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Sigh... Steven Spielberg & Will Smith To Castrate OLDBOY?

Hey folks, Harry here.... Here's a host of elements that on their own... taste great, but when mixed together... sounds like Chocolate, Tuna Fish and Beets. Something I really don't want. I love OLDBOY, I was the first Western Critic to see the film. It is still the only film that I've ever recorded a commentary for. It is absolutely a brilliant film. We've known for years that Universal intended to remake OLDBOY. For years it was looking like Justin Lin was going to be directing it. There were rumors about Martin Scorsese at one point. Now, Michael Fleming at Variety is telling us that The King of July 4th... and simply THE KING - have decided to work on their first project together... a remake of my beloved OLDBOY. This scares the hell out of me. Obviously, this will be a huge American Blockbuster film now. But this story in noway fits that format. This is a film and a story that's a screaming whisper. Personally, Will would need to disappear in the role, and disappearing isn't his forte. This isn't a fast track film, they're just beginning to process - they haven't even found a writer yet (Paul Schrader, Steven - you could get him to write it. He's the only man I'd be interested in writing this film, for you and Will to make. Sadly, I think the script would frighten both of them, but that's the entire point of this movie. If it isn't scary, fucked up and disturbing, leaving the audience scarred and trembling afterwards - everyone involved has FUCKED IT UP! Only make this if that's what you're aiming to do. Otherwise, you're wasting everyone's time. Upon further reflection - I've decided that under no circumstances should Will Smith play the lead character, but rather the mastermind behind it all... and Spielberg should cast James Gandolfini in the lead role. Can you folks imagine how to make this work out?

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  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:32 p.m. CST

    FIRST?!

    by Animus

    HOPE SO

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:32 p.m. CST

    nooooooooooooooo!!!

    by seekshelter

    i just died inside.... awww hell naw!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:34 p.m. CST

    i dont want to hear one liners and trash talking..

    by seekshelter

    during the hammer hallway fight scene...

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Get me his non-union Mexican equivilent!

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    Eeees muy bueno!

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:36 p.m. CST

    How is that even possible?

    by Ghostwood

    There is so much HURT in that film -- which both guys can do very, very well... but Oldboy is grim subject matter. Beyond grim. I don't know... it just doesn't seem right at all.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:36 p.m. CST

    So weird

    by Wolfman Nards

    I just heard about this movie for the first time from a friend at work today... he's letting me borrow it tomorrow. WEIRD!

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:37 p.m. CST

    "Oh damn! I just ate me some live goldfish.": remake change #1

    by The Dum Guy

    2nd:<br><br>"Awww hell, I just made love Alabama styles!"

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Bet

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    it'll feel more like Falling Down than OldBoy

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Wow. Even Nick Cage would be better than Smith.

    by Bungion Boy

    This is a horrible idea to remake it, but that casting can only suggest one thing. That this is going to be a waaaaaaaaay cleaned up version. I don't see the Fresh Prince fucking his daughter. He can't take his son to see that.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Offically wierdest remake project ever...

    by blindambition238

    Even more than Herzog's in the works remake but not remake of Bad Lieutenant with Nic Cage.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:43 p.m. CST

    they are gonna fuck this up

    by gdeo

    if the don't do it the right way...it would be a shame

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:44 p.m. CST

    I'd pay to see Will Smith eat a live octopus...

    by yomomma

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:45 p.m. CST

    At least this is a perfect project for Will Smith to

    by blindambition238

    ...cast another one of his kids in a key role! He has a daughter to play Mido right? Cause that would not only be cute but more 'authentic' than the original!

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST

    will Will cut out his tongue?

    by yomomma

    Oh Heeay Euah!

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:47 p.m. CST

    BOOOOOOOoooooooooo

    by wilsonfisk89

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Will smith doesnt do crazy.

    by yomomma

    And Oldboy was NUTS. They should recast with Flava Flav.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Is this a joke?

    by Dr Gregory House

    How can any 'remake' of Oldboy be a summer blockbuster, especially in uptight America? I can just see the twist ending in the remake...'Awwww FUCK Naw. I make this perverted shit look good'. Golly geez, I sure hope Lucas jumps on board to CGI the octopussy.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Six Degrees of Seperation

    by enderandrew

    That's all anyone can say in defense of this idea.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Is there any way this won't be watered down?

    by thatpeterguy

    Unless they are really trying to do something COMPLETELY different than anything they have ever done before then this should not even be considered a remake. It will probably just become a pretty good dark thriller which is fine but I can't imagine Will and Mr. Spielbergo touching incest.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Dear Wolfman Nards,

    by blindambition238

    If you havent seen it yet, GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS TB NOW FOR YOUR OWN GOOD! <p> It's a great visceral film with lots of twists and turns, all of which will be ruined for you in here.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    hollywood's audacity knows no bounds

    by juice willis

    weak shit.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    hollywood's audacity knows no bounds

    by juice willis

    weak shit.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Too Dark

    by deanbarry

    They'll clean it up for a more generalise release. There is NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH THIS FILM CAN BE PG! The subject matter, the TWIST..crikey! How can it be done? Why would Will and Steve wanna touch this?

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST

    EATERS OF THE DEAD original cut, then worry about OLDBOY

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    How could they even do this? Spielberg and Will Smith? The only way to redo this is with no-name actors, Will Smith has a name.<p>Or real good, well known actors of the Ledger quality.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:56 p.m. CST

    FUCK WILL SMITH!

    by JasonGrey

    What the hell? Seriously. Josh Brolin Ray Winstone Gary Oldman Nicholas Cage Brendan Gleeson Daniel Day Lewis are MUCH better actors suited for the role. Will Smith will fuck it up good.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:57 p.m. CST

    juice willis' audacity knows how to double post.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    I just couldn't resist.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Never Heard of OLDBOY

    by grievenom

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Awwww hell naw!!

    by Varakor

    Fuck! Fuck! Fuck No! Don't remake Oldboy, leave it as is! There's no way hollywood can do this film justice. When I first saw OB it freaked me the hell out because I never knew that kind of evil. And what an ending! I don't think hollywood would allow it, especially spielberg, but ESPECIALLY Wil Smith. Just fuckin no! I'm gonna drown my sorrows in a bowl of coco puffs.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Will Smith has officially started to annoy me.

    by cinemixtape.com

    I used to enjoy the guy's work. No more.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    AWWWWWWW HAAAAAILLLLL NAAAWWWWW!!!

    by sleepyvillain

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Bungion Boy... Nic Cage might work better

    by onezeroone

    after all, isn't 'oldboy' one of the term you'd use for him? He already looks the part... he has that 'past his prime' look that would fit it well enough.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    I actually have HOPE.

    by Lashlarue

    Spielberg is a great filmaker, who does take some risks, watch Munich. Will Smith can be a great actor, watch Ali. I would've cast Sean Penn, but that's just me. Not saying it's going to be great, but I have some hope.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, midnight CST

    Man, seekshelter beat me to it

    by Xandar1977

  • Nov. 7, 2008, midnight CST

    Man, seekshelter beat me to it

    by Xandar1977

    by saying Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Although..

    by Xandar1977

    I'd love to see them try to get Will Smith to eat a live squid.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:02 a.m. CST

    What's next? Disney remaking Battle Royale into a musical?

    by exie

    They will cut the balls out of this and it will suck...and if anyone thinks they will even debate for a second keeping the big twist ending you're on crack. Uncle Stevie doesn't have the stones to even consider it and it's a travesty. Let me tell you something Spielberg, your batting average on remakes sucks. Stay out of them. Everyone who loves film will look at this attempt to remake a great film and see it for what it is...another fucking cash grab...like you need more of our goddamn money. What a waste. Tell me Fincher is making this movie with Will Smith and I'd give it a chance. But Uncle Stevie has all the little kiddies to worry about. Pussy.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:03 a.m. CST

    AWW HELL NAW!!!

    by Thrillho77

    And I know somebody already made that joke. But mines not a joke. It's my actual reaction.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:03 a.m. CST

    and Oldboy has already been 'Remade' Link:

    by onezeroone

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0488906 or http://tinyurl.com/oldboy

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:05 a.m. CST

    NO.

    by mefrog

    nononononononononononononononononononononononono.<br> <br> NO.<br> <br> <br> <br> NO.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:05 a.m. CST

    You KNOW they are going to bastardize it

    by Thrillho77

    You just know it. There's no way they do the same ending. I'll cut out my tongue if they do. <p> Just watch the fucking REAL movie people!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:05 a.m. CST

    THe original pushed the boundaries of good taste

    by yomomma

    Ok, it broke the boundaries. Spielberg and Smith are both very talented, BUT... there is no way Spielberg or Smith are willing to go as far as the original movie did, over and over again. There is no way Will Smith is going to make his $20+ million audience as uncomfortable as it would take to make the first 30 minutes of Oldboy.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:06 a.m. CST

    And then again,

    by Xandar1977

    Will Smith was amazingly un-Will Smith-like in I Am Legend. Jeebus, the Fresh Prince had to strangle his own dog. I don't know, maybe he can pull it off. I would love to be pleasantly surprised, but somehow, i dunno...

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:07 a.m. CST

    you know, Spielberg and Smith have made some good movies

    by TallBoy66

    Maybe this'll be another good one, it's not immediately a wreck to jerk your knee too.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Battle Royale, the musical

    by yomomma

    Be carefull! There might be producers in here surfing for ideas to follw up the "relaunch" of Conquest of the Planet of the Apes and Will Smith as Oldboy. You know, I bet Spielberg and Smith thought they were remaking that Robin WIlliams movie, JACK.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:12 a.m. CST

    It's official. Spielberg has entered Ridley Scott territory.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    In other words, he's got entirely too many projects on his hands. I mean, isn't he supposed to be developing a live action GHOST IN THE SHELL?<P>OLDBOY is a great film. There is no remake needed here. So, if they're going to do anything with it, they should just re-release the original with a big ol' "Presented by Steven Spielberg and Will Smith" attached to to the opening credits.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Remake Machine Girl with Halle Berry...

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    I could work in Hollywood and all of you would hate me.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Stop it with remaking recent flicks at least!

    by Maegnarval

    Just release the dang original one in theaters! i can handle subtitles & or dubbing with no dang problem! It's the ENTERTAINMENT that counts! Not if it's redone with actors living on the same continent i live on & happening to speak the same language. I need & want & crave the variety of Film entertainment from all over the world...just get the original film in theaters don't remake the foreign films!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Really, GHOST IN THE SHELL? He won't do it.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:16 a.m. CST

    For a second I thought this was about John Mccain

    by GunterMonkey

    And I thought, "hasn't the guy had enough problems lately?"

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:19 a.m. CST

    I'm pretty sure I know what this will look like...

    by The Dum Guy

    http://tinyurl.com/67csdy <br><br>That or something close to Wild Wild West...

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:20 a.m. CST

    RE: GHOST IN THE SHELL

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Stereotypical Evil Archer - All I know is that Spielberg personally made sure that Dreamworks acquired the rights to adapt it into a 3-D live action film. I don't know if he intends to direct.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:20 a.m. CST

    No squid in Watchmen = No octopus in Oldboy USA

    by El Mamerro

    Hollywood is firmly against cephalopods.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Why would any studio want Spielberg and...

    by Fa Fa Fooey

    ...Will Smith to make a movie together? Their movies cost $200 million to make and then they get HUGE backend deals that allows for now profit to exist.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:24 a.m. CST

    The only Spielberg property I'm excited about

    by NoodlesHahn

    is Interstellar but I haven't heard anything about it in a long time. Is it still going?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Are you Effing kidding me????

    by StrokerX

    There's NO WAY it can be as good as the original because 1: He wont bang his own daughter...no way, not in a Spielburg film. 2: Do you really see Will Smith ordering octopus?? It'll probably be freaking McDonalds 3: The Dae-su Oh character will never be as good with Will Smith playing the part. 4: He wont bang his daughter. <p> They need to just release the original in theatres.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:28 a.m. CST

    I thought Will Smith did well in I am Legend...

    by PresidentBauer

    ...minus that screwed up action-y ending. If they kept the original ending he would've been in contention for a oscar, imo. But anyway, if the movie is done with that sense of tone, it could be pretty good.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST

    I wasn't being sarcastic about Nick Cage.

    by Bungion Boy

    Wasn't he attached or interested in this a few years ago. I agree. If this has to be remade, (and I really don't think it should be) Nick Cage might not be an awful choice. You know he's crazy enough to eat a live octopus. And I don't think he would shy away from the darker aspects of the story.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Yes, I can see this working...

    by Continentalop

    By using it as inspiration and not doing a remake. Make a movie about a man being trapped by mysterious people for 15 years without ever knowing the motivation, Great potential metaphor for the U.S. policy of imprisoning people at GITMO. Don't have it be about revenge, don't have it be an action movie and don't call it Oldboy!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:37 a.m. CST

    The smallest things can inflate your ego

    by WolfmanNards

    I feel like Harry posted this article as a bragging right more than anything else. " I was the first western critic to review it" and "the only movie I recorded a commentary track on" Get the fuck over yourself, Harry.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

    by css-geek

    This movie will never translate to the regular American audience as it has a very controversial subject. (If you've seen it you know what I mean.) If not watch it & let it not really bother you that much or be disgusted & appalled by it. This will never ever work for the U.S. I can only see them turning it into a revenge flick by having the girl kidnapped and him rescuing her. Not the way that the orginal story goes.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:39 a.m. CST

    CHILLLLLL

    by bnitro

    Everyone calm down. Will can pull this off, and if he doesn't so what the original will still be there.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:39 a.m. CST

    high school musical 4: suicide club

    by bright boy

    the kids take their senior trip to tokyo and start dying off one by one in a set of bizarre ritual suicides. let's make it happen!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Could they legally re-do the octopus scene?

    by The Dum Guy

    I'm sure PETA and the Humane Society would throw a hissy fit about it, even if it was done in a way that was, how to rationalize a Cannibal Holocaust-ism... for food?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:41 a.m. CST

    HOLY SHIT

    by The InSneider

    Harry, I could not agree more. Of course I'm against the idea of an Oldboy remake in principle, but if a studio is going to do it, we can't do much better than Spielberg and the Fresh Prince himself. And having Will play the mastermind would be absolutely perfect. Gandolfini, would be perfect. This entire article is pretty much perfect. Job well done sir, though pity such a job had to be done at all. Sigh-yonara, indeed.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:43 a.m. CST

    My prediction(s) on what will stay...

    by The Dum Guy

    1. The aim of revenge as the main motive.<br><br>2. A re-worked hammer scene.<br><br>3. A watered down octopus scene.<br><br>Other than that, I don't know.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Who cares when AVATAR is fucking our eyeballs in 2009?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    nobody

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Like Pet Semetary's "Sometimes dead is better" --Sometimes subti

    by siouxfire

    Maybe they'll do the CGI bit on the octopus - Will Smith will look like Davy Jones.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:53 a.m. CST

    It's Not Broken!

    by itstherudy

    Yeah, I don't agree with the idea of remakes in general (only when there is something to fix) and there is absolutely nothing to fix with OLDBOY! It is a perfectly harrowing movie that will have you on the edge of your seat. To have Spielberg and Smith helming it means that it would be a "brighter" more "American" version of it and there's nothing "bright" about the movie. Maybe they are shooting or a Departed effect and win awards and what not for being unoriginal lame brains. This movie is going to be remade whither we like it or not (but mostly not) and the thing we can do is not see this movie and hope for it to be total shit so as to prompt people to see the better and ORIGINAL version. Go see Slumdog Millionaire, best movie of 2008!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:59 a.m. CST

    my commentary

    by sloanist

    It is the ONLY FUCKING MOVIE that HARRY HAS DONE COMMENTARY FOR. They CANNOT REMAKE IT. CANNOT.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Oh, God

    by PTSDPete

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Will Smith as Oldboy Guy :

    by PTSDPete

    " I fucked my own kid ? Aw HELL NAW !!!! "

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Man , they're casting Will Smith in ANYTHING

    by PTSDPete

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Oh, what the fuck ever.

    by Anti-fanboy

    This is what Hollywood does. Remakes great movies into mostly not so great movies. Fuck them. I don't pay to see them. I watch the originals and enjoy.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:07 a.m. CST

    They Can't Remake THE GOOD THE BAD THE WEIRD

    by mrbeaks

    But they can fuck this up. And they will. Spielberg may take a risk initially w/ the screenwriter, but he'll bring in Koepp to sanitize it.<br><br>INTERSTELLAR or LINCOLN. Do one of these, please.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Two Words Against Nick Cage as Oldboy :

    by PTSDPete

    Bangkok. Dangerous. W/c bans him from getting near anything ASIAN again.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:14 a.m. CST

    This may be the worse idea since...

    by bb6634

    worse ideas got invented. Seriously. This can not end well...

  • By making it SUCK.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Worst idea ever!!!

    by The Crystal Skull

    Oldboy is perfect! It's waaaaaaaaaay to fucked up for those clean-cut Hollywood family men to do it. If it absolutely had to be done, give it to David Lynch with maybe.... let's see... Philip Seymor Hoffman as the bad guy and.... fuck, I can't think of any A-lister for Oldboy... maybe Christian Bale? Johnny Depp? Hmm... maybe Ewan McGregor? But the idea really hurts just thinking about it. Oldboy should be left alone.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Hollywood cannot remake this

    by The_Squid

    I can't see Will Smith in any role of this movie. This movie is way too fucked up for hollywood to remake. There are too many iconic scenes in this movie; any attempt to remake these scenes will just be rip offs or let downs. This is an epic, artful tragety, modern hollywood just doesn't have the balls to make this movie.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:43 a.m. CST

    And I agree hollywood needs to stop remaking flims from foreigne

    by The_Squid

    They usually suck, although the Departed was pretty good and better than the original. Still I hate seeing bastardized versions of good flicks just because Americans are too ignorant to watch movies from other countries.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:44 a.m. CST

    PLEASE STOP THIS REMAKE MADNESS!!!!!!!!!!!

    by billyhitchcock

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:47 a.m. CST

    I actually don't care that Will Smith is involved...

    by blindambition238

    I'm just appalled that they're remaking it in the first place when the movie is only about 5 years old, never got a proper theatrical release in America, and doesn't suffer from any flaws that they could 'improve' on. <p> I'd respect Spielberg more if he did a Tarantino and marketed a decent US re-release of the movie, instead (he probably wouldn't even want his name on the poster either). This though, is just fucking retarded.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Kevin Bacon woud be better.

    by Some Dude

    Also, raw steak will most likely sub for octopus.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:53 a.m. CST

    No fucking way

    by tbransonlives

    There is no fucking way the incest or violence stays in a remake with either of them on board. And if thats the case why call it a remake?<p> Just steal the premise of a guy being held prisioner in a hotel room for 15 years without knowing the why or who and call it something else.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:58 a.m. CST

    I would've trusted Scorsese a lot more

    by Tokyo_Drifter

    Even if I thought the Departed was just a good movie, rather than agreat one, and overaated, I still trust him more tiw with the source amaterial. This is bogoing to be butchered beyogind belief. Serously, Will Smith?> Seriously? Spielberg for this alone is bad enough, but Will Smith?>??? sorry fort he drunk post, but tihis first of all doesn't need to ber reamde, but with the talent behind it? Why/??? Why??

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 2 a.m. CST

    Nah, Oldboy isn't all that

    by DerLanghaarige

    It is without a doubgt great directed and the acting is in some moments plain brillant, but while the 1st half is really fascinating, the 2nd half is just idiotic and boring. I think the whole movie falls apart when we see the villain. It's one of these cases where a mystery is only interesting as long as it isn't solved. And I doubt the movie would get that much love without the "Tarantino seal of approval". :P<br> This been said: I seriously doubt that a mainstream remake could work. Not because of Will Smith, then outside of his actionmovies he is a great actor, just because they will amplify every bad element of the original, to make a movie that's accepted by mainstream audiences.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 2:01 a.m. CST

    The only duplicatable aspect is the LEAST interesting one

    by IndustryKiller!

    And that's the basic premise of a guy being put in confinement for 15 years for no apparent reason. Other than that the ENTIRE film is in service to its own vulgarity. And I mean that in a good way. It absolutely refuses to flinch. What exactly do they hope to accomplish here? While I don't think it's one of the best films ever made like a lot of the people on this site do, I think what it has going for it is so utterly original and un-American that its potentially career destroying among the cinephile set to attempt it in a big budget setting with two larger than life figures at the helm. It's novelty is it's subversiveness. The film hinges on where it ends up and where it ends up is so utterly twisted that it would immediately alienate any paying American uninitiated audience. I think the only reason most viewers could deal with the ending is that the film is so foreign that there is automatically a safe enough distance mentally by the time the hammer falls. And Will SMith????!! Why is Spielberg so eager to work with this guy?? I can see him now all false bluster and face twisting vulnerability with his hair slightly grayed but yet of course impeccably ripped and confident to a fault. Hell I hope its that way because I doubt he could competently pull off anything else.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 2:02 a.m. CST

    BOOOOOOOoooooooooo...

    by Tokyo_Drifter

    ...Is goddamn right,yomamma.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Just change the name. Please.

    by DarthCorleone

    I'll be happy to see a relatively gritty loose adaptation of Oldboy with Spielberg at the helm and Will Smith starring. But just change the name. Because we all know "loose adapatation" is generous, and it won't be Oldboy.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 2:27 a.m. CST

    "Can you imagine how to make this work?"

    by the milf lover

    err Harry... <p> how about BY NOT REMAKING OLDBOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK!!!!! Hollywood has to fucking DIE!!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Damn You Michael Bay

    by MCMLXXVI

    Damn You Michael Bay

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Schrader writing is a good idea...

    by DanielKurland

    This is my absolute FAVORITE movie. The sequence at the end, switching from past to present over the ledge, and the imaginary cocking of the gun, mixed with the swelling music is a piece of art.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Awwwwww hell to the Naawwww!!

    by Stalkeye

    Didn't really care for smith's I am Legend and remaking a Korean classic like oldboy is complete bastardization.I'd rather see a Battle Royale remake helmed by Tarantino than this shit.<p>Fuck Hollywood as the song goes.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Waste of fuckin time!

    by Boba Fat

    My time, your time, the Berg's time and Big Willie time. Of all the projects Spielberg could get of the ground this is the least exciting.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Nic Cage in Oldboy?

    by Stalkeye

    I must concur that after seeing Bangkok Dangerous, It's not a good look.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Bad Boys III: Oldboys

    by ianlegend

    Will Smith as Oldboy - what a cuntish idea.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3:12 a.m. CST

    "I was the first Western Critic to see the film."

    by Squelchy

    Grow up, Harry.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3:13 a.m. CST

    It would be a freakin travesty

    by chavee

    This film is best in it's true, pure original form. As talented as Spielberg and Smith are the subject matter is, IMHO, beyond what they could do. To not represent it in a respectful manner is a travesty and an insult. Hollywood needs to stop ripping off foriegn flicks and try enlisting some of the talent that must starving for proper treatment in our own country. With that being said if they are going to rape this flick cast someone who ends up looking just as crazy as Oldboy. I agree with the above post that mentioned Gary Oldman. He could look just as crazy and tortured.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Let's feed Will Smith a fucking massive Octopus!

    by The Equalizer

    Worst News Ever - but getting to see Will Smith eat a live Octopus, which I sincerely hope will choke him, would be movie gold.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Squid

    by Lost Jarv

    The Departed is not a patch on Infernal Affairs. <P>Do not debate me on this.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3:30 a.m. CST

    man oh man

    by Epleterte

    this just confirms it for real, what we have known so long: hollywood's new goal is officially not money, but to piss off everyone and take a real solid crap on anything good and solid.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3:39 a.m. CST

    The whole hypnosis thing

    by judderman

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3:40 a.m. CST

    The whole hypnosis thing

    by judderman

    I don't think anyone's going to buy it anyway, whoever remakes this flick. It kinda works in Korean, when everything seems exotic and strange to Western viewers, but when placed in familiar contexts, it wouldn't work.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3:41 a.m. CST

    Spielberg is officially a hack now, so I say "NO!"

    by ricarleite

    I mean, come on, he has going through some really nasty projects, and no word of that seriously-toned Lincoln biopic. Spielberg has lost ALL credibility with me, ALL. I don't care if he's done Close Encounters, Jaws, ET, JP and Schindler's List, he's no better than Michael Bay these days. I REALLY feel this won't go through and will continue in a perpetual development hell, but let's see.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Hold on friends, hold on.

    by Roketopunch

    If we collectively join together and pray tonight and every night this film will never be made. Please, oh lord, don't ever allow this film to be made. With your vengeance strike those down with lightining and plagues those that want to make this, Seriously. Please, NO MORE REMAKES OF FILMS THAT ARE GREAT ON THEIR OWN!!! REALLY STOP. STOP. STOP.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3:55 a.m. CST

    This has 'PG-13' written all over it!

    by ugh

    Run. Don't walk, RUN! Far, far away.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:08 a.m. CST

    Chiwetel Ejiofor, or

    by DC Films

    Benicio Del Torro for the lead. Chris Cunningham to direct his unique vision of the story. Or, for a down to earth telling, then Stephan Frears (he got a great performance from Chiwetel Ejiofor in Dirty Pretty Things).

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Shit idea. This won't happen.

    by Droid

    If this were to get made, you'd need to re-team Ferrara and Keitel. Anyway, Spielberg is attached to about 50 different projects. He needs to go make Tintin, then Lincoln and Interstellar. In that order because he will need a little time to buffer the impact, the awesomeness, the glory, of AVATAR! Seriously, Cameron. Make more movies!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Shia cast already.

    by Scathing

    "You kiddin' me?! I've been here most of my life?! no no no no no no no no no no no ..."

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Gary Fuckin Oldman.

    by CENOBITE

    You need an older, more worn fella that could pull this off. I could think of a hundred actors better suited for this role. Hell, even Tom Hanks would be a better fit! I can just imagine him turning psycho, would be a nice change of pace.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Someone needs to take a hammer to there poeple.

    by kingoflight

    Why the fuck do they need to remake this ? If you can't sit through a movie with sub titles or even a dub, then fuck off.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:24 a.m. CST

    WHY?

    by kafka07

    This is absolutely retarded. We all must boycott it.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Russell Crowe, Gandolfini or Oldman

    by Spacesheik

    Those choices I can believe - anyone else no thanks. Especially Will Smith. Besides Spielberg is too PC, family oriented now he cant direct hard, edgy flicks - even his mainstream commercial stuff like INDY 4 is defanged, devoid of danger, decent action and gravitas - the man cant even direct escapist films anymore let alone violent complex melodramas.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Can they possibly keep the same ending???

    by Bob Cryptonight

    I mean, the whole point of the film is so fucked up--will they change it? I can't imagine Spielberg keeping it...

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:30 a.m. CST

    Knowing Spielberg ...and Smith

    by Spacesheik

    He will have Smith sitting in a solitary confinement hotel watching WB cartoons on tv and working out with weights constantly looking at pictures of his wife and kids - with a syrupy John Williams score in the background.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:36 a.m. CST

    The ending will cause controversy...

    by theycallmemrglass

    ...thats why hollywood is making it. A lot of people will be disturbed. I was fucking disturbed when I saw the original, I stumbled out of the cinema fucking dazed. I hated the ending but I cant deny its fucked up power. Only the Japanese can throw something like that at you. This being made by Spielbeerg and Will sounds fucking odd. But I agree that Oldman is made for this part.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:36 a.m. CST

    Tarantino is to blame for this

    by fisheater

    If he hadn't crapped all over the original at Cannes it would have just stayed unknown and this film would not be made. TRUE fans of real Asian cinema would find it any way. Yo that squid scene was fukn awesome, as awesome as his dessent into madness with ants and shit. Almost as awesome as the start, lol, drunk dude at a cop shop. KOREAN CINEMA IS THE BEST NEW CINEMA - AMERICA knows it and they steal it. BTW, You got to see Dumplings (chinese/hong kong film), if your into seriously taboo subject matter thats one for the American Anti Abortion movement right there!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:37 a.m. CST

    Spielberg wants some Asian ass to rape.

    by V'Shael

    Raping Indiana Jones clearly didn't satiate him and his evil lusts...

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Will it even work as a Hollywood film?

    by Bob Cryptonight

    The whole movie seems to NEED the Asian cultural aspects in the story...I just can't imagine it all happening with Americans. Besides, didn't Smith refuse to be seen in bed with a guy for SIX DEGREES OF SEPARATION? Will he actually be in a film where he has sex with his own *SPOILER* kid???

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:42 a.m. CST

    Real Octopus and real cow in Apoc. Now

    by fisheater

    It doesn't happen any more, least not in the west. I appreciate Tony Jaa risking his life and legs for art, i really do. Kill more animals bitches, its artistic

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Scientology is NO excuse anymore Will

    by fisheater

    He left those mad hatters so i dk why he would make this vomit

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Random Thoughts

    by mossad77

    1.Harry did a commentary? I can't understand the idea of a commentary by someone who didn't work on the film / show - like Cody Diablo on Spaced. Those only make sense when the director is DEAD like a Kurosawa film. Even then it's ususally a critic, not some ex stripper with one screenplay to her name. 2. Tuna fish? What's this American thing (I'm sure I've heard it before) of saying Tuna-FISH. It IS a fish. Talk about redundant. Tonight I'm having Chicken....bird! 3. If it had to be remade - and it doesn't - please, Cronenberg and Mortensen. 4. Just in case anyone is as retarded as the folks on IMDB can be, let me preemptively say ; the first film is not a 'remake'. When you film a novel or graphic novel it's an ADAPTATION. Also, having read something like 5 of the books so far, I can actually say that I was very surprised to find that the FILM IS BETTER for once!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:45 a.m. CST

    Chris Nolan and Bruce Willis?

    by theycallmemrglass

    I really see Willis being perfect for this even more than Oldman. Nolan or Alfonso Cauron would be better to direct.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:46 a.m. CST

    CENOBITE...

    by DC Films

    Gary Oldman would make it worth seeing (so long as it's an 18)

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:48 a.m. CST

    I got nuthin'....

    by LHombreSiniestro

    this movie is going to suck balls......

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:48 a.m. CST

    theycallmemrglass...

    by DC Films

    Nolan's gotten the best Oldman performance in year with TDK. Bale would be good as Oldman's his dodgy friend.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Owen Wilson.

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    Thats who should star. I've said it before. Go watch Minus Man. Rather than taking a hard ass actor and making him soft and flubbery to do the beginning, why not do the opposite. Would suit the film. I think he could do it. Don't really see the point in remaking Oldboy though. Was pretty perfect as it was. The incest flash backs did drag a bit I guess.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Oh, and Smith is a far far better choice for the film...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Then Gandolfini, or Cage, or Willis, or Russell Crowe. Honestly people suggesting these names must have slept through the whole film except for the hammer/hallway scene or when he beats those punks when he gets out. Hollywood douches doing remakes don't look so bad next to those suggestions.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:52 a.m. CST

    I'm not gonna cry

    by Vern

    If Spielberg wants to do it I'm pretty sure he has a good idea for it. I don't know if anybody else has noticed this but the guy knows how to direct a movie. Go ahead and take a look at his filmography if you don't believe me. I think you will be surprised. There are some good ones on there.<p> I say don't bother getting up in arms because there's about a negative 250% chance it will be a retread of the original. I imagine he is interested in the basic premise of a dude being imprisoned for reasons he doesn't understand and not so much in the ludicrous explanation at the end. It'll be a totally different entity and will be a chance for Tom Hanks to take a nap while Spielberg experiments with a different superstar.<p> Don't get me wrong, OLDBOY is a good movie and all but I think you boys have put it on a bit too much of a pedestal. Just because it has a cool hammer scene doesn't mean it's a way of life we must die to protect. And I say a loosely inspired riff by one of the best living directors is better than the Americanized re-enactment we've been promised for years. I bet they won't even call it OLDBOY anyway. If they make it.<p> Plus, isn't the movie based on some japanese comic strip or something? Could I request that the fans of that please express their shock and outrage at what the Koreans did to their beloved original version?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:54 a.m. CST

    Technically Guantanimo is the same thing Vern

    by fisheater

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Vern, for me at least,

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    Its the fact that there is alot of interesting material out there that hasn't been filmed. Why waste our times with cash grabs when you are Spielberg, a dude who can almost get anything made? Why head to remake well? Theres a thousand or so japanese comics better than Oldboy he could adapt.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Might be like SEVEN SAMURAI vs. THE MAGNIFICENT 7?

    by Bob Cryptonight

    Actually, the OLDBOY premise could be used to tell a really awesome action story! The set up is the cool part, anyway. The explanation for it all could really be anything. Sort of like SEVEN SAMURAI vs. THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN. Maybe they are just buying the premise and going in a whole different direction.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 5:08 a.m. CST

    'A Japanese comic strip or something'

    by mossad77

    AICN always seems so proud of it's film AND 'geek' knowledge. The Vern says this. YES, it's based on a MANGA; a series of graphic novels. It's not PEANUTS mate. And Whiny Negative ; where quality do you see in Smith that us blind folks don't?! Because anyone would play the role better than him. Oh, and Vern - I for one don't think of Old Boy as "The film with the bitchin' hammer scene". I certainly don't put it on a pedestal, but perhaps if it were an American modern classic you'd be less inclined to say 'why not remake it?' And please don't go there with "But it's Spielberg!" He made Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls didn't he? He made 1941, right? No man is infallible.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 5:10 a.m. CST

    In defense

    by Alientoast

    People bash Will Smith, but I think he's a pretty solid actor when given the chance. I would be more concerned with them changing the end...you can't change one of the biggest "HAHA FUCK YOU" endings in movie history.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 5:12 a.m. CST

    mossad77, Vern was being dismissive not ignorant.

    by Bob Cryptonight

    Just for the record.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 5:13 a.m. CST

    Vern

    by Boba Fat

    Spielberg could probably make a great film about a dude being imprisoned for reasons he doesn't understand, but why call it a remake of Oldboy. I understand your faith in the Berg and don't think of Oldbay as untouchable but a de-sanitzed version, which is surely they only way those two could make it, does not make any sense.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Korea and Japan can remake each others films, That makes sense

    by fisheater

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 5:16 a.m. CST

    Harry is right on the money

    by DannyOcean01

    Will Smith as the villain would be far better than him playing the lead. Either him or Tom Cruise. In fact Cruise would be even better.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 5:18 a.m. CST

    If it's a REMAKE, the original writers/producers get paid.

    by Bob Cryptonight

    That's why it is called a remake. Otherwise they could just steal the premise and everyone would be screaming about how they ripped off OLDBOY.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Bob Cryptonight

    by mossad77

    Oh that makes it okay.....not. I already said in my first post that someone would go for the 'stop crying, it's based on a graphic novel anyway it's like....sort of a remake itself' tack.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 5:22 a.m. CST

    for decades disney wandted to make

    by emeraldboy

    the children of lir. and it never happened. to expensive. Its a story of man whose wife dies. and he spurns the love of another woman. big mistake. she is a witch and as punishment she turns his children into swans for 900 years. if they leave the water, they will age quickly and die. you can see why disney were attracted to it. fit right into their cannon of fairy tales. DiCarpio wanted to make Brian Boru. aint gonna happen.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 5:29 a.m. CST

    Bob Cryptonight

    by Boba Fat

    You don't call a film a re-make because it's a similar idea and you don't want to get sued. Somebody being locked up and not knowing why isn't an an idea owned by the Oldboy producers, i.e The Cube, The Prisoner, Maybe even Lost..well maybe, but to announce this as a remake then they have to be taking more of the original concept and that leaves an ultra violent tale of incest and revenge. Maybe the film is going to really surprise me but Spielberg and Smith doing a film like that? I can't see it.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 5:40 a.m. CST

    mossad77

    by Bob Cryptonight

    Vern always mocks this sort of fanboy whining, anyway. Unless it's a film HE thinks is classic and therefore untouchable.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 5:42 a.m. CST

    spielberg is shit, lost his edge over a decade ago

    by Ecto-1

    Do we really want to see the guy who was responsible for the shit-fest that was Kingdom of The Crystal Skull, and the muppet who stared in the total fuck up that was I Am Legend, take on Oldboy??? Why don't they just go all the way and have Lucas produce it and Akiva Goldsman write the script... This is dreadful news.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Not seen all of Oldboy...

    by Roland_The_Gunslinger

    ...I got it at Christmas last year off my beautiful fiancee in the awesome Vengeance Trilogy boxset, complete with hammer, map poster etc. Anyhoo, before acquiring said boxset I rented Oldboy but only watched about half an hour, for reasons unknown. But I'm pretty sure it wasn't because I didn't like it, I remember it being moody as fuck and I love moody. As for this story. I shall watch the film before I go batshit crazy about a remake by The Beard and The Last Man on Earth. Just as a 'throwing it out there' to all you who have seen Oldboy, would Ben Foster fit the role?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Boba Fat

    by Bob Cryptonight

    My point is just that maybe the so-called "watered down" version we all assume they will make is in reality just a different take on the idea. The incest ending won't necessarily have to be intact in a Hollywood film that delivers on action.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:03 a.m. CST

    RAGE....

    by DC Films

    Is what we feel on the character's behalf for what's happened to him. The hallway/hammer scene is necessary to move the story on to what happens afterwards. Without this portrayed in a graphic, cathartic way, the character's trapped in the first act - we're still waiting for catharsis. The horrendous ordeal the first act puts the protagonist through calls for an equally horrendous climax/end of the act (look to Shakespeare). These 2 elements have to be equal or it fails. If they tone down the retribution for the kiddies, then they must tone down the ordeal (not as long in captivity): Again it fails. Don't wanna tell you how to suck eggs, but be true to the story Mr Spielberg, or it's a lame duck.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:07 a.m. CST

    Fincher directing, Day-Lewis as lead, DiCaprio as villain

    by ev1ldead

    would still be unnecessary, but maybe good.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Harrison Ford

    by Dominic-Vobiscum

    If I was going to do an Oldboy remake I'd go with Harrison Ford. He does frenzied desperation well, is the right age, and could handle the action scenes.<br><br> But then I would never do a remake of Oldboy.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Could be as a great as the Departed

    by Evil Hobbit

    Which was as great as the original brought in a fresh new western approach. If they do it half as good with this one it can be one hell of a good flick!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:14 a.m. CST

    No point in remaking a perfect film

    by Fuzhi

    but If I should choose I would cast Mickey Rourke, Gary Oldman or Benicio Del Toro as the lead. I guess Smith could work as the villain.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:20 a.m. CST

    ev1ldead...

    by DC Films

    If only!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:20 a.m. CST

    Remakes are an insult to the makers of the original

    by moviemaniac-7

    At least, that's what I think. Is there such a drought in Hollywood for an original thought that remakes and sequels are the best they can do?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Gotta Agree...

    by InfernoDragyn

    with Fuzhi, about the only american actor I can see doing the part correctly would be Micky Rourke.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:34 a.m. CST

    "Could be as a great as the Departed"

    by Lost Jarv

    What, you mean "shit and not a patch on the original". <P>Where did this ludicrous adoration of that wankfest come from?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:35 a.m. CST

    AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

    by just pillow talk

    This fucking blows.<p>2for2true is gonna be fucking pissed...prepared to be stabbed in the mouth with a #2 pencil Mr. Smith and Mr. Spielberg.<p>And the Departed sucked.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:39 a.m. CST

    I'll say one thing ;

    by mossad77

    I NEVER imagined that Spielberg would consider directing a remake. Are we sure he's not just wearing his producer hat? I mean, his next film is supposedly Tin Tin, and he's still got that Lincoln biopic to do......maybe he's just doing another 'Transformers'.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:40 a.m. CST

    why the fuck do we need this?

    by Gungan Slayer

    Spielberg's got like some 2,000 other projects on his slate...why can't he start working on those rather than providing us with an unnecessary remake?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:51 a.m. CST

    WELCOME TO EARF

    by the new transported man

    fail

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7 a.m. CST

    Spielberg, no way

    by Buffalo500

    he has not got the balls to pull this off, all his films eventually descend into sentimental slush, and don't get me started on the fresh prince...

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:04 a.m. CST

    "I think you boys have put it on a bit too much of a pedestal"

    by Bouncy X

    sadly that applies to sooooo many movies around these parts, hence the constant bitching and moaning.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:10 a.m. CST

    In the name of HOLY FUCK!!!

    by BigCZee

    Just blow my head off with a fucking twelve-gauge right fucking now! I cant stand this shit any more. Doesn't any of these fucking cocksuckers have a shred of decency left in them!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST

    AAAAWWWWW HEEEEL NNNAAAAWWWW!!!

    by spud mcspud

    WHAT! THE! FUCK?!?!?<P> At least it ain't Shia LeBouef. YET.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:17 a.m. CST

    HSM: BATTLE ROYALE

    by spud mcspud

    You have no idea how much I want to see this. And to see Vanessa Hdgens walk out, barely dressed and drenched in gore, looking every bit the sexy Chiaki-Kuriyama type we all secretly hoped she would be. With Zac Efron's fucking head on a pole.<P> Let's see that plastic bastard anger-dance his way out of THAT. Fucker.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:20 a.m. CST

    DC Films

    by spud mcspud

    After that abomination that was IJATKOTQUARTZCRANIUM, I think we're ALL entitled to tell Senor Spiegelberger how to suck eggs, since he obviously seems to have forgotten how to. I think he's caught some kind of talent-sucking disease from Darth Gibbering. What the hell happened?<P> Still need to watch MUNICH, restore some of my faith in the Man. And I haven't seen OLDBOY yet... but then, spoilers hold no fear for me. Tell me EVERYTHING!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:23 a.m. CST

    THIS WILL BE DARKER THAN YOU FUCKING EXPECT THAT IS SPIELBERG'S

    by Proman1984

    THIS WILL BE DARKER THAN YOU FUCKING EXPECT THAT IS SPIELBERG'S GENIUS. HE WILL CATCH YOU MOTHERFUCKERS BY SUPRISE. EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED. THIS MOVIE WILL OWN.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:27 a.m. CST

    I don't know what OLDBOY is about

    by ATARI

    so I guess I don't really give a shit.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:32 a.m. CST

    How it could "work"...

    by Kid Z

    ...No FUCKIN' Remake... that's how it could "work"!!! FUCK HOLLYWOOD!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:35 a.m. CST

    I agree with Proman1984

    by topher tencha

    Yes, there is some shock to this but never count out Spielberg for anything.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Awwwww helll awwuuuuhhhhh!....

    by Kid Z

    ....ah hush cuh ow muh hungue!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:39 a.m. CST

    The new twist ending will be

    by blindambition238

    that Will Smith was Jewish all along.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:43 a.m. CST

    stop with remakes and write something original

    by rodneyfaile

    can anyone write anything anymore? is everything a tribute to something else or an outright remake? someone grow a set and put their own ideas out there instead of making live action scooby doo.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Maybe George Lucas can get involved

    by blindambition238

    Then we can have a funny scene where Oh-Daesu-Smith tries to eat the live octopus, but then it sudden comes to life and acts as his comedic sidekicik/ Jimeney cricket. He can call it 'Octy', or just 'Pussy'.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Whatever happened to that J.S.A remake

    by blindambition238

    take would seamlessly substitute the struggle between North and South Korea for USA and Mexico?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Why is this happening??

    by Evangelion217

    I mean, why does hollywood feel the need to remake great films like this?? Why can't they remake shitty films?? Like "Troll", or "Battlefield Earth." Those films are terrible, and deserve to be remade. I could actually see them being good films(lol).

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Oh for the love of God...

    by hobbitfeet

    When will Hollywood ever learn to leave these things alone. 90% of all current remakes are shit... fact! If they do insist in fucking with this classic than atleast try and give a damn about it's origin and don't just make it another struggling lead actor (cough... Nic Cage... cough) cash in vehicle. The point of the Dae-Su character so excellently played by Choi Min-sik was that he wasn't a hard bastard to start with but became one through his isolation and psychological torture. The transformation is more akin to something like say James McAvoy in Wanted. Bad analogy but you catch my drift. Putting a hard bastard actor in the role defeats the object of the story. Instead imagine someone like Tom hanks. Again a bad analogy but considering the bearded ones attachment that may be closer to the truth.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Vern, you're pathetic...

    by onezeroone

    and your post shows why you're stuck as an AICN scribe and not remaking your fav classic.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:56 a.m. CST

    No fucking way man!

    by Cat_Corporation

    Hey, I love Spielberg the same as most other movie fans, and Jaws is pretty much my favourite movie, but I don't ever want to see a remake of this film - and especially not with Will Smith, who already butchered the character of Robert Neville for me. I love OldBoy. This is just wrong on every level. For a start, there is no way, no way at all that they will keep the original ending. No way will anyone in authority let Smith be depicted on screen (SPOILER) shagging his own daughter, consciously or unconsciously - and then specifically choosing to wipe his own memory so he can carry on shagging his own daughter. I just can't imagine a Hollywood film having the balls to go to the places that Park and his wonderful lead actor did, to make the audience almost pleased when the 'hero' gets a 'happy ending' that is really a fucking tragedy. You just know the reason they decided to remake this film was the fucking hammer fight - someone saw it and thought, check out this cool Asian flick - makes me wonder if they actually watched and understood the whole thing. And you just know the hammer fight is gonna be the centrepiece of the whole thing, in all the trailers. This is SHIT. OldBoy is the only film EVER, in all my years of cinemagoing, to literally make me jump up out of my seat and swear out loud at the end, and one of the few to stay in my thoughts for days afterwards. I've never ranted on this site before, but this has really pissed me off. Sorry Spielberg, but to hell with this crapfest. It you can't do it properly, don't do it at all. There's just no need.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:58 a.m. CST

    I also would've prefered Cage going all Wicker Manic

    by Spandau Belly

    Seeing Cage stuff a squid in his mouth would be worth the price of admission alone, but when you factor in the extended freakout at the end where he cuts out his own tongue, it just turns into solid gold. Just imagining Cage rolling around on the floor screaming "I'll be your dog!" all howdigetbuhrned style has me laughing out loud right now.<br><br>I also think we're ready for a Nick Cage Planet of the Apes remake. People have forgotten the Marky Mark version by now I'm sure.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Look on the bright side...

    by themikejonas

    Originally it was Justin Lin attached to this project. I'll take Spielberg over that hack any day.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Yes Cenobite - GARY FUCKING OLDMAN

    by JackFoley

    I've always thought Gary would be perfect for this, if the US decided to RUIN a perfectly good movie with a needless remake. I'd be half interested if Steven was involved, but mentioning Will Smith involved has just DESTROYED this for me.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Are new scripts THAT much to ask for?

    by fireclown

    Honestly.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Spacesheik

    by Bastila

    'Spielberg is too PC, family oriented now he cant direct hard, edgy flicks' Munich anyone? I'm not saying I'm for this at all, but I really doubt Spielberg would even consider remaking Oldboy if he didn't have the best intentions for it. I've no idea how they are going to handle it but he's not stupid.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 8:23 a.m. CST

    If Speilberg wants to remake a disturbing Asian film

    by beefywhore

    He is much better suited to a Battle Royal... Leave Old Boy alone please.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Oldboy is hackery itself!

    by callowteen

    juvenile hyper-violent, ubercool hackery! For christs sake, the only reason this film surfaced at Cannes was due to Quentin T. being on the jury. It's Korean origin further proves that it was made to shatter the stringent taboo's of the nations climate...nothing else... amusement shouldn't be so easy.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Whats the point?

    by Gabba-UK

    seriously.... words fail me.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Aw Hail Naw! You did not just lock me in a room for 15 years

    by Crimson Dynamo

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST

    I had to fast-forward through Oldboy...crappy film

    by Rupee88

    Sorry, but it just wasn't even watchable...it had a lot of dumb parts. It is beyond overrated.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 8:54 a.m. CST

    They'll probably replace the hammer

    by Garbageman33

    With an Uzi.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Mickey Rourke?

    by Charles Macum Diggs

    Not to be too obvious because of the recent review but wouldnt Rourke be perfect in the lead?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Problems, but not with Spielberg

    by Lorquaine

    Spielberg seems to want to return to his roots: a fourth Indy, a SciFi epic also coming up, and now he maybe wants to disturb and scare the freakin sh*t outa people again. He's a magic man, and I don't see why a dreamer can't make a nightmarish film. If he has a good rewrite of the original, it could work. He has to go for it no holds barred, though. Or they twist it into a totally different direction. Let's face it: Scorcese's version of "Infernal Affairs" was far inferior to the original, still the people loved it. BUT I don't see Will Smith in there. Maybe Smith wants to break out of the confines of the generic stereotype roles he's getting, but I don't see how he could pull it off. Will Smith as the bg mastermind? Yes, that could work. But Gandolfini? No way. I'd go for someone like John Leguizamo, Casey Affleck etc.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Incest

    by Charles Macum Diggs

    I have so many questions about this remake. Could they have the bearded one and Hancock making an incest movie? 10 to 1 says they remove that aspect from the film which would make it a different movie.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Criticisms of Oldboy?

    by Guy Gaduois

    As a father, I can tell you this movie freaked me the hell out. I despaired of life for Dae-Su . . . I was trucking along, all cool with the revenge premise and the twist kinda made me want to puke. Spoiler: the tongue scene is very non-western; I can't think of anyone from the west thinking this is a solution. <p> I never want to see this movie again in any incarnation - not because it was bad, but because it freaked and bummed me out for days. Unless they have a credit 'based on the premise' of "Oldboy", I can't imagine U.S. audiences buying it. <p> For the folks knocking the movie, I just can't see the dislike of the product.... I disliked the way I felt afterward, but it's a compelling story. <p> If you cast this, it has to be with someone unassuming; that's what the scene in the beginning is with Dae-su in the police station. <p> Giamatti could pull it off. But I don't want him to. Leave this one alone.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Oldboy is a brilliant film...

    by SkinJob69

    No need to remake it. At all.<p> Maybe they can call the Will Smith version something different, and put a "based on" title at the beginning?<p> BTW what happened to the planned remake of Timecrimes (Chronocrimines)?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Rupee 88

    by most excellent ninja

    for 3 years now, you have disgusted me with your stupid remarks. Again, kill yourself. You wanted a cloth suited Batman right? fuckhead.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    by kabong

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Will James Gandolfini Eat His Tormentors?

    by Aquatarkusman

    If so, then yes, cast him by all means.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST

    The movie MORON industry never stops sinking

    by kabong

    Spielberg and Will Smith do not belong anywhere near "Oldboy." <p> Will Smith?! Ha ha ha. Tom Cruise not available? <p> Put a dog in it.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    If SS and WS want to make a revenge movie....

    by bee152

    Then they should make up one on their own. I like both of these guys and enjoy the majority of their films but you can not clean this up with out taking away the impact of the incest and its revelation later on. And I'm sorry but SS tried to finish Kubrick's AI but lacked the dark vision that needed to be maintained throughout. BY the way, the hallway fight scene was the best fight scene I ever saw (besides Any Which Way But Loose) and I doubt SS can create a better one.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Meh, they'll rename it and gut the plot

    by TroutMaskReplicant

    People will barely recognise it's based on Oldboy. First the weird name will go (cos it sounds a bit NAMBLA) and all the more extreme elements will go. Essentially all that they'll use is the first 20 minutes and some of the ending. I can't be bothered caring anymore. Has anyone read the rejected script that was written for the remake? I never got past the first few pages. Perhaps I'll read on...

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    It should be mentioned...

    by bee152

    the similarities of Oldboy to Greek tragedies. I recently saw the play "A View From the Bridge" by Arthur Miller at the Guthrie Theater which takes the Greek tragedies and places them in a late 1940's setting in the Brooklyn shipyards.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Noooooooooooooooo

    by StovetopStuffin'

    ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo What is with Speilbergo and the scientolologists?!?!?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Oldboy is hugely overrated

    by Spikey

    Its got some great scenes in it, particularly the hallway fight but it makes zero sense by the end. What was the motivation for his actions? No one in the west would react like that to finding out about his daughter and the japanese would react even less so in the same situation. It compeltely lost it for me by the end.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Will we find out that aliens imprisoned him?

    by _Maltheus_

    Spielberg is the most overrated director of all time. He had a few good flicks in the 70s and 80s, but guess what, he got older. Creative types don't improve with age. Not ever. So of course this movie is going to suck. And it won't be anything like Oldboy. If it's Spielberg, it has to have aliens or Nazis in it. He can't relate to anything else. He even fucked up AI with those stupid aliens.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    New improved Oldboy

    by Charles Macum Diggs

    I picture Oldboy beeing held captive in a fridge for 20 years until a nuclear bomb frees him from captivity.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    "The Japanese would react even less so..."

    by Garbageman33

    Um, you know the movie was Korean right? "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Fuck Oldboy

    by HoboCode

    It IS overrated. And for those bitching about a watered down version, need I remind you that this film partially inspired the Virginia Tech massacre.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Hollywood has gangp-raped everything I hold dear

    by quentintarantado

    So what's one more? One of my favorite video games is Burnout, the objective being to cause the biggest car wreck. This here is a big wreck of a movie coming up. Actually, it's so exciting the anticipation is unbearable!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST

    spud mcspud...

    by DC Films

    Munich will certainly restore faith, as will Catch Me If You Can. Oldboy would be a great vehicle for him if he used it to break free of the 'family friendly handcuffs' he's been wearing.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Idea.

    by CGI_Pants

    Take the money required to make this remake. Buy the rights to the original Oldboy, and give the current, excellent film a distribution on par with what this rubbish remake idea would get. Don't fuck with things. If you like the movie, that's fine. It certainly doesn't mean you need to remake it. Jesus Christ.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Spielberg and Smith? You CANNOT make this shit up.

    by Christopher3

    If there were ever two people less suited for this project, I can't think of them.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST

    are you sure it's Oldboy and not Steamboy?

    by jim

    I can see Spielberg attempting a live-action Steamboy. <p>By the way, what's up with Spielberg's Lincoln movie? I thought that was going to be his next project after Munich.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Aaah finally! Someone who thinks it is overrated!

    by TheBigLebowsky

    I thought I was the only one in the world!... I saw the twist coming from a thousand miles, and... everthing is so cartoony, you can't get invested at all in any character... I guess you have to be a fan of asian cinema and manga comics to like this...

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST

    This feels spurious....

    by LORDRANDO

    Isnt Spielberg too afraid of bad press to direct the remake of an infamous flick like this...I mean some detractors will bring up Virginia Tech...does ol' Steve want that on his mind?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    I have a lot of love for Spielberg and Smith, but...

    by a goonie

    I am most certainly and completely NOT on board with this idea. I am among those that absolutely adore Oldboy and I completely agree with everything Harry is saying here. That great, unexpected, shocking ending is the key to it all. To follow such brilliant setup and not know that we're being set up for such a disturbing conclusion is what makes this movie resonate for me. I am really afraid that an American remake (no matter who is involved) will be watered-down and ineffective.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Atari...

    by emeraldboy

    Old boy tells the story of a man whose entire family has been wiped out. the film dazzling opening sees old boy fall out of a suitcase with nothing but a note. For the rest of the movie he seeks revenge on those who killed his family. the movie gets bloodier as it goes and nastier. The man who made this made three other films, include the bonkers Im a cyborg but thats ok. about a girl in a mental institution who thinks she is a cyborg. Fans of maker of oldboy think that his other films were not as good as oldboy.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    I think I would rather watch....

    by slave to the one

    the Love Guru while someone takes a shit in my mouth and someone kicks me repeatedly in the balls before you get me to watch a western remake of Oldboy! The original is perfect and there is no way a remake will come close to being as fucked up and disturbing!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Chocolate, Tuna Fish and Beets

    by veritasses

    sounds about right. You'd think there are far better fitting projects these two can work on.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Replace Incest with walkie talkies.

    by JediRob

    Then we'll have a movie. And a GC octopus that he won't eat that becomes his sidekick.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Virginia Tech

    by Garbageman33

    Refresh my memory. What part of Old Boy could've possibly inspired a gunman to shoot up a school? Maybe if he'd gone in with a hammer, but not a semiautomatic rifle. At least there was a school shooting in The Basketball Diaries, when they say that inspired Columbine. Clearly, the people who blamed Oldboy for that nutcase never even saw the movie.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 11:37 a.m. CST

    SPOLIER

    by Saltoner

    It seems like Spielberg and Smith doing a movie where the guy fucks his daughter is a bit too much for Hollywood and both of them. I'm sure that element will be changed into something very vanilla and lame! Why do people remake classics? As of this point, Spielberg is now a class C director. His best stuff is behind him unfortunately.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Bollywood already tried this...

    by Johnno

    They ripped it off and still fucked it up and got rid of the incest thing. This movie won't work unless they are keeping the initial locked up revenge premise and action sequences, but they'll change the motivation for it all as well as the 'punishment' revelation at the end. But that's what made Oldboy Oldboy. This will be an unnecessary waste...

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 11:59 a.m. CST

    chicken mcnuggets instead of dumplings

    by readyoufool

    will smith will have to visit every mcdonald's in the entire state of california in order to find his captor! At the end, the twist will be that his captor will point out that mcnuggets taste the same everywhere you go, thus pushing smith over the brink and into insanity.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:12 p.m. CST

    "Replace Incest with walkie talkies"

    by Bob Cryptonight

    Classic!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Spielberg's twist:

    by Bob Cryptonight

    When the guy finds out he's been fucking his daughter, he gets more turned on than before, keeps the news a secret from the daughter and they live happily ever after!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Garbageman33

    by HoboCode

    I guess you didn't see the numerous photos of the VT shooter that he took of himself reenacting scenes from Oldboy before his big day.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:21 p.m. CST

    I mean... at the end of the day...

    by mefrog

    Who cares when Avatar is just fucking our eyeballs to hell in 2009?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:23 p.m. CST

    most excellent ninja

    by Rupee88

    you have me confused with someone else as I don't care enough about Batman to have a strong opinion about his costume. TDK was overrated, but a decent movie. Oldboy is just contrived, genre overkill, empty and worthless...just unwatchable.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Guy Gaduois

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    Thats what I was getting at with Smith, or Wilson, or anyone like that. Dae Su is a bumbling, loveable everyman who turns into a rock hard monster, only to have all that broken down with a horrible revelation. Casting Willis, Crowe, etc etc, is retarded.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Avatar

    by HoboCode

    Sure to be the biggest let down since TPM and KOTCS.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST

    I thought it was all KFMDM's fault

    by Aquatarkusman

    no, really

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Harry that is a GREAT IDEA!!

    by Duty

    Will & James would kick Oldboy's ass!! I love Oldboy and if they are going to do this then what Harry said should go green!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST

    saw this at BNAT

    by Grendy

    ...and holy crap!... we all went WHAAA did we just see?!? This was some good shit, even if you'd been up like 463 hours. I have an OLDBOY poster,(the one w/ the AICN quote, no less) and love it. A fellow BNAT-er gave me Lady Vengeance as a thank you. Chan Wook Park's films are NOT for Americanization. There are sensibilities to them that are very different from you and me in America, and they should stay that way. I mean that the weirdness of it would seem, in someone else's hands...to be a bunch of Cronenberg-esque shit.After Smith's phoned-in turn in Hancock... I don't want to see him screw the pooch on this one. And Spielberg... REALLY?!? You have to go after this property? How about doing oh, just about ANYTHING else but this? Stick to TinTin. I want to see that.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:31 p.m. CST

    And...

    by Grendy

    ...my favorite shot in OLDBOY is that medium-shot HAMMER walk-thru on those bad guys. JEEBUS... That...and the Dentistry Via Hammer (C) !!! Makes EVERYONE squirm. Done in America, it would look all jump cut-y and like someone overused the jog-dial in the editing bay. It would look like Brotherhood of the Wolf.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:32 p.m. CST

    This blows

    by crazybubba

    and anyone who defends this remake is an idiot. I fucking hate Hollywood. If your a superstar in this industry you can screw up any movie you want as long as it makes money. It doesn't matter how talented Spielberg and Smith are, if they intend to stay true to the movie then its out of their range. Just because your great at something doesn't mean you are great at everything even within your own area of expertise. Will Smith cannot do grim, period!!! He always comes off as if he's trying to hard. He's a happy-go-lucky guy and thats fine. Spielberg has dabbled with dark films and done fine, but their are directors like Scorsese out there who are better at it.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST

    *

    by crazybubba

    your--you're their--there

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST

    don't get me wrong

    by Vern

    It's a bizarre development. I'm just saying for a couple years they've been planning a straight remake by Justin Lin starring Nic Cage. OF COURSE that would've been either terrible or a limp re-enactment of the original. If Spielberg really is directing it I have no idea what it will be, except that it has a much better shot of being good or great. And most likely will be a completely different spin on the story.<p> But I'd rather see him make 3 more Indiana Jones movies because I'm sure you weiners would have alot of worthwhile insights into why using CGI in that one part is on par with genocide.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    OLDBOY was great yes...but who says a hollywood remake wont be c

    by FleshMachine

    could be a really cool films...or crap. to speculate one way or the other just at the concept is silly. it aint casablanca (which btw COULD be remade well if done right).

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Vern, I'd rather have Justin Lin on board.

    by JimCurry

    I'm not even kidding... This material and Spielberg just don't go together. If he wants to do a gritty revenge film, fine - but call it something else...

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Could be a good film . . .

    by follyway

    Just hard to imagine it would be. Even harder to imagine is why? I can see Will Smith pulling this off. Say what you want to about I Am Legend, but he was very solid. As an actor I think hes willing to push himself, hes said multiple times the biggest regret of his career is not going further with Six Degrees with showing the homosexual stuff. I can see him pulling this charachter off. The strange part is why? Millions of people will go to this expecting Hancock and leave freaked out. It certainly doesnt seem to make buisiness sense. Then I think, yeah but cruise went and made Eyes Wide Shut and Magnolia which certainly pushed some buttons. So, we do have an example of a huge movie star taking risks with "good taste" and retaining most of his cache. But then the really weird part is Speilberg. Tom Cruise was given a pass because he was working with Kubrick and PTA not the director of Jaws. Speilberg even more than smith is a brand name. Yes he has made some great films, and some like Munich or Schindler can be very dark. He has never been subversive. The director of this film needs to be someone who has no empathy for this charater and that is one thing I dont think are among Speilbergs many gifts. Who knows maybe Im wrong, but this is ver weird.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Can you point out the specific scene

    by Garbageman33

    Where Oh Dae Su shot up a school? I must have seen a different cut. Who knows, maybe he was inspired by the movie. I'm just saying it's not a real clear connection and for anyone to blame his horrific act on the film is pretty stupid.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:48 p.m. CST

    I'd rather have McDLT direct this than Spielberg

    by Spacesheik

    At least we'll get good action choreopgraphy and climaxes not interrupted by flashes of lovemaking a la MUNICH or Shia Le Chuck getting hit in the nuts by shrubbery.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Fine Garbage.

    by HoboCode

    Oldboy didn't cause the VT massacre. It's just the preferred choice of movie for murderous sociopaths. Better?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Why Don't They

    by landocolt45

    Just re-release the original 1st before the remake to show everyone how it should be and then they would have to stick to the origianl story line and not fuck it up.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 2:14 p.m. CST

    What? it's still cool (or anti cool?) to hate Will Smith?

    by u.k. star

    Seriously don't get the "fanboy" reaction to the worlds biggest box office draw. I thought it had, grudgingly, been accepted now that he's a pretty decent actor. There a million ways to mess up this film, and a small number to get it right. Why assume that it's gonna be done wrong? More to the point if it is going to be messed up why assume Spielberg and / or Smith are gonna wreck it. The cuts, watering down (IF there is any) will come from the studio / money men. In fact the best hope for the fime reaching a LARGE audience intact is the 2 guys being complained about. Hell, if you can't get an audience to watch a SPielberg directed Will Smith starring, movie then you will never get it to a bigger audience. That's the problem, people not watching Oldboy just because it isn't in English, let alone because of how disturbing it is. more people watched "The Departed" than infernal affairs (prob 1,2 & 3). That was a good film, I'm sure there are those who'd actually try to argue for it above the original. (Not me, I own both but prefer the "grander" arc of infernal affairs 1 & 2, even 3 was good but not the same level I thought. I'm sure we all have our ideas of who we think might best do this, if it must be done, but I honestly have no reason to assume this version can't work. Ridley Scott and Denzel. David Fincher & someone totally unexpected... Robert Downey jnr or Christopher Ecclestone or Tom Hanks. How weird would Tom hanks be in that role? (get Vinnie Jones some work!! :) Seriously though, hating the successful guy who actually HAS talent is getting old isn't it? I mean it's not like the days when Tom Cruise was number 1 guy even though he usually couldn't out act a 2 year old is it? (Yes Tom is a much better actor now I know. (Not hard, but fair's fair.)

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Manga vs. Original vs. Spielberg's

    by #1 Zero

    The Manga was much different than the movie. I've heard the original movie version is a more "Stir fried" version of the Manga. The manga is pretty straightforward. No real kink to it. Spielberg could base it more on the comic book. But really I think Spielberg's will be a movie more based on the jumping off point, "man imprisoned for 15 years for no reason seeks his imprisoner". There's a lot of ways you can go with just that alone. Ultimately I think they will be two way different things. Also if anyone knows where harry's commentary track can be found on the dvd let me know. I have the original release and the special tin box edition but I don't remember a harry commentary track on either.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    OH NOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Damien Chowder

    We are going to have to put up with fresh prince crying and crap. Lohan for the daughter cos race doesn't matter in hollywood. It's ok to turn white characters black so no double standards please.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3 p.m. CST

    Doesn't matter

    by Bricktops hammer

    I've decided to not care about this film because the original is a perfect film in my opinion. Whether it's great or sucks I can always go back and watch amovie that should have been left alone

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3 p.m. CST

    Please don't happen

    by Beezbo

    It is getting to the point where you can't even think of a joke project (Britney Spears in "Sophie's Choice"! Ryan Seacrest in "The Godfather"!)that isn't somehow plausible. I have already vowed to never again see a Will Smith movie after "I Am Legend".

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST

    REMEMBER THAT MOVIE INDIANA JONES IV?!

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Uhhhhh yeah. Spielberg GO THE FUCK AWAY YOU STUPID TWAT. I'm done with you. And I swear to Christ I shall never see a film of yours in the theater again.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:01 p.m. CST

    I Am Legend

    by u.k. star

    "I have already vowed to never again see a Will Smith movie after "I Am Legend"." Why? Seriously explain what Will Smith did so badly in that film that would put you off seing ANY film with him in it again? I'll point out that I 1st read I am Legend back in 1985, when I was 13, and have happily convinced many people to read it since. As to the guy that thinks thinks the daughter should be white as "cos race doesn't matter in hollywood", that's an assanine statement, juvinille, or naive at best. Although there are many ways that a black person can have a child that appears extremely white. There are mixed race twins / siblings where one is "white" in appearance and another mixed race or black in appearance. Of course that's not what you meant so to answer that point: changing the colour of "white" characters to redress a historical imbalance, wherin more "white" characters were created as they 2sold" better, or would stand a chance of being published / filmed at all is no big deal is it really? many characters had their sex or colour changed simply to get made at all. Who knows what sex, or colour many established characters would have been if they'd been created in a more "liberal" media? You wanna worry about race in hollywood? how about their "any Asian will do" approach to to casting Oriental characters. You need aa Japenese character, hire a Korean. Or worse yet, need some kind of Arab, turk guy. hire a Spaniard, they're almost dark enough right? Bigger problems out there my friend. the "Sam Jackson" Nick Fury rules, by the way! Even Wolverine & the X men has a slightly modded version of him.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Hehe, this is kinda funny...

    by m_reporter

    ... You guys are acting like Spielberg will destroy every copy of Oldboy and enforce his film on the audience as the only and original film. If he does go all the way with this project then all it can do is attract more people to the original. Nothing bad in that.<p> And anyone who says they'd rather have some hack direct a straight remake, than having Spielberg try to put a different spin on the story (which he surely will), have a screw or two loose in their heads.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:30 p.m. CST

    People liked Oldboy....

    by m_prevette

    ....really? I don't just mean fanboys, I mean people who really understand film and narrative. Wow...this and The Host are probably two of the most over-rated steaming piles I've seen. It's easy to see WHY it has a fanboy following, but as some rational posted above, the film stated out well but falls apart quickly, being an exercise more in style and mood than anything else. Then again some folks think John Woo actually has made some good movies, so go figure.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:30 p.m. CST

    The only way to make this work ...

    by DeadPanWalking

    ... is to take it even further than the original. Instead of fucking his daughter we find out he was a closeted family man and ends up fucking his also gay son. Instead of eating octopus at a diner, the first place he visits is a pet shop. Hamster? Snake? Both? Lots of directions to go there. Instead of fighting with a hammer it's a length of razor wire or maybe hatchet. In this version of the movie the main character should have no problem (ahem) completing his masturbatory television watching and this should be graphically obvious to the captors watching through the glass walls as well as to the audience. The incest gay sex scenes should be non-simulated and Big Willy should be the bottom. Now THIS would be a remake of Oldboy that would raise a few eyebrows in ol' Hollywood and get Spielberg and Will Smill the attention they deserve!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Jesus Jumping Catfish

    by shellfishh

    Yes it will suck. So quit complaining and just watch "Oldboy" instead. A new movie coming out doesn't blank all the DVD's of previous incarnations.<br><br> And no one better dis "1941" again. LOVE that movie.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Hmmmm....

    by shellfishh

    M_Reporter stole my comments, jumped in a time machine and posted them before me. Bastard.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Is it me...

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    ... or does anyone else think Oldboy sucks? Of all the projects they could be working on they pick rehashing that piece of shit?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST

    I'll admit

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    The hammer scene is kickass.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Mr. Dickblood

    by Vern

    You're telling me you hate the director of MUNICH? You don't like what he did with Indiana Jones so suddenly he's Uwe Bolle. Can't you at least acknowledge that because of your attachment to Raiders of the Lost Ark you are very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very sensitive and hard to please in the area of Indiana Jones sequels, and it might have had a little more to do with that than with his skills as a director? You're really giving up on a guy who has delivered great movie after great movie for 30 years? CGI gophers are that upsetting to you? Damn, hopefully next time he'll spring for puppets.<p> Sometimes Danny I think you put shame upon your proud Dickblood lineage and the Dickblood family shield.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 5:45 p.m. CST

    no, i can't see a way this can work

    by blonde redhead

    especially with will smith. it's okay for you to come right out and say that you think this is a suck idea, harry. we will still love you and you have more than enough clout to not give a shit what the suits think anyhow.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Well said Vern

    by u.k. star

    Spielberg has made some of the most entertaining films of the past 30 years AD some of the best films of the past 30 years. Sometimes he manages both at the same time. ( you know what I mean). The fact that he has made a relatively tiny number of average films, and a smaller number still due to his direction should not earn him such disrespect. As for Will Smith. As I said earlier, apparently, it's still cool not to like him in places like this, as oppossed to the large number of people who like him as an actor and / or a personalatiy (velebraty). But of course they are all mindless idiotic sheep right? If the guy can't convince you he has talent after Ali & Pursuit, and even I am Legend, (Which I acknowledge SOME people don't like as a movie, even though I find trouble seeing how Smith's performance in that film makes them feel that way?), then he's never going to. The question is how much of that is down to the indiviuals watching more than his performance. A lot I'd say.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST

    The reason why people hate will smith..

    by emeraldboy

    is that he loves himslef far far too much. and he is a cruise bot.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Vern, what if we simply don't want a remake?

    by blonde redhead

    what about those of us who respect your opinion, but think that remakes (on the whole) are a part of the cancer that has been destroying filmmaking in this country for a while now? <br><br> i hope you aren't saying that remakes > original ideas and storytelling. i *know* you aren't, but that's almost the way you come across here.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Infernal Affairs vs The Departed. Class vs American cheese

    by Damien Chowder

    By the way I hear that American cheese is crap. <p> Scorcese is one of my favourite directors and in many ways superior to Spielberg. Look at The Departed... it treated the audience like slack jawed yokels and had a 100% inferior ending. So what makes people think that Spielberg is gonna surprise us? Well he did already... Will Smith. <p> I like Willy Smitt but he isn't universal. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if he gets to play Abe Lincoln one day. Will Smith is a damn fine actor if you want popcorn blockbusters but not Oldboy... Anything that requires brain is a no no. It's where Jim Carey started going down.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:08 p.m. CST

    American cheese is crap but...

    by m_reporter

    ... but in my opinion The Departed is a way superior film than Infernal Affairs. Not saying that Affairs sucks or anything...

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 7:08 p.m. CST

    And yes, I am known for my time-travel abilities...

    by m_reporter

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Harry..

    by The Dark Shite

    You weren't the first western critic to see Oldboy. I was. Just saying.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 8:45 p.m. CST

    But..

    by The Dark Shite

    You're right.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:03 p.m. CST

    The fact of the matter is Infernal affairs wasn't that good a mo

    by The_Squid

    It's pretty cheesy in some spots and the story is less believeable. Andy Lau acted like too big a pussy to survive that long as a mafia informant. Evil Matt Damon was better. They're both cheesy, but I like the departed's goofiness more.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    LAME

    by picardsucks

    Oldboy is on blu-ray by the way If they did do this the only Western director who could possibly pull it off is taking a dirt nap anyway. Kubrick could have made a really twisted version. Maybe Tarentino for a slightly warped campy version but Speilberg and Smith??? Oh god no!!!!!!!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Or

    by picardsucks

    They could ask the director and writer of Oldboy, Chan- Wook Park, to helm a sanitized Western version. I had heard he was being prepped to make a hollywood film anyway. He also made the fucking excellent Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance and Sympathy for Lady Vengeance. If you have not seen them I suggest you watch them. Both are as twisted and every bit as genius as Oldboy

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    And

    by picardsucks

    This would free up Spielberg to remake Kingdom of the Crystal Skull which needs to be remade by him sans Lucas infinately more than Oldboy

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Munich sucked

    by Series7

    It was just all sorts of terrible. Why does James Bond get away with playing Jewish people in all of his non Bond movies? Now maybe because I had just seen Schindler's List for the first time like a month before i saw Munich, and i have seen One Day In September that my opinion was a little biased toward expecting something remotely as good as those two movies. It just felt way too Edward Zwick (minus the stolen scene from Rambo and the ending from Happy Feet like the Dimond movie). <P> That being said, I agree with Harry, make William Smith as the bad guy (ala Denzel style, LOOK I CAN DO BAD GUYS TOO!) and Thomas Jane as the main guy. But if you can't get Thomas Jane PLEASE PLEASE! don't settle for that cheap Thomas Jane lookalike, Aaron Eckhart.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Oh also about Munich.

    by Series7

    Australian called and they wanted to let you know that Eric Bana was suppose to be the next Paul Hogan not the king of drama.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Hard to mess up

    by DonRivella

    Oldboy is reasonably entertaining, but at the same time one of the stupidest movies ever made. It would be very hard to come up with a plot that is less probable (people have tried - see 'haute tension'). Maybe I am just overly sensitive to the hypnosis gimmick, which is about as exiting as 'it was all a dream'.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Chan-Wook Park, remake JAWS

    by BrandLoyalist

    That'll learn 'em

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Like

    by Series7

    Didn't anyone realize anything with the remake of Psycho? <P> Also Chan Wook park would make an awesome Jaws!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Gary Oldman, Daniel Day Lewis maybe even Russel Crowe

    by TheDark0Knight

    the only guys that could pull it off.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 12:04 a.m. CST

    I'm sorry, but Oldboy is overrated and trite.

    by rbatty024

    It's one of those films that stares at its audiences and screams, "look at me, I'm being all philosophical and stuff." I guess it's probably the kind of thing I would have come up with when I was fourteen. Then I grew up.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 1:19 a.m. CST

    oh, Hell No!

    by darwinmayflower

    Oldboy is magnificent. even though I love Speilberg and Smith, I will boycott on principal.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Redhead

    by Vern

    Yeah, that's legit, but I don't know man. Of course there are too many remakes, of course there is not enough imagination in Hollywood, but also to blame everything on remakes is just as lacking in imagination. So every other day we have another remake announced and every other day we go through the same discussion:<p> Remakes suck! Fuck remakes! Has there ever been a good remake? Yes there has! Like what? Well, The Thing! But The Thing isn't really a remake, it's an adaptation of the same short story! No, it's a remake! You are a moron! No, you are a faggot! You are a moron! The Ring was pretty good I thought. Fuck you! I don't know about you guys but personally I hate remakes! Yeah me too well said dude! Fuck all this fucking fuck and balls! What about Maltese Falcon? DIdn't anyone learn anything from Psycho? Well, to be fair Psycho was more of a pop art kind of experiment it wasn't trying to do the same thing as other remakes. Fuck you Vern you are a retard for saying that. no seriously Maltese Falcon was a remake. i don't know what that movie is but if its a remake i fart on it. Well Dawn of the Dead was a pretty good remake. No it wasn't. yes it was. I hate fast zombies. fuck you. it was more of a reboot than a remake. etc.<p> I'm not saying nothing is sacred, and the Michael Bay remakes continue to piss me off. But remakes CAN be good. Yes, a truly original movie is the greatest but also a well executed spin on an old story can be great. There are many ways to tell stories and make movies. Since this is not some hack, not a guy who has done remakes and not somebody who needs a pre-existing title in order to make money, most of the usual worries don't apply. If you love the movie and don't want to see it remade then that's legitimate though, I understand that.<p> But look, THE DEPARTED is a good example. I can understand some people liking INFERNAL AFFAIRS better. But then there are people who pretend THE DEPARTED is some generic Hollywood garbage because they saw the Hong Kong version. At that point how are we supposed to have a serious discussion? If you want to show off that bad just wear a sequined cape or something.<p> In conclusion, FUCK THIS REMAKE, I bet it will be good though. Actually I doubt it will be made but Spielberg probaly should do a movie with Will Smith and get it over with. sorry for abrasiveness

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Who cares about remakes????

    by Bob Cryptonight

    Look, HAMLET gets remade ALL THE TIME (often quite badly, too)! So does THE MUSIC MAN, for that matter. They do it on the stage thousands and thousands of times, with little-known directors in small cities giving a different take to the story or staging, etc. So why can't Hollywood remake JAWS sixteen times if they want to? If you think a remake somehow HARMS the original...well then, I guess we know who has the problem. If Tim Burton wants to remake CITIZEN KANE, so what? I just don't get all this angst over remaking a movie.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 2:31 a.m. CST

    fuck this and fuck balls, there are way too many

    by crazybubba

    remakes being made and the a-hole's making need to get their shit together. By the way i've got a great script i've written for will smith. Spielberg call me.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 3:46 a.m. CST

    "remakes" are almost as old as hollywood

    by u.k. star

    They've been "remaking" or "retelling" or "reimagining" books, plays, comics and movies for almost as long as they have been making movies. remake with sound, remake with colour, someetimes better, sometimes worse, sometimes just different. Shakespear shouldn't have had one of his plays performed for how many centuries now? let alone made / remade as films? That hack Kurosawa! How dare he make "Ran". That said "A Fist Full of Dollars" and "The Magnificent 7" should never have been made. Staying on Kurosawa how about Star wars, (a stretch but very tenuously a "reimagining" of "The Hidden Fortress". The hating remaakes game is a dangerous one to play as some of the best movies of all time are remakes of some form or other, and it is the right of any artists to want to put their spin on a "good" story. Every actor wants to be a goood "King Lear", or "Macbeth". (O.k not literally EVERY actor, but you know what I mean. OH and emeraldboy... I think that's why YOU hate Will Smith, evidence suggests that most people actually like him a lot. The money a mess like Hancock (good idea either edited / cut to death or ruined some other way. Almost any other actor and that movie makes sub $100m US and sub $200 worldwide. He isn't the best acyor out there, but you insult him, and films like Ali & Pursuit by saying his only capable of no brain movies. Utter, unproven, nonsense.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 3:52 a.m. CST

    its amazing to me how many here are ignorant..

    by emeraldboy

    about hollywood history. People bash remakes but as uk star rightly points out hollywood has been remaking films since its inception.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Romeo and Juliet...

    by emeraldboy

    is based on a poem by a latin poet.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Here's a new trend for remakes...

    by pokadoo

    ...why not get edgy and inovative foreign/indie directors to remake shit hollywood blockbusters into interesting, watchable films with good scripts & actors.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 5:59 a.m. CST

    I don't think Hollywood has the balls to do it right.

    by Mr Nicholas

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Vern, how the fuck would you feel

    by irritable

    ... if Mike Nichols decided to remake "Exit Wounds" with Edward Norton.<p> You'd be troubled, right?<p>

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Could be the end all be all role for Smith

    by alienindisguise

    I actually have more hope that Will Smith could do something with the role moreso than Spielberg directing it. Drop Spielberg and I'm interested.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Wild Wild West Part Duex...

    by Supermans

    This sounds like total utter crap..

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST

    irritable

    by Vern

    Well, I don't know about the Mike Nichols part, but I'm sure it would be more faithful to the book.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Defend derivation, not remakes. re: remakes are almost as...

    by Larry Sellers

    Everything is derivative. What people bitch and moan about here is the last 5-7 years of film remakes, requels, rewhatevers that have dominated the work of potentially creative filmmakers, studios that only want to cash in on films that have already been made in much higher quality. Don't go off on the books, TV shows, etc. In one way or another, everything is derived from the idea of something else but that is not the same as taking a title and premise from a previously made film and making it again for the sake of "updating it for a 'modern audience'", "bringing the story to western audiences", what have you. Here comes another diluted American adaptation of a FINE fucking film that left me feeling kinda dirty and sad after it ended. Spielberg? Really? This is more like Todd Solondz territory. I fucking dare Spielberg to recreate that fight sequence and not get shit on. Just retitle it and say "inspired by the original film..." and it won't have so much to live up to. This film might even be good in its own right if they go that route.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    despite what I said about how some dont like will smith..

    by emeraldboy

    I have huge respect for will smith. as it happens. I dont agree with his beliefs. not at all. In fact I was reading about his beliefs in a book which should you all get. its called the complex. and its by nicola tallant and a former member of Cruise and Smith so called church. who joined it in 1965 and left it in 2007. Scary stuff. The scary stuff is how they have a para-military wing. Anyhow back to smith. Summertime is one of the greatest rap songs of all time. Smith has made more money than all those gangster rappers combined. Will smith is a genius. He used his rap skills to launch his tv career. Which ran for 7 years. He had the smarts to end his career on tv with an episode where he ends up going to hollywood. The final episode of the fresh prince was as joyous a piece of tv. as you can get. as far i can recall the whole crew did the conga, leaving the set and out of the studio. Smith knows that real colour of hollywood is green. but he has never forgotten that he is actor. He is very talented. Rent six degrees of seperation. He had to play a liar and conman and he was great. His success his simple. He is an optimistic and positive american and he exudes this in interviews. People like will smith. and finally he was brought to respect his elders and his grandmother was strict with him. He went to church on sundays. I like will smith. and I respect him.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    I'm down with remakes dudes but then there are

    by Damien Chowder

    some that simply cannot be touched. And for people that thought Infernal Affairs was "meh" and such, yeah yous are right but the idea was great. I'm not pretending that The Departed is some generic hollywood bollox, it's fact. I really feel sorry for Scorcese for finally winning an Oscar for his worst film to date. If I was Scorcese I wouldn't have attended. It was a pity Oscar swat it was. <p> Simply put Western Oldboy will be too toned down and at best a film rated 15.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    OLDBOY + H'wood remake treatment= Shit

    by Violator90

    OLDBOY is one of those movies that my friends have been telling me for some years to check and that its just one of those films that grabs you by the ball and squeezes while telling you "whose your daddy bitch!" I've seen some of it and even know most of the parts, and DAMN! if I didn't bust my ass trying to find it. Now Whorewood wants to remake yet ANOTHER movie that CANNOT be duplicate in any way, shape or form. Like some have mentioned, call it something else and tag it "...inspired by the filme OLDBOY..." then you can do what you want, but a fucking remake?!?! Look at the fucking track record of remakes/rehash/reimagined/refucked movies that came out!! They SUCK PIG ASS! And NONE comes close to the dark subject that OLDBOY deals with. There is absolutely no fucking way that OLDBOY can be rewhatever, in WHOREWOOD, with the same dark subject matter! Plus Speilberg has sucked for years, and for him to EVEN think of directing this movie is ridiculous! OLDBOY is just way to dark and twisted for him. There are other directors that have more grit and a fucked up mind to actually TRY to pull this off--but not Stevie! What is the darkest subject that Stevie has ever done? The Holocaust, slavery; those are some dark subject but is it even close to the crazy shit in OLDBOY? And Will Smith has too much of "clean" image. I really can’t see Will doing some of the things that are in OLDBOY. But the biggest thing that really makes OLDBOY just untouchable is that America is just too conditioned to water-down dark subjects. There is NO WAY even half of what is in OLDBOY would actually be make it for the general audience to see. Fuck this! I’m sticking to the original, just like BATTLE ROYALE can’t every be done as well. WHOREWOOD! STOP WITH THE FOREIGN MOVIE REHASHING!!

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Funniest thing is we know nothing...

    by u.k. star

    A few people have mentioned the film having a different title ( I believe The Departed is not Infernal affairs?) and then it's easier to be "inspired" by. I'd like to know why we all KNOW that aint gonna happen anyway. How we know it's meant to be some direct English language translation of the "oldboy" script instead of a new version of a film where a guy gets locked up for years and released to find out why. We don't, so why complain? Remember Ran, The Magnificent 7, A Fistfull of Dollars, Ben Hur (3rd version!), Maltese Falcon (3rd version .ta Vern), pick a version of Romeo & Juliet you like (Baz's was brave) hell even argue for Dark Knight / Batman begins. As with almost all things in life, it matters if something is done well, pure and simple. I find it quite incomprehensible that there are people oout there that prefer Willy Wonka to Burton's Charlie and the chocolate factory. As a kid who loved the book I found Burton's version far more faithfull, and thus to ME a better film. I also found other aspects far superior, but there are plenty who think the "original" version is far better. ( a disturbing number of them never read the book I find.) Anyway, why not wait and see how it turns out eh?

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Film is an evolutionary process...

    by emeraldboy

    All countries contributed something to the filmmaking process at the start. America created hollywood. Hollywood ignored the rest of the world in terms of cinematic output. actors, directors and writers come to hollywood to escape the narrow confines of their own countries filmmaking process. hollywood, for better or worse is where it happens. nobody in hollywood has possibly ever seen oldboy. america is america. Hollywood knows that americans couldnt really give a shit about a korean film about a man who has spent a long time being impriosend and taking revenge. hollywood also understands that americans are ignorant about korean films(the host is being remade). How many americans have seen oldboy. apart from the people on this site. not many. so Speilberg comes along and says that he and will smith are remaking oldboy. I am a huge fan of roald dhal and I loved Charlie and the choclate factory. Why is it such a heretical thing to remake a film that few have seen. its like music. Remakes is the wrong word. recycling is a far better word. MOrdern artists redoing old songs. maybe heresy to some. however. these artists are bringing old songs to new generation. so the logic goes. some directors like the berg have grown up on foreign films. and have used them in thier movies to those filmmakers those foreign are very influential. US audiences are not going to know about those influences and will have never heard of oldboy.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Oh Christ

    by Raphman

    I can't wait any longer, I must destroy Hollywood now.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 7:42 p.m. CST

    NO, FUCK NO! WILL SMITH CANNOT BE...

    by Leafar the Lost

    ...ALLOWED ANYWHERE NEAR THE SET OF THE AMERICAN REMAKE OF OLDBOY!! I know that Hollywood cannot have an original idea, so they have to steal from other countries. I get that, and sometimes it works. The Office, for example, has been a good remake. That is the only example I can think off. For Oldboy, which is a masterpiece, Will Smith cannot be allowed to take on this role. He would ruin it. I would rather have Tommy Cruise in the role. Actually, that is not a bad idea...

  • Nov. 9, 2008, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Wow

    by geek molester

    Holy shit this sounds like an abortion. I pray that they change their mind.

  • Nov. 9, 2008, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Vern, "Exit Wounds" was based on a book?

    by irritable

    I guess I assumed that His Steveness was just making it up as he went along.<p>

  • Nov. 9, 2008, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Hollywood is the filmmaking arm of the US govt.

    by emeraldboy

    kind of. Hollywood goes along with nonsense. that outside america, there is no rest of world. That films that come from the rest of the world are inferior. so films get remade by american studios, hopefully they believe that it will be a better film. no one inside the us has seen oldboy and are too dumb to notice the difference. so goes their logic.

  • Nov. 9, 2008, 5:57 a.m. CST

    and a very good example of this...

    by emeraldboy

    Life is beautiful. by roberto beninni. was remade by robin williams. and its called Jackob the liar.

  • Nov. 9, 2008, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Emeralboy

    by Series7

    Jakob the Liar is a remake of a 1975 movie Jakob, der Lügner both are witch are based on the book. IMDB, its not that hard.

  • Nov. 10, 2008, 1:24 a.m. CST

    The Berg and Smith have the talent....

    by The Amazing G

    but the question is whether or not they'll have the balls, like everyone else has already said the material seems too dark for either of them, but maybe that's the point, maybe they WANT to push the envelope of their respective careers and if that's the case then fine, but The Berg will have to use his power to prevent the studio heads from making changes (as THEY would undoubtedly want to do)

  • Nov. 10, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Mickey Rourke of Oldboy

    by subsisty

    You just KNOW it's the ideal choice... prove me wrong. And if he gets casted, give me lots of money. Please?