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Behold J.J.'s Enterprise!!
Merrick here...
This from Entertainment Weekly's site...
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Sure it aint fake?
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be the baby.
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I'm so pumped for this movie!!!
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I don't know why I did that.
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Looks very cool and still iconic.
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..."look at the big Spock brain on you"...best part of the article!
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looks ...the same to me
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sorry.
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Making them look like turbines is a cosmetic change at best. That's is definitely the NCC-1701. Good on 'em.
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There's a ship that boldly goes.
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...there were flames.
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It's close enough to the TMP Refit, so It lifts my overall opinion, but just a bit.
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Damn You, Brett Ratner
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Only when it goes into battle...
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Nah, just kidding. This looks pretty cool. Maybe a little too slopey, but a damn sight better than I was expecting after seeing some of the other stuff from this movie. Oh yeah: Star Trek VI was the best of the movies by far, motherfuckers.
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This sounds awful but I do not like the way the saucer pylon is so far back from the deflector dish. God I am a freaking dork.
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...than the original design. It reminds me of a Chevrolet Corvette or 1956 Cadillac
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I love the look of it. Thank god it actually looks like the Enterprise! That's something we had a right to be worried about IMO. Well, worry no more. We're back in business! I hope we get a sequel.
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works for me
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I think it's the best Enterprise since TMP. I liked the version from First Contact as well. I'll be seeing this if only to see Leonard Nimoy as Spock one more time.
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I think they should have remained more faithful, but oh well. I'll reserve final judgement for when I see it in motion. I'm with Yackbacker.. the TMP version is the best.
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its ass has that flat look that the TNG enterprise had, interesting. i mean its not as flat but its similar.
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Why don't you just substitute the Adjective "Weird", or "Different".
You are aware that this film is not composed of re-runs from the show, or clips from the old movies right?
You are aware that this is a brand new Star trek film?
Weird is a little vague. It's probably the Laziest Adjective around, often used to enforce bigotry.
Weird has no concrete definition. It's a completely subjective word that only means what you want it to mean.
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Nov 11, 2008 4:37:19 PM CST
bollocks that can do the kessel run in less than 12 parsecs
by dalbatron
Looks like the guys from American Chopper got hold of it... I like it, pregnant or not it still rocks..
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Nothing else to say, really. What did we think it was going to look like?
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The saucer rips off The Motion Picture but takes out its slick underside curve. The neck is way too long front to back. The engineering hull is where it really falls apart though, it's bloated and rounded, everything's awkwardly-placed from the deflector dish at the front to the underside curve. Then there's the curved engine pylons which start way too far back (goodbye shuttlebay) a la Voyager, and then attach to the engines way too far forward so they look like the first time they hit the gas, the engines will snap right off - this was a flaw of the TOS design as well, but those engines weren't so overwhelmingly fat-looking. Except for the saucer, this reeks of many of the lesser-quality modern Trek design aesthetics, those that seemed to come from eyes that didn't understand what Trek was trying to say.
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wah...the saucer's too round, too oval, too..... wah, the nacelles are too long, too short...wah wah..whine, whine. Imagine if this and other sites had existed when the first Trek film with the refitted ship came out. Wah Wah. It's fine, it looks like the Enterprise, a starship with Trek universe nacelles, etc, as Cont. Op said.
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You are aware there is no air in space and therefore no drag?
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This does setup the transition to the TMP version better. I mean, TOS Enterprise looked a little too low rent, and the TMP version was such a monumental leap. This atleast makes soem of the technology look more akin from the 5 year mission to the refit.
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get over it, it looks good, close enough to the original, just revamped. The problem is how crap all the actors look, they're like bad parodies. Spock looks like a fucking Beatles and Kirk looks like a serial rapist. Not that I really care, I'm not a trekkie/trekker, except for Voyager, First Contact and the Borgs.
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if they... oh hold on its a fucking movie about a tv series from the olden days.. get over it...
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you funny fucker..
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the curvy dolphinny bits do anyway. i suppose it makes it look more like something from 1963. i can hear the twangy guitars now as i drift through space on my oversized surfboard.
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This is stupid, let's see a trailer already.
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Damn You Michael Bay
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...that the original Enterprise design was achieved by gluing two kazoos onto an electric hairdryer and then gluing that whole assembly onto an inverted plastic washing basket lid?
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looks a whole lot better than this.
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...but dope nonetheless.
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There's only so much you can do with the Enterprise...I want to see some Klingon and Romulan Birds of Prey!
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Awkward and weird looking the further back it goes.
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But not great either. Looks like it needs to be longer. Has the feeling of being smooshed from midway through engineering to the shuttlebay, if there is one? I'm assuming it will still be there.
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Nov 11, 2008 5:07:21 PM CST
Rust on the Millennium Falcon makes it go faster.
by stereotypical evil archer
Rust and loose bolts is a space lubricant.
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It's quite a bit bigger than the real space station.
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Nov 11, 2008 5:08:27 PM CST
I hope there's aliens in the Cantina scene.
by stereotypical evil archer
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Get the feeling that the saucer section should be about 25% smaller? It seems gigantic from this pov.
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It's been pulled by the studios...
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from my parents basement I stab at thee!
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I like the saucer, but the rest of it looks like they just stretched around the movie Enterprise with Photoshop. Looks like the shuttle bay is history. Wonder where those shuttles are going?
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seriously its not that amazingly different and its faithful, its just ...grand.
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Too funny!
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Third time looking at this photo, and it closest resembles the Enterprise C, easily the ugliest of the line. Looks like a much better version of the C, which seemed desgined to quickly... thats ok. Either way, it's fine. Not wowed, not dissapointed.
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You can't just - get round me with these (admittedly FANTASTIC) pictures of the Enterprise - looks as good as it should, love the new dolphinny lines and the badass nacelles - but YOU CAN'T JUST waltz in here, after slapping me around, right, with these stupid fucking cast ideas (Pegg as Scotty? Urban as fucking McCOY?!?!?!?)! You just CAN'T, JJ! I'm not here for your convenience! You can't just USE me, right, giving me great LOST, then shit LOST, then great LOST again, then meh-it-was-okay M-I:3, then fucking amazing CLOVERFIELD - it used to be great ALL THE TIME! Now you come in here with this new reboot Trek - it's a FUCKING REBOOT, alright?!? - and expect me to just carry on like nothing happened?
This happened before with that bastard Lucas. It used to be fucking great ALL THE TIME, then he had to go for the younger option - WAY FUCKING YOUNGER - and make toy movies, not the great movies he used to! I'm not here to be USED! I'm NOT YOUR BITCH, JJ! I WASN'T LUCAS' BITCH, and I'm NOT YOURS! He had a GREAT FUCKING TRAILER TOO, back in 1999, and LOOK HOW HE LEFT ME THEN?!?
don't you hurt me, JJ. It... looks.. **sniff** it looks BEAUTIFUL... -
Modern yet retro. Never been a Trek fan, but this is one I might actually go to the theatre for.
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This thing would have flames or nipples on it.
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I'm giving this movie a chance and I will give this movie my money. But I have a skeptical hunch that when the dust settles that if you were to do a cheesy 1980s coke vs. pepsi taste test between this film and one of the remastered episodes with all the newfangled cgi matte paintings and space shots that the remastered eps will be better.
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we would be clamoring for his castration on live tv, so I don't know what the fuck you wanted exactly. It's somewhat of an origin story of the original series, and that is what the ship would look like with today's technology.
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Like comparing a new Ferrari to a 1970 Lamborghini Countach LP500S. The Ferrari may look newer - be a better looker on screen - have all the mod cons - but the Countach has SOUL, gentlemen, it has SEX, it is just exceptional...
This Enterprise looks great. It is the new Ferrari. The Falcon, however, is the Countach, gentlemen. A vintage Lamborghini pussy magnet that will give you the greatest ride of your life.
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Compared their to-scale models of the Enterprise to the new one to make sure everything is proportional?
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You can keep on saying nay, naysayers -- but I think that's a gorgeous fucking ship.
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I apologize for this snarky remark. I care not for Trek and should go find something else to do besides poo-poo this movie. Toodles.
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I've liked pretty much everything JJ Abrams has done so I'm willing to wait and see what he does here. I like Star Trek a lot and I want to see it done right. So far I like the casting choices, what I've heard about the plot, and now the Enterprise. I'll be there opening night and we'll go from there.
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makes it look stunted. Gave up hope on this long ago anyway, soon as I heard the names Kurtzman and Orci.
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Classic saucer section slammed onto an TNG style, organic looking, pregnant pod with the fins of a 1959 Eldorado shoved on its ass.
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Just thought I'd throw that out there.
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he says that he loved the sequence where Kirk is in the shuttle and they fly around the enterprise - that was his favorite moment...
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Very cool that this ship takes a lot from that one. I hope this movie really rocks the box office.
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That is NOT what a ship would look like with today's tech..it is what the Enterprise looks like when the "hot at the moment" director/hack job, has no checks nor balances while working on a franchise he was thrown, and that he does not even like.
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It's an majestic sequence, from a time when shots could hold longer on screen for more than 16 frames.
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It does look a bit like a parody of the refit Enterprise, but I may grow to love it like I did with the Enterprise D. We will see.
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Requiem.
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Size does matter, you know. I like the design EXCEPT for the extremely short fusalage. WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY (and I mean WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY) too short, if you ask me. In fact, it actually sucks if this is the final design. It look like someone knocked off a third of the fuselage, which makes the ship look front heavy. It doesn't really look "official" because this design completely ignores the ENTERPRISE from the original series AND the movies. ...and I WANT this film to do well!
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Not that I approve of this talkback's backlash of anything that's not blindshit praise, but I'll give it this--I like it loads better than any ship called Enterprise that came after TMP (well, I liked the Enterprise B too I guess). In general I don't think a good new Trek ship design has come about since Star Trek 3. This one isn't perfect, the neck DOES go too far back and I think the fan design that's been circling the net was a better retro-redesign. But it's still loads better than the neckless pancakes that Berman inflicted on us. Okay, the Defiant wasn't so awful, but it wasn't a normal ship and I mostly liked it for aping the Millenium Falcon.
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on this one, my name goes first. We switch on every project.
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I dont hate it...It works just fine
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"It's a majestic sequence, from a time when shots could hold longer on screen for more than 16 frames."
I think you meant to say "When teenagers' attention spans could hold for more than 16 frames." -
Not nitpicking, just noticing.
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Bridge? someone, anyone?
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Not crazy about it... but it may grow on me. Need to see it in motion.
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I agree with you... why is the neck of the ship so far back on the lower hull?
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There, I said it! Or how about Flames on Optimus=Nipples on Batsuit=Huge Saucer Section on JJ's Enterprise=No Beard on Harry!
Too much? What say you!!!! -
On the top of the saucer section..
And to everyone else who gives a shit if the Enterprise looks different to how it used to look...
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Fucking disaster. It SHOULD look like this: http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachments/general-discussion/60225d1226446352-enterprise-revealed-thing.jpg
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How is this supposed to be exciting??? There is nothing new here just a slightly detailed look??? So what, haven't we seen that upteen times before???!!!
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...a cross between a Buick and the air intakes to a SR-71 Blackbird?
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Nov 11, 2008 6:41:48 PM CST
sorry guys - somone in another Talkback beat you to it - AGAIN
by maniaq
congratulations grandadmiralsnackbar
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Big deal. I don't get recasting the original show like this. The franchise already spread into movies decades ago, so it isn't in the same category as Get Smart, Mission Impossible or whatever TV film reincarnations have come along in the past two decades. Why go over all this again with a look-alike cast of fashion models?
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It depends who you are, hardcore Trekkies starved of new Trek for over a decade probably loved that scene. I still quite enjoy it myself. I find myself surprised that Abrams liked that part of TMP when all the evidence points to this film being a vapid Nemesis 2.0. Plus, Michael Giacchino is going to struggle to come anywhere near Jerry Goldsmith's majestic score.
Anyway, why are the nacelles so close to the ship and why is the neck to the saucer section so far back? The nacelles are supposed to be far away from the ship for a reason. -
your link leads to a message board that requires registration. not a big help.
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...are not definitions of Weird. They are synonyms, all equally vague and subjective adjective. What you consider weird, or strange, or different or "otherly", depends on you alone, there is no universal consensus.
Thanks for explaining furhter though. I see what you are saying about the mish-mash. And i think that's what they were going for. I very much disagree that there is no consistency to it. All the designs they're used feel like they come from the same universe, and how about his for consistency: Saucer section, neck, two nacelles, a deflector dish and a bridge on top.
As you plainly mention in your last sentence, and i quote,"There will never be a finer starship design ever, so I guess everything else is a runner-up at best."
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He's thrown the history book out the window!!! Unfortunately it's blown back in and landed right back on his desk again.
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I'm sorry, but it looks like the fucking Enterprise to me. With all this talk of "masterful designs" of yore and "misplaced pylons", people seem to be forgetting the fact that, when you boil it down, this ship was based on two kazoos and a hair dryer. When I see this new design, I see the ENTERPRISE and it looks COOL. Sweating over the small details is pointless. Everyone probably has their own ideas of how it should look, and they're probably all different. This feels like Star Trek. And this feels like the classic Enterprise.
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So far, so good... here's hoping the trailer keeps the Trek love flowing!
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The Enterprise turns into a giant fucking robot with a laser sword and battles Cloverfield's daddy.
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Cuz its new and different, it should look exactly like the 10 cent piece of crap model from 1966 damnit! Seriously love it though, and from different angles i bet it will look even better...
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shoved too far forward
This design can't fucking touch the original nor especially the Original Movie version
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shorter, alot more bulk up front. Same with the nacelles. I dunno, I could get used to it, I'll wait it I can see it moving, could just be the camera angle.
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Good vibrations.
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I just knew it! Like the new ship!
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I'm waiting for Lucas to completely redo Ep. 4-6 --- you KNOW it will happen.
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Am I wrong?
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In which case I mucho say yes!!
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That looks like shit.
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Kneel before meh!
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There. I said it.
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Nov 11, 2008 8:41:27 PM CST
And if they went with EXACTLY the same design from the sixties..
by gabba-uk
EVERY single one of you whinging that you don't like this new design, would just choose to complain that they couldn't think of something new and fresh at all. You know it, I know it and every else knows it too.....
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it looks like one of those awful, distorted early 70s merchandising drawings done by people who didn't know (or care) how to draw the Enterprise.
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Anything is better than that Rick Berman lookin' stuff.
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people just like to bitch...bitch about remakes or reboots then bitch about any creativity that comes with it...I'm sure Michael Bay gives a shit what they say as he's setting fire to 100 dollars bills to light a smoke...
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The more things change.....
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Oh my motherf*chking shakaree! What the F is THAT? Please tell me this shit is a fake. Please tell me this is someone's mastabutory trek design? This can't be The star ship Enterprise!!!!!
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...You're kidding right?
It looks just like the fucking Enterprise.
I can't believe this shit.
Any nit-picking said, will be just to prove to people that YOU know more about the Enterprise than other people.
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Nov 11, 2008 9:13:33 PM CST
Saying that it doesn't look like the Enterprise means you are st
by tallboy66
Very stupid if you think that isn't instantly recognizable as the ole 1701.
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you'd think it had 16 nacelles on it or something, i dare someone to put up a comparison and point out where "JJ" is a hack.
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will look great, huh, JarJar?
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Jesus christ some of the Star Trek films were pretty damn weak. YES! they were.
He makes an entertaining Trek film then job done. He doesn't he fails.
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...had fanserfs following them around from village to village yelling about who's version of the same old Greek-derived stories was better.
"OMFG! He suxth! Philemon turned into a LINDEN TREE not an OAK!1!!1" "Wrongth, FAILETH! 'Twas a LINDEN!" -
...now get me some Slusho!
Here's what my trained eye tells me...no concave curve on the bottom of the saucer...which really never made any sense to begin with.
The neck is too far back into the Engineering hull, but they did fatten up the neck. The nacelle wings are arching slightly forward..not straight up and down.
And the single shuttle bay is back on the fantail where it belongs. Has anyone noticed the Null Number on the Bottom of the Engineeing Hull, facing down? Look at the wing of the shuttle craft, and you can clearly make out the 701, the wing makes it look like "a".
This has to be where the crew first goes up to the Enterprise, McCoy and Kirk flying up...Makes you think, are there transporters on this baby or what? Or are they going to say it's a time honored tradition to fly to your ship???
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Really. WHY WOULD YOU RUIN THE MOST ICONIC SHIP IN SCIENC FICTION? Oh Yeah--Because you have no idea what good design is or what feels like "Star Trek".
The lines and the flow of the ship are all wrong.
The Saucer is too big, the secondary hull with the deflector array sticks out too far forward, the neck now goes all the way to the back of the secondary hull, the pylons supporting the engines are a joke and the nacelles have no venting between them generate the warp field. I have no idea where they cram the shuttle bay on that piece of shit, but at this point I give up. Am I being too geeky? Sure--but the strength of the original ship (and the 1979 redesign) is that they look like functional space equipment. There was space for all the crew and equipment, and a balance in the design, the saucer and secondary hull being of equal weight, balanced even more by the large engines.
When you watch the re-mastered version of the original show, you see that you can take the original design and breath new life in it with lighting and detail. They could have made minor alterations and still had their movie. This is over designed, fan-art pabulum and signals the last interest I have in this bastard project.
I was willing to go along with the tinkering of events and the characters, with yet another time travel story and an alternate universe...but you don't fuck with the things that made it great.
Oh wait, in this day and age when people don't bother to think of new ideas and constantly re-make classic projects (almost always with disastrous results)why am I surprised...I guess Trek really did die when Berman and crew ran the franchise into the ground with Enterprise. And I bet the corporate masters at Paramount will stop making books in that universe in order to support this revamp piece of shit.
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who love the optimism and lack of prejudice in Star Trek, bitching about the redesign of the Enterprise=hypocrisy and a good laugh...
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Looks fucking sweet, but where the hell are the flames!?!?!
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And I've never been much of a fan of Star Trek. Trek seems to suck at least 50% of the time (whereas Star Wars sucks exactly 50% of the time). But I really liked what JJ did to the Godzilla genre with Cloverfield. It wasn't a masterpiece, but it was a totally fresh angle on a very tired idea. I'm hoping he can bring an equally fresh outlook to this tired franchise.
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Especially that one about the old Enterprise looking like "functional space equipment." It has a saucer, the most impractical space design possible. The Borg had functional space ships - a sphere or a cube. Anything else is just decoration.
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are replaced by propellers. As I've said before and I'll say again, as long as the story is good, then that's all I'll care about.
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Kirk the bad boy in a bar fight . . .
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Too bad all he has to do is please the general theater going audience and get good box office. I hope it rocks, but in a way that totally pisses off all of the hardcore trek fans. In fact, I hope Kirk and Spock go gay for each other.
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they showed 4 scenes...really
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It's got the basic design very right, which is more than most people do with a lot of remakes. I don't much mind the nacelle updates, but the secondary hull just seems too stubby, like it needs to go back just a little bit farther to give the nacelles more space from the saucer section. The saucer is very big compared to the secondary, alot of Enterprise D did. Other than that, it really looks like a nice meshing of the original series ship and the refit from the motion pictures.
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If anything was ever designed by a committee, this was. Completely unbalanced aesthetically. I bet real money that talented artists in preproduction came up with some amazing shit, and then the notes from the production office started to pour in. Geez, what a mish-mash.
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as usual.
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Nov 11, 2008 10:19:46 PM CST
As a SW nerd, this is where I just sit back and enjoy the show
by finky089
fight! fight! fight!
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!Wow...I mean...HAHAHAHA! Crickey that looks silly. I mean, I wasn't expecting much, but I was expecting something. The CG Enterprise on the updated ST:OS looks terrific and would look great on the big screen. This new Enterprise looks like it was designed by the same team who thought up the new K.I.T.T.
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My first reaction is that it appears to be a bit oddly proportioned. Will have to see more shots from different angles. Looks pretty good. Faithful to the basic original design.
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To steal a quote from George Takei.
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Damn, that was one of the funniest posts I ever read!
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This is a terrific design. The only thing that I think would have done differently would be to make the engine struts curve backwards and move the engine a bit more back from the dish. Other than that, I'm shocked at how great the design is.
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Good to know your whiney asses won't be at the theater when I go to see this. Right? You won't show up, RIGHT? Please tell me you'll be home mistrrhappy, kabong, Bones, 420 Boylston St, and anyone else who loose their shit after seeing one tiny picture from one perspective. If I hear just one of you whiney-ass nerds bitching about the fucking spaceship, I swear you'll have the Mother of All Swirlies befall you!
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Take a look at my posts in the other Star Trek talkbacks re: the Enterprise design. (Maybe all my public bitching about it made the powers-that-be at Paramount decide they needed to release a picture of the thing now... yes, that's kinda-sorta a joke.) But speaking of inside ST details... Hey, J.J. -- when are you gonna confirm that the Big E does an atmo dive in the film just like the Galactica? ;-)
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You were right, good call/sources. I just hope it's not a total clusterfuck and something good comes from this. Who knows...
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It should never happen. Both are classic designs and are iconic to their particular series.A Millennium Falcon redesigned to generally look like the original design, but slicked up to look like it could actually do the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs would take away from the mystique of the ship.The Enterprise looked like it was built for rugged space travel, yet also looked like it would need a damn good engineer to keep it going. It felt like an old Ford truck. Trusty, powerful and built for longevity. This new design makes it look like a rice burner. Always having to drive awkwardly over a speed bump as to not do any damage.
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Abrams is a weird, toad-looking fucker, so it doesn't surprise me that this fucked up design would appeal to him. Cool? Mainstream? You've gotta be kidding. It looks like a Moen kitchen faucet assembly is holding up a pewter manhole cover. Total utter geek abomination.
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This poor design doesn't make a poor movie. It does detract from the VFX aspect for some. We don't all attend the movie for the same reasons. You're welcome to disagree, naturally.
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And let's hope this is a good movie first, good Trek a distant second. I love Star Trek, but people who think that Rodenberry shits gold and Berman sucks all manner of dick are fucking stupid.
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...So...now whadda ya wanna do?
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of a copy, of a copy, of a copy, of a copy, of a copy, of a dead tv-show
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they'll be seeing this movie 8 times instead of 10 times because of your slight changes to the Enterprise, JJ!
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The design looks stupid. After all those pictures I liked... this is THE ONE PICTURE that should have rocked. But I had to laugh and weep at the same time.
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It looks like something extruded out of a targ's anus.Somewhere, Matt Jeffries is rolling in his grave...
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Changed up a little, but instantly recognizable to even the most casual fan. I don't see a reason for all the drama.
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Holy fuck there is some retarded whining on here. LIGHTEN UP. There is a NATION of Comic Book Guys out there.
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And there's two of 'em and some kinda vagina thingie too! Aw, shite . . . I love it and I hate it. Its like owning that car you always wanted and then the new model comes out and you're pissed as hell about it, but then the envy kicks in.
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Along with the casting of someone from every popular film and TV series of the last six years, this 'new' if you can call it that Enterprise is just part of a long campaign by the hack director and studio to get people talking about a shitty original series that spawned some pretty awful films that less and less of its own fans saw at the cinema.
Star Trek never had repeat business in the theatres because it rarely has business, it wont be any different now, non fans just won't be interested, Trek is too deeply uncool, doesn't matter who you populate the cast with, or how you redesign the ship with, or whether its a reboot or not, its actually not, its a prequel. Get over it.
As with the prequel Star Wars films, will you really ever give a fuck knowing none of the main cast is in danger, and that regardless of what the enemy is nothing serious will happen to anyone? Not one single piece of information released so far indicates this film will be anything other than pointless. It still feels lazily cast, poorly conceived and marketed in such a way, that you losers moan and whinge about it, much as Star Wars fans do, so you'll see it 2-3 times. I seriously doubt it'll make anywhere near the money that Iron Man made, or Bond, or any of the big films this year. Trek has zero appeal to people outside Trek fans. -
Best Enterprise Ever.
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The litmus test will be how this movie holds up in comparison with the remastered eps of the original series. Shit, I figured the whole reason they were pushing the remastered series so hard was so that it would make for a smoother segway into this new franchise. I'm not gonna slit my wrist over this meh-tastic new design but it does kinda miss the mark. The main I'm worried about is whether this film will really capture the spirit of TOS. Science Fiction dealing with the human condition as opposed to mindless "sci-fi". I think Abrams is smart enough. We'll see.
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I'm not expecting magic from this movie and I've got all the Star Trek I need right now. We'll see.
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I agree with Bill Clay. It's the Enterprise. It seems a cross between the ST-TMP design and the original 70's Phase II design for the aborted Phase II TV series. The original Phase II design was in many ways the basis for what became the sleeker ST-TMP ship. Somewhere on the net is a bit of video and also a few production stills from that 70's series, including pictures of the (unfinished) Phase II Enterprise model. There is also a digital rendition at the Star Trek Phase II (formerly New Voyages) site. This new ship reminds me of that. I'm not crazy about the nacelle "hoods" but I'll get used to it. I do HATE what I have seen so far of the new bridge.
My biggest concern at this point is the re-characterization of Kirk as a bad boy hero type. That, more than anything else I've seen so far, locks the film into the present day. I suppose that re-boot can also mean re-characterization but that goes a bit far. Kirk has indeed become more like Finnegan from "Shore Leave," whereas it was often implied in the original show that Kirk was a bit of a grind when it came to studies and occasionally a bit too serious, though always a ladies man of course :) Then again, re-characterization has happened before. Kirk the interventionist liberal of the 60's became Kirk the "cold warrior" in Star Trek VI. Even accounting for a reaction to his son being killed by Klingons, I thought that was a bit much and forced in order to set up a commentary on the then current political situation. In my view, Abrams was not the first to rewrite or at least reorient canon to suit the present perceived need.
So anyway, back on topic, some of the elements in Abrams design actually reference Trek Arcana in the form of Phase II. Maybe that thought will make it a bit easier for the hardcore Trek purists to take.
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Warp engines are sleaker, belly is thinner. Other than that, she looks about the same as Trek 6. Good job, JJ.
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I'd say I'm an average Star Trek fan. I've liked the occasional Trek movie, seen most if not all of the original series. I watched most of Next Generation and a lot of DeepSpace Nine. Hated almost all of Enterprise and a lot of Voyager. Yet what did I think when I saw this picture? 'Wow, looks exactly like the original ship. Oh wait, I guess those warp engine things are a bit sleeker...' It does the job for me - looks mostly like the original Enterprise but with some minor touchups. But a LOT of people are are complaining about what seems to be tiny things - you'd have to have stared at the original ships for hours at a time or studied the technical readouts or something to not only see all those changes, but be *offended* by them! Guys, it's just a dang Star Trek movie, get over it. Star Trek has never really been serious, nor have they ever cared about sticking to canon or changing things up. If this movie tells a fun story (Star Trek has always been about the stories) and has some cheesy but fun effects, that's all that matters.
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Is all I'll say.
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I don't know what people are complaining about. Bunch of Asperger's babies.
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I’m picky about many things, and especially Enterprise, my baby, the greatest of all spaceships, and far and away, the most famous. I jealously guard my adoration for this vessel. As a kid, I built the AMT model kits, even the ones with the fiber optic lights. I illustrated the ship unofficially in my homemade comic book stories, and I illustrated it officially for DC Comics’ adaptations.
I knew USS Enterprise. I worked with USS Enterprise. Senator, that’s no USS Enterprise.
LOL! Joking.
But this new version will have to grow on me--- like a fungus.
My initial reaction is that I don’t like the altered lines, or the added bulk. There’s a clear sequel series influence that smacks of the usual retroactive prequel irritation. Obviously, this is a marriage of the original show design, and all the subsequent growth of ideas from TNG to Voyager to that Bakula craptaculah, Enterprise.
It’s a little funny to see that some fans still spout about how much this new Trek is deviating from the original Trek canon. Hello??? Anybody home? This is the whole point. The producers aim to cheat things wherever they choose, revamping with abandon, while managing to throw diehard Trek purists the occasional "bone."
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but more Aerodynamic. It's just a ship and it'll do fine. Whether the movie is good is another thing. Let's hope so eh!
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I guess if it ain't broke,......
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I mean, a bit. A bit.
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........ It's often seen as uncool to like Star Trek. Settle down people, please. Let's see the movie, and hope they've done as good a job as they seem to think they have, then this film can make a ton of money worldwide and we'll finally have a truly big budget trek film series to enjoy. (No offence to 1st contact or even Wrath of Khan, but they are not in the same financial class as the Spielberg type blockbuster money when it comes to budget).
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This is worse than the nipples on the batsuit fiasco
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I was expecting something more I guess. I'm not really wowed.
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the Enterprise? Actually JJ's Enterprise looks pretty good
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Has the ultimate trek episode.
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Lets hope you're paying as much attention to the script as you are to your credit placing. I'm waiting for you to prove me wrong.
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The neck is way too far back. Makes the whole ship look stunted. And you're right about the nacelles.
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marvellous
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...well the design looks fine, although I felt no real emotion when I saw the picture which I thought I would.
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It's like you never listened to any common sense criticism for the last 30 years. It's fucking science-fiction, and there's more important stuff out there to obsess over. "I felt no real emotion when I saw the picture." I'm sure JJ and Paramount are gonna lose plenty of sleep because their Enterprise shot didn't give you a hard-on. And as far as the nacelles go... well... GET A FUCKING LIFE.
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...sticking outta the side? Look out... that's not "canon"... trekkers are gonna scream!
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and that is always fun...
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...wonder if JJ and Paramount are going to lose any sleep if this movie bombs? But you are right, the there are more important things in the world. Well let us all hope the film does not bomb because it is great, and that we get some great sci fi movies next summer, what with Avatar also coming...
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...which is fantastic! The Enterprise looks gorgeous. Can't wait for the trailer on Friday, it's gonna silence the doubters. Roll on May '09!
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Who cares Star Trek is dead anyway.
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I would like to know, because that person will be out of a job soon, and with the holidays coming up I'd like to send his family some money for food. The one thing I am waiting for, however, is the new Capt. Kirk figure, as portrayed by that wonderful actor from the tweeney bopper films, Chris Pinesol, which will have a sort of kung-fu style grip so he can squeeze Uhura's boobs, just like in the movie. Roberto Orci, you've clearly outdone yourself with this masterpiece.
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Dear Sir (possibly ma'am. It is the Interwebz, after all.),
You're correct in stating that design is but one component of the overall impact a film may have. However, you say "poor design" as if this is empirical truth. It's, like, your OPINION, man! I mean, which Enterprise iteration is your basis of comparison? Are you basing your design view on archetypes, a la "circles=earth mother"? -
...until we see what it looks like after it transforms into a robot.
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Slingshotting around the sun to travel through time is for losers. LOOOOOOSERS!!!
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Man, you'd think someone just called your mother a bad name or something. Look...Paramount owns the rights to Trek, and they have gone to ILM for Enterprise refreshes EVERY SINGLE TIME! Going all the way back from 'Star Trek: The Motion Picture' to now. Next Gen Enterprise...ILM...Original cast movies...ILM...Next Gen cast movies...ILM...Don't blame J.J. Abrahms...he didn't design the freakin' thing...Go bug the people at Paramount and the artists at ILM if you've got a gripe.
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I'm not wild about it, I don't hate it. But, I seem to remember that the Enterprise is the one thing that wouldn't be messed with. So I assumed we would be getting TOS Enterprise with better textural upgrades. Seeing what they've tried to do makes much more sense than just updating the textures, given the look of Trek, but I wonder where all that came from? It was obviously erroneous information. Anyway.. if the movie is good, the detailed design of this version of the ship is less important to me. We'll see what happens. Kevin Smith's report gives me an immense amount of hope.
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Me likey, 'nuff said.
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Some of the lines/curves seem to be inspired by cars from the 1950's thus giving it an instant classic design feel. Maybe it's me. I've always liked Klingon ships better though.
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'nuff said.
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This is terrible - everyone knows that the circumference of the hull on the original Enterprise was 4567.3269 meters. This Enterprise looks like it's circumference is 4567.3276 meters. And the color shade is .47 chromules lighter that the original. This picture has convinced me that there is no god, JJ is an empty shell of a sub-human with no intestines, and all of the worlds children should be ritualisticly sacrificed so that they won't have to grow up in a world where an Enterprise such as this can exist.
Can you believe some of the crap that these people can actually complain about!!!!! It's the Enterprise - I like the ship well enough, but its a simple design. A frisbee, three cigars and a few popsicle sticks can do a good enough job of representing it on the big screen. -
Holy crap, look at all the complainers. Chris Pine was a horrible choice for Kirk and that's the main problem with the film. Let's stay on message here, folks.
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Why would I even expect someone in Hollywood to respect Matt Jeffries' production design? The only reason it looked "fake" in the original series was because it was constructed out of plywood. It's disappointing that no one in Hollywood seems capable of accepting the challenge of making the original design work instead of simply layering today's iPhone/iMac design sensibilities overtop of it. Ah, well - as a "reimagining," I still hope it's good, but it'll never be TREK.
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For the BIG NEWS!!! It's the enterprise... never seen that before.... yaaaaawn...
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When people see this bastardized version of the Enterprise and they say it looks identical to the original series, it explains the functional illiteracy rates in the world. The classic ship is identical to this turd? Really? So I guess Rosie O'Donnell looks identical to Megan Fox. After all, they both have dark hair and tits, right? The only good thing about getting to finally see Jar Jar's new 'old' ship is that it definitively answers the question that he and his production toadies have refused to answer: yes snot eaters, it IS a total Battlestar Galactica style REIMAGINING of the Star Trek franchise. Everyone is now free to decide if it's worth the money to become nostalgically reinvested in some hack's attempt to make money off a dead horse.
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for linking us to some other website's exclusive images.
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...but the engineering section just looks weird, the rear part. Roddenberry's perogative in the basic Ent design was this it conveys a feeling of power, it looks like you get that speedboat-yacht look here.
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(1) Looks like pieces of Gabe "SooperNerd" Kroener's designs got stolen, in some places on this model.(2) Damn, that's a fugly ship. Very, VERY FUGLY. That is all.
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Yes there were toys of the Enterprise when the '79 movie came out--I had them.
One of which was very cool, you could take the Enterprise apart and reconfigure her into different classes of ships...which is where I started loving how well the ship was designed...and why this ship is disappointing...almost as much as people's lack of understanding as to why this design doesn't work.
I get it--you guys never cared about the ship--if it slooks somewhat the same you are satisfied. If he was going to do this, he should not have Leonard Nimoy in it at all...just have it completely seperate from the original universe...but he is trying to hedge his bets.
I am not a fan of the redesign of Battlestar Galactica, other than it's abillity to pull it's fighter bays into it's sides--but that show went out of it's way to say it was something new. This film is all about "come back to the beginning, but a new beginning that is not the real beginning, it is the beginning that we are going to give you, so you better like it or you get nothing..."
And to that, I say...I have hundreds of hours of Star Trek that I already love...good luck with this...
The sad thing is that this will be a hit, like that abortion of a movie, Transformers, because modern audiences are not discriminating in their tastes. IF it has millions of dollars of marketing, people will go and see it. If only there was a giant young actor in the cast who could die of an accidental drug overdose so the film could be the second highest moneymaker of all time... -
Gay STINO.
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The shttiest part of that universe. Sorry but it looks like a kid came up with that design. And no it doesn't look like anything we'd put into space in reality. The fact is, Star Wars has much better designed tech. Hell pretty much every other sci-fi film has better ship designs.
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but comparing the two, I like the color design of the current. It brings out the detail and scope of the ship. The MP ship was too white to give it scale, even though the model was huge.
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Alright, so in looking at it, the neck of my TOS model is actually set just as far back from the deflector dish. I think it is that the ship is not long enough so the scale is all messed up - making it look squished. Anyhow. I am going out to do something productive now and get some sunlight.
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THIS WILL OWN.
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i watched the original series...there hasnt been a single thing about this movie that i havnt been excited about... so fuck the trekky nay-sayers.
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This is very funny! http://tinyurl.com/newent
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. . . are endlessly amusing in their sanctimonious bloviating about nacelle hoods etc. What a tight-assed bunch of joyless fossils. If this film is fun (which it looks like it will be) it's going to be the highest-grossing Trek ever.
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Props to Gabe Koerner for Pwning an entire production's design staff.
If they repeat it enough - you will believe... it's not a beauty parlor's blowdryer.
It used to be military naval vessel cavemen - try banging the rocks together.
Godzilla - Lost in Space - Superman Returns - Star Trek.
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Pissed Off And Bitter is right, the Enterprise always did look a mess. How is it that the Romulans have better looking ships, and even the Klingons and everybody else for that matter??? I always thought that hurt the show somehow and even the movies. The Enterprise is just not sexy enough. It doesn't make you say..."Damn, that is one of the coolest things that I have ever seen!!!" I think it is time for a total reboot of Star Trek from top to bottom, and just focus it a little further in the future with a more realistic, functional real world look...ala Aliens.
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This is the 23rd century after all...
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...and that little venture turned out ok, didn't it? Simmer down, fuckwits.
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The Enterprise-D could not even take a torpedo shot without Worf saying that the shields were down to 2%. This NCC-1701 better be able to get caned....
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Aliens? Really? If they're going to do such a radical reboot, why call it Star Trek? Maybe they should call it Enterprise? Oh wait.. they tried that...
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right this is it im sorry i apologise i never come on here and bitch and wine about stuff but this looks crap. Maybe ill eat my words next year and actually enjoy it but im really starting to feel that this reeboot is a really bad idea. THAT is not the starship enterprise not the one i loved when i was growing up this is some cheap half arsed attempt to make money out of a franchise that produced wonderment for millions and had its day. Why in gods name are they doing this captain Kirk IS will shatner plain and simple. Leonard nimoy IS spock. Nothing will ever change that, they have had those characters for decades why cant they leave this alone, i am telling you all right now this is going to be a massive dissapointment something you will have to convince yourselves that is good when in the back of your mind you will know the truth, it just isnt right. The Star Trek motion pictures should have been allowed to live on in dvd with fathers sitting their sons down and showing them the story's they loved as a kid not raped on the big screen.
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by the way is anyone else feeling Chris Pine as a possibility for Captain America? Personally i dont know coz i aint seen him act but i bet you the studios will seriouslly think of him for a choice
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Looks just like the Enterprise C from Next Gen. Any pics of the Classic Vette?
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I understand your points. If they just had to make a TOS-oriented Trek film, IMHO they should have left Kirk alone and done the voyages of Enterprise under Captain Pike with a young Spock coming into his own.
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Nov 12, 2008 3:01:47 PM CST
I'll accept this movie as a reboot.......but DEFINITELY NOT CANN
by mike hunt
Chekov and Kirk the same age (on the TV series, Kirk was 34 when Chekov was 22)? Also, it was always obvious that Dr. McCoy was about 10 years older than Kirk.........but they're the SAME AGE in this movie?!?!?!?!?!?! I can overlook minor inconsistencies in cannon, but these are too obvious too accept!
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Don't tell these JJ Abram's personal scrotum sucking fans..., WHO I BELIEVE ARE PLANTS from Bad Robot, the truth! These guys think everything he does is gold. Like that piece of shit called Mission Impossible 3. For Paramount to higher this guy who IS NOT A FAN of the series is telling me they don't give a shit about the material and they don't know what to so with it. This is suppose to be a re-imagination of the classic series? The Enterprise looks like some kid designed it. This is horrible! Star Trek is dead.
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Looks Just like the Starship Enterprise!
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Nov 12, 2008 4:12:47 PM CST
Richievanderlow, FilmFunk Said It, The Surprise Big, No Surprise
by media messiah
The tv series Enterprise didn't have the Aliens looks, nor do I think it had a functional look, that was the promise, but it was not delivered, those sets looked like cardboard!!!
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Did you notice how everything shifted from two back to back Talkbacks that were highly negative about the new Trek film, to suddenly this one, where all of these people whom I've never seen post before on AICN.com, start claiming that the Enterprise looks great and how they can't wait to see the film??? Talk about suspect!!!
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Trek works better as a series. No way these actors would settle for a weekly show after a feature.
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I would like someone to explain intelligently what exactly they have a problem with in this picture. It's the FUCKING ENTERPRISE. Saucer. Hull. Nacelles. WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU WANT? I'm a FAN and I don't want to be associated with you whiney bastards because it's just gotten ridiculous. Don't like the cast? Fine. Haven't seen them act yet but whatever. Don't like the small amount of the story you know about? Fine. Haven't seen the movie yet but fuck it, whatever. Don't like that the production team "doesn't care about the fans" that, you know, didn't turn out to support the last batch of films? Well, never mind that they included LEONARD FUCKING NIMOY in the film even though there's not a SINGLE non-fan movie goer who could give a shit about seeing him on screen, but yea, they must not care at all. But to look at that picture and HONESTLY say things like "This isn't Trek!", "People who like this are PLANTS!" ,"I'm going to DIE ALONE!" , etc.. just makes you look infinitely beyond pathetic. No one can look at that picture and honestly say it doesn't look like the Enterprise. No one. Show it to any person on the street who isn't obsessed with the different Klingon dialects, and they'll say, "oh yea, the Enterprise, haven't I seen that a million fucking times?" Yes. Yes we have. And it's the same goddamn ship. Call me a plant. A fucking venus fly trap plant that will kill you on sight if you bitch about the nacelle scoops or whatever within earshot of me.
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Here's what Entertainment Weekly says...J.J. Abrams wasn't a huge fan of the original Star Trek TV series as a kid, but he does have one unabashed gee-whiz Star Trek memory: watching the first feature film (1979's Star Trek: The Motion Picture) and marveling over the big reveal of the Enterprise during a long sequence in which James T. Kirk takes a slow-boat tour around the iconic starship. "The coolest thing about it -- maybe the coolest thing in the movie -- was when you flew around the ship, you could see all the different panels that made up the ship," says the director of the forthcoming Trek reboot, It's bad nes for me. I went to see that movion my very first date and guess what..? Yup, you guessed it - I fell asleep because of the long, boring tour around the ship. Shit.
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What the fuck do people need to get you to not close your eyes and fall asleep as soon as the lighting in a room is dimmed ?
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how does this ship get into space? haha rolling start? it looks liek youd have to throw it like a paper airplane or something. i love it regardless, but the question came to me.
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Nov 12, 2008 6:23:17 PM CST
How exactly does Media Messiah smell plants on a computer screen
by smashing
It's highly illogical to suggest any aromas are arising from the reading of words, unless his username is more than a screen jockeys handle.
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It was refitted before Kirk got command.
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...I kinda have to agree with you both. Things seem greener than usual here. I'm certainly not one to scream 'plant' in TBs, and have been accused of being one in the past, but for Geek Central...a great number of people are certainly in that 'wait and see' mode that most knee-jerk nerds usually don't get into...You know what I would love to see implemented? A 'member since' date plastered next to each screen name. It would cut out a lot of speculation on what's what when a screen name was only created the very day of the article it's responding to. Just a thought.
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the FIRST thing they would have done is got rid of that stupid saucer, maybe reconfigured those nacelles a little, a flame here, a nipple there... more chrome... maybe some HYDRAULICS and the all-important SUBWOOFER... maybe THEN we'd all have an Enterprise we could all get behind!
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Just because I don't post on here every ten minutes doesn't mean I haven't been hanging around here reading these moronic Talkbacks for, uh... years now. Just because I'm suspending disbelief and looking forward to a fun movie or god-forbid BEING POSITIVE does not ipso facto make me a "plant" you fucking cunts. Go fuck yourselves.
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if you're all popping a gasket over the stupid nacelles being different than the original ship or some trivial details like that, then the lot of you need to get laid as soon as fucking possible!
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Yes, there definately needs to be some kind of "Member Since, and Date" stamp on each posting...as well as date info on one's last post entry. I'd also like to see a message in-box supplied to everyone who is a poster, so we can click on each other's names and send private emails back and forth. As well, I would love an edit button for posts and their headings. I hate to make typos!!!
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Those execs at Paramount must be smoking lots of Mary Jane if they think we are going to buy all of their planted pro-Star Trek reboot hype being posted here by their subordinates!!! That's the plant I'm smelling, and the scent of Mary Jane is everywhere. It sure ain't vagina, so it must be weed!!!
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...oh, you mean like every other forum on the internet????? Yes, those space age forum features would be nice. But alas, this is AICN, trapped in amber since 1998.
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I may be high, and I may like Star Track franchise rebutts... but I don't work for anyone.
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it figures, star trek fan, high and dont work for anyone....
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Nov 13, 2008 2:36:02 AM CST
Who cares when AVATAR is fucking our eyeballs in 2009?
by motoko kusanagi
nobody
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AICN.com would be so much cooler with that stuff, photo icons and all for posters, and profiles and said posters, etc. NIN.com even has those features, at least most of them anyway.
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Nov 13th, 2008
02:44:26 AM
AICN.com would be so much cooler with that stuff, photo icons and all for posters, and profiles for said posters, etc. NIN.com even has those features, at least most of them anyway.
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I watched the show a ton, and like the movies enough, but I couldn't differentiate Enterprises from one movie to the next.
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Nov 13, 2008 6:43:24 AM CST
Motoko Kusanagi=you gonna Hate yourself when Avatar come out...
by j2talk
all this love for Avatar? Why?!?!?!?!?
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And it's only lunch time, oh dear oh dear.
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So the Trek guys screwed over the MI franchise and the man who mended that one (JJ) now saves the B&B ruined Trek, a certain poetic justice seems to be at work. Maybe Joss Whedon can do DS9TNG?
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Good to have you back. So what's all this about plants?
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Yeah I'm back, it is good to be so, I moved into a new flat and to my horror there was no phone box so I had to save up £150 to get BT to install one, that took me like 5 months as I smoke too much of the aforementioned plants. I like the ship design too, I never saw your thoughts after the Who finale, did you love it or despise it's camp frothery?
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This Enterprises’ Warp Nacells are oddly shaped and worse, poorly positioned. From an engineering stance, aren’t the Warp Nacells separated from the rest of the ship’s fuselage in the event of a localized catastrophe? I can’t see any ship-wide explosion being avoided if those puppies go up in flames – they’re merely too close to the saucer section. I also have aesthetic reservations about their positioning, but I digress. I do agree with some of the other TBs in that the story is most paramount (pun not intended). But is the same true for a film that features one of the most iconic spacecrafts in sci-fi?
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Several folk myself included have already mentioned the plants in this and the last few talkbacks, compared to the amount of posters the offical forum for the movie has there is no way they can be everywhere on the net posting positive drivel....so they getting some much needed backup. Even forums that have nothing to do with movie news usually will have a general thread where someone will post about looking forward to a certain film, only this one seems to be way off everyones radar and worse still if it actually is they don't care for it. May will be ruled by Wolverine until Terminator comes along and this Trek film sandwiched between will fade away fast.
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****Yes, there definately needs to be some kind of "Member Since, and Date" stamp on each posting...as well as date info on one's last post entry****
I agree this would be appropriate, and yes I believe strongly these posters saying positive things about the film are plants! Some measures need to be implemented.
This film is supposed to be a reboot of the classic series but yet JJ ABRAMS shit on everything from the series. Having two blow dryers as nacelles or having the bridge look like a futuristic oxygen parlor is not cool nor is it respectful. None of the actors look anything like the original cast especially the guy playing Kirk and Simon P. PEGG? WTF!
As for the comment by some JJ Abrams scrotum sucker, it's the cliched thing to say by these hollywood guys, who are normally ten years too late on fads, will attack a reader about needing to get laid when we're telling the truth about their movie. But for these guys who wrote Felicity and Six Degrees, and Fringe it's expected. It's becoming clear who you are everytime you fudge packers write a comment. Knock it off! Grow some balls and come out like B-Dub Bruce Willis and talk a whole lot of bullshit about a movie that rapes everything cool about a franchise. I hated him doing it but at least he gets respect for coming out clean as a supporter than pretending he/she is one of us! -
Ah, the usual RTD thing - I loved the emotion of it (because if there's one thing RTD does BRILLIANTLY, it's great big epic adventures) and really enjoyed the full-on return of Davros! Some great scenery-chewing dialogue for him, and throwing in the Doctor's face all the chaos and terror that follows in his wake was great. "I have shown you yourself!" Fantastic stuff... and almost the end of the TARDIS too!!!
However...
Can't complain about a gay agenda here - at last RTD's letting the characters be themselves - not so great in the case of Captain Jack, who isn't so much a tick-on-the-"gay character"-box this time, more a 2-dimensional caricature, the sad uncle in his 40s who still thinks he's 17 and sexy. It was nice to see everyone in the TARDIS at the end, the most like a family the Doctor's had since the Time WAr, and then the fantastic way RTD puts on Donna a fate worse than death...
There was so much in it that was close to greatness, but then the usual half-arsed can't-be-bothered RTD approach to consistency and logic took over. Towing the Earth was spectacular AND stupid - why no one line of technobabble about forcefields and gravity shields or whatever to explain why the Earth didn't freeze or lose its atmosphere? Just a little more attention to detail could've made the best RTD finale to date also the most consistent, intelligently written and great! But no - emotion > logic, spectacle > sense, broad stroke characters > nuanced character performances, as with every RTD finale. Lots to recommend it though - Davros' scheme really was EPIC this time! - and loved how he left the Doctor how we first saw him in ROSE - the Lonely God, on his way to save an uncaring universe. Moffat's got the same blank slate to work from as RTD gave himself, and you have to give the man props for that.
All in all - not much for me to hate on, really - actually quite enjoyed it! Waaaaaay better than that Master storyline that closed off Series 3 with a big shit on the mythology - Dobby the Time Elf my arse!!!
There's a fantastic picture on FilmDrunk where some sarcastic fan (probably an AICNer) has taken the Enterprise picture on here and modified it, Michael Bay style. FLAMES ON THE ENTERPRISE!!!
Well worth checking out. Welcome back, Smashing, and look forward to clashing / agreeing (depending how it goes!) on the DR WHO CHRISTMAS SPECIAL. Only 42 days to go!!!
Oh, and Smashing... PLAAAAAAANT!!! -
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I saw it on the screen right before Quantum today.
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