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Doomsday Hits SMALLVILLE!!

Published at:  Nov 20, 2008 10:55:22 PM CST

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Doomsday has to be the dullest supervillain this side of Darth Maul. All he does is hit stuff. I bet Lex and Brainiac and Mxyzptlk all made the masturbation gesture when they heard Doomsday got to kill Superman.

Still, dude’s got a following, I guess, and tonight he brings his rocky fists to tonight’s “Smallville,” the last new one, I gather, we’ll see for a while. A preview:



The next new “Smallville” after tonight will give us our first live-action look at The Legion of Superheroes. Let’s hope their uniforms look a little less Xanadu than those of the “Smallville” version of the Justice League.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 1:00:29 AM CST

    And on SUPERNATURAL...

    by shermdawg

    Dean gets some ugly redhead poontang.

    Reply to Talkback

  • looks ridiculous

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  • Nov 20, 2008 1:19:03 AM CST

    I would have prefered Titano

    by continentalop

    A giant ape with kryptonite vision would be a lot cooler.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 1:25:13 AM CST

    For Years Ive Been Asking Myself. Why Dont I Watch

    by frodo t. baggins

    Time Slot? Channel? Not In High School? DVDs Are Expensive. But I Want To See What All The Fuss Is About.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 20, 2008 1:32:54 AM CST

    Wow!!!!

    by shogunmaster

    I had no idea that Smallville was still on...

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  • Nov 20, 2008 2:17:12 AM CST

    Fuck off Herc.

    by grando

    Darth Maul was awesome, a single beacon on of kick-assery in an otherwise unmitigated piece of shit.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 2:19:14 AM CST

    I cannot deny it, It's gotten better

    by filmstu2005

    I've never been a fan of Smallville post season4. Season 5, 6, and 7 were almost painful to watch. Especially the episode where Jimmy Olsen became a wackass Secret Agent? Lame. But its a guilty pleasure of mine, and I make sure to catch the episodes I can. I mean, its Superman! With that being said, I must say that this season has made major improvements. The actress playing Tess, Lex's female limosouine driver and closest confidant in the Superman/Justice League cartoons, is a really good. She brings some fierce acting to the table. She's a good replacement for Lex. This season has been better than most, with some awkward episodes. The chick that played Maxima was HORRIBLE. You can't just pick out some random anorexic redheaded (probably dyed) model, throw a fashionable spacesuit on her and call her Maxima Intergalactic Warrior. Lame. But yea, I'm really looking forward to seeing the Legion of Superheroes and how the whole Doomsday (still way too early though) plays out. Its def. gotten better.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 2:21:22 AM CST

    what was the last we saw of doomsday in the comics?

    by soup74

    i have a great idea for doomsday, but where did they leave off with him in the comics?

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  • Nov 20, 2008 2:31:45 AM CST

    Reality...

    by monkeymanreturns

    I've been recording alot of stuff on my tv recorder thingee over the last few months....and when you see different shows more frequently than once-a-week, and start comparing the shows you watch with each other...you begin to know which shows are compelling (in that you want to see again) and which are just becoming poor....Supernatural - good show; Heroes - becoming very irritating; Dexter - suberb; Fringe - I'm sorry but what was the fuss about? Its a very poor show; but Smallville (for all its cheesiness) isn't a bad show...it is entertaining...and I want to watch the next episodes...even though sometimes they get things wrong (supes with no cape, Chloe being super-hacker)...the fact it has lasted so long is testament to its quality (because if the show was pants (sucked), it would be off the air)...and all these guys who say "Is smallville still on?" are obviously in the minority cos Yes, it is still on and has been for the last 8 years...while Pushing Daisies and Terminator, and Heroes are all near execution....and Journeyman, Six feet Under, and teen-fare Mutant X and OC have died...fact is...it is a solid show...it won't win 'The Wire' like praise...it won't get Emmys..but it has endured and that is due to its story writers and cast and crew...you can't mock a show like this...it's earned some respect...Shows that do not produce results are killed quickly (Bionic woman)...shows that do - are kept going...Smallville must be doing something right...

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  • Nov 20, 2008 2:36:42 AM CST

    I stopped watching after the pilot

    by wash

    And after watching that clip on YouTube, I think I can safely say I'm really glad I didn't waste any more time trying to keep up with it.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 2:39:25 AM CST

    Don't think it'll be back next year

    by brody77

    From what I've seen Doomsday looks pants.
    Bet tonight ends with CK getting a beasting!

    How come there's no AICN coverage of the Terminator Salvation event in the UK yesterday?

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  • Nov 20, 2008 2:55:40 AM CST

    Hey Frodo

    by thebomankicksassandtakesblame

    For years I've been asking myself, why DO I watch?

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  • Nov 20, 2008 3:19:14 AM CST

    best season in years

    by hatemphd

    somehow, by removing Lex, the show has improved. This season has been amazing. Give it a chance, watch the old episodes that have aired this season. And Darth Maul was the only good thing about episode 4 you fucking twit.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 3:24:00 AM CST

    hatemphd

    by shermdawg

    It's not better because Rosenbaum left. It's better because Gough&Millar left.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 3:24:32 AM CST

    Also, Maul wasn't in episode 4.

    by shermdawg

  • Nov 20, 2008 3:43:41 AM CST

    And i get owned

    by hatemphd

    :( Now im the fucking twit. But not having half an episode devoted to Rosenbaum has helped, despite the fact that he was the best actor on the show.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 3:55:08 AM CST

    Smallville..

    by tinspider

    Is entertaining shit, but full of hits and misses. Last weeks ep was great, the week before was shite.. and this seems to be the pattern. I think there has probably been a maximum run of about 4 good episodes before a shit one showed up. But this season has been better without the painful Lana story. That shit really dragged it down. I used to think she was really hot when I started watching. By the time she left, I couldn't stand the sight of the bitch.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 3:59:52 AM CST

    "his rocky fists"?!?!

    by the fanboy

    They aren't rocks. Those are bones protruding. He regenerates like a mother fucker, his body grows bones to help protect vital things (over his eyes for example).

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  • Nov 20, 2008 5:30:13 AM CST

    I'm just happy he looks like Doomsday...

    by aaron synn

    The way Smallville usually goes, I was expecting some pretty-boy model with a few long, hard zits.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 5:50:55 AM CST

    Good season

    by mrfloppy

    This one is a good one, without Lex and Lionel, and (I'm shocked myself) Lana.

    But they still do stupid things, like erase Chloe's memories ¬_¬

    But ey... naked Witwer, that makes me forget the fautls XD

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  • Nov 20, 2008 5:51:43 AM CST

    I like the Mr. Hyde thing they're doing with Doomsday

    by david cloverfield

    Also, Clark mind raping Chloe will bite him in the ass I hope.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 6:14:53 AM CST

    Who the F'...

    by mjohnson

    ...still watches this crapfest?

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  • Nov 20, 2008 6:19:33 AM CST

    I swore I'd quit wtching this show

    by br1947

    but ended up catching an ep a few weeks ago and got back into it. It actually HAS gotten better. Dropping Lana and starting to write plots that are not entirely retarded and remotely resemble Superman have done wonders for the show. This season should have happened around 4 years ago. Still not sold on Doomsday, but hey at least they are doing a halfway decent job of it and are writing out alot of the fuckups the previous writers did and putting it back on track as something remembling Superman.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 6:40:26 AM CST

    Smallville continues to surprise...

    by j2talk

    the show need to change the name now that the focus is on Metropolis...Thankfully they got rid of Rosenbaum and Kreuk-Did we REALLY need Lex around all the time? And having Clark moon over Lana Lang was incredibly dull and pointless- not to mention WHO would pass on Cloe for her?!?!?!?

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  • Nov 20, 2008 7:40:50 AM CST

    j2talk

    by david cloverfield

    "Smallville" is Clark's nickname, so the title works.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 7:41:59 AM CST

    Is this still on? Who actually watches it?

    by alifemde

    Do people only watch Smallville to laugh at it?

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 20, 2008 8:01:56 AM CST

    Smallville's Face is Pants

    by bill brasky

    ...R.I.P. Smallville. You jumped the shark way back when Lana's ex-boyfriend conveniently died in Afghanistan. Oh, and you jump it every episode when...Clark...can't...fly...uggghh.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 8:03:12 AM CST

    Doomsday smart?

    by gislef_crow

    I think even in the comics they've given his some intelligence and emotion (which Superman uses to outsmart him). So in fairness, making this Doomsday a Hyde-type with a more solid Krypton backstory isn't too bad for Smallville. The Chloe-memory thing will almost certainly be temporary. And the Tess sitch has been a major misfire. She's as evil as Lex but with no motivation for being evil. She'll kill a man with a poison flower one week, and tell Clark (apparently sincerely) she wants him to trust her the next for her altruistic reasons. She smiles and takes Oliver's gift dress one week, and kicks him out of the bed the next. She's got no motivation: whatever else they mangled with Lex on the show in the later part of the run (like falling in love with Perfect Lana (tm)), you had the father/son backstory angst and the attempts to do good. Tess, she's just convenient continuing-villain with occasional temporary personality changes if they need her to be a bit good to fill in a plot point.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 8:14:58 AM CST

    You Know What?

    by a-cod

    I was watching the Superman Animated clip and WB should of abandoned the animation style after Batman. Ecspecially because they are trying to skew older. Why is it we get much better animation in video game cut scenes than we do in Animated Movies. I know it has something to do with the straight to video budgets.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 8:26:06 AM CST

    Bill Brasky is an 8ft. tall beastman

    by cletus van damme

    He showers in vodka, and feeds his baby shrimp scampi.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 9:02:41 AM CST

    Soup74 - Doomsday was in the comics last week.

    by squashua

    He was sent in by a shadow arm of the US Government to beat on the Kryptonians from New Krypton.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 9:25:46 AM CST

    Superman:Doomsday

    by nuck81

    So I was all into that animated clip and kept thinking why is everyone hating on this thing so bad? Then I watched the last minute of it and said "oh, ok"

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  • Nov 20, 2008 9:36:56 AM CST

    Lana appears too

    by big jim

    Dollars to doughnuts she ends up in the hospital and/or has a car accident.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 9:53:06 AM CST

    Chloe's mindwipe...

    by darth_nader

    Does it also include her knowledge of the rest of the 'League'? What about meteor freaks? This season at least has more action and less whining that the last few seasons, but it's also getting dumber.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 9:53:28 AM CST

    DOOMSDAY is coming...

    by the teacher 1973

    ...but not for this show. I don't know if it will be the last season, but to my surprise, it is working. Lois (actress and character) kicks Lana's Street Fighter ass. The Davis/Doomsday character is doing great with the whole Jekyl/Hyde thing. Chloe is awesome. Jimmy is Jimmy. And Tom Welling, although he may not have much of a career after this, does a great job all the way. I thought Lex was great, but so far this season has been much better than I thought it would be. I can't wait for tonight and the future Legion episodes.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 10:08:41 AM CST

    soup74

    by jamestewart007

    Superman got rid of him when he took him to the place where time ends because he can't die.
    If he came back after that, then... shit.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 10:17:39 AM CST

    Is this when the show will go back to suckyness now.

    by erichaislar

    Because lana is back.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 10:17:47 AM CST

    smallville ruined Supes returns for me

    by himbo

    Maybe I got spoiled by Smallville, since it actually spent time with Clark Kent. The Spiderman movies that were about Peter Parker worked. Iron Man about Tony Stark. Superman Returns was about Superman, and Lois Lane. Clark Kent was treated like a clown in that movie, which is why it was an incomplete success. Buffoonish Clark in Supes 1, 2, was an outgrowth of Clark's struggle to do the right thing and keept those near to him safe. Smallville successfully reveals Clark to be motivated by Love, Truth, Justice and the American Way.

    All that said, I cut the show out of the rotation last season. But I remember it fondly, from once upon a time.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 10:22:00 AM CST

    Smallville crack

    by hikaru ichijo

    I too will watch the occasional episode of Smallville. The new cast and setting is working, albeit somewhat contrived. I hope they end the show properly with a big budget two hour finale, even if it has a few more seasons left in it. Also, put Clark in glasses already.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 10:25:51 AM CST

    Wow, I'm actually going to watch this shit tonite

    by raymar

    A live-action Doomsday! Was that so hard, Bryan Singer?

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  • Nov 20, 2008 10:31:59 AM CST

    Doomsday on Smallville. Now with corrected typos.

    by tj donkey show

    This is what's going to happen. Davis turns into Doomsday, Clark shows up and gets the ever lovin' shit kicked out of him. Doomsday continues his rampage, until Chloe confronts him. And we get awesome dialog that will go something like this. Chloe: Davis I know you're in there, please stop (Boo-Hoo). Doomsday: No worry, Hulk no hurt Betty. Doomsday turns back into Davis and everyone agrees that he's to dangerous to bet set free. So he either kills himself or gets sent to the Phantom Zone. Ta-Dah the end.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 10:35:34 AM CST

    How dumb are the kids in Smallville?

    by continentalop

    They still are in High School? What is it, a special needs school? All kidding aside, I always thought they should have done 4 years of "Smallville" and then have Clark go to college and call it "Metropolis". You would have moved beyond the entire Superboy problem, you could have had an entirely new cast of characters, and you could of had him meet Lori Lemaris.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 10:48:34 AM CST

    Objective coverage

    by mr.ftw

    Over the past 7 years it's been more than obvious that Herc hates Smallville even though it has had Whedonverse alumni involved. That's usually the trump card for him loving something. But not Smallville, I don't get it. The show barely gets any coverage on this site and when it does Herc just trashes it so why does he even bother. If you don't like the show that's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion but for a long running genre show about the world's greatest hero to barely get mentions on a site that celebrates nerdiness and geekdom kind of blows my mind. Not to mention that neither Supernatural or Reaper get any kind of coverage at all. Why is it the coaxial tv column just a column for things one guy likes and not the community of people that visit this site? If Joss sneezes or switches shampoo there is an instant posting. It would be nice to see a little more objective coverage in this column and not just a blitz of information when a season of the Gilmore Girls goes on sale.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 11:00:04 AM CST

    Devoted Fan

    by playhouse

    I never saw the first season when it aired, caught it on DVD and started watching part way into Season 2. But as someone who - right, wrong, indifferent but certainly inexplicably a lot of times - has watched the show continuously since then, I can't help but be excited by this new season.

    After a weak season 4 (which was extremely disappointing after what is still the show's best season finale in season 3), they bounced back a little in season 5 only to begin to lose it in season 6 and fall off the rails in season 7. It's not that the show hasn't had good ideas (amongst bad ones, admittedly) throughout. It's that the writing has often not supported those ideas well. Season 7 was the prime example of that.

    I wasn't looking that forward to season 8 but I couldn't deny that there was an excitement about it coming into the proceedings that hadn't been around in years. AlMiles were finally jettisoned and they kicked the two biggest crutches of the show out from under them: Lex and Lana.

    The loss of Rosenbaum was inconceivable. Oh, it was high time for Lex to be out of the picture in order to push Clark's destiny forward, but Rosenbaum consistently brought so much to the table (as did his on-screen father John Glover) that you couldn't help but think that this would irreparably wound the show. Clark's counterpoint was gone, as was someone who always upped the game of the other acting playing opposite him in a scene.

    With Lana, conversely, Kristin Kreuk was saddled with perhaps one of the worst written characters in the history of television. I feel bad for her - aside from the experience she got to garner as an actress - because she never had a consistent character to play and her character was a significant detriment to the entire proceedings. The fact that AlMiles had such a hard-on for Lana and threw her onto the highest of high pillars never let the character be real and someone you could identify with or rally behind. She was the worst in damsels-in-distress and when they finally started to give her meatier things to do the Dark Lana direction rang so hollow. I don't blame Kreuk; I blame the writing.

    But Lex and Lana being gone is exactly what this show needed. It forced them to stop relying on old tropes, recycling confrontations and conversations over and over again. And with AlMiles gone, the writers have felt unleashed to finally carry on the altered premise of the show that was introduced in Season 4: Clark accepting and embracing his destiny.

    Now, season 8 didn't start out perfectly. The writing felt like kids in a candy store. Again, the ideas were solid but the writing felt way too schlocky comic booky. I was very ready to throw in the towel and move on. And then, almost immediately, it changed. The show is far removed from the setting of the first few seasons, which would only be natural after so many years. It finally feels as if it is maturing and advancing.

    I thought the Doomsday arc was one of the dumbest ideas when it was announced, and yet with Sam Witwer in the role and the deft writing the show has made it work and makes you care about the character. With the episode 'Identity' a few weeks ago, we were finally introduced to Superman in the Smallville universe. Not necessarily Clark in the tights but the public was given a teaser and Clark (finally!) saw himself as a symbol of hope for the masses. The people now know a man in blue and red is out there helping and protecting.

    Now, I'd hardly ever call Smallville a bastion of excellent television writing. But if you gave up on the show long ago, give it another look. I think you'll be surprised by this season.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 11:04:19 AM CST

    Isn't it a little early to be introducing Doomsday?

    by curious jorge

    Kent hasn't even had a career yet as Supes, and already he's meeting the career-ender?

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  • Nov 20, 2008 11:21:44 AM CST

    there always has been an

    by emeraldboy

    elitist streak on this site for years. I am not talking about the talkback. some of the contributors(most notably on mister H. Knowles) who really despise certain filmmakers. for reasons that still make no sense. whatsoever.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 11:25:33 AM CST

    The Doomsday storyline is how they are going to end...

    by emeraldboy

    Smallville. This is smallvile. superman the early years. So maybe if the reboot works, they will re-introduce Doomsday at some point.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 11:30:13 AM CST

    Doomsday will take place on December 21, 2012...

    by leafar the lost

    ...and a black man will be president when the world ends. I can't wait! As far as Smallville goes, will someone please cancel this show? The people who make Smallville stopped watching it two years ago.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 11:50:24 AM CST

    this season has been amazing

    by indyabbey jones

    the show used to bother me with all of its "superman" hints that went no where, but this year it feels like its all adding up, like there actual momentum to change as opposed to the usual format of freak of the week, person who doesn't know clark's secret get knocked out unconscience, clark saves the day, followed by a scene involving clark moping int he farm house about being differentnow if they would just turn him into superman already, give us a season 9 that actually has him as superman, hell even have him leave at the end of this year, advance season 9 5-6 years down the road and have clark come back as superman..the time leap might help people of metrolopis not rmembering clark without glassesjust a thought, then again what do i know?

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  • Nov 20, 2008 12:10:49 PM CST

    They'll Wrap it up Tonight

    by tuddlefo

    The problem is, Smallville has usually comes to some sort of conclusion at the end of every episode. (Minus the season ending cliff hangers and 2 parters). I really think they should leave characters in peril at the end of every episode and make it one flowing story.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 12:12:08 PM CST

    Cletus Van Damme

    by bill brasky

    Your doom is near...next Tuesday night! How did you like when Vic told the ICE Agent "How much more room does that thing have?" - And you've got to feel for Shane & Family. What a sad, retarded sack of shit!

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  • Nov 20, 2008 12:12:52 PM CST

    Playhouse...that sums it up quite nicely...

    by darth macchio

    ...and to MonkeyManReturns, Six Feet Under didn't "die" as Ball decided to stop the show letting it end, by choice, at 5 seasons. And that last episode still remains the single greatest thing I have ever seen on 'television'.As for Smallville, Playhouse pretty much captured my take...used to be I wouldn't miss the show and we'd all hook up and watch on my brother's system (my cable doesn't issue WB in hi-def, those assholes!) but now I'll actually forget sometimes to watch which doesn't mean I hate it but does mean it's not such a huge priority any longer.This is the last season though so for the haters, you'll get your wish come the end of Spring.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 12:15:50 PM CST

    What the hell is a "Smallville"??

    by spidermonkee

    I thought this was the Supernatural talkback...

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  • Nov 20, 2008 12:24:32 PM CST

    Misc answers

    by don lockwood

    Frodo: Get Netflix and watch all the Smallville you can handle. It's cheaper than buying the DVDs and you can watch them at your own pace. Hell, you can even stream stuff via your XBox or your TiVo now.

    Continentalop: No, they're not in high school anymore and haven't been for a while. However, they never went to college either. Chlow and Clark just seemed to get jobs as reporters at The Daily Planet with no credentials whatsoever.

    Darth Nader: I wondered the same thing about the mind wipe. Does she remember being Oracle-esque? Does she know who Green Arrow is? The rest of the League? I'd think maybe all of that is gone as fruit of the poison tree, but maybe they'll clear it up for us tonight since Oliver appears to be around.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 12:31:34 PM CST

    This season has been so much better without Lana

    by spyguy

    Yeah, she's back tonight and for four more episodes after that, but then that's it so the series should end much stronger. And thank Rao that Doomsday looks like an actual monster instead having Sam Witwer with NEXT GEN makeup shit stuck on his face.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 12:36:59 PM CST

    Doomsday is just the Hulk with a skin condition.

    by zerocorpse

    Which proves the Hulk could kill Superman. By the way, Smallville sucks.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 12:38:13 PM CST

    knowing Smallville Doomsday will be...

    by smackfu

    a mischeivous prettyboy who one of the smallville girls starts dating except she doesn't realize his true motives...on account of him being a teenage pretty boy instead of a giant green monster with jagged stone shards protruding from his body.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 12:44:03 PM CST

    Herc Doomsday works as a villain

    by smackfu

    in the same way Venom initially worked before marvel started whoring him, as well as many other relentless killing machine villains that have graced many a franchise. The reason it works, is because for once, you get to see the hero really get put through the ringer. Get his ass kicked, so hard that he *runs* for the first time ever. And the villains relentless, mindless pursuit of the hero stirs up feelings like the original Halloween. It's a unique type of fear, the mysterious entity that seems unstoppable and never stops pursuing you no matter what you do to it. Smart scheming villains are great, but the juggernaut killing machine can be pretty entralling if done correctly. And by done correctly, I mean quality suffering for the protagonist.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 12:55:09 PM CST

    What is the deal with Smallville?

    by l.h.puttgrass

    They've got him fighting all of Superman's enemies before he becomes Superman! Even the ones that don't show up until well after he puts on the big blue suit. They're throwing out all of the character's continuity. It's like a Superman Elseworld. "What if Clark Kent runs into everyone before he puts on the super suit?" Answer: Superman is flying around the world in his new suit with nothing to do in the last episode. And he gets bored. Me too.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 1:07:43 PM CST

    Clark's fighting an all-CGI Doomsday in badly lit rooms?

    by tallboy66

    Eh, at least they (maybe) got the look right. Sure, it doesn't exactly mesh all that well for CGI characters, but all CG characters on TV has always been a tad dodgy. You'd figure by 2008 it'd look at least better when Voyager did it with Species 8417

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  • Nov 20, 2008 1:44:10 PM CST

    Sons of Anarchy!

    by oisin5199

    I'm still a few weeks behind on my Smallville viewing, but I've been watching every SOA as it airs. Freakin' incredible show with amazingly nuanced characters. And what a jaw dropper last night. As soon as I realized what they were doing, I was practically yelling, no! at the screen. Wow. Can't wait for the coming beatdown. Anyone else think the guy playing Jax could step in for Ledger as the Joker?

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  • Nov 20, 2008 2:32:09 PM CST

    SOA

    by celebritydave

    Great show. It may help fill some of the void left by "The Shield".. Vic Mackey should join the Sons :)
    Must be the final episode of S1 next week? i hate 13 episode seasons :(

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  • Nov 20, 2008 3:32:56 PM CST

    L.H.Puttgrass

    by playhouse

    Yeah, Smallville is very much an Elseworlds story.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 4:00:10 PM CST

    This season of Smallville is fantastic

    by mr slippy fist

    I thought dropping Lex would be the deathblow to the show, but replacing him with that hot piece of trim and now an authentic version of Doomsday really kicks all kinds of ass. Have to give Smallville its props. Fantastic season thus far.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 4:03:00 PM CST

    Oh, and one more thing

    by mr slippy fist

    Is it me or with the size of Chloe’s nose, shouldn’t the writers given her the superpower to snort an entire 8 ball of kryptonite cocaine and then go on a 2 week binger ala Paris Hilton? Those 2 look identical.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 4:13:24 PM CST

    ..

    by crazybubba

    herc hittin hard with the honesty, love it But your wrong about Darth Maul--Lucas should've never killed him. Watching yoda jump around like sonic the hedgehog was sad and painful. Anyway smallville's been a huge disappointment. thought things would pick up when they canned those two writers, but sadly no.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 4:46:09 PM CST

    Doomdsday makes a better weapon than villain

    by drewlicious

    He's that final challenge, best unleashed by real villain like Luthor, that gives Superman a run for his money and ultimately makes him a champion.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 4:54:47 PM CST

    I'm gonna watch...

    by shaft478

    ...this for the first time ever tonight. If they wanted new viewers from putting Doomsday on it'll probably work. For one show at least.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 4:55:22 PM CST

    drewlicious, you nailed it

    by continentalop

    Doomsday isn't a villain, he is a plot device.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 4:56:26 PM CST

    The scope of devastation...

    by shaft478

    ...has to be huge for this to work. Buildings have to crumble. Streets need to cave. Clark needs to bleed, heavily.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 4:58:16 PM CST

    Not in Continuity

    by ky-el

    Yes this show has obviously become an Elseworlds. At least since about Season 5. JLU members shouldn't be forming their groups with their aliases this early. And villains like Brainiac (which has met with young Clark in some tellings) has had way too much contact this early to ever fit in with the larger general Supes mythology/continuity. And Clark should definitely not be at the Daily Planet before Perry White and definitely shouldn't but there this long before donning the suit. Although I don't really think the term Elseworld applies. This is probably Earth 33.1 or something. J/k or maybe not.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 6:08:34 PM CST

    Smallville is just Superman lite...

    by lead_sharp

    WB could just using it as a testing ground for what might work on the big screen. Personally I got sick of Smallville when they introduced Lois as a one trick pony, having an obligatory bikini scene every frigging episode is not building character. As well as simply trying to cram as much mythology into a show which could have built it's own far more easily and interestingly. Meeting superheroes before they become superheroes is very cool. Watching them become superheroes before the big S is lame. Introducing them as long term characters also gets rid of any novelty value and for the want of another word devalues what Superman represents to characters like this ie the first superhero.

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  • Just another example of what an epic fail Superman Returns was. I don't even watch Smallville but I'll check this out tonight just to see Doomsday not because I think he's an awesome villain, but because it's nice to see somebody pit a real monster of a villain against Superman in live action again.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 7:52:25 PM CST

    um?

    by yubnubrocks

    that the fuck is going on in tonight's episode? seriously. I can't follow it worth shit.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 7:59:45 PM CST

    what did lois say to clark at the end?

    by indyabbey jones

    i sneezed and missed it..seriously, what did she say to him?

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  • Nov 20, 2008 8:04:34 PM CST

    Shades of Cloverfield

    by melvin_pelvis

    hope they show more of Doomsday than was shown of Clovie

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  • Nov 20, 2008 8:13:39 PM CST

    Yubnubrocks

    by johnny smith

    Are you high?

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  • Nov 20, 2008 8:17:29 PM CST

    Indy

    by malpaso

    She said "what if we can't?" in response to Clark's "we'll get her (Chloe) back."

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  • Nov 20, 2008 8:21:33 PM CST

    I couldnt watch superman doomsday

    by goingsomewhere8

    those weird cheekbones... I couldnt even finish that clip...

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  • Nov 20, 2008 8:24:08 PM CST

    WTF?? no new Eps till January??

    by j2talk

    WTF?? no new Eps till January??...Memo to networks, how about a nice 26 week uninterrupted run?.....want to really be revolutionary? how about extending the seasons out to 30-36 episodes a season- hell a year is 52 weeks, but that would be asking too much

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  • Nov 20, 2008 8:36:56 PM CST

    Good call shooting Doomsday using half-shadows

    by spyguy

    I thought it made Doomsday look more impressive by just showing glimpses in shadows instead of full-on, brightly-lit shots. Besides, this obviously wasn't the big showdown between Clark and Doomsday, so it was better to tease the audience a little.

    And yes, waiting until January for new episodes sucks, but at least we get the Legion of Super-Heroes as the first new episode of 2009. Fingers crossed for the Time Trapper as the villain!

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  • Nov 20, 2008 8:49:34 PM CST

    Why was Chloe smiling at Doomsday at the end?

    by snake foreskin

    And why is Lex hooked up to that contraption? Is he Brainiac now? Weird. I liked the episode for some reason. I think the Doomsday makeup looks terrible, but then again, Doomsday looked like shite in the comic book, too.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 8:51:51 PM CST

    *spoiler* RE: Legion episode

    by victornewman

    Maybe I was seeing things, but I believe I saw Persuader in the preview. Metal mask, axe....yup, there's your villain

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  • Nov 20, 2008 9:02:29 PM CST

    WORST

    by shermdawg

  • Nov 20, 2008 9:02:43 PM CST

    EPISODE

    by shermdawg

  • Nov 20, 2008 9:02:59 PM CST

    EVER.

    by shermdawg

  • Nov 20, 2008 9:08:36 PM CST

    After the last few weeks, I thought...

    by shermdawg

    ...maybe, just maybe, the show was improving, but tonight we were given every single thing that sucks about this show minus an appearance of Tess Mercer.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 9:12:40 PM CST

    Bill Brasky

    by cletus van damme

    You are correct, sir! I fear for my namesake, butwill watch with my eyes taped open...best show on TV, save perhaps Dexter.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 9:14:10 PM CST

    So the whole Supes universe = smallville

    by the_scream

    I didn't realise Clark met and fought every villain before he even became Superman. Why didn't the writers just move onto "Metropolis" as has been suggested for years now? The show has become a joke. How many times can they work Kryptonite into a story baffles me.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 9:21:03 PM CST

    And SUPERNATURAL continues to be mediocre.

    by shermdawg

    The overabundance of comedy episodes broke the flow of the mythology, and now that they've gotten back on track with the main storyline, other problems arise. This new chick that took over as Ruby (Genevieve Cortese)fucking sucks. She can't act, and the role has been butchered. She's no longer the strong character that Katie Cassidy portrayed. And not really hinting at Sam going evil after setting it up, is beyond disappointing. This far in, and after Dean has been rescued from hell....THEY SHOULD NOT BE HAVING "DUDE" CONVERSATIONS TO THE EXTENT THEY ARE.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 9:22:16 PM CST

    Oh, and who saw Steel smack Clark...

    by shermdawg

    ...with his hammer in the teaser?Ugh.

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  • It's like keeping arsenic in the kitchen next to the salt in identical containers.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 9:27:48 PM CST

    Snake Foreskin

    by shermdawg

    I'm guessing Lex is now a vessel of sorts (i.e.good guy), and Lana is, of course working for him. (Don't know how they're gonna explain that one.) Setting up a clash with the Brainiac controlled Fortress/Jor-El.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 9:30:22 PM CST

    Big Jim

    by shermdawg

    I'm pretty sure it's there in case he ever goes nuts, and/or is under the effects of red kryptonite.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 9:32:35 PM CST

    Shermdawg

    by victornewman

    That wasnt Steel, it was Persuader, the legion villain (I think)

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  • Nov 20, 2008 9:41:14 PM CST

    Why was Doomsday

    by slaphappy slim

    Not even as big as Lou Ferrigno? Howard the Duck could kick that fucker's ass. Bring me a nude Lois Lane for comfort.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 9:47:33 PM CST

    Thanks Shermdawg, that sort of makes sense

    by big jim

    However, if he goes evil, what good does it do being at his house? Wouldn't it be better to give his Kryptonite stash to Oliver and J'onn J'onzz? That way, if need be, it's in the hands of someone who knows what to do with it. Instead it is always underfoot where Clark can, every second week, find himself on the brink of death when he knocks it off a bookshelf or it falls out of a drawer.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 9:47:40 PM CST

    Kryptonite Blows

    by slaphappy slim

    On this show, absolutely. Every time you turn around there's Clark vomiting in his mouth if he's even five feet away from a pebble of the goddamm stuff--and everyone's got some, just like a pet rock. Much like the Kryptonite Freak of the Week, every time you think they've moved past a certain crutch, there it is again. Therefore, more beer.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 9:49:54 PM CST

    And Lana ended up in the hospital

    by big jim

    Sure, so did a lot of other people, but it just wouldn't feel like a Smallville episode if there wasn't a scene with Lana in a hospital bed.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 9:53:02 PM CST

    Big Jim

    by shermdawg

    Manhunter probably has ways to get Clark undercontrol on hand, and I'm sure Queen has his own stock of kryptonite as well. That specific rock though was intended for his parents, Pete, Chloe, basically anyone (mortals) that knew his secret.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 9:56:04 PM CST

    Oh, and my ex-wife looked reeeeeally good tonight.

    by shermdawg

    She's still the worst character on the show (other than Tess), but DAMN, that new hairdo? Niiiice.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 11:08:22 PM CST

    j2talk, are you insane?

    by necgray

    When you write an episode of hourlong dramatic TV, we'll talk. 22 episodes is fucking hard enough. And look at Season 4 of Lost. Their best season yet and the episode count was dramatically cut. How about Mad Men? Less episodes = better quality.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 11:11:34 PM CST

    Ode to Smallville

    by hyphenatedwords

    Here you can enjoy my Personal Smallville Trivia Top Ten.

    1. A friend was over-exuberant when the show premiered and subsequently turned me off from it before I had ever seen an episode. The best example of this phenomenon is the night he called me and said only, "Tonight. Johnny Pneumonic. 12:30. Let’s go." And I still haven't seen that movie.

    2. Okay, so I finally caught an episode of Smallville during Season One. Ironically, in retrospect, it was one of the worst episodes of the series. I thought, "I was right. There's no way I'm watching this cheese fest."

    3. Then, I saw a preview for the Christopher Reeve episode in Season Two. I had to watch that to pay my respects to the man. I saw a show far removed from the other episode I'd seen. This one even used snippets of John Williams's music. I was a fan from that point forward.

    4. I bought the Smallville Talon Mix soundtrack. This helped me to learn some new, hip songs and years later surprise myself by singing along with my younger, hip friends when they played "Island in the Sun.” I played the CD for my toddler, and she loved it. "Everything" was my favorite song for a while.

    5. In 2004, the year I reconnected with my brother, we watched Smallville together. He came in on me watching an episode, so I hesitantly put in the first disk to start him from the beginning. He loved the good and bad of it -- the relationship between Clark and Lex and the metaphors for how we define power was especially exciting. Encouraging Jonathan to hug his son was excruciating. The nurse telling Jonathan that he and his wife had lost their baby and then promptly walking off screen... priceless. And the best line of the series? "Lex! I thought you were dead!" Big smiles.

    6. The first time an audience full of people saw me in my underwear, I was my Superman boxers. A friend saw my member peaking out of my fly. That was embarrassing.

    7. Thanksgiving, 2004 - My brother and I were going to watch some Smallville, and he called a girl to come over. We watched the show until we were getting slap happy tired, and I picked her up and carried her to bed. She became my girlfriend. Our four-year anniversary is this week.

    8. In September, 2006, both of our cars were out of commission. Smallville Season Five came out on DVD, but we had no wheels. So, we walked to the store. We walked four miles, through some rain, and under the toll road, to buy fucking Smallville Season Five. In a stroke of madness, we also purchased bikes so we could ride home.

    9. Tom Welling's birthday is April 26th, the same as my brothers. One year for my birthday, he hand crafted a metal shield with an S in it and put it on a necklace. It's hanging above me now.

    And number 10:

    I had a geekgasm watching this episode, "Prey." The beginning moments were the quiet fruition of seven seasons of solid character development.

    A few stinker episodes and story arcs aside, this series has been built on a foundation of character, especially in the parallel evolution of Clark, Lex, and Chloe. Now that Lex, Lionel, the Kents, and Lana are gone, we see Clark more isolated and establishing himself as an adult. More and more, through costume choices, dialog, and Tom Welling's presence and delivery, he has become Superman. All he needs are the suit and the power of flight, which the series will end with. He's really come into his own with the character. It's been a wonderfully slow and logical progression that simply can't be accomplished in any other media like it can in long-run serial television. There isn't a cheesy "moment" or "event" when he decides to become Superman. It's been built up with great skill and purpose from Season One through everything that has happened to him. His relationships, his decisions, and his mistakes have shaped him to be the hero we're expecting. I applaud the show.

    These accolades come from watching Clark in the beginning of “Prey.” He's listening to the police scanner and responding to calls. We get an amazing downward aerial shot of the streets of Metropolis as his red and blue streak travels about the city. We're treated to a couple of Richard-Donner-Superman "first night" moments, when Clark is rescuing people not because they're tied to this episode's plot line, but because he's a hero and they need rescuing. I was giddy. Without fanfare or advertising, Smallville has introduced Superman in a very real way.

    Chloe and Clark's relationship continues to sparkle. Allison Mack is a treasure, and I frankly can't wait to see where her career goes once she's free of the show. She brings so much depth and subtlety to her scenes that she often covers the writers' butts. She can make the cheesiest moments feel genuine.

    My favorite dialog was between Clark and John Jones regarding keeping his identity secret. I'm very curious to see how the writers are going to handle the transition from anonymous hero to globally-known Superman without anyone realizing that it's Clark, especially now that he's established in Metropolis and *gasp!* without his glasses.

    Of course, we all just sort of accept it in every other incarnation, so in a way we can't apply logic only to Smallville. Still, I have a feeling that they have something clever and deeply character-based up their sleeves, or at least some kind of gimmick we weren't expecting.



    Other shows have come and gone, some with better writing or more relevance, but you've hung in there, Smallville. Here's hoping you end with dignity. My dream is this season ending the series, with the final shot being Clark opening his shirt to reveal the S for the first time, and maybe him taking off. Okay, maybe even Tom Welling's turn to fly above the planet and smile at the camera. *happy sigh*

    Meanwhile, thank you for the memories.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 11:14:05 PM CST

    shermdawg re: Supernatural

    by necgray

    They have to have "dude" conversations. It's their characters. I agree that they've had a few too many "just for laughs" episodes, but I'd rather they do too many of those as opposed to too many season-mythology eps or too many "serious" eps. Interesting issue considering the X-Files connections that the show has. Some X-Files fans wanted nothing but the alien mythology story. Others preferred non-mythology one-shots. Also interesting considering the Angel connections. The bulk of this season's lighter-hearted episodes seem to have been influenced by producer Ben Edlund, known for producing Angel and creating The Tick.

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  • Nov 20, 2008 11:47:31 PM CST

    Bag on Smallville all you like...

    by nasty in the pasty

    ...but it's displaying more of a second creative wind in its EIGHTH season than Heroes has managed less than halfway through its third. Seriously, the show has been damn good this year. I thought the loss of Rosenbaum's Lex and Glover's Lionel would cripple the show, but it's been displaying more forward momentum towards Clark's destiny in these past two months than the last two seasons combined. The testy Clark/Lois attraction has been handled nicely, although the reappearance of Lana will no doubt toss some cold water on that (gotta admit, though..Kreuk with that short, shaggy hairdo was pretty smokin'). I've never read about Doomsday in the comics, but his brief appearance here was pretty well-handled by TV-budget standards, and Sam Witwer's performance all season long has been outstanding. Honestly, there are a lot worse shows to be bitching about. Smallville still delivers the goods.

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  • Nov 21, 2008 12:21:46 AM CST

    necgray

    by shermdawg

    I usually prefer the comedic standalone eps, but with what they set up with the season opener, the overabundance of those episodes, as well as how their handling the characters has really killed any sense of urgency. The writing just isn't up to par with season three.

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  • Nov 21, 2008 12:39:23 AM CST

    my idea for doomsday..

    by soup74

    this is for the comic nerds...so doomsday adapts and evolves to any threat at incredible speeds. thats his basic power ... he evolves. So make a superman story when there is a big complicated murder mystery.. and then reveal the mastermind behind to be doomsday.. he evolved past basic strength, and in a few short years evolved to also superior intelligence. he would better superman in every way. (it would be fun to figure out where to go from there. i have a few ideas.)

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  • Nov 21, 2008 1:13:21 AM CST

    Smallville did the impossible

    by phool2056

    They actually made Doomsday interesting. Seriously, Smallville is a show I watch religiously, hating myself all the way through until the action climax where some kind of cool Superman or Green Arrow thing happens and I forgive the usually bad acting and teeniness and just smile. But Sam Witwer is a great actor, and they took Doomsday and gave him an interesting backstory that actually made him more thematically significant than just a big thing that likes to hurt things.

    All of Superman's enemies are in some way his opposite, right? At least the big ones, Lex Luthor, Bizarro, Brainiac. So Witwer Doomsday is the same deal, again in a new way. He was orphaned on earth, raised as a human, etcetera, trying to be a decent guy, except that his destiny is to tear shit up instead of saving everybody. In fact, I wish he'd been along the whole time, and we'd been like, how does this guy fit into the Superman story(like I still ask with Chloe), and then after eight seasons somebody flips the switch. Yeah, that would have been way cooler, if in fact impossible to pull off on a TV series that might be cancelled at any minute, but anyway now I'm just blabbering.

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  • Nov 21, 2008 2:24:16 AM CST

    And now that Smallville finally..

    by monkeymanreturns

    ..gets the praise its due...

    TV execs will probably cancel it mid season - the bastards that they are!

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  • Nov 21, 2008 3:27:15 AM CST

    The Kryptonite was really unneccessary

    by david cloverfield

    Clark should've been simply KO'd from a doompunch. That would've made Doomsday look badass on his own.

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  • Nov 21, 2008 4:44:22 AM CST

    First character they nearly got perfect after 7 seasons

    by monkey_king

    of this ULTIMATE universe style dogshit.

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  • Nov 21, 2008 6:48:34 AM CST

    IndyAbbey Jones

    by indiabbey jones

    You stole my screen-name you dick!

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  • Nov 21, 2008 6:53:32 AM CST

    Lana is a vampire again!

    by tinspider

    she completely sucked the life of every scene she was in.

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  • Nov 21, 2008 8:49:32 AM CST

    Shermdawg, that wasn't Steel, that was the Persuader

    by spyguy

    A Legion bad guy that belongs to a group called the Fatal Five. Although I was hoping the Time Trapper would appear, I was actually expecting somebody like Nemesis Kid.

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  • Nov 21, 2008 9:05:18 AM CST

    Flame away...

    by philvis

    Last night's episode was one of the best in 8 seasons. The chemistry between Clark and Lois was spot on. At this point, I'd rather see a Smallville movie than another possibly bad Superman movie. It's just a shame it took this long to really get that honest chemistry between characters on the show. I definitely think the Lois and Clark angle will make this year's and possibly the last season be one of the best.

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  • Nov 21, 2008 9:19:30 AM CST

    I still say they'll go for one more season.

    by shermdawg

    They gotta have something to pair up with Supernatural's final year. And Michael McKean hasn't returned yet. How can we finish the show without him returning as Perry White?

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  • Nov 21, 2008 9:25:55 AM CST

    First time I thought Lois looked better than Lana

    by _maltheus_

    WTF was up with that goofy hairstyle? It's the type of style that can only be appreciated in Hollywood, I guess, just like Scientology. I never cared much for Lana's character, but I at least found her hot. Not so much in last night's ep, while at the same time Lois was looking better than ever (and I never use to be into her).
    I wasn't suppose to be watching this season, cause it sounded like it was gonna be the shittiest one yet, but I agree with others in that it has gotten better. I'm not sure I'm cool with Chloe going back to not knowing Clark's secret, unless they quickly reveal it again. That smile of hers was pretty cool at the end though.

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  • Nov 21, 2008 9:28:03 AM CST

    Sherm, why doesn't he fly?

    by _maltheus_

    Was there a legal reason for them not letting him fly yet? Or even a decent story reason (considering he was floating out of bed in S1 and could fly when evil).

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  • Nov 21, 2008 10:48:45 AM CST

    Smallville Junkie....

    by lostbat

    Never missed an episode..This last season is great...Kudos to the new Show runners. Ratings are improving. So.....I suspect another season. CW canceled the Graysons. So why change a winning team: Supernatural/Smallville!!

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  • Nov 21, 2008 11:24:43 AM CST

    Cloverfield 2 The attack in the barn

    by kingoflight

    I watch smallville i've watched it from the start and tonights was proper shit. This season so far has been bollocks 10 episodes later and lana pops up who really does fuck all for the story other than delay lois and clarke having some sexy time.

    Then you got the 10 episodes of wheres lex ? oh there he is watching TV, LAME. Wasted 10 episodes of the season on nothing. The joke of the season is that in under an episode he rebuilds and the gets his FOS infested with brainiac black mold of doom.

    I'll still watch it but its just a fucking mess. Just got to add the costume for doomsday was pants too hence why they had to shoot it in almost pitch black.

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  • Nov 21, 2008 11:29:31 AM CST

    "...wheres lex ? oh there he is watching TV,..."

    by big jim

    Funniest thing I've read all day!

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  • Nov 21, 2008 11:36:04 AM CST

    necgray- no you add to the writting staff

    by j2talk

    talented writers could deliver more scripts or longer ones-why not take the scripts and break the shows down into 2parts? Ever been in script meeting and heard- we love it, but its a bit long, tighten it up...End result of longer seasons? Better character development, better audience retention

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  • Nov 21, 2008 1:01:00 PM CST

    That was fucking gay

    by brody77

    Seriously, what the hell?
    Did they watch Cloverfield & go "aaaahhhh"?
    Shite.
    I was totally disappointed after the "hype" saying it'd be a great cliffhanger.
    By the way CK, she's in the fortress & Brainiac has fully taken control now.

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  • Nov 21, 2008 2:00:33 PM CST

    Smallville is kicking ass right now...

    by ashylarry81

    I am honestly enjoying Smallville more this year than I did last season, which was mediocre at best, with the exception of Lex killing Lionel in "Descent", which ruled. I am looking forward to the rest if the season, with the Legion showing up and the Persuader. This season has been a Superman fanboy's dream!

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  • Nov 21, 2008 5:49:01 PM CST

    _Maltheus_

    by shermdawg

    He's reportedly supposed to fly this season.

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  • Nov 21, 2008 5:51:08 PM CST

    AshyLarry81

    by shermdawg

    Lex killing Lionel in "Descent" didn't rule. Killing off the show's best character, and the series strongest actor, didn't rule. What did rule however, was Lex's confrontation with Clark later on in that same episode.

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  • Nov 21, 2008 7:10:59 PM CST

    j2talk re: "talented writers" and "tighten up"

    by necgray

    First of all, just because you're talented doesn't mean you're a f'n workhorse. Second, if you add to the staff you risk creating an even greater disparity between the tones of individual episodes. Third, when showrunners tell you to "tighten up" the script, it's generally because you're going on too long, not because you're running out of time to tell your story. "Tighten it up" is not code for "make it shorter", it means TIGHTEN IT UP. Longer seasons = burned out writers, burned out viewers, inconsistent season arcs... You have this bizarre and frankly wrong from everything I've experienced notion that given more time, a writer will develop a character more and the audience will be more devoted. Well, given more time more EVENTS will happen to him/her, but events happening does not = character development. And again I'll point to Lost Season 4 and Mad Men for your retention point. Fans of both shows are DROOLING for the next season. Ask any Lost fan if there are filler episodes and they'll give you a resounding, "Yes!". But that's EVERY show. Every hourlong drama that's ever been on the air with a season episode count of 20+ has had filler. Imagine the filler if you had the numbers you're talking...

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  • Nov 21, 2008 9:18:05 PM CST

    In the real world...

    by darth kosher

    No health insurance company would cover ANYONE from Smallville. They spend more time in the hospital than I do on the crapper. And I crap a lot!

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  • Nov 22, 2008 12:15:23 AM CST

    The new show runners

    by veritasses

    have done a pretty decent job transitioning from the utter mess left over by the previous show runners. They've fixed a lot of the structural problems with the series and moved the character and overall story arcs in the right direction. There are still some issues with dialog, sub plots etc and they still has a lot to prove and it falls far short of being a great show, but it's actually become something I think I'll watch weekly. At least for now.

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  • Nov 22, 2008 9:20:24 AM CST

    necgray- your making excuses

    by j2talk

    ok, so maybe 52 week season is over kill I'll give you that...but 36? NO, in general we get 23 eps a season, with hiatus for sports, special events, repeats over holiday weeks they stretch the TV season from out for 8 months- oct-may that's roughly 36 weeks..now going into a season a well staffed writers team COULD produce 36 well wriiten scripts for neary ANY show without too much trouble or given the dynamic of current programing they could certainly flesh out a number of scripts into longer episodes-not ever crime should needs to be wrapped up in an hour....some programming- effects heavy shows and comedies might have a more difficult time....thought, in the end i think a longer season- certainly one with out interruption, would make for more for a more loyal audience....

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  • Nov 22, 2008 9:31:21 AM CST

    necgray-filler

    by j2talk

    come on your argument is filler shows? generally they are the result of 1 budget issues- producers wanting a show that will be cheap to film, 2 time constraint- writers needing to come up with an episode quickly 3 actor availability-needing to work around somebodies shooting schedule...again better planing and the foreknowledge that they need to deliver x number of episodes-hell drop the episode # and call it hours, that alone would improve story telling- of the show each year...hell the freedom of not being constrained to coming up with 22 shows that HAVE to be wrapped up in 30 or 60 minutes?

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  • Nov 22, 2008 3:55:17 PM CST

    Some Nits to Pick

    by sherman_lives

    ...I finally got around to watching this ep. First of all, where's Pete? Nobody even mentioned his absence... also, how about Chloe's dad, isn't he still alive and living in Smallville? What about the General? I would have loved to see Michael Ironside return as Lois' dad, to be there for his niece's big day. And finally, if all this damage went down at the Kent Farm, why weren't the casualties taken to the Smallville Medical Center instead of the much-farther-away Met. General? The answer to these questions and so many more: lazy writing. Though I am looking forward to the Legion episode in '09. Maybe Clark will ask them for a flight ring, to which they'll respond, "you don't need a ring to fly! You're Superman!" Ah, to dream...

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  • Nov 22, 2008 5:54:19 PM CST

    Shermdawg

    by ashylarry81

    While I agree that John Glover was the glue to that show for the longest time, he had to die to advance Lex's storyline. Without Lex killing his dad, his transition to utter badass villain wouldn't have rang as true, IMO. No doubt about the final moment @ Lionel's funeral. It really showed the first true Superman-Lex standoff on Smallville.

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  • Nov 22, 2008 7:28:32 PM CST

    How did this show get interesting...

    by eastcoastavenger

    Eight years and at long last Smallville is building real momentum towards Clark becoming Superman. It's finally turning into a show my wife and I are really excited about tuning in each to see how something new will unfold. The sucky thing is that just as soon as he does become Superman, BANG! Show's over. Thanks for watching kids...

    I am enjoying seeing this incarnation of the D.C. universe unfold this year. Granted, in years past I was usually left feeling under whelmed. Anyone remember what the show did to Mxyzptlk. But this season has been quite different and I am enjoying it. So my hat’s off to the new producers and the writing team I guess. Hopefully a solid spin-off is in the works. “Justice League” would be cool. Just saying.

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  • Nov 22, 2008 8:32:02 PM CST

    Glowing Eyes?

    by xoanontorn

    I just caught this ep on Space up here in Canada..was it more or did Doomsday's eyes NOT glow red, like in that clip above? Maybe it was just me...who knows..

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  • Nov 23, 2008 12:30:17 AM CST

    j2talk, I have to ask: have you ever written?

    by necgray

    Again, giving a story more time doesn't make it better, it just makes it longer. Again, you're going to get more disparity between individual episodes. You don't get a more devoted audience by giving them more to watch. Are you completely ignoring what I said about Lost and Mad Men? How about the Sopranos, which had on average 13 episodes per season? Or Deadwood? And would you say those fans weren't devoted? And that point you make at the end of the filler response: well, then, I guess you're calling for the complete overhaul of how episodic TV runs, aren't you? That's how episodic TV operates. You have 30-60 minutes to tell a story, sometimes 120 if you write a two-parter. You have an average of 22 episodes to write. You know why that is? Because in the 50+ years that TV has been around, that's what WORKS. In fact, I would say that TV is going in the direction OPPOSITE to your proposal. It looks like the smart money is on SHORTER seasons. Is that because TV writers/showrunners are stupid? No, it's because they know that compacting the season makes the writing crisper and the fans hungrier for more.

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  • Nov 23, 2008 1:11:55 AM CST

    SMALLVILLE IS AWESOME! Tom WELLING IS SUPERMAN!

    by thajackal

    This show is great, an it's amazing how a tv s how can week in week out in every episode OWN a 300 million dollar budget movie!

    SINGER YOU SUCK! ROUTH YOU SUCK!

    WB Cast Welling, get him a good looking SUPERMAN SUIT, an get a movie made with this generations SUPERMAN!

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