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Joe Johnston To Direct CAPTAIN AMERICA!!!
Beaks here...
He may not be the splashiest choice, but as far as I'm concerned, there's no one more qualified to direct CAPTAIN AMERICA than the man who gave us THE ROCKETEER.
Mark it down on your calendar: Joe Johnston's FIRST AVENGER: CAPTAIN AMERICA will storm into theaters on May 6th, 2011. It will be set during World War II, and will help set up the forthcoming AVENGERS film (along with THOR and IRON MAN 2). Here's Marvel honcho Kevin Feige on Johnston via The Hollywood Reporter:
"This is a guy who designed the vehicles for 'Star Wars,' who storyboarded the convoy action sequence for 'Raiders of the Lost Ark,' " Feige said. "From 'Rocketeer' to 'October Sky' to 'The Wolfman,' you can look at pieces of his movies and see how they lead to this one."
According to the Reporter story, Johnston has been hugging the inside track for the CAPTAIN AMERICA gig for two years. There's no screenwriter attached at the moment, but Marvel expects to hire one shortly. For more details, click here.
Update: thanks to talk backer "grandadmiralsnackbar" for finding the Nazi propaganda cartoon from THE ROCKETEER on YouTube!
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Er, frist!
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that is all.
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Sike! Cap's a bitch!
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Nov 10, 2008 12:11:01 AM CST
i just want to log on here to make sure no one says anything abo
by robamenta
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Let's do this!
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Rocketeer and Jumanjii are good enough for me.
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That the balls are rolling. Cap, Thor, Iron Mans...whew. The Avengers is looming on the horizon like a giant pizza tempting a starving man.
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...it should be titled CAPTAIN AMERICA: FIRST AVENGER.
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A jingoistic, obnoxious asshole is not my idea of Captain America.
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this could really go anywhere... I did enjoy the rocketeer though!
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Per IESB.
The good news? I'm not a big enough comic fan to care if these two directors pull a Pitof on their respective superheroes.
Maybe other talkbackers here can explain to me why I should care about either of these two characters.
In fairness, before I saw Favreau and Downey make Iron Man's story relatable to a more general audience, I couldn't have cared about that character either. So who knows? If these two guys channel Favreau or Sam Raimi instead of Pitof, maybe in a couple of years I will care about these characters.... -
get to be directors...especially when i just got a job as a concept artist/ storyboarder :)
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In Not Another Not Another Movie, a send-up of the send-ups!
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The Rocketeer hasn't held up well. Was hoping for someone who'd had the potential to go Brubaker/Epting-esque. But...the choice could be worse.
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..."Wow, this guy should make Captain America!" Stop, I'm playin'. Johnston gets nothing but Rocketeer props from me. Gyllenhaal in October Sky IS basically Steve Rogers pre-serum, but does anybody else think this seems off? Or am I too used to hackwork for movies like this?
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In America they have first black president. In Russian we have Dobby for the harry potter as president. heh heh heh.
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Come on, sure the Rocketeer has held up well. It's better than Kingdom of the Crystal Skull as an Indiana Jones ripoff and it doesn't even have Richard Chamberlain as the star. Plus, it also has Jennifer Connoly in her prime and some damn good old-school model and blue screen work. Finally, Johnston's pedigree is evidence enough for a potential an art-deco superhero film. If Capt. America comes up to meet the very low expectations set by most of the shit on the screens at the multi-plex, it will be the Saturday afternoon treat the Rocketeer has become.
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Just putting that out there...
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in which he actually says something (damn you enter key). interesting choice, considering the similarities between the rocketeer and iron man. not blown away by this choice, but excited that a captain america movie is moving forward. of the remaining marvel heroes, i think he has the most movie potential. in my experience, everyone thinks cap is lame until you give them some captain america comics to read and they see how kick-ass he is. let's hope the movie holds up that trend.
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When Dalton turns on the German accent after he's found out, fuckin' comic gold.
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Nov 10, 2008 12:51:45 AM CST
"Surrender? You think this letter on my head stands for France?"
by monkeybrains
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JP3 is another good one. Fuck the haters.
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Nov 10, 2008 12:52:37 AM CST
I'll give you JC in her prime (that EW cover from that time
by dingbatty
is a keeper), but the action is sparse and clunky, but I'm not entirely pessimistic about this choice. I just hope they look at the recent book and back to Steranko's run for inspiration.
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I meant to type.
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on the action scenes, not the best. But then again, the film does have James Horner's Star Trek II/Cocoon/Aliens score attached to it. Is it Khan in the Mutara Nebula or is it Paul Sorvino at the Club? You make the call...
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he's a hack. he brings nothing interesting to the table. wolfman by romanek would have been more interesting in terms of both form & content. '1hour photo' isn't perfect, but it's shot in such a way that you can feel him reaching for that complex sympathy for the loner that so many great 1970's pictures exhibited. johnston, on the other hand, gets the job done in half baked medium shots, and perfunctory close ups. i like my genre pics w/ a spec of spice, and joe is about as provocative as a plumber.
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It was a perfectly contained little movie and it worked. Can't wait to see Wolfman. This is a decent workmanlike director. Kind of like the dude who is directing the latest Harry Potter movies. It works. It will do well. Do any of you consider Favreau some kind of auteur?
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Nazi propaganda cartoon is on youtube. If anything like that makes it to Captain America, it will dispell any concerns. Captain America should be a bit schmaltzy to begin, then turn sufficiently dark.
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Loved the Rocketeer, Cap's my favorite hero, this is great news.
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It was a small story with an epic sweep. Had a few bits of silliness, but was a very solid and fun film. The sort they don't make anymore.
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I love The Rocketeer. It's in my top 5 comic book films of all time. I think this is a perfect match of material and talent.
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No not really. Just have Cap kicking the shit out of the SS and Red Skull. I'll be happy with that.
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This makes up for not getting a Rocketeer sequel! The tone of that movie is perfect for the introduction of Cap.
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Got a link to that toon? YouTube's search function isn't succinct. I agree that there should be some idealistic corny-ness to Cap, and not too on the angsty, grim-n-gritty side.
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if it were too silly/romanticized.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMQwT9z0Jyc&feature=related Hopefully, this wont stretch any of the talk back out.
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No need for set up. No scientific ethics babel. It was just, plant the people on Monster Island as quickly as possible and watch the shit hit the fan. That's what I want out of a dinosaur movie.
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is there a good version of it on dvd? damn another one to add to the 'to buy' list...
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...and it better be f'n good.
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Yeah. This is a great thing. Jurassic Park 3 and The Rocketeer and Hidalgo were all enjoyable movies with good action set-pieces. And THAT'S what I want in my superhero flicks. Can't wait for Cap.
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After seeing him in THE STRANGERS as far as how he looked physically and his acting, I think he would be a pretty decent Captain America....
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Matt Damon going to be announced as the star?
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I know I will get flamed for that but honestly I think it would work out well. Now I will slip into my flame suit. Let the hate begin.
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The Rocketeer was a steaming pile of shit. I love comic book movies and I will probably watch the Rocketeer the next time it is on TV. But, I will never buy the DVD.
It was cheesy and campy as hell. The character development was a joke. The characters were based on cookie cutter personalities that only exist in a saturday morning cartoon.
I can't believe Marvel would make such a huge mistake.
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I would make a comment about that movie...but I forgot about it a little less then five minutes after I saw it. Jumanji was the BOMB though!
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Rocketeer + Joe Johnston = Captain America from 1990
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it's a classic! How dare you! Matt Salinger's tour de force performance as a superhero awoken in a world he no longer recognize should have earned him an Academy Award! And the post-german/italian Red Skull was all kinds of awesome!
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was a piece of shit, agreed.
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If you're lucky they will cast Jack from your favourite movie ever as Cap. Then you can pretend he survived the cold, cold water to fight WW2. Then you can stop crying.
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joe's first feature and rock solid escaism in my opinion. He has a solid grasp on how to make a movie timeless. Count me down as interested in seeing take on captain america.
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Anyone who thinks Joe Johnston who Directed the Rocketeer is a good idea can kiss my ass and go watch your loving Uwe Boll films.
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Who would you want to direct Captain America?
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He did some nice World War 1 pulp stuff for Young Indy.
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Nov 10, 2008 2:30:30 AM CST
Solid choice for a director just make sure the script is good
by spifftacular squirrel girl
As far as casting, just get Alexander Skarsgard to the gym, bulk him up a little and you have your Cap.
On a sidenote... I still find it funny that if someone thinks a director you like is horrible, you are officially an Uwe Boll fan. -
I was kinda saving bulked up Young Skarsgard for Thor ;) Skarsgard For Asgard!
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he's directing this? Damn he's mutitalented.
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Nov 10, 2008 2:37:10 AM CST
Marvel's tailoring their choices to the specific characters. Co
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Leterrier (action guy) for Hulk, Favreau (laid-back cool) for Iron Man, Branagh (Shakespeare!) for Thor, and now Johnston (old-fashioned adventure fun) for Cap. Obviously, some of these choices will work out better than others, but I like their general line of thinking here.
I'm just worried about whoever's gonna direct The Avengers. He's gonna have to mash all these totally different styles into something that's not just one giant mess. That'll be no easy task.Random Cap note: I really hope he gets James Newton Howard to do the score. I liked his work with Johnston on Hidalgo (and well, every other score he's ever done). While James Horner would be the obvious choice, and I still love his Rocketeer theme, he just bores me now. -
And as soon as The Spirit bombs, he'll be available.Of course, I would be saying Tom Jane or Aaron Eckhart, both of whom were MADE for Cap, but they're both now identified with much bigger comic book properties. Jane's available, but I'm pretty sure people still remember him as the Punisher. There's still hope for Macht, though, if the Spirit fails as badly as I think it will. Plus, he looks nothing like the Spirit in real life, and more like Cap, so people probably wouldn't even recognize him.
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Nov 10, 2008 2:49:30 AM CST
The Rocketeer Is The Best Super Hero Movie Ever Made!!!
by media messiah
The Rocketeer is a classic super hero film, and is just plain brilliant. I am glad to see that at least someone at Marvel is paying attention to the posts on AICN.com which I and others have written in the past praising The Rocketeer!!!
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Are you fucking kidding me flickchick85? Really? Since when did Thor become some sexually ambiguous pussy? Also when did the comic book Thor become some weird indie to pretentious for its own good?
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A director who know how to make films, not flashy, empty, soulless dreck like The Hack Pack churns out. The Rocketeer is absolutely brilliant.
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Alexander Skarsgard, born 1976, 1.93 tall, have the amazing ability to grow a beard, scandinavian, blonde, has a hammer in his garage in Sweden. With special Hollywood vitamins he would be the perfect Ultimate Thor.
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Congratulations on showing zero knowledge of great filmmaking.
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I just solved it. If Lunchbox is to busy to play Cap get Seth Rogen, he's Kevin Smith lite.
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It seems like it's more important for them to get the film made than wait for a director good enough to make it well. We shall see. I expect these films to be kind of "ok".
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Culdn't stand it. And what does Headgeek mean "the sort they don't make in more." LOL Makes it sound like it was decades ago that it was released. Only 4 years ago the movie came out.
But I don't mind Joe Johnston. I am sure this will be a decent Marvel film considering there track record lately. Marvel has a plan (unlike DC and that seems to even be reflected in their books) and stock holders to answer to so this isn't going to get F'd up. Let WB continue to F up their DC heroes and cast Beyonce as Wonder Woman. -
One of the most underrated movies of all time in my opinion.
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The rest was ok. Hated the T-Rex killer. With his stupid phone in the belly. And talking to raptors through that skull??? PFfff. Oh well. Gimme part 4!
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If only for one scene...
The Lost World actually had a young girl best a raptor, something considered one of the deadliest hunters ever, with gymnastic skills. JP3 was far from perfect but it's automatically a better film just for not having that scene. -
i want a trilogy of cap flicks all set in ww2. forget modern day cap. just cap vs the red skull. + nazis.
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One bored me to death but had cool dinosaur effects. Obviously revolutionary. Two was an obvious money grab and a total piece of crap. And after Spielberg hitting that career low, three could only get better.
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Is he in the comics?
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Well thank you. I thought someone was talking about Peter Sarsgaard. The guy married to that guy who played Batmans love interested after Katie Holms was taken captive by Tommy. Don't really other Scandinavian named actor. I guess he'll do, though I say Charlie Hunnam or Nathan Jones for Thor.
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There is always talk about who to cast as Cap but they should get someone just as good as the Red Skull. I'm kind of pulling for Gary Oldman. I miss him playing the bad guy.
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Oh, don't forget those prosthetic ears on the Cowl/Mask.
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Why not? If there ever was an actor that could make a entirely red character to life he's your man. Maybe putting him in some bigger movies it'll draw more attention to his more arty indie movies like Hellboy.
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Isn't good enough to direct Wolfman, but he's the perfect choice for Captain America?
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How can you like part 3 better then 2??? Part 2 was a pure horror/survival movie. From the brilliant opening with the hunt on the Dinosaurs, till the RV cliff scene with the T-rex, till T-Kong in the city. And the raptors where awesome in this one. The cornfield scene! And it still had the T-Rex as a badass instead of a pussysaur. And the soundtrack was brilliant.
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Man Peter Stormare should be Thor. Or he'd make a good Red Skull.
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While Johnson doesn't get me giddy with anticipation, he's a solid filmmaker. I will have to search down a copy of Rocketeer. Haven't seen it in 15 years.
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I have a feeling that Marvel was hoping they could land Spielberg and eventually settled for Spielberg Lite. That said, I think it's more important at this point that they get the film made than waste time angling for a director you might never get to begin with. Johnston is competent, he does have an Old Hollywood sensibility, so while I can't say this news excites me the way Branagh doing Thor or Edgar Wright doing Ant-Man does, I'm just glad to hear that this pre-Avengers stuff is finally beginning to materialize.
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Cap... Jared Leto, Red Skull... Thomas Kretschmann, Hitler... Tobey Maguire (and get Raimi to "Guest Direct" those sequences)
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Just remember Captain America is the perfect human specimen, the peak in athletic ability. According to my trusty old Marvel Handbooks, he is 6'2 and 240lbs (and I remember when he met the Power Broker they mention that he is 2% body fat). And while Cap in muscular and ripped, he isn’t some pumped up bodybuilder or pro-wrestler, his muscle is for work not for show. He is like a middle-linebacker, mixed martial artist and male gymnast all rolled in one. To give you an idea of how ripped he is supposed to be, Randy Couture, who is nicknamed Captain America, is 6’2” and 228lbs, and at best 8% body fat. And he is one of the greatest mixed martial artists ever! While some of these guys you have mentioned might be good-looking specimens and have pretty good builds, they are not going to resemble anything that looks like the perfect human. I think it is time to start casting an unknown athlete or fighter.
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And that's all I have to say about that.
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was originally planned as the ending to JP2(or a variation on it), but the powers that be wanted a T-Rex in the city scene. If they'd used the birdcage ending, not had the daughter of Goldblum character, and had more Stormare then JP2 would have been awesome.
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The guy behind the criminally underrated period-piece/superhero yarn 'Rocketeer' having a crack at WWII-era Captain America.This will rock, folks!
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...you know it makes sense!
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Nice idea, but it doesn't work. See Sam J. Jones in 'Flash Gordon'. From the stills,he looked the tits: athletic and muscular - like he was carved from teak. Unfortunately, he also acted like he was carved from teak...
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...Cap better have fucking wings on his gawd damned mask.
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...I think this a more inspired choice for a director than most of you are able to recognize.
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Marvel might want a big name like Spielberg, but in the end they can't control Spielberg. He's just too big and too powerful. Marvel is doing this right. Decent directors and a strong production company to oversee everything. They have to be the dictators OVER the directors for this whole thing to gel. This is the greatest cinematic experiment of our time and we are living through it! I love this!
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by Bru and Epting is my ideal approach to this movie. I fear that it'll get too cute. It certain doesn't need to be all grim and heavy, but needs a balance between the extremes that could be taken with this particular character.
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it had beautiful cinematography. but the story was zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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Always loved that film.
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They realized that you can't repeat the people-run-from-dinosaurs-premise of the franchise to eternity (in fact, even the first re-hash of it didn't work well anymore) and made a quick and entertaining actionspectacle with a sense for dark humor. (I mean, come on! The pile of shit that they were digging through to find the cellphone was Michael Jeter!)
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Loved The Rocketeer, and can definitely see a Johnston Capt America, this film needs to have that unending quality of hope that Rocketeer had. And to the talkbacker that said Aaron Eckhart for Capt - right on sir.
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As will this. Very excited by this!
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Johnston is a good filmmaker, perhaps not the best director, but as a whole a good filmmaker. His special effects background really shows in his directorial efforts, and the few films his given us have all been enjoyable. I find it interesting that they're going to set it during World War II--I didn't see that one coming.
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The A$$holes on here (I believe it was them) were right. As long as he can carry a whole picture he'd be perfect.
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Yeah, you, Mr. "The Rocketeer was a steaming pile of shit." Aren't you the same ass-pickle who called Die Another Day a "great" Bond movie?
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Although I still think Hidalgo sucked
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...Johnston is less "Spielberg-lite" than Spielberg himself these days.
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I couldn't be happier with the choice Marvels made. Johnston is more than competant to direct Captain America. Now just get Josh Hartnett to play Steve Rogers and you've got your Captain America movie. How about Phillip Seymour Hoffman for the Red Skull? Or will he be too busy playng the Penguin?
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I would love more hardcore WWII movies. I hope he takes a few pages from Saving Private Ryan also.
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Lovely.
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1) we have to see that he's worthy of being a leader to tony stark, bruce banner and thor, in other words he has to be cooler than them all
2)for fuck sake get a more muscular guy this time, cap is supposedly the pinnacle of human physical condition, no skinny, normal build guys this time please
3)ne needs to be a fuckin amazing acrobat and fighter, cap stood toe to toe fighting the freakin Batman (in Marvel Vs DC) no one should be able to top Cap in hand to hand combat and it should be evident
4)and of course, NO WINGS ON CAPTAIN = FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = NIPPLES ON BATMAN
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I don't give a shit.
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The dude is perfect for the role.
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"The Rocketeer was a steaming pile of shit. I love comic book movies and I will probably watch the Rocketeer the next time it is on TV."Huh? So even if it's a vile movie in your eyes, you'll still watch it?
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With this choice for director, I'm afraid that CAPTAIN AMERICA will be little more than...a popcorn-flick (if you know what I mean). Sure, they could do much worse. But I was hoping for a director who would immediately give CAPTAIN AMERICA center stage...and the attention the character deserves (assuming the story & script is worthy). Say what you will about Michael Bay, but I would've been much more excited for what he would bring, in the way that he knows action and effects, while having a visual sense of the iconic. And obviously, there are a number of other directors whom would raise the stakes for such a picture, as I was only mentioning Michael Bay as one example. As is, my expectations have dropped, figuring the bar has been lowered to accommodate this project. In that way, I find that to be most unfortunate. So, ...here's to hoping that I'll be pleasantly surprised. Again, this could be so much more,...even on the level of THE DARK KNIGHT (if all the right elements came together). But I certainly won't be expecting that.
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Right?!
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...the Red Skull has no nose and isn't Italian and Cap's cowl doesn't have rubber ears attached to the outside of it, I'm on board!
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Nov 10, 2008 7:21:10 AM CST
The fight to direct the Avengers movie will be epic
by dracula_wants_the_amulet
What happens to the Losers. How sore and deep do the wounds go when they are told "NO" ???
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The Rocketeer. Young Indiana Jones. October Sky. Those are films of a guy who has at least a better than average shot at giving us a good Captain America film.
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I mentioned Micheal Bay for what he would bring to this project, in terms of his visual talent. However, that doesn't exactly boost my "popcorn flick" theory. The fact that Michael Bay would've elevated my excitement for a Captain America "popcorn flick" ...should convey my lack of enthusiasm for Joe Johnston. I admit that Johnston has enough talent to surprise us all. It's just that I don't expect it. In my eyes, he still has lots to prove (as a director).
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Matthew McConaughy?Hadn't thought of him, fella, but you're right, he'd work a treat!
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I KNOW! Look, McConaughey has the goddamn body of a fucking GOD. It's freaking ridiculous, motherfucker looks like a Greek Statue. He really is the only person I could even picture in the role!
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Nah, too much baggage. I like him, but like some of the more famous faces out there, he'll look a bit silly in the mask. The role of Captain America should be a star MAKER, not a star vehicle.
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One needs to concieve of a Raimi-esque ripoff, taking the meek Maguire and transforming him into the "Pumpin' Iron" Arnold, except with less force sodomy. Take a geeky, non-Labeouf younger actor and franchise it up. Action figure, lunch box, cereal, etc... As long as he doesn't pull a Vincent Chase on Aquafag, you'll have a two or three film arc or a viable Avengers cast member. You have to think TPTB are in the same camp.
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Not that I'm a particular fan, but so far there's been little to no buzz on it. Wouldn't mind a Hawkeye or Black Widow movie though.
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Just look him up.
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Just watched The Rocketeer again after not seeing it for quite a while, and it's a really solid flick. It's a shame that it didn't do better in the box office than it did, especially with how fantastic Jennifer Connelly's rack is.
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...it has to be someone blond and blue-eyed, or else a key element of the character is lost. This is essential.
The Nazis waged war to rid Europe (and eventually the world) of what they perceived to be "untermenschen". The enhanced Steve Rogers, super-human and with looks which correspond to the mythical Nazi "Aryan", could easly have defected and lived the life of a demi-god in the Third Reich. Captain America is a figure who shows that there are ideals higher than racism and bigotry. His very "Aryaness" is part of what makes him such a demoralizing foe for the Nazis. -
...should be the directive handed down. DocPazuzu is on the mark with his analysis of what Rogers should look like, with the borderline Christ-tempation moment offered to him. But please no Aaron Eckhart, there must be a viable alternative.
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jurassic park 3 was awful but he can definitely mesh the action with the fun. I loved Rocketeer as a kid.All he needs is a good script, and we'll see Cap kick some ass.
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Michael Bay over the guy who made the Rocketeer? This is almost on level with your spirited defense of HD-DVD! C'mon.....you know I had to say it.
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I saw the Rocketeer back in the day at the El Capitain in Hollywood (which I believe was the first film shown there). I was dissapointed. Can't remember 2 seconds of it now.
But Kevin Feige is the man. When he speaks about the Marvel characters and the vision of this film universe he's trying to cobble together, I feel warm and cuddly. He's looking thru the same goggles we are. -
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I love "The Rocketeer" and want to see a Captain America film that looks like a WW2/serial throwback instead of the Michael Bay style of filmmaking. Honestly, it should play more like an epic than a superhero film - with politicians, generals, supporting characters, etc.
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Sheesh, so assholes, who would you like to direct this?
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Would be an amazing Steve Rogers. The guy can do angst, he can do funny, he can do knowingly cheesy - he's known enough by the fanboys so they'd accept him, but not enough so that the mainstream audiences will go in knowing what to expect.
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not seen you around. Nice beatdown on Anchorite, though. My commiserations over Conan.
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If race really doesn't matter, then why not have the box office champion as Captain America? Of course, when it comes to bringing iconic comic book characters to the screen, it really does matter. HOWEVER, due to the political correctness nazis, you are not allowed to say that in public. You are forced to say that Will isn't right for the role for unknown reasons. Its just a feeling, really, a gut reaction. When I see a tall, muscular, white skinned, blue eyed, blond haired actor in his late 20's or early 30's, then I will get that gut feeling that this guy is best suited for the role...and it should be Mark Valley.
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is a festering piece of shit that would be embarrasing on anyone's career. But on Spielberg it's as noticeable as a tarantula on a slice of Angel food.
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"That's what I love about getting stuck in ice, man. Villains get older, and I stay the same age."
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I think that when you compare Michael Bay to Joe Johnston, you can sense that...if the story & script is right, if Johnston is aiming for an iconic style that Bay is known for (perhaps with a touch of Alex Ross artistry), this could be something very special. Here's to hoping that Johnston will stretch...and reach for Marvel gold!
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You, Sir, have won the internets and taken the field. Well played indeed.
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and go get Dennis Quaid circa The Right Stuff. You got your Cap right there. If only it could be so.
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You all know this to be perfect casting.
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Johnson got it because Marvel has a tone and visual style they want. Watch Iron Man/The Incredible Hulk back to back, and you'll notice they have the same look. Bay is incapable of pulling that look off, but Johnson can because he's less flashy. Give him a good script (and Fillion), and he'll nail it.
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He proved that pulp and fun is not the best Captain America, but hardcore, post Saving Private Ryan/Espionage is the way to go. Fail.
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has obviously not read Ed Brubaker's Captain America, not only one of the greatest runs ever in comic books but the definitive Captain America. The Flashbacks are how the movie should be filmed. Grim, World War 2, Bucky as an assassin.
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You need to introduce Cap in the pulpy/goofy setting otherwise he'd get laughed out of the cinema. Get the audiences prepped with a great WWII story, and they'll look past the fucking odd yet iconic costume and by the end of the movie they'll be sold for the Avengers movie in the present day.
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That'd never sell for the first mainstream Captain America film.
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I see where you're going. I don't see anything in the news to suggest the film can't be shot like the flashbacks.
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It also wouldn't really fit the "universe" marvel are creating...
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Just like a crime drama for batman wouldn't sell. And I don't mean gore and blood, but filming style. Serious War movie.
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Laughed at? If Marvel decided to introduce Cap at the beginning of the avengers like the ultimates with a World War 2 scene which in the book is basically saving private ryan, you think it would get laughed at? All i see is a theatre with jaws on the floor. A good movie is a good movie even if it seems atypical, people saw this with Dark Knight, it was a serious movie. An audience would be blown away by a Brubaker-esque Cap movie.
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Except that a crime drama for Batman was released in 2008, forty years after West, and almost two decades after Burton. Captain America has never been done on a cinema screen, so they can't try and subvert the character - he's got to have the feel people expect of him now, then in twenty years you can subvert that. It's difficult to subvert cinematically if there's nothing previous to subvert.
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so are you telling me you have to make a shitty version before they should make the reboot version. that is fucking stupid. they should make a GOOD movie based on the potential of Captain America which is Ed Brubaker's Cap. That is the movie that should be made. People don't even know what Cap is about. By your theory Batman Begins should have been a silly superhero movie like Fantastic Four because that is what people expected.
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as I was getting low on them!
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No. I am merely saying that you saying 'oh, let's make it like The Dark Knight' doesn't work because the reason (for you guys, not me) 'The Dark Knight' worked was because it subverted what people expected... which you can only do when people have knowledge of something. That's why Brubaker's work (for you) is so good, because it's playing with your perceptions of what Captain America is. You can't play with the perceptions of people if they don't have a real perception of the character. And I'm not advocating a bad film, but suggesting a gritty Captain America film - at this stage - would struggle to make its budget back.
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A B&W newsreel montage showing Cap in action throughout the entire war. DO NOT have him frozen after his first mission, so when he does come back its a "holy shit" moment for the world, a-la Marvels #2. The screenwriter needs to read the stories by Kirby, Waid, DeMatties, Steranko, and above all else Roger Stern & John Bryne, whose short run still remains the definative take on Cap. Brubaker's run doesn't count because it was never about Steve Rogers, just killing him off so a petulantly retconned Bucky would give Marvel a pissy gritty Captain America with a gun.
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(If Marvel decided to introduce Cap at the beginning of the avengers like the ultimates with a World War 2 scene which in the book is basically saving private ryan, you think it would get laughed at?) It wouldn't get laughed at, it'd get stunned silence as people would have no idea how to react to it. Then you'd get people leaving the theatre.
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(If Marvel decided to introduce Cap at the beginning of the avengers like the ultimates with a World War 2 scene which in the book is basically saving private ryan, you think it would get laughed at?) It wouldn't get laughed at, it'd get stunned silence as people would have no idea how to react to it. Then you'd get people leaving the theatre.
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Fantastic choice of casting, really excellent news.
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"It wouldn't get laughed at, it'd get stunned silence as people would have no idea how to react to it. Then you'd get people leaving the theatre." Quite possibly the most retarded thing ever posted by someone on aintitcool. Obviously you haven't read Ultimates #1 nor Brubaker's Captain America, probably no Captain America.
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Good enough. An appropriate choice, methinks.
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...was freakin' AWESOME!!!! And I'd LOVE to see that scene in this flick, at some point. :-D
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Firstly, you're an absolute idiot if you think that's the most retarded thing ever posted here, and I feel genuinely sorry for you. Secondly, I read Ultimates #1. If that's the Captain America we get, I might skip the film. Just an awful characterisation. Thirdly - I'm kidding, there is no third. Life's just too short to argue with people on the Internet who stick to their base knowledge and refuse to engage in a debate so much as a 'fuck you, I'm right' fest. Far as I can see it, you can consider yourself right all you want, you've clearly ignored nearly every valid point I put out there.
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Nov 10, 2008 9:49:10 AM CST
Let's put Cap in a '60s-era Corvette & drive it off a cliff
by gruntybear
Wait. Actually that might work in this instance.
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Damn it!! --Come on, Johnston!! Opportunity just doesn't get any better than this!! Storyboard the hell out of it!!
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We know from Firefly that the guy can play a charismatic leader. And the "I aim to misbehave" speech from Serenity cemented it in my mind - the guy could play one hell of a Cap. But, please do NOT give us Millar's more "realistic" Cap from Ultimates - that guy was a straight-up A-Hole. I want to, you know, actually LIKE Captain America, and so will the audience. But, but, Do take a good look at the Ultimates for Cap's costume. The WW II version should be followed verbatim, and the modern version is pretty good, too, although I thought the stars on the shoulders were pretty stupid.
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Vehoeven. You know it to be true.
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2 best scenes:
1. Cap is tied to a rocket and grabs the Red Skulls arm. Red Skull cuts his own arm off to free himself. Why not cut Captian America's arm off???? 2. Cap is in a VW car with a reporter. He pretends to be sick and get out to vomit. When the reporter checks to see if he is okay, Cap runs for the car and steals it. -
Thats just stupid these days.
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Johnston at least looked like he was trying. JP2 was Spielberg phoning it in so he could do something he actually wanted to do. Doubt me? I submit to you the gymnastics flipping girl. Awful.
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Rented it last week. Meh. Better than the 1st but still pretty boring.
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No. It sucked. And it didn't even comple close to being as good as Ang's masterpiece. Roth and Hurt both phoned it in and the CGI was atrocious.
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I've never been much of a Cap fan, but after reading Ultimates 1 and 2, and reading a large portion of Brubaker's run on Captain America, I started to love the character. If they can combine Brubaker's espionage/gritty/pulp style with Millar's version of Cap (his origin with his increasing discomfort with how the US has changed once he's out of his block of ice), then the script would be nigh unbeatable.
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Both were turds but I think JP2 was the better of the 2 turds.
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If they think they will have trouble selling a movie overseas called "Captain America", then release it overseas as "The First Avenger" but let us here in N.A. have our "Captain America" movie. Something tells me "Captain America & The Invaders" wouldn't go over any better. How about "Captain America and the All-Winners Squad"?
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While the Rocketeer was fun, it lacked any of the emotional resonance and complexity of something like Indiana Jones - the film was deliberately and exclusively a serial. Hidalgo is what gives me hope that we may see a Cap movie worth watching more than once.
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Who ever thinks it was better than Ang's are super deluded. The Incredible Hulk tried to do a thinking mans Hulk... Uhm Ang did that already.. you dumb fucks.
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Nov 10, 2008 10:35:50 AM CST
Good choice. Joe certainly knows FX and how to make fun and spe
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The costume design just made complete sense in THE ULTIMATES #1, considering period materials, within that incredible opening scene. And sure,...in modern U.S.A., they can change it a bit. Just do NOT even consider that shiny version, as of late. (That sucks!)
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until the last 20 minutes. So much better than Leterriers "HULK SMASH" noise and fury.
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He just needs a good script. Jurassic Park III is a great example of that. Fun movie, well-directed, but most of its shortcomings came from the semi-awful screenplay. He's a solid choice for Captain America. Now they must hire Aaron Eckhart for the lead.
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KEEP THE WINGS ON THE HELMET
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Thank God.
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That would rule!
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Although 2 has the quite brilliant cracking windshield moment (pure Hitchcockian tension) overall 3 is better. I know the very end of 3 is a bit of an anti-climax however Johnston had actually planned a huge Marines vs Raptors jungle battle but it was cut by the studio/Spielberg after budget contraints. I think he's a good pair of craftsman hands for what hopefully is an old fashioned WWII film with a Superhero right smack in the middle of it - if Watchmen goes over well then I'm sure that's what we'll get.
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I totally agree. Just call it Captain America, it's so clumsy-sounding as it is.
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Instant blockbuster
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Appeal to the kids
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i see "UPDATED" and its gone...should i be worried?
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Ryan Gosling, Leo DiCaprio, or Nathan Fillion.
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This disappoints me quite a bit. I can't stand Joe Johnston's work. Don't get me wrong, at least it's not Ratner, but this is still VERY BAD. I really liked Captian America as a kid and was hopeful that it could be done well after having seen what Favrau did with Iron Man but this is not good news for me personally.
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No? OK, I will. Ryan Reynolds.
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It was an ugly and forgettable movie. I more or less was entertained when I saw it but it really didn't offer much beyond an occasional bit of action. I liked the cave scene kind of, and the Hulk's shadowy first appearance was cool. But like I say it was just not nice to look at in general; the Hulk himself was ridiculous with his decidedly unhulking, bodybuilder physique and all those striations, and the ending in NYC was boring. One of the few non-urban major comic book characters and you put him in a fucking city like everyone else. No bueno.I liked Ang Lee's a lot better. It just had much more personality. It seemed closer to the comic in spirit, really. I'm still not sold on the panels; sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't but in principle I didn't care for the contrived comic-booky-ness of it.
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I thought the Captain America movie was coming sooner than that. Well, shucks.
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The Rocketeer is referenced all the time in the Talkbacks as a standard for filmmakers to aspire towards, and I don't understand why. I've never been a fan of Billy Campbell's acting, I thought the dialogue was corny and the plot was clichéd. True, the mise-en-scene was pretty distinctive, but that doesn't make up for the casting, writing and pacing.
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As I was saying, and I've said before, give James Marsen a blond dye job, and give it to him. We didn't see his face in any of the X movies except for about two second. The guy is a proven actor at comedy, drama, and action. What more do you want?
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You are not allowed to access this site. Some Hollywood suit came down on it, just like they did on Harry's early review a few months ago I bet.
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Could indeed work.
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As long as someone could dub in his lines. He's 6'4 and fights at around 260.
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I'd like to see them hire some scrawny little prick (like a Topher Grace-esque sort of guy), shoot the scenes of him pre-serum, then take a year off from production and get him to hit the gym full-time. Like what Tom Hanks did for Cast Away, but in reverse. Sure it would be a gimmick, but what a great marketing hook it would be!
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and why all The Rocketeer love. Well there could be many reasons but the main one for me is that it's a good film that shouldve been a bigger hit. The main reason for that is because it was buried under the media behemouths that were Terminator 2 and Robin Hood:POT back in 1991. Touchstone shouldve made it a Christmas release that year and it would've cleaned up at the box office.
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Firstly, I could see him going for the "spend a year in the gym" gimmick. Secondly, he would never agree to do it UNLESS the script and director were absolutely pitch-perfect, so if he was attached it would be a huge signal of the flick's awesomeness.
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about Jon faverou when he got selected to do Iron man, and look how well that movie came out. Joe Johnston seems like a great choice.
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this is gunna be so out of control epic. Ryan Reynalds is already deadpool. I saw matt damon. hes a badass and look at what he did for the BOURNE series
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Nov 10, 2008 11:51:02 AM CST
Cap has to be under 30 and a truly capable, believable leader...
by cameron1
as well as soldier. There's NO other young actor out there who (as well as being a very good physical match) can bring those qualities to the role better than Skarsgard. I'm sure there's some unknowns out there who could do it but Hollywood/American TV prefers it's young leading male actors to be more adrogynous/sensitive/whiny than stoic, serious and agressive.
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than a modern flashy Michael Bay/Bullet-time disciple like McG or something. Good work, Marvel.
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Or at least flip it around to CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER. C'mon, now that Obama won the election, the world is rooting for us again.
And yes, Matt Damon should be Captain America. It's how Steve Epting drew Steve Rogers to look until Marvel killed the character off and replaced him with Bucky.
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I actually though JP/// was better than Lost World. It was a fun b-movie.
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Their Radar is red hot at the moment. I'm pleased with this.
Don't get me wrong. I was crushed when I heard Mark Romenek left The Wolfman. Yet October Sky is one of my favourite movies.
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he is bad ass, but he is to short and square faced. Cap basically needs to look like a tall bad ass abrocrambie model after he takes the serum.
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Marvel should make sure that Cap's mentor when he gets to Europe be Union Jack (a cool-looking British super-soldier). Otherwise the global public will rip this to shreds before its even released.
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Lee and Kirby-plus Steranko issues - Tales of Suspense thru Cap's own book. The Englehart era...and other writers in this current decade. All valid interps of Cap, just as there is no one writer for Batman and Superman for that matter.
All that said, the film should capture another time, but not but ultra-cheesy, hokey, etc. It can be pulled off. And I'm thinking, hoping, it will. Also, yes yes, wings on cap's mask/cowl. How else would a Hawkeye in the second or third Avengers film in the next decade call him "Winghead?" -
6'1 and 5'10, respectively.Marvel is going to have the same problem casting Thor. Needs to be a big guy, not your typical Hollywood midget. That's why we might see a cross-racial casting.
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Another character no one will pay to see. Can't we get something a little more original? Hell, I'd be happier with The Rocketeer 2: Rocket Boogaloo!Fuck all the money they spend to regurgitate these lame comic boom movies. Why all you fan-jizz-boys can't wait to see live action versions of material that works 10 times better in comics and cartoons is beyond me.
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Nov 10, 2008 12:37:01 PM CST
Ving Rhames as Cap. He was killer in Chuck and Larry.
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...then you have no soul.
"Ah, Eddie... I'm paying you well. What does it matter who I work for?"
"It matters to me. I may not make an honest buck but I'm a hunnert percent American and I don't work for no two-bit Nazi. Hand her over."
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So who knows.
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The Rocketeer -Now that's a film the deserves a sequel. Killer comic, great film-surely one of the best comic adaptation ever-certainly as far as faithfulness to the source material-it is a shame we lost Dave Stevens ,he is missed....
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he's got talent, the the right physical type, the right age...and is a bit of an unknown that will have people buying into the character...i mean Damon or Pitt or Smith PLEASE....
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The box office returns for THE DARK KNIGHT and IRON MAN speak far louder than little toerags who think a super-soldier from WWII that gets frozen and ends up revived in the modern area isn't "original" enough.
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Damn kids got me all worked up.
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Like Carl said, all he needs to do is bulk up. And ANYONE who plays Thor will have to do that.
That said, he wouldn't be my 1st choice for Thor - that would be Nikolaj Coster-Waldau - but if Skarsgaard is gonna be anyone in the Marvel universe, it would have to be Thor. He's no Cap. But if it makes you feel any better, none of my Thor choices will actually happen since they'll need a truly bankable star to get audiences in the seats for that one. So take comfort in that. ;) -
Captain America's story has been told countless times in comics and cartoons...sorry it's no longer original at all...but very tired and boring.THE DARK KNIGHT and IRON MAN are much move beloved characters. Captain America not so much...
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He basically plays Cap in Firefly. He'd really have to bulk up though. Which is really just a technicality. He has the apple pie american farm boy face and he certainly can play sincere while also tough. Yeah. I think he's a perfect pick if he's willing to hit the gym.
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Matthew looks like Cap. He's shown that he can do the action. My only real reservation with Matthew is that he hasn't shown that he can play a character with inner strength. He does dim bulb well and he does adventurer well and I've seen him play serious well... but I still can't think of a role with inner strength. Cap is a leader. I haven't seen Matthew pull that off.
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Cap doesn't have any cool super powers...he isn't super strong like the Hulk or the Thing...I mean he's strong but not enough to have him throwing cars around, etc. I bet they make him stronger in the film to improve the action. Hopefully they will have a really creepy Red Skull but probably not because it would scare the young kids.
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Michael C. Hall would be the man. dude is chiseled and a hell of an actor. during last nights episode of Dexter he had his shirt off and my girlfriend was like "daaaaamn!" the guy has the chops for a role like this.
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Today, such effects would be nearly simple. All it takes is some acting coordination between the actor himself and the bodybuilder...and let the effects people do the rest, with guidance from the director. (The bodybuilder would wear a head-covering to match blue-screen/green-screen.)
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Does the actor who plays Cap need to be blonde? Cause Matt Damon sure ain't blonde. Of the suggestions... First, no to Eckhart (Great fucking actor but so wrong for this), Ryan Reynolds and Damon. Kinda/Maybe to Fillion or Skarsgaard (better for Thor I'd say, plus you'd prob want an American playing Captain America). Yes to Ryan Gosling (but he'd never do it). What about... Ryan Phillipe. Or Jared Leto (I've suggested that before). You need someone with little to no "baggage". Eckhart was in Batman. Damon was Bourne. You need someone you can instantly accept as Steve Rogers, just as I was able to instantly accept Downey Jr as Tony Stark. Sure he'd been in a lot of films, but he'd never "owned" a character, if you get my meaning.
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should be played by Mike O'Hearn (titan, from american gladiators)6'2/6'3 251 pounds of holy shit! he's too fucking pretty to be a mortal man, so he could only be the god of thunder! check out his demo reel
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Sounds like you missed all the media hoopla last year when Captain America's death hit the news services. Even people who don't read comics know who Captain America is, but those same people couldn't tell you who the fuck Iron Man was until this summer's movie.
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The guy could use an acting coach, but he certainly has the look and build.
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The beard that man could produce would be godlike.
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Ok, I don’t want to be a stickler for his build, but for me to believe someone is Captain America, super-soldier, he better look like a powerhouse. I used to box, played some college football, was in the army and I am now in martial arts, while my older brother is a personal trainer, former fireman and used to do K-1 and amateur MMA fights, so I have certain expectations for what he should look like. I see three options to how they cast this:
1) Find the biggest, best built guy they can who can act. BiggusDickus, I know what you said about Flash Gordon, but despite that example there are big guys out there in Hollywood who can act: Vin Diesel, Dwayne Johnson, Sly in his day had his moments, and hell, David Mamet said Randy Couture is a pretty damn good actor (not saying any of these guys should be Cap, just that there are heavyweights who have acting chops). And sometimes the best person for a role isn’t necessarily a great actor (Arnold in Terminator and Conan comes to mind). Unfortunately most of the unknowns are not given the chance because of how they look. They are usually typecast as the goons, thugs or dumb muscle-heads. If you can find an athletic, muscular guy who can pull off the acting, cast him. And GreatOne3, Brock Lesnar would unfortunately not work - while big and powerful he doesn’t have the grace and coordination that you would expect in Captain America; he’s a bull not a tiger). However, I will paraphrase John Ford, if it is easier to train an actor into becoming a fighter than it is to teach a fighter how to become an actor, cast an actor. If that is the case, than we go to option #2.
2) Get the best actor or star you can who has a good build, than have him kill himself to get ready. The movie isn’t do until 2011, so they probably won’t shoot it until the end of next year or, more likely, sometime in early 2010. Cast the thing now and get a trainer for your star. Look at the builds of Daniel Craig, Denzel Washington, Robert DeNiro, Mark Wahlberg and others who gained muscle to play fighters and bad-asses. The only problem is that the role of Captain America will also require someone to gain mass, and lots of it. Thomas Hayden Church did it to play Sandman, although it did take him over 2 years to gain the 40lbs of muscle and at the end he was forced to use steroids for the final 20lbs, and he still wasn’t cut. The only problem with this option is I can’t see any major stars, or even most actors with any name recognition, want to physically kill themselves for over a year to get ready to play a comic book hero. It isn’t like you have a chance to win an Academy Award playing the part, so finding someone willing to do this much work is doubtful. Plus a lot of the actors just don’t have the natural frames to gain so much muscle.
3) That leaves the final option: cast the best actor you can who is willing to get as good as build within reason, and than use a muscle costume and CG for the rest. Lets call this the Batman/Beowulf option. When he is in his Captain America uniform, have the thing padded like the suits in Tim Burton’s Batman. When he is out of costume, figure a way to digitally enhance his physique, kind of like they did in Beowulf for Ray Winstone but live action this time. Of course, there are downsides to this as well: I fear they won’t have the technology or the budget to make believable CG muscles for an actor, making the film look cheap; and generally people in muscle-suits look awkward and clumsy when they move, something Captain America is not.
So basically I see no easy solution to get an actor who looks or can look like Captain America. And besides the build, I have other concerns about whom they cast. I hope they can find someone who can go from wide-eyed innocent into a battle-weary soldier, who has the charisma to seem like a true leader, who is idealistic without being naïve or dumb, and, when the Avengers movie finally comes around, portray a man who feels out of place and an outsider to his own country. If anyone has a solution to what I just wrote, I would love to hear them. Sorry about how long this post was, but Captain America has always been my favorite hero, so if they do a movie about him I want them to do it right.
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Hope they do something cool with the costume!
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Which movie wins in a fight: 1990 Captain America or 1994 Fantastic Four???
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Nov 10, 2008 2:24:38 PM CST
...and will Cap talk with "Greatest Generationspeak?"
by cletus van damme
I.E.: "Now see here, I don't take mess and I don't take guff and I certainly won't take the smartmouth from a little commie like you, see?"
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Give us the Joe Johnston of Rocketeer and October Sky, and not the Joe Johnston of Hidalgo, which remains the only movie I have actually fallen asleep in at the theater.
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…They better include Bucky. He doesn’t have to be a young sidekick, but instead could just be an underage soldier whom Cap looks at as his kid brother. There are many cases of boys lying about their age, some as young as 13 I believe, lying about their age in WWII to enlist. And the death of Bucky is one of the most important elements in the Captain America mythos. A lot of soldiers who have seen battle have also seen many of their comrades not make it back, and sometimes those whom have fallen have been tragically young (just look at the news nowadays to see an example of that).
As for the villain, that is easy: the Red Skull. Someone mentioned above that they are afraid they won’t cast the Red Skull because he is too scary for the kids. Well he should scare them, he’s a friggin’ Nazi! When he first appeared in the Golden Age, he was giving the Joker a run for the money in the body count department, and unlike the Joker who was forced to clean up his act because they couldn’t have a psychotic constantly getting away with murder in every issue he appeared in, the Red Skull was allowed to murder every time he appeared, and sometimes in very horrible fashion. That’s because he was a Nazi! The guy is unrepentantly evil, the opposite of everything Captain America is! He is the one super-villain people love to hate – no one thinks the Red Skull is “cool” like they do Doom, Magneto, or the Joker, they just see him as a fucking evil prick! In his last Golden Age appearance in 1949, he was trying to drag Captain America down to hell with him! What a dick! And have I mentioned he is a Nazi?
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There's no need for the "First Avenger" bit. Captain America says it all.
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says she would like to play WONDERWOMAN.
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James Cagney is Captain America!
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If you try (very, very hard) to ignore that the Red Skull is Italian, the 1990 Cap flick is actually somewhat watchable. The Corman FF movie, however, is anything but and only the CBS JUSTICE LEAGUE TV pilot triumphs it in terms of sheer awfulness.
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as wonder woman. I hope that beyonce talk is just all talk. But maybe with obama in the white house. african american actress will be demanding more action roles and roles in general. as will the brothers. who the hell knows. Beyonce is hot. but as wonderwoman erm. no. they will have to redesign the outfit.
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I have to say, the choice of Johnston comes as a great welcome surprise for me on a depressing Monday afternoon. I actually made The Rocketeer my Saturday evening movie this weekend, and having just watched it, I have to say I'm so stoked for Cap now. Granted, Rocketeer's script was pretty serial-cliche, but the sense of fun and adventure that's there is beyond compare. I can definitely see Johnston's Cap having an absolute blast kicking nazi ass. I mean, come on, Cap is literally a fanboy's dream, just like Rocketeer is. You have an ordinary schmuck with nothing to really offer his country being blessed with an amazing ability and the chance to kick the nazis right in the teeth.
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PAGEMASTER damn it PAGEMASTER
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...and I totally forgot about the JLA TV movie. Winchester as J'onn J'onzz...yikes.
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PAGEMASTER damn it PAGEMASTER is a good thing
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When I was a kid, I signed a contract to co-star in a major motion picture with my twin brother. Joe took over the picture and fired me before filming started.
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I'm not the biggest Cap fan but I think Joe is a solid choice. And for this movie, I would recommend they borrow heavily from the "The Adventures of Captain America" four-issue miniseries that came out back in 1991, written by Kevin Maguire and Fabian Nicieza. Those comics really flesh out his origin story and the art is cinematic. I also like how Cap was handled in Ultimates number one, especially the costume. Go Joe!
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Marvel will go with a good, established actor for cap.
Think about it; Downey Jr for Iron Man, Norton for Hulk
I can plausibly see Eckhart in the role (given that Harvey Dent is Dead)
Pitt would be an outside choice (and would probably want to produce too)
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and i like it.
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sounds good to me.
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Captain America because of his small part in one or two episodes of WBs X-Men Evolution animated series.
There he was some fun running around with Wolverine, but that was a kids series.
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Nov 10, 2008 3:58:51 PM CST
Carice Van Houten is Wonder Woman
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
I would definitely eat her with fava beans and a nice chianti!
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Who ever mentioned him, damn, that's a good call. Damon would be close enough, but the paycheck and potential for overwhelming Johnston creatively exists. But then again, Damon would get the right number asses in seats and has trans-demographic appeal.
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That is all
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PLEASE. If this is a period piece then that title makes even less sense then before. Drop it and worry about selling this, not a spin off! WHY does Marvel have to be so dumb?
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Watch any movie he's directed..Jurassic Park 3, Hidalgo, Rocketeer, Jumanji, and tell me you didn't have fun at least once at each of those. He's Spielbergo's protege, so I have faith in the man.
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You all know it, he's got the right look and the right age. Plus he can act, after watching Gen. Kill I thought he was an american. He was a marine though back in Sweden. Good news about Johnston though
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I know people like to think of Cap as this naive, ah-shucks kind of guy and imagine his old stories being very innocent and kid-friendly, but that would be the farthest thing from the truth. They were pretty dark and intense. Have you ever seen some of his original Golden Age stories? They are the closest things to an EC comic in those days. I randomly looked at one of his first 10 issues and I saw at least 10 people killed in it, some in very gruesome manner, and that is not counting God knows how many killed in the collapsing buildings by the Red Skull’s Power Drill (you have to see it to understand). Captain America’s adventures took place during wartime, and they shouldn’t hide the fact how hard and ugly war can get, and how scared people where of the Nazi war machine.
Of course, this doesn’t mean that they should make Cap into some hard-nose, blood and guts type. I always imagined Cap having a disposition similar to Captain Winters in a Band of Brothers – the reluctant but reliable soldier who manages to maintain his humanity during war.
Oh, and on second thought Burt Lancaster would have made a better Captain America.
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Works for Batman not every other superhero.
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And Alex is a tall motherfucker. Better to have him as Thor then it makes searching for Cap a bit easier. Plus yeah he has the hair in True Blood but I was calling for Skarsgard as Thor when I saw him in Generation Kill. He kicked ass as Brad "The Iceman" Colbert.
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lip smacking, knee buckling, 20 kittens licking my toes fantastic!!! Johnston is a true talent. He understands the concept of pace in a movie. His designs are brilliant. I've heard lots of good stuff about his work on THE WOLFMAN. I'm sure that helped him gets this gig. He knows that time period and that youtube link is a pitch perfect example.
THE ROCKETEER is one of my all time favs. A very underrated soundtrack too. Arkin's performance was the first time I really saw what a great actor he really is.
Since "the Beard" couldn't direct, Johnston is the next best thing. In my opinion the "better" next best thing, in a lot of ways.
This is the first movie in a long time that I will buy advance tickets to the first show. See you in line! -
I agree with you it shouldn’t be dark and brooding like the Dark Knight, especially since Cap during the war years was not brooding and he has never been angst filled – he is to much of a good soldier and professional to let personal feelings get in his way of fulfilling his missions, and way to humble to whine about his own lot in life when a war is going on. That is why I compared him to Captain Winters above. But that isn't to say the film should be a whimsical, light-hearted kid's flick. Raiders of the Lost Ark was fun and adventurous, but it also was serious, dark, intense and violent at times (deadly Aztec tombs, head getting chopped off by propeller, melting and burning Nazi’s at the end); Temple of Doom was very childish at times but it also was scary and gory (and it had villains enslaving children and plucking hearts out); and even Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid was funny, exciting, and entertaining, but it also had some very poignant moments and a tragic ending. So I am just saying don’t be pigeonholed into only making a sunny, bright Captain America movie. Make sure it is at times scary, violent, intense and serious – just like Captain America’s comic is.
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I can't decide if it would be any different than Skeletor from Masters of the Universe.
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You know it makes sense baby!
In fact I think Anthony would make a really cool menacing Dr. Doom. -
a convincing Lower East Side dialect/accent.
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The difference is that Skeletor is a walking skeletal wizard and the Red Skull is a Nazi terrorist and madman who wears a skull-like mask. While artist love drawing it as very life-like for affect (and the 1990 Cap movie had it his real face), it doesn't have to look that life-like or cheesy. It could look very fucking scary actually. And have I mentioned the Red Skull is a fucking Nazi?
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I have to add my voice to the many people here that feel Joe Johnston is an inspired choice to direct a Captain America movie. I absolutely loved The Rocketeer and felt that he really captured the essence of the late, great Dave Stevens' comic book character and the era in which the story took place. I know it may be hoping for too much (since the Red Skull has been mentioned as being the film's main villian), but I would love to see Baron Zemo make an appearance as well (perhaps setting up the ineveitable sequel).
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Nov 10, 2008 6:15:40 PM CST
The Avengers is gonna own..............................
by crackerfarmboy
How can you not be excited for The Avengers film? It will have Iron Man, The Hulk, Thor, and Captain America. That's pretty rad! The real question is who is going to be the director to attempt to take those 4 disparate characters and try to make a coherent film with them? So we are getting a World War II Captain America film, a Lord of the Rings style Thor, and then a team up film. This is every comic fan's dream! I hope Thor and Cap will be as good as Iron Man and Hulk were. I love the Branagh selection and Johnston sounds pretty good!
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And I hope they don't kill him off at the end of the movie, shot by a sniper who looks a lot like Barack Obama.
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He can play the second hare-lip from the left.
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John McCain for Captain Amerikkka! Sarah Palin as the talking pitbull sidekick... with lipstick! Hillary Clinton as Red Skull! Joe Biden as Strokin' Joe the Mechanic! It's guaranteed to be a genuine hit!
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Go Joe!
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Come on, guys, it's fun to think about who might be "perfect" for the role, but this is a big-budget CAPTAIN AMERICA movie. Son of Saarsgard or Mr. Firefly Fillion, as much as I love 'em both, ain't gonna get asses in seats.
Practically, Marvel should be looking at:
1. Aaron Eckhart
2. Matt Damon (although not my fave)
3. Patrick Wilson
Brad Pitt is a little old, and definitely too wiry, at this point.
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Tell the story of his last mission instead. Then when they do sequels they can just be further installments of a ww2 serial, detailing adventures before the last one.
Or maybe start with him losing his kite shield and getting the round one. Also, I want to see him chase the Skull or Zemo through a train.
He can't be a pretty boy actor either, get a dude with a square jaw in there that could be 25 or 35. His build is totally unimportant, but his face and voice have to exude leadership.
Great choice for director though, I'm going to have to go rent the rocketeer.
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It's pulpy adventure, the original uniform is awesome on the page, but I have never seen a non-goofy version of it made real.
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Seriously. How awesome wouldn't that be?
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He'll need the work too since BSG is over.
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I don’t wind updating Cap’s uniform, and the one thing about the Ultimate Cap that I don’t hate is his look. I mean, look at Batman - over the years they have changed his costume and he is still recognizable. But I don’t think you necessarily have to get rid of his iconic costume completely, or at least you could have something that bears a more comic book appearance. Soldiers wear their Battle Dress Uniform (BDU) on the field and in action, and wear their Army Service Uniforms (ASU) for public and official functions. Why can’t we say the same about Captain America’s uniform? He could have his battle uniform, and he could have another costume for public events that serves as his dress uniform. Sure his comic book costume is loud and over the top, but Steve Rogers was given the assignment of Captain America in part as a propaganda tool.
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Thank Marvel for Joseph Eggleston "Joe" Johnston III. The designer of the almighty IRON GIANT. Watched Rocketeer in 1991. Bill Campbell was the Cliff Secord from the comics. Jennifer was smoking hot, but wasn´t Betty Page. Terry O´Quinn (Lost) as Howard Hughes was great. Where is my Special Edition DVD filled with extras? Heh. October Sky, another great period flick, love this movie, great cast. JP3 is my favorite JP, has the best scene from the first Crichton novel (the aviary). Now, about the Cap movie. Agreed, the actor should be an unknown ("hey, it´s Brad Pitt inside the f****** ice!!"). Agreed, just dump the "First Avenger" nonsense (now what, "Superman, the First Leaguer"??). Agreed, hire Millar and Brubaker as very highly paid (wink wink) consultants. And, if you guys have balls, hire Robert "Truth: Red, White & Black" Morales too, heh.
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awhile back..that would've been the epitome of a Captain America..where's that cryo chamber when you need one.
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…But please do not - I repeat do not - use any material from Robert Morales "Truth: Red, White & Black" series. I find almost everything in that series to be just insulting to the character of Captain America, to his creators and to the US military during WWII. While there was racism, discrimination and other things we should feel embarrassed and guilty about during that era, what they show in that comic is just ludicrous. Simply put, it is bad history.
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He answers an ad for muscle-building on the back of a comic book.
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Nov 10, 2008 9:53:03 PM CST
HUGE MISTAKE BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by illuminate
Putting Joe Johnston as the Director of this film was a bad choice as I stated in my previous messages. It is just like hiring Jim Carrey to play Batman.
They might and I repeat might be able to make up for it if they cast the right actor and bring on the correct writers.
Someone asked me who should play Captain America. It definitely cannot be a guy like who starred in the Rocketeer. There needs to be depth and personality to the character. THE DANGER WITH CAPTAIN AMERICA is that if you put just a pretty boy in the role than it will be flat. The answer is a Han Solo type actor or an actor like Peter Berg.
Captain America is just like Superman with to much of a clean cut personality in comics that could make him boring on film. Brandon Routh sucked in superman returns because he lacked the humor of Christopher Reeve (FYI Christopher Reeve was roommates with Robin Williams so he picked up a lot of his humor).
Captain America cannot be dark like Batman and he cannot be sleezy like solo or even tough like the Punisher. But, he has to have some of those characteristics in a subtle way and only the right actor can do that.
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"God damn you Captain America!!! God damn you!!!" *Waves fists*
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You're gonna get 30 pages of WWII TOPS before we cut to present day somewhere in the arctic. No exec in his/her right mind is gonna greenlight a period piece superhero tentpole flick anymore than they will greenlight a powerless Superman where he's the last guy on earth. We now return you to your regularly scheduled reality.
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Sad but true...Bugs Bunny and Woody Woodpecker were no match for the vicious propaganda Nazis and their ability to make flames and swastikas suddenly appear where American monuments once were...
Ironically, Cartoon America's only hope lies with cartoon Bolsheviks, whose animated tractors and lantern jawed workers wielding hammers and sickles are more than a symbolic match for the Aryans and their ability to pose triumphantly... -
Why wouldn't they greenlight a superhero period piece? A period action adventure just made over $300 million in this country alone this summer, and another period movie dealing directly with super-heroes is currently the most buzzed about movie for next year. I think WW2 is totally the way to go for this, as it would really set Captain America apart as something cool and different from the other comic movies.
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I totally agree with you. Unfortunately, the movie biz is a numbers game and most decisions about story are made by committee based on demographics and market survey. Every "out there" choice you've ever seen in a movie is a calculated risk based on budget vs. past performance by similar properties. Everyone's trying to keep their jobs. No one wants to be the guy who greenlit the movie that broke Marvel's streak. Indy Jones (I'm assuming is your example) is the biggest exception in the world since the very premise dictates it MUST be set in the past, whereas with Cap, you've got a built-in fish out of water story if you go modern day, which is tried and true in execu-speak. I hope I'm wrong but I wouldn't bet on it.
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If Watchmen makes bank (and that's a humongous IF) the whole system will be knocked on its ear. No one will know what to think anymore. It'll be glorious. But I think we all know the odds. Here's a good rule of thumb, if your parents get excited about Watchmen, it'll be a hit. Not that they're the intended audience, but you'll know you've got a good level of market permeation if they give a damn about superheroes they've never heard of solving the muder of a rapist in tights.
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Jumanji, The Rocketeer and Honey I Shrunk The Kids are all favs of mine
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I loved the Rocketeer. It's a totally underrated movie. I think if Joe can take that wholesome, patriot vibe, throw in a litte Saving Private Ryan and band of Brothers and top it off with Indian Jones 3 and you got a hit.
Or we can let George Lucas take a whack at it... -
a bit too thick to play Wonder Woman?
And what's the deal with not admitting that she's not married to that overrated hack Jay Z? -
or admitting that she IS married since I made some sort of grammar blunder there?
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Jon Hamm!
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Nice post, well argued!Not sure about Bucky, though. Unless he's wiped out at the end of the WWII era to give Cap some angst and pathos for his present day re-birth, perhaps? That would work.
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That is exactly why they should have Bucky. Many young lives were lost during that war, and many other soldiers came home feeling guilty just for having survived. The same with Cap, who always felt guilty for being unable to save Bucky, who was not only a comrade in arms but also someone he loved as a brother. Captain America was very brooding when he was first unfrozen (although he obviously came to terms with his death). And Bucky doesn’t have to be a costume sidekick, he can instead be an under-aged uniformed grunt.
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Nov 11, 2008 11:49:30 AM CST
Even though I can't see him in it, at the end of the day...
by orbots commander
...I think Marvel wants Will Smith to play Captain America. Not that I'd be too enthused over it, but I guess one can make a pro-Will Smith argument for Cap, but you'd need to do major surgery on the character. Particularly now with the election of Obama, I think the momentum for Smith to play a patriotic red, white and blue superhero will be building at Marvel.
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...but I have absolutely no problem with him being the Falcon in any sequels.
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I have a buddy who once thought Will Smith would make a good Superman. I disagreed. But Cap, well, that's actually a perfect fit.
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...the 'Will Smith' as Cap movement behind the scenes. I think, like it or not for fans, that's what's going to happen. They CAN pull it off with some major revisionism; a kind of 'What If' story. It can even work in WWII, if the movie ties in Jesse Owens winning the Olympics in Germany showing up the 'master race', and having that lead to a black Captain America kicking the Nazi's butts.
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There are many super-heroes who are traditionally shown as white that I would have no problem if they were depicted as black (or any other race for that matter): A black Green Lantern, Flash, Spider-Man, Punisher or even the Thing wouldn’t bother me (Ben Grimm is a former street gang member who escapes the slums on a football scholarship and than joins the armed forces for a career; if that doesn’t read like the stereotypical life story of a black man, than I don’t know what does). But certain characters for me have to be white, just as certain characters (BLACK Panther anyone) have to be black. Superman and Captain are the two that stand out to me as having to be white.
A pair of Jewish kids who were the children of immigrants created Superman, an alien who comes to America and is viewed as the most American of heroes. Superman has always represented a kind of desire by those who feel as if they are outsiders to America are be able to transform themselves into someone who is powerful and fits in, where you can be viewed as completely American and get the beautiful WASP. And as long as America is still viewed as predominantly a white nation, where being white makes one more likely to be considered a “real American”, than for better or worse Superman should be white (hopefully in a couple of decades that won’t be true anymore).
As for Captain America, I can make four arguments why he should be white:
The era he was created in: Cap was created in a period of great racism, I admit, and that is unfortunately one of the reasons why he should be white. I would find it very hard to believe the US Government during WWII would use a black man as a propaganda symbol for patriotism. Many Americans were unfortunately only tolerant about race when it was convenient – such as when Joe Lewis beat Max Schmeling, or when Jesse Owens outdid the German’s in the Olympics. But those were confided to the sporting world; I would imagine a black man claiming to represent the ideal American would be met with hate and fear in the South, as well as other parts of the country. If a black Captain America existed back than, he would have only operated as a covert commando (so forget the colorful costume or the name), and because of segregation he probably would have had only a few missions, if any.
To show how far we have come along: By keeping Captain America white we can show (and probably sometimes hilariously) how far we have come as a nation. Imagine Captain America meeting his first black General or Colonel, let alone a black president. A black Captain America would view these changes as obviously good, but a white Captain America would have to make a moral judgment to whether this is good or bad, and whether he accepts these changes or not. Personally, I find it much more powerful for a man to admit something is better despite the fact it is against something that worked to his advantage (racism obviously worked to the advantage of many whites in America at that time) versus a man who obviously likes the new changes because he has a lot to gain in it (a black Captain America would finally get the acceptance in the modern era that he never got in the 1940s, so of course he would love the modern era).
The Red Skull: If you make Captain America black, than the only reason the Red Skull hates Cap is because of his race. However, if Cap is white than the Red Skull doesn’t hate him because of his race but instead because of Cap’s ideals. Cap rejects the Red Skull’s and the Nazi’s philosophy of a master race, despite the fact that he would be included amongst them, and instead fights for the idea of all men created equal and of tolerance. This is something that the Red Skull cannot stand, since it goes against his core beliefs, and because of this he views Captain America’s beliefs as dangerous and blasphemous. And wouldn’t it be inspiring to have a hero who doesn’t fight his enemies because they hate him because of HIS skin color, but fights them because they hate other people based only on THEIR race or appearance. Unless you are willingly to make the Red Skull some insane African bigot, I think you lose one of the best elements of Captain America.
The Greatest Generation: And finally, I will say by making Captain America a black man you unintentionally slap the face of an entire generation of white people who fought and bled for this country. I am not trying to play some sort of stupid “white pride” angle, but instead pointing out a fact that many people in this country have white grandfathers and great-grandfathers who fought for this country, and we like to believe that their effort was a noble one. While I don’t believe they were “the Greatest Generation”, and they did many things that still fill this country with shame, they still did accomplish a lot and did many things they should be proud of. And I see nothing wrong with reminding white America that, yes, although their ancestors caused lots of grief and suffering to many people in our nations past, they also did much good and tried to change America to be a more fair and just society.
I am sure many people will disagree with me, but this is my two cents.
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- Bill Campbell: Excellent actor, his work on The 4400 shows he can work well with special effects, and hes worked Joe Johnston on The Rocketeer.
- George Clooney: ok, complete long shot. Hes mostly my pick because he would look good as Captain America.
- Jon Hamm: Excellent dramatic work on Mad Men, he has that 40's/50's look down. Hard to say about any action work hes done, but people said the same thing about Iron Man and Robert Downey Jr.
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So please stop bringing it up unless you actually want some idiot exec @ Paramount to use this talkback as mandate fodder ala Bale as Batman.
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I'm hearing nothing but good things bout the guy, and he sure looks the part.. You guys think he'll have too much baggage by the time this comes around or is he still ripe for this?
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Cap should be white and I LOVE BLACK PEOPLE but what's right is right.
Making Nick Fury black was a bold move but it works. As a spy, he face is not plastered all over the news. I wish they could even incorp the Damage Control era into this thing somehow.
I pissed myself when I seen Hally Berry as Catwoman but I thought Alicia Masters being black was spot on - and Kerry Washington is SO fucking cute.
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Yeah uh huh that works.
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