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MacGuyver uses bubblegum & a paperclip to see Michael Mann's PUBLIC ENEMIES over half a year early!

Hey folks, Harry here... Up front a warning - MacGuyver states at the end of his review that you should probably skip the review and just see the film when it comes out. But he does say it is better than ALI & MIAMI VICE in its current form, though not at the classic status of Mann's LAST OF THE MOHICANS or HEAT. Of course - he is also saying that when the film he saw didn't have a real score in place, wasn't color timed, didn't have much of its finished digital trickery in place - and was an initial loose edit at two hours and 40 minutes. In otherwords, putting this film in any sort of place in Mann's career versus finished films... well is a bit jumping the gun. There's a whole lot of movie-making yet to be done on this sucker - and Mann is someone known for having his films getting increasingly superior through the editing and post-production process. I'm dying to see this one.

Hi Harry, L.A. spy MacGuyver here... I've been away for a while but finally caught a test screening worth talking about again. Just got back from a screening of Michael Mann's Public Enemies with Johnny Depp as gangster John Dillinger and Christian Bale as the FBI agent hunting him. Mr. Mann was in attendance, in fact he sat right behind me and kept rudely kicking my seat and smacking his bubble gum when he wasn't gabbing on his cell phone throughout... some people are just so rude. I finally told him to shut up or I'd call the theater manager. Anyway, the movie runs about 2 hours 40 minutes right now by my estimation, and could stand to lose about 15 minutes. But seeing as it doesn't come out until next July he's got plenty of time to work on it. As of now I'd give it a B+ but I do think that it will get better. The cast is excellent - everyone. Johnny Depp is charming and funny and Bale does a fine "serious man-on-a-mission". It starts off with a dramatic breakout of Johnny's gang from prison with a pretty killer Mann caliber shootout, and then we meet Christion Bale as a rising star in the FBI tapped to lead the manhunt for Dillinger. J. Edgar Hoover (Billy Crudup - excellent) hand picks him for the job and while the scenes with Hoover are good and somewhat entertaining by themselves I don't think they necessarily contribute that much to the movie. There is obviously supposed to be some tension between Hoover and Bale's FBI guy over how Bale should operate and what kind of agent's he should use, but it's underdeveloped and when there's a final showdown between the two men in the end you just don't care much. To make that subplot worthwhile would probably just extend the movie, which is moving in the wrong direction, so cutting it back or out might be a better choice. Just a guess... I don't know anything. The biggest weakness overall though was the adversarial relationship between Bale"s FBI guy "Melvin Purvis" and Depp's Dillinger, which is surprising because Mann usually does that so well - setting up two competent adversaries on a collision course. Here Purvis keep's somewhat blowing it, making the wrong choices and being countered and sometimes scolded by guys that are supposed to be working under him. I guess they're trying to show how desperate he's getting to catch Dillinger under pressure from Hoover, but it was at the expense of the tension between Purvis and Dillinger which was the direction they seemed to be going early on. There is a Deniro vs. Pacino moment early in the film, reminiscent of the diner scene from Heat, where the two lead actors meet and challenge each other - but after that their relationshp is pretty much dropped. There's no setup's where on barely outsmarts the other, no taunting or signals sent from one to the other. I would have liked to have seen more of that. Also, I just never really got any idea of what drives Bale's character... he's somewhat underdeveloped. The best part is the love story between Dillinger and actress Marion Cotillard from La Vie en Rose, who plays a bright girl leading a fairly simple life who Dillinger falls in love with (rather quickly - but it's humorous and it works). Their relationship is well developed and the most effective storyline, interleaved well in to the movie as to not take away from the action for too long... which is important because that is what michael mann does best and there's plenty of it in this movie. Only one actio scene didn't work well for me, a nighttime assault by the FBI on a cabin hideout, which was confusing and dragged on for too long in the cabin location before turning in to a pursuit and gunfight. Mann usually sets up his action scenes so well that you know who's shooting at what and where people are located as the adversaries try to manuever for positions, but that wasn't the case here. I imagine it can be fixed in editing. The film was clearly shot on digital, which I'm usually fine with, but it was jarring at first because it takes place in the 1930's and the "video look" didn't quite jibe with that. After about a half hour I forgot about it though and got lost in the movie, except for a few shot's throughout where the image was blown out in bright light and reminded me that it was video. It could also be a matter of finishing the coloring because some scenes seemed to have a more muted sepia look and this worked well, but some didn't and had vivid video like colors which was distracting. I do think this will be a terrific movie when it's done, way better than Ali and better than Miami Vice (which I enjoyed), but not a classic like Heat or Last of the Mohicans. In closing I'd like to say that you shouldn't read this review, it's probably just better to wait until next summer and not know anything about it when you go in. Too late?
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  • Nov. 13, 2008, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Looking forward to this one...

    by Droid

    Mann's f'ing great.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 5:29 a.m. CST

    No it's not to late

    by TinDrummer

    Do you think that spoiled my movie experience, Mac? Here's hoping this film will be as good as I expect it to be. Mann is brilliant and so is that cast.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 5:33 a.m. CST

    better than Miami Vice?

    by kwisatzhaderach

    cool, Miami Vice was one of the best films of 06.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 5:51 a.m. CST

    I liked Miami Vice

    by RobFromBackEast

    And Michael Mann is the best director working in mainstream cinema today. Fact. Only Fincher comes close. This also looks fucking fantastic.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 6:16 a.m. CST

    Count me in as looking forward to this.

    by mrfan

    Sounds great. Read the book and glad to see it being made in a movie.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 6:25 a.m. CST

    I didn't like the "digital factor" about Miami Vice

    by Maniaq

    all that night time stuff was grainy as fuck and reminded me of videos I capture with my cell phone. <p> I was hoping Mann would have graduated to a 4k RED camera by now - or maybe he has and they're still just not good enough? <p> I'm told the transfer to film (for the theatres) is largely responsible for that granularity - does that mean some asshole with a BluRay will get a better picture than what I lay down hard-earned to watch at the movies will see?

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Miami Vice digital photography

    by AdmiralNeck

    I'm on the love side of the MV photography divide. That visual texture, and the stunning colours of the night sky, were beautiful.<p> I can't wait to see this damn movie.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 7:14 a.m. CST

    JULY 1ST?


    Pretty bold move! I guess this film has a hell of a lot of action huh! <p> Funny I was watching HEAT last night once it came in the mail and damn what a good movie. It's always a pleasure watching Mann's character work. And those shootouts! Shit!

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 7:17 a.m. CST

    I like Miami Vice, love Heat.

    by Righteous Brother

    don't mind the digi photography in Vice, but not sure about it being used in a period film.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 7:21 a.m. CST

    not me Mann

    by diyfilm

    This was shot all digital. The only things that weren't digi was super slow effects shots. Not sure if it was the redone or if its just some flyby bs that won't last as long as real film. I can't tell you haow much I don't want to see this Hollywood fuckin (the verb) Chicago movie. One person on the production was heard to say "Chicago, moves at 50%" yeah well fuck you! Chicago helped make dark knight tons of fucking money so nawh

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 8:10 a.m. CST

    You had me at "Mann Shootout"

    by Stuntcock Mike

    I'm there opening day.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Michael Mann is a genius.

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    I'm sure this will rock!

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 8:28 a.m. CST

    One of the only films this summer...

    by Redfive!

    That im actually looking foward to.Wolverine might be good,but every other movie this summer seems like a crappy-unnessesary sequel.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Hope it rocks!

    by Shadow Warrior

    Bale and Mann... hell yeah!!!

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    "Falls in love with her (rather quickly)"

    by filmcoyote

    I fell in love with Marion Cotillard about 10 seconds after she appeared on screen in Big Fish and Depp is no slouch in the looks and charm department so i would think falling in love slowly would be more implausible with these two. And I'm not saying Ali is a great film or anything but he's not seriously saying that turgid mess Miami Vice was better than Ali is he?

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 9 a.m. CST

    I'm bored of Christian Bale

    by jenkis

    He plays the same 'serious man on a mission in everything'. I loved Dark Knight, but maybe he could loosen up once in a while.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Well they say play to your strengths

    by filmcoyote

    Bale is famously a humorless ass in person, like Edward Norton, Robert DeNiro, Val Kilmer and many others, who takes himself far too seriously. It makes him (and Norton and DeNiro, though not Kilmer) a brilliant actor though so i guess i shouldn't complain. Don't expect to see him do a rom com anytime soon though.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    The Digital worked for me in Vice...

    by ZoeFan

    It made it more real and raw. And I'm a HATER of Digital. However, this film is a different animal. I am extremelly interested to see how Mann uses it.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Mann and Digital Cameras

    by thesinofthesky

    Seriously- if Michael Mann used digital cameras to film morbidly obese people playing Wheel of Fortune- I know it'd be interesting and I'd happily watch it. That being said- Where's the love for "Collateral"? Despite the semi lame duck third act, that's a seriously underrated movie piece of movie making, and it was the first film shot wholly with digital cameras. That being said- Mann needs to direct a "Gates of Fire" movie, and he needs to do it soon.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Miami Vice is an underrated masterpiece

    by fitz-hume

    One of the absolute best movies of 2006. If Public Enemies is even better I'm pleased.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Yo Jenkis ....For a good laugh watch American Psycho

    by masteryoda007

    Bale cracks me up in that movie. I just watched it again a few weeks ago it was excellent.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST

    You know what also looked weird on dig vid?

    by Christopher3


  • Nov. 13, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    All Pretty-Boys, All the Time

    by Aquatarkusman

    Check out Dillinger with Lawrence Tierney, or Dillinger with Warren Oates as JD and Ben Johnson as Melvin Purvis. When there was such a thing as character-actors. To be fair, however, Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway were much better-looking than the real Bonnie and Clyde.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 10:16 a.m. CST

    bale can act funny

    by pcassou

    In shaft he was a total prick, and in batman begins threre a couple of scenes where he was having a blast, the one with the models and in his party. Maybe in a couple of years he can do a comedy, an R rated one, not a rom com, he would be really great

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Mann, digital and period piece

    by skimn

    I don't know if Deakins shot Oh Brother in digital and fixed the color in post production. Or shot on film and fixed the color digitally in post. But couldn't Mann do that here. I think that digital might be distracting, especially for a period piece. Unless, he going for his documentary feel, instead of a more classic look.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST


    by Droid

    is another in the long line of great Mann films. With James Caan in his prime.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST


    by skimn

    And a great role for Jim (or James) Belushi, right alongside Stone's Salvador. The guy COULD act.<p>Back then.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    My most anticipated for '09

    by Reckoner

    I have really high expectations for this. Heat is one of my all-time favorites, Depp & Bale are two of my favorite actors, and they are attached to a true-crime story with a director who knows crime like no other. After all the editing, score, etc is put in, this will be a can't miss movie. I skipped much of the review because I want to go in not knowing anything.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 11 a.m. CST

    Miami Vice looked and ran awesomely...

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    ...but in the end, it's like a disappointing video game; storyless and without much impact. I loved the raw look of the movie, as if Mann intentionally wanted to contrast the beauty of Miami with the dirt of crime and policework, and it worked very well. Next time, he needs to fire Foxx and hire Howard and make a story befitting to the material.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    The directing of Miami Vice was fine

    by Garbageman33

    The acting was shit. Colin Farrell and Jamie Foxx were straining so hard to be cool, but they just ended up looking constipated. Like they went the whole shoot without taking a shit.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 11:08 a.m. CST

    I agree Miami Vice is great on second viewing

    by Stormwatcher

    Great score, being stolen by everyone else. If you were a fan of the series, Vice was the best possible homage to that show in modern times. Mann's my favorite director period. Mohicans my favorite film.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 11:19 a.m. CST

    "I finally told him to shut up or I'd call the theater manager."

    by SomaShine

    Lol..yeah sure you did. I'm sure you told Michael Mann to shut up. "Excuse me theater manager, MICHAEL MANN - the Director of the film that is being screened is kicking my chair and talking, please ask him to stop or leave" Hahaha.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST

    A friend of mine worked on this

    by rhcp2sweet

    He was an extra in a scene that involved swing dancing. He said that he got to meet Johnny Depp and that he was an extremely nice guy. He worked on the movie for about five days and each of those days he worked until 6-7 in the morning. Mann apparently, is a hardcore perfectionist.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    man i tell you

    by Ace of Knaves

    between depp as dillinger, bale as purvis, and what, now fucking CRUDUP as HOOVER, theyve really gone out of their way to flatter men who were surely some plain looking motherfuckers when they walked the earth in real life.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST

    In Apatow's next film after Funny People

    by Thrillho77

    Christian Bale could play a womanizing, swinger friend to the group of "average" guys. I don't know if that sounds awesome or terrible. <p> Think of the menage scene in American Psycho, but without the chainsaw drop at the end?

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Warren Oates as Dillinger was probably

    by skimn

    as spot on visual casting as you could get.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST

    To the people that hated Miami Vice

    by ZoeFan

    I really don't get. The main complaints generally are the interaction between Crockett and Tubbs or the fact that it was shot in digital. I would argue though, that "real life" Crockett and Tubbs (undercover cops) react to each other in a fashion that is closer to that of Fox and Farrell as opposed to Don Johnson and Philip Michael Thomas. I would also say the digital look makes the film look more real - which Mann was going for.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST

    skimn, truly

    by Ace of Knaves

    that film is great, i know it should be about the actor's performance, but its so much easier to sell when the person actually looks like who theyre playing. I am never going to b e able to connect chiseled, Miclealangelean Crudup with roly-poly, frog-eyed Hoocver

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 12:15 p.m. CST


    by ZoeFan

    From what I've been told and read, working for Mann is strenuous. Like a notch easier than working for Michael Bay or James Cameron.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST

    William Gibson

    by abetyler

    I truly think Michael Mann should make a movie based upon Gibson's first books. Sure it'd nails your balls on the table!

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 12:37 p.m. CST


    by skimn

    I know our common knowledge of Hoover is of his later years, when his appearance was that of a bridge troll, but in his early years, the time frame of Dillinger, he was a fairly normal looking, even handsome man. Not Billy Crudup handsome mind you, but I know exactly what you mean.<p>If Bonnie and Clyde looked like Faye Dunaway and Warren Beatty, people would have lined up to get robbed by them.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST

    They had me at Depp, Bale, Mann.

    by yomomma

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Billy Crudup as Hoover

    by skimn

    At some point does he say...Lipstick and rouge 4.95...Summer maumau dress 19.95...head of the FBI..priceless.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Funniest story I read about Michael Mann

    by Vern

    was about him contacting Moby to do the soundtrack for Heat. Supposedly Moby just answered the phone "Hello," Michael Mann said "This is Michael Mann," talked about Heat for 45 minutes straight, and then hung up. This story could very well be an exaggeration, but he's such a pretentious blowhard on those commentary tracks that I believe it is literally true. That's also why I could almost believe the joke in the review about Mann smacking bubblegum and talking on his cell phone during his own movie.<p> I love his movies though and can't wait for this one. And I'm glad to see I'm not the only one around here who liked Miami Vice. That movie gets a bum rap.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Clyde Barrow actually was a looker

    by Ace of Knaves

    almost rivalling beatty id say

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 2:01 p.m. CST


    by skimn

    I Wiki'd them and I'd have to say Bonnie Parker was quite the looker. Clyde Barrow, not so much..there's one angle that makes him look more like Casey Siemaszko than Warren Beatty. But, anywho...

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Looking forward to this.

    by otm shank

    Mann's great. Loved Miami Vice. Heat is epic.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Miami Vice was a masterpiece

    by RowdyRoddyStriper

    Seriously. It looked fantastic, it was written well, it was detailed. An avant garde action film, an experimental blockbuster. It looks sick on blu-ray, in some scenes the grain is so out of control. That said I am not really looking forward to this film. Depp is a very boring actor as a lead. And Bale is the same, boring as shit. We'll see I guess....

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    "Sick on BluRay"

    by skimn

    Rowdy is that a good sick, or a bad sick? I'm assuming good, right?

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST


    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ....This SHOULD be better than Mann's usual output, soley because its period. Whenever he gets a contemporary project he tends to ruin it with his fucking horrid taste in music, mens fashion and hair cut and general design of the picture. As for the film being rambling and unfocused with sloppy character development and being shallow...Well...It's a Michael Mann film isn't it? The digital thing is a suprise...Mann is possibly the worst major director when it comes to working with digital. Fincher's stuff on the same camera looks stunning...I was initially freaked out when I heard Fincher was going to go Digi for Zodiac and Button, simply because I had seen Mann's shitty, shitty work with the medium, but now I realise its just Mann's shitty, shitty taste as a director.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Are Bonnie and Clyde in this movie

    by Ace of Knaves

    They were in the spectacular book its baesed on.....

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 4:18 p.m. CST


    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    Is this a Mann fan's support group? This has to be the most isolated corner of the internet in the world. Miami Vice...? With Foxx and Farrell? One of the most laughably awful films of the this past decade? The one with lines like "Take it to the limit, one more time" spoken in dead earnest? The one that looked like it had been shot on a friends borrow chip camcorder? It features a fucking linkin park/jay z remix on the goddamn soundtrack. At least Collateral had a nice Van Damme worthy high concept pitch. Miami Vice was just truly horribly embarassing. All it needed was some more synths, tighter jeans and bigger leather jackets and it would have been his worst film since Thief. Lordy you people should be ashamed for your shitty taste. My main complaints about Vice was that it looked like a pile of shit, was sloppily chucked together, had flat, cardboard cutout, hideously cliched characters and dialouge, and a story that would acceptably muddled, unfocused and pointless as a really bad episode of television...and exsisted in a retarded fantasy world that certainly didn't represent anything approaching reality, but also didn't approach anything representing interesting. Yes the acting sucked...But how the fuck do you act with a script like that? "You cannot neogtiate with gravity"

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Bring on Babyface Nelson

    by drewlicious

    Now there was a scary guy. When I read part in the book about that shootout with the feds I thought that would be a killerr scene.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Marion Cotillard

    by Thrillho77

    is a really attractive woman.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST

    so I'm not the only one then?

    by Maniaq

    I must admit I didn't notice so much washed out grainy footage on Collateral but it REALLY grated on Miami Vice. Maybe because the daytime stuff looked just fine so it was a matter of comparison. If you didn't notice it then good for you because once you do start to notice it... well it practically RUINED the film for me. <p> Maybe WNB is right and he just needs to find a better DoP who knows who to shoot low light with digital - whoever Fincher is using? <p> In the end it's only a minor complaint and one I'll forgive because you gotta expect some teething problems whenever you're adopting new tech. I just hope he LEARNS from his past mistakes and actually does something about it for this and other future projects...

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 5:13 p.m. CST

    "1930s Heat"

    by Ravetin

    I don't know if I really love, or really loathe that idea. Though i think the idea of Mann carrying his digital look to a period piece is cool. And why the FUCK is there so little Collateral love on this TB? Easily his second best after Heat.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 5:27 p.m. CST

    video vs. film

    by BadMrWonka

    so many people don't understand the differences. you might be able to "feel" that there's a difference, but there are few scenarios where there is a real, specific difference in the performance of the film vs digital. look at the club scene in "Collateral", there is a scene that would have been utterly different on film. same with a lot of the low light night shots in the taxi, where the digital picks up so much more of the background and gives everything a glowing kind of feel.<p>when this reviewer writes: "the image was blown out in bright light and reminded me that it was video." it shows that just like most other people, he has ZERO idea of what is going on technically and cinematographically with the digital print. you might as well say, "the midget slamdunked the basketball and reminded me he was tall." makes ZERO sense.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    digital 30s sounds awesome

    by Ace of Knaves

    im a big buff on the period, itll be good to see it through modern eyes, not all dressed up with an affected artificial look, itll be more like were seeing the actual events in the real world, like the one we live in , just with different clothes and cars. Because thats what the 30s was, it happened on this planet, in our reality.

  • Nov. 13, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Mann was fined by union

    by jah_kingdom

    I have a friend who worked on the production of Public Enemy and said Mann was fined by the union for over working his crew. As the production went on Johnny Depp became more concerned at the mistreatment of the crew and eventually got into an argument with Mann about him being such a dictator. Everyone who worked on that said it was a bitch. Factoid: Mann is from Chicago.

  • Nov. 14, 2008, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Ali and Miami Vice were AWESOME

    by StraightToHell

    films. I just don't get it. I loved them both before Mann did his director's cut for DVD, and they got even better for it. I have a feeling the both films will get more credit with age. Both have spectacular acting and both have some of Mann's best directing and writing. I can't be the only one who thinks so.

  • Nov. 14, 2008, 12:21 a.m. CST

    and Thief is still one of the greatest

    by StraightToHell

    characters studies/crime films ever made. Cann's greates performance by far, and some of the best and most quotable dialogue of Mann's career. The Willie Nelson scene is a masterpiece of subtlety and grace. "Lie to no one. If they're a friend you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, then who the fuck are they you gotta lie to?" Brilliant.

  • Nov. 14, 2008, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Ravetin I second that about Collateral

    by StraightToHell

    Easily Mann's best film after Thief and Heat. I don't care what people say about the third act. If you listen to Mann's commentary on the DVD all of the choices he made for the movie make logical sense. It's way more complicated than a simple psycho hitman chasing Jamie Foxx. Everything that Cruise does in the movie make total sense. And his final scene "Guy gets on an MTA and dies. Think anyone will notice?" is one of the best character reveal moments I've ever seen. It makes the movie and give Cruise a whole different side as a human being. it's both touching and heartbraking at the same time. and the scene in the alley, where Cruise takes out the two idiots in less than 2 seconds if astonishing. One of the best depiction of rea-life combat I've ever seen. Mann is a genius.

  • Nov. 14, 2008, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Mann= genius director

    by CardPlayer

    THIEF,THE KEEP,MANHUNTER,THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS,HEAT,THE INSIDER,ALI,COLLATERAL,MIAMI VICE: Mann can do now wrong,IMO. My favorite Mann film: MANHUNTER. I also love THE INSIDER,THIEF,COLLATERAL and THE KEEP (flawed of course,but unique and visually striking) MANHUNTER and ALI are underrated films!

  • Nov. 14, 2008, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Just saw The Keep for the first time

    by StraightToHell

    in widescreen DVD from a Japanese import and it's a pretty stunning film. I'm sure that it was even more stunning before asswhipes at Paramount had Mann pull a Blade Runner on the movie and chop the shit out of it (since the original cut was almost 3 hours long). But even in the present form it has some of the most amazing imagery Mann has ever done. The scene where the monster comes out of the fog is incredibly striking. When are we going to get a fucking SE DVD on this already? How many Star Wars editions are we gonna get before getting a real one for a movie that is way more interesting than Star Wars is anymore.

  • Nov. 14, 2008, 11:35 a.m. CST


    by SomaShine

    I believe he was smacking his gum and talking on his phone. What I don't believe is Macguyver turning around and telling him to shut up - lol.

  • Nov. 14, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST


    by watch_the_world_burn