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Uber-Writer Bryan Fuller: If ABC Mows DAISIES, I’ll ‘Definitely’ Return To HEROES!!
I am – Hercules!!
Bryan Fuller, who wrote the best episodes of NBC's “Heroes” during its first, best season, tells EW.com he’s returning to “Heroes” if “Pushing Daisies” doesn’t get a midseason pickup:
"I am exclusive to Daisies through the delivery of the 13th episode of our 13-episode order, which will be mid-January," says Fuller. "If Daisies isn't picked up by then, I will definitely be going back to play with my friends at Heroes."
ABC's hilarious “Daisies,” which lost a ton of viewers during the long strike-spawned hiatus separating its first and second seasons, seems a long-shot for a full-season order.
Fuller created “Daisies” as well as “Dead Like Me” and “Wonderfalls,” and his departure from "Heroes" late in season one seems to exactly correlate to the point at which “Heroes” lost its creative way.
With lead writers Jeph Loeb and Jesse Alexander having recently departed “Heroes,” it’s likely Fuller will have a bigger role than ever in helping creator Tim Kring steer the superhero drama.
Find all of EW’s exclusive on the matter here.
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Here in Oz. Bumped to the 10:30pm thursday night slot has me bummed, considering I am up at 5am everyday for work. Not a happy fella. Stupid networks. God bless dvd boxsets i say!
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I like Daises, but Fuller is why I loved most of season one.
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beat you by that much....
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Right before the season finale of season 1. Then the show when to crap.
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Twice!!!
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The show can only get better with Fuller on-staff. Still hope "Daisies" gets picked up though.
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Yesterday was such a good day too. I do have hope for change though. Maybe he'll Obama Heroes.
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that was one of my suggestions ot improve Heros to a friend of mineNBC needs to pray ABC cancels Daises
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But the only thing that can save Heroes is Fullers return. Shame it has to be one or the other.
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Fuller was the key. Sorry Daisies, I am officially rooting against you...Heroes needs Fuller more...
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to sit and home and have a big blubb about it :(
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...his Heroes-episodes were the weakest things he wrote since he worked for Star Trek. So yes, I prefer the "I create my own world"-Fuller waaaaay over the "I have to play after somone elses stupid rules"-Fuller. But who doesn't?
(No, I don'T hate Season 1, I just think that there was not one single moment in it that could live up to its hype.) -
Nov 07, 2008 2:36:45 AM CST
Unpopular Opinion: I'm totally enjoying Heroes right now.
by iammrmonkey!
If Fuller returns then that's great but I truly think Heroes is finding its way slowly back to greatness. I've enjoyed the last few episodes far more than the entire second season and, as long as things continue getting better, I have high hopes that Heroes will remain on my TiVo. And I don't even have a TiVo.
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I love Pushing Daisies too much and hope it gets more viewers like it deserves.
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I pick Daisies. Heroes has dug a pretty big rut, and even if Fuller could pull them out I'm not sure I'd want him to waste his time. Keep making awesome quirkiness. I have Lost and 24 for my big-budget drama.
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Nov 07, 2008 3:41:39 AM CST
even black frakking storm clouds have their silver lining, i gue
by newc0253
it sucks that a much better show has to tank in order to save Heroes, though.
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i'll drop watching any other ABC shows for a few years.
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He'll never do it. And at this point, I think that's the only way to save that piece of shit.
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would be for NBC to can Kring and put Fuller in charge. Let Kring have his title credit but cut him off from everything else. Otherwise, I hope ABC realizes they only have one show worth watching, Lost, and even it has a expiration date.
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...hope ABC realizes they would be left with only one show worth watching...
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For the first time since season 1, I'm anticipating what happens next! I bet heroes gets cancelled just as it kicks ass again. That always fucking happens!
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Wanna borrow my John Deer lawn thingy?
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I love the guy, but every show he created tanked. They'll never let him run Heroes by himself.
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I loved it and defended it thru the 2nd season, but to quote McCoy "He's dead Jim". I highly suggest anyone not watching Pushing Daisies gives it a try, it's easily one of the funniest, wittiest and best written series ever put on tv. Plus, it has Kristen Chenoweth.
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Oh Jeez, I like and watch both shows. I've been really hoping Daisies gets picked up, but it does seem like Heroes has tanked some since Fuller left. Man, this is a canumdrum, what this is. Daisies has been getting better and better, and Heroes worse and worse. I say keep Daisies and let Heroes fend for itself.
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Don't use the 10 cent words if you don't know how to actually spell them, please.
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I like PUSHING DAISIES. Reminds me of a Time Burton movie. Very different than everything else on television. Much rather that than another reality tv crapfest. And, I've said it before. HEROES had a subpar season last year for many reasons. The Hiro sidetrek in feudal Japan was a big part of it. Nothing really happened in the show last season to evolve the show anywhere. And that's the point in these hour long dramas. You have to evolve things to the next season to keep people interested. Also, I think the break in the show, and the whole strike thing hurt too. My point. Season three is much better than season two. If people will only revisit the show, I think the viewership will go back up to close to what it was in season one. Rather trying to revamp the show, I think the producers need to focus on trying to get people interested again. Maybe another 'Save the Cheerleader, Save the World' campaign.
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Heroes was a fucking stretch even in the first season. Weak characters doing stupid shit while viewers scream at their television. For every cool thing to happen, we have to put up with just so much bullshit. Pushing Daisies, on the other hand, is so filled with jokes (visual and dialogue) each ep has to be re-watched.
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That guy doesn't know how to run a series.
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The two shows I watch every week, and they decide to pit one against the other. Shit. Well, it hurts, but I'm sticking with Daisies.
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It's sort of the enjoyable kind of trash. I reconciled it as Desperate Housewives for geeks. It's given to stunt-driven story. Something that shouldn't happen or is unexpected HAS to happen EVERY episode. To the writers it's fair game to completely throw away any past episodes, plausibility, consistency of character, basic logic and story cohesion to achieve that goal.
If you're okay with that, you can enjoy. I've learned not to expect anything with resonance to happen on the show anymore and not to expect the characters to have any connection to who they were in any previous episode. Instead, it's just trashy stuff to watch and get a little kick out of it if your bored.
On a more negative note, I find it to contain the most irresponsible images of violence of an prime-time TV show EVER, considering the audience and the lack of anything meaningful behind it.
Also, love this news. She's probably my favorite actress from 24 and Lost is one of my favorite shows, so... yeah, love it. -
By saying this, isn't he sort of adding to the reasons for ABC to kill Daisies?
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I'd rather that Daisies gets another season. But then I do miss looking forward to Heroes. The question is, how much can Fuller do in for a universe where Sylar's a dutiful son of Petrelli, Claire's blood can heal anyone, and let's not forget that stupid Mohinderfly? Unless they're going to give him a hatchet (and he uses it mercilessly), there may not be much he can do.
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He's showing that he's in demand. If anything, I could imagine ABC stringing Daisies along even longer, just to keep losing him to NBC. It's not like they wouldn't like to see Heroes continue to flop.
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When ABC Mows Daisies, not if? From my understanding, Pushing Daisies has filmed their 13 episode commitment or close to it and still haven't been picked up for the back 9. Typically when you go this far into production of the the first 13 episodes with no full season commitment, there will be no full season commitment. Pushing Daisies is all but gone.
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I gave the show a whole season to wow me, and other than Company Man it failed to do that every week. It was a flawed show to begin with. Too many characters, almost none of which were developed beyond creating a mystery around them.
The difference between Lost and Heroes is that on Lost I care what's going to happen to each of the characters, even if I hate some of them. With Heroes I really never did care if they all died or survived or defeated Sylar or anything.
The flaws only seemed to grow deeper as the season progressed, and once I saw the dreadful finale I understood that the show had nowhere to go creatively. -
Nov 07, 2008 9:56:53 AM CST
PD was a victim of not coming back anytime soon after the strike
by pennsy
That's the primary reason IMO why the ratings cratered (they lost 55% of their season 1 audience when the season 2 premiere's ratings came in). The WGA strike - the toxic gift that keeps on giving.
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Daisies is awesome. But I love my GOOD Heroes eps. I shouldn't have to choose. Merge the two!!! Put Ned on Heroes. Then I can live with it.
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unless he's given complete control. And I mean 100%, absolute, complete control of everything from the story and production to the hiring and firing. In other words, get rid of Kring or render him powerless. I hate ragging on Kring all the time but he's done an Abysmal job. And you can't completely cure the disease by only "fixing" a part of the problem (firing the writers last week). A good writer restricted by dumb ideas can only do so much. A great show is made with the help from a great team. And Heroes has a long way to go before it can win back the trust of the viewers. Daises is a well made, superior show but I can understand why it doesn't have mass appeal. Though, it's the kind of rare series that someone should consider adapting into a feature film.
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I agree, but at the same time...ugh. We're doing the same thing we did the last two seasons FLASHBACK EPS. And while they give meat to characters, it gets old. They shouldn't kill everyone off if they want them around. And this is a gimmick to do that. Bah! I say.
I did enjoy the last two eps though, but once again...what crap did we have to trudge through to get there? Season 1 was great from start to finish.
But Season 3 is having the same exact issues 2 did.
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If Ned were on Heroes, there'd be no 60-second rule and he'd be able to bring back as many people as he wanted. But then we'd find out he was a bad guy in the future and likely a Petrelli as well.
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There is no God.
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please fix it
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I didn't think about that. He could be the super villain and have an army of undead for them to fight. That would rule all. He could bring back all the brainless wonders Sylar killed and let them have their revenge on him.
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That is the greatest idea ever. Ned would be badass on Heroes.
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How about they cancel Heroes and keep the good show, Pushing Daisies, on the air instead?
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even if it was possible to save it at this point
Which I don't think it is
After 3 years there isn't a single developed character
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When that great Pushing Daisies gets cancelled, he'll return to a show that should be cancelled. (Creatively speaking of course. I know Heroes has more viewers).
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Because even on its best day (Fuller's last episode), Heroes has never had one touch of the ingenuity that Pushing Daisies does. I too prefer the "I create my own world" Bryan Fuller to the one who has to play in someone else's.
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...they'll never cancel Daisies. Well, if they're smart they wont.
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Save Daisies!
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really, dancing with the stars? the country music awards? whut? ok fine, but why not just air it an hour or two later at 10 pm jeez
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My wife and I both think it's one of the best shows in a long time. ABC sucks if they dump it. They need to do a better job of trying to get people to watch it, not just give up on it like NBC gave up on Journeyman!
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Nov 07, 2008 12:43:41 PM CST
If I had to choose between HEROES and PUSHING DAISIES...
by mockingbird girl
... DAISIES all the way. It's certainly the more original and inventive of the two shows... and if I'm ever jonesing for superheroes, there are always plenty of movies to pick from.
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Not that it'll likely do any good, but there is a petition to save Daisies: http://tinyurl.com/6x4829 . Between this and the fear of losing Fuller to NBC, we might be able something from them.
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Come on Fuller. Don't do that. Please! It's like you're already conceding that Daisies won't be picked up. Don't lose the passion! We still love the friggin show. Heroes is no where near the quality of your own shows. DON'T DO IT.
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I totally agree. Write Heroes an endgame. Give it one more season at the most. But end it. and end it well. Let the Daisies keep going. One of the most original shows in the history of television. This needs to live on. ABC give it the back 9!!!
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Worst news? He said he's full time on Daisies for as long as it's on. And by hinting that he might jump networks IF it is canceled, he just may scare ABC into renewing it. If you like Fuller, this is in no way bad news. He's definitely not giving up on Daisies for Heroes.
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can't bring the show back. I have a nagging feeling that Fuller may wind up being the main showrunner if the ratings keep tanking like they are. That Kring will not have a say in staying on board. That's why I want Fuller back on Heroes.
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Fuller isn't bluffing or dealing from a position of strength. PD gained less than a million viewers, if memory serves, on the night of the Obama infomercial. ABC had to have been disappointed that it wasn't more than that; a lot more. If only for people who may have grown weary of all the politicking they saw.
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Well not bluffing perhaps, since Daisies is doing quite poorly, but it certainly doesn't hurt that fans of one of NBCs biggest shows are crying out to get Fuller back. ABC seems to at least be sympathetic to Daisies and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that some of their execs are fans or at least see Emmy potential in it. If they're on the fence, they might be willing to renew Daisies just to deny NBC from strengthening Heroes. I think the game is more important than the bottom line to these guys. It's a long shot, but I don't think it's totally unrealistic.
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Because before that, PD drew in reverse order, going back to the premiere, 5.7m, 6,1m, 5.5m and 6.3m for season 2, episode 1. That averages out to less than 6 million per episode. Then you have the Country Music Association awards pre-empting it next week. E!'s Kristin dos Santos does confirm that the 13th episode was supposed to be a 2-parter, but was changed at ABC's behest. In other words, a stand-alone episode that 'covers all bases'. That can be interpreted 2 ways - as a springboard for what would be the final 9 eps of season two - or a series finale.
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i am glad that Fuller is at least trying to force ABC' hand to renew. It is a good tactic to say "well if you do not pick up the show i work on on your network than i will go help your competition." So kudos to Fuller even if its all for naught.
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That was really a quality talkback post. That really added to the overall subject matter content. I'm sooooo sorry that I mispelled conundrum "canumdrum" so early in the morning and ruin your day. I was unaware that the Talkback Spellcheck Police (TPS) would be so active that early. Cunt.
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You know, Psynapse may have a point. I meant TSP for Talkback Spellcheck Police.
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"Pushing Daisies" is a joyful romp of a show. "Heroes" is a bloated mess.
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This actually could be good news, If ABC keeps PD going just to keep Fuller away from Heroes, then hell, that just means more eps of PD.
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That show is too good for network TV. It suffers from Arrestia Deveoplitus, also know as "Firefly Disease."
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HEROES needs:Squid.Make it so.
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At least it does to me. Fuller is lining up another gig.
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Stay away from he sinking ship that is Heroes.
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unless you need the money. That's different.
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http://thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=7835.
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Look at all of you supporting Daisies. I admit that I thought the majoirty of the posts would be of the "Fuller? I hardly even knew her!"...wait.
okay, what I meant to say was that I honestly thought that I would hear more people saying, "Fuck the flower show; Heroes yeah!" type of posts but I am honestly glimmered that I see so many people in pain that Pushing Daisies might be going away.
What do you mean pain doesn't equal love? Who raised you?
Oh! And republicans getting along with democrats, joining together in the same thread. This show has healing powers.
I signed that petition thingy. I felt a bit naughty. Then I wrote a well phrased letter to ABC. And I swore to myself I would never relive the Firefly debacle where I actually purchased a postcard and spent *money* to send it to them. Those souless exec fucks.
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...as the Pie Maker's long lost brother. The lead actor and Tennant look like they could be brothers. And considering how Daisies took some early elements from Torchwood, I kinda thought the similar appearance was deliberate.
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That show is too small and too quirky to be on a broadcast network these days. It should be paired up with *Eureka* on SciFi on the same night.
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What would it matter if ABC mows
Daisies off of the air
We all know, the show now blows
and Heroes is beyond repair
Though his intent was good, Fuller should go ahead and quit,
Because in Hollywood, apparently nobody gives a... -
it means that most likely pushing daisies is dead...which is sad...guess there just isnt an audience for a real cutting edge show...but a fuller return to heroes means that quality returns to that show...and that is good
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and Emerson. I so wanted her to jump him and lick his bald head. Then he could give her one of his, "What is wrong with you?" looks and she helps him find L'il GumShoe then they marry and spin off their own show that lasts forever.
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Emerson in particular, man is fucking hilarious!
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http://savepushingdaisies.blogspot.com/
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SciFi is running the show Seven Days now - that's a good show, Sci Fi and fun and and humorous. These other shows are big steaming piles of bad TV.
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as Journeyman. Sucks. Heroes is your typical 'trying to be cool to the demographics' whereas Pushing Daises (and JM) just do their own thing. A kind of 'you dont have to like me' charm that is unforced and lovely.
When will these networks (UK and US) learn that you don't have to be a mainstream super smash in the ratings to keep going and be worthwhile. The mainstream are a fickle bunch and could leave the show for the 'next big thing' at any given moment, whereas people who care about the show will keep with it week in week in, buy the boxsets and merchandise. Surely that makes more business sense?
Sure I torrent stuff, but the shows I like (Daises) I make a concerted effort to buy on shiny DVD in nice packing in show of appreciation and support definitely.
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I know the exact point when I started getting excited about this series of heroes again - it was when Hiro did his time+space schtick to avoid stabbing Ando, but they didn't lay it all out on a plate until the next episode. I left the previous episode thinking that it *had* to have been deliberately contrived and unconvincing, and it wasn't just shitty writing... and astonishingly I was right in this instance! Also, best not too think too hard about these things, or you might notice Hiro left a real sword in a rack in a costume shop where a prop sword should be. Some poor sap's going to find that reaaally funny later...
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I can't think of a better FUCK YOU to them if they canceling Pushing Daisies. Well that and several million "fuck you" letters from all the fans.
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