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AICN has Exclusive CHE Roadshow Poster! - Trailer is here too!

Hey folks, Harry here... I can't say enough how much I'm in love with the fact that IFC has put together a 5+ hour Roadshow Epic Event for one of the most beloved hated men in all of modern history. CHE represents the revolutionary spirit of many of the oppressed people that wish to be free. He is also a murderer and ruthless killer. He was a poet, a writer and unquestionably charismatic. And his life is absolutely fitting for an epic. That said, it will be an epic that will polarize audiences. But that's what a film on the life of CHE should do. It must polarize. It must create arguments, spur discussions of ideas and thoughts. The film must get into your face and scream at you. It is with that spirit that I'm dying to see this epic release!



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  • Dec. 3, 2008, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Dr Gonzo

    by Saint Andeol

    is a badass no matter what he's doing. i'll be interested to see this flick, never knew much about Che in the first place.

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 2:19 p.m. CST

    FIRST BITCHES!

    by Jaffa8

    ah who cares...about that or the poster

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 2:19 p.m. CST

    2nd...

    by Jaffa8

    oh well...LOL

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST

    That promo poster...

    by The Eskimo

    ...looks kind of weird with the title and all centered right on Del Toro's crotch.

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Bencio Del Toro as Catwoman

    by RexGattling

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Regarding the movie...

    by The Eskimo

    ...Che was definitely a revolutionary figure, especially post mortem (and he looks good on a t-shirt) but in real life he was a ruthless killer and was fighting more for his own gain than the oppressed. I hope this film gives us an objective and accurate story, and portrays Che the man, rather than the myth. No need to put this guy on a pedestal he doesn't deserve like they did with Blow.

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    that poster looks like it's missing...

    by vaudeville villain

    Sunday, 9pm. Only on HBO.

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Let the games begin.

    by HoboCode

    Come on anti-socialist zealots. I know you're out there!

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Whatever

    by superzario

    I'm betting that this movie will only do one thing. Show this murderous monster to be the misunderstood hero that he really was. Thats what hollywood does best. I doubt this movie will show more than 5 minutes of him in a bad light.

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    he's looking down at

    by ArcadianDS

    the bloody bodies of men women and children who didn't think he was the right man to be dubbed King Of Cuba.

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 3 p.m. CST

    I wonder

    by superzario

    I wonder if Harry would be as excited to see a movie about Joseph McCarthy That told a more conservative story. I don't know for a fact that this will be typical Hollywood fair, but all things considered, I would be shocked to see a realistic story told here.

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Anyone having sound issues with the trailer?

    by eric haislar

    Any one?

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    cool trailer

    by kwisatzhaderach

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST

    They need to include Che by Suicide on the soundtrack

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Or, even better, Love Song For Che Guevara by The United States of America.<p> Anyway, looking forward to some epic, Farenheit 9/11-style talkbacks to this one.<p>

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    What he's thinking: "Why is there a red star on my penis?"

    by JimCurry

    "I'm going to shoot God for this.."

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Love the talkbacks for this movie.

    by CorpseRide

    This one is already a case in point. The trailer features him being denounced as a murderer and terrorist, him announcing that he has sanctioned executions, and ends with him effectively asking the audience exactly what he is a symbol of, followed by a long ominous pause.<p> Then, there is a slow stream of people in the TB saying reasonable things like 'i hope this movie shows how he could have been an inspiration to the oppressed and downtrodden everywhere, and yet a violent killer of innocents at the same time.'</P> And then... wait, here they come... the guys saying "hey, he was a KILLER! I bet you won't see THAT in this LIBERAL HOLLYWOOD MOVIE".<p> Those guys are hillarious.

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Seems alot like Vincent Chase's "Medellin" project

    by Outlaw

    But this does look quite the awesome.

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 4 p.m. CST

    Wow what a hero. A rebel. A murderer!

    by Orionsangels

    The Gringo's fairytale version of El Che. Oh wonderful.

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 4 p.m. CST

    This is all about the quest for freedom...

    by Regenhund

    of the star-bellied sneetches, right? I'm on board with that. Loves me that Comrade Suess action.

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 4:45 p.m. CST

    I'm praying this doesn't play at BNAT.

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    Not that I don't want to watch it, or that I have any problem with the director, star or subject matter. I just think it would be a looooong sit for 24 hour film festival and would cut back on the number of other films that could play. I guess this post popping up at the same time as the other new BNAT post, along with Harry's passionate pitch for it, makes me think it might be a candidate.

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Don't be a DouCHE

    by SaintDilbert

    Don't need a movie about that DouCHE bag.

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 5:12 p.m. CST

    A brilliant, inspirational revolutionary...a truly great man.

    by BurnHollywood

    Ha, ha...I just made a bunch of conservative dopes wet their pants in rage.<p> Tell the truth...you bought that fucking Che "Communism killed 100 zillion people and all I got was this lousy" T-shirt and you get a heavy jelly every time you boldly wear it into the local coffee shop. Don't you? DON'T YOU?!

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 5:27 p.m. CST

    How come they didn't translate the title of the movie?

    by torpor_haze

  • Five hours of people sitting around and talking about battle strategies, with an occasional gunfight in which the filmmaker's completely fail to humanize Che or portray him as the least bit interesting, instead romanticizing him as a cardboard cutout.

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 8:27 p.m. CST

    a leader that's killed directly or indirectly?

    by noiretblanc

    metaphorically or literally? that's a first

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Red Zone Cuba 2: Che

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    "Yes, that's *really* Castro..."

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    I'm just saying...

    by The Eskimo

    ...that what Che NOW stands for doesn't necessarily reflect what he DID while alive. But that's OK. That's history. The Bush Admin will have the same perspective problem in the history books, for better or worse suppose.

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Wow, I just had an idea...

    by The Eskimo

    ...is there a Busted Tees shirt with a silouhette of GW remeniscent of the Che shirts? i know Obama has one. Why not GW? That would work on soooo many levels.

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 11:28 p.m. CST

    HoboCode just curious

    by StraightToHell

    Have you ever lived in a socialist society or country? Have you ever experienced first hand what those regimes are like and what they do to the people? There has never EVER in human history been a socialist regime that worked and that allowed people to enjoy their life and flourish. In know it's a lot of fun to say how awesome Cuba is and how much Castro did for his people, but the only problem with this line of thinking then is why are there people trying to escape from this socialist paradise? There are people who risk their lives, and indeed die, escaping from Cuba into US. Why were there people runing for their lives when USSR finaly allowed them to in 70s and 80s and 90s? That mass exodus from USSR happened because socialism was so fucking awesome??? Right? Communism is a fucking God send and that's why every country that ever practiced it had people leaving in droves because that is not a system under which anyone in their right mind would want to live. See, it's kind of hard to be all smart and flippant when you have cold hard facts like this to deal with. Have you ever seen pictures of what like is line in North Korea? NYC in the 70s seems like paradise in comparison. Socialism and Communism are pure horror and anybody who perpertrates it on people is a monster.

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 11:31 p.m. CST

    and fuck spelling errors!

    by StraightToHell

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Having said that

    by StraightToHell

    I can't wait to see Che. Looks like a quality film from a great director. Del Toro is incredible and the footage of him in the role looks so much like the real Che it's uncanny.

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 11:51 p.m. CST

    I loved the Motorcycle Diaries...

    by Dogmatic

    but that was really my first exposure to Che other than a very base understanding of his place in history...and that movie really makes you like the guy. But of course then I learned that that wasnt the most accurate take of his demeanor though an accurate take on facts and character. <p> After having read a biography book on him now...I am excited for this film as a great character study that will present Che in the most honest light possible since Soderburgh is good at that and then folks can make their own judgments. <p> I think he was a brilliant man far outshining that moron Castro in both intelligence and military strategy with a genuine love for the freedom of man....who totally and completely carried out his ideas in all the wrong ways. 'Nuff said.

  • Dec. 3, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Joseph McCarthy...

    by HEADGEEK

    I'd be fascinated to see a conservative leaning biopic of his life that justified or attempted to justify his actions. I really really would. I like fairy tales.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Ah, fairytales...

    by The Eskimo

    ...like WMDs.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Or the ghost in 3 Men & a Baby

    by The Eskimo

    just sayin

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 12:16 a.m. CST

    A PBS "Antiques Roadshow" movie would be awesome

    by MurderMostFowl

    In a world where some have abandoned hope, 3 octogenarians set out to prove that life... is more... that what it seems. <BR>Appraiser #1: "Typical late 19th century pattern on this rug... normally I'd say this was worth $200. <BR>Old Johnny: oww.. dang.. I paid about $10 for it as a present for my niece. She never took it so I left it on my back porch." <BR>Appraiser #1 "tut tut tut! I didn't say I was finished!<BR> This rug you kept on your back porch was formerly owned by Abraham Lincoln, and has droplets of his blood on it with viable DNA!" <BR>Old Johnny: "Well I'll be!" <BR>A #1: "And it has a map to a secret tomb encoded in the WEAVE!" <BR>Ol' Johnny: "Fuckin' A!"

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 12:23 a.m. CST

    "Antiques Road Show:...

    by The Eskimo

    ...Rise of the Confederate Quilters." This is a follow up prequel that explains exactly how holding onto garbage for 200 years can make you an easy $10,000 bucks. Fans are upset when Christian Bale does not reprise his role as Mama Inseem. AICN talkbackers are outraged!

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 12:25 a.m. CST

    "AntIIIqes Roadshow:...

    by The Eskimo

    How the Mighty Have Fallen" Starring Dennis Quaid.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 12:26 a.m. CST

    K...I'm done

    by The Eskimo

    Thanks murder. Made my night.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 12:32 a.m. CST

    After watching that trailer...

    by MurderMostFowl

    When the woman says "How does it feel to be a symbol?" and Del Toro replies " a symbol of what?"<BR> I couldn't help but think he should say "A symbol of what-thhee-fuuuuuck" with that ol' Fenster charm. <BR> Tell me I'm not the only one.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Thanks Eskimo I try

    by MurderMostFowl

    I'm always late to the talkbacks, but I try my best :)

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Del Toro is too fat

    by disfigurehead

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 1:08 a.m. CST

    And I agree that the red titles

    by StraightToHell

    over del Toro's groin are really awkward. Somebody has to redo the poster. It looks like shit. And it does look like something that you see for an HBO or Showtime movie. Is this the best they could do?

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 1:17 a.m. CST

    and Harry, have you ever read

    by StraightToHell

    the actual hearing transcripts from McCarthy's hearings? Have you read anything other than what Hollywood told you to read on McCarthy? Have you read anything about the Venona project? have you read books and KGBs declassified files that show most of the people McCarthy was after as being paid agents of KGB, who stole Top Secret info from the US government? When the very government who we were at wat with at that time admits that many of the people McCarthy went after in his hearings indeed WERE spying for KGB, doesn't that kind of show that most of the people who criticize McCarthy for being a nut just don't know what the fuck they are talking about? Maybe you should stop getting all of your news from movies and biased media and just try to study history and facts before you make an ass out of yourself yet again.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 1:19 a.m. CST

    and that should say

    by StraightToHell

    books and KGBs declassified files that show that most of the people McCarthy was after as being paid agents of KGB, who stole Top Secret info from the US government, really were paid agents of KGB

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 1:25 a.m. CST

    So does this take off after Motocycle Diaries ends?

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    Not that there isn't enough post youth material to make a 5 hour movie anyway. I still don't get the hatred for Che. Unless your a Latin American directly affected by his political, um, application of force, whats the big difference between him and a thousand other political figures? Sure, he's no Ghandi, but hes also no Idi Amin. Pretty mild in his use of violence to overthrow political systems or people, in relation to other revolutionaries. As for McCarthy, he was an asshole whose cure was as bad as the disease. Some would say the same about Che, I suppose, if they weren't buried in mass graves in South America.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 2:21 a.m. CST

    StraightToHell

    by boardbrtn

    I'm not educated on the subject, so take what I say with a grain of salt. Even if some of who McCarthy was hunting down actually were KGB spies, what about the other people that were not? I feel like if the government is going to attempt something that is essentially a witchhunt of sorts, they, seeing as how the US government is quite possibly the most powerful in the entire world, should be more careful about their investigations and more complete before making accusations of people as being supporters of communism. The equivalent of this would be having 10 Muslims in a room, having 3 of them being supporters of Al-Qaida and putting them all in prison. While, yes, it would be great for 3 members of Al-Qaida to be put in prison (or to death, I'm just saying), what about the 7 other men who were just like you and me, perfectly innocent, America loving, men. I feel we must all agree that this would not be fair, right?

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 3:06 a.m. CST

    boardbrtn if you look at who

    by StraightToHell

    McCarthy went after, it really wasn't the huge number of people that the media persents you with. In fact, the "naming names" that everyone accuses McCarthy of was not even his idea. He did not want to reveal the list of people he suspected of working with Communists outside of the hearings, but the press (who, for the most part, hated his guts) and most Democrats violently pressured McCarthy into revealing the names of people he believed to be working with the USSR regime. Then, of course, after he revealed who he was going after, the press made it seem like he just named names without caring of how this would affect those who might be innocent. And remember that, what mcCarthy was after wasn't really anyone who was a Communist or who sympathized with a Communist regime, but after people in government who were actually giving secret info to KGB. Now, was McCarthy an angel? Of course not. However, there is a big difference between saying that he just wanted to ruin anybody who believed in Communism (or was a party member), and that he had good intel that pointed towards the fact that USSR had many of the US government employees on its payroll (which in the end turned out to be true.)

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST

    straighttohell

    by BadMrWonka

    McCarthy killed himself at the age of 48 through alcoholism, he was censured by the senate, he blatantly lied about senate opponents, considering it a useful and acceptable tactic, and moreover his entire notoriety was predicated on exploiting the public's fear of the other, and using it to further his own career.<p>I understand that conservatives have to have their own heroes, but please don't put McCarthy on a pedestal, back another horse. the guy was as dishonest and unscrupulous as they come.<p>you wrote: "what mcCarthy was after wasn't really anyone who was a Communist or who sympathized with a Communist regime"<p>first off, he did go after people for just being near a communist, and people that had nothing to do with the government or any type of spying. that's a simple fact. he smeared Edward R. Murrow as being a communist just because Murrow exposed some of his lies!<p>but you're right that in some way, he may never have really wanted to go after them. it was just a great way to bolster his career. too bad that lying and deceit sometimes actually do receive a comeuppance. in this case, disgrace in life, and a rightful place in history as a euphemism for despicable and fallacious political attacks.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 3:30 a.m. CST

    also...

    by BadMrWonka

    from a report on this revisionist "McCarthy was actually right on" mythology that you seem to be drinking out of Anne Coulter's cup:<p>"Although there are some cases where Venona or other recent data has increased the weight of evidence against a person named by McCarthy, there are few, if any, cases where McCarthy was responsible for identifying a person, or removing a person from a sensitive government position, where later evidence has increased the likelihood that that person was a Communist or a Soviet agent."<p>that's from John Earl Haynes, an expert on political history, and most notably, soviet espionage in america in the middle part of he 20th century...

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 6 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka sweetie I

    by StraightToHell

    base my knowledge of McCarthy and the people he went after not on Coulter, but on historical record and on docs from KGB files, which clearly show many of the people McCarthy went after as being on the USSR payroll. Sorry, but fact is fact. I never said that McCarthy was an angel, but libtards should base their knowledge on more than one source, like yourself.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 6:09 a.m. CST

    and BadMrWonka

    by StraightToHell

    Venona: Decoding Soviet Espionage in America by your very own John Earl Haynes confirms that MaCarthy was right in many of his hunches in terms of the people he went after. He might have been a bit overboard in his approach, but he most certainly did ID many of the people who were later identified 100% to be working with KGB.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Can't wait for

    by casmcthorn

    Che the boomstick edition dvd to come out.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Cool!!!

    by superzario

    I started a talkback within a talkback and got the head geek to respond to me! BTW Communism use to be more than just something to kind of chuckle at. There was a time when it was a serious threat to the nations security.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Straight to Hell

    by jmyoung666

    The fact that he was a "bit" overboard was enough. The fact that people who had been members of the Communist Party in America were blacklisted because of HUAC ir=s reason enough to condemn the man. The fact that he spread lies and rumors about people is enough reason to condemn the man.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST

    StraightToHell

    by HoboCode

    Why do people want to escape from Cuba. Hmmm...the U.S. embargo that has decimated the country perhaps?

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST

    fuck...i want the antique roadshow movie

    by Westonian

    NOW

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by Raymar

    Why do people want to escape from Cuba. Hmmm...could it be that the Castro regime is brutal dictatorship perhaps?

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Brutal dictatorship?

    by HoboCode

    Is that why the people there LOVE him, Raymar? It's only the right-wing religous nuts, greedy capitalist fucks, and homosexuals that are leaving the island Raymar. I'm not saying that's a good thing, per se, but let's be serious.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Cuban Exodus - STH

    by mulberry

    Does anyone have any stats on numbers of people fleeing Cuba to the states as compare to those from other countries in Central and South America? To what extent are they fleeing communism (a different reason to those leaving non-communist states), and to what extent are they fleeing poverty and repressive governments and chasing an American Dream (probably the same reason as a lot of others)? Not sure what the numbers would reveal (also not sure how you would accurately measure).

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    HoboCode, people love(d) Hitler, too.

    by Raymar

    And Castro (and the party bigwigs)are the biggest greedy fucks on the whole island. Fact is, human rights down there are shit.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 2:01 p.m. CST

    You have no clue what you're...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ...talking about Raymar. Describing the extremely complex society that is modern Cuba in such simplistic, and I might add, largely inaccurate, terms, borders on right-wing propaganda. Do a little reading before you start flinging invective. <p> You think Bush Cheney and our congress aren't a bunch of "greedy fucks"? It's called "being a politician". <p> Do you have any concept of the level of human rights violations being perpetrated this very moment by the USA?. <p> There's a word for your last post Ray, and that word is: hypocrisy.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    But more on topic...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... Benicio Del Toro is a BADASS. I've admired his work since I first became aware of him in "The Usual Suspects". His 'Finster' is hilarious in a film with very little humour. His work in "Traffic", well, IMO he pretty much owns that film, and it's filled with fine performances. <p> Judging by this trailer, which is all I have to go on for the present, I would say that Soderbergh appears to have gone for more of a realistic portrayal of Che Guevara than a romanticised one, but we'll see.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Excuse me, "Fenster".

    by Skyway Moaters

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Hey Skyway Moaters

    by Raymar

    Do I really have to explain the difference between Cuba and the U.S. to you? If you think the Republicans are being greedy fucks, you can vote the Democrats in. You CAN'T VOTE CASTRO OUT OF OFFICE. Stupid ponce.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    He was a scum sucking killer

    by the_rising

    A commie pig who deserved to die.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Uh oh. I think Bill Ayers is in Talkback!

    by thebearovingian

    My good man, what attire did you choose for today? The Cuba baseball jersey or the Commie red star T-shirt? With or without the tweed elbow patched blazer? Diamond stud earring or small hoop?

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Popular guy, that McCarthy

    by Sgt.Steiner

    President Truman once called McCarthy, "the best asset the Kremlin has". McCarthy once went so far as to accuse George Marshall, Truman's Secretary of Defense, architect of the Marshall Plan for the post-war reconstruction of Europe, and winner of the 1953 Nobel Prize, of being part of a "conspiracy so immense and an infamy so black as to dwarf any previous venture in the history of man". Perhaps the most depicable example of his bullying was when, during his cross-examination of one General Zwicker, a WWII battlefield hero, McCarthy was not getting the answers he wanted and felt the need to liken the General's intelligence to that of a "five year old child" and stated the General was "not fit to wear that uniform". This from a guy who got injured during the war by falling from a ladder. Edward R. Murrow said the following on his show: "His primary achievement has been in confusing the public mind, as between the internal and the external threats of Communism. We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men." Of course, he was then accused by McCarthy of being a communist. In 1953, Vermont Republican Senator Ralph E. Flanders stated, ""Were the Junior Senator from Wisconsin in the pay of the Communists he could not have done a better job for them." On December 2nd, 1954, the United States Senate voted 67-22 to "condemn" McCarthy on charges of that he "failed to cooperate with the Subcommittee on Rules and Administration", "repeatedly abused the members who were trying to carry out assigned duties", and had acted contrary to senatorial ethics and tended to bring the Senate into dishonor and disrepute, to obstruct the constitutional processes of the Senate, and to impair its dignity". And when records and transcipts of from the McCarthy-chaired Senate subcommittee's closed meeting were released to the public in 2003-2004, Senators Susan Collins(R-ME) and Carl Levin(D-MI), composed the following preface: "Senator McCarthy’s zeal to uncover subversion and espionage led to disturbing excesses. His browbeating tactics destroyed careers of people who were not involved in the infiltration of our government. His freewheeling style caused both the Senate and the Subcommittee to revise the rules governing future investigations, and prompted the courts to act to protect the Constitutional rights of witnesses at Congressional hearings... These hearings are a part of our national past that we can neither afford to forget nor permit to reoccur." Venona, if anything, revealed how little McCarthy actually knew. Need we recall the lies about his war record? Or the infamous laundry list? History has proven the man to be a liar, a bully, and a chump. Harry, you want a fairy tale? Read William F. Buckley's "The Red Hunter". It's what Pal Joey would call "a real gasser".

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Hey the_rising...

    by Sgt.Steiner

    "Scum sucking killer"? You mean like Batista? Is that you, Andy Garcia?

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 4 p.m. CST

    You nailed me Ray, "stupid ponce"...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... fits me to a T.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 4:12 p.m. CST

    AND, the U.S. political duopoly...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... offers SO many excellent choices of ideology who we want to represent our interests doesn't it?

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 4:20 p.m. CST

    GGGOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    Vincent Chase is a badass

  • Looks like del toro's gonna have a hell of a year with this and the wolfman Hand me da fucking keys u cocksucka

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Will someone please compare Obama to Che?

    by Leafar the Lost

    It is not a fair comparison, but I would like to see some idiot, right-wing, Republican do that. I may actually pay money to see Che.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    StraightTohell

    by BadMrWonka

    clearly you are deluded. the entire report by Haynes is online, you can read it. it's conclusion was that McCarthy's witchhunts did little if nothing to prevent any espionage. what are you talking about?<p>you're like the moon conspiracy theorists who go, "oh you think they really landed on the moon. have you even seen this photo that shows the shadow pointing 4 degrees the wrong way from the flag? I guess not, yeah, good luck believing we landed on the moon."<p>the historical consensus, by a VAST MAJORITY, say that MCCarthy was not only deplorable in his tactics, despicable in his personal life, but completely inneficient in affecting ANY legitimate counter-espionage gains during his tenure. <p>you can disagree, but if you hold him up or defend him, you must do so on an ideological level, because I'm sorry for the facts are not on your side. <p>you can't simply say "facts are facts" and boom, QED, you've made a point. that's a child's argument tactic.<p>in fact, I'd be surprised if you believe we landed on the moon. do you?<p>)p.s. when you use the phrase "libtards", it's a little hard for anyone that wants to speak with you rationally to continue to do so...luckily I have experience working with children who think name-calling is a legitimate form of debate)

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Interesting Facts

    by Bad LT

    Che: Killed many people after castro took power - sent them to the firing squad - i am told the movie leaves out this little tid bit. Che: The CIA worked with anti-Castro Cubans to kill him. One of the present at the death of Che was CIA asset Felix Rodreguez, who boasts of killing Che, and stole his watch, which he later proudly showed to his personal friend President George HW Bush. Two buddies of Rodreguez, and Bush, Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada, blew up a civilian jet with Cubans on it, when Bush I was in charge of the CIA, and killed a bunch of little kids on it, but they said it was OK, becuase "they would have grown up to be communists". Bush II refused to prosecute or allow these terrorists to be sent overseas to be prosecuted for murder. Friends can be priceless. McCarthy: Alcoholic, morphine addict, FBI files says there were several "incidents" with small children. Started his career by defending Nazi's - accused the US of mistreating Nazi's. After Ike ws elected, changed his slogan twenty years of treason to twenty one years of treason. Used smoke screen of anti-communism to foster attacks on Democrats, moderate Republicans, Hollywood, liberals, intellectuals.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Batista

    by Bad LT

    In fairness to che, Cuban leader Batista was a fascist bastard, a murderous thug who killed dissenters and sold his country to the Mafia and US corporations. But Castro turned out to be an even bigger thug, and jailed all dissenters, including poets, musicians, gays.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Look :

    by PTSDPete

    " CHE represents the revolutionary spirit of many of the oppressed people that wish to be free. He is also a murderer and ruthless killer. " Yeah, like President George Washington. The argument against ' killing ' is really moot when you find no offense ' supporting the troops '. And how can you stage a revolution without murdering the bastards. You're ancestors took all the Redcoats and fucking killed them. Then you started on the Indians ( right down to the Iraquis , I believe ). That ain't just my feelings. It's not within any of your rights to judge this person or anyone because he takes the life of somebody. Unless you're prepared to renounce your nation and everything it stands for. What I'm saying is that there is simply ' good killing ' and ' bad killing '; and ultimately, history and the facts will decide. It would be better if the matter can be resolved with less of that stuff, but when you're thrown into a corner , what can you do ? Oh, and Castro could be worse. He could be Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo. There is a fine difference between people who killed ( often forced ) to protect the interests of their fellows; and those who kill because they can. The former would often be referred to as Heroism, the latter would be murderous psychopathy. Che Guevarra, regardless of ideologies, is a HERO. He is NOT a psychopath; much less a fricking George W. Bush. There is no debate.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Show this murderous monster to be the misunderstood hero that he

    by PTSDPete

    Like, most of Hollywood action films. So what's new. And come on : U.S. troops in Iraq. What the damn hell do you often call THOSE ?

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 11:18 p.m. CST

    the_rising

    by PTSDPete

    Would probably have no balls to say that to Che Guevarra's face ( were he alive today ). Castro's still alive yet he probably has no balls to say that to his face , either. Heh.

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST

    superzario

    by PTSDPete

    What, that he's a ' good man ' , after all, and his actions are mirages ? That's the only sort of ' reality ' you people are prepared to recognize. Case in point : the ' liberal media '. You mean CNN ?

  • Dec. 4, 2008, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Joseph McCarthy

    by PTSDPete

    Is the real father of the modern GOP. Not Barry Goldwater, not Ronald Reagan, not William F. Buckley . Him. And it shows. http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-gabler30-2008nov30,0,1009632.story . McCarthy-Nixon-Bush2-Sarah Palin - Wilderness

  • Dec. 5, 2008, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Watched the first part last night...

    by FuckMichaelBay

    ...part 2 on the docket for today. Part one was very good. Demian Bichir makes a startlingly good Castro.

  • Dec. 6, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    HoboCode and Straighttohell

    by Die_Hardest

    C'mon now HoboCode. The embargo is only part of the reason people flee. Many members of the Middle Class and those who owned property fled shortly after the revolution when Castro started collectivizing everything and the rest of been pittering out ever since. Ask a Cuban-American from Miami what they think of Castro. And Straighttohell, you're spouting some bullshit too. The Rosenbergs were spies, but McCarthy never led to the exposure of a single Soviet agent. He only succeeded in establishing the dreadful HUAC, and being the main motivator of one of the most embarrassing moments in our nation's history. It was easy to find people in the 1950's who had at one point considered themselves socialists, anarchists, or communists. The early portion of The Depression was a realization of Marx's nightmare, and if you had lived through it, or come of age during it, you would be surprised at the political and economic philosophies you may have developed.

  • Dec. 6, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    And don't get me started on whether or not the Embargo is justif

    by Die_Hardest

    He pointed missiles at us. You can't let that type of aggressive action stand, not while other upstarts in the hemisphere are watching. Fuck 'em.

  • Dec. 6, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST

    I tend to think of Che as

    by Die_Hardest

    Hector from The Iliad. The heroic enemy. A man who fought courageously for what he believed was right. Communism is not freedom though.

  • Dec. 6, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Last post.

    by Die_Hardest

    I thought I should specify that North Korea is not a communist country. It's a military theocracy. Kim Jong Il is a God-Emperor.

  • Dec. 6, 2008, 6:16 p.m. CST

    PTSDPete

    by thebearovingian

    You're really gonna use an LA Times op-ed piece as authoritative information?