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Skippyjip Raves About Will Ferrell’s Broadway Show YOU’RE WELCOME, AMERICA: A FINAL NIGHT WITH GEORGE W. BUSH!!
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“Skippyjip,” who says he is not a huge fan of Will Ferrell’s, calls a rehearsal version of Ferrell’s upcoming stage show about George W. Bush “well-crafted,” “smart” and “very, very funny.”
Co-written by Ferrell and his “SNL”/“Anchorman” collaborator Adam McKay, it opens Jan. 20 and closes March 15. HBO will telecast it live, likely on or near closing night.
I love that they’ve already got a guy throwing shoes from the audience!
Hey Harry,
Long time reader, but this is my first scoop/review.
I just saw a staged reading of an early version of Will Ferrell’s new one man Broadway Show “You’re Welcome America: A Final Night With George W. Bush.” The show opens at the Court Theatre on Inauguration Day, and tonight was a sort of test “screening” of Ferrell’s material (about an hour and a half of it, all told). He’s in character, as Dubya, from minute one. There’s some audience interaction, but everything is very scripted. This show was presented by Funnyordie.com, and the (small) cast was a veritable who’s who of Funnyordie and UCB favorites, with Owen Burke reading stage directions, Seth Morris as a secret service agent with a deep-seeded love of The Dance, and Chad Carter as a shoe throwing audience plant.
Whether The Agent will remain a part of the Broadway production is anyone’s guess. I wouldn’t be surprised (or disappointed) to see a full chorus of Dancing Secret Service agents keeping the audience entertained while Dubya dons a flight jacket or loses his grey suit in favor of jeans and a cowboy hat. That being said, I think they would be remiss not to include Seth Morris among said Agents. He’s too funny to be relegated to the Internet and UCB’s Harold shows. Give the man some screen time, or at least a meaty Broadway contract.
Obviously Owen Burke will not be needed to describe “George Duyba being lowered by a helicopter onto the stage” once they’re… y’know… on an actual stage with an actual helicopter, and I’m pretty sure Carter’s shoe-thrower was an impromptu add-in just for tonight. It went over huge, but the event won’t be topical come January 20th. And if this show’s apparent thesis holds water (that Americans have short attention spans and are altogether too forgiving of our leaders’ malpractice), we will have long since forgotten the shoe-hurling Iraqi Journalist and his fate (still TBD). But if Will Ferrell has any say in things, we’ll never forget the man who was the shoe’s intended target. Nor will we forget his historic blunders and incalculable missteps.
I’m not going to give away too much of the funny, but since what I saw was a working version and is likely to change dramatically, it wouldn’t matter anyway. In the show, Ferrell’s Bush stumbles through the telling of his childhood adventures, his collegiate misdeeds, his Gubernatorial days in Texas and on through the 2000 election debacle, September 11th, the subsequent coercion of the press and congress, and the consequent invasion of Iraq… oh, we get a small smattering of Hurricane Katrina to boot. Does is sound like a fairly comprehensive history of our 43rd commander in chief? It is. Does it sound like a scathing portrayal of a sitting US President? It is. More so than I would have expected from the relatively non-controversial Mr. Ferrell. Fact and fiction are blended together generously, but Ferrell does an expert job of winking away the fiction, and letting facts land with painful resonance. The kind of resonance that makes you feel a little ashamed for not noticing anything earlier. Or worse: for noticing and looking away.
Let me say, at this juncture, something that will no doubt open me up to ridicule and dismissal amidst the talkbackers (if you use this): I am not a big Will Ferrell fan. I used to be, kinda, or at least allowed myself to be dragged along for the ride. As America embraced Will Ferrell, I had a sneaking suspicion that we were being tricked. He was the funniest part of SNL for several rocky, rocky years in the show’s history, but was never enough to actually keep me tuned in weekly. I dug him in Old School, where he was used sparingly, and admittedly fell for Anchorman upon my first viewing. Then I got sick of that character. You know the one: the “way less important or talented than he believes himself to be guy who talks very loudly” character. The one he ALWAYS plays. And by the time Step Brothers came out, I found myself thinking “I don’t want to go see Will Ferrell come up with the funniest combination of words he can think of and then yell them… Again. I’ve seen that before.”
But that’s not what this was. This was thought out. It was deliberate, well crafted, and smart. It was also very, very funny. And even though it’s not all that different from what we’ve seen Will Ferrell do, it was an outright treat. Will Ferrell’s Dubya is so good because Dubya is a lot like those other characters. He has the same smug arrogance peppered with utter stupidity that Ron Burgundy or Ricky Bobby has. What Will Ferrell can do, because he’s Will Ferrell, is to bring those alarming comparisons into strict focus, and (more importantly) to that remind us that WE LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT ALL. We made Ricky Bobby our president. We elected Ron Burgundy for a second term. Ferrell doesn’t want you to spend an hour and a half laughing at “strategery” or “miss-underestimate.” He doesn’t even want you to spend the full hour and a half laughing. He actually wants you in there thinking. Thinking about what we allowed one man and his administration to do to our country and the world. It’s a sophisticated show that will only become more so as it continues to develop in the month to come.
My hat is off to you, Mr. Ferrell. I may have been tricked, but I’ve also been suitably impressed.
Long time reader, but this is my first scoop/review.
I just saw a staged reading of an early version of Will Ferrell’s new one man Broadway Show “You’re Welcome America: A Final Night With George W. Bush.” The show opens at the Court Theatre on Inauguration Day, and tonight was a sort of test “screening” of Ferrell’s material (about an hour and a half of it, all told). He’s in character, as Dubya, from minute one. There’s some audience interaction, but everything is very scripted. This show was presented by Funnyordie.com, and the (small) cast was a veritable who’s who of Funnyordie and UCB favorites, with Owen Burke reading stage directions, Seth Morris as a secret service agent with a deep-seeded love of The Dance, and Chad Carter as a shoe throwing audience plant.
Whether The Agent will remain a part of the Broadway production is anyone’s guess. I wouldn’t be surprised (or disappointed) to see a full chorus of Dancing Secret Service agents keeping the audience entertained while Dubya dons a flight jacket or loses his grey suit in favor of jeans and a cowboy hat. That being said, I think they would be remiss not to include Seth Morris among said Agents. He’s too funny to be relegated to the Internet and UCB’s Harold shows. Give the man some screen time, or at least a meaty Broadway contract.
Obviously Owen Burke will not be needed to describe “George Duyba being lowered by a helicopter onto the stage” once they’re… y’know… on an actual stage with an actual helicopter, and I’m pretty sure Carter’s shoe-thrower was an impromptu add-in just for tonight. It went over huge, but the event won’t be topical come January 20th. And if this show’s apparent thesis holds water (that Americans have short attention spans and are altogether too forgiving of our leaders’ malpractice), we will have long since forgotten the shoe-hurling Iraqi Journalist and his fate (still TBD). But if Will Ferrell has any say in things, we’ll never forget the man who was the shoe’s intended target. Nor will we forget his historic blunders and incalculable missteps.
I’m not going to give away too much of the funny, but since what I saw was a working version and is likely to change dramatically, it wouldn’t matter anyway. In the show, Ferrell’s Bush stumbles through the telling of his childhood adventures, his collegiate misdeeds, his Gubernatorial days in Texas and on through the 2000 election debacle, September 11th, the subsequent coercion of the press and congress, and the consequent invasion of Iraq… oh, we get a small smattering of Hurricane Katrina to boot. Does is sound like a fairly comprehensive history of our 43rd commander in chief? It is. Does it sound like a scathing portrayal of a sitting US President? It is. More so than I would have expected from the relatively non-controversial Mr. Ferrell. Fact and fiction are blended together generously, but Ferrell does an expert job of winking away the fiction, and letting facts land with painful resonance. The kind of resonance that makes you feel a little ashamed for not noticing anything earlier. Or worse: for noticing and looking away.
Let me say, at this juncture, something that will no doubt open me up to ridicule and dismissal amidst the talkbackers (if you use this): I am not a big Will Ferrell fan. I used to be, kinda, or at least allowed myself to be dragged along for the ride. As America embraced Will Ferrell, I had a sneaking suspicion that we were being tricked. He was the funniest part of SNL for several rocky, rocky years in the show’s history, but was never enough to actually keep me tuned in weekly. I dug him in Old School, where he was used sparingly, and admittedly fell for Anchorman upon my first viewing. Then I got sick of that character. You know the one: the “way less important or talented than he believes himself to be guy who talks very loudly” character. The one he ALWAYS plays. And by the time Step Brothers came out, I found myself thinking “I don’t want to go see Will Ferrell come up with the funniest combination of words he can think of and then yell them… Again. I’ve seen that before.”
But that’s not what this was. This was thought out. It was deliberate, well crafted, and smart. It was also very, very funny. And even though it’s not all that different from what we’ve seen Will Ferrell do, it was an outright treat. Will Ferrell’s Dubya is so good because Dubya is a lot like those other characters. He has the same smug arrogance peppered with utter stupidity that Ron Burgundy or Ricky Bobby has. What Will Ferrell can do, because he’s Will Ferrell, is to bring those alarming comparisons into strict focus, and (more importantly) to that remind us that WE LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT ALL. We made Ricky Bobby our president. We elected Ron Burgundy for a second term. Ferrell doesn’t want you to spend an hour and a half laughing at “strategery” or “miss-underestimate.” He doesn’t even want you to spend the full hour and a half laughing. He actually wants you in there thinking. Thinking about what we allowed one man and his administration to do to our country and the world. It’s a sophisticated show that will only become more so as it continues to develop in the month to come.
My hat is off to you, Mr. Ferrell. I may have been tricked, but I’ve also been suitably impressed.
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Can't wait to see this!
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Shoe Plant!
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Most of it is remarkably tedious and self-important.
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SOCK AND AWE!!!!!!!!
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that is all
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Thanks, Skippyjip. Sounds like a great show.
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His GWB is the best. I don't see this as political, just one last chance to capitalize on this perfect imitation.
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I need it. Please, more Jimmy MacElroy and Chazz Michael Michaels
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Really... are we really going to swallow tripe statements like "Thinking about what we allowed one man and his administration to do to our country and the world"? What a bunch of pansy assed tripe.
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Let's forget that his "historic blunders" and "incalculable missteps" kept your ungrateful ass from being blown to smithereens these past 8 years, and just concentrate on the simple fact that "Hey lets all make fun of Bush" is about the safest, most boring bull shit that you can do. No surprise Ferrel is involved. PS... Can anyone on this site write a review that clocks in somewhere under 5000 words? Just wondering.
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I just can't imagine anyone would be so unfailingly partisan as to say he's been even a passable, let alone good, president.
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Dec 16, 2008 2:47:15 PM CST
I love how Klytus got his answer from the poster right above him
by ninjarap
Bush is the one who made us hated by 90% of the world and put us in danger of being "blown to smithereens" in the first place.
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You're not funny. You're not talented. You're not unique. And W. impersonations are so 2004. Go the fuck away.
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Not unfailingly partisan to say that the Bush Presidency had huge hits and huge misses... all despite an enormously antagonistic media and deteriorating world situation. Difficult to truly take the measure now - give it 20 years and we'll see how bad/good the administration was.
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Pathetic dude... we have responsibility for LEADING the world, not following it. Leaders always have a target on their back. Try doing it sometime - you'll see how popular it makes you...
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Please deep-throat your exhaust pipe when you get home.
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As much as I hate Bush I think throwing a shoe at him is like throwing a shoe at America. We need to invade Iraq again.
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Dec 16, 2008 3:01:28 PM CST
HMMM. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS KILLED AND WORST FINANCIAL CRISIS
by bringingsexyback
since the Great Depression. Only a fucking brain dead moron needs 20 years to figure out Bush is a bona fide disaster.
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Hilarioso!!!!
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...that some guy threw shoes at him. If you think about it, it's the whole eight years in a nutshell.
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A bit much for people to whine about how the Media hated Bush and it was all their fault when the Republicans wanted to airbrush him from History in the Election.
If your own Party disowns you perhaps all the whining about "unfair" attacks in the face of record disapproval numbers all the while trying to spin some bullshit excuse about "History" bestowing some kind of magical decades later revisionism of on your Presidency and actions (like History did with Vietnam and Nixon) is simply clutching at straws. -
until the shit made an appearance on the fan.
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And Dubya is THE WORST PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY, and one of the top ten worst leaders in human history, period.
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Featuring Special Appearances By: Robert Duvall, Dean Cain, Jon Voight, Kid Rock, Big and Rich, and Shit On Fan.
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He let our countries WORST terrorist attack happen! It was on his watch, and HE HAD A FUCKING MEMO TELLING HIM WHEN AND WHERE IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN! You fucking neocons, all 5 of you still left on Earth, are fucking ridiculous. Go jerk off to a crucifix and leave the rest of us alone, okay? Stupid nazi fucks...
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We clearly need some more Shoe based metaphors in Political discourse.
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I like how every unhinged Bush hater says the exact same thing, notice how about 8 of them have all made a hilarious and timely reference to the shoe incident. Whichever moron said something about Bush putting us in danger of being blown up to begin with.. uh.. If I remember correctly the 911 hijackers moved to this country and began training years before Bush ever came to office. So how is that his fault again? And if I know history.. which I do.. clearly much better than that twat... Islamic militants have been waging war on the west for a thousand years. I guess they were doing it because they had a premonition that Bush would exist one day? Is that it? Go read a book or something, fuckwads. I like how Klytus accuses people who defend Bush of being partisan, all the while making an incredibly partisan statement himself. There's a huge contradiction hanging out of your ass there, chief. You liberal whiners can live in your bubble all you want, and I sincerely hope another terrorist doesn't fly a giant fucking plane through it again - but please notice how even your precious Obama has been forced to dial down the lib-ness a little after hearing a couple security briefs that Bush has been hearing every day for 8 years. Reality. It's the best cure for liberalism.
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But top ten worst leaders in world history?
Are you so desperate to be part of history that you have to say something so ridiculous. Embrace your irrelevance. I'm sure everybody else does. -
To paraphrase a certain film critic ...
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Because now we have a competent man running the show, not some dry drunk borderline illiterate retard jesus freak asshole with ties to Saudi Oil Families (you know, those guys who engineered the attacks?). I can't believe there are actually any neocons still left. Didn't you crumble into dust when a black man became president? Or are you all huddled around a photo of Hitler and a lithograph of Jesus, jacking each other off furiously?
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Maybe he, too, will ignore a detailed memo entitled "Osama Bin Laden Determined To Attack The United States" and go down as a great leader in the eyes of a slight few deadenders.
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You didn't hit the fucker.
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It's called borderline personality disorder and you have it in spades. Go take a lithium and cry yourself to sleep.
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Difference Is Obama might pay attention to "security briefs that Bush has been hearing every day for 8 years" like that one.
But we'll have to wait and see though luckily for Obama Bush has set the Bar as low as it can fucking get.
And as for Reality, the Reality is the Republicans and their NeoCon hangers on just got their asses handed to them by a totally unimpressed public and Bush's record disapproval numbers mean those desperate enough to still try and paint anyone who thinks Bush is a piss-poor President as "unhinged" merely highlights their own complete disconnection with anything resembling Reality.
Along with all those Republicans who recently found out that Elections and Reaility were the best cure for the disasterous NeoCons. Fucktardwadtwat. -
But the important question is: Did you get raped?
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Dec 16, 2008 3:36:34 PM CST
WAAAHHH WE DEMAND TO KNOW OBAMA'S INVOLVEMENT WITH BLAGOJEVICH W
by bringingsexyback
Obama is the new Teflon President. Something for you to suck on for the next 8 years.
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Uhhhh....has nothing to do with being a "Brilliant Scholar" smart-ass. It has to do with opening your fucking eyes and using your brain. I could show Palin's retar kid archive footage of Bush's Presidency without saying a word and ask "Good President....or bad President?" The kid would give me a fucking THUMBS DOWN!
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And I sneer at all you kids and your "topical" shoe based gags. You may now throw shoes at me.
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Hi, douchebags!
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Work it out people! We're through the looking glass here.
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Hahaha. Last time I let that little fucker type my posts about him.
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This year's Little Miss Ponzi
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Dec 16, 2008 3:44:17 PM CST
Bush "prevented" attacks on our soil, but not on others.
by iamnicksaicnsn
Just because we didn't get attacked again, doesn't mean other people didn't. The Republicans like to conveniently forget Spain and England. Not to mention that fact that they've killed plenty of our guys in Iraq and Afghanistan. The reason we haven't been attacked here is because they didn't have to attack us, we've been messing things up enough as it is. (which isn't to say that our men and women in the FBI and CIA and Homeland Security in general haven't been working hard, hopefully that have. I just feel that's attributable to the common sense they should have been implementing, not just anything Bush and his people did.)
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This is why I became jaded with politics. Clearly, neither the republicans nor the liberals are speaking the same language here, and yet they presume that the "facts" will prove who is right. When will someone (anyone?!) realize that liberals and republicans both make more of different "facts" and therefore live in different realities? If either perspective had room for all of the "facts," I would take a side, but in a country where 1.2 percent of the population accepts a theory-in-name-only interpretation of evolution (any version will be an improvement, but systems theory is best) we must acknowledge the universality of human nature that we conform our facts to our subjectivities, not the other way around. What that means is that until we recognize that our perspectives themselves are what is dividing us (and dividing us from reality), I won't hear anyone tell me what is "real," because what is "real" is that human beings construct their realities en masse. When someone comes along and cares more about the truth than feeling righteous or proud, I will listen to them. That said, Obama is a huge improvement, though liberals can be just as naive as anyone. Republican's are funny though. As a former conservative, the rigid view that the most important thing in the world is to be afraid of terrorists lacks so much context. Try focusing on the logistics of coordinating and cooperating in a massive social system, or the problem-solving it will require to create a global system of government: that's the long-term solution called "peace" anyhow.
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how unpredictable, how groundbreaking, how courageous! Oh wait, it's been done to death and can be done by sleepwalkers at this point. What a fucking waste.
Can't you fucking retards come up with anything even remotely different or interesting? Talk about flogging the shit out of a dead horse to feed the likeminded dipshits. I want ART, not repetitive political bullshit! -
They got intel about the Mumbai attacks and didn't do shit either. Now Indians want war with Pakistan. Expect rising curry prices.
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That's my favorite lost little nugget of the election season. Palin's daughter's belly gets bigger, bigger, biiiiger, then suddenly she's got "mono" for three months, disapears and when she comes back she has a little "brother", even though her mother never showed. I'm not saying it's true. I'm just saying the Palin's are white trash enough so that it could be true.
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Did you just self diagnose Pooter? Good show! Enjoy weeping now that the Fourth Reich is over. Don't worry though, you'll always have Rush Limbaugh to jerk off too whilst secretly fantasizing about Jesus' ripped abs and bloody diaper.
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The shoe-thrower got a broken arm and is facing a 2 year jail term. Had he actually HIT Dubya, I guess they'd hang him. While it was "disrespectful", at some level, he was expressing himself within HIS cultural context. In other words, you or I might just give Bush the finger or hurl an epithet or three. In his part of the world, throwing a shoe was perhaps a close equivalent. Neither action had much potential of actual physical injury. So while I can't completely condone the guy for the size 10 insult, some part of me wants to smile and wish him well in what's ahead. It also gave me a great line at a work meeting yesterday when the boss announced our idiot CEO was coming for a visit. I said "cool, I'll be wearing loafers that day!" Got a big laugh.....
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Did you miss the last election? You were ENDED in a MASSIVE LANDSLIDE victory brought to you by Obama, at great pain to McCorpse and his Nazi Milf Hillbilly Retard. Enjoy your pain, Nazis!
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2? 5? 1 posing as several different people?
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Bush the Village Idiot? or Bush the Evil Genius Conspirator?...1st and last time i write something politic related. I rather not talk to a liberal wall.
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Dec 16, 2008 4:01:42 PM CST
I'm Sure Palin's Retard Grandson Is The Result of Inbreeding
by laserpants
You know how those rednecks are -- don't matter if their rich, you can't take the inbred retard out of the hick. They were like a terrifying episode of The Beverly HIllbillies before they disappeared into the dustbin of history... EXACTLY as I said they would.
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Bush enters the "Masters" Prizefighting circuit. Dude was duckin' and weavin' like Sugar Ray. That shoe-heaving cunt didn't have a chance.
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You really show how full of rage some people on the right can be. Why are you people so angry?
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Dec 16, 2008 4:05:09 PM CST
W stands, wearing his cowboy hat over button down flight suit.
by kurutteru yatsu
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, Georgie boy.
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Dec 16, 2008 4:06:10 PM CST
It's Bush The Evil Village Idiot Led By Evil Genius Conspirators
by laserpants
He was Jar Jar Bush whilst Cheney / Rove were like a symbiotic version of the Emperor. That doesn't make him any less of an evil retard, since he was complicit in the whole thing, but clearly the man was far too much of a jackass to actually plan much. He just gleefully supported whatever plan they told him too and spouted the rhetoric ineptly.
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and then some! Bye now
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Seriously, all the libtard posts are filled with the requisite references to jacking off, incest, Nazis, etc. Who sounds angry (and negative and depressing and pathetic and immature)?
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my posts haven't been. So why the anger towards me? That's all I'm askin. I understand being angered by people who bait you with incest, Nazis, etc. but when you freak about someone saying Bush has been a bad president... That's someone who has some raw nerves.
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and I'm not referring to you sidestep. I'm using the more general "you" to refer to that other dude and people like that.
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The America FINALLY woke up and realized it didn't want to be run by a bunch of inbred Neo-Nazi Jesus-freak chronic masturbators anymore. You must feel very alone, being pushed back into the dank caves you oozed from in 2000.
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Wow, I do believe you summed up the entirety of the Bush Administration's reign of error. Consider the backlash a rhetorical "get-back", as it were. Its better, far better, than you and your ilk deserve.
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Is singlehandedly making me rethink my previous statements about people on the right being full of rage.
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I'm laughing as I type this. I suppose you could say "smugly superior", but full of rage? Nah.
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Dec 16, 2008 4:27:34 PM CST
I'm not saying people on the right aren't full of rage
by klytus_i.m_bored
I'm just saying that some on the left are too. My politics are so far left that I should probably be jailed but I find that calling people names and being insulting isn't the best way to win hearts and minds. But I also periodically listen to Hannity and Limbaugh when they have open phone lines. I find it amusing (and sometimes terrifying) to listen to Hannity and Limbaugh's listeners and the amount of rage they have. It never fails to puzzle me that the American middle and lower classes, who have continually been betrayed by their leaders (Repubs and Dems alike) continue to harp about how "free" they are and how they need to keep giving breaks to politicians and CEOs. It's amazing to watch a society with such a death-impulse. Is that it? Do these people, on some level, understand their powerlessness and their complicity in their own destruction? It makes sense that their frustration might bubble up as rage and fear of the "other" (gays, foreigners, evildoers, etc). It's really sad to see. I don't think America ever really had any promise but the death throes of a society are never pleasant to watch.
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Dec 16, 2008 4:30:06 PM CST
OBSD -- I like that little piece of magic too.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
So what do you ya' think-- some 18 year old kid fucked Sarah and blasted his seed in her cunt or what? All I know is one thing-- BRISTOL PALIN = IS FINE
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Dec 16, 2008 4:32:26 PM CST
the difference between RIGHT and LEFT rage....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
The RIGHT are about to break their fucking keyboard in half as they type. Please see COUGHLINS LAWS as an example. He had many a meltdown in front of us. It was tragic. The LEFT may get worked up. But when we start bagging on Palin's kids and shit we're laughing hysterically. Right Wingers don't laugh. When they were trashing Obama during the election they were filled with HATRED and FEAR. Us Lefties find this shit funny.
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I'm seething, someone throw some water on me!!!!!!!!!!
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Perhaps showing Bush the bottom of your shoe would have sufficed.
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Just wanted to share my misery with y'all.
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This may be off topic for this particular talkback...but I think that this Will Ferrell show sounds pretty funny and if I can score some tickets maybe I'll go see it. End of line.
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Yes, I see. That makes a lot of sense.
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...the worst financial situation since Jimmy Carter. I'm sick of hearing that Great Depression crap. Read a book. Carter had 14% inflation and an unemployment rate at 10% and above (about where European countries are usually, by the way unemployment wise). And let's not forget that it was years of falling standards for loans and mortgages which put us in this situation. Who was it that championed things like the "Community Reinvestment Act" that mandated loans and mortgages for people that couldn't afford them and then Freddie and Fannie "securitized" the bad debt? It wasn't Bush, in fact, the roots of this problem stretch all the way back to the creation of Freddie and Fannie in the first place in the late 1960s. But, of course, for the ignorant masses it's simpler to say "Bush's Fault!" Oh, and by the way, Ferrell's Bush is pretty funny. The SNL skit with Dana Carvey where he plays with the anters gets me every time.
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We can't lay all of the current financial crisis on Bush, any more than we could lay the late '70s financial crisis completely on Carter. The Nixon and Ford administrations had lots to do with that one, and the Clinton administration has its fair share of guilt to carry for the current situation. But Bush had eight years to whip things into the shape a supposed fiscal conservative could have. He preferred to invade a nation that posed no more than a tiny threat to the US and spend his political capital undermining the constitution that he swore to uphold, all to the result of even greater international hatred of the US and an American society sliding slowly towards fascism. Not totalitarian fascism, but an obvious political fascism - "if you're not with us, you're against us," as the man himself said. Bush Doctrine + suspension of habeas corpus + warrantless wiretaps + stop-loss troop retention = serious encroachment upon the free society. I find that far more compelling evidence than the fiscal crisis that Bush screwed the American pooch royally.
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absolutely fucking NOTHING to do with movies or movie news. AICN has jumped the shark.
Why am I here even writing this? This site has no scoops that you can't get any sooner at comingsoon. Hell, AICN, won't even write any reviews that may "disappoint" a movie studio. God forbid they don't get their free tickets from the studio lobbyists. -
Those terms will never apply to Ferrell material. Ever. Ever. He's like the annoying kid in 9th grade you always wanted to punch.
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goodfuckinbye sean hannity you pinheaded toxic inbred! hahahahaha!!!!!!! kiss my sweet versace pumps! lmfao!
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Anyone who actually believes that all of our problems are the fault of one man or one group are pure partisan bullshit artists. This country is not set up to allow one man that much power. You want to lay blame for the financial mess, try the Congress. Both parties of Congress.
I have never seen such a blinding hatred for one man in my entire life. You movie people have become consumed by this hatred to the exclusion of all else. Get over it and move on. BTW, I hope you ultra left-wingers never gain a majority of opinion because I actually like this country to be sovereign. I also like to see some national pride which will never happen if you haters get put in charge. The Democratic leadership is bad enough. Thank God you are a small minority. -
It cracks me up to hear all the hyper-partisans call the Bush administration fascist. As if any of you know what it truly means to live in those conditions. For one thing, you'd be in jail for posting what you did. BTW, I would rather take preemptive action against a country and be wrong that have done nothing and be wrong. Maybe you do not value your own life or that of anyone you know enough to care, but I do.
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IT is funny when it is meant to be a joke. It is not funny when it is meant to belittle the man.
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Dec 16, 2008 6:11:57 PM CST
"It is not funny when it is meant to belittle the man.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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Nobody likes me!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
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I prefer freedom to security. Stop being such a frightened child.
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I meant impersonation of Pres Bush. Of course being teased in good fun is one thing. To be made fun of out of malice is another thing altogether.
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And I prefer a little less freedom if it means I am more secure. It is not being a frightened child. Maybe when you are injured or it is someone you know that gets killed maybe you'll care. I prefer not to wait. Besides, what freedoms are you really giving up? The freedom to get where you are going a little faster? I'll take the wait over getting shot or blown up.
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I would live to stay and get ganged up on. I do so love political debates. But, I have a life away from the computer. You may go back to bashing Bush now.
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Dec 16, 2008 6:23:30 PM CST
at least Dubya turned a lot of people away from the republican p
by bmacsmith
i'm a fairly fiscal conservative guy, but i'll be goddamned if i ever vote for another republican again. what a fuckin cancer. goodbye.
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stay safe.
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I know exactly what fascism is. You, apparently, do not. Note I said Bush's fascism is not a totalitarian fascism. Fascism is NOT a system or form of government. It is a political mindset/philosophy. It grows from the Roman word "fascis," meaning a bundle of thin branches or twigs. A single twig could be broken. ANY single twig, no matter how strong, could be broken, as could small groups. As a bundled group, however, the fascis could withstand great force. The Romans used this as a symbol to demonstrate the power in numbers of their empire. However, the metaphor was badly flawed because of the great number of slaves in Roman society. (And, yes, I know that Roman slaves were not like American slaves of the 18th and 19th centuries. They still were slaves, with limited rights.) The Romans believe that limiting the freedoms of their citizens and underclasses strengthened their society. That's what has happened under Bush and his fascistic approach to protecting the American people. We lose not just minor rights, but massive, traditional, important rights such as habeas corpus and to some degree the right of free speech, all to serve Bush's agenda. While there have been assaults on the constitution throughout the history of the USA, none since the early 1800s has been as thorough and as cynical as that perpetrated by Bush - or, rather, Bush's handlers.
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i heard your neighbor bought a gun and plans to kill you with it. you better go attack him first, you know, just to be safe. who cares if he is innocent when you have vague and unsubstantiated threats to act on!
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Bush? Clinton? Who gives a fuck.
I have complaints against both. There are things I liked/disliked about Clinton, and things I liked/disliked about Bush.
But this absolutely vitriolic, sputtering hatred against a person or a political point of view is just plain childish.
Whoever is president is a man who I believe is trying most of the time to do the right thing. Did Clinton fail? Bush? Of course. This isn't a perfect world. Was Clinton corrupt to some degree? Bush to some degree? You bet.
But not accepting that reality, that all leaders are flawed, is the worse form of naiveté. Clinton did some great things. Bush did some great things.
If all you can do is hate, you are absolutely trapped in your own small hell, no matter how clever you think you are, no matter how effectively you think you zinged someone who disagrees with you.
We have a new president. Let's put away childish things, and move forward.
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That's a noble sentiment. I think left-leaning sorts will be happy to stop hating Bush as soon as conservatives stop hating Clinton. Or maybe when conservatives stop hating President Obama, as he's catching insanely heavy flak already and he's not even president. And now I'll shut up.
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Provided all is going well, historians and people will look back and one of the big historical mysteries will be "How was this guy allowed to be re-elected".
I think Ferrell's show is important a necessary reminder, that will need to sit in the back of people's minds, so come 2012 or 2016 someone like Sarah Palin is not elected, lessons are learnt.
I agree with the Bush defenders on one point its not just Bush, its the people of America who re-elected him. In the same way that the housing crisis is not just the greedy bankers, its the idiotic/impatient/selfish homebuyers who could only really afford a $200,000 house, but wanted and bought a $400,000 and now are expecting taxpayers to help them out. -
Thanks for your thoughts. Partisan hatred has to stop on a person by person basis. The more people who publicly choose not to hate, the sooner this worthless schism will collapse. Will conservatives stop hating Clinton first? Or liberals stop hating Bush first? I don’t know. But absolutely nothing gets accomplished through hatred. The election of Barack Obama is the best thing that's happened in America in decades. I hope we can do something really rare, something we haven't, unfortunately, done in a long, long time: Rally round.
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I think what you're doing here is called false equivalency and to put it in baser terms, it's a total crock of shit. Clinton was a horny but pretty damn good president. Bush is a fucking disaster of global fucking proportions. He is a biblical plague, an "earth-killer" meteor of ignorance and arrogance. Even the biggest idiots in the world (i.e., people who voted for him, he himself) know that now. But nice attempt at pretending that there's some good to go with the bad, that the poor guy is just hated-on and misunderstood. As I think the great Thomas Jefferson said, "Shut the fuck up".
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That's the vitriolic hatred I was talking about. That has to go away.
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I'm going downstairs to eat. Catch you in the morning.
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And Bush deserves every bit of it. Sorry to bother your utopia with reality.
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Dec 16, 2008 7:00:37 PM CST
glad to finally see fiscal conservatives smarten up....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....and say FUCK YOU to the right wing. I do thank W. for being part of that wave.
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is apparently being tortured now. Great. He did what OUR media should have done years ago instead of passively following along. Compare what Obama is inheriting to what Bush inherited back in January 2001. Holy FUCK!
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I meant "shoe"
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have a president who keeps the peace and the economy strong and fucks everything that moves than this piece of shit who currently resides in the White House.
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That come on here now and try to be all centrist and reasonable, because they know what a disaster their man was and now fall back on the old cliche "all presidents are really the same"..."none of them ever really do any good"... It's all meant to mitigate their terrible fucking choice and the incalculable damage he's done to this country. Well, I'm sorry, I'm not buying it. Just admit that you made a big fucking mistake. And THEN I'll listen to whatever you have to say, okay? First I have to know you are in touch with reality.
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My brother-in-law said something about he'd rather give up some freedoms for staying safe. Are you shitting me??? ARE YOU SHITTING ME? No, I don't mind taking longer to get on a plane - but. that's. not. a. "freedom." Jesus. Did you know that there's currently a lawmaker who wants to BAN anonymous blogging? Yep. Would you give that up for freedom? Fuck that. How many people died preserving what we have now? I'm very liberal but amazingly I'm not for "big" government. The last thing I want is the government probing into my life. No. Fuck no. That's not what we created this country for. Read for Dec. of Ind. sometime.
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It IS pretty tough to decide though. Bush Vs Clinton ? Tax the wisdom of Solomon that would.
Blow Job or Disasterous Foreign Policy with two intractable Wars and a smashed Economy.... Hmmmmm.... tricky.
A real fucking mindbender of a puzzle and quandry that one. Though of course ONLY if you are as "challenged" as Bush, his Loyal supporters and the Neocons that is. -
Perfect.
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Oh really? Facts?
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Thanks for all those facts and numbers.
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Good facts. First, 1980. It's 2007 and we're in a fucking mess. I compared what Bush went into to what Obama's got. Nothing to do with 1980 and I really doubt anycares about 1980 anymore. As for Frank, yea, he did say that, but again, he wasn't the president, you know, the "decision maker."
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He's getting his economic news from September issues of The Weekly Standard. He refuses to come out of his bubble of denial. Pretty ironic, and funny, that he made use of the word "educate", though.
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Wakey wakey Morbid. This is way WAAAAY beyond some fruity right wing conspiracy theory about Fanny & Freddie.
It's a CREDIT CRUNCH. It's GLOBAL. The ever deepening Recession might even take out most, if not all, of the US motor manufacturing base and the Job losses for last month were over HALF A MILLION, 533,000, the worst in 30 years. The Fed just cut Interest Rates to VIRTUALLY ZERO. Completely unprecedented. This cataclysmic Economic clusterfuck is truly Historic. Period.
Fannie and Feddie were one of the Early Dominoes NOT the fucking reason for a housing Bubble THEN a Credit Bubble not "bursting" but exploding like a Nuclear Bomb, forcing Bush to Nationalize the Banks & Instituitions like AIG that were falling like flies. The same Banks & Institutions who made a fortune with the Credit Default Swaps and Collateralised Debt Obligations and other almost worthless poisoned securities that sparked the whole mess off and has now saddled Taxpayer with the $700 BILLION Bail out just for starters.
Would you like me to repost yet a-fucking-gain how Fannie and Freddy were a marginal at best force in this whole Cataclysm ? I could repost the multi-BILLION profits and bonuses of the Sachs and Lehman Brothers and all the rest if that helps too ? -
That's good shit. Yea, i know who he is (hey, he's GAY! oh my god!) and he's a mean SOB. But you are right, I did get off topic, back to the genius of Will Ferrel (actually we're watching ELF now - classic!!!)
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how could you NOT bring up Bush's legacy on a topic like this?
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I think the issue is that he's gay? really? um no. You challenged me in that I didn't know who he was. I know all that shit. I'm not worried about Barney Frank. Interesting how you steered this topic from Bush to Frank. Nice trick - I'll give you a B+ on that one. Try again.
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In August 2007, Secretary Paulson explained that U.S. subprime mortgage fallout remained largely contained due to the strongest global economy in decades.
On July 20, 2008, after the failure of Indymac Bank, Paulson reassured the public by saying, “it's a safe banking system, a sound banking system. Our regulators are on top of it. This is a very manageable situation.”
On August 10, 2008, Secretary Paulson told NBC’s Meet the Press that he had no plans to inject any capital into Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. On September 7, 2008, both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac went into conservatorship.
On December 9, 2008 Paulson during a conference call said that there will be a martial law if bailout plan was rejected.
And this is the Treasury Secretary (slightly more power than Barny Franks) that Economic "Genius" Bush appointed in 2006 who was... the CEO of Goldman Sachs !
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Shit I didnt see that one, he doesnt look like the type that would get a lot of of pussy, but he doesnt look like a cock smoker either.
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C- on that one.
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Yea, he's gay. I know what you mean - doesn't seem like it. But he was very open about it.
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I'd rather have a beer with Barney Frank.
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Dec 16, 2008 8:10:14 PM CST
I'm an idiot because.. you say so ? Fucking weak even for you Mo
by g100
You were the idiot trying to pin this whole Catastrophe on Barney fucking Franks and Fannie and Freddie you dimwitted waste of space.
Either tell us how Fannie and Freddie WEREN'T just one of the early Dominoes or shut the fuck up braniac.
Bear Sterns ? AIG ? Lehman Brothers ? IndyMac ? Washington Mutual ? None of this ringing any bells ?
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WAS: "Bush will be vindicated by history!"
IS NOW: "Bush criticism is so played out!"
WILL BE: "Who cares? He's no longer President anymore anyway!"
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I'm not a Bush supporter never was a Bush supporter and never voted for him.
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It sounds like it's more personal for you? Just trying to understand.
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Obama is a coke head on the wagon? All that aside, you cannot have a civil political arguement in a movie news forum...not enough informed people to carry a conversation intelligently.
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I agree. let's instead discuss the themes of "Old School," while we sip Sam Adam's Triple Bock (stuffy English Accent)
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I was thinking of the dimbulbs at the top of the TB...I've been noticing this strategy to minimalize Bush's impact in recent days.
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wasn't being a smartass to you. Just being a smartass.
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You lost me. Seriously. I don't know what your point is anymore. And enough with the "read up on current events" crap. You are all over the map on this one.
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I'm simply outlining the "next step" that many of the aforementioned right wing and Bush apologists have taken by completely disowning the man now he's as popular as Herpes.
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the grand scheme? I'm sure many people would argue that 4 THOUSAND dollars actually is a lot of money.
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I'm not lost, but your point was lost about 10 posts ago.
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I actually made money. When the Dow hit 7,800 I started investing heavily. One particular stock went up about 23% in one day alone last week. This is what happens when you don't use Morbid's adviser.
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What's your advice Morbid?
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That would've been a well-deserved ROI.
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Unless losing money is your goal, I'd stay away from his investment strategy.
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Who?
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but Madoff's victims were all Jews.
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Morbid has a way with the English language.
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(crickets)
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Repugs love the strawman.
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Try asking him about his "Alaskan cruise in all of October and most of November".
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what's up with that?
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or watching You Don't Mess With The Zohan again.
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What's with the "jews" and "bots" remarks? I missed something.
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Dec 16, 2008 8:56:43 PM CST
ACCORDING TO MORBID HE WENT AWAY ON AN ALASKAN CRUISE
by bringingsexyback
in October and November, explaining his absence from the fiery political talkbacks. But he was caught in a lie when he admitted to reading some of my posts while he was supposedly away and without Net access.
Therefore his statements about his personal life (which he seems fond of putting out) need to be regarded with strong skepticism, at the least. -
You like that one Morb? hee
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The Net is just soooooooooooo factual. Any search can lead you to any right or left-wing blog. Yep.
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Not that I'd be bothered to give them anyway. One can get Internet access on a cruise ship but when you lost $4K in the stock market, I understand it's hard to pony up $2 a minute to talk to your favorite talkbacker. That being me.
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Oh come on. That's chump change. I wipe my ass with $100 bills.
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Dec 16, 2008 9:12:49 PM CST
THE NET IS A SOURCE OF GREAT INFORMATION, UNLESS YOU'RE MORBID
by bringingsexyback
and you get your "facts" from The Weekly Standard and Newsmax.
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oh please. A quick visit to Circuit City and I could have a new Sony 60 inch plasma, sound system, and change to buy a steak dinner at Outback.
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Good job Yubnub - and stay away from Morbid's advice. To get rich is glorious!
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you had me at D+
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well shit. You should have told me that in the first place. And kudos for a fun conversation.
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is the Bush-bashing thing by the same people in the same way over and fucking over again is boring the piss outta me. It's like the guys getting hit in the nuts on the Funniest Videos show, the shit has a definite shelf life, you know? But to the dipshits it just never gets old. It's just too easy!
It's right up there with yet another mindless, unnecessary remake of a perfectly good movie or the endless mailed-in sequels just just to turn a quick buck. It's artists being chickenshit. -
Well, the difference is that in AFHV we didn't lose 4000 lives, 25,000 plus wounded, and (at a minimum) 100,000 Iraqi (up to 500,000) dead. Yea, slight difference there.
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America? meet sidestepper.
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Is that something shiny? oh wait.. it's American Idol!
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so true so true
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I voted Palpatine!
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i heard your neighbor bought a gun and plans to kill you with it. you better go attack him first, you know, just to be safe. who cares if he is innocent when you have vague and unsubstantiated threats to act on!
This was directed at me and I gotta say a gross miss-characterization of what I was saying. There was cause to act. Just because the guy was lying about his capabilities doesn't change the fact that there was cause. Sure when you look back on it now after all these years it was wrong. But at the time, I say you have to act rather than take a wait-and-see approach and pray that the guy who wants to eradicate you is just blowing smoke.
Look, I am no Bush fan. I just know that all of our issues are not on his shoulders alone. I just want us to do all the right things for the right reasons. The difference between me and lot of people who post here is that in a nutshell. I want the U.S. to be right and just whereas a lot of you take a perverse pleasure in us being wrong. You may not think you do, you might not even want to, but that's what it is. -
I'm sure he should be in here pissing and moaning like he was in the other talk back. What an idiot.
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You sir - are 100% freaking correct. Way to be one of the few voices of sanity and reason.
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Cute name... must be your favorite drink.
It's no fun debating pasty faced liberal fembots such as Danny Glovers Dick Blood. They immediately get angry and/or make personal attacks. Never confuse a liberal with reason - it's all emotion and 'why don't they like us' crap.
C'mon Danny Glovers Dick Blood - let's hear some more of your frighteningly devastating wit. Gonna make fun of Sarah Palin's kid again? Wow... and to think, liberals like him believe in Hate Crimes... -
...to draw attention to itself. Every talkback. Every time. Still not funny.
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that's just the turth
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Course some people are bound to draw their own conclusions from the laughable transparency of some of those posting here, but never mind.
Just keep denying it! There never was a Republican called Bush. And you certainly never supported him or are defending him here.
I mean the public totally bought that and it worked so well for John Mc... Ahhhhh... Well, there's always Palin. It's not as if the Public will think she's yet another Republican dimwit exactly like Bu... Ahhhhh... Well there must be a Plan "C" somewhere... Romney! That's it! His magical undergarments shall save the Republican Party in it's hour of darkness. Problem solved. -
After the debacle of Afghanistan and Iraq, after the horror of the aftermath of Katrina, after the complete dismantling of environmental protections so all his cronies can make more money, after the deregulation of everything so that Wall Street and the auto industry are in the toilet, after record unemployment - there are STILL people who honestly think this moron was a good president?! I fear for this country - there might be enough stupid people in it to be suckered in by Bush-in-lipstick Sarah Palin or "Our Exotic Guy!" Bobby Jindal in 2012. I thought we'd earned the upcoming respite - obviously not.
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Wait a minute. Are you seriously making fun of my name? Oh grow up. Twat.
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Dec 17, 2008 1:25:03 AM CST
Everyone watch out for Arioch55-- he's a nasty one!
by dannyglovers_dickblood
He'll make fun of your handle, and/or the color of your hair, and the fact that your family can't afford to buy you new school shoes every year.
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Rand92: "Look, I am no Bush fan" = "Look, I'm a shameless Bush defender, but now I have to sort of disguise it with this false disclaimer so you don't just laugh me off the talkback before I can say anything." "Besides, maybe if I can fool you into thinking I'm an unbiased fair-minded independent, you'll believe the complete horseshit that I'm shoveling like Rush Limbaugh". Yes, that's right, I speak fluent Douchebag.
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..for making it all the more easier for Obama to win the election. His only good "deed" was being the perfect catalyst which led to the Republican downfall.Thanx Dumya, and if the shoe fits...
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Well as long as Will Ferrell keeps it respectful and is genuine with his praise as well as honest about trouble the administration has had it should be okay. If it is just an attempt to belittle the exiting Commander in Chief it would be unfunny and in incredribly bad taste.
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Dec 17, 2008 6:20:32 AM CST
SIR LOIN STATES THE OBVIOUS (AGAIN) AND IS NOT AMUSED BY ME
by bringingsexyback
A smarter person would have learned to ignore me by now - CAPSLOCK NOTWITHSTANDING.
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I think this is one of the more hilarious rhetorical aftereffects of the Right Wing Repugnicon IMPLOSION. I know a few Nazi Jesus Freaks who suddenly took an about face after Obama's LANDSLIDE victory over McCorpse and the Nazi MILF Hillbilly Jesus Freak and are now pretending, unconvincingly, to be the progressive cutting edge ones. HILARIOUS. Nobody is buying it, accept, perhaps, your local Witch Doctor or Arms Dealer.
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Thanks for validating my post. No reason, just personal attacks. I think I was just the victim of a hate crime...
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...high minded debate on some fat guy's movie review board? Wait, maybe I should start a thread about whether Robin should be in the next Batman flick... sheesh. Yeah, you guys have it all figured out...
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I'm actually a divine right monarchist - swine like DGDB don't deserve a vote. Go ahead, make another rape joke... that's funny right? Swine...
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YAY fuck haters
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...will go down in history as an internet douche. hes name would be one of those examples u see in wikipedia. but seriously lets but hes name into practice, lets ask danny glover if he ever done the gritty
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Don't the Democrats control both houses of congress? I've never seen such a bunch of sore winners and hateful victors in my life. Seriously. Bush is out. The Republicans are out. Conservatives are way, way out, as many of the remaining Republicans are RINOs. All the "terrible" things Bush did are going to get "fixed".What's the problem?
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Is just silly. Up, did you see Obama? And how effectively he campaigned? Did you see McNugget? And how he campaigned . . . ? Ever read history?One party rarely holds onto the Whitehouse for more than 8 years, even more rarely that one party holds the Whitehouse for more than 12. One party hasn't held the Whitehouse for 16 years since Roosevelt.It's like a playground. It'll be the Democrats turn in the Oval Office swingset for the next 8 years, possibly twelve, and--if hell freezes over--maybe 16. Then the Republicans will be back in charge again. In the interim, they will almost certainly gain seats in the house and senate and may end up controlling one or both houses, as that tends to be what happens--the opposing party gains seats in midterms. 16 years of Democrats in the Whitehouse would probably lead to the most Republican Senate and House the country has seen since the days of Reconstruction.But credit where credit is due. Obama was the catalyst for Obama winning the presidency. I swear, liberals always want to hold somebody else responsible than the person who actually is, even when their guy wins!
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There is no need to Bring Sexy Back. Sexy never left. Ever.
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If McCain had won the Republicans would have been gloating and saying bullshit such as, "If you don't like it, move out of the country."
But now that the shoe is on the other foot, it's supposedly bad when the Democrats do the same thing.
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You are the #2 most hated TB'er on this website, after Memories of Murder. You're very funny. And I'm looking forward to this weekend. I get to take my kid to the movies!! Haven't had a weekend in a few months. Thanks for the support!
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Is that you buddy? I'm pretty sure it is because he was really good at putting words in my mouth too. Show me the post where I made one rape joke. Lying fuck. The only joke I made was about Palin's retard kid. That's what happens when your daughter fucks her brother and gets impregnated before he gets sent off to die a coward's death in Iraq-- electrocuted while he takes a shit. Sorry. Thats the facts.
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that had its tailgate covered in those letter stickers that you use on boats - you know the ones? Anyway, this guy had spelled out the following: "Real Change: Palin 2012." That's when I gave up on America. If even one piece of shit like that exists, then I think the game is lost.
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That's what happens when you post in all caps. Hey Morbid, you want a stock tip? One that won't lose money for a change?
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Oh fuck off. Yeah I have a little journal here where I keep track of TB'ers reputation. No....I just remember the numerous comments going around like "Yeah, this asshole is annoying-- but he's nothing compared that fucking cunt MorbidObesity." You're dull and uninspiring. And let me ask this-- how fucking pathetic are you for remembering that bullshit divorce story in great detail, I said ONE TIME about 10 months ago? You = FUCKING PATHETIC. Get a life dude.
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A life confined to a Rascal begins to eat away at you eventually.
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And dull and uninspiring certains fits his bill. MorbidBanality.
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Good luck on the Hit Fix launch. May the God of Fortune smile on your site. You need to smile more on camera though. And drop Danny's name next time.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/28269860#28269860
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Dec 17, 2008 10:47:53 AM CST
"He actually believes he's talking to Danny Glover's dick blood.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Thats the fucking punchline? Hobo thinks he's actually talking to dick blood? Oh Christ. You and Arioch55 are a perfect pair of buttfuck twins. Both stupid and boring. He dropped the witty snap "Take your name and drink it!!" yesterday. Its like arguing with a fucking 3rd grader. I'm getting the fuck out of here. And I take it back...you're nothing like Coughlins Laws. That guy was entertaining as fuck. You're not.
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They need to start a campaign to free that poor fuck. He's already been beaten to a bloddy pulp and is facing 15 years in prison, that he probably wouldn't survive.
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...then let him go. You guys know my political stance, but fuck-- you can't throw shit at a fucking President. Idiot.
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I don't condone what he did at all but that is really harsh. Poor man. He had a right to express his anger and I do empathize with him. Here we are glorifying Tom Cruise for attempting to kill Hitler and they want to jail this guy for throwing a shoe?
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It was shoes. The guy only did what any self-respecting citizen of Iraq or America should do.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=6473332&page=1
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he would make sure the charges were dropped. But we know he's a coward, a scoundrel, and a wimp so he'll probbaly make sure he's prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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Dec 17, 2008 11:06:05 AM CST
I THINK THROWING A SHOE IS THE SAME AS THROWING FECES
by bringingsexyback
in Arab culture. It's a big no no. I still say Free The Shoe Guy though.
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That's like Hitler giving amnesty to Tom Cruise. Would never happen.
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Just like Sarah. I think we got a new candidate in 2012.
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Yeah...they're ready for democracy all right. Can we just get the fuck out of there so the next dictator can take over already?
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You can't pull shit like that. Thats like me going to England, spitting on Gordon Brown as he passes-- and then crying about the way SIS treats me. That dude is a pussy and he should be a man and take the beating. 15 years is bullshit. But he should take the beating for a month and go home.
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is considered an insult.
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Bush should make sure charges are dropped? Whaaaaaaat? If I was the President and some fool throws his shoes at me I'd say break that fucker's arm and piss on him.....and in a few weeks. Let him go.
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The sequel.
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Dec 17, 2008 11:18:36 AM CST
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO HURT PEOPLE AND GET AWAY WITH IT
by bringingsexyback
Just run for Prez or VP. Just look at Bush and Cheney. Shit you can shoot your rifle at your best friend's face and not even get cuffed.
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Dec 17, 2008 11:21:09 AM CST
DEAR DICK CHENEY....IF YOU'RE READING THIS...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...there is only one way you can preserve your legacy now. Give us one final speech on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial on Race and Equality, and drop the name DANNY GLOVER'S DICK BLOOD!! The younger generations will love you for it!
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at Gordon "saviour of the financial universe" Brown. A few years ago someone egged our deputy PM (a fat useless corrupt fuck called Prescott) and he chinned the guy. It was well funny. That's what Bush should have done.
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just fuck off and take your bankrupt ideology with you.
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What a fucking bad ass-- look how quick he is!! Bush totally should have pulled this shit. http://tinyurl.com/4h4gxf
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To say that Bush has protected us over the last 8 years from attack is a deductive reasoning fallacy (well, just one example anyway). We have not been militarily attacked by foreign terrorists in the continental US, that is what we've been told (and presumably is true). But it is not an absolute statement that it is wholly *because* the Bush administration was protecting us that we have not been attacked. Ironically, it could actually be true but do you think these men and women would hesitate to tell us and the world that terrorism is something you actually can prevent and defend against? Which, historically speaking, is not typically the case? The world needs hope against the inhumanity of terrorism but let's keep the real preventions secret and just talk about jackasses who write plans on napkins and talk to the first government op who says he's a jihadist. We heard about those wannabe's and the Sears tower and then those hapless, idiot students with fireworks in their trunk but I would think that if this administration, which is quite reviled around the world and in America, had actually prevented a serious and REAL terrorist threat that we wouldn't have heard about it at some point? And that's not even really going into the logical fallacy of saying the absence of one thing proves another without the need for collaborating evidence.The absence of God does not prove he doesn't exist. The absence of reasoned arguments of many TBers does not mean all TBers are brainless asswipes.Plus, imagine if you hated America and wanted our destruction...wouldn't 9/11 seem sufficient as a catalyst for our apparent destruction at this point? Imagine the gum-chewers are right and "they hate us for our freedom" and that every Muslim is an America-hating jihadist. Cue 9/11 and it's aftermath. Heartbroken and furious, we rightfully lost our fucking minds; however, apparently and tragically, never bothered to get them back and now we're loosing our fucking country (it will take some time but this will be called a 'depression' before it is over). I'd say these terrorists did far more damage to us than killing 3000 people on 9/11. Why bother to risk money and your human ammo suicide-bombers if America is more than hellbent to destroy herself? They set the conditions for us and our leadership to destroy ourselves which is exactly, sadly, predictably, what we've done. The next 10 years will tell us and the world if they were completely successful (ie: if the USA is still around or, at least, still a significant world power). My guess is we won't die but the ripples of this predicament will last for generations.Bin Laden and these terrorist assholes are the luckiest fuckers on the planet. A monstrous attack on innocents leads to financial chaos inside of 10 years leading to a very troubled and bleak future. Possibly even the end of America as we, and the world, have known it for decades. What army could have done what those handful of hijackers did? None. No traditional army could ever hurt us like these guys did and you fools think they're actually still looking to bloody us up with a practical attack? Why? What the hell for? Shit, another attack might actually get the anti-American people to separate their hatred for our President from their hatred for Americans; which might slowly turn world opinion against their indirect cause. A smart terrorist out for the death of America wouldn't risk interrupting or stopping the mess America has created for herself, the giant shit we've taken all over ourselves...a smart terrorist would just sit back and laugh and watch the country burn itself out. Granted, a lot of other unrelated shit had to happen for these assholes to get so lucky...but the catalyst string untied at 9/11 was left to unravel and affect everything.What motivation, other than justifying such a disastrous US foreign policy and thus possibly working counter to their presumed goal of eliminating America, could these bastards possibly have in attacking us now or even since 2003? It would serve no purpose and the risk far outweighs any potential reward.But you guys go ahead...get some bumper stickers made up and get those middle fingers all exercised. If you cannot see past your loyalty to a failed president, if you must tie your conservative political ideology to these neo-con imbeciles and this current false-iteration of "Republicanism", then your party is in danger of extinction. I hope and pray the true Republicans will not let this happen and will take the reins of their party back from the spend-crazy, idiot macho false tough-guys, and religio-fundie zealots and go back to their traditional roots. Contrary to the talk on this TB, my guess is even the far left are not extreme left and that extreme left needs a balance by the thoughtful right. Without a thoughtful right, this country will be just as rudderless as we have been with a lunatic right and a incompetent or utterly passive left (what's the difference really).
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That's my time, thank you!!! I'll be here all week!!!
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Just let me know which one you want morbid, left or right.
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You know who else should have shoes thrown at them?900LBGorillaCoughlins LawsRowdyRoddyStriper (aka BlackCrippler, AnimalStructure, BraneRobot etc.)Bill Kristol - just for good measure.I betcha none of those doughy "c"onservatives have anything on ol' Dubya's reflexes.
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Sometimes when you get to typing, the angels sing.
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Unlike Bush, this one made contact. Poor sap.
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I always enjoy mulleted douches getting fucked up.
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I'm not a Will Ferrell fan either (the loud character played out years ago), but I do think he's capable of subtle work (like Jim Carrey) if he pulled it back and controlled his ego. I think his Bush work is usually pretty funny, not because it's a dead-on impression, but because he took aspects of Bush and created his own character. This is also why Tina Fey did so well as Sarah Palin. Yes, she looks like her and got the accent down. But she created a character with it. It wasn't just an impression. So I might watch this when it comes on - or download it since I cancelled HBO after Carnivale got screwed.
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This show sounds fucking weak. There's my comment.
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Dec 17, 2008 12:37:34 PM CST
bush two the sequel and his name is barack hussein obama!
by shogunshin
obama has almost an exactly the same, very similar foreign policy. bush had his iraq war. obama plans on an afghanistan war. so our brave soldiers will not face danger in iraq anymore, they will be moved and forced to fight a bullshit war in afghanistan. bush AND obama are GLOBALISTS. bush AND obama are pro-nafta. bush and OBAMA have Council On Forgein Relations ties. (obama is even a bonafied CFR member!) bush AND obama lie on the podium. so fellas, if you did not like bush, get read for bush 2 the sequel. to make it all worse, obama was born in KENYA. so we have a foreign born criminal about to become president. bush 2 is ready to send our troops to battle for one reason and one reason only. they want the rich to get richer, and the middle class dissolved. bush 2, and his name is Barack Hussien Obama!
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Let me guess...you voted for Ron Paul.You're quite the fearmonger there, zfisk...I mean, shogunshin.
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I'm pretty sure you were a hardcore McCain guy during our endless election debates. I'm gonna research this.
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I wonder what would have happened if the Iraqi shoe thrower had done that to Saddam...
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Saddam would have had that guy skinned alive, marinated in A1 and fucked by a pack of rabid wolves as he stroked off with fresh honey and bees stinging his balls.
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and is probably a big fan of Jerome Corsi.
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Do you people even know what a Neocon is? I mean I know what your community college Polisci teacher told you but keep in mind he's an old bitter hippy! That word gets thrown around by people who don't know what they are talking about (just like "fascist" and "Nazi"). Not all modern day conservatives are "Neocons". I'm Conservative-Libertarian and while I support an aggressive stance against terrorism I'm hardly a "neocon". Most neocons are fiscally and socially moderate conservatives who believe in strong national defense. That ain't me.
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That guy probably loved Saddam.
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Wow. What a racist statement. Like him or not Bobby Jindal is an accomplished man and true conservative and dismissive statements like this are wrong. I've always said the real racists are on the left.
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Ok. Who the fuck called you a NEOCON? No one. So what the fuck are you talking about you Conservative-Libertarian, you?
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No he didn't. His family was tortured by Saddam's goons. He is just Anti-America being in his country I suppose.
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LETS DRINK SOME SNAKE BLOOD IN THE BAYOU!! FUCK YEAH!
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...indeed, which is why I mentioned hoping the Republicans get their souls back before it's too late.Also, if it had been Saddam Hussein the shoe was thrown at, the shoe-thrower would be dead...but then again you're actually comparing the sitting US President to the deceased Iraqi tyrant?Well, of course you are.
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This from a ModLib.
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Dec 17, 2008 1:21:51 PM CST
IF I WERE BUSH'S PR MAN I'D ADVISE HIM TO ASK FOR LENIENCY
by bringingsexyback
for the shoe thrower. And send him an Amazon gift certificate.
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Bunch of fucks who don't know how a government is supposed to work for the people.
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Would it be OK for someone to throw shoes at the head of other heads of state - say Barak Obama in a few weeks? Or does it only apply to politicians of a certian political stripe? And had the shoes conected with Bush's head and caused severe injury or death, what should the Iraqi government had done?
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History has been written. Now we enter the age of Obama. Don't bitch you neocon losers, you brought this on yourselves by being as inept as you were.
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Libertarians' faith in the free market is puzzling to me, especially in light of how the American (and, possibly, the world) economy is tanking. I used to live next to a guy who lived in fairly ramshackle house and drove a beat-up old shitbox with a Ron Paul sticker on it. Now here's a guy who clearly isn't doing well and he's supporting the one guy who promises to do NOTHING for him. I have a friend who asked "what would a Libertarian bumper sticker say? "Don't Fix The Roads?" Only in America do you find the very people who are being destroyed by a system continually supporting that very system. It shows how much indoctrination we have in the US. The rest of the developed world has gotten it through their heads that maybe, just maybe, we're all in this together and perhaps we should help each other out. At least within national boundaries anyway. Not the US. Here it's every man for himself. Which can really make an economy grow quickly but, as we're starting to see now, isn't much of a foundation for a compassionate society. We produce technical wonders like the moon landing and the internet but can't do the basic stuff like feed and clothe everyone. I don't think we really value those things or we'd be aggressively working for them. It's really sad to see how America has squandered its resources and the goodwill of the rest of the world. What was I talking about? Oh yeah, libertarians... What a silly ideology.
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If that guy had killed Bush he probably would have to be tried by a world court for assassination. That seems like the most reasonable way to treat that kind of situation. I would hope that the US would be exposed as the leading terrorist state in the world (something everyone but the US seems to understand) and perhaps his sentence would be commuted. I mean he would be killing a man and there should be some penalty for that but I would hope that the fact that he killed a terrorist leader would afford him some leniency.
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If his sentence is commuted, then there would be no penalty??
If someone assasinates Fidel Castro, Mugabe, etc. would that also be deserving of sentence commution? Or is Bush the sole leader deserving of this honor? -
Well I'm not sure exactly how it would work out but if you could have some kind of world court that really represented world opinion, I think the guy would probably get off for killing Bush. Castro, probably not, since no one but Cuba and the United States gives much of a shit about him (and he's not killing thousands of innocents around the world). Hard to say though. The idea of a world court makes some sense though, at least in this context. If we wanted to REALLY believe in democracy then we'd turn many of our decisions over to consideration by the world population, not just the US population. But then I echo Zizek's sentiment that everyone in the world EXCEPT Americans should be allowed to vote for the US president.
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Good God. I'm as glad Obama won as anyone, but the idea that the US is the biggest terrorist state in the world, that the man who assassinated the President would get off on the world stage, and the fact that you have no notion of a nation's sovereignty means you are to the left of Stalin and well into Crazytown. Yes, yes, the US is the only country to ever treat anyone and anything unfairly. No other country looks out for its own interests versus the interests of the world. Dope.
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Go back and reread what I said. I didn't say anything about the US being the only country, etc etc. And what do you think "shock and awe" is if not terrorism? And I don't understand what Obama has to do with the discussion. And Stalin wasn't really very far on the left. Your arguments are diffuse and puzzling.
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The world population doesn't pay US taxes if they are not US citizens; therefor, they cannot have a say in who we vote for. You don't get representation without taxation anymore than you get taxation without representation (well, it's *supposed* to be that way, anyway). I know this country is filled with pinheads who would vote for Hitler's pet monkey's left testicle instead of a candidate with even the tiniest hint of the worst, most hated word in the English language, "liberal", but we cannot go apeshit just because we've had a regular 'below the bell curve' everyday schmuck for president for the last 8 years.I wonder if modern "Republicans" would vote for an atheist before they voted for a liberal (to them atheist = confused, fixable; liberal = anti-American terrorist fist jabbing communist god-haters constantly having gay anal sex with children, trees, and pious goats while killing boy scouts with FRECNH fries and then destroying christmas with a giant gay condom filled with gay semen and wiping their shit soiled Iranian flag underpants on the faces of dead American GI's they just killed with their Global Warming terrorism buggies!!!".But allowing Europeans to vote for the American president while not allowing Americans this vote?Respect, dude, but that's just ludicrous.Just because people were chickenshit or blind conformist (or simply blind) enough to vote this guy in the second time does not mean America sucks or deserves to die or have our democracy taken over by Europeans. Even if those Euros are right and we are wrong about any particular issue.
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I don't think Klytus' "World Court" would be limited to the Europeans; it would no doubt include all the nations of the world including those that stone adultresses and gays.
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...on your point of view obviously.
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I was mostly joking about that. I think in a better world where the US doesn't seek to dominate sections of the world through might and/or economic influence, then I would be totally joking when I say that. But in our world where the US has had such disastrous effects on other nations (Pinochet in Chile is an excellent example), why shouldn't others have a say, at least in some kind of world court? The UN has been wholly ineffective in this regard. If another nation deposed your democratically elected leader, propped up a dictator in his/her place and contributed to completely destabilizing your economy, wouldn't you want some kind of say in that? Is it really that crazy? You're arguing from the perspective of the best case scenario and I would agree that if countries didn't meddle in each other's affairs we should have no say in their policies. I'm arguing that in our present situation, where the US has PROFOUND and often negative influence in many other nations, perhaps the effected nations should have some recourse or some say in how they're treated.
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I meant "affected."
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...our national boogiemen had distinct origins in either behavior, beliefs, or belonging. Commies, hippies, blacks, liberals, seculars, Jews, Irish, Italians, Japanese, etc.But with the advent of the ambiguous but genius notion of "terrorist" we can mold the boogieman role to fit literally anyone.America is not a nation of terrorists any more than Pakistan or Iraq is or was. We are not a nation of McVey's or Rudolphs...we are not a nation of Cheney's or Clinton's...anymore than Saudi Arabia is a nation of Bin Laden's or that one creepy looking dude (like old video game bad guy looking dude...wtf?!)...do people not have enough imagination to think beyond absolute generalizations anymore?
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...when it is in your nations best interest to keep the sightless giant happy and distracted lest you be eaten...yes, I'd agree 100% but then that is our problem in need of fixing...if we don't fix that pesky "imperialism" problem masquerading as nationalism or, sadly, patriotism, then what we, as citizens, say in this country matters almost as little as what those victims of American "exceptionalism" gone amok around the world have experienced. In other words, we must stop meddling in the affairs of foreign nations that don't seek our assistance (this is a rather obvious if absurdly oversimplified way to state it, I think).However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't listen or be cooperative instead of arrogant or simply belligerent. We cannot be the world police (no one asked us to anyway) and we must not insist on being the only chess player on this board unless we wish to reap the consequences of our actions (ala 9/11, Cole, etc)...BUT! Even in the midst of bleakness....we rise above. We are the first country to ever elect a member of the minority race in a position of leadership over the majority's race. Never happened in the world before now. That's something to be proud of and we need things like that...present day things to keep us alight and remind us that we are capable of so much more than just blowing shit up and finding new people to hate and demonize.
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including the ones you mentioned DM. It is very disheartening to see how many have had to suffer and die because of the ambition of our leaders. It's clear that the US doesn't have much time left as #1 power, which would be a good thing if we weren't going to be supplanted by China, which has learned all the wrong lessons from the US's successes and failures. The art that has come out of the American experiment has been extraordinary though.
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If not, you have talents going to waste.
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I hate it when people like you get a little bit of education and then think you know it all. Read one article in Newsweek. Got together a few times with your buddies in Freshman Political Science at Starbucks. Do you even read what you type? "It's clear that the US doesn't have much time left as the #1 power". Clear to who? "The art that has come out of the American experiment has been extraordinary though." What the fu-? You sound like a Mark Millar comic or some shitty fanfic alternate-timeline story. The American experiment? I want. So bad. To punch you. Do you really think China is going to supplant the US? That is so dumb. With their political turbulence, huge, massive environmental issues, large rural working class with little to no access to education? And ties directly to our own economy? Sigh. What, did you just hear China on the news in between episodes of "Lost" or something and choose that as your go-to country? You know, when people like you talk about our downfall and the empire ending and whatever, I think several things. One, you have absolutely no faith in America. As a concept, as a people, as a belief system, as a country. Therefore, you probably have no business being here. Two, you have absolutely no faith in Barack Obama. Here is a man many believe could be the greatest political leader since whoever your political ideology tells you was the last one. Clinton. Reagan. Kennedy. And you think he's going to drop the ball. Nice. Way to support the first black president and one of the greatest, if not greatest achievements and show of faith by the American people in the 21st century. Last, you have no concept of history. Yeah, because this is the worst off America has ever been. No time else have we been in such stressful situations. Except the 1980s, 1970s, 1960s, 1940s, 1930s... I'll stop here. As for me? Maybe I'm alone in this talkback, but I'm here for change. I'm here for hope. I'm here to win. Fuckin' A.
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Very, very well said. People who forget the past (or who are ingorant of it) are doomed to repeat it. By that I mean, those too young to remember , or too uneducated about the past to form a valid opinion. In the 1970's Saudi Arabia and the Dutch - yes the Dutch, were buying up huge tracts of real estate and companies in the United States. Their economies were growing a fantastic rates. And America was embroiled in a draining cold war. America was ripe to be supplanted. Did not happen. In the 80's Japan's economy exploded - China like. They bought huge tracts of land and American companies. The trade deficit with Japa was enormous. Japa could do no wrong. Soon not only would they be a bigger economy that the U.S, but they would own all of American cultural exports from Hollywood to Heavy Metal. Better start learning Japanese. Uh,uh. Did not happen. India with the worlds largest democracy, and the most engineers and the most outsourced call centers and software talent, would supplant the U.S. in the late 90's early 2000's. Did not happen. Singapore leading the way of the asian Tigers along with Korea and Taiwan. Nope. Russia. Russia! Fugadabbouit. China today. No. The United States will remain the engine the drives the world because we consume the most products and have a higher quality and standard of life than China, India, Russia. We have poverty, but not too the extremes of those countries. And because of that, because we have more people who are able to purchase and consume, we will always drive the worlds economy. As the Japanese learned, the more they exported, the more we consumed, yes it created huge amounts of profit, and trade imbalance, but eventually, the market here was getting flooded, and when that happens prices start dropping, profits start dropping, and consumers buy even more. Then the huge costs of producing those goods are no longer supported by the dwindling profits coming in -due to flooding of market. Japans economy collapsed. China, will fare no better, and may even be worse, because while they are flying high now, Chinese goods and services are no match in quality compared to the Japanese. They may hit a double whammy, over saturation and abandonment. No. America is in a depression now, but the world will not benefit from it. And America will emerge as strong as ever. This is not jingoism, or wishful thinking. It is merely the pattern of history.
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If Barack illegally and unilaterally invades a soverieign nation based on manufactured intel, then you can throw anyhting you want at the motherfuckers head.
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Wasn't Britain (along with a bit from Australia, Poland and Denmark) in there as well?
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With 20 soldiers each? We bullied them into it.
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I assume that you endorse assasination of some world leaders, like Bush (a flying shoe to the head is no joke). Any others who merit this treatment?
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Yes. It is. Get a fucking life.
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Jindal and Palin 2012 - I want to see a full on pentacostal revival at the GOP convention. Snakes handed out, tongues spoken in, witches cast out... In fact, I think that should be their platform - all witches cast out, and spiritualized healthcare by 2014.
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Dec 18, 2008 11:06:54 AM CST
I THINK ELECTED LEADERS MUST BE DEALT WITH DIPLOMATICALLY
by bringingsexyback
Bush has forgotten that he represents the people, the nation. That is why I support Obama holding direct talks with Chavez, Il, Castro and Ahmedinejad, instead of isolating them and unnecessarily making enemies out of other countries.
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"a flying shoe to the head is no joke" -- care to personally try that out first hand? You can report on the results in the hospital.
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You're a pussy. Bring it on. Regardless, yes, I would have thrown a shoe filled with my own shit, or a fucking bullet from a gun at Bush's head, if I was that guy and I think it's justified. You understand that Bush is a war criminal right? WAR CRIMINAL. He's responsible for thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths. Fuck off until you grow a pair you little whore.
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Steel toe boots can be fatal.
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Bush has plenty of war criminal company. Plenty.
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You approve of assasinating Bush. Understood. However, do you draw the line with others accussed of war crimes from all over the political spectrum? Would a survivor of Hiroshima or Dresden be justified in murdering Truman or FDR?
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Would Holocaust survivors be justified in murdering Hitler?
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...no human can ever justify killing another human. Until either God or the alien overlords or whatever or whomever is actually in charge of shit like this comes down and says "YOU THERE...YES YOU IN THE BASEBALL HAT...YOU ARE JUSTIFIED IN TAKING THE LIFE OF ANOTHER LIVING THING! THIS IS GOD/ALIEN-OVERLORD/ETC AND I APPROVE OF THIS KILLING." then justification only exists in the mind of the killer. We can argue justification but a truly enlightened species would find ways to dispose of those who just have to kill and torture and maim without the hypocrisy of doing the precise same thing to stop them. Of course, this presumes that being enlightened isn't simply yet another meaningless human construct that only exists because we do.Altho I do like the joke about the guy who moved the Dodgers to California...if Hitler and this guy who moved the Dodgers are both in a locked room with you and you have a gun with 2 bullets...who do you shoot? The guy who moved the Dodgers to California...twice.
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Point taken. However, there *were* individuals who were against the death penalties meted out at Nuremberg and against Eichmann. And I fully expect non-shoe throwing left-leaning groups to issue warrents against members of the Bush administration over the next few years as has been done with others accused of war crimes. It would be interesting to see how President Obama would react if any of your "neocon cabal" were to be hauled before the International Criminal Court. Would he demand their release - or not?
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I disagree but you always make a compelling argument.
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Considering how Cheney and Frank Gaffney have been lobbying Bush in recent days for a pardon, it looks like arrests and trials are not just on the minds of Leftists. And I admit to a level of hypocrisy in not allowing American leaders to be tried in an international court. I believe they should be tried right here.
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A bit of a strawman there but I wouldn't say that. But let's say for instance Osama Bin Laden with the aid of China invaded and overthrew the U.S. government, destroyed its infrastructure, killed scores of U.S. civilians ,and set up a puppet government headed by the Taliban, m2298. After 5 years Osama then paid a visit to the Taliban government occupying and controlling the U.S. and praised the progress they were making in setting up a new regime, despite daily bombings on the streets of major U.S. cities and whole sections of the country's population being kept from taking part in the new government. Imagine Osama gave a press conference and you, yes YOU, were working as a reporter, even though half of what you reported would be redacted. You finally snapped out of frustration for a moment and decided to hurl your own rubber soled loafer at Osama bin Laden and Chinese soldiers hauled you off for a vicious beating and threated to jail you for a near life sentence, m2298. Given all that how would you feel about that? Would you think you deserved it? Would you think maybe you were justified in throwing a rubber souled loafer at Osama's head in a momentary hysterical fit of desperation that you knew wouldn't do anything? Do you think Osama might have deserved that for all he put you and your people through? Do you think he desrved to die or at least be held accountable for what he did to the U.S.? Just wondering.
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I see the comparison, but is the Iraqi government (as messed up as it is) truly a U.S. puppet? And while I realize that many (perhaps most) of the Iraqis hate the US, I doubt that the hatred runs as thick as it would with the American population vs the Taliban. After all, it was the brutal Baath regime that was overthrown, not a democratic one.
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Judge Mathis: "Life was rough. We had to make do!"
Alan Dershowitz: "Excuse me your honor?"
Judge Mathis: "Don't be talking back to me boy!" -
It was a shoe.
Let the man go. -
An Iranian Puppet Regime. With many of those in positions of power and control of both the Militia infiltrated Army and Police solidly in the pocket of Iran.
Not forgetting the still hopelessly confused and unsettled Oil field "ownership" rights and hence the theoretical wealth of Iraq being a unresolved Political timebomb.
Though the Kurds do indeed have less Shia and Sunni violence. Sure they are expelling and persecuting the Christians in the Kurdish areas and it's true that they are in fact still fighting Border skirmishes and Terrorist attacks on Turkey via the PKK as well.
And it's also true that almost all of Iraq is now balkanized with the Militias not the Green Zone Government calling the shots as they enforce an oppressive theocratic Sharia Law.
But apart from all that it's "Mission Accomplished."
And Bush tried to make a joke out of the shoe throwing with his "It's a size 10 shoe" quips. Sadly, and for some inexplicable reason the Main News Networks omitted to show this, when he was giving this statement to American jounalists you could actually hear the screams of Zaidi in a nearby room as he was being beaten.
It is well within Bush's gift to call for the release of this journalist but because it was his "pride" (admittedly a theoretical substance these days) that took a hit he's showing no sign of actually putting any presure on his Iraqi "allies" to actually let him go and seems content to let this turn into mass demonstrations and festering resentment that will no doubt cause more mayhem down the line since Mr Zaidi could now be facing up to seven years in jail for "offending the head of a foreign state".(throwing a couple of shoes and missing)
But Bush isn't going to be there much longer so why should he give a fuck ? -
Hobocode -- earlier I didn't mean that I would be the one throwing shoes at you or some sort of threat (I assume that's why you called me "pussy" etc.). Sorry if I was misunderstood.
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