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Possible Kill Screen!! Tuesday Brings FX’s Almost-Last SHIELD!!
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FX cablecasts its penultimate episode of “The Shield” tonight. The heroic Capone is fresh out of screeners to review but we thought we’d stick up a talkback anyway.
Because FX held back the last two episodes from most critics, we can be certain big stuff happens tonight as well as next Tuesday.
TV Guide says:
Olivia joins forces with the Strike Team to catch a Mexican drug king and his shipment. Meanwhile, Dutch cleans up Billings’ mess, and the death of a woman associated with the Strike Team prompts an investigation by Claudette.
10 p.m. Tuesday. FX.
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I love the shout out in this episodes title to the movie, "the king of kong". Great movie, great show. Oh by the way, FIRST POST BIATCH
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you dipshit. the show is ending UUUGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!! - and its all your fault.
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What to expect. Woman associated with strike team = Mara?
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Only two to go.
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mutter "King Kong my ass", then sleep with his wife.
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that set up Vic and Julian?
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Had Claudette crying,,,, some body close in her circle gets wacked?
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because that will really ramp the pressure up on Vic even higher for the final episode
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Vic's kid's mother, Julian's Ex-partner and Claudette's assistant.
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suspiciously absent from the past few episodes. That would be to scoobby doo lame to write her out of the show like that
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is still the best alias on TV ever.
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They mentioned last episode that she was going to coming back to duty, seems superfluous in the second to last episode, unless something is going to go down.
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I have a hard time picturing how some of the characters not directly involved in the case could die. I don't see Vic or Shane taking out Claudette or Dutch. I still think bad things await Claudette whether it's death (she's sick y'know), dismissal or retirement and that the show will end with Dutch being the only regular cast member left in the barn except for Billings.
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C'mon. Dutch dies, Billings gets promoted, Shane and Mara are either jailed or dead (most likely dead).
Vic comes out smelling like a rose and he and gardoki work for ICE. david runs for mayor and continues to use Vic as Vic does him.
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Vick gets away with everything,, but at what cost... I say a mile ass long trail of devestation, pain and heartbreak.
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cuz' her dying would would really F with vic's head, and send him on a rampage.
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Its Corine... if Vic finds out she ratted him out, he'll have big time motive to off her. And who else could it be? Mara, maybe. I don't see any of the other characters having any motive to kill any other females that have recently been part of the story. The only other thing I can think of would be that Olivia goes back on her word to help Vic get onto the ICE team and he kills her over that, but that seems like a stretch to me.
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Didn't they show Shane crying in the preview...
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Vic and his family meet at a diner to eat onion rings... the jukebox is playing Fleetwood Mac's "Don't Stop Thinkin' About Tomorrow"... you can see where this is going. Someone had to say it.
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...hate that bitch...
I'm sticking with Vic kills Dutch, Claudette either dies or ends up in the hospital due to her Lupus; and Billings ends up in charge of the barn. I ,also, think Vic is done with the LAPD. He ends up in a kind of exile; working undercover for ICE in the cartel. -
Might seem too obvious since we saw Shane with her in the preview for tonight's episode, but all of this going on underneath Claudette's nose while she was running the show would be enough to get her to break down. Corrine dying would be spiffy though, because damn, she's a dunce. I hate Yoko Ono...er, Mara, as much as everybody else, but it would be kind of awesome if she outsmarted Vic in the end. Haha.
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The kid is pissed and killing Dutch will graduate him into full on psyco statius. He may even set up Dutch to make it look like Dutch had an obsession of the kid being bad and the kid killed Dutch in self defence.
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gonna do a post episode review on here? plus i am interested in your ideas where the show is headed
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shes due for it.
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and that's all I got to say bout dat.
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Yep, I think Corinne will hire Shane to kill Vic. Shane fails and Mara gets killed in the crossfire. When all is said and done Vic has no family, Shane has no family, and they're both on the run trying to be the last man standing with a bag of cash in hand. Then we get to see next week.
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...take 2 in the chest and 1 in the head before this is all done, I'm gonna be hella pist. I hope Mara and Billings kill each other in the final crossfire too - as Lem's ghost looks on.
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Possible Major Spoiler Alert!!!
Episode 7.13 - Family Meeting (Series finale) [Airing November 25]: A 13 year old is being raped by Mexican gangsters. The gangsters later try to escape.
My theory? The Mexican cartel gets wind of Vick's double dealing with ICE, kidnaps Cassidy and...Vick becomes Frank Castle. -
...and counting
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I wonder if Ronnie might kill Corrine if he finds out that she is working with the police against him and Vic? Vic has already indicated to Ronnie that Shane's wife, Mara, is fair game, and by similar logic Corrine is fair game, too.
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...but "The Shield" is one of my favorite television series, ever.
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Vic kills Shane, Ronnie & Dutch die in the crossfire, Vic gets his ICE job, completely in the clear. Goes home, Cassidy confronts Vic about the trail of destruction he's left, blames him for her mother's death then kills herself in front of him. Totally fucked up, so it might be possible
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Ronnie turns out to be the biggest asshole of them all! if Vic dies - i hope its by ronnies hand!
also.. tina needs to do playboy or something.. anyone else whack off when she was undercover as a porn chick? celeb did! -
For her NOT to be involved in a tragic death before the end. (hers, Vics or Corrines)
And what of the fledgling serial killer ? Wil Dutch wrap that up before the end or will the killer somehow get in the middle of all this ? -
Mara shoots innocent woman LOL
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Well, Danni is back.
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I can see it happening.
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Is gonna shove something heavy up Vic's behind.
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SOOOOOO close to immunity.
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Did they ever say what happened to the new guy they brought in to replace Vic last year? I forget what happened to him.
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Tina is the worst cop ever.
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Tina was gonna get popped right there. TENSE EPISODE IS TENSE!
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Vic is going to freak the fuck out.
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Just got sold down the river.
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Danni get ALL of Vic's kids.
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gogogogogoo
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holy shit!
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Vic is DISHING on TERRY!
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Hooooly shit!
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BEST.LINE.EVER!
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holy shit... just sitting there thinking on where to even start... absolutely freaking bonechilling...
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This is what it feels like for 7 seasons of amazing character building to be payed off and seven seasons of tension to be finally vented!
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but fuck if this isn't the best hour of TV I have ever seen.
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"Your wife's pussy tastes like sweet butter" -- all time best line. "How much memory does that thing have" - a close second
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the "Constant" episode of Lost.
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so far, anyway. That whole sequence where Shane is revealed was maybe the best moment of this show so far.
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will be a full hour of Vic confessing.
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just shit her pants
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He makes them watch as he tells his every crime as he slips away.
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no way he gets a deal now.
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FIRED DUTCH WHAAAAT? I hope she reigns that shit back a bit.
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we are rooting for to nail Vic.
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Ronnie is the only one going to jail.
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I can't believe it's all coming to this. Vic has to die or something next week. There's no way he just gets off scott free (even though I was rooting for him to sign those papers before Claudette got there).
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tragic shit.
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If there is any god he will time jump us all to next Tuesday at 10.
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is Ronnie.
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Vic cut his deal and screwed Ronnie; I wasn't expecting that.
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"I've done worse" is the second best line ever... I may just need a seditive to watch the final episode.... holy shit
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Every week I find myself near fainting because I'M NOT BREATHING! This season is tense and now next Tuesday can't get here fast enough.
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that Ronnie will be the one to take out Vic in the final episode the same way Vic took out Terry in the pilot? Somehow he'll find out he's fucked either way and might as well not let Vic get his deal.
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because he is protecting his family. He had no choice. Can't wait to see how this all plays out next week. Must stay away from spoiler sites till then.
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Something about that small clip in the teaser with him opening the drawer and giving that "fuck it" smile to himself...
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This show isn't that. It is fact. No hyperbole whatsoever in saying that this is the best hour of TV I have ever watched.
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His gun was in the drawer and he picked it up. I should add that.
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I can't see Ronnie doing that. I think Vic will watch everything around him go up in flames despite all his best efforts. He may have his freedom, but at what cost? Everything he loves will be fucked, his kids will be removed from him and his wife (I think) and he will off himself in some hotel room somewhere. fade to black.
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That the dead chick in the apartment was Cassidy? Found it odd that A) we never saw her, and B) we never saw Dutch and Claudette looking at the body.
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Anyone else think Claudette will off herself?
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Nah, that would be too cheap. Plus, if it WAS Cassidy, I think we would got to have seen Shane's reaction, just to dig the knife he stuck in himself a bit deeper.
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Great fucking point, sir.
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Seems like a plausible ending now. Shawn Ryan said he liked the Angel finale a lot though. I can see him leaving it wide open with us to determine if Ronnie pulls the trigger.
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I was just waiting for her to drop dead during Vic's confession
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On Claudette offing herself... either the lupus (it's NEVER lupus) gets her, or she gets caught in the crossfire...
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I'm in complete shock. I cannot believe that Vic would sell Ronnie out like that. Wow.
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He's done worse.
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Shane never saw who it was to get a reaction.
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I just go back to Ronnie's line last week (I think) of "He taught me everything I know."
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who would understand that Vic was protecting his wife. Maybe I'm off, maybe I'm underestimating the stress Ronnie will be feeling and the blame he will be feeling towards Vic. I still don't see him doing it, though.
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Is something I wouldn't expect...so maybe there is something to that. If Cassidy bites it, Ronnie ends up in jail, it sure would put the bookend on the Conscience is a Killer theme of this show.
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I just rewatched the opening... two thoughts came up again, the camera spends way to much time on teh dead body, and Shane NEVER checks on the dead girl, just gets Mara, goes for the money and gets out of Dodge... we next see the house in the later morning with Dutch and BIllings...
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I know Shane never saw who it was, but if it WAS her, I think the writers would have exploited it. Plus it seems too cheap for a show which NEVER cuts corners or pulls cheap stunts to keep things fairly authentic.
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"that shit was cold blooded" can't wait for next week or if the lords of torrents/rapidshare bless up with a screener, i might just spontaneously jizz myself
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You would think the body would have been identified as Cassidy's though by episodes end.
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That was an older woman, and she came out saying "Guys I am trying to sleep!". What the fuck would Cassidy be doing at some random gambling Coke head's house? Please scew your heads back on guys seriously.
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Don't you think someone woulda' maybe told Corrine? It's just too implausible. Why would the show pull a cheap stunt and blow everything they worked up to?
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I am going to be a fraggin zombie for the next week. I cant possibly go to sleep after this. I loved how they just did that close up of Vic's mouth when he confessed to killing Terry. F'n brilliant.
Claudette's only chance right now is to f'up that drug bust for Vic. I am willing to bet that she goes to Aceveda and he gives up Beltran to Dutch and Claudette which then f's up Vics immunity deal. The rest is up in the air. But watching Vic confess all that was like blowing a 7 season load. -
and we need to start taking bets on the character body count at the end. I say 3.
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I don't think it was Cassidy. Just rewatched it.
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"watching Vic confess all that was like blowing a 7 season load."
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Most everyone that works at the Barn has seen or met Cassidy, so Dutch and Billings would have recognized the body and had a much stronger reaction if it had been her.
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Good idea of Claudette working to fuck up the drug bust. I hadn't considered that. While this ep. was awesome, I think for full on chills, and mounting tension so tight you could feel it, I think the outing of Shane was a bit more nailbiting.
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You are right, but for a show that doesn't cut corners to just show some random girl walk into a room with her back showing, gets shot, and never show her face seems like we are missing something there.
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Is just silly, lets move on.
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Dutch. That serial killer kid thing is too open. Mara's unborn kid. Drugs are bad mmkay. Beltran. Fucks up Vic's immunity. Finally...Vic. Ronnie and Shane will be gunning for him.
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The whole ... "some woman close to the strike team gets killed" Cassidy dead is theoretically still on the table.
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I wonder if Ronnie may figure out that he's been sold out by Vic, and turn him in to the drug dealer guy to protect himself. Kinda like getting immunity ("Vic taught me everything that I know."). Doubtful, but who knows??
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Yeah, I'm probably reading way too much into this.
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We know that Cassidy has been screwing up, doing/buying drugs, arranging parties, etc. This closes that subplot and ties it into the overall arch (Shane v. Vic) nicely
The Homicide was not in Farmington district. These were people known by Shane in his Vice days. Cassidy would have been (likely) IDd by cops from the Barn, but not this district. She'd likely be a Jane Doe. What ID would she have?
The camera work itself made us realize the shooting was important. In this episode it was because it was the Mara's downfall. I think there's more to it next episode. We spent WAY too much camera time on the shooting (and the angles itself) for it not to be much more important.
FWIW, it's all speculation, I've been spoiler free, and wouldn't even read Capone's wraps until AFTER the episodes aired the last few weeks. -
Her whole story arc is centered on her finding out exactly who her dad is. How is this show's finale gonna go without her finding out everything? It's pivotal for Vic to suffer her words after she does.
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Vic is still on tape confessing everything Ronnie has ever done, so immunity is out the window.
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True, Cassidy was screwing up, but we saw last week that she was starting to pull things together. There is no way that she is the dead girl.
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Agreed. Vic has to pay and Cassidy knowing who her dad really is a blow to Vic.
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If he dies, it's all out the window. There is no way that scumbag makes it past the first half hour next week. Immunity gone, Vic is forced to do something else.
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The dead girl was an older woman. We didn't see her face or spend much time on her because she was a throwaway device to facilitate the crumbling of Mara. If they showed her face or spent any time on her it would be pointless.
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They wouldn't waste that much time on that whole story line and then throwing it in the penultimate episode without it playing a major role next week.
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I didn't mean immunity via the feds, I mean "immunity" as in a job and avenue of escape via the bad guys. In all honesty, though, I doubt that things will play out that way.
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I think the point would be that Vic's daughter, Vic, the "super cop", becomes just another dead junkie in some other district. After all the shit hes done, he couldnt save his daughter, the only child with Corine that isnt disabled. It would fuck him up which i think could drive him to that moment when he opens the drawer and pulls out that gun. I think that will be the final shot of the series. Vic sitting in that room with his sins and the death of his daughter hanging over his head.
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Vic sold her out during the confession. Ronnie might find out about Corrine at the barn and that's how he will put it together that Vic signed the deal and sold him out. Ronnie kills Vic and drives away to Mexico. Shane and Mara are gonna be lucky if their whole family isn't dead by the end of this. Dutch is getting setup by the Serial Kid with the 6 calls. Vic would never kill himself, he's a sociopath. That's why the ends always justify the means with him.
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So everyone is in favor of little kid fucking up Dutch right? That is the only one that I see major forshadowing on... Other than that, I am just fucking grasping at straws.
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...and that will blow his immunity deal? Just kidding...
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We spend an extraordinary amount of time on this dead girl... we have three different closeups of her in the first few minutes, for just being some random dead body. We're NOT supposed to forget this girl.
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You might be right, but I will never agree that that older woman that got shot was Cassidy.
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The C-plot with Cassidy this season isn't relevant to the end of the series. It was just done to beef up Autumn Chiklis' resume. End of story.
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Nov 18, 2008 10:37:25 PM CST
Memnoch - How did Vic sell out Olivia during the confession?
by taking_up_space
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Not saying he didn't, just that I missed it.
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You know the camera work in this show, they do closeups on door jams and fingers a lot too. Doesn't mean that doorjambs are gonna play a major role in that season.
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know if he confessed to that time his wife filed that complaint and got arrested... this is funny we are going over every indiscretion to find a loophole to the immunity deal.
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He damaged her reputation by convincing her to vouch for him with her superiors, and then turning out to be a giant douchebag.
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Her name wasn't in the credits....are they normally? If not, then she was not credited in this ep....not even as the older dead woman.
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You are coming close to spending more time on the dead girl than was spent in the episode!
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I'm guessing Tina. How else did Shane get away?
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Although, with Dutch's cat killing past, maybe HE kills the kid? It would seem a bit off to pull in the last ep., though.
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Heh... maybe... maybe she was in the grassy knoll, too.
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If Vic told them EVERYTHING then he had to tell them about the blackmail box. We didn't see the entire confession, but I'm sure he told them everything for the immunity to stick.
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If they had actually shown Vic's entire confession, it WOULD have taken a full episode. The way they edited the scenes together shows that he confessed to killing Terry Crowley, and then planting evidence of Neil O'Brien, which means that he had to have confessed to the Money Train. Finally, he confessed to killing Guardo Lima. This means that he confessed to the three largest crimes committed by the Strike Team over the course of the show. Terry, the Money Train heist and coverup, and Lem's death and coverup. If he were willing to confess all of that, there's no way he left out anything minor that ICE could subsequently use to void the immunity deal.
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On to Shane, why is it every time he comes up with the plan... he always ends up getting his ass kicked. Does he plan on it or is he just a douche. Did he sit there and go "Ok Mara, now I am going to go into their house, do some blow, and then I am going to start getting my ass handed to me and you come in and save the f'n day"/. Seriously anytime this guy had a plan he got his ass kicked. Fuck... even when he didnt have a plan he got his ass kicked.
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I know what you mean. Zzzzzz
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That was why she said'Do you realize what you've just done to me?' Vic confesses to killing Terry Crowley, but he doesn't admit to tampering with Federal Evidence to cover for her. No way in hell he would risk his immunity deal for her. He sold out Ronnie, he would definitely sell her out as well.
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He basically just falsified a government record to help Billings. The only question in my mind is whether Frances Fisher is setting him up "Grifter" style to be the son's next victim.
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Thanks, I got that. I thought I had missed some other thing from the comment.
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Is it Tuesday?!?!?!
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possible that something goes down between those two when Danni goes to pick up the kids?
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Dude can take a punch though.
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Hmmm. I hadn't thought about that. I'll have to catch the replay this weekend and see if I pick up on it second time around.
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He's always been a fuck up though, so it fits with continuity. :)
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Did Vic tell them about Olivia's file from the blackmail box? is that what she meant when she said "Do you realize what you've done to me?" Or was she just referring to herself being responsible for his deal and the repercussions of that from her bosses.
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is it possible that those two are working as a team to add Dutch to their hit list
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See above
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ICE already knows about the blackmail box, obviously. But they don't know about Olivia's file and Vic would have no reason to tell them about it, even in the context of his immunity deal. Why? What crime did he commit in holding her file back? Obstruction of justice, maybe. For Vic to get caught on that though, Olivia, Ronnie, or Aceveda would have to rat him out on it. There are some _very_ juicy dramatic implications behind Ronnie or Olivia doing it, but neither Aceveda nor Ronnie know Vic didn't give that up, and Olivia would have to torpedo her own career to take down Vic. I don't see it happening.
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Nah they aint working together. She's being a mom...and it's going to get her and Dutch killed.
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I did see above, I just added more to the thought.
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There goes Claudette's whole reason for living. She was more obsessed with busting Vic than Aceveda ever was.
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Did you see how she reacted to the fact that he killed Terry? I bet she would torpedo herself to stop him.
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You did and I apologize sir.
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He has the best of intentions in the worst shit he does, and yeah, it always blows up on him. His situation is more tragic than Vic's, if you ask me. It is hard to watch him try to protect his family and keep normality with his wife and kids while on the run. That episode where he and his wife were squating in the house and they were so happy was powerful shit. I feel more for Shane than Vic in all this. Shane really seems to have no way out of this.
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Iz cool, we are on a crazy energetic board of heated emotions.
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When she says "Take me home." where the fuck is that exactly?
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I suggested that a few weeks ago, but I'm not so sure anymore. Whatever the case, I do expect closure on that storyline next week (there's no way they'll leave that plot dangling).
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The magical bitch land of stupid whore island?
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Hahahahaha....
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I'll be lucky to get any sleep tonight.
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...what other woman got killed tonight other than the girl in the house? It COULD BE Cassidy. If it isn't, then the creators were being WAY too vague in the ep. sum. (If it isn't Cassidy then how is she associated with the Strike Team?). I think the prediction of Vic killing himself is the most believable ending to me right now; the creators obviously love this character and are aware of how much fans love him, so, him killing himself would be an ending for the fans who want him to go down AND for the fans who want him to do the right thing and/or get away with it. The only other ending I can see happening is him getting shot by Claudette, Olvia, Corrine, or Ronnie. I don't think its Ronnie, because in the preview it looks like him and Vic get Shane and the police are right outside. It would be more "ironic" I guess for a woman to do it. Especially Corrine or Claudette, considerng their characters. I also didn't think this episode was as "shocking" as the advertisements suggested. Did anyone else notice that there were some shots from last week's preview NOT in this week's episode? I'm thinking specifically of a shot of Ronnie standing next to what looked like Mara's bed from this episode, firing a gun into someone dressed in white...
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...to ask Shane to kill out of guilt for her shooting.
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I agree there is more than one way to look at that statement, I believe she meant it about both things. Vic would not have held back about that file for her sake, and even her boss is wondering aloud about what kind of devil they just signed a deal with. Can you imagine what it would have been like for those two agents listening to a complete confession from Vic Mackey knowing that they just gave him immunity from it all. They could have made two whole episodes of just that and it would have been better that most entire seasons of any other show on TV.
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can't wait for Mara to eat a bullet. Whoever the actress is that plays her is really damned good, or really damned naturally annoying
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...see my earlier comment. I think Shane killed Tina to get away.
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We've seen Mara's mom a couple of times, most recently being last episode or the one before. Her house may be considered home, or Mara could even be referring to where her and Shane were living before things got screwed up for them.
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...to ask Shane to kill _her_ out of guilt...
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Cassidy isn't a woman. So no.
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The fates of everyone in the final episode!! Vic has an embolism on the toilet pushing out an extra stubborn poop. Shane snags his arm on a rusty nail fleeing from the police and succumbs to tetness! Claudette explodes in her office for no given reason! Dutch is so surprised that he falls off the balcony in the barn onto one of Billing's vending machines which also explodes killing every notable character except for Ronny, who does an impromptu little jig right then and there before opening an umbrella and floating away to find British children to teach about responsibility and how to make cleaning fun! Meanwhile Lem is revealed, still alive and haunting an opera house with his monstrously disfigured face! Only a forbidden love can sustain his tattered soul!
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How is it that aintitcool can have sixteen moles inside the newest Michael Bay fuck up, Cloverfield's gay monster, Lost (still pissed about reading that spoiler about flashbacks), but not one person has seen the finale? Is Shawn Ryan that good at hiding shit?
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I think she just wants to turn herself in. She wants this to be over with and done. Shane 'should' try to setup a deal with the DA to turn himself in and for that Mara isn't charged with the girl's death. But that would require him being smart. Right now he's fucking up fast and gaining speed. Vic doesn't need to kill Shane anymore, he's got his deal. Ronnie might end up killing both Shane and Vic.
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Dammit, I was trying to avoid spoilers!
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That forbidden love?
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...is a smokescreen. There isn't a strike team left for Olivia to team up with, nor a Billings mess for Dutch to clean up (Billings "cleaned up" his own mess concerning the rapist guy).
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That wasn't me complaining. I am enjoying the spoiler free zone here.
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Now that I'm still awake, I can watch the rebroadcast
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Shit. Don't tell me what happens.
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Everyone involved in the production of The Shield is, presumably, personally invested in its creation. People who work on shit like Cloverfield probably don't give a fuck.
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Did anyone else get flashbacks to a Simpsons episode where Homer learns of Catholic confession and absolution, so he confesses and confesses and confesses and keeps confessing everything he ever did? Liam Neeson was awesome as the priest.
I loved the look of utter shock and disdain on ICE's faces as he confessed. Great long (unbroken) take on Mackey's face as he came to terms with confessing his sins (mostly Terry's murder) out loud without his usual BS justifications...
Emmys all around, this season. Corinne, Vic, even Olivia all deserve winged gold.
what are the chances this show leaves ANY thread up to our imagination? Like just a shot of Dutch on a stakeout outside the kid's house, leaving it open-ended? Kinda like a season-ending montage to the Wire, where you see a little bit of everyone with clues as to their future (i know, i know, this show isn't the wire....) -
The perfection of time travel brings with it new opportunities for criminals. The government sets up a special police force (I.C.E) to ensure the new technology isn't abused. Vic Mackey, one of these cops learns of a corrupt politician's plot to become president using the device. David Accevada discovers Mackey on his trail and the real action begins--in Mackey's own past!
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only question is, will he cap Vic first. I don't think he'll care about Shane anymore. We've seen that he's willing to forgo vengeance (on Shane) to get a jump on running - he should we willing to do likewise for Vic. But you never know, maybe he'll F himself over for a shot at some payback (like Deniro at the end of Heat).
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We need to see Antwon Mitchell in the finale.
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So true. I think it's really awesome that it hasn't leaked anywhere yet. It shows hope much respect this show gets. It deserves it.
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and Mara is obviously in pain, but can she whine a little more?
By the way, she's only concerned with the woman she shot? What about the other guy she put down? No respect, huh? It's not like the woman was pregnant or anything....
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Definitely not Cassidy that got shot, also Corrine MAAAAYYYY have heard about it at some point the next day? Perhaps a notable lack of elder daughter when she dropped the other kids off at the babysitter?
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SPOILERISH SPECULATION:
Hey, remember when Antwon Mitchell killed that girl with Shane's gun and hid the body, and there was the plot with Vic and the Strike team trying to get her body back? Antwon was eventually forced to plead guilty to her murder, but some part of that may come back as the catalyst for Claudette to try and negate Vic's immunity deal. That could also play into TV Guide's blurb about "the death of a woman associated with the Strike Team". -
If you're right, Nofate, that's a HELL of a comeuppance for the Mackey clan.....
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She's 15 in real life, and is Michael Chiklis' daughter (in case you didn't know). Also, Corinne is played by show creator Shawn Ryan's wife.
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Oh, hell, I didn't realize until now that Julien (Michael Jace) played the black boxing contender in the movie "The Great White Hype"! A hilarious flick if you haven't seen it!
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No words for how great that was. However, I do have words for you silly bastards who think the chick that got shot was Cassidy. Yes, that would've been funny, but c'mon you little numbnuts!
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no it wasn't Cassidy. the death was related to the strike team because the murderer was Mara. Shane's wife. it's as simple as that.
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Thank you, sir :)
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but I never thought he'd sell him out. times like these i have to remind myself that ronnie deserves to go to prison. not one of them should get away. glad claudette didn't have a stroke. it looked like she was going down.
i suspected vic would be the last one standing with the ashes of his friends and loved ones weighing on him.
one thing's for sure neither shane nor ronnie learned enough from vic to outplay him.
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Does anyone here also watch "The Wire"? If so, how does it rate in comparison to "The Shield"?
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Was NOT the girl who was shot. Remember that Ronnie informed Vic of the shooting in the house. Don't think that would have slipped Ronnie's mind to tell Vic his daughter was shot.
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Vic sitting in the interrogation room contemplating how he's going to start telling his story of murder, lies and greed. That's what I call deafening silence.
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Posting last is way harder than posting first.
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Maybe I am the first last poster.
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In regards to the "death of a woman associated with the Strike Team" line from TV Guide, after watching the episode I think it clearly means that the death itself of the woman in the apartment was associated with the Strike Team (albeit loosely) since Mara killed her. Could just be a poor choice of words from the editors of TV Guide.
As for the broad that got offed, obviously it was not Cassidy since later Corrine says she needs to go pick up her 3 kids from the sitter. Kind of hard for Cassidy to be there if she was dead - unless the sitter moonlights as an undertaker. Not to mention the fact it would be just a *wee* bit too convenient for Cassie to be in the apartment of some scumbags who Shane had a past connection with and who he just happened to randomly stumble across while all this shit is going down. Use your heads guys. The writers aren't that stupid or lazy.
As for Dutch, I think the serial killer teen is trying to set him up to be his next victim just to prove he is smarter than Dutch. It was the kid who used his mother's phone to call Dutch six times (the mom looked surprised at that news). I think in the final episode the kid will text Dutch pretending to be the mother saying that she is in danger (or she might actually be in danger and is being used as bait) and Dutch will kick in the door and get blasted by the kid who will claim he thought Dutch was in intruder - just like the original crime involving the kid which Dutch was investigating. Oh, the irony!
I hope not cuz I dig Dutch and it would suck to see him get peeled by that punk, but it would be interesting to see the look on his face as he realizes the kid got the better of him as he drifts off to death.
As for Vic... maybe Claudette will snap, blow Vic's head off, yell "Fuck it, man! I gots the Lupus!" and then put the gun in her own mouth. Who knows what the fuck will happen. But I suspect that last shot in the preview for next week will be the final shot of the whole series: Vic's smug little grin that he got away with fucking everything as the credits roll. Only thing I'm sure of is that Ronnie is royally fucked and is going to prison but we'll get a great payoff reaction shot as he realizes that Vic sold him out after he was convinced Vic had his back following their meeting with the Feds. Good stuff!
And now, by public demand, I will promptly fuck off.
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Nov 19, 2008 1:40:41 AM CST
"Claudette investigates the death of a woman connected to the St
by pops freshemeyer
The shooting was connected to the Strike Team. Why is everybody having such a hard time getting that? Shane didn't kill Tina, it wasn't Cassidy that was shot, and so on and so forth...
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was that it would all end as it began... with Aceveda being the one that gets Vic... one way or another.
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The Shield is not nearly as rich or subtle as The Wire, and it probably will not heavily reward repeat viewings. But it's still a fantastic show with great writing and acting. Also,
Clark Johnson, the guy who directed the first and last episode of The Wire (and was also the newspaper editor on the last season), also directed a handful of The Shield eps including the final one. -
COGGINS: BEST SUPPORTING EMMY. GAME OVER.
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A lot, evidently. And how about that opening sequence? This can't end well for anyone.
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Victor Samuel Mackey, I guess that leaves "the real Victor Samuel Mackey" free.
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Nov 19, 2008 4:41:26 AM CST
Couldn't possibly be Cassidy because...
by thebomankicksassandtakesblame
She has to be around in the final episode to kill Vic. I've been saying this for weeks and when it turns out to be true, I expect some Talkback respect.
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and ill tell you why... the wire is a beautifully crafted complex tale, but in the end, i didnt give a fuck how it went for any of those motherfuckers, except maybe a couple of the kid characters and omar. now, i am a black male from souhern california, l.a. area specifically, a corrupt white l.a. cop is my natural enemy. When Vic got clear of all the shit he did, i shook my fist in rejoicement. That is powerful TV, ladies and gentlemn. I rejoiced in Mackey's victory. I sympathize with the man's gains and losses. The flawed hero is the ultimate protaginist, and mackeys got true balls and grit, where the likes of say mcnulty, is a preening egotist. They both confessed their sins in the end, but vic confessed to way more and way worse. Maybe because i am from l.a. and not the east coast i am saying this, but in the end, the shield definitely engrossed me more than the wire.
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remember that muscular psychpath that Vic turned over to his contact on the Mexican border? This guy was going to face a certain slow and brutal death in Mexico. As much as Vic deserves it, it would be shocking to see Vic carted off in a similar manner, kicking and screaming. Maybe by the Armenians. Famke "run lola run" could come back with thugs to take out Vic and his family. Carry Vic off... Throw him into the back of a van. The end. Actually, can't happen cuz Cassidy will kill Vic.
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...not so happily ever after on that farm in Mexico that had previously been arranged for Lem. Probably Ronnie.
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...not so happily ever after on that farm in Mexico that had previously been arranged for Lem. Probably Ronnie.
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the feds fuck up the bust on purpose.. as she said, they will get the guy eventually.. then vics deal means shit..
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...that Mark Protosevich is helming the Smith/Spielberg remake of Oldboy?
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Vic tied to a chair, under a spotlight, somewhere in a dark basement or warehouse.
Dutch, holding a pair of pliers, walks over to Vic, leans down and whispers in his ear:
"I told you not to touch my Ho-Ho's, Vic."
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They have gone on and on about how the President will be in LA the following day.
Yet in every theory about the final episode, I've not seen ANYONE talk about that.
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Vic has become Terry Crowley, the man he shot in the very first episode. Terry was going to sell out his partners for a posh gig with the federal government. Vic killed him only to do the exact same thing. If Ronnie finds out and shoots Vic, it will all come full circle. However, even if that doesn't happen, Vic is a full-on rat, the last thing he ever said he would be.
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He ratted on Ronnie to protect his family ... it wasn't a selfish decision.
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Actually I got flashbacks to the Seinfeld episode (The Andrea Doria) where George goes before a committee to get an apartment by telling about all the bad things that has happened to him. It goes on for hours as they show the committee members crying.
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No one has mentioned the possibility that Vic will find out his wife was working with Dutch and Claudette and never was in danger of actually being arrested. Then he would realize he was too quick to pull the trigger on the deal with ICE and leaving Ronnie behind. That alone would weigh on him extremely heavy.
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A rat is still a rat, which when you add that with all the other horrible things Vic testified to, that makes him worse than a rat. I love the guy, but let's face it, if all Vic cared about was saving his family, he could have just given himself up.
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....Vic to win,Dutch to die(he's a self righteous arsehole,who stalked Tina and killed a cat!LOL!).
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would be my guesses
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...THIS is ho you do a final season!
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He did it to save his family, which he thought was about to be blasted apart. Vic was loyal to Ronnie to a fault but when push comes to shove, a man will always choose his family, especially his kids. It really sucks that Vic sold Ronnie out and I sincerely think he wouldn't have done so were his family not in the crosshairs but the real question is whether Vic will tell Ronnie and give him an out or leave him to his fate.
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to find himself face to face with a strange looking man with wide bulging eyes. "My name is Benjamin Linus. You have work to do Victor Mackey," he says.
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Is not a theory.. Its retarded bullshit. People were trying to be nice, but enough. It makes you look like a fool to say thats Cassidy. The 'associated with the strike team' is obviously referring to the chick Mara killed, without giving away too much plot. That description has been around for a long ass time.
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You are a grade a dope for your cassidy theory. get over it. dont bring it up again.
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I hope Ronnie gets out of it somehow. He constantly gets screwed. From getting his face burned on a stove to getting the strike team disbanded. I don't even think they gave him a last name until last season! Maybe Ronnie was working undercover for the FBI since day one! It could happen...
I thought Danni packed up her house and left town so Vic wouldn't find her. Now she's back at the barn? Seems pretty easy to find her, Vic is an ex-cop after all. -
Except for one thing... they were Ding-Dongs, no Ho-Hos
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This show was never about Karma, it was about the shades justice can come in, if there is such a thing as justice. That said: there will be NO FULL CIRCLE BULLSHIT, whereas some character sets Vic up like Terry. Thats bullshit, cliche, and this show is not cyclical like that. Also, whoever said it was a genius: Vic is a sociopath, and would never kill himself.
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How did Dutch and Claudette find out Vic was with ICE? I've been thinking about it all day and can't come up with an answer
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Dutch (the righteous cop) will be killed but not by the serial killer but from a cross fire between Vic and the police. Claudette may get satisfaction to see Vic behind bars or killed, but she is also distraught by the loss of a true friend. In the final moments of the show, Claudette sits in Dutch’s desk to collect his personal belongings and sees all these messages from the serial killer’s mom. Claudette realizes that Dutch’s hunches were correct. Claudette visits the house and apprehends the serial killer in honor of Dutch, but in the process she collapses from her medical condition and is rushed to the hospital. We don’t know whether she lives or dies. As for Ronnie, the cops are after him, and eventually there is a shoot out where he dies. And Shane being who he is, will drop his family home and run to Mexico never to be seen again (ala Val Kilmer in Heat). Corrines’ fate is that she took part in betraying Vic and her daughter Cassidy will never forgive her. If Vic lives....months later, Vic is in jail and is visited by his daughter. They have a touching moment and she tells him that she still loves him. Vic tells her to continue with school and he promises that so long as he’s alive he will be there to protect her. Minutes later as he walking back to his cell, he gets assassinated. Or worse, Vic receives a picture of her dead daughter in jail and Vic commits suicide.
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Shane dropped a grenade in Lem's lap when he mistakenly thought Lem sold them out - in the name of saving the team. Vic essentially dropped a grenade in Ronnie's lap in order to save his family.
If Vic's not Terry then he certainly has taken on a shade of Shane. And when he realizes what happened it'll a) just tear him up; and b) force him to look at what Shane did a whole lot differently.
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For a mayoral candidate, he really doesn't have much of a support staff, now, does he? It's been interesting to finally see some movement in the plot over the last 2 or so episodes (whereas prior thereto, the "plot," such as it was, remained in a circular holding pattern). But seriously, the whole thing with Vic constantly pushing guns out of his face and claiming he's more valuable to the shooter confronting him alive than dead is about as old and tired as every significant conversation in "Lost" taking place at gunpoint. It's entertaining, I'll give it that. But the show indulges too often in a sort of cartoon logic that undercuts its much-lauded "realism." Personally, I'd love to see a Dutch spin-off - but I fear he's marked for dead already.
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I think Beltran is not buying what Vic is selling and they are going to find nothig but an empty wharehouse. I just think Beltran has been waaaay too easy with Vics every order/request and that is going to be the catylist that really screws Vic. Also the Wire and the Sheild are pretty close to even in my book they both make me yell at the tv until my wife has to bring me an ativan to calm down.
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You summed up Shane to a tee. He has a black cloud that follows him. It made the show more humorous for me to watch when he would try to act all tough and smart. He's a redneck meathead. The fact that he's hooked on the yayo again is classic. Goggins deserves an emmy nod for sure.
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Nov 19, 2008 1:53:12 PM CST
I was drunk and drugged out as hell when I watched this....
by cisco dyke
so my memory isn't so good. vic could've set something up with ronnie off screen before he cut the deal. some sneaky plan. i suppose i should rewatch the ep before i start theorising though.
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anyone have a link to the trailer for the finale episode? or where it can be found?
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on the final episode including what every person involved with the show has said of the ending. I've read dozens of theories, many of them plausible and compelling, but I have not heard this one:
Claudette knows Vic has immunity so we must also assume she knows Ronnie does NOT have immunity and that because of Vic's testimony, Ronnie's been hung out to dry. Claudette, possibly with the help of ICE, flips Ronnie for immunity if he will turn on Vic. Ronnie approaches Vic about Vic's testimony. Vic, as always, has a plan. The plan calls for him to do something not covered by his immunity deal, robbing the Black Syndicate of their buy money so that Ronnie has money to run with. Ronnie goes along with it. Either the bust goes sideways and Vic dies there or the bust goes well, Ronnie is immune and Vic will be free of all charges except the latest one. ICE wins, Ronnie's free and Vic gets caught for a serious, if lesser than what he deserves, charge. He'll go up for some felony charge which offers a reduced sentence due to his exempliary service record(in the public's eye) and a good attorney. He'll have to answer, but not for all the things he's actually done. He's caught, but with the satisfaction of knowing it's over, that Corrine is not going to jail and his family, particularly Cassidy, will have survived the crap he's put them through for 7 years. -
Vic always has a plan. Maybe he's got something up his sleeve. **unrelated** Wasn't there a shot in next weeks previews showing Vic in the barns interrogation room and it looks like he's about to rip the camera down from the ceiling?
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I don't remember te shot of vic at the barn. And TopHat the shot showing ronnie firing someone on a bed already occured, he killed a guy related to the armenian thing for vic earlier this season. Now this will be the longest week ever to wait for the holy conclusion...
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Ronnie finds out that Vic sold him out and makes his own deal with ICE, Ronnie gets immunity (but no job or other benefits) in exchange for helping ICE break its immunity deal with Vic. Ultimately, Ronnie realizes Vic has confessed everything, so Ronnie claims that Vic killed the Armenian hitman (the one that Ronnie actually killed) and the Feds, so gung ho to get out of their bad deal with Vic, take this possibly false information and use it to void Vic's deal. Remember, the blood on Ronnie's hands looks a lot less than the blood on Vic's (Ronnie never killed a cop in cold blood and was more of an order taker than giver).
The Bust goes down with the Mexicans, and Dutch and Claudette come in at the same time, and scoop up Vic when the Feds take the Mexicans. Vic is confused, thinking he has immunity, then realizes that Ronnie sold him back out. Ronnie walks off, into the sunset. No job, but no jail.
Anyone who thinks Vic kills himself clearly doesn't get the show or his character. Vic will hustle and fight for what he wants or needs with every fiber in his body. Suicide is a concession/way of giving up. Have we ever seen Vic Mackey give up?
Also, psycho kid kills Claudette, who went to the house when she answers Dutch's cel phone, and hears the Mom is in trouble. Dutch finds the Mom and Claudette killed when he goes to the house to follow up.
I don't know what to predict with Shane and Mara. My gut says Mara dies and Shane kills himself, but I cannot stomach the possibility of where that leaves Jackson. More realistic would be Shane kills Jackson them himself once Mara dies (in a tragic "we'll all be together in heaven" angle) but I cannot imagine any show having the balls to do that (kill a 3 year old by his father's hand in a series finale). I just don't see how their situation ever gets better, and it actually depresses me for Jackson (until I remember this is just a TV show). -
Beltran didn't get to where is he being an idiot. He could totally be playing Vic.
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i think Claudette got a call from ICE telling her to release Corrinne, because Vic was flipping. His immunity deal would've required someone from ICE to call wherever Corinne was being held....
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During the confession, i kept expecting Dutch to say "You have got to be shitting me!" It was his catch phrase the first season or two....
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explanation. I thought that it was in reference to the Sopranos finale.
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Vic is going to sacrifice himself. In some way, shape, or form, Vic will die. But in a way that we the viewers will believe it's for something worth while. His last redeeming act as the dark hero. BTW, ICE doesn't have the juice to give someone that type of immunity...lol.
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Vic always has a plan. Maybe he's got something up his sleeve. **unrelated** Wasn't there a shot in next weeks previews showing Vic in the barns interrogation room and it looks like he's about to rip the camera down from the ceiling?
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Sorry to invade this talkback, as I'm a huge Shield fan, but goddamn was tonights episode intense.
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Thanks for the insight
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Just finished watching this ep. I'm stunned. Every time I think the Shield has done something that will never be topped, they turn around and prove me wrong. Lem's death, Vic killing Guardo, Kavanaugh confessing, Vic confronting Shane, Shane getting caught trying to put a hit on Ronnie, and now this. If, somehow, the finale tops this episode, it will have to rank up there with the best series finales ever, if not one of the best single episodes of TV ever.
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Critics are fucking cluesless douchebags and frankly, most people just can't wrap their head around the whole antihero concept. SoA has an insanely brilliant cast and each episode has gotten progressively more intense. This show actually reminds me alot of The Shield because it actually has the balls to kill off major characters and drop others into the meat grinder. I don't know why this show get ignored by critics while insipid shit gets praised but considering we live in a world where something like Grey's Anatomy gets better ratings than The Shield, I say fuck it. I'm just glad I personally have enough common sense to recognize how good some of these shows actually are.
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I agree SoA is really gripping. Though I did find one thing with Last Nights episode beyond logical. **SPOILER** Opie goes off like the Terminator on the Mayans and the 19ers to save Tig's ass and he doesn't figure out at that point Opie hasn't turned on them? -- **END SPOILER** SoA is definitely a good show, but I'm still gonna miss The Shield.
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That was one of the best hours of tv I've ever seen period.
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