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Daniel Craig Weighs In On A Potential James Bond Trilogy!
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Stop reading if you've yet to see QUANTUM OF SOLACE!
Though most of CASINO ROYALE's unfinished business got mopped up one way or another by the end of QUANTUM OF SOLACE, some have speculated that Daniel Craig's second foray as James Bond might actually be the middle section of a trilogy. This, according to Craig, might actually be a lot of bullshit.
"No fucking way," he cracked to Collider.com's Steve "Frosty" Weintraub during this weekend's DEFIANCE junket. "I'm done with that story. I want to lie on a beach for the first half-an-hour of the next movie drinking a cocktail."
What else might Craig want in the next Bond movie? Try Moneypenny and Q. For more on how he'd like to see these characters integrated into the rougher, less gadget-laden 007 franchise, head over to Collider.com. And keep your eyes peeled for my exclusive interview with Craig as the (limited) December 31st release of DEFIANCE nears.
"No fucking way," he cracked to Collider.com's Steve "Frosty" Weintraub during this weekend's DEFIANCE junket. "I'm done with that story. I want to lie on a beach for the first half-an-hour of the next movie drinking a cocktail."
What else might Craig want in the next Bond movie? Try Moneypenny and Q. For more on how he'd like to see these characters integrated into the rougher, less gadget-laden 007 franchise, head over to Collider.com. And keep your eyes peeled for my exclusive interview with Craig as the (limited) December 31st release of DEFIANCE nears.
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YES!!! Can't wait for this movie. Craig is always at his best when his is playing a Jew. That is cool that he wants to bring back Q.
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You can't really spoil a movie that's just all over the place.
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But the new movies need Q, an more gadgets!
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they had the perfect girl to play her with the gorgeous Gemma Arterton in Quantum, Miss Fields should've been the new Moneypenny. She only got 5 minutes of screen time, and did nothing except fuck Bond and trip the creepy henchman in the stairs. Total waste. Her having already fucked Bond would have been a good way to explain why Moneypenny is always fawning over him whenever she sees him.
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Dec 08, 2008 12:51:30 AM CST
Can we just erase the word "trilogy"? I'm sick of it.
by flim springfield
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nobody
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i thought the movie was kinda shit. loved the first one he did.. more story.. they built some tension.. QOS was just a fight.
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What was the dialogue? Vesper: "I'm the money." Bond: "Every penny of it." Am I missing something?
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But I think Craig is the best Bond ever.
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... just saw Quantum of Solace last night. Thought the first half of the film was an absolute mess and was having flashbacks to fine-art grad films from my old college during the opera sequence. I was actually tempted of walking out at that point.
The film seemed, in a lot of ways, as trying too hard to be like the Bourne franchise but not capturing the same magic. It was also too serious of a film (for a Bond flick) and was a stuggle to attach to any of the characters.
That said, I think Daniel Craig has the right idea. That story is done, move on to the next chapter and do bring in Moneypenny and Q.
I do love Daniel Craig as James Bond and although I did not like QoS and consider it completely forgettable, I look forward to the next adventure. -
wow, it was really bad... the opening car chase? seriously, what were the filmmakers thinking when they watched this stuff?
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But yeah the Bourne shit is just tired. Craig is the shit of course. I think that they just need to get rid of that hack Xenu freak Haggis and get some better writers and we'll be set.
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If they can pull off the Felix Leighter sub-plot with such bad-assery in CR and QoS, then I'm dying to see what they could do with Q. Ian McKellan, maybe?If they hadn't killed off Gemma Arterton, she would've been a perfect Moneypenny.
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If this Quantum organisation are still around they're a bigger problem than can just be wrapped up in one more film.
While they keep making good quality stuff, just keep going. Don't limit yourselves with 3 picture deals unless it's a story that was planned to be done that way. -
Sorry but it is!
Just like it went down hill on after Goldeneye in the last Bond saga. Seeing more formula Bond films like what Quantum of Solace is getting at is something I don't want to see. I cant make it through most Bond films without turning them off. -
I am SO SICK AND FUCKING TIRED of every movie franchise since LOTR and SW being referred to as "a trilogy." OHHH WE ALWAYS ENVISIONED IT AS A TRILOGY! BullSHIT, what a lot of high-handed, upturned-nose crap. I do not believe in the "Batman trilogy" or the "Matrix trilogy" or "X-Men trilogy" or whatever - these are MOVIE FRANCHISES AND YOU CAN MAKE GOOD ONES, OR NOT, BUT STOP CLAIMING THEY ARE ALL PREORDAINED TRILOGIES AND LIMITING THEIR FUTURE POTENTIAL! I mean, JAMES FUCKING BOND? Who's been around since the '60s? You want to call that a TRILOGY now? Fuck pretentious "trilogies", just make as many GOOD MOVIES as you like. That's why X-Men is stalled!
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Not great, but after the woman covered in oil scene it really kicked-arse. I also loved the opera house scene and didn't mind that the action was frayed at the edges. Made me feel like Bond looked.
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It's only if your movie is successful are there talks of a second one, and only if the second is successful are there talks of a third. Only in very rare cases (like Harry Potter & Narnia) do they plan on making more before the first one is out. Even LOTR had to have Fellowship do well before Two Towers was allowed to be released. Look at Golden Compass.
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How fucking AWESOME would that be?! Do away with Blowfeld and give Bond a REAL reason to show why he's so fucking hard and cold. Give me a moment where he has to decide to kill her or not and then have him shove her off a cliff. THAT'S where I wish QoS went.
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They need to keep Craig on for 8 or 9. QoS was not a great film, but Craig owns in it.
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He said NO to a trilogy!
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First off, the comments about the action in QOS being horrible are completely correct. One thing you need to have in a good action scene is a sense of geography. You need to establish where the players are in a scene in relation to each other or else you won't be able to understand what the hell is going on. Just jumping around and cutting to action while the audience sits there, wondering “is that James in that car or is he in the other one?” is a sure sign that you didn’t do it right. Just look at a scene as chaotic and as crazy as the final bridge battle in Saving Private Ryan. Despite all the chaos, we the audience always know what character we are with and where they are in relationship to their opponents. We are not sitting there wondering if the German’s are at Tom Hanks and Matt Damon, Pepper up in the Tower, or Tom Sizemore. We could tell instantly!
Secondly, I am probably going to be the only one who thinks this by I actually was offended by QOS. To me, James Bond in that movie crossed a line from an agent serving his Majesty’s to a sadistic dickhead who is using his position to satisfy his own desires. He is given the license to kill by his government and with that license comes great responsibility (apologies to Spider-Man). I don’t want to see Bond using his license just to kill people for his own desire for revenge. It was not meant for him to use it to get his rocks off and kill indiscriminately because you like to kill. You kill reluctantly at your government’s behalf.
I mean, the guy in the hotel room he killed. Jesus, I don’t know, even if I “might” be linked to a mysterious subversive organization, I also might be attacking a guy because he BROKE into my hotel room. Seems like a good enough motive there.
Or how about when he leaves Mr. Green in the desert to die. What right does he have to decide what Mr. Green’s fate is? He isn’t a jury, he hasn’t been assigned to kill Mr. Green by the Queen and he does not have the authority to judge him and condemn him. Sure Bond kills people, he is basically an assassin for the UK, but he kills those he has been assigned to and his targets are those that are either impossible to prove are involved in a attacks against the British Empire and are to dangerous to let on the loose. Green does not fall in those categories, he is basically helpless. And leaving him oil to drink? What kind of sadistic prick are you Bond? I don’t remember watching the Connery Bond pouring hot gold on Goldfinger’s balls while so he watched. Oh, wait, the reason he didn’t was because he was a professional back then. Now he is just some douchebag using his status as an agent to do what he wants.
For those who think, “what is the big deal if Bond killed or tortured Green?”, let me offer an analogy: what if U.S. Special Forces found Bin Laden? I wouldn’t mind it if they killed him (he is an extreme and unrepentant threat to the US who cannot be allowed to roam free) and I wouldn’t mind if they brought him in to face justice; one thing I would not want is for them to torture him for their own satisfaction and sense of what justice is. They are soldiers, professionals, and while I think Bin Laden deserves to feel pain, it isn’t their job to decide how to punish someone or to ensure someone has a miserable, painful death. And I ask you, do you really want your soldiers, representatives of the US and you, doing that?
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Just have him act a little more a professional spy and less of a douche.
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AAAAAAAAAAANGEEEEER!!!!!
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...not nearly as well scripted, plotted or directed as the first film. I didn't really follow much of the commentary here, but I think your critical faculties would have to be pretty fucked up to not have noticed QOS felt a bit rushed and yeh the action was a bit messy, a couple of great set pieces but the overall thing didnt work
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what film where you lot watching???? it was pure class!
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I pray they re-do it as some kind of "director's cut". There's a GREAT movie within those ADD cuts that left me baffled as to what the fuck was going on.
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The best Bond film yet. IMO. Everything I asked my Ian Fleming 007 to be, a total bastard who kicks the shit out of everyone and does it with style. The movie delivered on that in spades. Who cares if it didn't have a complex plot? I don't watch something like Bond for deep Kieslowski-like narrative.
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Lots of explosions and effects, and fuck ALL in the way of plot or exposition.
Some people like that. Great, good for them. The movie made a fuck load of money after all.
Some people want a little more meat in their movie, even if it is only a Bond movie. For them, QoS was a disappointment. Deal with it. -
So mechanically paced, those silly destination segues, the joylessness of the action, in fact of the whole proceeding, the most boring Bond girls ever. The villain was an impressively slimy little piece of Gallic shit, though. I never thought I'd say it, but Daniel needs a bit of twinkle in those zirconic eyes; he's becoming too much of a thug.
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And a plot that doesn't envolve "Roman Polanski" controlling Colombia's water.
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Quantam Harder.
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it is a fluke. I say strangle the franchise away from those fucking producers that have such an inept view of what a Bond movie should be. Goldeneye and Casino Royale were both directed by Campbell. I say bring back Campbell or take a fucking risk and get someone like Tarantino or Spielberg.
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at least Greengrass knows how to utilize shakey-cam/fast-editing for his purposes, unlike the 3 stooges filmmakers of QOS who were on schizoid mode without a clue how to shoot it. Ultimatum's NY carchase showed just enough to get what is going on, whereas the opening carchase in QOS was a kaleidoscope of bright colors and flashes.
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...but if you report every time he makes a joke, can you put it in a separate section or something? The chaps at EON are clearly - and wisely - trying to replicate what happened with the first 4 or 5 Bond movies, all of which, apart from Goldfinger, led towards Bond getting to grips with Spectre.
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http://www.penguinmunitions.com
Does this mean they'll go with The Penguin for part 3??? -
Small wonder the folks on AICN talkbacks are a laughing stock. See Empire's review of AVP:R or check out Seth Rogen's 'quotes' on IMDB. You people have become the very definition of 'irrational hatred'
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Damn You Michael Bay
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Yes the Quantum of Mess was a big mess, thanks to Forster , Wilson and Broccoli. Never in the history of the bond movies was such a cack handed unfinished movie released. Even now i am still bitter about paying moeny for seeing such an unedited and unfinsied scripted mess. Out of annoyance over this, even if the next Bond movie is well written , filmed and edited, i will not pay to see it. That simple. Barbara Broccoli has squandered away a good thirty years of her fathers legacy through inteference and lack of taste and eye for story and patience. Well would you pay to watch mess pretending to be entertainment? No. didnt think so.
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All the parts from Quantum of Solace that would have advanced the plot but for some reason happened off camera.
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a camera tripod and wide angle lens in the next film
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Mass's review vanished off the front page and sidebars, so how about setting up a new TB for all 24 of us who suffered through that film?
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Yea I'm not buyin it as a Batman Viral site since the Nolans haven't even committed to the third movie yet, it's just too soon. Plus its waaaaaaaaay to obvious, not like the earlier virals which were subtle. Finaly I think the penguin would be smarter, but not as malicious, than such a website, which announces everything that he is doing and selling. Good try. But if it is a real viral site... I will suck on Danny Glover's dickblood. what? what did i say?
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Dec 08, 2008 5:27:59 AM CST
I still don't know what you guys are bitching about
by caruso_stalker217
I didn't think QoS was confusing or messy. That opening car chase was butchered in the editing room, true. But I could still tell what was going on. And I had no problem following the story. I think some of you complainers just like to complain. You guys and your complaining. Jeez.
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They are going to have to bridge the story gap which happens near the end. especially that last conversation between green and bond.
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Bourne's is higher though.
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In light of the fact that same guy always tries to pimp avatar in every damn talkback, behold my new campaign!
(btw the answer is: nobody!)
And to answer your question THEKNIGHT: One word - EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEME -
People have already seen TRON and THE MATRIX, they don't want to see it again. After this, expect James "Underwater Fetish" Cameron to direct TITERMINATOR, in which it turns out that Leo Dicaprio was actually a good guy robot assassin from the future, isn't dead, and is ardently in love with the elder version of Kate Winslet (thereby opening the floodgates of wish fulfillment for millions of romantically disappointed women who still haven't found "true love" with a male model who cares what they think and doesn't care how fat or boring they are. Expect crossover potential with TWILIGHT and copious references to the most overrated film in the geekart pantheon: T2: WE WUB WOO ROBODADDY / OLD ROBOYELLER.
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How could this story be over if nobody learned a fucking thing about Quantum?
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AICN said it would.
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I wasn't a fan of Quantum of Solace, but how can you say that the unfinished business got mopped up when the mastermind is left still quietly sitting in the background? I loved the way, when everyone else at the weird concert stood up and identified themselves, he just sat still, just watching the situation go south, like how he did watching from an alcove in Venice in Casino Royale.
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...and was in the opera scene. Yeah he is a small cog in Quantum, but Bond has bad blood with that fucker. He has to die at some point. He'll be back. James Bond will return in ...
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Can we please just quash that right now? It's a clever idea, moderately well done at best, and CLEARLY fake. Last I heard Nolan hasn't even decided whether he's doing another Batman, hasn't really worked out what the story would be if does, and sure as hell doesn't have a script. This is a FAN SITE. Something somebody put together in their spare time. It's clever, but please stop trying to pass it off as the real deal. It's obviously not.
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what the big spoiler in the article was supposed to be. That story threads were tied up? That's kind of like saying "[SPOILER] in Return of the King we find out what happens with Frodo and the ring."
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There's just no reason for Jame Bond movies to exist anymore. We watch them out of habit, the same reason we still watch SNL and The Office. The Bond series jumped the shark or nuked the fridge or picked Sarah Palin as its running mate decades ago.
I enjoyed the Pierce Brosnan movies at the time, but, honestly, the only thing I can remember about any of them is Halle Berry's bikini and invisible cars on a frozen lake.
And people talk about how great Casino Royale was, but it wasn't nearly as interesting as one of those poker shows you find on basic cable every weekend, and those aren't half as interesting as the fishing shows.
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too heavy handed. the biggest mistake is using the PENguin logo from an auctocad program. just google 'penguin logo' it's in the first page. it's a copyrighted logo. hope they get sued
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I'd like to see the characters and villains evolve and develop. That's fine if they're done with the sequel approach, but I hope that doesn't mean we're getting straight up stand alones either. And have the Bond actors always had so much pull? From interview it sounds like Craig gets his share of input into his this series develops.
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Mr. White is still at large and so is the rest of the organization. And killing Mr. Green was a wasted source of intel to bring down the entire organization. And the White/Keys theme song FUCKING SUCKED!!!!!
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... Quantum of Solace was pure garbage.
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they'd clearly see that Quantum is going to be in the other films it's just that the Bond's revenge for Vesper story is over. The next film will likely have Quantum or at least a villain who it turn out work for them but Bond's character will be less out for revenge and more about the mission, and fucking hot women of course.
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i'm sure others have mentioned but.....it didnt need Fellowship to do well to get the others going since all 3 were filmed in one shot, hence the year long shooting schedual. maybe some people think they were filmed seperately because of the reshoots but yeah.
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But if you were a professional assassin 24/7 and some organization killed the love of your life, you just might want sadistic revenge on those responsible.
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... err just for the record LOTR is three books, hence the three film 'trilogy'. It can justifiably be called one therefore.
The Quantum of Solace (the organisation) is the modern day Spector. We didnt find anything out about it other than the main protagonist worked for them. There has to be another film dedecated to Q of S or more based around the evil machinations of the organisation. Q of S is not dead, it has only just been implanted into our (and the film's MI5's) minds. -
And Forster clearly didn't want to make a Bond movie. Every interview seemed to be him discussing some art piece.
I actually enjoyed Monster's Ball in isolation, but when you put it together with his overall temperament it looks horribly overdone. And oh look, QoS was horribly overdone. I have a feeling the editing was just so because they had to salvage something from the footage. -
... but not a trilogy, no way. There is no need for Q of S to come to an end after a third film they can be there throughout any further films. Its leaders untouchable and the 'small' guy taking the fall each time.
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We definitely have the right person playing Bond. He is everything that character needs. Now we just need to get a different take on the action and plot.
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The Indiana Jones, Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Alien movies are proof that when they talk about a James Bond trilogy, they mean there's two movies left.Which also means we can look forward to The Matrix Resurrection and Godfather 4 at some point.
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was intriquing. However the cinematography and the editing was obviously done by an 8-year old who had too many packets of Pop Rocks mixed with cola. This film turned out to be a royal mess.
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Which, in comparison to CASINO ROYALE, means it was a disappointment to many, especially when we're presented with a "Casino Royale Part II" storyline.
Marc Forster was too busy trying to turn Bond into Bourne that he forgot to tell a decent story and didn't even notice that Gemma Arterton, the minor "Bond Girl" in QUANTUM, had far better chemisty with Daniel Craig than that pretty piece of wood Olga Kurylenko.
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But Bond questioned Mr Green before he killed him - we just didn't see it. So we don't know what Bond now knows. I think the situation is pretty interesting. I thought the film was good. Only one criticism: if Jack and Alicia had studies their Bach Chorales, they would have known to steer away from parallel 4ths or 5ths. That's al.
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is absolutely the way to go.
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and DIE ANOTHER DAY. Except for the Opera scene, which kicked all kinds of butt. Oh yeah, and Craig is good as Bond.
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You're a genius - I didn't spot that Money-penny gaga
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Is that the Q branch has already been introduced. Perhaps the shady Mr. White or whatever his name is will be brought in as Q...he does seem to have 9 lives and he does seem to have access to gadgets and things of the sort. It kind of dawned on me when everyone was wearing the 'Q' lapel pins at the opera...I'm probably stretching, but I wouldn't put it past them...
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Be a shame to waste this SPECTRE like shady bunch. Making bankers and politicians the puppet masters of a new SPECTRE is a neat treat in bringing some of the 60s, while making it relevant. The story may be over, but i hope these villains have more to say - like to see Bond dig a little deeper.
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They've fubar'd Bond so badly it hardly matters anymore. Would be great to see someone else get a hold of the Bond property and do something truly cool and fresh with it while retaining the elements that made him the timeless icon he is(was). RIP Commander Bond.
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I doubt Warner Bros. would've registered the site at "freewebs.com," where you can "create your own website for free!" (wow...did they pay someone for that marketing genius?) Fake.
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but the outright hate is pretty laughable. I really like the film - didn't have a problem following the action, I actually prefer the action in QoS than in Ultimatum (but that's because Ultimatum uses shaky cam the entire running length time, the camera isn't still for longer than 2 seconds until the very last shot). Bond was fucking brutal here and I appreciated the sparseness of everything, it's a stripped down revenge fuelled action movie with unmistakable Bond flair. It's one movie amongst 22, going this route once works.
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a very good movie, keep em coming.
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how about we delve more into plots this time around... this movie was way too fucking short and developed. if he wants to lie on a beach, take a fucking vacation... he has the money! fuck.
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Thought the film was fantastic - had a gritty 70's crime thriller edge to it in it's political incorrectness and burnt-out photography. Need another viewing to judge the editing (i'm a humble tv editor), but the only time i had a problem was in the boat chase (lack of geography). However this gave it an expressionistic feel (lots of chaos). Forster was right about the movie being a bullet - seeing that film was the best birthday i've had in years:) And for the first time in many Bonds the character's dramatic arcs didn't take second place to the Bond formula - Greene/Bond confrontation in the desert was low action/high tension - loved it. Same goes for the the epilogue with Vesper's boyfriend. Great stuff. Did i mention the Opera --- the silent meeting on the stairs, followed by the gunfight minus gunshot SFX... best action scene to ever grace a Bond movie (OK, 2nd place after Connery and Shaw on the train). Elevated proceedings to the Art Movie category - don't think Tarantino coulda' done that any better.
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Dec 08, 2008 10:33:39 AM CST
QoS was let down by sloppy action direction. They should let Ta
by mr nicholas
And I agree that Q and Moneypenny should come back. I'm sure they'll make them less cartoony this time round.
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and that no talkback was created for feedback. hummmm, actually it seems that way at all the movie related site.
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He's dead right about the origins of Q and Moneypenny. Q as a brilliant, eccentric inventor who works for questionable bosses, and is recruited by M is truly interesting. It means Q will have his finger on the pulse of technology, and you'll never know who or what he knows. Same with Moneypenny. I'd go really young with her--too bad they killed off Gemma Atherton's character--someone inexperienced or just experienced enough to work for Bond in International Exports. She *shouldn't* know that she is now employed by MI6; that should be part of her growth as a character. Smart, funny, and a bit clutzy would work. She has a crush on Bond, but thinks she's actually in a dead-end job otherwise.
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And only morons who didn't understand it didn't like it. No disrespect. There very definitely needs to be a trilogy here since we have no fucking clue who Quantum is yet. I mean that's a no brainer.
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...I thought Forster did a shoddy job, overall. QoS got better as it went on, but the first half was an over-edited mess. The writing needs to be sharper, too (where's the witty wordplay?). The thing they forgot is James Bond is a great character unto himself -- making him more like that blank-slate vengeance machine Jason Bourne takes away from the vicarious pleasure of watching Bond's adventurous lifestyle. The fact that Craig seems to understand this bodes well.
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Actually Fellowship, The Two Towers and Return of the King were filmed simultaneously. There were some reshoots on both sequels but the majority of both films was in the can by the time Fellowship was released.
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Dec 08, 2008 11:47:32 AM CST
So then we're just going to leave the story unsatisfying then?
by drewlicious
Casino Royale was kickass but Quantum had such a weak climax I kind of assumed it was just goingto lead us somewhere more interesting next time around. Oh well, maybe that'll leave an opportunity fora more interesting villain next time around.
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Is not a FUCKING TRILOGY... get off this fucking trilogy idea you stupid movie exec fucks... X-Men, Batman, Spidey, Bond, etc... have a million good stories to be told... stop saying they are trilogies you grundle licking morons!
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Simon Pegg as "Q" and Samantha Morton as "Moneypenny". Both are top notch actors. Also, if Dame Judie decides to retire as "M", perhaps Sir Anthony Hopkins or Helen Mirren. Hmmmm......
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I'm on board with that.
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True, except Bond is an assassin for the British Government, a democracy and presented in the series as being the good guys. He goes about killing people because it is his duty, not because he likes it (in fact, in the short story “The Living Daylights”, Flemming spells out how much Bond dislikes killing someone).
Plus, he is a professional who follows orders and tries not to let his emotions control him (read “Casino Royale” when Bond reads Vesper’s suicide note/confession; his reaction is “The bitch is dead” and then he moves on, trying not to let her death get to him). This Bond just does what he wants, damn the consequences and damn what his orders are. He is a TERRIBLE agent. Maybe it was because I was in the army, and despite the fact I never saw combat or any of my buddies killed, I know that there is a reason you obey your orders. You are not privy to all the information that you commanders are. Sure your buddies might have been gunned down in an ambush, but you don’t go AWOL or go off the reservation looking to get revenge. Why? Because you don’t know the overall strategy that the commanders have and you might be placing other soldiers or the mission at risk by making up your orders.
I mean I am stunned at how bad an agent he was in this movie. Here is a couple of examples:
He refuses to obey direct orders and follow his superior’s commands: I don’t care how good of agent they say Bond is, no agency would put up with his recklessness and his insubordination. Even before he found out that there are Quantum members high up in the British Government, he was breaking orders for his own personal reasons and refusing to come in for debriefing. Like I said above, soldiers and agents are supposed to follow orders. If I am a soldier in Afghanistan and the Taliban kills one of my buddies, I am not allowed to commandeer a jeep and go into the hills on my own to go get them. I risk not only my life, but also that of the mission and my fellow soldiers.
He is responsible for the death of two of his comrades: Sure. Quantum might have been directly responsible for the death of Ms. Fields and Mathis, but it was Bond’s actions and recklessness that also got them killed. Once again to use the war analogy, the enemy might be directly responsible for shooting someone but that doesn’t mean you can’t hold your fellow soldiers partially responsible for incompetence and negligence. He seduced Ms. Fields and tricked her into helping him, and he convinced Mathis into helping him as well without really calculating the risk involved. I wonder if in the sequels Ms. Field’s ex-boyfriend or Mathis’ brother will appear looking for revenge against the man responsible for their deaths – James Bond!
He launches a completely unnecessary assault on Green’s hotel: Ok, there is no ticking time bomb, so why does Bond decide to launch a one-man assault on the place? It is just him and an inexperienced girl, both armed with pistols, attacking a place guarded by soldiers with assault rifles. Yeah, smart maneuver. There is no reason to attack the place anyways, because just because Green makes a payoff doesn’t mean you can’t pick him off later, same thing with that General. A smart agent would wait until he had a better time to get them.
Everything he did was unnecessary: Plus, the final thing that drove me nuts was that the entire case was actually pointless. Like I said before, their was no ticking time bomb, no deadline that had to be prevented. If Green gets the water rights, big fucking deal. The CIA or MI-6 can liquidate him later and then start a coup to over throw General Medrano. There was nothing going on in this movie that said Bond and the good guys had to tale immediate action. This isn’t like Thunderball with a nuclear bomb being used for blackmail, or even Day of the Jackal where a assassination is about to take place. Hell, they don’t even need a deadline. In Casino Royale Bond’s job is just to beat Le Chiffre in cards, which he does. It is Le Chiffre who is under pressure to get the money back by a certain date and because of that goes after Bond.
For those you say I am complaining too much, you are probably right. But I am not just sprouting off, “I hate Quantum of Solace”, I am explaining why I disliked it. And the reason I am saying this is because I like James Bond, and I like Daniel Craig as him, but I am disappointed with what they have put out. Hollywood will only make movies as good as you demand them to make, and I for one demand better.
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Acted like somebody who just hated his job and everything connected with it. Not a fun two hours watching somebody like that. It happens that way but I don't have to travel and buy popcorn to watch.
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Dec 08, 2008 12:46:54 PM CST
QoS = Worst Bond film ever with worst Bond ever. Thanks for noth
by peter skellen
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Listen, I appreciate the fact that you are a Flemming scholar but I'm sure you know that motion pictures seldom live up to their literary predecessors. However, as is now the case with Batman, our heroes are now living in a world that closer resembles reality. 007 is not going into space trying to stop death rays from killing all of the Earth's runway models. In Quantum, this guy is on his own mission for sure. But he just got his license to kill. I'm sure that as time goes by he realizes that with a little discretion he won't have to eliminate everyone he confronts for information. Not to mention the fact that he endangers himself every time he starts breaking bones. Just like a kid who gets his drivers license, you've got to go out there and get your footing so to speak. I'm pretty sure this agent took plenty of lives prior to getting the government's permission. Now that it's legal, they just took him off the chain. That's all. I really wouldn't classify Bond as a douche bag with an attitude.
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in CR who talked through Bond how to use the defib and also had a small role in QoS would be good as Q, in fact when I watched CR again and noticed that he could be and he popped up in QoS i thought yes this is him, but no joy. How fucking cool would it have been if it was and also that Gemma Atherton has first said her name was Fields, but really it was MoneyPenny etc. P.s. QoS- a fine Bond film with some major flaws- Craig great though but disappointed...
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but it was kind of forgettable. With Casino Royale we had Craig's big debut as 007, plus the debut of a rougher, less gadget-reliant bond. And it worked great. But as a result, QoS seemed kinda like a tacked-on ending to Casino. Which it is, storywise. What we need, without resorting to the camp of the 70s era Bond, is some memorable set pieces. A Golden Gate Bridge, a blimp, Blofeld's underwater fortress, etc. Something visually striking besides landscapes.
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the one that looked like an octopus and could rise from the sea.
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Philip french said in his Review of the movie that the makers expected you the audience to remember what happened to Vesper Lynd. So Eon are counting that we all remember what happened to dominic greene at the end of QOS. It is a huge risk. They are hoping to plant questions in our heads. and that by the end of this series, we the audience will have put it all together. MR white was there in the audience in the opera. Mr white is both elusive and evasive. His spies were infiltrated into MI6. they got to know M very well. The next film will be bigger in scale. and will form the bond we know. Mi6 and cia will come together to hunt down quantum. but like al-queada, Quantum is an organisation within an organisation.
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in return for giving them info on quantum. Mr White becomes Q. interesting. very interesting....
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He told us before they started shooting Quantum that it was going to be humorous, tongue-in-cheek, like Octopussy. Besides, it's not up to Craig what the next film is about. He's just an actor.
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Get real! Hopkins as M..! dream on.
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That's Mr White as Q - not a chance. Someone else mentioned the Hopkins thing - i'm still wishing! more likely a villain, but that ship passed already when he was replaced by Jonathon Price after John Woo's MI2 shoot overran :(
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That's Mr White as Q - not a chance. Someone else mentioned the Hopkins thing - i'm still wishing! more likely a villain, but that ship passed already when he was replaced by Jonathon Price after John Woo's MI2 shoot overran :(
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here goes. One of the reasons that I loved phone booth. i fact the only reason I loved Phone booth was Kiefer Sutherland. I loved the fact the he was mysterious and you never knew his real motives. and in the end he was and here is the frightening thing. an ordinary joe. That is who I would love to see as the head of quantum. Kiefer Sutherland. As a villian in phone booth he was outstanding, rivetting. and he made Farrell's character shit himself. nobody caught him, he just walked away. An older, wiser and yet more cynical version of bauer, is what the bond movies need as a head of quantum. They should sign keifer up immediately.
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This practice of proclaiming the most recent iteration of something "the worst ever" just because you disliked it has to end. It's virtually impossible to make a worse Bond film than A View to a Kill. That said, QoS was a solid B or B-plus (Casino Royale being an A). Flawed yes, but spare me the exaggeration.
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meets the jack sack. I'd pay to see that.
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is awful. In fact it is cringe inducing. Which is why Goldeneye untill the end was a breath of fresh air.
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Kiefer Sutherland would be great... though i'd rather see a legend (no disrespect to the excellent Kiefer Sutherland). Maybe Hopkins, or Michael Gambon (i know he did it already with Layer Cake, but he can do better - his ruthless turn in The Insider was great). Gary Oldman would also be nice!
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I was about to write another post explaining why I didn’t like QOS, but I saw your post and felt compelled to comment on that first.
I like the idea of a Kiefer Southerland/Jack Bauer type as one of the villains. I think Kiefer himself might be a bad idea because of all the baggage he would bring to the role. But the idea of an older, wiser, much more ruthless Bond-type as the villain intrigues me. Finally a villain who might be Bond’s better.
I would add a couple of stipulations though to what you said. I don’t think I would make him the main villain. Bond - and Jack Bauer - are operatives, field agents. They are the guys you send out to handle problems, not the ones you put in charge of an organization. While Bond and Bauer might be able to supervise and command a division or an operation, they wouldn’t have the skill sets to handle the administrating an entire secret organization or agency. But that leaves a question, who would be in charge?
Get an Anthony Hopkins type as the head of the group, operating as a kind of opposite number for M. Now you got some villains for a movie. It would be basically M taking on the head of Quantum, but instead of facing it other directly they would be fighting a war of proxy with their best operatives. It would be kind of like the old Bond movies when you had the main nemesis and his chief henchmen (Goldfinger and Oddjob), but updated for nowadays.
Just a suggestion.
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great and all as he would be as villain. They, the producers would have to get him to tone down his..well.. Hammy acting and there is the not inconsiderable fact that this franchise is all about bond. It was said Speilberg met with Cubby Broccoli and brocolli told him he was too young. Spielberg never made a bond film because they cant have anyone to overshadow things. Hopkins would demand top billing. if hopkins could turn in a perfromance as siezmic as the one in Remains of the day. great. but that I feel was a one off. His performance in remains of the day remains the finest performance of his career. I would like to see more of that hopkins and not the hammy welsh ham of the Lecter series. and beyond.
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in that small film about the kiwi who broke the land speed record.
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What did you not like about qos.
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He's an actor. He does what he's told to do.
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If you I read what QOS was about on paper, I would assume I was going to love it: James Bond is trying to put the pain of Vesper Lynd’s death and betrayal behind him, while at the same time investigating the mysterious subversive-terrorist organization responsible for her death, Quantum and trying to prevent them from gaining a monopoly on a nation’s natural resources – in this case water. It reads as if it would be perfect.
However, to me, the film was a mess. Besides the bad direction and editing during the action scenes, the entire tone and story of the movie didn’t work. It was like the spy from Casino Royale was replaced by a stereotypical action star who just barrows through all of his problems.
Like I mentioned above, one of my big pet peeves of the movie was how James Bond acted. He is supposed to be a professional spy, yet in this movie he acted like a spoiled, hurt teenager. I know his girlfriend was killed (technically she committed suicide so she wouldn’t have to face the consequences of her actions) but that doesn’t give you the right to circumnavigate orders just for your own personal reasons. Someone mentioned how he just earned his license to kill – well it isn’t like a license to drive. It is something that you earn and after you have proved yourself worthy of it. You don’t get to use it for personal reasons, but at the discretion of the government.
Maybe it is because I was in the army that I can’t overlook this, but it does just drive me nuts. Two quick examples of James’ unprofessional behavior:
When he kills the man in his hotel room. So far, the only evidence they have to link him to Mr. White and Le Chiffre is that marked money. That is pretty flimsy evidence to say he is definitely connected to a terrorist group. And yes, he did attack James Bond, but that was after James Bond broke into his hotel room. I think you could claim self-defense. I mean, chances are he might be an unwitting courier or someone only tentatively linked to this group. Or he could be completely innocence and James Bond just killed. Lucky for Bond in the movie it is revealed he is an assassin (how convenient for him).
Once again I am going to mention the assault on the hotel at the end. I mean, you are a professional operative, probably ex-SAS, and your strategy is to do a full frontal attack armed with a SUV and some pistols on a place crawling with heavily armed guards? At least have James plant some bombs as diversion!
I will say there were some bright spots, mostly regarding Jeffrey Wright as Felix Leiter. That was the nuanced performance I was looking for. Here is a man conflicted between doing his duty and following orders, and also obeying his conscious and doing the right thing. Unlike Bond, who just wants to satisfy his own personal desire for revenge.
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I meant "barrels through all of his problems" instead of "barrows".
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Really, that's the feeling I've gotten from CR and QoS. They're the gadget guys instead of Q now.
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I know, but I thought I also heard Peter Jackson say that if Fellowship hadn't have done well theatrically then there was no guarantee that the other films would be released. At best they'd go straight to DVD. That was why he was hoping people went out to buy tickets for Fellowship.
In short, just because you have a trilogy in mind, doesn't mean it'll be seen the way you want. -
made no sense. because she had been told by the foreign Sec.(tim piggot smith). pull him out or the americans put him down. M then ordered that bonds passport and cards be frozen. then suddenly its all different in the blink of an eye. The writers also alluded to something else about bonds mother. and they alluded to who it is....
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That is whay they got rid of brosnan. and hired Daniel Craig.
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And never mind a trilogy. let Craig hold the role for 20 years like Sean did. And I'm in no hurry to see Moneypenny and Q. Those old films always had the same formula, and it's certainly time to give the franchise a fresh feel.
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"it's a stripped down revenge fuelled action movie with unmistakable Bond flair" LOL. it's actually a convulated schizophrenic mess trying to be 5 different things at once. "revenge fueled" good little catchphrase there, but it's really "we have no other ideas anymore and the kids love revenge so here's another revenge story". bond "flair" lol lay off smelling your own feces, the methane is fucking up your brain.
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Because the movie was blatantly a middle segment. CASINO ROYALE hinted at the menace of Quantum, QUANTUM OF SOLACE identified it, now AN INEBRIATION OF FISH BLISTERS (or whatever) will have to finish the tale.
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The vengeance for Vesper? Well sure, that's been put to rest relatively speaking, but they're nuts if they don't use Quantum again and continue to go do the path of SPECTRE. Yeah, Bond needs to move on because he still has to have what's left of his heart ripped out and roasted on a spitt by Blofeld and Irma Bunt when they kill his wife! Don't know about remake territory, considering that there are what, four or five Bond movies in Craig--three more if we're lucky? Yeah, this series probably won't get around to retelling On Her Majesty's Secret Service--but I admit that's the one I want to see the new series tackle.
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Give the man a banana!
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need to learn that it's not poor direction or poor camera work but a highly emplyed skill that some viewers like yourself simply lack the ability to follow. It's unfortunate that you're in that percentage that simply can't focus on rapid action scenes caught with a camera in motion or follow such a sequence without it being spoon fed in perfectly framed poloraids; but that's just evolution of cinema and you're going to have to learn to complain a lot more to deaf ears or learn to adapt because the technique is an established one now. QoS was a genius of a Bond film, getting to the heart of the character that Fleming wrote and steering clear of all that bollocks that the film producers turned the movies into for the general public. No stupid gagets or stupid jokes the was Bond was supposed to be and no villains trying to take over the world with mini armies in silly bases! All that is spoof spy nonsense the public needs to exorcise out of their Bond-pre-requisite conceptions. This is a Bond film about REAL villains that exist, not comic book ones. The villain is not trying to control water he's trying to make money for his parent organization your IDIOTS! and by any means necessary as true criminals do. There is a larger organization that these films are showing you controling the hands of the puppets like LeChiffe and Dominic who fund their causes through sources like illegal banking of terrorist funds, high stake gambling and manipulation of the commerce for small countries and nations. If you can't follow a real story then by all means resort back to comic strip version of Bond that paints a simple picture of women who need rescuing, villains who try to take over the world every week with home-made armies from their basements and a joke a minute bond who doesn't get a crease in his suit let alone a scrath on his face no matter how many bullets fly his way because Q made him a gadget that can do anything and always saves the day so he can have sex before the end credits. God, you people are simpletons!
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Maybe it's just me, but I absolutely could not follow the first half of the movie. Craig is becoming a favorite Bond, though. I daresay he's following a close second to Sean Connery.
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Actually the shaky cam and fast edit is a cheat often used to make fighters or action better than it actually is. I first learned this ages ago after the final fight between Mel Gibson and Gary Busey at the end of Lethal Weapon. I read an interview about the Gracie Jiu Jitsu family, who worked on the fight choreography, at the time. They explained that the fight had to be edited that way because of the actors and their skills or lack thereof. The ADD editing of certain movies is simply due to either unskilled actors/stuntmen or due to the fact that the director/dp wasn't able to capture the action clearly. And now a new generation of filmmakers are coming out that think choppy camerawork and editing while suffering from Parkinson's is absolutely brilliant. *sigh*
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Then give a blow by blow explanation of the Mathis death sequence. Then read it back to yourself. Then apologise. I loved Casion Royale but QoS had a lot of problems. It seemed to spend all its time jumping abruptly to events AFTER the events that we're interested in. It was almost as if they went through and cut all the scenes that were action sequences. A lot of it didn't make logical sense either. Bond appeared to be using some sort of ESP to make his decisions, relying on information the audience had (from watching the film), rather than information he could have had. Like the scene where he's just sort of hanging around near Greene (very Bond-like, standing outside a chain link fence with your hands in your pockets) and decides to jump a motorcycle onto a boat to rescue Olga Kurylenko, presumably because he'd read what might happen to her in the script. And instead of setting up exotic locales in the usual Bond fashion, so you get some sense of where you are, it just jumped into them. Usually AFTER Bond had done something interesting there. So we got to see Bond telling someone else about the fascinating plot advancing thing that just happened.
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Every time Bond dispatched somebody that MI6 clearly wanted alive, all "M" could do is repeat "Oh, dear - he's killing everybody!" And their response to the killing spree is to send a hot naive girl (wearing nothing but a trench coat) out to bring him in. It's so ridiculous that it's hard for me to believe people are lauding this new series for its "realism". The first unsanctioned murder Bond committed should have resulted with a strike team being sent to catch him and bring him in to answer charges - or a another 00 agent being sent out to put Bond down like a dog. There is no reason why an organization like MI6 would put up with a liability like the new James Bond.
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That was the other genius thing MI6 did to stop Bond - cancel his credit cards. And after he's told his card's no good, we cut to a scene of Bond in the place we were just told he couldn't afford a ticket to, with no explanation as to how he managed to travel with no money.
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Yeah, I just don't get people calling this series “realistic” and than willing to ignore how unrealistic Bond and MI6 acts. The thing is, I like Daniel Craig as Bond, and I like the idea of a more realistic Bond universe. I just felt that this film was one huge step backwards.
I mean, the scene where all the heads of Quantum meet at a charity opera, so Bond can conveniently learn how powerful this organization is and be able to take photos of those leaving? And of course they are trying to stay secret and not draw attention to themselves so their minions go out and have a shootout with James Bond right there at the event which SURELY the press will never notice. That played like old, fake Roger Moore’s Bond at it worst. You know what would have been more realistic? By having the heads of Quantum NOT meet. I mean, the mob learned after Appalachia, you don’t get together in large numbers because it draws attention to yourselves and you use messengers and emissaries.
Also, I disagree with those who don’t think Q is realistic enough to bring into the Bond universe. In the books his name is Major Boothroyd, and he is the chief armourer for the Q branch. His job is to outfit and maintain MI6 agents weapons. And even in this modern, more realistic universe Bond will sometimes need special weapons. Think Day of the Jackal (“Well security is going to be heavy, Bond, so we have taken the liberty of camouflaging your weapon as crutches so you should be able to get within 200 yards of the target”).
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Just off the top of my head (and it has been a while since I read them) but I can remember a grand total of TWO times Bond even gets anywhere NEAR anything even REMOTELY like a Q branch in the books - when he's given a Walther PPK and ordered to retire his Beretta in Dr No (and maybe that guy was just an armourer and nothing to do with any "Q" - I'd have to dig up the book) and when he picks up the car with the heavy armour in the back in Thunderball.
I think he actually goes to Q branch there instead of, say, the motor pool - but Thunderball is kind of an exceptional book in the Bond series...
OK maybe I'm being a bit purist, but even if you disregard the fact there are even any books out there, I STILL think having some stupid ass "Q" branch was a STUPID thing to do IN THE FIRST PLACE and a REALLY REALLY stupid thing to want to go BACK to.
Bond seems to be doing just fine with his Sony-Ericsson phone so far (everybody has a Sony-Ericsson, in case you hadn't noticed) and the LAST thing these films need right now is some bullshit contrived scene showing off a whole bunch of ridiculous tech that doesn't exist, except to serve as a convenient deus ex machina at a critical point in the film where the writers have literally run out of ideas.
NO THANK YOU
If I even catch wind of them reintroducing Q or R or any other similar bullshit, consider me officially OVER the franchise and DONE giving them another cent of my hard-earned. -
took two goes for everything to make sense in those action scenes, but I (like I suspect many others on this site) don't mind watching a film many times over and actually like catching things I missed the first time around...
Let me just make ONE thing clear because there are obviously a lot of people who MISSED this-
QoS is NOT a revenge flick - let me repeat that - it is NOT about Bond getting revenge!
Some of the very last lines of dialog sum it up perfectly - M says "it's nice to have you back" and Bond replies "I NEVER LEFT" - if it was all a bit too subtle for you, I suggest you go back and watch this film again - IT IS NOT ABOUT BOND SEEKING REVENGE.
Bond spends almost the ENTIRE film following leads he has picked up - specifically following the money - because that is HIS JOB. He spends about two minutes of the film, right at the end, dealing with the Vesper issue - and in case you missed it, HE DOESN'T KILL her boyfriend.
Continentalop, I get you're military and Bond does not behave in a very military fashion - and maybe if he did the films would be more "realistic"...
-but this isn't real life - this is THE MOVIES...
Actually - again this is maybe kinda subtle for some people - the closest this film gets to being about revenge is the fact that Quantum tries to kill M - his boss - and she purposefully leaves Bond on a long leash, doing just enough to keep her butt covered with her bosses but not enough to really stop Bond, because SHE wants to know about these people who infiltrated HER organisation to the point where she was sending their agents Christmas cards.
Seriously, if you didn't get this stuff watch it again - Bond is NOT going after the people responsible for Vesper's death in this film, he is investigating a secret organisation that is infiltrating governments and recruiting spies.
Let me repeat it just one more time for the dummies - THIS IS NOT A REVENGE FILM! -
Oliver postgate was one half of the production company that created, the clangers and bagpuss, pogles, ivor the engine, the pingwings and very lastly tottys house. Smallfilms was essentailly a cowshed. But Peter firmin and oliver postgate created magic. Bagpuss in 1998 was voted the greatest british kids tv show of all time. His auto-biography Seeing things is a great read. His loss to televsion will be huge. but his era was over. You can trace the dumbing down in the BBC all the way back to its daft decision to cancel Bagpuss on the grounds that kids found puppetry old fashion. Roland Rat proved how silly that point was.
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Eon told everyone that this film was about bond getting revenge. they made a point of saying so in press promotion and the trailers.
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Quantum was quite an action-heavy Bond (although there definitely WAS a plot, naysayers), and maybe it will be better to have something less adrenalin-fueled for the next one. (The pre-titled sequence was particularly confusing.) But QOS was DEFINITELY not the worst Bond. I think it was one of the better ones of the last decade. Enjoyed it more than Casino Royale.
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