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Do we have a four minute long AVATAR trailer coming soon?
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. We got some word from a spy calling him/her/itself SuperBlade that there are pics online of a stack of boxed Avatar trailers, with a runtime of 3 mins 57 seconds. But don't take SuperBlade's word for it, check it out below:
Holy shit! Four minutes of Avatar! I wonder what the trailer is... If it's on film, it's not going to be 3-D, right? So, the question is how much of that 4 minutes is footage and how much of it is James Cameron... maybe a behind the scenes type thing, with Cameron explaining the technology and the story all Hitchcock style? Or maybe it really is 4 minutes of finished AVATAR footage. Could we be so lucky?
SuperBlade speculated that this was actually for the upcoming Singapore 3-D expo where Cameron is going to be a guest of honor, but I would imagine if that's the case those would be harddrives with Real D 3-D files, not boxes of film. And typically a film box labeled Teaser A isn't a special one-off.
Harry has alerted me that he has an inquiry into Cameron himself, so look out for a confirmation or denial from the Big C... wait, that's not a good nickname, is it? Either way, we'll update you if we hear any word from Mr. Cameron. If anybody else out there has any info on this pic or the Avatar teasers, please drop a line to either me personally or all the editors.
So what do you think? Fake? If not, when will we get to see this baby? THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL? Your thoughts?
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First!
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Looking forward to this one. Woot for an actual glimpse, if true.
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my first first...I popped my cherry!
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Damnit! I was so close!
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gamers out there, remember when half life 2 and doom 3 where about to come out and pictures of the box and discs started to come out, amazingly well photoshopped? this seems to be the same
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Good thing I didn't say "FIRST" as was my...um...INITIAL (I could have dropped the "F" word there) impulse.
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come on cameron. i don't give a shit. 20 seconds of footage. 10. A PICTURE. ONE STILL.
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I can't wait to see some of this Cameron product.
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The hype will eat it alive. There is no such thing as impressive computer animation anymore. We've seen it all. Since Jurassic Park its just been down hill.
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Even his shit movies are AMAZING movies. Always cashed up and he uses every cent to make a point.
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that was a behind the scenes type thing showing the tank and the monumental task of filming the movie. I hope this is the same thing, showing the process of making the 3d movie. Even if it is a fake, which i don't think it is, doesn't change the fact that i still can't wait to see this film. I agree with kgerm, even one picture would please me at this point.
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Somebody had to say it.
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Nov 16, 2008 10:12:45 PM CST
So afraid this movie will be too overhyped, it will dissapoint.
by se7en
Yes I know it's Cameron. But he is human.
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I don't want 1) eyeball babies or 2) eyeball std's.
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Nov 16, 2008 10:31:03 PM CST
who cares when AVATAR will be fucking our eyeballs in 2009
by second cousin of phartegod
where the fuck is MotokoKusanagi?
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A post containing the link to the set of three photos on a photo hosting site was found on IMDb.com message board at Avatar. Looks like it got deleted by an admin. MarketSaw had highlighted this on its blog http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2008/11/avatar-teaser-material-coming-soon-pics.html
If you wanna see what Avatar 3-D CG *might* look like, check out AMD Cinema 2.0 demonstration at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnihU4zCXe8 (Part 1) and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5yVjHaJ0PI (Part 2) using stacks of graphic accelerator cards to render every tiny pixel of a photorealistic human figure. Looks cool, though James Cameron's version could be astoundingly life-like in leaps of petaflop for every pixel as advanced computer graphic technology allows by next summer. Render 'em one by one frame in the large warehouse packed with monolith towers of rendering bots, baby! -
Nov 16, 2008 10:32:53 PM CST
Cameron Is Not Going To Show Avatar Footage This Soon!!!
by media messiah
Look for footage of Avatar this summer or in the fall or winter of next year!!! BTW, I'd like to speak to James Cameron about an observation I made in regard to theatre projection. I think it is very interesting and could prove amazing.
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i just dont understand the hard core love and hard on this movie has gathered. there hasnt been any single type of footage shown at all and yet some think "this will be awesome and fuck your eyeballs" ? what are they basing this on? because of the director? i mean maybe its because i'm not a so called movie geek but until footage is shown, i just dont get how anyone can have any opinion, good or bad. now if there was a bunch of art or even stills released then okay but all i've seen is one picture from a crew tshirt that may or may not be a character from the movie. maybe i'm just a minority in that i dont care who's involved with a movie. i just care whether or not the trailers interest me in seeing it, whether its james cameron or uwe boll. i can understand the excitment if you're a cameron fan because he hasnt made an actual movies in 12yrs but to already have a pre-conceived notion based on nothing but who wrote and directed it? damn. now cue those who cant stand people having a differing opinion and will start to whine. :)
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AVATAR will be a leap in SFX on the same level as KING KONG, STAR WARS, and JURASSIC PARK. I don't care how cynical you are, it doesn't matter how much it is hyped, people will remember what theater they were in and who they were with when they first saw AVATAR.
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considering a large majority of world population isn't even aware of it... not ALL follow sites like AICN, tracking their fav directors, projects etc. JC been away more than a decade, as far as general population is concerned [who may not have heard of Aliens From The Deep]. So, this would be PERFECT time to remind them that there is a guy called James Cameroon and he is coming back. He's coming off Titanic, the biggest movie ever... he deserves the biggest hype, EVER.
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you're right. you're not a movie geek. i'd even say you have no clue about movies. at all. if you do, you will not NEVER put cameron and uwe boll in the same sentence. that's just blasphemy.
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dont show a frame of this film before it's released. no trailer no promo shots nothing. i dont even want to know how the actors will look like in the film. just release the whole thing fresh for our eyes on the big screen!
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This is the man who directed Aliens, Terminator 1 and 2, and the biggest movie of all time, and this is his first movie in 12 years, after spending the whole time developing new technology that has guys like Steven Spielberg and George Lucas freaking out. And on top of that, it is an entirely new creation that is not a remake, a sequel, a comic book or television adaptation, or a re-imagining of a classic story. I would buy a $16 ticket to any movie playing, just to see a trailer for this thing in 3-D imax.
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I don't my in a physical sense (though MAYBE you are) I mean your whole jump on a board and rant endlessly about how much something is gonna suck. Take a class.
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When Avatar will be fucking your eyeballs in 2009!!!
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Is out this week so I don't have enough brains for them to be blown out twice.
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...Jon Favreau reportedly saw not too long ago. I hope we get to see a bit of finished footage so that we can get an idea of what Big Jimmy C. has been talking about.
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Sorry, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree on this one.
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...I can say I'm not excited. Curious as fuck though. I too find it next to impossible to be wowed by effects. I mean, honestly, what can he pull out of the bag thats going to be able to wow fanboys now? Photorealistic CG? Not impressive...However, a photorealistic, can't tell the fucking difference CG human character...But, well, that wasn't in the script, so I guess it might just be a bunch of cartoon aliens running about. Which isn't exciting enough to get me up and out of bed. But yeah, with this directors pedigree, I'm realllly curious.
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I have NO idea what to expect from this thing. The format has NEVER worked for me before, I just find CG movies lifeless and dull, but if anyone can that it's this man.
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Optic orgasm FTW!!!
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Grammar FTW.
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Ooooo the possibilities!
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There hasn't been a Quantum leap in computing power lately. It's been the same incremental but rapid progression of more and more complex C.G.I. that there has been for many years now.
Avatar's U.S.P. is it's 3D. Sorry but anyone who thinks there is going to be a completely 100% photorealistic Alien World is probably going to be disappointed.
What they WILL likely see is a C.G. (no doubt extremely well done but not revolutionary) Alien World in 3D and THAT is the difference. The 3D not the effects themselves. I've seen enough of Avatar design concepts to realise he's got some nice bioluminescent Aliens but he had some nice Bioluminescent Aliens in the Abyss.
Cameron had best dial the hype DOWN or have a mindblowing trailer.
Because if Avatar is merely a showcase for New (but welcome) 3D technology then it's in trouble. It needs to be FIRST and FOREMOST a fucking amazing Movie. Until I see otherwise a tech demo simply isn't enough. -
No, the hype hasn't even started. Oh sure, there might be some rumblings happening on sites like this but the real MSM/public hype has yet to commence.Just watch and wait.
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... and point out to Cloudrider that his/her quote "if you do, you will not NEVER put cameron and uwe boll in the same sentence" is a double negative. Therefore, all sentences MUST Have James Cameron and Uwe Boll in the same sentence to prove one's fandom. Already I have failed to reveal my love of movies, because none of my sentences in this dumb-ass missive have had both names. [I know it was just a typo, cloudie, but I thought it was a hilarious one. Imagine what life on the talkbacks would be like if every sentence had to have Cameron's and Boll's names in it. What would MCXLVII (or whatever) do? "Damn Boll you, Cameron Micheal Bay!"]
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who the F*CK cares about the CG???!?
george lucas and spielberg have the latest most updated sfx technology at their disposals whenever they want to make a film, and what do we have??? jar jar and vine swinging shia.
it's NOT how cool the sfx tech will be, it's about WHO the man behind the wheel guiding the tech is.
semi truck jumping off the road and onto the water duct, ripley in loader calling the queen "bitch", one bullet shatters t1000 into million pieces, arnold standing still from night to daylight, arnold trying to get his horse off the a 50 story building and onto a pool down below, arnold in harrier jet, heck, arnold in every second of cameron's movies!
this guy is supercool. and i have absolutely no doubt in the 12 years hiatus he has a whooole bag of cool to share with us. dickblood and whiny will be the first to suck cameron's... toe, comes next year. -
good observation. i stand corrected. replace cameron's name in the sentence with 'king of the world', and you'd be fine.
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someone referred to his work as machine tooled precision. Thats a perfect description.
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I can't wait to see the effect Avatar has on Hollywood--I think it will be like the effect Star Wars had in 1977, setting an incredibly high bar that will revolutionize film for decades. Any holy shit I think people will go crazy from awesomeness if we do get 4 minutes of footage soon.
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MarketSaw got them from a reader who found them on IMDB. Find the story here: http://tinyurl.com/68x3us
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For this one, I'm going to have low expectations going in. That way, in theory, it will really be fucking my eyeballs. Yup. Reverse Psychology. Does that make sense ? Ah, Cameron. Please do Superman after this.
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rhcp2sweet out.
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of when Final Fantasy Spirits Within came out. It was supposed to be this revolutionary CGI movie, and while it was very well made, it also had a lot of weaknesses, and was a dud at the box office. It didnt fuck anyone's eyeballs back then, and Avatar wont be doing it in 2009 either. But it might molest your wallet, if the fancy 'new' technology mean extra charge on a ticket.
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since you guys are so smart... have you ever seen a cool scene in cameron's film that was 'borrowed' from other movies? name me one scene from one film.
diehard4 lifted the bridge scene from end of true lies & t-800 bullet barraging t-1000 while he's in driver's seat. ditto the matrix from with the harrier jet and bridge scene(replace lee curtis & arnold with morpheus & neo). the concept of aliens vs marines have been copied to death. avp lifted that 'round smooth cut on steels caused by heatbeam' idea from t800's 1st appearance in t2. and i'm sure some of you notice some other scenes in other films. meanwhile, remind me of one scene cameron has lifted from another movie.
this guy is much imitated and borrow from no one. that is exactly why avatar will f*ck you eyeballs. -
Yeah, that's why we get an ARTICLE about a PHOTO of what MIGHT be a TEASER to a movie that doesn't come out for FOREVER. Riiiiiiight.
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Piranha 2. Aliens.
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you dont get the excitement because it's in 3-D and it has michelle rodriquez in the role?
cool. you must have thought t2 not exciting either then since it has cgi(new tech then) and features linda hamilton. what a bland ugly actress and what a stupid silly new sfx, right? liquid metal robot and the chick from beauty & the beast tv series, come the fuck on!
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but you could probably fuck an eyesocket fairly easily.
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cameron can make any actor cool, especially the women. they're never relegated to window dressing, and are instead always the main driving force. hard, determined, and kick butts harder than the men.
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Away from this kind of Movie for quite some time. And though he has some amazing films in his resume so did Spielberg and Lucas.
And ***SPOILER*** I KNOW the basic plot for Avatar and it isn't radically new I'm afraid. Think Apocalypto with Aliens and you're not too far off. So the plot alone won't make it amazing and the Director won't automatically make it amazing (*cough* Lucas, Spielberg *cough*) and finally the Tech won't automatically make it amazing. The Tech might make it Startling if the 3D is very good but it's not enough by itself.
Cameron HAS to return to Aliens T2 form on this one. The costs have and will be staggering and it needs to be a genuine rock solid incredible Movie that smashes at the Box Office. Not a curiosity amusement park ride. And that's not guaranteed but it IS possible.
I remain hopefull no more than that. But if there is nothing astonishing from the actual Movie on this upcoming trailer, merely a 4 minute "infomercial" on the 3D, then it's not a good sign.
It COULD be amazing but there are no guarantees and the Hype is nothing but blind faith in Cameron and the Technology until we see some of the actual Movie itself to judge how fucked our eyeballs may or may not be.
Because if all we hear for months and months and months is "no footage!" because it can't be appreciated in anything other than 3D then it's pretty fucking clear the Movie is in trouble and can't stand alone without the 3D Tech propping it up. -
up either fucking, marrying then divorcing or just making them cry.
Kubrick lite, but still he's a classy mutha fukr -
Aliens, T2, etc. His shit is tight even over 3 hrs
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@Lord John Whorfin:
you mean just because they're sequels they're automatically a rip-off of their first films? maybe cameron should design the piranha more like a goldfish and the aliens look like an elephant.
@G100:
no guarantee the script you read is the one used to shoot. no guarantee that a script that read bad translate into worse movie(batman begins leaked script is reviewed unfavorably in the net). and lastly, pardon me if i may be so frank since we dont know each other, but i trust cameron's taste in a good script than in yours. ;) and yes, my faiht is blind on this one, but for good reason.
@fisheater:
he f*ck 2 actresses and divorced just one. what's your point? you want to talk about his works or his personal life? are you a movie buff or a tabloid junkie? -
C'mon, show me something! Anything! Blow my mind and I'll blow you!!!
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Did someone up above claim that Avatar won't be visually grounbreaking because some gimmicky Final Fantasy movie from years back wasn't? wtf has that got to do with Avatar? That's an absurd thing to say and a complete misunderstanding of what the content/intent of Avatar is and what its use of CG is going to be. This is no mere tech exercise - all this carping and negativity about 3D being a gimmick (it isn't)and the CG not being photoreal (it will be) is all a load of bollocks and completely besides the point -first and foremost this movie will just simply be great storytelling, with engaging characters, astounding action sequences and a strong story. Just like all Cameron's work. That's what I'm looking forward to - the kind of great, perfectly crafted storytelling that you can just get lost in and that sticks with you long after the tech lustre has faded - the kind that big Jim C does so well, and that his inferior imitators like Michael Bay, et al. can not do (and that guys like Spielberg seem to have lost the knack for). We've been missing that in genre film making for a while (LOTR and The Dark Knight being obvious exceptions). The visual effects and 3D only support the experience, and Cameron has made a point of saying so in interviews. Make no mistake, this movie will play extraordinarily well even in 2D or at home. The groundbreaking tech is just the icing on the cake. As for all this talk of over-hype -who gives a flying fuck? If you allow yourself to be taken in by that sort of thing, or if you let that define your movie going experience, then you only have yourself to blame. A movie will live and die on its own merits, and that is all.
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I like Cameron and I am looking forward to this movie. I can't agree though that Cameron has "never" borrowed from anyone. There's a bit of 2001 in "The Abyss" such as Ed Harris's face during his descent- similar to Bowman's. I am not saying it's a cheap ripoff like other filmmakers but I just saying he is obviously influenced.
I am looking forward to Avatar because it sounds like an Ursula K. Le Guin novel and the 3D will I think help immerse you in the story similar to the journey of Sam Worthington's character Jake. -
your last sentence. over-hype, under-hype... who gives a shit! it's a new james cameron movie in 12 years. you want to get in line, get in line it's for that reason.
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cloudrider I know you weren't talking to me. I snuck in there.
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I want this to be completely bareback...with fluids mixing and everywhere!!!
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sorry about that. it was in reply to TurdontheRun's post. i agree about the reflection on ed harris's helmet. missed that one. :)
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Try again. I said it wasn't radically NEW. What I read could be excellent IF handled correctly but it could just as easily tip over into a predictable morality tale so it's a story that NEEDS a Director at the top of his game to do so.
And you'll pardon me but I saw what happened to Lucas and Spielberg lately despite some of the greatest back catalogue in Movies and it WASN'T pretty. So I won't be quite so certain Cameron will automatically make another Aliens until I see far more proof.
My point about the 3D Tech is that, by itself, it isn't enough. Not that it's necessarily a gimmick. (after all the 3D could work be astounding and Avatar could still be a Mediocre Movie.)
This HAS to be all about the story and Movie first. The Tech MUST be a servant NOT the master. Pixar's managed to do that pretty well so it's not impossible.
And until I see images then all this talk of photoreal C.G. has been heard for fucking years and remains talk. We aren't talking about a few Dinosaurs or creatures placed into real world footage, we're talking about an ENTIRE WORLD in C.G. and an Alien World at that. Talk is cheap but if the trailer has proof I'll begin to believe some of this ferocious Hype. -
Images stolen from: http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2008/11/avatar-teaser-material-coming-soon-pics.html
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What's this about the plot not being radical enough? I suppose it isn't if you look at things in such superficial terms, because most plots, unless they're some bizarre charlie kaufmann-esque thing, aren't. most genre film are 'derivative' and cannibalise or are reminiscent of many sources - at least on the surface. you could say the abyss is just the day the earth stood still crossed with close encounters underwater, that terminator is just an old outer limits episode, aliens use parts of starship troopers (the novel)/the forever war, and that strange days (which cameron wrote) is just michael powell's peeping tom with a futuristic slant. moving away from cameron, the matrix is derivative of ghost in the shell, and raiders of the lost ark is just Bond crossed with 30's serials. But this tells you nothing about the movies themselves -its all about execution and the specifics of what the director/writer puts into it - how all the themes/ story elements come together. and Avatar is topical, superbly executed, and consistent with Cameron's past works in these regards. I'm going to stick my neck out and say that it will be his best movie ever - it certainly has the potential to be. I have no reservations about this film whatsoever - he has never dropped the ball in my eyes, and with so much riding on his 'comeback', I don't think he's going to start now. Unlike Spielberg, who coasts on his talents unless really engaged or with something to prove, Cameron seems to have a perpetually hungry personality. He is constantly driven to push the boundaries. I think he will step up even his outstanding form a level with Avatar.
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what plot is "radically new" in any cameron's movie? a killer robot from the future? a spy who lies? men vs aliens?
the details is more important than plot. more importantly this guy knows story structure. whether you like the plot of his weaker films or not, the structure is always tight. this is not something you can always say about spielberg's and lucas's films. the story is what i bank the most for in avatar. sure, they can leak you images, phot-real CG, but without context, wihtout seeing it in motion on the big screen, what's the point? anything look like ass in youtube size screen. -
I thought True Lies was somewhat enjoyable if unremarkable spy hokum and Titanic unbelievably overrated melodrama dressed up as spectacle. But that's my opinion, I'm entitled to it, and even saying that much Cameron STILL has a superb track record with Terminator, T2 and Aliens. The Abyss I really liked but it ain't up there with those three.
I already made the point that the Story is one that is heavily dependent on the Director's skill for it's success or failure.
Though If you really think Cameron can do no wrong then there is not much point engaging further as by that definition no matter what anyone else may think of Avatar if you maintain a "Cameron can do no wrong" view then Avatar by that very definition will be another of Cameron's triumphs in your eyes regardless of how it is seen objectively by the rest of the world.
I'll wait till I see proof or something approaching proof. Proof not Hype. Not talk. Not past glories.
And far from being hostile to the idea I think it's about fucking time someone had the balls to do a REAL Alien planet Movie so no-one will be happier than me if he succeeds.
But! I repeat, BUT fdor those who do not think Cameron incapable of error it's NOT a certainty that Cameron is an unstoppable force of Cinema anymore than Lucas was after SW.
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you answer me with "a complete misunderstanding of what the content/intent of Avatar is and what its use of CG is going to be. This is no mere tech exercise - all this carping and negativity about 3D being a gimmick (it isn't)and the CG not being photoreal (it will be) is all a load of bollocks and completely besides the point -first and foremost this movie will just simply be great storytelling, with engaging characters, astounding action sequences and a strong story. Just like all Cameron's work"to which you later add "and Avatar is topical, superbly executed, and consistent with Cameron's past works in these regards"
such a response means you've either seen Avatar to be able to give me such bold statements, or you're just blindly kissing Cameron's ass without really knowing anything about Avatar.
I know the man's resume. It is filled with some great movies, a few overrated ones, and a giant overblown piece of shit by the name of Titanic. But I did like the Dark Angel series that he kinda came up with and let others turn into an enjoyable but ultimately silly show.
I'm not saying Avatar wont be a great, groundbreaking movie. I hope it is. But it could also fail. What I'm saying we've heard many times before about how amazing something will be, only to have it be a huge letdown. -
The fact alone that this isn't a remake, sequel, prequel, re-imaging, adaptation, interpretation, or even companion piece but an honest to god Original Concept is enough to have me in the line. It's been so long I was starting to worry there will be no such things as movies in 2025. So if it's actually GOOD then my money was well spent. Anything beyond that from Great to Fucking My Eyeballs will just be icing on the cake.
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You got me there. Because I used the word rip-off. Oh, wait, no I didn't.
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First of all, I would say I know everything about Avatar that its possible to know without being part of the production, the industry, or James Cameron himself - ie. I've read the treatment from 1995(as I'm sure some others have), seen every article or interview with Cameron that he's done so far, or even read anything tangentially related to the technology being used. I'm also well acquainted with anything he's done in the past and the type of filmmaker/ personality he is. I know in a fair amount of detail what the film is about and what its intentions are (I am unclear if everybody else does or they just know its a sci fi movie in 3D, some vague plot, and little more). So, of course, its just my opinion, but grounded in fact, and based on my personal feelings towards his work. no, I am not kissing his ass, but if I'll be honest, he has never let me down - and that includes Titanic, which I guarantee the main reason it gets trashed here, and of course this doesn't necessarily go for everyone, is simply because its a period film, with romance/melodrama aspects, and not a genre film. you know damn well that's sometimes the depth of thinking/ critical analysis on this site. but that is merely subjective. The point is, Cameron isn't someone who just churns them out, such as Spielberg. He puts everything he has into his films, and since I rate all his past works quite highly, and barring a huge dip in form or extreme rustiness from his long absence behind the camera, this sort of suggest by definition that Avatar will be at worst damn good and at best, revelatory. I reckon all of his small output has been fairly consistent - there have been no significant dips or troughs IMO unlike people such as, for example, Spielberg or Ridley Scott(which of course doesn't mean that he has some films that aren't better than others). so no, he is not beyond reproach, incapable of error (obviously his movie have flaws the same as everybody else), or his films blindly accepted by me, but I just can not see this going tits up, particularly when the story is as solid as any of his others and the time and work invested lengthy and painstaking.
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Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio during the making of The Abyss? The mind does wonder.
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Nov 17, 2008 3:20:57 AM CST
Are four minutes time enough for our eyeballs to be raped?
by ricarleite
If it is, I rather not watch it. I really don't know what will result out of this media extragaganza James Cameron is doing, and it will be a hit based on his name only. But I really have a bad feeling about this one.
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Unbeliveable. Reality check everyone: it will be more like Polar Express meets Speed Racer. I am not even fucking kidding.
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... when AVATAR is going to be fucking our eyeballs in... well... soon!
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It becomes such a popular term the guy should get a no-prize. Really, please let your name be recognized in this dignified forum that is the AICN talkbalk.
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but James Cameroon, who first and foremost is a writer director who has great stories to tell and knows how to tell great stories in a way that makes them awesome stories.
Remember Phantom Menance? Hype wasn't the new technology to make realistic and highly lush detailed worlds, but the the Saga it was suppsoed to tell. Only time wil ltell if JC does a Lucas, but then, Lucas been resting on his SW laurels while James has done original one offs like True Lies and Titanic.
And ricalite... Avatar may not be new Star Wars... but know what, new Star Wars *sucked* big time. How many kids of today are into Star Wars like the ones who were when originals came out?
More than anything else.. as many pointed out, how many original non-sequel, non-comic or TV or book based movies are you looking forward to? Original Oscar baits are also hard to come by, most are adaptations nowadays. Am hyped to see an original creative work, technology... they won't even have an I-max where I'll see it, so won't matter to me. -
This hype is ridicuous. I'll give Cameron Aliens and T2, but he's overrated - True Lies was enjoyable but far from perfect, Titanic was an overblown piece of shit with dodgy acting, stupid story and mediocre effects (yet undeniably the best part of the movie). You guys spoofing all over your keyboard in anticipation are pathetic - have you learned nothing from Phantom Menace, or King Kong? I'll wait to actually SEE something tangible before I blow my load, thanks.
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are much better than gladiator, indiana jones4, the matrix sequels, 3 new star wars films. those films were made later and by just as big a name as cameron's.
i'm not saying he can't do no wrong, just that so far... he has not. even his weaker films are head and shoulder stronger than other big name directors' recent outings. that alone gives me reason to believe.
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Cameron's given so much to the genre, that any movie he makes would be an event and that's before he throws a brand new type of visual medium into the mix. Titanic and True Lies are the weakest entries on his CV (that's including "Pirahnas 2") and you know you'll still be glued to them if you find them on TV. There's only 3 things for sure about AVATAR: 1) The production design alone will be worth your $10 2) It will be about ½hour too long 3) The inevitable director's cut 4 disc blu-ray will be awesome. That is all.
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Damn You Michael Bay
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can't wait for glorious HD quicktime Trek goodness.
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Hope it's released soon
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IMB has it listed as being 18 December 2009. Is this right?? I thought it was going to be the summer.
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Which turned out to be 18 months early! Why not this.
BTW, I am the guy who sent this in (SuperBlade), I didn't take it or anything - there was just some random guy on IMDb who posted it, so I pointed them in the right direction. So it could be fake, who knows? Looks pretty real to me though. -
I personally thought the 10 bucks I paid for watching the Final Fantasy movie at the theater was the best spent money ever. I left the cinema on a high, hoping more chapters would be made about A. Ross and the fellas. The problem with that movie was, the target crowd for that are guys that never go to the movies, but download and rip them. It probably did well on DVD though, but that really was a movie best seen on a big screen with a great sound-system.
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Nov 17, 2008 6:48:48 AM CST
The reason why everyones in love with Cameron....
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
is because he's a fucking genius who's films deliver EVERY time. True Lies and Titanic are "weak" in comparison to Terminator, T2, Aliens or The Abyss. 99% of the talentless shitheads that call themselves "directors" would gladly hand over their left nut to have one of their "weak" films also be the highest grossing film of all time. You may not like it, but a billion box office bucks worth of other people did. He's spent a decade developing technology for this film. It is the first film since Fight Club that I am REALLY fucking excited to see. Avatar... Fucking your eyeballs... December 2009.
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Nov 17, 2008 6:59:15 AM CST
Ice Age 3, Matrix: Reloaded, The Simpsons Movie, and Star Trek..
by rindain
...all had trailers about 18 months before release. Ice Age 3 and TSM are Fox movies, and TSM trailer was a big surprise for everyone (Fox did a great job keeping it a secret...) Trailer in front of Australia perhaps?
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anybody who posits that Titanic had 'mediocre effects' is a douche.
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Please save us from Brett Ratner, McG, Michael Bay, Len Wiseman, Stephen Sommers, Kurtzman & Orci and all the other morons who have somehow, maddeningly got control of blockbuster filmmaking.
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Probably the last action film I saw where the action sequences actually excited me. Go watch the limo going off the end of the bridge. Wow.
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I actually have the feeling you would swallow Stephen Sommers'and Uwe Boll's liquids with just as much happiness and sheer delight correct ? And hey Mr. Bauer, the SFX in Titanic are indeed so-so in places, which always suprised me as that movie wasn't a SCI-FI channel movie of the week one was it ?
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main weapon in his formidable arsenal of cinematic weaponry is STORY. He knows how to craft an exciting story and tell it on screen in a visually amazing manner. It doesn't hurt that he's a visual effects expert too. Put them together and you have the only genre filmmaker going who has VISION - that precious commodity that creates great films.
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I hope you're right.
I really do.
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... was released early september 2002, six months before. Unless you mean Revolutions, which was shot on the same time, but hold for eight months - but the trailer was specificly made for Reloaded, and EVEN then, it would be 14 months. So please explain why you said the Matrix Reloaded trailer was seen 18 months prior the film.
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You're also the guy who holds Cameron's Aliens to be the worst film in the series. Honestly, anything you might have to say about a James Cameron movie -- even after seeing it -- is highly dubious. In fact, if you end up saying you hate it, most people here would see that as confirmation that it TOTALLY FUCKING ROCKS.
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That bit with the limo is amazing. Endlessly rewatchable. In fact, the whole bridge sequence is.
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There was a very short teaser before that...it may have been "only" a year early, instead of 18 months. It had exerpts from Morpheus' "this night holds for each any everyone one of us..." speech, along with a few other clips, including one of a car turning over in mid-air from the freeway chase. I'll see if I can find an article with the exact date...
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"This is a Bright Boy alert!" You're not wrong. The whole bridge sequence is a masterclass in action filmmaking. Abrams tried to top it in MI3 and failed miserably.
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Release date of first Matrix: Reloaded teaser was May 16, 2002...
http://tinyurl.com/59p3zf
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Anyone sad enough to fake this deserves to be fucked by nothing but their own under-nourished / overfed fucking hand from now on til the end of their miserable, aimless lives if someone faked THIS.
Who the fuck CARES ENOUGH TO DO THAT?
Can't wait for AVATAR. It will rock... despite having the worst studio in the world for sci-fi behind it. I saw that Fox logo and thought:
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Nov 17, 2008 7:43:59 AM CST
...and that trailer was for both sequels...Reloaded and Revoluti
by rindain
Anyway, I think there's a VERY good chance we will see an AVATAR teaser before 2009.
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. . . but tell me we wouldn't be 100 times more pumped if we were instead anticipating Cameron's Terminator 3 FINALLY arriving. We'd be talking about fucking glowing red cybernetic eyeballs.
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Nov 17, 2008 7:49:48 AM CST
The best thing about True Lies...
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
is that it was an action comedy that was actually funny.
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My roommate is convinced that Jamie Lee Curtis was born a man... I just thought I'd share.
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Are top quality entertainment, not a big fan of True Lies or Titanic, however colour me excited about Avatar...it has been what 11 years since Titanic, and old Jimbo has been focusing on documentaries so I am keen to see his return to movie celluloid...please I hope it is good!
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FOX will put it in front of some shitty movie to try and trick us out of our money... my best bet is on Dragonball... that's the reason they keep delaying that, not for any reshoots, but until James Cameron finishes up the trailer. So just as soon after our eyeballs have been fucked, we'll be fucked in a totally different bad kind of way by the awful DBINO...
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Does anyone ever think you were born a man?
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Please don't infect this talkback with that ADD shit.
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This has nothing to do with my personal taste. I'm pointing that there is no fucking way in hell this film with revolutionize much in computer effects. Maybe the technology itself will be groundbreaking-- but we have pretty much seen all there is to see.
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It's still 2.5 hours away.
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I don't know why people on here are so hard on Michelle Rodriguez. She is easily the greatest female action star of the last decade and she had the best character on Lost. She's what's going to make this movie!
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Man, you were completely missing the point from my post, as really only a none too bright American could. I wasn't comparing Mr. Boll or S. Sommers movies with Mr. Cameron's output at all. But to me anyone who posts on A.I.C.N (or wherever else) that because he likes a movie from a movie director so much that he wouldn't mind sucking his dick and swallow his cum, well, to me that reads as a love-ode to sperm and dicks in general, so I threw Boll and Sommers in the mix, as after all, this is A.I.C.N. you posted that wild fantasy of yours in. Anyhoo, maybe uncle Harry can get you in contact with James and set up that special meeting for you. If Cameron refuses because you're not his type, try Joel Schumacher, he loves 14 year old kids and certainly won't say no to your offer.
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Lord John Whorfin - Take a moment and think about where you're posting and how this "article about a photo" doesn't apply yet to the world at large. Dummy.
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...by people like us who actually know about it. The vast majority of people who go to movies have no clue about this film being made and what Cameron is trying to do.
Actually neither do many of the posters here who seem to think it is going to be another CG movie. This is going to seamlessly blend and combine a few different technologies in order to create something new...not to mention the augmentaion of the very theatres we see it in.
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If the technology is groundbreaking and we've got a director who knows exactly what he wants to do with it (and he usually gets his way), how do you know we won't see something we haven't seen before?Sounds like folks are concentrating too much on what may or may not be the quality of the CGI versus what Cameron intends to do with it. Given the guy's penchant for huge set pieces and so forth, I'm willing to bet we'll see something surprising.
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...how people have already decided this is an amazing film. I've never seen such bullshit hype before in my life. Even with Phantom Menace there was not nearly as much certainty. People were saying they HOPE its as good as the originals. Here people don't even have to see a frame of footage, they are just absolute this is genius work. That is fucking stupid in my opinion.
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The only way I'd ever swallow sperm is if it was my own, and a female wanted to snow ball my ass.
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Well, I certainly haven't already decided that AVATAR is an amazing film. However, I am interested in seeing what it is that Cameron has planned. Considering everything we've read on what he intends to do with the technology, I would think that most folks would want to catch a glimpse of what he's been up to. I think the "hype" is as simple as that.
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The reason why people only had "hope" that Phantom Menace would be as good as the originals is because they didn't have confidence in Lucas. Cameron has earned more faith and good will towards his films than Lucas did. Plus Cameron isn't plundering the past. So that, and the fact other filmmakers are stating Avatar will be groundbreaking all lead me to believe that Avatar will be genius. But you are correct in that we won't know until we see it. The problem is, we STILL have to wait 13 months to find out!
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This is the only movie (except for The Road) that I give a shit about in 2009. The Watchmen will be decent, but probably ruined by the totally changed ending that won't make any sense in relation to the comic. This is a fucking James Cameron movie we're talking about here! At the very least it will be a good blockbuster. And that's at the least. So we're in for some fun definitely.
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Can I just say though, that when people bang on about Cameron only making "original" films they IS WRONG. "Battle Beyond the Stars" REMAKE. "Pirahna 2" SEQUEL. "The Terminator" STORY RIPPED OFF HARLAN ELLISON AND HE HAD TO ADMIT IT. "Rambo: Firsr Blood II" SEQUEL. "Aliens" SEQUEL. "The Abyss" OKAY. YOU GOT ME. "T2" SEQUEL. "True Lies" REMAKE. "Titanic" REMAKE. That is all.
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T.M.I.
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Alien/s: The two films are nothing alike. T2: was a sequel to his own film. True Lies: was a french film from which he took inspiration. Titanic: A "remake" of an actual event. So Apollo 13 is a remake? You failed to mention Strange Days, which had one of the most original concepts of the 90's. But ultimately, his films "feel" original, even if the concept is not. Because he's a great storyteller and creates interesting characters.
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so that by the time it is released it will be impossible for it to live up to what you have built it up to be. Then you can rip it apart from every detail.
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You've also gone on record saying you think Phantom Menace is better than A New Hope.
Nobody's said that this film is guaranteed to be great, but considering the pedigree and things being promised, NOT having good expectations would be strange and not a little joyless.
Oh, and personal taste has TONS to do with it. If you think Aliens sucks, then there is no fucking way Cameron's going to satisfy you. -
some dude called kubrick said everything there is in movies has been done before. discount cameron's story ideas all you want, but he makes them his own every single time. and that's the difference between a genuine artist and a wannabe.
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i love how you clueless nutcases are dissing on this film. just because it's considered "weaker" to his other films doesnt make it a weak film. the film proves that cameron is funnier than the farrelys, apatow, stiller and sandler combined. has arnold ever been funnier and cooler at the same time? did you see the horse sequence? the harrier jet sequence? the bridge sequence? the first matrix, mission impossible 3, die hard 4, these movies have sequences lifted straight from true lies. you think a "weak" film can be that much imitated?
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Thanks for continuing to prove my point that you are nothing more than an arrogant cunt that thinks his opinion is supreme truth. I've gone on record? Oh fuck off. I'll go on record saying I hope you drop dead because everything that comes out of your mouth is poisonous sludge. I'm pointing out the hype of this movie, and that no CG will ever live up to this degree of hype. Explain to me how the fuck that has anything to do with personal tastes. I didn't say anything about this movie not being good so fuck off with that bullshit and try to your hardest to post one fucking time without putting words in my mouth. I love how you just have to include my opinion that Aliens is shit or TPM is better than ANH, in EVERY FUCKING POST. Pathetic. Grow the fuck up. It does nothing for me. Let me reiterate. I CAN GIVE A FUCK WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF MY OPINIONS ON FILMS. I'm not concerned with that bullshit. This isn't the 3rd grade. Cunt.
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...except for some scenes in A New Hope and most of Empire Strikes Back it's a shit series. Fucking terrible. So overrated too, I admit Lucas did alot for the industry, but there are much better sci-fi filmmakers out there now.
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Damn you Nickelodeon!
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if you dont care what others think then why act like an angry 3rd grader? just because the sw prequels fail to live up to the hype, doesn't mean it's impossible to do so. hype was raised for LOTR2 after the first one was released, and it was met. hype was even bigger for LOTR3 after the the first and second, and again, it was met and exceeded. the same with dark knight and t2 after their initial outings. i'm just saying, any degree of hype CAN be surpassed. be optimist.
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aren't you that dick that was schilling AvP:rectum at around this time last year?
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I will give it credit for not being a remake or a sequel, though
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Star Wars was ground zero for the last 30 years of filmmaking. It was revolutionary.
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I would have ended the third movie when Aragorn says to the hobbits "You Bow to noone" and they all bow down to them, and the awesome theme comes on. Wow, I loved that scene. I would have cued the credits after that. Now that is my favorite trilogy, Star Wars can suck it and so can Kevin Smith, fucking hack.
Oh back to the topic of Avatar, James Cameron sued the studios responsible for The Last Airbender for the name rights to Avatar. So now that shitty M. Night movie won't be mistaken for James Cameron's next hyped epic. -
THIS IS TALKBAAAAACK. For fuck's sake, do some of you still not understand this?
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That's why I said "I admit Lucas did alot for the industry". Still that doesn't excuse how shitty the movie is. Technically the film was brilliant, but the movie itself wasn't that good. Empire Strikes Back was their best. I think it's overall not a good film series, and has too many fanboys. And not to mention it's been milked to death.
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and you're fucking insane if you think that ROTK met the hype. No way, not ever. I think that Avatar stands every chance of being overhyped but still very good. Sort of like TDK was.
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"This isn't the 3rd grade. Cunt." Bwaahahhaaa! Well played, sir.
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cloudrider`, not Cloudrider. i believe my dick is owed an apology.
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Oh, you mean ol' Mr. Nice Gaius. You really put me in my place. Now show me where I said anything about the world at large.
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We'll have to disagree then. Personally I think Star Wars was the best adventure movie since The Adventures of Robin Hood in 1938. Lucas had the genius of applying Eisensteinian montage to pulp cinema. People have been copying him for three decades now.
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someone cloned you to shill that dreadful piece of crap? I believe we're seeing the next stage in plant evolution- a sort of marketing whore triffid. Scary.
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you Really think this will be any good?
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Nov 17, 2008 11:43:14 AM CST
tell that to the academy voters who gave the movie 11 oscars
by cloudrider`
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What, Aliens is off-topic in a Cameron thread? Even after you throw yet another of a long line of trollish idiot bombs like your post? And I wasn't the one who brought up Phantom Menace, you dope.
If you can't stand the heat of TB, then fuck right off. Now, commence telling me to gargle your piss or deliver some other tired, urine-fixated insult. -
The Errol Flynn one? Yeah that was a great film. And if you want to talk about best adventure movie since then, then I would disagree with you and say Raiders was definitely it. Lets leave it at a disagreement though, I hate Star Wars alot, mostly because of the amount of products I see whored out there.
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my nick is hardly original. for what it's worth though, i too thought the 'r' in avp:r stand for 'rectum'.
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or Million Dollar Baby, or ignored Pulp fiction for Gump, or all of Scorcese's best work but honoured the departed or even ignored Fellowship but gave the bloated last one the haul. I can go on with this, but Oscar wins are not necessarily a guide to quality.
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There were 2 operating in tandem- Cloudrider and Lord Skyliss. Both were greener than that big cunt that smashes things and both of them were bushier than a 70's porn star's minge.
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honestly it was pretty good. It wasn't fucking 11 Oscar's great (but they usually make bad judgements anyways). So I don't see where the hate is coming from. It was a decent movie with some insane production values. And if I was old enough I would have picked up crying chicks from the theatre and sympathy boned them after the movie.
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It's understandable that you don't like Star Wars because of the endless merchandising, its gotten totally out of hand since 1997. BTW Raiders came out in 81, 4 years after Star Wars. Raiders is a masterpiece but, remember, it's Lucas' baby too. The best thing I ever read about Raiders was a review from Time when the film originally opened: "Yet so strong is the imagery, so compelling the pace, so sharply defined are the characters, that one leaves the Lost Ark with the feeling that, like the best films of childhood, it will take up permanent residence in memory."
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Man, the notion of Cameron doing SUPERMAN is enough for me to join BlackHole Sun on his suckfest. Period.
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oscars & box office mean shit regarding the quality of a film, i agree. just saying that based on the 11 oscars won, LOTR3 lived up to the hype for a lot of people, me included. of course, i wouldn't have voted for american beauty or gladiator myself, but what do i know?
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Fair enough.
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That teaser was dated september 2002 on my quick research here.
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I just fucking evacuated semen after watching the Star Trek trailer!
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I hope you're joking
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...I have faith in James Cameron. I've said to many a friend he is the ONLY director who puts his film-making money up on the screen. I wish him all the best in bringing this sci-fi classic to the big screen.
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Nov 17, 2008 1:12:18 PM CST
HoboCode, next years christmas present for you is...
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
Avatar fucking your pointy eared, motorbike riding, ribbed headed, talentless jerk-off Abrams, shiny shiny, Tiberius loving eyeballs. Go masturbate on the Star Trek TB, douchebag.
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That's how different this movie will be. You won't be wearing those big black Real D polarized nerd glasses. These will be tight fitting and will cover the sides. This will keep your eyes from popping out of your fucking head and a chin strap to keep your jaw from hitting the floor.
Your senses will feel like they were beast fucked from Cameron's cinematic cock.
I want someone to video tape people walking out of the IMAX 3D version and posting it on line. They're all gonna be basket cases. They will look like zombies. They won't even be able to drive home.
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Sorry but no.
Nobody gets a free fucking ride. Until ANY poster can tell me they have SEEN even a frame of Avatar this is still all just so much amusing hype.
For the record I haven't said it will be shit, mediocre, pretty good or awesome. BECAUSE WE SIMPLY DON'T FUCKING KNOW YET.
I HOPE it will be amazing but I'm not stupid enough to be certain about it without any proof.
"But he's made some great Movies in the past ?" Yeah, SOME. But if you think Titanic was worth 11 Oscars and it's only one or two people who thought it was ludicrously overrated then you truly are well ensconsed in a bubble of Cameron worship. (The Brits actually had a poll which voted it the WORST Movie of all time but what would they know about period drama ?) But what about Aliens ? Yeah, no question one of the truly great science fiction Movies ever made. But take away the Giger design and Stan Winston and what do you have ? Not to mention the fact that it's ALIEN that is the most groundbreaking and gamechanging Moviewise. Which brings me too...
"You just don't understand the Technology or what Cameron intends, this isn't just a C.G. Movie."
Yeah right. Clearly, having reservations means you couldn't possibly grasp that Cameron is trying to introduce a paradigm shift that links into the whole idea of Avatar. To take the viewer of the Movie INto another level of Movie experience by plunging the viewer into the 3D world of the Aliens thus enabling a completely new level of immersion and (tying in with the plot of the Movie) EMPATHY with the Aliens. And having the IMPACT of a New Alien World again truly floor the viewer by this transition into an equally new (you could say "alien") 3D experience for the average Moviegoer.
It's the same paradigm shift that Wizard of Oz went for by switching to color for Oz. The same paradigm shift that some very clever plot twists achieve (6th sense,usual suspects etc.) causing a re-evaluation of all that has gone before. The same paradigm shift that you see in such beautifull little Movies like "The Navigator" when they emerge from 14th century England into the 20th Century (and we are shocked into viewing our current world in a hugely different light) And the same paradigm shift that is achieved in Apocalypto (which is also why I fucking mentioned it) when we see the Conquistadors as something truly startling (like that natives do) after being immersed in a culture that is Historically totally alien to us.
So thanks for the patronizing bullshit, nut no thanks. I know full well what Cameron is TRYING to do and I genuinely admire not only the fact that this is an original Movie but the IDEA behind this Movie and the PURPOSE of the Technology of the 3D.
Problem is it's going to live or die on it's C.G. and design. Yeah, I of course know it isn't a wholly C.G. Movie and I know the radical new way the Movie has been shot to include the human actors and director in a fully immersive 3D C.G. World along with the great pains he seems to be taking to ground the C.G. in "physical" actions and scenes. But there is unquestionably a HUGE amount of C.G. in this Movie.
So that C.G. is going to have to blow people away. It's going to have to be fucking amazong. No two ways about that.
IF (worst case scenario) Avatar ends up looking like a far higher more detailed rendering of Abyss type Aliens with a few Alien plants and trees then it's only the 3D Tech that will be fucking anyones eyeballs briefly NOT the Movie.
BUT if Cameron has truly taken on the task of an ENTIRE Alien World with living breathing Aliens that are more lifelike than anything we have ever seen before AND he pulls it off with a Movie that achieves it's paradigm shift Technically and Emotionally then I'lll be the first to lavish gushing praise on the guy and conider my eyeballs AND mind well and truly fucked.
So again despite ALL the Hype evident her and despite all the Cameron worship, I'll wait till I see PROOF before I get so amusingly excitable about Avatar. Not words. Proof. -
Just wait for the fuckin' movie to come out! WAIT!
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No, fuck you. AVATAR is gonna amazing. It's directed by James Cameron, NOT the director of MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE III and the writer of GONE FISHIN and FOREVER YOUNG - Jeffrey Abrams.
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Nov 17, 2008 2:01:31 PM CST
Yeah, but what else is there to do around here...
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
other than praise or shitcan flicks we haven't seen? Yes, well done, you're correct, no one has seen Avatar. And yes, the CG will be innovative. But, correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't story and character be placed above CG? It's kind of important to the success of a film. As for the british taste in films, its worth SHIT! A recent poll listed The Dark Knight, Return of the King, Sin City and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind in the Top 20 of ALL TIME! And Empire Strikes Back was number 1. They are a fucking joke. And anyone who thinks that Titanic is the worst film of all time, does not have an opinion worth recounting on a TB. That is all.
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Takes one to know one, eh? How about this. If you don't want people calling you a sperm-burping faggot, leave your cocksucking fatasies in your brain. And give the Google gay porn thing a rest. Unless it's deja vu you've posted that shit a couple times before. Its not funny. Its not clever. Its obvious.
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WHY? Because it might suck horse cock. The characters might be blah, that "who gives a shit" feeling. That's not what I'm talking about. I personally think the story will be strong, not fantastic but it's the presentation that's going to make to creme your pants.
I'm confident that the photo realistic performance capture in HD 3D will be like nothing seen before. Even JC said early on that he didn't know how good the movie would be but that you would see some truly mind blowing things on screen.
JC is giving us 2 things and trying to keep cinema from tanking. A new fresh original story, a space epic which are few and between. Sunshine was blah!, Also creating hardware and techniques for filming movies that will pave the way for others. This movie is and will continue to break down doors. This is a serious kick to the sack for home theaters. You will not be able to come close to the IMAX 3D experience at home. I don't care what kind of set up you have. 3D will arrive at home but not for a while and to where it's affordable.
The postings and taglines should read:
Avatar - Fucking your eyeballs in 2009.
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Nov 17, 2008 2:38:58 PM CST
Wo's been saying Avatars story and character will "fuck our eyeb
by g100
That would be another one of my points you see.
Many people are clearly basing a lot of this faith in Avatar in the Technology deployed. My repsponse being the Technology HAS to include mindblowing C.G. if the Technology is truly the gamechanger here. So where is it ?
I've already said (twice I think) the basic plot outline (story) COULD be very good indeed IF handled correctly but it could also topple into a fairly trite "human exploitation" black and white morality tale if Cameron is not carefull.
But lets face it we know far, FAR less about how the characters are portrayed and minutia of the plot than we do about the Technology. Yet some here are making some pretty fucking incredible and certain predictions for Avatar regardless.
I cetainly don't think Titanic is the worst Movie of all time myself, however it's up there as one of the most overrated in my book and that's hardly an unusual opinion either.
I don't mind speculation as I have added some myself along with what seems (to me anyway) to be Camerons aim for all this technology but we REALLY don't know a fucking thing about this yet. One or two concept sketches and a script treatment (that may or may not be accurate) ain't enough for this level of Hype and certaintly and blind faith in my book.
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is that blue alien girl with a tail that looks like a ripoff of Frieza from Dragonball actually really from Avatar? Because if it is then I'm not impressed at all.
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Haha, alright, so I am the closet homo-sexual here. Hey man, I'll tell my wife and boy right away after posting, that's gonna be good for a few chuckles and laughs during the commercial break in Fraggle Rock. I just happen to think that posts about sucking Mr. Cameron's dick and swallowing his cum in a thread dedicated to his new movie is well, kinda odd. But thanks for the in-depth explaination about my persona, because that was really amusing to read.
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It's CGI muthafuckas!!!
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No, its not official artwork, Cameron said so.
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his doesn't look like that. He said that. I'm sure they are somewhat similar.
What do you mean by where is it?
JC and his brother and some PACE dude invented these cameras. Also the photo realistic performance capture is an improvement over anything else. It hasn't been done like this before. Even Battle Angel will look better then Avatar because of even more improvements and corrected mistakes learned from this go around. IMAX is inventing both a quieter camera and going all digital. And keep in mind that the only 3D teasers, trailers of Avatar will be watchable before a 3D film.
The Day the Earth Stood Still could show a teaser but Earth/Still is not 3D. Bloodly Valentine will be 3D. And some of these might not be IMAX. So the they will have to pick which movie to place it with to really capture a true taste for it in IMAX 3D. I highly doubt that they are going to give you glasses just for a trailer, if the movie is 2D.
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Nov 17, 2008 3:03:38 PM CST
Cameron can fuck our eyeballs all he wants...
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
but if he doesn't have story and character then it will just be a fucking 2 1/2 hour showreel. We all saw The Phantom Menace. The movie sucked ass but it sure was purty to look at. I'm certain Avatar won't have the same issue, purely because I have faith in his storytelling ability. But IMO, Cameron hasn't spent 10 years of creating technology to "save cinema" or anything grandiose such as that. He's done it to aid his storytelling. He believes 3D will do that, so he's worked on the technology. Ultimately, its the story and characters we connect with. Everything else is an aid to serve that purpose. Hopefully, in 2009, Avatar will be fucking not only our eyeballs, but our minds and hearts as well! Hurry the fuck up December 2009!
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if the pic is real this are of course teasers. I bet Cameron did something like the T2 promo with Arnie. A complete new scene where we can see an Avatar in action for example... nothing which will be in the final movie like the 'building a Terminator' scene of T2.
I would do it exactly like this!
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Those examples of The Wizard Of Oz Apocalypto etc are not paradigm shifts in anything...merely different approaches within the medium.
What Cameron is shooting for here is to widen the parameters...to actually fuck with the medium itself and expand the medium a little wider.
It's more akin to when IMAX first came out...it was about advancing the technology in order to serve the story better. -
that without a good story it's just eye candy, but JC is smarter then that. Look at the colorful characters and dialogue in Aliens and The Abyss.
Everything I've read including the 80 page treatment that he said he has modified anyways, points to a killer story. I have issues but they are most about what will the world be like in 100 years, when this story takes place. I don't think we'll be disappointed. I think it include a love story, this could go either way. Totally chesseball sap fest, or totally cool with a lot of heart, which will play to the motive for Jake to fight for the Nav'i. There's no reason to believe that this movie will have any less of a story then any other JC film. Maybe even more so.
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movies won't be the same. Even disaster brainwashed Roland Emmerich will have to convert over to this type of 3D. Some studios might demand certain types to be filmed like Avatar. Like adventure films, pissing off directors because they won't know what the fuck they are doing.
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And the Wizard of Oz tried to match that with it's shift from BW to color. (Navigator did the same too I think) Which, when color was introduced in Movies, WAS a massive paradigm shift equall to talkies.
I've already outlined how Avatar is most likely to try and align the technical paradigm shift with the story. Whether he succeeds or not depends on his skill with the story and characters.
And "where is it ?" refers to the C.G (or C.G.I) (or indeed ANYTHING of the actuall Movie) Because 3D or not it's still going to have to be mindblowing even when viewed in the 2D format. Sure it's going to have less impact than it's true 3D form but weak 3 Dimensional C.G. is still weak C.G. and likewise mindblowing 3D C.G. will still be be fairly easy to spot as amazing when viewed in the 2D form. -
Nov 17, 2008 3:32:07 PM CST
when color was introduced in Movies, WAS a massive paradigm shif
by doctorwho?
Yes. Cameron wants the idiom to evolve. And of course, make a good movie in the process.
These are things that transcend any storytelling devices (no matter how cool) seen in Sixth Sense or Apocalypto. -
If you're point is, this is a worthy Technology in general that Movies should be taking and directors supporting, then I agree and point you to my first post where I acknowledged as much when I said the Technology was new but welcome.
So yeah, bring on the 3D by all means. But this is a HUGE opportunity to USE the 3D in concert with the storytelling to make the impact THAT much greater (since the 3D tech is almost completely new to the general public) and it's why Cameron is doing Avatar and not any other Movie first in the format. (IMO) -
was the first director to propel CG into the mainstream in a way that really caught the public imagination. The ILM work on The Abyss and T2 was mindblowing at the time. I remember seeing The Abyss trailer and going 'what the fuck?!' when the pseudopod clip appeared.
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He gave Tom Arnold the notion he could be a movie star.True Lies did weave from cool Bond stuff, to weak comedy (I'd call it Bill Paxtons worse role in his career), to good comedy, to doomsday thriller, romantic comedy, hostage drama and back again. But with all the current talk of Bond/Bourne fight scenes, look at the men's room fight in True Lies. It is brilliant. And Jamie Lee in a little black dress? Priceless.I agree with the poster that said Cameron puts the bucks on the screen. And he is always pushing the envelope in tech and effects. CGI wouldn't be where it is today without The Abyss and T2 paving the way.
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Good call, the toilet fight in True Lies is sensational, brutal and funny at the same time, perfectly edited.
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Nov 17, 2008 4:06:50 PM CST
Hey LooK! a packet of Oreo's!!!! but hey, no Oreos in it.
by future help
cool news
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BHS, I see you've taken psych 101. Impressive. Then you probably know that most jokes are rooted in fact. So, when you "joke" about blowing Cameron to climax, it's because your subconscience is trying to tell your conscience self something. We both claim to be hetero yet only one of us make out of the blue "jokes" about blowing men.
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will unleash TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION on the face of James Cameron.
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will unleash TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION on every Trek geeks tonsils because they'll be cueing up around the block to suck the cocks of Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman. Is there any other reason JJ took the gig?
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but he's had a bunch of directors there checking out all the new toys. Perhaps it's a bit of dick waving, but none the less he's being cool about sharing it and pursueding some of them to use it. Both PJ and SS want to do 3D. So he's thinking more about the industry then being top dog.
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The Phantom Menace. This is really close, though.
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see above post :P
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The real biggies for me were: T2, JURASSIC PARK, INDEPENDENCE DAY, THE LOST WORLD, TITANIC, GODZILLA, THE PHANTOM MENACE, SPIDER-MAN, LORD OF THE RINGS and KING KONG. But I'm afraid to say no film has ever got me hyped like this.
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Two poimts:
1) I love "Titanic." I watched the DVD for the first time in twelve years a week ago, and after all the shit I've seen people piling on it, I was stunned by how moved I was by the film. Glad it's still number one all time.
2) Everyone is focused on the 3D eye-fucking that might happen with "Avatar." This works for me, because no one's discussing the story. A trailer will arrive, I have no doubt, but I'm more interested in the drama than the visuals. Am I going to be moved and floored by Cameron's story?
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Two poiNts:
Two poiNts:
Two fucking poiNts, goddammit!
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Nov 17, 2008 10:47:53 PM CST
From the guy who made the most overrated film of all time...
by kongmonkey
Comes a film thats overrated way before anyones seen a shred of it.
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Anyone see the latest Terminator Episode? I thought though there was some hamfisted dialog, the key plot point was brilliant.
The writing on that show is so far beyond face value.
SPOILERS don't read any further You have been warned.
I didn't catch on to who the younger guy was even after we see the birthmarks, it was soon after when they were looking eye to eye that I realized it. I loved it.. the confusion of that scene all brought to clarity in a glance.
Then in the end Charles Fisher was so devious that not only was he an awesome lier, he willingly and easily uses his own past self as a scapegoat. brilliant ending.
This show isn't shakespeare, and it's not BSG, but I am routinely surprised at how solid the writing is and how much sincere plot depth we're getting from a show that at first looked like it could easily slide through endless action sequences like 24, or have ridiculous plot delay devices like lost or prison break.
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have made genre classics like Terminator and also the greatest chick-flick ever... Titanic. One can easily say titanic wasn't a movie that appealed to his traditional fanbase, yet he managed to knock it out of the park... how many other directors have done that?
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What Avatar promises is an event that makes theatres relevant again, and for that to happen theatres must offer an experience you can't get at home through your fancy HDTVs and digital surround sound. It'll make renting and illegal downloading seem lke a joke, and the only logical next step is 3D, and eventually 3D without the requirement for glasses but with depth of field right up there on the screen! 3D is the future and the industry seems to be pinning its hopes on Avatar to take us there. And simply on that aone I'm excited! Given Cameron's reputation we can safely assume that the story and characters will be solid enough. There's no point going over that, the biggest draw is indeed the 3D and digital trickery. That's what's got us so excited and we can't wait to witness this for ourselves! So stop trying to ruin the hope bandwagoning party! It's fun to get prematurely excited about things, if you're not interested then go find a thread about something you're interested in and hang out there.
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...which is why he isnt responding
to Harry.
He must have left his laptop at home.
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The story did break on a Sunday so he may have been away from email. I'd give it a few more days at least, but even then with the 3Dx Festival it might be a while.
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Moreso of 'answering them'.
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This will be the teaser's tagline. You heard it here first.
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Nov 18, 2008 2:54:02 AM CST
Btw, I did not invent that catchphrase, I just keep repeating it
by motoko kusanagi
I guess that wins me no prize at all.
_In other news, I welcome the comeback of talkbacker "TOTAL_FUCKING_DESTRUCTION". I love you, man! -
Now I need to get me some condoms for my eyeballz as it will be fucked in 2009 !!!
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will unleash total fucking destruction on James Cameron? Right...Good to have you back anyway TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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that's not the real TFD. That's a lame clone. The real TFD knows about him and is not impressed. He actually threatened him with TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION
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I see. Well, that's a pity. I guess I'll have to do the TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION thingie after Dec, 17th, when AVATAR has fucked our eyeballs...
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to the theater executives. He will be the leader for them in battling a sagging industry. It doesn't matter that Avatar will or will not be a fantastically told story. It'll be the movie to set the stage for other film makers to go ok, lets do this. It's a perfect movie to show and push the limits of what can be done. And is the project JC wants to see on screen. Not some cookie cutter, formulaic, Roland Emmerich bore flic.
JC will be the hero like Goldblum was in ID4. No one knew how to combat the aliens. Well no one knows how to compete with home theater and piracy. JC does. So even if this type of story doesn't attract the masses and doesn't make billions, it'll attract the entire film industry. And that's more important. Because a large percentage of movies in the near future will have dazzling presentations like Avatar that home theaters can't deliver. Avatar will coast on the techno side at the Oscars and maybe in other catagories, like editing, sound, score (James Horner I hope), screenplay, director, acting etc. And maybe even Avatar will create a new category at the Oscars . And the "best eyeball fuck" goes to...Avatar.
Eventually home theater will catch on with the whole 3D thing. It's already out there. There's just not enough material and consumer sales for a production company to release it's movie in 3D. Like Monster House, Journey/Earth, or U2-3D.
They'll have to sell a Blu-Ray 3D player. That's if by then Blu-Ray is the leading format. Something new is always around the corner. So it'll be a awhile for it to all come together.
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Does anyone have the script or knows the synopsis for James Cameron's Planet Of The Apes? It's a project I've been dying to know about. Harry Knowles promised he would tell us what the story was about and never delivered. I would love to know what his version was about. Guys at AICN, can you finally reveal this project you know about?
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of Planet of the Apes and Spiderman.
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If you check the archives, Harry promised he would reveal to AICN readers the story but after Tim Burton's film failed he seems to be quiet about it. Since Cameron is moving on to producing more anime/Edgar Rice Burroughs type pictures, I don't think it would be violating Jim's trust by revealing the story. Plus he promised to reveal it!
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And will STILL be doing you-know-what to your eyeballs!
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My Bloody Valentine 3-D (January 16, 2009)
Bolt is to early and Avatar's rating doesn't match. Avatar is probably PG-13 but could be R.
More then likely there'll be a 3D trailer with Harry Potter in July. Some of Potters scenes are in 3D. There are some other movies without release dates yet. And others might change. Whatever movie it pops up with, they'll be a crowd for it.
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http://tinyurl.com/6x42zo
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just noticed that was posted last year so must be an old fake teaser : )
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http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2008/12/marketsaw-exclusive-james-cameron-talks.html
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