would have been indirectly responsible for a lot more deaths due to the nerve toxin riots and the Arkham escapees (and that’s the result of a failed plan!), yet this qualifies as escalation? Why? Because he has scars and wears make-up? The League of Shadows tried to literally poison the entire population and raze the city! I’m sorry, but no matter how compelling the performance, killing a judge, a DA, some cops, and a vigilante seems like a de-escalation to me.

  • Dec. 22, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST

    funwithwords

    by JDanielP

    My apologies if I come across as mean spirited. It's not my intention. I'm just of the opinion...that...you either can "see" it (successfully working in your mind's eye) or you don't. And I can (actually) understand your point-of-view, in feeling indifferent to such fantasy characters existing in a life-like style of cinema. (I'm sure there will plenty more experimentations in the genre, in years to come.) But, from my perspective, it's not that hard to make the leap. Or rather, it's not that difficult to "see" Nolan's style remaining consistent, even with the inclusion of Superman. It only has to be there in the script...with the inclusion of actors qualified to deliver them, in a style that mirrors real life. And all the while, remain true to each and every character.

  • Dec. 22, 2008, 2:29 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight and The Man of Steel offers greatness!

    by JDanielP

    Rather than see a direct interpretation of Frank Miller's THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, I'd like to see Nolan be open to pull from Batman's and Superman's combined moments in history (which would include a portion of Miller's work), as long as it does NOT sway from the consistency of Nolan's vision and style. If there...WAS...to be some kind of final confrontation between Batman and Superman, I'd still want to see Nolan's style remain intact. Sure, they'd look at "graphic novels" THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS and KINGDOM COME, to begin conceptualizing Bruce Wayne's war-suit that's built specifically for him to face Superman. And with Nolan interpreting such, I would imagine influences from movies like IRON MAN and TRANSFORMERS,...in the way the effects and designs are to seem more real. I have...NO DOUBT...that, as GREAT as THE DARK KNIGHT is,...Nolan's next Bat-flick could be much more. And from my perspective, the best hope of that...is by including Superman.

  • Dec. 22, 2008, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Certainly no offense taken by words said on a TB

    by funwithwords

    It’s not that it’s simply difficult for me to make a leap in my mind’s eye. Christopher Nolan (of whom a lot of people in here that are not me have a high opinion) has stated explicitly that there was no room for such characters in his films where there are, he says, no comic books or history of superheroes. No superheroes means no super powers. No super powers limits the realm to which a lot of characters could translate to screen in ways that would remotely resemble themselves. These are the rules of his universe. Not mine. I don’t necessarily agree with the rules, but one thing I know for sure is that Superman is not the Hulk. Or Iron Man. Or even Batman. You can’t have a movie about crime fighting take place in a world where Superman exists and not mention (or at least allude to) Superman in that film. You certainly can’t do it twice.

  • Dec. 22, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    I just think it's hard to imagine Lucius Fox

    by funwithwords

    designing a suit that can allow this Batman to keep pace with Superman (even a Superman who doesn't really want to fight). I also don't see this Bruce Wayne blocking out the sun. Or doing any of the serious dirty shit Batman in the comics is willing to do. He may be willing to pretend like he killed people, but there are some things this Bruce Wayne just doesn't have the stomach for.

  • Dec. 22, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    CONFIRMED: Hugh Grant playing villanous "Lord Teabagworthy"

    by modern_lovers

    don't drink that tea, Bruce! it's a poisonous brew made by Lord Teabagworthy! fetch the Bat-kettle!

  • Dec. 22, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Realistic. Fft.

    by Lord John Whorfin

    The fact that Superman can't exist in the Nolan Batverse pretty much sums up why I strongly dislike both of his Batman films.

  • Dec. 22, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Harry really is stupid

    by batzilla

    isn't he? The more I read his shit the more I realize just what a dumb ass he really is. I'm sure he is a nice guy and everything but MAN is he stupid.

  • Dec. 22, 2008, 10:45 p.m. CST

    funwithwords

    by mourasantos

    when you wrote about escalation, were you replying to my post? By the way I don't think Chris Nolan is the be all and end all of movie directors--far from it. I just think that the Burton movies are overrated. In fact, --and I must be the only person on earth that thinks this--Batman Forever is my favourite of the previous four movies. Granted, Batman and Robin was an unforgivable, but I thought that Forever, with the exception of Kilmer as Bruce Wayne, was the closest the previous Batman movies got to the source material.

  • Dec. 23, 2008, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Superman CAN exist in the Nolan Batverse

    by JDanielP

    Despite what anyone else says, even Nolan himself,...I insist that Superman COULD fit right in.

  • Dec. 23, 2008, 1 a.m. CST

    The best non-comic book...

    by Lord John Whorfin

    Batman right now is the new animated Batman: Brave and the Bold. My Batman travels into outerspace and under the ocean. Your Batman wears eye makeup.

  • Dec. 23, 2008, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Look at it THIS way! - It is simply a more life-like STYLE!!!!

    by JDanielP

    To the bare bones, that's what we are talking about, here. It's simply a "style", which is more life-like, blending the superhero fantasy with life as we know it. And to maintain this style while including Superman, the actor's approach remains the same, assuming that the script supports this style. It really IS simple stuff. So,...here's to hoping that Chris Nolan not only makes the "3" best Batman movies of all-time, but that he ALSO makes the best Superman movie!

  • Dec. 23, 2008, 7:50 a.m. CST

    This next Bat-flick would be a dream project.

    by JDanielP

    "What's wrong with a phone call?", asks Mr. Fox. (heh,heh) My fantasy is of knocking on Warner Bros. door, letting it be known that if Nolan has had enough, I'd want to take his place. In my eyes, the next Bat-flick HAS to have Superman...and if Warner Bros. refused the inclusion of Superman (with Nolan's blessing, or not),...I'm not sure I'd WANT to "direct" the next Bat-flick, if I (personally) was in such a dream position. From my perspective, you follow THE DARK KNIGHT with a continuation of escalation. And the obvious answer is to include Superman. Otherwise, I'm not sure that I would WANT to make this next Bat-flick,...unless it was the beginning of a new series.

  • Dec. 23, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST

    JDanielP

    by funwithwords

    It’s not that what you’re describing is difficult to grasp. In the end, I suppose we simply have a difference of opinion. My opinion is supported by what I understand the trajectory of the films (not to mention the words of the filmmakers) represent with regards to the possibilities of the universe(s) in which this Batman exists. It seems fairly clear to me that Nolan and Co. made a conscious decision to jettison a lot of the more fantastic elements of the first film (which was fairly subtle in its approach to the unreal) in favor of what some (though not myself) call a more bare bones approach. The fantastic elements that remain (the most apparent of them being lamest and most useless aspect of the series so far) generally revolve around Batman gadgetry. Maybe we could count the organizational and planning prowess of the Joker as an element of the fantastic, but I don’t think it counts. At any rate, since the second film is actually less over the top than the first, the third film would have to do a very weird and overt change of trajectory in order to exist in a world that would accommodate even plausible (though silly-named) villains like Edward Nigma let alone a superpowered extraterrestrial who gets his strength from the (fictional) yellow sun. You on the other hand think it’s simply a case of how it’s handled. That as long as you handle it in the way you’ve handled it previously, the universe will accept a concept entirely foreign to its construction. As long as it’s handled correctly, that is. I, on the other hand, consider this to be patently, ridiculously absurd. The universe in this film is not the DC universe. No such universe exists on film, yet. You can’t decide three films in that this is going to be the DC universe. It’s just a dumb idea. It wouldn’t work. People would hate it. Not just because it would suck, but because it would be an inherently and glaringly dishonest bit of storytelling. It would be a reveal to the audience that everybody in the world of this movie knew something pretty extraordinary but nobody ever mentioned it. That’s a lie of omission. And it’s one that shakes the established foundation on which the movies work. I’m amazed that people don’t know this. In the end, you can only be good at so many things. The filmmakers here made a conscious decision about what they wanted these films to be good at. A lot of people like these films in large part because of the decision the filmmakers made. Now you guys want to pretend that those decisions were never made. They’re the foundation of the entire universe! The thing about foundations is that everything is built on top of them. Everything built, relies on the foundation for stability. But the foundation can only support so much.

  • Dec. 23, 2008, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Maybe you're right...

    by funwithwords

    maybe there shouldn't be a third film. I've been pretty open about my feelings on the second film, but I still have a boyish desire for there to be another Batman film coming at the horizon, and I do not have high hopes for JLA. Still, I think what you and others are talking about with regard to what you want out of the next film reflects a weird paradox. The Dark Knight captured things in a way a lot of you wanted Batman to exist visually and even tonally, but that Batman was brought to life in a world that does not allow for the rest of what you want from Batman. You know these two things can coexist, so you're simply ignoring the established logic and replacing it with you know should be possible. Really though, it's like a square peg in a round hole. No matter how much you want it to work or know that it should work, it's never going to work. And forcing it only creates more problems.

  • Dec. 23, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST

    If only they'd give you a chance, right?

    by Lord John Whorfin

    JDanielP could be one of the greatest fantasy directors of all time, if only someone would give him a chance. Go knock on the WB's door, and remember to take those VHS videos you made with your nephews and your Batman fan fiction. And maybe call up Howie Long and tell him to meet you there, you have the role of a lifetime for him!

  • Dec. 23, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Lord John Whorfin

    by JDanielP

    Finally, you're on my side! :-D

  • Dec. 24, 2008, 2:22 a.m. CST

    Begin where TDK left off...and include Routh as Superman.

    by JDanielP

    But have no other connection to SUPERMAN RETURNS...because the tone is different. Even so, Brandon Routh should return as Clark Kent/Superman. That's my opinion.

  • Dec. 24, 2008, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Michael Emerson (Ben from LOST) as the Riddler

    by El Mamerro

    You know this.

  • Dec. 24, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Damn, Rourke WOULD be better than Clint Eastwood.

    by Royston Lodge

    I used to say Clint Eastwood in The Dark Knight Returns, but Rourke would be a better choice. Eastwood is too instantly recognizable as "Clint Eastwood". He can't be anything but himself. But Rourke has undergone such a radical transformation that he could slip into a 60-year-old Bruce Wayne with ease. I'd still love to see Ellen Page as future-Robin. I dunno who could play a really old Joker. How many elderly acting masters are thin enough to bring that singular character to the big screen? And what about old Selena Kyle? Which actress can pull off an over-the-hill super villain turned madame/pimp?

  • Dec. 24, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Oh, and John Hamm as a DKR Superman.

    by Royston Lodge

    That should go without saying.

  • Dec. 24, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Brandon Routh is wrong for a Batverse Superman

    by Royston Lodge

    Superman in the Batverse should be more like the 1950's, super squeaky clean Superman, as a contrast to the dark and moody Batman. I say John Hamm is the only choice.

  • Dec. 24, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    I second Michael Emerson as the Ridder.

    by Royston Lodge

    That would be gold (GOLD Jerry!). If they don't do Dark Knight Returns, I'd like to see Emerson as the Riddler and Xavier Bardem as The Joker. The storyline would revolve around how the Joker and the Ridder have incompatible psychoses, hate each other, and proceed to tear Gotham apart in their war against each other. Batman's dilemma is that he can't be in two places at the same time, and the two villains keep using him as a pawn in their own plans. If he goes after the Joker, he helps the Ridder. If he goes after the Riddler, he helps the Joker. He has to set up some sort of trap to get them both, but they're both way too smart to fall for something like that. The Ridder should be written like a villain from Se7en, or The Bone Collector, or even Saw. His pathology is that he's incapable of lying (due to severe beatings from his father when he was a kid whenever he told a lie), so he creates the riddles as a way to tell the truth without giving himself away. The Joker is just chaos and malevolence personified, which is antithetical to the Riddler's devotion to 'truth' and order. But still, I'd rather see The Dark Knight Returns.

  • Dec. 24, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST

    No need for a Riddler costume either...

    by Royston Lodge

    Just keep Mr. Reese working for Wayne Enterprises, leave the Ridder unseen for most of the flick (except maybe in silouette), and have Bats piece together the guy's identity over the course of the two hours. Keep the audience guessing. Maybe "Mr. Reese" is just a red herring? Maybe Bats only thinks "Mr. Reese" is significant, when really he's just an accountant after all. Cat and mouse. Or rather, bat and mouse.

  • Dec. 24, 2008, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Would there be a need for a name change?

    by funwithwords

    Because my argument against the Riddler in this universe (besides the automatic comparisons his performance would fairly or unfairly receive to Ledger's) is the fact that he has a comic book name. E. Nigma simply doesn't work in this universe.

  • Dec. 24, 2008, 9:11 p.m. CST

    The Riddler has also been known as "Edward Nashton".

    by Johnny Smith

    That could work.

  • Dec. 25, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST

    JDanielP

    by one9deuce

    I think that the WB should give you a shot at directing a Batman and Superman feature film. The main reason I think you should get the chance is because you have never done anything. Ever. <p> I mean, why WOULDN'T they hand over a billion dollar franchise to you?!

  • Dec. 27, 2008, 6:38 a.m. CST

    How come no one has mentioned Bane???

    by fartkiller

    probably cause... 1) not many people like him in the first place 2)he can be seen as having super powers and 3) Schumaker a trail of dog ish in his batcrap wake and Bane is one of the unfortunate kernels of corn left in the skidmark. To that, I say this. I think Nolan can bring some real world-ness to Bane by keeping to real science. Give Bane his backstory, then give him the real world insanity of some roiding maniac who has nothing better to do than to take Batman out since he's on the run. Have all the people Batman has pissed off due to his antics hire maniacs like Bane, maybe even bring back Zsasz as well as other believeable thugs to "Break" the Batman slowly. Have them hired by the "Penguin" (Phil S. Hoffman?) The Hunt for Batman, (Batman: Knightfall? maybe? or somehting along those lines)

  • Dec. 27, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Robert Downey Jr as Don Cheadle

    by WavingFlagsInSpace

    You know it makes sense...

  • Dec. 29, 2008, 10:18 p.m. CST

    who should be in batman 3

    by highlander2sucks

    ok here's my thought on the next batman film. I think it should be a continuation of the story between joker and batman. the only actor that i think could pull off an at least near equal if not same performance as the joker could probably be johnny depp. now here me out. he can play crazy, evil, and manipulative. now look at his role in once upon a time in mexico. his character just tuned up, add clown makup, and a little more menacing and psycotic would possibly be a dead ringer to ledger's joker. yeah throw in catwoman to joker's sceam and maybe this film could show a more triumphant story of batman. i mean the last film in the story was pretty much the empire strikes back to batman's story. so yeah bring it in with an actually good conclusion.

  • Dec. 10, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST

    just stretching my legs

    by Six Demon Bag

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Hey, put those legs back!

    by orcus

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