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Your Daily CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES Remake Update Comes With A Title, A Director And A Denial That It's A Remake!
Beaks here...
It's not a remake. It's a reboot. Or a revamp. Or a reinvention.
Though I'm typically upbeat about anything bearing Scott Frank's name, I must admit that I'm a little heartbroken to learn that his CAESAR won't be a redo of J. Lee Thompson's delightful CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES. Why? Well, on the bad idea scale, redoing CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES completely out of the fucking blue ranks pretty close to greenlighting THE HAPPENING. And I could do with another HAPPENING for reasons that include "zookeeper", "lemon drink" and "you're at the place where the killers meet to decide what to do with the crippled girl".
But since Frank's involvement pretty much precludes the possibility of a full-scale cinematic catastrophe, it's probably best for all involved if he presses forward with a smart, hard sci-fi re-whatever of the PLANET OF THE APES franchise. I just hope Fox (i.e. Tom Rothman) doesn't interfere with him every step of the way. So far, Frank sounds pretty happy.
For more on CAESAR, the un-CONQUEST-OF-THE-PLANET-OF-THE-APES, read Devin Faraci's exclusive interview w/ Frank over at CHUD.
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Re-imagining/reboot/re-whatever, it's still a remake. I ignore all the sequels to the original 1968 film anyway, except for 'Beneath.'
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You finish raping all of your properties yet? Oh, of course not, you're Tim Rothman. Some of what Frank has stated in the above article interests me, but as a hardcore POTA fan I remain hesitant with this. One thing that we can all acknowledge is that it surely will end up being better than the 2001 crapfest. Surely. I remain confused though. Is this a prequel to the original franchise? Is this a prequel to the 2001 shitfest? Or is this just another reboot attempt?
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throw shit at the audience.
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Say hi to your mother for me, okay?
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I wish the guy the best of luck, but I think part of the enduring charm of the series is how silly a lot of it is. Take out the silliness and overheated cheese and you are left with some pretty soul-crushing stuff. Not sure how this will do at the box office or whether anybody will want to sign up for Round 2.
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Enough of the remakes/redos/retreads.
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Just an FYI.
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I just wanted to write down a quote from Chuck Heston in APES that I could remember.
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They have to interfere.
1. Wolverine.
2. Aliens saga
3. X men.
Guys could you imagine what it would have been like if Bryan was able to shoot X3 and X4 back to back with the Dark Pheonix saga?
No. Fox had to muck him around and he left to make a crappy Superman Returns.
Fox managerial code is to interfere. -
Wasn't it Tim Burton who coined the whole "it's not a remake, it's a reimagining" concept. It was during the last Apes remake. At least that's the first time I heard a filmmaker make the distinction, and now every remake gets the reimagining moniker.
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the Burton movie. I like Burton - Wonka, Big Fish, Sweeney and a lot of his work before that, including the two Batman films. But Apes was monkey doo-doo. And this Conquest is sure to be more of the same dung.
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ME UNHAPPY ....
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Surprisingly, they showed the "director's cut" of Conquest all weekend during the marathon.....
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Dec 01, 2008 9:24:39 PM CST
Sounds Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by crackerfarmboy
Conquest was the closet thing to an interesting movie in the PotA series, aside from the original of course. With that in mind it was still comically bad. There's a great story in there somewhere though. The Burton remake was such a missed opportunity. I'm psyched for this. I hope it happens!!
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that might be the best approach to these redos... don't try to strategize them into a new multi-film franchise, just make a decent fiahlm and move on to the next thing... wanna make yet another apes reimagining? move on to another director and another idea and who cares if they are formally or serially connected. (that way we'll never have to see another tim burton apes movie, ha!_)
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We don't need an Apes prequel. The reboot of the franchise died in Tim Burton's worst movie of his career.
I don't even get this concept. There will be no continuity between this movie and any sequels. How will they go from the individual story of Caesar in this movie to the Apes taking over to a complete Ape society. -
Dec 01, 2008 10:59:13 PM CST
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by phil connors
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since they are rebooting every fucking franchise, why not do it right! Redo the original, but closer to the original novel, with modern or futuristic cities and technology!
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after Godfather but a reboot kind of homage to Voltron inbetween Superman and Naked Lunch crossed with Basic Instinct spin off of Battlestar Galactica complete take for take of Birds influenced by the Director's cut of Gran Torino in between remakes of Shortbus and Who Framed Roger Rabbit, but a reboot of that and the director of Road Warriors who bailed on Justice League same script writer as Ishtar but before that and after My Fair Lady, yet remake with a homosexual lead biopic of Primary Colors....
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And Out of Sight is just spectacular.
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.... rrrrrriiight.... Okay! So... Uh... Okay. Uh, see you all later, then?
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nothing else matters
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except for Battle were friggin' AMAZING. Go out and buy that box set...watch them all in one day...and you'll see.
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Or at least made it widely popular. The douche. Now studios can't stop shitting them out.
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YOU BLEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW IT UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP!!!!!!!!!
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So where's the standard press release that compares their reboot to Batman Begins?
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... Grape Ape!"
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No? Don't like that one. Okay, how about The Birds. But here's the catch, no birds. It's a hard science fiction story about what would make a woman bleach her hair blond. No? How about a reimagining of The Hobbit, but with no Hobbits?
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What does caesar have to do with apes? And what's with the references to M. Night's Happening that I completely don't remember?
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metaphor for the history of race relations in the US --(the movies coming a few short years after the Civil Rights movement and the death of MLK, reflected both racist fears and integrationists' hopes), one wonders how this will be handled in the post Obama world.
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Was to have the Apes be technologically advanced, we talking flying zoomy type vechiles and shit. They were unable to do this due to budget concerns, so it just seems like Burton missed out on giving us a TRUE PTA movie when he made that shitfest with Marky Mark. I am in if they make them an advanced civilisation, maybe even ones who are trying to colonise the rest of the solar system...even if just for the space chimps cameo.
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Will this be a mid February or late November release where the audience goes because they simply want to get out of the house and its date night and F that! I ain't going to any romantic comedies ect.... Seriously, beyond being no reason for this movie, it sounds flat, dull, obvious ending, since its either the Apes attack or the Apes take over or something. Seriously, another movie about how humanity is doomed? Really? Wow! So not interested. I doubt really anyone is.
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and actually quite liked it--I really enjoyed Roddy/Caesar's final monologue where you can tell he's completely snapped, and basically everything Kira, Cornelius, and (later) Armando fought for were in vain.
I don't see how this movie will work unless they're just going to do it as a self-contained film, or if they revisit the original film mythos (albeit even in passing, a la Superman Returns). Any reference to Burton's film just doesn't seem plausible. -
Delightful? Funniest thing I've read on this site today.
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of being linked in any way to Burton's film, which looked like a bunch of great make up artists and set designers gave their kids a bunch of ape suits and sets and let them film a movie with it. Actually, a serious, sober and dark remake of "conquest" (which is in itself fairly somber, serious, and dark) might be just the thing to give the 'Apes' series new life. If (big if)they avoid going for spectacle and instead think of something interesting to do with a moderately interesting sci-fi concept, I could be very interested indeed. Of course, it has to start with a new and interesting application of the concept. Burton's film was a complete retread of the ideas from the original, just done much worse. If they're going to bring the Apes back at all, they should do so because there's something unexplored about the concept that they think they could get at this time. Since the series is a pretty thin allegory anyway, if they try to turn it into a action movie or eye-candy vehicle, it will be a stupid disaster. Seems like a pretty dangerous project to tackle (especially if its being done at the request of Rothman and the suits, which means that it began with a marketing concept, not a story concept). But as of now, it actually looks more promising than it has any right to be.
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"...even as the final act sees him taking actions that may be hard for us to agree with."
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Cauron to Produce. Dahl hated the henson version.
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The send of the planets of the apes. Oh my god I was wrong, It was earth all along, youll never make a monkey, no youll never make monkey out of me!
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...isn't this basically "I, Ape" without the context provided by PotA 1-3?
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Dec 03, 2008 12:00:47 AM CST
Don't go there Taylor. You might not like what you find!"
by ricardomontalban
Memo: 20th Century Fox and Scott Frank
The reason the original POTA movis worked was the cool ape make-up & costumes (cutting edge for their time and still badass today). For some dumb reason though, Tim Burton decided to update it and as predicted, the apes didn't look as good.
Here's a plan... Remake Conquest, but just do it bigger and better. That's what all us true POTA want. We want another ape movie that looks like the original series, but done with today's sensabilities. If you keep the original look, you'll win over millions of ape fans all over the world.
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Sorry for all the grammer and spelling mistakes in my previous posting. I really need to review these before posting :)
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The ONLY good thing about the Burton remake was the ape make-up. And yes, i think it was Burton who coined "re-imagining" for his Apes movie.
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...mainly because they jettisoned the reason the original captured imaginations -- because it was a thin satire on evolution, with Chuck Heston as the gag. As in most Hollywood remakes, the producers throw out the subtext for the story and you get dour Marky Mark crashing unscathed into Washington. Terrible film.
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Careful what you say! If a fox exec reads that we want anything updated "with today's sensebilities" we're likely to end up with motorcycle-racing extreme rapping apes and eyeliner-clad Ashlee Simpson as the hero. Don't "modernize" the POTAs, make em TIMELESS!
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