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January Actors Strike To Deflate OSCARS??
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From Variety:
SAG announced Wednesday that it had set Jan. 2 as the date for sending its strike authorization ballots out to its 120,000 members. Results will be announced Jan 23 -- a full month before the Feb. 22 Academy Awards.
The membership could vote "no," but if it votes "yes" will we see a cancellation of the Oscars? When the Screen Actors Guild struck in 1980, the Emmys went on, actor-free except for Powers Booth.
Find all of Variety’s story on the matter here.
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this is ridiculous
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but I dont want to get into all that again
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Cos I would have looked like a tool
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What the fuck is wrong with these pompous Hollywood pricks? Jesus Christ these people piss me off.
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Dec 10, 2008 7:29:36 PM CST
As the greatest living director Roman Polanski said...
by jackpumpkinhead
...to an actor/actress (Depp?) doing the primadonna routine on the set: "Those 2 million you're getting, more than everyone else in here for doing less than anyone else in here - that's your damn motivation!"...
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That must have been a pretty empty place, so I guess he got a good seat.
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Fuck the Oscars.
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Dec 10, 2008 7:36:26 PM CST
At least a strike wouldn't prevent Ledger from receiving his Osc
by kid idioteque
Too soon?
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Perhaps it will slow the shitfest from Holloywood for a few weeks. Then maybe something original and interesting will fall through.
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seriously, one year without this fucking excuse for me to buy a bunch of expensive cheese and get wasted with my friends on a sunday night is only going to convince the entire nation that WE DON'T MISS IT AT ALL. Here's hoping Hollywood's next, after the credit and auto industries collapse.
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Figures.
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Dec 10, 2008 7:51:49 PM CST
What? Are we to be without the hilarious one liners and exchang
by prunkhaft
My world has gone gray.
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actors want more money? and they are going to strike during a recession?
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Dec 10, 2008 7:57:00 PM CST
Don't give a shit about Oscars, do give a shit about TV and movi
by maxer
Last year blew with nothing new coming out. Gah.
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not every single member of SAG is a million dollar making celebrity. there's many, i'd even say the bigger majority are all these no name people trying to make it big.
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To the actors that "made it"... Go Screw!!!!!!!! You're rich, quit whining.
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It's about time the Oscars get deflated. On the other hand, when the Apocalypse is approaching next year, as I've heard, I'll be in need of my constant fix of movies and tv more than ever. So ... fuck the Oscars! The only thing I fear for is my entertainment. If those guys think it's important for them to strike, though ...they shall strike.
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I'm not sure a lot of the more daft among us understand that there is just no plan in place for the people who actually CREATE the shows and movies we watch to make any money whatsoever off internet deals. And if you are like me, then you watch 90% of your television online. That is just fucking ridiculous. If you can't get down with there being something wrong with that then check your soul at the door, you don't need it.
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With the movie industry doing well despite the recession, this is a horrible time for rich actors to complain about cash. SAG should be panned for suggesting this doing america's tough economic times.
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Don't be douchebags. The economy is going into the crapper, this is literally the WORST TIME you could possibly pick to strike. When people are struggling to keep their jobs and pay their bills, how do you think they are going to react to seeing people who make a 100 times what they do going on strike to demand more money. Sober up, take a look around at the world your in at the moment, realize you have it pretty sweet all things considered, and save this fight for another day when a) it's relevant and b) it's not a slap in the face to the tremendous ## of people with REAL PROBLEMS right now.
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for an audience strike.
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let's hurt the American economy even more!
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Haven't watched a TV network in almost two years. The writers got screwed on this same very deal but they partied and were happy when their "waste of time" strike was over. I'm sure the Actors will get a good deal though... after all they are the beautiful people and not the ugly old writers who aren't worth a dime.
And the Oscars are a crock of shit anyways. If a fellow filmmaker can tell me a crummy "artistically worthless" trophy means more to them than fan recognition they are out of their minds.
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Because it's those 20+ mil pay checks that certain stars get that make it hard to really sympathize with this one. They should demand fewer megastars get such large salaries and even out the pay checks more...hahahahahaha, yeah, I know, I like to joke about feeding the poor too...
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I'll make a movie for you all to watch during the strike. Just tell me what you want to see...
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So acting isn't a real job? What constitutes a real job? Are the only "real jobs" those that people in Palin's "real America" work? How about the studio suits on the other end of this strike, do THEY have real jobs? Is it just that those who come in here to bitch about actors getting "real jobs" are just miserable jealous losers who just shit-talk anyone who actually made something out of their lives and want to use their influence to help their ensure their less successful peers are actually treated fairly?
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I lost my job a month ago. I've been doing a lot of freelance work, but I'm making very little nowadays, and I get EXTREMELY pissed off to see all these renown actors out on the picket line trying to gain sympathy for their swollen wallets. I'm in the red so bad, that I'm considering filing for unemployment, at which point I remind myself that I should just work a little harder. I wish SAG would just do the same.
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Now what are these arrogant foreign baby adopters complaining about? Now what are these starbuck drinking paparazzi magnets complaining about?
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for some of that internet money
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More economic spending in foreign countries, will help ease some of the pain of the global recession in those countries. US economy will be even more screwed.
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yeah, GET A REAL JOB. If you aren't making enough money live by acting, GET A REAL FUCKING JOB and stop bitching.
I'm not saying that to people with steady acting gigs, cause let's face it, they are getting paid. I'm saying this to Waiter #2 on CSI. Right now, acting is your HOBBY...get a real job til acting can be your full time job.
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Dec 10, 2008 9:15:52 PM CST
Christ, as long as they finished filming Season 7 of 24, I don't
by tallboy66
Losing more LOST will suck huge, true, but I'm used to it being short.
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Dec 10, 2008 9:18:59 PM CST
watching the uber-wealthy stars marching in a picket line
by rainbowtrout1265
if the "average" rank and file actors want any kind of public sympathy, they will keep the big names off the picket line. nothing looks sillier than millionaires marching and chanting awful slogans.
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I love the oscars. I'am an oscar fanboy, and seeing the stars on that big day is a real treat for me. Fuck this strike, and everything it represents. The fact that they are planning on striking during an economic crisis, is really fucking stupid. :(
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There is no such thing as a "Wannabe actor". There are "unknown actors", even "struggling actors". Those are the people who would benefit from this strike, not the Johnny Depps and Will Smiths of the world. As a member of the WGA who is not widely known at all, and as my girlfriend is an unknown actress at this point in her career, I fully support this strike as openly and as fervently as I supported the WGA strike. It will, if successful, only serve to make things better for the Richard Speights and Eddie Aldersons of the world. And Waiter #2 on CSI is still a professional actor, you know. People don't get paid for their hobbies -- except for maybe people who design websites for a living -- and that one actor probably gets a colossal amount of extra work and day-player stuff that still leaves him wanting for money. If it fails as much as the WGA strike, I will feel a great swell of sympathy for those unknown actors. I know their pain; hell, my writing job right now is pro bono, and paying the rent in Manhattan is a bitch. And besides, everyone knows Snake Eyes was cooler than Storm Shadow.
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just pick the worst movie last year and the Oscars will pick it as the winner.Could somebody please clarify something for me? We were informed during the last strike over and over again, and rather snottily I might add, that the only people that matter in Hollywood are they writers. So why are the actors striking since they don't matter?
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I can't wait for The House Bunny to win Best Picture! And no one ever said that the only people who matter in Hollywood are the writers. That's not true. If it were, Jericho would still be in production, Terry Gilliam would have filmed his take on Watchmen at least fifteen years ago, etc. If anything, the *importance* of the writers was highlighted, not their status as King of the Castle. Because if they were indeed top of the heap, then who the hell were they striking against? We were obviously striking against the executives who had the power to change things. You know, the ACTUAL people who claim to be the only people in Hollywood who matter (although their status as "people" is, in fact, debatable. I have it on good authority that Les Moonves is a Terminator).
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Regardless of whether or not a strike is worth it, this is a terrible time. I'm not privy to the negotiations but either the actors or the studios need to get off their fucking high horses and talk like civilized adults about this fucking thing because the people who will suffer from the strike are going to be all those production staff, grips, assistants, etc, who will have nothing to do and gain zero from the strike.This whole fucking situation is bullshit from top to bottom, regardless of who is in the right here. WORK YOUR SHIT OUT PEOPLE.
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Before this gets all silly with "the noble actor" crowd and industry workers in dire financial straights like myself start at it. -
First, the timing is off. By the time they count the votes for authorization, it will be like Feb. and most of the TV shows affected will already be in the can. It wouldn't affect the summer movies at all. Second, it only applies to SAG and not AFTRA, who shows will continue. Third, SAG is already somewhat divided because of the acromonious board elections they held recently. And I seem to remember a "no strike" clause written into other unions contracts so they aren't legally allowed to enforce work stoppage because of a SAG strike, even if they do support them.
This a bargining tactic, nothing more. It's not even that good of one. So those disingenuous AMPTP fucktards are going to get thier way without negotiating AT ALL and all you jealous bitches can go back to feeling like you could do anything that actors and writers could do if you just got your "break". -
I lost my job due to the last strike and do not feel like having that happen again. Besides, you going on strike will NOT look good to entire world, given today's financial climate.
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The public was glad to support the writers because they're the little guy. Most people see actors as overpaid, so you can expect minimal public support if SAG is actually dumb enough to strike. Millions of Americans are unemployed, and you working bitches can't pay for your island in Fiji? Waaaaaa!
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go back and check out the Talkbacks from the last strike. Many snotty fols who claimed to be writers and a few actual writers(who have credits in thier name) said just that.
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Post proof.
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That is all.
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Heroes had its second-lowest rated episode of the entire series Monday night. 275,000 fewer viewers than the night Elle bought it in one of the most pointless, worthless TV character deaths this side of Rosalind Shays taking the nestea elevator plunge on LA Law back in the day.
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alone, as in no public support, if that's what they really believe in, then more power to 'em.
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People can claim to be whatever they want to be on the Internet, even to the point of impersonating whoever they want. There is no actual verification that any WGA member posted as his or herself in any talkback to my knowledge. In other words, I could claim to be a member of the cabinet of the President of Paraguay. That doesn't mean I actually am. And even if any actual screenwriters committed the egregious and outlandish mistake of saying they were the most important people in the industry -- and I'm not going to go back and check because it is a stupid, fruitless and pointless exercise -- one should never judge the loud, self-righteous few when they in no way represent the majority, especially when they claim to.
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now pay me MORE!!!!!!
I mean shit, even athletes have ridiculously strict training and require lots of skill in their sport. Sure, actors get in shape for roles but woo-wee reall tough -
now pay me MORE!!!!!!
I mean shit, even athletes have ridiculously strict training and require lots of skill in their sport. Sure, actors get in shape for roles but woo-wee reall tough -
Jordo, please, please, please show me direct me to Ona Grauer's giant estate in Maui. I'd love to see how she live in the lap of luxury, surrounded by naked cabana boys who fan her with all her hundreds of millions of dollars. And BurgerKing, acting is not one of the easiest jobs in the world, not at all. I suggest you try it for a year or two and tell me you still feel the same way.
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Lots of typos in that last post resulting from an earlier, longer version. Please ignore them.
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First off, I don't support a strike. I just don't. The problem with this scenario is that neither party will budge. It's a pissing game. No winners. SAG fucked up negotiations... as did the studios. Both sides have their points.
A strike doesn't just halt awards shows, executive bonuses, productions, etc. It costs the national community billions of dollars. The grips, construction crews, restaurants, catering companies, hotel owners, electricians, etc. etc. etc. Negotiations are key... and both sides fucked that up, especially the "leaders" of SAG.
But for you people who say that you could care less about the $20 million a film stars wanting more money? Idiots. This isn't about them. And if you ever see them in support of their union it's because they use their faces in this celebrity driven world to fight for their fellow guild members. Not the fellow big stars... but the people that aren't making the kind of money they are. Big check stars represent 1% of the guild. Beyond that you have the B-Level and C-Level stars that make pretty good money. After that, we're talking people making anywhere from $5,000 to $60,000 a year give or take.
So people, realize that every time you see a person onscreen, either with one line, a few lines, even no lines... THOSE are the people we're talking about here. Those are the people to support. No frickin' different than the mechanic or line worker for an auto company.
So please, enough of the "I could care less about so and so movie star making more money than they already do". You sound like uneducated idiots when you say that.
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Sorry guys, but they can, especially for those that are struggling and those that have had their careers cut short due to injury and such. And as far as the 'Acting is Easy' crowd is concerned, if it was easy everyone would do it, most people I know that acted in high school and decided to try and make it in the biz gave up after a couple months of rejection. It's not an easy route for anyone.
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I'm not saying that all actors are Oprah rich, but that's how the public will perceive it if they go on strike during a recession. If the average person opens up Us Weekly, he or she probably won't think "Man, these people sure have it tough!"
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Well, the public is largely moronic. What do you expect?
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I wouldn't go so far as to say "moronic" - although, what the hell are you public thinking, not watching Pushing Daisies, getting it cancelled, arrrgh! - because that is kind of the sweeping statement that Xiphos seems to be using as a fact. It's hard for people to take writers and actors seriously because they are disposable entertainment. And I mean disposible in that most of the general public can choose when they are going to turn off the TV or close the book they are reading and it's not going to effect their day to day life all that much. And I think that attitude tends to culture disrespect. You can call them "Creative Talents" but much like you can call whores "Escorts", everyone is still just working stiffs.
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Moronic was probably an overstatement. "Uneducated" and "uninformed" are probably better words to use. I tend to overstate my case when I get passionate -- which is probably a very bad thing.
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Damn, guess they'll have to hire young new talent.
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We should go on strike and not watch any of their bullshit. Without us watching their shit they would be out of work. Is there going to be a strike every year?
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Just do it without 'em. The only reason I watch it is out of curiosity for the nominees and who wins... but more importantly I watch it for the montages! MONTAGE!!!
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and has been out of steady work for over a year, a strike at this time would not be a smart move.
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...before they made Pink Panther 2. Seriously who cares? I'll just continue to watch great movies on dvd. And I'm sorry but I can't get to worked up about the majority of the actors who don't make 20 mil, cause they WANT to make 20 mil. Maybe next year a couple more will, and a few more will be discovered. And yeah, I'm facing a layoff myself and can't quite sympathize. that being said, couldn't care less if they captured the oscars EXCEPT would like to see Mickey Rourke finally get his due, even if it's just a nomination.
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I can't even bother to explain how fucking stupid saying that "Rich actors are complaining!!! BLARGH!!" is. The level of ignorance one needs to type something like that is just off the fucking charts. This isnt what this is, I doubt explaining it to you would help, just trust me on it.
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Dec 11, 2008 1:43:20 AM CST
Another reason for FOX to rush more already shitty films into de
by power_girl
And DragonBall isn't even out yet!
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So we get even shittier shit from FOX.
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then fuck 'em. There is no convincing or explaining anything to anyone that unfathomably stupid anyway.
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It feels like they've had 5 years to film this season. Do they have it done? Will they before the strike? Other than that and Lost, I don't give a shit.
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...when AVATAR is fucking our eyeballs in 2009!!!!!!!!!!!??????
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I would expect people on a movie site to have a little bit better idea how the industry works. The average SAG member doesn't work enough as an actor to support themselves by that alone. The vast majority of SAG actors don't work enough to get their insurance through the guild. The Will Smith level actor is a very very small part of the guild's membership. The idea that SAG actors are all multi-millionaires is a fantasy, most are starving artists. This is why I think the strike vote won't pass.
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I feel like I've wasted my life if I don't watch at least 30 hours of reality tv each week. Why would I want to live real life when I can watch Who Wants to Marry a Diseased 80's Rockstar? In closing Deadlies Catch is the only reality show worth watching. That shit more or less is real.
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TV moguls realized that cheap "reality" shows rendered the big bucks. Among the consequences: the public abandoned prime time! Shows were subsequently cancelled, prompting pink slips; huge forfeiture of jobs. Wow, writers, nice job: this turned into disaster of Rosie O'Donnell proportions. TV brass will schill entertainment bereft of SAG influence; and the public is eager buy it.
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my eyeballs cant wait!!!
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Dec 11, 2008 3:58:52 AM CST
So we'll have American Gladiators and Bono hosting the show.
by ricarleite
Gonna be a better show. Believe me. 1 hour long, straight to the point, no cringe inducing jokes or musical moments.
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Btw, I really like your choice of name! ;-)
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the same deal as the DGA and WGA negotiated and turned it down. SAG is just greedy at a time when greed is certainly not good. Many of them may live in La-La-Land but can they really be so out of touch?
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they aren't striking because they want more money! They're striking for the same reasons the writers struck, in this day and age (as Dr Horrible's sing along blog proved) internet video is a big deal and a lot of shows already use it. So the actors wanting a better deal on the internet video they take part in makes perfect sense. You arrogant fucks amaze me, really Fuck Hollywood? What will you watch if hollywood did disappear? Because foreign film seems impossible as the lot of you seem either racist or illiterate (that means you can't read for those who struggle with words of more than two syllables) And hate to say it but without the big hollywood movies none of the indie flicks you supposedly adore wouldn't have financial backing and wouldn't get made.
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Dec 11, 2008 5:32:49 AM CST
The reason why people are saying "rich actors want more money"
by amy chasing
is because this article is about how the actors strike could see an Oscars without actors. The actors you usually see at the Oscars are the rich ones, hence the jump to that conclusion.
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SO I'll have to call most of you fucking stupid. Yeah, it's a strike to get Will Smith more money. Not the poor bastards who work like a motherfucker, get harrased, take other jobs, trying to make it as an actor. You guys are so distanced from the real world, it's embarrassing. Maybe one day they'll make a comic where the lesser Transformers form a union or something, and you'll get some kind of idea what it's all about.
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OK, so the problem is we have 1% making bazillions and the middle class working actors getting screwed the Internet.
So, since Hollywood is so Left, and "taxes are patriotic", how about we institute a revenue sharing scheme?
Sean Penn gets $20 million for his next film. Well, we'll just pay that money to SAG and they can divide it up amongst their members. Sean will get his fair share.
It is communal. It is fair. It solves the problem of wealth being accumulated by the few. It equalizes everyone regardless of the discrimination of the studios and the viewers (wanting Sean more than the out of work SAG member).
It shows the World that Hollywood believes in the values they preach.
I think we have a winning solution.
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Let us never forget the beating Sean Penn laid down on his wife, Madonna, years ago.
No amount of taking a 4 man boat out in Katrina (with, (1) him, (2) a _personal_ photographer, and (3) a journalist) can make up for that. And then Sean Penn's boat had a hole in it, which he had to bail with his little red cup.
See, it is actually possible to use the words "Sean Penn" and "hole", without the intervening word "ass". And, many thought it couldn't be done.
Well, Sean at least when you're bailing out your boat you aren't beating your wife.
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they've been offered the same terms for internet participation that the directors and writers wanted and got and the SAG negotiators turned it down without even putting it out to the union members for a vote. They could already have helped the scale-paid actors who would (and i know many as i work in the industry) have jumped at the chance to get that deal but there's pressure on the negotiators and SAG leaders from the higher paid talent because they have even more to gain. Many actors do not support this strike and think the deal that was on the table should have been made but could be forced to not work at a time when they can ill afford to. Those throwing the word ignorance about should look at what they are peddling.
On the point about indies not getting financed without the big movies, i call bull. Sure, sometimes it's studios backing them (the Revolutionary Roads etc) but many great indies are made every year without a dime of studio or Hollywood money and endless fantastic films come out of Japan, Korea, Europe, etc every year. Waltz With Bashir, Ponyo On The Cliff By The Sea, I've Loved You So Long, Somers Town, The Class, The Wave, Gomorrah, Of Time And The City, Hunger, Let's Talk About The Rain, Slumdog Millionaire (picked up by Fox, not funded by them), The Reader (Weinsteins not major studio) and Woody Allen's European funded Vicky Cristina Barcelona are amongst the best films of the year. I can think of maybe three studio films in the same league in 2008 - WALL-E, Dark Knight and Revolutionary Road. -
...showing up at those pathetic picket lines in which a bunch of waiters and waitresses are schleping around a tight circle singing 'We Shall Overcome'. The Pampered Ones make a flimsy show of Solidarity for the benefit of the cameras, then beat a hasty exit back to their Range Rovers before one of them gets an opportunity hit them up for a part in their next flick.
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is fucking suicide, especially one (and this isn't meant to denegrate on the effort put in by these people) in the Arts/Entertainment field.
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this will get the public support the writers strike did.
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For those sad fucking Jane's and Joe's who have been trying for 10 years to at least get a walk-on in a Jell-O commercial?
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So let's see, 150 thousand SAG members. Will Smith makes 150 million per film. Each member gets a thousand dollars, including Will Smith. Not bad, if you consider he's just one actor. The average sallary would be something like 3 thousand dollars a month. Will Smith and Tom Cruise would not be able to pay up to eliminate their Thetan levels and mansions, let alone security (because God knows everyone wants them killed). Big actors would form a separated guild, or quit the SAG. So, in a nutshell, those fuckers are the ones to blame. If I see Tom Cruise or Will Smith at a picket line, protesting, I'll never fucking watch a Hollywood movie again.
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But you know it wouldn't fly for these people. They're "liberals" in the sense that the want to tell people how to live, but they don't follow their own advice. How many of these idiots say, "Drive less, or not at all," while flying their personal jets from their house to Taco Bell.
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Because you know this year is going to be nothing more than a prop 8 whine fest (which I oppose prop 8, but when I watch a movie awards show, I watch it for the awards, not the condescending political messages).
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First, it gets old with people posting that they belong to the SAG on this site. You have no way of proving that. This is the internet. Anyone can be anything and shouldnt be trusted. Give it up trying to convince people otherwise. Second, go ahead and strike. Won't bother the majority of people. People in society today have many other things that they can be doing.People are tired of it. Third, has any of these so called actors heard of getting a second or third job? Are they struggling that bad? Many rely on their so called acting abilities. Good luck with that one. Also, didn't the contract expire in July? I could be wrong. If so, I apologize. If not, then what the hell didn't they get started on this earlier.Finally, my last point may piss of people but aren't the studios the actors employers? Shouldn't they appreciate any job that is given to them whether it be doing a toilet paper commerical or starring in a big movie? If you don't like the way a studio works then maybe you are in the wrong kind of business.
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Because as we saw from the writers stike it just leads to more reality shows (and now Jay Leno at 10-11). And as far as movies go, when Wall-E is winning best picture awards from critics associations, actors should be getting scared, because big hollywood is going more and more CG.
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Maybe, just maybe, if the SAG started policing their own a little bit the studios will have more money to pay the "smaller" actors. With douchebags like Will Smith making over $150 million per picture on a back-end deal, it's no wonder the studios don't have the money to pay anybody else. There's only a finite amout of money to go around, and if the big names are gobbling it all up with an insanely huge paycheck in the beggining and then an even bigger insanley huge paycheck at the end (which the public usually doesn't know about), do you honestly think they've got enough money to pay the lesser known guys? No, they do not. So, maybe if SAG started cracking the whip on their own guys before asking for a handout, the public might have some sympathy for their plight. But right now, it's l;ike the CEO's of the big 3 auto companies flying to DC on their private jets to ask for more money. Sure, the actual factory workers need that money, but the knee-jerk reaction to the actions of the CEO's is "fuck those guys. They shouldn't get a dime."
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... did it take a strike to make the Oscars boring? Prepare for more shitty reality TV. I wish they'd have just had the strike last summer, but i get the sense that they have a MUCH better bargaining position now given the economy and the fact that the public has gotten used to having scripted TV back after the glut of Reality TV last winter. Go get em actors! (And cave fast studios!)
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What if a SAG actor decides to just sit on his ass all day? Would there be a quota of how much work he should be doing? What if he can't get any work?
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Plenty of photo ops for wealthy actors (similar to the failed Writer's strike). Ample "thumbs-up" activity, serving coffee, more posturing; then they'll all retreat to their limousines (Tom Cruise will pose with Katie Holmes--and then return home to his real "wife").
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it's getting a break and hitting it big that's the hard part. Acting is NOT a real job...it's just doing what all little kids do (playacting) but getting paid to do it.
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I haven't given a rusty fuck about them one way or the other since Bill Murray was snubbed for a nomination for his performance in Rushmore.
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You can use the excuse of, oh I can't leave the set because if I can't make it back it will hold up production, but can't you just bring a sack lunch????
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Actors residing in Beverly Hills who rake in 30 million dollars a year have no sympathy from me. Not while so many working Americans are facing destitution during these difficult economic times. Why doesn't Middle America strike? Where's our bailout?
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...for TDK. I think we can safely bet the Oscars will likely be the same. And if it gets no other major awards at the Oscars but Ledger's performance, I doubt they'll give the dead guy a statue.
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.....I could see the Oscars not happening as being the straw that breaks the strike. I mean. They like to be congratulated by their peers right and all say things like "great work people" and cry and stuff and get free bags of Armani suits and watches and stuff.
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Fuck the studios.
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Nothing better than overpaid actors striking during an economic recession. Might as well kill the TV and film industries as well.
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Dec 11, 2008 9:22:33 AM CST
D.Vader, the Globe noms list is in the Chicago/Benjamin Button
by pennsy
talkback.
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but actors are generally fungible. But, most actors KNOW this is a risk of their profession, and still do it willingly. If they aren't able to handle the reality that their profession will likely be a day-to-day struggle and only a select handful in their art truly thrive off of it, they should have planned to go into a different profession.
Go talk to a public defender or a social worker. They're trying to make a fucking difference, but they are making shit money and generally see little benefit. But they admit it's what they wanted to do and accept the consequences of their choices.
I think acting can be a noble profession and one that can be of merit to society. But it is a profession that as just as susceptible to the hand of the free market as any other. If you're just not needed, you're just not going to get paid much.
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And in the absence of a GG talkback, I felt the need to put it there. :|
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If I didn't agree with the writers entirely, I'm not sure if I should agree with this.
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(and I apologize if this has been discussed before) but didn't the studio reimburse the people who made that creative work by paying them? And does the studio not now own that piece of work? If so, why do they need to keep paying somebody every time use that piece of work? It's almost equivalent of me having to pay Toyota and their staff (particularly their engineers) every time I drive my car. I'm perpetually benefitting from their work aren't I?
And if I delivered something with my car and was reimbursed for it? Do they get another checked derived from the additional benefit I received?
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Dec 11, 2008 9:46:39 AM CST
anyone talking shit about the actors for striking....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....is a damn hypocrite. They want fair compensation for their work, thats all. If you don't like it, stop watching it. Spend a day jerking off to teenagers lighting their balls on fire on youtube. Fuck Sumner Redstone and fuck corporate greed.
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The Heroes hating and Bell fantaticism had made it to this thread. Fucking Hell, I'll never escape that annoying as fuck whining. It's just... LET IT GO ALREADY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. In the broad scheme of things, really, who gives a shit?
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1) Porsches can "heal" themselves after repeatedly crashing into a Fiat and rolling onto their sides.
2) Two people can crash into a pole at 50 mph, wearing no seatbelts, and walk away.
3) Uzi's do not run out of ammunition until everyone is dead.
4) Being electrocuted will give you superhuman strength.
5) The best place to lock up a hostage is in a large room with balsa wood covering the window openings, with no guards outside the window.
6) The only way to break through balsa wood is with a disassembled doorknob.
7) Cheap airplanes are started by punching the control panel and saying "Fly or DIE!"
The best way to discreetly tell someone that people may be out to get him is by flying a military helicopter through the rolling mountains of Southern California to meet him.
9) Three men in a van can easily survive an explosion caused by a rocket being shot into the van's gas tank.
10) You can't just unbutton someone's shirt. You have to rip it open, and hold it open while talking to them.
11) A man's center of gravity does not change when picking up another man and holding him at arm's length.
12) Surplus stores have enough equipment to blow up an entire compound.
13) The only way to break into a surplus store is by driving your handy bulldozer through the front of it, for everyone to see.
14) However, no one will see what happened in (13).
15) A Ford Bronco with no brakes can still brake.
16) A Ford Bronco will explode three times upon rollover.
17) Tranquilizer darts are instantaneously effective.
18) One can walk about an airplane during takeoff if he claims that he is airsickand holding his guts.
19) Old Fiats are as fast as new Porsches.
20) Explosives set on the outside of a building will cause the building to explode from the inside.
21) Upon being scalped by circular saw blade, one becomes instantly pale.
22) Opening the hatch to gain access to the landing gear won't set off any warnings in the cockpit, even in a pressurized airplane that's about to take off.
23) Shopping malls have about 100 inept security guards apiece.
24) The best place to secretly exchange false documents for a briefcase-full of money is in a very public bar in a very public shopping mall.
25) Upon being blown up by a hand grenade, one does an acrobatic somersault.
26) Upon being shot, one acts like a cartoon character tripping backwards over a step.
27) Hedges deflects bullets.
28) If your daughter is being held hostage on an island, you should blow up every building on that island except one, because chances are she'll be in that one.
29) . If a team of ex-soldiers is given new identities and relocated, most of them will be given lousy jobs (car salesman, fishing boat worker), but the leader gets a big house in the mountains . And the psychotic guy who got kicked off the team will get a new identity too, for some reason.
30) If a large truck comes barreling down a mountain toward you while you are driving, you should not brake. Instead, you should just say, "he's gonna hit us!" and keep driving at the same speed.
31)When your plot includes the assassination of the leader of some foreign country and kidnapping a little girl you should wear low profile clothes, like chain mail, dog's chain on your neck, moustache and black leather pants.
32) When your plot includes the assassination of… you don't shoot a lethal Special Forces -guy when you have the chance. You challenge him into a knife fight instead.
33) When you're having sex in a motel room, you're not supposed to stop or get worried when you hear a gunshot and sounds of fighting in the next room.
34) If you are/were in Special Forces/Green Berets etc. you're huge.
35) If you are/were in Special Forces, you have superhuman senses and you can break a chain with your bare hands.
36) If you're from Austria and you need a false identity, the military gives you a common Austrian name like "John Matrix"
37)You can take a rocket launcher off a wall, give it to someone and then another one will magically reappear on the wall.
38)Shopping mall decorations can be used to swing from one side of to the mall to the other even though the person who is swinging on them is is 6ft 2" - 250 pounds!
39)It is possible to hold your eyes open while a plane is hurtling at 150 mph down a runway
40)Thrown like a javelin from a few feet away, a steel pipe can pierce through the chest of a bulky man wearing a chain mail vest and nail him to a huge boiler.
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A stone-cold slice of gold.
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Heroes criticism, yeah - I can live with that. But we're smart guys here, we KNEW Bell was leaving... we knew she'd likely not come back... and while her send-off was shit, why are you mad that she's gone? See Christopher E for what happens when they write off successful actors with the hope of getting them back.
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It's Miller time!
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I'll stick to diet coke.
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is splitting from his wife Marg Helgenberger, expect a strike. Dude will have plenty of time on his hands, he won't care.
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Dec 11, 2008 9:57:29 AM CST
I read an interview awhile back with Veronica Mars....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...and she was basically saying thank fuck I'm off that show, my character fucking blew sea-otter cock.
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Really? I find that awesome, but also hilariously sad.
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Dec 11, 2008 10:00:09 AM CST
Alan Rosenberg splitting from his wife because of fags....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...the attacks on traditional marriage and the fundamental core of our society has finally started to destroy marriages throughout Hollywood!! This will be THE END OF DAYS AS WE KNOW IT!!
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Well she didn't say "THANK FUCK I'M OFF THAT SHOW," she said something like "I think its a good thing my character's arc is coming to an end. I don't know where else she would go."
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another dopey classic, Return of Swamp Thing
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How is striking going to help? Hollywood will use creative accounting to show they don't owe the actors one cent. How many people have been able to successfully challenge the studios with their accounting practices. The only name that comes to mind is Peter Jackson.
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To be honest, they did such a shit job with her character and KB was so lifeless in her last episode that it's a good thing she's gone.
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to strike and it felt goooood
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Dec 11, 2008 10:10:19 AM CST
Thank Christ, Commando is considered a CLASSIC!!
by dannyglovers_dickblood
An AMERICAN MOVIE CLASSIC!!
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Be back in a bit.
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that needs 'deflating' more than the Oscars.
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over Kristen for best actress in a comedy/musical? That buh-loooooowsss.
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Coming soon to Fox, followed by ice sculpting with the stars, and new show stariing a has been comedian in which people guess how much garbage is in 30 dumpsters whose lids are opened by beautiful models.
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Just make sure you tune in for the Jon Voight upchuck scene, unless basic cable edits it.
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The stike should be over fairly quick.
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Chewing tobacco will make you a god damn sexual Tyrannosaur.
Not chewing tobacco makes you a fucking pussy.
Dillon can't beat Dutch at arm wrestling.
Helicopters flying low to avoid radar will still blast loud rock music.
Every special ops group has one dorky member who doesn't do much, but tell sick jokes and gets killed first.
When assault rifles, grenade launchers, and a fucking minigun don't do the trick, try a log.
If it bleeds we can kill it.
Try to be quiet when he's ghostin' us or Mac will kill you with his bayonet.
Arny never finishes 'Knock Knock' jokes.
The old women in Anna's village whisper crazy things, such strange things.
Blain has no time to bleed.
Hitting a giant alien with a tree branch is a "bad idea".
Never throw away your big gun and try to have a knife fight with the predator.
You can still be alive and in one piece if caught in the middle of a massive blast capable of clearing many acres.
Big badass men who are willing to cut an X into their chest to attract the attention of an 8 foot alien hunter will scream like a complete sissy when they die.
Self-destruct nuclear bombs will allow you to look at them as they count down quickly, figure out what they are, and let you run a hell of a ways away before detonating.
Don't forget, no matter what happens, ...get to dah choppah!!!
Dillon picked up a few bad habits from Dutch.
If someone spits tobacco on your shoe, don't attempt to kick his ass, or tell him not to do it again or anything..... just tell him: "that's a pretty nasty habit you've got there.."
Predator will always go away and wait until you set up some traps.
It's ok to kick a vulture for a movie.
Giant goggles will get you killed first.
Trained commandos freak out when a buddy dies, and they will even break formation trying to get you even if its obvious that he'll die.
Sometimes, commandos stare at the alien instead of shooting him down, even if the alien is sitting down in a tree doing nothing .
Predator laughs like an evil villain of comic books.
Running away for 10 seconds will get you safe from a small nuclear blast.
When you cut your chest, the trace of that cut will be 'colder' in heat-vision instead of hotter.
Prisioners will always lie to you until the one who asks is Arnold.
Human-hunting aliens hang out in barren rain forrests.
Pulling upwards on someone's head will pull out their entire spine instead of just popping their head off.
Poncho had time to duck.
A laser can sever off a black man's arm, but cannot sever off a white man's.
Mac sure does like 'Long Tall Sally' by Little Richard. However he can only sing it completely out of time.
Hawkins' girlfriend has a big pussy.
In fact Hawkins' girlfriend has a pussy as big as a house.
When a fellow soldier has a deadly scorpion on his shoulder, its always preferential to trick him into looking the other way so you can stab it, rather than warning him.
Dillon woke up.
Victims convulse violently when shot in helicopters by crack commandos.
Some damn fool said Dutch's team was the best!
You only lose mid-air arm wrestling to Arnie if the CIA gets you pushing too many pencils.
Crack commandos think CIA ties are crap.
Predators think setting off nuclear explosions is a great laugh.
Rescue teams are not assassins but will still infiltrate enemy camps and massacre everything in their path.
Dillon and Poncho don't speak the same Spanish.
A predator may have shoulder missiles and a spaceship, but he still hasn't learned how to waterproof his shield.
When you pin someone to the wall with a machete, say something cool like, "Stick around".
Those new 4-bladed razors would kill Mac.
If you lose it in the jungle, you are in a world of hurt.
Eyeballs give off no heat whatsoever.
The Predator is a sore loser.
Miniguns don't weight much and can be comfortably carried through miles of rainforest.
Half-ass mountain boys rarely use heatseakers.
Commandos don't need food or large supplies of water to walk around the rain forest. Just plenty of guns.
Alabama ticks dig deep.
Commandos don't need to take cover in gunfights, just look mean.
Commandos are trained to kill every man in a village and only knock out women.
They did the same damn thing to Jim Hoppah.
Dillon used them to get the job done.
Billy is not an optimist.
Poncho prefers bigger boars.
Mac dislocates his jaw while firing machineguns.
They're all expendable assets.
Whoever works out the most will live the longest in an action movie.
Action movies are prerequisites to become governors.
If you lose your rifle, you can always make a bow and arrow out of trees.
Austrian immigrants can easily survive falls from hundreds of feet.
Contrare to popular opinion, cigars are indeed cool.
If you co-star in an alien-inspired action movie with Arnie, you will never be in another feature film. Unless you're Carl Weathers.
Dead leaves only make noise when non-commando types crawl over them.
If you trained at Fort Bragg, there is a better than average chance you will die in a jungle.
Commandos can hold their urination or defacation for several days.
Billy ain't afraid of no man.
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Everyone who talks tough and hates on the Oscars as being pretentious cunt fodder, are always there at home Oscar night with their dicks glued to the screen as Ryan Seacrest comments on bitches shoes on the red carpet. Fucking hypocrites. -
Until they legally take on the studios about the accounting issue, the strike is nothing more than posturing that just succeeds in creating more reality television. They need to get serious, not grumble for 2 extra cents a download when the studios won't give it to them because they'll claim it hasn't made a profit.
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It is the holiday season afterall.
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Did someone mention Ryan?
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From God. He's the only one with the answers. I asked him about the actor's strike. He said Tom Rothman is a fucking cunt.
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Sorry, Emma Thompson deserves retroactive awards.
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Hehehehe....that reminds me of Chitty's "SWEET FEED"
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The Star Wars prequels still suck. Johnny Depp plans to do his next 20 films with Tim Burton. More remakes of 1980's films will be going in production soon. PT Anderson plans on directing a film sometime in the next 15 years.
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Will it start with (Massive spoiler) My Father the Hero.
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Dec 11, 2008 10:31:39 AM CST
Emma Thompson deserves a good shag from behind....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
I saw some of Imagining Argentina the other night-- fuck Emma Thompson be fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine in that shit.
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And said disembodied arm will continue to have nerve and muscle response to fire a weapon, while flying through the air.
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That's the important question. If they can't get that they should go after Beta or 16mm.
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Emma Thompson is responsible for the evil that follows. She is the evil to Kurt Russell's good.
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But I saw Emma Thompson crying, so I knew it was okay.
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Yeah making millions of dollars isn't enough for actors. It's never the actors who really don't make anything who strike. It's the people with the 10mil. price tag who bitch. I work in Heating and Cooling so any actor who is bitchin i'll switch jobs with ya. Bunch of whiny bitches.
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will this screw up Lost again?
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He needs to procure himself a fuckin' life.
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You're a fucking idiot, and you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, simpleton. The percentage of actors that actually make a decent living off the job is tiny. Most actually do it part-time. You read too many gossip magazines. The portrait of Brad Pitt and George Clooney does not represent the common working actor. Probably less than 1% of SAG members get wealthy from acting.
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Dec 11, 2008 10:52:08 AM CST
Ahh, but D. Vader, does the artist sue for copyright
by shut the fuck up donny
or does the company that bought the art sue on the copyright? I recall (predominantely) the record labels having the issues with the mp3 recordings.
And if you go to museums, you can usually buy prints of the art they have available. Whoever has the rights to the art (which in essence is the legal possession of the creative work) makes the calls.
I wouldn't be surprised that most contracts have a clause showing that those rights are included in the compensation.
I'll admit copyright law isn't my expertise, but I suspect the reason some are striking is because they never read the fine print, and want a backdoor way to now get paid.
Now admittedly, the little guys might be getting steamrolled by such clauses because of their bargaining position, and feel the strike is the only way to make sure that's remedied. But they're not doing it as an ENTIRE industry, but only factions within the industry. That inherently shows weakness at the bargaining table. -
letting anyone within earshot know they are working on a treatment.
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Oh, and asking did you see them in their Head & Shoulders commercial...
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If you want to criticise the writing for Elle, go ahead. But she chose to leave, so I don't think it's fair to knock Heroes for writing her out. How they wrote her out was shit, but they had to write her out nonetheless.
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....shutting down the entire industry. Fuck the Oscars. How about all the people that will be put out of work because of this nonsense strike?
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then the agreements clearly need to be changed to reflect the change in the times. And I suspect that the strikers feel this agreement will only be changable if they group together and strike against the corporations. However, I still feel that doing it piecemeal won't get them the leverage they need to make real change.
But I suspect the construction crews who designed the sets (and others involved in the film making) don't get a residual for THEIR work (do they?)--and thus they're not going to give two farts about the actors and writers. So, I just don't see the solidarity to make striking a viable option (at least at this time).
I'm curious to know if this issue has been litigated and if the courts have further defined "showing." That might be a better way to get their foot in the door.
I wish I could talk more about this, but I need to get to work for the afternoon. I will happily read your response (if you choose to make one), and state my hopes that we can discuss it further at a different time (probably come January!) -
Blame the studios, not the hurting working people. Studios should be fair and end this now. They have the power to do so. Don't blame the individual for wanting a better quality of life. Too many working people get fucked over and over again in this country. Good for them to have unity here.
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...I think you should strike for a percentage of all the deals that are made at any office where a customer is made comfortable because of your air conditioning. If you work in a grocery store you should get a percentage of all deals made over the wine you sell. Shit we should all get more money. MMORE dammitt. Come to think of it I'm part of the equation when it comes to tallying up the box office. Where's my percentage?
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for us. Wife watches the red carpet. I find other things to do, walk behind the couch every so often and comment, "well she looks hot" (that's rare) or "she looks like crap" (more so the case, usually). We both lambast most of the songs (last year's Swell Season win set our hearts aglow as it was something we liked and even the Enchanted songs we're kinda cute). When the big noms come, there's usually a few rounds (especially if friends/family are over) of "didn't see it." And depending who the host is, we rag on them, too. Our favorite part is usually the memorial to those who have past as, yes, it tugs the heartstrings of personal nostalgia, depending who they show. As far as this year goes, I'm thinking Milk will take a lot over Dark Knight, though for me, Milk is the kind of movie I just don't care about seeing in a theater (at home when I'm in the mood for such, sure). With the costs of tickets, foodstuff, possibly parking and more, I'm more selective than ever about what I want to see on the ol' big screen with a throng. And usually it's epic stuff or kiddie things with my boy. Most comedies, dour dramas and indie films are wait-on-Netflix for me. Passing on Milk and the like in a theater may make me cinema philistine, but could give a flying f if someone thinks that. Unless they want to buy those tickets and so on.
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You blame the employer being unfair to the employee. In this case its the studio system. Who the fuck should we blame? The DMV?
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We had a lunch with our sometime-actually-get-to-work-at-being-an-actor cousin and she thinks it may be the wrong time for a strike and is hoping things are worked out behind the scenes. But she also agrees doing it around the Oscars could be quite powerful. She just hopes it doesn't go on and on. At least she has another gig that pays pretty well for her. Some non-name, everyday actors don't have that if they're not working.
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The employer is not being unfair. Employees know exactly what they are getting themselves involved in when you work for them. Been that way for decades. Don't feel bad for any actors not smart enough to know that.
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we get upcoming crap like "Mama's Boys" (from the same guys who gave us that meet-the parents show and Average Joe shows (which did suck me in a little bit). And Leno at 10 pm every night, which means those writers will still be at and more power to 'em. I just won't be a viewer.
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...from people supporting the actors. "Oh, they're getting cheated, because they should get cuts off Internet percentages." Really? I mean, I can see it with the writers, because there's generally only one of them to any given production (by which I mean, movie or episode). But let's face it, there's a shit-ton of actors in everything. How many of them are realistically getting a percentage anyway? It seems like not many would have the clout -- maybe two to seven on any given show, and let's face it, they really WOULD be the stars. I can see Mindy Kaling getting stiffed for her writing, for example, but would she really be entitled to any cut (or at the very least, any sizable cut) for her acting work? Or would that just be people like Steve Carell? Do even the people whoi play the nameless warehouse workers get residuals? I tend to doubt it. I'm not taking a side on this issue (yet), but I'm very interested in hearing an answer to this question.
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Companies should just shit on people no matter what the business and that's just fine because it's been that way for decades. Nice argument for anything, like racism and other discrimination and so on.
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You can get done before disaster stries.
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It hasn't been that way for decades. The industry is changing. The internet will become a dominate viewing format. How can you say it remains the same? The audience changes, therefore the contracts need to adjust. Studios will resist doing this to keep more cash in the Studio Exec's pockets. You think this is totally cool? Great.
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Dec 11, 2008 11:51:53 AM CST
You people do realize this more about the middle-class actors th
by drewlicious
I do think SAG has a point that new media distribution is the future and it's important to lay the basics out now. Unfortunately they stand to lose a lot more than they stand to gain. The economy will seriously be blasted if this happens and AFTRA will just take over more and more TV pilots this year. So a lot of people will be working under an inferior union. Wait three years when the circumstances are better.
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Case closed, HFPA fuckheadtards.
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http://tinyurl.com/5gma63
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That's my prediction.
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Now that studios are charging twice the price for DVD material and raking in more buck for the same material?Or was there a prior contract that covered DVD sales?
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You heard it here.
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Dec 11, 2008 12:43:50 PM CST
If you don't like the contract..find other work. Fuck the Oscars
by conspiracy
You are an actor, you are no different than the janitor or the caterer other than you appear on screen. You are an employee, nothing more. If you do not like the content of the contract..don't sign it and find a better deal elsewhere if you believe your services are worth more. It isn't like we can't find a replacement for Megan Fox or Brad Pitt or whomever that would be glad to leave their job Radio Shak or Spearmint Rhino to make a few more dollars for alot less work.
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The problem isn't all actors, it's the top 10% who will certainly come and spend a few hours on the picket line (right after they make sure the media is there to cover it)but who aren't willing to give up the extra money they get from the studios. (the money they get After they've already been paid, mind you)If the studios stopped paying "superstars" crazy back- end deals that sum up to hundreds of millions of dollars AFTER said superstar has already been paid his 10-20 million dollar fee, then maybe they would have enough money to pay the rest of the actors the profits from the internets. Here's where the SAG can actually do some good. Get in there and negotiate a "no back-end deal" clause with the studios to free up some money for the people that actually have to survive on residuals to eat.
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There are layoffs, closures, and bankruptcies running rampant... people aren't spending money (least of all on entertainment) and the fucking actors want to strike? Brilliant fucking idea. Look what a great job the writers strike did for not just economy, but writers in general. Let's just keep destroying our economy, employment, and industry one bit at a time shall we? Fucking greedy union bastards.
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...and its no wonder, you're a McCain supporter if I remember correctly. So if a job is treating its employees unfairly, instead of trying to make the situation better- they should just be forced out of a job? Wow. Thats a great plan. What the fuck do you care if they strike? If someone is trying to better themselves I can give a fuck whether or not it affects me. This is their livelihood, not mine.
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Dec 11, 2008 12:55:55 PM CST
this site has always been hardcore anti-union....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
........enjoy your 15 dollar an hour salary cap and lack of medical benefits and pensions, you fucking cunts.
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that enabled us to strike so we could all fly private and live in Bel Air. Those poor dears.
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Then the actors Union is nothing but a front..a sham. Who do you think SAG is going to bend to the wishes of...Red Shirt #2 or Julia Roberts and her armada of lawyers and PR hacks? Do you think that for all their public bluster and shouts of solidarity these Mega Celebs aren't quietly petitioning behind the scenes in support of the status quo and their 7-8 figure paychecks?
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First of all if you think the profession is easy you obviously have no real understanding of it or you're not doing it right. Granted, there is no challenge to majority of the roles out there because most of them are like Paramedic #2 or Red-headed waitress but the real meaty stuff requires real work. The statement that anyone can act is about as true that anyone can cook, anyone can...but not everyone can do it brilliantly. And it can be exhausting work. Brando felt like he was going to die when he did Streetcar on stage because he wasn't holding back. The man was seriously drained. Another good example is Jeff Goldblum who works on his craft everyday for at least eight hours even when he's not working because this is his job.
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But you are WAY off fucking base.
1. Not a McCain Supporter...Anarcho-Capitalist here..I don't vote. 2. If I do not like my working conditions..I go where the grass is greener..not FORCE what I THINK I'm worth on someone who obviously does not. If I don't get paid..I walk. If there isn't a better deal out there for me..then I am the problem..not my employer...and I need to retrain myself or find a profession that will allow the $ I seek...simple as that. Nobody is ENTITLED to ANYTHING other than what they agreed upon. Period. If you can't agree on a price...move on. -
.....you fat asses claiming "Anyone can act" are the same fucks that jerked off over Heath Leadger in TDK or Javier Bardem in No Country, going on and on for months about how fucking amazing they were and how nobody could have played that role. Now its a profession on par with a fucking janitor? Grow a fucking pair and stay consistent. Otherwise, fuck off.
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One can throw ample blame at the UAW for helping to fuck up their companies. I'm not saying they are the only party guilty, because they are not. The unions in this case are helping to kill their very own companies with the insane benefits package they negotiated. Much like anything else, I think a balance must be struck.
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A buddy of mine I worked with a few years ago was a stunt guy in hollywood for a little while. He did horse work in "Young Guns II" and "Walker, Texas Ranger" and talked about how he still got residual checks, but they were so tiny he'd wait until he collected a few and cashed them in to buy food and beer. He brought one in to work one time (around 2000-2001) for "Young Guns II" and it was like 67 cents.
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Okay, then I mixed you up with someone else on the McCain thing. But your concept of just walking if something isn't right is a pretty cowardly approach to life man. You should work on that. There are things worth fighting for and improving. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be a fucking gypsy running from shit job to shit job, some people out there actually want to have careers they stick with. And most actors are passionate about what they do. Very few are just in it to get famous. Thats why people on here can't relate for the most part. Almost all of us are stuck in shit office jobs we despise, so the concept of someone wanting to stick with a job they love is pretty foreign.
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13/hr, full PISS POOR benefits..and a Pension that pure sucked compared to my private investments.
Current Job...$28/hr+Bonus, Benefits through Blue Cross, Profit Sharing and..NON-UNION PRIVATELY OWNED. Unions Limit growth for those who excel while promoting and protecting those who do not. -
I agree. That is a totally different issue with the UAW....but they must be understanding in that case.
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You can't generalize anything. I agree. There are some office clerk unions that are fucking jokes. Not every union is a good thing, sure. But its just asinine to claim they limit growth in this country. Unions have paved the way for virtually every labor right we now have, including the 8 hour work day. I'm sure everyone here bitching about unions would love to work a 12 hour day with no such thing as over-time, right? I'm mainly speaking of film industry unions here. I can't speak for some shit union in Jonestown, Missouri.
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Plain and simple...if you are worth more than you are making...you will find a job that will pay your price. If you can't...then your job is only worth what you are making. Just because a file clerk thinks they are worth $30/hr, because the company they work for made $2B last year, doesn't make it so. Everything has a price..and everything has a cap on what one is willing to pay for it. If you can't make a living doing what you "LOVE", then you obviously need to re-evaluate what is more important to you.."Loving" your job...or finding emplyment that pays you what you feel you are worth. I Work to live dude...I do whatever work will allow me to live best...Love it or Not. My "Passion" plays no part in the basic economics of life.
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And the UAW did get a bit too much in the pension department. But come on....trying to soley blame them is another desperate tactic by the pathetic American auto industry. You think people are saying "I'm not gonna buy a GMC because of that damn UAW!! Greedy fucks!" No. People aren't buying the cars because GMC was fucking delusional with continuing to push gas guzzling SUV's and have been on the decline in design for the past 20 years. Their past 5 CEO's have been fucking morons that refuse to change with the times. There is an excellent story about what really killed the auto industry in last month's FORTUNE magazine. It shows how dysfunctional they still are. A few years back they were pushing a fuel cell vehicle they said would be a game-changer in the industry. Suddenly last year, they pull that idea and decide to go with a plug-in electric after millions of dollars were spent on the fuel cell development. Fucking idiots. Its a cop out to blame the factory workers once again. Funny how its always their fault.
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I hire a contractor to add a much needed addition to my business. This addition will generate an extra 100M a year. He does the work and I pay him the agreed upon price. A year the contractors Union sets up a picket line around my business asking for a percentage cut of the profits the addition their member built generated. SHould I pay them?
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That was kind of my point. Unless SAG and the Studios are willing to adress the issues of the super-celebrity-back-end deal there won't be money left for bread-and-butter actors. But neither the SAG or the Studios give enough of a shit to even think about stemming the tide of this waste of money flood. It's the same mentality as giving CEO's and upper management multi-million dollar bonuses each year and at the same time laying off 5000 factory workers because you don't have enough to pay them. It's madness.
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Your argument makes no sense. Residuals exist...they have for 50 years. You act like this is just coming out of nowhere. Its not. They already get royalties for all other forms of media. Now the times are changing and the internet will become a large source of viewing, so they want the contract updated to fit the changes of the times. How do you not understand this? They are not asking for something for the first time...this has always been the way most actors make a living. They live on the residuals. Whether you like this or not, thats the way it is. So whats your point? You want residuals to just cut off 100%? Oh thats cool.
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I agree. I say fuck the superstar actors. They need a fucking cap.
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If it wasn't worth it the studios wouldn't be paying for it. They're making money, good money. And if they're not they can just look elsewhere. It may seem ridiculous that Will Smith makes $20-25 million plus backend deals but his movies are huge international hits. And the studios just fudge the numbers so they truthfully make even more money. And none of that money would ever make it's way down to the bottom even with caps. Why would it?
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WTF?
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Here is the deal...if they agree upon residuals...fine and dandy, contract signed. If a new source of income exists for one party, the second party is not guaranteed a right to it...no matter if their original labor is a part of this new source...they have already been paid for their services after all. In addition..if one party or the other does not agree..the other party has no right to FORCE or Threaten Force upon the other to sign a contract they obviously do not feel is in their best interest. THAT is extortion....no wonder the Mafia found such a willing home in the Unions.
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Yes, but a buisness model that over-rewards the top and leaves the bottom destitute is, in the end, bound to fail.
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Try some Hayek, Rothbard, or Locke....No they aren't on TV...You'll have to read.
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I guess you don't watch Lost. By the way, you're a fucking idiot.
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Dec 11, 2008 1:49:39 PM CST
Danny, I did say they were not the only party to blame
by just pillow talk
in the case of the auto industry.It's their whole business model, behind the times in terms of design, disconnect with management and the direction of the company, and the union, which is a significant larger portion of the cost of a car than those built in the U.S. by Toyota, etc.
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the unborn poster is REALLY good.
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Which is precisely why Unions are very important in this industry. Even with those salaries the money is still there. I suppose if they wanted to cut down on their overhead in order to bring up their stock prices I can see why they'd be a less generous in paying off the superstars. However in cases like that they cut people off from the bottom instead which really sucks. Or they invest more in reality television which unfortunately yields spectacular results. I don't believe in punishing the middle-class, especially since I'm in it, but I don't believe in punishing the wealthy simply for being fortunate enough to be in their position. It also looks like the system is correcting itself since there aren't really that many people left who can demand $20 million a picture. Sure guys like Shia Lebouf jump to $12 million overnight but it looks like the modern audience is less amused by the star system. It seems to be more about ensemble work and spectacle now.
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Is that the same as a Libertarian? Cuz those guys are annoying as fuck. Seriously, every time I run into a guy at a party who is obnoxious and vaguely political, I just know he's a Libertarian. And if you don't leave right away, you're suddenly sucked into a vortex of a political argument that you didn't want to get involved with in the first place as he gets more obnoxious and more political the more he drinks, and the longer you stand there like a deer in headlights, the more chance of you not getting laid that night (or ever again) because all the girls will have left the room. I guess what I'm saying is that Libertarians extrete an anti-pheremone that gaurantees that neither they or anyone in a 10 foot circle will ever get laid. They are like a reversely charged pussy magnet.
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I've kept out of this mainly cos I said everything I had to say in the last strike thread and we're not going to agree, which is fine as that's all good.
I posted this earlier. It's a fairly objective look at it all and why it's happening. Well worth some of your time.
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Who are the braniacs in the Screen Actor's Guild who think that the best time to strike and demand terms is during one of the most severe economic downturns in a generation? You will not have public/audience support at a time when the average working Joe has the Sword of Damocles hanging over his/her head due to layoffs across the nation. Morons. The time to strike is when things are going great and the economy is booming; then it's in everyone's interest to get a deal done to keep the money gusher going.
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...but it sure smells good!
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I see a whole lot of AFTRA pilots this year.
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to earn a living... then maybe they chose the wrong profession.
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Dec 11, 2008 2:53:58 PM CST
you gotta be a real cunt to compare a strike.....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...to extortion. Please don't teach a child your asinine views.
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SUVs are the only cars they were able to make a profit on because they could justify charging more,and the foreing competition wasn't up to snuff. They couldn't make money off the smaller cars because they had to pay the workers (money/benifits) so much that a lot of times they were actually losing money on these cars, whereas the foreign companies didn't have to worry about the UAW.
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Dec 11, 2008 2:58:31 PM CST
...you fucks siding with the studios are major pricks and here's
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...most of you (not all) already pay for films, either by going to the movies or buying DVDs/Bluray, etc. So why the fuck do you care how your 10 buck admissions gets split? It really bothers you that the people on screen want a tiny bit more of the cut than the greedy studio conglomerates that bring in massive profits and continue to try to fuck the working people? Its not like its free now, but if SAG gets its way, suddenly you're gonna have to pay. You already fucking do. So its just you being cunts by having the views that you do. You really thing some NBC Executive deserves a bigger cut while the actors get less and less? Wow. Way to go people.
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When everything is either going to be an indy film, a reality show, or CG animated. This is what you're driving the industry towards.
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We get to see more clever internet videos from the talent hoping to win in the court of public opinion. I think one really witty video would be telling people that instead of seeing all remakes that our current talents are making like Day the Earth Stood Still, they could just watch the original classic.
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Wow. You're funny.
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Than an internet video shot in black and white with name actors who get payed millions of dollars a year standing in silence for a minute.
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Dec 11, 2008 3:11:53 PM CST
The world will be playing the world's smallest violin for the ac
by hellboy
I work in the industry. I fully supported the writers' strike even though it put me out of work for near 6 months. The people who work in this industry below the line won't be able to survive another prolonged strike. With the economy the way it is, nobody's gonna be siding with the actors on this one.
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I guess they couldn't stay afloat selling ten dollar Waterworld action figures.
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are paid MILLIONS for films that don't even recoup their budgets at the boxoffice. They're attend the photo ops--supporting their poverty row compatriots--and then buzz back to their mansions to read scripts for films that will tank and promptly turn-up on DVD. Heard the feedback on the Tom Cruise movie: Jeffrey Lyons loved it (he'd write a rave review for a "Mom and Pa Kettle" movie) but everyone else thinks it's (unintentionally) funnier than "Springtime for Hitler".
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Here's what's going to happen if SAG strikes and wins. They'll get the contract they want (mostly). Then one of two things will happen. 1) They may get paid, in which case the studios will just jack up prices to maintain their profit margin. 2) They may not get paid, in which case there will be a lawsuit, which they will win, and then the studios will jack up the prices to pay for the lawsuit AND the residuals. So frankly, I have now made my decision--I'm not backing either side in the event of a strike. Whoever wins, my wallet loses. And your "rah rah, worker's solidarity" thing is just as bad as the shit you claim to hate...so stop spewing the part of this you're responsible for.
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all who died in the Triangle Shirtwaist Company fire of the early 20th century, to cite one example of why unions are often needed (not necessarily for everything, but for so much). All you flat-out anti-union people should study the history of unions that have been needed to pull workers out of slave conditions and deathtrap conditions. Are the teamsters corrupt - damn right - but that's an easy example to pull out. And you're pissed because some retired UAW worker from say, the '90s still wants his retirement benefits after all those decades on the job? Damn right he should get those benefits. Why not freeze and pay workers from the bank accounts of all those fucking pompous auto company heads at the top?
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they would sell a figure for, say, $12 to $15 when the same figure is $7.99 to 9.99 at Target. Only the clearance items have been 'deals.'
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Drug Dealer? Real Estate Swindler?
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While I realize that most actors don't make shit, the news coverage of an actors strike will focus on people like Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, George Clooney and other stars who make millions per picture. That is hardly going to engender sympathy from the public.
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This is it. With the shitty economy, and a new president coming in, change is coming, and not all of it will be good. I believe that SAG is making a fatal mistake here. The Studio-Heads should just close up shop and prepare to put on 2 years of reality programming. Hire non-union writers and actors; there are plenty of them in other countries. I hope they crush SAG once and for all. I am pro-union, but not for spoiled, over paid, coke snorting assholes who are striking for what? Fuck SAG...I will prepare myself now...
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