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UPDATED!! The New TERMINATOR SALVATION Trailer...NOW IN GLORIOUS QUICKTIME!!
Merrick again...
You can find the official release of the trailer...in all kinds of Glorious QuickTime...by following the pic.
Merrick here...
Here's a new TERMINATOR SALVATION trailer, from Japan (so says the YouTube title of the video).
I'm not sure if this is the same material that'll show up on E.T. tonight (previewed HERE), but I'm guessing it pretty much is.
This is supposed to hit theaters Friday.
Pulled by Request of Studio - Expect a high res version this Evening to hit the nets!
Merrick here...
Here's a new TERMINATOR SALVATION trailer, from Japan (so says the YouTube title of the video).
I'm not sure if this is the same material that'll show up on E.T. tonight (previewed HERE), but I'm guessing it pretty much is.
This is supposed to hit theaters Friday.
Pulled by Request of Studio - Expect a high res version this Evening to hit the nets!
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... this film is gonna rock.
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Dragons vs. Robots...
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If it was in the hands of the Children of Men director I would've been very stoked. But then again, it looks to be a solid action movie, and we can all act like there's more to Terminator than that... but quite frankly... it just has to be a solid action movie to surpass the third one.
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... in 2009 I still wanna see AVATAR, WATCHMEN, THE LOVELY BONES, STAR TREK, SHUTTER ISLAND and INGLORIOUS BASTERDS before TERMINATOR SALVATION!
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Bale's great, but is he going to be doing every role now whispering his lines in an Eastwood rasp?
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for this to be good. I only own Terminator 1. I like Terminator 2, and Terminator 3 is watchable if it's 3am and it's on TV. I really hope this is just kind of an elaboration on Kyle's flashbacks from the original. Those flashbacks were bleak.
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it needs to be DARKER..
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Get a new "scary voice", Bale. Christ, your throat must be killing you after these flicks. What do you do, smoke seven packs before you act?
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And I pretty much think McG is a joke. Kudos Mr G. If this delivers you have my respect. Cus like I'm sure that really matters to you.
But honestly, that is a cool trailer, apart from the bikes I've liked everything thats been leaked or released and with confirmation that the godawful spoiler that was posted here isn't true this should be a great movie. Bale is a good judge of scripts usually. -
and probably not what Cameron ever intended...but then again, the TV show is pretty damn good!!
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Dec 09, 2008 12:19:03 PM CST
I don't know it it's a Terminator movie but it looks like...
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...something I'd like to see...if you know what I mean.
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Whoever wrote last night's episode should be fired off the show. That was one of the most pointless filler episodes I've watched, ever.
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...why would bale do this?
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screw christian bale
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...I would define "craptacular" as something cheesy and over the top yet irresistible. Reign of Fire (to stay on topic) was three different flavors of CRAPTACULAR.
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... but I have to say that Salvation looks really cool. In the name of St. Cameron, please do not suck.
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T3 sucks
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I thought we were gonna see Arnie-bot again! thats gonna ruin it. and it looks too bright.... and does look like transformers.... and i get the feeling an alternate timeline just isnt going to feel right.
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Where's Fox McCloud when we need him!?
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This will be rated PG-13, which will neuter the franchise. Even the despised T3 had an R rating.There will be a lovable tyke in danger. Which is beyond cliche at this point.
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It should of have Summer Glau reprise her role as Cameron. Plus...1.) The trailer looks weak. 2. It looks like a Transformers rip-off. 3.There's no sense of scope in the film. 4. Did I mention Summer Glau needs to be in it. 5. The second season of TTSCC has been CRAP! THEY BARELY SHOW CAMERON! AND THERE'S NO SENSE OF FUN ANYMORE. It's mostly Derk with that whore from battlestar, or Sarah talking to pregnant ladies. Where's the John and Cameron moments they had together like in Season 1?
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jesus how many freaking times is this clown going to have you guys sitting up and begging?
Personal Opinion. 3rd film should have been done by Cameron and should have been a prequel to T2 and a Sequel to T3, set in this future and ending with either connor sending the T800 back or his father back. That's the only way any of this Bull$$$$$hit makes sense and to see the future JAMES CAMERON envisioned, not fucking McG. -
Big robots. Lots of gunfire. Bale. Everything - minus my knowledge of the director - is telling me this might be the one thing that isn't Avatar which will be fucking my eyeballs in 2009.Please be good. Please be good. Please be good.
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I'm looking forward to it
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Prequel to T2 andSequel to Terminator 1, not that crapfest T3, my bad
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Definitely read that wrong. Oh and regarding the trailer: meh.
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This is a guy i have complete respect for, that leaving reign of fire outside (and it wasn't THAT bad), he knows how to choose projects and by what he has been into i don't think he cares a lot about money, so if he is in this movie, he must have seen something that made him do it. Maybe a good Script, who knows, but i trust his judgement and i will see this movie day one, McG is a loser and i hate him, but i think he's not that bad of a director, this movie will live of fail by the script, if it has a good script and McG follow it to the T, then it will be very good, Maybe Great, if it has an average Script McG don't have the skills to make a great movie...
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it could show bale taking a crap and as long as that music is playing in the background I would be stoked
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(whenever he gets to it this week), rewatched TDK last night. Beau-fuckin-tiful on BD. And I think the strength of it, is that the story could simply be told without the trappings of the "superhero" tag. The characters are storyline are what carry that film.
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The movie is going to need the theme from the original used throughout the film, otherwise it's going to feel too much like transformers.
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... what the fuck? AICN staff has a day-off today or something?
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This looks over-wrought yet dull. I am not looking forward to McGerminator.
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looks really gritty and spent. GREAT vibe going on. Bring on Arnold!
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I didn't even know she was in this.
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Suits the man.
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That would have been awesome.
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with Jose Ferrer as The Presdient
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on the show last night?
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Is that Christian Bales normal speaking voice now?
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THAT would be awesome.
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This looks awesome. That shot of the T-600 glancing down slightly - chills. Guess McG isn't the f*cktard I thought he was. My bad.
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..have a link to that website that wa supposed to be some Terminator spinoff? With the hokey futurecam videos?
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Congrats for having ZERO FUCKING VISION. And you know what, the jokes on you cuz his voice is fucking awesome, and you would rather take a smug, incredulous view rather than see it for what it is: AWESOME.
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trailer looks cool, but anybody can edit a good trailer of a crappy film, this is gonna be a nice looking-generic-testicle free pg-13 action movie and that's it.
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I want Terminator: Salvation The Musical with Williams wearing his "Swan" wardrobe. Only way this flies if you ask me.
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...wow! I'm still pissed about the squid, but the rest looks great...where's our talkback on this?
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This is going to be funny watching all the bitchin turn to silence then turnaround so slowly there's some McG Lovin!
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I don't remember the film having any voilence that would warrant an R rating. She even killed the kids in the beginning off screen. I don't recall it being anymore violent than "Die Hard 4".
As far as this trailer is concerned, I'll go see it. It's Terminator after all. And instead of bitching, I will check it out and see for myself if it fails miserably. But from what I have seen it looks good. Can't please everyone. All I want is a simple action movie that entertains me for two hours without being as over the top stupid as "Wanted" was. -
At least there are no shapeshifting liquid Terminators in this. My guess is that Kyle will have been experimanted by Skynet and at the end he'll betray John.
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I bet he wishes he'd kept using his gruff Batman voice....
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I thought they ended up killing/skinning john at the end and dressing up the terminator as John for.....inspiration. Meh. Why the need for a fucking twist all the time? Why the need for giant bipedal transformers? Or new machines at all? Cameron's machines were fine. Maybe we'll get arctic attack terminator and swamp action terminator and desert campaign terminator, with kung fu grip.
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I thought that this movie was being shot as an R rating. That's why WB moved HP6 to Summer 09. Sure money to offset the "Riskier" projects like the R rated "Watchmen" and the R rated "Terminator 4". Aside from those films, what else does WB have? 2009 is looking slim. You better believe that WB will stop at nothing to ensure that this film garners enough good will from the fans to warrant the next two sequels in this new "Terminator" trilogy. And I thought the twist ending with John being skinned was debunked as a rumor.
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Damn you to hell.
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You can quote me on that.
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Yea I have no idea, that's why I mentioned it. I thought so-and-so was upset that this had been leaked, but who knows these days. It would be silly, but perhaps not more silly than time-traveling robots. It's funny how we suspend disbelief for certain things then get upset for others.
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The dialogue sounds like it was written by Kurtzman/Orci. I know Jonah Nolan wrote it though.
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Is that the asian chick from the TV show?? I would be impressed if they had any level of tie in with SCC TV show... This looks highly watchable to me.
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It's some other asian
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Dec 09, 2008 1:23:59 PM CST
Yep. 1973 Paul Williams. Dressed like the Phantom of the Paradis
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Singing Emmett Otter songs to a cyborg Kermit the Frog. The Kerminator.
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I rather like the look of this, especially the MAD MAX moment with the post-apocalyptic pursuit past wrecked cars. As others have said, most of us geeks have pretty low expectations for this film. It's the fourth in a series after all, and the director has a weak track record. But at least SALVATION's taking things in a new direction, by being set wholly in the ruined future. What's more it has a leading man that brings conviction and acting skills to the table. Who knows, taken on its own merits this flick might actually be pretty damn entertaining.
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I liked what I saw in this trailer...there may yet be some hope that this new Terminator Movie will be the start of a new trilogy that will rock!
Nice to see that the Art concepts that were shown here a while back (before being forcibly removed by the Studio)...the Half Human looking Terminator Unit, The Giant Harvester and...the Motorcycle Terminators are actually in the film too and they look pretty damn cool.
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Dec 09, 2008 1:26:44 PM CST
so is this gonna play with day the earth stood still?
by indyabbey jones
if so its also got the wolverine trailer, and the film itself actually looks pretty decent..perhaps i'll have to venture out of the basement this weekend to see it
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This looks bad ass. All you stupid bitter hateful fanboys can sucka fat baby´s dick.
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well since it's from Japan I will say sugoi and onoshiroi.
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i wonder what it offers to him other than the moolah. i think he's an excellent actor. love him as Batman and still laugh whenever i think about him in American Psycho. i'm not getting on him; i'm just curious what he sees here.
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British accent, sort of Asian looking...looks an awful lot like Moon Bloodgood...interesting.
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Arnold? or that robot that was Arnold?
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Doesn't mean it will suck. The Bourne series rocked.
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The only scene that could justify the R rating I remember is when the terminator thrusts her/his/its arm through the guy driving the car. Other than that? Maybe excessive sci-fi violence...
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And Connor Chronicles is getting better all the time (though I haven't watched last night's episode, yet....)
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Looks just like some radom highway desert thing going on. A lot. Looks shit. Probably will see it anyway. Suck it in. Suck it in. And breathe.
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Seriously, is this Mad Max 4?.
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And you know Ray's always right
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Its hard to really judge a movie from trailer anymore because any movie can look good for two minutes,coughcoughTPMcoughcough, but maybe THE G did do something good with this movie.
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...I do have to say that it looks sort of un-McG like, so that's a plus. I'll need to see this footage in a higher resolution, before I can say more about it.
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Trailer was on iTunes, thanks for the heads up. great preview. I can't wait.
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Because so much happened in a subtle way. Sarah's losing control of both John and Cameron. Cameron doesn't trust either of her handlers, and has come up with an alternative plan. She is involved in a single-minded pursuit of any Terminators that might emerge, so she's made friends with a handicapped guy in Archives who adores her. She really wants to have her 'own life', just as much as John does. They just go about it in different ways. I thought the idea of her searching for Terminator incursions in the dustbins of history was very clever, indeed. Also, how the writer showed, rather than told us, how even at her best, the present damaged Cameron has a hello of time making friends with humans. I'm actually looking forward to the next season, when we find out what that Scottish redhead TX is actually plotting. Think about it for minute. The black FBI guy works for her, and the Connors know where he lives. Tracking the Connors back to their home would be child's play. No, Redhead Ex-Garbage vocalist has something entirely different in mind for the Connors, and I suspect, Cameron.
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There was no great set piece moment that gave me goose bumps or got me excited. The Christian Bale VO seemed forced - like they're tryin' real hard to let us (and Bale) know there's a human element here.
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if so, it'll also have thw wolverine trailer plus it actually looks like a decent movie..perhaps i'll need to leave the basement this weekend and see it..where are the early reviews?
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From the looks of that trailer, I noticed a scene with John Connor laying next to a Terminator endoskeleton. I think they have included the John Connor Dies and is transferred into a robot ending. If So, booooo
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I won't even read any talkbacks about his movie until it opens. i don't want the fat fatties here spoiling it for me with their massive whale-like crying.
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Nobody can talk shit about T3's ending... shit was haunting... nothing wrong with it!
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So I guess those pesky machines have been busy fucking with the time-lines, so now John Connor has to fight a different war: one he might not win! It could be really good but it's far too early to tell. I hope this delivers, I really do.
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not the trailer, but the comic-con clip
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That the script shot was quite different than the one he agreed to star in. That, in fact, Nolan had a killer draft that was glossed over by a doctor to include more action beats.
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That Watchmen footage on iTunes is the 1st bit of promotional footage I've loved since the teaser, and I love this far more. Anybody else get the feeling they released this because of the not-so-great reactions from the fans to the most recent trailer? Just as a reminder that Zach may actually have gotten the tone right after all, and that trailer was for non-fans?
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They showed, without telling, again what the Three Dots were all about. Except...how is anyone, even Cameron supposed to do calculations based on blood smears on a wall? Good writing overall.
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It felt like a Mad Max clone and just felt a little boring.
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If back in 1983 someone had told me that the next project from the director of Piranha 2 was a movie about a terminator droid came from the future with the intention to kill the mother of who was going to be the leader of the Human race in a war between man and machines, and a soldier came from the future as well who has to stop that droid from fulfilling his mission, well, I would have laugh at the idea. The moral of the story: as much as I disliked both Charlie's Angels movies, I'm not going to be bashing T4 until I have more tangible evidence that it will suck, specially seeing that that trailer was actually cool.
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Makes me realize how awesome Christian Bale would be in Mad Max if they have to make it.
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Where you guys THAT dissapointed with Charlie's Angels Full Throttle? He's only done a few movies, and most were OK to Good. Full Throttle was the only stand-out stinker. Is this like the Ratner hate, where you guys get all foamy at the mouth because the other geeks hate him, and if you can't fit in here, then where can you fit in? So you all have to see who can hate the loudest, otherwise you might not fit in? Spontaneous Geek Hatred Syndrome. I don't even know why I bother with the talkbacks, it's always the same, 12 year old girls (or grown men trying to sound like 12 year old girls) all screaming their hatred of a movie they will all wind up seeing and most will like, and which is better then anything they will ever be involved in making. Pathetic. Are there any movie forum sites for grown-ups?
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haha sorry john.
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That better, Flikapoo? I'm referring to the unnecessary pregnant deep woods cabin, future disease survivor episode, not the wheelchair library cancer episode.
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Summer Glau should be in it, and have her clothes burned off at some point. She will continue to kick ass in the nude. Make her like a barbie doll down there if you have to, since girl bush is rarely seen in films nowadays (as girls nowadays usually have no bush to show... not that I'm complaining).
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Question I have for McG.
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I always expected it to be a nuclear winter of some sorts after WW3- where theres so much ash in the sky that the sun is never seen in full clarity. Something no one else has mentioned. I never looked at he future war scenes in Camerons flick like they took place at nighttime. I thought it was ash related, thanks to all the structural damage and fires caused by the bombage.
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The ash would settle out over a few years...
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Man would that fucking suck or what. I really will be surprised if this is over a PG-13. "that gosh darn robot tried to harm me :(" dang it.
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Looks great...except for Common. What the hell is he doing in this?
I like it when you see these movies and you don't know the actors, except for may be the lead roles.
But Common looks stupid in the movie just like Jada Pinkett-Smith looked stupid in the Matrix movies.
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I feel for the guy.
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Dec 09, 2008 2:30:23 PM CST
looks like.......SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by westonian
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...I have a growing suspicion that McG may have pulled off something worth checking out. Of course, I may have also lost my mind...
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Seriously. Is that girl even alive? She's got doll's eyes, man.
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It's been pulled here but it's still on youtube... I watched it a few moments ago. I think it looks cool. I'll definitely be there on opening weekend.
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Thanks for the very interesting post. Please elaborate on the three dots post.
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Worst Terminator ever.
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I liked both of your posts. The clear sky answer is plausible enough. And I agree that the hater posts got old a long time ago... Thoughtful critiques that question creative choices make for more interesting posts than trashing rants.
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were used by a terminator when he stared up at the night sky to plot stars in order to determine the exact date he jumped back in time. You saw this in his HUD. Sarah herself saw three dots in blood on a wall and I think it has to do with the terminator calculating time. He had accidently jumped too far into the future and was what... 40 years too early. Something like that.
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I snagged it moments before it went down, and now it can be endlessly re-uploaded. Take that!
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and can you give us a link to that glorious FLV? ;-)
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D'oh! I meant thanks for both posts, not just the one. I especially like your take on the TX's intentions. Seems to me that she is not just looking to destroy humanity, she's looking to acquire humanity. She has shown a growing curiousity about what makes us tick.
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http://www.sendspace.com/file/4m41cc
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Thanks for the reply. I thought Zinc was referring to last night's episode, which to me was the last episode. I had thought about the three dots in that way, (stars/time fix) but it seems too simple a way to communicate such a complex calculation. I'm more inclined to think it has another meaning. And if it was "shown without being told" in last night's episode, I missed it.
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Moon Bloodgood is Blair Williams NOT Jesse. They aren't connected so fucking stop it. Great trailer.
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you rock all kinds of ways :-)
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I half watched a Uwe Bole film and can sort of understand the hate wagon there (if you were a fan of the video game franchise that he wrecked havoc on). But otherwise nothing else of his has been on my watch list to generate any ire on my part.
I've skimmed the talkbacks here of flaming McG and I can't take any of the criticism seriously. I've gone over his credits and he's worked on shows like Chuck and Supernatural (I totally love Chuck and moderately enjoy Supernatural) and he directed the film "We Are Marshall" which as I recall got good reviews.
Sure I find the previews to this Terminator film too "bright" and the large robot TOO reminiscent of Bay's Transformers, but I, for one, am going to keep an open mind.
If it's crap, it's crap, and I ignore it like the other crap films that have come out this decade. If it's good, kudos, I'll be pleased. If it's great, I'll be pleasantly surprised and may revisit the theaters for multiple viewings. -
This year exhausted me, with a new 007, Batman, Coens, and Indy film. Nothing in '09 is really looking that spectacular, but for some reason I'm drawn to this. The Terminator franchise in general isn't very sacred to me- I enjoy T3 almost as much as T2... Hopefully it'll be surprisingly good the same way SPEED RACER was.
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this is a trailer, thus it can only advertise and drum up excitement for the film. I'd never upload a commercial program, and seeing as how this plays on ET in a few hours I don't see how this being taken down will help anything. It makes me want to catch ET tonight so I can hear the hosts' lead-in, and see the English logos and better quality video!
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You're very welcome skynetbauxi!
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Because this site is full of comic wannabe's who wouldn't know a good movie if it fucked their mom in the ass. I hate the fucking talkbacekers. Bunch of cunts.
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Dec 09, 2008 3:21:49 PM CST
The "Asian", as you dumbfucks would say, is Moon Bloodgood from
by backrivercatfish
And she's hot!!!!!!
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It's just Transformers but set in a 'new, different' future, i.e. NOT the one given to us by James Cameron in his two classic flicks. Unless T4 ends with us in Cameron's future, with HKs and plasma beams and everything, then McG has failed. Though to me it looks like he's done a decent job, and Bale is so right to play a credible version of a character that's been done so many times now he could easily be a parody. Btw I thought Bale was hardly supposed to be in this first film??? That he wasn't the central figure and that he would turn up more in the sequel???? Perhaps they saw sense and realised John Conner HAD to be focussed on. The spoiler about him being killed and then being a Terminator for the sequel is completely insane, but it STILL might work. Make the TV series look fucking ridiculous though. All the character work, John's human development, all that is pointless because he leads the Resistance: Fall of Man, Fallout 3 as a fucking Terminator. A MACHINE!!!! Sarah should still be alive to smash his motherfrakking skinjob chip to pieces, the cocksucking motherfrakker!!!
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If anyone has the flv file, pause it at the bit where he says "If we stay the course we are all DEAD!" and look at the expression on Connors face; eyes wide open, I think he fucking DOES die in this. But surely they wouldn't have given a major plot point away in the teaser?...
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The new robots were apparently designed by the same team who ruined Tranformers. The whole thing looks like footage from a "Making of..." video. Like they're flying over a movie set. Nothing looks natural or real. It looks like the desert rather than Judgement Day. Probably because it is. Truly awful.
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That's like so, 2006.
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SOLD.
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...They seem to be implying that Worthington is a Terminator, or at the very least has a hand in sending the terminators back, which is kind of a big twist in the series. Trailer was, I don't know, not bad, but it DOES look a lot like Transformers, or something Bay or Nispel would shoot, rather than something from Cameron. Plus, the trailer didn't really have much of any one thing in it, action or story. Felt more like a looong teaser. Yeah, I can see why they pulled it. I'm guessing the Yank cut will be more concise. Or hoping it will be.
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That dude bitches about T2 in every single talkback. Even the not-Terminator talkbacks. It's kind of odd when you think about it.
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If people think otherwise they're simply elistist nerds with something up their ass. Even with this trailer, you'd have to try to not be entertained by it.
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Here: http://tinyurl.com/62749m
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Good movies fuck my mom in the ass??!! This is disturbing news, and yet it explains her odd sideways shuffle the week after Dark Knight came out. And the day after Iron Man, she wouldn't sit down. Oddly enough, after she saw this preview, I did NOT notice her reaching for the lube. This does not portend well for the next Terminator...I'm just saying
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Dec 09, 2008 3:45:34 PM CST
optimus122 - people want McG to fail simply because ...
by theyreflockingthisway
of his name. That's all really. He did make the Charlie's Angels films too, but you can't write someone off for a couple of poor "popcorn movies".
I honestly think if McG used his full name he'd get a lot more respect. This film could be amazing but people will still hate McG because if you are privildged enough to be in the position to direct such expensive films, the least you can do is acknowledge that by using your full name. Using a three letter abbreviation that sounds "cool" instead makes it seem like you simply don't care and that you see directing as a right of yours rather than a privilidge.
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ok i get it, thats cool, hopefully summer glau makes a cameo and they tie a plot into the season finale of the TV show..yep follows the Tv show
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As far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist. And yes, that's Moon Bloodgood!
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Damn You Michael Bay
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the TV show, and please tell me that was Moon Bloodgod in the preview.
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I don't dislike him because of his name. He can call himself Ronald McDonald for all I care. I personally dislike him cause he did not make a single good film so far, and I pray to Odin that he redeems himself with this film.
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IMDB anyone?
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a few frames past that scene youa re referencing you see a shot of John Connor laying next to a endoskeleton. I truly believe he dies in his physical form and is transplanted into one of the machines. Also, why is he saying that Sam Worthington killed his father and tried to kill his mother? Plus it looks as if this is a re-written future based on changes that have happend in the past. So the Future that was once known of John Connor saving the human race, does that no longer exist?
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I haven't given this any chance at all, what with Highlander, Blade and just about any TV series based on movies constantly soiling the memory of the originals. Does it tie in well with the Terminator series or do you have to watch it with a belief that it's merely a spinoff?
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can anyone give me a link to the website that was either a Fan film product or tie in with the movie, that started with the creation of a camera that could take future images of present day locations?
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Moon Bloodgod. Also, is this based off the TV show? heavysarcasmheavysarcasmheavysarcasmpleasegetitthistime
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the coolest thing this film could do is show an action sequence (preferably near the end) which is revealed to be Kyle Resse's final battle before he's sent back through time.
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Dec 09, 2008 4:58:30 PM CST
Pulled by Request of Studio - Expect Shitty movie soon!
by leafar the lost
Fuck the studio! I mean it, fuck those sons of bitches!
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Dec 09, 2008 5:04:55 PM CST
For similar apocalyptic stuff, albiet in a gamey Resident Evil w
by [stars]tyrant
http://tinyurl.com/59oww9
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Dec 09, 2008 5:06:58 PM CST
I Don't Know From McG, But The Best Part Of This Will Be...
by laserpants
when it comes out, is pretty cool, makes a ton of cash, is better than T2 and T3 (since it actually deals with shit we're interested in seeing -- Future War), and reading the fanbots shitting themselves with rage as they binge eat, weep, eat some more, jerk off, eat, weep, and eventually admit to themselves that it's good. Meanwhile, AVATAR bombs, eyeballs unfucked.
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is she in this?
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Dec 09, 2008 5:14:45 PM CST
1) It's not connected to the show 2) Marucs is not a Terminator
by umaga
Connor thinks he is because he has a metal endoskeleton. But he ain't.
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I totally agree with you concerning film to TV adaptations... Highlander... Blade... The Crow... the list is endless and horrible.
That said, I am a bit surprised with the Terminator TV version. It is not BSG, Sopranos, The Wire or Deadwood great by any stretch... but I would say that it strives to be more then the sum of its parts.
Time travel stuff is always tricky at the best of times and if you can get your head around how the Connor's are in present day LA while keeping continuity with T3 that established Sarah Connor had died of cancer years previously then you may enjoy the series.
Basically the premise is that SkyNet has not only sent back Terminators to kill John Connor, but it has also sent back Terminators to infiltrate and prepare for the delayed, but still upcoming, Judgment Day. It puts events in motion to give SkyNet the upper hand in the future and tries to steer present day events so that Judgment Day is a certainty through assassination, market manipulation, industrial espionage etc. The Connor's, with the help of other scattered resistance fighters who have been sent to present day, try to stop SkyNet and its agents.
As I said... not great, but not the embarrassment I had thought it would be.
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First, let me say that Bale is really not that good of an actor. he's decent, but on the fence between good and bad. The same thing that most people are saying, is his voice, the lisp. He's delivery is becoming the same, kinda like Harrison Ford. I can't believe he signed on for another series of films. Oh, and he seems like a pompous prick too.
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C-can a robot and a h-human find wuv? Of course they can! On Wish-Fulfillment For Obese Virgins Island: The Series! Now listen close as millions of basement dwelling trolls furiously jerk off to the idea that they too can one day touch a reasonable facsimile of a female human being... who is really a bad ass robot assassin, er, make that, bad ass waif-robot assassin turned good guy from the future who falls in love with a... oh forget it.
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Yep, that's the scene I'm talking about, when he's talking to Marcus (Sam Worthington) I think he's talking in general, you as in one of your kind killed my father and tried to kill my mother. I think the future was rewritten after the events of T2, into what, i don't know, roll on summer 2009.
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I might give this a chance. I never watched smallville, but have cringed when I've heard of the cameo's in it, but it's not in the same league as BSG. I'm also going to give Deadwood a go as I like the premise and setting. Perhaps the Wire too.
As to continuity....didn't they leave the Sarah Connor story open when (i can't remember exactly) Kyle said that she went into hiding before the war?
The problem with the series seems to be the time travel aspect, which has become Heroes's downfall. That said, I was going to stay loyal until the end of the series then give it up, but the last episode was pretty decent.
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The way they bring Sarah Connor back into the series after her death is rather convoluted and complicated... better that you wiki T3, TSCC and Sarah Connor for the details. I'll just muck it up because I don't remember the details of her death in T3 very well, other than the cancer element. But you are right; like Star Trek and other series, the time travel thing is a bit of a cheat for writers and can weaken a show's plot or overall story arch.
I have not seen Heroes yet... I have the first season on DVD, but have yet to break the shrink wrap on it... there are only so many hours in a day! Perhaps over Christmas vacation I'll sit down and commit to it.
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one, this movie is hella dark. two, we get some epic fucking battles between humans and Skynet. three, the fucking TERMINATOR socre is used throughout the movie because it's prolly one of the haunting scores ever... three, they don't deviate too far from Cameron's idea of the future.
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A warning about Deadwood: Not exactly a family show. If you have kids, best you watch it after they go to sleep.
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http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/terminator-salvation/japanese-trailer
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Sam and Dean would hold a seance to contact Ronald and find out how to deal with the rise of the "mandroids".
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...and I have to say, it looks cool enough for me to be interested. I'm curious to see where they're taking this property (one that I thought should have ended with T2).
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Watching it in HD for the fifth time now. What a great trailer.
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I wonder if that gas station is the one where Sarah Connor refuels at the end of T1, and
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http://movies.apple.com/movies/wb/terminatorsalvation/terminatorsalvation-tlr2_h480p.mov
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Answer: "Those hands have been busy."
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Too many hours on the firing line have destroyed my hearing.
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No worries, you are welcome. And take it easy on those ears.Cheers!
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Yep.
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http://www.vimeo.com/2476347
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I had to turn the volume up to hear it better.
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My motherfuckin' ass in seat opening day if not sooner! My distaste for McG is VASTLY outweighed by my taste for Moon. Bloodgood, indeed. Plus, you know, Bale.
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Full trailer is on the apple site. Didn't see no room full of Arnies. At the moment it just looks and feels like a generic hollywood action flick ala Will Smith. Definitely needs more of the original music
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T3 fucked T2 and T1 up; all the dramatic pull of the first two films was destroyed by the third (and now fourth) film saying 'ohhhh but that wasn't REALLY what triggered Skynet taking over!!' Everything you rooted for in T2, everything poor Joe Morton suffered and died for is now rendered moot and hollow. What the hell is the purpose of this film? Didn't Skynet begin its takeover in T3? And this is what, 5-10 years later? So what now? I've never understood fans or execs who think "Duuuude, the Terminator movie we have to see is the War of the Machines!" You do realize such a movie would be nothing but 120 minutes of the glimpses we saw in T1 and T2 elongated beyond its limits: Endless murky night footage of sweaty, dirty people fighting CGI and hydraulic equipment, then stopping suddenly when the crucial battle is fought and the goal is reached OFFSCREEN, i.e. by TIME TRAVELERS IN A DIFFERENT ERA NOT DEPICTED IN THE FILM? Or are these people suggesting this film's purpose is to change all that history, thereby rendering any of the events in T1-T3 completely irrelevant? This isn't like the Star Trek re-do, where there is a long time-honored precedent for altered timelines and the series has reached its nadir and needs to be rebooted; T1 and T2 are both fine-ass films that don't need to be undone. So what exactly is the upshot of this movie? People in sepia tones and at night, wearing torn fatigues and fighting CG tin men? For what purpose? John Connor waiting around for supertwink Anton Yelchin to grow up, go back in time and fuck his mom? Is the dramatic focal point REALLY supposed to be Connor and Sam Worthington stopping or failing to stop the creation of the T-800 Terminator? Is that it? Because the T-800 is a foot soldier; what really won or lost the war was time traveling intrigue between humans and a far more advanced Terminator. In fact, a T-800 is the only reason Connor is alive to see this film. And what would be the point of Connor becoming a Terminator or whatever? Again, a future war Terminator film makes no sense because EVERYTHING THAT MAKES TERMINATOR WORK AND CLIMAXES THE STORYLINE HAPPENS IN THE PAST.
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That should just about seal the deal on this turd.
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There's a shot of Connor standing in front of a few T-800 endoskeletons in a warehouse. Them there's a shot of someone naked picking up a mini gun. It's Roland Kickinger who's face is getting the CG treatment.
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Pick something else to complain about.
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http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/terminatorsalvation/
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Anybody look carefully at the trailer up on Apple? Pause at about 1:30 of this new trailer 2.
Maybe I'm wrong, but that sure looks a super shitload like Stephanie Jacobsen (Jesse) of TSCC. On the show, she plays Derek Reese's girlfriend. I know that the producers of the film and TV show had their heads together before season 2. Maybe this is part of what that was about.
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that could be Moon Bloodgood, but the similarity would be way creepy.
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you tried to kill my mother! You killed my father! And you are not going to kill me! Ugh. DON'T CAST FAMOUS RAPPERS/SINGERS in established movie franchises. Oh look, Common is saving john Conner. The moment hough, that really hit it, was the motorcycle jumping in the woods with moonlight. James Cameron must be rolling in his grave.
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thats a "slippery" slope, if it ever catches on, money hungry movie studios will start casting the most famous current rappers or popstars in roles that actual ACTORS deserve just to pocket the enormous ammount of money they'd surely get from each celebrity's fanbase, but unfortunatly it's gonna happen and we just cant do anything to stop it. and the next generation or idiots (our kids) will be kiddy over people like miley cyrus playing joan or arc or P diddy as martin luther king...guhh makes me sick to my ass
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if its pg 13 it will suck. Before you bitches start saying a pg13 terminator movie can work I give "live free or die hard" as exhibit 1. If you like "live free or die hard" then well there's no hope for you.
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... that fate always manages to find its way. This movie doesn't negate the events that happened in T1 and T2. They happened. But because they happened, as Bale says in the trailer, "This isn't the future my mother prepared me for" (I'm paraphrasing). Fate ALWAYS finds a way. T1 isn't negated because Kyle Reese saved Sarah Connor... and yeah, knocked her up for John. T2 isn't negated because Arnold's T-800 saved John's life so he could lead the resistance.
That's what is great about a T4 movie set in the future. The end result is the end result. It's not about changing the future. The future happened. Judgement Day came because it was fated that way. Now it's about survival. How do they overcome? THAT is the point of T4. Can't wait. Don't understand any negative comments. It's clear and precise in the trailer that this isn't the future Sarah Connor prepared John for. Thus, it's almost a reboot of sorts, but within the logic that T1 and T2 events happened but we're able to experience a new Terminator universe because A) It's set in the future wars and B) Fate finds a way... thus the end game is always changing whenever they go back.
That said, we could argue all night about the logic of time travel or lack thereof. In my eyes, going back doesn't help. It's not like those people in the future are going to suddenly fade into a different world (and be aware of it) due to the events changed in the past. A new parallel universe would form, branching off into a whole other existence for those characters in the past. THEY might experience a new future... but the ones who sent people back to change it would go on with what they were dealt. Confusing. Cinematically, it's all about the rules that the writers set. Star Trek has different time travel rules than Terminator. Back to the Future has different rules compared to.... Timecop.
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Never say never. I'd rather it be R but "The Dark Knight" is proof good things can happen.
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Looks like a cross between The Road Warrior and Transformers - not the aesthetic established in the first two movies at all. Bad TV sci-fi with a bigger budget, apropos of flat lighting, rappers and pretty boys in supporting roles, and things going BOOM! Fuck that mess, Jack.
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It looks like a bunch of guys out in the middle of nowhere running around. Like Tremors or that Resident Evil: Las Vegas movie (or was it a game?)
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I remember a story a while back where a former criminal would purchase a lot of Rembrandt paintings and then show them off to a bunch of socialites to reestablish his reputation.
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Dec 09, 2008 11:14:23 PM CST
the only thing that feels out of place is that Transformer
by t 1000 xp professional
everything else looks very interesting and pretty kickass
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is from another timeline as well. love that frankenstein looking robot. veryy interesting indeed
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Skynet wages its war by using cyborgs, it just MAY build some big ones now and again. It's not like Transformers has the monopoly on giant robots. It's like shitting all over Crimson Tide because it had a submarine like Red October before it. Get over it.
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Dec 09, 2008 11:25:31 PM CST
Hello I am an xp professional and this movie has my blessing
by t 1000 xp professional
that being said, it freaking better not be PG13.. I would have not gone through the trouble of sending Kyle Reese and a good T800 back in time to save the world from a PG13 war.
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Dec 09, 2008 11:28:30 PM CST
I was just saying the Transformer looks out of place in the Term
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In the trailer. I'm not against it really, just wondering how they'll logically tie this in. Couldn't care less about method, I'm a result type of guy.
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The trailer page that is
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"James Cameron must be rolling in his grave".
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And fuck their constant "updates" NO! I Don't want fucking iTunes! I don't want your shit! NO!
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It looks nothing like James Camerons future war seen in The first two films or even the second film. To be honest it looks like a really expensive knock off.
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so that's his "take a bite outta crime" voice?
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Then why does it take him 15 years to do movies? Remeber, JC is getting paid each time a sequel is made....so with Avatar coming out, he got a lot o cheddar coming next year.
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"...prepare to die." Terminator: Hunt for the Six-Fingered 'Borg
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I guess the number of bullet hits on anything can up your rating past a PG-13. So that probably cranked up T3's rating. I don't remember if there was any language, but probably. And yeah, the fist-through-chest bit was the most violent part. I still thought T3 was a good movie -- the chase sequence, bad CG or not, was way better than the one in Reloaded and it had a killer ending. Just because it didn't have a villain even a 1000000th as threatening as the Robert Patrick doesn't mean the whole movie was shit.
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...chases a scantly clad, sweaty Megan Fox all over the future-scape, well, I will be in line for the first midnight showing.Otherwise, normal wait-a-week-for-crowds-to-diminish rotation for this one.Looks like it was filmed at the same desert location as Resident Evil 3. Should be interesting and worth a bucket of popcorn.
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Jesus! It looks like a TV movie! Where's the scale and scope? Why's Bale channeling the Batman voice? Why do the pyros look like a Golan-Globus/Chuck Norris era shitter..? Sorry Warner Bros -- your trailer department dropped the ball. Unimpressive and forgettable.
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Fuck you, McG.
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Cameron said the franchise was over with the end of T2. That's all I need to hear.
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Considering the budget for this has gotta be at least 150 million, I see nothing spectacular in that trailer yet. Cameron's future war shots seemed much more epic looking on a much smaller budget. Here's to hoping the best bits are in the movie, not the trailer.
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Only the first two films are. Anything else is just big budget fan films.
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Trek fans. It looks fine, about as good as anything else the franchise as produced. T2 is not freaking Citezen Kane, it's just a very well done action movie that was done a generation ago. Even Cameron is probably not capable of doing a worthy sequel. You're all going to watch it anyway so your bitching is just funny.
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hmmm Guinness buzz.
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who thought when Bale gets asked, "Who are you?" in the trailer, he was going to answer:
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I'm pretty sure that's Moon Bloodgood (Journeyman). IMDB says she's playing a character by the name of Blair Williams.
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Looks great. Can't wait to see it. And yes, McG is a terrible name for a director of a movie of this scale to put his name on.
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The previous lines mhst have been these: "Who are you?...I must know."
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you've been mostly dead all day....
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I didn't like T3. Why? It had no atmosphere. Something the 1st and 2nd were steeped in. I'm getting a similar vibe from this one. The long shots cars scrambled on the highways. Even the action shots....they seem flat. And some one is gonna tell me those Motorcycles look like they belong in a Terminator movie!?Also, I hope, the reason nobody likes McG is that he has not yet made ONE good movie.
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Terminator 2 is more than just a "good action" movie. Fucking 300 is a "good action movie. Terminator 2 is one of those rarest of action films. It took the rudimentary (interesting, but ultimately simplistic) characters of Terminator 1 and gave them so much more dimension. We saw that the events of the first one had very real consequences in their world. We cared about them and their future. That's the goal of any GREAT movie.I don't think McG is capable of that.
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that this Marcus character is some kind of "freed" Cyborg from some sort of alternative timeline. His dialogue in the trailer points this out when he asks what day and year it is and what happened. Also, he's wearing a trenchcoat, eerily similar to what Reese and the Terminator wore in the first film, perhaps implying a time traveler.
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This is gonna sound stupid, but pleeeeease someone help me. Every time I go to apple to view trailers I click on the link and it tells me to get the latest Quicktime. I've downloaded the damn thing and run it like ten times, and it still doesn't let me view them. Anybody help a brother out?
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You can string together any footage from any damn movie and make it look good. This movie was doomed the moment McG was brought on board. He is the second coming of Brett Ratner.
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ended with the first one. The sequels, thus far, are totally unnecessary. Sorry to be controversial to the fan-boy nerds, but the second is not a patch on the original. It's overblown shit by a terribly overrated director. Shit, I'll take "Piranha 2" over "Terminator 2". ...As for T3, well, I watched it on TV once and it was what it was... another unnecessary movie. Cameron as director made two good films T1 and "Aliens"...and his director's cut of "Aliens" sucked. Thank God for studio interference. lol.
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Nowadays it takes alot more than some explosions to get me excited for a blockbuster. I'm kind of getting burnt out on these generic films. The Dark Knight was the last enjoyable one and that excelled on performances. Without James Cameron I doubt this film will be that special. They should have saved the end of the trailer for a Arnold Cameo. That giant robot looked boring and uninspired. Call me whiny you cunts.
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To a fault.
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Then why did cameron make T2:3D? I know it's 'just' a theme park attraction, but he wrote it, directed it and also got all the original actors back to star in it. I'm not necessarily defending T3 and T4, but if he went though the whole trouble of making an accurate and detailed continuation to his previous two movies, why would he ever say that it all ended with the second one? If any Terminator fans haven't experience it, try and check it out at a Universal park next time your in LA, Orlando or Japan. It's not just some cheesy cash-in; it truly is the lost James Cameron Terminator movie. In fact, as I was watching this trailer and kinda thinking "Eh, it's not bad" I flashed back to T2:3D (which probably has the longest future wars sequence of any of the Terminator movies thus far) and though "But it really does not look like a Terminator movie. Even the theme park attraction got that better." This still looks interesting to me, and something I can experience out side of continuity, but it really makes you miss what a full James Cameron Terminator 2, future wars sequel could have been.
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Today, i'm going to kill you!!!! Sounds like kung-fu chopsocky lines.
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This looks interesting as hell. The premise that the future is different from what Sarah told John about has now completely changed everything. We always knew that the resistance will win by the end of the day, but now the result might be different and uncertain, it makes everything much more exciting and adds tension to the story. I can see a giant twist by the end of the movie that will completely shocks us all. And, oh... this will be bigger in BO than AVATAR.
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Just think that leaked ending better have hit the cutting room floor. That shit was TERRIBLE!
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Remember that rumor? That John dies at the end of Salvation and the good guy cyborg wears his skin as a suit to keep hope alive in the resistance. That's not happening anymore is it? Because this will bring sucking to a whole new level if it is. Please tell me it was just a completely unfounded rumor that has been debunked a thousand times and I just missed it.
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ummm your response to my post makes no fucking sense. I never said all pg13 movies suck. A rated R Star Wars movie wouldn't make them any better, that being said it is the context of the first movies. Terminator was always R, graphically violent and filled with bad words, you lose the sense of story by dumbing it down for Joe Shmo and his 2.5 kids. ITS NOT A FAMILY MOVIE! By putting excessive cussing and violence in a movie like CARS would be inappropriate just as it would be to remove them from a Terminator movie.... Jeezus I can't believe I have to explain this to some people.
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I'm with you brother, if they end it like that, it'll kill the entire franchise.
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Man, never understood why Rocky Horror show gets all the attention and the equally brilliant Phantom of the Paradise gets ignored. "PHEONIX! PHEONIX!"
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a little rave going on before the 'crane shot' reveal of the HK's landing. Please no. Did no one see the laughable Matrix Reloaded. Also 'pregnant lady in peril' the sure fire sign of bad scriptwriters trying to jam some emotion into a dead screenplay.
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Take resident evil extinction, with half parts reign of fire. Throw in little bits of i am legend and 28 weeks later. Mix with transformers and old matrix leftovers. And voila! An appetizer few might actually enjoy, while leaving the rest of us with vomit in our mouths. But who cares? In the end, people are going to eat this up anyway.
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This looks really good. Fuck all y'all haters.
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Dec 10, 2008 3:50:02 AM CST
Still McG on board? Still PG-13? Then FUCK THIS SHIT!
by motoko kusanagi
Seriously. I have no interest whatsoever in a pussified teenage action flick.Oh, and TERMINATOR 2 - JUDGMENT DAY still kicks ass!!! This time, there are two! TERMINATOR 2!
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Dec 10, 2008 4:05:21 AM CST
Fucking marketing is for shit these days
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
This, Star Trek and Watchmen trailers have all been fucking terrible. They rely solely on the audiences knowledge of the story and characters. No explanation needed of story or what the fuck we should expect going into the film. Just a scattershot series of the "coolest" finished clips they can find set to dramatic music. They don't give any indication of the finished film at all!Imagine you've never heard of John Connor. The only exposition in this trailer is some guy who plays Batman is yelling his name. And someone mentions Judgement Day, which would mean shit to a lot of people. The exact same thing happens in the Star Trek trailer. Some kid yells his name. Cue random images set to synthesised drum beats.I miss the days of the "In a world..." guy.
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visuals and tone and casting all great. what really counts now is what the trailer can't tell us: is the script good - are the characters interesting, what's the story like, what are the action sequences like... See you for that in 2009.
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Dec 10, 2008 4:13:02 AM CST
Can we confirm whether or not Connor is replaced by a Terminator
by industrykiller!
Is someone on that fucking information???? Seriously guys I know someone at this or another website knows and if you are sitting on that then that is just bullshit. The film is automatic garbage if that happens.
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I agree last night's Sarah Connor was pretty terrible. It not only felt like filler, it was bad filler. There was a single reveal of a spoken-of moment in there that was not bad and pretty funny, but overall it felt rushed and clumsily written.
AND that first line delivery in the trailer.. "what happened here??"... was REALLY, REALLY HORRIBLE. Like some coked up director kept jerking around and yelling
MORE! BROADER! GIVE ME MORE!!
Some of the rest of it looked interesting, but to start a trailer off with one of the worst line deliveries I've heard since Johnny 'Drama' Chase's last role makes it seem like someone is asleep at the wheel or maybe people are afraid of "someone" firing them if they give him the truth about certain things. But here's the thing... I'll still see it. -
And I can't understand the hate for this trailer. Sadly, if it ends up being good it'll probably get TDK treatment. Everyone will love it and a few months will pass and it'll be "OVVERATEDD OVERRATTED!!1 BALE IS TERRIBLE!". Some of you guys are fucking pathetic.
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Christ.
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It was just a completely unfounded rumor that has been debunked a thousand times and you just missed it. :D*Seriously*, it was though.
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It's been debunked here and elsewhere, from the mouth of McG himself.
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Mark my words.
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A lot of shit McG says is exactly that. Shit. I don't think it is true though, but I will say that if John Connor is a Terminator, it will immediately kill this movie.
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Seriously, what the hell has James Cameron done lately? Avartar could be a steamer, any project that takes that long clearly had problems at ever stage. Cameron aint Cameron any more. and as for people still moaning about PG13.... PG13 movies aren't like they used to be.
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I don't believe a fuckin word he says. I'm sure he denies that was the plan at one point in time or that they were even mulling it over, which they were. I wanna hear it from an unbiased source.
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Dec 10, 2008 4:50:12 AM CST
Awesomebri thats like saying in 95' "what has Malick done lately
by industrykiller!
Cameron hasnt done anything lately, by choice. And Avatar wasnt at all troubled, everything in filming went totally smoothly, it just takes a long time to get the technology right. And as far as PG-13, name me a PG-13 films as hardcore as T2.
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I have no beef with McG, but if he pulls this off, he'll get a little more respect.
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I'd be a little nicer on the trailer, but that was what I was getting at. It just seems so, well, scattershot. It's not a trailer, just an image dump. I also think that the ending rumour is true, or that they've changed gone back and reshot/or just changed the ending from the rumour. Its obvious Worthington is a Terminator from the future, and bits of the trailer point to Connor dying and shit. Did anyone go back and watch T2 recently, theres a shot of Connor checking out the devestation, and he moves like a fucking cyborg. Weird.
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...With that twist, other than it just being spoiled for us. It's not that stupid or retarded, and it's not like it wouldn't fit in with the rest of the series.
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But then again, what doesn't look better than T2? (Pauses and waits for the obese virgin crowd to begin vomiting with rage. T-minus 3,2,1...)
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Money.
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But why did he make it suck so much?
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...from HEAT WAVE AND JACK!
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You're an annoying cock.You need new material.
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HEAT *VISION* AND JACK. Sorry, but my childhood's ass was sore and it affected my clarity.
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... but I don't know if it will work or not, assuming the rumoured ending is true and Worthington's character becomes Connor. Machine fighting against machines. The T2 stuff with Connor looking 'like a cyborg' is just what I imagine it takes to be such a figure of epically, mythic proportions; you must lose your humanity in order to fulfill the greater cause. But don't for a second think Cameron wanted Connor to be nothing more than the initiator of the resistance followed by a death long before the victory, where a robot runs around in Connor's skin posing as him leading to victory. It's a provocative idea, I'm just not sure if McG has the chops to pull it off any way other than horribly gimmicky.
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I second your thoughts on LaserPants.
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If you mean simply the special effects, I'd hope so, since if you can't make special effects in a 2008/9 film look better than a film made in 1990, you have problems.
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Actually it ends in three movies time, so that's a bit of an optimistic appraisal of the war there John...
Still, I liked the trailer, and I'm cautiously optimistic about this film/trilogy. It certainly looks more promising than T3, and oddly enough I thought Bryce Dallas Howard looked very Claire Danes-ish in the trailer, which should make the recasting less jarring (especially compared to recasting Katie Holmes with Maggie Gyllenhaal in Dark Knight...)
It was nice to see a bit of night time action too as that's the future I'm more accustomed to.
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Something you're hiding? Oh, and thanks for doing exactly what I knew you would. You make it too easy.
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And why do you want your eyeballs fucked so badly? Seems gay.
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I also do not get what's so bad about being gay. Some fear of yours? We're living in the 21st century now, you know? It's not the middle ages any more.
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And the whole settings looks like MAD MAX 4. This is not even remotely near the dark, rotten future we know from previous installments.
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I'm glad that you have the courage to come out of the closet. I now completely understand your obsession with Arnold and T2.
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You've successfully achieved Troll status.You're a fucking broken record. Say something... anything that you haven't repeated ad nauseum in any recent TB's. As someone else has stated, you use the same material even in non-terminator related TB's.If you concentrate hard enough you might be able to achieve a new thought. Try it and get back to me when you do.In the meantime, you'll continue being an annoying cock.
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You do realize that by responding, clearly out of your mind with rage, that I won?
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You can jerk each other off staring at Arnie's buttcheeks.
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Nice to see a giant robot that's not tainted with Michael Bay gayness. Looks WAY better than T3 at least.
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Is your self esteem so low that you require imagined victories on talkbacks to get through the day?I'll take pity on you, laserpants and give you this victoryI responded. You won.
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No wait you mean they spent around $200M on this sucker. ILM must have got $50M of that. But what a massive waste of talent/money. Looks truly awful and will surely be next years Speed Racer minus the humanity. At least SR was stylish & the characters were cartoonish as it was supposed to be a pop culture event. This just has suck failure at every level no-one needs to see another Terminator movie anyway. T3 worked pretty well and the ending should have been just that. This movie only got made as WB needed a big summer 09 sequel and Bale was coming off a mega hit so they figure give Sony the overseas BO for budget sharing and half the risks. Wonder if their will be any Mommy Terminators for Bale to smack up!!!
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Come on. This guy has no credentials. Hes a fucking joke. The trailer is 5/10. thats it. A kind of sub Matrix reloaded look. Anything you see, as memorable as anything in T1,T2, or even T3. No. I will hold judgement, until I see it, but I am not holding much hope.
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I love how the advertising company found him yelling out his name...I guess they thought that we all needed to know who Christian Bale was palying. You know, John Connor?
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I actually agree with all you said about the 3 Terminator movies made/released so far. Cameron pretty much destroyed all that was totally cool about T-1 with his highly annoying cheesy glossy and family friendly follow-up. Shit, even "Robots" was a grittier movie, no Austrian voiced weeping robots and cyborgs in that one. Well, I guess we're not gonna be invited to that wedding where the Droid and Yodako Ramasaki exchange those extra shiny, Cameron approved silver chromed cockrings and say "Yes, I do" to each other but so be it.
This T4 trailer actually looks like 3 step ups from the last 2 installments, not expecting this to be incredibly amazing, just a cool and action packed film that brings on all kinds of bad cyborgs and truckloads of heavy duty mayhem and destruction. But will that skyscraper high robot be crying at some point in the movie ? Did any of you read the final shooting script for Salvation ? -
That's basically what is happening with the Terminator movies. T1 & T2 are two of the best sci-fi, nay films, ever made. The fact is this - James Cameron is a superior filmmaker to MCG, with a stronger understanding of storytelling in film and a technical knowledge that'd make MCG's head hurt. Cameron created this terminator world and anything that comes after his involvement is merely imitation. MCG just can't make movies as well as Cameron can, FACT, especially when it comes to MCG continuing a world Cameron made nearly 25 years ago. This will be an average film at best, with little innovation and nowhere near the groundbreaking, mind bending impact the first two had.
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"meh"
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someone escaping a 'splosion in a flying fridge
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mehhhhh
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someone will complain about the voice
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Thanks for taking time out from fellating Laserpants to chime in with you're fascinating deconstruction of Terminator 2.Let's all hope this movie meets your lofty "truckloads of heavy duty mayhem and destruction" requirements. We wouldn't want it to have any depth or character because that would be far to challenging for you, wouldn't it?
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In that case, why did he bother being involved in it at all? Why didn't he just sign off on it and then let some theme park designer produce it? Like Zemeckis/Gale did with the Back to the Future ride, and what pretty much all other filmmakers do when their films become rides (besides Spielberg, who used the E.T. ride to tell his sequel concept, and based the Jurassic Park ride on an extracted sequence from the movie). Why did Cameron spend $60 million dollars on a 12 minute movie (the most expensive movie per minute at the time) that was not going to bring in any box office or extra residuals for him besides the initial licensing? Why bother making it exactly fit the tone and continuity of the other movies, all the while extending the story by taking it into a new setting? He may have said that the story ends with T2 (source?), but that doesn't change the fact that HE made another movie that continues past T2. Now, if your saying that the true Terminator story ends with Cameron, then I agree, in the sense that there's Terminator and Judgment Day (and maybe Battle Across Time), and then some other movies (the same way there's Psycho and then some other movies, Jaws and then some other movies, etc). But I don't think Cameron is a purist in the sense that he feels he finished telling his pre-planned epic Terminator tale fully (consider that T2 is basically a remake of the first) and that the story cant be taken anywhere else (considering he made a short film that did take it somewhere else). I think, under the right circumstance, he would have been open to a T3 (which he he kinda did with T2:3D) and a futures war set, cameron directed Terminator movie would have been awesome (as seen in T2:3D). [It can also be argued that he only made the park attraction in order to be able to play around with some high end 3D equipment, which I concede, but it doesn't change the fact that he continued the Terminator story past T2. It'd be nice to hear how he feels the "ride" fits into the whole continuity.]
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I've mentioned this before, but I'll state it again. Batman: Year One people. Bats talks about a growl he got off some big cat in Africa. That's what they were going for.
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My god, I completely forgot she was in this movie. I thought that WAS Claire Danes. I even forgot that Claire Danes was in T3, and actually thought she was replacing another actress. So seriously, that not Claire Danes in the trailer?
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Bale doesn't do crap and is awesome, this trailer looks awesome, Cameron said that his boy from Avatar doesn't lie and said the movie is going to be awesome, the new robots look pretty cool, the studio has already agreed to do three films, thus... this will rock!!!
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I totally agree; Phantom of the Paradise should have the RHPS reputation!
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Of course a trailer can always make shit look like a masterpiece.
But a fun popcorn movie is all I expect from the Terminator franchise at this point. They've fucked up the timeline continuity too much to get another serious movie out of it.
I did like the line "something changed". That makes sense, that the Terminators going back in time would mess things up. -
Dec 10, 2008 8:47:33 AM CST
Why no original T800s? Instead we get Transformers.
by theycallmemrglass
Ok, trailers are meant to pull in an audience. Before, Arnie was the big pull as well as of course the the music, t800s, judgement day, and time travel concept. So what has this got , to pull in the old fans? There is no Arnie, no time travel, no T1000, no Cameron. At least give us continuity, and something that brings back a good vibe of the old films. They could have done it by showing us the T800s. But no, they changed their appearance and even give us transformers. Wouldnt it have been cool to see the sub plot of John Connors meeting his father, sending him back in time etc. Are they making this film for a largely different audience? I will still watch it in cinemas because it could turn out to be fucking great but I dont get that promise from the trailer.
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just like the RZA did in american gangster. and also, those motorcycle robots are bunk.
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Every episode is fucking filler. Get used to it and just enjoy it. Shit it was better than the previous episode with the speakeasy bullshit that never explained why the SkyNet was trying to assassinate that politician.
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75% of the people on this TB voicing all kinds of criticism are the same dorks who will be in line for this opening night (even if you have grave concerns that scene seven in the original film clearly illustrated that the crushing strength of the original terminator model clearly could not exceed twenty-seven hundred foot pound of pressure!) Folks, T-3 was already made without Cameron, that officially punted this franchise into Aliens vs. Predator territory – there is nowhere to go but up. Most of the scenes in this trailer look a lot more interesting than any part of T-3. Personally, I’m not overwhelmed or underwhlemed, but the fact that Bale has the lead role makes me interested to see this.
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All of you fanboys giving big sloppy blowjobs to Avatar should probably wait until you see it. 3-D technology is still just a fad, and something (based on today’s technology) that I find pretty annoying. Personally, I’d rather see a great story-driven 2D film than some technological experiment. My guess is that Avatar ends up being closer to The Abyss than Aliens or The Terminator – part of what made those two films great was what Cameron was able to accomplish with the budget he had. Now, he’s going to waste a bunch of time and energy on 3-D money-shots – sounds like he’s coasting dangerously close to Lucas territory.
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...was talking to Arnie when delivering the 'you killed my...' lines. Even a CG younger version would have been better than a replacement actor.
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thats a different character? they are doing a CG Arnie but theres not a chance they'll show it so early.
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seriously just read back a bunch of comments and you guys are talking like you've seen the movie... first of there is a frickin T800 in the story who will look like Arnie and second... what doesnt look like camerons image of the future? The day time shots? I'd say the sun will still be in the sky in the future...
and lastly, there's always been large Skynet machines back from T1.
T3 was poor, a re-hash... A future war story was always going to be different. -
Uh, what trailer were you watching, dude? The music is all over this thing and the T-800s (or what appears to be their endoskeletons) are clearly shown. I think what you may be referring to is the earlier T-600 model. And how do we know the giant Harvester model is a "transformer"? Because he's got moving parts?!As for the time travel thing, there are already theories being put forth on the nature and origin of the terminator that Connor is talking to face-to-face (don't know the character's name). As for an appearance by Arnold...wait for it. After all, this is the first real trailer.
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i agree on laserpants, he is a troll and trolls all over every board spewing garbage just to see his own words on the screen....not surprised if he prints out and circles all his comments in each talkback and hangs them on his wall for his other nerdy friends to view in awe....he prob stares at the AICN homepage , constantly hitting refresh, hoping for new talkbacks to appear so he can jump in there and post...ahh what a life huh ? lol ....hes prob a pimply, fat, ugly, feminine, hairy asshole that his parents locked in the basement and his only link to the outside world is the internet...wanna bet ?
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I like the idea of finally examining the post-takeover/war of the machines. The first 3 films teased it to death.(I liked all 3 by the way). The trailer looks pretty good, I'll be there opening night!
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Dec 10, 2008 10:29:13 AM CST
The trailer looks pretty damn good...and then I remember...
by orbots commander
...that McG directed this, so I'm wary. This is after all going to be a PG neutered action flick and the fourth film in a franchise. In my mind, McG is like Ratner or Schumacher: he's not a visionary-- he's a generic Hollywood director who needs a great screenplay to shoot, so it all depends how good the script is.
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I'm really curious how McG twists the Terminator Time-Travel Paradoxes into a whole new mind-bending pretzel. Who gets to be their own grandpa, and all that jazz. One question: Does Robert Patrick get a cameo?
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There's one small scene a few episodes back, where she takes off her right boot, and sticks her bare foot out the window while John is driving. (Homage to Death Proof, of course). John asks her a smart-ass question, and she gives him a smart-ass answer. Then she gets serious and says: "We're not intentionally cruel, you know." With that she become something different; a cyborg who is going to outthink her human handlers. Without saying it, she shows the "Fuck it, if I'm supposed to be a teen-aged female, then I'm going to take all the liberties of one." Next she's skipping work to hang out with the wheelchair guy in Archives. Wasn't she supposed to be some sort of guarddog/machine that never disobeyed an order? Hmm..something's changed.
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he actually claimed above that he had "won", jeez I nearly shat myself laughing at that, yes you "won" on an internet message board, aww, *ruffles his hair.
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You may hate Charlie's Angels, but you can't say it's generic like Ratner. Those movies are weird as fuck and have a very unique whimsical style to them. They're the "HOLLYWOOD MOVIE TAKEN TO THE EXTREME". Every shot builds on some Hollywood tradition or cliché (and I love every minute of them). Even if McG will fail, he will fail spectacularly. Can't wait. (I don't think you can call Schumacher generic either. He put nipples on the batsuit! That's not something any other director would've done! The man has a vision, but that vision is hilariously bad. Batman and Robin bought me more joy, than any other entry to the series, including Returns or TDK. We watch it half a year with my friends, playing the pun drinking game. Amazing experience)
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be another Terminator. Cameron set the bar. This looks like a lot of fun though, McG aside. I'd personally love to see something like Grammaton Cleric Connor, but that's just some geek dream. This looks fun. All we can do is wait and see.
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That looks an awful lot like Brian Austin Green throwing that table through the glass wall.
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I liked that trailer. Connor yelling into the intercom was a good moment, and the machine motorcyles looked pretty badass.
McG seems to have done a nice job with the details of the story. I'm still hoping against hope this is rated R. Because it fucking needs to be. -
Seriously. While it's not high art, The Sarah Connor Chronicles is at least moving the story forward and giving some background that matters; Something that T2 and T3 failed to do with any relevance.
I will say this: I'm not fond of the giant robot at the end. It just screams "Wild Wild West" to me. You know; That whole "insert giant CG thing because we can" ideal that has turned movies into shit in the last 15 years? Yeah. I hate that. -
Hey DisneyFanatic, I think I saw the same reply on Joblo.com was that you or did you read that and think it would be cool to parrot that same thought?
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I don't care what anyone else says. That looks amazing.
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Seems like a very random scene and he has that bottle-shaped bodybuilder leg.
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He was on death row and donated his body to something called Project Angel.
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The machines taking over doesn't suddenly make the sun stop rising, and it wouldn't inexplicably make everything blue. The earlier flashbacks take place at night. They're not gonna make this whole movie take place at night just so that the hole movie is dark and blue like in the previous flashbacks. That would just be stupid.
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But I'm somewhat of a prick about it. Thats why I enjoy making monkeys like you and Motoko dance the dance of impotent rage you dance so well. It entertains me how easy it is to manipulate your misplaced emotions and watch you lose your minds. Sort of like how or why the Joker tortures Gotham -- its fun! Now dance you monkey, dance!
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I agree with you, that the giant CG robot at the end kind of made me cringe. I'm hoping the way it's used in the movie isn't distracting, unlike the "Look at me!" giant spiderbot in "Wild Wild West." I hope it's purely a terrifying next-gen Machine built for a particular purpose, not a spectacle thrown in to simply "wow" 14-year-olds. Because that would suck.
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They are infiltration units. They're supposed to be DISGUISED as humans in order to go unrecognized. It's sort of hard to accomplish this if they all looked exactly the same, isn't it?
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Dec 10, 2008 11:42:29 AM CST
For everybody concerned about it not being dark enough
by i_snake_plissken
I recommend you go watch Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem, there’s more than enough rich chocolaty darkness in that film to satisfy your darkness cravings. By the way, if you do happen to watch it (perhaps as some form of punishment) please drop me a line and tell me what the Hell was happening, because I couldn’t see a damn thing.
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In the original movies, thats what I reckoned; sort of like in the Matrix. But I guess the flashbacks taking place at night is a simpler way to explain the daylight scenes we've seen thus far. Oh, and btw, I think this looks great. The Marcus thing seems iffy, but everything else looks aces. With the whole time travel, "something's changed" thing they can pretty much do anything. I have high hopes that this movie will finally give us what I always wanted to see -- Future War, not some whiney emo father complex bullshit.
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..."mostly dead is slightly alive." That's why I knew I made a mistake and was able to fix the typo.
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You crybabies suck, take your emo asses home and listen to some My Chemical Romance. Just let us have our geeky fun and quit complaining.
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I'd make them all look like John Connor. Wouldn't you? Talk about jacking with morale. Why didn't you shoot? Because it looked like you, sir.
Also, one variant I like about the TV show and T2 and T3 is that back in the first, Kyle Reese tells Sarah that after they sent him back, the time travel flux capacitor whatnot was blown up. It's interesting that Kyle Reese was sent into a battle he very likely couldn't win and was lied to. There's always some jack-hole out there who thinks they won't misuse the technology, they won't be the one to step on the butterfly, and so guys like Kyle Reese get sold a bill of goods. Of course, overthinking the 'go back in time and fix things' should never be overthought. But the TV show makes you question Kyle Reese's intel (and his peanut butter cups) because apparently there's a shitload of time travel machines available to Skynet and the Resistance. -
Terminators, more than meets the eye. Terminators, cyborgs in disguise.
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Dec 10, 2008 12:33:40 PM CST
SO THIS IS WHAT A MICHAEL BAY MOVIE LOOKS LIKE WITH A-LIST ACTOR
by bringingsexyback
Interesting.
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Keep me in the Matrix. Please!
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Now, if they can match up a decent story with those images, I'm a happy camper. I am actually looking forward to this. Never thought I would say this 'bout a McG movie - a man whose name sounds like a discarded McDonald's burger.
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Another AICN tb'er becomes a YouTube celebrity...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PX4ECYr1b0 (take out the spaces)
or http://tinyurl.com/6zeyeq
Start watching at the .55 second mark.
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That the Time Displacement Technology was only in the Prototype stage. Meaning, there were all kinds of problems to work out. If I were the AI in charge, I'd have sent 100 T-800s back; and that's *exactly* what Cameron is thinking when she's searching through the Archives.
But as for only one? Hoy! Even in TimeCop, there was a backup. SkyNet would have a least begun to build a second one. I'm thinking that there's lots of stories to tell about the humans battling for control of the Time Displacement technology in T5. -
You're correct, I'm not looking at all for any "depth" in a silly big budgeted B Hollywood sci-fi action war movie about pissed of time traveling robots and cyborgs. Ditch the soap, and bring on the mayhem, thank you very much.
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That Kyle Reese clearly talks to Sarah Connor about how they mostly lay low during the daytime and conduct most of their activities at night.
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He makes this lady feel very nice...And the movie lookes OK too. I'll go see it.
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Was that Moon Bloodgood?
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the more you know about a premise, and the more you see, the less interesting it becomes. I remember how cool-looking those future battlescenes looked in the first movie during Kyle's nightmares. But to see them played out is underwhelming. A better example is the star wars trilogy. I remember seeing the trilogy as a child and wondering what Darth must have been like before he went full evil. Now that I know he was a whiney, effeminite douchebag who turned to the dark side over a GURL was a real let-down. Same with Boba FEtt. The more I learned about him, the less cool he was. Seeing him as a boy-clone sucked. Learning more about Indiana Jones sucked, too. Indiana Jones is never more cool than the first time you see his face in Raiders, after he whip-cracks the gun out of that dude's hand.
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but that trailer makes me wish I was seeing Arnie versus Bale damn it.
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I like the choice of settings the action in the open desert in daytime. A refreshing change from the perpetual night future Cameron introduced and everyone rips off.
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There's nothing WRONG with action in the open desert, and it looks like it's gonna work well in this movie, but I get tired of action in the desert over and over and over again from Hollywood. Yes, in Southern California pretty much the only place a company can go to get any peace and quiet is the desert, so that's why so much stuff is set there. But the over-use of the SoCal desert is why I get so excited by movies like Dead Snow. It's just SOMETHING different.
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To quote Showgirls: It doesn't suck.
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Dec 10, 2008 3:51:31 PM CST
This lloks great....so Why did T3 suck in two big ways?!?!
by monkey_king
1. The casting of short-as-shit Nick Stahl as John Connor and 2. No fucking Sarah Connor(even her body was missing from the casket, instead filled with a cache of weapons for good T-800 #3 to find and use). Continuity fuckers! Continuity!!!
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I thought T3 was good - the action scenes, especially the truck chase scene was fantastic and really well-directed. The ending was great. The movie was too tongue-in-cheek at times, but so was T2. I agree Stahl was miscast. As an aside, count me among the few who were pleasantly surprised by SCC.
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If they do them as full on Animatrons trying to pass and failing because of the uncanny valley that would be awesome.
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Sounds like some kind of seasonal potato blight.
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The high-def trailer is amazing! The music, the sound design, the visuals... all very very WOW. I had my doubts, but now I have to say I'm looking forward to 5/22.
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Bad screenplay dialogue alert.
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that's like 10 years from now -- we will be lucky if we have electric cars by then... And when I mean electric I mean fully electric (the Chevy Volt has a gas powered engine to recharge after a certain distance)... Technology is slowing down as resources diminish and populations go out of control... I bet phones will rock though... LOL...
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Looks hilarious! Can't wait!!!
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We should buy it on BLURAY when it comes out! Sony please give me cash like you do these people.
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Where is Roddy Mcdowell when you need him? Take your stinky metal paws off me you damn dirty robot!
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Dec 10, 2008 7:04:04 PM CST
Terminators v. Transformers coming to the movies eventually...
by leafar the lost
Terminators v. Transformers, or TVT, will be coming to theaters eventually. Once the movie studios have bleed both of these movie franchises dry, there will be one more thing they can do to get your asses in the seats. Like AVP, TVT will feature low budget effects and hasbeen actors saying their lines as if they are reading them from cue cards, because some of actually are reading their lines! Yes, wet dreams...
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The giant robot at the end was ridiculous.
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Should it be so bright and southern cali sunny??? Didn't skynet launch an arsenal of ICBM's?? The nuclear dust blown into the atmosphere would make things quite grey and bleak no??
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Dec 10, 2008 9:48:55 PM CST
Moon Bloodgood == Stephanie Jacobsen Interesting coincidence
by murdermostfowl
You know, when I was watching that trailer, and I saw Moon Bloodgood, I actually thought it was Jesse ( Stephanie Jacobsen) like some other people had noticed on here. It almost felt like it added legitimacy to the film, which is was a surprising reaction for me... I feel like TSCC has done a great job of honoring the canon set up in T1 & 2 and keeping the future the kind of grand scale, guerilla, hiding, scrounging around for your life kind of "war". A true war for survival, not a last stand al la BraveHeart.
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...I'm having previous flashbacks into the future, about this movie. It's really good.
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I'm no nuclear scientist. But perhaps one of the nuclear scientists here can tell us all just how long it WOULD take for nuclear fallout to settle enough for people to be able to see the sun. In a Judgement Day scenario, would night and day REALLY be indistinguishable from each other more than ten years after the attacks?
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But there is one thing they don't know: this time......THERE ARE TWO! TERMINATOR 2!That's what I call a fucking cool trailer -- and not this randomly conglomerated junk of sometimes good, sometimes crappy looking action scenes that calls itself T4 trailer.
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Fair enough, but the trailer REALLY seems to promise the fact that Marcus is a time travelling robot and that he and connor are gonna switch places. Couple this with the rumours and maybe you have a disinfo campaign to make the actual story more suprising. The more I see the trailer, the more I like it. I wish McG had aped Camerons style instead of aping Bay and Co's, but this look like the film part 3 should have been. I don't think part 3 is bad though, or that Stahl was bad or anything, but it felt like T2.5.
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You are my bizzaro TBer.
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...McG isn't a total hack like Ratner or someone. He did pretty good work with the Angels films. The first one epsecially was really well constructed aesthetically. So, if he had decided the challenge was too big for him to bring his own style to a film, why copy the more generic action directors out there. Stick with that Verhoeven/Cameron style instead. Oh well. Even if this film is a turd, its gotta be better than that fucking awful Gridiron movie he made.
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...Randomly tossed in at the end looks like an entourage joke.
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And I'll tell you why. The way most movies are written nowadays it's easy to take the few frames out that would make it PG-13 and put them back for the "Unrated" DVD. They never impact story. There's never a gory, gut wrenching scene. Just slight modifications. It's not like it used to be. T1, the Arnold eye gouge in the mirror. Lina Hamilton's titties. Arnold killing the housewife. None of that kind of shit, the shit that you can't tone down by taking out a few frames, that shit you can only get a PG-13 by removing it, but you can't, because that shit has to do with the story... Well that shit is gone from movies now. Now it's all just interchangeable shit so studios can keep rereleasing Super Ultimate Flashback editions of movies. And I guarantee you TSalvation's Mad Max setting, while it may look harsh, while it may look like it could garner an R... even if it gets that way, it won't really be R. Not like the old days. It'll just be PG-13 scenes with extra CGI'ed gore to up the street cred.
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Dec 11, 2008 4:34:59 AM CST
The tree line explosion in APOCALYPSE NOW looked better
by motoko kusanagi
and that will be 30 fucking years ago when pussified-PG13-rated McG-directed T4 hits cinemas.
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Motoko will be first in line on opening day, see the movie at least 20, 30 times opening weekend, each time "hating" it more and more, and then coming back here to let us all know, in meticulous, obsessive detail, how much he "hated" T4 whilst bending over backwards, fingers jammed in ears, eyes covered, shouting, shrieking, tears streaming down his pasty fat face, jowels quivering with impotent rage: "T2 is great! T2 is great! T2 is great!" all the while knowing, secretly, that it sucks, he's a fool, Cameron's a hack, and AVATAR is going to bomb leaving eyeballs very much unfucked.
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Its one of the top ten greatest movies ever made; a film created by a master filmmaker at the peak of his abilities. NONE of the Terminator movies even come close to approaching that level of greatness. Furthermore, Cameron is, at best, an 'okay' director, nothing more nothing less, with ALIENS being his crowning achievement. Even at its best, T1, its really just a cool B movie. Its a genre classic, sure, but its not art, its just a cool B movie.
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One man takes another mans vision and needlessly updates it with an abundance of bad cgi. Where interesting stories are left untold for the sake of studio execs underestimating the general public by pushing for the release of trite crap by a man who sounds like a burger at McDonalds. Terminator salvation - Where wings take dream.....
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'a cool B movie'? not art? pretty pretentious there dude.
and to electric_sheep 'where interesting stories are left untold'? what stories? Have you seen the film? I think making this film is trying to tell these stories.
And you cant say needlessly update it or bad CGI... clearly a lot of people are interested and want more, and the CG is as next to flawless as any of us have every seen.
I dont know McG, never met him, I dont like what I've seen of his previous work, but everything I've seen to date on T4 is brilliant and very true to Camerons vision. Although I think a lot of people cant get over the daylight shots, I think its to much for them to handle cause they never say day shots in T1 or 2. -
Washed out CGI-friendly picture, Bale's doing a one-note Batman voice. Is worrying about some stupid twist really your biggest problems with this movie?
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Holy smokes, I don't believe it! You're still on AICN and this isn't even a Tolkien/Peter Jackson Talkback. Crazy!As for TERMINATOR SALVATION, I'm sure you're biggest problem with the movie will be whether McG uses the appropriate color for the COLOR OF FIRE!!!
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Actually, I do believe ol' McG has stated numerous times that he and his team worked on using a new process that involves the injection of silver into their film stock. This is supposed to give a particular tone to the image that he felt would help give the post-apocalyptic world a unique and affected look.
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....honestly I don't see how everybody is wanking off to this trailer. It's just some shit explosions and a giant robot. WOW! This guy makes Michael Bay look original. I can't believe I'm saying this but Transformers 2 over this garbage.
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you'll notice a naked muscular person in a quick clip in the trailer, picking up a gun, this will be Arnold. An actor named Roland Kickinger was hired for a body double and their CG'ing Arnolds face over his. The Arnold Terminator attacks John in the factory. John is able to trick him into following him into a Time Machine. John traps him there and sends him back in time to Terminator 1. The salvation part has to do with saving John's past, so he'll grow up and be the hard lined savior he needs to be. He knew his mom would defeat this Terminator so he set the timeline in motion.
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But mix together any scenes and add THAT music and most things can look good. Having said I do think that this picture posted on the Empire site looks fucking cool http://tinyurl.com/6gcxqj. With regards to the ending it does sound shit to have John Connors skin attached to a terminator to keep the legend alive. The rumour of John Connor being almost killed and then them using terminator parts to save him could work (robot arm/leg)?
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but its not going to be great. Interesting stories left untold? Any one of these books would make an interesting film adaptation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SF_Masterworks
And how many budding Ron D Moores are there kicking around Hollywood just waiting to be given a chance. It just seems like lame opportunistic studio crap to keep hacking away at a franchise that has played out, and done its thing. As for the CGI, well maybe it looks technically great, but it still looks wrong in context.
Great movies, whatever the genre are about plot, suspense, character, and sometimes innovation and technicality, but CGI? no chance. T2 was ground breaking from CGI point of view, but thats not what made the movie. The movie was made by the dark visions of the future, by Arnold and his awesomeness, by the menace of Robert Patrick. Are you really telling me that this pointless continuation, dreamed up by a warner brothers exec and Mr Big Mac is going to be anywhere near that level? -
You are all such a bunch of crybabies! I'll bet it'll be awesome and when it is, what will you all whine about?
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