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“I don’t see that happening,” Jack tells Ben in widescreen: The two-hour season premiere airs Jan. 21 on ABC. Episode titles for the first six hours: 5.1 “Because You Left” 5.2 “The Lie” 5.3 “Jughead” 5.4 “The Little Prince” 5.5 “This Place Is Death” 5.6 “The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham”

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  • Dec. 15, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST


    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    Good times man good times..................

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST

    37 Days...Lost Advent Calendar

    by Adrian Marcato

    I can't breathe from holding my breath since the season 4 finale. Let's speed up time already.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    So Locke dies in the sixth episode.

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    Was hoping to see him take control of the others.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 5:35 p.m. CST


    by slone13

    Fuck I love this show

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Damn You Jeremy Bentham

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    Damn You Jeremy Bentham

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST


    by mraig


  • Dec. 15, 2008, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Cool but frustrating...

    by Ponz

    Can't wait for the premiere, but Lost still doesn't allow its characters to act rational. Why wouldn't Jack ask Locke "Why?" "What happened to Juliet & Sawyer?". Or even if he didn't have the chance to do that, why wouldn't Ben ask "Why couldn't he tell you what happened?". It's by far by favorite show of all time, but its damn frustrating when the characters are ambiguous just for the sake of the plot.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST

    So, add Jack to the list of LOST characters...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    ... that have been reduced to pathetic shells of their previous selves - Sayid, Sawyer, Locke, Charlie, Walt's Dad (what was his name?). When your villian, Ben, is the most interesting character something is wrong.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST


    by haggardatbest

    Am I the only one who instantly thought of the Upright Citizens Brigade at first glance of the headline?

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST


    by TheWacoKid

    First of all, YodasBallSack, he is in a coffin at the end of season 4, so I'm sure when it said "The Life and Death" it is talking about how he got there. So we can either believe he is already dead, or not. So the title of the show does not give anything away. Ponz, I completely agree. I love this show too, but it is really frutrating when there are obvious questions that need to be asked, and the characters just don't ask them. I mean, a child would know to ask these questions, but they just don't. That gets a little stupid. By the way, Ben is the best character on the whole show.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 5:51 p.m. CST

    5 weeks! Jack is a great lead character

    by Stormwatcher

    I have never enjoyed and cared about characters on tv this much ever save for maybe Frank Pembleton on Homicide LOTS. Man I just know this season coming will be solid. I have a feeling Ben will die before the season is up though, he knows too much and the last season has to be shaken up with everyone ensure of what to do next.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Maybe Locke isn't really dead?

    by Ponz

    I heard this thrown around somewhere else, but I'm thinking that possibly Locke isn't really dead, that maybe he faked his death as part of a plan of Ben's. I mean, no one came to his funeral, and he used his fake name for the obituary. Just a thought, and I wouldn't put it past Ben to come up with a plan this elaborate just to convince the O6 to get back to the island (and bring him with them). I think this is all a long con to get Ben back on the island.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 5:57 p.m. CST


    by Steve Young

    Jack has always been something of a blank-slate everyman... which hurts the actor's chances at being "intriguing". Matthew Fox is perhaps not the most charismatic actor working today, but he's not 'bad' by any stretch, regardless of what you talkback folks say. Sometimes he's quite good. That said, Ben rules as a character. Absolutely steals every scene.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Ponz may be right...

    by Gorehog

    Hmmm....maybe the guy in the coffin is a Locke-alike?

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 6 p.m. CST

    Hope the show is still good

    by RowdyRoddyStriper

    I am getting nervous the show is gonna start to stink.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    "When your villian, Ben, is the most interesting character somet

    by sethcohen

    Srsly? Are you on crack? Did you find Rachel Dawes more interesting than the Joker, too? And since when is it a shock to discover Jack is now a shell of his previous self? Oh yeah, I remember. May 2007. We spent a whole year finding out how he got there.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Oh shit, Medusa Spider!

    by Ponz

    Looks like the Nikki/Paulo episode possibly wasn't so pointless after all. The show has already introduced a perfect way to fake a death in the Medusa Spider. Locke uses this to fake his own death, book it.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST

    some observations, links, and a Desmond spoiler

    by BilboFett

    Observation first: I am about 90% sure thats Sayid fighting Desmond in that kitchen scene, with possibly Hurley nearby. Why? LOST likes to turn things on it's head, for one. Remember how Desmond and Sayid teamed up near the end of S4? Now, in the present they are enemies, because Sayid is after Penny or Widmore, thanks to Ben. It also sounds like Desmond grunting, although I didn't hear him do a "grunt--grunt--brother!" hehe. :) </BR> Now for the links: cool place-> </BR> </BR> Now for the spoiler: *BEGIN SPOILER* thanks to me accidentally seeing it on youtube, someone has video of Desmond talking to.... Jin's father on his father's boat, just off the dock. I assume it has something to do with Sun and Sayid, and of course, Jin's "death". *END SPOILER*

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    more on the Desmond spoiler

    by BilboFett

    just to be specific, Desmond is in Asia or wherever Jin's dad lives... same boat, same dock as the one Sun visited him on when she found out Jin's father was alive. Same poor fisherman's boat. The video is on youtube caught by some people with a handycam who apparently don't watch LOST very much, if at all.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    my post 2 posts up (or more)

    by BilboFett

    Obviously I wasn't commenting on this specific preview, I was talking about a quick-cut from some of the other ABC trailers for S5

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST


    by freydis

    man oh man getting some Lostness after half a season of Heroes crap is mindblowing. cruel, cruel preview editors.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    comeon Ponz, medusa spider? think about it dude

    by BilboFett

    It causes paralysis that any coroner would recognize. And it wears off after about 4 hours. Are you going to tell me Locke "dies", is examined by a coroner, declared dead, taken to the morgue, then the funeral home, all under 4 hours and all in the same day? Comeon dude.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    by AllieJamison

    Great variation of the main (musical) theme here too.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Jack and Ben in a motel 6 being roomies

    by BilboFett

    That's pretty hilarious, if you think about it. I wonder if they ordered room service? Watched some closed-circuit TV? Maybe took a dip in the pool? Is Jack shaving a sign that he's coming out of his depression? Or he knows its only going to help his cause to persuade his friends to go back? And as far as them being hotel roomies, its kinda wild, because only about a month or 2 before Jack was contemplating letting Ben die on the operating table, and not too long before that Ben was threatening their lives and taking people hostage. WTF.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 6:41 p.m. CST

    John Locke's death...

    by DarthCorleone

    Just because his death is the subject of the sixth episode *DOESN'T* mean that the episode and later episodes couldn't have flashbacks occurring at different, staggered points in the story. It's possible that subsequent episodes could still have more island backstory for the period in between the island's moving and the events we're seeing in this preview.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST


    by DarthCorleone

    Not a month or two before - it's been a couple years on the Lost timeline, hasn't it? Of course, on Ben's timeline it has only been a few months, per the time-traveling Frozen Donkey Wheel, but Ben is the grand schemer and would share a hotel room with anyone for his manipulative purposes.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Ponz & Waco...

    by DeeJay

    ... in one sense, the two of you have a point in regard to the circular conversations between Ben and Jack. However, we've long known that Jack and Ben are playing somewhat of a chess game. By all indications, Ben already knows most of what happened after they left the island (and it went back in time), and was simply trying to ferret what Jack ha already been told. Mr. Linus knows specifics that we may or may not see this season, and he's only telling Jack enough to keep him strung along. By the same token, Jack has his own agenda (related to his father, relatively new-found sister, and all those who trusted his leadership), and I doubt that he's as much of a lost puppy as he's acting. Ultimately, "it's all... part of the plan." Okay--- sorry about the bad quote.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 6:59 p.m. CST

    DarthCorleone re: timeline

    by BilboFett

    No sir. In official LOST time, on the show, the castaways were gone from the mainland about 4 months, from September to Christmas. One year in our time was one month of time on the show. So season 1 = one month, S2 = month 2, and so on. In the beginning of the third month, Jack, Sawyer, and Kate were Ben's prisoners. Ok, let me grant that some months have passed since them leaving the island and getting back, I forget how many they said. If that was your point, then point taken. Got a slice of humble pie for me? I hope it has a crow filling. Well, wait a minute. My main point still stands... I guess. Ok I'm leaving now :)

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 7:07 p.m. CST


    by cohjam

    We already know that the island has regenerative properties. My guess is that Locke will be resurrected when they get him back to the island.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 7:10 p.m. CST

    And in that minute and forty three seconds...

    by NeoMyers

    ...Lost was infinitely better than any whole episode of "Heroes."

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Upcoming Episode Titles

    by XXXHardcore

    5.07 316 5.08 LeFleur 5.09 Namaste 5.10 He's Our You

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST


    by BrightEyes

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST

    NeoMyers: re HEROES

    by BilboFett

    I was gone for all the month of November, and HEROES was locked in on my TivO. I came back, started watching the first few eps, and getting insulted over and over with the massive plots holes, melodramatic acting, breaking of its own universe's rules, not caring about the characters, knowing that if anyone dies they'll just come back... and I just said "I'm done" and deleted all the rest off my tivo. Fuck it. I don't want to be one of those intolerant fanboys, but seriously dude, my opinion of people that LOVE Heroes and think its the greatest thing ever.... they just don't know quality, thats all. And I have to live with that. It's hard. Why do we keep bringing up HEROES in LOST TB? Because people keep pitting them against each other (not my wishes), and people seem to imply if they're already watching HEROES, they won't start watching LOST. They won't give it a chance. That's what bothers me. It frustrates me at what they're missing. HEROES is like a double cheeseburger from the McDonalds drive-thru and LOST is like the 4-course gourmet steak dinner at the expensive sit down restaurant. Sorry, I don't care if Tim Kring used to work with Damon Lindelof or whoever, they're nothing alike. Ok, done venting.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST

    more on HEROES

    by BilboFett

    Sylar is a fucking idiot. I don't buy his motivational changes ONE BIT. Its cartoony. Its a joke. He "reformed" too quickly with the girlfriend, and then he went back to "mr. evil" again also too quickly. They cliff-notes it, took all the emotional justification out. Just said "in this next scene Sylar turns out to be evil, all along, ok? Just go with it. It will pay off, trust us". No, I don't care anymore. I don't care if Peter and Nathan fight each other. Like no one saw that coming. And whats up with Suresh coocooning people? Is that going to be explained? He was sort of "evil" there but kept-down his evilness long enough to try to give people superpowers at the direction of Arthur Petrelli? Eh... I don't care anymore. I'm not sticking around to get answers that are just going to suck or not make sense anyway. Have I mentioned I'm done? One more thing: some people keep saying (mostly those who don't watch LOST or have given up on it out of impatience) that LOST's big giant finale reveal won't be worth it. But heres the thing, the journey was worth it. The characterization, the struggles, the action, the flashbacks, was just fucking awesome. Even if the final payoff for HEROES somehow is decent, the journey there is NOT worth it. Yes, I'm angry. :)

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 7:25 p.m. CST

    attention EVERYONE

    by BilboFett

    its good to have a good LOST talkback going again, isn't it? :)

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 7:27 p.m. CST

    so no one wants to talk about

    by BilboFett

    the Desmond items?

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Cripes, they're telling Locke's "Bentham" story already?!

    by TallBoy66

    For some reason I thought they'd save that for the S5 finale. Episode 6? Really?

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 7:35 p.m. CST

    TallBoy66 re: Bentham

    by BilboFett

    they've got 2 seasons left of the show, and this season is about them getting back.. so... I just assume we see how Locke got off the island, and I guess, why/how he dies... but they could still show more flashbacks from the island and what led Locke to leave the island? Hell, they could even do that in S6. That's what so cool about this show. I mean, we haven't seen Libby since the end of S2, and we're still supposed to find out some big secret about her, or something. DarthCorleone already touched on this, btw.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 7:35 p.m. CST


    by BurgerKing

    Damn you Ben, damn you!!!

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 7:36 p.m. CST

    love this talkback

    by BilboFett

    hitting the refresh button has never been sexier!

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 7:41 p.m. CST

    answers TallBoy66

    by BurgerKing

    Don't fret. The writers have it all mapped out now right, and with people who have always been bitching about answers, now we are getting some (potential) season 4 finale answers only a few episodes into Season 5. It's gonna be a fuckin roller coaster.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 7:58 p.m. CST


    by digitalcos

    So, apparently you're not very familiar with many works of fiction, cause the villain is the most interesting character like, oh... always.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Hey I gotta question.

    by nopix

    Ben apologized to Locke for making his life so miserable. I can't remember, but does this allude to the possibility that it could/should have been Locke as the leader of the island instead of Ben?

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 8:24 p.m. CST

    NoPIX, very interesting

    by BilboFett

    Also remember that Charlotte Lewis was on the island before, and born there?

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Obama has seen the S5 premiere ep of LOST!!

    by BilboFett

    And he wasn't quite sure if it was good, so he called Kurt Russell up on the phone. Kurt started laughing, so then Obama knew it was a good one. MADE YOU READ IT!! HA!

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    Rosseau flashback episode?!

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST


    by J-Dizzle


  • Dec. 15, 2008, 9:12 p.m. CST

    I Watched This Clip...

    by Crow3711

    And then I pants. p HoboCode, I also am seriously interested in the LeFleur episode name. We can only hope it's a Rousseau flashback. LeFleur...I'm no Frenchmen but I assume thats "The Flower"? Could be another Dharma Station, but as we just saw The Orchid (which is a flower) I doubt it. p And BilboFett...that was probably the funniest TB I've ever seen on AICN. Congrats. Caught me completely off-guard.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    And Bilbo

    by Crow3711

    Also, you just got me thinking. If Charlotte was born you think she'll have four toes? The producers implied recently Richard would be "taking his shoes off" in this season, so I hope Charlotte has four toes. That's a weird thing to type.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    crow3711, glad to oblige my friend. Also.. re: 4 toes

    by BilboFett

    So let's say Richard indeed has 4 toes.. or Charlotte.. then what? They're.... aliens? A different race of people... what? See, even if we find out there are indeed 4-toed people in the story of LOST, seems like we've only found out 1% of that story. Kinda frustrating, but also massively awesome at the same time. Just like my best-friend's moms ass.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 9:36 p.m. CST


    by DarthCorleone

    Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. I'm not talking about island time that has passed on the series. I believe bearded Jack and mommy Kate between two to three years after their departure. (See<br><br><br><br>Aaron's size tells you that, and I know at one point they cited a figure. Anyway, it's a minor point. I'll go back up and read your other posts.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST


    by Timahh

    if we beleive that charlotte was born on the island. And she does have 4 toes....well then there's something isn't it.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Regarding eating crow...

    by DarthCorleone

    I was trying to track down the etymology of that phrase for a long time and never did find a definitive answer. Just theories. :- )

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST

    and as far as locke

    by Timahh

    why are people confused about the episode title. Uh we know jeremey bentham is dead. We've kind of seen that. The first five episodes(on the island) will be about what happens to locke and how he gets off the island. Episode 6, he dies as jeremy benthan. Whenever the next sweeps is, locke gets reborn on the island.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Desmond, etc.

    by DarthCorleone

    Yeah, your logic is sound. I do hope they mine plenty from the Desmond-Penny-Ben vengeance storyline. That was one of my favorite moments last season: when Ben showed up in Widmore's bedroom. When the scene began, I was immediately terrified that we were going to get the flash forward of Ben killing Penelope and Desmond. Maybe that will still happen.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    I have four toes.

    by DarthCorleone

    I lost the two big ones in a thresher accident.<br><br>O.k., not really. I wasn't even sure if I wanted that to be the agricultural machine or the shark.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    DarthCorleone, re: timeline, more thoughts

    by BilboFett

    yeah, I'm still here. Keep hitting refresh, enjoying the stimulating conversation about LOST. Hope I didn't piss anybody off about Heroes. Anyways, I thought Darlton *Definitively* said that from the time they left the island until Jack is suicidal is almost 18 months... thats 1.5 years?? I also thought they were going to work in Aaron's and Walt's growth as part of some special-plot importance on LOST?

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Timahh: Locke's timeline...

    by DarthCorleone

    O.k. Maybe the first five episodes will be about Locke's mission off the island and reason for leaving. But what about the two years in between when Locke was the de facto leader of the Others? That story should be told, too, and it seems like there is a lot of material to mine there. That was my point. Or maybe they're just going to compact into a short time given the limited number of episodes they have to work with. I dunno.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    anyone up for speculating on who Adam and Eve are?

    by BilboFett

    If you don't know about Adam and Eve in LOST, see the lost wikipedia.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST


    by DarthCorleone

    I don't know. I haven't scrutinized the minutiae myself. But according to that Lostpedia timeline, they left the island in January of 2005 and the events of the season 3 finale flash forward take place in September of 2007 (or later). When we found that out, I do recall making the observation that even given Kate's unusual pregnancy timeline, Aaron would seem awfully big for his age.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Locke's post-island-move timeline

    by BilboFett

    I bet Locke is on the island for a year, and then either gets kicked off, has to leave for some emergency, or.... something even cooler that I haven't thought of yet. So then I bet he's off the island for 6 months as Jeremy Bentham (also gotta wonder why he had to change his name, if its for some reason other than protecting the "lie" about Flight 815) doing his Jeremy-Bentham stuff.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Darth, Timmah, crow815162342, what do you say

    by BilboFett

    to coming over for the LOST premiere? I'll make killer Nachos. You guys bring the drinks, and maybe a chick or two for me.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Adam and Eve

    by Crow3711

    Who can intelligently try to answer that question? My only real theory is that it's going to be something really trippy, like people from the plane who were shot back in time and died in the caves together or something. It could end being Jack and Kate for all we know. One of the best mysteries from the first season that has never even been referenced sicne. I predict we won't get the answer to that til S6 sometime. It would make for wonderful bookends for the series as a whole, letting something be shown in the first season and answered in the very final episodes, it really would showcase the planning and finesse that this show has in terms of story telling. It would be like unarguable proof of the complete achievement that LOST will be when its completely over. I personally can't wait to buy the inevitable box set.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Bilbo, I really appreciate the invite

    by Crow3711

    But I only watch Lost alone. I'm sure the nachos are great. It's nothing personal. My mom basically hates me because of it. Lost > People.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Adam & Eve

    by slone13

    Rose and Bernard? A black and white stone found in the pockets of the bodies? Rose is black... Bernard white obviously. When the island cures Rose's cancer Bernard said that they would never leave. Just spitballin' here...

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST

    slone13 will be taking brother Crow's place at the party

    by BilboFett

    Heheh. That's an awesome thought, slone, I never thought about that. A tad bit racist though, no? I don't know. I'm remembering Locke playing backgammon with Walt, explaining the black and white forces of the universe, good and evil. Seemed like the producers were winking at us about something.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST

    so this article was posted for an episode that

    by punto

    airs more than a month from now? or did I miss anything?

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Somebody is Lying

    by G100

    Bet on it. Sure Ben lying is hardly a huge fucking stretch of the imagination but Jack looked quite shifty as well so 2 different agendas is probable and Jack will NEVER fully trust Ben anyway.<p> <p>Medusa spider type paralysis is a good call and to those who think faking Benthams death is a stretch, perhaps you missed the faking of the entire Plane crash and hundreds of bodies involved ? BTW do we actually KNOW for certain WHO faked the crash yet ? I could be wrong but it's still a case of who you believe for that of Ben or Widmore.<p> <p>Besides, Jacks Dad's state of deadness in a coffin hasn't stopped him from becoming Jacobs proxy so that may be Lockes fate and may even be what he WANTS.<p> <p>Some pure speculation here but I think they are going to start dropping hints about old smokey this series as some of the more "out-there" concepts in the show are going to need more than a few sudden sentences of exposition and will have to be slowly introduced to make them more "believable". (In the terms of the LOST world that is.)<p> <p>Desmond is gonna be up and about for a while yet even if he and Sayid do clash. There's a reason for him and Penny beyond the obvious love story aspect. (that might have been alluded to already as Adam and Eve but might also be something quite different to fuck with us)

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 11:03 p.m. CST


    by BilboFett

    you coming? Maybe you could take care of ordering the pizzas?

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Anyone ever get tripped out on what they wrote here a long time

    by Stormwatcher

    Like when you begin to type something and your old posts load in. That's it.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST

    well wait a minute

    by BilboFett

    That Blue Blood poster-thingy looks cool as all hell. Forget LOST--this is my new passion. Especially that first girl in the foreground with the jacket that looks either cross-eyed or has a deformed head!

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Guyinthebackrow is right. Lay off him.

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    Seriously. When a show hinges on a BAD GUY, you know it's just not strong enough to hold up on the ligher side of moratliy. The history of pop culture has proven just this. Take these for examples: Alex Delarge, HAL 9000, Darth Vader, Bill the Butcher, Hannibal Lectur, Richard the Third, The Joker, Daniel Plainview, Anton Chigurh, Norman Bates, Nurse Ratchad, Alien, Predator, Jason, Freddy, Jaws, Travis Bickle, Hans Gruber, Dracula, Harry Lime, Jack TOrrance, etc. YEP. TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Ponz: The Island, and death

    by smackfu

    the way the Island and death work, is the Island is in kind of in an isolated bubble, separated from regular time. So for example, if Locke dies in 2007 and the Island is still in 2004, or the seventies, or whatever, Locke will become alive again as soon as he passes that barrier. This is why Jack's father is alive on the Island after dying in the present. It's also why Ben and Widmore are both invincible, and know each other are invincible. Because they both have used the Island and 'hopped off' in the past, and know they can't die until their 'real timeline' death far in the future. It's also why Nestor Carbonelli pops up in various points in the past. As he and Ben once discussed the subject of celebrating their birthdays 'I lost count a loooong time ago'.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST

    oh, and guyinthebackrow

    by smackfu

    if you actually think Ben is the 'villain' of the show, you really aren't paying attention, at all. He's kind of in charge of guarding something a little more important than the comfort and well being of a few dozen crash survivors. And you may have noticed that they've pointed out several times, whenever anyone gets into a fight with Ben about morals, that he's actually a lot cleaner than the 'good guys'. <br><br> You see there is this thing called 'perspective' and since we watch the show from the perspective of the crash survivors, we see the Others as the bad guys. Season 3 and 4 went on to show events from the Other's perspective, and how they feel the need to control the castaways with fear and deception to keep them out of their business. And when their machines can cause EM anomolies that get detected from the other side of the earth, and teleport the island through space and time, don't you think maybe the Others have a pretty reasonable viewpoint? That these castaways present a possible threat, that having loose cannons stumbling ass-backwards into the most powerful phenomena and technology on earth might have dangerous consequences? <br><br>The villain? Sorry man, you're just dumb, plain and simple. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 11:49 p.m. CST

    I hope Jack dies this season

    by slimballs

    Matt Fox is shit

  • Dec. 15, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    smackfu just laid the smackdown

    by Crow3711

    Ben may not be a saint, but he's no villain, not by a long shot. He's "villainous" to people who threaten him and what he protects. That's a big difference.

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Season 5

    by Tocksick

    I can't wait for season 5. Although I have to admit I was a little underwhelmed with the Season 4 finale. It was good but just average for a Lost episode. Plus I couldn't help but compare it to Season 3's finale which was one of the best episodes of the whole series. So the big question for next season is HOW did the islane move. Did it move through SPACE or TIME...or maybe both...

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 12:39 a.m. CST

    the show really doesn't hinge on Ben, or "the bad guy"

    by BilboFett

    As many of us have said, and Darlton has said, its really Desmond and Penny. They are the center. The Constant was heralded as possibly the best episode of LOST to date, and was rated as the #1 television episode of 2008. Ben really had nothing to do with it. Jack is kind of a "fake" protaganist. Desmond is the pillar of the island, of time travel, and the fate of everyone. He's the humble hero in the background that is the show's constant. Of course Jack will be in the final episode, I only hope Desmond will be as well. On a completely different note, as a struggling actor, I think its absolutely fucking fantastic that the actor who plays Ben was originally signed up for about 2-3 episodes max and they enjoyed his performance so much he just became a huge major character. Jaleel White (Family Matters) eat your heart out!

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 12:41 a.m. CST

    some spoilers about the fate of the island people

    by BilboFett

    *BEGIN SPOILER*: there's been set reports of Sawyer and Faraday decked out in full Dharma uniforms... so obviously they went to the past. The question is... do they have amnesia? Are they going to run into younger Ben? I also think I saw a shot of Jack with a flashlight in a cave dressed in Dharma clothes. Any comments guys? *END SPOILER.

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 12:46 a.m. CST

    smackfu, some thoughts on time travel and death

    by BilboFett

    Do you really believe Jack's dad is truly alive in the corporeal sense like you and I are? (I mean, I assume you are.. spooky!) because if he is, then where on the island has he been hiding during the little wars, people wandering around the island, Russeau, the Others, etc? Isn't it more something like what Charlie said to Hurley? "Yes, I'm dead. But I'm REALLY here." I think its like a dimensional thing.. they're dead, but.. present. Probably Claire's fate (died when the Otherton house fell on her). I do, however, think Locke will be back, either resurrected or in Christian-Shepherd-Charlie form. On another note, wouldn't it be SO FUCKING AWESOME if in the season finale we get to see Boone, Libby, AnaL, Mr. Friendly, Shannon, Eko, Alex, Karl, etc. all return somehow, even if in ghost form? DARLTON MAKE IT SO.

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Jesus H. Christ, how great is Michael Emerson?

    by AnnoyYou

    He's like the NPH of Lost - he just rules so hard. And even though I hate Jack as a character (self-righteous asshole), Matthew Fox is getting better looking as he ages - that beat-down thing really suits him. Can't wait 'til January 21st.

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Eating Crow...

    by gotilk

    This is my favorite:<br> <br> <br> <br>

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Episode titles have been confirmed for 2/3 of the season.

    by DisneyFanatic

    5.01: Because You Left<p> 5.02: The Lie<p> 5.03: Jughead <p> 5.04: The Little Prince<p> 5.05: This Place Is Death<P> 5.06: The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham<p> 5.07: 317<p> 5.08: LaFleur<p> 5.09: Namaste<p> 5.10: He's Our You

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 3:33 a.m. CST

    AnnoyYou re: Jack being self-righteous

    by BilboFett

    I agree with that though. But I think thats an inseparable quality linked to him being the hero. I really do believe he cares about people, and wants whats best for everybody. I think he is brave and always way too hard on himself. Hence him willing to crash on another plane just to get back to the island to save his friends. Lets give Sawyer some credit too though for sacrificing himself on the copter ride back (I think it was mainly for Kate, who he truly loves).

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 3:35 a.m. CST

    DisneyFanatic, re: episode titles

    by BilboFett

    5x07 is 316, not 317.

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Lost and found

    by masteryoda007

    The first few seasons were quite interesting but the lasseason was fucking excellent. The new writers they brought on-board were bloody great! Great acting , story and direction. I will be tuning in came January 21st.

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 5:17 a.m. CST

    I can't wait to see Ana Lucia back

    by BigGuy219

    Michelle Rodriguez was the best member of the cast and I'm glad she's doing a guest appearance this season. It's going to be the best episode in years.

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 6:28 a.m. CST

    "It's got a hint of coconut in it.

    by smackfu

    And something else. But that's part of the mystery"

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    If it is a Rousseau FB it could be the name of her science vessel.

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 9:12 a.m. CST

    "La Fleur"

    by Ribbons

    French for "The Flower" = something about The Orchid? Plus it's pretty much been confirmed that 'the sickness' Rousseau referred to was the same thing that was going on with Desmond and Fisher Stevens last season. Anyway, just figured I'd throw that out there...

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Funny thing is I can suspend disbelief about

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    an island moving, and all the other little eccentricities about it. What I can't suspend disbelief over is the two minute intro. Not this video, but the one that was, and may still be at (Spoilers beware) Slimy lawyer shows up at Kate's house demanding a DNA sample from her and the kid, and that he has a court order on behalf of a client he can't name to determine their relationship. Sure, someone can go to a judge, and ask for a DNA order, and get it without the other party's involvement whatsoever.

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST

    speaking of widescreen...

    by TheSeeker7

    Is this show EVER going to broadcast in widescreen even on non-HD channels? Geez, I mean practically half the dramas on TV (at least) are nowadays, and if there's a show it seems fit for, it's gotta be Lost! I can watch Law & Order in letterbox, but not Lost? WTF?

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Wanna see all this LOST sneak preview stuff earlier?

    by Cheif Brody

    This clip posted yesterday, along with all sorts of spoilery and non-spoilery LOST Season 5 goodies. Check it out here and feel free to leave comments: <p>

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST

    All these talkback comments ...

    by Itchy

    and no one has made a prediction yet on which cast members will get busted for DUIs this season ? Ridiculous. Also, bring back Goth Claire immediately. Hottest chick on the show - ever.

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST

    I think that I read

    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    a casting thing for The Little Prince that was asking for some French people, so I think that might be the Danelle backstory?

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 1:44 p.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    Maybe. Although that episode takes place in Tunisia I believe, which is a former French colony. Lookign at the casting call for LeFleur it doesn't have any French speakers, which hurts the Rousseau theory. It's the first episode with Amy/Michelle Dessler but it doesn't saying anything about her speaking French.

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Grammaton Cleric Binks

    by Gydyon

    Actually, it can happen in extraordinary circumstances, such as when the other person is a flight risk and therefore if you tell them you need DNA first they'll run. Which they obviously would be able to prove with Kate. Of course, it's more likely those people were fakes hired by ?? with the express purpose of getting Kate to run.

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Gydyon, are you a mindreader and a

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Lloyd Alexander (RIP) fan, or Welsh? I was thinking the same thing. I don't think it's real. I think they dangled a carrot, and she took it. The villains so far have done quite well on their own. I'm pretty sure they don't need the sheriff.

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Ben hired that guy to get Kate's DNA

    by Greenleaf1

    At the end of season 4, Ben says "maybe he can help" with getting the rest of the O6 to go back. This is just his way of getting Kate (and Aaron, which I'm sure Kate won't want to do after Claire told her not to). And it's not like we don't all know that as soon as Locke gets back to the island that he'll be "reborn" a la Christian Shephard. Maybe he has to die. Rather than him being the chosen one to take Ben's spot, maybe he's the REAL chosen one to take Jacob's spot. Jacob wants to pass on to the afterlife, but can't until he finds someone to watch the island?

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Lost in a nutshell: Daddy Issues

    by Stormwatcher

    Think about it, how many characters have daddy issues? Stop for momemt and actually give it some thought. Almost all of them, Jack, Locke, Sawyer, Jin, Sun, Ben, Kate, Hurley, Desmond (Penny's dad) it goes on man. Also, Jack is great, he's a flawed, damaged man who cares and IS a hero. I think he's one of my favorite leads in a show ever, which means great in a thankless role as we always love the side characters.

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Possible spoilers

    by Taklamakan

    After things Darlton have said, and various other tidbits I've seen, the island has travled back in time. I am very much looking forward to any revelations that Sawyer, Juliette, Locke, et al., set events in motion (on purpose or accidentally) that may have lead to their being on the island to begin with. i.e., the source of Ben's many lists, the painting of the Juliette lookalike on Ben's wall, which will perhaps be a painting of Juliette from Ben's childhood, etc.

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    more pseudo spoiler

    by Taklamakan

    and with Darlton's statements about whether there would be more flashbacks or flashforwards this season, and they said perhaps "flash" will no longer be a suitable word, I'm thinking we'll see Rousseau's backstory as it happens, observed by Sawyer and the Gang. Should be very interesting this season.

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    anyone else think when Ben said "we'll never know"

    by Maniaq

    he ACTUALLY DOES KNOW but said nothing in that typical scheming way Ben manipulates the truth? <p> whoever said Ben is not the bad guy - I beg to differ! <p> maybe The Wid is worse than Ben or maybe just maybe HE is the one we should be rootin for and the one who has sworn to KILL his daughter (you remember his daughter right?) is actually the "bad guy" ? <p> now, I will be the first to admit this show doesn't quite work with such simplistic broad strokes as "good guys" and "bad guys" but I have been maintaining - literally for years now - that BEN IS EVIL! <p> to once again return to my SW analogy, he is fucking emperor Palpatine assuring everyone they are in grave danger and they need to trust that he has their best interests at heart by amassing a fucking great army, all the while planning the destruction of the one group who can stop him - who he has everyone convinced are the real problem, not him...

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Locke will come back to life...and am i the only one who wants r

    by Jor-El23

    for ben? i love him as a villain but something is compelling me to want to see him become good

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Jack and Ben Bunk Buddies?

    by frakthetoasters

    Conspiring? Planning? I can't wait. But I am pissed that Emilie will not be on this season. Claire is still stuck in the moving shack with the ghost of her dead father.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:16 a.m. CST

    Maniaq, name 3 evil things Ben has done

    by smackfu

    And the killing Widmore's daughter doesn't count because a) he's obviously been pushed to the brink by the murder of his daughter b) eye for an eye vengeance was part of Hammurabi's Code, aka the birth of the human legal system, and was also promoted by the Bible, and is still used in some parts of the world today. While morally and legally questionable, it can't be pigeonholed as 'evil'. c) he hasn't actually done it yet

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Four "evil" things Ben has done.

    by HoboCode

    1. Sending Juliet's beau on a suicide mission out of jealousy.<p> 2. Kidnapped a child from his father.<p> 3. Forced Michael to betray his friends so he could have surgery on his spine. 4. Shot Charlotte in cold blood.<p> 5. Killed his father.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 6:49 a.m. CST

    I mean 5.

    by HoboCode


  • Dec. 17, 2008, 8:07 a.m. CST


    by cocolopez

    ...for what is probably the very last episode of Brotherhood coming this weekend?

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST


    by smackfu

    *Charlotte was wearing a bullet proof vest. Ben obviously knew. 1. Sawyer murdered Tom in cold blood after he surrendered. Ironically, when the situation was reversed 'evil' Ben only had Tom pretend to shoot Sawyer. 2. Sawyer murdered Locke's father by strangling him to death. 3. Michael, after being sent to free Ben from the Hatch, and chooses to execute this task by murdering 2 of his fellow castaways. The Others later clarify 'no one told you to kill anyone. That was YOUR decision.' 4. Sayid engaged in the torture of several Others, including Ben, and even his own companions. When the situation was reversed, Ben did not physically torture Kate, Jack, or Sawyer. 5. Locke murdered Naomi (knife in the back) The number of Others killed by Castaways greatly, greatly outnumbers the castaways killed by Others. Some of these are direct self defence, but the majority of them are cold blood. So my point would be, why would you consider Ben to be evil and not Sawyer for example? Or Kate, she's a convicted murderer. Sure, they all had 'reasons' to do what they did, but so did Ben.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    again, with breaks

    by smackfu

    1. Sawyer murdered Tom in cold blood after he surrendered. Ironically, when the situation was reversed 'evil' Ben only had Tom pretend to shoot Sawyer. <br><br> 2. Sawyer murdered Locke's father by strangling him to death. <br><br> 3. Michael, after being sent to free Ben from the Hatch, and chooses to execute this task by murdering 2 of his fellow castaways. The Others later clarify 'no one told you to kill anyone. That was YOUR decision.' <br><br> 4. Sayid engaged in the torture of several Others, including Ben, and even his own companions. When the situation was reversed, Ben did not physically torture Kate, Jack, or Sawyer. <br><br> 5. Locke murdered Naomi (knife in the back) <br><br> The number of Others killed by Castaways greatly, greatly outnumbers the castaways killed by Others. Some of these are direct self defence, but the majority of them are cold blood. So my point would be, why would you consider Ben to be evil and not Sawyer for example? Or Kate, she's a convicted murderer. Sure, they all had 'reasons' to do what they did, but so did Ben.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Oh yes !!!

    by pumaman

    If I can get chills from a 1 minute snippet of a show that gives us a look at a grown man shaving, while chatting to another man, then by Moses's scraggly ass fluff , this is the best tv show in the history of the universe.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:24 a.m. CST

    What castaways did to The Others is justified

    by Jor-El23

    Because they're at war and it's a war started by The Others. The Others kidnapped castaways, killed Scott (or is it Steve), tried to kill Charlie, killed that dude from the tail section...they started the war and the castaways are responding in kind.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST

    In my opinion, Ben is the opposite of an anti-hero

    by The_Squid

    I suppose you would call that an anti-villian.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Maniaq & Smackfu

    by DeeJay

    Maniaq... I agree in regard to Ben knowing, and that's what I wrote in my prior post. Smackfu... Linus ordered the deaths of numerous people who--- in large order--- simply wouldn't obey him. The castaways only wanted to be left alone long enough to leave the island, and he wouldn't even give them that (remember that *he* is the one who ordered the point of first contact). Do we even know if the men he killed in the desert were actually criminals? Many of us *assumed* that they were predators, but how do we know they weren't officers of the law (and that Linus isn't a "wanted" man)? Let's also not forget that, after killing Juliet's lover, he told her she "belonged" to him, and wouldn't allow her to leave the island, either. Those are Charles Manson-like actions, fellow poster...

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Markings on "Smokey's" Wall

    by DeeJay

    Does anyone have an idea as to what language the markings are on Smokey's wall (the one that Ben tinkered with before he "summoned" it)? Also... isn't Charlotte, or someone else, supposed to be either a linguist or cryptologist?

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Ben knew Charlotte was wearing a vest?

    by HoboCode

    Whatever. Why did he bother shooting her then. He craved another vicious beating from Sawyer?<p> And I wasn't arguing that the losties don't have blood on their hands, I was only pointing out the 'evil" shit Ben has done becasue someone offered the challenge.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:54 a.m. CST


    by DeeJay

    ... as you can tell from my prior post, you'll get no argument from me. By the way... isn't Linus the only Lost character, so far, to literally shoot a man in the back? I don't recall Locke wearing a vest, in that episode...

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Mark my words...

    by buckarez

    Jack = Jacob

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Jacob is Hanso.

    by HoboCode

    That's my guess.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 2:36 p.m. CST

    LOST is my constant...

    by turketron

    Fucking show is CAN'T MISS television. I don't know if I even want to watch this video... It's blocked from work.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    SUPERNATURAL recommended ep guide for those to catch up

    by BilboFett

    This has been brought up in other talkbacks, but I am posting it here because people are asking and I'm afraid they may not see it in the other TB. Basically, people are done with HEROES and are seeking out other shows like Supernatural and LOST. So here's the recommended cliff-notes viewing guide for those checking out Supernatural: S1 pilot, S1x4-5, s1x9, s1x11, s1x14, s1x16, s1x20-22. So there's 10 out fo the 22 to watch from S1. Now for S2: s2x1-4, actually, nevermind. I was going to add ep 5, 6, 7, up through 10, and thats halfway through the season already. Just watch those 10 from S1 and start on S2 and just go through it. You may be able to skip eps 11, 13, and 16-19. All the others are important to the overall arc or further develop mysteries and secrets about the brothers, the dad, the demon, etc. From that point on just watch all of S3 and keep going. So I saved you from watching 12 episodes of S1 and 6 from S2. Fair enough? If you find you love the show, go back and watch the ones you missed. There's some REALLY good ones in there. Scary, dramatic, sad, funny, etc.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Jacob is Magnus Hanso, the pirate captain of the black rock

    by BilboFett

    Stranded on the island in some other dimension. Its possible Richard Alpert was on that ship as well. Look at the way Jacob is dressed... full pirate beard, and wearing Jerry Seinfeld's puffy shirt. And Alpert is dressed in old-world pirateish-shipish garb when he meets boy-Ben in the jungle

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST


    by BilboFett

    Please please please please please give us a black-rock flashback. We need that swashbuckling pirate lore errol flynn style. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. We hardly have any LOST episodes take place at sea, or on a moving ship where water is a factor. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. We need it!!

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 4:29 p.m. CST


    by DeeJay

    ... interesting point about the Black Rock. You first have to wonder; why did that ship have so much dynamite? Maybe it was their cargo shipment... I guess we'll eventually find out. You then have to wonder; how many people know about the dynamite's existence? Faraday (and maybe Charlotte) wouldn't have any way of knowing... so this might be something Sawyer could later use to his advantage. Whatever the case... I'm just hoping that Jacob (the bounded guy whom Locke can "hear") isn't Locke's father, and that his "house" isn't somehow a part of that ship.

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Wait a Minute... Jacob/Locke's Dad?

    by DeeJay


  • Dec. 17, 2008, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Im Sparticus

    by Maximus Prime

    I mean Jacob

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 1:32 a.m. CST


    by 4we8have15to16go23back42

    This is from IMDB, which might not always be reliable, but this looks right. <br> <br>5.04: The Little Prince All main cast, *including* Daniel Dae Kim (Jin). Supporting: Nestor Carbonell (Richard Alpert), Mira Fulan (Danielle Rousseau), Melissa Farman (Young Danielle Rousseau), , Guilliaume Dabinpons (Robert), Marc Menard (Montand)

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 8:39 a.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    Wow. Good find. I stand corrected.

  • Dec. 18, 2008, 7:51 p.m. CST

    I still think Jacob will turn out to be Jack.

    by smackfu

    they are the only 2 people who have had the phrase "a great man" used to describe them. Also, Jack's Tattoo says 'he walks among us, but he is not one of us'. And Jack's full name could very well be Jacob, we've never heard what Jack is short for. The fact that Christian Sheppard hangs out in his shack would also make more sense if it's Jack.

  • Dec. 19, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST


    by DeeJay

    Yes... but isn’t Jacob also “deceiver” in some languages? Doesn’t Jacob also seem to be bound (chained) to the chair he rocks on? Doesn’t Jacob look to resemble Locke? Would his father’s newfound conscience not explain why the island was so quick to heal Locke (right after the accident) while it allowed so many others to perish right around the same time? Moreover, what’s so special about Locke that he can hear Jacob, while most others can’t? Heck; couldn’t Locke’s father be a former drinkin’ buddy with Jack’s? We already know that Jack’s father had “another” life that was immersed in drinking and infidelity, so spending time with shady characters who push people out of windows and shoot innocent men wouldn’t be too far off the mark. I’m not standing by this theory... I’m just saying that it’s viable...