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Joss Whedon’s first new TV series since 2003, “Dollhouse,” originally to share Monday nights with “24” starting at midseason, will now air Fridays, where (unless I’m forgetting something) Fox hasn’t been able to launch a successful sci-fi series since 1993's “The X-Files.” Fridays is where Fox scheduled Whedon’s “Firefly,” which was extinguished after half of one low-rated season. The "Dollhouse" premiere date is Friday the 13th. Also moving to Fridays is Fox’s “Terminator,” whose ratings have plummeted since last season. “Terminator” gets the 8 p.m. slot; “Dollhouse” gets 9 p.m. Sci-fi shows cancelled in Fox’s Friday Death Slot: The Adventures of Brisco County Jr. (1993) MANTIS (1994) Strange Luck (1995) VR.5 (1995) Sliders (1996) Millennium (1996) The Visitor (1997) Harsh Realm (1999) Freakylinks (2000) Dark Angel (2000) The Lone Gunmen (2001) John Doe (2003) Firefly (2003) Look! Press release!
FOX ANNOUNCES 2008-2009 MIDSEASON SCHEDULE "24" IS BACK WITH A VENGEANCE WITH TWO-NIGHT, FOUR-HOUR EVENT SUNDAY, JAN. 11 AND MONDAY, JAN. 12 "AMERICAN IDOL" RETURNS WITH TWO-NIGHT, FOUR-HOUR PREMIERE TUESDAY, JAN. 13 AND WEDNESDAY, JAN. 14 INTRIGUING NEW DRAMA "LIE TO ME" DEBUTS WEDNESDAY, JAN. 21 JOSS WHEDON'S HIGHLY ANTICIPATED ACTION-THRILLER "DOLLHOUSE" LAUNCHES FRIDAY, FEB. 13 GORDON RAMSAY'S "HELL'S KITCHEN" STARTS COOKING THURSDAY, JAN. 29 HOUSE Shifts To Mondays Starting Jan. 19; BONES Moves To Thursdays Jan. 15; TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES Travels To Fridays Feb. 13; HOLE IN THE WALL Finds Its Fit on Sundays Beginning Jan. 18 The wait is almost over as FOX announces premiere dates of new and returning series as well as revisions to its 2008-2009 midseason schedule. January starts with the not-to-be-missed blockbuster premieres of 24 and AMERICAN IDOL. As previously announced, the non-stop action begins and a new day dawns for JACK BAUER (Kiefer Sutherland) when 24 returns with an explosive two-night, four-hour season premiere Sunday, Jan. 11 and Monday, Jan. 12 (8:00-10:00 PM ET/PT). AMERICAN IDOL, television's No. 1 show, returns for Season Eight with a two-night, four-hour premiere event Tuesday, Jan. 13 and Wednesday, Jan. 14 (8:00-10:00 PM ET/PT). All-new episodes of HOUSE, BONES, TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES and HOLE IN THE WALL will air on new nights in midseason. Get real on Mondays with all-new episodes of HOUSE leading into real-time drama 24. Emmy-winning medical drama HOUSE moves to Mondays (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) and has its time period premiere Jan. 19 followed by the time period premiere of 24 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT). FRINGE, the No. 1 new series of the season among Adults 18-49, will air in its regular time period Tuesdays (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) after AMERICAN IDOL starting Jan. 20. LIE TO ME, the compelling new drama from the producers of 24, debuts Wednesday, Jan. 21 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) after AMERICAN IDOL and stars Tim Roth ("The Incredible Hulk," "Reservoir Dogs") as DR. CAL LIGHTMAN, the world's leading deception expert who studies facial expressions and involuntary body language to discover not only if someone is lying, but why. When someone shrugs one shoulder, rotates a hand or raises the lower lip, Lightman knows he's lying. Based on the real-life scientific discoveries of Paul Ekman, the series follows Lightman and his team of deception experts as they assist law enforcement and government agencies to expose the truth behind the lies. BOOTH (David Boreanaz), BRENNAN (Emily Deschanel) and the Jeffersonian team will continue to dig up more murders when BONES moves to Thursdays (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) beginning Jan. 15 followed by more all-new episodes of KITCHEN NIGHTMARES (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT). On Thursday, Jan. 29 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT), Chef Gordon Ramsay steps into another kitchen to serve up a fifth course of HELL'S KITCHEN, the unscripted series that puts wannabe restaurateurs through a rigorous one-of-a-kind culinary boot camp. On Friday, Feb. 13, FOX presents a thrilling new action-packed lineup featuring the return and time period premiere of TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) and the highly anticipated series premiere of Joss Whedon's DOLLHOUSE (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT). DOLLHOUSE reunites Whedon with Eliza Dushku ("Buffy the Vampire Slayer"), who stars as a member of a highly illegal underground group of individuals who have had their personalities wiped clean so they can be imprinted with any number of new personas. Saturday staples COPS (8:00-8:30 and 8:30-9:00 PM ET/PT) and AMERICA'S MOST WANTED: AMERICA FIGHTS BACK (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) continue in their regular time periods with all-new episodes. MADtv (11:00 PM-Midnight ET/PT) and TALKSHOW WITH SPIKE FERESTEN (Midnight-12:30 AM ET/PT) continue their late-night laughs with a mix of encore and original episodes. Sundays find the right fit with the time period premieres of back-to-back episodes of HOLE IN THE WALL (7:00-7:30 and 7:30-8:00 PM ET/PT) beginning Jan. 18. Following HOLE IN THE WALL, Animation Domination continues with a mixture of encore and all-new episodes of THE SIMPSONS (8:00-8:30 PM ET/PT), KING OF THE HILL (8:30-9:00 PM ET/PT), FAMILY GUY (9:00-9:30 PM ET/PT) and AMERICAN DAD (9:30-10:00 PM ET/PT). RECAP FOX MIDSEASON SCHEDULE (All times ET/PT except as noted) MONDAY Monday, Jan. 5: 7:30 PM-CC ET TOSTITOS FIESTA BOWL (LIVE) Monday, Jan. 12: 8:00-10:00 PM 24 (Season Premiere, Part 2) Mondays, beginning Jan. 19: 8:00-9:00 PM HOUSE (Time Period Premiere) 9:00-10:00 PM 24 (Time Period Premiere) **************************** TUESDAY Tuesday, Jan. 13: 8:00-10:00 PM AMERICAN IDOL (Season Premiere, Part 1) Tuesdays, beginning Jan. 20: 8:00-9:00 PM AMERICAN IDOL (Time Period Premiere) 9:00-10:00 PM FRINGE **************************** WEDNESDAY Wednesday, Jan. 14: 8:00-10:00 PM AMERICAN IDOL (Season Premiere, Part 2) Wednesdays, beginning Jan. 21: 8:00-9:00 PM AMERICAN IDOL (Time Period Premiere) 9:00-10:00 PM LIE TO ME (Series Premiere) *************************** THURSDAY Thursday, Jan. 1: 7:30 PM-CC ET FEDEX ORANGE BOWL (LIVE) Thursday, Jan. 8: 7:30 PM-CC ET FEDEX BCS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME (LIVE) Thursdays, beginning Jan. 15: 8:00-9:00 PM BONES (Time Period Premiere) 9:00-10:00 PM KITCHEN NIGHTMARES Thursdays, beginning Jan. 29: 8:00-9:00 PM BONES 9:00-10:00 PM HELL'S KITCHEN (Season Premiere) *************************** FRIDAY Friday, Jan. 2: 7:30 PM-CC ET ALLSTATE SUGAR BOWL (LIVE) Friday, Jan. 9: 8:00-10:00 PM FOX MOVIE SPECIAL: BRUCE ALMIGHTY Fridays, beginning Jan. 16 (no change to lineup): 8:00-9:00 PM ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A 5th GRADER? 9:00-10:00 PM DON'T FORGET THE LYRICS! Fridays, beginning Feb. 13: 8:00-9:00 PM TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES (Time Period Premiere) 9:00-10:00 PM DOLLHOUSE (Series Premiere) *************************** SATURDAY Saturdays, beginning Jan. 3 (no change to lineup): 8:00-8:30 PM COPS 8:30-9:00 PM COPS 9:00-10:00 PM AMERICA'S MOST WANTED: AMERICA FIGHTS BACK 11:00 PM-Midnight MADtv Midnight-12:30 AM TALKSHOW WITH SPIKE FERESTEN *************************** SUNDAY Sunday, Jan. 11: 8:00-10:00 PM 24 (Season Premiere, Part 1) Sundays, beginning Jan. 18: 7:00-7:30 PM HOLE IN THE WALL (Time Period Premiere) 7:30-8:00 PM HOLE IN THE WALL (Time Period Premiere) 8:00-10:00 PM ANIMATION DOMINATION (THE SIMPSONS, KING OF THE HILL, FAMILY GUY and AMERICAN DAD)
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  • Nov. 6, 2008, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Sadly, not very surprising...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    This looks terrible.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    So...already cancelled then...

    by Drath

    I honestly do not know how ANY genre show ever got multiple seasons. Surely the audience that made those old shows successes isn't gone! Networks, you really need to learn how to cultivate your hits or--maybe more to the point--start making DVR and Tivo part of your plan to make money instead of ignoring it.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6 p.m. CST


    by TrumpyEatsPotatoes


  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST

    i'll still watch, or at least tivo, but...

    by coachaaron

    it's definitely going to get canned fast. i'm a life long whedon fan, i've loved everything he's done but this just doesn't look impressive to me. i can't quite explain why, it might just be the style/look of the footage but it doesn't look great to me. it's sad because whedon is a talented guy who for some reason has trusted fox again? he should go to showtime or hbo and create something that's a little more adult, a little more violent to appeal to his now grown up buffy/angel/firefly core of fans.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Just when you think they'd learned their lesson...

    by MrD

    Let's hope Wheedon was smart enough to write a continuity light first season, and, if the reviews are good, Fox is smart enough to change the time slot BEFORE cancelling it.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST


    by br1947

    Why even bother with the night 'o death, just move it to FX on a decent night. Take off the broadcast filter, go hardcore naked Dushku, and run wild!

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:08 p.m. CST

    WOW. Fuck you FOX.

    by nalapou

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:10 p.m. CST


    by RenoNevada2000

    Fuck you FOX in the ass with the broken end of a telephone pole.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Do Fox executives band together like schoolyard bullies

    by skimn

    and devise ways to entice, then destroy show by Whedon and his cohorts. Firefly, Drive, The Inside, Wonderfalls, etc. Maybe Joss should go to FX. At least he'd get a full season, or at least 13 episodes, on the air.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Gotta agree with O Goncho on this one

    by Lyghthouse

    After how thoroughly Fox shafted Firefly, I can't believe Whedon actually decided to work with them again. This news is, sadly, not the least bit surprising. Oh, and fuck you Fox.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    just watched

    by frank cotton

    SERENITY - more like that, and less like this, please.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Nun-na-nah-nah, Nun-na-nah-nah, hey-ay-ay . . .

    by gruntybear

    GOOOOOOOODDBYYYYYEE!!!! Just like before, Fox does it again. Told you so.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Dumb Premise

    by LosVientos668

    This is what happens when Joss sits down with Eliza at lunch and a show pops out. Seriously dumb idea and it shows...I guess Fox thinks so too.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Didn't Joss say he had an idea for a Procedural once?

    by Drath

    It's time to sell out and make a procedural, Joss. CSI Fargo or something. Work in doctors or lawyers and if you must indulge in fantasy include lots of people looking at monitors while a hot couple strips inside a talking car! Quality clearly doesn't matter when shit like Raising the Bar and Knight Rider are the big hits over the likes of Journeyman and Pushing Daisies. Compromise, make something that sells on a brainless level, and then get creative when you have a hit. Also, that fan-made Faith show actually looks good, I'd buy it was real except for shitty graphics and the oddball cast choices (though I could see the guy from Alias working in Buffyverse).

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    it's over...

    by nora inu

    why the fuck did fox even bother??? did they not know what they were getting into? and why the fuck did joss think that this time would be different!!!! i echo the above comment about sticking on FX. this blows.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST


    by Bouncy X

    so they go ahead and give it a full season only to dump it on friday? doesnt that defeat the point?

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST

    "They've changed. They're not like that anymore"

    by Paul T. Ryan

    I swear, it's like Joss is an abused spouse and FOX is an abusive husband. Why the hell did you pitch ANYTHING to them Joss?????

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Why does FOX hate their shows?

    by NivekJ

    Just tell me why. As much shit as people gave Speed Racer and The Happening this past summer, it will NEVER compare to the death throes of "I Want To Believe". No fan of any fictive media has known pain like that. Not even Star Trek V or Star Trek: Nemesis. And it was

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Why does FOX hate their shows? Pt. 2

    by NivekJ

    And it was FOX who destroyed Brisco County and Firefly. What next?! Huh? WHAT NEXT?!!

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Fox Executives have smallest weiners in Hollywood

    by ENAN

    The show with the most potential gets shafted. Fringe and Terminator are so weak. Eliza and Joss are a powerhouse combo! Faith is one of the best characters in television history. Can you imagine if this show was supported as it should be?

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:36 p.m. CST

    hey here's an idea.....

    by earlfist

    As Whedons career is fast plummetting into the crapper, I wonder if he's considered this.... A movie of that great cult hit series "buffy the vampire slayer" I know nobody ever has ever mentioned this ever before, especially on this site, but it just came to me in a flash of genius! I expect the massive success of the 2nd x files movie will help this get greenlit! I know SMG is probably busy with her dedicated series of straight to video classics. I bet also she is sorely missed by her fellow actors! Anyway just an idea.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Josh "I'll never work with FOX again' Whedon

    by Manos

    Uh huh.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:37 p.m. CST


    by Centipede Damascus

    Bastard coated bastards with bastard filling!

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST

    A Dollhouse TB, right on top of another Dollhouse TB

    by jim

    Has there ever been another show that had so many threads before even one episode has aired?

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Why does Whedon go back to Fox?

    by aversiontherapy2

    Then again they have renewed Terminator for another season...

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:51 p.m. CST

    I wonder

    by EvilElecBlanket

    If Fox will have the balls to air 9 or 10 episodes, and then charge $60+ for the DVD because of the un-aired shows.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Dissapointed with FRINGE, I was looking forward to this

    by zooch

    but now it looks D.O.A.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 7:08 p.m. CST

    *swear words*

    by buffywrestling

    NG: Yes. It really is this thing of executives loving the smell of their own urine and urinating on things. And then more execs come in, and they urinate. And then the next round. By the end, they have this thing which just smells like pee, and nobody likes it. <p> JW: There's really no better way to put it. <p> TIME, 9/25/05, Interview Neil Gaiman & Joss Whedon <p> Who's surprised? I mean really? No one, especially Joss Whedon.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST


    by doubleARon

    It's not the same world as the world that Firefly (semi)launched in. For instance, ad revenue from internet viewing, and a Whedon fanbase that is poised for instant activity (rather than the slowly brewed Browncoats.)<p> I really love Firefly but never really got into anything else Joss has done. Maybe the fact that Terminator is renewed means that there is some hope with these back-to-back.<p> Maybe Fox can find a way to make money off these shows, because that's the only thing that will save them.<p> < / raw optimism >

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Friday the 13th

    by buffywrestling

    (Also the day of Angel's cancellation) I go out Fridays! Who the hell stays in on a Friday??

  • Is this going to become a year round thing? <P> Also good to know that they are going to kill of Terminator the TV show as well. That's what you get for voting democrat. Murdoch is gonna fuck you all by destroying anything good.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Whedon just needs to start his own network

    by nytivofan

    Monday: Dollhouse Tuesday: Firefly 2 Wednesday: Slayer School Thurday: Dr. Horrible-The Series Friday-Sunday: reruns of Buffy and Angel

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Wait for the DVD.

    by LordEnigma

    I am not even going to bother to watch this series. It stands ZERO chance of surviving because this is FOX FRIDAY NIGHT and not NBC FRIDAY NIGHT. So I thank Joss for giving me another show to love, that's going to be cancelled.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 7:21 p.m. CST

    I recently saw Firefly for the first time.

    by Deathpool

    I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Man that list of shows fox cancelled...

    by paulrichard

    is depressing to look at. Harsh Realm, Millenium and Firefly were all shows I really enjoyed. Didn't Fox also air VR 5 on Friday nights?

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 7:31 p.m. CST


    by snowpuff

    It's been so obvious that this show was toast before it even aired. Whedon wasn't into it, Fox wasn't into it. Production problems, pilot problems, Fox problems, Joss problems.<br> <br> You can't blame Fox for this one. This show was never going to happen. From the FIRST picture I saw of this show, which showed a bored Eliza Dushku walking through a wide set that looked amazingly like Wolfram & Hart's lobby from Angel... I thought "Jeez, someone is really phoning this in."<br> <br> You really have to consider that not everyone on Earth is out to get Joss Whedon. This show is a mess.<br> <br> Snowpuff, over and out!

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 7:46 p.m. CST

    *high fives Deathpool*

    by buffywrestling

    Right on, brother. I looked up some of your posts - seemed it was the fanatical "Browncoats" that, let's face it, trolled the talkbacks when Serenity came out that turned you off, yeah? Or was it something else?

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Oh balls

    by buffywrestling

    Someone is suggesting on Whedonesque that the twitter Fox sent out re: scheduling changes had gone out before some people on the show even knew about it. That's fucking terrible. And par for bone munching executives. Slimy dickwhistles.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 7:58 p.m. CST

    I lurve Joss, but he's got no one to blame but himself.

    by Pennsy

    Sad, but true.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Set your dvr's or tivo's

    by johnnyangelheart

    Who watches TV shows at their scheduled times anyway?

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 8:03 p.m. CST

    It sucks to be us

    by johnnyangelheart

    A dozen stupid night time soap operas and only one show about robots from the future killing people. Why can't we have more quality TV!!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Damn them all to hell

    by yodaismyhomie

    Ok...if Joss creates a show you can expect it to be quality. The earliest ads for Firefly didn't interest me but it was one of the greatest shows ever made. Even the early ads for Buffy (and the abysmal movie they had already made) didn't interest me but I loved the show. Dollhouse will probably be awesome because Joss created it but damn FOX for already signing its death certificate

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Well, then what WOULD be a wise choice for FOX friday?

    by wackybantha

    A test pattern? They have to put something on, right?

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 8:46 p.m. CST

    And on Friday the 13th no less....

    by fishpillow

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST


    by fishpillow

    I mean just wow....

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Wonder how much of an influence...

    by Christopher3

    Hulu figures have on greenlight. Might explain the decision to reup Terminator.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 8:58 p.m. CST

    What happened to Prison Break?

    by TallBoy66

    They ordered 22 episodes. Don't see it on there. Is it done? Personally, I don't care when episodes air, I got me a torrent and a VCR and I mostly chain-watch shows after they hit mid-season breaks, but I guess it matters to, you know, getting an audience. And the X-Files DID flourish on Fridays originally, but that was in the long long ago.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST

    fuck Fox, fuck them in their stupid asses

    by newc0253

    aren't there other networks or cable channels that are willing to work with Whedon? there's got to be *some* way Whedon can get his stuff on air without being perpetually screwed in the ass by these douchebags.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 9 p.m. CST



    Let the mourning commence.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    I just don't understand you, Fox...

    by Ribbons matter who comes and who goes, your network seems to have a knack for putting, per volume, the most interesting shows on the air... and then treating them like shit and inevitably cancelling them.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Anyone remember Drive?

    by Series7

    Yeah me neither.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    I like Terminator quite a bit...

    by lynxpro

    It certainly is better than T3 even without Arnold in it. And I am still amazed that Brian Austin Green can actually come off as a bad ass too. As for Fox, I have no faith in the Fox [Broadcasting] Network, but F/X totally kicks ass in its original programming. I didn't think originally that I'd dig *Sons of Anarchy* but I really do. If *The Shield* were to stay on one more season, I'd love to see a cross-over since they share some of the same street gangs [the 1-9ers, for example]. Sure, Jay Karnes has been on both shows as different characters, but that wouldn't stop a shared 'verse considering how many characters Terry O'Quinn played in the Chris Carter 'verse.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 9:36 p.m. CST

    by johnnysunshine

    At least this is premiering in a landscape where you can catch the episodes on the internet that you missed cause you have a life on Friday nights. Television needs a new Joss Whedon show and I hope the history of Friday night on Fox doesn't kill this series.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    Thanks for the update, Herc. I'm not surprised about "Dollhouse," unfortunately. Not because Fox execs were difficult about it this time, but because the footage just doesn't look very good. I'm mostly a big fan of Joss Whedon, and I loved "Firefly," but I question whether Eliza Dushku has the acting chops to pull off a lead role. I hope she'll surprise me, and I'm excited to see the smiles and curves she exudes, but I don't know if she'll last long in a lead role.<p> I hope I'm wrong, though. I'll be tuning in for the premiere in January.

  • Also forgot to mention: As usual, Herc brings us the super objective coverage. Dollhouse, which has had no end of bad news, gets gleeful jubilant press. Terminator, which has actually slightly improved its ratings recently, gets one line and as usual Herc expresses his objective view by simply describing the show in the worst light possible. Apparently, the producers of Terminator SCC didn't send Herc a free hat or something similar. Your readers keep saying they like Terminator, you keep urinating on it.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    I'm sick of this "death slot" nonsense

    by bravogolfhotel

    Whedon's apologist base would be handwringing about whatever slot the show got. It remains to be seen whether Fox noted the show to death, but Fridays at 9 represents a real opportunity, because all the networks have given up. ABC is running SUPERNANNY (cheap reality shit), CW has AMERICA'S NEXT TOP MODEL (more cheap reality shit), NBC is running CRUSOE (cheap foreign co-production), and CBS just has reruns. It's not like DOLLHOUSE is going up against CSI and GREY'S ANATOMY.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Prison Break finishes in December or so

    by BitterMan23

    It splits with 24. That's why it started earlier.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    But really

    by The Pelti

    For the record, Brisco County, Sliders, and Millenium were not half-season death spiral shows like the rest of these. At one point I had a decade long string of fall seasons in which my favorite new show was cancelled. Fox definitely held the lions share of those, with ABC running a distant second, and I think NBC made the list as well. This is why we need to abandon the multiple season model and make shows more like the rest of the world, 8-15 episode series that are planned out from beginning to end, shot in one go, and aired in full. The writers strike killed a lot of shows, but there were a few that were better for it, Lost was able to kill the filler, Life turned in one of the most perfect half-seasons I've ever seen, and Terminator had a really strong launch. Trying to stretch a story over 24 episodes, which usually takes over 6 months, is just ridiculous. A nice, focused, 2-4 month run makes for better story telling, better performances, and, god willing, much less vapid procedural drivel.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 10:26 p.m. CST


    by kayleefan

    you stupid motherf#@%*&$.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    What are you, a moron? The whole point of this article was that Herc thinks Fox just put Dollhouse on the chopping block; quite the opposite of "gleeful, jubilant press."

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST

    This really look like Whedon's fault

    by frozenhamster

    If you remember correctly the new Fox executives were excited as hell about a new Joss show. But the more they saw of what Joss actually had planned the less they believed in it. Even the writers on the show were having a hard time with it, which is what led to Whedon shutting down production to re-write a bunch of episodes himself. I really think that after Firefly, a show for which he truly created a new universe, his creative energy was sucked dry. And since then he's been spreading himself thin. The only truly great thing he's done since Serenity was Dr. Horrible. The reason? That was the only thing that seemed to come about perfectly naturally. Dollhouse never seemed that way. It always seemed like an excuse to get back into TV and to give Dushku her own show. I sincerely hope it's great, and if it is I hope to God it doesn't get canceled, but if it isn't great and it does get the shaft I won't be surprised, and the only person I'll be disappointed in is Joss.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST

    "Hole in the Wall moves to Sundays"

    by jdb1972

    Because you know that's a show with ratings potential. Geez, a Magic 8-Ball could do the job of a Fox suit. And better.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Something I didn't understand..

    by buffywrestling

    but I'm beginning to. I was kinda wondering to myself - after Joss's post about the re-working of epiodes to fit the execs standards - why there seemed to be a lack of communication between the two. I mean, it was like he was basically saying, "I sold them something they didn't know they were buying." And I could see that happening when you are buying cheese or something but a television show? <p> A quote: "He had me at 'hello,' " Reilly said. "I was kinda drunk with the surprise of it all. He laid out the whole concept but I think it was one of those things where I heard every other word of it." <p> So there you have it. The guy's a drunk. And, this guy, who might like Joss as a person and respect him as a artist, just doesn't understand where he is coming from. Joss - he of the cheeky language short-cutting and dramatic one shots - is a relatively thematic person. He covers serious issues with monster make-up and giddiness and flirtatiousness. Some people only see surface-y things. And if they focus more on the surface of the product, it is easier for them to package. But it makes for shit shows. Even worse news is that the LA Times is saying they had to reworked the 6th episode and are stalled on the 7th and Whedon isn't even on the set anymore because he is constantly re-drafting. <p> I wasn't really saying much about Dollhouse other than the fact i was exicetd to have Joss back on television. I had my doubts about Eliza's acting and thought that the existentialism Joss was going for was going to be too crazy deep for some. But I wanted crazy deep. Those assholes.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Why hasn't Herc gabbed about Dollhouse's behind the scenes drama

    by TallBoy66

    The only post I saw about Dollhouse shutting down was the "everything's sunny in Whedonland" post from Whedon himself, and none of the actual dirt and craziness which seems to be happening. It's all promo-photos this and fancy trailers that. It's an oddly upbeat outlook from AICN on this show when all indication from the outside is that it's melting down on itself.

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Yuh'd thunk

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    that JW would have somehow avoided that this time around

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Whedon got his upbeat spin on

    by buffywrestling

    the complications, not Herc. And if Herc had posted a new TB to every article that discussed production problems? Super Jim has already complained of two Dollhouse TBs on top of one another and lord knows he ain't the first. A trailer and scheduling changes are news. Herc is one of the only editors on this site who doesn't treat it like his blog (I like blogs but you get my point?)

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah and

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    Fox needs to fire it's entire managment staff.<p> What fucking morons idea is it to move house, bones and T:TSCC?<p> Just so people will lose track of them and the numbers will decline?<p> Fucking morons

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:19 p.m. CST

    DVD date ?

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    For the six aired episodes and the six unaired episodes. <p> I'm with the abused spouse analogy. <p> I love his creations, but he needs someone to do his strategy for him. <p>

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Is the FOX Network in therapy yet ?

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Given the election result, am sure they will be lashing out, and Joss Whedon comes across as very gay (yes I know he is married...) and very liberal. <p> Am just saying

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST

    The Show Should Be Scheduled After American Idol

    by Media Messiah

    If Fox was really serious about the series, they would have placed it behind American Idol, hence the reason this show should have been about college kids who are secret programmable agents, as it would have more easily attracted the American Idol demo. It's called cross promotion...and anchoring!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:29 p.m. CST

    by buffywrestling

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST

    TV is crap

    by Dark Knight Lite

    and Joss Whedon fits right it. How's that Wonder Woman movie coming?

  • Nov. 6, 2008, 11:58 p.m. CST

    It's sad..

    by Lissa-Triana

    ... how many of those Friday Fox shows I loved and how many of them I mourned when they were canceled. I will watch Dollhouse and I'm sure love every second of it... which knowing FOX will be about 2 or 3 episodes. And then I will give up on them all together. This is their last chance with me.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Fuller back on Heroes? Sure...

    by buffywrestling <p> I'm going to miss Pushing Daises :(

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:31 a.m. CST

    All of those shows that got canned sucked.

    by Duke of Hurl

    Even Sliders.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3:12 a.m. CST


    by alice 13

    maybe i should change that to 5.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Whedon must have had his memory cleaned!

    by zooch

    to ever to have worked with FOX again!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3:25 a.m. CST


    by medicinaluser

    They know he's made a stinker again

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Looks like those "Save Dollhouse" dweebs were right...

    by MajorMajorMajor

    Wow. Pretty much says it all doesn't it? When a bunch of fanboys and girls call it months before a show even airs. Fox should perhaps look at their scheduling and advertising practices if they're green-lighting shows that seem almost pre-ordained to get axed. Oh and fuck you, Fox.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:34 a.m. CST

    I have no sympathy for "battered wife" Whedon

    by V'Shael

    I mean, sure, you gotta feel sorry for the guy, the first time Fox butt-rapes savagely in the bar.<p> And maybe even the second time.<p> But there comes a point, as he is shimmying into his slinky red dress, putting on the make up, and telling you that he's going over to Fox's place, that you just go "Hey, it's your funeral dude."

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Terminator moves to Friday too????

    by V'Shael

    FUCK! There goes THAT show.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:02 a.m. CST

    What's with Prison Break and Virtuality?

    by ev1ldead

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Looks like spring viewing will be light for me

    by Jack Burton

    Dollhouse is DOA, Terminator is obviously on the way out, Pushing Daisies is doubtful to be renewed, Shield is ending, Riches is gone, SoA will be over. The only dramas I'll be watching this spring are BSG, Lost, 24, House, and Fringe. Looks like I'll be catching up on my Netflix que.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 8 a.m. CST

    ev1ldead : Prison Break ends in Dec/Jan

    by V'Shael

    There are only 16 episodes in Season 4 and then the show is over. <p> They air episode 13 around December 1st, so I figure they'll have the finale aired before end of Jan.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 8:24 a.m. CST

    So now you have your excuse

    by ulcer

    So now you have your excuse for the future cancellation of this apparent turd. Someone to blame because Joss can't possibly have mean a barely average tv series, right? He probably went to Fox because he's doing this one as a favor to a friend. Perhaps you should watch 'my own worse ennemy' instead, it's similar in concept and probably more thrilling to watch. Although in either case, we don't know how long the interest can last.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Joss, leave FOX NOW!! Got to HBO, SHOWTIME, AMC, FX...

    by MrFloppy

    Go cable!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Fuck FOX

    by _Maltheus_

    <p>They're shafting Dollhouse and Terminator, yet they're still throwing their weight around 24 (which is long past the point where it should have been canceled) and Fringe (which even regular viewers aren't that hyped on and couldn't give two shits about). Why did they even approve Dollhouse if they weren't going to support it for a least a few episodes?</p> <p>As for Terminator, well that's the best show they have right now. I didn't really care about it in its first season, but it's really developed into something good in its second.</p> <p>So way to go FOX, once you cancel these two shows, I'll have no more reason to watch your network. You suck!!! And the country sucks for now watching Pushing Daisies, but at least its good to hear that Fuller will go back to Heroes if that happens.</p>

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Terminator is a mule... I mean that in a good way

    by MurderMostFowl

    I'm sure there's an industry term for that, but I roll my own when I can :) <BR> So, I've watched terminator since its inception and I can't help but praise it for being consistently good... good solid story, interesting characters ( even 90210 boy, though recently I'm getting bored with him, and wishing he would bitchslap his girlfriend ).<BR> What it doesn't have is pointless multiple plottwists like Heroes. It doesn't have endless false suspense like 24 ( or dare I say Lost ). It doesn't have arbitrary plot extending, climax delays like Prison Break ( and Lost ) or retconish, we-planned-it-this way-no-really storylines (chalk another one up for Lost...) <BR> It's a good solid show, and may not be a pretty show horse, but it works hard and gets the job done.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Will be cancelled by the first commercial break of the pilot epi

    by TVguy4566

    I already fully expect this show to suck anyway. From it's inception it look doomed to fail. Just because Eliza Dushku and Joss Whedon wanted to work together again, they should have done something more substantial than a series based on a brainstorming lunch between the two. It is quite clear that they rushed it into production before they had a clear vision of the show. <br><br>Unlike Firefly, I think Fox may be giving Whedon a merciful death than showcase a series that looks to be ill-conceived by doing something like pairing it with 24 or Fringe. I don't know if I blame Fox on this one. I have a feeling this show is going to deserve its Friday night timeslot. Maybe even deserve to be paired with Cops on Saturday.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Where's "The Cleveland Show" and "Sit Down, Shut Up"?

    by BillBrasky2620

    I thought both those shows were supposed to be midseason shows. Are we going to have to wait until summer to see them?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST

    A Hercules Haiku

    by Aquatarkusman

    Whedon! Joss Whedon! / Whedon! Joss Whedon! Joss Whedon! / Whedon! Joss Whedon!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:49 a.m. CST

    I time-shift every series I watch.

    by kabong

    Network scheduling does not affect me. <p> Technology liberates me from your tentacles, networks. <p> MUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Fox’s So-Called Friday Death Slot

    by jim

    Dark Angel - 2 seasons<p>Millenium - 3 seasons<p>Sliders - 5 seasons<p>And didn't fanboy's heads explode when Fox moved X-Files from Friday to Sunday night, believing it was a terrible decision and they would not follow it to its new night?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST


    by PyrateBrian


  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Gee, Fox if you really think Friday is a good slot

    by nam0krut

    then move House and American Idol to fridays, lets see how well they do then!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    A real Whedon haiku

    by V'Shael

    He says he loves me.<br> Can't hear him, over my screams<br> So he speaks with fists.<br>

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Reply to Big Jim

    by Agentcoop007

    Mr Big Jim, I understand the point you are trying to make, but the fact is..... Sliders didn't stay on Friday nights at FOX for 5 seasons, only 3, and that was mostly because it had X-Files as a lead in for the three months its first season aired in 95, then season 2 & 3 aired back to back over 14 months in 96/97 it lived the rest of its life on sci-fi after that. Millenium took over the hole X-files left after leaving for Sundays (when that show hit mainstream). Dark Angel never did well at Fridays and only lasted two season because of James Camerion. Fridays for Sci-fi shows is a big mistake as its target viewership isn't home to watch, and say what you will about downloads and DVR but TV honcos still look at ratings first. Mark my words, this will kill both shows before May, and fox will just put more reality shows on Fridays where they belong. -Neil-

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 11:04 a.m. CST


    by thedarklinglord

    Perfect. The show looks like utter crap and deserves a quick death. Whedon should just stick with milking the dead horse of Buffy in comic form if he can't learn better than to hand his projects over to Fox. I mean, seriously, do they have a contract that entitles them to his soul and, thus, everything he creates in this life, or do they offer him so much money for the initial idea that he abandons all hope of the project having any longevity? Because you'd think that after the way Fox screwed him on Firefly, he'd know better than to sell any of his brainchildren to a network that honestly doesn't believe in the programs they air. <br> <br> Whedon going back to's like a battered wife returning to her abusive husband because he promises this time will be different; there comes a point where you just shake your head at the dumb bitch and pray the asshole kills her and puts her out of her misery already, feeling certain that she deserves it for being so goddamn weak and stupid. If Dollhouse gets cancelled after six episodes, good. It serves Whedon right.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    The more Whedon shows I watch...

    by Cash907

    the more I'm starting to think the man deserves what he gets. As much of a creative genius he obviously is, there has to be a darkside to him that we the audience don't see. Fox was heavily behind this series (two hour premier with limited commercial interruptions, huge ad blitz, great timeslot)right up until word got out that they wanted a new pilot. We thought nothing of it seeing how they pulled the same crap with Firefly, but then they axed the original pilot altogether, and now they banish it to Friday night hell, hardly mentioning it at all in the above press release? What could have possibly happened in that short span of a few months to cause such a drastic change, especially in this turbulent television season when getting the most bang for their buck is essential?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Does this timeslot issue matter as much anymore?

    by tinkergraphics

    A larger percentage of people now have DVRs then in past years. If I really want to watch a show it does not matter when it is on.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    slot matters: ratings determine survival, dvrs don't help

    by chromedome

    Fox proves once again what utter TOOLS they are--Put the damn shows on nights when viewers are HOME TO WATCH.<p>If they want to boost Friday night ratings, they should put established shows there with loyal audiences. To put brand new shows there is just stupid. Put the American Idol show on Thu/Fri night--presto--ratings on Friday.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    To restore balance, SciFi channel creates Wrestlling Block

    by chromedome

    for Friday nights....<p>Both networks are so dumb, they must be run by twins separated at birth

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    so why doesn't Dollhouse get the post-Idol slot

    by oisin5199

    on Wednesday, instead of the Lie to Me which, despite starring Tim Roth, seems like another Mentalist/ Psych/ Raines/ Bones type procedural. Fuck you, Fox.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST


    by dr.bulber

    whedonites do so this is a perfect place for it.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    the time has come to bypass the mainstream networks

    by chromedome

    Direct to DVD should be the path for the truly creative and original: let the networks do "reality" and "competition/elimination" shows, and become synonymous with mediocrity.<p>Direct to DVD will allow creative control, no on-screen watermarking, branding, and advertising for other shows (SciFi is using up the bottom third of the screen for this crap now), and can reach the audience. <p>Change the Paradigm!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Terminator: TSCC is a marketing tool...

    by tiredpm

    ...for the new movie coming out next summer, that's why it was given a full season pick-up. I enjoy the show for what it is, but when it got a pick-up it seemed blatant corporate synergy to me, not faith in a show with deathly ratings.<p>As for Dollhouse, I think it's time to acknowledge that perhaps the behind the scenes drama is indicative of a troubled show. If there's anyone that can clarify the level of network involvement versus creative issues with the production company I'd love to hear them. Not Whedon-love, just honest assessment.<p>I do agree that with DVRs being more prevalent the timeslot is less important but it still will determine the shows life or death -- and I'd have to assume death at this time.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    When I heard Firefly was gonna air Friday's...

    by _Maltheus_

    ...I barely watched it because I knew it was a prelude to a quick cancellation. I didn't really grow to love it till it hit DVD. Hopefully Dollhouse will get several more episodes out of it. But it is the same bullshit, all over again.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Why doesn't Whedon

    by I am_NOTREAL

    try to get a deal going with Showtime or HBO? You may only get one 10 to 13 ep season, but at least you're gonna get that much...probablt won't have the plug yanked after 3 airings (or 2 or 1)

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST

    ok, I'm calmer now. Here's why.

    by oisin5199

    Dollhouse would most likely get killed post-Idol. On Fridays, it wouldn't be expected to perform highly as it would on a weekday. Fox are trying to resurrect their X-Files/Millenium type genre programming on Friday. Pairing it with Terminator, which has a full season order will give it a good lead-in. DVRs play a big role in genre programming, and they're probably betting Joss's built-in fanbase will follow it there. BSG was able to hang on to a good audience on Fridays. So it may have a better chance on Friday than it would earlier in the week. This doesn't have to be a disaster. We'll see how it goes. Even if it dies, 6 episodes of a Joss show is better than several seasons of other crap shows.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3 p.m. CST

    Whedon is not too bright if he thinks FOX has changed.

    by mrfan

    Also, this show just doesn't look too good. If it goes the same route as Firefly then the fanboys will blaming FOX instead Whedon.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST


    by top1tony


  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie

    by frozen01

    Um, didn't they make one of those already?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:18 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Great name :)

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Millennium got ass-raped.

    by Johnny Smith

    And apparently, all it needed was a fourth season to finish the story, instead of a shitty, shitty X-Files episode that had nothing to do with Millennium at all.

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    sci-fi extravaganza

    by crazybubba

    why don't j.j. abrams, joss whedon and chris carter get together and create a super tv show? Seriously why don't the best creators work together more like spielberg and lucas? Is it an ego and creative control thing?

  • Nov. 7, 2008, 8:16 p.m. CST

    I don't envy anyone on this production

    by buffywrestling

    And what I think the worst of it, is that people aren't going to watch when the show actually airs. Because of the attitude of "Fuck Fox" or abused!Whedon. And the most redonkulous thing, is that no one - NONE OF YOU - have seen one episode. Fans , nor critics. It is one thing when there is an episode given to critics before hand and they trash it. If you trust those critics, then I can see you being all meh. <p> But nobody knows what the fuck is happening with this show. There are disturbing facty rumours. Nobody gets what Joss is going for. The execs are intervening. There are rewrites. There are delays. <p> Sometimes I think it is a double edged sword that Joss's fanbase and him self is so interconnected with the internet. He seems aproachable and his fans love him for it. But we crave everything thing behind the scenes. And sometimes it's shit that we just don't want to hear. <p> But it really doesn't make sense to me to abandon a production before it happens. And I'm not talking about anti-whedon fans, I'm talking about people who have liked his shit. <p> A critically panned review is one thing, but most of the links I have read over the last 24 hours have tried to put a happy face spin on it (Yay!! sci/fi block). I am cynical and don't buy it. But I am also not going to NOT watch it because of the shit that has gone down. It's pussyfining to let others make a decision for you. Watch and hate it or watch it and love it.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 12:06 a.m. CST

    on the subject of Whedon apologists...

    by lynxpro

    Sure, the Whedon apologists are annoying but they aren't half as annoying as the Russell T Davies apologists over in the UK. To them, that wanker is totally responsible for Doctor Who being a success obviously forgetting that the heavy lifting of revising the show was done back in 1996 by Phil Segal, that all the best episodes of the new show are written by Steven Moffat [and not RTD] and that RTD is merely a poor man's Joss Whedon. Of course, if you bring this up, then basically you are accused of a h8 crime because of said writer's orientation even though most would never call into question the writing talents of Chuck Palahniuk, Ryan Murphy, or others of this industry with the same orientation. Then again, they don't write crap.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 12:34 a.m. CST


    by Yotz Von Frelnik

    Things like this make life almost seem hopeless.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Take Dollhouse to CW!

    by Yotz Von Frelnik

    Say what you will about The CW... but I'll bet they'd show more respect to Joss.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 2:55 a.m. CST

    bad...yet good

    by bacci40

    means that dollhouse dies a quick death, leaving whedon to become the new showrunner on heroes...whedon, fuller, verheiden...look for the final 2 years of heroes to be ass kicking goodness

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 4:02 a.m. CST

    I disagree bacci

    by buffywrestling

    Not that I think that he couldn't be a good addition. But I think Joss is a bit of Diva. I don't begrudged him this; he knows what he likes. But he doesn't come off like a exec note taking guy. His level of compromise is slim when it comes to the story he wants to tell. And I appreciate his temperment. I would rather watch 40 Dr.Horribles on the net than see him sell out his vision for prime time.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST

    When are you guys going to come to the realization?

    by Photoman

    Whedon just isn't that good. I mean, everyone always blames the network or blames someone else for this guys failures. Well, guess what: they gave him a huge chance with the Serenity movie and it tanked at the box office. Everyone was crying and moaning about how he never got a chance. How Firefly was so good and would be a huge hit if given a chance. They gave it a chance and it STFU about it already. The guy just isn't that talented. Honestly, it's like all the Whedon-heads are in on some elaborate joke...they keep building up this mediocre-at-best writer for some reason. I honestly can't believe that Herc and all the rest of you HONESTLY like this guy. I mean, it's a joke isn't it? It has to be.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    hey photoman

    by crazybubba

    i sure love that mediocre crap he's feeding me. Firefly and Angel....mmmmm tasty.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST

    sure, photoman

    by oisin5199

    because talent always = box office success or ratings. So that new Knight Rider show must be full of talented people because it got a full season order. Keep trying, dude.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST


    by snowpuff

    Are YOU a moron? Have you never read AICN? Have you NOT noticed that Herc has been relentlessly pushing this show for months? So he posts about the Friday slot - his version of calling something after the horse has already left the barn months ago. Wow.

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 4:43 p.m. CST

    More problems with Dollhouse, per the LA Times:

    by Pennsy

    Money quote: "On Thursday, it became obvious that the problems persist. Production on the seventh episode, which is supposed to begin (this) Monday, is being delayed at least a day because the script was in 'such bad shape', according to a source who requested anonymity. The script for the sixth episode also had big problems, causing production delays that left the cast and crew very frustrated, the source said." <p> Rest of the story here:

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    re: Terminator: TSCC is a marketing tool...

    by snowpuff

    I couldn't agree more with the motivation for the TSCC full order this season. It's too bad, but it obviously is about the franchise, not the show...

  • Nov. 8, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Sci-Fi Channel

    by lfhlaw

    I think the Sci-Fi Channel should give him a call up and for him to create a series for their channel. I think they'd give Joss a much better chance to build an audience compared to Fox. Plus it would help build Sci-fi Channels Rep as long as they can finance his series. This beats Sci-fi picking up shows from overseas (Dr. Who, SJ chronicales, Primeval [soon]). And creating cheesy monster animal of the month or weather catastrophe of the month. With BSG ending it's run. I think alot of Joss's shows would have flourished on Sci-Fi Channel. Maybe not get the audience, but at least garner a following. BTW, anyone know what happened to the old Syndicated TV where u could have Conan the barbarian, Xena: Warrior princess, and Andromeda?

  • Nov. 9, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    If you think Dollhouse will be better than Doctor Who, then you need to pass that weapons grade THC to another user. When Who returns in 2010, it will be without any scripts from the poor man's Joss Whedon named Russell T Davies. It will be fully helmed and mostly written by Steven Moffat who pretty soon they'll have to rename the Hugo Award in honor of him because he keeps winning the mofo. If one were to compare Moffat to Whedon in layman's terms, it would be like comparing a V-12 engine to a two-stroke. So no, don't go suggesting that SciFi replaces Doctor Who with Whedon's latest flop. Now, if you suggest SciFi add Dollhouse to their line up, then I'd support that but the way its going, it'll end up on G4.

  • Nov. 9, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    sure oisin5199

    by Photoman

    Yeah, so let's keep throwing money at Whedon even though we're losing money with him, because the 12 outspoken fans are so vocal about his talent. Keep trying, dude.

  • Nov. 9, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST

    The x-files and the simpsons..

    by emeraldboy

    made fox tv. When the x-files ended after its 9th and awful season. Fox has never had a sci-fi show like it. rightly or wrongly fox grew cold at the thought of doing any more sci-fi. or any show that would last more then one season. there is however the small matter of numbers. if shows are not rating well and private numbers dont stack up. the show will get cancelled. Fox just signed a humungous deal with everyone's fave feiry scot chef gordo. Reality tv pulls in the numbers. American idol get huge numbers. Who will people watch Idol or Dollhouse. idol will win everytime. as will Hells Kitchen. The landscape has changed since buffy, angel, x-files, and king of the hill first arrived on tv. the simpsons wont be around for ever either. it will be over in three years time.

  • Nov. 9, 2008, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Fox is the problem, Not Whedon

    by chromedome

    Fox wants suits involved in writing scripts, placing products. Whedon's failure is not as a writer, but in giving Fox another chance.<p>SCREW the Networks--do Direct to DVD.

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