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The Question Of Whether Abrams' STAR TREK Is Truly Canon Has Been Answered...Sort Of...


Merrick here...


There's been a great deal of confusion, on a variety of fronts, regarding the nature of J.J. Abrams' STAR TREK.

Is it a reboot? A "reimagining"? Is it "prequel" in the literal sense, or figurative sense? Even from the trailer, certain elements of the movie don't jibe with what's been established before...is this reckless oversight? Or, is there a method to the madness?

TrekMovie has an interview in which Anthony Pascale, the site's overlord, attempts to corner TREK co-writer/Executive Producer Roberto Orci regarding the new film's approach to, and impact on, established TREK canon/continuity.

KNOW THERE ARE SPOILERS IN THE PIECE, but nothing too significant if you've been following the film at all, or seen its trailer (which can be found HERE).

Anthony: OK, now let’s get really into it. From the trailer, and certainly from the four scene preview, there is no doubt that things are different. Pike and Kirk are hanging out in a bar. The ship looks different. Kirk is on the Enterprise and not headed to the Farragut. People are seeing Romulans…things are different. Now it has been revealed in the Entertainment Weekly article that Nero goes back in time and attacks the Kelvin, and JJ also talked about this during his previews. So the big question is: Is the destruction of the Kelvin, the canon reason why everything is different?

Bob: It is the reason why some things are different, but not everything is different. Not everything is inconsistent with what might have actually happened, in canon. Some of the things that seem that they are totally different, I will argue, once the film comes out, fall well within what could have been the non-time travel version of this move.

Anthony: So, for example, Kirk is different, because his back story has totally changed, in that his parents…and all that. But you are saying that maybe Scotty or Spock’s back story would not be affected by that change?

Bob: Right.

Anthony: Does the time travel explain why the Enterprise looks different and why it is being built in Riverside Iowa?

Bob: Yes, and yes.

...reveals THIS DISCUSSION at TrekMovie. There's much more explanation (or confusion, depending on how awake you are & how thoroughly you've mastered Quantum Mechanics) in the piece, so be sure to jump over & check out the whole shebang.

What I'm, taking away from this is: Orci & Co. approached TREK canon, found a plot device which allowed them to deviate from/reshape expected canon... without really deviating from canon...because said plot device originates from the "normal" TOS/TNG timeline... automatically making both the plot device, and the impact it has (i.e. a reshaped timeline), canon.

Or, something like that?






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by henrydalton
Dec 12th, 2008
11:17:33 AM
Who cares if it's canon, as long as they put
by henrydalton
Dec 12th, 2008
11:19:15 AM
deus ex machina
by vampirepacman
Dec 12th, 2008
11:20:23 AM
I like star trek
by nukethefridge
Dec 12th, 2008
11:21:32 AM
Nerds!
by loodabagel
Dec 12th, 2008
11:21:59 AM
Yes! 5th.
by Sappers Forward
Dec 12th, 2008
11:22:10 AM
Really.
by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Goode r
Dec 12th, 2008
11:22:20 AM
Crap...
by Sappers Forward
Dec 12th, 2008
11:22:33 AM
Couldn't they have said this months ago?
by photoboy
Dec 12th, 2008
11:22:37 AM
Trekked out
by I AM ROCKO
Dec 12th, 2008
11:23:49 AM
There better be humpback whales in this movie
by SoylentMean
Dec 12th, 2008
11:24:33 AM
My brain is kinda hurting from thinking about this...
by The Dum Guy
Dec 12th, 2008
11:26:30 AM
Star Trek never followed its own continuity...
by Kasch
Dec 12th, 2008
11:26:35 AM
Deanna Troi semi-n00dz
by the new transported man
Dec 12th, 2008
11:28:44 AM
Cannon(ball comin'!)
by BGDAWES
Dec 12th, 2008
11:31:21 AM
Christ I just HATE time travel!
by Kid Z
Dec 12th, 2008
11:32:44 AM
the new transported man
by Bouncy X
Dec 12th, 2008
11:35:23 AM
Trailer looked fun
by Oliver Queen
Dec 12th, 2008
11:39:52 AM
And you didn't already figure this out?
by telecomplainer
Dec 12th, 2008
11:48:23 AM
Jesus, I've explained this so many times...
by Fawst
Dec 12th, 2008
11:49:06 AM
Won't they just get Hiro to go back in time and fix it all?
by Bob Cryptonight
Dec 12th, 2008
11:49:20 AM
Oliver
by optimus122
Dec 12th, 2008
11:49:30 AM
I'm satisfied with this explanation
by bravogolfhotel
Dec 12th, 2008
11:50:25 AM
see nerds acting too soon
by BurgerKing
Dec 12th, 2008
11:58:16 AM
So the villain in this movie is Old Biff ?
by SomaShine
Dec 12th, 2008
12:06:13 PM
Who cares about canon if the movie is good?
by Charlie_Allnut
Dec 12th, 2008
12:07:51 PM
EGO
by MattHooper
Dec 12th, 2008
12:08:20 PM
Did he explain why there is an Apple store on the bridge?
by g-ride9000
Dec 12th, 2008
12:09:35 PM

by g-ride9000
Dec 12th, 2008
12:09:40 PM
so the future is sin PCs?
by g-ride9000
Dec 12th, 2008
12:10:16 PM
So does time travel explain why...
by bobjustbob
Dec 12th, 2008
12:14:22 PM
I live and work in Iowa
by name818
Dec 12th, 2008
12:25:17 PM
Anyone who read Byrne's THE MAN OF STEEL understands revised can
by SpyGuy
Dec 12th, 2008
12:26:53 PM
Wow, So Viral.
by Knobules
Dec 12th, 2008
12:30:29 PM
Why Does It Matter?
by Sean38
Dec 12th, 2008
12:34:06 PM
Who cares if its canon? I just want a GOOD Film....
by j2talk
Dec 12th, 2008
12:34:19 PM
Star Trek 90210
by JonRD463
Dec 12th, 2008
12:37:31 PM
Canon is overrated (sarcasm)
by GeorgieBoy
Dec 12th, 2008
12:41:02 PM
Want to see FINNEGAN beat "the tar" out of young Kirk.
by YotzVonFrelnik
Dec 12th, 2008
12:41:04 PM
For all those Canon nuts What happened to Saaviks&Spocks baby?
by j2talk
Dec 12th, 2008
12:42:19 PM
name818 - that's WHY he signed off
by AdrianVeidt
Dec 12th, 2008
12:50:20 PM
Also...
by AdrianVeidt
Dec 12th, 2008
12:51:16 PM
This explanation satisfies me
by ballyhoo
Dec 12th, 2008
12:57:07 PM
I FUCKING HATE TIME TRAVEL
by Bass Bastardson
Dec 12th, 2008
12:59:00 PM
The alternate timeline choice is fine
by reflecto
Dec 12th, 2008
01:00:05 PM
trying to please everyone and ending up pleasing nobody
by Nasty_Nick
Dec 12th, 2008
01:00:10 PM
I was under the impression....
by Arcangel2020
Dec 12th, 2008
01:01:03 PM
Shorter AICN
by Aquatarkusman
Dec 12th, 2008
01:01:13 PM
Time Travel is a copout
by yodaismyhomie
Dec 12th, 2008
01:02:04 PM
canon, non-canon and off-canon
by mrbong
Dec 12th, 2008
01:09:47 PM
Hmmmm
by DrWhat
Dec 12th, 2008
01:12:48 PM
As I said in the other Talk back, as long as it
by Ingeld
Dec 12th, 2008
01:17:25 PM
I don't like the reasoning, but I don't really care anymore.
by JustyHakubi
Dec 12th, 2008
01:18:35 PM
I don't care about nit-picky canon complaints
by geodesigns
Dec 12th, 2008
01:19:47 PM
I think it's cool...
by MJohnson
Dec 12th, 2008
01:20:34 PM
Who the fuck cares?
by Spamgelus
Dec 12th, 2008
01:22:25 PM
bad/inconsistent writing = lack of canon
by awepittance
Dec 12th, 2008
01:24:52 PM
does marty.....
by krod
Dec 12th, 2008
01:25:02 PM
'because of the awesome theory that is quantum mechanics'
by oisin5199
Dec 12th, 2008
01:25:07 PM
Uh...GeorgieBoy...
by MJohnson
Dec 12th, 2008
01:26:45 PM
Canon Fodder
by Kauzi Sezso
Dec 12th, 2008
01:31:33 PM
JJ Abrams doesn't give a fuck about Star Trek Canon!
by Leafar the Lost
Dec 12th, 2008
01:34:02 PM
This will be in IMAX
by backn1981
Dec 12th, 2008
01:39:36 PM
This interview reminds me ...
by macheesmo3
Dec 12th, 2008
01:39:55 PM
Leafar the Lost
by just pillow talk
Dec 12th, 2008
01:42:02 PM
Who gives a fuck if its canon.. its a reboot
by bongo123
Dec 12th, 2008
01:44:14 PM
GOD, if someone says "canon" ONE more time....
by kgreene
Dec 12th, 2008
01:46:14 PM
If canon doesn't matter..
by Dotren
Dec 12th, 2008
01:46:56 PM
I have a big CANON in my pants...
by just pillow talk
Dec 12th, 2008
01:49:45 PM
SO WHEN HE SAYS ITS CAUSED BY TIME TRAVEL-
by alice 13
Dec 12th, 2008
01:58:21 PM
NNNNEERRRRDSS!!!!!
by Emperor_was_a_jerk
Dec 12th, 2008
02:02:55 PM
I don't want to hear about Quantum Mechanics...
by bobjustbob
Dec 12th, 2008
02:09:24 PM
So...
by my liege
Dec 12th, 2008
02:10:13 PM
Canon? All I want is a GOOD Star Trek film!
by Powers Boothe
Dec 12th, 2008
02:26:39 PM
Took the words out of my mouth, Powers
by MattmanReturns
Dec 12th, 2008
02:31:37 PM
Damn You Michael Bay
by MCMLXXVI
Dec 12th, 2008
02:34:48 PM
So its a sequel?
by jamestewart007
Dec 12th, 2008
02:37:39 PM
DUDE, YEAH WE KNOW
by ImJustSaying
Dec 12th, 2008
02:44:52 PM
Time Travel is a weak plot device but at least it is not a holod
by islander
Dec 12th, 2008
02:47:34 PM
Time Travel is a weak plot device but...
by islander
Dec 12th, 2008
02:49:05 PM
To quote Picard, "what sort of meaningless doubletalk is this?!"
by Cotton McKnight
Dec 12th, 2008
02:52:33 PM
File this under W for Who gives a shit?
by sott68
Dec 12th, 2008
02:56:20 PM
Cheesy tribal tat Romulan went back in time
by Dingbatty
Dec 12th, 2008
03:00:27 PM
It's a SPREQUEL
by chromedome
Dec 12th, 2008
03:06:55 PM
If you think it's CANON but it's SNOT...
by chromedome
Dec 12th, 2008
03:08:02 PM
I love...
by MichaelCorleone
Dec 12th, 2008
03:10:03 PM
Time travel in a Star Trek movie????????
by disfigurehead
Dec 12th, 2008
03:11:31 PM
Well...
by richievanderlow
Dec 12th, 2008
03:23:35 PM
Spock...
by Stunt Vocalist 709
Dec 12th, 2008
03:30:52 PM
What Mr. Orci is trying to say is...
by BurnHollywood
Dec 12th, 2008
03:39:49 PM
What are we, five?
by kesoze4
Dec 12th, 2008
03:50:39 PM
**Spoiler**
by Embeedeuce
Dec 12th, 2008
03:52:52 PM
OK but One important thing should not be left out...............
by Riley Martin
Dec 12th, 2008
03:59:29 PM
If it makes money, the canon changes
by kabong
Dec 12th, 2008
04:07:22 PM
Powers Boothe
by Klytus_I.m_Bored
Dec 12th, 2008
04:08:38 PM
The difference between a Geek and a Trekkie?
by Leafar the Lost
Dec 12th, 2008
04:11:34 PM
I think I speak for all the Trek fans
by Sithdan
Dec 12th, 2008
04:17:26 PM
Translation
by BackwardGalaxy
Dec 12th, 2008
04:21:11 PM
Orci is DOUBLE HACKED.....
by conspiracy
Dec 12th, 2008
04:35:10 PM
They should cut everything that is not Trek canon
by kabong
Dec 12th, 2008
04:54:48 PM
How long did it take to shit out this "explanation"?
by Drath
Dec 12th, 2008
04:56:33 PM
Why not just make their own movie?
by Wonderthump
Dec 12th, 2008
04:58:49 PM
This is going to be a DISASTER
by kwisatzhaderach
Dec 12th, 2008
04:59:38 PM
So there is a canon, non-time travel timeline
by NoHubris
Dec 12th, 2008
05:03:57 PM
bravogolfhotel
by codymr
Dec 12th, 2008
05:16:52 PM
I think there are two reasonable responses to this film.
by rbatty024
Dec 12th, 2008
05:17:03 PM
No Care looks AWESOME!!!
by FILMFUNK
Dec 12th, 2008
05:17:17 PM
I dont know about this movie.
by Omegaman
Dec 12th, 2008
05:19:07 PM
I'm going to remake Star Wars but in my version
by kabong
Dec 12th, 2008
05:19:13 PM
So does this now mean Kirk might survive?
by Shan
Dec 12th, 2008
05:25:23 PM
It's not canon. Here's why...
by Freakemovie
Dec 12th, 2008
05:26:48 PM
You know Kabong...
by rbatty024
Dec 12th, 2008
05:37:21 PM
Uhura's still hot...
by NivekJ
Dec 12th, 2008
05:37:50 PM
SULU: "EN GARDE!"
by BringingSexyBack
Dec 12th, 2008
05:41:11 PM
Enterprise...
by darthwaz1
Dec 12th, 2008
06:13:36 PM
So this is a Vague PreQuel?
by ThaJackaL
Dec 12th, 2008
06:18:09 PM
Trek is dead...May Trek Live Long and Prosper
by j2talk
Dec 12th, 2008
06:19:06 PM
BSB: you forgot...
by MCVamp
Dec 12th, 2008
06:23:22 PM
a wizard did it
by Geekgasm
Dec 12th, 2008
06:33:24 PM
A majority of these opinions, I predict...
by JumpinJehosaphat
Dec 12th, 2008
06:42:55 PM
Here's a question I haven't seen asked ...
by Shan
Dec 12th, 2008
06:46:29 PM
Deanna Troi's canons...
by Little Beavis
Dec 12th, 2008
06:51:44 PM
Lets get out of here before one of those things kills Guy!
by MEMEOVORE
Dec 12th, 2008
07:04:06 PM
Post-TOS series were made.....
by geodesigns
Dec 12th, 2008
07:29:29 PM
So GET A LIFE!!!!
by geodesigns
Dec 12th, 2008
07:31:15 PM
Why send yourself back in time? Just send nukes DUH!
by Damien Chowder
Dec 12th, 2008
07:45:25 PM
So Spock is out to save Kirk, again
by aboriginal
Dec 12th, 2008
08:23:43 PM
People are talking about temporal science as if it was real?
by Smashing
Dec 12th, 2008
08:50:42 PM
"time travel...would fuck up all existence"
by Bill Clay
Dec 12th, 2008
09:05:02 PM
"Send lots of nukes to as far back..."
by Bill Clay
Dec 12th, 2008
09:07:59 PM
So I Guess Kirk is still alive in this new Canon
by DarfurOnTheRocks
Dec 12th, 2008
09:22:58 PM
They're doing a Donnie Darko
by Shan
Dec 12th, 2008
09:54:31 PM
They just lost me.
by Therealumlaut
Dec 12th, 2008
11:02:06 PM
Simon Pegg
by Lashlarue
Dec 12th, 2008
11:09:37 PM
Damn you MCMLXXVI
by Lamerz
Dec 12th, 2008
11:37:31 PM
Here's an idea...
by FarSky
Dec 13th, 2008
12:07:02 AM
khaaan !
by Staldo
Dec 13th, 2008
01:00:00 AM
From James Cameron, director of ALIENS and T2...
by Motoko Kusanagi
Dec 13th, 2008
01:56:58 AM
Could MCMLXXVI be ...
by Shan
Dec 13th, 2008
02:47:17 AM
Who cares when AVATAR will be the worst movie of 2009
by TOGSolid
Dec 13th, 2008
02:47:32 AM
you know there's an old saying
by Whitemouse
Dec 13th, 2008
03:33:38 AM
I don't remember...
by Whitemouse
Dec 13th, 2008
03:35:21 AM
Time travel is fucking gay!
by warghost
Dec 13th, 2008
05:51:14 AM
Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Goode r
by warghost
Dec 13th, 2008
05:54:56 AM
So then how exactly could we do a "Doctor Who" movie?
by Shan
Dec 13th, 2008
07:43:58 AM
Does Spock die?
by Smashing
Dec 13th, 2008
08:56:32 AM
Quantum Mechanics = Studio Excuse
by adiehardfanwithalethalweapon
Dec 13th, 2008
09:03:14 AM
Perhaps instead of bringing this to the theaters...
by rbatty024
Dec 13th, 2008
09:43:21 AM
Damn you Michael Bay
by admiraltigger74
Dec 13th, 2008
09:49:05 AM
So is Orci trying to say...
by bobjustbob
Dec 13th, 2008
10:00:40 AM
And in some universes AICN has an edit function
by bobjustbob
Dec 13th, 2008
10:03:32 AM
The earlier
by Lain Of The Net
Dec 13th, 2008
10:13:10 AM
Shut up
by admiraltigger74
Dec 13th, 2008
10:42:43 AM
young kirk is wearing air jordan 23's
by Westonian
Dec 13th, 2008
11:34:42 AM
"Quantum mechanics"
by I Hope You Die
Dec 13th, 2008
12:10:53 PM
"try to kill your grandfather you will fail..."
by Bill Clay
Dec 13th, 2008
12:27:47 PM
I WOULD HOPE A 23RD CENTURY POLICE CRUISER
by BringingSexyBack
Dec 13th, 2008
12:54:15 PM
Just slap a "Star Trek" label on any POS.
by kabong
Dec 13th, 2008
04:20:47 PM
Novikov self-consistency principle
by EverythingEverywhereStinks
Dec 13th, 2008
04:50:04 PM
Time travel is a cop out.
by mrfan
Dec 13th, 2008
05:06:47 PM
Time travel is a cop out.?
by TOGSolid
Dec 13th, 2008
06:21:13 PM
Can't say...
by codymr
Dec 13th, 2008
07:07:58 PM
most of ST never happened
by Staldo
Dec 13th, 2008
07:42:53 PM
The only Canons I care about
by jackofhearts29
Dec 13th, 2008
09:52:20 PM
Time Travel Can't Explain Chekov
by Mike Hunt
Dec 13th, 2008
11:09:33 PM
As others have stated, they should've just
by Dingbatty
Dec 14th, 2008
12:55:34 AM
Given that they're using time travel...
by bellwether
Dec 14th, 2008
08:32:23 AM
they're just playing with the star trek nerds
by punto
Dec 14th, 2008
12:48:05 PM
I with you jackofhearts29
by geodesigns
Dec 14th, 2008
02:46:33 PM
Scrambled Star Trek
by Barry_Woodward
Dec 14th, 2008
04:20:24 PM
Scrambled Star Trek
by Barry_Woodward
Dec 14th, 2008
04:20:35 PM
JumpinJehosaphat...The difference is this...
by conspiracy
Dec 14th, 2008
04:38:09 PM
Time Travel? Excellent!
by MonkeyLord
Dec 14th, 2008
04:38:46 PM
i don't have a problem with this explanation
by smudgewhat
Dec 14th, 2008
06:20:28 PM
Don't care
by Wydok
Dec 14th, 2008
07:55:17 PM
MOTOKO KUSANAGI...
by Shadow Warrior
Dec 15th, 2008
02:07:45 AM
Who cares
by grendel69
Dec 15th, 2008
07:51:43 AM
grendel there is no time travel in Star Trek 6.
by Smashing
Dec 15th, 2008
08:05:01 AM
SO BASICALLY...
by tailhook
Dec 15th, 2008
04:18:07 PM
Canon aside, it's not faithful to original concept.
by kabong
Dec 15th, 2008
05:16:29 PM
I am glad it is not faithful to the canon
by Razorback
Dec 15th, 2008
05:29:38 PM
Razorback Has It Right!
by Real Deal
Dec 15th, 2008
09:28:45 PM

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