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NARNIA Screenwriters Recruited For Joe Johnston's CAPTAIN AMERICA!

Beaks here...

I loved the choice of Joe Johnston as director for FIRST AVENGER: CAPTAIN AMERICA. I am... not enraged by the hire of Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely as the screenwriters for Cappy's first big screen adventure. As you've hopefully gleaned from the headline, Markus and McFeely are probably best known for their serviceable work on Disney's two NARNIA films (THE LION, THE WITCH AND THE WARDROBE and PRINCE CASPIAN). They also wrote the mostly serviceable THE LIFE AND DEATH OF PETER SELLERS and the exceedingly serviceable hitman yarn, YOU KILL ME (starring Ben Kingsley and directed by John Dahl). So all signs point to something extraordinary. Click here to read the rest of The Hollywood Reporter's story. FYI, the release date for FIRST AVENGER: CAPTAIN AMERICA is still May 6, 2011.

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  • Nov. 18, 2008, 8:20 p.m. CST

    I think Brukbaker should have a shot

    by blindambition238

    With Millar making a quick pass over to "Hollywood" it up.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Cant wait for these moviessss

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    hurry!

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 8:23 p.m. CST

    So who will play Cap?

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    Hurry up!

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Great News...

    by grandadmiralsnackbar

    It looks like the correct path is being taken in what could be a great film. Although, let's hope all stages of execution are as good as the hiring process.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Well, apparently Tatum Channing is really up for it!

    by blindambition238

    According to joblo.com. Yay! :D

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 8:25 p.m. CST

    i suppose

    by pcassou

    That they are doing a better job than that crappy 80's movies

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Hated Narnia, loved Sellers...

    by Paul T. Ryan

    Guess it all depends on the source material then.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Sounds Good

    by california_mtz

    Marvel hasn't gone wrong yet in either Iron Man or The Incredible Hulk. Both are great movies. Keep it up Marvel!

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    This movie sucked

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Hated it

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Did they finally debunk that Will Smith rumour?

    by ShogunMaster

    Cus if he is Cap, then I've already saved myself some money in 2011.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Liked the Peter Sellers film but:

    by picardsucks

    How bout Tom Clancy or someone like that??

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Casting will make or break this movie

    by Continentalop

    While not to say that the director or screenplay will have no bearing on this film, I don’t think they are nearly as important as whom they cast as Steve Rodgers for determining if this film will be successful. A number of names have been mentioned on earlier forums, and to be honest I don’t find any very encouraging. Captain America is the ultimate human being, and his physique and physical appearance is more important than any other super-hero: Superman and Batman have the builds of great athletes, not the build of the greatest athlete; Spider-Man, while athletic looking, can still pass off as a normal geek; Iron Man wears an armor suit; and the Hulk and the Thing’s appearance can be attained by CG and/or heavy make-up. I have yet to hear a realistic option for finding or making an actor look like the peak of human conditioning. <p> Plus, like Superman, Captain America is the epitome of morality and “goodness” amongst heroes, whose idealism is an inspiration to those around him. Captain America also neither naïve nor stupid, nor indecisive. Good luck finding all of these traits of these traits, plus the physical appearance, in one actor.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Steve ROGERS, not RODGERS

    by Continentalop

    Sorry about the typo.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Beaks, how the fuck does serviceable become

    by FookU

    something extraordinary? Both of the Narnia flicks were boring as hell. My 9 year old couldn't even sit through the 2nd one. I'm not saying that they can't write a good script but predicting something extraordinary from middling writers and a middling director seems a bit optimistic.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 8:43 p.m. CST

    At least it's better than who is writing the next X-MEN movie...

    by JimCurry

    Josh Schwartz bitches! That's right, Z-Men is gettin' GOSSIP GIRL'd.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 8:44 p.m. CST

    FookU..

    by Negator76

    ... That was the point. Beaks was making a funny. Somebody needs to recalibrate your irony detector, ol' buddy.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Eh the X-Men movies are dead to me already

    by blindambition238

    ... unless the next movie begins with Scott waking up and saying, "well that was a stupid dream, off to find the dead wife" followed by a reasonably epic Phoenix storyline. <p> Schwartz would make a good New X-Men writer though...

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 8:49 p.m. CST

    good news

    by Silverglade

    I wish them luck. I want Cap America to kick ass. Just like we expect. A period piece with him ending frozen in ice... to later be awoken for the Avengers flick. Marvel seems to have a clear vision on all of these moving parts.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Very cool, very cool news.

    by JERRY HORROR

    Nice to see some good people on a promising film.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:03 p.m. CST

    May... 2011??

    by Odkin

    Not 2010? Either way, I bet they push this close to a July 4 release date.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:06 p.m. CST

    So we got two brits writing a movie about Cap

    by terry1978

    So long as they don't go the Miles Millar route, we'll see.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Glad it's not Zak Penn

    by WaitingforAvengers

    I'd like some fresh blood on the marvel movies...hoping they had a good pitch.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:10 p.m. CST

    I mostly agree with Continentalop

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    Casting the lead is the real key to success here. Everyone else involved so far is at least professional enough to adapt to the material if they're passionate about it. Let's hope they find the right man for the job.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:10 p.m. CST

    CHANGE THE TITLE!

    by jim

    It's clunky and lame. How can Cap be "The First Avenger" if, after being unfrozen, he joins The Avengers? Was he part of The Avengers before the team existed?

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    just watched October Sky on TV the other night

    by BadMrWonka

    Joe Johnston can do a good job. I don't care much one way or another about Captain America, but this might be fun.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Y'know, "great writing" isn't what anybody thinks about Narnia

    by TallBoy66

    In fact, I'd say the dialouge was one of the biggest detriments to those films (also aside from being dry as dirt and about as engaging). But I did enjoy "You Kill Me" alot so maybe they can turn a phrase or two, that flick was pretty witty.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST

    No Jim Curry

    by StuckinthePresentPaused

    xmen is getting Chuck'd which is a show that should be getting attention on this site. Show about 20something yr old that works at Buy More who is a geek into star wars, tron, dune, etc and is an internet geek. References to comic, movies and a really hot blonde still don't understand why Chuck doesnt get love here

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Reepicheep could plant a rapier in Captain America's ass...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...any day of the week and twice on Sunday mornings...

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:19 p.m. CST

    BETTER HAVE LOTS OF NAZIS AND THE RED SKULL.

    by alice 13

    and beers. :]

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    I call bullshit on that 'exceedingly serviceable' remark.

    by Darkman

    YOU KILL ME was a joy; very well-done. <br><br> Never seen the NARNIA films, but on the strength of YOU KILL ME, this sounds intriguing.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    You Kill me is not serviceable. its very good

    by Lovecraftfan

    Yet another underrated film by the great john Dahl.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Don't forget...

    by lead_sharp

    Disney sucked all the life out of the Narnia series making it kiddy friendly and they had to stick fairly rigidly to a well known and rigid source material. The freedom they have on Cap A may help them a lot.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Vincent Gallo

    by Sgt.Steiner

    Anyone know where to find his treatment?

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Casting will be a bitch

    by Adelai Niska

    I can't think of any big strapping blonde guys who are old enough to be a leader/vet and young enough to be a WWII recruit. Aaron Eckhart? Maybe? Between Cap and Thor, Marvel's got some really awkwardly-sized shoes to fill.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Peter Seller's script worked.

    by hallmitchell

    Tough write up, Tough subject. I haven't had my head blown off. Which I wanted. Yet cautiously optimistic.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    John Cena is Captain America!

    by Ricky Retardo

    Just kidding.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Time period

    by enderandrew

    The problem is they want to do a modern Avengers movie set in this decade, so the timeline for Cap's story is all wrong. How do they handle it? Frankly I'd prefer they tell a proper Cap story, and then feature a descendant/next-gen Cap in the Avengers movie.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Re: Don't Forget

    by Barko

    lead-sharp said: "Disney sucked all the life out of the Narnia series making it kiddy friendly and they had to stick fairly rigidly to a well known and rigid source material." That sure sounds an awful lot like the constraints on this project, too. I'm hopeful the creativity can get around them, like Favreau did on Iron Man.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Guess I'm in the minority again

    by chewyou812

    Hate the pick of Johnston to direct, and while I dug the Life and Death of Peter Sellers, I hate the Narnia flicks. Oh god, please let the casting be good.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Why Cap moving so fast and Thor so slow??????????????????////

    by crackerfarmboy

    Thor comes out a full year before Captain America and they seem to be moving ahead with that project a significantly swifter pace. Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, and Captain America: The Avengers. Coming soon.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Narnia is Garbage -- Cap is Screwed

    by Flaggg

    Narnia was mediocre at best. It was the writing and the pacing and the dialogue. All of it. End of story. Cap is gonna need some REAL SUPER SERUM if he is going to overcome those two twats.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Cap as the "First Avenger.."

    by Bootskin

    If they play up the fact that Steve Rogers was one of the DROVES of young men that signed up after the attack on Pearl Harbor, they can use the "First Avenger" angle rather well.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Yes, more Thor news please!

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    What's the hold-up? AICN get on it!

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    enderandrew

    by WaitingforAvengers

    In terms of the time period stuff- Captain America is frozen in ice at the end of World War 2 (accidently) and awakens in the modern age.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Is this a good thing?

    by brandon11

    i didnt see those movies...

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Too bad we'll never see this...

    by Sick Fixx

    America will be a police state by 2011. Most of us who go against our fascist keepers will likely be dead, quelled in the resistance. The Freemasons' decades, perhaps even centuries of planning will finally come to fruition. There will be no room for joy in the penultimate year of our collective consciousness.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 10:42 p.m. CST

    This is what happens when you have an agent....

    by NivekJ

    ...and knowing is half the battle. Why do pieces of crap make 500 mil worldwide, so said purveyors of crap can continue to make crap? Motherfuckin' why?

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Jon Hamm as Capatain America!

    by Francis Begbie

    You all know I'm right.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 11:07 p.m. CST

    THOR NEWS

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    What Thor news do you guys want? Thor already has a director and screenwriter, which is the news we have recently gotten out of Cap. I can't see the logic behind saying Thor is moving slower than Cap, since Cap is in the very, very early stages whereas Thor being cast is likely the next piece of news we will be getting from Marvel.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 11:08 p.m. CST

    In other words, this will be shit right?

    by JethroBodine

    You know it's right.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 11:19 p.m. CST

    No, John Hamm is Superman. Also, did they leave Narnia then?

    by Drath

    Would it kill those movie makers to give that franchise to Alfonso Cauron? He saved the Harry Potter movie franchise from mediocrity, and he could do great things for this series too. __________________________ This better have the Red Skull in it and be the ass-kicking thrill ride I THOUGHT the one made in 1990 was going to be but wasn't.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Wow, with Johnston at the helm and now NARNIA screenwriters...

    by FarSky

    ...it's almost like Marvel is actively striving to make the most mediocre movie they possibly can.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 11:25 p.m. CST

    FarSky, Let's be Honest Here

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    No matter who wrote the Narnia films they were going to be incredibly mediocre. The material doesn't really allow for anything better. And since these guys have written almost nothing else at all, this is kind of going to be their "make or break" film.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely ...

    by TheKappa

    Check out Paul Jenkins' "Marvel Mythos: Captain America" for the best telling of Captain America's origin. A 22 page comic that pretty much covers every major story beat that you need to hit.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    ok, sorry...

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Thomas Jane as Cap

    by Horace Cox

    Make it so.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 11:48 p.m. CST

    lead_sharp - "kiddy friendly" and on Brubaker

    by oisin5199

    um, dude, have you read the Narnia books? They are the definition of kiddy friendly. If anything, the movies made the stories darker than the books, especially Caspian. I'm hoping these guys are hired because they made a good pitch, so I'll wait and see. However, I wanted to echo the earlier comment that Brubaker should pen a Captain America script. However, if Brubaker writes it, it needs to be a post-Avengers sequel. His rendering of a contemporary Cap scenario (especially after his death) is nothing short of brilliant. If Brubaker writes a contemporary Capt. America flick, it could be easily be Marvel's Dark Knight - an adult, dark, intelligent espionage and superhero film.

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Cap should be 30 tops

    by blindambition238

    This is the one role where a young dude would be appropriate. Unfortunately most of the under 31 and under set who can look like mr all american and truely act are stuck in tv and supporting role limbo. <p> I still would pick bsg's jamie bamber as my 1st pick, but after watching a sons of anarchy I think whomever nominated charlie hunman before deserves some props; I didn't recognize him at all in the role. Like heath ledger he's a young face who is happy to play against type and actually act. <P> Any other dark horses for the role?

  • Nov. 18, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    As long as we're talking comic book icons

    by Snookeroo

    Anyone have any info about DC dropping Superman out of the Action title?

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Also didn't harry ready read the thor script?

    by blindambition238

    Or maybe it was mori? But one of them mentioned having read a Thor script by Mark Proviticshitidontknowhowtospellit and gushed about it being truly awesome (probably Harry then)... <p> I don't know if that's still the script slated to be used but either way I think bean must be spilled since it'll probably be used in one form or another!

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Sick Fixx...

    by thecomedian

    Oh I'm sure they'll keep the great distraction/brain mushing machine know as Hollywood going well into The New World Order.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Cap casting

    by My friends call me Killjoy

    You can bet that the casting will not be what fans expect. Look at Downey as Iron Man and Norton as Hulk...those are two great casting choices that no one would have seen coming without a f*cking crystal ball.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 12:12 a.m. CST

    blindambition238

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    What kind of beans? I've read that script - it's been leaked onto the internet for a couple of months now.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Really?

    by blindambition238

    Is it any good then?

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 12:20 a.m. CST

    It's good.

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    It's flawed and needs some rewrites to straighten some things out, but for the most part it's really, really good. I was pleasantly surprised. If you want specifics, (ie possible SPOILERS depending on rewrites) I can give them.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Something extraordinary?

    by V'Shael

    You say they two mediocre work, and then say they'll deliver something extraordinary? <p> Did you miss a whitespace in there? <p> "So all signs point to something extra ordinary."

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 12:30 a.m. CST

    4 questions shia

    by blindambition238

    1. Does it mainly take place in Asgard, Earth, or split between both? <p> 2. What's the general premise? <p> 3. Are there any references to the greater marvel universe <p> 4. Where can I find it?

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 12:30 a.m. CST

    I certainly hope they are looking at the Brubaker/Epting

    by Dingbatty

    take on the character, or this will be smaltzy fluff. With a little Kirby, Simon, and Steranko thrown in for good measure.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 12:43 a.m. CST

    blindambition238

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    1. About half on Earth, half on Asgard, with the Earth part taking place in Viking times. <br> 2. While on a quest of some sort to meet with the gnome king (I forget the specifics, I read it a few weeks ago) Thor helps defend the gnome king from a frost giant attack. As a reward, the gnome king promises to replace his old wooden hammer, which was destroyed during this tussle, with a new one (Mjolnir). During this attack, Loki, who went with Thor, learns of his heritage (his father's a frost giant). <br> Later, we discover that while Thor's a generally good guy, he's also kind of a douche what with how highly he thinks of himself and how he treats others. Odin, worried about this, is told a prophecy of some sort by the Norns in which one of his sons will betray him with a weapon forged by gnomes, and the other will save him. Loki overhears this prophecy, and with some good old fashioned trickery gets Thor banished from Asgard. Thor is forced to live on Earth and must find his way back to Asgard. <br> 3. No. <br> 4. I dunno, I got it on some forum months and months ago. I have it and could upload for you, but I would think that may be a bannable offense.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 12:44 a.m. CST

    rev. wright as captain america

    by crazybubba

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Travis Van Winkle & Megan Fox = Cap & WW

    by JDanielP

    Captain America and Wonder Woman were a... "couple" ...at the beginning of TRANSFORMERS, if you remember. :-)

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Thanks lebeoufs uncle

    by blindambition238

    That gives me a good enough idea for the film really. Don't sweat posting it, I should eventually be able to dig it up on the interwebs. <p> Though if all the earth stuff takes place during the viking age, and he gets sent there to live as a human, do we get a semi donald blake thing, or is it just thor banding around earth banding about sans lightning bolts

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 1:09 a.m. CST

    ON EARTH

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    It's Thor, but with a beard! And he doesn't have any of his fancy attire. The script is very explicit about that.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 1:22 a.m. CST

    That's sounds stupid...

    by thecomedian

    Having Odin send Thor to earth and having it be during viking times. What's the difference going to be between Earth and Asgard? To the casual viewer, none. Just a whole lot of boring "ye olden speak" while we wait for him to kick ass. L-A-M-E. And then when it's time for Avengers he's going to stick out in the Marvel Movie verse like a sore thumb.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 1:30 a.m. CST

    THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EARTH AND ASGARD

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    Is appearance? <p> I can ask a similarly stupid question: What's the difference between Vietnam and Canada? To the casual viewer, none.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 1:30 a.m. CST

    So marvel has given up already?

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    Jon Favreau and co delivered a good debut for them. Hulk and Louis gave them a bad to passable flick. This team is sure to give them bad to passable again. I know they are just starting up, but this is some budget crews. If DC can persuad warners to get someone of Nolans calibre for its Superman relaunch, Marvel are gonna be second ran bitches.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 1:34 a.m. CST

    NO

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    Hulk was passable to good, not bad to passable. And WB already tried that on Superman with a guy named Singer, and it didn't turn out too well.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 1:36 a.m. CST

    ALSO

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    TDK was good, but the fact that it is #4 on IMDB is laughable at best. Talk about overrated.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 1:43 a.m. CST

    "And he doesn't have any of his fancy attire"

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    Excellent! But how will he end up in modern times?

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Shia I know the difference between Asgard and Midgard...

    by thecomedian

    Basically they'll have Asgard be this idealized Viking Heaven with a Rainbow Bridge and spacious gorgeous landscapes and the earth will be the cold hard reality. That's fine but it's redundant compared to Odin punishing Thor by reincarnating him as a sickly medical student and trapping his true essence in a stick in a cave. The idea that what seems completely random for Donald Blake to find this stick in a cave is actually his manifest destiny and meant to happen all along is way more compelling then a half-assed retread of The 13 Warrior. They could just have Thor be a total douche to mortals of Midgard in the 1st act and establish the Vikings who worship the Asgardians but bring it into the modern age for the second half of the film. It's just better storytelling. And it saves us from having TWO fish out of water subplots to deal with when Avengers rolls around. Maybe they don't want the hassle of having to cast two different actors to play Blake and Thor. I say they could probably get the same guy. Viggo.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Skarsgard for Asgard

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    sorry, had to do it.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 2:07 a.m. CST

    So Cap is a Christian with Subliminal Messages

    by redfist

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 2:22 a.m. CST

    At least its not Kurtzman and Orci

    by kwisatzhaderach

    or the Terminator 3 guys.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 2:31 a.m. CST

    one more dumb off topic Thor thing...

    by thecomedian

    What would really be balls would be if they used Zeppelin's "Immigrant Song" in the trailers the same way Fav had the balls to use Sabbath's Iron Man in his. Imagine Thor flying around with Thunder and lightning fighting a giant Midgard Serpent with immigrant song blasting in the background.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 2:39 a.m. CST

    What you described Comedian...

    by blindambition238

    Would be the nost awesome thing ever! <p> Then the captain america trailer could be cut to American Badass by Kid Rock <p> And rob liefeld and michael bay would be oh so proud

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Now casting: the perfect human being

    by Continentalop

    I have read many of the casting suggestions listed above: Aaron Eckart, Jon Hamm, Thomas Jane, Travis Van Winkle, Will Smith, Alexander Skarsgard was mention in a earlier talkback. Without trying to sound to much like a know-it-all (aren’t we all here though) I will say “Your are all wrong.” According to the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe, Captain America is 6’2, 240lbs! And in one story they mentioned he was 2% body fat. Two percent! The best shape actor listed above is probably 6% body fat, at best, and probably 40-50lbs lighter than Cap’s listed weight. The one actor mentioned earlier who comes closest to resembling Captain America, at least physically, is John Cena, and he is can’t act to save his life, or any one else’s. <p> I hate to keep harping on the physicality, because there are obviously other traits to consider just as important, if not more so, when casting Captain America than his build; leadership, presence, patriotism, willpower, bravery, nobility, idealism, compassion, and honor all pop out as such things. However, if I cannot believe that whomever they cast is the epitome of human perfection, than I just won’t be able to believe that this is the “real” Captain America. Perhaps one of the reasons I am so obsessed with this is that I used to play college football (confession: I sucked) boxed (I really sucked), was in the army (fortunately way before the 9-11), and have been involved in martial arts and a fan of MMA for the last couple of years, while my older brother is an ex-fireman, ex-K-1 fighter and competes in Iron Man competitions. I have met some of the best MMA fighters in the world, and some of the best players in the NFL, So even though I never really was one, I know what a real, professional athlete looks like! And none of these actors you guys have mentioned so could ever pass for a pro-running back, line backer or UFC heavyweight. <p> Sorry to sound so condescending, but once again, the physical aspects of Captain America is very important to me. He was my favorite comic book character growing up, so I want them to do it right.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 3:38 a.m. CST

    ShogunMaster Because you don't like Smith or...

    by u.k. star

    ... because you think he should be white? Propaganda wise, which is essentially what Cap was, it makes sense that he would have been black, the antithesis of the Nazi Superman (hmm Jewish maybe) rather than an actual Aryan Superman. Think Jesse Owens at the Olympics, the Universe was laughing at Hitler then. However the segregation that was still pretty much rife in America and the military at the time does make it less likely that a black man could have been Cap. If you chose him now there's a much greater chance of Cap not being white.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 3:56 a.m. CST

    by u.k. star

    The guy has to be a good actor, preferably a very good / great actor and preferably tall. After that all that's needed is training, and a lot of gym track, martial arts time. Getting in super shape is the easiest part, learning to act worth a damn in few months is a lot harder. Eckhart would be good, I've already covered some Smith pros & cons. I'm still expecting Transformers guy, Josh Duhamel, to get the nod. Of course (I'm sure no one in the states will agree) but I figure die his hair blonde and good old Cpt. Jack, (Harkness not Sparrow) would be a good choice. That's John Barrowman.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 4:22 a.m. CST

    blindambition238

    by Midnightxpress

    Brubaker will be involved, in much the same way Ellis, Bendis and Millar were involved with the Iron Man movie.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 4:23 a.m. CST

    I like Johnston as director, but...

    by Droid

    not the choice of screenwriters. The first Narnia was ok, but the second was terrible! What about someone like James Vanderbilt or Andrew Kevin Walker? Maybe its just me but I always pictured a Cap flick as being just this side of gritty and dark. Not TDK dark, but somewhere in between TDK and Iron Man. And it definitely needs Red Skull in it. As for casting... No to Eckhart or Skarsgard (better for Thor). I maintain that they need to invent a time machine, go to 1983 and get Dennis Quaid. In reality, who the hell knows? It'll probably end up being someone like Paul Walker. Continentalop, love your passion for Cap(you always mega-post on Cap and WW tb's), but there are very very few people on this earth who fit the bill. Thats why he's Cap. I think the best we can hope for is to not be horrified by the casting decision.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 4:24 a.m. CST

    u.k. star

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    No, Barrowman wouldn't be a good choice. He can't emote anymore.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Nathan Fillian

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I have to go back to him for Cap. He's got the humour down, the 'aw, shucks' nature and the charisma to lead people into battle. Stick him in a gym for a few months, and he'll fit the bill perfectly.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Fillian

    by CaptainBass

    ....is not a bad idea! Also, having just seen Erin Brockovich for the first time the other night, Aaron Eckhart with a beard and a serious bit of bodybuilding could be a decent Thor...if he can pull off the Sveedish accent...

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Barrowman...

    by CaptainBass

    Don't mean to offend, or come across as a homophobe (because I'm not) but I don't think that too many folk would like to see the epitomy of the 'American hero' portrayed by someone who takes it up the shitter...plus, he can't act worth a toss!

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 5:25 a.m. CST

    Fillion & stuff

    by u.k. star

    He looks a little old to me. Barrowman is a better actor than many think, an old fashiooned stage actor guy. As for him being gay. I trust that you are not a homophobe mate, but I think it affects less people than you think, I'm inclined not to give a toss about those it does affect, (I know it's a business) and that's a good reason to do it, get these dinosaurs to realise their time is over. Also if it's just about pleasing people, then just cast Will Smith. It's made $500m before a shot has even been filmed. (o.k maybe only $350m but probably $500m+ straight away) For the record my feeling for or against Smith as Cap are based purely on the practicality of a WWII Cap being black. I think there are genuine arguments for and against it, but given how America was back then with black people, in the military or otherwise it is perhaps too implausable, however much of a propaganda statement it may have made against the Nazis. Make a great Wht If though. Have done that as a what if?

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 5:51 a.m. CST

    u.k star

    by CaptainBass

    No I'm definitely not a homophobe, (whatever people want to do to each other in private is totally cool by me) but I know there's a lot of redneck hicks and what with studios being shallow money-grabbers they might not want to risk losing revenue unnecessarily. I've always thought Barrowman was a bit of a plank as a TV presenter, and I'm not keen on his acting at all but that might just be influenced by the fact I can't stand Doctor Who or Torchwood. That said, it hasn't made me think less of David Tennant, who is an excellent actor, even when playing a transvestite barman in Rab C. Nesbitt! Nathan Fillian may be a tad old, but I can't think of too many others who would be right for the part, especially not Paul 'Treestump' Walker! Maybe someone new will burst onto the scene by the time they cast it. As for 'What if..?' I would love to see Marvel do some of these stories as short extras on their DVD/BluRay releases - introduced by Uatu, of course!

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 6:08 a.m. CST

    CaptainBass

    by u.k. star

    Now there's an idea. What if DVD extras. That'd be cool. As for Cpt Jack, he plays that character a certain way. He's a very over the top kinda guy, and he's pperfect for it. Of course that means you either love him or hate him, and (whilst you are by no means alone in hating new dr. who) you'll agree that he is wildy popular in that role. One of the biggest complaints usuually neing that he doesn't get enough to do when he cameos on Dr. Who these days. Still loving the What If dvd extra thing. Oh and Cap is the "1st hero" he was a hero in WWII, being both born, and a hero BEFORE the other Avenhers makes him "the 1st Avenger" going deeper than that, he's the best of them, despite often being the weakest, or not technically the leader, he's the best of them the ,wait for it, "1st Avenger". It aint that hard really, and if an unweidly title helps them to "sell" the Avengers then go for it. Especially as most movie people will be thinking of a crap movie with Sean #Connery based on some old british tv show their grandad used to watch.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Casting Cap

    by YeahSureWhatever

    The guy that was on "Keen Eddie" on Fox years back, looks EXACTLY like Steve Rogers in the comics.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 6:16 a.m. CST

    This one will bomb overseas

    by Prometeo

    As a citizen of the world, I think I speak for most non-us people. There's no way people outside the US will care for such a US superhero... and don't get me started on the whole 'America is not a country, it's a continent' issue. Unless they cast Obama on the role, count half the world out ;)

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Prometeo

    by CaptainBass

    Also as a citizen of the world, I think you underestimate the popularity of the character. As long as they keep the jingoistic bullshit to a bare minimum, then it will sell well enough. As they're setting it in WWII (rightly so) it can be disassociated from current world opinion of the U.S as everyone loved them when they entered the war (except for the Axis powers, naturally).

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Actually, maybe they'll need 2 actors...

    by CaptainBass

    ...one to play gimpy, pre-serum Steve Rogers and another to be Cap...?

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Hard sell

    by u.k. star

    American superheroes don't tend to do as well overseas as in America anyway. Cap IS a hard sell, but not an impossible. He does however have one of the worst costumes to translate o live action imaginable! There is the oppourtunity to hammer home the propaganda side of cap for the WWII set movie, and give him a "better" (screen wise) costume in The Avengers. It's just another of the things that will make it a hard film to make and sell. But perhaps having non US writers will help. It's easy to get that Cap is about the American ideal / dream rather than the American reality on the comic book page, it's trickier in the movies. A simple visual aid for this ( I can feel the scorn already) is to have the stereotypical Token"...." whatever as bucky (the only reason in fact to bother with a bucky character at all). A black guy or a Japenese guy. All of that isn't important. Make a good film 1st, worry about getting people to go and see it is a good film 2nd. But it does have the potential to be one of those insulting films where veery single person on screen is white, oh and American (not including the Nazis of course) as it wasn't WWII it was America vs the Nazis and Japenese whillst everyone else sat around drinking tea and playing football er. soccer.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Nathan Fillian!!!!!

    by redfist

    FUCKING BRILLIANT!!!!!!! MAKE IT SO!!!!!!!!!

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 7:38 a.m. CST

    So it'll be "Captain Christian America" then?

    by Kid Z

    ... these red state thumpers never give up, do they?

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Eff Cap...

    by Kid Z

    ... the stacked redhead t-shirt ad chick is back!

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 8 a.m. CST

    I'm not excited either

    by kafka07

    The director, I like. But now the screenwriters just made me indifferent. Hopefully something will develop to make care again.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Channing Tatum or Chris Pine, please

    by Darth Busey

    Tom Jane would've been great 8 or 9 years ago, he's a bit too old now. Captain America should be in his early/mid 20's for his origin film, and it MUST be done WWII-Saving Private Ryan style. This is non-negotiable.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Travis Van Winkle could save 'em a few bucks.

    by JDanielP

    I wouldn't be surprised if they go with an unknown or someone with lessor experience, like Travis Van Winkle. If they can't get a big name star like Brad Pitt, they may as well save themselves some money with the overseas crowd. No matter how you spin it, Captain America may be a tough sell anywhere else BUT the U.S.A. -The best they could do is either include the remaining Avengers in the last act...or include Captain America's origin in the AVENGERS movie.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Nathan Fillion would be perfect

    by crazybubba

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Nathan Fillion would be totally wrong for Cap, I feel.

    by JDanielP

    I enjoyed his work in Firefly, etc.....but he is soo00OO wrong for Captain America.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    This is NOT Coming Together Very Well

    by cowboyone

    Who at Marvel is minding the farm on this one? WTF?! I love the period piece WW2 setting, but I'm def not sold on Johnston until I see The Wolfman footage. (He's an FX guy, NOT a storyteller) And the Narnia writers (?!) sure they had some scale and scope, but they were totally lifeless. If MARVEL was smart they'd show some love to the Iron Man guys (those dudes've been kicked off 2 flicks already!? And I.M. was more fun than D.K.!) Cap is one of the BEST Marvel stories so they really have to nail the origins film. And if one more "fan" mentions Thomas Jane or Nathan Fillion for Cap, I'm gonna have to start busting heads. Casting will be critical.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Enlightened "citizens of the world"

    by DoctorWho?

    It's Fucking Captain America boneheads!<p> America first and foremost is an IDEA that every human being can relate to. It doesn't matter where you are from. Black soldiers DID fight valiantly in WWII. And if you can't stand the sight of anything less than a politically correct Cap spouting your 2008 partisan politics then I feel bad for you. Lighten' up. <p> To dilute the original characters essence TOO much would be wrong. It is what it is.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Are these guys English?

    by rev_skarekroe

    Perhaps an American should write Captain America.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST

    If you guys don't like 'em...

    by Johnno

    I'll trade with you for the guys currently attached to Robotech...

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Narnia

    by u.k. star

    I think the writers are taking a l;ittle too much flak for the narnia movies. theyy were very blah films because thse director had no real vision. they were just averagely directed. simple choices like using husky type wolves as opossed to giant, black storybook Wolves, the size of Wolfhounds would have made a big visual difference. The writers can only do so much.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    As a "citizen of the world",

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    whatever that really is, non-american in this case I guess, I think there's no reason this wouldn't work outside US. If it's good, that is. A good movie is a good movie.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST

    War can age a man..

    by freerangecelt

    Thunderbolt Ross said as much in the Hulk movie earlier this year, so perhaps we could see the young Steve Rogers at the beginning of the flick, and then flash forward to the last year of the war, and there is Cap, older, war-torn and wearied. Yes, the Super Soldier Serum made him the ultimate human being, but perhaps the toil of 4 years of war and the loss of his youthful idealism would make him appear older....or maybe the Serum would be engineered to make him appear older so that men his physical age would follow him willingly. Any vets out there ever have a butterbar half your age barking out orders to you? Know how that feels? There ya go...

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    I really hate that title

    by Moboada

    Why can't it just be CAPTAIN AMERICA, why does it have to be THE FIRST AVENGER: CAPTAIN AMERICA...stupid

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST

    MEMO: to all foreign Pole-Smoking Ass Nuggets

    by Bill Brasky

    We don't need your fucking sales for an American motion picture to succeed. Even with this shit economy, this is still THE economy. Take that in your politically correct Hookah pipe and smoke it, you Euro-trash fucks. Fuck the costume, fuck the Flag; you can't stand the thought of an American hero on your fucking screens? Don't go to see it. It will still succeed. It will still make over $300 million, and it will still own the box office for over a month. And this anti-Jingoistic bullshit? Fuck you! You wanna go back in time and convince us to let you rot in some Nazi dominated Europe? Fine, let’s try it. But until then, the facts remain. We saved your asses in two World Wars. Deal with it. You fucking fucks. Oh yeah, and Aaron Eckhart must be Steve Rogers. But I'm sure that you fucking geeks want a Brit...maybe Johnny Lee Miller, so the rest of the world will love us for it? Right?

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST

    The Vincent Gallo script

    by ArcadianDS

    was titled Red White And Blue Bunny. Google it.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    thunderstruck by ac/dc

    by brandon11

    for the trailer song haha. but this movie sounds liek it could be awsome. maybe stick to more symphonic music for the score though or else it could be even harder to get into/believe.

  • Only way this movie is doing well.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    MEMO: to Bill Brasky

    by CaptainBass

    You sir are a prime example of the jingoistic arseholes that make the rest of the world dislike Americans! Do you realise just how drenched in corruption your government is? Your economy is not as wonderful as you think, otherwise GM/Ford etc. wouldn't be begging your government for cash! There are 3 thing you guys do well - entertainment, obesity and illegal invasion! As for letting us rot? If your wonderful economy wasn't in such a state then you guys wouldn't have had to ALLOW Pearl Harbour to be bombed, in order to kick start the war profiteering machine. Your fantastic country didn't give a rat's ass about the millions of people dying until it was fiscally prudent to do so! Fuck you and all your jingoistic revisionist history bullshit. Also, I'm not politically correct, it's you that is a backwards sister humping redneck, so why not go eat your weight in cheeseburgers? Isn't that a small appetiser for you hick twats? By the way, I think you'll find that in order to justify a big budget, Marvel would love this movie to do well abroad, regardless of your worthless opinion. TWAT!

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST

    The above comment...

    by CaptainBass

    ...is not aimed at ALL Americans! I know that most of you are very nice rational people.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Lots of luck to Joe Johnston and company.

    by Orbots Commander

    Captain America is a very difficult character to pull off on the big screen (as is Thor) without it looking ridiculous or becoming a camp-fest. The action, I think, is the easy part. The hard part is to make the character believable, human and real. They're better off getting a really good actor and sacrificing the physical looks of the character. A great actor can make a fantasy character seem real, alive and emotional. See: Christopher Reeve, Robert Downey Jr. and Amy Adams (who pulled off an equally impossible character in Enchanted).

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Bill Brasky for Captain America!

    by Droid

    Getting your ass handed to you in a couple of wars since then hasn't dented your xenophobic national pride then? Gaze at flag, hand on heart, tear in eye, hand over tax dollars to fight another losing battle, God Bless America!

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    MICHAEL C. HALL as Cap!

    by Karl Childers

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Oh my.

    by u.k. star

    There couldn't be a post that was any more the opposite of what Catain America is all about than that one. It's not even worth debating the amount that films need box office from all over the world. Take a look at the top 10 worldwide grossers. See the split between U.S (& Canada) and the rest of the world, then tell the studios to give up 50% - 70% of their box office.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Thank You For Your Emails

    by mrbeaks

    Though I'm sure Marvel would like to consider this Cappy's first big screen adventure, we all know that just isn't the case. Bless you, Albert Pyun.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Yea! Then it'll be sure to rock!

    by 0007

    The Narnia films, aside from SW, are the greatest fantasy films yet in my opinion, so this is very good news indeed!

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Charlie Hunnam of Sons of Anarchy for Cap...

    by j2talk

    would be a good choice for Cap...if Marvel could get past the fact that he is English....

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST

    fuck off prometeo and captain bass. you leech off the US

    by THE_ONE_MAN_GANG

    and i dont know where you are from, but i am guessing it is one of the fucking pussy nations that was saved by us in WW2. or bailed out and protected by us at any point in our history. so go jump on the haters bandwagon, pussy, but remember where you came from.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Yo, Cap screenwriters

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    Please check out "The Adventures of Captain America," a 4 issue limited series that came out in 1991. It had the Cap origin story fleshed out and could be the basis for your script. I'm sure Marvel did this at that time to take the bad taste of the first Captain America movie out of our collective mouths. Make it a bit grittier, though — a little more like Saving Private Ryan.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    THE_ONE_MAN_GANG

    by Continentalop

    While I understand your anger and hostility, no one likes their country or favorite super-hero dissed, I suggest you follow the good Captain America’s example when dealing with other people: be patient and polite, but stand by your principles. Plus, I see no point in mocking any other countries part in WWII, no matter how small, because despite the fact that we did come to the rescue many of them did sacrifice more lives than we did and fought longer. Besides, arguing who did more during WWII is pointless when neither you, I nor anyone else on this talkback did anything during the War. <p> As for Captain Bass and Prometeo, while I agree America is not perfect and we have made many mistakes in the past, and are currently not very popular with the rest of the world, I think you sell us short and underestimate us. I think many people would love to see America go back to the U.S. they loved, as more of an ideal than as country, and a Captain America story that emphasized those traits would go a long way. For many, the idea of America used to mean civil rights, freedom, liberty, and the simple fact that every man deserves a chance. Well, even if you are a diehard Republican, you realize that with Obama now as our president the face of America has changed, and maybe people around the world will look at America, and Captain America, as representing an idea and not so much just a country. <p> And Captain Bass, I have to take exception to your description of the US during WWII. The concept of allowing Pearl Harbor to happen to start WWII has always been a pet peeve to me; the fact that a president would risk several destroyers, air craft carriers, planes, thousands of men and give the enemy a chance to dominate the entire Pacific makes no strategic sense. If FDR wanted us to get into WWII by having the Japanese attack us, he could have goaded them into attacking a smaller port or a single ship than let them potentially destroy our entire Pacific fleet. A hundred of American deaths would have riled America to go to war just as much as much as 2,000+ dead. As it were, we are lucky it wasn’t worst, the Japanese could have done another pass or hit a different day when several more ships would have been docked. Not a very good strategy to go to war. <p> As for jumpstarting our economy, it was already recovering thanks to the War. We were sending weapons and armaments to Britain, so we didn’t have to get into the war for our economy to recover.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 1:06 p.m. CST

    I want it all in this movie.

    by mrfan

    I want the Red Skull, Baron Zemo, tons of Nazis, Bucky, Baron Strucker, The Invaders, FDR, Sgt. Fury and his Howling Commandos, and more Nazis. Yeah. Make it so.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST

    THE_ONE_MAN_GANG

    by CaptainBass

    Considering that your country was founded by and is made up of immigrants, I think it's you who would do well to remember where you came from!

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by CaptainBass

    I'm sorry if I've given anyone the idea I hate America, because I don't! As you say, America is an ideal, a country where anything is possible. I visited years ago and didn't want to leave! It's good to love your country, I just have a problem with blinkered, jingoistic, overtly patriotic flag-waving buffoons (like THE_ONE_MAN_GANG or Bill Brasky) no matter where they are from. However, whether you like it or not, there is strong evidence that the top brass were informed hours before of & most of the best ships in the fleet were moved away from port before the attack. It might make no sense to you, but the U.S needed a major reason to convince the people entering the war was necessary. Also, look at the fake WMD evidence for the Iraq invasion. Why not google 'Operation Northwoods' while your at it for an example of the kind of lengths your leaders will consider going to to justify war.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Ryan Gosling

    by Mr. Profit

    That's why he's been bulking up. And he's about 6'1. Decent height. He can also act his ass off.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Honestly, the writer's don't matter

    by Johnnie Walker

    That much. Marvel is known for being extremely hands-on with their scripts, which is why they bring on writers who are younger and won't go crazy when they're told what to write.<p><p>Rest assured that Brubaker and the Mavel brain trust will have much more to do with the story than these guys. Thank God.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Captain Bass

    by Continentalop

    I have no doubt you have no hatred for the US, and if I somehow implied that I am sorry. And yes, I am not so naïve or jingoistic to assume my country has never entered a war under false pretenses: Gulf of Tonka and Remember the Main anyone? There are many things this country has done that I am not proud of, including lying and misleading the nation to goad us into war. Even if the war turns out to be justifiable, I am still ashamed if false evidence was used to instigate it (such as the First Gulf War, which in hindsight I realize George H. W. Bush was right in launching, still doesn’t hide the fact I wished he hadn’t brought up the false accounts of babies in Kuwait being tossed from incubators by Iraqi soldiers). <p> But the question here isn’t if we have lied or instigate a situation so we can go to war (we have) but instead if FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance. Well, it is true that FDR did know that the Japanese were planning some sort of attack, he didn’t know when or where, or even if they would carry it out. The evidence that he know specifically that Pearl Harbor was the target and when they would hit is very circumstantial, and actually helps exonerate FDR. If the American’s knew enough of the Japanese plans in advance that they could have pulled out the carriers so they were not targeted, why not also pull out the destroyers as well. Or why not send a smaller ship to intercept the Japanese fleet so and have that instigate the war instead? As I said above, a hundred dead soldiers would have led us into war just as much as 2,000+ dead. <p> As for the carriers, two of them were on a mission to deliver soldiers to Wake and Midway Islands, which were intended to protect are plane route to the Philippines, and were considered by many to be a more likely target of Japanese attacks. One of the ships, the Enterprise, was just 200 miles form Pearl Harbor when it was attacked; it was scheduled to be back on the 6th but was delayed by weather. <p> Despite being surprised, the American Navy was lucky in that it was able to get two destroyers out of the docks, and that a third one, the USS West Virginia, although damaged, managed to be repaired. The Japanese also had an option for a third wave, and if they did so could have done to fuel and torpedo storage, maintenance and dry dock facilities. As it were, the US navy suffered severe casualties and loss of planes and ships. <p> For about half a year, the Japanese dominated the pacific, until the Battle of Midway when the US Navy was able to turn the tide and managed to pull off a victory (although heavy loss of ships and men happened there as well, ad victory was anything but guaranteed during the battle). We were lucky to win at Midway, and that after “dodging a bullet” at Pearl Harbor where we could have lost much more. <p>If FDR had allowed the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor he was risking the entire Pacific Fleet. As it was, America lucked out and didn’t suffer nearly enough damage as they could have. Imagine losing one or two more battleships and a carrier, plus the island facilities? If they had been, serious American operations would have been postponed for at least a year, giving the Japanese even more time to expand their control of the Pacific. If FDR had used Pearl Harbor to draw the America into war, it would be like playing chess and sacrificing not just a pawn, but a rook, a knight and maybe even a bishop before the match started. <p> Also, you said America wanted to enter the war and by being attacked by the Japanese was the only way for them to get involved. Well, yes FDR wanted to get involved in WWII, but in the European conflict. The Japanese attacking us didn’t allow us to get involved, only the stupidity of their Ally Hitler did when he declared war on us following the attacks. If Hitler hadn’t, America might have only focused on the Japanese, changing the entire outcome of the war. <p> But while I disagree with you about Pearl Harbor, I do agree with jingoism and nationalism. I have never been a big fan of the "we are number #1, everyone else sucks" club. Have you by chance ever read Orwell's essay on Patriotism versus Nationalism? I think you'll agree with much of it.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Forget the "First Avenger". Just CAPTAIN AMERICA.

    by riskebiz

    In the parts of the world that it would behoove them to not have CAPTAIN AMERICA in the title, then they can rename it the FIRST AVENGER, otherwise, just call the damn thing Captain America. I think calling it "First Avenger: Captain America" is 1) a mouth full and 2) confusing and 3) sounds like you're hedging your bets on just calling it Captain America and therefore as a potential movie ticket purchaser I'm thinking the studio must think there's something wrong with the film and therefore I'll wait to see it when it's on cable ... thereby ruining your box office that "you" as a studio suit that changed to the title was hoping to avoid.____The character's been around since WW2 and it seems like a bunch of hand-wringing over nothing. _____And, I think Charlie Hunnam is an actor that hasn't had his break out part yet and will and should someday, but I don't know if that's Cap. Brad Pitt once said that he was interested ... I'd go for him.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Sure CaptBass

    by DoctorWho?

    I'm pretty sure I can guess your 'theory' on 9/11 as well. And please don't send me a link to your favorite website to prove your point.<p> the moon landing was faked too.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    I agree, "Captain America" only

    by Droid

    Everyone will call it that regardless of the First Avenger part or not. If they really find it necessary, then rename it for international release. Shit, they renamed Live Free or Die Hard to Die Hard 4.0 for no fucking reason. Why not this?

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 3:25 p.m. CST

    I know everyone bigs up the guy on this site...

    by RockLobster800

    but Nathan Fillion would be a pretty nifty Captain America...he might even give a bit of edge to the character. Its become clear that ,in this day and age, a Cap film couldnt be made without him having to take in 60 years of massive changes in America (Vietnam? Corrupt President?! No more commies?!! America attacked?!!! Illegal war?!!!! Black president?!!!!!). They could always go down a slightly comedic route of the out of date captain trying to adjust, before getting his priorities straight and becoming the hero we all love-and if theres one man who can pull of comedy and drama with heroic swagger its the Natester....I hope the film has a strong script. it has the potential to be a really intelligent superhero flick (I pray they just dont go down the gung ho "isnt america great" route) providing the writers PUT IT IN....

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Long titles..

    by u.k. star

    Didn't hurt pirates of the carribean did they? They're selling 2 films in one go, I understand the name change, and you'll be suprosed at how many people know nothing about Cap, despite his longevity.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    uk star

    by Droid

    Do they really need to sell The Avengers flick? It kind of sells itself. And no one i know calls the pirates flicks anything more than pirates 1, 2 or 3. Those epic names do look good on the posters though. It did work for LOTR in a way, but we still abbreviate them down to Fellowship, Towers or Return. The reason they're adding on the First Avenger bit is to soften the blow of a superhero named after a country, which internationally might not fly as well. It's understandable (what would the world think about a superhero named Captain Russia, or Captain Germany!). But since its an established brand, i think its unecessary. IMO of course.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by CaptainBass

    I have not read that essay, I will look into it though. Maybe you're right about Pearl Harbour, to be honest I'm not exactly an expert! I was not trying to directly implicate FDR, just that some of the 'hawks' may have had a more sinister hand in matters. Thank you for acknowledging the dubious decisions made by the US leadership over the years however. I can't believe that I've created this waaaay off topic discussion by having a go at some douchebag, and I apologise to everyone for the minor derailment. Having said that, I will just say this...

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by CaptainBass

    I have made no reference to 9/11, and I won't now. My opinion is my own, and I couldn't give a rats ass whether you like it or not. As for the Moon landings, I believe they took place. So fuck off, you smug prick.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    John Cena as Captain America, HHH as THOR

    by turketron

    IT'S BASIC THUGANOMICS

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Well, fine.

    by phool2056

    I don't see why they don't ever want to save a buck by having Marvel in-house writers do this stuff, or at least take a crack at it. Brubaker's been writing the character, and he's good, but Straczynski is actually a proven screenwriter. The Cap news is pretty meh, I've got to say. I mean, Jon Favreau for Iron Man and Kenneth Branagh for Thor are such dreams come true, it's a little disappointing to hear that Cap is in the hands of a bunch of decent also-rans who've never really distinguished themselves. PROVE ME WRONG, GUYS.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    As far as Cap in the comics...

    by Sick Fixx

    Wouldn't it be ideal for him to start taking on the Illuminati/NWO type powers that seem to become more real to our world every day? I would start buying if that's who he's fighting these days. Corrupt senators who want to propose legislation further invading our already invaded lives, men in black, oil tycoons, NAMBLA, ecoterrorists, Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Bilderberg, billion dollar companies asking for handouts from the government, stock market gamblers and swindlers, propagandists, FBI, CIA, Islamic Extremists, Scientologists, etc. The REAL monsters in the world. I would buy ten copies of a Captain America comic where he hurls his shield at one of those pigs at Bohemian Grove during one of their occult ceremonies, the Cremation of Care, and knocks him off the altar. I know Civil War was about Cap taking on big government in a way, but I'm talking full tilt.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    SIck Fixx

    by blindambition238

    You think you'd really enjoy The Authority...

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    I mean "I think.."

    by blindambition238

    Stupid Blackberry...

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Cap got to be someone as good as Downey Jr. and Norton

    by zooch

    And roughly the same age or who else who is going to believe he can plausibly lead them?

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 5:45 p.m. CST

    The Admantium Shield its all about the shield

    by crazybubba

    chicks dig the shield so please don't screw that up along with whoever gets casts.Here Hollywood let me help you out:<p>Bale as Bat--perfect<p>toby as spidey--okay to good <p>Affleck as Daredevil--sigh

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 5:56 p.m. CST

    I dislike hippocritical jingoism from the US but

    by FamousEccles

    I like Cap - a honourable, honest hero from a more innocent time who ends up in our shitty, stab a friend in the back arsehole of a world - will he question who he really works for after he is revived - I like to see him used by some pig politician who thanks advantage of his patriotism to further his own ends only for Cap to kick his ass - I'd liked Avengers to feature a scene where Rogers is watching or reading about the Final Solution and sees that this evil didn't end with the defeat of the Third Reich but is ongoing today - maybe runs away to the sodiers graves in France - and some humour too about how society has changed - and end with Hulk kicking the Avengers in the teeth

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 6:03 p.m. CST

    the has got to be in his twenties doesn't he??

    by FamousEccles

    the reason he can lead the Avengers is because none of the other avengers can lead a piss up in a Roscommon pub - Stark is whoring alco [love it], Banner can't risk getting a horn with [literally] splitting Betty wide open [hhhhmmm], that insecty married couple are useless, and Thor is fucking nuts. Will the chick from QoS be Black Widow??

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST

    What about Ed Harris as Cap?

    by Sick Fixx

    And what is The Authority, blindambition?

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Captain America is not a boy scout

    by Continentalop

    Ok, I know I am becoming the resident Captain America curmudgeon, but I always get slightly on edge when I hear the words “innocent”, “naïve”, “simpler” and “aw shucks” applied to the good ol Cap. Yes, Steve Rogers is a man out of time when he gets unfrozen, but he is disoriented and trying to adjust; he is not innocent or naïve. Far from it, he is one of the smartest, wisest, mature and experienced heroes around. <p> This reminds me of the argument I used to hear at the comic book store, where people would say Captain America isn’t as tough as Batman because Bruce Wayne had a harder life, with his parents dying and than going on to train at becoming the greatest crime-fighter ever; Cap just took some steroids. <p> Hardly. Remember, besides fighting in WWII, Cap also survived the Great Depression and growing up on Manhattan’s Lower Eastside, the same place where gangster Dutch Schultz, Bugsy Siegel, Lucky Luciano and Owey Madden plied their trade. You have to be streetwise to survive there. Plus, both of his parents died when he was young, forcing himself to raise himself, and him being a feeble, sickly individual didn’t help (plus he didn’t have the luxury of inheriting the Wayne fortune). Here is a kid through force of will educates himself, learns to draw and keeps his hopes alive while trying to struggle to survive in a time of soup lines and mass poverty. So before taking the Super-Soldier formula, young Roger’s went through a hell few of us could imagine. Plus, even after taking the formula, Rogers was put through a very intense training program, and than went and fought in one of the worst wars ever witnessed by man. <p> This reminds me of another comparison, Captain America versus Punisher. I don’t know if any of you remember a comic where Punisher kills all the heroes in the Marvel Universe including Captain America. The Punisher basically pulls out a hidden gun on Captain America and tells him that in Cap’s war they knew who the enemy is, but in Viet Nam you learn how to fight dirty because the enemy can be anyone. I guess Frank Castle never heard of Operation Grief and the Battle of the Bulge, where the Nazi orchestrated a false flag operation and had English speaking SS infiltrate American forces. Cause if he did, he would have known the real Captain America would never fall or something as stupid as a hidden gun. <p> WWII was not pretty, was not clean-cut and was not black and white on the battlefields. American and German snipers would wound an opposing soldier, and than use him as live bait to draw in other targets, sometimes shooting the bait a couple more times in the legs or butt to compel his friends to try to save him. Boobie traps and mines where laid everywhere, and the enemy would often pretend to be dead to avoid capture or to make an ambush. Sometimes the enemy would pretend to surrender, only to have nearby comrades ready to attack while the American forces where occupied. Even the locals couldn’t be trusted, since you never new if they were Nazi sympathizers or not. And of course, lets not forget all the atrocities Cap would have encountered during the war. <p> So as you can see, Captain America is far from a country bumpkin or a naive idealist, or even a big boy scout like the Man of Steel supposedly is. Cap might be polite and kind-hearted, and somehow survive the war without becoming jaded. but he is one guy you don’t want to fuck with or try to fool.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Continentalop, you are correct...

    by FamousEccles

    yes I think I simplified him and the era he comes from - though I would say he would question his 21st Century superiors more than his WWII ones - am I correct in saying that he disappeared before the truth of the concentration camps was known - do you think the Cap movie will be along the lines of Band of Brothers & Saving Private Ryan - that would be fantastic

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 8:33 p.m. CST

    how can you LOVE joe johnston

    by Timahh

    i mean seriously....what on earth in that man's filmography gets u excited about him doing captain america. Was it The Pagemaster....no it must have been Hidalgo.....and if someone says Jumanji i'll stab you in the larynx. They are going to ruin this movie. Of this i am certain. I swear im no fanboy(the only comic i've ever read had the words double digest in the title)But i am certain this is going to be terrible. and its not even so much johnston's fault, the powers at be are just gonna fantastic four all over this thing.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    i will admit i like october sky

    by Timahh

    but that doesnt exactly get me psyched about him handling what could be the coolest superhero ever.

  • Nov. 19, 2008, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Meh.

    by Se7en

    The writers resume for CAP doesn't excite me. Doesn't mean it's not going to be great though. Hoping the best for them.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 6:07 a.m. CST

    Sick Flixx, RE: Authority (if your still reading)

    by blindambition238

    The Authority is a comic series published by Wildstorm that features a Justice Leagueish group of virtually omnipotent superheroes. Unlike the JL though, The Authority exist in a much more gritty universe that is pretty much an exact replica of ours, and is reflected in the heroes' cynicism, exasperation with the world's current state of affairs, and their own morally ambiguous behavior. <p> One of the underlying themes in the book is that it deals with the political and social ramifications of having a group of demigods looking over us: which basically boils down to all the world's governments essentially being neutered of their, well, authority. <p> One story arc deals with the team finally getting pissed off with the corruption and incompetence that exists in all levels of governments around the world and having to clear up after their messes, which leads them to forcefully remove the figureheads of said governments and place themselves in charge of the world. <p> One character in particular, Midnighter, who is basically Batman + The Punisher and the epitome of extreme machismo and badassness, routinely becomes annoyed with all the corrupt politicians and bureaucrats that he cheerfully goes around stomping the shit out of them whenever he gets the chance. <p> That arc was written by Mark Millar I believe, who seems to have carried over those same themes and dynamics with him when he began writing The Ultimates for Marvel and its version of Captain America.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Inventors of sleeping pills for children.

    by cookylamoo

    Ambien, grafted to the screen.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Ed Harris as Cap?

    by RockLobster800

    not a bad idea actually.....it would certainly make me take the character seriously immediatly, lend the role a bit of gravitas and authority, and I can totally picture him leading Downey Jnr and Ed Norton into battle. Plus,we all know the guy can act-I imagine you would genuinely feel for an out of touch Ed Harris trying to adjust to the new world around him, almost due to familiarity with him on screen. Pity the studio will probably think he's too old and probably not good looking enough...Id say they would be ideally gunning for Brad Pitt, as he's a hunk but also an appropriate age and can actually act. But Ed Harris...that would be really good!

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    they're gonn cast will smith

    by Timahh

    i mean come on....its gonna happen. and we are all gonna be pissed about it.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 2:28 p.m. CST

    This movie is so fail.....

    by TheWaqman

    Joe Johnston is fucking terrible, and now we get some garbage screenwriters aswell. Not to mention the shitty cash-in title, First Avenger: Captain America. Fucking hell, you guys bash FOX for their handling of Marvel properties? Marvel is showing (besides Iron Man) that they can't do any better either. Like fuckin hell, it's really sad that they are going ahead with the Avengers movie, but whats worse is that it releases only 2!! (TWO!!) months after Cap America.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Oh and not to mention the shitty Hulk reboot....

    by TheWaqman

    Ang Lee's version was so much better. I think Norton's Hulk was the first summer movie I've slept through.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Brad Pitt as Steve Rogers/Captain America

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Would work great. Bring the hate. Fuck the flamers.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    note to TheWaqman...

    by FamousEccles

    ...you words smell of shit!!! narky for narkey's sake!!

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    THE BEST THING ABOUT NARNIA WAS THE OLDER SISTER'S BREASTS

    by Alex Mack

    DAM THEY WERE HUGE!

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 7:42 p.m. CST

    The Will Smith thing was debunked a while ago...

    by thecomedian

    But if you idiots keep bringing it up some dummy's gonna think people actually like the idea.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    "First Avenger" is SMART PRODUCT BRANDING people!

    by TallBoy66

    The First Avenger: Captain America comes out in May, The Avengers comes out 2 months later. It's all setup folks to maximize the name of the brand. (and trick international audiences into buying tickets)

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Johnston IS a shitty choice to direct...

    by thecomedian

    They should have stuck with Casavetes unless their saving him for Avengers. Cassavetes has more range as a director. Yeah, he's done period stuff with The Notebook and sappy corny shit like John Q but he also did Alpha Dog. So his Captain America film would probably have that perfect juxtaposition of saturday afternoon movie serial, newsreel jingoism with Saving Private Ryan gritty war stuff. If Johnston phones this in all we're going to get is the same corny failure period superhero film we saw with Rocketeer, The Shadow and The Phantom.

  • Nov. 20, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST

    ..AND Sky Captain, almost forgot about that one.

    by thecomedian

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 3:24 a.m. CST

    thecomedian

    by Dingbatty

    I concur with your assessment, though I rather liked Sky Captain, as I think it achieved the pure pulp cover art aesthetic with flying colors (even if the characters weren't developed enough). The other three movies didn't have the proper balance of grit and grace, as you pointed out -- though Billy Zane was a good choice looking for a better constructed movie.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 3:30 a.m. CST

    This is gonna suck and blow so bad with a lot of "hahahaha!"

    by chien_sale

    I Vill Kill You Captain Amercia! Camp of epic proportions.

  • Nov. 21, 2008, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Being Captain America is greater than being an Avenger

    by chien_sale

    They don't need to brand this thing with a red hot iron. Moronic decision by Marvel Studios.