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The Facts (*choke*) Are These:
ABC Gives The Producers Of
PUSHING DAISIES, ELI STONE
& DIRTY SEXY The Bad News ...

I am – Hercules!!
ABC has elected not to order more episodes for sophomore series “Pushing Daisies,” “Eli Stone” and “Dirty Sexy Money.” "Stone" and "Dirty" will cease production after 13 second-season installments. "Daisies" finished shooting its 13th and final episode last week. Producers of all three shows were informed this afternoon. All three just hit or matched personal ratings lows. The network is not using the word “cancelled” for any of the shows, but does not currently anticipate a pick-up down the road. Find all of James Hibberd’s Hollywood Reporter story on the matter here.

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  • Nov. 20, 2008, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Of Course

    by Insane Tiki

    "Pushing Daisies" was way too creative and fun to last very long. This really sucks - that show was one of the bright spots on network TV.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 5:51 p.m. CST

    D'ohh!!!

    by jogar3

    Noooooooo!!! the world needs more Pushing Daisies!

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    *BOOM*

    by buffywrestling

    That was my head exploding. Off to read the article...

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    :'(

    by Onyx390

    It seems Pushing Daisies, is well . . . I'm too sad to even pun. This sucks.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Good.

    by StarWarsRedux

    Good for "Heroes", anyway. Which is good for me.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 5:57 p.m. CST

    girlfriend's gonna be upset

    by Toe Jam

    those were probably her two favorite network shows. i'd already informed her "pushing daisies" likely was dead, but the "eli stone" cancellation comes as somewhat of a surprise. i kind of tired of "pushing daisies" after the first season, and i never really got into "eli stone" at all, but both at least seemed a creative cut above most other network dreck. bummer.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Cliffhanger

    by Logan-X

    Bryan Fuller said in an interview that the last episode ends in a cliffhanger. He hoped to possibly wrap it up with a movie if they got canceled, but why not take it to HBO? When Entourage is your best show, you're doing something wrong.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Sad Sad News

    by ShallowGrave

    But far better shows have gotten far worse.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 5:59 p.m. CST

    This is a sad, sad day.

    by Amy Chasing

    Pushing Daisies is always wonderful, and Dirty Sexy Money was really finding its voice this season I think. While shows like Bones keep going past their expiry date (they're not even trying to have decent story arcs anymore) and don't get me started on Heroes, seems the ratings will give people what they want. <P> People suck.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6 p.m. CST

    Sad news

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I liked Pushing Daisies. Naturally, I feel guilty that I'm also happy Fuller can go back to Heroes... but losing a show like PD still isn't a good thing.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6 p.m. CST

    Not unexpected

    by buffywrestling

    but I hope they burn off the entire 13 episodes. Douglas Petrie has one coming up called "Comfort Food" where a guy gets deep fried to death. Finger-licking mystery!!

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Oh, customized Tees...

    by buffywrestling

    how you mock me.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Man I was really digging dirty Sexy Money too.

    by JediRob

    That show had real promise and a great ensemble.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:03 p.m. CST

    FUCK.

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    =(

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST

    www.savedaisies.com

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    Let's try to get a movie to wrap some shit up at least.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST

    There Go 2 of My Favorites

    by roberthorry

    Pushing Daises and DirtySexyMoney were two of my favorite shows on television. What a shame.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:10 p.m. CST

    I'm just sitting here so uberly depressed right now.

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    Arrested, Firefly, Dead Like Me, Jericho, Freaks and Geeks, Pushing Daisies. I won't accept this. I can't! There has to be a saving grace. I am going to be and remain in denial for a very long time. If anything, hopefully Hollywood can embrace Fuller for the creative brainchild he really is and Pace goes on to be a big star.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Need pie now

    by drewlicious

    If Fuller wants to finish that story he'll probably have to do it in comic book form. Hard to say how that will turn out.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Stone

    by Series7

    Yeah it was good, but it kind of has an ending point. Don't see how they can keep doing what they do, they went all Quantum Leap last week, even they realized it.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Saving Jericho was a one time deal...

    by Bill Clay

    No network will listen to a "Save _____" campaign again after seeing CBS get burned with Jericho. We buried them in nuts until they agreed to bring it back, then the second season of Jericho got worse ratings than the first! I love Pushing Daisies, but I have to face reality and accept that it's gone.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    ridiculous

    by chubb rock

    I watch my local ABC affiliate for local news and every morning is dedicated to covering the latest on Dancing with the Stars. Normally I'd complain how annoying that is, the fact they cover irrelevant garbage on their own network on the news but instead I wish they covered these shows and maybe people would actually tune-in. I do wish I knew someone who watched Dancing with the Stars though so I can beat them over the head with a mallet.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Dirty Sexy Money...

    by Vlad the Inhaler

    ... was a total blast. Kind of like a totally straightfaced parody of a primetime soap, with enormous amounts of crazy shit going on in every episode. Terrific writing, great acting. Donald effing Sutherland, fer chrisssake. Dammit, I was really getting into it. I liked Pushing Daisies a lot also, but the very nature of the show didn't seem to lend itself to an extended run. Too whimsical for the average Joe the Plumber to figure out; frankly, it was a miracle that it even got onto the air!

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Echo the sadness, DSM was getting solid

    by Stormwatcher

    for a trashy show. I love the PieMaker for my daughter

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST

    I cancelled Eli Stone...

    by Frank Black

    ...5 minutes into the first episode. It was awful!

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Shit Fuck Cocksucker

    by Sebilrazen

    I watched all 3. <br><br> Guess my Tuesdays and Wednesdays are freeing up.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    I wish they followed the UK model

    by Hotscot

    Commission a series. Show all of season1. If the ratings are acceptable commission season 2, etc AFAIK we don't get any, or much cancellations after the season starts.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Damn. I enjoyed all three shows.

    by Imagikafan

    I'm really going to miss Pushing Daisies.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST

    This seriously fucking sucks.

    by Zarles

    While dogshit like Knight Rider and Heroes continue to stink up the airwaves week after week, the most intelligent and consistently creative show on television gets the axe. RIP Pushing Daisies.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Hmmm.

    by buffywrestling

    Life on Mars presumably picked up to air after Lost. It's like a band-aid on a bullet wound but still...

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by TOASTERslayer

    Quality wise aren't those three of ABCs best shows? I fear for the future of television.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Sad as it is for Daisies, I'm really not surprised...

    by Paul T. Ryan

    A show like this was never going to take off on a major network. If it had been on cable, it'd go five years... As for DSM, I really didn't like it. Too many unsympathetic charachers. Never seen Eli Stone, but when I heard Katie Holmes was appearing on it, that killed any interest for me.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:37 p.m. CST

    fuck

    by Charlie Murphy

    bye daisies and stone, i'll miss you

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Cancel Grey's Anatomy, too.

    by F-18

    and every show of it's ilk. <p> ABC, quit being the Lifetime of network tv. <p> Back when ABC had Full House, The Urkel Show(Family Matters)and all that, it was better than what they show now. Which is mostly shit.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST

    so sad :(

    by quadrupletree

    Pushing Daisies = great show. It's interesting that the trend these days is to have serialized shows where the story continues from week to week making it less accessible for new people to join the show as it progresses. Too many shows are a victim of this yet most new TV shows embrace the format. Don't get me wrong, I love it but I'm not surprised that shows that fail to bring in big numbers from the very beginning get canceled like this...

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    A connetion I know at ABC

    by deaddovedontoeat

    Said that if fans threw a fit about PD, they might bring it back for more. So start actively doing shit as opposed to just bitching and we might see it come back.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Hotscot

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    In the UK, we tend to be self-contained enough so that should a season not work out the ties are cut and there's no harm, no foul. Even Life On Mars, our BIG mythology show, could've ended after S1 with no harm and no foul.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Television as a creative medium...

    by TOASTERslayer

    There was a time when I argued that TV, when done correctly, is just as artistic and often times even more compelling than film. To me, being able to follow a group of people and their stories throughout an extended period of time as they grew and changed is much more interesting than watching a character (or characters) and their story for 2 hours and then forgetting them soon after. There is an attachment involved with television. Now I've come to the sad realization that due to the nature of television and its necessity to be focused toward the lowest common denominator of viewer, that is not the case. Film is a better medium, simply because if you have a film that is interesting and new and creative it will mostly likely get made and it will have a beginning, middle, and an end. The uneducated, uninterested masses don't dictate what is in that film and its creative success is not based on it. It truly is a sad day for me as a TV lover.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:47 p.m. CST

    allow me to be the first and last to say

    by Timahh

    damn shame about eli stone....not a great show by any stretch of the imagination, but had some great nuggets of comedy in most episodes. Well looks like ABC wont be on my tv again until January.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:47 p.m. CST

    The best thing I can say for ABC is...

    by Mundungus

    At least they haven't produced 5 Different Lost Spinoffs like CBS would have. You would have Lost Miami, Lost New York. <p> Lost finishes in June 2010, then ABC will officially have nil.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:49 p.m. CST

    My girlfriend's gonna be PISSED.

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    The pencil necks at ABC don't know how lucky they are that they're 1500 miles away. This is going to be an ugly night.... <P>Me, I got some kicks out of "Pushing Daisies". Chi McBride is The Shit. The other two I could not give less of a damn about. "DSM" is just more silly "Falcon Crest"/"Dynasty" rich asshole soap opera, and "Stone" was dopey pseudo-New Age piffle. <P>You just watch, ABC'll replace 'em with more "Dancing With Celebrity Whores" knockoffs...

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:52 p.m. CST

    We all knew it was coming but... FUCK!!! FUCK!!! FUCK!!!

    by br1947

    I swear, if HBO or Showtime will pickup Pushing Daisies, I will subscribe to them for that show alone! May ABC rot in D-List 'celebrity' dancing hell for all eterity... <br><br>and just for extra geeky outrage, I give a Vader-style "NOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!"

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Why is "cancelled" a dirty word at the networks now?

    by photoboy

    Is it so they can avoid saying anything final just in case they want to bring the show back and don't want to let the actors out of their contracts? Or is it to stop any backlash/campaign from the public who might want to save the show?

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST

    and fuck sending ABC pies, send BEES!!!!

    by br1947

    I'll be damned if I feed the assholes who killed the Pie Maker. They get BEES!!!

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Photoboy

    by buffywrestling

    The most likly reason is that they don't want to chase off advertisers from purchasing time from a "cancelled" show.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Now it can be a true cult classic

    by Larry of Arabia

    Don't mourn. Daisies is going to be one of those evergreen series that fans will talk about and the Museum of Television and Science will pull out for retrospectives over and over years from now. Welcome to the world of acknowledged cult classics Daisies.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 7:03 p.m. CST

    What A Sahme About Pushing Daisies!

    by Real Deal

    But true to form for network decisions. I would have tried anything to save this show! Change nights, different times, pair it with something else! But no! They couldn't do that! Maybe someone else could pick it up? What a shame!

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 7:04 p.m. CST

    That's Shame!

    by Real Deal

    I hate the fact that this talkback is so primative you have to be really careful becuase you can't go back and change a post!

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 7:08 p.m. CST

    fuck you, abc

    by mithrandir16

    and fuck the american public for watching shit instead of quality shows like pushing daisies. FUCK.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Only hope for Daisies

    by StuckinthePresentPaused

    is a DTV movie but even then look at one of Bryan Fuller's other projects in Dead Like ME. How many years has it been since it went off the air that the DTV movie is coming out? And Also look at the fact Bryan Fuller isn't even involved in that project. Fuller is going to get busy starting in January going back to work on Heroes and truthfully will he have time to finish Daisies in anyway. They mention comics but i am personally not a fan of the notion is some form of movie or bust for me.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 7:11 p.m. CST

    ABC is dead to me

    by jrlamps

    screw u bastards. PD and DSM are such amazing shows. Ratings are down for every show and network, stop being bitches

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Farewell Eli Stone.

    by jimbojones123

    If you feel the need to be cynical about everything, you won't get this show. <P> It was FANTASTIC for those that long for a bit more twinkle in their own eyes. I loved this show. It was what Jerry McGuire on a whole other level. I will miss it. The show was my feel good part of the week. I'd watch it before watching just about any show.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST

    The only way to get DTV

    by buffywrestling

    is to sell a bunch of DVDs. Yo.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 7:17 p.m. CST

    I watched none. Score! For once.

    by happybunni

    It is sad how networks cancel shows just because people decide to develop lives and download the show online do they can watch it when they have time available.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST

    from Fuller:

    by buffywrestling

    "I assumed that's what [the call] was about," he wrote. "I can't help but feel immense pride when it comes to 'Pushing Daisies.' I'm grateful TO everyone and FOR everyone who brought the show to life and for the very loyal audience that embraced us. If we are indeed dead on ABC, we now have to convince DC Comics to let us tell the rest of the season's story lines out in comic book form and convince Warner Bros. features to let 'Pushing Daisies' live again as a movie."

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Why can't Peter Krause get a break?

    by Jodet

    He's a really great guy and I like him in damn near everything he's done. I'm still pissed at sciffy for not making 'Lost Room' a series. Idiots.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 7:33 p.m. CST

    ouch..they did it again

    by smutpeddlar

    damn,i really like dirty sexy money,sorry to hear the bad news,every day i check the site hoping not to see this headline,i'm sure the show costs a fortune to produce..and it actually looks it,but,all you can do is do the best work you can and hope it catches fire,for a network drama in these times..you can't be middle of the pack or lower as far as profit..its easier for them to replace a good show like dirty sexy money with a variety/reality show..the only problem with putting on those shows is..i will not enjoy them,which leads me to watching their network less and less,abc has exactly 1 show i watch now,lost,a major network..and there is only 1 show i deem worthy of viewing..wow

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Pushing Daisies & Eli Stone were two of the most positive

    by jim

    shows on TV. I couldn't help but have a smile on my face throughout every episode of Pushing Daisies. Eli Stone was, to be cliched, a feel good show. Both were a joy and a treat to watch. And as soon as ABC figures out what to replace the remaining episodes with, they will be seen no more. TV Land has become a much darker and more cynical place without these two shows.<p>In protest I think I will send ABC dead bees and an aneurism.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 7:35 p.m. CST

    br1947

    by slder78

    that's fucking hillarious. i would love to see the offices at ABC when that package arrived.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Maybe fewer people are watching television...

    by NivekJ

    If so, then good for them. I guess. Too bad; I never really watched either of those but I kinda dug Eli Stone, and Herc and the AICN boys really seemed to take to Pushing Daisies. I'm gonna miss seeing the promos - they were comforting.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Don't send bees to ABC...

    by InActionMan

    Send delicious pies to AMC. They need a quality show to fill the gaps between Mad Men and Breaking Bad. <P> AMC is part of Rainbow Media Holdings This is their address: <P> Corporate Headquarters Rainbow Media Holdings LLC 11 Penn Plaza New York, NY 10001 <P> Send Delicious Pie. <P> You can E-Mail them here: <P> http://www.rainbow-media.com/contact.jsp

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Well, this WON'T get me to watch Heroes...

    by Bones

    I was glad to be done with that show...The first season was pretty great--but you cannot make up for how badly the show has sucked since then...they would have to pull a "Bobby in the Shower/All a dream" moment...and that just rings false. They should have killed off Sylar at the end of Season one and kept everyone together working as a team from the beginning of Season Two--but they didn't and the show is stupid and convoluted.<p> And, dammit--I want more Pie Maker and Chuck.<p> Sucks

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Daisies: Inspired stories and style=cancelled.

    by Ayii

    Pushing Daisies has a great unique style to storytelling, interesting characters, fantastic set design, and yet it gets cancelled. If it wasn't for LOST, I wouldn't watch ABC at all.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST

    br1947...

    by Zarles

    You, sir, are a goddamned genius. Well done.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Shame

    by Galilee

    Pushing Daisies is a good show, Eli Stone got a bit religious but was still okay. DSM, on the other hand, just got un-watchable after the first new episode this season. How do you eliminate a character, yet still leave her in the family photos?

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    As much righteous rage that will come Kring's way

    by Pennsy

    Once the (hopefully) talkback is posted where he called the fans who watch Heroes live "saps and dipshits", to play devil's advocate, he's railing against the low ratings the show's getting. He blames DVRs and other shifts in the way people watch television (online streaming and what not). My question is, does he have a point with that, as just about every show is taking some kind of ratings hit this year?

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 8:20 p.m. CST

    PUSHING DAISIES need a better time slot....

    by j2talk

    like say 8 pm on Sunday....pair it with Desperate Housewives and you got a winner....sorry Wednesday at 8pm...Bones is on.....Its too bad,Pushing Daisys was one of the few true original shows, it deserved better from ABC.....

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Fuck you, ABC.

    by DarthCorleone

    Pushing Daisies was one of the few shows that was appointment television for me, and now it's gone.<br><br>I want to ask a serious question. Are Nielsen ratings becoming antiquated? The reason I ask is that I do not regularly watch Pushing Daisies on its network broadcast. I watch it on its free network broadcast on the ABC site. (Granted, this means I'm not bearing the same brunt of advertisements.) I would think there are more and more people that behave similarly. I don't know if it's enough to save a show from cancellation, but neither I nor anyone I know has ever been asked to participate in the Nielsen ratings, so I'm feeling seriously underrepresented.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 8:27 p.m. CST

    I swear

    by Phategod2

    Only old people ware watching TV anymore the ony shows that people watch are 60 minutes or Crime Dramas. Geesh. Get a DVR already Take back the TV from Old people.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Eat Shit and Die ABC

    by fedrich519

    If it weren't for Lost, I wouldn't watch your fucking Dancing With the Stars shit-fest. You suck ABC. Original, creative, intelligent shows deserve better.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Pennsy

    by Mockingbird Girl

    Yes, it seems to me that every show is taking a ratings hit this year... or, at least, every show that doesn't start with NC and end with IS. But since NCIS does favor an older demographic, it does seem that timeshifting must account for much of the ratings "loss." Well, that and competition from the Internet, DVDs, iPods, etc. that also draw potential viewers away from their TVs. But cancelling DAISIES? Fuck. :-(

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Eli bye bye

    by lostbat

    loved the show!These good shows were cancelled due to bad programming.. And f..ck Heroes. I stopped watching 2 months ago....

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST

    the facts are these:

    by newc0253

    ABC blows. Never watched Eli Stone but DSM was fun while Pushing Daisies some of the best tv in a veritable golden age of tv.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Not my idea, I just embraced it

    by br1947

    someone else suggested it 2 or 3 TBs back. It's suprisingly hard to find bees...

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 9:03 p.m. CST

    nooooo!

    by freydis

    I haven't been able to watch Pushing Daisies this season and now I won't ever be able to?

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    So Lost is still OK right?

    by Epsilon

    Really, does anything matter beyond that? The answer is no, people. No.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST

    What show creators and producers need to do...

    by longawayy

    ...is start demanding a clause in their network contracts guaranteeing funding for a 2 hour wrap-up episode on cancellation. Even if the network declines to show it, the finale will at least be available in the dvd set, and fans of the show aren't left completely stranded.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 9:07 p.m. CST

    More reality show?

    by cooper2000

    So sad about Pushing Daisies. So now we get more Dancing with the Stars and the Bachelor type reality show?

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST

    I keep asking this question

    by Jodet

    And no one answers. In this day of dvd's are 'tv ratings' just fucking worthless? I have SEVERAL friends who ONLY watch dvd's, NOTHING on LIVE TV. I haven't worked a live tv show in five years. When I saw how great it was to wait and see an entire season of '24' on my own time, that was it. I told the cable company to piss off. So people like me....we don't count anymore?

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Too much whimsy...

    by Raymar

    will kill you every time...

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    FUCK YOU ABC!

    by Lucasblows

    You suck even further because I can't boycott you due to LOST and Scrubs. Fuckers.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    FUCK!! ASS!!

    by runrun

    That is all

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Maybe ABC could pick up Journeyman

    by runrun

    I'm obsessed

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST

    MAKE A MOVIE PLEASE.

    by Shermdawg

    PLEASE. <br><br> PLEASE MAKE A MOVIE. <br><br> PLEASE? <br><br> SNOOK CLEAVAGE ON THE BIG SCREEN WILL BREAK BOX OFFICE RECORDS.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Jodet

    by StarWarsRedux

    Apparently not, and that's the point Kring was making (I think). It doesn't matter how popular a show is if people mostly watch it online, because the broadcast-ratings are the only numbers the networks give a damn about. Why? Because that's the time that advertisers paid for, the time when their commercials are on the air, the time that the networks actually make their money. If broadcast-ratings go down, advertisers don't buy as much commercial time, the network makes less money. Watching a show like "Heroes", "Pushing Dasies" or whatever-else online at their leisure might be convenient for the viewer, but it can kill such a show over a long enough time, because networks don't really make money from the online viewings.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Jodet

    by br1947

    It's actually a very valid question that is being asked across the industry, no one really knows the answer. There have always been problems with the Nielsen system, demographics can change wildly depending on how a diary falls in a book market. Most netowrk decisions are based on the few overnight markets, which can vary greatly from the rest of the country. Nielsen tries to cut cost and use as few samples as possible, but that leads to greater variations. Also the requirement of having a landline phone to tie a measurement to (which thankfully is being changed in THIS ratings book) further biases the ratings sample as younger people tend to have a cell and nothing else. Add to that the 'sudden' emergence of VOD and DVD and you have a whole other can of worms. Incidentally, Nielsen has no real interest in adding in DVD or VOD viewing because there are no commercials attached. They have only recently added Tivo playback to their methodology because of protest by station groups. There are several major broadcasting companies who are refusing to pay for Nielsen's services until their methodology improves. <br><br>In other words, it's all a clusterfuck and no one really knows how to 'rate' how good a show is. So again, I urge you and everyone else to send Bees to ABC. Nothing like a hive of angry bees to motivate TV executives.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    No, Jodet, you do not count

    by jim

    DVD sales are to TV Networks what movie tickets are to theaters: The real money doesn't come from the show but what can be sold before, during, and after the show. Don't feel bad, none of us count. The only ones who count are the Nielsen families and we've seen time and again where their tastes lie.<p>I've said this before but it's worth repeating: When I watch "live" TV, I almost never see the commercials. When the ads come on I change the channel (usually a sporting event) and for those 3 minutes watch another station. However, when I record a show I see ALL the commercials. Sure, I fast-forward through them but I still see them. If something catches my eye I will rewind to watch it. But, even if I don't see it in normal time, I still see the commercial. I've wondered if this might even be a more effective way of advertising. The images flash by at such a quick pace they can only be processed by my subconscious; a form of subliminal advertising, perhaps? Probably not. Now excuse me, I need to drink some milk, watch my local news, call a 1-800 dating chat-line, and buy a car.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Bring back more 80's shows

    by jonsnow

    ABC should bring back Charlie's Angels with terminator director McGee as the producter and starring Drew Barrymore. Just kidding, but at least they would get better ratings than Knight Rider. Bring back Airwolf too!

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Perhaps what stings the most about "Daisies"'s failure...

    by Ellipsian

    ...is just how well the show was doing before the strike. It (deservedly) had double the audience it has now, which shocked the hell out of me (and surely rose the hair of both ABC execs and Bryan Fuller alike). What a complete disappointment that ABC is turning its back on the most artistic and stylistically interesting show on TV. <br> <br> Second, and nearly as disappointing, is the cancellation of "Eli Stone"; too much good work went in to that show to let it go now. <br> <br> Fools.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 12:06 a.m. CST

    There are tears in my Scotch tonight...

    by JackIsLost

    On the one hand, I want to love ABC for giving us "Pushing Daisies" in the first place. On the other, I want to hate them for taking it away so coldly. It was without question one of the best TV shows ever. Someone smarter than me once said it best: "Ain't that a B?"

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Start sending Beehives.

    by gotilk

    Now is the time.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Good news for Heroes then!

    by Grando

    I don't watch Daisies, I thought it was bullshit (I hate Anna Friel) I do however watch Heroes, so this is good news for me.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Same here, Grando

    by StarWarsRedux

    Same here.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Eli Stone was a great show, but...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...who cares when AVATAR is fucking our eyeballs in 2009?

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Goddamnit.

    by 24200124

    Fucking assholes. <br> <br> That is all.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 1:03 a.m. CST

    JERKS!!!!

    by crab_cakes

    Here's hoping that some other network will pick it Daisies...maybe Sci-Fi channel? Why are all my favorite shows CANCELED?? I HATE YOU ABC....NEVER TALK TO ME AGAIN!!!!

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 1:47 a.m. CST

    ABC cancels itself until January...

    by Maestro610

    Pushing Daisies, Dirty Sexy Money and Eli Stone are three of the more innovative and interesting shows on television all cancelled on the same day. Dancing With the Stars has its finale soon... No new Life on Mars... til January, No Lost til January... I don't care how fast they put it together there will be no DWtS until January... So did ABC just decide to NUKE their entire network until Lost comes back? What does Jim Belushi have on them that According to Jim is still on the air? I am not a regular DSM or Eli Stone watcher but I do dvr them and catch up and they are shows worth watching... but Pushing Daisies ranks with Dexter and BSG as my favorite shows on television right now. I hope that Daisies becomes the number one show on the network over the next two months... and since Fuller has probably been locked into a new contract at NBC they won't be able to get him back without a huge mea culpa. Unfortunately, if things begin to trend that way they'll just shuffle it off to Friday nights at 10pm and kill it. At this rate the producers of Life on Mars better get their stuff together and end the show before next season.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Very sorry to see Daisies go.

    by AnnoyYou

    It lost something after the writers' strike, but it was sort of recovering (especially due to the contributions of Lee Pace and Kristin Chenoweth). Eli Stone was cute and affecting in its first season, but the Katie Holmes episode just deep-sixed it (she's really the kiss of death now, isn't she?). Dirty Sexy: a terrible show, a horrible cast (especially the uber-annoying Peter Krause), glad to see the back of it.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 2 a.m. CST

    NO! I need my Donald Sutherland!

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    And another Baldwin on TV. Dammit! Dirty Sexy Money is great pulp! Or was... sniff...

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 2:12 a.m. CST

    shows like these only survive on...

    by red1701

    FX,AMC and FOX. the Old Ass Three networks are headed by idiots

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Eli Stone

    by Jinxo

    They really need to give Eli Stone time. It's a show you have to discover and let grow on you. At first I was only luke warm on it but I really grew to love it.<br><br> The networks are desperate for viewers. Viewers don't want to get attached to a show the nets might not stick with or be confident in. They need to pull the move NBC pulled with Quantum Leap. At the start QL didn't get a lot of viewers. Then NBC did a stunt where they aired QL at 8pm for 5 days straight. And they promoted the hell out of the stunt. It worked. It was such a unique move it got people's attention. The fact that NBC made such a bold move told viewers NBC did have faith in the show and was committed to it. And being on 5 days straight made it hard not to notice it and not at least see a bit of it. After that stunt the show picked up a good deal of viewers.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Pushing daisies

    by Turtle_Z

    I'm sorry to see it go, but I'm glad we at least got to see it. If I'm honest, I would never have expected an american studio to greenlight the project in the first place, So Kudos to all involved for getting us 26 episodes. With any luck we'll get a TV special or a movie to wrap up the ends.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Not a fair trade

    by The McPoyle Clan

    PD for Heroes? I'd rather have PD.<br><br>So what now, ABC? A Charlies Angels revival as suggested? Love Boat? Fall Guy? It's obvious you have no soul.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 5:10 a.m. CST

    :'(

    by TheTaf

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Okay, so I do not work in television...but...

    by Fart_Master_Flex

    Correct me if I am wrong here, but if I am a network with three critically acclaimed shows (well 2 out of the 3 were) which are all getting rather low ratings (but did good before the strike), would I fault the shows or the people promoting the shows? Look, I talk about Pushing Daisies at work and the people here have never enen heard of it. Does that sound like the show was given a chance?? Oh well, I am sure ABC can give us a remake of a 70s show, a cop procedural, or a medical show. Or how about a fucking show about lawyers?! That could work!!

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 7:15 a.m. CST

    As for Heroes

    by Fart_Master_Flex

    Fuller is only one man. Can a sinking ship be saved when it is mostly underwater??? Heroes is bullshit. They lost the plot.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 7:49 a.m. CST

    There is just too much on TV anymore

    by indyjonez100

    That the four network system is failing and these shows don't have a chance to survive. But damn it, they should have given Pushing Daisies a chance to get it's legs. Oh well.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 7:58 a.m. CST

    You Stupid Fuckers

    by The Alienist

    You sit here an bemoan the death of a truly great show like "Pushing Daisies" and then turn around and say they should get rid of that piece of shit "Grey's Anatomy" too, when "Grey's" is one of the best written, best acted, original show's on TV as well (except for a good part of last season). But no, its a "girlie" show, so it couldn't possibly be any good. Have you ever watched the show? Have you heard some of the best dialogue on TV since "Buffy"? You misogynistic geek-boors. I am so sick of people using this show as demonstration of how bad TV is, when its a complete delight. I have a fear that most of you would STILL say "Heroes" is better. Argh!

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Oh but by all means order another 100 season of "Lost"...

    by Pdorwick

    ...fuckin' morons.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Great News!

    by Luscious.868

    Because all of these shows sucked. Not ABC can get back to doing what it's supposed to be doing ... bringing back Miracles. If they wouldn't have moved the damn show 3 times before the first season was over and had like a 3 week pause right smack in the middle of it's run it would have been rated higher. When shows just stop and the time slot gets moved around several times in the first season it isn't going to pickup a following.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    No PD = NO ABC 4 me.

    by palewook

    much like the way i avoid fox since firefly. <p> abc could figure out a way to keep PD going for 13 episodes a season. selling a new dvd each year and making plenty of money from it. <p> but they want to replace one of the most original shows on tv today with more cheap fluff. good luck. i won't be watching, at all.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Can't Ned Just Touch Pushing Daisies...

    by _Maltheus_

    ...and 60 seconds later we find out that Knight Rider just dropped dead? This sucks. It was the best show on TV. But then I'm starting to get use to things sucking more and more as time goes on.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Heroes is screwed either way

    by greg39

    To much crap has happened. The last two weeks have been painful, and I hardly know what's going on now. I admit, I missed Pushing Daises this week. I was to busy with the new LOTRO expansion.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Assturds

    by Shigeru

    Fuck you ABC give me a fucking break I want to shit on your sandwiches you fucking dickholes. <br><br><br><br> fuck.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    ABC....clueless as usual.

    by Ninja Nerd

    I like Pushing Daisies and Eli Stone better than almost all of the DRECK on TV. After them, I watch The Unit, Life, Life On Mars, Chuck, The Big Bang Theory, and will watch Lost when it returns. Everything else is insipid trash. ABC = fucktards.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Heroes sucks.

    by Lucasblows

    It's painful to tune in to that crap now. Heroes was only good for one season. And no one can save it. Daisies was infinitely better.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Eli Stone

    by Gislef_crow

    The thing to keep in mind is that the loss of any decently-acted, competently written show is a loss. "Eli Stone" may not have been to your tastes, but it had two talented lead actors (Miller and Garber), a decent supporting cast, good writing (and by comic book writer Marc Guggenheim, no less), and when it was good, it was very good. Losing it to some disposable prime-time soap opera junk, crap sitcom, or yet another reality show, is a tragedy for quality TV supporters no matter what. Ditto for "Pushing Daisies." The leads don't do anything for me, but you can't deny it's otherwise well-acted and well-written.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST

    All because these stupid WGA moron...

    by thecomedian

    Wanted to pat themselves on the back with that stupid strike last year. It's blatantly obvious that every show that didn't comeback to finish last season has lost it's audience. A whole stupid exercise is self-congratulatory bullshit has cost the writers and casts of these shows their jobs and we the viewers have lost quality shows.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Damn this sucks.

    by Mooly

    I lost interest in DSM after about 6 eps when the show stopped being about hating the darlings and investigating a dead father and became ALL about the darlings and just another desperate housewives type show. I blame the network for not having enough faith in "Nate" carrying a show. But Pushing Daisies getting cancelled is a damn tragedy and it is a shame that people just didn't get it. Every episode has been top knotch. But watch the average joe trying to watch this show...they just don't get it. They don't get why it is a fairy tale, and the wierd sets and locations. Its too much for their tine brains to handle so they just switch the channel to Two and a Half men or something else safe and predictable. I will definitely miss this show not being on TV. It was a breath of fresh air and truly original.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Pdorwick, I think Lost is how shows should be handled

    by jim

    Set an end-date so the audience knows it's going somewhere and not just spinning its wheels. The creators have given themselves 3 seasons to wrap it up; most shows don't even get one episode to do that and many are dropped from the schedule with episodes left unaired. I think this has helped Lost, both creatively and with its audience. Even if you are tiring of a show you are more likely to "stick it out" one more season if you know it is coming to an end.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Who said Grey's is good?

    by Mooly

    That show lost its way a LONG time ago. That is the single most inbred hospital on TV and when even the gay guy manages to sleep with every chick on the show within 3 seasons, you know they are pushing it. Why doesn't a single person on that show have a friend, relative or love interest outside the hospital? Seriously...not one single outside friend or date? EVER? And meanwhile the show's supposedly "great" writing has become little more than a serieous of strung together speaches that all sound the same. The characters have NO identity any more because they all talk exactly the same all the time! And heavy repetition over and over may make for a great speech once...having every character giving the same repetitive speech every episode is horrible.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Screw off, ABC.

    by the_patriot

    I only watched your network for Lost and Pushing Daisies. And you royally farked over Pushing Daisies...again. So thank you - I will not grace your network again. Nor your website - nothing. I will watch lost via the wonderful world of torrents where neither you nor your advertisers will have any record of me. I swear it's almost an encouragement to go back to reading books - because at least at that point I can get the entire story (with an ENDING) before some retarded executive who just doesn't get the audience cancels it because it's too well written and intelligent for him to understand.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Move Daisies to HBO, SHOWTIME, AMC, FX...

    by MrFloppy

    whatever, but NOW!

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST

    The good side is that Fuller can go back to Heroes now...

    by MrFloppy

    to remake it! He has to remake the ending of first season, and all the rest.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    More LIFE ON MARS and Fuller back on HEROES works for me

    by SpyGuy

    Now, how about giving BOSTON LEGAL a full season to go out on?

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Big Jim: I both agree and disagree

    by Pdorwick

    Agree: A show like "Lost" needs an end date both for creative momentum and for audience interest.<br><br>Disagree: "Lost" got it's end date way, way too late in it's run which is why it had creatively run out of steam far before that steam could be at all useful. "Lost" floundered for a good 2 years before last season feebly tried to begin to tie all the pieces together. A better example of writing to a prescribed end would be the new Battlestar Galactica, Babylon 5, the original Prisoner or the original Life On Mars

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Really, what can Fuller do for Heroes?

    by jim

    It's not like anything he does will affect any of the episodes we'll see in the next few months. Maybe he can write the season finale. Sure, if it gets renewed for a 4th season he could make a difference there. I think at this point that's a big "if".

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST

    an average viewer here with a rundown....

    by j2talk

    Why ABC Sucks .... Sunday-Dexter,TrueBlood Mondays-Chuck Tuesdays-NCIS,Mentalist-taped episode of House Wednesday-Bones,Life,Sons of Anarchy, Thursday-Smallville, CSI,11th Hour Friday-Clone Wars,Taped Pushing Daisy,Criminal Minds,CSI:NY Saturday- Taped episode of Numbers, Top chef, Diners,Drive-Ins and Dives...

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Pdorwick, I do agree that Lost lost its way for much

    by jim

    of season 2 & 3. However, I do believe that since they and the network agreed on the remaining number of episodes, the show has found its way again. Last season was much tighter than it has been with no filler. Setting an end date fixed the problem, at least for me, that the show had no direction. I gained a renewed sense of confidence that it was going somewhere.<p>Networks need to regain audiences' trust. How can we as viewers be expected to care about a show when the networks don't seem to care? How can we support a show that the network doesn't support? My point about Lost is the network gave the show 3 seasons and the creators said ok, but then that's it. ABC didn't renew Lost for 3 years "and after that we'll see". Both parties said "3 years and done". Maybe ABC can still cancel the show but in my mind they are committed until the last episode in 2010. <p> That is what I would like to see more of from the networks. It could help regain the viewers' trust. I would love to see a network stand behind their fall lineup. State that every show has a set number of episodes and every show episode will air. If the series does well, it will be back for next season with another set number of episodes and another guarantee of being allowed to complete its run. The networks can still say "your ratings suck and we won't be renewing you for next year" at any point, which could allow a show to film a final episode rather than just going out on a season finale (or, like some shows, going out after episode 5).

  • Nov. 21, 2008, noon CST

    Rebooting Heroes isn't such a big hurdle

    by The McPoyle Clan

    since it already plays so fast and loose with revising history anyway. Have a Dallas- or Newhart-style gotcha and say that everything has been a dream.<br><br>As long as network TV stubbornly sticks to the old formula where they were the kings of the dial and try to make 20+ episode seasons work creatively, if not financially, they're going to piss audiences off by cutting shows off at their knees when they don't work financially. Cable is showing that shorter seasons of quality shows can work both ways.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Anna Friel

    by SpikeTBB

    Quick question: if I use my Dish network recorder to grab a show and watch it later, does it still count towards its ratings number? I'm am going to miss Anna Friel as Chuck most of all. Not since Ellen Muth's George has an actress been so perfectly blended with a character and captured my affection so completely. In one episode, they had her resting her chin on her hands on the top of a table while she was looking up at the camera that just melted my heart. In this show that jokes with death and murder, Chuck is so full of the fun of being alive. Plus she is HOT in a very unselfconscious way. Again, like Ellen Muth. The director obviously knows she is beautiful and sexes her up just enough but not to much. Bryan Fuller and I must have similar taste in women. First Ellen and now Anna. Add to this the loss of this creative, funny, INTELLEGENT show ( as was Dead Like Me ) and this just proves what a wasteland T.V has become.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 12:09 p.m. CST

    there ought to be channel for cancelled shows

    by spacechampion

    The networks should pitch in for a cable channel where they'd all dump their cancelled shows. You'd get enough fans subscribing just to see one or two of their favourites that maybe all would be able to survive. Call it the Life Support channel.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    I dont understand the thought process . . .

    by follyway

    Why are these shows just kind of dangling on a wed night. I love Pushing Daisies but wouldnt it make sense to pair it with a show like Ugly Betty, where you know the audiance might be open to a slightly different experience. I would think thses shows could have very similar audiences if given the chance. Dirty Sexy Money is just deliscious soapy pulp goodness. Can anyone in their right mind say with a straight face that if they put this on sunday nights with Desparate Housewives for a month that it wont suddenly find an audience? I mean its got a baldwin, Peter Krasue, Lucy Liu, Blair Underwood and the Donald of all Sutherland on TV playing withwith transexuals, murder, defrocked preists and at least one good cat fight a month. I enjoy both thses shows, and I hope PD can continue in some form in the future. Unfortunately, watching the pilot for PD last year I thought to myself, " wow this kicks ass, sucks its going to get cancelled." But, if these fuckers cant even find ratrings for a primetime soap with "name" actors its time to look for a different line of work.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    The good thing about Heroes...

    by StarWarsRedux

    ...is that it has an instant "reset" button built in. That time-travel gimmick everybody loves to hate on? Let a villain (like Robert Forster) get their hands on it, and they can wreak havock across the show's history, and bring us back to whatever square-one we like.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Condolences to the fans

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    sucks when a show and characters you've come to love gets the axe

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    IS there anything else on ABC worth watching?

    by chromedome

    unless you are a die-hard Lost fan, that is. I never got started with Lost, so can't jump in. WTF else does ABC have that is worth a crap?<p>I'm serious...

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 1:09 p.m. CST

    "WTF else does ABC have that is worth a crap?"

    by jim

    They have Scrubs coming back for a final season in January. And they have Boston Legal, also in its final year; sure, it is a shadow of what it once was but, seeing as how I've been with it from the start, I'd like to see how it ends. And I am still digging Life on Mars.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Hooray for Heroes!

    by zooch

    Rehire Bryan Fuller, promote him to show runner

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Farewell, Ally McPenis

    by ArcadianDS

    we hardly knew ye

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Showtime!!!

    by VWantsRevenge

    Even though Showtime shat on Fuller's "Dead Like Me" it would be awesome if they picked up "Daisies" for him. <br> <br> I liked all three of these shows, and really don't understand why they didn't find a bigger audience. And I was one of the few who also liked "My Own Worst Enemy".<br> <br> But they're keeping "Life on Mars"? Really? I stopped after Ep one on that one. Hell, didn't even get through the whole show. Why can't "Daisies" come on before "Lost"? Seems a good fit to me... Oh well.<br> <br> I also wish more people talked about "Sons of Anarchy" because that's a damn good show that probably is getting shit ratings too. At least it's on FX who might give it half a chance anyway...

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST

    No! I need my Anna Friel addiction fed!

    by My Mom Is A Whore

    That girl is sooooo cute in that show. I sound like a thirteen year old girl but it's true! She is one hot little piece of ass and I'm sure gonna miss seeing her. :(

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Eli Stone

    by Toonol

    I know a guy that works on the show, but I was never able to bring myself to watch it after I heard the first episode would be about the EVIL VACCINES giving some kid Autism. What a ridiculous and dangerous myth to give credence to.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Damn it!

    by oisin5199

    to quote Jack Bauer. Yeah, the only 2 shows that actually make me happy to be alive and not want to cower in depression at the state of humanity - gone. They just axed the only reasons I watch anything on ABC besides Lost. Fuckers. After seeing a recent Eli Stone episode, I remember saying to my life that I kinda love this show. This really, really saddens me that shit like Knight Rider is successful (good one, Maltheus!) and all these shows where people die horrible deaths and awful shit happens do so well, but shows that actually celebrate life and love and faith and magic are doomed. (ok, some people die horrible deaths in Pushing Daisies, but they're whimsically horrible). Bah, tv sucks. I really should wean my addiction.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Need a New Paradigm

    by chromedome

    Truly Creative shows should have a business plan based on one successful season on the network to establish an audience, then subsequent seasons on dvd only: direct delivery to fans, avoiding the scheduling games networks play, and the profits go more directly to the talent producing the shows--less to sponsors and network suits.<p>Once the Quality programming is generally realized to be NOT on broadcast TV, the networks will turn around and try to keep some of it to have some credibility.<p>The Artists should USE the networks to find/create an audience, then serve that audience directly, removing the whims and instability of the networks.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 3:55 p.m. CST

    I read somewhere...

    by The Eskimo

    ...that the reason a lot of these fan based shows get canceled is the way they figure ratings. That the sample they use is more based on geographic areas and audiences that are more prone to advertising. Wonder if there is any truth to that? I'm not sure how they really figure ratings. Guess I'll have to Google it...

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 4:29 p.m. CST

    ABC and networks are useless

    by markthrust

    ABC sucks Balls. Even if a million DVD copies of season one get sold no one at the network will care. American TV steals material from BBC(Life on Mars) and Telemundo(Ugly Betty) Why not learn to generate short run series like Galactica telenovellas? 3\>'s

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST

    And as stated earlier Wednesdays episode

    by skimn

    with Fred Willard was hitting on all cylinders. All it needed was Chuck and Olive dressed up in some cute undercover outfit. Did anyone notice, has the Barry Sonifeld (sp) directed episode run this season yet?

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 7:13 p.m. CST

    @ thecomedian re: WGA strike

    by buffywrestling

    That's funny because I didn't think writers had the power to cancel shows... <p> Oh yeah. I went there.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 8:23 p.m. CST

    And more news on the big bad WGA

    by buffywrestling

    http://tinyurl.com/5jrjab <p> Yeah, the WRITERS are evil. <p> Send bees. Big, nasty, hybrid "Swarm" movie bees to all of those CEO grub fucks.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 8:30 p.m. CST

    hate to be a bummer but

    by johnnyangelheart

    most shows should only get two seasons. And I'm talking about the good ones. Most shows can't sustain their creativity longer than that.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 8:52 p.m. CST

    johnnyangel

    by buffywrestling

    While I don't particularly agree that show can not sustain itself longer than two seasons, I do think that there is studio pressure to keep at rating hit alive past its prime. It's a business and I get that. But extending and stretching a series will ultiamtely make it go out with a whimper and not a bang. <p> Take for example, the final season of ER this year. The ratings are higher than ever because it is the final season and in my opinion, not due to the stellar cast or story lines. It is something that is in the pop culture consiousness that must be observed. <p> Lost has done the right thing by giving it an expiration date. The final season rating will be massive...And honestly, I think execs will talk someone into spinning it off anyway. I don't think they should but I kinda thought the same thing when Cheers went off the air and Frasier was picked up.

  • Nov. 22, 2008, 1:12 a.m. CST

    "Not cancelled..."

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...but not getting picked up. <p>Does this sound like a scene from OFFICE SPACE? The "powers that be" are simply correcting the mistake? </p>

  • Nov. 22, 2008, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Dirty Sexy Money is getting so good though!...

    by DanielKurland

    It's getting so over the top, and to have the main character just say "fuck it all" and leave his wife, which he was fighting so hard for in the rest of the show, is pretty interesting. I guess it gives Peter Krause a chance to do something more demonstrative of his talents.

  • Nov. 22, 2008, 2:24 a.m. CST

    Also, has anyone noticed that...

    by DanielKurland

    on Sports Night, Six Feet Under, and Dirty Sexy Money, Krause's character's wife/ex-wife is ALWAYS named Lisa? It must be intentional at this point. Also, I loved Pushing Daisies, but I really don't see it working as a movie. It's not as if there were a ton of unresolved issues either. Have Emerson get his daughter, and then have Ned and Chuck get some resolution. Or a three way with Olive.

  • Nov. 22, 2008, 4:01 a.m. CST

    spacechampion

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    that idea about a tv channel full of cancelled shows is BRILLIANT. Most cancelled shows live onto be cult classics anyway. A channel with reruns of Arrested, Firefly, Pushing Daisies, Jericho, Dead Like Me, Sports Night, etc.? I'm so there.

  • Nov. 22, 2008, 5:54 a.m. CST

    Cult-TV

    by buffywrestling

    I would be there. I'd wear bells.

  • Nov. 22, 2008, 6:11 a.m. CST

    Cancel ABC

    by Napoleon Park

    I was watching more shows on ABC than any other network. So they cancel dirty, Eli and Daisies. Put Lost on hold until late January. Put Life On Mars on hiatus until January. Give Boston Legal a 13 ep send off season so it will be gone soon. Double feature the Shonda Rhimes medical shows for added burnout factor and toss them up against the ER finale season. If it wasn't for Desperate housewives, they could just pull the plug and take the next two months off altogether.<p>Repeat: I was watching more shows on ABC than any other net and most of the other nets combined. Apparently they didn't want me as a viewer.

  • Nov. 22, 2008, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Dirty Sexy Money. . . .

    by Darth_Kaos

    is an awesome show! Like someone wrote before it's trashy, but very well made, acted and written. My favorite shows are always getting the axe. If it wasn't for Tina Fey doing Palin this year, 30 Rock would be gone too.<br><br> My better half suggested that DSM move to a cable network (HBO-SHOWTIME, which would actually better a option for that show. It could go to the next level. It would be a HIT!

  • Nov. 22, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Daisy Daisy

    by lambchop

    DAMN damn DAMN damn DAMN. Yeez I am so angry I could happily find the a**hole who made the call to can Pushing Daisies and kick his kidneys through his nostrils. I am now going to drown my sorrows in a freshly baked apple pie

  • Nov. 22, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    You FUCKERS

    by Veraxus

    Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. Pushing Daisies was the best thing to ever happen to network television. It was cute, poignant, inspired, and more fun than I've ever had watching anything that wasn't on HBO or Showtime. Fuck you ABC. As soon as the last episode of Daisies airs, I'm blocking your channel completely... and brace yourself for the impending tidal wave of daisies, pie, and africanized honey bees. Die in a fucking fire for me, please.

  • Nov. 22, 2008, 6:16 p.m. CST

    and yet the shit that is LOM sticks around

    by blonde redhead

    while PD gets canned. an unfair world. the 'cliffhanger' episode turns out to be a twin peaks ripoff? leave it to the october road gang to fuck up good television.

  • Nov. 22, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Fuckin' tragedy.

    by CoursinLarry

    I wish they could have been able to do a proper final episode of Pushing Daisies. I wanted to see the Pie Maker give Chuck one more touch.

  • Nov. 22, 2008, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Loosing Dirty Sexy hurts the most

    by Stormwatcher

    A better show than Desp Housewives if your married and have to concede the remote sometimes.

  • Nov. 23, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Pushing Daisies should be Picked Up By Another

    by frakthetoasters

    Pushing Daisies has had a raw deal. It was shortened due to the Writer's Strike which didn't allow it to get as many viewers it deserved. It is a tragedy. It is the best show on television that has an original idea (no cops, lawyers, doctors, CSI people etc.) I think another station should pick it up and continue the story.

  • Nov. 23, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Poor "Daises"

    by subtlety

    A real solid effort that only got better with time. I feel like it was unfortunately one of those shows that the execs always kind of suspected was too weird to be commercially viable. So then, when it took awhile to find its audience, they were just like "ah ha, I KNEW this would happen!" Great show, though. I wonder if there's any hope it'll get picked up elsewhere?

  • Nov. 23, 2008, 8:09 p.m. CST

    I've lost my faith in network TV

    by griffery

  • Nov. 24, 2008, 12:54 a.m. CST

    The Lees in the shows?

    by goku_z

    Eli Stone and Pushing Daisies have Johnny Lee Miller and Lee Pace as leads. Maybe someone does not like that name. Eli Stone is a great show. ABC sucks.

  • Nov. 24, 2008, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Eli Stone wasn't given a chance!!

    by aspamman

    Stone was a great show with a unique plot. I think if ABC gave it a chance by promoting it, things would be different.

  • Nov. 24, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Whoo time to call your florist to send daises to ABC

    by codefool

    Now you can start a 'Push' the Daises to ABC. I'm sure some florist somewhere would be happy to maintain the campaign just for the publicity. Not that I care about the show, I just like the thought of seeing news crews film piles and piles of daises in front of ABC.