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Zombie Resurrects HALLOWEEN Sequel H2!! (Not To Be Confused With Earlier HALLOWEEN Sequel H20!!)
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Rob Zombie will prove again that Michael Myers is more human than human in “H2,” a sequel to his 2007 remake of the John Carpenter-directed dead-teenager classic.
He originally didn’t want to pursue a sequel to the movie, which took in more than $60 million domestically. "I was so burned out,” he tells Variety. “I took a long break, made a record and I got excited again."
Find all of Variety’s story on the matter here.
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I never saw it as I boycott remakes of movies that shouldn't be remade.
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I'm seriously over this idea that reinventing is okay. It just isn't. Can we actually have something inspired and innovative for once.
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Fuck no.
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Just what I wanted, a continuation of Rob's festering pusball of a remake. To think I used to really dig the concept of a "Rob Zombie Movie". That was prior to House of 1000 Corpses. I seem to recall Rob used to bitch about how boring the old Friday the 13th movies were... how Jason wasn't scary. Well guess what Rob... with your 9 foot tall invincible walking-truck of a Michael Myers, you unintentionally managed to make the 3rd shittiest Friday the 13th film ever (right behind parts 7 and 8). Congrats.
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ah well something else for people to hate online but still buy a ticket for..."to see how bad it is"
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...and your childhood. <br> <br> This has to be the least-anticipated remake in recent memory. Let's see, there's Zombie, Zombie's wife, and Zombie's accountant . . . not sure who else. Maybe the guy who plays Michael Meyers, because at least he gets to hide his face.
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Dec. 16, 2008, 1:21 a.m. CST
Thank God the team that did L'Interieur is off this...
by DanielKurland
I'd hate to see them do something soo pedestrian when they are capable of much more.
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Dec. 16, 2008, 1:24 a.m. CST
I think a film in the spirit of Halloween 3: Season of the Witch
by wbrownley
Just don't have Zombie white trash it.
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I think a film in the spirit of Season of the Witch is needed. Then again, the film I want to see may have been already made and called Trick R' Treat. I haven't seen it and it has quickly replaced Chinese Democracy and Duke Nukem Forever as infamous pieces of pop culture that are notorious for delays. But CD came out, so there is still hope.
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Dust In The Wind should be the new Halloween "Michael's Sad" Theme.. Fuck man... Well, hey let Rob play in this world all he wants... It's already fucking dead to me. Raped you Silly Boy!!!! Raped Dry!! I Rob'z Your Franchise. I Rob'zed it Up!
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Rapes everyone's childhood with this one... and they like it (Straw Dogs).
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Wasn't he shot to death at the end? And before anyone makes comparisons with the original, this was just a big psycho not someoneid who might have been more than human.
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But at least he tried to do something new and failed. <p> Say what you will about the quality, but Zombie didn't make a bland remake.
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better than I expected
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I kinda dig Zombie's white trash gimmick. Not to say that aesthetic was overdone in his Halloween remake, but it finds it's way in all his stuff I guess. Anyways, I don't think anybody can come away from that movie thinking Rob Zombie doesn't love the fuck out of the character. He just "Rob Zombie'd" the origin. What happened to his animated project (El Superbeasto or whatever)?
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He's just a shit writer. His remake LOOKED friggin' spectacular and Myers looked better than he has in years. He really shouldn't have tried to copy the original, it just didn't work at all...it felt shoehorned in. I think the guy is still trying to find his voice as a filmmaker...I'm not looking forwards to this, but I am interested in seeing what he does.
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If that movie isn't good times then you sir are a homo. And I mean that in the nicest way possible. Fag.
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I didn't really like House, but I loved Rejects, so, I hope I like this one better than the first.<br><br>I must also say, that I was in the minority of giving Zombie the benefit of the doubt for the remake, and to be honest it was better than every other Halloween movie, except for the first two (which was Carpenter's).
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Seriously.
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Rob, you break my heart. You have potential, but...
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Do any of the OG films really count after the first two? There was the Season of the Witch crap and then they just made shitty movies, one even starring LL COOL J. The carpenter films are the golden age stuff, followed by Zombie's swing at it.
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Part 2. ::dons gotta take a shit mask:: I can't wait.
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As in, will he actually remake the orignal sequel or concieve a completely new idea???
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this news is terrible. the first movie was awfull enough!
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Won't be seeing this. Rob should tone down the gore. To disturbing.
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Good first film, woeful follow up, and solid third flm. This will suck. The Devil's rejects was an absolutely perverted film with every conceivable way to disgust the film goer on show.Absolutely no moral recourse whatsoever. Makes Eli Roth's disgraceful Hostel films look like a Shakesperean play. Roth should just pack his bags and go home. He is a woeful director. Proof that anyone can hold a camera and shoot absolute shit.
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You can't direct worth a toss and you fucking ruined Halloween for me!! Stay the fuck away from movies, unless you're a viewer. Sorry, I feel very passionately about this.
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Just what the world needs. More shit.
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Dec. 16, 2008, 3:11 a.m. CST
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE PUT MONEY OVER SUBSTANCE
by birdy birdman
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from Life Goes On. Let's see him make that movie.
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I mean, those were quite a few bullets to he face he took at the end there. Is Michael Meyers the 50 Cent of contemporary slashers? <p>Didn't Zombie say he'd never, ever, pursue a sequel? I mean, wasn't making one tepid, unscary move enough for any aspiring director's career?
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i have to say that movie was an improvement over the cryfest version with travolta.
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That shit has been out since this summer. I want a direct shot for shot remake of it. But this time the Joker will be played by King Kong Bundy.
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ROTFLMAO.
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Koko Beware can play Jack and Sable can play Rose. It'll make another billion dollars.
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This time with Alex Winter in the wooden role of Keanu.
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This time with Alex Winter in the wooden role of Keanu.
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With Andy Samberg as Mark Wahlberg as Max Payne.
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Dec. 16, 2008, 3:48 a.m. CST
What I'm trying to say is that Remakes are a great idea
by White Goodman
I could watch them all day. There has never been a bad remake in the history of the world.
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His movies are so bad. I have never understood this sites affinity with him. Calling him a hack is too ood for him. Just hang up your directors megaphone now please Rob. Can you not re-train to be a kindergarten teacher?
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to the face.
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It's true, I read the first draft...
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Here's a way to get rid of these things. Don't go see them. Unless of course they re-make Batman Forever after giving the series another re-boot with Adam West Staring this time, this is the only logical next step in the Batman series.
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NO more remakes, AND DEFINATLEY NO MORE SEQUELS TO REMAKES.
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...But this is fucking stupid. He's got better self originated material...just...fucking...sitting...there. Why not just make The Fucking Nail already?
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If the movie had just ended when Meyers escapes from the hospital, it would've been fine. But then he decided to remake the entire first film in the space of about 40 minutes and it was shit. I was really looking forward to it after how much I loved Devil's Rejects, but this is something I couldn't give a shit about, after the first one.
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...Is far far worse than ANYTHING Zombie has done. He could have pissed in Carpenters mouth and released Cigarette Burns under the title of Halloween and it would still be better. I'm glad these guys are off of it because they should never be allowed to make another film ever again.
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...Memories-of-Murder is ejaculating.
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Thus, a sequel of a remake of a horror franchise reboot that no one asked for thanks to the 'Saw' movies and a last gasp 'Freddie vs Jason' sell-out. <br><br> Is that it? Are we just done with ideas? Another 'Jason' movie is creeping to the theaters. Freddy isn't far behind. <br><br> It's not just horror movies. The whole biz is going down the crap shitter. As Tyler said, "just polishing the Titanic."<br><br> Rob Zombie, you're cool. But fuck this movie.
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Zombie was hamstrung by sticking too closely to the original story, so we didn't get a unique vision, just a hit & miss remake. And yet the movie was skilfully directed and showed that Zombie COULD be a force to be reckoned with if given enough artistic freedom. In many ways, this looks like repeating what happened with House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects. House was a total train wreck - but a beautiful looking one. The Devil's Rejects was a grungy, pulpy, Grindhouse extravaganza. I therefore predict that by virtue of H2 NOT being a remake, we can look forward to seeing a true Rob Zombie film: totally fucking disturbing. Roll on October 31st!
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I got nuttin else<p> After all this is about a sequel I won't see to a movie I didn't see (and won't see)
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That means you DickBlood!!! I for one will be there in line first day. Fuck off haters and Whiners
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It's just a rumour, but apparently Ratner's been spotted wearing a tatty Skynyrd T-Shirt and saying cocksucker a lot.<p>It could be he's in preparation for doing Brett Ratner's Rob Zombie's John Carpenter's Halloween II.
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"I got a question and it's driving me mad,<p>I thought these gals were good,<p>Turns out they're bad!<p>I made me some toast,<p>Whilst I dwelt on what I learned,<p>The toaster setting was right,<p>So...how'd it get burned?<p><p>How'd it get burned?<p>How'd it get burned?<p>Got me a girl to find,<p>But at the moment I'm concerned,<p>I don't like burnt toast,<p>So how'd it get burned?"<p><p>(Lyrics and music by Rob Zombie)
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a fool and his money etc...
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I just want to know how he plans to work his wife into this new one.
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He should make a film where the guy that got trampled to death at that NY Wal Mart comes back and gets the bastards that killed him.
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Maybe since Lorry shot Mike in the face at the end he'll get reverse Finius Gage syndrome and become nice this time. Instead of being "pure evil" he'll become supremely good. But how will they bring Loomis back? Maybe Stacy Keach will play his brother or something.
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Haven't we had enough pain at Zombie's hands? Please, Dimension...NO MORE ZOMBIEWEEN! WE BEG YOU!
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He may be the smartest guy in hollywood.
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I'd rather see a movie with that title... or a talkback...
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That should be just enough to bring about the end of all creative thinking forever. No really, it's science.
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Dec. 16, 2008, 8:15 a.m. CST
Burned out, it's amazing what a wad of cash can do...
by mayorofsmpleton
Guess we can look forward to another film where every man has hair down to their lower back and every character talks like the cast of South Park circa season 1... ;)
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For the LOVE of GOD!!! Keep Danielle Harris in this film. She survived the first movie and is likely the only thing to keep me interested in this project. Have it pick up two years later with Laurie and Annie going to college and Michael stalking them there. Drop the hospital nonsense from the original sequel...
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while they're at it. And whatever the one where Mike has a kung-fu fight was called.
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and that's all. I didn't care for it.
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... Fantastic Four. Daredevil. You know, 'cause I can't do worse.
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Dec. 16, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST
... now seriously... there are movies that have been good to gre
by cifra
John Carpenter's The Thing, Zack Snyder's Dawn of the Dead, Aja's The Hills Have Eyes, Frank Oz's Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, Billy Wilder's The Front Page... I could go on, so I never dismiss a remake as "irrelevant" or "bad idea". I, for myself, thought Halloween has been Zombie's most bearable movie.
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Possibly the worst actress ever. Hopefully we get to see her butt crack 50 more times in this movie. Rob Zombie is a mediocre, unoriginal, uninspired director and musician.
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is awesome. I thought I'll just throw it out there.
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Rob, give it UP already! Jesus, you are fast on your way to becoming the most worthlessly self-indulgent filmmaker out there. If Shyamalan retires you'll probably take the crown. After Devil's Rejects I actually thought you might have a career as a quality filmmaker, but you're using up that goodwill like there's no tomorrow...
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Has made ONE good album in a decade long career. Has made ONE watchable (not good) movie, and his so called "art" is nothing but a white trash/shock art derivative of Big Daddy Roth. Who woulda thunk that looking like a bum, talking about monsters in songs, and having God Damned white boy dreds would be enough for a career....Only in inspiration deprived, artistically bankrupt Hollywood would this moron be a success.
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I mean the nauseating, painful experience would be about the same and I'll save $20 as well.
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Seriously, fellow film fans, we are living in the darkest era ever. Who ever thought it would get this bad??? I'm worried about the remake of the Zombie's Halloween, which can only be, what, like 2 years away? The public's memory is shortening with every passing second. Good God, what the fuck happened? Someone crawl into Doc Brown's Delorean and kill the asshole or holes who sent movies, once a fun, viable entertainment, into this vortex of despair.
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talent vacuum. <P>Jesus fucking christ, the cunt has never made anything worthwhile.
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And in one scene somebody is walking towards a hospital, and there's a mother with a kid going in, and the kid has an apple with a razorblade stuck in his damn mouth. The mom is walking so nonchalantly is hilarious. Wait, maybe that was part III... Anyway, Zombie: Be sure to include a kid with a razorblade between his teeth and a nonchalant mom by his side. Keep the spirit of the original alive!
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Dec. 16, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST
It'll be interesting to see how he picks up the story.
by The Reluctant Austinite
If Zombie's intention in the first film was to make Myers completely human, it'll be interesting to see how he solves the problem created by the theatrical cut's ending. Myers has been shot several times by Loomis before Laurie apparently blows his brains out. She was covered in blood spray. Maybe she missed and got him in the shoulder? His shoulder is just particularly full of blood? I have to wonder if Zombie is going to have to add the supernatural elements back into the mythos.
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The girls in the first one were so smoking hot.
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And they will stop making it. I refuse to even watch Zombie's Halloween.
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His remake wasn't a complete suckathon, but it wasn't great either. I just didn't care for the portrayal of young Michael as a screwed-up trailer trash kid from a dysfunctional family. The way Zombie portrayed Michael, that kid had EVERY reason to grow up deranged. Carpenter's vision is that Michael is, in most respects if not ALL, a NORMAL kid who is suddenly possessed of PURE EVIL. And that's the horrifying thing, that he appeared to be normal middle class surburban kid. <br> But now we get a sequel to a movie where a truck driver gets killed while he's "passing" an enchilada on the toilet.
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Dec. 16, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST
I love how everyone treats the original Halloween like its a fuc
by dr sauch
It's a cool slasher flick. Come on, who honestly cares if they remake it again and again and again.
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Dec. 16, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST
the truth: I NEED MONEY, white foundation is expensive
by Stormwatcher
What a joyless announcement. Hooray! Is anyone even gonna care at this point.
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beautiful!!! I was just wondering when another horrible director was going to make another horrible movie.. you win the prize Rob.. fucking douchebag hack.
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I'm sure the budget was a fraction of this.
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were the most unlikeable bunch of whiny fuckers ever, and their dialogue was so poorly written....I was rooting for Myers. <p> House of 1000 Corpses was shit, Rob Zombie's Halloween was shit, I have no desire to see anything of his again.
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The first half of his remake was replete with the same trailer trash characters and thematic from both Corpses and Rejects and the second half was a near scene for scene remake of the original, just with lousy actors and a horribly lame conclusion. I'm glad Rob is excited about this sequel because nobody else with taste is. Even without the stigmatism of it being a remake, his Halloween was a shitty film on all counts.
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First Zombie spends the entire first movie absolutely neutering Myers by making him "human" (i.e. just another serial killer... yawn), and then he wants Myers to be able to survive multiple shots to the face, basically making him the boogeyman again. Um, make up your fucking mind Zombie! My main reason for hating the remake (pretty as it was) was the lame-o backstory that rendered Myers completely unscary. You don't get a do-over just because you fucked up so monumentally, Zombie. Also, pdennett, I totally agree. The girls were unbelievably annoying, even more so than actual teenage girls. Um, no thank you very much, we did not act like that, asshole. Just demonstrates how little he understood the material.
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Damnit.
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...but it sure smells good!
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The original is the best horror movie ever made, and I was genuinely excited about Rob's remake... until I saw it. The workprint was halfway decent, but the theatrical cut was absolutely abysmal. A second? No. Fucking. Way.
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...that Hollywood blows.
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While I admit he has a talent for creating some gruesome imagery, his writing abilities are shit. His script for the remake was terrible. He writes like an unfunny, white trash, Tarantino wannabe and lowers his films into the sewer. I didn't mind this for 1000 Corpses and Devil's Rejects but not Halloween. Also, I know someone who saw his Superbeasto animated movie a few days ago. They said it sucked, and had too many fart jokes for a 12 year old boy to enjoy.
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Did I like the new White-Trash Michael Myers? No. Was it as bad as it could have been? No. <p> True, Zombie's MM isn't very scary, largely due to Zombie. True, the whole movie wasn't scary, again due to zombie. But it was somewhat entertaining. <p> While the orignal Halloween is a classic, Halloween 2 was a piece of crap. I can't believe some people say it was the second best of the series. It was horrible, Halloween 4 was a billion times better. So maybe Zombie can make Halloween 2 better than the original. <p> But that is a total "maybe." "Devil's Rejects" was one of the worst movies I have ever seen. Call me a fag if you like,but that movie was sick (not the good kind of sick either, just disgusting). <p> If I were to ever make a judgment about someone who liked a movie, it would be someone who like Devil's Rejects.
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If this is going to work, especially as a franchise resurrection, he needs to find an actress that can engage us and carry the scenes that Myers IS NOT in. It was Jamie Lee combined with the character of Laurie Strode that made the original a milestone.
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make a new, final Halloween with Jamie Lee Curtis. Sure, Michael stabbed her and dropped her off a roof. But Michael has shown a bit of resiliency over the years, too. Have Jamie older, in a wheelchair. Have a final, genuinely scary pursuit-showdown instead of retreads.
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This movie will need a good laugh...........
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...just...enough already, Hollywood. Please. You have so much fucking money already...just stop with the useless "re-imaginings". If you're going to remake something, just call it for what it is; a "remake". Better still, don't remake the classics. Leave them alone. No new "Halloween", no new "Nightmare", no new "Psycho", no more "Phantasm". Just let them be. Find original ideas and try to be "creative" and "artistic". Stop treating film like a fucking cash cow you money-grubbing whore cockers.
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Bud the ambulance driver singing "Amazing Grace": Amazing grace, Come sit on my face, Don't make me cry, I need your pie.......
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Ahhhh, Leo Rossi. That guy was great in everything he was in!
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Dec. 16, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST
I know it may not be the right place to mention it...
by RockLobster800
but...umm...its almost wednesday and theres no sign of script girl...I dont want to jinx it...but is there a chance they might have stop posting her vids? Cos if there is....WOO!
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the Myers films were solid..well the first one anyway..if they have to remake a halloween flick it should be Season Of The Witch. Cos that was a mediocre film with a good plotline, and some of it was creepy as hell...so a revamp of THAT I could excuse..you know, just get rid of the crap parts, keep the good parts and fix it. But to mutilate a classic that even the director of the remake admitted was pretty much perfect...whats the point?
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I TOTALLY agree with you. WHY remake "perfect" films to begin with? Oh yeah...money. That's why.
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...but sometimes you have to shout it enough until people listen. Rob Zombie is not a good director. Rob Zombie is not a good screenwriter. Rob Zombie is not a good filmmaker period. <p> When people talk about how good or scary House of 1,000 Corpses is, I ask them what fucking movie are you watching? I mean, he can't create suspense, he can't make believable characters, and he seems only to want to create horrific murder scenes that in actuality are not that disturbing. The movie doesn't make you squirm in your seat because of what the characters are going through; you squirm in your seat because you have to sit through this dreck. <p> And while The Devil's Rejects was a an improvement stylistically, the entire movie is an ode to depraved killers. Hey, tell you what, lets make a movie next featuring the guards at Auschwitz-Birkenau and the wacky way they exterminate Jews, Gypsies and homosexuals. Because the morality of characters is so passe. <p> The sad thing is so many people still praise him as some kind of visionary.
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How about I shout that out? Corpses wasn't too bad, either, the ending just got a bit wacked. If Zombie took the white trash element out of Halloween and added something somewhat more compelling during the Smith's Grove scenes, it may not have been too bad.
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How about I shout that out too? Zombie shows that he has a decent idea of how to construct visuals (some of his framing and shots are interesting at times)...but as a director and storyteller...he's SERIOUSLY lacking.
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Hah!
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Dec. 16, 2008, 4:57 p.m. CST
Why? To see if he can actually make it worse than the last one?
by Darksider
I don't know if that is even possible. Hollywood must really hate Myers enough to put him through Zombie twice. He did die in the last one but since all reason is out the window I guess that doesn't really matter either.
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(you have to imagine me saying it in the voice of a 3rd grader for it to be as effective as possible)
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whenever someone gets raped by a movie, it's probably their fault!
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Zombie's shit is horribly wack...and amateurish
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Please tell me what it is about them that you like. Because I honestly don't get it. I've seen all of his films and I think they're complete and utter garbage, poorly written, poorly shot, poorly acted, poorly directed, poorly edited, etc, etc.
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I suggest we ban together as a film-loving community to make sure it never happens. Boycotts, ads in Variety, protests etc....I am scared The Thing is the next film to be ruined. I can see it now: Throw a couple tough/hot girls and a black rapper in the cast of twenty-something Arctic research scientists. Make a fully digital monster that slaughters people off camera to keep it a safe PG-13! Make sure all the stellar performances, suspense and tension are completely removed from the remake.
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...a talented writer/director. Nope, never. Each film so far has been bullshit. If you think any of his movies have any merit at all, then you're more fucked up than he is. And that's really fucked up.
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...you're right, they are. The problem comes with the non-discerning audience...the 12-year-olds or the mentally or emotionally stunted males who are stuck at the emotional level of a junior high-schooler. To them it's all about tits, gore, and vulgarity. No need for an aesthetic response to be achieved or created by the filmmaker; just give them boobs, blood, and boorish behavior and words and they're happy. Zombie knows it and he caters to it. It's pathetic, really. It also doesn't help that the ADD-addled public in general will lap up whatever crap is tossed their way and smile thinking they've been entertained.
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Spot on. Sadly, his fanbase (who apparently loves dogshit) will be there to support him time and time again. Along with part of the "metalhead" crowd; you know...the ones who are emotionally/mentally stunted and are obsessed with poop, dicks, boobs, and blood. The ones who make you shake your head in disbelief just by listening to them talk.
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Dec. 16, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST
Quint Said it first...Worst Failure Ever is Halloween
by Adrian Marcato
What a shame. How could Zombie turn one of the most methodical, creepy films into a metal slash melee? With great precision. Remember when Quint gave that scathing review of the script last year? The heat he took? Well, Zombie fucked up and alienated his whole fan base that was championing him after House of 1000 Corpses and Devil's Rejects. He screwed the pooch and revealed he could be quite a hack. Halloween is one of the worst movies of last year, insincere and completely mindless. Obviously Zombie's perception of Michael Myers was warped, and he ignored the black eyed shark approach. H2? It will be an utter disaster, and no one, except the WWE crowd will see it. You know, the same ones that made Stay Alive a modest success. Over it.
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They are developing a remake of The Thing. Search for it on IMDB. You need a Premium account to see more details than the fact that it exists. I first heard about it over a year ago, so hopefully there has been no movement on it. I remember hearing it had been relocated to a jungle or an island or something. I guess it's not necessary to point out that The Thing itself was a remake. It's possible for good to come of this, but the law of averages says it won't.
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They are developing a remake of The Thing. Search for it on IMDB. You need a Premium account to see more details than the fact that it exists. I first heard about it over a year ago, so hopefully there has been no movement on it. I remember hearing it had been relocated to a jungle or an island or something. I guess it's not necessary to point out that The Thing itself was a remake. It's possible for good to come of this, but the law of averages says it won't.
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WHY GOD WHYYYYYY
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I DECREE THAT YOU CAN NO LONGER USE EXCUSES SUCH AS 1. "Devil's Rejects was great" IT WAS NOT GREAT, IT WAS A PASTICHE OF MUCH BETTER MOVIES WITH A LOT OF GOOEY SENTIMENT FOR A TRIO OF THINLY DRAWN BULLSHIT CARDBOARD CUTOUTS WRITTEN BY A MAN WHOSE ONLY APPROXIMATION OF DIALOGUE IS TARANTINO MOVIES, GRINDHOUSE FLICKS AND COURT TRANSCRIPTS. 2. "He casts such great genre actors and knows so many great grindhouse flicks" THEY MAY BE GOOD ACTORS AND HE MAY LIKE GOOD MOVIES, BUT HE DOES NOT MAKE GOOD MOVIES 3. "Halloween 2 will be his chance to really shine now that he is not hamstrung by the origin story" OH REALLY? YOU MEAN THE ORIGIN HE MADE UP HIMSELF AND SPENT ALMOST HALF THE MOVIE REDOING TO HIS REDNECK CHIC SPECIFICATIONS? 4. "Rob is a true fan of horror, give him a break" AND I AM A TRUE FAN OF BUTTERNUT SQUASH, BUT DO YOU SEE ME TRYING TO GROW THE SHIT IN MY APARTMENT? NO, BECAUSE I KNOW I CAN'T GROW VEGETABLES WORTH SHIT IN A 1-BEDROOM APT. I KNOW MY LIMITATIONS. UNLIKE ROB ZOMBIE. MOTHERFUCKERS
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But I actually liked Rob Zombie's Halloween, it was a different beast to the original, but Myers was savage and relentless, which is how he should be. Then again I think that The Devil's Rejects is amazing, a total love letter to 70's explotation cinema with a bleak storyline and a kick ass soundtrack. Just my opinion, so don't go calling me the anti christ or anything you crazy kids you.
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that will completely fuck your mind
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Funny...I always thought that Myers' creator (Carpenter) was the one who made the definitive version of Myers...which he did. And his Myers was stealthy, smooth, and deadly. Sometimes forceful...but always a silent, relentless killer...like a shark. So...why is it that Myers "should be" savage?
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What I meant was that when it comes to the kills he should be brutal and mean - he is after all the boogeyman or the personification of pure evil- but I agree that he should skulk in the shadows and move with an eerie silence which I believe he did in parts of the movie. Don't get me wrong, I love the original, I really do and Carpenter's early works are amazing and I will always prefer his version of Halloween, but I really did enjoy Zombie's take on it too.<br> My favourite part in Zombie's film is when Myers let's Danielle Harris' character make it out of the door only to yank her back in again and subject her to a world of hurt. Oh yeah, I also love the part when young Myers puts on the Shatner mask for the first time, I found it kinda creepy.<br> It's not perfect, I prefer Rejects but I still enjoyed it and I look forward to what Zombie has planned next.
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It is quite clear that Zombie's vision for this film was clearly not suited for the Halloween cannon, but he hamstringed himself to try to fit his story into the Halloween template. What he got was a movie that didn't work as a remake nor a movie that worked on it's own merits. I actually think Zombie might have made a much better movie if he just started from scratch and had nothing to do with the Halloween franchise. The worst parts of the movie were the parts that most closely followed the plot of the first movie. <br><br> The second half of the movie was unwatchable. Zombie clearly didn't care about the victims where Carpenter clearly cared about them especially Laurie Stroud. Laurie was someone you rooted for in the first movie. You rooted for her to die in the second. The rest of the teenagers in Zombie movies had the depth of characterization of a puddle. Hence, Zombie just did the cliffnotes version of the entire original movie in about 30-40 minutes. <br><br> I didn't think Zombie raped my childhood. I love the original, but never really cared about people remaking classic movies. I can also judge remakes based on their own merit and don't constantly judge them vs. the orignal (despite the theme of this post). I just felt Zombie really cared about what the original Halloween was all about and it hurt his movie because he seemed to be forced to include certain themes, characters, and plotlines and it was obvious by what he put on screen that he didn't really care about them.
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Especially the first hour of redneck follies. Golly, I've never seen THAT in a Rob Zombie movie before! Jive-talking rednecks! Wild!
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Didn't love it either. I do agree that it wasn't any new territory for Zombie, but it was at least watchable. The second half was an abomination.
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He makes BAD exploitation movies. I mean, as much as QT drives me nuts at times, he at least fines the kernel of inspiration and uniqueness that exist in a B-movie and reveals it to the audience. The sense of hurt and betrayal in a revenge flick, the question of loyalty is a crime caper, the love/hate relationship between master and pupil. Things that might only be hinted at it a B exploitation movie, but they exist and Quentin brings them to the surface for us to admire and see. <p> Rob Zombie takes all those interesting elements and subtext and jettisons them so we can "admire" the worst parts of a exploitation movies - pure mindless drivel. <p>The reason they were exploitation movies is that they "exploited" an easy gimmick or target audience to make up for the lack of budget or talent involved. Great movies were made DESPITE the fact they were exploitation flicks, not BECAUSE they were exploitation flicks. Rob Zombie just makes exploitation flicks - movies exploiting peoples obsession to see crap.
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I was one of the few people who was open-minded about him doing the remake, and to be honest it didn't pan out. I don't think it's quite as bad as most people make it out to be, but it's definitely a failure.<p> But you know what, I was expecting the Weinsteins to hire some nobody to do the quickie sequel. There was even talk it might be straight to video. At least with Zombie doing it you have a guy who has done 1 and a half or so good movies before. And since we won't have to compare it to the original as much maybe it will turn out a little better.<p> On the other hand I was interested to find out what that T. Rex thing was gonna be.<p> Anyway here is a very romantic tribute to HALLOWEEN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGu7r1PsvJk
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As usual.
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..he should stop with the remakes and "homage" shit alltogether.The fucker has potentual, but to redo a redone franchise is a creative cop out.What the fuck happened to the Rob Zombie that had cool songs like Supercharger Heaven? His music hasn't been good since the late 90's and Warzone (from the new punisher "remake")sounded like a rushed song for the movie's soundtrack.<p>Instead of Shalloween, try the Werewomen of the SS or restart that idea for the Crow (A Female Crow character sounds refreshing.)
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That was half-fucking-hearted. When will people buckle down, spit Rob's grubby dick out, and admit that Zombie's simply LIKING good horror films, name-checking them constantly, and being a good interview subject is not the same as his being able to MAKE good horror films?
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I just had to throw that out there. The middle ones with Fat-Elvis Michael waddling around sucked. Reflecto you are spot on. Just liking something doesn't make you good at it. I think people support Zombie because they like his music. That isn't good enough for the rest of us. Zombie has his millions I will not be forced to feel sorry for him if his projects outside of his natural media fails. It's called tough love. It's called get your ass in the studio and out of the directors chair. If you insist on directing then by God stay in the B-Movie pee wee league of filmmaking.
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Halloween 2 isn't that bad- but is to blame for the explaining of Myers. <P>It's light years better than Rejects, HO1KC and Zombie's piss poor Halloween, though.
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Persoanlly, I'd like to see the hospital thing again for the next one. The big problem is (yes, I liked Zombie's first two movies) is that the Halloween remake was really bad. Myers had zero mystique about him. No lurking in the corners, no creepy 'pranks', nothing to make his truly frightening. It was just kill kill kill. The first Halloween 2 followed up part 1 perfectly and maintained that mystique pretty well. The whole "escaped mental patient" and hospital workers glued to the 'outside' events of the world really captured something for the preposterous movie that it was. Unless Zombie does something truly radical with the next one, we're just going to see another bland, soul-less slasher film that may as well be the next SAW entry.
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Apologism is when you defend Nazis or something. All I'm doing is admitting that I kind of like Zommbie's first two movies and although the prospects of this one are not so hot I now think there is a higher chance of it being decent than if the Weinsteins had hired some 21st century Joe Chappelle to do it. It's really not that shocking of a statement.<p> I do agree with your thesis though, and there are plenty of horror movies that seem to me like they get praised just for having references in them (BEHIND THE MASK and HATCHET being the obvious ones). As flawed as Zombie's movies are I think they're way more interesting and effective than either of those, but I've never seen the many people who talk those two up compared to Nazi sympathizers.<p> Also, I'm glad they are calling it H2, because "Halloween" is WAY too many syllables.
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He worked on THE WIRE as a director for years. Frankly at this point I'd take him over Zombie, and that's saying something as any Halloween fan knows. I find there to be a big difference between BEHIND THE MASK (which I felt was like an interactive dissection of the genre) and HATCHET which I thought was utter excrement. Either way someday people will have to come round on Zombie. Perhaps when his sixth or seventh film still features overly broad redneck or exhibitionist (like his Laurie Strode) caricatures.
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Or does Zombie have the worst music selections in his film? Love Hurts? Free Bird? Both of those scenes were laughable.
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Why not remake a crappy movie so it can be better?
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No, I don't think he's a good director, because a good director understands narrative, character development, and dialogue (even though that's mainly the writer's domain). But I do have to say that I appreciate Zombie's aesthetic vision. I have never been a fan of his films, but I see a true potential in them. I think he uses the camera in interesting ways, and I think he has an incredible sense of music. Obviously, that is not enough to make a great movie, but if he was willing to let someone else write the script and characters, I think he could do great things with the visual style of a flick. At least, I'd be interested in seeing it. As for another Halloween, I think he did enough damage with the first one. Let it go - you had your chance and proved you didn't understand the source material at all.
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Great exploitation flick. Never saw Halloween but absolutely Zombie tley hated House. I'm still up for giving another shot.
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I hated house, up for giving Zombie another shot
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I hated house, up for giving Zombie another shot
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