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For Catherine Hardwicke, there is no NEW MOON...

Hey folks, Harry here... with TWILIGHT at around $138 million on an investment of $37 million - you might think that Catherine Hardwicke's directorial position on this franchise was secure. However, while the hardcore fanbase loves or intensely likes this first film... Hardwicke's indie sensibilities have kept the film from crossing over into a larger audience base. When I saw Catherine here in Austin at the preview screening of TWILIGHT, I found her take on the material as she spoke to be very limited. And her capabilities to direct action sequences were limited - and in the interviews about how to handle the Wolves of NEW MOON... well, it didn't sound fantastic. What she did do was put together one helluva cast - and most TWILIGHT fans that I know were hoping she would not be a part of the second film. The story broke here, but even though I liked the first film quite a bit, in my group of male friends, I was almost alone. I think I got hooked by the story and the actors more than anything, but I did like some of Catherine's sensibilites. At this point - this is not official, we'll be looking for an announcement from Summit sometime soon... or perhaps they'll hold off till finding a replacement. PERSONALLY - I'd go with Kathryn Bigelow. In my opinion she would ramp this series up to exactly where it needs to be. Here's the official press release from Summit:

SUMMIT BEGINS SEARCH FOR NEW MOON DIRECTOR Los Angeles, CA, December 7, 2008 – Summit Entertainment and director Catherine Hardwicke jointly announced today that the filmmaker will not be directing the next installment in the newly minted TWILIGHT film franchise. Summit’s targeted end of 2009 or early 2010 release of the film, NEW MOON, does not work with Ms. Hardwicke’s required prep time to bring her vision of the film to the big screen. Thus as has been done before with many successful film franchises, the studio will employ a new director for NEW MOON. "I am sorry that due to timing I will not have the opportunity to direct NEW MOON,” said Hardwicke. “Directing TWILIGHT has been one of the great experiences of my life, and I am grateful to the fans for their passionate support of the film. I wish everyone at Summit the best with the sequel-- it is a great story." “Catherine did an incredible job in helping us to launch the TWILIGHT franchise and we thank her for all of her efforts and we very much hope to work with her on future Summit projects,” said Erik Feig, Summit’s President of Production. “We as a studio have a mandate to bring the next installment in the franchise to the big screen in a timely fashion so that fans can get more of Edward, Bella and all of the characters that Stephenie Meyer has created. We are able to pursue an aggressive time frame as we have the luxury of only adapting the novels into screenplays as opposed to having to create a storyline from scratch.”
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  • Dec. 7, 2008, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Fnord

    by I am the most horrible

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST

    I'm all for Kathry Bigelow directing something with Werewolves.

    by DerLanghaarige

    I just hope that it will be somethingother than Twilight 2.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 5:50 p.m. CST

    I'm all for Bam Bam Bigelow

    by DonnyUnitas

    BEAST FROM THE EAST. whats that you say? oh dear. RIP.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 5:55 p.m. CST

    There is no moon?

    by thebearovingian

    Say my headline as Neo would aka "There is no spoon?"<p>You're welcome.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Get Michael Bay...

    by DisneyFanatic

    Make the vampires blow up spectacularly when they step into the sun...<p> Awesome.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Lexi Alexander.

    by Nordling

    Because I want to see someone blown up in midair with a missile launcher.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST

    ANY MORE VAMPYRE BASEBALL GAMES?

    by alice 13

    do werewolves play hoops?

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Rob Zombie or maybe...

    by godoffireinhell

    ...those French guys who directed INSIDE. I'd say fly in Takashi Miike but he's fucking terrible when directing anything in English.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:09 p.m. CST

    "hardcore fanbase loves or intensely likes..."

    by Droid

    Not much wiggle room there, Harry.<p>With the reviews 'The Hurt Locker' has been getting, Kathryn Bigelow won't be touching a shit sequel to a shit film with a ten foot pole.<p>Me thinks it will be someone a smidge less talented. How about suggesting a director the material deserves?<p>My suggestion? JJ Abrams.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Well,

    by JumpinJehosaphat

    at least she didn't try to fuck our eyeballs. Man, I hated that term, but it's sadly grown on me. Anyway, my point was to say they should get Alfonso Cuarón. The guy would bring the tenderness and difficulties of a more mature relationship (assuming that's the direction the story goes), and combine them with some real gut-wrenching action set pieces. Other than that, I can't say I'm too invested in the series otherwise. A director like that might pull me in, however.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:13 p.m. CST

    How about Kevin Williamson?

    by MCVamp

    This kind of "Dawson's Creek meets not-scary horror" crap is right up his alley. And I'm sure he's not terribly busy. Or expensive.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Talk about getting punished for success!

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    When all involved were making this low budget movie, NOBODY knew it was going to be this big or they would've spent three times as much as they did to make it look like a bigger movie. The effects looked terrible. I guess most will say the film was successful because of the book phenomenon, but my 11 year old niece thought it was the best movie she'd ever seen (not my own opinion btw). This director led a nothing film property into a major profit and the reaction is to get rid of her just when things are getting started? Now let the big boys spend some real dough on the sequel so they can get all the credit for making it "better"? Man, that stinks for any business.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for

    by JumpinJehosaphat

    Oh, you mean like that hunk of shit space show Star Trak or whatever it's called that everyone hates....

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Why only females?

    by wontyouletmeknow.

    Most people keep mentioning female directors for the Twilight series. Personally, I think there are a damn good many male helmers out there that would bring this series to a place where the mainstream is more interested. It's quite basically very close to being an EMO story. Females directors would stay closer to that feeling while males would make it a little more appealing to non-emos. I'm not sexist. Just sayin'.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Reluctant...

    by MCVamp

    If the film had succeeded on its artistic merits rather than being a massively popular series of derivative romance novels with a supernatural twist, I'm sure booting the director would be a bigger deal. However, with the kind of hype TWILIGHT had in its favor, I'm sure Uwe Boll's dog could have directed and it still would have cleaned house at the box office.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Big loss

    by Thrillho77

    Her subtle examination of the complex emotional and...oh wait.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Punisher War Zone

    by gooseud

    Since no one cares about this....is there a reason seemingly all reference to Punisher War Zone has been wiped off of this site? I went today and it was pretty friggin fun, gory as all hell and so over the top it was ridiculous. Why is AICN ignoring this? Does it go back to Harry's irrational grudge against the last flick for having the temerity to go head to head with his beloved Kill Bill?

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:20 p.m. CST

    JumpinJehosaphat

    by wontyouletmeknow.

    I agree with you completely. Alf would be a great choice.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:21 p.m. CST

    How about Uwe Bowl?

    by disfigurehead

    The series can't suck anymore than it does now.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:25 p.m. CST

    gooseud

    by Damage_Inc

    I thought the same thing about the Punisher. I think we've only had 1 review so far. Has it been released yet or did you see it in a screening?

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST

    It is being "Punished"

    by MCVamp

    For whatever reason.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST

    nordling

    by gooseud

    in the theater I was in, at least, that was one of the great collective "Oh Shit" moments I've seen recently, hilarious.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Me

    by Bloo

    I'll do it, haven't read the books, haven't seen the first movie, but I have an idea...<P>just kidding, well not about not seeing it or reading the books, but really at this point, Summit could pull a random name out of the hat and if it was close to the book at all, it'd probably continue to do gangbusters. Here's a couple of off the wall suggestions of people who've worked in the genre before, are good solid directors and need a hit bdly<P>Carpenter<P>Landis

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Damage Inc

    by gooseud

    Yeah and the review (Massa) said it was one of the most hilariously gory fun B movies to come out in forever, which it totally is. Dominic West Hamming it up as the biggest cartoon exaggerated Sopranos parody-of-a-parody is worth the ticket price alone, I've never seen such terrible acting in my life.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Okay, McVamp--

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    I haven't read the books, but I know the general story. Obviously, I'm not the target audience, but I wonder how much better it could have been? Oh well, they change Harry Potter and James Bond directors every film too. I guess it's the norm. Gooseud, nobody's talking about the Punisher because everyone here loves Marvel, but this is in line to be the biggest bomb of the year. It opened in 8th place with only $4 million in spite of being the only new genre pic to open this week. I saw it today because I figured it would be gone by next weekend. There were 4 other people in the theater. It was fun as far as the gore goes and the lead actor did indeed look like the Punisher, but it looks every bit the direct-to-video movie it is. It's silly as hell and the structure is a mess.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    gooseud

    by Damage_Inc

    So how would you rate it compared to the other 2 Punisher movies? Also, is there any hint of a larger Marvel universe ala Iron man or Hulk, or is it just standalone goofiness?

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:35 p.m. CST

    gooseud and Damage_Inc - you are fucking crazy

    by Bass Bastardson

    I have not seen a worse movie this year than Punisher War Zone. That movie was easily the worst this I've seen this year and I've seen a lot of shit. It was a poorly shot, horribly acted, poorly paced and completely incompetent mess. Lexi Alexander should never be allowed behind the camera again. Ever. I don't know what you two are smoking. Seriously, PWZ was on par with an UWE BOLL film - that is how bad it is. Can you really be such a sucker for gore that it blinds you to how shitty that movie is?

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:37 p.m. CST

    How bout the Lexi?

    by Darth_Kaos

    Oh wait, she just released that BOMB - PUNISHER: WAR ZONE! But Kathryn Bigelow is actually a good idea. Out of all the so called female action directors, I actually like her.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Odd

    by Toonol

    I understand Twilight is the most successful film ever directed by a woman; it's odd they would switch directors.<p> I realize that the success was based on other factors than the director's skill... but I'm surprised that the producers realize that. They seem to make decisions based on superstition as much as anything rational. I would have thought they would push to make the sequel as similar in every respect to the original as they could.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Bass Bastardson

    by Damage_Inc

    What the hell are you talking about? I haven't even seen it. I'm just asking questions about it.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:41 p.m. CST

    JumpinJehosaphat

    by Droid

    Yes, exactly. JJ Abrams is death to a franchise. What we really need to do is utilise him to our advantage. Let's give him all the franchises we want to sink. He somehow managed to do it to Mission Impossible. Star Trek looks awful, and directed by Abrams, so how could it not be? Let's give him Twilight 2 and stop this series in its tracks. At worst he'll be distracted for a few years and therefore not ruining any franchises that are actually good.<p>Far too many uses of the word 'franchise'!

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Catherine Hardwicke, the directorial equivalent of a rebound lay

    by LHombreSiniestro

    No offense to her personally, but it always feels she gets attached to a project because it fell through with someone better and because they can get her on the cheap. Thus, she is tossed away when the product is successful for a real director when there's some capital. It's kinda sad.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for

    by Damage_Inc

    I totally agree that Star Trek looks terrible. The plot description looks even worse.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Joss Whedon + Harry

    by medicinaluser

    He seems creepy enough with his tween speak to actually put himself forward for this, once Dollhouse bombs. <BR><BR> I also have him pegged as one of the lone weirdos who tried to see this all on there own amongst a crowd of preteen girls...well him and Harry that is...come to think of it that is what the next movie needs. <BR><BR> Harry and Joss present New Moon<BR><BR> <BR><BR> <BR><BR> Please don't leave Mori :(

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Alfonso Cuarón?

    by Droid

    Why would you willingly waste someone as talented as him on Twilight 2? The Lexi Alexander and Kevin Williamson suggestions are more like it. There are plenty of directors who are involved with nothing but turgid films, why not save the talented ones for better fare?

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:53 p.m. CST

    No big loss ...

    by thepentaveret

    Me and the wife saw this Friday and I thought it was pretty bad. The performances were wooden and the film just didn't seem very well developed. I usually love it when the indie directors cross over into these mainstream projects (Chris Nolan's "Batman"; Gavin Hood's "Wolverine"), but this series might benefit from a more "experienced" director. I did like the material's take on its vampire mythology, but I assume that was hardly a concoction of Hardwicke's.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Sarah Palin to Direct!

    by Damage_Inc

    She is the queen of tween speak and she's already the laughing stock of America. She's got nothing to lose!

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Good call, Harry.

    by SebastianHaff

    On the Bigelow. That's just about the only thing that could get me to see a Twilight movie. That or make New Moon an NC-17 homage to Vampyros Lesbos. Yeah. That'd help too.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Good call, Harry.

    by SebastianHaff

    On the Bigelow. That's just about the only thing that could get me to see a Twilight movie. That or make New Moon an NC-17 homage to Vampyros Lesbos. Yeah. That'd help too.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST

    PWZ was indeed terrible

    by gooseud

    ITs exactly what Massawyrm said it was. But that doesnt mean it wasnt entertaining. Personally I found it entertaining as hell, but that doesnt mean it was GOOD. The acting was terrible. Thats part of the charm. You know that 80's Arnie flick Commando? Where he storms the beach and mows down like 872 well armed mercs without taking a scratch? If you liked that one, you' lll love this. If you think its total 80's cheese, youll hate PWZ. I'm not defending it, its terribly cheesy, but I had fun.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST

    For anyone who has seen War Zone

    by Damage_Inc

    How would you rate it compared to the other 2 Punisher movies? Also, is there any hint of a larger Marvel universe ala Iron man or Hulk, or is it just standalone goofiness?

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Wait...

    by SebastianHaff

    Why did that double post? I swear I didn't do that. Sorry.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Karen Moncrieff

    by Continentalop

    I nominate Karen Moncrieff for the position. She directed two very respectable indie films, Blue Car and Dead Girl, and directed the first episode of Six Feet Under. She is able to get performances out of actors, especially younger actors, and while she hasn't directed any action scenes, I have met and talked with her before and she has a very good grasp of action and special effects movies. <p> Plus, I found her to be really cool and would love it if genuinely nice people got rewarded in Hollywood for a change.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 7:12 p.m. CST

    MAN with this title I was hoping she was DEAD.

    by Galactic

    With the way people are dropping like flies lately, why can't she die? Why oh why...

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Christ Almighty

    by Damage_Inc

    Why can we never get any cool news on the weekends?

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Thank God

    by MrFloppy

    Her camera movements were awful in Twilight (the movie as well).

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Ok, so you're Catherine Hardwicke...

    by Droid

    You've managed to direct a piece of shit into a massively profitable 100m plus hit.<p>With the studio hotsy totsy for a sequel, you've been told that not only will you not get a HUGE payrise to direct it, but they are replacing you.<p>This is despite the fact that "the hardcore fanbase loves or intensely likes" your film. But those same ungrateful fans are hoping you will "not be a part of the second film".<p>I don't know about you, but I'd probably have feelings ranging somewhere between feeling a little slighted, and Hulking the fuck out.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 7:31 p.m. CST

    good move, not the right director

    by purplemonkeydw

    great casting, even a good look...horrible special effects...laughed a couple of times that weren't supposed to be funny. good luck.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Damage Inc--the Punisher movies

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    All three Punisher movies are bad for different reasons. The Lundgren Punisher is probably the easiest to excuse since it was made in the days before there was really a roadmap on how to make a successful comic book movie. It's still a guilty pleasure because the action scenes do have punch, but for God's sake can't we at least get a skull shirt?!?! The Thomas Jane Punisher is the slickest of the three, but drops the ball on delivering the R-rated violence Punisher fans want to see. It needed more of what the third movie offers. Which brings us to WarZone, a B-movie all the way, with terrible over-the-top acting and stop-and-go pacing and structure, but it delivers nicely on the violence and gore. The new guy actually looks like the Punisher too. I wish I could say it was better, but it will serve its audience best on dvd with a sixpack of cheap beer. As far as its place in the Marvel film universe, this is a Marvel Knights film. That means it exists in its own universe where none of the other superheroes exist.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 7:35 p.m. CST

    I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for

    by Damage_Inc

    Yeah, but you never know. She could have been a total bitch or something. It probably just comes down to money like it always does.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 7:47 p.m. CST

    The ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY good thing about Twilight (the movie)...

    by Kevin Bosch

    ...was her direction. The cinematography, some of the casting, some of the small character moments, the little touches that made it kinda sorta feel like a small indie film (until the fucking vampires showed up) was the only half bearable thing about this fucking movie. Pretty much, all of the creative decisions she was allowed to make were alright, and all the stuff she HAD to include cause it was part of the book were awful. Maybe what happened was, after the huge B.O. success, she though maybe she'd get more of a say in structuring the plot of the next movie, seeing as how it would have an opportunity at actual conflict with the girl having to choose between two boys (only know this cause of my step sister), as opposed to the first movie, where nothing happens, there is no natural conflict and the girl never takes any kind of proactive action at all. And the studio went.... no we're just going to make it bland and safe again, just like the books. Actually, maybe this is the best thing for her.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Hardwicke rescued this movie

    by drturing

    I don't give two shits about Twilight, I felt watching it like a 13 year old girl watching Transformers possibly feels. But I remember reading that Hardwicke first read the script and it ended with a JETSKI chase. The tone of the film felt wildly off, with some sequences having the sort of verite aspect of her skateboarding movie and a really natural texture - the best stuff in the movie. The worst stuff in it was Meyer's retarded concepts, like vampire baseball. And most importantly, Hardwicke made two kids into massive stars by getting something out of them - the only reason the film really works as the source material is so daft. She deserves a second chance. And people bitching about action scenes in Twilight are like people bitching about the romance scenes in Transformers. Fucking stupid.<p> On the other hand, Bigelow is a fucking GENIUS and she'd give these films the shakeup and subversion they need. Having just seen the hurt locker, she may be one of the finest set piece directors around - pity that its doomed to bomb and the script has such a ridiuclous moment in the third act that nearly implodes the movie. Up till then its a fucking masterpiece.<p> If summit claims that hardwicke was emotional and erratic, well, fuck... I mean no one ever stopped Don Simpson or Harvey Weiinstein from working on shit.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 7:54 p.m. CST

    I'm kidding.

    by JumpinJehosaphat

    I can't wait for Star Trek and think JJ will do a fine job. Anyway, I don't know about this Twilght thing. Never been into vampire stuff too much. I'm more of a zombie guy myself.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Damage_Inc

    by Droid

    I agree, it could be a multitude of reasons. My comments were directed towards Harry's post that "the hardcore fanbase loves or intensely likes" the film but don't want Hardwicke to "be a part of the second film". I don't know how you can love a film but still hope that a large reason for that will not be involved in the sequel.<p>Hey, Batman Begins was really good. I know, let's say "Fuck you, Nolan!". You're replaced!<p>Anyway, I'm not sure why I'm bothering. I have an irrational hatred of Twilight. Harry's post just annoyed me.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 7:58 p.m. CST

    I'm down w/ Kathyrn Bigelow, BUT...

    by ugh

    ...Catherine Hardwicke deserves our respect for being an "indie" director that appears to have nailed it on the first try with a high profile film. DO NOT MISTAKE THIS AS IF I CARE FOR THIS EMO KIDDIE CRAP; I'M JUST WAY TOO OLD FOR IT! Anyway, let me remind you of one Jon Favreau...who would have thought he would get "Iron Man" right (despite its soft 3rd act)!? If Summit Ent. pulls this lady, they owe her big time with another project for putting their sorry asses on the map! As for Kathyrn Bigelow, she would be a great choice -- she can direct strong female characters ("Strange Days" -- one of my favs) and emo ("Point Break"...I kid, of course). Getting a guy to do this...well, there are just too many male directors already. Besides, you'll end up with Brett Ratner!!! Last but not least since someone else mentioned it, DON'T BLAME LEXI FOR "PUNISHER: WAR ZONE". No, I haven't seen the movie yet but I have a good reason to wait: LIONSGATE!!! They have had a couple of '20th Century Fox'-type fuck ups this year already (read: "Midnight Meat Train"). So it's free pass or 'dollar' cinema for me. I'm sure I will enjoy it as long as I think of it the same way as "Rambo".

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 8:10 p.m. CST

    SCOOP: She was fired at the insistance of the author!

    by wallygogo

    When Twilight went into production, the author, Stephanie Meyer, gave two copies of her yet-unfinished manuscript Midnight Sun to Hardwicke and Robert Patinson, who plays Edward Cullen. She thought the yet to be released version of Twilight from Edward's point of view would give the director and actor more of a base to work from. Well, lo and behold, a short time later the manuscript ws "leaked" online and everyone got a peek. Apparently Stephanie Meyers had each copy secretly marked and she could tell right away that it was Hardwicke's copy appearing online. It was too late to do anything with Twilight, but reportedly, Meyer complained to the powers that be at Summit saying if Hardwicke is a part of the other Twilight movies, they can kiss her coperation and blessing goodbye. It was kind of a "she goes or I go" thing.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST

    DeadlineHollywood Update:

    by Kevin Bosch

    "Summit Entertainment Co-Chairman/CEO Rob Friedman just phoned me to say: 'Catherine and Summit have agreed to part ways on the sequel because our visions are different.'" So it does sound like she thought she deserved more control over the next movie, and the studio didn't want to give it up. I can't blame her. If you HAVE TO make a movie like Twilight to help you career, and follow all the stupid studio notes and mandates, at least you'd like to try to make any follow up something special and different and GOOD to try and make up for the first one. This is why parts of X-Men and Batman Begins aren't so great, but their sequels are so great; their respective directors were able to take full control after the initial success. Anyway, maybe Twilight in general was a bad idea. Again, this may be the best thing for Hardwicke.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 8:18 p.m. CST

    wallygogo

    by Paul Bucciarelli

    Where did you hear that from? Scripts these days are routinely marked/numbered for each crew member and everybody knows it. I find it hard to believe that Catherine Hardwicke herself put the script on the internet. she's been around too long to make that kind of foolish mistake.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 8:28 p.m. CST

    or what wallygogo said

    by Kevin Bosch

    It sounds very plausible. And Paul Bucciarelli, he said it was a manuscript for her upcoming book, not a script. Don't know if watermarking unfinished novels is as usual as it is with screenplays. Maybe it was a case of her letting some friends kid read it, and it ending up online that way.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    DocBosch/wallygogo

    by Paul Bucciarelli

    Sorry. I stupidly saw script instead of manuscript. It is very possible in that case. I've never seen any of her directorial efforts but as a production designer she was really good and always seemed to gravitate towards cool projects.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Why is she dropped?

    by ballyhoo

    What a stupid fucking move and a total 'fuck you' to Hardwicke. Throwing Hardwicke out for the sequel makes as much sense as throwing out Martin Campbell for the sequel to Casino Royale. "Hey thanks guys for bring in truckloads of cash for us. Now get the fuck away from us, because we are going to piss away sequels without you."

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    DocBosch

    by Paul Bucciarelli

    Interesting tidbit: Watermarking is not the only way that they I.D. scripts. A certain fanboy turned director who everybody used to love but now hates on likes to change one word in each copy of his scripts rather than watermark them.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    If you say her last name fast enough....

    by DisneyFanatic

    ... it sounds like Hard Dick.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    The Hurt Locker

    by Garbageman33

    Shows that Kathryn Bigelow is great with action. And not so great with character development. Doesn't sound much like Twilight to me.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST

    new batman viral site?

    by zom-bot.com

    http://www.penguinmunitions.com/

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Damn your eyes!

    by Fa Fa Fooey

    Too late :-)

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    My Suggestion Is Fran Walsh.

    by spidermanfreak20

    Why not guys? Why the hell not? Think about it...think about it... Fran Walsh making a werewolves movie with vampires...her husband being who he is? The possibilites WETA can bring. I mean Fran did direct some of the Gollum scenes with Andy Serkis. Come on first time in the directors chair...FRAN WALSH GUYS COME ON.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Inability to do action aside, Hardwicke made a good looking movi

    by TallBoy66

    Didn't like Twilight at all, almost the oppsosite of Harry when it comes to the actors and characters which I thought were almost universally awful, but I thought Hardwicke actually framed a good shot and had some nice visual tricks. Hell, one of the few things I liked about the franchise gets bounced. Swell.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    GOOOOOOOOD shes a bitch

    by BurgerKing

    Every interview she's ever in she whines about how male dominated film is, okay fair enough, but then she goes on to complain about every male director she ever worked with. Then dared to question why studios won't give her action movies and CGI when they give it to Chris Nolan. UMMMMMMMMM because your a dumb bitch? Way to set the progress and integrity of women directors back 10 years.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 9:36 p.m. CST

    ballyhoo

    by BurgerKing

    If you think that the director is the reason why Twilight made money your kidding yourself. It could have been directed by a monkey and would have made tons of cash.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Penguin Site

    by DisneyFanatic

    Looks fake... Though I did have to give them credit for the clever 404 error on the CEO page.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Headgeek, right on about Kathryn Bigelow

    by BadWaldosRevenge

    Great suggestion. Kathryn directed a very good vampire flick NEAR DARK, so why not do NEW MOON with vampires battling werewolves? Kate's style will add fresh aesthetics to the tired "standard love story" formula of TWILIGHT. Will Oliver Stone, James Cameron or Eric Red produce NEW MOON? Just kidding.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 10:02 p.m. CST

    zom-bot.com

    by Damage_Inc

    What's up zom-bot? That penguin site has to be a new TDK viral site. What else could it be?

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 10:12 p.m. CST

    can't wait for more Wolves and Vamps 90210

    by Gungan Slayer

    More! More! More! and lexi alexander is hot...too bad P:WZ sucks ass

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Penguin Munitions

    by Damage_Inc

    The Umbrella Gun http://tinyurl.com/6rcskq <p> "The extremely high quality umbrella design hides a fully function firearm within it. This weapon is absolutely safe to use! The umbrella mechanism is separate from the trigger. No accidental firings. Perfect for muggers, escaped lunatics and winged freaks." <p> That's awesome. This is the best viral site yet. Once again, AICN drops the ball on bringing us cool news.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 10:22 p.m. CST

    headgeek still has no penis

    by bacci40

    give the franchise to lexi alexander....i want those fucking teen girls to run from the theater screaming like little bitches

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 10:30 p.m. CST

    You guys are kidding right? (RE: Penguin site)

    by Kevin Bosch

    That's not an official site. There's no way they're going to make a viral site for a movie that hasn't even been written yet. It's obviously "fan made". There are real ads on it for chirst sake.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Agree with Doc

    by DisneyFanatic

    It had a very unprofessional "website generator" feel to the background and various unrelated ads at the bottom.<p> Seeing as Depp as Riddler and Hoffman as Penguin are regular rumors that have been circulating for a year or so, there is no doubt that this was a fan creation.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Damage_Inc

    by BadMrWonka

    "Once again, AICN drops the ball on bringing us cool news."<p>jesus christ. you have to be kidding...you feeble brained morons that are constantly complaining about AICN dropping the ball always choose the worst possible times to make a point.<p> this site is obviously fan made, and look! you found it on your own anyway, didn't you! courtesy of whinydingbats.com, yeah?<p>sad sacks, all of you...

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST

    bigelow wont touch this shit

    by bacci40

    unless she can take out all the mormon no sex bullshit...17 year old vampire my ass...she will turn him into a 90 yr old pedo and have him ass raping every girl on the planet

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by Damage_Inc

    You missed the whole point of what I was talking about. I'm just one of those people who can't understand why we can never get any cool news at all on the weekends. Like this twilight article, who gives a fuck? People are only talking about it out of boredom. As for the penguin site, I really don't give a fuck if it's real or not. If it isn't, then it is about the best fan site I have ever seen. At least it's more interesting than goddamned emo vampires for Christ's sake. <p> Just keep your petty little comments to yourself.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 10:59 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by Herb West

    As far as I can tell, you are the first person to insult someone in this talkback, and that makes you a special kind of cunt. Get fucked you little piece of shit.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST

    haven't seen the film

    by THE KNIGHT

    the action doesn't look well shot, but some of the trailers didn't look too bad...

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 11:02 p.m. CST

    M-O-O-N, that spells no New Moon.

    by Nasty In The Pasty

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 11:16 p.m. CST

    The penguin site is the best fan site you've ever seen?

    by Kevin Bosch

    I mean, there were FAKE Dark Knight viral sites this year that were twelve time better then that. Unless you currently reside in 1996, there is nothing impressive about that site. But I do get what you're saying about there being more "cool" articles on AICN, but the truth is sometimes there's just no news. And believe it or not, this does constitute as news since it is an interesting industry occurrence (indie director gets replaced after semi-genre film makes trillions). It at least give me the chance to come on here and say "This movie was shitty, but at least the DIRECTOR (since so many of us film geeks are auteur centric) kinda did a good job making it sorta bearable." Then we end up talking about cool shit like leaked manuscripts and creative script watermarking. And just because Harry posts ONE thing about Twilight does not somehow take away a spot from some other potential piece of news from being posted. If there was something else happening, he'd post it, but he can't make cool news up! And posting about some shitty, fake batman ad site would not cut it. People already complain when he posts actual COOL random, non film related stories.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 11:20 p.m. CST

    And notice...

    by Kevin Bosch

    ...I didnt insult anybody in my last post or the previous post. I'm just discussing the penguin site and AICN. I'm stating this in case you choose to attack me instead of talking about the topics.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 11:28 p.m. CST

    and also...

    by Kevin Bosch

    ...regarding the weekend.... you have to consider that it's the weekend! This is Harry & Co's regular job. They have to be at at a computer to update the site all throughout the week. They should at least get the weekend off to go out and do shit. Are you expected to work/go to school on the weekends (and if you are, then have some sympathy). And sometimes they come on and post a big news item like this (and this is a important news in the film industry in general) but you cant expect them to be constantly trolling badly made "viral" fan sites just to have something new to post on their days off. Okay, thats the end of all the points I had in my head.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 11:33 p.m. CST

    DocBosch

    by Herb West

    OK, I'll bite. Tell me about the Fake Dark Knight viral sites this year that were twelve time better then that. I want to see them. As for the topics, I might discuss them if I could figure out what the fuck they are. BTW, this whole site was founded on making cool news up. You must be very, very young.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST

    am I taking crazy pills?

    by BadMrWonka

    I'm being ridiculed for insulting someone in an AICN talkback? have you ever SEEN an AICN talkback? I take back NOTHING of what I said, and here's why:<p> I have been coming to this site for a HELLUVA long time. and back in the day, people had fun here, and when there was whining it was directed at the studio system, when there was fighting and arguing, it was between each other in the spirit of geekdom. and now, the next generation is here, and all you can do is PISS ON AICN OVER AND OVER!!<p<and it's so goddamn ludicrous. "this was on my sister's friend's dentists' dogwalker's blog like 15 minutes ago, way to get scooped guys! ain't it old news!!!" "haven't you guys heard that a guy is selling a picture of boba fett's cock on ebay?!" fucking give me a break.<p>and you're complaining that there is no news on the weekend? first off, GO PLAY BASEBALL or something. second, the AICN staff just can't make shit happen. there have been a few posts here though. I enjoyed, in a sad way, reading Peter Jackson's amazing eulogy for Forrest Ackerman, did you read that? Quint is still going strong with his movie a day column, did you read ANY of those? <p>but that's not really the point. the point is that you have such a comprehensive and misguided sense of fucking self-entitlement, that when you find a fake fan site somewhere on the web, you think you should come into a talkback on AICN for a movie that has nothing to do with it, and complain that they didn't tell you about the FAKE website first!! are you kidding? jesus trampolening christ!! <p>instead of pointing fingers at this site, look in the goddamn mirror, you are the problem. <p>and as for Herb West, thank you for at least giving me a chuckle. your post calling me out for insulting someone and rounding out your comment with "Get fucked you little piece of shit." that's pure comedy gold. so thank you for that, sir.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 11:53 p.m. CST

    bad wire work=Hardwick's fault

    by j_difool

    she could have called a stop to bad wire work on the set. you look at rushes, you ask yourself why people are "flying" in an upright position, why they are "running" like Fred Flintstone, and you fire the wire dude, or get him to fix it. when you are cutting your film, you tell your editor to start cutting some fucking action and stop being so lazy or you will fire her.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST

    cont.

    by BadMrWonka

    it's so goddamn ludicrous. "this was on my sister's friend's dentists' dogwalker's blog like 15 minutes ago, way to get scooped guys! ain't it old news!!!" "haven't you guys heard that a guy is selling a picture of boba fett's cock on ebay?!" fucking give me a break.<p>and you're complaining that there is no news on the weekend? first off, GO PLAY BASEBALL or something. second, the AICN staff just can't make shit happen. there have been a few posts here though. I enjoyed, in a sad way, reading Peter Jackson's amazing eulogy for Forrest Ackerman, did you read that? Quint is still going strong with his movie a day column, did you read ANY of those? <p>but that's not really the point. the point is that you have such a comprehensive and misguided sense of fucking self-entitlement, that when you find a fake fan site somewhere on the web, you think you should come into a talkback on AICN for a movie that has nothing to do with it, and complain that they didn't tell you about the FAKE website first!! are you kidding? jesus trampolening christ!! <p>instead of pointing fingers at this site, look in the goddamn mirror, you are the problem. <p>and as for Herb West, thank you for at least giving me a chuckle. your post calling me out for insulting someone and rounding out your comment with "Get fucked you little piece of shit." that's pure comedy gold. so thank you for that, sir.

  • Dec. 7, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    The penguin site is great.

    by Sawney Bean

    I don't know if it's real or not, but it's still very clever. Like the The Iceberg Lounge page. <p> http://tinyurl.com/5wecvp That's classic. It's exactly the way I can envision the lounge being, complete with arabs and an ice bar. <p> Or the Meet Our CEO page where you click on the small Back button and you get that pop up. Genius. I'll bet most people didn't even get that. <P> It's just a sign of a simple mind to rip something apart that you don't understand.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 12:03 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by Sawney Bean

    You ARE a fucking piece of shit. I'm tired of reading your bullshit remarks as you hide behind your anonymity. Go tell your mom it's your bedtime you little cunt.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Sawney Bean

    by BadMrWonka

    hiding behind anonymity? who are you people? what are you even talking about? anonymity?<p>is Sawney Bean your real name?

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by Herb West

    You are such a stupid fuck. You are still arguing about some offhand comment Damage_Inc made like 2 hours ago that didn't mean shit. Christ, I had to scroll up just to find out what you were even talking about. Just go get fucked, you fuckin little cunt.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 12:12 a.m. CST

    ha

    by BadMrWonka

    "It's just a sign of a simple mind to rip something apart that you don't understand."<p> it's a fansite, kiddo. let's keep the hyperbole to a minimum. it's made through iWeb for god sake, I use that for my website, it's not exactly fascinating and super-impressive. stick to attacking me for somehow being the only anonymous talkbacker, haha.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Herb West

    by BadMrWonka

    I made a comment, Damage made a comment, I made another one. it's a discussion, albeit one filled with insults, but a discussion nonetheless. <p>you, on the other hand, just seem interested in typing "cunt" over and over.<p>so, I guess, good luck with that.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 12:18 a.m. CST

    BTW, BadMrWonka

    by Damage_Inc

    You are the one who is a mother fucking problem here. It's trolls like you that give all of us a bad name. You are obviously too stupid to be able to communicate with anyone without insulting them or ripping something apart. And you are going through all of these antics over a god damned batman viral website. My God you are a dumb fuck.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 12:26 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by Herb West

    Well, the way I see it, sometimes it's just the only word that fits. The fact is that you are a cunt. And a piece of shit. And a dumb fuck. And a troll. <p> Everybody here seems to know it except for you.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Damage_Inc

    by Bass Bastardson

    Sorry, I misread one of your posts and lumped you in with the fella who liked PWZ. For the record PWZ is the worst of the punisher movies in my book. Commando is not a fair comparison as someone had suggested earlier - Commando had the presence of Arnie and a bunch of great one liners. The Punisher War Zone has neither of those things. It does have a couple of kick ass kills, but for how cheesy, boring and sloppy the rest of the movie is, it just isn't worth it. I didn't think it was so bad it's good, it was just so bad it's bad.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Young

    by Kevin Bosch

    I am young, if you consider 25 young, which many people may. But I'm not young in terms of this site, which I've been reading since at least 1998 (I specifically remember the Godzilla coverage). If you want proof, here's a review of mine that was published in 1999 (http://tinyurl.com/6yz4rv) and a Talkback from earlier in that year (http://tinyurl.com/5mx5wn). I couldn't find anything from earlier, since I may not have posted in Talkbacks at first. So, after reading this site for the past 10 years, I kind of have an idea of what this site is about. I don't think it was ever about MAKING UP news, but it was always fun to read farfetched rumors and "spy reports" about insignificant things from the set and super early reviews from the perspective of regular guys. Unfortunately, the very nature of this site (and other like it at the time, like Corona Coming Attractions and Dark Horizons) and the internet in general caused the whole game to change. Security on sets became tighter, and online "spies" started to be invited to preview screenings, and productions would either immediately dispel rumors or just release accurate information early on as marketing. The readers also changed. Whereas before, blurry pictures and crazy rumors were great, over the years people started demanding more concrete and relevant information from these types of sites. They wanted them to adhere to hard journalistic standards, but still complained that "this place has changed man." But I still don't think (I could be wrong) they ever made-up news, or posted obviously false information (unless it was supercool despite being fake, like the fan made Batman 3/Riddler poster). I'll look for that fake Dark Knight viral site, but I may have been thinking of an awesome fan made Lost viral site that everybody was fooled by for a while. If anything, I'll dredge up that awesome fake fan-made "Batman Begins sequel" trailer that was made before they had even released a frame of footage from the film (or even the title). In any case, THIS is what I mean by discussing the 'topics'. Whatever it may be, Twilight, fake Penguin viral site, the history of AICN.... whatever, as long as it's not attacking individuals (like trying to imply somebody is 'young') instead of just having discussions. Notice how I didn't and haven't tried to insult anybody in an attempt to strengthen my argument?

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Catherine Hardwicke's Work On Twilight Was Terrible!!! Hire Joss

    by Media Messiah

    Joss Whedon would have kicked some serious ass on Twilight, and not just because Twilight is a direct rip-off of Buffy...but parts of Twilight became self parody, something Joss would have steered it away from, and onto something emotionally enthralling, an entertainment one could admire and feel challenged by!!!<BR><BR>In the film, one male vampire constantly looks like he has gas, and another looks like he is constipated throughout the film, and I never voiced that, but I thought it as I was watching the movie, and I am seeing reviews from women who are saying this about the film, openly. Also I noticed, there were only two laughs in the movie, other than that, the audience that I saw the movie with was largely bored...and young women in the audience started checking their texting devices right after the embarrassing baseball scene. There was no evidence of audience participation or enjoyment, save for those two laughs at the expense of Bella's father.<BR><BR>Also the film needed to move faster, but failed to. As well, other seqeunces featuring Bella's parents, save for a few, should have been cut. We were seeing entirely too much of Mom and Dad in the film, again slowly the movie's pace greatly? In addition, the film needed some nice action sequences, and yet, we only got somewhat of a single...and slow moving action sequence toward the end of the film? The director had no understanding of proper flow for such a film, in terms of pacing and in terms of keeping the audience's interest up...as well as tapping into their emotions and nvolving them, vicariously. I suspect that she doesn't understand genre fair, because she doesn't like it, and you don't want someone directing material that they don't understand and or respect!!!<BR><BR>Back to the audience. No one seemed to be scared or spooked in the audience I was with. There were no screams, no claps of approval, nothing??? The film just played flat...save for the lead actress...who stole every scene she was in. That girl is something special...and is the only real special effect in this film.<BR><BR>I talked to a girl on another web sight about Twilight, and she said the book was better. She also pointed out that maybe fans of the book were not that moved because they already knew what to expect by having previously read the book. I agreed, but I told her, the director, if truly skilled, would have added sequences to the film that were positioned to surprised and thrill the fans of the book, and even new audiences...sequences that would not change the story, but would add unexpected action, thrills, suspense and scares, in order to keep the audience on their toes and engaged in the onscreen proceedings. I suggested something like, well, the sequence where Bella and Edward are standing on the top of the huge tree, wouldn't it be cool if Edward lost his grip on Bella, and she fell, perilously hitting tree branches as she tumbled downward toward certain death, Edward, helplessly looking on. Suddenly, pow, he appears underneath her, a hundred feet off the ground. Grabbing her safely in his arms, the two fall the rest of the way to the ground below. Bella...saved from the scary incident, thanks to Edward's heroics. It is moments like that which this film needed, moments that would not change the story, but would add some much needed energy and sense of wonder, and suspense to the film. Or, wouldn't it have been cool to see Edward flee the villainous vampire from tree top to tree top with Bella on his back...or in reverse, save her from the villain who has kidnapped her in such a way? I mean, why even introduce the moments with Edward and Bella standing on the tree tops unless they were going to play a greater role later in the movie--like showing us what Edward could do in a thrilling action fight in defense of Bella???<BR><BR> Oh, what Joss Whedon could have done with this material just boggles the mind???!!! He could have elevated it to visual, written, and acted poetry. The guy has an eye...and an understanding how to move his audience, and he is a damn good director at that!!! Why they didn't hire him, I will never know???!!! He could have made this 37 million dollar budget, look and feel like 80 million dollars, or at least 67.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Who gives a fuck!?!

    by MaxTheSilent

    Next!!

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Damage_Inc

    by Damage_Inc

    Wow, that was a long time ago. I figured that's what happened. Was Ray Stevenson good at least?

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 12:38 a.m. CST

    ok guys

    by BadMrWonka

    Damage, I was responding to YOUR original assertion, and I stand by my annoyance at it. by the way, you still haven't defended it, all you've done is adopt my point (it's only a viral website) except that YOU were the one to mention it first, and in a Twilight talkback for some reason (even though there are 2 Dark Knight talkbacks on the front page) and YOU were the one who implied it was iportant enough that AICN should have posted on it. but now you're saying I'M making it a big deal? sorry man, you struck out there.<p>Herb West, I've been in the AICN talkbacks for literally almost a decade, under the same name. I've posted reviews for the site, and sent them scoops. I defend this site from people tearing it down. I didn't say one single word to you, until you started calling me a cunt for no reason, and even then, I just sort of half-heartedly made fun of you. that is not a troll. are you so new here you don't even know what a troll is? a troll in the talkback is someone who jumps into a talkback and simply spews hate for the topic at hand, without engaging in meaningful discussion. in rare occasions, it's used to describe someone who spews insults without actually addressing anything in particular. <p>either way, even if I've been insulting, I've done so because I am legitimately angry at this type of misguided, self-entitled "AICN doesn't cater to my every whim" commentary that Damage was spewing earlier. (notice, as I pointed out to him, he still has no reasonable explanation as to why AICN ought to notify us of fake fan sites within the hour of their release) so if I'm mad, I might throw insults, but in service of my POINT. you sir, have no point, at least as it relates to me. you're just calling me names over and over. so keep it up, if you like, but unfortunately you've spilled over into Damage Inc. now. and now he's throwing around insults as a substitution for actually defending his silly original accusations.<p>so anyway, why don't you just keep insulting away, if you like, but no offense, I'm jsut going to ignore them. <p>if Damage_Inc wants to discuss the idea of AICN entitlement, I'm game, but kids calling me a "cunt" that were 5 when I started coming to AICN, that's a little too silly to keep wasting time on. you're lucky I'm waiting for video to render in FinalCut, so I had time to give you all this attention, actually. but not any more, ok kiddo?

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 12:41 a.m. CST

    I meant Bass Bastardson

    by Damage_Inc

    That was a long time ago. I figured that's what happened. Was Ray Stevenson good at least?

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Amended: Catherine Hardwicke's Work On Twilight!!! Hire Joss

    by Media Messiah

    Joss Whedon would have kicked some serious ass on Twilight, and not just because Twilight is a direct rip-off of Buffy...but parts of Twilight became self parody, something Joss would have steered it away from, and onto something emotionally enthralling, an entertainment one could admire and feel challenged by!!! <BR><BR> In the film, one male vampire constantly looks like he has gas, and another looks like he is constipated throughout the film, and I never voiced that, but I thought it as I was watching the movie, and I am seeing reviews from women who are saying this about the film, openly. Also I noticed, there were only two laughs in the movie, other than that, the audience that I saw the movie with was largely bored...and young women in the audience started checking their texting devices right after the embarrassing baseball scene. There was no evidence of audience participation or enjoyment, save for those two laughs at the expense of Bella's father. <BR><BR> Also the film needed to move faster, but failed to. As well, other sequences featuring Bella's parents, save for a few, should have been cut. We were seeing entirely too much of Mom and Dad in the film, again slowing the movie's pace greatly? In addition, the film needed some nice action sequences, and yet, we only got somewhat of a single...and slow moving action sequence toward the end of the film? The director had no understanding of proper flow for such a film, in terms of pacing and in terms of keeping the audience's interest up...as well as tapping into their emotions and involving them, vicariously. I suspect that she doesn't understand genre fair, because she doesn't like it, and you don't want someone directing material that they don't understand and or respect!!! <BR><BR> Back to the audience. No one seemed to be scared or spooked in the audience I was with. There were no screams, no claps of approval, nothing??? The film just played flat...save for the lead actress...who stole every scene she was in. That girl is something special...and is the only real special effect in this film. <BR><BR> I talked to a girl on another web sight about Twilight, and she said the book was better. She also pointed out that maybe fans of the book were not that moved because they already knew what to expect by having previously read the book. I agreed, but I told her, the director, if truly skilled, would have added sequences to the film that were positioned to surprised and thrill the fans of the book, and even new audiences...sequences that would not change the story, but would add unexpected action, thrills, suspense and scares, in order to keep the audience on their toes and engaged in the onscreen proceedings. I suggested something like, well, the sequence where Bella and Edward are standing on the top of the huge tree, wouldn't it be cool if Edward lost his grip on Bella, and she fell, perilously hitting tree branches as she tumbled downward toward certain death, Edward, helplessly looking on. Suddenly, pow, he appears underneath her, a hundred feet off the ground. Grabbing her safely in his arms, the two fall the rest of the way to the ground below. Bella...saved from the scary incident, thanks to Edward's heroics. It is moments like that which this film needed, moments that would not change the story, but would add some much needed energy and sense of wonder, and suspense to the film. Or, wouldn't it have been cool to see Edward flee the villainous vampire from tree top to tree top with Bella on his back...or in reverse, save her from the villain who has kidnapped her in such a way? I mean, why even introduce the moments with Edward and Bella standing on the tree tops unless they were going to play a greater role later in the movie--like showing us what Edward could do in a thrilling action fight in defense of Bella??? <BR><BR> Oh, what Joss Whedon could have done with this material just boggles the mind???!!! He could have elevated it to visual, written, and acted poetry. The guy has an eye...and an understanding how to move his audience, and he is a damn good director at that!!! Why they didn't hire him, I will never know???!!! He could have made this 37 million dollar budget, look and feel like 80 million dollars, or at least 67.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 12:48 a.m. CST

    And the Penguin site is clever....

    by Kevin Bosch

    ... I never said it wasn't. What I said was that the quality of the site design was nowhere near up to standard for it to be confused as official. Not only that, even if it was the most professionally made fan-made site ever, it's still to early to conceive of WB deciding to start a marketing campaign. Hell, they're still trying to promote the TDK DVDs/Blu-Ray and the re-release next year. But the content of the (fake, obviously fan made) site was cute and actually made me consider that Penguin could make a good arms dealer or corporate rival to Wayne. Maybe if the site itself was up to par (like the Batman 3/Riddler poster) then i can see Harry posting an article about it on the front page, but you can't get made for him NOT posting it. Especially if it's not real.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 1:02 a.m. CST

    All that to say...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Summitt wants to pump out a cheap, quick piece of shit as soon as possible and Hardwicke has delusions that she is somehow responsible for the success and wants to make a real film.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 1:11 a.m. CST

    I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    Is the Hurt Locker getting bad or good reviews? Isn't it, like, really old now? What happened to it? And for Hardwicke...well, what did she expect. They could have hired literally ANYONE and it would have been a giant success. As it stands it was a fucking terrible movie and the kids loved it. Like a SAW flick you could put a wooden dummy in charge. She should have been happy just to cash another pay cheque. If she wanted to do something more meaningful or worthwhile, I'm sure the giant opening weekend will give her some clout to move onto a real project. I personally wish she would stay in this territory though, because shes a terrible director, her only bright spot being some jail bait g string slippage.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Joss...

    by Kevin Bosch

    ...would not work for this film. Both in the sense that he would REFUSE to work on this film, and also in that, if he were to, he'd be in conflict with the studio and author when he tries to rewrite, from scratch, the entirety of the ridiculous, asinine narrative. I still think Hardwicke has been bumped because she wanted more control and changes to the story and characters. Of course some fan girl is going to say the book was better; they love their fucking book. But everything wrong with this movie came from the book. And you can tell this was the kind of property where any director would be forced to follow very specifically what the producers and author wanted. I'm sure Hardwicke would have loved to change this movie in a thousand different ways to make it a thousand times better, but her hands were most likely tied. The book is just stupid and badly written, and so is the script, and thus so is the movie. When I found out i was being dragged to it, i read the Wikipedia synopsis just to know what it was all about. When I read the part that, after being attacked, the girl just leaves Washington and goes to Arizona, i thought "Way to go Wikipedia, making everything sound so simplistic." But thats how it was, in the movie.... she just, all of the sudden, goes to Arizona. That is just such lazy, lazy writing, and any filmmaker would have altered it within their power, and obviously Hardwicke didn't have that power. All the problems with the movie lie in the book, and the studio didn't want any surprises in the movie. They wanted the movie to be just like the book: tame, with no surprises or real conflict, and safe.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Why are you fantasy hiring TALENTED people...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...For this project? In what imaginable way would Joss Whedon be suited for this? Because he made buffy? Bigelow did Vampires and she has a vagina? The sort of directors you should be looking at for this muck are David Hackl or P.J. Pesce or maybe Renny Harlin if he's really desperate.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Damage_Inc

    by Bass Bastardson

    Ray Stephenson should have been great - his performance is fine, although he's given nothing to do - but the movie is so god awful he just get's dragged down with it. I would liken it to Batman and Robin in that George Clooney should have been a great Batman, but he was in the absolute worst Batman film possible and therefore he sucked. And I aint joking around with the Batman and Robin comparison - that is how bad this movie is. Oh, and also, Lexi Alexander seems to have picked up Joel Schumacher's taste for dressing everything in neon lights.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Its funny about The Punisher.

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    As a film, the concept is so simple to execute it should be near impossible to fuck it up, and yet three times in a row they have managed to turn out a piece of shit. I mean, if you can't make a film more serviceable than a Charles Bronson vehicle with those ingredients, you could just be lazy and fall back on filming the comic books. It takes a special kind of retarded to do what these low budget money laundering studios manage to do. Wasn't the first one a Golan Globus deal?

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Oh please - the producers were expecting...

    by AnnoyYou

    ...Batman-levels of coin, and when it lost more than half its revenue the week after it opened they had to find a scapegoat. Sure, they made their money back, but I'll bet they were hoping for a lot more than that. And does anyone really think Meyer has the sort of control over these films that J.K. Rowling does over the HP films? She wishes! The bottom line is: Hardwick's film didn't make them enough money - they want someone who will. The problem is, the source material is so bad I doubt anyone can make it better (especially when the leads have both gone on record to say the books are shite). They can get a new director and tart it up like the Underworld series, but even that is better than the dreck that are the Twilight books, and in the end most of the moviegoing public knows this.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 1:45 a.m. CST

    AnnoyYou

    by Kevin Bosch

    Do you have a source of where the actors said that about the books? Not questioning you... i'd just like to read that and laugh and then pass it onto some other people.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 1:54 a.m. CST

    No one good should work on this Mormon propaganda

    by reflecto

    Fuck that.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 3:18 a.m. CST

    Kathryn Bigelow

    by kwisatzhaderach

    would never direct trash like this.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 3:21 a.m. CST

    WHy does anyone give a shit about this?

    by Lost Jarv

    What the fuck. <P>I think Annoy you is right. They thought that they had a billion dollar franchise. They don't.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 3:29 a.m. CST

    AnnoyYou....even with advertising

    by bacci40

    the budget for the film did not go above 50 mil....2 weeks in has made close to 140 mil...the drop was 50 percent...not great, but avg...no way was this gonna turn batman numbers...teen boys wont touch it, unless the gf forces them to go and offers a bj right after...for a niche film, it did well...the rest of the series will not gain added audience, but will continue to bring in good money...if the suits want blockbuster, they had better look elsewhere

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 3:38 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by MattmanReturns

    Here's why we care: I think most of the people on this talkback who saw Twilight probably got dragged to it by a chick, and will thus get dragged to New Moon. And if New Moon is anywhere near as bad as Twilight was, I'm gonna slit my wrists right there in the theater.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 3:49 a.m. CST

    BullSHIT Harry

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I read your review, and I don't recall any comments about the direction being a let-down. <p> You probably felt it, but didn't want to bring down the heart fest. Which is fine, but sir... sometimes it's best to say it in the review, or we all think that you're retconning established text. </p>

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 3:56 a.m. CST

    WTF is Twilight? What have I missed while I was in the crapper?

    by ricarleite

    Why is so many people caring about this shit?

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by Bloo

    You wrote "I told her, the director, if truly skilled, would have added sequences to the film that were positioned to surprised and thrill the fans of the book, and even new audiences...sequences that would not change the story, but would add unexpected action, thrills, suspense and scares"<P>ummm...isn't alot of that to do with the writer(s) and the producers? A scene like you described would be interesting visually, etc, that is where producers, writers, set designers, DPs, come in with the director to shoot something like that. It's very possible that the producers wouldn't want to put up the coin for a scene like that. you're talking even for a scene like that several days of extra filming, lighting a tree, paying a stunt woman for those extra days, caterers for those estra days, your VFX guys to rig the wiring in a tree, the SFX guys in post to correct it, costin gmore moeny and extra days of work, etc<P>What you're suggesting goes to the auter theory of filmmaking, which I have serious issues with because it doesn't take into effect the role the writers, producers, effects guys, set designers, etc have on the film.<P>On TWILIGHT, Hardwicke was given limited resources (30 million is that what I read the budget was?), probably given tight reigns by the producers on what she could film and couldn't, she was holding directing an adaption of a book with a crazy fanbase<P>I have a little sister in this age range, loves Twilight and Harry Potter, she absoutly hates, the 3rd film in the Harry Potter seris because Curon did exactly what you suggested, changed a lot of things in the book while keeping the intergrity of the story. I have friends that love the Narnia stories but didn't like some of the adaptions made in the movie. Same iwth Lord of the Rings, I have a friend that still bitches that tom Bombidial was cut from the Fellowship<P>what I'm saying in all of this is that a talented director cannot always do what you said they could do because there are other factors involved

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 4:28 a.m. CST

    WhinyNegativeBitch

    by Droid

    I recall The Hurt Locker was playing festivals and getting really good reviews. I think the reviews from the Venice film fest were almost sickeningly gushing in their praise. So I'm basing my comments on that. But you are right, it should be released by now.<p>And I also agree that Twilight directors are interchangable. That still doesn't mean Hardwicke shouldn't feel slighted IF she's been dumped by Summit for no good reason.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 4:31 a.m. CST

    They did have a "good" reason.

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    She wants to do more with the film than they are willing to invest. It's a quickie franchise, and she probably wanted to fly off to Italy to shoot the sequal. It's certainly not a fair or just reason, but she's dealing with a bottom feeding cash machine, not really a great work of art. Googling it, I'm guessing the whole war subject is basically keeping the hurt locker in limbo.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Alfonso Cuarón ...

    by VoldemortWearsPrada

    ... should not be wasting his time on this preppy crap. He should be kicking aside that mediocre what's-his-name who did the last Harry Potter and taking the helm of Deathly Hallows. WHERE HE BELONGS.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Hi, Bloo: This Film Had Major Problems Behind The Scenes

    by Media Messiah

    Yes, you may be right about this production, but there are now allegations that the DP Ghost directed the film after the director began acting erratically on set. Now, I know budgets, as I grew-up on sets, and I dearly wanted to be a special effects man (I'm a book student of the latter)...and I can tell you Twilight doesn't look like 37 million dollars on screen to me--no, it appears like a lot less money for what we eventually got. The miracles that Joss Whedon was able to do with Buffy still astound. Look at the last episode of the show, and there is one shot that looks like the Lord Of The Rings in terms of scope, I'n not kidding!!! Now, how could Joss Whedon do that on a tv budget for a largely low-rated show on a shoe-string budgeted 5th network??? Well, a skilled director who knows special effects and action has been through the learning curve and knows how to save a buck...and spare budget over-runs to said production. Those that don't have that experience or knowledge of the do's and don'ts, tend to break the bank. For instance, they could have shot this movie with a Red (Digital) Camera (The Red One) and saved a bundle of money, but they didn't???!!!<BR><BR>And yes, you are right, when changes are made in a film adaptation, it can make one angry...but I figure an addition of action, here...or there, if it doesn't change the overall story...and is necessary to save the film, should be welcome...and the film would be all the better for it. I'm telling you, I was shocked to see young women checking their texting devices as the film played in it third act, they were visibly bored. I have never seen anything like it before, ever???<BR><BR> As for the director, I just read that the film editor, like the director, a woman, had to save the film in the editing stage. If not for her and the DP, this film would have been an out, and out...mess, they are saying. Yes, the execs and producers call the ultimate shots on a set, but this director was hired to give this film a certain voice, that of Thirteen, so the "Auteur Theory" was present here, but her work apparently did not impress, so the studio intervened to save the film, or what they could save of of it. Some may recall, the studio ordered major reshoots during the filming? I mean, the film dropped 40 percent from Friday to Saturday, on its opening weekend because of bad word of mouth and bad reviews coming from the Friday night audience, as well...the Box Office sank because many ticket buyers did not come back for repeat viewings, nor did they bring their friends, or family members, etc., back with them for said repeat viewings; the hallmark of a film that is truly loved, is when people start dragging their loved ones to see a movie that they love, and or, adore...back to the theatre with them--and that didn't happen here, largely--if we check the numbers, that is--suggesting major disappointment by Twilight fans, whom I have heard are now furious!!!<BR><BR>I think the studio did some research with audience members at theatre exit doors and concluded that the director's work did not connect with most of the audience. It was clear to me, that she was trying to make a vague underground independent style film, one with ratings limitations, but the advanced hype and commercials, promised the fans an epic fantasy film on par with Harry Potter, and that bait and switch tactic has hurt the movie...and perhaps, any future sequels.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Read The Story On Nikki Finke's Web Site

    by Media Messiah

    Here is the web site, you can cut and paste it, but if you see a space in the address...as you may see, just remove the space...and hit enter on your web navigator...or just look-up Nikki Finke via a web search and go to her web site...Nikki Finke's Deadline Hollywood Daily. http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Not disappointed

    by beelkay

    I think she did an okay job with "Twilight", but I have a feeling a lot of things could have been done better with a more visionary, passionate director, a la Peter Jackson with the Lord of the Rings books/movies.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 6:18 a.m. CST

    Whuh?

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    If they wanted the vibe of Thirteen for Twilight, then the producers are idiots.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 6:23 a.m. CST

    You're right about Joss Media

    by Bloo

    he could do amazing things on probably a quarter of what Hardwicke had to play with, with a much more talented cast<P>I haven't seen the movie, but I have some friends (one a Twilight [book] fan, the other her husband) who enjoyed the film, she's seen it 2 or 3 times now, he enjoyed the movie much more then the book, but to me the whole thing looks cheap<P>I didn't hear about behind the scenes problems, but I did hear about similar things withHardwicke's The Navity Story, can't remember where I read about it, but I did, so it doesn't really surprise me. I think she, as a director, has actually decreased in talent since thirteen.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Hello Bloo

    by Media Messiah

    Some people are posting on Nikke Finke's site that Hardwicke has had troubles on all of her movies as far as being hard to work with, especially on Nativity Story. Seems that even some of her casts don't like her, gender notwithstanding? I only saw a part of Thirteen, and I never saw Navity Story, etc., so I can't judge the quality of her past efforts...but I will tell you, the audience that I saw the film with...well, all the men were very patient...but the ladies started to get restless, and seemed to want to be elsewhere. The lead actress was great though, as I said...and I see many great things for her, if she keeps her nose clean.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 7:12 a.m. CST

    of course

    by Bloo

    no matter what t his movie was going to make it's money back on opening weekend, unlike say, Eragon, which required serious cgi work, created from scratch costumes, and high salaried actors. I'm trying to figure out where 37 Million went to,

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 7:34 a.m. CST

    When I said why should we care

    by Lost Jarv

    I should have said "Why is Harry endlessly pimping this dreck that is as cool as magma?" <P>Who fucking cares about it, here?

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Milk May be the most important Civil Rights

    by Samuel Fulmer

    film of this decade, but it's obvious that behind the camera, Hollywood still treats women and minority groups like second class citizens. If the director was a man, I bet she'd be signed up for all the sequels in a heartbeat after how much Twilight has made.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Bring in Mimi Leder!

    by Pants!

    No this series doesn't HAVE to be directed by a woman, but the director of Deep Impact would be a fine fit. Other choices: Robert Zemeckis (thinking about "Contact") and of course Joss would rock though this isn't really his universe.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Hey, Bloo--Yep, Exactly!!!

    by Media Messiah

    Eragon, probably should have used a combination of effects techniques from puppets...ala go-motion, to computer effects, models, make-effects ala animatronics, and so on, and so forth. As far as the costumes, although I haven't seen the movie, I saw clips, and it looked cheap, they could have rented pre-existing costumes and saved on the budget. Also, location shooting via practicals effects, meaning live, would have done wonders for the film, but no...they went the full CGI route, which looks horrible. According to the more skilled directors like Roland Emmerich, CGI should only be used on shots that are far away or establishing shots, but for close-ups, they prefer animatronics, realistic puppets, and models, as the human eye tends to see them as real, or close to real...as opposed to CGI, which often looks like a video game. At present, the human eye, and brain, can still spots them as fake. Even Spielberg used a combination of technques for Jurassic Park, not just CGI. Much of the T-Rex stuff was a giant animatronic puppet/robot, as built by Stan Winston and crew.<BR><BR>Another rule, according to James Cameron, never build expensive sets if they are only going to be used for brief shots. Models or real location shots are preferable...say...in the case of Eragon, they could have shot the film on location at real stone structures, ala still standing ancient castles using forced perspective and saved a mint. Inexperienced directors don't know these tricks, and special effects crews aren't going to tell them how to save money on shots, as they earn their money through gouging!!!

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Amended: Hey, Bloo--Yep, Exactly!!!

    by Media Messiah

    Eragon, probably should have used a combination of effects techniques from puppets...ala go-motion, to computer effects, models, make-up effects ala animatronics, and so on, and so forth. As far as the costumes, although I haven't seen the movie, I saw clips, and it looked cheap, they could have rented pre-existing costumes and saved on the budget. Also, location shooting via practical effects, meaning live, would have done wonders for the film, but no...they went the full CGI route, which looks horrible. According to the more skilled directors like Roland Emmerich, CGI should only be used on shots that are far away from the camera, or establishing shots, but for close-ups, they prefer animatronics, realistic puppets, and models, as the human eye tends to see them as real, or close to real...as opposed to CGI, which often looks like a video game. At present, the human eye, and brain, can still spot them as fake. Even Spielberg used a combination of techinques for Jurassic Park, not just CGI. Much of the T-Rex stuff was a giant animatronic puppet/robot, as built by Stan Winston and crew. <BR><BR> Another rule, according to James Cameron, never build expensive sets if they are only going to be used for brief shots. Models or real location shots are preferable...say...in the case of Eragon, they could have shot the film on location at real stone structures, ala still standing ancient castles using forced perspective, etc, and saved a mint. Inexperienced directors don't know these tricks, and special effects crews aren't going to tell them how to save money on shots, as they earn their money through gouging!!!

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 9:13 a.m. CST

    So.....EVERYONE is replaceable......

    by j2talk

    why should a director automatically be brought back?

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    What a load of shite

    by masteryoda007

    Yeah fuck civil rights!

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 11:15 a.m. CST

    If Joss Whedon is so great with small budgets...

    by Bass Bastardson

    Then why did Serenity look like shit?

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Joss Whedon should work on "Buffy" and let this shit FAIL...

    by Mr. Profit

    Fuck "Twilight". Why is the lead girl mumbling in the trailers. The way she says "Vampire" is so odd. Anyhow, why even suggest another female director. It's not like a guy can't tap into what makes young girls happy. Cameron did that with Titanic. I wouldn't even let a "Name" director touch this. They should get someone like Marcus Nispel to direct it. At least it will have a "Look" to it, instead of it looking like a stupid CW pilot.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    OH NOES DON'T FIRE THE SHITTY DIRECTOR FROM THE SHITTY MOVIE

    by MattyBoomStar

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST

    It's a damn shame...

    by Archive

    ...that zeitgeist is more important to Summit than filmmaking. While I haven't seen the film or read the books myself, they expect to get a film out in less than a year? Even Brett Ratner wouldn't take this job! Summit, if you go this route, this will burn the fans. The third film will be your last, and the second will spend all your good will.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST

    I'm with Harry on this one

    by jupstin

    I saw this with my wife last night, and I actually liked it. Sure, there were some parts that were cringe-worthy, but the cast was pretty great, and I loved the interactions between Bella and Edward. I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but I might even read New Moon...

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Bloo, that's interesting re HP

    by bellwether

    I read the Potter series, and thought 3 was the best book (the first two were fun kid's books, the later ones tried to be more than they were and failed badly, but 3 hit the sweet spot). Azkaban's also the only one I think is a really good film - it looks fantastic, Cuaron brought out good performances, and it's full of interesting motifs. Whereas the others I wouldn't bother watching twice. Clearly I am not the target demographic, but I only wish they'd done to the other adaptions what Cuaron did to Azkaban. Re Twilight, it's barely registering in the UK, thankfully.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Alice 13

    by kbass

    Yes...werewolves play hoops. See "Teen Wolf."

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    New Moon!!!

    by Archive

    You left her standing alone... Without a care in her heart... Without a song of her own...

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Silly moo is a donut

    by Kizeesh

    She gave an interview in the metro today spouting about how she was changing the face of hollywood by directing this film.<p> Silly silly moo.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Can't polish a fresh turd.

    by Dingbatty

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 4:18 p.m. CST

    If its true that she had 37 million dollars to play with...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Then she needs to be sacked. That film looked like it cost around 10-15. You are right about a double standard though. If any male had made the films hardwicke has, he wouldn't have been offered an automatic cash machine like Twilight.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    My Picks for Director

    by zooch

    I hated the direction of Twilight as well. Also, give these films the budget they require. My picks for director; Mike Newell (Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire) or Nick Cassavetes (The Notebook).

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    I read the book

    by zooch

    I didn't expect it to be better than the book, but I thought it easily could have been as good as the latest Potter film. I thought the direction was amateurish, and the special effects low budget. I liked the look of the film and the casting, and apparently Hardwicke was not responsible for either. We need a good genre director in there, someone who can handle both romance and action.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 6:02 p.m. CST

    I'm no TWILIGHT fan or teenage girl, but too bad for Hardwicke.

    by Orbots Commander

    Summit showed crap loyalty to the director who brought them to the big dance; then again, I guess this proves that there's no loyalty in Hollywood. Somehow the studio is under the severe delusion that they ever had or will ever have the potential to attract guys to see these movies. Memo to Summit: this series is a glorified Harlequin romance novel; it'll NEVER appeal to young males or adults, so quit trying.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Hi, Bass Bastardson: On Joss Whedon and Serenity!!!

    by Media Messiah

    Joss started splurging on Serenity, taking extra time to get shots, and many extra takes, and that costs serious money to do that--something they don't do in tv. As well, he was using one of the most expensive DP's in Hollywood...and chose to shoot the film in LA to prove that films can still be shot on budget in Hollywood without leaving town. He shot the film for 37 million dollars and came in 2 to 3 million dollars under budget. <BR><BR>I agree with you that the film could have looked better, like the bar scene, where he should have used the extra money he saved elsewhere to green screen much of the bar (or just shot it on location in a real, more spacious bar)...as well, the planet scenes should have looked more expensive. However, as you know, it costs much more money to do a space based film, thanks to the vast special effects requirements, and for what it was, it looks more handsome than Twilight...again, at the same budget...and Twilight was largely a chick flick talker with next to zero action and very little special effects???<BR><BR>Would I have done things differently with regard to Serenity if I was Joss Whedon??? Yes!!! I would have shot the film on digital for one thing, saving a lot of money there, alone...and I would have moved the film out of LA and away from the Universal backlot to save on cash. Joss stayed in town because he wanted to be close to his family, and I can't say I blame him for that bit of selfishly, selfless splurging!!! Sometimes family comes first, or at least, they should when, and if, you can afford it...and apparently, he could afford it???!!!

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Archive, re: New Moon

    by necgray

    Werewolf David should come along and eat Bella. Then ghost Jack can taunt Edward for eternity.

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Make more vampire movies

    by raidahguy

    just no more of this flowery shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dec. 8, 2008, 10:37 p.m. CST

    LOVE BIGELOW - BUT NOT IN THIS

    by Mullah Omar

    Bigelow has no business directing a chick flick. Give her some crazy action to orchestrate. This franchise would be a waste of her time.

  • Dec. 9, 2008, 1 a.m. CST

    Nick Cassavetes

    by Bloo

    now there is an interesting, and out of the blue, choice for a director, but I like it.

  • Dec. 9, 2008, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Nick Cassavetes...Is A Great Director! Great Suggestion!!!

    by Media Messiah

    Bloo, although I haven't read your post yet, I assume you are suggesting that Nick Cassavetes be choosen to direct the Twilight sequel...and if that is the case, I have to say...judging by his work on The Note Book, the guy is a spectacular and inspired choice!!! The Note Book is a brilliant, brilliant film...and the desperation and passion expressed in that romance was powerful to behold, one could really feel it...and relate to the pain, love and joy those characters were experiencing!!! I felt like I was living it. Twilight could use that kind of emotion.

  • Dec. 9, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    when my girlfriend explained new moon to me...

    by Luke902

    ...it sounded like a joke. she didn't like the film (thank God).

  • Dec. 9, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    New Moon will suck every bit as hard as Twilight.

    by stickmangrit

    the source material is shit, plain and simple. and i'm willing to bet money that whilst she may not have Rowling/Potter levels of influence, Meyers strikes me as the kind of crazy bitch that would publicly trash the movie if it didn't meet her batshit standards and drive away the hardcore fans(you know, the only people who bothered to buy tickets).<br> <br> this means that nobody with talent is going to touch it with a ten foot pole due to complete lack of creative freedom, and whoever does get it is going to have to stick word-for-word to Meyers' plotless fantasy about how she subconsciously wants fuck Joseph Smith. there is no hope for this franchise, and i feel for all you poor saps who get dragged into the next one.

  • Dec. 10, 2008, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Chris Weitz ...

    by VoldemortWearsPrada

    ... is now the rumoured frontrunner. Guess that means no Golden Compass sequels.

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