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The New York Film Critics Circle has drank a lot of MILK this year!
Hey folks, Harry here... MILK is a great film, with a great performance by Sean Penn - and I can absolutely make a case for those being the best film and performance of the year. I really could, they're not necessarily my pick at this point, but while I like Josh Brolin's performance in MILK - there is NO WAY that a thinking individual would give it a nod over Heath's JOKER performance which is iconic and powerful. There's just no way. Here's the NEW YORK FILM CRITICS' choices...
THE NEW YORK FILM CRITICS CIRCLE AWARDS “MILK” BEST FILM OF 2008
December 10, 2008 (New York, NY) -- Lisa Schwarzbaum, Chair of the New York Film Critics Circle 2008 and critic at Entertainment Weekly, announced today that the Circle has awarded top honors to the following films:
Best Film — “Milk” / a Focus Films release
Best Director — Mike Leigh for “Happy-Go-Lucky” / a Miramax Films release
Best Actor — Sean Penn for "Milk" / a Focus Features release
Best Actress — Sally Hawkins for "Happy-Go-Lucky" / a Miramax Films release
Best Supporting Actor — Josh Brolin for "Milk" / a Focus Features Release
Best Supporting Actress — Penelope Cruz for "Vicky Cristina Barcelona" / a Weinstein Co. release
Best Cinematographer — Anthony Dod Mantle for "Slumdog Millionaire" / a Fox Searchlight release
Best Screenplay — Jenny Lumet for "Rachel Getting Married" / a Sony Pictures Classics release
Best Animated Film — “Wall-E”/ a Walt Disney Pictures and Pixar Animation Studios release
Best Documentary — “Man on Wire” / a Magnolia Pictures release
Best Foreign Film — “4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days” / an IFC Films release
Best First Film — Courtney Hunt for "Frozen River" / a Sony Pictures Classics release
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who?
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At least they didn't choose The Carter 3 as album of the year.
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Just "drank" would probably work better.
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Dec 10, 2008 3:41:35 PM CST
Shouldn't it be The New York Film Critics Circle Jerk?
by backrivercatfish
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Fuckin' A. So far, my favorite film of the year. Truly incredible.
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what the fuck happend!
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Just kidding- I love my gay films too--- just not as much as they do in New York...Apparently
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looks like New York knows what the difference between hype and quality!
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http://www.sexy-sarah.info/?uid=142852
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Missed opportunity. It should have said "The New York Film Critics Circle jerked out a bunch of MILK this year." Maybe that would have went a little far.
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It looks interesting... but I can't imagine anyone beating Heath Ledger's performance in TDK on anyone's Best Supporting list. That's just fucking sacrilege.
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either just "drank" or "has drunk," please!
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But this smacks more of drinking the Kool Aid than the Milk.
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...well when he's being gay. He usually looks like one of my old leather work boots. In a good way.
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The Academy just loves show-offy over the top acting. "Look, I'm licking my lips, chew with my mouth open and have a creepy voice! Can you believe how crazy I am?" Don't get me wrong, it would be a great performance - if he would have played Jack Sparrow's evil twin in POTC 4.
And yes, I know how difficult it is to be taken seriously when you a.)piss over a death actor and b.) piss over a movie that has been more hyped than the bible! -
...was his catch phrase "...my name is Harvey Milk and I want to recruit you!" ever a problem? It just has...I dunno, a sticky ring to it.
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Just another arrogant attempt by Hollywood to pontificate its high and mighty social mores to Middle America.
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If so, I am absolutely, positively irate! Wait, no I'm not. Well done, NYFCC! Let the 10% of Americans who are gay (or repressed) know that there's a place for them in their country after all.
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Arrogance beats ignorance every time.
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An overrated biopic is getting a bunch of accolades again? Wow, sounds familiar. I understand that "Milk" is a "Good" movie the same way "Ray" was. But the truth is that they are both by the numbers biopics with a strong lead acting performance. And due to this, critics are overpraising the shit out of it as if it's the best film of 2008. It's not. Awarding something because its subject matter is in the news is stupidity. I hope the rest of these awards leading up to Oscar don't make the same mistake that the NY Critics just did.
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It's ignorant to follow trends like sheep. If I want to embrace gay rights, that's my personal choice. If I want to support environmental causes, that's also my choice. I'm not going to jump on the proverbial bandwagon to champion these causes because Hollywood says it's trendy to do so.
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Until the Academy Awards, when they'll see fit to give the Oscar to the thousandth documentary about the Holocaust. You keep on maintaining that incompetence, Academy!
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You're an idiot. That's all.
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"Frost / Nixon"
"Slumdog Millionaire"
"The Dark Knight"
"The Curious Case of Benjamin Button"
All of the above are a lock for Best Picture. But since the Academy will cave to the pressure of being relevant and garnering ratings, they will nominate "The Dark Knight" the most awards so that the fanboys can foolishly think it has a chance to walk away with anything other than technical awards and "Best Supporting Actor" for Ledger. And it will get shut out. People will bitch, and the "Oscar" ceremony will be the highest rated in 4 years as a result.
Based on the fact that overblown crap like "Return of the King" could win, I don't see why "The Dark Knight" wouldn't have a chance. But since it's about "Batman" some other movie like "Slumdog Millionaire" will take it. Also I'm really hoping "Gran Torino" and "The Wrestler" are good as I am looking forward to see both soon. -
I think I would give the edge to Dark Knight though. It takes Pulp cinema to a level it hasnt seen since the peak of masters like Spielberg, Zemeckis, and Cameron. The film is just that good. Although Milk is an excellent film which Im sure a lot of cinephiles will dismiss because it's too straightforward a biopic, but those people are idiots.
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"The Dark Knight" is better than "The Departed".
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Dec 10, 2008 4:37:10 PM CST
Also anyone who doesn't think ledger had the years best performa
by industrykiller!
Is, on some level, ignorant to the art of acting. To be so unexpected with every line delivery and making something that over the top so honest and human is a feat up there with Day Lewis and Brando. It is the best performance of the year, inarguably.
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Dec 10, 2008 4:40:05 PM CST
Of the handful of negative Dark Knight reviews on Rottentomatoes
by the beef
...the majority of them came from New York critics (if I remember correctly). I assume that's why no Dark Knight love from the New York Film Critics Circle.
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Ray was slick entertaining bullshit which doesn't get you an ounce closer to its subject, Milk gets into the true measure of a man while also brilliantly capturing the time period in which he was created.
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...but that's not milk they're drinking. ZING!
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This will be the second year in a row where we will unquestionably know who is a lock for Best Supporting Actor for all of the awards season leading up to "Oscar". Last year it was a given Javier had it in the bag. This year if anyone thinks that this isn't Ledger's year is crazy. It's his.
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Yes, it is very difficult to take your assessment there seriously.
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Remember how they where the only critics that gave the film bad to mixed reviews when it came out? I guess the whole terrorism thing makes them uneasy.I still think it should at least garner a best supporting actor award, and IMO best picture (only because I haven't seen a movie this year that I liked more, although I haven't seen Slumdog or Button).
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this movie would have bored the hell out of me. It's only saving graces were James Franco and Allison Pill, both of whom deserve at least a Golden Globe nod. There must be some kind of correlation between a film's pretentiousness, and it's appeal to New York/California critics.
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...and nobody here's written about it? He was in CHRISTINE, BROADCAST NEWS, DEADMAN WALKING, and "Hill Street Blues". He was one of the great character actors. Where the fuck is his talkback?
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How do you people honestly think the film was that great? I think most people are just captivated by that first viewing which was quite suspenseful, and Ledger's iconic performance (which does deserve the award). But lets be real here, the flaws are very evident on multiple viewings. Horrible ending, in which they randomly decide to blame the Bat for the killings to set up a further story. Lame final climax with a stupid bit about ferry's and moral dilemmas. Did anyone actually think any party would push that detonator? Bale's voice made the character laughable, and the film had hardly any actual Batman in it. Let's not forgot the sloppy editing that plagued most of the film, and a few random subplots that were pointless. Sure, every scene with Ledger was engrossing, but a great performance doesn't equal a great film. I think all these fanboys are just still in shock over seeing a superhero crime-saga done that was better then most other films of the genre. Now they will insist for years to come it is one of the greatest films ever. Now that my friends, even the Joker would laugh at.
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I totally agree.
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Gay is this years Retard. Just as hot actresses going ugly was a big deal for several years. The academy has been a joke for quite some time so this isn't surprising. It hasn't been about the movie or the subject for years. It's been about who can create the most false sympathetic story about (insert social cause or controversial person here).
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i haven't seen anything oscar worthy this year other than dark knight.
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They didnt pin it on Batman to further the story, Nolan himself said that he never thought of a third film, they did it to show that Batman has become completely selfless in his Batman persona. Willing to sacrifice himself, in a manner of speaking, so that the people of Gotham can maintain hope in a dark time.
Whether I thought anyone would push that detonator or not is irrelevant, thats like saying a Batman movie can't be exciting cause we know that Batman cant possibly die. it's the journey of it and i thought it was a great thematic moment further exploring the good guy/bad guy/eternal nemesis relationship of Batman and the Joker and their dueling views of their environment. Nolan, instead of doing some ridiculous episode of the week scheme (ala X-Men or Spider-Man), really analyzed what the joker, as a character, ultimately wants and made THAT his scheme as opposed to some stupid device or heist. The ferry moment was a great culmination of that.
The movie may not have been ALL Btaman, but that would have made for a less interesting film. The great thing about a lot of superheroes is the characters surrounding them and Batman is no different. Every single character got their moment to shine with Batman being the link tying them all together, and as a result the film felt more epic, as much a Gotham City film as a Batman film. And lets face it, a hero is only as good as his villains, and the Joker is at least as interesting a character as batman so any Joker/Batman film that doesn't give that relationship its proper heft isn't doing its job right.
As for the editing, Im not really sure what you are talking about. I thought the action scenes in this were far superior to the terrible quick cut crap in Batman begins, I never once got lost or couldnt tell what was going on. Ok MAYBE when Batman was trying to thwart the swat team at the end the editing did get a little hinky, but Ill have to see it again and the conceit of that theme was so cool and so perfectly...I dunno...BATMAN....that I would probably give it a pass anyway. otherwise the action was tight. Batmans assault on the Hong Kong building was awesome, I love the fighting style they gave Batman in this film and, unlike Begins, I could actually see it this time. The car chase is EASILY the most thrilling action sequence of the year, I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. -
at the last minute and ruins it for all the movies you've been loving through out the year. This year it's MILK
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So sez Sithdan.
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performance in TDK is undeniably the element that pushed its viewership into the stratosphere. Yeah, TDK and Pirates of the Caribbean had the summer tentpole hype going for them in their respective years, but it all came down to unforgettable performances by an actor that catapulted those movies into major box office winners. Maybe Penn's performance in Milk is also amazing, but I'll be honest, I prefer an amazing performance AND the cool shit (big scale, suspense, adventure, etc.) for me to fully enjoy a movie.
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For the other 288,000,000 of us that don't, well, let's make up our own minds, shall we?
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I've stopped following awards because of shit like this. Of course the critics and award pickers are going to slobber all over Milk. I'm not even going to bother watching it because it's going to be one of those movies that the only people who care about it are the same level of retards that sit there and pick apart wine.
It's kinda like Sideways, I don't know how that movie was Best Comedy for that year because there were very few funny scenes in that whole thing, but of course the pretentiousness of it appealed to the people who judge movies, so bam, off it went.
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Hollywood throws us a gay movie and some movie about a priest/molestor and tells us 10,000 times how good and MOVING and IMPORTANT they are. Big fucking deal.
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oh wait, that's been pointed out already. i won't bother posting a message then.
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Dec 10, 2008 5:50:24 PM CST
I get it, Milk is a liquid beverage, the guys name is Milk
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
Do writers think making a puns on titles like that is clever or what?
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these talkbacks really are populated by some low-brow mouth-breathing bigots.
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Typical Hollywood.
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and the drones who will champion it just because it is about gays
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Just sayin'...
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Awesome. Other dissenters. TDK ain't all it's cracked up to be.
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Dec 10, 2008 6:15:57 PM CST
Don't worry phillistines. Theres Michael bay for you!
by industrykiller!
And he never puts those evil gays or a human message in any of his films. Hooray stupidity and ignorance!
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...are acting like jackasses.The art of film can serve many functions, and a movie shouldn't be dismissed simply because its subject matter addresses a particular political or social issue. I'll give you that sometimes awards have an obligatory slant, but for you to just pretend that films don't (or shouldn't) usefully serve this function by bringing issues to the limelight and don't sway minds is just stupid. As far as I'm concerned, it's an integral component of the cinematic arts, and I wouldn't be the person I am today without all the filmic input. I'd wager the same goes for most of you.
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I thought they were originally going to call this SPUNK.
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Dec 10, 2008 6:19:38 PM CST
You know what is white, creamy, and tastes good when it is warm?
by the dum guy
Milk.
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I'm sorry, I cannot take any movie like this seriously after watching http://tinyurl.com/5rqpaz
The Academy shouldn't give an Oscar to any film that sounds like it should win it just from reading the premise. It's just become so... predictable. -
Be honest though, do you really think the homophobes are going to voluntarily go and watch Milk and suddenly have their eyes opened? Fuck no, they're going to avoid it like the black plague.
The only people who are going to watch Milk are the people who are already in support of gay rights. They'll clap each other on the back and sing this movie's praises, and ultimately it will accomplish nothing. The proposition 8 debacle did a FAR better job of bringing the issue of gay rights into the forefront than Milk did. -
Dec 10, 2008 6:33:38 PM CST
You know what is white, creamy, and tastes good when it is warm?
by togsolid
Glue?
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Dec 10, 2008 6:34:16 PM CST
You know what is white, creamy, and tastes good when it is warm?
by disneyfanatic
Semen? Oh... did I ruin the joke?
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Boy in the Stripped Pajamas not good enough I guess.
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Saw it, didn't see the hubabaloo. Aside from Sean Penn's performance, which was very good, and some very nice direction by Gus Van Sant (Loved the "spreading the word phone montage" & Penn getting on an actual box labeled "soap" was funny) it settles into a mind-numbing repeating - empassioned speech, gay pride rally, Sean Penn makes out with a dude. Insert a random scene here and there of Brolin falling apart at the seams (liked him better as W. in W., BTW), and repeat for, like, 2 hours. Didn't get why people were all throwing rose-pedals at the feet of Franco - he was just the love interest. And, aside from the mayor (who also died) every single gay person was the heroic repressed minority, and every single straight person was the evil oppressors who were evil. And don't get me started on the wheelchair kid scene. If a movie is going to be the best of, lets do something different and unique like Wall-E, Dark Knight, or Rachel Getting Married.
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you know it to be true. Young @ Heart has Heart. And music. Man on Wire is just a freaky french dude making an ass of himself and walking on a tightrope. nicely made doc, like the "hiest movie" style B&W flashbacks, but just much hubabaloo about some guy who should have more sense to stay on the ground. ("Oh noes, it has the WTC which makes it tragic and deep!" Bah, who cares?)
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It really is worthwhile to watch that Soup parody of Oscar movies. By the numbers, made for Oscar movies.
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Like I said earlier in that limited format MILK really fits a lot in without being the readers digest version. The moments it picked to show really encapsulates the mans life and accomplishments. Not to mention, without being all Hollywood gloss, it portrays San Fran of that era brilliantly. I would say its much more revealing about the character of harvey Milk than, say, the more avante garde I'm Not There, did about Bob Dylan.
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At the end of the movie, Gordon refers to the people Dent killed..."5 dead, 2 of them cops" which Batman takes the blame for (though they could have just blamed the deaths on the Joker...minor issue) but I can't for the life of me think of these 5 people...I count 3.
The first person Dent kills is the cop in the bar (Wurtz?)...then comes Moroni and his driver...Ramirez "lives to fight another day"....so who else does Dent kill?
Even if you count Dent himself, that's still only 4. It doesn't take away from my enjoyment of the film, but for such a stellar script, it surpises me that the Nolans could have overlooked that hole...or maybe they didn't...
Can any of my fellow movie lovers help me out here? Who are the other 2 people that Dent killed and if Dent himself is one of them, who's the last? It has to be a cop since Gordon says that 2 of them were cops but Ramirez survived so...who? -
Do yourself a service and seek out Saved, a much more smaller gay movie. It doesn't all come together, but Judith Light (far away from Tony Danza sitcom mode)rises above temptation for a Christian wackjob stereotype and breathes life into a complex, tragic character.
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The only thing I can figure out is that Dent got blamed for the cop Joker shot at the hospital and which makes 4... if you don't count Dent as one, Ramirez could've been diabetic and while she was knocked-out she needed her insulin, but wasn't able to get it since she was unconscious in some alley.
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And I swear on my life that if Ledger were alive he STILL would've deserved to win Best Supporting Actor. Think about how furious every single one of you were when his casting was announced in 2006, and look at how incredible the result was. Fuck the hype, fuck everyone who thinks he only won b/c of the hype or that people only liked him b/c of the hype. That was a PERFORMANCE.
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What happened after Batman jumped out of the window to save Rachel? Harvey Dent was still locked in a closet somewhere in Wayne's penthouse, the Joker was still in control of a hostage situation. How the FUCK did no one realize that?
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...is Harry's obsession with Ledger's performance as the 2nd Cumming. Fucking ENOUGH already.
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How many of you politically-correct pussies have seen a Tyler Perry movie? Why not? Are you racist?
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Will homophobes go out of their way to see it? Probably not. I myself have been closely following a lot of this Prop 8 brouhaha, and I was barely aware of the specifics of Harvey Milk and the Prop 6 story, so it was certainly educational for me. Additionally, I bet there are plenty of middle-of-the-road people who might catch it and learn a thing or two. I know at least a few people who might not be in favor of Prop 8 but are largely complacent and apathetic about it when it comes to making a practical difference. Perhaps a story like Gus Van Sant's Milk could tip the scale for them.
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... boo-goddamn-hoo, a gay-themed biopic beat your little superhero movie. The way your collective panties are in a bunch ... well, let's just say it belittles your supposed masculinity. Freud called it projection. In middle school, they said "he who smelt it, dealt it." But whatever you wanna call it, ladies -- you doth protest too much. By the way, I fucking dare you assholes to spout some of these homophobic insults OUT LOUD at a popular gay bar on a Friday or Saturday night. You know, the kind populated by guys who actually exercise, go to gyms, and could kick your pasty, lazy asses. If you wouldn't say it to their faces, don't say it all, you virgin, basement-dwelling troglodytes.
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Ditto. I'm one of those anal assholes who want to chime in on the grammatical error. We love "Spellbound".
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simply because of the political nature of the movie and how it ties in to the recent vote in California. Shame politics will screw over better movies so the Academy can make a statement.
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Uh... Yeah. Doubt is about a lot more than that.
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It's embarrassing how lesser films win awards, simply for the fact that Hollywood needs to give stage to their causes. This will all lead up to Penn giving a stirring speech about how backwards America is at the Academy Awards. Sigh.
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In this world of indicted governors, a collapsed economy, a failing health care system, and the ever-present threat of terrorism, the possibility that The Dark Knight may not be nominated for an Oscar is one of The Major Tragedies of Our Time. To repeat myself: Boo. Goddamn. Hoo.
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I enjoyed The Dark Knight, thought it was a good film. I just don't think it's a GREAT film. Best superhero film, probably. That's still not saying much. I agree with you that Nolan did a great job of handling the Joker, but I personally didn't find the culmination of his madness nearly as gripping as it should have been. I also agree with you that supporting characters are important, but I don't see how a little more Bat action could have hurt. I'm not asking for loads more, maybe just a scene here or there. Something to make up for that LAME sonar part. They spend so much time on making it realistic, then that? Give me a fucking break. I still think blaming Batman was a cheap ploy, and maybe they didn't intend it to be, but it sure feels that way to me.
I'll also agree that the action was done far superior than in BEGINS, save for the lame SWAT/Sonar part. In all honesty, I didnt care much for Begins at all. Like it was mentioned above though, what happened to the Joker at Dents party? Why did the Joker spend so much time trying to kill Dent if it was in his plan to use him later? And upon that, how dumb could these cops be to let Rachel and Harvey get kidnapped under their own nose.
This list could go on, but why bother. One more thing though, probably the biggest. Why oh why oh why would they rush Dent's storyline like that? It was incredibly lame and anti climactic. That should have been the set-up for a third, or they should have added an extra 30 minutes and cut out other pointless subplots. Anyway, when it's all said and done, this is not a bad movie by any stretch, and it definitely an impressive feat for the Nolans. In the end though, it falls short of masterpiece, which does indeed suck. The hype also kills this film, as I said before, fanboys are relentless. Whatever, I still hope they do a third, and Ill still be there on opening night to see it. Sorry for the rant. -
How come when I make seperate paragraphs, they don't come out as such? I make a point of not having it all one big bunch but it comes out like that anyway. Am I not doing something I'm supposed to? Anyone one's help would be much appreciated, thanks.
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WHY IS NO ONE ASHAMED OF THIS VERY EMBARRASSING PLOT HOLE?!
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In order to use paragraphs in the TB format, you have to type (just minus the spaces in between).
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I mean the difference between really good and brilliant tends to be in the eye of the beholder. And yeah there are some logistical holes, but I think in the realm of comic book film that just comes with the territory. I mean its also like how did the Joker sneak all those explosives everywhere or how did he just drive a bus out of a smashed bank? Those are details you've gotta fill in. Personally I think comic book films have to be a little comic bookey to do the characters justice, after all we are working with archetypes. I thought Dark Knight hid its roots a little less than Begins, which I think its a completely mediocre film, and I think the results were much better.
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easily the biggest flaw with the film. And killing him off was an even bigger mistake, made the whole thing seem anti climactic. It would have been much more interesting if they sort of locked him away in Arkham and would have added sort of a moral conundrum of whether that was right or wrong. Moreover, why did Dent attack Gordons family? Given the story they set up him personally going after Batman would have made a lot more sense.
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Did I even mention TDK?
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It shoulda been "....has drunk a lot of MILK.."
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... considering the context of this thread and the direction of the conversation, I should have assumed that it was another movie you were bitching and moaning about. Please accept my sincere condolences over the unlikelihood of an Iron Man best picture nod.
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You've really got me pegged. I was actually hoping that someone like Mike Leigh would win an award.
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Dec 11, 2008 1:01:18 AM CST
101 Ways To Untie Your Panties When They Get Into an Inconvenien
by pdnoosh
... I'd carry on this conversation, but I need to polish my Madonna CDs and consult with my fellow gays on how to get Clay Aiken a Best Song nomination for next year's Oscars. TTFN! As for the homophobes, seriously fellas ... your insecurities are showing.
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Not thinking that Milk is the best picture of the year makes me a homophobe? I honestly don't know why you're directing your anger towards me. There are plenty of TDK-loving, gay-hating bastards in this thread.
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If you like a film, then you like a film. The category implies an animated film is of inherently less quality. This category needs to go away already.
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Milk and Public Enemies are my two most anticipated movies next year. I'm done with overblown popcorn movies. As for Ledger not winning; since when do they give out awards for Iconic performances?
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And fuck his pretentious, Oscarbating performances and films. He's also humorless, smug and combative. I'm with Trey and Matt when it comes to Sean Penn.
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It is a bit nitpicky to try and find every little plot hole in a film, because some things are supposed to be left to the imagination. Some I couldnt look past, however. Anyway, I'm glad were on the same page about Harvey Dent. I think both the Arkham idea for the third film, and the going after Batman bit at the end could have worked very well. Alas, we shall never know...Oh well, such is the way of cinema.
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And that would be the other reason critics are practically obligated to fawn over Milk. "That guy didn't think Milk was the best thing ever, he's obviously a homophobe!"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U_owSvbn00
Harvey didn't have a girly voice it was rather soft but coarse and very male. The voice was not effeminate. Wrong Voice Style Penn! It's like a neurotic ignorant hetero's "aren't all gays femalish in tone" idea of what a homosexual would act and sound like. -
The sickest thing in the trailer is GUS VAN SANTS self name dropage in big ass "can't ignore me" Text
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But Sean Penn's performance wasn't. It should be neck and neck between him and Ledger, and I'd be happy with either. And Slumdog may just be this year's Crash.
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... and Milk isn't even nominated, that doesn't necessarily mean homophobia is involved. And if the reverse case scenario occurs, it doesn't necessarily mean that the Velvet Mafia is involved. But all this whining about PC-ness, etc... well, as I said earlier, some of you wear your insecurities on your gown -- I mean, sleeve. And again -- I dare you to make your passive aggressive Milk-drinking jokes in the middle of a crowded gay bar surrounded by a bunch of muscle queens. I DARE you. By the way, some of you whining about this are likely some of the same people who bitched and moaned about the initial casting of a Brokeback Mountain actor into the sacred role of a comic book character. Ultimately, since I have an actual sense of perspective, I understand that the test of time and not awards usually determines what is decided to be a "classic" film. So while on one level I could care less which film gets more Oscar nods, I think it would be hilarious to see the collective cry-fest that would occur if TDK got shut out. So that's why I'm voting for "Another Gay Sequel" for best picture, and Madonna for best director.
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So yeah
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Dec 11, 2008 9:43:54 AM CST
THE NYC critics were drinking something white and wet, but I dou
by king kull
Yeah, let's celebrate Harvey Milk. He's another Lincoln. Another Washington. He's another...Harvey Fierstein. And let's see if America gives a damn, 'cause I sure don't.
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you must get rid of the "has" in the title. Without it, it is a stronger headline and, more importantly, grammatically correct. Good article nonetheless.
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Your challenge is retarded. How about you drive to East L.A. and start telling gangbangers how much you hate them? I DARE you.
Or go find a skinhead rally and tell them their all evil fucks. I DARE you.
Come on you pussy, I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU!! Yeah I didn't think so.
And no people I'm not comparing gays to gangbangers or Nazis, just pointing out Noosh's ridiculous challenge. -
... to say aloud what you type in a frenzy online in a real life situation. That's all I'm suggesting. Pussy.
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but then i looked over at Kurt Russel and he has laughing.
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...is that no one is going to walk into a room full of (whoever) and say something offensive to that group.
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Food critics who love to eat cheese giving a best food award to a cheese dish.
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I think dent had to die, I think with his death what they were saying in a way, that even though the joker was stopped, he still won, because more than the ferry set up, the Joker wanted to kill the HOPE for gotham, (DENT) and two, make Batman break his limits, which was a big point in the movie, batman has limits. shit the joker was laughing when he was hanging upside down cause he knew he'd still win.
i think it def had some cook booky elements, I mean, diving off a sky scraper and hang gliding in to a building, then jump back out with Lau and then getting hanked up by the sky hook, come thats was great.
I don't know if I'd call, joker still being at the party a HOLE, the joker probably just left, he's not a random killer he's very specific, so maybe when realizing that batman had some emotional connection to rachel, he simply left.
I definitely think that TDK, is at least bordering on a masterpiece, because it managed to become far more than a superhero movie, it was a big, almost epic, psychological crime drama.
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Batman kicked the collective shit out of the Joker's henchmen which is why the Joker took Rachel hostage and then tossed her out the window to escape. He wasn't very going to keep a room full of people in check by himself and his primary motive was to capture Dent anyway. I agree it's a tad jarring but common sense suggests the Joker fled after tossing Rachel. There was no reason to stay.
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create and resolve the Two-Face character in its last half hour it would be a 20% better movie. If they'd tried to make the Two-Face effect a little less cartoonish and more like real-world scarring, after laboring to give real-world-like trappings to almost every other aspect of the Batman story, add in another 5%. So I just made the movie 25% better while hardly trying. You're welcome.
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Here's my take after reading some of the Talkbacks. Take it for what it is.
JOKER IN WAYNE'S PENTHOUSE - This isn't a plot hole. Joker had no reason to stay because he thought Harvey Dent WAS Batman. Remeber what Joker says to Batman in the interrogation room - "For a minute there, I really thought you WERE Dent. The way you threw yourself AFTER her!" Joker's looking for Dent but, after watching Batman diving to save Rachel, he may think that Harvey Dent is Batman. So why stick around to keep looking for Dent? Later, Dent claims he's Batman, which brings Joker out in the open during the chase scene. Joker thinks Dent's still Batman which is why you get a "Hmm?" after the Batmobile takes out the garbage truck; if Harvey/Batman's in the police wagon, then who's driving the Batmobile? When Joker sees Batman on the BatPod later in the chase, he says "Now THERE's a Batman!" He then knows Dent's not Batman.
BATMAN TAKES BLAME FOR DENT'S KILLINGS - There's a few reasons this makes sense: 1) As the Mayor and Batman tell Dent, if there's anything negative about Dent the lawyers of all the criminals he's locked up will use it against him. If they knew Dent became homicidal, every conviction Dent made could/would be overturned including all the mobsters that were on the ferry. Batman couldn't let all those criminals go free so he takes the blame instead of Dent. 2) Remember what Maroni said to Batman, something along the lines of "We've figured you out and we're not afraid of you anymore". Maroni and the criminal element know Batman won't kill, which takes the fear-element away from Batman. Even though Gordon knows Batman didn't kill anyone, Gotham's criminals will be more afraid of Batman because he's supposed to have killed 5 people, including 2 cops (dont' ask me who the five are aside from Wertz, Maroni, and the driver!). Batman has the same "killer" rep in the comics but the law knows he never killed anyone. The possibility that he may kill them now makes Batman more scary and dangerous to Gotham's criminals.
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How was the Two-Face effect "cartoonish"? Granted, no one in the real world could even talk or function with a face scarred like that but you have to be true to the Two-Face character. Nolan's Batman movies are grounded in reality but you still have to suspend disbelief. If you believe that no one can have scarring like that in real life, then why believe in a guy who dresses up as a bat and fights crime? Also, I still don't think that Dent's dead. Maybe before Heath Ledger passed, yes, but it's not definitive that Dent's dead. Neither Gordon or Batman say at the climax that he is dead. The sure tip-off would've been Gordon saying something along the lines of..I forget the exact quote..."Gotham dies with Harvey". Instead he says "Harvey's reputation". Sure we'll see Dent alive and in a padded cell in Arkham in the next one. You got to bring him back because how else would Batman be able to clear himself of the crimes he's accused of commiting?
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Thinking more about that line "dies with Harvey's reputation", I wonder if that was the original line in the shooting script or if it was added in post-production after Ledger's death? I forget if Gary Oldman was on camera when he delivered that line or if he was off-camera and looped. Think he was off-camera but correct me if I'm wrong.
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in the comics. But you expend a great deal of energy trying to make the rest of the movie somewhat workable in real world conditions--yes, of course, it's still a fantasy--and then throw in a character walking and talking with a missing jaw and exposed skeletal muscle, it stands out like a sore thumb. Sorry. But hey, we're only talking about 5% improvement. The better choice would have been to introduce Two-Face in the hospital...but...er...elliptical TDK arguing makes me tired. A lot of people loved it. I didn't. It was OK but had a lot of flaws that didn't seem to bother a lot of folks. Oh well. I think that's the last thing I ever want to say about it.
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...Wall-E would win Best Picture come Oscar time. That was pretty great movie-making, animated or not. MILK is something I likely won't catch until it hits HBO, so I couldn't tell you anything about that one. Movies with an overt political agenda don't do anything for me. This doesn't just hold for MILK, it even includes the upcoming CHE; as amazing as Del Toro will likely be in it, I have no desire to spend $10+ to beaten over the head with a political wiffle-bat.
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What bothers me about Milk is that it's really a very important and amazing story for anyone who has ever seen the Oscar-winning 1984 documentary, "The Times of Harvey Milk". But I can't stand poseurs like Penn and Van Sant and it does seem like Oscar bait to me. However, AICN mouth-breathers, please stop generalizing and blaming gays for the situation, instead of the egos involved. Some of you talk like you are not only proud of the arrogant privilege of your birth that allowed you to fall into a category in which 90% of all media is geared to please you, but that anyone else daring to ursurp your daily supremacy for even a moment is a supreme force of evil to be shunned mocked or ignored. Not watching Milk doesn't make you a homophobe, but shitting on the real story of the man, and everyday gay people, just because you are pissed over the film as oscar-bait potentially beating your little comic-book movie makes you look truly retarded, myopic, and pathetic. Watch the original Milk doc, for a truly good film.
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Spot on sir.
I think from looking at the talkbacks, is one of the reasons I think that TDk not getting a Best Pic, Director, and by far Screenplay. It was just such a layered movie with so much going on and it all worked so well. and on top of that they killed one of the main characters, which isn't done often.
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