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UPDATED!! 'Family Meeting!!' Series Mastermind Offers Thoughts on THE SHIELD Series Finale!!
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UPDATED!!
The Hollywood Reporter's James Hibberd has a spoiler-intensive interview with "The Shield" mastermind Shawn Ryan on the series finale. Read it here.
You can find Mike Ausiello's Entertainment Weekly post-mortum interview with Ryan here.
ORIGINAL POST:
Spoilers ahead!
While you’re avoiding those spoilers, let’s give one last thank you to my man, Chicago's crime-craving Capone, who did just a spectacular job previewing episodes of “The Shield’s” final two seasons for Coaxial.
Four major characters will die tonight, yet TV fails to mention them:
In the series finale, cops in the Barn investigate a woman’s disappearance and the arrival of a large drug shipment.
Hey, wouldn’t it be crazy if Olivia (if that really is her name), Aceveda and “the Mexicans” were somehow all working together on an incredibly elaborate sting that would force Vic (or another member of the Strike Team) to confess all his transgressions?
Take up valuable bandwidth with your predictions and reactions.
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I hate to see it go. Shane must die.
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Not that I'm him, but what the fuck? He hasn't said anything about this show in forever because he couldn't log in. Poor bastard.
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tell me you made that up. if that was going to happen...oh God. for the love of all that is good and holy, TELL ME YOU MADE THAT UP!
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It's the first time I ever did. I didn't know I had this kind of willpower. Next, I think I'll try to give up meth or my addiction to strangling hookers.
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shane, ronnie, dutch and claudette... maybe vics wife... vic to go on and live a glorious life :)
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why would ya give that up? is that even illegal?
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Shane, Ronnie, Claudette, and Olivia.
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I just don't know what sort. One of the striketeam saves the President? Gets a pardon?
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Claudette - Heart Attack
Dutch - Serial Killer Son's Mum
Shane - cos he's a cock....
Hmmmm.....
I think Vic if he does die will be shot by Corinne or his daughter...
Of course it could be Ass Invader...
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I mean, they spent the last 2 seasons (maybe 3) to bring him up in front, to make him a leader. So if he dies tonight it will be a useless sacrifice, and since he is my favourite character it would be too dull to see him die in vain.
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Sorry Herc. Shawn Ryan was the best writer on Angel and he made a tv show people care about more than anyone that gives a shit about the pathetic "Buffyverse".
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http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/165/spoilz1it5.jpg HE is A FED
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Just as Vic was signing his deal. The Mexican boss has been too easy a touch for a drug cartel's security chief, so i was thinking the deal was bogus, a trick to get him to confess.
But Olivia's reaction was too perfectly disgusted. If it was a sting, she wouldn't have been so surprised by his misdeeds. In fact, any real official offering immunity would have called LAPD and asked what the scuttlebutt was on the guy - she's just very naive, isn't she? But she's got a GREAT ASS - and she's got her head ALL the WAY UP IT!!! -
and F anyone that spoils this for everyone =p
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Gets his first assignment, whack some family in New Jersey eating onion rings at a restaurant...
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No additional comment necessary.
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Vic gets the ICE job.
Ronnie gets burned for Vic's sins.
Vic gets the kids.
Billings gets a promotion.
Claudette gets hospitalized.
David and Vic continue their love hate relationship.
Black cop is the final gay cylon.
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Did that storyline peter out or what?
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Nov 25, 2008 8:06:44 AM CST
Too bad end of Bush term VIC would fit right in with BFEE.
by evilwizardglick
Vic could have been employed by the Bush Family Evil Empire and rolling in cash all these years.
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but the mom takes credit by playing the "stalker" card.
Ronnie lives, he is caught in the sting
Mara/corrine buy it.
Irony -Ass-a-veda buys it from vic ala Terry crowley -
Vic as a Mafia Hitman.... that was classic! LOL
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hey does anyone know if this is 90 minuts with commercials or 90 minutes without. The reason I ask is that on Direct TV's website it says that its an 1 hour and 45 minutes, so I was thinking it that maybe it has limited commercial interruption like 15 mins..thus making it a 90 mins..I really hope that is to be the case?
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I still say Ronnie is going to be the Last Man Standing and will drive off to Mexico with a wad of cash and maybe even Tina on his arm. (What can I say I like the Guy, I'm pullin' for ya Ronnie!)
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Remember Vic's son is autistic. And we haven't seen him in a while.
The whole series could be an elaborite fantasy in his mind. His Mom and sister don'te even exist and Vic is a single dad working security in a safe suburban mall.
The other main characters are also mall employees. Claudette runs the Starbucks with Dutch, Billings is the vending machine maintenence man, Ronnie and Shane work at Software Etc and play first person shooter all day, and so on.
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they should make a spinoff just for him.
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She's pregnant. I know this is FX, but I think that's going way to dark, even for The Shield. I wonder if by "4 Cast Members", we're talking four primary players or just four characters. Maybe one of them will be the serial killer kid's mom.
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Becomes a PMC, ends up in Afghanistan, working on bringing down the warlords profiting from the opium trade. Ends up with his own territory and poppy fields as far as the eye can see.
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That show was boring and if I wanted to "care" about pond scum criminals, I'd watch repeats of "Wiseguy". That show rocked before Ken Wuhl (sic) decided to throw his career away by bedding both of the Barbi Twins. That show was cool because you can't beat the wise wheelchair dispatcher who ultimately became Duncan MacLeod's "watcher".
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Dutch does something stupid and it ends up getting Claudette killed. He holds Vic responsible and goes after him which will end with Vic killing Dutch...
Ronnie who has never forgiven Shane for killing Lem will track down and kill Shane and his wife and kid.
With Claudette and Dutch dead, Ronnie keeps his job as they are never able to pin anything on him before they die.
Vic never gets his badge back. I'm thinking he'll either end up dead, or working for the cartel. I think he is done forever as a cop of any kind.
Billings will get put in charge of the Barn. Julian will be promoted to detective; and will be a thorn in Ronnie's side for the remainder of both of their careers...
Of course... I'm probably way off...
I reposted that for kicks; It'll be interesting to see how far off I am.
Already I never expected Vic to take his deal; and confess to everything, screwing Ronnie in the process.
Tonight's last episode will be very interesting.
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I like your pronostic. Aceveda getting Vic à la Terry! nique sa mère!
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Dutch: The calls from the kid continue. He goes to the house, finds the front door open slightly, walks in, the kid has a gun, a clear set up like the kid's other victim. There's a struggle, gun goes off, Dutch bites it.
Mara: Shane refuses to get her medical attention out of fear of being caught. She dies in her sleep due to complications.
Corrine or Cassidy: Shane blames Vic for everything that's happened to him, and after he finds Mara dead, he goes apeshit. He goes to Vic's house and holds the family hostage. Vic shows up and being held at gun point, doesn't have a lot of options but to stand there and listen to Shane's rant. During this Cassidy tries to come in and save her dad where she gets knocked off.
Shane: He freaks out after shooting Cassidy and tries to make a break for it when Vic shoots him, putting him on the ground but not dead. Shane tries to weasel his way out of it, as he normally does, but before he can finish his first sentence, Vic unloads his gun on him.
Vic ends up in jail for homicide, Corrine ends up drug addicted to take the pain away, Claudette retires due to her illness, Aceveda ends up getting what he wants, Ronnie gets hosed by what Vic told the FBI, and Dutch's annoying partner gets control of the farm.
I'd love to see a spinoff show of Vic in jail. Ex crooked cop, with a history of roughing up his suspects in the zoo with the animals? Hells yeah. Maybe even an eventual run in with Ronnie down the road. -
when Vic was sitting there confessing EVERYTHING. The cat's out of the bag now, There's no way things can go back to anything remotely normal. Also, GrandMuffTarkin, the Shield has already gone that dark. And darker. Did you ever catch the episode where these people cut the baby out of a pregnant woman's stomach? That was back when Danny was pregnant. I'm just trying to not diminish my hopes of Mara dying. She needs to die. It's all her fault.
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What do you have against that show? You would rather post tb's for the dying shield and the equally dying Heroes.
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The Sarah Connor Chronicles has had a spike in quality this season. Where's the tb for that?
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Link, please! I freaking cannot wait... I think Vic has got some trick up his sleeve to force ICE into giving Ronnie a deal yet. But if I had to guess as to the four dead, I'd say Shane, Mara, Dutch (via the serial killer) and then either Ronnie (Vic sets up Ronnie to get killed to spare him from prison) or Corine (guessing Mara goes first, Shane goes after Corine for revenge, then Vic kills Shane and blows his deal).
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IMHO, Olivia's reaction (and that of her boss) was really quite tame... I mean, these guys just gave immunity to someone thinking all he did was rough up a few drug dealers. Then they find out all the shit he's pulled including multiple murders and a cop killing and cop killers are the holy grail of criminals. And all Olivia's boss has to say is "What kind of detective did you raise, Captain?" with almost no emotion?
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So what's up with the Julien and his whole gay storyline? I've seen nearly every episode of the series and after season 3, it seems like his personal life has never come up again. What was a fairly significant plot for the first three seasons has been completely ignored. I know him and his wife divorced, but is he finally ok buggering guys?
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Due to her illness, Claudette decides to retire. At the press conference, she pulls off her wig to reveal she's really Scottie Pippen.
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Have lead to too many loose ends. The plethora of writers never seem to want to finish up anyone else's storylines. I keep trying to think of characters who we haven't seen in a season or two, and wonder if they are going to come back and play some part in what is going on...
To me, it would seem conterintuitive for a show that is called "The Shield" to end with Vic not having a badge of some sort. It threw me for a loop when he gave up his badge with 4 episodes to go. 4 MAJOR characters being dead at the end means it is NOT Corin or Shane's wife. However, that doesn't mean they can't kill some minor characters as well. The woman disapearing? Gotta be the kid's mom that Dutch was macking on. Did the kid do it, or did Dutch? Talk about unclosed story lines...what about Dutch strangling that cat to death a couple seasons ago? I thought that was going to be his first step down the path of being a serial killer, then they just let it go. Maybe in a flashback, Dutch HAS been killing all this time, and the disappeared woman is in his basement with a bunch of other bodies...
It would truly suck if we didn't get to see that all along, but it sucks even more to just drop it altogether...
My ending...It's all been in VIC'S head the entire time. He Chiklis should gain about 40 pounds, go back to looking like he did on "The Commish", and the whole thing is his cop wannabe fantasy, as he is a fucking meter maid somewhere... -
went on a "Why is Its Always Sunny given a TB" diatribe that got him banned for some reason. I agree with the guy, but maybe he rubbed someone the wrong way.BTW what horrendous shit do you HAVE to do to get banned?
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ooooops
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Of course the Hot For Teacher ending, with Dutch going on to be a gynecologist, Vic a sumo wrestler, Claudette in a psych hospital, and Shane a game show host, while nobody is sure whatever happened to Ronnie, would be pretty badass. Class dismissed.
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Do you think that Corin and Mara are not major characters? Corin has always been, and Mara certainly has become one.
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this is so gonna fuck me up.
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When did this happen? I don't remember this.
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She going to contribute to a death
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It's like they just decided to drop Julien's personal life completely to focus on other things.
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I think she's back just because its logical for her to be back - she left to get away from seeing Vic, now Vic's no longer at the barn. Doesn't necessarily mean she's got any big role to play in the last ep. Though how messed up would it be for Vic to have to stand over the bodies of both women who have given him children?
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Hell no I don't consider them major characters. Corin has never been a major character, imho, and Mara is not either.
You can't appear in 30% of the episodes and be considered "major". They had many, many chances for Corin to be more of a player, and they kept passing it up. Probably more like I said, too many writers not wanting to follow-up on anyone else's subplots. Corin could have become a major character when Vic first offered her the bag of money train money, but they passed it up then. Mara could have become major the night she busted up the guy beating the shit out of Shane at their house. You can't be a minor character for 6 seasons and 8 episodes, then become a "major character" in the last 4 episodes. Hell, before this season, Ronnie barely qualified as a major character. Until the 5th season, I could rarely remember his name can called him "grillface". -
It's more and more looking like Vic will be stay alive (Don't know what capacity)looking back over one Freaking trail of devestation. Both women gone would fit into that.
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Perfect ending ... Vic has to kill Corrin, Ronnie, Shane and Danny to keep out of jail. Fed catches him and he's offered a job in Obama's cabinet. Maybe the travel office or something. ;) Serious bet, Dutchboy is being setup by the MOTHER not the boy, or maybe both of them are working together. He'll never see it coming, too busy trying to save her.
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That preview clip of vic pulling the gun out from the desk and grinning...
Shane, Mara, Ass-a-veda, Laura all dead.
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Vic getting himself killed in the end would be a cheap easy end. The writers all stated they spent several hours discussung the final. They tossed the obvious, asy scobby doo shit out the window and went rogue. I'm expecting that have succeeded and we'll be left with a sick yet satisfying feeling in our gut. I'm hoping so anyways, TV standards are below bottom of barrel.
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If Ronnie goes to jail before episode's end, he might find himself locked up with Antwon who would probably put a hit out on him. I can see Dutch getting it from the kid although it's a cheap ploy to end the series with. I really think Vic survives to see the damage his choices have caused to all of those around him. Whether he'll be affected by that I don't know.
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Writers stated that there are important scences that will play out as/during the final credits roll....
If they freaking use screen compression and shrink the screen to plug a new episode of nip/tuck, I swear I will freaking kick the tv screen in! -
If you watch the trailer from last week for the finale slowly, it shows Vic in the interrogation room, angry. He looks up at the camera and pulls it out of the wall. Im betting he gets arrested, thats the last thing we see and ppl argue about whether or not he coulve gotten out of it.
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God damn that's a great show. The season finale was the best episode this year. I've been singing the toll troll song all week. And Sweet Dee has a great vice.
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Vic meets up with some Biker Gang from northern Cali, one of the Outlaw Bikers will hook him up as a Security Gaurd for a Neighborhood where these Two Plastic Surgeons\Douchebags live, they offer him some help\Surgery and he has to off some Squattersliving in a nearby house. Then there's this NYC Fire Fighter who is visiting an old 'Friend' from the neighborhood who runs into Vic in a Bar owned by Dannt DeVito. This 'Friend' just happens to publish some magazines there in LA. She meets Vic, gets his story made into a Series of books that are then Optioned into making a TV Series and they call it 'The Shield'. Whadda' ya' think!
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fx mash-up huh? wheres the damages reference?
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Well, he's got the same spiral mark on his cheek right?
I saw Ass Invader on an episode of Star Trek next gen. He as a transporter operator. Looked like a dick in that too.
Only good ending will be for Vic to go to jail or for get killed. All the shit he's pulled is about in line with his nature but him killing that cop 'just for investigating him' doesnt fit. I think that was bad writing. -
Best. Prediction. EVER.
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Vic, Ronnie, Claudette, Shane, Dutch, the Mexicans, and the feds are in a standoff when Vic gets hit in the head by a golf ball. Cut to Chiklis sitting up in bed but now he's 40 pounds heavier. He turns to his wife Theresa Saldana and tells her about his dream and wants to write it down but he can't find a pen. As the show ends, the theme song to the Commish begins to play. I then throw my tv out the window.
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I don't know about the others, but on the previews for this week's show, we saw Vic sitting on a bed, looking at a gun in a bedside drawer, a slight smile on his face. My guess is that Vic's deal with the Feds falls apart, the cops are coming for him, and he eats his gun rather than going to prison, thereby ending things on his terms vs. anyone else's, which is how he's lived the entire series.
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Good one.
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Maybe I'm remembering wrong then about Julien getting the divorce. I didn't want the whole storyline to come up again in a big way, but it seems like there was never the resolution in S4 to it, like there should have been.
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the cop eating a gun thing is way to cliche' for this level of writing/acting. If they do resort to it, it had better be written for a helluva DAMN GOOD plot line... I'm still not buying it though.
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Forrest, and I not talking Gump, here,,,,,
Cast and Crew
Actor
* Michael Chiklis
* Benito Martinez
* CCH Pounder
* Jay Karnes
* Catherine Dent
* Walton Goggins
* Michael Jace
* Forest Whitaker
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It is beyond a doubt a total injustice that Coggins has not won an emmy. He is excellent in this series.
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Whitaker probably appears in a flashback, or Vic gets put in his jail cell in the final scene.
If the final scene is one "we never saw coming", then I bet it's something so sudden that it seems completely random, such as: Cut to three months later, Vic is sitting in his federally provided vehicle at a stoplight, and some thug walks up and caps him in a car jacking.
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"Goggins". Maybe your lack of spelling skills ruined his chances for nominaton.
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I completely agree, I'm one of those semi-morons who like to read the credits, see who the actors were, locations, all that trivial BS.. I want to believe Ryan has the fans best interests at hand and I have a good/sick feeling we won't see the end coming until its after the fact and we're standing there just holding our cranks.
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Because for everything he has done, death would be a delivrance not a punishment. To get what he deserves I think it worse a death, yes, but for a member of his family not for him. It's the only way for Victor Samuel Mackey to be punished.
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it worth a death.
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just shows what a great show this is and how it got to people. However this ends, and I'm sure it will be pretty fucked up ending for most involved, I'm really bummed that it's over. I can safely say that no other show besides BSG has just drawn me in so completely from the very first frigging episode all the way to the end. It has raised the bar for all to follow. I will be soooooo pissed if this show doesn't get an Emmy nomination at least.
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Vic cares about most ,,, that my friends is where the screws will turn
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I will definitely raise a drink to that. Scotch Whiskey to the end of a phenomenal ride, folks. Cheers!
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not ronnie, you just can't write it:)
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is that Vic gets Corin and his whole family relocated in witness protection for testifying against the Armenians or the Cartel, assuming the immunity deal stands.
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conditional that he never show his ugly mug anywhere, ever!
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That made me think of something. I went back and looked at the first season, and paid attention to Chiklis' body.
Yeah, he got his fat ass in the gym and got a little pumped, but he has really let himself go in the last two seasons. Compared to the first season, he's a total fatass.
What is it about Chiklis that gets women so fucking wet, anyway? Just about every woman I know has the screaming thigh sweats for the man, but I can't figure out why...
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I know several smoking hot 8s,9s and 10s friends of mine that'll chase a bald male 5! Just cause they think that bald=hot.. I' don't get it. ON TOPIC Beware folks, no fairy tale endings and rainbows tonite
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I will accept no other reality than that, even if I have to create it myself. It will be dirty, gritty, and bloody, but Vic will be standing tall at the end...
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If Forrest "Life is like an IAB detective planting evidence" W. really is in the finale, man oh man...he's either sharing a cell with Vic or Ronnie, or its gotta be a flashback. I just hope they don't waste the 90 minutes showing us footage that we've already seen...
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The pedophile interrogation scene in the 1st episode of TS...did you guys sit there gape mouthed like I did? When you were watching it, did you know you were watching a show that was going to either change TV forever? I remember looking at my then-wife and saying, "Holy shit, this will either be the best tv series ever, or it won't make it to episode two."
Hopefully, they have pulled out all the stops, and the finale breaks even more ground than that first episode did.
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What if Ronnie has been a deep cover Fed all along. He was was always lurking in the background and only came forward as a major character after Lem was killed.
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that would be a mind fuck.. Flash back with ronnie and terry both working as partners on a bust somewhere. Interesting
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Nope. Ronnie witnessed too many murders. He may have gone state's evidence lately, but he couldn't have been one from the start. The investigation would have been pulled at the first Vic murder.
He may have turned lately, but not from the start.
What I really, really hope is that they don't pull some sort of deus ex machina shit, and say that Ronnie (or anyone) made some sort of off-camera deal with the feds that we didn't see and just comes out of nowhere. That's a fucking cop-out. -
Don't think so. a) Ronnie shot the Armenian hit man in cold blood. b) the feds would have busted the team eons ago if Ronnie was their man on the inside... they'd have them dead to rights on pretty much everything they ever did, and its not like there's a larger criminal organization behind Vic - they wouldn't be biding their time hoping to catch the big fish. Vic is the big fish. Gotta admit though that it would be one helluva twist.
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Maybe if i refresh the talkback every 10 seconds it will feel like im watching it. Will be stalking torrents all night.
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Spoilers WILL be posted
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ALIVE. :P
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Nope, sorry... got ahead of myself...
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Be as descriptive as possible, i will close my eyes, pretend i'm in your apartment holding your hand watching on your black and white 12 inch tv with a beer!
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60" widescreen hd :P
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As long as you're holding my hand, i cant handle the stress
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a fairly satisfying conversation with Shane. No more leverage for you motherfucker.
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and felt like the walls of MY house were closing in.
Well done...
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Slamming a guys face into his rattlesnake tank. I'd confess to anything...
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Nov 25, 2008 9:49:22 PM CST
Bet that rattlesnake finds that chick's twat for snitching
by chittychittygangbang
also props for cameo from Seinfeld's ex that he refused to leave her place for fear of the Lopper.
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This twist on the Dutch plot to what we all thought it was going to be...
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Wow... jaw on the floor
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Way to go Shane!
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Was not expected...
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10pm Central time and the local Military base is playing Taps over the loudspeaker as this Shane business comes to its conclusion. Damn...
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More than 4 deaths happening.
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How they didn't show how each was killed..... Imagination can run amok on that one
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Jackson on the bed with that little truck in his hand...
Fuuuuuck that was hard to look at, considering he was happy and playing the tub and smiling at his mom and dad earlier.
Good god.
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I didn't want to see this happen. :( But god damn is it good TV.
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We're about to see #2 right here...
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what a gut punch
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you can cut the tension of the drama with a knife... hoping for a home run here in the next 15min
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Star Trek looks um.... interesting
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Because you just know that if they let Shane punch his ticket to the Cadillac Ranch that early, then something as big as TheBates is coming...
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in the Box is just... awesome... fucking. awesome.
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my favorite line EVER.
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that living on the west coast sucks ass.
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to the left coasters.. trying not to give too much away.
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tears, seriously.
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looks like he's in the clear,,,, what a fucking cost.... Not over yet!
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If we're on the left coast and reading this TB, you think we're interested in the fricking commercials? LOL! Give!
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I would avoid this talkback like the plague.
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...my predictions for how this would go were way off...
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King Nothing
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Cast members exit one by one leaving the main to go solo...
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immunity? Since the Beltran bust went down?
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classiest guy on the team and he takes it all.
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My god, a fucking desk job! For Vic, I think he actually gets it worse than Ronnie.
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to see Det. Meldrick Lewis getting good acting work... but he needed his hat.
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Ouch
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HE GOES DOWN FIGHTING! ONE LAST HURRAH!
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Dammit - how much are we going to miss this show??
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what?
They just pulled a Don't Stop Believin'...
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wtf?
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Vic do something... anything besides stare at his desk...
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In a better way than Sopranoes. I envision Vic showing up at the shooting and saving some cop's asses before being arrested to serve his life sentence.
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To everyone who ever worked on The Shield thanks for some of the GREATEST TV EVER!!!!
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That was some of the best television ever! Welcome to purgatory, Vic!
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credits are weird as hell....
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...that's fair. I just wanted it go out with more of a bang.
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But I needed more carnage.
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Someone put up a summary or something already. The wait to find out what happened is killing me....
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Ronnie going down
Shane dead
Lem Dead
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He wakes up from his dream, goes to the bathroom and sees Lem's naked ass in the shower
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That it was Sopranos-esque, but MUCH better done...
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they left it up to us. Im overall happy but a little let down. Kind of like at the end of the Wire.
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That was some cold-hearted shit.
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I gotta let this one digest for a while.... Not as satisfied as I had thought I'd be....
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Nov 25, 2008 10:50:24 PM CST
No better or worse than the final ep of "The Sopranos"
by the tao of joe
Both finales left their protagonists waiting for the moment they were going to die. The only difference was that there was a chance that members of Tony's family could be mowed down with him. And for what it's worth, I think "The Wire" had the best of the three series finales. That said, we got three great shows that played out like well written books. Long live the TV drama renaissance!
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He wakes up in bed with his wife from "The Commish"
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Holy shit great television right there folks.
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I think your right that Wire had the best ending of the three..... all basically end without and ending....life continues on...
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As the father of two young kids, the part with Shane was really, really hard to watch...and I'm normally pretty cold on this kind of stuff. Not sure who called it yesterday but said that they thought it too harsh for TV...kudos to you. The ending was definitely underplayed. They could have lingered longer on him taking the gun out of the lock-box and toying with it, as though to off himself, but to ultimately show that by not doing so he was a coward, but they didn't. Which is a shame. I did feel underwhelmed though.
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I liked the ending, a guy like Vic being chained to a desk, without his friends or family is the worst possible outcome for him.
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I feel like the weight of the last 7 seasons are off my chest. That was some heavy shit to carry as a viewer and you don't realize till it's gone.
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...he gets to live the rest of his law enforcement career like a shnook...
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I'm really, really thinking this was much better than the mass carnage ending we all predicted... And the cigarette was good.
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that's it... Power off.
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in our mouths of wanting more. I do. I want to see how Ronnie fares, see how Vic copes with ICE, Does Corrine and the kids stay hid, Danni's baby and Vic, fall out from assinvader in office, Damn it I WANT SOME MORE!
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I felt Vic is going to be back to is old ways. Somehow finding a way to bend the rules and get things back to what he feels comfortable with.
He simply can't let go of all the control he felt like he had in his life. It is up to us to make up the scenarios to which he will carry out his rise to being back in control.
Him walking out with a gun made me think of one thing he has left to do.
Payback to the feds and the search for his family. -
The show had the guts to end the way it began. Vic has been, and always would be, a narcissistic sociopath. As much as he might tear up over Ronnie going to prison, or Shane killing himself, or his kids being gone, it doesn't matter. They're just the scenery for HIM. The idea of him riding a desk lends itself to the idea that "a shark has to keep moving or it dies," but he wouldn't off himself. Not because his life isn't shit, which it is, but because he wouldn't give anyone the satisfaction that they'd beaten him. An amazing finale to a great series.
And for the record, for all its "edginess" and "grit", I'm still in shock that Ryan would have Shane pull a Chris Benoit. My head is still spinning. -
that kid's mom and jackson count as major characters? why not count mara's fetus?
the show was awesome, but ryan casting his wife was a series long drag. -
...on the very end, with the gun, is that even though Vic has seen everything he loves taken away and is chained to a desk for the next three years, the essential spark of him has not burned out or been quenched. The gun is a piece of what he once was, his talisman, and as long as he holds onto that they can't get to him completely. Can he survive three years of desk duty and separation from his family? I think so. And I think he thinks so. And as far as Ronny goes... he's trying hard not to think about that. That's my take, anyway.
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I never saw the Sopranos so I cant compare. I do know that this episode was as close to poetry than I have ever seen. Shane and Maras story was just tragic on an almost Shakespearen level. Vic is left having either killed (in one way or another) or alienated everyone hes ever cared about and is left to the one thing he never wanted to be; a desk jockey.
As he was looking at his desk I could almost feel that he knew he got the shorter straw between him and Ronnie. I agree with Metiphislabs on the fact that Vic will be sharing a cell with Ronnie real soon.
What I thought was fucked up though was that Shane committed suicide and in real life Walton Goggins'(Shanes') wife killed herself. Messed up. -
Is going to have Ronny shanked. It sucks but it's what will happen.
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Man I half expected that kid to win. That would have been great.
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Nov 25, 2008 11:01:51 PM CST
Walton Goggins' wife killed herself in real life?
by chittychittygangbang
Holy fuck! That made that scene that much more difficult.
Imagine the tension the writers felt showing that to him and him agreeing to act it out.
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What a damn good show.
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It's damn hard trying not thinking about Ronnie. The other poster labeling vic as a sociopath was on target. This was better than riding off into the sunset,,, Ryan didn't hand us an ending on a silver platter, and THAT makes or breaks an ending.
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The scene with Shane reminded me of what the wrestler Chris Benoit did to himself and his family a year and a half ago. Very disturbing to watch.
Vic losing all his friends and family was pretty gut wrenching. Ronnie taking the fall absolutely sucks. I yelled out for Ronnie to run. As much as ICE thinks they have a leash on Vic, the ending pretty much shows that NO ONE can control him.
Even though there wasn't a lot of action, so to speak, the tension was turned all the way up.
I enjoyed it and am pretty satisfied. -
For helping with the perspective on the finale... I'm pretty sure at this point it's a bit of everything that we/you've mentioned...
Vic is a sociopath and had 2 seconds or remorse for Ronnie... and now he's going onto the streets vigilante style, without the badge, doing what he thinks he needs to do to avenge Ronnie...
That's my take folks. I gotta be up in 5 hours. G'nite. Left Coasters, ENJOY! -
Christ, that's awful. Thinking more about the episode, I was struck by the fact that for all the close-up on Vic's face in the final few minutes, he never once - quite purposefully - cried. He simply feels nothing for anyone else. That's why his ultimate fate is both heart-breaking (for them) but ultimately meaningless for him, as he cares nothing about anyone really when push comes to shove.
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I know I'm going to be shit on for saying this because no one wants to hear politics brought into the Shield, but there was a profound message in Andre3000's character. He spoke the words that this shows actions have been alluding to. That if people like Vic Mackey, that live to further themselves and fuck everyone around them for personal gain, have ruined the integrity of this country. The message was clean here, the bad guys leave untouched because they think differently than we all do, Mackey and Acevada think is these ways, and they get ahead. Stepping on the throats of anyone and everyone around them. The writers made a profound statement of our times here, and as I began to say you will all hate me for saying it but the Vic Mackey mentality is the one we just voted out of office....
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Nov 25, 2008 11:11:40 PM CST
That's how I feel at my desk every fucking evening..
by grandmufftarkin
...except I don't have a .357 Desert Eagle to tuck into my trousers.
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But there has been a well-publicised rash of father-family suicides recently, especially in the UK and US. There was one recently bankrupted millionaire in the UK who came home one day, shot his wife and daughter in the back of the head, did the same to their horses, broke every item of furniture in the house, and then set fire to the house and stables, taking care to make sure that no doors could be opened to help anyone. We live in strange times...
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Spot on. Only with me, I have a Desert Eagle at home and think about blowing my brains out after a long day of listening to the 90 year old woman next to me complain about her great grandchildren.
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you've seen how skinny that guy is... I bet he does nothing but shit...
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Vic ending up in cubicle hell and losing everything was perfect. He might not have ended up in jail, but he suffered a fate worse than jail. Brilliant. For him to die or end up in jail was just too easy. To lose his family and everyone that he cared about with them knowing exactly the monster he has always been is torture. The looks he got in The Barn was just priceless. And to be chained to a desk for a three year job assignment with a boss watching his every move, just waiting to pull the rug out from under him and send him to death row is total hell. Absolutely brilliant finale
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...that in the end, Vic didn't need to sign off on the deal so soon. Corrine wasn't really arrested and Shane ate a gun so he and Ronnie would've been in the clear even if they didn't get the ICE deal. They could've waited a week and ridden off into the world of cubicles and marked bag lunches together...
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That was the similar hopeless desperation feeling at the end of the movie "The Mist". If I had only waited,,Coulda, woulda, shoulda. That's what adds to the total tradgedy
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A perfect way to end one hell of a ride.
Thank you to everyone who ever worked on this show. I hope you all have continued success. -
Vic is going to ride out his 3 year sentenance to get a full pension (Thanks to his years in the LAPD). Ronnie will probably go to a Fed prison since he was a cop, sucks but he'll be in jail for the rest of his life and Antwan cannot touch him there. Ronnie and Kavanaugh can exchange stories about how Vic landed the both of them there. As soon as the 3 years of Desk Jockying is over Vic will be doing two things, looking for his kids and figuring out a way to get back into the action.
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Wow, that was a great ending. Shane killing himself and his family was a wacko turn of events I didn't see coming. Ronnie getting the lifelong prison sentence was also a wacko turn of events that left me with a sick feeling in my stomach.
And Vic, bless him, seems to not give much of a shit. Amazing what a hellbent focus on self-preservation gets you in the end.
Wonderful, face-smashing drama. What a show. I'll miss it. -
I think one thing we can all agree on is that the best TV is unpredictable and keeps us guessing. One thing Ryan & Co. always indicated about the finale is that it wouldn't be something easily assumed and if it "came to us quick" (in the writing room), odds are you wouldn't see it. And I think not many of us saw that coming to Shane and his family. We knew it would end bad but...well, not bad like that. Kudos to the team for making that storyline really riveting as all hell. And kudos for not taking any shortcuts with Vic. Him eating his gun would have been just as frustrating because it was easily assumed.
It sucks when the bad guy walks but it's so damned interesting.
What made The Wire and The Shield so great is that they were shows that didn't conform to typical television standards. Things, and character arcs, aren't wrapped up in neat little bows like many drone like TV cop shows. Open ended endings are frustratingly beautiful...hard as hell to watch and accept but very true to life.
I, for one, liked the ending. Was there ever going to be ANY ending that completely satisfied all facets of the fan base? Not a chance. What it did was remain true to the essence of the series, which, as a fan, is all I can really ask for.
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i knew how it would end for shane. his lifelines had run out, there was nothing left for it. glad they had that last chat. also, deeply glad claudette got to twist the knife her way, twice. i'm surprised that vic's shout didn't violate his immunity agreement. but the beige cubicle was a fabulous plan. can mackey even use a computer? we never see it turned on. what's interesting is that aceveda thinks he's free and clear. like the cartel doesn't have more of that photo. it was taken with a cellphone, digital files do not go away.
the snakebite scene was a shout out to the good ol' strike team days. it's a shame about ronnie, but he's a criminal and he deserves it. it's just too bad they didn't let him go on at vic a while longer. that was beautiful. thing is, vic would be in his element in prison. he'd work his way to the top of the food chain and stay there.
the last few moments reminded me so much of that scene from buffy when she's disarmed and angel has a sword to her throat: "that's it, hunh? no weapons, no friends, no family... take all that away and what's left?" says buffy, "me."
mackey without all the things he worked so hard to hold onto is still mackey.
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This is just more ambiguous bullshit. Reminds me of something I once heard about music "The reason they fade the song out at the end is because they don't know how to end a song." Shoulda been a better ending than "What does Vic do now?"
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What happened with Vic was basically where I thought it was going at the beginning of the season (I think my specific guess was that he'd get out from under everything but end up as a security guard). I started to wonder toward the end of the episode if Vic might offer to void his deal in exchange for immunity for Ronnie. I think if he was the sort of person he thought he was that's what he would have done.
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I'm not even in west coast, I'm in fuckin France., I want to see it! NOW!
I almost wanna cry now...
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over the credits?
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abetyler, sorry to hear that you are having to wait. Last season (season six) it was the French that were getting the episodes first, and some kind souls were posting the them via bittorrent weeks before they aired in the USA.
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it's just there is no torrent yet, I 've been waiting since five in the morning , it's now 7:32, but I know my patience will be rewarded, maybe before midday!!
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I can't wait to to get them all on DVD (hopefully Bluray if it was shot on film or HD) and watch it all again one after another over a week or two.
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vic didn't grab his gun to go join his former peers. for starters, how would he even know what was going on? he saw (i think) only two squad cars. could be nothing, for all he knows. second, he would be totally ignored -- possibly even attacked -- if he even showed his face around a group of his former fellow officers. no, here's what i think the end was all about: taking his gun with him at the end of the day was a meaningless act of petulance. he'd spent all those years prior bucking all authority and doing whatever the fuck he wanted. now chained to the desk, the only way he can rebel is to take his gun with him -- a token gesture that no one else will even know about. it's indicative of just how pathetic he's become, and it was the perfect ending.
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okay so what happened over the credits? i got to the part where Vic put his gun in his back and walked off but got pulled away at work so i didn't see the credits...anything?
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Like set a year later? And poor Ronnie...you just have to try to remember he deserves whatevers gonna happen...
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I know I've heard rumblings in the past about a spinoff with Dutch...was that just a rumor? They'd be silly to not go with something like that given the open-ended nature of the finale. Dutch as a top-notch detective but also as a possible (WAY possible) serial killer would make for great FX television. Shit, I'll even take a movie. All in all this has to go down as one of the best shows ever.
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That was the absolute lamest ending of a fantastic season/series I've seen - only sucked slightly less than the Sopranos. Pathetic wimp out. WTF with introducing new situations and not finishing off any of them except one with a bang. Weak weak weak WEAK! If there was a sequel, I'd not watch it, at this point.
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People either expected Vic to die or go to jail. Few thought he would live since for all his evil deeds, he probably shouldn't live. But now he has no one. He fought to protect his family. He fought to protect the Strike Team. He fought to protect his job. Now he has none of it. He's reduced to writing reports on cases. All he has are pics of his kids from now on. His best friends are either dead or going to jail for life. It's tragic. It's better for the series.
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I wonder if Dutch did, in fact, kill the serial killer boy's mom, and serial killer boy realized at the end of Claudette's interrogation that Dutch had got him through deception. Claudette's statement that she would be a character witness for Dutch somewhat mirrors Dutch's signed statement to help Billings, giving a bit of symmetry to the situation, and the concept that Dutch would plant evidence at his own house is somewhat a reverse of what Billings did to implicate the child molester a few episodes ago. Serial killer boy never admitted to killing his mom. His demeanor at the end of his interrogation only showed that he realized that he was probably screwed.
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I have no idea, but I like to think that you're right.
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We always knew there was no way he'd get away with it.. and he did... by losing everything. Maybe a few years from now someone will do a "Mackey John M.D." series.
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During the interview with Claudette, she only mentions that his mom's clothing was found. The kid said they were burned. That's the thing that's going to burn him down the road.
And Vic gets to spend three years remembering every single day living with the memory and the rush of being a street cop.
I think he'd end up trying, in any way possible to get back to it. And maybe even make it. God knows, he was good at dancing around the edges for seven years.
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The TalkBackers could have written a better episode. Like MisterE, I wanted to see Dutch turn out to be the murderer. Considering how sanctimonious he's always been about Vic, it would have been fair. Claudette should have died at the station either from mystery AIDS/wasting syndrome/whatever or killed by someone (Shane). Shane should have gone out in a blaze of glory against Vic and/or Ronnie or even against his own wife. Ronnie should've turned out to have been a deep undercover Fed who threw it all away after being corrupted by the Strike Team. I would've thought Vic would've jumped out that window too. And the Andre3000 Obama-esque/Vote for Pedro character was a waste of time that distracted from what they should've have written. Still, it would've been awesome had Andre3000 beat Aceveda while still being dead.
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It would be cool seeing a Vic Mackey cinema movie or TV movie, but the problem with a cinema movie, is Fox (who own FX) would make Vic become John McClane and force it to be a very action oriented movie (which I don't have a complaint with, if he's asked by the FBI to go undercover for something huge), in order for it have more appeal to larger audiences who haven't seen The Shield and have zero interest in watching it. Such a movie would certainly have to be way better than the piece of shit Street Kings movie Fox released recently, that badly flopped.
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I had a very bad feeling that Shane was going to off himself and his family after that conversation with Vic on the payphone. I could feel the walls just closing around him an his utter helplessness at the whole situation. As much as he and Mara deserved to die, Jackson sure didn't. Just fucking tragic. Chicklis and Pounder said in an interview that Mackey would get exactly what he deserved and they were right. Man, I am going to miss this show!
Oh, for my two cents on where Vic was off to - He goes on a suicide run to break Ronnie out of the Barn so he can make it right between them, then both run to Mexico. -
In the works for 2010's fall season:
Former hard-nosed Detective Vic Mackey tries to adapt to life behind a desk, but his biggest challenge is dealing with his wacky co-workers, played by Drew Carey, Abe Vigoda, John Leguizamo as Rico the gay mailboy, and Loni Anderson as The Boss. -
Claudette stated a couple of seasons ago that she has Lupus, so it isn't a mystery disease (and isn't necessarily fatal, but can be). I agree that the mayoral candidate guy was a waste of time. I didn't really mind the way Shane died, but would probably have had Mara kill herself and their son and had Shane kill himself in a moment of anguish. All in all, though, I liked the finale. Most shows that I watch get canceled early or get screwed over by network meddling and end in a less than pleasing manner.
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WTF!? THAT'S NOT AN ENDING!!! THAT'S A FUCKING QUESTION MARK! They promised they wouldn't do this and they did! Afterward I was waiting for a "next time" spot that will never come. Unless they do a film or 2 hour special we will never know where Vic went with his Desert Eagle and badge.... THAT WAS THE START OF SOMETHING, NOT THE END GODFUCKINGDAMNIT!!!!! I loved this show more than any other and it was perfectly ended until Ryan stuck a turd down my throat at the very, very end.
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WTF!? THAT'S NOT AN ENDING!!! THAT'S A FUCKING QUESTION MARK! They promised they wouldn't do this and they did! Afterward I was waiting for a "next time" spot that will never come. Unless they do a film or 2 hour special we will never know where Vic went with his Desert Eagle and badge.... THAT WAS THE START OF SOMETHING, NOT THE END GODFUCKINGDAMNIT!!!!! I loved this show more than any other and it was perfectly ended until Ryan stuck a turd down my throat at the very, very end.
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We all make mistakes. Anyway, any true fan of The Shield should have found this episode extremely gratifying. Those of you hoping that Dutch was a killer (come on get real) or that Shane, Vic and Ronnie would go out in a blaze of glory apparently haven't understood the show over its run. How unrealistic would it have been for Vic and Shane to even come face to face again? And how unrealistic would it be if all of this stuff with all of these different characters all happens in a nicely wrapped one hour period of real-time? Come on, this ended in classic Shield fashion. Vic snickered before putting the gun in his belt, he is going to do his three years (do them well too I'm sure) and he will go on doing what he does. Ronnie's story may even be more tragic than Shanes! Claudette and Dutch planning that Ronnie arrest in front of Vic to obtain a little bit of 'justice' was brilliant...and perfectly legal. Dutch does deserve his own show but I wouldn't want him to be a know-it-all profiler like some sort of "Horatio CSI Miami". He makes mistakes (remember the girl with her arm cut off?) so he should be a great profiler whose confidence and aggressiveness sometimes leads to terrible consequencs. But this TB is about The Shield. Does anyone have any thoughts about Julien observing the two gay guys entering the restaurant? I liked having Andre campaigning as mayor. It was a typical sub-plot of every Shield episode. Up til the very end I was pulling for Vic to get off so when Claudette said to Vic that he had to pay his bill right away (for breaking the camera), I thought they were going to get him on some other loophole. I just wish Ronnie had found a way out. Man, he is taking 100% of the fall. Dutch's line was the best and perfectly delivered, "Uh, the last THREE YEARS!" The final two espisodes was some of the best TV I have ever seen. The cast really stepped up. Emmy's for all. I knew there would be those comparing this to the Sopranos finale. Not even comparable. This series was wrapped up as neatly as a Shield finale could be considering the tone over its series run. It was GREAT! (I'm glad Cassidy reformed herself and decided not to kill her dad)
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Thanks for a great series, thanks for a great finale... until the the part where Vic grabs his gun and heads off on a fucking mission we'll never get to see! FUCKIN AYE!! Please for the love of god sit down and write a TV special that truly ends Vic's story... you owe it to everyone, most of all yourself, for creating one of the best TV characters ever. If not, then The Shield is still waiting to be topped by another show someday that actually gets it right... to the very END.
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That bit of wisdom Mackey said to Beltran two episodes ago still resonates in my head. I think if you distilled the entire show to a single sentence, that's the one. Shane may be a family annihilator; but so is Vic (among other things). I hated watching Ronnie get collared. Good thing David Rees Snell showed up Sunday night on The Unit. It looked like a possible recurring role (as a terrorist collaborator!) so there's more for him after the Shield. What a ride this show has been! Thank you Ryan, Chiklis and company!
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When Vic hears sirens outside and goes to the window, he looked like he thought that the cops might be coming for him. Plus, leaving with his gun isn't too surprising. He'll be packing heat and looking over his shoulder for years to come. He screwed the blacks, the Mexicans, the cops, and all of his friends and family. His gun is the only thing left that he can trust.
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are just supposing that Vic is going to spend his 3 years doing paper work until he's clear... THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT HAPPENED! When he looked out the window at the cop cars in the street he wanted be out there so bad it was killing him so he decided FUCK IT, grabbed the gun and headed out to do something WE'LL NEVER FUCKING KNOW WHAT, but he sure as hell isn't going to be doing paper work for 3 fucking years, he's not capable of it. He's an animal of the streets that lives for the action so he's outta there. IT'S JUST SAD WE MAY NEVER KNOW WHAT HE DECIDED TO DO INSTEAD OF SIT BEHIND THAT DESK. FUCK!!!
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Vic ain't working that desk job. What an amazing series. Best thing I've ever seen.
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FX ran so many goddamned promos for this show, I wanted to hate it before it even aired. Then, finally, the kickass pilot, ending with the act that would guide the narrative through all seven seasons and define Vic Mackey.If that wasn't enough, you had the Barn (and those never ending phones), populated not by mere scenery, but by three-dimensional characters who had stories of their own. And one can't forget to include the city of LA, a character in its own right.Those of you who expected the obvious ending, neatly tied up in a bow, either haven't been paying attention, or haven't been watching the same show. The finale had enough resolution, and enough ambiguity to be a fitting end. It was true to the show, and every character was true to themselves.Vic was a bastard who ultimately looks out only for number one. Good or bad, he knew himself, and that those two sides could never be reconciled. The only certainties he did have, his family (whom he wept for in the kitchen at the end of S1), and the Strike Team were both victims of his own actions. Shane, his protege who thought he could become even bigger as his own man, struck out only to mess things up badly and require his mentor to save his ass. His failure and the loss of his mentor ultimately doomed himself and his family. Ronnie, the good, reliable solider, found himself burned both literally by a hot stove, and figuratively his leader in the end.A fantastic work from beginning to end, top to bottom.
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a bravo to FX for putting this show on the air, and the people whose work will be ignored again when the gold statues are handed out.
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I'm pretty sure this is not THE END of Vic's story and Ryan is obviously going to sit back on it until they come to him with the deal he wants to give Vic one last hurrah. If that's the case then I guess I can live with those last 15 seconds of Vic grabbing his gun... but if Ryan never writes another word for Vic, then this series came just 15 seconds away form being PERFECT.
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shane im so wrecked now.
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Nov 26, 2008 3:40:45 AM CST
The detractors of this final episode just don't get it.
by thelastcleric
There was nothing ambiguous about the resolution of the main story arch, which began in the very first episode and was ultimately resolved in the very last. I really don’t know where all this blaze of glory bullshit comes from because the show I’ve been watching for the last eight years offered up some extreme scenarios but always tinged those situations with stark, unflinching realism. I will admit the ending left some lingering questions but did people really expect a MASH–like finale where everything was tied up with a pretty ribbon? Truth be told, I actually predicted this ending was a possibility because, as so many of you have pointed out, this fate is far worse than death for Vic. The real agony is the loss of his children and the realization that he may never see them again coupled with the fact that he has been exposed utterly and completely as a crooked, murdering cop. In my estimation, turning the final episode into a Michael Bay film would have been the real travesty and instead Ryan and his writers delivered something far more profound. It’s interesting to me that some people are complaining about the scene where Vic is sitting at his cubicle when, for my money, that was one of the most emotionally resonate scenes I have ever seen in film or TV. The Shield ended the way it began: perfect, brilliant and engaging. How anybody can feel letdown or claim the finale was ambiguous when the Strike Team has been literally blown apart is beyond me. A great ending to what may be the single finest show to ever grace the medium.
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And everyone else who worked on this great show.
I'm actually glad it went out on a high note, instead of dragging it out and letting it jump the shark or fizzle out like you know it would. -
Interesting to learn that Billing's "bitch dyke" lawyer is the real life wife of Dutch.
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Was I the only one hoping Vic to kick the shit out of Dutch after he ripped the camera off the wall?I hate that prick!
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Dear David Chase,
This was the way to finish a series... Unless you hate your viewers. This finale was pitch perfect, I felt like a dick for rooting for Mackey throughout the series, I finally got to see shane and his harpy of a wife die (sorry Jackson) and Claudette rubbed Vic's nose in his giant turd that he created. Loved it. Thank you Shawn Ryan and everyone else responsible for this fucking aw some series.... and thank you for not making me feel like an asshole for taking this journey with you like I did when the Sopranos, X-files and Seinfeld ended. -
But the first couple of seasons were always the best for my money. When the strike team was actually doing the strike team thing most of the time.
Then it became ever more convoluted (but still pretty enjoyable) ways of putting the members of the strike team in and out of bigger and more complicated jackpots.
Course if you were to take it at face value allowing Vic his freedom after all he's done shows you that he IS the biggest shark in the pool and could always get out of any tight spot no matter who or what gets in his way or the sacrifice he has to make.
"We shot a cop" as Shane said to Vic so powerfully. Vic could easily live with it and in fact got away with murdering a cop. No two ways about that.
Sure he ends up in a humiliating desk job but he shot a cop. Yes he lost the family too but 3 years in a desk job for all the shit he pulled was a miraculous escape.
Ronnie was as much a casualty of Vics cold blooded selfishness as Lem was of Shane.
Shane was doomed long ago and that part at least had the finality and end the character demanded. It felt right even though it was incredibly fucked up. Ultimately Shane just couldn't manage alone without Vic and he always knew it.
Frankly I don't know if having Vic shot or jailed would have been that much better, more dramtic ? definitely. But Vic is, above everything else, a survivor.
And if the show had a flaw and something that had to be played out to the end we saw, it was that The Shield was to a fair degree the Vic Mackey show. Everything revolved around him.
I also get the feeling those involved in the show and Chicklis want to "keep their options open" so we see a beaten down Vic publicly betray Lem and emasculated in a cubicle pull himself together grab his Gun and set out to....
Use every spare minute and resource to find his family ? Use his street connections and Aceveda to make sure Ronnie is ok and try and get him a deal or out of jail somehow ? Or just stride into the night to bust a few heads of the dealers and gangbangers on the street to let off steam ?
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Fuck HBO, The Sopranos and especially The Wire's endings aint got shit on the Shield. I somewhat predicted that Shane would off himself since he was running out of options, but taking out his family was a bonus. Glad that bitch Mara is dead, man was she annoying.And the additional mindfucks would be:The scene between Claudette and Vic (6 seconds of silence) leading to Ronnie's arrest after Claudette says "your first payment is due now" Holyyy sheeeet!It's a pyric victory for wymms as she got satisfaction by piising off Vic but confessed to Dutch inevitable fate.They could have done without Andre 2000's character as I saw him of a parody of Jesse Jackson and Johnny Cochran, shit I would rather see the return of Antwon Mitchell as Ronnie becomes his new Bitch. Chiklis, Goggins and especially Karnes deserve an Emmy the ending was better than I expected and the final minutes said it all; Mackey evaded Prison, but his fate may seem worse than death himself never to see his family again, the betrayal of Gardocki and a shitty desk jocky gig.Would a Movie ever come to light since our "Hero" is still alive, or is this finally the end?Thanks Ryan for putting together one of the best dramas in television.Just another day.
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....I saw it as Vic seeing the cars with sirens wailing,thinking`fuck this` and putting on his gun to go get involved,regardless of consequence,as he couldnt bare the thought of sitting a desk for 3 years.
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If we've learned anything about VM, we've learned that he's not stupid. He's not about to jeopardize his immunity deal with ICE just to try to get his rocks off.
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I said Vic would walk away with a badge of some sort (local or federal) and I was right.
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solid episode. good ending. i miss the show already, unlike the sopranos ending which left me wondering why i spent 7 years watching the show.
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Otherwise why would he have setup the pictures of his family at his desk. Nope, Vic will play their game long enough to figure out a scheme.
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it's open enough for everyone to see something different in it. on the grid, off the grid, dead, alive, in handcuffs, in a living purgatory etc..
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Claudette reading Shane's suicide note to Vic at the Barn. Damn scene made me weep.CCH Pounder did some incredible work during the fianl season.
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Missed seeing her for a while. Karnes got his wife a guest shot in the finale. Lucky SOB gets to go home to her at night.
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Growling & scowling isn't acting despite what Chiklis and Keiffer Sutherland think. Goggins was electrifying to watch, Chiklis not so much. Great show overall though.
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What a great way to end the series. IMHO, the ending was perfect and very fitting. I guess some people weren't going to be satisfied with the ending, call it a "?" ending, a Sopranos ending, with any outcome other than Vic dead or in jail. I'm glad Shawn Ryan didn't bite. Vic did get his in the end - maybe not jail, but his own personal hell - a job he is trapped in that he hates, no friends, no family, just memories and pictures. And the scene with the gun at the end just showed that they can take Vic's badge, they can take him off the street, but Vic will always be a cop (dirty or otherwise) at heart - they can't take that away from him no matter what. But I wonder what he really thought would happen - did he really think ICE would let a confessed cop killer run around loose on the streets? No way. The phone call between Vic and Shane was perfect. So too was Ronnie's arrest scene (David Rees Snell's acting here was terrific - never seen Ronnie so enraged or angry or anything even close to that). And when Vic comes to the barn to find Ronnie in tears and its over Shane killing himself, after Ronnie, moreso even than Vic, stuck to his guns about getting revenge on Shane. Shane offing himself and his whole family - I did think suicide was a possibility but man oh man, he took out his own kid and his pregnant wife. What was he thinking? His kid is better off dead than in foster care? On the other hand, the whole bit about four major characters dying? WTF? Shane, sure, he's major. And I argued earlier in this TB that Mara was major as well. But Jackson? And Andre 3000? My one complaint is that the whole thing with Lloyd should have come to a better conclusion, instead of Claudette giving the "I've been doing this a long time, I can read you and I know you're guilty" speech for the umpteenth time during the series.
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On a note aside from Dutch and the Strike Team, CCH Pounder did some great acting in this series. Claudette Wyms was a fantastic character, tough and honest, sympathetic and street-smart, righteously funny with an I've-been-though-the-shit-but-won't-fall-into-it chin-up attitude, all the way through. Gotta respect a woman like that, and her teary eyed "You just keep doing what friends do," plea to Dutch near the end had my heart melting.
Strangely, she'll likely be the character from The Shield I miss the most.
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I think you misinterpreted that ending a little bit. Vic didn't cry because he keeps pushing everything back down. There were a couple of moments during the episode where he was on the verge of tears and you could see him willfully pushing it away, trying to avoid his emotions and his guilt. It's his coping mechanism. It's how he survives.
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Seeing Ronnie get arrested like that was almost harder than seeing Shane's family - Shane was always a scumbag and had it coming. Ronnie mostly went along for the sake of the team...even worse, he wanted to run and Vic talked him out of it.
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Dunder-Mifflin is getting a new salesman! Look out Dwight and Jim!
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...I think that says a lot about you. This was a great series finale. I agree with one talkbacker who says that Vic is a sociopath. The finale proved it. Vic has, and will always be just looking out for himself. All his talk about "the team" and his family was bullshit. When push comes to shove, Vic only cares about Vic. He's not going to find his family at the end of the episode, or join the other cops. If Vic ever gets reunited with is kids it'll be because THEY try to find him. He's not going to do anything except mope and talk about what a bum rap he's gotten. Because, when it comes to people other than himself that's what he is; all talk. I agree with the talkbacker who says that Vic taking his gun is just him rebeling. Almost like a child. The whole purpose of this show was to demostarte how bad people get away with everything, because they're bad. Vic is rotten, all the way through. So, his biggest "punishment" is a cushy desk job. He's not depressed or sad about where he's ended up. That was the whole point of him smiling at the end. He got away with it. The only reason why Dutch didn't get brought down for being good is because he's smart and has a REAL friend in Claudette (A real friend is someone who tells you when you've fucked up, like she does to him about Billings, not one who covers for you, like the strike team). Billings is just as corrupt as Vic, but, is too lazy and ignorant to be as bad as him. Ronnie has always been a follower, and Vic's a leader; the follower is the one who always goes down, not the leader. Shane tried to change, but he's not as smart as Dutch and lost all his supposed "friends". Corrine has always been weak (i.e. taking Kavanaugh's gum), has always depended on others to take care of her. Now the police are taking care of her. "The Shield" meant the protection that bad people get in our society. The only reason why some bad people don't get protection is because they don't have the right one.
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It's funny, because he's clearly been a bad guy since the very beginning, but right up until this episode I, like most people, always wanted to see him get away with his acts. I think it was the final call with Shane that tipped him over the edge.
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Justice demands it!
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Shane is dead, Ronnie gets fucked, Vince loses his kids and is chained to a desk. Everyone got what they deserved I guess. Vic's fate was one of my predictions! However I was also thinking that they'd kill his daughter but by the family being moved - they might as well be dead to Vic. Wow. So sad to see this show go away but what a nice way to end a show. Bravo to Team Shield
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I think at the end when he got his gun he was going to the shooting that the other cops of the Barn were ordered to. Either that or he's going out for some vigilante street justice.
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That's worse than prison. Plus he has a she-wolf as a superior who hates him. Which was just like working at the Barn under Wymms only this time Vic is strapped to a desk.
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I'm pretty damn satisfied with the finale and LOVE this series to death. Everything came to an end perfectly as it should, except I wish they would have gone with Ryan's scripted final moment. They should have ended it with Vic trapped in his cubicle, all alone in the cage he built himself and living with the fact he fucked over everyone he ever cared about. That would have been all the justice he deserved with out some silly 'blaze of glory' or prison sentence. Cutting out on his eyes in that last scene at his desk would have been PERFECT, but they couldn't do it perfect and sent him off with a gat in his pants on a mission we may never see resolved... bummed about that. I'm sure Chiklis is the one who threw that on as a producer and made it stick. He couldn't end his character in purgatory like he should have... maybe a burst of ego? I will always love this show and the characters, but if there is never another filmed second of Vic Mackey then for myself I'll just imagine he never grabbed his gun and is still sitting behind that desk like a bitch until he either shoots himself or drinks himself to death. RIP Shane! and poor fucking Ronnie!!! I hope all these actors go on to do great things in the future, they are clearly capable of some awesome characters... GOD I LOVED THIS SHOW!!!
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Ronnie will be kept in his cell 23 out of 24 hours. When out he'll either be closely watched or the prison guards may turn their back if Mitchell's soldiers try to shiv him. Prison guards aren't likely to risk their health for a man involved in killing a cop. Poor Ronnie.
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We know it was a great show because everyone is still talking about what happened AFTER the end credits rolled -because we really cared about these characters -they were real to us. I see people talking about what will happen to Ronnie in prison, what will happen to Dutch and Claudette and of course what direction Vic is heading in.
This is what makes great tv.
Shows like LOST (that I am kind of over) or even HEROES (which I am still trying very hard to like) if those 2 shows never came on again I would never think Of Jack and Kate on the island in LOST or what happened to Claire or Peter from the future on HEROES again.
Standing ovation to The Shield. I cried a little last night because I am going to miss that show so much. The part with Shane and his family killed me too, then to see at the end that even after Vic had lost everything and everyone -he still "didn't get it" and was going back out on the streets with his gun tucked away to serve out his brand of twisted justice.
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First the quote from The Maxx about Cheers ending applied to this finale more than anything in recent memory.
But, Vic won.
Sure Vic is a rat bastard but he won.
Vic took his gun and smiled because he HAD A PLAN!
No matter how bad shit goes Vic ALWAYS has a plan.
Black guy getting shot was Davids plan.
It illustrated just how alike he and Vic are.
Sure he has more deniability, but overall he is just as dirty.
We love Vic, just as we love Profit, because they ARE BAD PEOPLE. They succeed by doing what we can't or won't we will never cross those lines. They see those lines as just a minor distraction and work around it.
In the end Vic won and is planning his next move and like Robert Mitchum in Night of the Hunter searching for the money filled doll Vic will track his family ALL his family until he finds them. That includes Danni's kid.
I liked the subtlety with Julian and Danni blowing out the candle. And the Steve Billings accommodation posted outside the break room.
Everyone continues along in their petty pace but VIC WINS!
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The Shield may not be as well known as Sopranos or LOST, but mark my words, over time and with it's life on DVD it will emerge as the best TV drama ever. I, for one, will be spreading the word forever for people to start from the 1st episode on DVD and watch them get fucking HOOKED until the last second with Vic at that desk... and every single one of them will thank me.!
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Nov 26, 2008 11:02:57 AM CST
Season 6 was kind of boring filler
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
season 6 to mid season 7 could have been condensed together. A lot of it's unneccessary. People who complain about the Sopranos ending and this one especially are incapable of considering even the idea of having to think on what they just saw and put forth their own ideas on what they saw for even a minute. Everything's got to a have a pat resolution and in this post-24 tv world half the cast has to be killed off. That's a conclusion according to you basement dwelling real life experience challenged knuckle dragging dipshits.
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and THE WIRE = THE THIN RED LINE. At least in tones. Both great shows, but for me I have to give the edge to The Shield. GODDAMN I LOVE GREAT TV!!!
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Because despite his many sins, the real Vic is a ballsy, loyal guy who has put his own ass on the line countless times to help others, even when doing so places him in harm’s way. The entire crux of The Shield and his character is that Vic isn’t an entirely bad man and it was actually his loyalty and his integrity that led to his downfall. Consider for example his decision not to kill Shane in season 4 when he had him dead to rights. Had Vic pulled the trigger then and there, the rest of his problems would have dissolved. You can also carry that loyalty over to this last season, where Vic actually tried to stop Shane’s murder and blames himself for what Shane has become. Or what about the end of season 2 when Vic was literally about to confess his transgressions to keep that psychopathic gangster from getting away? Sorry, but I don’t subscribe to the notion of Vic as the sociopath; a narcissistic asshole who only cares about himself. The man clearly places his own well being as a high priority but at the same time he has shown his own willingness to go down or risk his neck to save the team. His decision to sell-out Ronnie, while gut wrenching, was necessitated by the one thing that trumped his friendship: his family and the safety of his kids. The look of shame on his face and his feeble attempt to justify his betrayal to Ronnie illustrates just how much that choice hurt him emotionally, specifically because he betrayed his own code at the very end. Vic is such an engaging character because despite the murders, thievery and abuse of his station, the deeper nuances of his very human self continue to show us that there was a decent human being buried under all of the shit. Vic spent most of his life as a cop on the straight and narrow but once he crossed the line and found the shortcut to be gratifying, he simply kept steeping over lines until the boundaries simply ceased being visible. As others have pointed out, the real theme of this show and this finale is tragedy. Vic was a good man who did some very bad shit and then justified his actions until the integrity of his façade came crashing down around him and systematically destroyed everyone he cared about. The true sociopath was Shane; a hedonist and thug who was so selfish at the end that he killed his entire family on his way out.
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One of the major premises found in THIRTEEN is the feminization of the male. That these genetic throwbacks were men as they were meant to be and not as society has devolved men.
Vic, Dexter, Jim Profit all represent men as strong successful males who achieve their goals according to their own terms.
Sure there are rules, but ONLY rules designed to protect themselves. And by extension their families and friends.
But mainly themselves.
All their actions are read blooded meat eating male survival traits at their best.
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Nov 26, 2008 11:49:32 AM CST
TheLastCleric, Real life Shane I knew did same thing.
by evilwizardglick
I knew a guy who held his family hostage. His gf was going to leave him and take their child.
He slit her throat, killed his son and himself. She lived, I saw her a few years later with that big glaring scar.
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And a big head shake and a holy fuck regarding that real life Shane. I can't even imagine how that woman carries on, day by day.
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First off, hats off to You Tube poster Symbiotell, for his dedicated and prompt posting of The Shield these past 6 months......a big fucky you to Fake Symbiotell, who tricked by 5:00 AM eyes to watch the last 20 minutes first. Uncool dude..........a special admiration and respect for Jay Karnes nabbing MILFY Wendy Campbell, a deft comic actrss who should have had Tea Leoni's career, both onscreen and off......what I liked the most: the facial expressions; no other show has put to better use a group of actors who can say something profund without ever opening their mouths, from Billings' shit eating grin upon Dutch being a suspect to Mackey realizing he will be nothing more than Dilbert to Aceveda silently stinging from Claudette's dig at "pushing your way through" to Dutch holding back tears at Claudette's revelation that she isn't long for this world; I'm not sure I would put Chicklis above Hamm for an emmy, but Goggins has no competition for supporting actor, NONE.....what irked me: I would expect schmaltz and sentiminalism from Garry Marshall or Gary David GOldberg, but Shawn Ryan? The end credit were either a pitiful attempt at the Stephen J. Cannell Hunter montages or mistankley spliced in a 1980 Barbara Mandrell special for kicks, either way, it sucked, and he should know better...Overall, I was a bit disappointed, but I think it has more to do with the brilliance with the preceding episodes than any overall lack of substance. As for as the crime genre finale goes, I would put it below Wire and Sopranos, and even a notch below the Homicide (admittely bad final season) finale. For an overall theme or lesson learned, the worst bad guy that tranforms well meaning men into unredeemable monsters--from Mackey to Vandrell to Kellerman to McNaulty--and will continue to do so until someone brave in power owns up to it(and it won't be Obama, though he knoows better, is the War on Drugs. Cheers to Ryan and FX...
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Am I the only one who didn't read into the ending as a Vic on a mission? I see it simply as Vic going home for the night, to prepare for the next day of his desk job, and grabbing his gun is the only thing that makes him feel himself. Nothing more folks, no secret rogue mission. Just time to go home for the night.
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I agree. I think that was Vic's way of bucking the system that he now finds himself in.
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I thought 4 major characters were gonna die?
I wouldn't count shanes wife and kid as a major character.
I also wouldn't count the guy trying to be mayor a major either.
But i did love the ending.
Poor ronnie, He should have seen it coming.
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Bad Motherfucker.
Sad to see this show go, the quality week in and week out was amazing. The new Walton Goggins FX show is certainly a must see after his emotional tour de force as Shane - just an amazing and bleak performance - MUST WIN THE EMMY.
And ol' Vic just keeps pluggin along. I wonder what he'll do next. I have to admit, I rooted for Vic every week to sqirm loose of the jams the strike team largely made for themselves, but the last few weeks I was clearly rooting against him, and rooting for Shane to get away with his family intact.
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and can proclaim with great certainty that it has *nothing* on 'the wire.' yep... hater in the houuuuuuuse!
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...he'll find the biggest loser in the office and threaten to expose him for taking home company supplies unless he makes Vic a lunch every day. Or he'll sweet take his way into some lonely milf's pants and have her make his lunch. VIC LIVES ON!!!
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I like to think Vic headed off with gun in hand to bust him out... :) Great finale.
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would have been just as a fitting name for this show, GOD i wish people were witty enough to pull of conversations like that in reality. the whirlwind punnery will be missed.
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Guys, the last EP just made me cry twice. a fuckin' 7 years blowing experience came to an end. Shane's part torn my heart as Ronnie's ending just sliced my guts. I still believe Ronnie and lem were the two of the strike team that didn't deserve what happened to them. Fuck! this was the best show EVER for the past two decades. I'm allready missing it. Thanks mister Ryan, Rees Snell, Goggins, Chiklis and every one involved in the show, for having brought to us this fine piece of modern tragedy. Lights off.
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It was weak, I thought. Very anti-climactic. I figured Shane was going to do what he did.
The ending with Dutch's case was very unsatisfying. Same with Ronnie's situation. And I saw no reason for Danni to come back for the last two episodes or whatever.
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Tch. "Mastermind"? Ryan let one of TV's greatest characters go out like a bitch. Awww, so I'm supposed to believe Mackey's .44 Desert Eagle-armed night outing on his first day on the new job's supposed to be a regular thing. No barn. A boss that has him lock his gun during the day. A cubicle where everyone can see you. Right. No wonder they ended it here. All that's left is a situation comedy, if Mackey's lucky.
Tony S.? He had to watch his gang die. Yeah, he choked out Chrissy, but, Mr. "Cleaver" was a bitch, too, and woulda' turned state's evidence just to sweep the floors in a Hollywood lot. You didn't see HIM giving up anyone. And he gets to continue on being boss, now that the New York gang's pretty much castrated.
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Here's what I thought of those final moments, since they seem to be the biggest problem some people had with the episode.
Vic sits at his new desk, contemplating all the horrible things he's done and the things he's lost to gain his freedom. His steely reserve is starting to crumble, and then the lights shut off, snapping him out of it. He pushes his feelings back down to some dark part of himself, retrieves his personal weapon from the lock box, and realizes that no matter what, he's free. He's not going out on some vigilante mission. He's just starting to come to grips with the fact that he's gotten away with everything, and despite everything he's lost, he still has his freedom. He can wait out ICE's 3 year contract, and then his life will be his again.
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I wasn't expecting a big gunfight or anything like that, but I thought it'd be a little shocking.
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The part near the end, in the station, when everyone's staring at him. I REALLY don't think he's gotten away with ANYTHING. He's only gotten immunity -- how many times have we seen someone get "immunity" on TV or in real life and didn't even take a nanosecond to get hit by the hogwash? THAT's Mackey's problem. You think the drug dealers out there ain't gonna know 'bout the corrupt cop who sold out his crew? THAT's Mackey's problem, now.
Like I said. Situation comedy. Maybe FX can get away with a 1/2 hour show called "The ICE Office."
"The Sopranos" last ep'll make more sense to the unfaithful once you see more suck endings to what started out as great shows. -
Cheesy 80's Music and the Black screen followed by credits.Uh, "Wow"> Onion Rings, FTW!
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The following takes place before "24: Redemption":
OPENING SCENE, first episode.
Vic: [arrives in ICE office, 2nd full day on job, has coat jacket on -- suit from final episode of "The Shield" -- snug as if to ensure the veil of an item on his person, yawns, sits at desk].
Agent Olivia Murray: [walks up to Vic's semi-cubicle as soon he sits down] "Vic! That report on the local L.A. gangs. From yesterday. I told you that I needed that yesterday by 6."
Vic: [1/2 yawns. Creases forehead, scowls to himself. Opens desk drawer, takes out a squared 8"x11" white colored item and hands it to Olivia who reluctantly grabs the item]
Olivia: [now holding what looks like a tightly wrapped package of cocaine. Sighs]. Vic . . . [Vic looks up from desk, widens eyes]
[insert laugh trax]
Vic: "oh! [grabs back cocaine packet] [insert laugh trax] Sorry, uh . . . by lunch? [Smooths out lapels on his suit] See, uh, I don't have to go back home at lunch today to change, I [insert laugh trax] . . ."
Olivia: [interrupts abruptly] By NOON, Vic!!!! [insert laugh trax] [Olivia turns to leave]
Vic: [raises hand, as if new kid in school] "Uh, one thing Olivia, I, uh, read the bulletin board announcements in the elevator on the way in this morning and, uh . . ."
Olivia: [smiles, as if impressed] "oh, yes? And?"
Vic: "Well, uh, you know, I see this guy we . . .
Olivia: "good, good boy, Vic, you're becoming a team player."
Vic: [interrupts] "well, yeah, I, uh, you know, 2nd nature, the whole clubhouse thing from before. [insert laugh trax] But, uh, this guy we, all of us are being told to look for. This guy, Jack Bauer . . ."
Olivia: "yes, yes, do you have some analysis that you can compose?" [insert laugh trax]
Vic: "Well, uh, you know, I was thinking . . . maybe I can FIND this guy . . ." [insert laugh trax]
Olivia: "Oh, Vic! Report. L.A. gang movment. My desk. By noon!" [insert laugh trax]
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-Vic does his three years with ICE no problem. Keeps his nose clean leaves with a full pardon.
-Vic joins up with some mercenary company like Blackwater and goes to Afghanistan.
After a couple of years in Afghanistan Vic is back on top. He has assembled a new gang made out of ex-special forces. He is skimming millions off of the heroin trade.
-Just one thing bothers him he doesn't have his family.
Vic takes his money and his new "Strike Team" back to the States to hunt for his family. He finds them and kidnaps them but, something goes wrong and and there is a big shootout alerting the FBI to Vic's activities.
-Meanwhile Dutch is now an FBI agent. Claudette has made him swear on her death bed to make sure Vic never gets near his family again.
-Dutch gets Ronnie out on a furlough because he knows how Vic thinks and they begin chasing Vic.
Acevada is now Mayor of L.A. and is running for Governor. Vic uses the picture he still has of Acevada sucking dick to blackmail Acevada into helping him get out of the country with his family and team.
Let Shawn Ryan write the ending.
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That's more or less how it came out. While he had to suffer regarding his friends and family, in the end, he's still the same old Vic Mackey. No turning point, no point of ephiany, etc.
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Or is that part of the Shield alternate universe as well?
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No, not at all. Not even a little bit. One of you guys said the cat episode "planted the seeds" of him being a serial killer. You seriously need to re-watch that episode because you completely did not understand it. When Dutch killed the cat, the look of disgust on his face was about feeling duped by the freak who convinced him that he would "see something" in the cat's face as it died. He didn't see anything; he was scammed by a sociopath, and he was as disgusted with himself as he was over what he'd done to the cat.
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he was as disgusted with himself FOR FALLING FOR IT as he was over what he'd done to the cat.
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Vic going out like a superhero with guns blazing would have been too easy. And if you really think about it, Vic is anything but a bitch. He killed several people, including a cop, stole millions of dollars and broke countless laws and his punishment is a sixty thousand dollar a year job where he sits at a desk even as the rest of his team is dead or in jail. Technicaly speaking, Vic bests all of his enemies and still comes out on top. The tragic part is that despite winning, he's essentially lost everything that was valuable to him, including his family, which provided the justification for many of his actions. The ending is brilliant and based on some of the alternate ideas being dropped here, it's obvious the correct people wrote the finale.
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People are making a big deal about the gun, but Lady ATF said to Vic earlier: "put it in a lockbox or take it home." Vic, who is probably not about to go ANYWHERE without a gun right now, was taking it out of the lockbox at the end of the day. Period.
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I almost felt sorry for the bastid. Gotta admit that scene was a shocker and once I heard him mention the words; "family meeting"
I knew it would be over for them. Running out of options, suicide would be a "feasible " option.To the poster that questioned Chiklis' acting skills, obviously didn't pay attention to the scene in the barn's interrogation room as he looked at shane's crime scene photos knowing that his thirst for revenge went too far as it caused the deaths of two children. Holding back the tears only to turn into rage was priceless. Like I said, sopranos and the wire's finales don't have shit on the shield..It was very bittersweet and unforgettable.
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I can't wait for the inevitable movie , no way do they really end the Vic Mackey story with so many story threads that can be pulled on...heck there is 3 2 hour movies worth of material that can still be delved into if they chose to. Getting Ronnie out , finding his family , the barn has 2 or 3 storys worth following and Acevadas future..all I really care about is Vic making it right with Ronnie and him finding his family. The way it ended with him not being able to ever see his family again was perfect..the way that ICE agent turned on him after he told her what he had done was also beautifully done. She truly hated him even though he saved her ass and got her back those files...she forgets that she was ready to commit crimes for that fucker who had those files should he have called on her. Vic saved her from that. She did a nice job with that role. I am sad to see this show go , real sad.
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Other means of "income" because 62K doesn't go very far in LA. But then again, I guess he doesn't have to worry about child support (unless he somehow ends up paying Danni for their son).
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Nov 26, 2008 6:19:42 PM CST
Maybe his taking the gun at the end foreshadows his inevitable b
by chimpjnr
Carrying the gun and breaking the law is a fundamental part of Vic, and sticking him in a two piece suit and sitting him in an office won't change that. Perhaps he'll be picked up in the possession of his gun and that in itself will nulify the agreement. Alternatively, maybe his taking the gun suggests that he knows that he is always going to have to be watching his back from now on.
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After Shane concedes that Vic squealed to the feds, one would think he is sharp enough to call Ronnie and ask "Hey, Ronnie, did you know Vic has immunity"...Then Shane hears the sound of dead air and a barely audible "Mexico."
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Let's face it. Vic's not going to stay chained to a desk. All they have on Ronnie is Vic's confession, and since Vic won't be around to testify, it is all hearsay. They can't prove any of it is true. There's no money train evidence. He wasn't there when Vic killed Terry. They may get him on something, but he's not going away forever.
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im not going to go into how awesome it was or what shouldve happened,just a cplquestions. just by vic confessing what they did,how is that enough to put ronnie away for life?if ronnie denies it its his word vs vic,there is no hard evidence to any of it,just vic,in order to convict dont u need more evidence? also,when confessing,if vic would have said me and shane did this me and shane did that,couldnt that have kept ronnie out also?
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I was thinking the exact same thing,, he could have just stated, I killed Crowley, I killed the mexican, I stole money from the Armenians etc.... This was totally about Vics admissions and immunity for crimes HE committed,,, he didn't have to drag in the kitchen sink. BUT having said that, I feel that it was more of a confession for cathartic reasons. He had to unload a literal ton of shit hanging on his head to ease whatever conscience he had. You would have thought that with all of the planning and scheming he had masterminded, that this would have been a walk in the park to do. Plot drop? Nitpick? If I was in that situation would I be thinking straight or would I just want to get the immunity deal to save my family? I don't know...
SIDE NOTE: Ronnie was arrested on circumstantial evidence, hearsay at best unless the Dets. find hard evidence or other witnesses. Since both Lem and Shane are dead, it's his word vs Vics. In the land of LA OJ courts, maybe a long trial and eventual acquittal for insufficient evidence very likely could happen. That's how I'm ending it for me... What happens when he is eventually acquitted? Would make for a good stand alone.. -
last week ICE lady said "you've given us enough on Gardocki to put him away for life," when she should have said "enough on Gardocki AND Vendrel." Maybe she just figured he was going to kill himself ... But I don't think it's unrealistic that he wouldn't have called Ronnie. They way Vic told Shane implied that Vic and Ronnie had the same deal with the Feds.
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This whole story was inspired by real events in the LAPD gang-tasked CRASH Unit in the 1990's, and some of those guys are doing hard time. One of the supposed worst of the lot, Rafael Perez made a deal for five years and immunity from further prosecution in exchange for testimony that convicted several cops and implicated dozens more. Check out the wikipedia article Rampart Scandal: http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Rampart_Scandal The pilot was originally called "Rampart," and the real-life ringleader's last name was Mack.
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I actually live in the Rampart District (most parts of which are not nearly as bad as you might think from watching the show), and the scandal was so bad that they can't even call it the Rampart District anymore. Now the cops call it Northeast.
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Dead-on perfect ending for Vic: in his own personal hell, paying for his sins, all by himself. Killing him or putting him jail would make the last 8 years a waste. He had to live, have his freedom, but do his penance. Well done, Mr. Ryan.
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The points made by Groovius and the Bauers make me want to see a bill of particulars that Ronnie Gardocki could actually be tried for. The Emmy-for-Goggins people are right: that scene between Shane and the Asian checkout girl was absolutely heart-wrenching. The scene where Shane tried to replicate a conversation he could have had with his daughter Franny just tore me open. Best show ever.
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a good lawyer, he'll be fine.
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I remember hearing that the original title of the show was "Rampart", is that true?
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I've seen people refer to the show going back 8 years, but it started in 2002 (six years), right? And the actual internal timeline on the show is 3 years?
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Nevermind 300 monkeys, I saw your previous post about the title.
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You (we) all want Vic to continue to be Vic and kick ass and throw the rules away and that ending was supposed to show us what... that Vic says "Fuck it" to the deskjob, grabs her personal gun and heads out to fight crime?
People... get off the meth, it's fucking your minds up. He's not a cop anymore. His immunity deal is very clear; do as you are told and don't fuck up OR you WILL be prosecuted for EVERYTHING you've ever done! And, as a cop killer, among other things, the feds are gonna go HARD on him. This desperate idea that he decides to going back to being some kinda of anti-hero? Face it, not gonna happen. The BEST he could hope for is to turn into a rogue vigilantee with cops and feds chasing him down until he eats a bullet like Shane did.
How cheezy to spend nothing but a few seconds on Ronnies demise. Remember how crazy insane and for how long Vic just went on and on and on and fucking on about Lem and blah Lem blah blah Lem Lem, blah blah - but now Ronnie (who was a better friend then Lem ever was) meh... so long sucks to be you. Give me a farking break.
And, what, lets not reveal anything about Dutches big serial killer case?
And lets not resolve the captains obvious upcoming death?
And, how abouts we just forget about Dani and Vics love child.
And Aceveda, who knows, Mayor maybe, maybe not.
This series final closed up the Shane loop. That's all it resolved. That's it. This should have happened in the first 30 minutes, the next 30 dealing with Ronnie and Vic and the last 30 finishing up all the other characters. I stand by my call, me and the 4 others folks who all came over to watch what we were sure was going to be the greatest finale ever to a show we LOVE we utterly disappointed. If there is a "sequel" we will not be watching it. I'm tired of tough guy baldy goin all weak in the knees as soon as his kids are mentioned and all the pouting... it's just not becoming.
Ronnie and Vic in a shootout - that's how it should have gone down. Hell, hows about Vic shoots Ronnie trying to make it look like Beltran did it but, then Claudette shoots Vic knowing she'll never make it past trial and into jail but at least she gets her wish. And Dutch makes it to captain. Billings gets run over by the sex offender guy he messed with. And the little latino hottie gets knocked up by the big black dude. Now we're talkin! -
No, but I did stay at a holiday inn express once,,,,
http://cyb3rcrim3.blogspot.com/2008/10/not-hearsay.html
http://cyb3rcrim3.blogspot.com/2008/11/too-much-hearsay.html -
http://law.mongabay.com/news/Hearsay_Rule.html
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Save Three Sheets! All hail Zane Lamprey!
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Save Three Sheets! All hail Zane Lamprey!
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How exactly did Vic win? Sue he didn't got to jail but he lost everything that was important to him in the process and is now chained to a desk for the next 3 years. Vic lost and dragged everyone he was close to down with him.
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Long Time Ago by Concrete Blonde from their Walking in London CD.
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Drestin Black, I think your ideas for how the show should've ended are silly, idiotic, and juvenile. You didn't like the finale, that's fine. Not everybody did. But to say that Vic and Ronnie should've ended it in a shootout? That Dutch should've made it to captain? That Claudette should've shot Vic? What else, that Dracula shows up and gets drunk with undead Lem? That The Hulk picks up a van and smashes it through The Barn? That Vic takes on Jack Bauer in an epic cross-promotion?
I realize you were being facetious with some of your suggestions, but I'm not sure which ones.
Thus I'm calling all your suggestions silly, idiotic, and juvenile. I mean, for someone who claims he loves the show, did you even watch an episode before seeing that finale? I'm not sure you did. -
Cyb3rcrim3 is an interesting site, thanks!
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Vick Could have warned him BEFORE he went back to ICE and asked for the solo-deal. There was no reason to bring him down, he could have warned him and Ronnie could have started his run.
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That a statemtent qualifies as "hearsay" if the person who originally made said statement is not available to be cross examined. Everything that Vic confessed to can be qualified/coroborated by others, so it should be able to be admitted, if the prosecutor knows his shit.
Also, immunity deals cannot be offered by L.E. agencies. They have to come from the prosecuting body itself. Therefore, I.C.E. shouln't be able to offer the immunity, the federal prosecutor has to offer it. Now, an agancey can work with a prosecutor to offer immunity to an individual, but ultimately, the prosecution must fully back the offer before it can even be made. ALso, immunity is usually granted for a very specific crime. You're rarely, if ever going to see "blanket immunity" like what was given to Vic just hammer a couple of people. ALso, everything that Vic gave up on everyone else is simply a STARTING POINT for investigation into specific charges. They would still have to develop some sort of independant evidence that further substantiated Vic's claims.
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Interesting stuff. Yeah, that "blanket immunity" offer came off as really unrealistic (and stupidly irresponsible) even for people like me who just know this stuff from Law & Order reruns, lol
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Of course we know ICE can't give immunity, and you'll never see a "blanket immunity". But this is T.V. I think it would have been a better ending if Vic and Ronnie had pulled a fast one on everybody and made off with a huge stash of cash. The last scene would have been them sipping Pina coladas on an island beach somewhere. I too wish they would have rapped up the serial killer tangent.
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there are points in the ending I don't like but all in all it's great. Shane realized how far everything had gone, couldn't figure a way out so turned to Vic for help (via blackmail) when that failed well, he didn't see any choices. Ronnie was never innocent, so it's not like he didn't deserve to serve time. And the stories for Dutch, Claudette, Julien, Aceveda, etc are certainly given a direction, there's no way everything can tie up cleanly in the end... As for Vic, he did get what he deserved, to be left alone to consider all the shit he did and people he hurt. When he smiles ot grab the gun I think it's just him smirking at how he fucked himself and where he ended up, he's nothing on the street anymore. He has no power anywhere and no one left on his side at all. I wish it would go on, but it was still a good end.What the hell am I going to watch now though?
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Fuck you. Someone asked if anyone with legal knowledge could speak up, so I did.
I know it's a fucking tv show, and that's why I didn't say anything until someone asked.
I think it was Julius Dithers.
Read the fucking posts before you go off half-cocked, asshole.
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Essentially, both deal with the same type of character. I am interested in how both ended. They both leave you wondering exactly what will happen. yet, I have a better sense of finality with "The Shield." I think the ending for Mackey was brilliant. The shame and embarrassment that the viewer felt for Vic as he walks down the hall in the suit was tremendous acting. Chiklis and Coggins both deserve emmys for their acting in this episode. A great ending to a great series.
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Vic was off to get leverage on Olivia again...likely seeking out Pezuella and than to whoever/whatever would give him the best means of accomplishing that.
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His picking up the gun symbolizes that he will as always do whatever it takes to gain and maintain control. He's a classic charismatic narcissist who uses brute force or skillful manipulation to accomplish his goals. The loss of his badge was just a title to him and he's going to go on doing whatever he does best...whether that's lying in wait while quietly working to get an angle on Olivia or her boss. That's who he is and that's what he does...
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I guess Ronnie will do a long stretch in pre-trial detention before being released, since all the people who could have testified against him are dead or unreliable. I guess I can just drop the subject now.
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Amazon.com has "The Shield" DVD season sets on sale for $16 each. A completely awesome deal! I already own them all or would be buying myself a set.
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Nov 28, 2008 1:31:54 AM CST
Gee, can't tell you're a police officer
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
Get pissed over nothing why dont you?
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...than a few shouts and a 1 minute arrest. C'mon, all these seasons leading up to THAT?!?! More time was given to that new preacher/mayor candidate character that died in the ambulance!
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Somehow, I suspect that one of those formulaic cookie-cutter shows on CBS or NBC isn't going to cut it to satisfy my jones for a good cop show, so it's probably time to pick up The Wire. Wire fans -- what's the best way to watch it? Cram session or in measured doses? Does it have the anxiety and intensity that made the Shield such a rush?
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It's not that at all. It's that someone wants to pop off about something, and he has no idea what he is talking about. Sappers didn't bother to read the posts, he just went through until he found something to argue about. If anyone was hostile, it was him for trying to counter something when he didn't do his research to see why it was posted. Then he wants to point out that "it's a tv show". Someone asked how real-life accurate the immunity deal was, and I answered. Then he comes along and points out that it's a TV show. Brilliant on his part. Next time he's at the movie theater, he should stop and remind each and every individual in the theater that they are only watching a movie, and some of it may not be real-life accurate.
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As a police officer, my tolerance for stupidity has gone waaaaaay downhill in the last ten years.
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...that was according to THE SHIELD series creator Shawn Ryan. Interesting. I wondered why that gay cop didn't come out, but according to Shawn in real life he would stay in the closet for several years. After seeing the finale, there has got to be a fucking 2 hour movie. Vic is a shark, and sharks have to keep moving in order to survive. He took off at the end to see his kids, and he blew his deal with ICE. I envision Vic pretending to be a cop to shake down some drug dealers for cash. He would be hunted down by ICE, and some of his former co-workers. He will probably end up kidnapping his kids, and we will see Vic have his last stand somewhere. I know he would not swallow a bullet; Vic will go down fighting. A desk job is death to someone like Vic, so he woudl rather die more dramatically.
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...that was according to THE SHIELD series creator Shawn Ryan. Interesting. I wondered why that gay cop didn't come out, but according to Shawn in real life he would stay in the closet for several years. After seeing the finale, there has got to be a fucking 2 hour movie. Vic is a shark, and sharks have to keep moving in order to survive. He took off at the end to see his kids, and he blew his deal with ICE. I envision Vic pretending to be a cop to shake down some drug dealers for cash. He would be hunted down by ICE, and some of his former co-workers. He will probably end up kidnapping his kids, and we will see Vic have his last stand somewhere. I know he would not swallow a bullet; Vic will go down fighting. A desk job is death to someone like Vic, so he woudl rather die more dramatically.
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What bothered me with the title, maybe cause I'm a Marvel Comics fan is this SHIELD thing. They are a law enforcement series and they are called SHIELD!!! I wish they picked something different. It's like dating a girl named URSULA or URETHRA or something. I just can't get past it... Call me shallow.
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...you are shallow.
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Sons of Anarchy. This means you Herc. Season finale was this week, so now you have plenty of time to catch up before the next season.
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Sons of Anarchy. This means you Herc. Season finale was this week, so now you have plenty of time to catch up before the next season.
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No The Wire doesn't have the kind of intensity the Shield has. Someone here made the great comparison of saying The Shield is to Saving Private Ryan as The Wire is to The Thin Red Line. Wire is the "smarter" show and almost documentary like in it's realism, the Shield is more stylised with it's action and police work type stuff. I'd say don't rush through it, if you've got the willpower. If you want something with the rush of The Shield though all I can think of is 24 if you haven't seen that. Was one of the best shows as well before it turned to formulaic predictable shit, which is what made me turn to the Shield in the first place.
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The first 2 seasons of all the above shows are must see tv. Take them in any order.
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Will there be a Shield movie? I think that the ending to the series pretty much tied everything up.
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is a sloped foreheaded, knuckle-dragging shithead.
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Hmmm.... not perfect but pretty damn special...
I think everyone sowed what they reaped... ultimately for me the morale of the story that's not so neatly wrapped up is that you have to take responsibility for your actions, and your actions define who you are.
None of the characters can say they have come out of their experience with Vic any better - the one person which might have the slightest exception is the one person who started this whole process off - or at least from the viewers perspective. Aceveda - even he has had to realise that his life, wanting to clean up the police force by getting Terry Crowley to deliver the Strike Team, was irrevocably changed from that moment on. I think it has been brilliant story telling that has linked this series together from that one moment, even when it seemed that that plot thread was dead. Even Aceveda despite his rise in power has had to change his methods to get the job done. Corinne will always be looking behind her, knowing that one day Vic will find her. Even Dani has Vic to thank for her child knowing that he is bound to turn up some day and wield his narcissistic intent. Even Vic who appears to have literally got away with murder made all the sacrifices he could - he tries to be remorseful, maybe even needs to be remorseful but just can't bring himself to do it. Billings victory isn't even one... We don't know if Dutch's ambition to be a fed will be fulfilled but this was maybe the case that broke him and Wymms will take to her early grave the fact that despite being a good clean cop the likes of Aceveda and Mackey got ahead by bending or breaking the rules. Ronnie was always perceived as being the least significant member of the Strike Team - he did very little for the first 4 seasons and that was his tragedy that his opportunity to advance was with Vic rather than the chance he had to lead the Strike Team to change - becasue the rest of the Barn believed he was better than Shane and Vic. And Lem - well we all know Lem wouldn't have lasted this long anyway - he would have bottled it under the sorts of pressure that we've seen this past season - dare I say he was always going to be a victim when he lost it with the Armenian Money Train ?
I like the thought that it was a dark and open ending even to the point that maybe we the viewer didn't get rewarded haven't met Vic Mackey - that somehow the lives and characters in the show also included us... That everyone involved in the show didn't get a happy ending and neither did we... Looking too deep into it ? Maybe but I'd like to give the Shield writers the benefit of being that smart - I certainly don't feel cheated.... Thanks ! -
I think the Ronnie scene is just perfect. Fast and brutal, the way these things do happen. The look of utter incomprehension on his face when Dutch told him the truth was just perfect. Ronnie said everything he needed to say to Vic - what could Vic possibly have said back to him? Does anyone else think that they showed Ronnie being an asshole to that hooker a few weeks ago to "soften the blow" for us. I mean, Ronnie is considered the "good guy" of the Strike Team, but that's like saying he's the "good" SS officer. (He also doesn't get nearly as much attention for his acting, but, man, he is perfect in this final episode.) Bollocks, I really appreciated reading your thoughts on the show. Shawn Ryan wanted to finish the show two years ago, but the network wouldn't let it go, so I do think the previous two seasons dragged here & there because they were making them up as they went along, and that this final season rocked as hard as it did because they've known for a long time how it was all basically going to end. I want more closure on Dutch's story, but that's my problem isn't it?
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...the better show that no one saw.
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Sure it's a thinking man's Crime Drama but the intensity of the Shield gets my vote. There were way too many "oh, shit" moments on the Shield than Wire. Point in case the finale.
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What kind of damp little pussy stain trolls a fucking forum dedicated to a finale and brings up a completely different show that ended months ago? And by the way fuckstick, I watched The Wire and like most HBO shows, it's overrated, dour and seems to exist primarily so wet rags like you can feel justified in overpaying for a subscription to the network and those pricy boxsets. The Shield is the better show, had a much better cast, and will be remembered and discussed long after The Wire has been forgotten. Deal with it and move on, asswipe.
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Cleric, if you don't like The Wire that's fine, but don't drag us into your concept of our "justification." Maybe we actually loved it because it was great. Just because we don't share you're OPINION doesn't mean that you're right and we're wrong.
Both are considered two of the top shows of the last decade and probably even further back. But hey, to each his own. Neither will be forgotten. I can assure you of that. -
After recent years with shows like Sopranos, The Wire and now Shield finishing up, good tv is hard to find.
I enjoy Dexter, True Blood got better and am hanging out for new Lost and Damages, but what else is there ?
Californication, Entourage has been good, but Entourage just had one of the worst season end episodes of a non-disney/family show.
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I just did a marathon watch of Sons of Anarchy. I would not proclaim it to be the second coming, but it starts off nice.
SPOILERS!!!
Not too sure how I feel about a potential civil war though. -
Editing sucks
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However that lead protagonist could easily play Snake Plissken if there was a need for an EFNY remake.
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