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Is WONDER WOMAN Zeroing In On Her Director??
Merrick here...
This should've been posted yesterday, but anything that could get in the way...well...got in the way.
In short: IESB is reporting that a particular director's name is "circling" the long-in-development WONDER WOMAN movie project. It's not clear at this time if said director is actually attached to the project already, or simply one on a rabble of candidates who may be under consideration.
Said director's name? McG.
Given that TERMINATOR SALVATION is a Warners film and WONDER WOMAN is as well, this kind of migration/attachment makes sense in many political ways. And, given the surprising okayness of recently leaked TERMINATOR SALVATION footage, maybe this news isn't as icky as it might once have seemed.
Of course, I haven't seen TERMINATOR SALVATION, so what do I know?
Read more details...
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This news comes shortly after the revelation that Beyonce wants to play Wonder Woman (HERE) and has already met with Warners & DC towards this end.
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Why? Really?
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Does every superhero really deserve a movie?
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And more importantly, do we want it to?
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crawling around in a WW costume. She looks hot in a skimpy outfit, and that's all I expect from WW. (Not to mention this casting choice alone would negate all the feminist bullshit connected to Wonder Woman, and turn the character into a sex object, like she should be) I say go for it WB. On a more serious note, I like McG (and the fact he refuses to change name for the whiney masses of bitches). This is good news.
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Beyonce would be fantastic if she was a little taller. 5' 6¼" (1.68 m) isn't really Amazonian is it?
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And here, I was all prepared to take it. I was all set on doing some little soapbox rant about female empowerment. You know, the kind of thing Joss may have done or something. But now, I say TITS or GTFO.
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Seriously, she sounds so labored when she's trying to speak and use proper grammar.. She's way too ghetto to pull this off. If Jada Pinkett Smith was a foot taller, she would be perfect if they wanted to go the route of having a black lead in the role. Hell, even Rihanna, if she wanted to act, could do it, but not beyonce. Unless shes been working with a language coach like OJ did when he wanted to be a sportscaster..
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Beyonce', sometimes hot...sometimes not.... I'm not ready for her Jelly as Wonder Woman though.
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Don't get me wrong, she is a beautiful woman. But IF they want a successful movie they have to stay close to the source material and that does not include Beyonce. Eliza Dushku would be better and I DON'T want her playing WW.
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Nov 11, 2008 9:26:39 AM CST
Beyonce, McG...Shit, just Sharon Stone and complete the suckage
by spyguy
I'll be reading my George Perez WW trades until Warner Bros. wakes the fuck up.
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Wonder Woman is not meant for the big screen. It will look campy and silly. But hey its not my millions being invested in this.
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Really? Omfg- is this going to be the new Batman and Robin or Catwoman? Wonder Woman with an urban twist!
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and I'm sold.I could give a shit about being "faithful to the source material" or any other ridiculous. As long as they get someone HOT to play Wonder Woman, and she doesn't wear too much clothing, I'm good.
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Why not? Makes as much sense as Beyonce as Wonder Woman.
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frollicking about. Perhaps have many "discoveries" along the way. Maybe that's how Wonder Woman got the "Wonder" in her name...some deep personal moments with fellow amazons...
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Charlies Angles is one thing, but he's moved on. He's not going to want ruin the career momentum with a flick that has Beyonce in it. I don't believe DC or Warners would consider it either. A chubby little pop singer as WW? C'mon. This story is a transparent plant by Beyonce's publicist.
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It's very rare to find a tall, naturally raven haired, blue-eyed beauty, with great big natual breasts, who can act. I've got zero problem with a woman of mixed race, as long as she has big ole titties and can act, I'll be happy. Of course a talented director is even more important than the casting ofthe lead role.
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I remember when i was a nipper and Chris Reeve was cast as Superman. There has never been a complaint i've ever heard or read about that choice. Despite the fact that the old Wonder Woman tv show contains enough cheese to clog up the Suez canal, the casting of Lynda Carter was right on the money. They used to track people down, no matter how long it took, who i used to assume came from glass cases that said "break glass in case of need of Superman, Wonder Woman look-a-like". The choices made now are just shite and baffling, more shite than anything.
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I'm not even going to complain about remakes or reboots (what the fuck is the difference?). My issue is that EVERY fucking character must now be black.
I Am Legend - White guy becomes Will Smith
iRobot - Ditto
Karate Kid - White skinned Italian magically transforms into Will Smith's kid
Wonder Woman - White big breasted brunette turns into Black big breasted pop star
Iron Man - Nick Fury is no longer a white bad ass, he's Shaft.
Hitchhiker's Guide - Ford Prefect goes from a snarky white dude to wacky black dude.
And look, I'm not opposed to a lot of this shit but come on when will it stop?! Are we going to start taking traditionally black characters and turn them white? Is a reboot of Shaft with Vin Diesel as the lead in the works? How bout Candyman, starring Javier Bardem? Kevin Spacy as Martin Luther King in "I Have a Dream"? Simon Pegg as Barack Obama in "Yes, We Can!"? -
Marvel decides to create a game plan, a cohesive universe, with single-character films with solid talent both in front of and behind the camera (so far), leading up to a fanboy culmination film adaptation of "The Avengers."
WB decides that since superheroes are kewl and they can't get a handle on anyone except Superman and Batman, they'll toss everyone they have left into a poorly-thought-out "Justice League" movie. Until, of course, that falls apart for all the obvious reasons (the strike helped, of course), which gives them a reason to rethink their plan and come up with something that emulates and possibly improves upon Marvel's plan...until "The Dark Knight" comes out and makes them think that dark superheroes are kewl. And since they don't have a handle on anyone but Batman by now...well, wash, rinse, repeat.
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Amen to everything you said.
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with limited screen time for her, they could pull this off. Otherwise, I just cant see this translating well to the screen. The outfit, the invisible plane...its got bad idea written all over it.
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I'd rather see Phillis Diller as Wonder Woman than Beyonce.
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Shut the fuck up. Seriously. The only point you have is the one at the top of your head.
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Don't know how tall she is but she does remind me of Linda Carter...
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I cant decide which potential hire makes me more filled with dread.
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please not a black Wonder Woman.
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I understand that the old comic book heroes were mostly white, and they should be updated for a new age. I get that. But Wonder Woman is one of the BIG THREE. You don't take Spider-Man and make him a black dude. Wonder Woman is iconic, and yes, white. I'm sorry. Having a woman comic book hero should be enough. If Beyonce does get this role, I will pass, thankyouverymuch. Totally wrong.
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Just for the record the reboot of candyman that they are working on right know is supposed to feature a caucasian candyman
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Even when Whedon was involved it was something I could not give two farts about.
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I hear they're rebooting Buffy. Only now it'll simply be called "Slayer" and Sarah Michelle Gellar's character will be played by Raven Goodwin.
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ugh... someone wave something shiny in the air and distract beyonce long enough for her to miss being cast in the movie
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I had no idea they were remaking Candyman. In any case, consider me just as outraged.
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in the skimpiest WW outfit her people can find. C'mon, convince Hollywood!
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Nov 11, 2008 10:10:22 AM CST
How can they not realise that Lucy Lawless is perfect?
by paralyser-pro
What exactly was Xena if not an 8 year audition for Wonder Woman? She's still super hot on BSG, think about it...
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Nov 11, 2008 10:14:00 AM CST
Carice Van Houten for Wonder Woman
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
I've said it before. Or if they want to move away from the traditional character portrait, get Eva Mendes. For some reason, McG on this does not stink that much. I guess because I don't really care about the source material. But I'd probably see a WW with Carice or Eva. Just no Beyonce please!
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Just as ridiculous as well.
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Beyonce as WW is just ridiculous on so many levels. If Beyonce is WW then this movie better be a musical or the talent is being wasted. Michael Phelps doesn't race on land and Barack doesn't give uplifting speeches to empty auditoriums. Get real or get lost.
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She may be only five-foot six, but she's waaaay more muscular already than most of her competition in Hollywood. Look at the Sport Illustrated edition again (I'm sure that won't hurt). She's carrying ten maybe fifteen pounds more muscle than most models. She'll buff up just find. They just need to find really short guys for villains.
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anyone remember Catwoman??? anyone??? hmmm???
also what is wrong with adapting source material faithfully? for instance i would not want to see a white guy play blade. -
Me never seeing this movie.
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The fact that Beyonce is black really shouldn't matter. I'd be more worried about the fact that she can't act.
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I second that thought on Mc G. I usually hate this guy. However he could do wonders for this Franchise.
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hire someone who can ACT not just a set of Breast!!!!! shit oif looks where all that mattered they'd cast Olivia Munn
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Has the look you want for Wonder Woman in my view. Remember her riding bare back on the white horse on the beach?! Geez, I thought for a second we were getting a Wonder Woman screen test. Okay, she has an accent, which she'd have to drop for at least the parts where she's pretending to be Diana Prince, so maybe she has to be dubbed to satisfy the suits, but I'd take that waaaaay before Beyonce--who'd be a much better fit for Cheetah. Sorry but Wonder Woman SHOULD have a Greek-ish Mediterranean ethnicity and not be African American. I'd take a Middle Eastern actress too, but African and (far east) Asian American is really pushing it in the wrong direction. Having Beyonce play Wonder Woman is right up there with having a white guy play Black Panther. It's not the same as making Catwoman or King Pin black, it's worse. Lucy Lawless is no doubt too old to play the role now, but jeez are they really not getting it right with their female heroes. Who'd a thunk Supergirl would look so good compared to the Elektra and Catwoman efforts? I don't think Wonder Woman should suffer the same.
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Yeah, I know the announcement that she had the role was bogus, but she should get the part...
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Yeah, I know JAG was drivell, but I think she's got the look. If not, I'd agree with the guy earlier who mentioned Sarah Lancaster (the older sister from "Chuck") or maybe Madeline Zima (from Californication) if they wanted to go younger. My only requirement is that the actress be able to deliver a line better than "Well, the future better get ready for me. 'Cause I'm Foxxy Cleopatra, and I'm a WHOLE LOTTA WOMAN."
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Or wait. Not ouch. Ouchless. Because your original post was an inflated piece of bull poop. I don't see Beyonce in the role either but reign in the hyperbole.
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Beyonce is the shit and should not do this as I aint down with no dark WW. ComputerGuy68 She would actually be a perfect choice and from the link you gave appears to be 5 9" so not bad. I find though watching that show at times she comes across as uber hawt and then others a bit mumsy, so all they need to do is tap the uber hawt ALL the time.Paralyser-Pro She already passed on WW years ago as she did'nt want to be typecast and that pretty much killed that production there and then as they had no alternative.
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And there is nothing to indicate that the man has no range. Charlie's Angels was Charlie's Angels. We Are Marshall was We are Marshall. So far, Terminator 4 is what Terminator 4 should be, and while I'm not about the bike terminators, I kind of dig the idea of them being spawn robots of the big ones... It appeals to the 4th grader who lives in my tummy, and may be an appropriate follow-up to T2 for that reason.
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The only real complaint we can make is that the guy hasn't made enough movies for us to know who he is.
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I hope this is all talk. I said so on the Capt american. thread. Beyonce is hot. This is beyonce saying. if obama can become president, then its about time black actors stood up and said we want more action roles. Lynda Carter is the definitive wonder woman. Beyonce looks hot when she is fit. But her acting roles were so dull and boring and I think Beyonce possibly see herself as the female will smith. I would love to see the actress who plyed solange do it. There is something wrong with beyonce doing it. I am not racist by any means. Who is going to play steve trevor? jay-z! could be terence howard. They will have to change the costume. Will beyonce pick up the phone and demand that Oprah play the Queen of paradise island. All black wonderwoman movie. I cant see that. Superheroine movies as we all know are box office poison.
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Nov 11, 2008 10:51:35 AM CST
Beyonce as Wonder Woman...no. Dwayne Johnson as Supes...yes.
by shermdawg
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right, because Beyonce looks soooooo Greek...and I'm a Chinese jet pilot.
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Why do you think women superheroes don't do well on screen? It's because they half ass their movies: Elektra, She Hulk didn't make it out of pre-production, and of course Supergirl. Do not fuck up Wonder Woman with McG. Don't fuck up the casting. Cause I won't watch. And I will make sure to spread the word of your shitty movie.
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Mariane Pearl is an actual person who is of mixed race and was played by a white actress in dark makeup. Wonder Woman doesn't fucking exist and everyone is losing their mind over Beyonce playing her.
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and I'm there.Yeah, I know I'm about to wear that one out, but someone had to say it.
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Let's just give all of the caucasin comic book roles to black actors and vice-versa shall we!?
While we are at it, let's just change the name of the country to the United African States and cast Will Smith in the George Washington biopic!!
Hooray for equality!
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Even in the realm of comics, WW's source material was pretty lame. The only way to make a Wonder Woman movie is to radically alter the character. Wonder Woman also has no rogues gallery to speak of. Honestly, WB is better off putting a Wonder Woman movie on the back burner, but what do I know? At best, the movie will be a Charlie's Angels type camp-fest with a pop music soundtrack with McG at the helm. I say give it to McG and let him play in that sandbox; maybe that'll keep him away from messing up better material.
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However, could they get a better actress for Wonder Woman than Beyonce? Her awful performance in Austin Powers 3 sticks out more than any stupid shit in that movie and there was plenty of shit in that movie.
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...how we've become so damned politically correct so as to allow a black woman to take on the role of one the greatest superheroes ever concieved. I mean, does this material not deserve to be treated with respect? Wonder Woman is white. Period.
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Shit director for a shit character. Who else but McG to direct a story about an Amazon princess with an invisible jet and a lasso that makes people tell the truth. What could go wrong?!?
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And she can't act. Not that I want to see Cate Blanchett in the role either.
Maybe Claudia Black?
As much as I love Wonder Woman this project has been drawn out for so long it might be best to move on.
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Here's to Aretha Franklin farting R-E-S-P-C-T in your face while your mouth is open.
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This doesn't bode well. If they cast her as WW, it is doomed to failure! And I would love to have a great Wonder Woman movie. That's not going to happen, apparently.
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back when McG was thrown into the mix for Superman. Personally, i'd like to see MARY ELIZABETH WINSTEAD as Wonder Woman, she's tall, can act, gorgeous and young.
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Beyonce is too thick.
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Her name was tossed around awhile back for the role, and though it was said to be completely false, she does look the part. I'd almost pray it was going to be her if I didn't want to see her crash and burn in this horrible train wreck of a film.
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Seriously, she's the one for the role (though she might need to buff up a bit)...anyone who watched Firefly knows I'm right...Whedon even mentioned it "half joking/half serious" early on...If they cast her they've got my 10 bucks right now.
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Teach this woman to act, now! That is all.
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Like gravity. Just look at McG. He manages to fall upwards his entire career.
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from James Cameron, John McTiernan and Paul Verhoeven to McG, Michael Bay and Len Wiseman?
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agree 100%
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and Brett Ratner
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Ok, you're obviously showing your true colors. and please, don't tell me you voted for Obama, and that some of 'best friends' are black.
Except for Sam Jackson's Nick Fury (that's actually in the comics) all the other 'blackwash' characters were just badly misCAST, that's all. Making them 'Black' wouldn't matter as long as it's the right person. As for Woman Woman, technically it wouldn't work with a black actress if they set it during WWII. I wouldn't care if she was Black, White, Green and etc, as long as it's the right casting. Beyonce would be JUST WRONG for that role. Period! And not because she's black, because she can't act! -
"It would be a cool take if Wonder Woman is black."Wouldn't it be an even cooler take if WW were Japanese?No, it wouldn't be cool at all since WW is from GREECE.
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Jada's speach comes across more ghetto then Beyonce'.
Besides, Tyra is the right type for the job and she can act. Lets not forget the body: http://jaynir.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/bradvei-tyra-banks-dtmar05-09.jpg -
That wasn't a troll. It was an oppinion that I'm perfectly entitled to. And I'm not the only one who's said it either. Grow yourself a pair and stop defending a so called "actress" who couldn't fill that role if her life depended on it. Let her stick to signing, somethng she IS good at.
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Sorry.
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I betcha Paradise Island looks like Naboo from Episode I. And the Cheetah ends up being a Kryptoni..er, Amazon and they get into EXTREME Matrix-style fights! And WW's suit has to be in a can. Can't forget the can.
Save us again Harry! Please!!!!!
And insert your "DC movies to be more grimDARK" joke here.
Seriously, no, just no. And this isn't a race thing. Face it...A-listers just to have A-listers + betraying the source material = angry comic geeks. Or did we forget CINO? (Apparently we did, and this extended to DC AND Marvel, the latter of which still basically let Halle Berry be the star of X3. She gets to lead the team, for God's sake!)
BTW, just in case you don't believe my earlier "not racist" comment, this is why I equally despise the rumors of Johnny Depp to Nolan Batman. And even though I don't like him, I do have to admit though that he has some talent. (maybe that is another reason...if Depp is in Batman and does a good job, how do I hate him? ;-)) B. Knowles...not so much. She did help bury the Austin Powers franchise, indeed. Though to be honest, the first movie was the only really good one, after that was it generally became Just Another Juvenile Humor Film and a caricature of its former self with the catchphrases and all.
Between this, Keanu as Plastic Man rumors, JLA clusterfucks, GL Jack Black rumors...I guess we know who to REALLY thank for the better Batman movies of the 2000s. (hint: Chris Nolan, JUST Chris Nolan) Otherwise this IS still WB we're talking about. Marvel is going to KILL them in the theaters, as they are doing a lot of things right now with this Avengers plan. Now they need to fire Quesada and Bendis so I can like their books again.
And just so you know, I voted for Obama...BECAUSE HE IS A DEMOCRAT AND OFFERED BETTER SOLUTIONS TO CHANGE THE LAST 8 YEARS AROUND.
Also, the Green Lantern and Nick Fury things worked because John Stewart and Ultimates Nick Fury are canon. They aren't gratuitous changes just to be more PC.
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Lord help you, white child! What them Focus Groups been feedin’ you?
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Dark Hair, blue eyes, tough and beautiful.
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I think that is the actress who plays gretchen. is the only choice for wonderwoman. that makes sense. what a hard ass. she is so tough, she scares me, that I have to stop watching prison break.
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a flying beyonce. mmmm.
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I dont think you can change a character as iconic as Wonder Woman. Not that I'd mind a black actress if they got a good one. I say cast Gina Torres, she's gorgeous and she's got the right build for it. And can act fucking hyperbolic circles around Beyonce for goddamn sure!
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as traditionally white characters, but only if it fits. Kingpin should've never been black, he wasn't even fucking fat in the movie. Jackson just isnt nick fury to me. Never read the short story but something tells me will smith was a good fit for the role. Hollywood needs to fire all its casting agents.
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See exhibit A: Goldmember.
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...I remember reading an article where he was saying how difficult it was writing the WW script because unlike other superheroes, there are very few to zero well known WW storylines, the origin story is fairly vague and there's really no reason to her becoming a superhero. Whedon knows how to do powerful women who, whilst sexy, don't come across like some guys wet dream. We've all seen Charlie's Angels and I dont' particularly want to see his brand of "girl power" on the screen again.
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As I said before, starting with Spy Who Shagged Me, it became a toilet-humored, catchphrase-laden parody of its former self (Heather Graham was hot, though).
Still, she didn't do any wonders for the franchise. Beyonce's only values are her name and the fact that she looks good. Like pretty much most of the female entertainers in mainstream American entertainment. -
Casting Black People in White Roles
With all do respect to those complaining about it, I find it a completely bogus issue. How many remakes and reboots have their been in the last couple of years, and how many of those did they recast the role with someone who was black? And even then, how many of those recast roles involved the lead role and not some token supporting character? Not that many I bet. Andtheflesh at 9:41:02 listed 6 movies with black characters (and some of those movies were released in 2004 & 2005). Lets look at those six movies:
I am Legend and I, Robot: Both starred WILL SMITH, megastar, and both were based on books. I am Legend was filmed twice before, but they were done so under different titles (The Last Man on Earth and Omega Man) and I don’t think anyone can say that Vincent Price and Charleston Heston owns the part so much you could never cast someone else in the role. Otherwise, I don’t think race was the big reason why they cast a black actor but the fact he is WILL SMITH, mega-star. Those films were probably written for white actors in mind but they wanted to go with WILL SMITH, mega-star, for box office. Damn liberals.
Karate Kid: Maybe the reason they recast the Karate Kid with a black kid is that he just so happens to be mega star WILL SMITH’s son. Hell, I don’t see that as affirmative action as much as I see it as Hollywood nepotism at its worse.
Wonder Woman: This is only a rumor, just as it was a rumor that Will Smith was going to be Captain America or Chris Rock was going to be Robin in Tim Burton’s series. So you are bringing up something that isn’t even an issue yet.
Nick Fury in Iron Man: Well they cast Samuel L. Jackson because the character of Nick Fury in the Ultimate Universe was based on Samuel L. Jackson, so I guess you should blame Marvel Comics for that and not the filmmakers.
And Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy: I don’t know, maybe the producer’s thought he was pretty funny? Plus isn’t Ford Prefect an alien? Isn’t it just as ridiculous to assume he is white?
Besides these films, I randomly looked up eight remakes, reboots or tv shows adapted into movies that were released this year on imdb, and of those eight only two had recast with black actors, but only in a supporting role for both films: Death Race (turned Chicago Joe from a Italian Gangster into a black gang-banger, but they also recast Frankenstein from an American into a Limey) and Prom Night (they had some black people in the movie, while the originally movie was all white people). I should add that of those eight films, two of the remakes – Shutter and One Missed Call – recast the movie from Asian to white Americans. Damn affirmative action.
As you can see, all of the complaining about movies being remade with black actors in roles identified as white is really making something big about nothing. The worry shouldn’t be about blacks somehow stealing white roles, but about bad casting in remakes in general (Seth Rogen in The Green Hornet or Topher Grace as venom comes to mind) Plus, I have yet to see them take a truly iconic character and make him black: no black Bond, no black Batman, no black Sherlock Holmes, nothing. The closest thing to that is Wild, Wild West, which was a disaster I admit, but once again I think the reason they went with a black actor wasn’t so much do to the color of his skin as it had to do with the fact that he is WILL SMITH, mega-star.
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You summed up my entire post in about 1/10th the space. Kudos.
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I would see a Candyman reboot with Javier Bardem.
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"The worry shouldn’t be about blacks somehow stealing white roles, but about remakes in general "
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Nov 11, 2008 1:16:53 PM CST
McG and Beyonce sounds Similar to Pitof and Halle Berry
by adrian marcato
Take a visual commercial director and a black woman in a comic book character role seen primarily as 'white', maybe jazz it up, you know for those MTV kids, and start printing the money...until no one sees it. I'll admit, Beyonce has a bigger fan base than Halle Berry, and McG is arguably a better film director than Pitof, but Beyonce is still a bad actress pending 'Cadillac Records' and McG is still a bad director pending 'Terminator: Salvation'. Neither has a credit that lends hope or credibility here. Suggestion: Make Wonder Woman like she is portrayed in the DC comic... because its the character that should sell the film over the actor or director, and this movie would quickly turn into the 'that's different' approach that plagued Catwoman, and keep people disinterested, hoping for a true wonder woman film. Warner has put itself on a block of delusion with 'the Dark Knight' in stating that they will take the 'dark edged' approach to all their heroes...this news doesn't fall in line with their previous statements. My guess is that McG is just a name constantly thrown around in any action or superhero project...and he always seems to get shelved...remember superman? And remember Will Smith being touted as a possible Superman candidate? Neither of those materialized and neither will this project.
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But I should have said "The worry shouldn't be about blacks somehow stealing white roles, but about remakes and bad casting in movies in general." Damn work keeps distracting me from what is really important.
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Mainstream American movies? Be "different"?? Surely you jest!
No! What worked before is the only stuff that has any drawing power! And don't you ever forget it! Those newfangled original ideas? Those won't draw a DIME. Those good actors and actresses? BAH! No one ever heard of them, they won't put one ass in the seats. Plus they're not HOT. You know all the people we cast must be perfectly thin and beautiful (oh yeah, and we can sneak Paris Hilton in too). Someone a bit heavier than that? The audiences will be running to the bathrooms, they'll be so sick! -
That's funny...and shows how two-faced WB has been when it comes to that Justice League movie. Remember "The Batman" and how it caused us not to have any non-Batman Bat-characters on Justice League Unlimited cause "people would get confused?" Well now they're not shy about using different versions of the same characters, now are they? And if this WW rumor is true, they'd just screw the Justice League pooch that they supposedly have such a hard-on for. (so much that they were willing to rush it out, and BEFORE Nolan's Batman saga is over AND before another Superman!)
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Olivia Munn as Wonder Woman, okay? No more discussion. Especially if it's gonna be a piece of shite anyway which it will.
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It just makes sense when you think about it...
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nubia was a badass and much cooler than WW anyhow.
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and so should look like this:
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Ahh Munn. Perhaps this times most perfect woman. That said, while I am sure she has the personality of of a discarded Starbucks cup, Fox is quite the perfect visual fit for the role.
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Outside of the real of really special directors of this stuff - Whedon, Singer, etc. - McG is an incredibly good choice.
The action sequences in the Charlies Angels films were very well done - and We Are Marshall shows some very shrewd filmmaking chops in places.
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Even if was better than DARK KNIGHT and SPIDER-MAN 2 combined, there are too many insecure little bitches out there who would just not buy a ticket. The best solution, the ONLY solution that has Wonder Woman carrying a film is this: You call it JUSTICE LEAGUE.
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I have absolutely no faith in DC movies right now. Once Nolan leaves the fold, WB is screwed. Charlie's Angels was decent fun, but really a hack film. If you're approaching this movie as a 'remake' of the 70s show like Charlie's Angels was, then maybe McG is a decent choice. But if you're actually wanting to launch one of the most recognizable comic characters in history into the film world, especially to prepare for a Justice League film, this is NOT the way to go. And the Beyonce thing is just ridiculous and hopefully will never happen. Sarah Palin is more likely casting. I just wish the idiots at WB had actually listened to Joss, so we could have gotten a nuanced portrayal of the Amazonian goddess (and no, there's no connection with the Amazon river), directed by someone who at least understands what feminism is, rather than a cheesy, cheesecake director like McG. Too bad there are not more female action directors out there.
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which was in all likelihood somewhere near turkey. not the frigging amazon river. catch a damned clue.
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I just have trouble buying her as anything other than a singer in films. Plus, she doesn't seem to possess any of that Amazonian ultimate woman vibe I get from Wonder Woman. Beyonce is cute, Wonder Woman definitely is not. I'd say the closest vibe is the one Angelina Jolie's publicists seem to attribute to her.
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Just save her for the JLA movie and be done with it!
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Just, please dont let fucking Beyonce play the lead.
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Great body. But she's a terrible actress and not much of a person. There's no intellect, instead there is only the mentality of a person who would be at home on a stripper pole if it weren't for that one lucky meeting.
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I pray for common sense.
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Nov 11, 2008 2:26:21 PM CST
I'm excited for McG to direct...if they pick the right lady!!!
by jdanielp
Look,...Halle Berry and Beyoncé are BOTH incredibly beautiful women, obviously. But have some freakin' common sense. --As to McG being on board, I could hardly be happier. Just get the right woman for the role.
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Peacemaker was a pretty tight action pic; Deep Impact was the 'good' asteroid movie of 1998; and all those episodes of ER are practically action movies with intense drama. She would bring a woman's perspective and action/thriller/drama chops to table. Just a thought.
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Megan Fox, Cindy Crawford--guilty pleasure choices
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Sorry DC fans but it seems Warners still doesn't know what to do with their Comic Book properties. I'm convinced that it was dumb luck for them to land Nolan. No squid in Watchmen has studio decision written all over it as well.
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Seriously, just put the upcoming animated movie in theaters and be done with it. Oh yeah, 2D animation doesn't sell anymore either.
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Nov 11, 2008 2:54:15 PM CST
Just let Bruce Timm direct all the live action movies
by waitingforavengers
Couldn't be worse then Catwoman.
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we've never seen before?
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Over at dark horizons they ran this same story only they ran the bit that it was Beyonce that contacted WB & DC Not the other way around. She's just shilling for this job like Sean Young did to play Catwoman in Batman Returns, and we all know how that turned out.
Oh, andtheflesh, you also forgot one of the worst casting choices in the last 20 years...Wil Smith as James West in the Wild, Wild West. Love the WWW TV show but HATE that pos movie. -
As you might have seen earlier, I agree with you. WB seems to only do good when they happen to find the RIGHT PERSON. (see: Nolan, Timm, Donner) I am beginning to agree more and more that we can't thank the company for knowing what they're doing, especially when I hear rumors/news like this. I have a feeling deep down, TDK or not, we're still dealing with the same old rubber-nipple-loving, Schumacher-hiring, Shaq-casting, Catwoman-ruining barrel of monkeys we all know and (don't) love. Even when Batman Begins was out, look what else they were doing. There was The Crapm...I mean, The Batman. There was that Legion of Super Heroes cartoon that didn't set the world on fire. And over at their other franchises, remember what they did to the Looney Tunes?!!? Plus this was when the rumblings of the Jack Black as Green Lantern project began. And now, outside of Nolan Batman, what have we heard? THIS. And Superman being GRIMDARK (Millar's plan sounds interesting though), cause we all know TDK being a complex movie that made you think, with interesting characters had nothing to do with its success. And Keanu Reeves, who lost his charisma in San Demas, to play the very comedic Plastic Man. All the JLA problems. (there's Batman: Brave and the Bold too, but that might be fun in a throwback way)
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Nov 11, 2008 3:27:39 PM CST
Apparently, there aren't enough directors in the Wood
by the reluctant austinite
I'm actually getting misty for the days when most of the stuff I would see was directed by nobody I ever heard of. There seem to be currently about 15 directors to choose from appart from the old God's of the 70's and 80's. There's Ratner, there's Bay, there's Sommers, there's Snyder, there's McG & Mclovin' & the honorable McCheese, there's Johnson & Jackson, there's Raimi and Boll. Who am I missing?
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As you might have seen earlier, I agree with you. WB seems to only do good when they happen to find the RIGHT PERSON. (see: Nolan, Timm, Donner) I am beginning to agree more and more that we can't thank the company for knowing what they're doing, especially when I hear rumors/news like this. I have a feeling deep down, TDK or not, we're still dealing with the same old rubber-nipple-loving, Schumacher-hiring, Shaq-casting, Catwoman-ruining barrel of monkeys we all know and (don't) love. Even when Batman Begins was out, look what else they were doing. There was The Crapm...I mean, The Batman. There was that Legion of Super Heroes cartoon that didn't set the world on fire. And over at their other franchises, remember what they did to the Looney Tunes?!!? Plus this was when the rumblings of the Jack Black as Green Lantern project began. And now, outside of Nolan Batman, what have we heard? THIS. And Superman being GRIMDARK (Millar's plan sounds interesting though), cause we all know TDK being a complex movie that made you think, with interesting characters had nothing to do with its success. And Keanu Reeves, who lost his charisma in San Demas, to play the very comedic Plastic Man. All the JLA problems. (there's Batman: Brave and the Bold too, but that might be fun in a throwback way)
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Seriously, that is SO 3 years ago, are there still bitter old you-know-whats that can't accept that the movie wasn't G1 through and through? (Cause being like the cartoon is SO much better all the time, look at Speed Racer...oops!)
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She can use those wristband things to try to deflect my cock flying at her face.
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but was fired when silver caught whedon twiddling his thumbs. which he is what he does.
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Then I'll try to get around to seeing it, if I can find the time.
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huh? Whedon had completed a script and the studio just wanted to keep tweaking it, while at the same time buying up another WW script from some first timers that they had no intention of making. Whedon saw the writing on the wall and said, no thanks. I loved the idea that Whedon had about Diana being an innocent who suddenly has to cope with and understand violence, as she does when she gets shot for the first time. WW is a particular kind of fish out of water story, which could have a really interesting feminist resonance, where a woman who is super strong and royalty has to somehow adjust herself to a patriarachal society who doesn't value her strength. There's a reason why female superheroes haven't worked in Hollywood. Because they usually devolve into male misogynist fantasies like 'Super Ex-Girlfriend.' Whedon could have made it work and avoided those cliches while still making Diana sexy.
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And a bunch of China Beach episodes? Maybe they should set their sights just a tad higher.
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What's next, Will Smith as Superman? Will Smith's son as the new Karate Kid? D'oh!
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That's why she has no friends.
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This has nothing to do with color. I am of mixed race, so I would love to see the right woman play Wonder Woman whomever she is, or whatever color she is, but Beyonce can't act, it is as simple as that!!!
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If McG is going to direct, he might as well pull from the resources of the hit show he executive produces: CHUCK. Sarah Lancaster is a bombshell (and does in fact look quite a bit like Lynda Carter), and has the "wisdom" thing down with playing Chuck's caring, wisdom dispensing older sister. I think this would be a good way to go with WW casting. Anyone else?
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Like he did with the Abrams Superman script?
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Damn You, Brett Ratner
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Acting? What's that? People go to movies to see hot people looking hot, dammit! (how else can you explain the choice of young Anakin Skywalker?)
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Of a Stairmaster. She's a little thick. Especially for a superhero.
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Nov 11, 2008 4:34:06 PM CST
Sounds Like Whedon's Take Was Based On The Film "Splash"
by media messiah
A fish out of water story??? Sounds like a "Splash" and "Starman" take on the material to me. It would have been charming, and then engrossing, to see an innocent become a seasoned hero!!! Despite the problems with Dollhouse, they should still go with Whedon on this one!!!
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I think after Whedon left this project, the interest pretty much tanked. It could still be really good, but WW just doesn't drum up huge interest on her own merits the way Batman or Spiderman do.
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...when in all actuality I suppose I'm just a purist. And even then I can let a lot of things slide. My biggest problems with most of the films I listed have less to do with the race of the actor but with the actor specifically. Will Smith was not cast well in iRobot or I Am Legend not so much because the characters were originally white but because they were originally intelligent, low key, and respectable people. Neither of them would watch Shrek, collect "vintage" 2006 sneakers, or go hunting in a fucking diablo.
My apologies on the Nick Fury issue, I stopped reading superhero comics before the Ultimate universe came into being so my fondest memories of Nick Fury come from when he was essentially Solid Snake.
Regardless of all that, Wonder Woman is fucking white. Period. Without changing her entire backstory there's no way to make her black.
I think that some characters are have become such icons that to radically alter their appearance is wrong. We talkbakers complain endlessly about nipples on Batman and yet apparently some of us would have no issue if he were black?
Finally, I voted Obama and no, I have no black friends. I live in Maine for fuck sakes, statistics are against me. Especially so when you consider that the vast majority of ALL people are intolerable. -
she's got the look, the talent, and shes not yet a household name that would want too much $$$....
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That casting of Anakin was horrible...but the bad casting was also met with equal amounts of bad writing and equally bad directing. It was a perfect storm of incompetence!!!As far as hot people, and seeing them in films, I can watch free internet porn for that, which includes full frontal nudity and full penetration sex. However, when I see a real Hollywood movie, I want quality in acting, writing and direction because although I am paying for a ticket or a DVD, I certainly am not going to get full frontal nudity and penetration sex out of a Hollywood made film, and even if I did, as I said before, I could still get that for free on the net watching porn!!!
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Yeah...and people have to start expecting more out of their movies instead of feeding their money to Scary/Epic/Disaster Movie and the like. Why were we so much smarter when we were younger?
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... Karima Adebibe (yum)
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Damn You Michael Bay
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TRUKK NOT MUNKY!
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Nov 11, 2008 5:00:34 PM CST
Jenna Jameson as Wonder Woman!
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
Now THAT I would pay to see!
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Yes the prequels were lousy in general, but that doesn't make Hayden any better. I kind of wish they DID use Leo instead. But hey, he sure looked great!
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I did not accuse you of racism, but if it seems like I implied it I am sorry. However, my complaint was more with the fact that many people are making a big deal over nothing. The problem with I am Legend and I, Robot wasn’t that they cast a black man in the lead is that they made them star vehicles, changing the part to fit WILL SMITH, megastar, and his perceived strengths. It is the same thing they did with Keanu Reeves in “Constantine”, Arnold in “Running Man”, Emma Watson as Hermione Granger in the “Harry Potter” series, and Angelie Jolie in “Wanted”.
Personally, I think many superheroes in the modern era work better if they are portrayed by a black person or other minority. Two that come to mind right away is the Punisher and Ben Grimm, the Thing. As I have written elsewhere, Ben Grimm is former gang member who escapes the slums on a football scholarship and then joins the armed forces for a career. Sounds like he could be black man to me.
I will say that there are occasions where the race of the character is very important to me and I believe that he can only be white, or black if we are talking about the Black Panther. I already posted something about how Captain America has to be white over at the Captain America TB and I won’t repeat my arguments here. However, I will say that I can see going in two directions regarding Wonder Woman: if the movie is set in the 40’, she should be white (but not necessarily Greek, remember the Amazons were in Greek myths but they themselves were not Greeks); if it is set in the modern era, I think she should be a mixed race person to make her appear more exotic. But first and foremost cast someone who can act and who I can believe is an Amazon warrior.
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Nov 11, 2008 5:12:52 PM CST
Monica Bellucci as Wonder Woman.
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
She's italian, which is close enough to greece. Fuck, she's passed as Spanish and French before. And she's built like a fuck machine and would look tasty in the outfit. And really, thats all we really care about with WW isn't it? No one actually gives a shit about the character. As for Whedon, apparently he took two years to write a story outline. Thats how little there is to do with the character. At the same time as Whedons departure, Joel "Cuntface" Silver bought a spec script from 2 guys who set it during WW2. He bought it not to film it, but to take it off the market! Then hired those same 2 guys to write a new script. Whedon also said that he couldn't believe the lack of support and enthusiasm from the studio. My opinion is that they should let Miller make Justice League and use that as a launching pad if any particular character that stands out. Rant over.
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Ignorant for sure.But I can understand about being a purist, I agree that WW should be who Wonder Woman has always been. You should of just said that! Instead of going on a tirade on 'BLACK' actors in 'WHITE' Roles. I just called you out, that's out.Anyway, whatever your opinion, no one really wants to see a Wonder Woman movie, and whoever they cast (unlike Marvel Movies) it will be stunt casting. Someone who looks good in the suit and can't act! And rest assure, she will be white.
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Nov 11, 2008 5:23:38 PM CST
Will McG's WONDER WOMAN gyrate her ass in under-roos?
by stereotypical evil archer
McG knows Slo Mo babes.
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or if you must have a different look for WW, I'd go with Moon Bloodgood.
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And throw in the girl from the Adam West-like pilot.
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For old time's sake, BROTHER!
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And she's 5'10" so you wouldn't need to fill out the rest of the cast with little people.
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She CAN'T Act. She Can't Sing Either. And she's no wonder woman. No No No. She's awful, a case of entertainment success through hammered marketing, from Destiny's Child days to solo. If you thought Will Smith as James West was a bad idea....
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circles and other areas of entertainment, he nickname should be bitch-on-say.
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Nov 11, 2008 5:46:44 PM CST
Cranky...today's society just can't come up with good female ent
by jmfabianorpl
Sadly, it's true.
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But the big problem, IMO, is that Wonder Woman is a bit of a mess of a character. Her origins are weird (amazon child, made of clay?), her powers are hard to explain, and even her costume doesn't make much sense (amazon wrapped in the American flag?). She simply doesn't have the simple, iconic origins of Superman, Batman, Hulk, and others, that make their stories so much easier to tell on the big screen.
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Nov 11, 2008 5:49:25 PM CST
That's female entertainers, in case it didn't all show up
by jmfabianorpl
Yep.
Well at least they aren't talking to the real anti-Christ of overmarketed women (hint: her name rhymes with Barris Filton) -
just a thought....smitten by her in that actually good Enterprise ep a few years back.
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It's sad but true.
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There's a great Wonder Woman story in the Justice League movie- the OMAC Project from the comics.
Silver and co. can't get past the script stage after years and years.
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The animated movie will be the best bet of what Brains mentioned. Yeah Doomsday wasn't that great, I still don't know what to make of Gotham Knights, but on the other hand, I liked New Frontier. So they have it in them for that sort of thing. So long as Timm is around somehow.
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There's an Idea.
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1 – Cast an Unknown: I don’t see the point in throwing around all of these big names. Cast this like they did the original Superman movie and get an unknown so you don’t have to fork over truckloads of money to a name. As an added bonus, you can probably sign them for a multiple film deal before they get big and with any luck they will be typecast so they will always be available for sequels. Besides, the star of the movie is the character of Wonder Woman, people will show up no matter who the lead is as long as the movie is good and she is a convincing Wonder Woman.
2 – Get the Right Actress: The lead doesn’t have to have a name, but she should fit the part. We should stop worrying so much about her ethnicity and more about her physique. Wonder Woman shouldn’t just be a pretty face or even a model she should be an Amazon. Find someone tall, with a great, athletic build, not just a good-looking woman. She should stand out from all other women and she should look like she could kick most guys’ ass, even if she didn’t have any powers.
Plus she should probably cast a younger woman. Besides the fact that it will help the entire “fish out of water” angle so many seem to love, it will also allow you to make a number of sequels without worrying that she will get to old for the part after awhile.
3 – Use the Corny Stuff: Most people will tell you to avoid the “cheesier” or “cornier” elements of Wonder Woman mythos, I say don’t. Bask in them. It will be what separates you from all the other super-hero movies. So feel free use her old secret identity of Diana Prince or the Invisible Jet. That doesn’t mean you can’t give it a “logical” explanation. For example, you could say that Invisible Jet was created because Steve Trevor’s plane was totaled in the crash, and the Amazons were incapable of repairing it, so they beseeched Hephaestus to build them their own plane, which he did, but out of mystical aether.
4 – Feel Free to make it a Little Kinky: Have you ever read the first eight years of Wonder Woman? William Moulton Marston had practically every issue be about submission, domination, tying someone up, spanking and cat fights. Don’t be afraid to slip a little sex in there.
5 – WWII Connection: Personally, I think the movie would be better if it was based in WII, since that would give a better explanation as to why she wears an American flag costume (she isn’t a patriot but she does want us to know she is fighting on our side against the Axis), but if the studios refuse to green-light a period piece at least make sure there is a connection to WWII. You could say that Queen Hyppolyta was the original Wonder Woman, having gone to Man’s World to fight the forces of Ares during WWII (hence the costume). Now it is her daughter’s turn and so she bequeaths her old costume to her.
6 – Take It Seriously: While earlier I mentioned they should use the corny stuff and have fun with it, at the same time they should also try to make a good movie and not look at this as some piece of camp that is beneath them. As long as you don’t act condescending to the audience or the source material, you might actually make a film that people will see.
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Whoever makes Wonder Woman needs to CARE.
It can't be about people who are looking to get their name in the ring for franchise/tentpole movies. It can't be about just tossing out names of A-list people who can or can't carry or open a movie. This is Wonder Woman. She was about integrity. She was about bringing peace.
The person they choose should look somewhat like Lynda Carter and be able to pull of beautiful-but-not-a-slutty-sexpot and smart and be able to pull off integrity.
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They picked the only director in the world who could make a boring movie with Drew Barrymore, Cameron Diaz, and Lucy Liu?
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there i said it... Come on, lets all grow the fuck up... Its like a black bond.. no no no....
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really Chromedome is right - get an unknown actress - but she should look similar to the way Phil Jiminez or Adam Hughes pencil WW. But bring in Warren Ellis, Geoff Johns, others to help with story ideas. For some reason I'm thinking that a WW movie covering several decades with an off-the-wall SF storyline (think Grant Morrison when he's writing really well) might work. Don't worry about Diana Prince, Paradise Island, or even Amazons, if it doesn't help the story.
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just after putting the prevoius one up.. sorry...
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So let me get this straight, you don't want to see an island full of beautiful, skimpy dressed women who know only of the love between two women?
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...and thus say they're being cutting edge and revolutionary. No. Obama got where he's at because he promised to be the anti-W. and had some good ideas. It's not a black thing or a white thing, it's the SUBSTANCE behind it.
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my post should have read don't worry about including elements such as Diana Prince, etc., if it doesn't help or add to the story. (Although now that I've read it I also have to agree with most of Continentalop's post.)
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To quote my friend... Wonder Woman isn't thick or has a booty!
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Nov 11, 2008 6:25:18 PM CST
No she's not thick...the people who are casting/writing her are!
by jmfabianorpl
Oh it's true
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Link maybe??
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Right, she and Urkel.
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I refuse to see a lot of the films that come out now because most tv series are better than the majority of block buster movies these days, hour for hour, minute for minute. Case in point, "Eagle Eye"--what a waste of time, and a waste of my ticket money??? The film was an over budgeted rehash of War Games, Die Hard 4, 2001's Hal...the mad computer story, and XXX: State Of The Union...and a not very good mix of those films, at that.As a result, I will not support Hollywood putting out this kind of garbage, from Spiderman 3, to Speed Racer, I'd rather go without it, or wait and rent the DVD...and if it is a bad film, I warn everyone I know about it, and if I find a good or great film, I tell as many people as possible to rent or buy it. Better that than being burned like I was with Eagle Eye!!!
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here's a novel idea - how about casting, you know, an actual ACTOR? I'm sure you can find a few of them around some place - maybe try looking in LA? I'm sure Beyonce was a good SINGER in her day, but her acting chops are SUBpar - at best.
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... have some issues you need to deal with. When someone gives me a compelling reason that Wonder Woman MUST be white, then I'll listen ... this simpleton's equivalency game of "well then, let's get a WHITE guy to play Black Panther" is so fucking moronic, it's hard to imagine you people are actually serious.I'll tell you one thing, I could make an argument why she should be white. But I've yet to hear it from any of you bigoted bozos.Also, Beyonce is a black hole of charmlessness (no pun intended), and she couldn't act her way out of a paper bag. So she shouldn't get the role for that reason.On the other hand, if there's one major comic character more outmoded than Superman, Wonder Woman is it. This is just not a recipe for success, no matter how you cut it.
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Yeah it goes, "To all the independent women in the house! Show us your tits and shut your motherfuckin' mouth!" Oh wait, that was D12. Sorry about that.
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Saw her on Kimmel the other day (she's on a new Sam Raimi-produced show called Legend of The Seeker). She's gorgeous, totally looks the part, and seems pretty cool. Look her up on IMDB (or find the Kimmel clip), and you'll have to agree.
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I know some people find her roots in Greek Mythology and her connection to the Amazon’s make her seem convoluted, but actually all of William Marston’s use of the Greek myths makes Wonder Woman an easier film to write, since she practically already follows Campbell’s Hero with a Thousand Faces outline.
She starts out in her Ordinary World (Paradise Island), has the Call to Adventure (Steve Trevor’s plane crash), the Refusal of the Call (her mother refuses to let her be involved in the contest to see who goes to Man’s World), Meets the Mentor and is Given Supernatural Aid (her mother, Queen Hyppolyta, will advise her and give her the Lasso of Truth and the Invisible Jet), Crosses the First Threshold (flies back to Man’s World with Steve Trevor), goes on the Road of Trials where she meets Test, Allies and Enemies (in the comic book, she had to learn how to operate in our world, while meeting allies like Etta Candy and enemies such as gangsters and spies), she Approaches the Inmost Cave (whomever the villain is in the movie, this will be that person’s lair), faces the Supreme Ordeal (in the old comics it would have been her bracelets being bound together by a man, rendering her powerless), and than go through the Reward, The Road Back, Resurrection, and the Return with the Elixir phase (each of these depending on the plot or storyline, up until the defeat of the foes master plot and the acceptance of Steve Trevor’s love).
Normally I think writer’s obsession with following classic mythological structure has become way overdone, but this is one time were I think it would be appropriate.
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comic book movies, but looks like we're not gonna get it. McDLT and Ratnerd. ------------Dear Barack Hussein Obama please initiate an executive order firing every hollywood executive and put the comic book writers and creators in charge.
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Like he did with Terminator Salvation, I'm down.And please get a women with better acting chops than Beyonce or this thing will flop harder than Catwomen.
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The reason she shoudnt be black is that she is the daughter of Hippolyta who is the daughter of Ares. As they are part of greek mythology it is unlikley she would be black, it is also unlikley she had blue eyes so linda Carter was also wrong.
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Who has been screaming for a Wonder Woman film? Her inclusion in the so called "Big Three" of the DC Univerese has always felt forced to me.
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He plays a great tony stark and now any cunt from a comic has a movie. OK where the fuck is Aqualad (shia) or Beast Boy (efron) or Deathloc (rogen).. just fuck the fuck off
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Is it possible also to petition for a new law making remaking movies a form of plagiarism? And yes I am being serious.
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Don't forget Rogen IS going to be Green Hornet (hurr hurr, knowing him we know what "green" will mean). Maybe him and Jack Black GL can do a WACKY teamup!
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At least Downey as Iron Man was GOOD. And got Marvel back on track after f-ing up Spidey and X-Men, and offering boredom such as F4 and Ghost Rider.
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She was/is another superhero that everyone knows, even non-comic fans. Because she was there in other media along with Superman and Batman (the Carter show, Superfriends, JLU...)
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hope they include wondergirl. she was my favorite part of the tv show and loved her teen titans.
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Because she's been that way in comics since the 1940s, frankly. Certain fictional characters are the way they are with only so much room for interp - Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, even Dracula (c'mon, Blacula was the height of silliness in that '70s era, even if it was the great Williams Marshall)). And my big issue is a stupid bitch of no talent in music, acting or anything like Beyonce, propped up first by her father and then that cretin Jay-Z who thinks it okay to tell his audience that street life lessons are on par with a geunine education in whatever field/area you desire. Fuck him and hand him an exploding cigar. He's a dick. Period. But getting back to that which you questioned: Yeah. I think Wonder Woman should have a look that makes sense in relationship to decades of the comics. Again, I bring up the Will Smith as James West, one of WB pictures great fuckups and why they did not create franchise (of course add no clue about the West-Gordon . relationship and awful script and shithole direction, too). Comic-adventure-fiction icons are such for a reason. Sure you can do a black/asian/indian whatever Sherlock Holmes, but it's not Holmes. It's not. Obviously, we agree on Bitchonsay's lack of genuine talent, though. And I don't think Superman or WW have to be "outmoded." Depends if you're an ultra-cynic or not when it comes to your heroes/heroines. At middle-age, I'm not. My little boy probably helps with that. Also, thanks for your usual fine sense of fair play and reason.
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ROBOTIC SPIDERS = TICKET SALES!!!!!
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you're absolutely right. I've been bitchin all week about the excessive amount of remakes/plagerism being made nowadays. There is so much good original shit out there why waste time and money with watered down retreds.
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and fuck McG! Charlie's Angel's anyone?
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Is this mainstream movies we're talking about? Or do I need to be an Indie freak?
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I want to go straight to the top. Anyone? (this is for my remaking = plagiarism law)
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i didn't mean movies i meant books and comic books.
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If it's these two making it, I don't want it getting all serious and shit. Just a lot of ass shakin' and explosions is all this needs to be great.
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If you think that's important to the character, fine. That's a legitimate reason then, at least subjectively. You are officially the only person here with one.Personally I think, since her origin has been changed more than once in the comics, as long as you can tell the story sincerely, it's fine. Not that I'm saying they'd really need to deviate - this is a liberally-interpreted comic book version of an ancient myth. I mean really: "No! She cannot be BLACK! Can't you see? The superhero Wonder Woman's mythological Amazonian mother's FATHER was Ares - a Greek God! She must be white, of course ... Plus light skin goes better with her invisible jet fighter!" You know? Maybe you're "right" but it's a helluva weird point to insist on, all things considered.
And crankyoldguy, I respect tradition to a point, but I don't really see "this is is how she's always been" being a real argument in this case. Would you reject a brown-eyed actress playing her, since Wonder Woman has "always" had blue eyes? What if her hair was short? What if they cast her as she should look according to some of the posters here who clamor for "accuracy" - Mediterranean, or even Middle-Eastern? -
To say Beyonce has no talent is ludicrous. She can sing very well. Whether or not that talent amounts to anything worthwhile is another matter ... She's not exactly using her powers for good, let's just say. And as I've said more than once here, she's soulless.
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Shrivel, Snyder, Shrivel.
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But now it just seems that so many mehtacular directors have emerged since Charlie's Angels, that MCG's looking pretty good right now.
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I hope I am not included in your list of people whose opinion about Wonder Woman's race you find ridiculous and stupid. While I did mention a preference (if set in WWII she should be white and if it is set in modern era, she should be someone who is mixed race) I did add that first and foremost they should get someone who can act and who makes a believable Amazon warrior. However, I probably should elaborate on why I preferred those races for her.
If it is set in WWII, I feel if she is any other race than white it will unfortunately be to distracting to the main story, and lead into unintentionally territory. It would be hard for a black Wonder Woman in the 1940’s not to be met with scorn, ridicule and suspicion, and I think this would cause the movie to veer off, becoming more of a film about America’s discriminatory past and less of a superhero movie.
For the modern era I mentioned that I thought she should be someone of mixed race because she would look more exotic. I should also have added I think this would help push her into more of a post-race character, as someone who sees the identity politics of the modern world as ridiculous and childish. She would the first Barack Obama era hero.
While I personally would prefer the tall, white brunette version of Wonder Woman since this is the character I am used too, I can live with them casting someone of any race as her, as long as she fits the part.
Oh, and as for the idea of Wonder Woman being a character no one cares about, I guess you didn’t go out for Halloween.
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I hope I am not included in your list of people whose opinion about Wonder Woman's race you find ridiculous and stupid. While I did mention a preference (if set in WWII she should be white and if it is set in modern era, she should be someone who is mixed race) I did add that first and foremost they should get someone who can act and who makes a believable Amazon warrior. However, I probably should elaborate on why I preferred those races for her.
If it is set in WWII, I feel if she is any other race than white it will unfortunately be to distracting to the main story, and lead into unintentionally territory. It would be hard for a black Wonder Woman in the 1940’s not to be met with scorn, ridicule and suspicion, and I think this would cause the movie to veer off, becoming more of a film about America’s discriminatory past and less of a superhero movie.
For the modern era I mentioned that I thought she should be someone of mixed race because she would look more exotic. I should also have added I think this would help push her into more of a post-race character, as someone who sees the identity politics of the modern world as ridiculous and childish. She would the first Barack Obama era hero.
While I personally would prefer the tall, white brunette version of Wonder Woman since this is the character I am used too, I can live with them casting someone of any race as her, as long as she fits the part.
Oh, and as for the idea of Wonder Woman being a character no one cares about, I guess you didn’t go out for Halloween.
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Why not just use Megan Gale for both roles? She's got the exact right look, and she's a relative unknown (in the USA anyway) which could be a plus for the studio. The only thing I'm not sure about is her acting ability, I've never seen her act before. But if she nailed the audition as well as they said she did, she can't be too bad!
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Nov 11, 2008 10:19:34 PM CST
The only way I'd accept Beyonce as WW is if she showed tittay.
by damien chowder
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In terms of "mixed race" Megan Gale is a mixture of British and Polynesian. I also heard Christina Milian tried out for WW in the Justice League movie, or was lobbying for the part. A lot of names would lobby for this part, for whatever personal reasons (whether they love the character or are jumping on the bandwagon). Although I don't see how far you can get without a script or director. And WB can't afford to compromise on just stunt casting a name at the expense of the character. And a primary appeal for WW would be women/girls too, not just fanboys (who I think will see it if it's a good movie).
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Nov 11, 2008 10:24:34 PM CST
Megan Fox cannot be WW because the whole cinema would cum.
by damien chowder
You'd have grandads and grandmas flipping each other off, your friends and parents all spunking at the same time! It would be horrible.
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has the keys to the Forbidden City.
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short hair and blonde - a mid 1970's movie starring Cathy Lee Crosby as Wonder Woman and it sucked miserably. Because it was wrong
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Isn't it funny how all you can do about a double post is ... post again?Maybe I should have been more nuanced, but I was just annoyed at the more facile posts along the lines of "Why don't we just make all white characters black then? Phooey!" I can see your objection if it's based in WWII, however it was never my assumption it would be a WWII movie - I don't think it will be. Obviously this objection of yours differs quite a bit from the typical knee jerk reaction, since yours is about the context and how the person's color would affect that. Not at all the opinion of someone who's just got "hung up on color" as I alluded to, so I don't know why you'd even think that.As for no one caring about Wonder Woman, I didn't say that. I said the character was outmoded. As far as Halloween goes, there are precious few iconic characters for females to dress up as, especially comic book nerd women. Anyway I would object to someone dressing up as Wonder Woman on Halloween for the simple reason that it's not in the spirit of the day unless you dress as something at least vaguely scary. Like ... a BLACK Wonder Woman, maybe?
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But for that matter, neither can Megan Fox. I think Warner's best shot is to just get an unknown ala Superman for the part.
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the hell is wrong with a black wonder woman? so what if she is one of the "big 3"?? TIMES CHANGE, WHITE PEOPLE!! YOU DONT HAVE A STRANGEHOLD ON THE PROPAGANDA ANYMORE! the rest of the world has moved on and know the white image of power and honor is old news. its boring. vanilla. i find it hilarious that alot of people will say will smith or beyonce need to stay away, but have no problem giving the extreme talentless girls like megan fox all the leeway in the world, or a gay dude like brandon routh to be superman. its over!! these old white images are dead, its time to move on. not everyone likes seeing the same white faces as heroes. so stop your crying, white people. STOP IT!
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First off, Beyonce is shrill and talentless, period. End of story, children. And enough with the racism crap. That's not what's happening here. One of my son's best friends - his parents are from india - dressed up as a power ranger, his sister, 5 as...tah-dah...Wonder Woman for Halloween. Kids can be whatever they want to be. So the Halloween comment post smacks of sweating paranoia. And consider this: A lot of people are ticked off Green Lantern will be Hal Jordan in the first film, not John Stewart, because Stewart was more prominent of course, in animation. But that's a case where there ARE genuine multiple options since there's more than one Lantern. So are you racist if you want a Hal Jordan Green Lantern film or anti-white if you want a John Stewart film? No, you're not. Hell, I want one w/ both, plus Guy Gardner, Kyle Rayner and most of all, Alan Scott, an old, wise Scott at that, so there you go. For me, it all comes down to an interp of the character as I know it and believe is true to the source material. Batman, from every decade, every view from artists/writers is valid. But elementally, Bruce Wayne's a traumatized-as-a-kid rich white guy. That's who he is. And BlackJack, though your post smacks of sarcasm/humor, I will say Will Smith raped my Wild Wild West since that's popular phrasology around here. MIB? Fun? Independence Day? More dopey fun. Even turkeys like I, Robot - watchable. But WWW? A burr in my personal saddle. Also honor is not old news. Not real honor.
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You seppos. Acting like you invented power.
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here you go:
http://issue.monkeymag.co.uk/1D491437bd76db1275.cde
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my point about her origin is a valid one. she is borne from greek mythology. suppose the other point is that superheroes have very strong iconography, after all they were initially visual not literary characters. I dont go with the whole 'I am legend - irobot' thing cos those characters were human and didnt have a specific iconography attached. Its a doomed character created for propaganda in WWII. Lets leave it be and focus on new international characters.... and blackjackbauer- megan fox wouldnt be my choice, if it were up to me, id scrap the whole idea and start fresh, but please stop the whole 'white image of power' shit- gilscott heron did it with far more style. We know, we agree, we dont make the movie, we love the movies, hence being on here and not writing racist comments on facebook...
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yeah she was white in the comics. so fucking what? i wouldn't go as far as black jack, but he has a point. a lot of those characters are white because they started way back when they had to be white. as long as they hold on to the spirit of the character, what does it matter? the halle berry Catwoman sucked because it was poorly scripted and directed, not because catwoman was black. nobody complains when Ra's Al Ghul goes from an arabic dude to liam neeson. yeah, he's not one of the "big 3" (whatever the fuck that is), but he was central to the film itself. wonder woman was a greek mythological character, she could have been a variety of skin tones or whatever, but the character was what it was because everything was white back in the day. keep the spirit of the character, a good lookin actress who can convincingly play the strong woman type and deal with the physicality of the role, and I'll be happy.
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so beyonce is out on all levels for you then....
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would that work?
Or kristen johnston...
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The Halloween comment wasn't really directed to you. It was more of a general statement towards those who feel that Wonder Woman has no name recognition. Sorry if it seems that I was focusing just on you. I should have clarified that by posting something like "Oh, and as for ALL OF YOU WHOT THINK THAT the idea of Wonder Woman being a character no one cares about, I guess you didn’t go out for Halloween.”
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For a movie that must embrace the camp. Look how Chuck is goofy fun. Look what he did with Charlie's Angels. Just as Bay is perfect for explosions, McG is perfect for stylized camp like this.
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If you want a hot, tall, busty female actress who doesn't take herself seriously, is willing to do campy flicks, isn't doing anything, and would come cheep, then look no further than Kristanna Loken. She was pretty hot blond, and pretty hot as a red head. Who says she can't pull off being a brunette?
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Then I would be able to relate to all the cool super hero characters
Instead I got stuck with falcon, Brother VooDoo, Black Goliath
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Yeah you have a very short list, but c'mon, Falcon and Black Panther are cool. At least your are not an American Indian and stuck only with Apache Chief and Thunderbird, who DIES on his first mission with the X-Men.
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LMAO so damn true. But there's also Shaman that Indian guy from Alpha Flight and of course there's Forge (X-Men)so it's not as bad as ya think, however Native American Comic characters for the most part, are very underexposed.
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She's hot but not suitable for the part and yes it's because she's Black and Prncess Diana is from a Grecoesque island/race. I'm all for a Black Nick Fury but this is very much against type.
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Nov 12, 2008 5:25:56 AM CST
Charlie's Angels proves this guy knows his kick-ass modern ladie
by kiddae
Oh wait, no it doesn't, it proves he has no grasp on gender issues and is a terrible filmmaker. Back to thinly (and not at all) veiled racism about Beyonce.
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As for McG? I think he'll surprise folk with Salvavtion.
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a random amazon or a rogue one but not main character. Let her be the villain.
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She could probably do the hot ditzy clueless thing well, but as a legitimate hero, I don't think so.
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That's her ethnicity, do it.
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Missy Peregrym is an amazingly gorgeous woman and would be very nice in the role. She kicks ass on Reaper.If they do go with someone non-Grecian for the role, I hope it is Peregrym.
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...a Supernatural/Reaper crossover. Since McG produces Supernatural, Peregrym is on Reaper, and both are on the same network...stranger things have happened, and it would be cool to see that happen.
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Would be a great Wonder Woman. Hopefully anyone other than McG will direct the film.
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...would be prefect for Wonder Woman. Both of them are good actresses, and they could play WW very well. However, my penis keeps telling me to cast Megan Fox, so that is what I am going to do." McG
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But of course it won't matter because whoever directs it will just make a big-screen version of the TV show, instead of paying any attention to the source material in the comics. Flying Wonder Woman? Nope. She'll have the stupid plane. The best melee combatant on earth? Nope. She'll be a WHAM SOCK POW cheeseball who does a lot of spin-kicks and uppercuts. I've been pushing for Lucy Lawless, as she's a true WOMAN instead of a girl, and she's got the look and build to do it. I'd accept Eva Green because she's got the tits, the beauty, and the acting chops to pull it off. Anyone else would suck. As for turning WW into a Black woman-- Look, I love Black women. I *prefer* Black women-- but Wonder Woman is GREEK, and should appear as such. Add to that the idea that she's literally mde from mud, and the idea of casting a Black woman becomes not just a bad casting stunt, but a potentially anti-black statement, and you've got the formula for disaster in casting a Black woman. Make any of her foes black. Make her American friends back. Cheetah IS black, now, isn't she? (I haven't kept up with DC over the past four years). Or hey, how about this: Make a movie about any of the Black female superheroes that already exist. A VIXEN movie would kick ass! Storm could have carried her own film (or one with the Black Panther) if they hadn't wasted the role on Halle Berry (bad actress, terrible attitude about her roles, but seriously hot). The thing is that there WAS a "Black Wonder Woman", and she was called Nubia (or Nu'Bia, depending which era you're talking about; Pre or post Crisis). She was trite and cliche in the comics, playing off the "she's my Black sister" angle to draw in Black readers... She was all Black power, rah rah rah, and rather an insulting character. If Beyonce took the role of Wonder Woman, she'd turn her into Nu'Bia, the Black Themyscirian and cheeseball the movie into Halle Berry's Catwoman territory. There are plenty of existing, serious, non-cheesy, non-insulting Black heroes today. We don't need to force Blackness into comics characters who aren't already Black. If they want a Black hero, then make a Black Lightning movie (Or, "Lightning" now, isn't it?) or look at how Marvel is working it out: Rhodey will be War Machine at some point, and with Cheadle on board, they may be making plans to have a spin-off War Machine movie. Betcha it won't be cheesy like Steel, Catwoman, or any of DC's other Black hero movies.
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...not be difficult, but somehow Hollywood is making it that way. There are at minimum 20 actresses out there right now that would be prefect for the role, and Beyonce is not one of them. The script practically writes itself. Just adapt what you already have in the comics! The main story would be how WW adapts to life in the 21st century after growing up on an island of Amazons who hate men. They use them for sex to get pregnant, and then kill them. The main villain could be Cheetah, Ares, Circe...it really doesn't matter. If you make a good movie then the people will come to see it. I don't get it...what the fuck is taking so long?
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retired. one of the actors from Xena committed suicide.
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WB doesn't seem to give a rat's ass about continuity except for Superman and Batman, do they? Diana is an Amazon from **GREEK** mythology. She's supposed to look literally like a Greek goddess.
Beyonce's a good looking woman, but Greek goddess she ain't.
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bad director. bad actress. fuck this shit. way to suck dc, this can go right next to catwoman and superman returns on the shelf of superhero movies NOT to see. Fuck this. someone in dc contact guillermo deltorro to do a sandman movie for fucks sake, wonder woman isnt even interesting.
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That's hot
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Ok...kidding aside but serious. Is it possible to do this material justice. Of course. Is it possible to find a Wonder Woman without perusing the used CD bin at FYE? Of course. Should skin color be the first priority? Of course not. Should skin color (ethinicity) be considered? Of course.Does any of this mean we'll actually get a watchable 'Wonder Woman' much less something that isn't a horrid piece of clammy shit? Doubtful.Oh and I've got perfect/fantasy casting: Sigourney Weaver. She's too old now and she'd never have done it but she'd be perfect. At the end of the day, I've never cared about the character and kinda think her abilities are kinda dumb (invisible plane and a lasso that forces you to tell the truth? wtf? why not an indestructible toaster oven? or a gold & red bandana boomerang that doubles as a submarine?). The conceptual comic-book idea of Wonder Woman is just kinda dumb so whoever does this has a tremendous amount of work cut out for him or herself.It's very possible, and very unlikely.
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in the JSA movie. What JSA movie? Well, why not?
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If you're upset about this, follow these instructions:
CFE stands for Creativity For Entertainment.
And this is something that has been waning in recent years. Seems most of the projects coming out of mainstream American entertainment has to be remade from an earlier (and usually SUPERIOR) work. It has been frankly disturbing how prevalent this trend is today in movies and television...moreso the former, of course.
Why do they do it? Lack of original ideas? Appeal to the adults who grew up with the originals? Saving money? The (inaccurate) belief that things always need to be reimagined to appeal to younger audiences who hate anything "old"?
Whatever the reason, a stand needs to be made. And hopefully it will begin NOW. I propose that if you believe what I believe, to join this petition to get a couple of standards established:
1) Remaking older movies or using "hipped"-up versions of classic television shows should be looked upon as a form of PLAGIARISM. Someone does a movie, it's DONE. THAT'S IT.
2) There should be a time limit on making sequels; i.e. you can only do one within a to-be-determined amount of time.
3) Exceptions can be made for a character or franchise that lends itself to multiple continuities. (mostly applies to comic book characters, cartoon characters with more than one continuity, etc. However, it must be agreed to have source material available to follow AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE, and/or a source that has worked extensively with the source material.)
Feel free to add others you think should be mentioned.
Then, copy this whole message to an email, and add your name to start a list below and forward it to your other friends, etc. If you get the email by the time we are up to a multiple of 50 signatures (50, then 100, 150, etc. etc.), sign the email AND forward a copy to the major movie studio of your choice, and/or your local or national senator.
We are on the brink in general of possible change in America. I can't see how this couldn't extend to many aspects of life, including the ones we're entertained by.
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Billy Dee was Harvey Dent for two seconds in Batman.
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Nov 12, 2008 3:50:00 PM CST
Well if race doesn't matter anymore neither should age
by damien chowder
or gender. Double standards is my ultimate hate. I want Michael Clark Duncan or Chow Yun Fat as Wonder Woman. Also please CGI a hand out because I want her handicapped too and au natural with the armpit hairs. WW has more important things to do than to shave her pits.
p.s. I am not joking.
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...Denise Milani:
http://tinyurl.com/5wtc6v
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http://tinyurl.com/66xq67
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Just because she looks hot in a photo doesn't mean you should get all...oh sweet Jesus! Look at the size of her...uhh! I think I have to change pants...
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and consider someone who more resembles a Brian Bolland painting/illustration. Megan Fox and/or Rhona Mitra.
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Since this IS Abrams Superman all over again, and who helped to stop it?
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stand her on an apple box. Easy peasy. Or get shorter co-stars.
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Nov 13, 2008 3:15:54 AM CST
From a well thought out Whedon version to mcg? Fuck Hollywood!
by chien_sale
seriously it's been a rampage of studios hiring mediocre guys with GI Joes, Tarzan, Conan and now Wonder Woman.
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I told WB to go to rehab, they said NO NO NO...
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I actually looked up the GL script meant for you-know-who, as I couldn't hate them more right now. (Check it out now if you want to be pissed: http://www.iesb.net/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=122)
Thank God this won't be happening. Oh who am I kidding, given the WW news, I bet they have it off the side just waiting to use again. Heck, THIS can be their JLA movie: have Wonder Beyotch from here, the Jud Plato Green Lantern (Jack Black, duh), Will Smith as Superman (DARING AND REVOLUTIONARY~!), Ashton Kutcher as Batman, one of the Jonas Brothers as Robin, Hayden Christensen as The Flash, Keanu Reeves Plastic Man, Steel (Shaquille O'Neal), Wonder Girl (Miley Cyrus), Batgirl (Alicia Silverstone, duh), Hawkman and Hawkgirl (Marc Anthony and Britney Spears), Aquaman (Seth Rogen), Martian Manhunter (George Lopez), Blue Beetle and Booster Gold (Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson), and Catwoman (Halle Berry, who'd end up leading the team...hey it's not the first time she got a role she didn't deserve because she has an Oscar). They would face the Injustice Gang of Mr. Freeze (Arnold version), Cheetah (Paris Hilton), Circe (Madonna), Riddler (Jim Carrey version), Joker (some rap guy, made up to look like the version from The Batman), Nuclear Man from Superman IV, Retarded Bane from B&R, Giganta (Jennifer Lopez), Brainiac (Will Ferrell), Sinestro (Chris Rock), and Lex Luthor (Vin Diesel, and we're going with the Kryptonian version from the "FlyBy" script accordingly). Director unknown, but Joel Schumacher is in negotiations.
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