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Details Emerge On John Carpenter's Gangster Movie, THE PRINCE!
Beaks here...
This is the epitome of "cool news".
Though you should definitely temper your enthusiasm, it's hard to not get worked up over the idea of a John Carpenter gangster flick. For a guy who favors tough, laconic, loner protagonists, it's a wonder he's waited this long to tackle the genre head-on.
The movie, which is only in development at present, would be called THE PRINCE, and, according to screenwriter Jeremy Passmore (who spoke with CHUD's Devin Faraci last week), it would essentially be "UNFORGIVEN as a gangster movie". It would also be "brutal and dark and violent at the end." Want to know more? Click here.
Though I love the idea of Carpenter playing around in the gangster genre (especially since he's such a Howard Hawks nut), we do need to remember that he hasn't got a feature off the ground since 2001's GHOSTS OF MARS. He seemed close to production recently with L.A. GOTHIC, but that appears to have fallen by the wayside. There's also talk of a Nicolas Cage prison movie called RIOT (formerly SCARED STRAIGHT). At this point, any new Carpenter would be welcome, but I think I like the idea of THE PRINCE the best if only because it sounds like the meanest of the three. In general, the meaner the Carpenter, the better the cinema.
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NOT ME!!!
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....it does sound pretty cool. I just wanted to see what it felt like to be a jerk in a talkback.
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The man who could take a small budget and create a kick-ass classic film and make it look effortless. The guy who used to be my favorite director with perfect films like Halloween, The Fog, Escape From New York and Big Troble In Little China? I heard he was taken over by a talentless old hack who not only lost his eye, but his vision as well. I'm beginning to think that without Debra Hill as his producer, the guy will never come back. The new Carpenter even pisses on his old classics by selling off the rights for shitty remakes. RIP John Carpenter.......
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Not only has he gotten a movie off the ground in eight years but a look at the last three movies he did before that wouldn't generate even a bit of enthusiasm.
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This script sounds great, now all it needs it some Cundey cinematography and two shits to be given by Carpenter and we might be talking about a late in the game career revival.
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with Del Torro's crew helping with the creatures
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Nov 17, 2008 7:45:52 PM CST
Ghosts of Mars is my least favorite movie of all time...
by spacker dave
...given the pedigree it comes from. The Thing is my second favorite movie of all time so that'll give you an idea of how far the mighty have fallen. It's no wonder why it's taken so long for Carpenter to get on track. I hope he knocks this out of the park but my enthusiasm is extremely tempered.
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dude has basically done nothing for years, just two episodes for Master of Horror. Are people even willing to finance his projects anymore? Don't get me wrong, it would be nice to see a new Carpenter film again, but he hasn't really done anything worthwhile in years, perhaps decades.
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Shit, the man could direct a tampon commercial and I'd still watch that fucker!
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I always got the feeling he just gave up...in recent interviews and encounters I've heard he just sounds bitter and hateful. I hope he gets his mojo back.
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He's getting reaaallly old. And you know what happens after you get that old?
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I saw a filmmarket poster online last week witha riot shield and the title "painted across it. The new title is a good thing I think, because "SCARED STRAIGHT" sounds like an after school special from 1983.
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maybe we'll talk
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He's gritty and nihilistic, and even more pissed off than ever! Bring on the darkness!!!
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Love his movies, but after a stretch this long - I doubt anything he makes will be relevant.
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Robert Altman was sixty-four when he got back in the game with VINCENT AND THEO (and look at his run from QUINTET to TANNER '88 - not pretty). Carpenter just needs some material that kicks him in the ass. A nihilistic gangster movie could do the trick.
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gangster flick...........................and i'm all out of bubble gum.
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But I'm not going to get my hopes up.
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If I know Talkbacks, this will get real nasty, real quick. John is my film hero. I went to WKU because he went there. The man has had a rough career, besieged on all sides by fans and critics alike all the way. The films we all consider classics, outside of HALLOWEEN, were pretty much spit on and kicked around by the fans and critics alike during their theatrical releases. THE THING got the worst of it. I remember. I was there. And he remembers too. Nobody got BIG TROUBLE during its theatrical run. THE FOG was bombed. ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK was panned. ASSAULT ON PRECINT 13 snubbed. He should be bitter. Any of us would be bitter. There is no director alive today that deserves a comeback more than John Carpenter, and hopefully one that won't have to wait 20 years to see any appreciation.
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"penter" is just icing on the cake.
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westerns of all time. I sure hope its not like a gangster version of that movie or it may just be a boring as Unforgiven too.
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I'd love to see John make a old Western/Alien Invasion flick. Shoot it in 3d. Have that Touch of Evil and it Came from Outerspace shit about it. Something from space crashes near a small western town. A deafening boom and large blinding flash illuminates the night sky. The Sheriff and some men go out to the crash area to investigate it. When they come back. It's obvious that they are possessed. The remaining town tries to kill This possessed Posse. No fucking chance in hell! A kid escapes on horse back. He confronts a loner living secluded in the hills. This Loner is known for his gun and bare handed fighting skills. He begs him to go back to the town to kill this evil before it infects the world. Something like that.
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ONLY if it has a fifteen minute homoerotic black on white brawl in an alley where someone is forcing someone else to put on glasses.
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Nov 17, 2008 11:17:41 PM CST
Well shit.. Thats too much like Ghost of Mars
by dracula_wants_the_amulet
I got it John Carpenters Indian Massacre- based on the Jamestown Massacre.
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take everything he has and everything he's ever gonna have." If this movie has lines like that....it'll be awesome.
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Is the development of an Alien Gangster Genre. I would see the feel to be like Blade Runner, and great kooky characters that you could find from the casino scene in Star wars. Some Aliens would have lEEt talents like being able to assassinate while others with big heads would be the bosses because they would be smart. There would be fish aliens who would take other alien gangster to their doom under water and possible fornicate with them in weird 70s style gritty film shots with The Bangles Eternal Flame playing in the background. Cameos by E.T. or other world famous aliens would be a must.
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Even though he has made less than stellar work, I love The Thing, Big Trouble in Little China, and In the Mouth of Madness too much to not get hyped.
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he's so overated
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RIOT = "straight to dvd" title
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A Cage/Carpenter prison movie would be cool, but this idea sounds more interesting. Carpenter has made a ton of westerns that aren't westerns, so he can do this shit.
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my dad is fucking 61, and he rides his bike all over the city for fun. Carpenter shouldn't be in a hurry. if this project is worthwhile, and it sounds like it is, let it marinate and hopefully come to fruition. he doesn't need to make The Thing again, he just needs a hit to get him back into the realm where he can make what he wants. get a couple of A-list actors signed on, and this will definitely get made, and then it's off to the races!
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Why shit on one of the finest endings of all time. Carpenter needs to make Escape Part 3 befor clubbing the remake artists to death with a big stick for shitting on his work.
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Assault on Precint 13, Halloween, The Fog, Escape From New York, The Thing, Starman, Big Trouble in Little China, Prince of Darkness, They Live and In The Mouth of Madness.
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Sidney Lumet is 84, and he just made one of the best fucking films of 2007. Clint Eastwood is 78 and if you’re not looking forward to Gran Turismo you’re a fucking idiot. Carpenter can keep making flicks until he drops. Go back to the Robotech talkback, douchebags.
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Just cast him.
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And I love Escape from LA, Invisible Man and even Vampires (But Kurt should have been in that one). I love them because somehow they felt his 80s movies. Dialogue felt 80s, the effects felt 80s. The man is stuck in time.
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I love it.
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But deep down they still know it would kick ass for someone like John fucking Carpenter to come back and make a movie that just owns everything. I see the potential here. Come on, John. One more, for the fences...
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Now.
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He does crappy B-movie stories, but somehow was given an A-list budget.
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As opposed to all those non brutal and dark endings in Carpenter's flicks?
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Did you expect someone to hand out balloons and teddy bears at the end?
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which was such a love letter to Carpenter's EFNY (the intro, the title font, the music), that Carpenter needed a kick ass script and a decent budget and he could knock one out of the park again. Those one-offs for Masters Of Horror don't count, he was just keeping his beak wet. Lets hope this is the one. He is the last of the genre kings of the seventies to hang hope on. Hooper..sorry. Dante..where are you (I know about his next project tho)? Romero..stuck in zombieland. Cronenberg...doing excellent work, but has abandoned the "new flesh". DePalma...waiting for a return to glory.C'mon John, we need you.
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I call it a ripoff. I haven't seen it, but I can tell just from the trailer. I'm not saying I wouldn't like it, but I'm saying it's nothing really original.
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Wow. Cocaine's a helluva drug. I haven't seen all of Carpenter's work but even a shitty Carpenter movie is at least not boring. Except I don't get the geek love for Prince of Darkness. But it's such a consensus that it's great, it must be me.
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Is a "B" movie maker. These guys need high outputs and low budgets. If he cranks out enough, probability says something will be entertaining. The fact that he stopped making movies isn't good.
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Nov 18, 2008 9:41:41 AM CST
John, for shit's sake. Put down the weed, grab a camera
by stuntcock mike
Please. We want you back.
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Carpenter is one of the best horror directors of all time. I would like to see a follow up to Prince of Darkness. That or In the Mouth of Madness. See the chaos spread and what would come afterward... In the mean time, I have Fallout 3.
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He's become awful. He hasn't made a decent film since MEMOIRS OF AN INVISIBLE way back in 1992!!
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so I'll just echo previous sentiments. Carpenter used to be so stellar, I'll still see any garbage he puts out there (and yes, everything since Escape from LA has been garbage). The man created truly original and badass flicks: Assault on Precinct 13, Halloween, The Thing (ooooh, so good!), Big Trouble, Escape from New York, In the Mouth of Madness, Prince of Darkness... (I think some people should go rewatch the Fog though, that was a misstep. Just some real poor stuff in that one).
And dear god, NO NICHOLAS CAGE! When was the last time that guy was in anything watchable? Adaptation, maybe? Reuniting Carpenter with fucking badass Kurt Russell is the best idea ever. -
...hasn't shown up yet, telling everyone how Big Trouble in Little China is "the only good movie" Carpenter ever made.
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wondering if this movie was a John McCain biopic.
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that would be a freaking nice weekend....Somebody said they don't get the geek love for Prince of Darkness. Same here man. I'm definitely excited/hopeful about a new Carpenter flick though...anybody has Kurt Russel's #. If that movie was ever made. This site would be swarmed by excitement and the world would be at peace.
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I don't know the ins and outs of all posters, but he's said that? Wow, I mean I don't like every Carpenter movie, but what Carpenter fan does not put Halloween or EFNY on top?
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Me. The Thing FTW!
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...is quite possibly my favorite movie of all time.
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Carpenter was supposed to have turned in his Director's License after that debacle. Apparently, he was spared this humiliation thanks to several glorious close-ups of Natasha Henstridge.
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The funniest thing about GOM is comparing the DVD cover with the movie. On the cover, Ice Cube is taller than Henstridge, but in the movie she virtually towers over him. Other than that the movie sucks mightily -- possibly Carpenter's worst effort.
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Shouldn't Drew be getting the scoop on this? I hope this gangster movie is accompanied by a kickass synthesizer soundtrack!!!!!!
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Wherein an alien parasite infects a 50s pop band. Featuring all new synthesizer soundtrack by Carpenter.
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Agreed. GOM is also a good example (despite its premise) of how his movies seemed to have gotten smaller over the years. There is such a slapdash feel to both GOM and VAMPIRES that it really makes you appreciate his earlier work.And man, Henstridge still looks good but back in the day...dear Lord! I would gladly let her tower of me.BTW - I've had no luck trying to find the last traces of Tom Bodet.
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Mmm Mmm Ghosty!
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Snake got laid off from Lehman Brothers.
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Is a bad film on every level- it's a remake of one of his own remakes and sucks mightily. Having said that, I would like to fold Henstridge and.... *jarv trails off in a pile of drool*
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That was meant to be "fold Henstridge like a deck chair"- but I mangled it. Shit. Anyhoo, Bodet has several new monikers. It's hard catching him though.
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Do you recall Bodet's most recent screenname? I can't remember it (let alone find it) and I'm wondering if he was banned (again) right before the alleged registration freeze.
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...I've got a "tower of me" for Henstridge. Oh yes.
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John Carpenter don't do rapid editing. He's practically slo-mo.
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...can't let mention of her go without giving a shout-out to Species 2, one of the most shamelessly awful and wonderful schlock-fi movies ever. It's everything Slither wanted to be and failed at.
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...with Luke Wilson. Now, I'm all for ladies with short hair. But the creators of that film saw fit to give Natasha a hairstyle that can only be described as an Aryan Helmet.
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Nov 18, 2008 11:58:59 AM CST
"Ghosts of Mars" might have turned out differently
by the reluctant austinite
if Carpenter were allowed to make the movie he wanted. Originally, he cast Jason Statham as Desolation Williams, but Statham wasn't a star yet so the studio FORCED him to cast Ice Cube. Carpenter went over Ice Cube's house to meet with him only to have to first have a 15 minute "session" with his handlers telling him how he should address the rapper. Never call him Ice or Ice Cube or Mr. Cube; only refer to him as Cube. Then Courtney Love was supposed to play the lead, but dropped out one week prior to shooting and had to be replaced by Natasha Henstridge at the last minute. Who knows how that might have worked or not worked. Massive studio tinkering followed. I still believe, if Carpenter were allowed a badass anti-hero to play Desolation Williams instead of "Cube," the results might have been better.
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what they are. There's a species 3 apparently. Bet that one's great as well. I maintain that the first one isn't schlock and is actually a good film. About an Alien fuckmonster.
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He's made that movie. It's called Assault on Precinct 13 and rocks.
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I don't care what the genre is, just let the man make a damn movie! And please studio people, don't fuck with him. Kurt Russell and Carpenter teaming up again on something original would be awesome.
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I have a vague recollection, but doesn't that have a flashback in a flashback, within a flashback? The tequila and confusion kicked in at that point...Oh, and don't use Marilyn Manson as your villian model...
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Don't hate, but I've never gotten around to seeing The Thing. I don't know why. I want to see it, I just haven't yet.
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I saw an old cinema print at an art cinema the other day. That film works better than any current horror film, even in an uninspiring print. Carpenter is due a comeback, he's a Helluva director.
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Since he's the one thing that all of Carpenter's really good films (Halloween, The Fog, Escape From New York, The Thing, Big Trouble in little China) have in common.
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He may look like he's pushing 85, but at least he doesn't have the huge George Lucas neck.
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ruining Carpenter's career. He's the black hole of the entertainment world. How many people have basically never been popular again after working with him? There's too many to county. I don't think Carpenter's career has been the same after Memoirs of an Invisible Man.
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...just pity! You really owe it to yourself to see it.
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I would rather not spend the rest of the winter TIED TO THIS FUCKING COUCH!
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"Hey, FUCK YOU, PALMER!!"
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I probably masturbated 26,000 times to that flick growing up. Good times. Henstridge was da bomb in Species, yo.
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THIS MOVIE DOESN'T HAVE ALICE COOPER STABBING SOMEONE WITH A BIKE THEN COUNT ME OUT
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A world where John Carpenter knocked out a movie every couple of years would indeed be a brighter place. Give him a low-mid budget and a decent cast and watch the magic fly. What's shocking is the huge amount of horror/sci-fi films being made by hacks and turning over a decent profit, the majority of the being remakes or bland asian rehashes. You have one of the greatest genre directors wanting to work and no interest. Why hasn't Sam Raimi's horror company signed him up or Lionsgate or New LIne, the man even has his own original ideas to film. And when he starts to make films again perhaps he can coax Rob Bottin out of selling timeshares or whatever the fuck he is doing now. Maybe he just needs a new producing partner or something. I'm a fan so I'm biased, but the man made at least five of my all time favourite films, and some of them even made money lol :)
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when El Capitan would get a chance to use his pop gun."
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GrandMuffTarkin just got in there with one of the best lines in THE THING. Now THAT is how you deliver a fucking line!
Seriously, THE THING is a stone cold, one for the ages, undeniable CLASSIC. Go and buy it RIGHT NOW and skullfuck your own eyes in ways James Cameron's AVATAR can only DREEEEEEAM OF!!!
THE THING is required viewing. I envy you your first look at that movie, 'cos they REALLY don't make them like that any more... -
... anybody, there's nothin' wrong with me and if there was I'm all better now. I would like to come back inside..."I could do this all day with 'The Thing' so I'll shut up now.
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"Trust's a hard thing to come by these days. Tell you what -- why don't you put your trust in the Lord?"
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A stone-cold classic. The original Hawks version is good too, ableit a little cheesy.
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"I would rather not spend spend the rest of this winter TIED TO THIS FUCKING COUCH!!!!!!!!"
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that movie would have been perfect for him - and fuck knows he couldn't have done any worse than Tony Scott, that's fo DAMN SURE!
the gangster flick sounds ok, the prison flick - not so much...
btw Skimm - you left out Friedkin! How could you leave out Billy Friedkin! Now THERE'S one for the where-are-they-now files...
Oh yeah...
"You, you're ok, but this one - REAL FUCKIN UGLY!" -
I'm broke, and don't have a netflix acount, or rent DVDs. My library has a good selection, so I borrow from there. I know I'm being cheap, and I need to see it. All of you out there need to see Equillibrium if you haven't
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...so come on... Why should this be any different!
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You're saying that based on what? the scores of good reviews? The Academy Awards, the film itself. It's pretty much recognized as one of the great modern Westerns. Your subjective opinion that it's over-rated is just that YOUR opinion.
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this TB was higher up the Talkback chart. During a certain stage of my life, Carpenter's output was essential. Assault On Precinct 13 - Halloween - The Fog - Escape From New York - The Thing... He couldn't miss at one point.Christine is underrated, I think, as is They Live and Prince Of Darkness. Dropped in between those, the tremendous Big Trouble In Little China.I still think he's got a corking movie left in him somewhere. If a studio took a chance and gave him a decent budget, I'd warily embrace a Thing 2.Also, although this TB appears to be done and dusted already, I'd just like to say I'm honoured being on the same TB as the mighty triumvirate of Lost Jarv, DocPazuzu & Mr. Nice Gaius whose wholesale slaughter of AvP apologists several months ago filled my heart with pride. I thank yow. Again.
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Glad to see the Carp love. I love almsot all of his shit, but I drew the line at those piss awful episodes of "Masters of Horror." Totally beneath him, the writers should be shot. So pedestrian.
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Watch "The Thing" otherwise, shut your mouth or I'll fuck it.
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When I look at my DVD shelves there is only one section in which I have filed the films according to their director (the rest are filed alphabetically for easy access - which proves that I need to get a life). :-( Anyway, that director is John Carpenter. I have enjoyed every one of his films (yes, some more than others), and the man can truly be called an auteur. He can write, direct, and even score his own movies. How many other directors can make that claim? I mean, seriously... the man gave us Michael Myers, Jack Burton and Snake Plissken. How much cooler can you get?
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Considering it's time of release, no way I say!
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I can only think of Robert Rodriguez as being as "all-in-one", even moreso. But I think even Robert wishes he could be Carpenter.
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No need to get a life; sounds like you've got one.
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The Thing From Another World ain't cheesy!Solid Sf. Fast shooting dialogue, typical Hawks. Check out the Carpenter commentary on the recent DVD release.
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That shot of Stevie Wayne's car coming toward us. The camera does a leisurely 180 pan across the bay - and back to Stevie's car, now heading away from us. Simple but effective. Gives a real sense of place.Also, walking down the steps to the lighthouse while the radio ads are playing on the soundtrack. Just the sense of isolation - and impending danger.Quality.
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