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PRESIDENT-ELECT OBAMA!!!!
OBAMA IS PRESIDENT! I'm really damn happy right now! Hope you are too!
Hey folks, Harry here... I VOTED with my beard off! That's how serious I am about voting this time out! That's right, I shaved my precious bit of second chin fur, just so I'd be an extra bit clean cut for this election.
Ok - technically it was for my Halloween costume, I was the Indian killer from BODY DOUBLE (photos at my Facebook or Myspace.) But I purposefully did not grow it back out for the Election. Ahem.
Seriously though - Get out and VOTE today. For the last 2 years this Election has been dominating our media in this country - and we're about to have the results tonight, but will you be represented in all those tallys? If you're not voting, I hope it's because you're either not a citizen or you're too young to vote. Otherwise, VOTE! Seriously - Get away from your computer and VOTE!
Get out and VOTE - call some friends and see if they need a ride, perhaps your grandparents, hell - make it a block party to go vote. And to prove I voted, I've got my nifty "YO VOTE'" sticker! I decided to get the Spanish sticker, cuz I've never seen one of those before. Very Cool!
Feel free to feedback on the election below...
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go vote kids
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With it you looked like a giant mutated Tribble. Now, not so much. UPGRADE!
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Because I'm not American, don't live in America, and am not currently in the US. But if I was in the country I definitely would have tried.
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Some people need to get a grip.
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He shall win. Howard Dorre is having a rad election party tonight if anyone wants to go.
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of course i voted today for obama! i even gave a ride throughout the past 2 weeks to 13 people to vote regardless to who they were voting for as long as the deed was done. In my opinon voting should be mandatory, though that would never happen. Heres to hope that a democrat will take office once again and bring our nation back to good standing the way we left it to bush .
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Harry, have you considered getting contacts as part of the self-improvement you are on? I applaud the workouts, and the shave. I think as part of a fashion-makeover, you should consider ditching those glasses. Frankly, they make you look kinda like the oily German from Raiders. This is comes from a geek-brother who reminds people of the unctuous German.
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Always bet on black.
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anyway, GOBAMA and SUCK IT WINGNUTS!
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voted for him in cali
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That said, watch out for attempted voter fraud in areas of Manhattan, of all places. YIKES!
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It's good to see your smiling face, sir. I woke up bright and early and have already enjoyed my free coffee from Starbucks.
Check out this very cool site, forwarded to me by the mother of all forwarders, my... mother:
http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/
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I thought that walnut sized stomach would've kicked in by now.
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... and we're all doomed! Get your wallets out. If you're not paying more taxes, goods and services are going up.
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I’ll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do a thousand now.
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As have/will all registered voters I know.
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When you start at 425, it takes a while for it all to come off, but I'm at 340 right now - so I'm headed in the right direction
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Absentee ballot. It doesn't feel as "rad" as everyone told me it would. :-P
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Sorry to bust your chubby bubble, Harry! My wife, her sister and 5 of her classmates from Stanford voted today for John McCain in Palo Alto! These were 5 first time voters! Go Johnny, go go go! Shut the fuzzy mouth of the ultra-liberal, inexperienced, unqualified Barack H. Obama!
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I missed the voter registration deadline. Kinda pissed about it. I totally forgot about having to register to vote, and when I finally remembered that I had to, it was too late. I wish you could just show up and register and vote on election day.
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Congrats on the good work, Harry!!! I mean that! I can't wait to visit Austin and play some hoops with you!
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its says this website generates between $50-100mil. Shiiittt, if you ask me eat whatever you want and enjoy being rich.
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good job! Hopefully, it will a short 4 years for Barack Hussein Obama and we'll get someone sensible in office after he f's everything up.
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That show does amazing things for people. Have you ever considered it? Granted, it would take you out of the AICN offices (and more importantly, the theaters) for a few months, but if it can get you in shape quickly it's worth the sacrifice, right? I'd have to think having you on the show would do wonders for the ratings.
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For all the people that are bitching about taxes, good and services going up if Obama wins. Last time I checked they were already high because of the coporate greed and wrecked economy.
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No Harry should go on the Celebrite Fat Farm show. A Baldwin did.
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Actually I voted for BO, your future Funkmaster in Chief. Awww yeah. Congrats on dropping those first 80 lubbs, Big Red.
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Wait until yer a grandpa Harry, if you MUST
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You listen to Short Round more, you live longer.
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our collective breath around the world. PLEASE don't fuck up and end up electing McCain. We, the people of the world, ask you to Please elect Obama. I don't know if it's lack of hindsight or something, but you must understand McCain-Palin isn't a good choice. Just go ahead and give the other guy a shot. You will earn a lot of respect from us folks, who kinda sees the General You (all exceptions applied) as a bunch of morons. I know you don't care about our love, but with the dollar becoming a fictitious currency, we need to act somewhat together from now on, as no one really wants their counrty to melt, and we need -- and are counting on -- you guys. Act up, elect Obama and give us eight years of peace. It's 'bout time.
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You actually do seem to have lost a fair bit, Harry! Keep the faith, dude. Good to see you in beter shape (though the last time I saw you was on a Sky movies programme a couple of years ago...)
I'd vote Bama if I could - if only to piss the Wingnuts off, because faith in St Obama may not be enough to undo the shitstorm that 8 years of Dubya has wrought on the US and the world - but I'm in the Yoo-Kay, and trust me, we have our own problems, what with a Government that has no fucking clue how to run a country, and a media hell-bent on reporting anything EXCEPT the truth. The UK is fucked. But - go Bama! -
Way to go, man. On the voting and the weight loss. I work for a plus size womans clothing company, and watching people's results after surgery is incredible. It takes a year or two, but damn, is it dramatic. And all you McCainites out there talking about how Obama is gonna f things up, take a look around you. They don't get much more f'd then they are right now, courtesy our your guy and his evil buddies. Wake up.
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Nov 04, 2008 4:08:46 PM CST
ccchhhrrriiisssm you're vote doesn't really count....
by backrivercatfish
because you live in a very Blue state but I'm sure you loved voting against the gays.
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He has tons more relevant experience, he's the temperamental opposite of George Bush, and he has a proven track record of working constructively with the other party. Simply put, he (not his running mate) is clearly the more qualified candidate. That said, I'm not stupid enough to think he will actually win. The understandable desire for a complete break from the past is probably too strong for any Republican to overcome. And, while I'll be disappointed for McCain, it warms my heart to think how happy the world will be when a black guy becomes president of the United States.
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Hehe. Good to see that's the case when it makes this big of a difference.
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GO WEED!
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I'm from Maryland, which makes California look rosy red by comparison.
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our collective breath in THIS NATION! Please don't screw up and end up electing an inexperienced and unqualified little socialist man like Barack H. Obama. I don't know if it's lack of hindsight or something, but you must understand that Obama-Lyin' Biden isn't a good choice. Just go ahead and give the old, experienced hero a shot. You might not earn a lot of respect from America-hating and jealous foreigners who sees the America like we are a bunch of morons simply because we realize we have a better thing in America than they do where they're at. I know you don't really care about foreign esteem, but with the dollar still far more valuable than 99% of the world's currency, we need to act as the GREAT NATION that we are. Don't MESS UP -- elect McCain and give us eight years of strength! Make Osama mad! We need REAL change -- not fuzzy liberal change. It's about time!
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McCain is more center than his campaign makes him out to be but his stupid decisions and backwards logic almost boggles the mind. Choosing Palin was the nail in the coffin...he is completely unvotable. Whilst Obama nicely takes the center in politics and is willing to open dialogue. Biden is a nut but when focused is a force to be reckoned with. Obama-Biden all the way.
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I like Nader because he's an honest man. Those whining about Nader "siphoning" votes away from Gore in Florida should get over it, because Bill Clinton won 1992 election thanks to Ross Perot, which the bitter Republican neocons still blame for Ggeorge HW Bush's loss. I despise McCain and don't believe Obama represent "change". Read Nader's open letter to Obama "Between Hope and Reality". (Google it) I'd say Obama will win, and that should be fantastic news to you.Ahnuld Schwarzenegger and Tim Robbins were filmed to vote today. Why not celebrity movie directors? That interests me more but TMZ and other trash gossip rags refuse to report on "famous" movie directors' errands. Which is a big advantage, so they can focus on writing, producing and completing films.
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Just read your post, Harry. 85 pounds is a lot, and I'm sure it hasn't been easy. Congratulations, and I wish you continued success.
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I voted for Kodos!
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The dollar is weaker than all of Europe. If Obama is a socialist than we need to rewrite the definition of a socialist. There is no formal qualification for Commander-in-Chief.
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is the wackyland version of the polaroid leonard shelby takes after he killed the original john doe
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Harry reminds me a bit of Ed Wynn in that pic.
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Getting the same vibe from this.
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...tiny American flags for others!"
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By all means vote for Obama if you live there, I can only imagine how frustrated your neighbours make you feel. I'm not a citizen so I can't vote. If some a-hole started spouting his political views and it turns out he didn't even VOTE.... well, feel free to tell him to shut his cake hole. His opinion matters as much as a solitary lump of shit in the ocean.
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The dollar is down against the Euro. That doesn't mean that it is "weaker" than the Euro. Because of the ever-rising Euro, inflation is at an all time high in Europe. My wife studied in Europe for one year...and it was extremely expensive! But you're right: We need to rewrite the book if Obama is elected. It seems that some people are dumb enough to elect any inexperienced, unqualified, arrogant prick for the job! Bush was pretty bad (at least, according to the media and their constant coverage of Obama talking points)...but Obama would be INFINITELY worse. He is the 2nd coming of Jimmy Carter -- but with less experience.
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Imagine: Lyin' Joe Biden as VP! He is Dan Quayle part 2! LOL!
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Both McCain and Obama stink!
Obama is far worse. Obama taxes will go through the roof as will good and services due to making it easier for places to organize.
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I had the pleasure of voting today with my 8 year old daughter in tow. She was fascinated as they have been covering this is school for some time.
The funniest part of the day was when I got home, my 2 year old daughter saw my Voting sticker and started running around the house saying "Brock Bobama". Kids -
...will be repaid by his cancellation of the Bush tax cuts (from 2001) + the inflation that will trickle down by his extreme taxation of small businesses and corporations. Obama wants to raise government spending by $1 Trillion dollars over its current level. Where will that money come from? Check your pocketbook next year if Obama is elected.
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However you voted today, this is an historic time, one that future historians will mark as the start of a new direction for America and the world. David Brooks's column in the Times ( http://tinyurl.com/6nmfxy ) goes over this pretty well. It's worth reading no matter what your politics.
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I rocked the vote's Goddamned face off!!
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when Nobama appoints ACLU nutjobs to the Supreme Court. Hate speech, anyone?
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Oh, instead of getting an I've Voted sticker in Australia, we just get a fine if we don't vote.
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What did he lye about. He has always seemed pretty honsest to me. At least he wont lie during a state of the union address making millions think we have to invade a country unprovoked.
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Nov 04, 2008 4:36:24 PM CST
it's congress and the people behind the scenes that run the U.S.
by alienindisguise
Not a single figurehead which is all the president is. All the bullshit both of the candidates are spouting has to be passed first before anything has a chance of changing. Did I vote? Nah, had better things to do.
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http://www.slate.com/id/2198597/
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I want that one!
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http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=31682 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRMzlO5Q2CM http://sweetness-light.com/archive/mccain-camp-lists-joe-bidens-14-lies http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2097423/posts http://blogwonks.com/2008/10/03/joe-biden-lies-his-butt-off-about-obama-meeting-with-dictators/ http://video.aol.com/video-detail/joe-biden-lies-repeatedly-without-even-flinching/3907192939/?icid=VIDURVNWS07 http://brands-of.ashton.345.pl/obama-biden-lies.html http://www.city-data.com/forum/2008-presidential-election/472825-joe-biden-lies-about-acorn-funding.html http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/weblogs/afb/archives/026777.html Do you need a few more?
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It was between a couple of dicks in "No for Obama" t-shirts and anothe dick who clearly disagreed. The cops showed up but a couple of people just up and left until things cooled down.
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...what foreigners think while voting? Seriously, why the fuck should we care about their carping? They should steer their own ship in their own best interests and we should do the same. Why the hell do some moonbats crave foreign approval, especially European approval? Particularly since all the immigration seems to be flowing IN to the U.S. instead of vice-versa...would seem to indicate we're doing something right.
Reminds me of something a former Israel Prime Minister once said: "Israel is not going to cease to exist just so the rest of the world will like us." Damn skippy. Likewise, Americans shouldn't be making decisions about our country's future in order to get a pat on the head from arrogant, condescending foreigners. -
has a Ben Franklin thing going...
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Tried something more my speed... like the new 007 game. Which, in all honesty, is a lot of fun, regardless of what the critics are saying.
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and it's the best: no long lines, no wondering if your name will be on the registration rolls. We got our ballots a few weeks ago; My wife and I spent time going over the ballots in our living room... then took them over to one of the many local, official drop-off boxes. Awesome!Kudos to all those states that support early voting!!OBAMA '08!!
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Nov 04, 2008 4:44:57 PM CST
The Nihilist - because you share this planet with other people?
by amy chasing
What's more socially acceptable, having a BBQ with the neighbours or TPing their house?
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...is minding your own business and expecting others to do the same.
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...let's play a game of hoops in Austin! Seriously! It is some great exercise, and keeps you thin (or even, thinner). Great for the joints too. We can start with a game of horse or 21...before eventually moving to 1-on-1!
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Seriously, I can't understand why anyone with common sense would vote McCain/Palin. Obama has shown alot more presidential qualities than McCain. His policies are actually sensible and balances out the tax brackets (although I do agree that a flat tax may possibly be beter). Palin is the dumbest piece of shit ever to grace US politics and anyone who can defend Bush after these 8 years has their head so far up their ass they have verbal diaaorhea (something most Republican talkheads suffer from).
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McCain in '08! Let Obama get a couple more years of experience...to prove himself and his ideas. Then let him run again. I would consider him...if he changed his ideas. I don't mind change -- but I can't stand expensive, ultra-liberal change without real direction.
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They both want to stay in the wars, they both want offshore drilling rights to be passed, they both plan on spending more, hell, they both say they are the better alternative to Bush.
I'm all for telling people to vote and all, but you're really just voting for the face of the orator who is going to spout the same crap as what the other guy would have said, had he won. And since that is the case, I'd try and get Palin in; at least she's something to look at... -
Hi pot, I'm kettle. Love that colour on you. ;)
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Maybe its because you simply don't understand. McCain is a much better choice that Obama. He has a plan for real change, while 94% of Obama's supporters can't name a single policy decision that he has promised (according to a recent Harvard/TIPP poll). Obama is the worst choice ever introduced by the Democrats. As a man of color, I can state with all certainty that without Oprah...or Obama's skin color...he wouldn't even have made it this far. If Obama was in Biden's body...or Kerry's...or even Gore's...he would have dropped out shortly after beginning his campaign. It is a sad, sad thing that so many people vote without even knowing what their candidate really believes.
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The President is hardly a figurehead... he's 1/3 of the U.S. Government and has veto power for any bill Congress passes. Congress can do all they want, but if the president just vetoes all their bills, then nothing can happen (unless they repeal the veto, which is harder than hell to do most times).The Queen of England is a figurehead leader with no real legislative power... that's why they have Parliament and the Prime Minister.But, here in the states, the president is pretty damn significant. He's not the end-all supreme power, but he's no slouch.Just sayin'.
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...but remember, the Queen of England has the power to call or dissolve Parliment at any time.
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Nov 04, 2008 4:55:24 PM CST
chrism, it's a sad thing that you've only got 2 candidates to ch
by amy chasing
Same situation in Australia, and it's lame. You basically get a choice between the devil you know and the one you don't. Life is never black or white, why does politics have to be...
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...last week in Florida's early voting.
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vote ron paul
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her Governor in Australia can sack our Government. Gotta love power for power's sake.
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FIRED UP!!!READY TO GO!!!
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It would be better to have more candidates, but only elect a candidate with a 50% majority of votes. Bill Clinton never received a 50% majority in either terms. Bush didn't receive a 50% majority in 2000 (although he received a majority in 2004). I think that a majority of votes should be law...in each state.
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Nov 04, 2008 4:59:05 PM CST
Republicans: We just tried it your way--twice
by the reluctant austinite
It's time to try something else. I mean, how does John McCain even run on a platform of "change"? Change from what? Your own party has had the reigns for 8 years. The ecomony was a lot better under Clinton, the last Democrat, whose worst mistake was getting a blowjob and lying about it. That's better than sacrificing the lives of over 4,000 of America's best in a war we were forced into under false pretenses. Why didn't we finish the job of getting Bin Laden first intstead of trying to police the rest of world? That's what America needed most after 911; some closure and justice. For a brief time we had the sympathy and co-operation of the entire world and WE BLEW IT. Thanks, George. Not even McCain supporters can justify the presidency of George W Bush, and they elected him twice. I respect John McCain's service to our country and his experience, but he made a serious judgement error by hiring Sarah Palin after a 15 minute interview just to get a woman (any woman) to get the votes of those who wanted to make history with Hillary Clinton or with a black president. It worked for a few weeks out of shock interest, but ultimately backfired. It's true that corporations and even small businesses will end of feeling a tax pinch under Obama, and some big companies will bail from America to find cheaper labor out of the country because of it. Well, shame on them and fuck them. This country isn't only about getting rich. Obama's plan will help the 95% of the rest of us. The needs of the many---Anyway, what we need is good LEADER, not a good politician.
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Dissolving Parliament? I'll admit... I didn't know that. That'd be a sight to see! :)
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that I hiked my leg up on the voting machine and air guitared while pelvic thrusting.
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As the queen’s representative he is commander-in-chief of the armed forces, can declare war, dissolve parliament, sack the prime minister or any other member of parliament and veto legislation.
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I mean, he can't go 0-for-3, can he? Third time's the charm, right? Right!?! Anyone???
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Ha! Well said. You win the internet. And I really hope you're not kidding!
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and it's my birthday so I'm hoping for a good present
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They heard it was fun being blue. I'm proud to be part of the CoC for Obama!
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Basically saying "because shit ain't gonna change anyway." I had to interuppt and was like, "yeah, your ass along with 30 million other people say the same thing, and that's why shit don't change." And left it at that. Quit being so fucking apathetic, damn.
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Burt Gummer for Obama
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Its too early to tell, but I'm predicting a landslide. My voting place was JAMPACKED with Obama peeps this morning. Not a McBush supporter in sight. Things are looking good. Of course, that is, if the Repugnicons don't steal the election again.
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in a country in which everyone votes, shit don't change. But your way sounds much more pro-active, so I guess you win.
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America is like Oz, man. It's a weird, weird place. It's a place where a word like "liberal" is used as a pejorative.
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Christ. Voting is important - but it's not important enough to come to blows over. Get a grip, people. If you can't act like mature adults, I don't WANT you voting.
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We like America and it's culture; we love the movies, the comics, the books, hell, some of the people are awfully nice. And since 90%+ of the world would vote Obama, I'm assuming you think 90% of the planet is made of "America-hating and jealous foreigners". We are not jealous. But times HAVE changed, a lot, and we need a new mentality and also to work this out together. And about the socialism issue, hell, even the socialist independent candidate said Obama is an evil capitalist.
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He had the best ideas. He made sense to this Okie.
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I would have voted for him
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I want to see your name isappear as soon as Obama is declared the winner. You know? Because you guaranteed a McCain victory and all.
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As for the CoC......Sho Kosugi for Obama!
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I already told you guys a couple days ago that I absentee'd for Obama. But I just saw a woman on TV say that she voted for Obama "primarily because he is black." Are you kidding me?
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site's most gratuitous time wasters. Dude, because you condescend to Hollywood politics, you'll never be invited to one of one the "in crowd"'s fund raising functions. No buffet with Warren Beatty. No barbecue with Sean Penn (every time another of his movies tank, he exploits a "social" p.r. venue). Not even a pie with Soupy Sales.
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Lots of support for the thin man in my VERY red state. By the way, the word liberal in the USofA is now an insult, like baby-killing child molesting hippie commie-fucker. At least that is what I was told I was just for CONSIDERING to vote for M. Night Obama. Ah, the sweet sweet smell of tolerance.
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I was over by where John McCain's HQ is earlier today and you should have seen the media and helicopters hovering around when he went to vote. Pretty cool having my home state Senator almost there. There is a cool buzz around this town today...
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I'll agree that picking Palin wasn't the smartest choice. He would have been better off picking Liberman (which is who he really wanted), however the Consertatives wouldn't have backed him if he picked Liberman, so he had to pick a Consertative. Sometimes politics gets in the way of good decision making and in this case McCain allowed the Republican Party to choose his direction. As for your comment about the economy...it moves slowly. The current crisis was in the making for many years and can't solely be blamed on Bush. Corporations, Congress and consumers have more to do with the state of the economy than a President. Presidents usually just get the blame or the kudos because they are the head of state at the time of hard times or good times. To be a little partisian here...do you think that NAFTA did anything to help the current state of the economy? That was a Clinton deal and it hasn't worked out real well for the workers of our country.
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..would show up on these political threads.God I hope Bam wins so he could shut the fuck up with his empty McCain Rhetoric.Uncle Tom
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But it's NOT to get a pat on the head from foreigners. The world is changing in a fast pace; more and more we will have to work things out TOGETHER, not minding our own business. America's debt is a problema for everyone, speacially since 10% of it is China's. And we need a reasonable president to negociate this all over the world. We like Americans; why would we come to this site if we didn't. It's not about respect, it's about the safety and progress of the world. You sink, we sink together. We sink, you sink together. China decides to step up on the world's economy, we gotta be together.
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Funny name. Election days are definitely really surreal days when you're out driving/walking around. A real cool atmosphere.
But then there are the really annoying things - like the wake-up texts at 6:30 AM from your friends saying "rock the vote!" -smack!- -
Because I can't stand the thought of having an Airhead for President.Of course I'm refering to Palin since ol Johnny won't live out his first term.*shudders*
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I do hope that McCain wins. But if he doesn't, I pray that the next four years aren't as bad as a recent Harvard economist estimated (google it). BTW, I stood on a street corner in Mountain View, CA during a cold rain with a couple of dozen other McCain sponsors (I was the only African American). We received many more thumbs up than we expected from locals in the Bay Area. However, it was sad that so many others spit at us, threw rocks at us and flicked us off. I guess there is nothing as dangerous as a McCain supporter? The saddest sight was when some dads were teaching their little girls how to curse and shoot the bird at us as they drove by. Liberals can be extremely hateful. One even told me to go to "return to Africa, Uncle Tom." Sadly, there were some new American citizens holding signs there with their little girl. What a terrible education to this little girl about the intolerant hatred of angry liberals.
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they would be a friend of mine no longer.
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BVaaaHahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhaahhahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahaaaa..hooooo momma!
You just keep hitting us with the comedy bombs don't you chrrisssm ? (or as you shall now be known bubble boy)
When Obama starts TWO intractable Wars and presides over ANOTHER Recession crippling Economic Cataclysm THEN and ONLY THEN will have done as much as Bush has done to fuck things up.
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Sounds like Karl has gone "rogue" and conceded an early defeat for his guy...
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You'd love it. The same thing, only the conservatives are teaching their kids how to hate the dirty terrorist liberals by spitting, punching, shooting (you head me). You just need a zip code change and you too can join in the fun. Except as an Afircan-American, you would not be accepted by the whole club. Sad but true. People are dicks when they have the numbers, my friend.
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...with the integrity of his campagin against Hillary. The fact that his policies make absolute sense to me is gravy. On the other hand, being someone who is well-educated, comes from the East Coast and lives in California, McCain has made it very clear that in his America, I am not an American. What more is there to say?
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...where does that leave us? Anyone? Anyone?
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I meant (you heard me), not you head me. That means something else entirely. I think.
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Lookin good man...glad the surgery & the diet & everything is workin out for ya..
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Watch the news. If Obama wins...continue to watch the news. Also, check the increase in the prices of goods in your community. Compare the taxes of your pay stub from last year with two years from now. Check the price of energy (gas, electricity) once Obama "bankrupts" the coal industry and raises gas and oil taxes. Check the difference after Obama fulfills his promise to repeal the Bush tax cuts (in effect from 2001-today). Every dime you "save" from his tax plan will be flattened by the loss of the Bush tax cuts and the increase in the prices of goods and services following tax increases to corporations and small businesses. If Obama wins (God forbid), then return in four years and tell me what you thought of him. Yes, Bush set the bar low (at least, according to the often repeated talking point memos of the Democratic Party). However, it CAN go lower. Remember Jimmy Carter?
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Hope you are keeping those sugars steady and low. The complications from this disease are nothing to joke about.
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and please, if people wanted to vote and cared about the issues they would have done it by now, and paid attention to the election the past 18 months. Begging for people to do it now, and "get out and vote" is ridiculous. I don't want people voting, who never gave a shit in the first place and don't know the issues. If you don't know whats going on DONT VOTE. How about that? If you have actually been paying attention, know the issues, are a legal citizen and are paying taxes. . go vote! Otherwise, forget it.
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All these years, I never knew. Not that it really mattered.
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...now lose some weight lard ass!
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The sky was supposed to fall when Bill Clinton was elected, too. It didn't. We will endure. We may even prosper. No matter who wins, it will be an improvement.
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Yes, write in your votes for Cobra Commander guys! It's time for a real fictional character to win...Oh wait all politicians are fictional too...never mind.
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anyone who voted for bush should be ashamed of themselves and mccain is just a seile old man who'll probably kick the bucket before the end of his first term, and then we really will be screwed!!!! palin no thanks!!!
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And shiny bald head.
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also OMABA FTW!
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She/he holds no political power whatsoever. The real power lies in the govt. All our president does beside represent the country is to pass the govts bill and to authorise the dissiloution of the dail. Mary Mcallese is hugely popular. Towards the end of her first term. She had to decided whether to run again. So the papers ran polls. and the choice was unanimous. Mary Mcaleese. Fianna Fail were happy. the opposition wanted to have a proper race. When it became clear that it would be a landslide. The other candidates withdrew accept one Dana. We all know that dana is an oddbod. ON the day of the proposed election, Dana went to the park. So did the lawyers. Dana and her legal team were locked in talks all day. later that evening dana released a statement saying that even though she wanted a race, which would have a given the people of Ireland a choice, she knew that she couldnt win and so withdrew. Dana would have been slaughtered. Mary Mcaleese had the govt machine behind her. So the inaguration happened. and mary Mc aleese has three years left to run in office. as it stands Ali hewson has made it let be known that she would like to run for president. Bertie is thinking about it. The really ominous one however is Gerry adams. Like a McCain presidency an adams presidency is a nightmare scenario....
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..would you be more at ease if I had called you a "Sellout"?The Repugs are the ones who are more hateful of partisan affiliations.They're anti-Black,Homophobic hypocrits and are mosltly liiking out for the rich.McCain was against having a holiday for MLK, a man who was more braver than ol john boy who signed the confession after getting his ass handed to him in the Hanoi Hilton.Oh and he called the vietnamese Gooks until he started his bid for president.So as a African-American, why would you support a party that deems you as inferior?You are seriously disillusioned.Even Colin Powell knew when to give up on the Repugs.BTW was it you who used to post McCain/Condi 2008 years ago? And yes the "go back to Africa, Unlcle Tom" remark was a bit much, so yeah I agree with you on that.
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Harry, here in DC we've got English/Spanish stickers. But I dig your just Spanish one...way cool. Yaaay Obama!
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Gotta love those G4TV Cobra Commander sketches."Yes we shall"!!
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won't go up under McCain, you're kidding yourself. No administration could keep them down over the next decade, let alone 4 years.
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damn that was depressing,especially because he makes a lot of strong points.
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For one reason. There is a just a whiff of america for americans. Obama was born and raised in the US. In McCain and plainly bonkers eyes is unamerican becuase he is different, he looks different, he speaks differently. he is eloquent, cool tempered. etc. Barack obama is not the issue. McCain/palin would tear down anyone who was different. That is why you will never see a latino or hispanic preseident. The republicans will smear him and destroy him too. and god help anyone who happens to either gay or lesbian. They too will be destroyed.
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Don't vote, can't complain.Incidentally, GrandMuffTarkin, one of the best names ever!
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I'm sure you're right about the ecomony. I also don't believe the president has that much to do with how bad or good it is at any given time. He (and his party) does, however, have something to say about military objectives. Even though the economy seems to be the number one issue on the minds of voters today (it's on my mind too; I was one of the many laid off a longtime job this year), it wasn't my primary reason for voting for Obama. I want our reputation in the world community to improve. I live in Kentucky, which always votes conservative and Republican no matter what, so I'm in the minority here, just like Harry and the folks in Austin who vote differently than the rest of Texas. As a rule, I hate politics and politicians, and feel like most of them are power seekers who will say anything to obtain power. I can't honestly say that I'm sure Obama will change the country for the better. I've lived long enough to see many promises made over and over again go unfullfilled. But I'm voting with hope this year. I'm not voting for the lesser of two evils, which is what I've done most of my life. Obama seems even tempered and speaks intelligently. I hope he has the qualities that I'd like to see in a leader of men. The black/ white thing isn't an issue for me. I think the biggest wedge between people in this country isn't race. It's economics.
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you are such a dickwad, this not-passive liberal would take great cathartic pleasure in taking your fingers one at a time in a costa nostra fashion. My nephew attend AZ State and already knows several dozen students well as a freshman, all of them not voting for McCain the doddering old man (and I can say that as I head into younger than him old man-hood) and that twit of a creature Palin, so deserving a loathing, she brings out the vocal non-Church going, pro-choice, pro wolves and moose activists in me.
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It's got to be a landslide if we want to be sure to overcome the effects of shameless and often illegal Republican voter suppression tactics
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Probably what Obama was thinking this morning. He really does sound like The Rock cutting a promo when he talks. But yeah, I helped a brother out today. I'm sure the economy is gonna skyrocket after this.
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maybe Obama can be VP, then once he learns he can run again...
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Yes, indeed. Virginia always matters! Did you see Obama's rally in Manassas last night?FIRED UP!!!READY TO GO!!!
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I have my fingers crossed that Obama wins. Like many Canadians I have family that live in the states and I shudder to think what would happen if McCain wins...
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why it's cool that we have to print stickers with the simple phrase "I voted" in Spanish. Come on now, people!
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What you SERIOUSLY think anyone is going to forget the Economic Catastrophe of the Bailout, Nationalizing the Banks and the Recession any decade soon ???? No fucking chance.
I HAVE been watching the News that's why I KNOW that food and Energy prices have ALREADY rocketed and Unemployment and Foreclosures are soaring and have been for quite some time.
Everyone knows even harder times are almost certainly ahead it's how EITHER (and I'm being fair here because McCain would face the same Recession) Candidate deals with it.
I'll tell you what I THINK will happen. BOTH candidates will roll back on their Election promises when faced with the wrecked Economy inherited from Bush.
McCain has already said we might not have the same entitlements in the future so we know where he will likely place the Axe in light of the actuall Economy and Obama will probably put Education reforms and spending into deep freeze and his Healthcare reforms may also take a hit.
That's me being REALISTIC. And we know exactly why BOTH candidates wouldn't fully answer the question about how their plans would change because of the wrecked Economy at the height of the Election.
Rest assured though once this thing is over Bush is going to take a hurricane of Criticism from Obama OR McCain until inauguration. As BOTH will not want to be tainted by Bush's past mistakes as they start their term.
And you need to get over your amusing obsession with Carter. Shit as he was he simply wasn't (to quote the Simpsons) "The most evil man in History" and his public approval ratings tell a completely different and far more realistic story than your rabid hatred of Carter and strange blind spot and affection for Bush does. -
we couldn't possibly give two fucks about what Canadians think about this election.
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Wow, I was just watching CNN and Wolf Blitzer just introduced a new technology used for the first time on CNN. He interviewed the hologram of reporter from another state. She said she felt like Princess Leia!
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Good to know you're down almost 100. You need to start taking pics at 250.
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how about three fucks?
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Nov 04, 2008 6:28:25 PM CST
its pointless to say the price of good and services will go up
by crazybubba
under obama's administration when he wins. the prices of goods and services always go up no matter whose in charge. Inflations the hidden tax. My cable bill is twice as high as it was in 2000, my grocery bill is higher than was 8yrs. ago and i'm definitely paying a lot more for gas. The real question is do you want the guy who said "the fundamentals of our economy are sound" as wall street was collapsing, who ran an erratic campaign that is being ripped apart by infighting (an anonymous McCain aide called Palin a whackjob) or do you want the guy who had to run a near perfect campaign in order to win, showed grace under fire as he was slandered as an unpatriotic arab terrorist and has united the nation along racial lines in a way that it never has been before. Despite all the slander, polls show that obama has nearly as many white supporters as mccain and hispanics will be voting for him in large numbers even though many of them traditionally vote republican.
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Whoops. *shrugs*Let the next 4 years of bitching commence...
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the fine minds of the Aint-It-Cool talkback forum debating public policy and issues of world leadership. Get ready for 1200 posts that read "John McCain has a beer, cheats on Sarah Palin, and then rips out Obama's eyes, fucks his skull and puts a plant in the empty socket while George Lucas rapes his childhood"
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Is it actually in front of him?
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"Whoever wins, we lose"
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Can you believe that shit? There is even a little red transporter thing on the floor! That pretty much blew my mind.
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I feel the winds of change blowing!
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The Earth is a bitch
We've finished our news
Homo Sapiens have outgrown their use
All the strangers came today
And it looks as though they're here to stay
Oh you pretty things (oh you pretty things)
Don't you know you're driving your
Mamas and papas insane
Let me make it plain
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There's plenty of time to act graceful between now and january.
I voted a straight party ticket here in PA, Democratic all the way. All the fear-mongering, name-calling, and race-baiting in the world wouldn't have gotten me to vote for McSame.
The early polling results are a bit chill-inducing, but I'm holding faith that sanity and lucidity will prevail over ignorance, intimidation and outright despicability.
Here's hoping that tomorrow gives all the right-wing sociopaths (like your friend and mine, JJJJJJJJJIIISSSM THE POST-WHORING NEO-TARD) something to fucking choke on.
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Awesome SAUCE. I want to see a hologram of a hooded Harry, speaking in a low voice, commanding his minions.
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I'm intrigued and not got a TV near me. Could someone post some more info please?
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watching the HOUSE marathon and CNN.
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I'm both shocked and proud to see the images of huge lines of people waiting to make their voice heard. No matter what happens, it's amazing to see people finally getting involved with the political process.
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except for dickdonuts. hahaha What a loser
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Nov 04, 2008 6:51:41 PM CST
Just got back from voting and watching Indiana Jones and the Kin
by jarjar25
Man, what a great film!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nov 04, 2008 6:51:42 PM CST
CNN's hologram tek better than "Star Wars" tek!
by the reluctant austinite
We've already made history tonight. We live in an age where hologram communications technology looks better here and now than it did in the futuristic Star Wars universe. This is officially f***ing exciting.
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... is also the right NOT to vote:
http://praxeology.net/antivoting.htm
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Vive le Roi!
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Here's hoping it brings good change!
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The hologram, that is. They better show it again!
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(in a galaxy far, far away). So it's technically not futuristic at all.
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doubt berserkrl would want to join you anyway.
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So do you have a reasoned refutation of the arguments for the anti-voting position? Or just, you know, clever junior high insults instead?
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The Dave Willis/Scott Jacobson NC Neighbors vid on Youtube?
http://tinyurl.com/6pzecz
I don't know why, but I thought I'd throw that out there, after berserkrl's comment. -
on Comedy Central's site, if any one is interested.
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Good work Harry. Stick with it. You're doing great.
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ahhhh, hehehehe.
vote
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for change
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Finally, some sensible talk on these boards! I too would have loved to have voted for Obama. I was for him until I found out how radical his plans are related to taxes and the economy. The whole lack of experience just sealed the deal. I love a good moderate from either side, but that's not Obama.
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McCain - 34; Obama - 103! This will be over within the hour.
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Nov 04, 2008 7:13:16 PM CST
I can't vote (overseas) but I'll buy a vote, if anyone is sellin
by v'shael
I can't vote (overseas) but I'll buy a vote, if anyone is selling?
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"Finally, some sensible talk on these boards!" By that you mean: Finally, some talk I agree with on these boards.
You want sensible talk, look at posts by anyone who isn't doing the whole fear-mongering & name-calling thing here. Arguably more sensible. -
"You didn't vote so you have no right to complain!" Fuck you. Carlin said it best. if you voted, YOU don't have the right to complain. so sit there and deal with all the fuckups made by the new President with your mouths shut. it's like going to a restaurant, ordering a shit sandwich, eating it, then complaining that your shit sandwich tastes horrible. but sorry fuckers, i want no part of the shit sandwich this country will be eating for the next four years.
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The man is talking sense. If he's insulting you along the way, that's a different issue and one I'm not a part of.
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I agree with the whole right to complain thing. There is nothing that says you are restricted from complaining if you don't vote, and no one can tell you otherwise. I think you should vote, but understand why your not.. don't blame you.
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Because if a country's leader is going to call themselves the leader of the free world then the free world is going to have an opinion on who that leader is. A choice? No. But an interest and an opinion, yes.
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And once again liberals show that they have no ability to practice what they preach and be tolerant of others who don't agree with them. When will that collective group ever grow up? So much for bridging the divide amongst our country.
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I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to have you around for a while and not have to worry about you, much like Uncle Forry, till your 92 rather than 42.
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What if all the candidates on the ballot are people I absolutely despise and regard as dangerous? Do I still have to vote in order to have the right to complain?
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That's the problem with opinions these days - everyone believes that the one they hold is precisely correct and by default the only "sensible" choice.
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Nothing is restricting you from complaining. That's just some self righteous people's way of trying to guilt trip you into voting.
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Not insulting me, that's for sure. But to say he's finally the only sensible talk on these boards isn't particularly correct, or sensible.
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You definately should vote...but no disrespect if you don't. Honestly, there are some dumb-shit yokels out there who don't educate themselves before taking part in the election process, and trust me, I'd rather didn't but it is their right to do so. But even though its their right, it's not their duty. So vote if you feel you shoud, or even if you just want to (I sure did) but don't let any joker make you feel guilty for not doing it either.
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So now you're self righteous enough to tell me I'm wrong? Our opinions differ.. that really doesn't make either of us wrong... it just means we don't agree.
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Well said.
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I'm totally rooting for you Bro. And may I suggest a Handle-Bar Mustache instead of your usual Amish-style beard this time?
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I'm seeing alot of Stephen Colbert attitudes here. Except while he's doing it as a spoof, they're doing it as a point of argument. On Colbert it's funny. With them, it's just sad.
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Nice guy, OBAMA!!!
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Thanks Man.
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You are welcome to your xenophobic opinion, as ignorant and unintelligent as it is... sad really.
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I'm just pointing out there's sensible posts here from both sides of the fence. But you think I said you're wrong, and I know you think me self righteous.
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2 answer the Q "Have You voted?"In Michigan we had very unnatural 71 degree sunny weather and a huge turnout. Like those ads that say to call your doctor if you have an election lasting more than four hours. Well, the lines weren't quite that bad, but the longest I'd ever seen there.We also had medical marijuana and stem cells on the ballot proposals. I always said, put marijuana on the ballot and I'd vote for it. And based on the opposition propaganda, I think stem cell research involves mass producing industrial quantities of clone babies to hack up for medical research. Which I'm for, especially if there's a chance they can cure diabetes in our lifetime.Looking good, Harry - way cool glasses.
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EVEN IF JOHN MCCAIN HATES YOU, HE WILL STILL CALL YOU MY FRIEND
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Anyone else watching the the awsome livefeed coverage on the BBC Site. www.tinyurl.com/5okve5
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You're off with that last post. You never said anything about both sides.. you came after me for calling that guy's post sensible. Don't get upset because I'm answering your posts in a way you don't like when you're the one that brought it up.
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Jjjjjjjjism insisting he's black. Spam bots have no ethnicity.
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I'm not even registered. The idea that if you register to vote then you're more prone to be called for jury duty is bull fucking hot steaming shit. I've been summons 3 times and I'm in my early 40s. I know fuckers that are old that haven't even been summons once, and they registered when they were 18.
I'm not voting for this bullshit system. You fucks just said YES to the $855 billion "I made millions in my business by bending over and shoving my giant black cock in over thousands of people's asses, fucking them out of millions of dollars, can you help me out, bail-out package".
You are voting for a plutocracy. Owned by the wealthy and ran by the wealthy. Pharmacutical adds on every minute, the fucked in the head food pyramid promoted by the zillion dollar meat and dairy industry making everyone fat causing billions for the drug companies, hospitals, and the entire medical industry.
The issues that do not get addressed in this country far out weigh any changes made by switching presidents. Most of the crap either candidate spews has to get a passing vote in congress. So much shit is ignored because there are other so called issues more important.
What a wonderful monopolized two party system. Republicunts and Democraps. It's amazing just how brainwashed sheeple stand in line for over 10 hours "It's worth the wait, to voice my opinion, freedom!"
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Need we further proof of Jjjjjiissssmmm's stupidity? You can't combine left-wing and right-wing slurs and come off as believable. What right-wing extremist would call a black person an "Uncle Tom"? What left-wing extremist would tell a black person to "go back to Africa"? That's like calling someone a "no-good Commie Capitalist".
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So sad. I really wanted one. :(
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Again, I'm not insulted or upset. Why do you assume I am? I don't care how you post, but you continue to argue against my pointing out the other sensible posts here. I wonder why you do?
I assumed when I wrote "look at posts by anyone who isn't doing the whole fear-mongering & name-calling thing here" that that would include people from "both sides of the fence". It's a talkback about an election with 2 parties - you either vote or not, for this or that guy.
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Americans adopt the ideas of Ron Paul. That is real change. I hope his vision finds its way into mainstream america.
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Getting close.
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I'm not backreading your posts when you came after me for a singular comment I made, and that's all I was talking to you about. Where is all this other crap you're talkinga about coming from? Can't we just drop it?
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MNG needs a new pair of shoes!
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I know I'm being a bit of a semantics nazi, but I think we've all learned an important lesson today: Debating something essentially pointless can be more fun than work you're supposed to be doing. Speaking of which, better get back to it. It's been entertaining.
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A return to intelligence. And for the Americans bragging about not voting. FUCK YOU. You are worthless and deserve to not have a voice.
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I get my up to the minute election information with a nice scoop of schadenfreude every 5 seconds...
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Whatever.
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"Nah man, the camera adds a couple...hundred pounds". Just kidding Harry, great to see that you voted and that you've been losing weight. It's a long tough road when it comes to losing weight but it's fantastic to see that you're going through with it. Congrats from a fellow Austinite.
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www.shatnerhasselhoff.com
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I think it's pretty obvious. We're ALL fucked now. Congrats dem idiots.
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Nov 04, 2008 8:50:24 PM CST
Looks like unborn babies will be sucked out by vacuums in record
by geekyscifianimefreak
Will you eat them, Harry?
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from transformers the movie: It's over Mccain. Which is good for me cause i got a whole bag of black jokes i wanna shoot out. Hey Carlos Mencia says I can and he's never wrong... is he?
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And bask in the hopelessness. Eat it like CANDY. Brit Hume babbling incoherently is a thing to behold. They should be happy - they can finally go President hunting again. Let's see how much "treasonous language" they engage in going forward. Then they will be the "loyal opposition", not anti-american.
Ahh, douchy goodness.
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...we're screwed now.
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There will actually be less of them being vacuumed out because sex education is effective. Preaching abstinence and barring preventative measures equals unwanted pregnancies. If you don't believe me, ask Pippi Palin. (Piker, Trekker?? - not sure)
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Oh the despair!
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Election 2008 aftermath talkback!
After all, this is what we've all being waiting for. To make useless comments about something you can no longer change. Just congratulate the winner and be on your way. Or mourn the death of America as you know it, it's a free country. -
Now he doesn't have to marry the slut.
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...of dittohead tears in the evening. Smells like... victory!
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hilarious.
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Nov 04, 2008 9:07:58 PM CST
Just a friendly reminder for the McCain supporters
by fathermcgruderkicksassforthelord
LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.
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The only place in the world where being a "homophobe" or a "racist" is the worst thing in the world. I'm sure all you white kids will be getting your medal from the African community for voting for the black man soon.
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Yeah, I can't wait to see the numbers from the West Coast. Looking good, fellow Socialists!!!
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Congrats on the election of "Beloved Leader". Goodbye to the first amendment with the passage of the "Fairness Doctrine", Goodbye to gun ownership as it appears he might even have the votes to severely restrict it. I for one, look forward to joining the "Civilian National Security Force" and putting on my brown shirt and Jack Boots. Goodbye to the the "right to Privacy" and hello union goons with "card Check" Hello to "Skyrocketing" energy prices (a promise he actually made). I am sure he will pass gloriously the test which Biden guarantees will occur within 6 months. Goodbye Israel, Goodbye Ukraine, Hello President Ahmadinijad, welcome to the white house, would you like some tea? Goodbye oil companies and coal workers, don't worry, you will be taken care of. I hope all of you Obama supporters wildest dreams come true. Goodbye to American Exceptionalism, Hello European mediocrity. Goodbye military, good luck with those 25% budget cuts Barney Frank promised. I could go on, but I don't want to be destroyed like Joe the Plumber. I will never criticize our Beloved Leader again. I don't want a knock on my door.
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for fun
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Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
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for fun
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Wherein a dude who calls himself 'magic ninja' can express an inflammatory opinion in mixed company and not get kicked. Hard.
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Brit Hume really IS crying!! LOLLZ
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Make some hay while the sun shines!
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Somewhere, a field of posies came into bloom.
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They have a nice Socialist policy where you get to share the wealth arising from the collective ownership of the land's resources. You can keep your gun, too.
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Back to the cave, er, home school. Don't worry, I'll pry the gun from your cold, dead hand. I can always use another one.
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Goodbye, delusional fear mongering bullshit. Hello, sanity.
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Thank you, Ohio! Tomorrow, if all goes as expected, Democrats should pause to be grateful that John Kerry didn't get 70,000 more votes in Ohio in 2004. What would have happened if Kerry had won? 1) He would have presided over a slow motion loss, or continuing stalemate, in Iraq. No way Kerry would ever have approved the "surge." 2) He would also have presided over the current housing and financial collapse that has both broken economic growth and, apparently, destroyed any chances of the incumbent party retaining the White House. Democrats don't bear the main blame for this crisis, but is there any reason to think they would have prevented it? I can't think of one. We'd be looking at a Republican wave instead of a Democratic sweep. ..
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Hey buddy, you won. Won't be long til I'm not allowed to make these kinds of posts anymore. Been nice knowing you. We'll discuss the Star Trek movie when it comes out, OK?
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Nov 04, 2008 9:19:11 PM CST
BILL KRISTOL TRYING TO COVER HIS ASS ON THE PALIN QUESTION
by bringingsexyback
Brit of course knows that it was Kristol who pushed Palin into McKKKain's face. Big meltdown at Fox ... LOVE IT!!!
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Palin's running for president in 2012 and the skinheads are now plotting. It's only a matter of time. We've heard of some half ass plots to take out Obama when he was just a candidate. Well it's going to increase now and it only takes one to be serious enough to pull it off.
And you know it'll be documented with the thousands of cameras, cell phones, surveillance, and coverage.
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It's the Palin mentality that forces teens to marry over a pregnancy, would herd all those who don't believe in a god into relocation camps and take away their children, reward the richest over all others, and demolish genuine education, discourse and more. Opposed to your governments military actions? Shut up or be jailed, lose your citizenship. European mediocrity? You fucking boob. As opposed to the glory of strip malls and Wal-mart you STUPID FUCKHEAD. American exceptionlism, like human life gougers Exxon? The sheer wonder of Blackwater? And CRIMINAL FUCKS LIKE DICK CHENEY? Yeah, right. Have you been to Europe, ever?
They are medically superior in many areas of everyday life, home tech is just as sophisticated, hell, even more so than many U.S. homes, unless you're flush with disposable income. Face me any time you piece of floating crap, I've more than ready for it dimtwit. Bet you aren't. -
So, you disagree with some of what I said I take it? I forgot one, hello to infanticide again!
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Thanks for fighting the good fight.
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"blah blah blah two party system blah blah". Yeah, because people like you don't go out and vote for third party candidates. I voted Nader, why can't you?
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when it comes down all that's elemental in the universe.
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...the GOP civil war!!!!!
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Remember, the Clinton presidency was supposed to kill everyone back in the 90s. We're all on borrowed time anyway!!! As John McCain once said, "You don't have to be afraid of an Obama presidency". And then he was booed by the fair-minded crowd that loves him.
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... all the obvious Republican ticket voters whinging about some imagined impending impingement upon their precious civil liberties to be beyond fucking ridiculous.
Just where the fuck have you guys been hiding for the last few years?
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Same to you, no thanks necessary!
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Wow, you live up to your name! Relax, you won, let the hate go. It's like a poison inside you. Yes, I have been to Europe. I wonder what will happen there when the USA is no longer paying for their national defense and Putin starts roaring back towards them, and their Islamic overlords act with impunity?
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Didn't Gore win the popular vote and lost? This is why voting in a fuck up system is meaningless.
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Obama is no Bush. You and your party will not be ostracized by The One. Obama is a true unifier. As much as we will revel in this great victory, we also know that Obama will be reaching out and governing from the Center. So chill out and let's work together.
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How about a little "let's hope for the best" talk, folks? Obama hasn't even gotten officially elected yet and the righties here (and elsewhere) are already declaring this the end of civilization. The Republic survived 8 years of Bush; we'll manage through 8 years of Obama. Hell, maybe we'll even thrive. Get over yourselves and support your new President. I certainly supported Dubya til he went nuts and invaded Iraq...
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A new HBO mini-series coming soon!
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Enjoy your victory. Because from here on out, every minute problem that happens is Obama's fault. And I'd move out of LA if I were you guys. I look for that to be nuked next.
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Thanks for the kind words. I never feared Clinton's presidency, and I wouldn't have feared Hill's either. Hill, Bill, and John all wanted a strong America. Obama wants an America subservient to the UN and the world court. He will make choices based on what is best for the world, as opposed to what is the best for the USA.
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...it has to be noted with some admiration that despite how much we as a country HAVE become trapped by the singular vision of partisan politics......that after all this time, we can still peaceably resolve to respect the authority of the ballot box, whether or not we have the enlightenment that our Founders prayed we might possess.And that is a beautiful thing.
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BSB:
"... So chill out and let's work together.
Except for the next few days, we need to rub more salt into the Right's wounds."
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No time to waste! Just in time for Christmas shopping!! Pony up, wingnuts!!!
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is now "loyal opposition". Same shit they did under Clinton. Character assassination disguised as patriotism. Welcome to The Great Hypocrisy.
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And just have a big cookout and be like, "you know all that shit before I came on board was bogus, right? We can still hang out."
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I haven't heard his name once in weeks especially tonight on any channel. It's not just about the election process, it's about Uncle Scam, Congress, the whole fucking system...you know...blah,blah,blah.
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We have years of abuse catch-up to unleash. Hey, this sadism feels fucking good!
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There is no one worth voting for.
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...is the need for the GOP's defeat to be as crushing as possible -- for its own good. The bigger the rout, the greater the chances are they'll start cleaning the hideous Christian zealots from their midst and reinvent themselves.
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That's funny, cuz that's what the Palistinians claim Obama told them about his "support" for Israel! I can't wait to see what Israel does next.
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You could not be more right!
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Damn, they are obsessed with those two ...
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Whew!
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President Obama will most likely not begin his 1st term (yeah, I said it) by speaking anything that even vaguely resembles "... an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm."
And for that, I give thanks.
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OK 2 questions for you; 1 what the hell is this "civilian national security force" that he proposes? He says it will be as well equipped and funded as the military. Military budget is, what $500 billion annually? How is he paying for it? 2: Where did Barney Frank get that 25% military budget cut idea? There are still barbarians at the gate. Will Obama gut the military? Cuz he never told Frank to shut up about that crap.
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With a wave of his magical cock.
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got get them new shoes!
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You Joke, but I think he really believes it is magic.
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...because the real victory lies over Palin and her ilk. The GOP would be wise to go back to bedrock and work on sorting out their principles.
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On Jan 20th we will have yet another Peaceful, Celebratory Transition of Power.This is the thing that should give all chills & thrills about our democracy.
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Where's it gonna go?
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Truly magical.
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The last time that the Dems had these kind of numbers in the Senate , the House and pres. was Carter and LBJ. Real proud and prosperous moments in our history,
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Everything Bush touched turned to shit. Now THAT'S magic folks!
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So true, so true.
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Good observation!
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waaaaaaaaaah....
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Wasn't it macheesmo?
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Isn't there also a measure to rename a sewage treatment plant after Dubyah' on the San Francisco tonight?
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couldn't explain in depth what the financial crisis was about , why the bailout was needed , and what was the root cause of it. Just blame Bush!! Well , get ready boys , because the blame machine is just getting fired up!
I actually saw a woman say on the local news that if Obama didn't win that she was going to kill somebody. I also saw the Black Panthers trying to stop white people from voting ( in a Democratic precinct in philly , very smat these guys ). Paybacks a bitch. I'm enjoying this victory as when everybody doesn't get their free pony they are going to be pissed off and call your guy there an Uncle Tom. bank on it . -
Sweet! I just saw that 91% of the precincts are reporting and Obama is now at 51%.Set Condition One throughout the Fleet!
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I just need to know it really is a hologram and not a bullshit lame re-defining of the word. But that Will I Am hologram with the purple outline was just neato torpedo. Do we have HOLOGRAM tech nowadays? For real? And cameras can see it? And you can stand and see it?
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Suck it. SUUUUUUUCK IT.
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Someone get a screengrab of this reputed hologram, stat!
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BUT IT'S AWESOME
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Nov 04, 2008 9:54:00 PM CST
FOX News is hilariously sad. Their website is having problems lo
by orionsangels
The Electoral votes still show 0 and it won't stop loading. Also the news is old and earlier from the day. Hannity, Fox and Friends, O'Reilly nowhere to be seen on Fox news
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The stock market is run by rich people. Rich people who are for the most part Republican. Republicans who are unsure of what Obama is going to do. The stock market falls drastically. There is a huge connection between Wall St. and Main St. Things may pick up, that's for sure, but this will not happen right away. If the stock market falls anymore, it may not recover for a long time. All I can say is if Obama wins, he better fix everything. I mean everything, because that is the whole message behind his campaign, that he will. Since we're not idiots here, we know that isn't going to happen, and where does that leave Obama in history? I wish I could jump ahead 50 years and see.
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I actually think that effect is in-camera only, kind of like the weather maps on the news.
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I'm not convinced that Anderson Cooper could actually see him. I feel like he saw him on a television off-screen and it's like an updated version of a green screen. It crops him magically into the camera for us. Maybe I'm wrong, and it doesn't really make it any less cool, but I'm skeptical it was for real.
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Nov 04, 2008 9:55:11 PM CST
The civil rights act was forced upon him and he had to be convin
by macheesmo3
for it. I guess the Vietnam war and al lthe other wonderfull things that happened like increased corporate taxation which began the first influx of outsourcing was great too ? Things work better here when there is some sort of balance between the parties. I'm a conservative , not a neo-con, i don't care about the social stuff and think it has no part in politics. I'm for small govt , less regulations and lower taxation. I basically want Govt to leave me the hell alone. What Bush was , was nothing more than a closet liberal. He increased spending but didn't want to raise taxes. Now Obama will do both. What we need is someone who is willing to take the heat and try and cut some of the chaff away. Not make more of it .( his health plan is a one way ticket to bankruptcy for the nations coffers)
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Makes me mad. I was sure he would win it. Sorry about Texas Harry....
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before all the right wing nutjob paramilitary domestic terrorist start surfacing the way they did during clinton's administration.
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This country is tired of the Christian Right. Terrorist scares, Iraq war. Greddy old white men.
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It's like the holodeck. Computer, commence Elisabitch Hasselbeck program, please.
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Nov 04, 2008 9:56:31 PM CST
Yeah crazybubba as if the president really runs this country
by orionsangels
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A near African-American President elect...holograms......it's like we're living in the future!
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I'd run the Harry Knowles program. Just to talk geek with him.
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I'm sure someone will put the holos on Youtube soon.
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I don't really care right now. Prepare for Obama's big government. It's going to dwarf all others. BE AFRAID
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I know tv shows do that all the time with superimposing, but with the jerky way he was moving and the fact that it is Ted Turner's baby, I suspect it is an actual, albeit crude, hologram. I hope so, man.
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Nov 04, 2008 9:58:20 PM CST
I think the "hologram" is just a high-tech picture-in-picture.
by flim springfield
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That was fucking hysterical! That would be one of the greatest things ever done by a president!
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Holograms are the perfect accompaniment to an Obama win. His was by far the most tech savvy campaign EVA.
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At this rate, those new shoes will be of the 2025 Marty McFly Nike variety!
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The whole crew looks suicidal. Someone give 'em a hand.
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bridging the immense divide Obama. It's your biggest challenge as President. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see you making the necessary sacrifices in your policies to accomplish that. The change isn't going to stop in the midddle, it's going to go too far left and the divide we've had will get even worse. At least Alec Baldwin doesn't have to move out of the country like he said he would in 2000... oh wait...
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I will never be seen again......8;s, 6's, Cindy Crawford, Adriana Lima, Megan Fox, the list goes on.Will need a replicator to fabricate food from pure energy, but then Indefinite Holodeck Survival is Assured.Who will be in YOUR holodeck, MNG?
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Praise the Obama.
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*happy dance*
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the camera relative position to the area it's pointed at. Will I Am was standing in front of a blue screen. The people there don't see him- unless they look at a monitor that brodcasting the final composite. I like the CGI stuff they are virtually projecting. But no, it's not there and 2 it's not real a hologram. No one there can see it, unless they are looking at the final brodcast image. They mapped out the room and the objects in it as well as the cameras relative position in relation to the room and the objects in it. All the objects are recreated as 3d info and so anything they digitally overlap in that area appears to be there as it would be if it was there. When ever they move the camera the program knows where that camera is in the virtual room they mapped out.
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AND CONQUER THE WORLD! I mean...BRING PEACE TO THE WORLD!!
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Europe may be well ahead of the US in many areas of living standards and social policy but South Korea has the greatest percentage of broadband per capita in the world. Even if most of it is used to play Starcraft and WoW.
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I kid!
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Well Done. I'm delighted. Best wishes from an Irishman.
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In your face, ccchhhrrriiisssm!
And CONGRATULATIONS you guys, way to go.
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Way to deliver an election liberal media! Katie Couric is crying she's so happy. lol.
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I'm not sure it's possible to agree or disagree with histrionic nonsense. My litmus test is that if it pisses off GOP apologists, it's probably a good thing. The only thing I'm worried about with an Obama victory is that the republican party will spend all it's energy trying to sabotage America just to heap the blame on President Obama for 2012. Well, good luck with that! Man... "President Obama." I like the way that sounds!
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That just happened! Shake and Bake!
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And god bless ya, NoVA! You came through like a champ. Looks like it's time for me to go shoe shopping. Heh.
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Chicago looks GREAT! Congrats again, I know you guys don't care, but you just earned a LOT of respect. We are proud, really.
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Suck it, Fox News Channel.
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I never thought I'd live to see a Black President in this country.
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Just beautiful.
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Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpten will shut the fuck up now!
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It's a big party over here right now! This is history folks!
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Fuck you, republicans!
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I'm fully covered, bitch!
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Now lets get Prop 1 passed!
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All the antichrist.
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Nov 04, 2008 10:11:27 PM CST
I would consider this "aint it cool news"
by spifftacular squirrel girl
President Obama. I'm feeling all sorts of warm fuzzys right now.
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the racial monkey is off our back.. even though we could have come up with a lot better black candidate than Obama.
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Rev Wright will deliver the introduction and Bill Ayres will provide the fireworks.
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I never expected this to happen now. But, I am so glad that it has. It is a monumental shift in America and race relations. I can only hope that Obama is the leader that we all need.
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Nov 04, 2008 10:13:11 PM CST
ICING ON THE CAKE WOULD BE NORTH CAROLINA, COLORADO
by bringingsexyback
and of course Arizona. Just to punish that racist campaign and send Palin into the eternal abyss.
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President Barack Obama. Holy shit!
Anchorite, ccchhhrrriiissmm, vikingkitty, AnimalStructure and Coughlin's Law, believe me when I say that this comes from the bottom of my heart:
Suck it. Yep, suck it. Suck. It. SUCK IT. SUUUUUUUUCK IT.
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Your site is dead to me
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Nov 04, 2008 10:15:12 PM CST
I THINK KARL ROVE AND BRIT HUME WANT TO GANG RAPE KRISTOL
by bringingsexyback
I say do it, and pass the popcorn.
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Perhaps the funniest thing I've heard all night on one of the news coverage networks from a reporter in Chicago.
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guess they are off sucking their thumbs, now, whimpering in the fetal position.
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That's nice... you're the model for liberals and tolerence everywhere... no wonder our country is so divided when we have people like you to keep us so divided.
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Moose fucking bitchess!!!
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Interesting times indeed.
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I'm sure you've just shattered Harry's ego, hurt his feelings, sent him bawling, etc. The absence of you...just unbearable. GOBAMA!
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...and Ohio and Pennsylvania.
Wow.
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SUCK THE BLACK COCK OF DOOM WINGNUTZ!!!!!
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I teared up. I am proud of this country and I truly hope Obama can live up to his promises.
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You can suck it too. Hard.
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Is that Jesse Jackson crying at Barack's speech? Holy shit
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Looking like 59 at the most they say, if Franken wins
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Congratulations Obama, and all who voted for him.
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Of the I sing.Couldn't be prouder.
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very graceful. Cheers.
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I love you! But seriously.. I want us to all get along, I want our country to heal. You kind of attitude isn't going to help anything. That's the unfortunate thing about many of you liberals.. you're sore losers, and arrogant winners. It doesn't do anything to help your cause or convert anyone to your line of thinking. Obama won a hell of a great campaign. Congrats to him.
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Showed real class.
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FUCKING HOLY SWEET FUCKING MOTHER OF CHRIST ALMIGHTY OBAMA FTW!!!!! SWEET HOLY FUCKING BUSINESS I AM SO FUCKING RELIEVED!!!! AKHAGAGAHGLJHK!!!
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the greatest concession speech of all time.
Kudos to an American hero.
Thank you, Sen John McCain.
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Actions speak louder than words, you dirty ol bastard. We will not forget the shit you slung.
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No doubt about it. Very nice concession speech.
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I loved how the projection went to OBAMA the second the closed polls here in OREGON (and our neighbors in Washington and California!).
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Palin = Douchebag of galactic proportions. And at the end, McCain was gracious.
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He's had a few weeks to prepare it in secret.
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Apparently you weren't watching in 2004 or in 2000. Sore losers abound, my friend.
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Class act. I didn't agree with everything he proposed in his campaign, but he would have been a much better president than Bush, and I know its politics but he looks sterling in defeat. These are the things that make me proud to be an American. I hope these ideas continue.
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You're the cream, man.
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wanting to cut Obama's nuts off to balling like a baby.
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"The last time that the Dems had these kind of numbers in the Senate , the House and pres. was Carter and LBJ. Real proud and prosperous moments in our history,"
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"The last time that the Republicans had the majority of numbers in the Senate , the House and pres was most of the last 8 years. Real proud and prosperous moments in our history."
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I just moved from Alabama to Virginia a little over a month ago. Thank God. Being a Dem in Alabama is...depressing. Just makes this victory so much sweeter. For the record though, my dad's a retired army colonel, and I do have a lot of respect McCain. He's giving a nice concession speech, too.
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Will the rest of the GOP, and in turn, Republican voters, show the same degree of grace as ther candidate just did?
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I mean really. Who in their right mind would vote for that ticket? You're one heart attack or stroke away from a hockey mom being the leader of the free world!
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...concession speech was great. Very moving. Nice to see there is still honor in his heart. Well done.
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Well, the same could be said about the Obama supporters in this thread.. telling Reps. and McCain Supporters to 'Suck It'... they're no better than those booing Obama.
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That looks like it's going to be historic.
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That seemed more like the John McCain from a few years ago instead of the John McCain we had to hear from in the 12 months. Extremely classy even if there seemed to be complete numbskulls in the crowd there.
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Is that from The Rock?
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Now let's see you show those who didn't agree with you the same class and dignity.
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I pretty much feel the same.
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I'm not a liberal. So much for your theory.
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Congrats to you and the O supporters. I hope I was wrong about him.
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I'm not gonna suggest that BSB or DOC should stop if they don't wanna.
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is trending his way ever so slightly. Take a bow, Barry!!!
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What?
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He really took it like a man. Seems like he got disillusioned and sold out, and is probably happy to have it over and done with, one way or another.
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There are plenty of conservatives who post here who I get along fine with. The ones I mentioned are the most obnoxious, heinous, Lee Atwater-masturbating scumbags on AICN.
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I keed, I keed. Its all good, and I do hope that we ALL exhibit the grace that will be required in the coming months and years.
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have demonstrated any of the same in the next four years. Try me again in '08, Bearovingian.
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http://tinyurl.com/2s4cqf
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will I be considered evil, and be punished for it?
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Just magnificent. I'm overwhelmed.
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...Once you're making 250,000 a year. You've got nothing to worry about.
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Then you're just as guilty as they are of keeping the hate alive.
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Nov 04, 2008 10:36:46 PM CST
I am genuinely frightened for the future of this country.
by darthsnoogans
It's great that only forty years after Jim Crow we have managed to elect a black president. Unfortunately, he just happens to be the most far-left, radical, dishonest person that we have ever elected. When we see record joblessness, punishing tax rates, massive federal deficits, and the expansion of the Nanny State over the next few years I can only hope that people will have enough sense to place the blame where it belongs, and I pray that it will be damage that we can recover from.
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DESIST in mentioning assassination, either in reference to its possibility, or to previous instances, RIGHT FUCKING NOW.
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Something tells me he'll be waging a personal war with the religious Right fairly soon. He'll need to work closely with Obama to salvage any of his previous reputation.
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You are insane if you think that number isn't gonna drop way down.
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Nov 04, 2008 10:38:10 PM CST
I thought it was the Molossus theme from TDK
by dracula_wants_the_amulet
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... first of all... YAY!
Secondly, no, it's not a real hologram. You can't see it if you're standing there live. It's an in-camera trick. -
Whoever's chattering away with Chris Mathews mentioned MLK ad Kennedy in the same sentence.
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Because, man, McCain finally delivers a heartfelt speech that shows he is actually a real human, and the crowd reacts like it's a WWE event. He seemed kind of ashamed and pissed off at the way they were reacting. But that speech was one of the few times I've seen McCain talk and actually felt like he meant what he was saying. Still, what kind of moron's only response to a significant history making event is to chant "U! S! A! U! S! A!"?
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because of political affiliations. He bags on idiots. To the enjoyment of many.
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It would've packed some authority if you had ever called out a wingnut's vitriol, but since you didn't, you can spare me the hypocrisy. Thank you for trying!
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Nov 04, 2008 10:41:30 PM CST
If Moriarty's correct about the hologram
by fathermcgruderkicksassforthelord
I'm bummed along with Harry.
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While I may not have voted for you congrats on this moment. This moment was long over due. In all honesty I hope that what I believed prior to this day is proved wrong and I will gladly eat my vote please take care of the country.
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Way to go America!
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Well, one good thing is that with the next presidential election, the dems won't be able to point to Bush policies anymore. That tactic won the election. Bush is pretty useless and he sure helped Obama.
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From the internet community.
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Fuck you, almost die and eat a bag of dicks you fucking piece of misinformed fuck shit.GO OBAMA!!!Harry and Mori, you the men!!!I forgive the shit of the last four years. Somewhat. A few thousand dead soldiers and hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis might differ.
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look at these nasty ass black people and ugly dorks cheering
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Go fucking die in a corner.
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Nov 04, 2008 10:42:54 PM CST
Damage we can recover from ???? Look a-fucking-round you! Jeeees
by g100
Where are all these wingnuts who live in a bubble emerging from ?
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than Grandpa's speech.
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I will pray to your pagan god for you.
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For your enlightening ideas!
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FUCK KENTUCKY AND ALL YOUR REDNECK STATE ASSHOLES!!!EAT A BAG OF DICKS YOU FUCKTARDS!!!
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...back out there in the real world. But THIS IS TALKBACK. There are some notorious shit talking pricks that need to line up and say "ah!" for the cold steel cock of death. Most of them know who they are, and will probably be conspicuously absent from these parts until they receive new talking points from the hive mind. WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?!
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are about to lower the hammer of righteousness on Fat and Curious. Or won't they? We shall see!
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FUCK YOU, FUCKHEAD!!! How's that bag of dicks tasting?
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Happy New Year, everybody!!
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All concession speeches are written days prior and proof read. He doesn't always write them anyways. This ain't from the top of his head. What is he suppose to do?
"Fuck off Barack Hussein Obama!" Of course he's gonna come across as classy. He would ruin the Republican party not being classy. He showed his true colors during the campaign. I can't stand him.
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Nov 04, 2008 10:47:17 PM CST
Now Cheney can go full-on Bond villain from his base in Dubai.
by flim springfield
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and with a red cape!!!!
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You can't fix stupid... so I'm letting it go.
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Everytime I say it I throw up in my mouth.
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Hey yeah...Coughlin?? We know you're here. Come out, come out wherever you are!
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LOVE IT OR FUCKING LEAVE IT
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Nov 04, 2008 10:49:30 PM CST
HEY LOOK, BEAROVINGIAN AND RICHIE HAVE NOTHING TO SAY
by bringingsexyback
to Darth Snoogans and Fat and Curious. Well, so much for the call for grace and dignity - that didn't last long!
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FUCK YEA HARRY!!!! I'M FUCKING LOVING IT!!!!
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Don't be an asshole hater for the next 4 years. We don't have time for petty partisan bullshit anymore. Obama is our president and god knows he needs all the support he can get. I mean I know people are excited about Obama, but he has a serious mess left to him.br>
Lots of libs never gave Bush a chance and I think the irrational hate for the man is in direct proportion to the irrational hate that the cons had for Clinton. I mean that Clinton hate was way over the top in an almost homo-erotic way.There is some serious shit going down and everyone needs to buck-up and pull their weight. That includes fat boys! -
So where is he? I have to work tomorrow but I can't miss this...Speech!!
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I don't even know what you're referring to.
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"I'm ready to kick your ass out of this world..War hero".Hey Snake foreskin, does that line sound familiar?
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Yeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaawwwww!!!!!
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Might make it easier.
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Nov 04, 2008 10:52:00 PM CST
BUFFY I GOT A BIG MANCRUSH ON TALL DARK AND HANDSOME MYSELF
by bringingsexyback
It's all about the O!
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He's just excited and hopped up on his candidate of choice winning--no big deal. And in his defense, I'm a conservative and the Doc and I have never once gotten into a vitriolic tirade with one another. Doc is all kinds of a good bean.
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Whatta great night!!!
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We are all Americans, and this is a truly historic day. We should all celebrate.
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Salt, meet wound!! Wound, salt!
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LLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLZZZZZZZZ
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McCain gave his best speech ever and was a gentleman and yes, an American who understands the possibilities of hope and change exists, unlike you, dunderhead. He attempted to squelch the boos of the boneheads, which surely you would've been one of. Meanwhile, the thought of Palin with any political title makes me puke. I always wanted to visit Alaska someday. Now, not until she's gone.
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I don't hate the man, and I'm glad some old barriers have fallen with his election. I have conerns with some of his more far left platforms. I'll wait and see, but I think its going to be very hard for him to win over conservatives without coming more to the middle. If he could do that, I'd start drinking some of that Obama Kool Aid!!
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They're storming the White House! So awesome. In your face! Face, they be in yours.
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i will admit that but i've never been more happy to see a democrat in the white house (granted I'm 19 but still)
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Our country has made good on its promise, that all men are created equal, that the American Dream is not just a dream, but that it can be a reality for those who could only dream until now.
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barack hussein obama---greatest historical moment of my lifetime
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I am going to quit my job so I can get free Health Care, foodstamps, and free tax credits even though I would not have contributed. Now if I could ever receive my OJ prize.....
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Glad to see you didn't feel I was tacitly including you in that rogue's gallery.
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What a great night for America.
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but alas i'm stuck in central illinois with the wingnuts
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Maybe it's more like Dawn of the Dead from his perspective, though.
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Nov 04, 2008 10:57:09 PM CST
The image of that Alex Ross shirt looks like it's Black Silk
by dracula_wants_the_amulet
Sadly it's just regular cotton:(
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Fabulous!
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Yes, the American promise is that all men are created equal. Obamas promise is that they will be kept that way.
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though I know all the right-winger will be rabid starting tomorrow.
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GOBAMAGO!!!!! This is fuckin' history kids, this is a game changer. Not that he is gonna save the world, but he's a HUGE step in the right direction. The world will love us again, people will get back on track. Its fucking beautiful. Its a sign that there IS hope. neocons, your reign of error is OVER.
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Listening to all the talk coming out of here for the last month, I had my doubts about it.
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with "eat a dick Coughlins"
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Peter Wiggin in Ender's Game when thinking of Obama and his quote to Valentine, "There are times when the world is rearranging itself, and at times like that, the right words can change the world."
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And congrats, by the way. And I would be a liar if I said I didn't feel pretty good and optimistic about this guy's election. Its times like these that I love our constitution.
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LOLLL!
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I think it's safe to say our great great grandchildren will probably be seeing and hearing this speech by Obama going on right now.
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To quote President elect Obama from the Denver convention, "We have had ENOUGH!"
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I'll even contribute to this fake-ass talkback.http://www.aintitcool.com/node/38952 motherfuckers!
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and it will be paid for in the blood of Americans, losses of jobs, the movement of capital to locations that will not have high corporate tax rates, and most importantly, the over inflated hopes of voters that somehow think their lives are going to be so much greater now that Obama is President
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Gee, isn't that what's going on right now anyways? I didn't realize that Obama has been President for the last 8 years.
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It's true, Barry. Greatest campaign ever.
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Yes. It's about goddamn time. Weak foreign policy. Our enemies emoldened abroad. Sticking it to big companies that create jobs and raising taxes to "improve the economy." The 'Civilian National Security Force,' whatever the Fuck that is. Fairness Doctrine. Goddamn, let's light this candle.
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Even he voted for Obama.
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lololol... that's what I tend to think too. Hope I'm wrong.
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on national security issues. Democrats have historically committed the US military to wars much more than Republicans. . . he has no military experience, and will likely see the military as a "policy tool" rather than an aggregate of Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, and Airmen. If I am Putin/Medvedev, I am licking my chops, because I know that a domestic focused Obama Presidency will have no backbone in foreign affairs.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Oh wait I did way up in this talkback! Can't wait to see the video of the celebration in the arab street in a few days.
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Quick - run back to Cobra Citadel and plot the downfall of your enemies!
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I thought she'd be on stage trying to blow him by now.
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The election is in the books ... shouldn't we all stop the whole "He's going to be" rhetoric and instead see where this new president takes us?
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I'm really happy this site isn't biased.
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...talking about the reparations checks they're going to get. I have a very evil feeling that a majority of those that voted for him are expecting the same thing. I am very, very sad about these false expectations and what they mean for the first black President of the United States.
And here I VOTED for Obama.
Please, God let this not be a mistake.
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I'm in a red state, so I wouldn't have helped the victory.
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how well he performs
Personally I think a Pres + Congress dominated by the same party is a bad idea.
It leads to excesses, no matter which party.
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all these people that voted for Obama thinking that their lives would be so much "better" under Obama. . . racism will still exist, people will still need an income, sacrifice will still need to be made. Obama, and for the matter, any lone candidate is not a panacea for global problems. . .too many drank the Kool Aid of this election, and in the words of the "great" American Jeremiah Wright, the chickens will come home to roost soon enough.
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And you know who you are, skulk off to the corner and queue up a tear in your beer.
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and yell out to Jesse in the audience, "You wanna cut em off now fucker?"
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Yes We Can!
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Obama is a piece of shit, it's been proven again and again. Poor, poor USA ... Crybabies like krullboy and James Westfall should atucally read the Obama website proposals on taxes and foreign policy before pissing their pants. Unless you really just want to piss your pants, which I suspect you do.
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Hopefully, its not like citizens for Batman in TDK... we'll get a bunch of guys in Obama masks and guns taking down rich people.
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why not now?
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"But down here; down here is our time." I think Obama just gave a Goonie speech! Hey you gu-uys!!
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This is what Obama has to live up to.Where did this woman get the idea all her problems would go away with anObama presidency. It wasn't from the conservatives... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI
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That's my new nickname for him. He will shit stain this country in the exact same way George Lucas fucked over generations of film lovers. At least it will be cool again to hate the Democrats... very soon.
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I'm so happy!!!!!
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but it's one thing to have a declarative policy that satiates voters, quite another to implement policy that is closer to POTUS' belief system. Obama is a smart, accomplished individual, but for people to think that America and the world is now "different" is completely ridiculous. . .
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He's crying because the big O has succeeded where he has failed so many times... I find that funny. Jesse is a douchebag.
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I dont know what.
Paranoid doorstop?
Scented toilet ring?
Wait - how about misinformed mouthy fucker? "Krullboy For Misinformed Mouthy Fucker"? You must admit, it has a ring about it.
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Oddly enough, all my black friends never once spoke of that. Nor has any of my Hispanic friends.
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I'm almost having flashbacks to when it was first announced that Heath Ledger was going to be the Joker in the new Batman movie and a large number of talkbackers were pretty sure he was going to fuck up the movie. How about actually giving Obama the chance to do something before getting all doom and gloom on us?
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Cause we are fucked
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...was the bullet hitting him square in the forehead. Oh well maybe next speech.
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the Ayers thing was a joke BTW. . .gotta love when political discourse devolves into name calling.
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God Bless this mess.
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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years."
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Did anybody here listen to the clip on the net of Howard Stern's cronies interviewing black people in Harlem? He asked them who they voted for.. when they said 'Obama' he then asked them if it was 'because Obama supports...' and he inserted a McCain policy.. and they all agreed with the McCain policies as Obama's platform? Classic example of why uninformed people shouldn't vote, like Father McGruder says above. So funny, but scary.
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Now would be a good time to bring back The West Wing.
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Love that song.
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Careful... talk like that can get you investigated. No joke to say something that sounds like a threat against the president.
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Wow, that's pretty much EXACTLY the opposite of what you should get from this election.
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I will concede that Obama deserves the opportunity to prove himself. My worry is that the initial portions of the administration will be reactive as opposed to proactive. But as the adage goes, great men (and women) are products of their times, and history will be the ultimate judge
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"Don't speak like that, or they'll wisk you away."
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...and we know how well that ended for him.
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You are a very sad human being, and I feel sorry for you. But on a night like this, even disgusting hate like yours becomes muted by an event of a lifetime.
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shit yeah!
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Ozombo Zombama
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You're the cream, man.
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Read my posts, I opposed Obama totally, but shut the fuck up with that kind of talk. The Secret Service takes that shit seriously. So do I.
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I'm relieved that McCain and Palin aren't going to be calling the shots and that we got to cull a few wingbats out of the senate and house. I think its just as good for the GOP as Democrats.
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The Times They Are A-Changin'
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And I will fully admit that I was wrong about Obama if things don't pick up after his term is over. Hopefully things will move on and work out for the better.
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Please.... it's like joking about having a gun on a plane. Certain things are instantly taken seriously. I don't care or even agree so don't try to insult me about it.
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Harry Potter Knowles. Grats on the weight loss so far.
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Sadly that did cross my mind just right after I hit the post button. HOpefully Obama stays far far away from either of the Olsen Twins and he should be all right.
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Kudos to you to be the first Obama supporter I've noticed in this talkback that is open to the possibility he might not be able to fulfill his duties... RESPECT
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Murtha calls US Marines cold blooded killers, is proven wrong, calls his own constituents racists and rednecks, and STILL wipes his opponent at the polls. What the hell is wrong with you dems? That guy needs to be gone yesterday. He is a disgrace to the United States.
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IF Obama can't turn things around and is as incompetent and somehow manages to fuck everything up as much as Bush has THEN people might listen to you.
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I should have said promises.. sorry.
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No, McCain would tear down his opponent in the election! McCain didn't run for president to stop Obama. Was he supposed to tell people to vote for Obama? Idiocy.
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I really believe that Obama will be very open and honest with the nation on every choice he makes, and he will listen to the people. I picture him waking up every morning as our President thinking "What can We do for our Country" and instead of just pondering it. He seeks those out who can see it happen. He will live up to the hype. You'll see.
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Way to go, dun.
Congratulations on being the base-reading for tb douchebag and enjoy the all expense-paid trip to central booking.
And here I felt like a dick for calling poor krullboy nasty names.
On that note, I'm done for the night. Again, congratulations to President-Elect Obama and Joe Biden, and to everyone here who voted for the candidate they believed in, whomever it may have been. -
who was a Republican.
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What a fucking idiot. Harry, send his IP address to the feds. dundundles... what an un-American thing to say. It's time people like you accept some responsibility for things you say on the internet.
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Hate to break it to you, but, um..."threatening" another human being, directly or indirectly is called assault. Furthermore, the government (under Dubya) was the ones that began to go overkill on the post 9/11 surveillence.
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Good god, you guys get so butt hurt. I think he'll do great for our country, honestly. But him being the first black president, don't you think the secret service is taking the applications for more security. They have to be worried as shit with all the angry racist yokels in this country. Don't be so naive to think that it is not possible. I was very close to voting for him. But in the end, I felt McCain's Iraq policies would have been better.
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It was completely frackin' awesome that there were so many people that took the time to vote today. First time ever I didn't mind having to wait in a long line.
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Obviously, Redshirt and others now posting (where's Coughlin the dung-brain?), will just rant rather than seek common ground to acheive a world where yes, one can enjoy success, but not at the expense of those who are economically destroyed by the the past 7 to 8 years. I'm not talking about the non-taxing-paying welfare whatevers. Obama will assemble (and no doubt already has, to a great degree) a wider array of advisors, from economics to foreign affairs. I wouldn't be surprised if Colin Powell, for example is brought on board.
And Warren Buffet (who of course knows nothing about finance). So as you Sith neo-cons retreat to plot another way to destroy the middle class, oppress all those who think different, the rest of us are looking at, yeah, hope and different world, too. Not with the inaguration. Not a month after. Or two months after. But step by step. And should my little corner of that world change where I make over 250K or even 150K and have to pay more taxes as a result to create a better place for children to grow up in, I will gladly do that. -
Your post suggests that things couldn't get any worse than under Bush. Obama could fuck things up way worse than Bush ever dreamed.
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That kind of political optimism escapes me. Even candidates I support, I question. Government and politics is dirty business, and Obama is not immune to that. He still has questionable associations that he never has fully explained adequately. He is a politician... and all politicians should be questioned.
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People are acting like he's the second coming and will crap $100 bills and piss champagne.
I voted for Obama because I want people in America to have a role model that can inspire and identify with. Not a rich old white guy with 12 houses and a WASP-ish wife with tons of plastic surgery. Period. -
time is exactly the same thing as being one today.
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Furiously backpedaling. You are a sad pathetic creature.
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... it's your responsibility. Ban him and announce it to the whole talk back. And Dunbundles... it's not a socialist viewpoint suggesting so. It's American and patriotic to suggest throwing an idiot like you out.
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Our phones will no longer be tapped.
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I hope you get hit by a bus, but I don't wish death on you, just a karmic injury.
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Or is that double-chins?
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I was hoping to laugh at that asshole chode Coughlin, but I guess laughing at Dun is good enough. What would an AICN TB be without an asshole chode?
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Nov 04, 2008 11:40:11 PM CST
I can't wait to watch The Colbert Report tomorrow
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It should be classic.
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So he recycles them.
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FINALLY, we shall have peace. I like this poster too. Actually I like it better than the superman motif. http://tinyurl.com/63xw6k
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To quote Agent Smith from the end of The Matrix Revolutions.
The campaign seemed to be going on forever and I'm glad it ended with a Democratic victory.
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but lets all be honest....any democrat would have won.....the country just proved their sick of republicans.... but politicians are politicians... and politics will rule over "hope"..id laugh if the economy instantly improves and he gets the troops out of iraq, proving it was all just rebublican BS
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I completely agree. It almost brought a tear to my eye to see so many people get involved. I just hope it's for the right reasons.
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If you think the Americommies are going to let go of the Patriot Act now that THEY'RE in power, you are saddly fucking mistaken. Suddenly, inexplicably, out of nowhere, they're about to realize what a necessary tool it is.
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Time will tell. I voted obmama, and all the white boys are cryin'
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First, I am not going to criticize your vote; that is your choice and people in the military fight to preserve that freedom. My question to you is this: since when is it a sin or a disqualification to be financially sucessful in life?
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Back peddle all you want. Accept some responsibility.
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www.mymavra.com
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Boy, Obama is probably thanking god he's a black man, because if he were a white man with his one-ply thin resume, he wouldn't have made it past the primary. America DID NOT vote AGAINST McCain, they voted AGAINST BUSH. But whites voted for Obama to exorcise their white colonial guilt complex, and blacks voted in a 97% block not for Obama's policies, but because of half of his race. This whole thing is Kindergarten symbolism without any substance, and America will pay for it in spades. Welcome to Mugabe country.
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... and I think the job is too big for him; but he is the president elect. We can't be saying crap like that Dunbundles. It's jsut plain stupid... not to mention a federal offense.
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Nov 04, 2008 11:44:08 PM CST
LOOKS LIKE DUNDUNDLES FOLLOWING ANCHORITE'S FOOTSTEPS
by bringingsexyback
Keep your assassination fantasies to yourself, genius.
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God I can't wait to hear them tomorrow. Hannity may kill himself on air. And nothing of value will be lost.
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Way to go. I hope the secret service allots enough time to sift through all the posts about Optimus Prime's flaming nipples and dead raped chocolate pussy juice covered deer.
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America has spoken!!! Good for you Harry!!! Let the healing begin!!!
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I wouldn't bet on that...
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Seriously, though, do we hand over our wallets now or wait a little while?
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from Obama's speech that would have made it the best ever - should have played him off with "Eye of the Tiger".
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Yaaay.. lets pat each other on the back & suck each other dicks for 3 years and then start campaigning again, just like the last regime.
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Capitalism is the system this country has thrived off of for hundreds of years, and its what drives this country as we know it. Everyone is acting like being rich is a crime, therefore you get taxed more, and the wealth gets spread around. That's a shame.
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Love it or leave it you nazi rush limbaugh fucks!!!!! Better dead than Red State!!! and lets all be nice and try to get along this time, or maybe Obama will decide he's a compasionate anti-conservative. If there was any justice, Obama would make repuplicians feel as bad as I did for eight years, but rush limbaugh says you have to support the gument no matter what they do, so bend over and get busy supportin you fascist fucks. This was the nicest post I could come up with. 2004 is still a fresh wound for me.
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I'm perfectly happy that we had a pretty clear-cut win here. It was probably needed considering the shrill accusations for eight years that GWB "stole" the election. That being said, perhaps those with their raving lunatic, pathological hatred of GWB will regain enough of their sanity to realize that you've just elected a socialist who won't be able to provide one percent of the freebies he's promised you.
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I don't think that Dundundles was wishing that it would happen, but meant he/she wouldn't have been surprised if it had. At least that's how I took it, and I hope that's what was meant. Because at the end of the day, I wouldn't have been surprised either. There were a LOT of people in that crowd. It is very tough to stop one very determined person. I only hope and pray that with Obama's election that we have moved beyond something like that happening, but honestly, it wouldn't surprise me. Cheney brought out a lot of hatred from people, but a black man as President just may be too much for some nut from the White Power crowd. Enrollment in the KKK has gone up over the past 2 years while employment and home ownership have declined. I voted for Obama and I wouldn't want any politician to be assassinated, but times are very desperate for a lot of angry white dudes who lost their jobs and are losing their homes.
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Well, you got what you wanted, now we ALL will have to live with it.
Bring home the troops so you can destabilize the region even more. Nothing done halfassed works. Spend money like crazy and make todays economy look like a gravy train...whoo hoooo. Yeah Obama, whoo hoo. Our next Prez has no experience at all, 140 days in the Senate, whooo hooo. Our kids and grandkids will have to go back to the mid-east to fight a bloodier war..whoo hooo. National Healthcare that wont work..whoo hooo. Give lazy pukes the fruit of the workers labor...whoo hooo.
Like I've been saying, if you want to talk politics Harry, start an "Aint Politics Cool" board as they have ZERO place on a site meant for movie buffs. You made your beds, now lay in them. -
I like how your post just assumes that since rich people have more money, you can just take as much from them as you wish, like you are entitled to it. I am not a rich man, but my customers are. That is one thing you fail to understand. Every dollar extra you take from them is a dollar they don't have to spend with me or thousands of other small businesses around the country. I am glad you would happily pay more, guess what? even if you only pay 36% you will pay more when your income rises. Why does the rate itself have to go up? Google the laffer curve. The last 2 tax cuts resulted in increased tax revenue. Raising rates will decrease revenue. Unlike you, most rich people resent extra taxation, and their lawyers and accountants are smarter than government lawyers and accountants. They will always figure out ways to hide money. Lower their rates and give them incentives to cooperate. Obama admitted this was true in an interview, but said it was more about fairness than revenue. Do you agree?
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Sideshow Collectibles Redistribution. Socialism FTW!!!!
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Eat Them!!! If you can read this you've probably already lost the CLASS WAR!!!!!
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Michelle Obama as first lady is like having Hilary there all over again, only without the gay allegations. If nothing else, we'll get some good comedy out of it. SNL's ratings will plummet without Sarah Palin to pick on.
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...this place is awash in dittohead scumbag tears! It's like the end of Dune!
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that's all i got folks. this talkback needs to be saved for the futua
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he placed a lot of conservatives in key positions on the harvard law review board, even though they were in the minority at the law school,which pissed off a lot of the liberals in the school.
I'm not saying he should do that as president, but These whiny, elitist right-wing nut jobs who think they should be able decide who is worthy of voting and whose not should give the paranoid hate-mongering a rest and take a legitimate look at the man.
Barry's a pragmatist, he's going to govern from the center (mostly). The truth is, he'll probably end up pissing of a lot of left-wingers (unfortunately), but the right-wing zealots will never let their blinding hate filled ignorance recognize that fact. -
Never, and none at all. And as a army brat, I'd never, ever try to cheapen the sacrifice of servicemen an women. But in answer to your question, the old rich guys of America(which unfortunately tend to be white) have spoken for the last 8 years. I'm ready to give someone else a shot.
I just hope everyone else feels the same way, and isn't expecting a handout. This is still America, and you still have to work for your success. Just as Obama did. -
I remember watching his win speech as Senator. History has shown that there are some men who have lead this country differently than others, Obama feels like one of them. It's hard to join any political faction and not collect a past full of questionable decisions and associations through that marriage. Not everyone who serves cares. I'm no foolish enough to believe that. But I honestly believe Obama cares.
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Also, let's face it, Obama is wealthy, as is his wife, and had he chosen to work in the private sector, he would be even more wealthy. I know people like Paris Hilton "fall into money", but why criticize people that invest in secondary education, business ventures, etc.? I don't know about anyone else, but I hope that when I am 72 I have sound finances that are function of my own financial planning and sacrifice
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...a CYNICAL world. It was great to hear both McCain's speech and Obama's, both hoping for unity of the country.
It's easy to pass off words of hope as without substance, rather just mere hyperbole to win an election. It's the way the country thinks today. So guys like Psalmolive and what not... you're part of the problem.
Even McCain basically said that the election is over, now it's time to change.
Time will tell if Obama is TRULY that change. But damn us all if we were to turn our cynical backs on words of hope, change, and progress. The nation has spoken. A nation that's heard every speech known to fall from a politician's mouth. Thus, we've heard the bullshit over and over.
The nation has spoken and only time will tell. Be proud that our country has had the balls to push aside cynicism and believe... believe like we haven't in quite some time. Time will tell the true story, but at least we were brave enough to act on our hope for a better tomorrow. -
We're celebratin'!!! The only people discussing policy are Brit Hume and, well, wingnuts.
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but, for example, when Bill Gates began to really rake it in and was doing nothing for others in the way of charitable causes, etc. he got a talking to about social responsibility...and listened. Yeah, I've been one pissed off fuck about job loss multiple times during this current administration horror and when people said, you can't blame Bush, I said, why not? After all they blamed Clinton for everything when he was just getting his dick sucked. I'll take that again if it means I'm out of severe economic woes. Go ahead and call that wrong. Because I know if I was making what I used to make in 1999 and 2000 even now, with inflation and such, I'd be donating money and time to, as they are called, "good works." You wanna make oodles of cash and ignore the world around you, go ahead. But when someone poor, angry and most of all desperate brings a pipe down on your skull because trickle-down does not work, maybe you'll get it then. Do I think things will be magically fixed by next spring, summer? Of course not. But the door is opened to new vision now.
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One of the greatest days in US history. A great man. A historic victory. A LOT of work to do. Let's go!!
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Govern from the center? Really? I didn't get that at all during his campaign, or I would have voted for him.
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...When THE CLEVELAND SHOW debuts on Fox!
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On this TB. Harry, Mori, free the Liberal Warrior! Let the rampaging black rhino's loose!
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Wishing Hannity's on-air suicide, multiple utterances of "fuckers" and "scumbags" while referring to those of a different political ilk, dick references...what classy responses. It doesn't matter who we elect President, as long as childish attitudes like those displayed here prevail, America will never truly change. Grow up, people.
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then open your mouth. end of story
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One more thing to point out, which is not so serious, but may be serious depending on its importance to you- there is nothing funny about Obama. Late night talk show hosts and comedy shows have lost their bread and butter. I wonder if you can even joke about Obama? Or is it racist to do so? If there is one good thing to come out of this, its that Spike Lee's movie career of creating "black people against white authority" films are finished. This may be the day the laughter died, but thank god its the day racism died because a lot of race and tolerance organizations are going to go BUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO MORE ARGUMENTS NOW THAT A BLACK MAN IS PRESIDENT THANK GOD.
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Fuck is up with that face?
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The other thing that bothers me is defining 'rich' as 250k. that's not a lot of money these days, and if a small business owner has one good year and reaches that threshold, he can't put money away for a rainy day as a reward for doing well.. he goes into a higher tax bracket and it gets redistributed. I think that's a significant problem that will take away ambition for people to grow their business.. especially small business.
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Damn you, your last couple of posts (especially about the Secret Service having to look through posts about optimus prime flaming nipples) made me laugh enough that it kinda hurt. Thanks for that.
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a black man. its weird. i have several half black half white friends and not once have i ever heard them refer to themselves as black men. if someone asks them if they are black they usually say no im half or no my mom/dad was. I like the fact that ive never met a racist person of mixed race. Another reason why obama would make a good choice for president. But i wonder how people would react if Obama were to refer to himself as a "white man"?
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O'Reilly. Only Ann Coulter is worse.
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He looks like a Weasley!
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You guys don't get it. I don't really care that Obama one- if that is the people's choice, so be it. What SCARES me though is that this is the exact same type of movement that brought Hitler into power, and the communists before that. This was a election whose outcome was based entirely on emotion. I do not believe for a moment that people were guided by issues this election- they responded to a product. I know, I know, Obama is a good guy. I'm sure he is. But doesn't it scare you that a guy can come into power in this country THIS way? I know that this is going to fall along party lines and the liberals/democrats in the group are going to say i'm nuts, but I am dead serious. From the posters, to the brand name, the slogans- it's a product.
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Don't start taking AFFIRMATIVE ACTION and WHITE GUILT out your racist ass!
A retarded WHITE GUY was running the country for the last 8 years. Now that's what I call Affirmative Action!
Check your stats, Affirmative Action longer exists,except for narrow minded white people who continue to watch their power slip away.
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IF or until I see Obama fuck up that much and achieve Bush's disapproval ratings I'll treat the desperate partisan prophecies of unmitigated DOOM with the contempt they deserve.
Read up. I already stated how unrealistic some of the expectations are as well as the likely consequences of inheriting the Economic Catastrophe from Bush.
You'll need to do better than than the cheap and ultimately ineffectual negativity and smears that tainted and sank McCains Campaign.
But cheer up. You can now take part in the Republican shouting match over where the Party goes next. Who will you blame ? McCain or Palin ? Who gets the whip hand ? The NeoCons or the Moderates ? That is entirely in your and the Republicans hands now. So make the most of that power as it's the only power you or they will have for years to come. -
It's a weird feeling, trying to get used to it. A lot of gloom from the last eight years is finally melting away. Anyway, it's weird that you got rid of your beard. I just grew one. The world is definitely changing....for the better.
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We must eliminate all dissenting voices because of racism and for change NOW!
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Nov 05, 2008 12:00:03 AM CST
McCain's military service was enough to blow his chances.
by bob cryptonight
Military service has no bearing on a guy's ability to be an effective president. At most it shows that he is easily programmable to do a master's bidding. And spending time in a P.O.W. camp is nothing to brag about. Sure, God bless him for enduring it, but more than likely the guy has some emotional issues in the aftermath. There are less thing for him to break in the Senate.
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So, we don't now have a black president-elect? Well shit, I guess Jesse will be pissed.. but the blacks got Tiger Woods in the racial draft, so maybe the Republicans can save face by getting Obama for the white race.
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Did any of you just hear that acceptance speech? It was really fucking moving. I'm old enough to know most acceptance speeches are a lot of backslapping and posturing. His speech wasn't about HIM winning. It was about US. It was positive and forward thinking. Sorry, but I'm just not used to this kinda talk from my politicians. To the people out there full of hate over this, your way of thinking is now, officially, a dying ideology. The human race has entered the 21st century tonight. I'm glad we finally made it and that the whole world supports this symbol of our evolution as a people.
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Nov 05, 2008 12:00:37 AM CST
US goes from "ultra-conservative" to just "conservative".
by flim springfield
Don't expect much real change, people.
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Nov 05, 2008 12:01:31 AM CST
crankyolduy, good points, but Bill Gates is one thing,
by krullboyisback
a CEO of a regional corporation is something else. I come a very poor family of simple means. My mom was on WIC when I was growing up, and others in my family were on welfare for a long time. . . but once our family got our act together collectively, outside of government assistance, things changed for the better. Growing up, I was not envious of people in the upper middle class, I cared about accomplishing things on my own merits, not any feeling of entitlement.
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Cotton, you're nuts.
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DAMN. This is awesome. GO OBAMA. Now, if they can only hurry up and tell us if we've turned North Carolina blue, I'll be happy.
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Did anyone else think the crowd calling back "Yes we can" during his speech was a bit creepy. Reminded me of a some kind of big tent religeous revival. Hallelujah! Amen!
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If you voted for George W. Bush in either of the last two elections STFU! You are not credible.
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Since you're watching, has Hume, hollow-eyed and distant, began absent-mindedly scratching at the flesh of his arms with a broken ballpoint pen yet?
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FAAREEEKY!
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If you're WHITE. Everything was already given to you at birth. It's call BIRTH RIGHT, asshole. That's what makes it RIGHT 2B WHITE!
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Campaign McCain was shed and the old, likable McCain returned in that gracious concession speech. The crowds in NYC, Chicago and DC were incredible. Obama's speech was great. And the Dems did not get the filibuster proof majority. All good news for American. Now the hard work begins.
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It will take more than a speech to get me excited from any candidate. Question these guys.. they're all shady, and they talk out of both sides of their mouth. Let's see what his actions say.. not his words. Walk the talk, B.
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...for the Obama presidency. I know you haters want to see a Fox News meltdown, but they have been very gracious in defeat. Too bad you can't be gracious in victory, or a least a little humble.
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Because guess what, Lars Von Trier spells out what's going to happen to the USA in that film. You are all totally and irrevocably screwed.
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I think Brit's looking to split Kristol's head open so he could eat his brain. The Right's gonna be cannibalizing itself very quickly I think!
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End of story my ass. You have no idea who the hell I am or what my life has been. My living depends on rich people spending loads of money with me, and my industry is the very first one to suffer when their money is tight (luxury goods). I support a family, pay insurance and mortgage and am lucky to have money left over. My story is in no way unique. What do you think rich people do with their cash? Put it in their bank? No, they spend it it and invest it. Obama thinks that money is better sent to the government rather than put back into the economy directly.
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Men are still in power... oh, wait. We knew that months ago.Should there be a TB about the Prop-8 outcome?
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Well said. On a side note, all this talk about Conservative Fox News. Liberals have every media outlet around.. why can't conservatives have fox news without being criticized? Friggin' double standard!!!
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I wonder how bad you'd have to piss off your boss in the secret service to be assigned the job of screening AICN talkbacks for assassination plots. Actually now that I think of it, I wonder if MCMXVLIII (or however it's spelled) is that guy.
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Hey, good for you, it doesn't change a thing.
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Nov 05, 2008 12:08:51 AM CST
RE: The human race has entered the 21st century tonight
by krullboyisback
Sorry, but I do not agree. . US politics maybe, but not globally. Go visit Darfur, Tibet, Russia, Iran, Iraq, Southern Thailand. The world is an amazing place, but there is still a lot of crazy things out there
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Talkback's over. 'Night all.
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Because you must be awfully young not to remember the rapture of the republicans over Reagan by his second term. And you surely seem to be ignoring the near deification of Reagan nowadays by republicans. People are excited and enthusiastic. What the hell is wrong with that? Oh, when Palin caused people to name babies after her, or had women weeping at her rallys, I guess that was ok?
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It's unfeasible.
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i keep hearing about. I think from all the hype its gonna be the tickle me elmo of this holiday season
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again, you need to walk in another man's shoes. I never thought I'd face an ageist, ugly world as I have in the past five years especially. I had hopes for a recent job interview and (at least) got an email back from one of the interviewers saying they needed someone "fresher" (read younger) without family obligations. That's probably illegal, but who can afford to fight that. And that's just a recent experience. True, I don't know your whole story either, but mine in recent years has left me, yeah, angry beyond anything I ever imagined in my life and I know some days I'm a violent powderkeg waiting to happen also. I admit it. I also have no money to pay for anger management BTW, since the company I work for part-time eliminated our insurance this year and we can only afford right now to insurance my wife and our son with the right care. I'm on an plan that's wretched. Anything severe happens that's life-threatening, I'm gone. That's no joke or hyperbole. Because I know the state of insurance companies and coverage. And that's just part of it.
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Obama barely edges McCain... not that it matters.
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It's society that causes the rip. "Mulattoes' are human and have the same self doubts as anyone. It's the world around them that reminds them of it. (case In point. . .you). I think it's you with the self hate.
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Nov 05, 2008 12:11:21 AM CST
Sadly he won't be as good as President Camacho
by spifftacular squirrel girl
President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion. Sigh.
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tonight I'm more optimistic about everything than I've been in a long, long time.
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Yes we did! :)
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Can we still call it the White House?
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...and watching Obama's speech tonight left me tearful and speechless. It was a wonderful moment, and I have high hopes that he will transcend partisan bickering and do something truly great as President. He may disappoint me in that, but I am willing to give him a chance because he has earned my respect.
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I love this!!!! GROUNDBREAKING!!! PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!!
I was hoping he would have come out wearing a daishiki, and spread his arms up to the sky and yell...CANNNNN YOOUUUUUUU DIIIIGGG IIIIT!!!!!!!
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Obama was elected because the media told us he was black (which he's not), which in turn means that if you're white and you don't vote for him, you are somehow a racist. this type of thinking has been seeping into our society since i was a kid, and this is the final culmination of it. white guilt put Obama into office, and nothing else. the man has no experience, and has been flat-out lying to the public about his so-called tax cuts (which are actually a one time tax credit, just like Bush did). Howard Stern's bit that he did on his show illustrates perfectly how little people actually know about this dude (you know, the one where he asked people if they were voting frr Obama because he was black, or because [insert random McCain policy here]. not one of them realized they were being tricked, because not one of them knows anything about Obama, other than "he's black". i am tempted to say that it can't get any worse anyway, but i am afraid that it can get much, much worse...
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'Nuff said.
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Nov 05, 2008 12:14:07 AM CST
JESUS, REDSHIRT - THOSE TAX CUTS WERE GONNA SUNSET IN 2010
by bringingsexyback
anyway. You make it sound like Obama's gonna take money out of your bank account and deposit it into mine. Heh. Heh. Heh.
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I can spot a closest fascist easily. END OF FUCKING STORY.
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This is a great day. We are all a part of one of the most historic events in U.S. history. This is such a hippy thing to sat, but the world just became a better place.
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and I am sorry about the things you are struggling with. My mom and stepdad work in the insurance industry and it is really up in the air. I think the critical issue is how do we balance self-initiated opportunity with government responsibility to assist those at a socio-economic disadvantage?
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I reach out the hand of friendship to you. Just as it is with one of my brother-in-laws, we agree to disagree and eventually find our common ground.
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Whew!
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Obama is bringing back some form of Hope. After 8 years, we all deserve it. However, there are those who want this country to stay the way it is, so they can loath in it.
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America is Dead. And if you guys think Obama is going to make good on his campaign promises, you're sorely deluded. Just watch and see.
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you would know Epic Failure.
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and torture them with cattle prods? That's what I read in the secret Obama agenda e-mail ...
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Insurance/health care here is very fucked up, indeed. we have a friend in the UK who uses their system, yet also pay for the possibility of greater troubles should they arise. And he says it works for him and his partner (yeah, he is, big deal).
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First thing, are you talking to me or Krull? I'm sorry about your situation, insurance sucks for sure, but look at England or Canada! Mark Steyn quips that the wait time for a bed to have a baby in Canada is 10 months! I made the decision as a young man to join the family business, we have had major expansions and painful contractions over the years. It has been hard and I have had to not take paychecks too many times too count. The positive is I control my destiny more than any man that works for someone else. I honestly wish you success, but I honestly feel that Obama won't give it to you.
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In the heat of the campaign, and at the height of the results, I became a little irritated. And I made a stupid decision to post a sick comment on what I thought was kinda funny at the time. I have since realized that it isn't funny, and I am very serious about this. I thought about what I said, and I regret it.
I sincerely do think Obama will do great in the office. And I really do wish him the best. I wish him no ill-will whatsoever. To make a remark like I did was wrong.
I am apologizing to every talkbacker who was or was not offended by my comment. Albeit an ignorant and thoughtless remark on my part. So I hope you can all forgive me of my carelessness and stupidity. I am sorry. And no it is not because of fear that I say this, After sitting on it for a little while, I simply have realized that I made a mistake. Forgive me. I will leave it be. Sorry. -
And just like the "winners" on that show, Obama's success will be short-lived and ultimately a big joke.
Watch President Super Jesus after January as the pixie dust wears off and reality sets in. It's going to be epic fail after epic fail.
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because he's not nearly as retarded as the dumbest in his audience like you.
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needed! They let the nutcase religious zealots have too much power and looked at what happened? It's set us back twenty years. Whats sad is the elephants used to be practical. But when they started courting the jesus freaks they lost control of what they used to stand for sadly.
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where'd all these crackpots come from.
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I'm not. Read some history.
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i mean alaska
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Who said in previous talkbacks that McCain would win and Obama did not have a chance - I laugh at you.
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At least it wasn't Hillary Clinton vs. Mike Huckabee. That would've been a contest that would have me crying... no matter who won.
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at Fox News headquarters? I swear those assholes faces melting off. Brit Hume looks like he want to take a nap, lol. Haha. Eat it up fuckheads. You asked for it.
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Obama's leading by about 23,000 votes, though, which is impressive considering it's usually the first state in the evening to go red. I'd be encouraged and kind of surprised at my home state if they really go for Obama!
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i forgot i wasn't supposed to mention what everyone already knows. grow up already, and understand that he's just a man, not the fucking savior of America. the amount of praise that's been lavished on this guy that no one outside of his home state had ever heard of until 2 years ago, is beyond absurd. if he were white, and NOT capitalizing on the failures of the Bush administration, he wouldn't have had a chance in HELL at president.
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This means that hot Maru chick won't be on the Rick Sanchez show anymore. God she looks tasty ....
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Nov 05, 2008 12:26:38 AM CST
Eek, when did so many people get all emo-ized?
by spifftacular squirrel girl
"America's dead"?
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...and probably be bashed by most of you but...
Why not be critical of our government? Redshirt makes points that should be considered, thought about, and then, after careful deliberation, possibly dismissed. Why is this president above criticism?
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...though when I read it I pictured you reading it at gunpoint in some kind of hostage video. Look on the bright side, it's probably warm in Gitmo this time of year.
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President-Elect of the United States of America, Mr. Barack Obama.
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Nov 05, 2008 12:28:50 AM CST
ODO19 - I SAW THE SAME MELTING FACE THING AT FOX NEWS
by bringingsexyback
Barack just took Kenya too!!! Woot woot!
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Now that's funny.
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The republicans are the rebel alliance. Its all on you guys now. When stuff goes wrong, there is no Bush to blame. So start paying attention, cause now you play defense for the next four years.
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Secretary of education just to confuse the shit out of everybody.
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Nov 05, 2008 12:30:08 AM CST
Don't worry America- it's obviously still okay to hate gays.
by flim springfield
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There's nothing wrong with that at all but again, why not give him a chance to run the country for awhile before deciding he's going to wreck everything? If he doesn't improve anything then he should be fair game for the critics just as much as Bush was.
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I'm listening to Glenn, Rush, Sean, everybody tomorrow. I'm gonna be watching news all day. I'm gonna sign up for Michael Savage's podcast and listen to it. I will be masturbating. I will jack off all over each and every one of their faces, and I will give Michael Savage the only remaining towel afterwards. I am so happy right now.
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could've waited until manana to bitch about policy. Shit, we've been doing that for months now. Tonight, we party!!
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Fuck.
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Don't you remember how you guys responded to us, back when we questioned the choices made in various elections?
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I will give Obama the same benefit of the doubt and respect you gave Bush. Deal?
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Of Welfare, Warfare, Mercantilism, Special interest pandering, government thievery in the name of the common good, and eroding Liberty. The only thing that "Changed" tonight was the name on the letterhead...the underlying evil of Big Government, Statist control and the slide towards totalitarianism hasn't "Changed" one damned bit.
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to get the stench of failure out of the white house.
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Take what you are given by THESE millionaires, if you dont like it, you are racist.
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Thank you. Thank you for expressing the exact opposite of everything Barack Obama spoke about in his speech tonight. Thank you for embodying the very spirit that has dragged this country down for the past eight years. Thank you for showing there are Americans willing to undo whatever progress the election of Obama will bring about. Stand your ground, brother!
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Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!
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I love this!!!! GROUNDBREAKING!!! PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!! I was hoping he would have come out wearing a daishiki, and spread his arms up to the sky and yell...CANNNNN YOOUUUUUUU DIIIIGGG IIIIT!!!!!!! Congratulations Obama !!!!
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Sorry if my worrying about my business brings you down. Continue partying.
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I'm really glad that we now have an intelligent President going in to the White House and not some trashy millionaire who spreads more of Bush's bullshit. I'm so sick of people like McCain rallying up dumb hillbillies and white trash to make rich republicans richer. Maybe Obama can help bring this country back to glory.
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Nov 05, 2008 12:38:53 AM CST
BrainFart:: I had David Duke for a college class once...
by the dum guy
And he was a pretty good teacher, but he was kinda pissed about the KKK dude having the same name (true story).BTW Does anyone know what dundundles had to make an apology about?
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It will be interesting to see what "CHANGE" means to the man when it is all official, taxes go up, 2nd amenment is abolished and extremist muslims are allowed to bomb when and where they want. Yes we can. We have to put up with Oprah for four more years, yes we can. Socialized health insurance, yes we can, Marxist economics, yes we can.
The comment about the church revival was funny as crap.
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we use it at work a lot. I almost blew my jism all over the room when I first used it... nothing comes close to it, not even dressing up as Darth Vader and duelling with Mark Hamill himself.
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http://tinyurl.com/5obnnd
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America has spoken. We are DONE with divisional politics. Don't listen to anyone who preaches political division. It's un-american and it gets nothing done.
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...but Darth Cheney has been flung out to space somewhere to rebuild the Death Star. I did get flashes of the end of A New Hope after Obama's acceptance speech. But if I had to choose a sci fi metaphor for the new administration it'd probably be Deep Space Nine. I don't know what kind of corresponding Star Trek bad guys the republicans would fit best, though.
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Never thought I'd see a man who spends 20 years in a church that claims the evils of the world are from white ppl and the government.
Maybe he was just stleeping.
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obama will walk on water and heal the world. He will save the orphans, cure cancer and shit ice cream. WOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOO
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Wasn't thrilled with either guy (although I felt both were infinitely better than any of the choices we had the last two presidential elections). It came down to Palin and the fact McCain couldn't even run his own campaign how can he run the country. ok, there were a lot of other reasons. Neither guy really represents what political views are (socially liberal, financially conservative).
One thing I hope to God is Obama stays healthy. After watch Biden say and do far more stupid things than Palin in this election (guaranting that there will be a world crisis in six months if Obama wins, asking a parapalgic to stand up for recognition for his work fundraising, talking about how FDR was president in 1929 and gave presidental address on TV, etc.), the fact that he is one heartbeat away from the White House scares me a bit.
I am hoping for the best. I just wished they got rid of more of the morons on both sides of the isle in the House. Neither party held the market on stupidity in the House. I wouldn't have been upset if there was a 100% turnover in the House. -
Are you serious? Who is Barack Obama?For God's sake... read a book or a newspaper. The man's whole life has been scrutinized inside and out for the past 2 years. We probably know more about him than any other president-elect in history!
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Fuck the naysayers and nattering naybobs of negativism. Enjoy this and many other nights to come.
Ending 8 years of this shit and seeing a piece of genuine History being made deserves an awesome Celebration. And they ARE Celebrating and will keep Celebrating and if you don't like it, too bad and tough shit. You had your chance and blew it. -
Gotta love The Onion!
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FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord: "Don't you remember how you guys responded to us, back when we questioned the choices made in various elections?"
In other words: "It is your turn to play the fascist"? Here's an idea... How about if no one is a fascist? Is that an option? Can you drop your identity as a defender of whatever-it-is long enough to realize the only people who benefit from your fanaticism are the rich cats in Washington? It just makes me sad that the disparity between citizen and politician (have and have-not) is obvious when a Republican is elected but when a Democrat is elected, the critical mind seems to evaporate. -
I cast my vote for Obama this evening. I don't believe in partisan view points so I hope those of you who support McCain will be gracious in my comment! At any rate I look forward to change! Let's all look forward to something new! I'm excited! :D
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Geez...no wonder our country's in the toilet. It's Capulets like you that make blood in the marketplace. When you people get it through your thick, childish heads that it is people who make selfish, power-hungry decisions that are the bad guys, REGARDLESS of party affiliation, then I will have hope for America. But as long as idiots on both side of the aisle demonize those on the opposite, we will get nowhere. I got news for you right-wing kool-aid drinkers: Obama is not the antichrist, and people who voted for him are not anti-American. And I have news for you left-wing lemmings: Republicans are not fascist warmongers, and people who vote Republican are not brainless morons. Yes, there are brainless morons in the Republican party, just as there are in the Democrat party. Yes, there are warmongers in the Republican party, just as there are in the Democrat party. There are idiots on both sides of the aisle, and to defeat them we need to find common ground. So go ahead and spew your bile about "bad guys" and "Darth Cheney" and "neocon fascists" and "bigots' and whatever...it only helps to identify you as one of the ones who needs to be overcome and left behind.
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It is certainly a dark day for America.
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Congratulations to Obama on the largest mass Jedi Mind Trick ever pulled. I wonder how long until he names William Ayers as Secretary of Education?"These are not the tax cuts you are looking for..."
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...pick your favorite wingnut post-Obamapocalyptic dystopian nightmare scenario! I like the audacity of an America where "2nd amenment is abolished and extremist muslims are allowed to bomb when and where they want," (It'd be like Islamic 4th of July EVERYDAY!) or the idea that Ahmedinejad is on the cabinet short-list, but I am drawn to the poetic blend of racist/possibly homophobic musing about a "Bareback Yomama administration." But I think the not-so subtly referenced subject title "DEATH OF A NATION" pretty much ices the fucking cake for hysterical douchebaggery in this talkback.
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...and a great night for AICN Talkback. However, I'm VERY disappointed to see that the Debbie Downers are already out in force; spewing forth their fear-laden cynicism. Such pessimistic sore-loserness deserves to SUCK IT. Suck it long. Suck it hard.Seriously, you guys crack me up.I like to think that I'm about as moderate as they come. (At most, I lean just ever-so-left of center.) But after the past several years, I think it's become abundantly clear, to those of us who were paying attention, that the snake oil being peddled by so-called "conservatives" under the umbrella of the GOP was bullshit. The Bush Administration is just the icing on their bitter cake. And like every party who has worn out their welcome, the GOP lost its way.Therefore, it was inevitable that someone (Obama) would come along who truly understands this country and what it needs. More importantly, they would be able to articulate this understanding in a way that appeals to people across the board. It's something you don't see too often these days.And remember, Obama didn't get to where he is simply because of his charisma. The guy is incredibly intelligent and he's blessed with a world class temperament. Everything he has achieved has been started from the ground up: from community organization, the Senate, to defeating the Clinton Machine and the GOP, and finally winning the Presidency. The notion that this man won't do everything in his power to lead this country to a BETTER place is categorically absurd.Anyway, I digress. Congratulations Obama. I look forward to your first day in office. Know hope.
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And I stand by that. Like I said, I don't care that it's Obama. In fact that is almost inconsequential. It's what's been going on the last year or so that scares me. Someone brought up Reagan- completely different. For starters, Reagan didn't engage in class warfare and his message was less government. Like it or not, that's what he stood for. What Obama advocates is basically "if you vote for me, I will take care of you. I will solve your problems". And how did he convey this message? By telling the have nots that it's someone else's fault. Didn't Hitler blame the Jews for hyper inflation after the first world war? You all think I am either kidding or insane, but i'm telling you, the same psychology is at work here. Okay fine- human nature, I guess. It just surprises me to see this type of thing in America.
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Congrats on your progress. I hope you are already feeling better after 85 lbs. off. Regarding the election, even though I did not vote for him congrats to the pres-elect. I only hope that all of his talk of hope and change (for the better) is turned into reality.
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...pick your favorite hypocritical Obama-negating demonizing comment!
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Cheers.
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One built on unity, not division.
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Unless you're a talkbacker, when the SOP is still demonizing those who don't agree with you.
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I am hopeful that Obama does make positive changes, but your description of Obama could have been made for Jimmy Carter in 1976. That is why I am cautiously optimistic. Not trying to be a downer, but I can see Obama either going the way of JFK or Carter and not much room for in between.
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May I correct you, sir?
In fact, today is a GREAT DAY for America; it is a victory of common sense and hope over fear and ignorance.
This is big, very big.
A GREAT DAY to be American! Congratulations Obama!
fuck.. WE DID IT!:))))
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if you really believe that, I feel bad for you man...to take the first African-American president, elected on a platform of hope and change amidst a chaotic and deeply problematic time in our country's history, and find not only a parallel, but what you perceive to be a direct link between him and Adolf Hitler takes a special kind of misapprehension.
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I know, right? If we can't have a civil conversation about grave social responsibility to one's fellow man and brotherhood and cultural healing, on an AICN chocolate pussy juice covered talkback- of all places!- then all that stands for America and the future of our children and their potential is TRULY jeopardized in perilous doom! Thank you for your stern scolding so that I have been awakened to the power of your message of truth and unity for all people, even douchebags!
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Don't worry, even after he goes after free speech and guns, nobody will believe you then either. When he resurrects "Fairness Doctrine" it will have a chilling effect on all public dissent. Remember, when asked about gun control his response was "I don't even have the votes to change it if I wanted to". Well, maybe now he does...
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Listening to Rush Limbaugh! That shit is going to be more unintentionally hilarious than ever. While finding the station on his website earlier, I noticed all the crap he had stuck on the front page. It looks like a freakin porn site. Rush, how do you suck so hard yet still remain so unintentionally awesome?! 4 More years!
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Remember to say you voted for the first black president (even if you didn't) to neutralize all racist arguments "minorities" and overcompensating white people use to blackmail you.
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heres mine from cotton mcknight--"I don't really care that Obama one [won]- if that is the people's choice, so be it. What SCARES me though is that this is the exact same type of movement that brought Hitler into power, and the communists before that. This was a election whose outcome was based entirely on emotion. I do not believe for a moment that people were guided by issues this election- they responded to a product.----yes america is now going to turn facist and communist because people voted emotionally, of course because that's never happened before. These inbred right-wingers are well versed on all the issues and vote for the best for the best candidate NOT the guy they would like to have a beer with. The swift-boat attack on Kerry was successful because it was truthful and comepletely rational.
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I'm going to have to go with the guy that Said America was "dead". LOL, keep it you assholes. It makes me laugh so hard that you can't take one fucking defeat without comparing Obama to Hitler. What a bunch of fucking crybabies.
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I have been listening to you bash Bush and the GOP for the last 8 years, The dems have controlled congress and done nothing for us. Get used to it. It is now my time to sit back and critique and call the new leadership a bunch of douchebags. Your gonna have to sit and take it. Iwill be on every bad move this man makes. I don't like his politics, I think he is dishonest and I think we are going to be looking pretty socialized when all is said and done. No I don't need to give him a chance. I heard enough while the campaign was going on. Terrible night for the country, we just put Benedict Arnold in charge of the warheads??????
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Thanks for proving me right.
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The age of the christian right is coming to an end. No more believing in talking snakes, in fairy tales.
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...no, not the ones with Star Wars or Transformers prints.
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Nov 05, 2008 1:14:54 AM CST
Jeez--I brought up Hitler in THE OFFICE TB--quoting Pam Beesley
by chromedome
where it was relevant! Has NO PLACE in this TB, no place at all.pathetic, Cotton, truly pathetic
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I agree. Both parties fearmonger the opposition to make them seem evil which is rarely the truth. It is a reality of our society. Sell fear to push your agenda. That is why it seems like every week the news has some kind of virus or disaster that will wipe out America. Is it safe to eat a hamburger and travel to China to go bird watching yet?
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can it be that america is finally moving out of the dark ignorant age?
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WASHINGTON—African-American man Barack Obama, 47, was given the least-desirable job in the entire country Tuesday when he was elected president of the United States of America. In his new high-stress, low-reward position, Obama will be charged with such tasks as completely overhauling the nation's broken-down economy, repairing the crumbling infrastructure, and generally having to please more than 300 million Americans and cater to their every whim on a daily basis. As part of his duties, the black man will have to spend four to eight years cleaning up the messes other people left behind. The job comes with such intense scrutiny and so certain a guarantee of failure that only one other person even bothered applying for it. Said scholar and activist Mark L. Denton, "It just goes to show you that, in this country, a black man still can't catch a break."
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I suppose that means in about 20 years, kids will be reading The Diary of Ann Coulter about the hardships of hiding in Karl Rove's attic? I'm sorry, but comparing anyone to Hitler is more than a little harsh and just seems a little off.
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"Goddamn America!" Because everyone knows Obama and America was, and now is, "post-racial".
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You and I both know that the presidency eats anyone up that comes into office. Clinton came in with this promise to create healthcare and expand government. What happened? He got bitchslapped in 94 and walked away from office with welfare reform, a balanced budget, and relatively small government. Bush walked in as an "outsider" who worked with democrats all the time. He had major democrat bigwigs vouch for him during his run. He talked about conservative principles, being "compassionate", and promised to change Washington. What happened? Well, you know. We have a huge deficit and spending is absolutely out of control. Government is bigger than it has ever been before, and he just signed a 700 billion dollar bailout package.Whether or not you agree with my opinion, the point is, people walk into the office trying to change the world only to find out that they get bogged down, and the agenda changes as they adapt to the office. What do you think is going to happen when those people who say "I'm no longer going to have to work! Obama's going to pay my mortgage! He is going to pay for my gas!" find out that none of that is going to happen? What do you think will happen when they realize when you get right down to it, a black man is going to do the exact same job other presidents have done, with varying degrees of success? My point is, the people who think like that are not familiar with the nuances of policy. They have VERY short attention spans. I am curious to see what will happen when they realize that at the end of the day, the guy is just a president. He isn't God, he isn't a savior, and he isn't going to make it rain sunshine lemonade. It's gonna be a fun two years, that's for sure!
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Hey guys! I think we just figured out why McCain lost the election!
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So,you are telling me the dems won't bring back the fairness doctrine, and that freedom of speech will not be hindered? Hell, even saturday night live won't skewer him! Are you denying that gun control is a major platform of the dems? You need to be honest.
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Cheers!
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I am comparing the movement that allowed a guy like Hitler to be put into power with what I have just seen. I don't think Obama is a bad man, thank God. I think he has a good heart, and I think he is going to do what he thinks is best. And really that's all we can ask. What I am talking about though is, what if he wasn't? I just feel like America is more vulnerable to persuasion than I originally thought.
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So, if racism died tonight, and the nation ALSO died tonight, wouldn't that mean that the nation that died tonight was racist? Aw, I'm just kiddin you, Psalmolive, I think we all know that as long as you're with us, racism will never die.
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That's insta-classic.
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And have pity on the working man.
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I wouldn't be anything but cautiously optimistic.
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thank the gods that enough people in this country had the sense to elect the right man and keep McCain and Palin away from the White House! I was there in Grant Park on the field in the middle of the chaos. We had CNN on a huge screen and every time the 'CNN projection' graphic came up, the crowd got excited. When they came back from the break at 10, I didn't expect it would end so quickly - the crowd went insane. There were so many freakin' people. And such positive energy. I've never been in a Chicago crowd like that where everyone had the same agenda and everyone got along. Strangers talking and hugging. We were witness to history tonight, and I'm not ashamed to admit, I shed some tears, along with some people around me (and apparently Jesse Jackson!). I'm amazed at the people who come on here and try to deny that historical force. I'm sure people like Coughlin's Laws are crying in their soup. But take heart. Obama said he'll be everybody's president (not just his party or his political ideology, unlike Bush). And I for one, believe him. The world's opinion of us as a country has just skyrocketed, people. We can now take our place as a global leader and country that people all over the world can admire again. The nightmare is over. The nightmare is over.
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Aw, it's the least I could do, I know it means a lot to you.
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Racism will never die? Tell that to Obama's pastor who delivered racist tirades from his lips to Obama's ears for 20 years. Yet Obama IS THE REPRESENTATION OF HOPE!
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Yeah... Obama will turn us into a socialist WASTELAND like those HORRIBLE HELLHOLES, like the Netherlands.. Germany.. Denmark... The U.K... ummm... yeah.
It's called a MIXED ECONOMY, douches. Guess what: WE ALREADY HAVE ONE.
I don't want to hear another Freeper moaning about the U.S. turning into a "Socialist Nation" unless they also admit that BUSH and his cohorts did the exact same thing by OK'ing a MASSIVE NATIONALIZATION of the financial system just a few weeks ago.
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that is a purely useless argument. if I believe, as I do, that the nation voted for Obama because they are hopeful for a change in this broken system of government that has simply not been working, then can't it be argued that it was was WE who persuaded a candidate to step up and actually decide HOT to make a real difference, not just hurl empty promises at us?you can be debbie downer all you want, but you look pretty silly proclaiming it now, especially when you start mentioning fucking HITLER. come on man...you're better than that.
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If you honestly want to know, no, I do not believe that Democrats have any intention of ressurrecting the Fairness Doctrine, nor do I believe they're going to come around for the guns this january. If I believed either, even a little, I would not have voted the way I did.
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So the NATION died tonight, apparently from complications due to racism, but the RACISM lives on in the new ZOMBIE nation, and will only be cured when we "neutralize" the original Zombie Racist, Jeremiah Wright? Can you confirm?
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Funny stuff!
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Yes, you actually, REALLY said "Didn't Hitler blame the Jews for hyper inflation after the first world war?" trying in a deranged moment of madness to equate the poor "have nots" with the abomination of the persecution Hitler enacted on the Jews.
CONGRATULATIONS! You are indeed batshit insane. You win a snug fitting straitjacket.
Tell me have you heard of the Bank Bailout ? Those Banks who went begging for all those BILLIONS the TAXPAYER will have to pay as so the Banks can be NATIONALIZED. Those Banks and Financial institutions who plunged the Economy into the Abyss of a Recession with their get rich quick securities (Credit Default Swaps and Collateralized Debt Obligations) Think those Banks are have nots do you ? Or do you think funneling BILLIONS in Bonuses for themselves while wrecking their own Companies, the Economy and Main street with the Credit Crunch might, just might, mean some if not most of it is their fault ?
And BTW the Captial Gains Rate Obama is bringing in for those above $250,000 ? 20% Which is LESS then Reagans 29%. So does that make Reagan a Socialist ? Marxist ? Communist ? or what ?
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hello 21st century.
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..same as the old boss. Thank GOD the stupid fake election is over so I won't be subjected to any more SNL election specials. At least now all us white dudes can go around bitching about how the black man is keeping us down. What a joke to watch all the black women where I work dancing and carping about what a "new day" it is. What a larf. I wonder if any of those troops in Iraqistan feel any different? If wrapping up a shit sandwich in a caviar package makes it somehow taste better then I guess you're one up on me, because when the sun rises tomarrow everything that sucked yesterday will still suck today and I have ZERO faith Barack Obama is going to somehow make it any better.
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'Cuz, y'know, it's technically the 5th...
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That t-shirt looks like a typical photo-referenced piece of Alex Ross shit and MAN am I sick of that overrated douchebag.
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... before you bash him. He hasn't even had a chance to break anything yet. Does that sound fair? Also, that 3 months should start from January 21st, don't forget.
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If you believe Obama simply because he says something and you value "the world's" opinion more than anything else. As Joe Biden warned, a manmade international crisis is likely just around the corner to see just how weak Obama is. The nightmare is likely just beginning and unfortunately, many people like you are too silly in the head to realize it.
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It's a 'fake' election because you lost? Too bad you and your white douchebag friends are all gonna get the taste of big black beautiful cock in your mouths now. So just sit back and try to enjoy it, all right whitey?
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Are you kidding me? Chuck Schumer gave an interview just a few days ago defending the fairness doctrine. In fact, he compared it to regulating porn. Dick Durbin and Dianne Feinstein have been talking it up as well. Guns? Check this out: 1996 - Obama supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns. 1999 - Obama proposed a 500 percent increase in the excise taxes on firearms and ammunition. 2003 - Obama voted in support of legislation that would have banned privately owned hunting shotguns, target rifles and black powder rifles in Illinois. 2004 - Obama voted against legislation intended to protect homeowners from prosecution in cases where they used a firearm to halt a home invasion. Man, I don't even own a gun, but I recognize that a government that disarms its citizens can do anything to them that it wants to do.
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Says it all.
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that i actually feel love for all the paranoid nutbags that actually believe Obama is going to waste his energy trying to take their precious guns away and reestablish the fairness doctrine, while the economy is in the dumpster. Listen up geniuses, even conservative pundits say obama ran a brilliant campaign, he knows how to prioritize--even if he really wanted to do those things (which he doesn't)---they would be nowhere near the top of his agenda.
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So what? The names have changed, big deal. It's not jews, it's "capitalists" that screwed us over. Would you rather me draw a comparison with another revolution? because I can certainly do that if you wish.My point is that Obama employed the exact same tactics to win. That's fine- I am sure he is a great guy and will be a good president. I am simply saying that it scares me to see people fall for this type of thing. It doesn't matter if you are in a poverty stricken country in the east, or the most advanced civilization on Earth. We are all susceptible to basic psychological ploys and when they are implemented, people fall in line like sheep. Some of us, anyway.
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So take up your racist arguments with Obama.
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Yes, the world's opinion matters. When we are dealing with global issues - terrorism, the environment, and even the financial crisis - it is vitally important to have someone in power who knows how to deal with other nations effectively and directly. To have someone in office who's not a complete dufus, and doesn't alienate foreign leaders, won't go 'cowboy,' who can work diplomacy - that is the kind of president we need now. The idea of the US as an isolationist nation is naive and dangerous. The problems we face are on a world scale. And I do believe that with Obama, America can start being leaders in the world again. And that means leading in the sense of being a model for democracy and a model for global responsibility.
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and see how everyone feels then
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You all govern yourselves by emotion. You vote that way too. All I said was that the SAME scenerios and tactics are what brought change to many different countries. Including Russia and Germany. At no point did I say that Obama is Hitler. What I AM saying though is that a "less nice" and "less trustworthy" guy could have walked right into this election using the EXACT SAME TACTICS and come out with a victory. Don't you find it at ALL weird that Obama is associated with a known terrorist, socialists, and communists, and everyone just looks over it? What, do you think that the American People actually sat down and thought about all of these things, weighed the facts that they knew, and decided that none of that mattered? Of course not. They overlooked it because of the circumstances they were in and the message he delivered. I find that frightening. I really do.
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obama support of gun regulation in Illinois stems from an incident when some lunatic white supremacist went around shooting black folks in Illinois. Also, as the death of Jennifer Hudsons family proves, something needs to be done about gang violence in chicago.
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Hasn't ended the world down here in Australia. Since you won't be getting as much of it as we get, I'm sure the US will survive whatever socialist leaning policies you get.
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Obama proved that ANYONE, given enough money, CAN BUY ANYTHING (it also helps that the democratic candidate could have been a three legged dog and still win against Republicans this time around, so this is no big victory) Still, the fact that it took nearly a billion dollars for Obama to win this with nowhere near a 60% popular vote goes to show you that perhaps the three legged dog would have re-affirmed the faith of a lot more Americans with half the budget. Oh, also it helps that the three-legged dog didn't belong to a racist church for 20 dog years. Oh, and because the level of discourse in this talkback is really lowbrow: the three-legged dog is your mother.
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Don't count the Republicans out yet. Remember how excited the Dems were in '92 with a Democratic president and control of both houses? Then look at what happened in '94.
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I went to this page and saw Harry's picture before I read the article, and before I finally recognized it was Harry without a beard, my first thought was ............Well, by gosh, it looks like that talentless slut Kathy Griffin actually put a little effort into fixing herself up for a change! It's about time!
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Don't bring up anymore mass murdering "revolutionists" to prove your point. You've done a fine job by implying Obama won the election using "Hitler Tactics". *headdesk*
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Yeah, and if we're going on talking points, most recently (2006) he voted in favor of a proposal to prohibit the confiscation of firearms in the event of an emergency. Across party lines.
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Obama is anti gun and it whiteys fault. Is that really what you are saying? Every potentially fascist law is made "for the good of the people". Tell me how making guns illegal will prevent criminals from having guns. Drugs are illegal, that's why they aren't a problem anymore right?
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first of all, this Hitler thing is so fucking ridiculous. It's very clear by the voting results tonight that people believed in Obama's message of hope. I just don't see how the fearmongering argument in any way applies to Obama's campaign. Unlike the McCain campaign, especially Palin (and god, I'm so glad we're done with her for now), who painted Obama's presidency as some dystopian unAmerican future, Obama's message about McCain was that he didn't get it, and he won't change things. If there's any fearmongering going on there, it's appealing to people's fear of another Bush presidency. But it's certainly nowhere near the level of paranoia generated by McCain's campaign. Look, after 9/11 and 8 years of Bush, the Christian Right, and the NeoCons, this country has suffered deep psychological damage (as well as other kinds, but now I'm focusing on the psyche). But to have an intelligent, thoughtful president who can inspire America's citizens again - you just can't underestimate the importance of that. People criticized Obama because of his speechifying, but inspiration is exactly what this country lacked from its president. And let's face it, whatever presidential policies may be, the President doesn't have that much actual power. He has way more power as a figure, as a leader, as a possible ideological inspiration for the country. That's where a president's true task lies. And that's why I'm so grateful that Obama was elected.
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And by all means tell us how Obama used the "exact same tactics" as Hitler did when he persecuted the Jews.
When did Obama round up the "capitalists" (whoever the fuck that means in your batshit insane mind) into ghettos ? When did he force anyone to wear yellow stars ? And when did he herd anyone onto trains like cattle towards the concentration camps that was the end result of the persecution of the Jews and the most abominable War Crime and atrocity of the 20th Century ?
He OBVIOUSLY didn't. And has NEVER come close to those apalling acts of unmitigated barbarity. So shut the fuck up and get a grip.
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huh? What do the Hudson murders have to do with gang violence? It was a domestic issue.
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What does it have to do with movies etc?
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Thank you America, it's about time you elected the sensible choice.
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The biopic is pre-production.
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that you've convinced yourself that your rational and level-headed. But when you start convicting obama of paling around with terrorists or being a commie based on guilt by association it suggests that your not so level-headed. Its not weird that people "overlooked" his association with such people because their was no evidence to suggest that his association with this people was a serious one and its elitist of you to assume that the american did not weigh the facts and think things through just because they didn't agree with you. Should we consider mccain because he used to associate with a pastor who made anti-semetic remarks or his association with the keating 5, of course not.
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Starring Don Cheadle.
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...that last post is like Sean Hannity channeling Ross Perot... you just need a pie chart.
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Obama The Man wins in a landslide! I love it.
It's a historic night: the first black president of America. "24" showed us a preview six years ago, and now we get the reality. Despite my decidedly apolitical mindset, I find myself strangely moved.
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the guy was just released from prison. i lived in chicago so assuming gang assocications.
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I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I am finding it disturbingly funny how much the Republicans are already predicting doom and gloom from the Obama presidency. Yes, the Democrats are not being gratuitous, but remember that for the last 8 years who have been presided over by the most incompetent presidency in memory…or perhaps even history. Religious zealotry; attacks on civil liberties; partisan politics; lack of accountability; the misleading of the American people into invading Iraq; the bungling of the occupation afterwards; the use of torture and extraordinary rendition; the incompetence and belated dismissals of Donald Rumsfeld, Michael Brown and Alberto Gonzales; the nomination of Harriet Miers; the response to Hurricane Katrina; the loss of goodwill amongst the world; a VP who has set himself up as the Fourth Branch of government; the setbacks in Afghanistan; the collapse of the American Economy; the doubling of the US debt (now $10 trillion); and, finally, the failure to get Bin Laden. I cannot imagine any president doing worse than the last one.
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She just couldn't resist.
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That the party of Lincoln now holds a lock on almost all of the Confederate states.
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One term.
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i never said anything about it being whitey's fault, now your putting words in my mouth. The incident created a big fuss in chicago and a lot of people (including Mayor Daley and other whites) thought easy access to handguns was part of the problem.
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gasm.
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Anyone stupid enough not to think there might be an EMOTIONAL response to comparing Obama's Election tactics to Hitlers persecution of the Jews is clearly in dire need of their Meds.
Fuck them.
They got their asses handed to them and are lashing out wildly and deperately in their deranged delusional despair.
They will be taking out their spitefull, impotent, childish rage on whoever they choose to blame in the Republican Party soon enough.
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To say John is a coward for signing a confession under torture is wrong. Everyone - and I mean everyone - of the capture pilots held in Hanoi Hilton broke. John, however, did not except early release when it was offered and instead left when it was his turn. Those who call his Songbird and claim he sold out his fellow POWs to the VC are full of shit.
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You're going for TB MVP aren't you?
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You brought up Hitler now? Where were you when Bush won his second term?!? TOOOOOO LLLAAAATTTTTEEEEE!!!
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...same as the old boss. You don't get to be the chief, unless you're a company man. Expect Tony Blair levels of disappointment, before the inevitable backlash. That is all.
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yes obama won and soooooo many people are happy.....when his racist pastor is seen quite frequently at the white house and his racist wife starts repeating all the stuff she based her thesis on......i think we're all gonna be wishing we voted for john mccain....the only reason the majority of the country elected obama was that we;re all sick of republicans after 8 yrs of bush..actually being sick of republicans and african americans blindly voting for a black man....when the honeymoon is over and u all realize there isnt going to be that much change, obama will be just like bush sr. ....4 yrs and gone...hillary 2012 !!!
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Even though you've had nothing else to say for a few, why exactly was it you were citing the Fairness Doctrine anyway? Wasn't it the current (conservative?) administraion that twisted the arm of the FCC to begin fining for incidents of vulgar language, and appealed the decision of the NY federal appeals court?
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You said Obama was reacting to a shooting spree by a white supremist. If you included that detail you must have thought it relevant for some reason.
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somebody else said that exact same thing like 20 posts ago.
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But invasive all the same.
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To paraphase John McCain, we weren't voting for his pastor to be president, we were voting for Barack Obama.
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Sorry dude, comparing restricting of political speech to censoring some bad words doesn't fly. Fairness doctrine is a direct assault on the constitution. You dems claim that Bush destroyed the constitution, but seem pretty eager to do it yourself. Only difference is Bush was looking for enemies to this nation, dems are targeting it's own citizens. Just to let you know, also, it is pretty late and I do need sleep, so if I go without saying goodbye, don't go getting all pissy with me.
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people shoot each other all the time in chicago. I only mentioned to explain why the issue got so much attention when it happened. Racial issues grab headlines, but the gun regulations weren't about fears of some imagined genicidal conspiracy which why i mentioned the gang problem as well.
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Nov 05, 2008 2:46:17 AM CST
RETRACTION: (redshirt, get yr gloat on!)
by fathermcgruderkicksassforthelord
And I commence the eating of crow:
Obama is in favor of some degree of reinstment of the Fairness Doctrine, according to the wiki, which is something that had evaded me in the blitz of info.
So yeah, I suck at the internets, democracy, and being a human being in general.
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Please. Don't. Fuck. It. Up.
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...Is actually that he does a good job as president. If that should happen it would shatter his detractors entire belief system. So better to sabotage him now than find out you have been following an empty philosophy.
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...the first black president is the same night where three states take unalienable rights from a large sect of people. I find it ironic that so many people are praising the progression of America where bigots that rationalize their distorted ideology by "protecting the children" get away with such a travesty. Yes we can? Sure. I guess.
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Nov 05, 2008 2:49:33 AM CST
hey Obama, now that you won, release your fricken college grades
by the only woj
and your thesis paper, and your SATs.
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You said "gun regulations weren't about fears of some imagined genicidal conspiracy" You misunderstand the issue entirely. The entire existence of the 2nd amendment is to protect the individual from tyranny. Read what Noah Webster had to say "Tyranny is the exercise of some power over a man, which is not warranted by law, or necessary for the public safety. A people can never be deprived of their liberties, while they retain in their own hands, a power sufficient to any other power in the state". A government which acts to take away guns from it's citizens, is acting against said citizens.
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They're taking bets in my office. One of my managers believes he'll have the shortest ever Presidency!
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We'll see... I've already posted my prophesy of what the US will be like in 2010 and I'm pretty sure you won't like it.
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I'm not going to gloat. Just promise me that if you see it happening, you will fight it.
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According to same, Obama is not in favor of precise language of the Doctrine, instead focusing on encouraging new outlets and ownership caps, which, after a few years of suffering through the current Clear Channel and Fox Radio Networks near-monopolies, I fucking support whole-heartedly.
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What would this talkback (indeed the world) be like if McCain actually won?
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and two crazy, mixed up kids, in terms of their nationality not mental health, I'm pleased that America is being so positively endorsed and represented again.
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I am not, nor have I ever been, in favor of the restriction of free speech.
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Obama Raped My Childhood!
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I really hope that the cynics are wrong and that Obama doesn't get assassinated. I'd much prefer him to be voted out in 2012 after he fucks up our economy than him to go out as an MLK/JFK figure.
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Well, going after right wing radio is the only place I've ever heard it discussed, so pardon my hyperbole. Let's just agree that we won't let it happen.
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Don't get that shit started again!
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No more "coalition of the willing" for you...
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RE: PirateEmery
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Jeez, I don't wish that on our nation. I only hope for 4 years of mediocrity. I still need to pay my bills for the next 4 years.
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"We gave Benedict Arnold control of the nukes?" *** Personally, I don't see what the big deal is, seeing as we gave Slim Pickins control of the nukes in 2003...
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Perhaps you have reason for your reservations and your worries, and by all means go out and voice those concerns. If you see what you think is incompetence and recklessness by the Obama presidency, I would expect you to speak out. However, and this is not directed towards you, I am against those who try to sabotage, belittle and attack him before he has even failed. He has won the presidency, like it or not, so I suggest you give him the benefit of the doubt UNTIL he fucks up...if he ever does. Otherwise, all you are doing is fear-mongering and playing partisan games.
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look i was just trying to put his actions into perspective if you want to fret that he's going to try and take your precious guns away then go ahead. The Only Woj what's your point? Why would his grades or SAT's matter?
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Nothing left to say!
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...all this assassination shit. Personally, I am more inclined to believe that he won't be and that no one would try.
If you were referring to what I think He'd do to the economy, then that's a different story altogether. I completely stand by that statement and I completely expect it to be proven true once the midterm elections come about in 2010.
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Just had to say that, cause the republicans always shouted that line to us dems about Pres Bush in 2000 and 2004. Gotta love it.
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While I am not accusing you of doing this PirateEmery, but talk of assassination is the kind of divisiveness that I was talking about. I didn't like to hear it when Bush was president, and I don't like to hear it concerning Obama. It smacks me always as a little bit like the townpeople in a western trying to scare of the new sheriff by telling him that someone is gunning for him.
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My point is that Obama is a constitutional scholar. He should know better than most why the 2nd amendment exists and not try to dismantle it.
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Nov 05, 2008 3:09:44 AM CST
Does anyone know if Sean Hannity survived his Heartattack?
by the founder
Just wondering. Watched Fox alnight to se his face but he was no where to be found.
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you guys have a new president and everybody is happy. But now back to the more important things: WHERE ARE THE DVD PICKS and PEEKS of this week?!
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We are halfway through a global recession. In another 6-8 months we will come out of it and in comparison to the last year-and-a-half under Bush it will look very rosy. I voted for Obama, but even I will admit he will gain a lot of credit for something that he will have had little responsibility for.
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Obama Raped My Childhood!
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Maybe Hollywood will finally start making pro America films again. Hey, I can see the bright side!
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Oh yes, he did win the election fair and square. I'm not raising a huff, nor crying, nor throwing a childish temper tantrum like those on the Left did after 2004. I am looking ahead at exactly what he has promised, policy-wise, and predicting one possible outcome. In no way do I mean to create a self-fulfilling prophesy before his plane has even taken off the tarmac, but to offer my own analysis of where I think this country is going. I'm financially secured enough to weather any storm, so it matters not to me what idiotic economic policy he adopts. It's the little guy I'm frightened for. The hard working employee that is going to get laid-off because his corporation can't afford to keep him.
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Nov 05, 2008 3:12:07 AM CST
Without the beard Harry is the spitting image of Ben Franklin!
by jethrobodine
Harry "Ben Franklin" Knowles in 2012
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Tuned into FOX after the announcement on President Obama and they looked liked someone had dies.
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obama hasn't even been sworn in yet and everyone's whining about what he MIGHT do. Just like Joe the Plumber, Oh my lord, Obama's a socialist, because he wants to tax my hypothetical business that will make more money than 95% of all small businesses.
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Obama Raped My Childhood! Go McCain Go!
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Fair enough. However, you will admit that if you are wrong you'll have to eat crow. Just as I will have to admit the same thing.
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so i guess they were happy as well.
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Just as I said before, this is a subject I'd rather not think about and highly doubt would occur. The only reason I felt compelled to voice my opinion was because Mr. Monkey's post was right above mine.
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My compliments, PirateEmery, for being pretty level-headed throughout are little discussion.
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he chose sarah palin and thats indicative of his strong character that is willing to take riskes as long as they are made for the right reasons. obama did nothing but stand in front of the cameras.
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I just saw him as the lesser of two evils. This also goes onto support my theorem that you must have a candidate that you are voting for, not a candidate you are voting against. This rang true in 2004: no one was voting FOR Kerry, they were voting against Bush. Same thing here: true conservatives (the Republican base) were voting against Obama, not for McCain.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: McCain is/was a RINO. He tried to switch parties in 2002. The Conservative Movement would have been castrated had McCain won. Now, at least, we have a chance of a repeat of the 1980 election. -
Obama Raped My Childhood!
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Cost...I repeat, COST...John McCain the election. She basically drove every respectable conservative thinker away from him. It's like doing a version of Romeo and Juliet and casting Paris Hilton in the lead. You lose all credibility with the critics.
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"Today, I was a candidate for the highest office in the country I love so much, and tonight, I remain her servant," McCain said.
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If america is a pendulum, then I guess it's time for 28 years of progressive governance. I just love how Bush ruined the tax code, nearly drove the country bankrupt, concentrated wealth to the point it collapsed the economy under the debt overhead, yet fixing the problem by bringing sanity back to the tax code will cause everyone to lose their jobs. Here's a clue, pod-people. Workers have to make enough money to afford to buy the things that the capitalists make. You concentrate too much on the supply side, then the workers can't afford to support the consumer economy, and have to go into debt. You push the middle class far enough into debt and the system breaks. It happened in the 30's, it's happening now. So turn off the conservative radio (who only exist to convince suckers that the rich are better off with all their money) and study some economics, you retards.
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So is Adam Smith, the intellectual father of market capitalism and author of the "Wealth of Nations". I qoute: "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. . . . The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. . . . It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion. "
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Sarah Palin was a double-edged sword for McCain. On the plus side, it made him appear more conservative (thus appealing more to the base, a la my previous statement). On the minus side, it took the stratagem of experience off the table, something that I think cost him the election (as you aptly put).
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Run little racists, run- you have 4 years of hell coming.
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I will say that he was elequent and gracious in his speech. This was the John McCain I supported in 2008. Why didn't he show up this time, instead of his embarrassing surrogates like Joe the Plumber.
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Harry's hand looks like a softball with a little dick coming out of it.Or an accusing frozen turkey.Or a frozen turkey with a little dick coming out of it....a little dick with a fingernail on it.Grosssssssss
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barack obama first african-american president of the united states. I'll be riding this high for awhile.
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...how businesses are run.
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its a shame to see him lose again.
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They have websites. The Government will loom over them like a hawk now. I'm sure theres undercovers already mingling with them. They would be the dumbest mutherfuckers on earth if they think they can do anything about Obama being President.
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She is socially conservative, yes. But after that she hardly fits the classic mold of a conservative candidate: fiscally responsible, defending civil liberties, realism and prudence (as well as knowledge) of foreign affairs, accountability, personal responsibility, a grasp of political realism, a lack of distrust of intellectualism, and a reluctance to become tangled up in foreign conflicts.
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from CNN: VP pick: McCain made his "Hail Mary" pick -- privately acknowledged by some advisers as his only shot of winning -- with the governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin. For a few weeks, it looked like that game-winning touchdown could happen as the base-rousing running mate burst onto the national scene with such power that the GOP ticket took the lead in major opinion polls. But inconvenient investigations, unfortunate interview performances and questions about qualifications soon hit Palin's approval ratings. McCain's own reputation was tarnished as revelations about hasty vetting raised questions in voters' minds about his judgment. And by then, his central argument against Obama -- that experience was critical -- was essentially off the table given Palin's relatively thin resume.
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It's a fake election because "either/or" is not a choice at all, it's a dog and pony show for weak intellects such as yourself so you'll believe you're somehow involved in the making of your fate when in fact you are not. This isn't the fucking Superbowl douchebag, everyone loses when the only choice is a bought and sold democrat/republican. All pretty speech-ifying aside there is no difference between the two, only the never-ending conflict of opposing identical partys. I'll have more respect for you than you had for me and not dignify your latent homoeroticism, I don't swing that way. I support John McSame just as much as Buttock Obama, which is not at all. You pathetic lulu's think that because he's black that Obama is gonna be any less the bought and sold shill? It is to laugh, and thus I shall, right in your rude fucking face because you are one tired-assed patsy motherfucker. Enjoy the next 4 dickface, you got it coming.
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Nov 05, 2008 3:40:26 AM CST
oregon and minnesota senate races still haven't been decided
by crazybubba
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Quite simply, they just lost perspective. Had McCain spent the majority of his campaign detailing an economic strategy and tax plan that'll create jobs and lessen the burden on the not-so-rich, he might've had a fighting chance. What's more, his pick of Sarah Palin as VP only did harm to his campaign. It showed he was more interested in hype and theatrics than competent leadership and solutions to problems. In fact, his whole campaign relied heavily on buzz words and hype. It was like a bank vying for your business by offering a plush toy when setting up a checking account.
It especially didn't help when he started dividing Americans between the small folk and "the rest". Perhaps that was Palin's doing, which only further supports why she shouldn't have been the VP pick. In either case, it's as damaging as taking a firm stand on abortion or gay marriage: you'll win some, but you'll surely lose some in the process.
Personally, I'm happy that Obama won. I'm sick of childish mud slinging in politics. In professional wrestling, it's par for the course. But I'd rather see a calm, professional in charge than a "cowboy" or "maverick" or "hockey mom" or whatever. Cowboys belong on ranches, mavericks at...card tables, I guess, and hockey moms at hockey games and at home. They don't belong in the White House unless they're also head strong politicians who genuinely want to strengthen this country and everyone within, as well as forging strong alliances with other nations and strengthening alliances made weak in recent years.
In the meantime, maybe Sarah Palin can fly her helicopter west and visit the backwaters of a foreign nation.
By the way, I realize my post is kinda long and biased, but this is my genuine attempt at analyzing why the Republicans lost. If they were just as willing to unite with Democrats rather than painting them as villains of a sort, they would've fared better. I'd certainly have more respect for them, at the very least. -
As a full fledged and criminally insane Republican, I can vouch for your opinion whole-heartedly. You hit the nail on the head.
The only reason why McCain lost was because of McCain. McCain could have done more to show that the current economic slowdown was the Democrat's doing. Did he? Nope. Did he even try? Nosireebob! -
It is simple game theory, the Nash Equilibrium. Two parties will try get as close to the center as possible, and hence they WILL be very close in many regards. However, over time, their will be shifts in the America public, and one or the other will benefit from that shift. Anytime another party is added, however, all they do is weaken one of the existing parties, preventing the two parties from winning office until they merge back together.
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its ever more clear that mccain didnt show that he gave a shit about the economy when it mattered most. if it were about iraq he mightve won.
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Truly a defining watershed moment for the US. BTW: Does that T-shirt exist? Fricken cool, I want one!
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Is that they take the next couple of years and recreate themselves into an actual viable party again. I for one would like to see an alternative to one party rule and dominance. We see how well that has worked the last eight years...I don't imagine it would work that good again for another eight years.
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End of.
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Sure the surge has appearantly helped (I say appearantly because we don't know what will happen in year) but Afghanistan has since fallen apart, and that was the war Americans on the right and left (well, most on the left) have supported from the beginning. It is easy to make the arguement that our involvement in Iraq has weakened us in Afghanistan.
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We fought -- we fought as hard as we could. And though we fell short, the failure is mine, not yours.
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who cares when AVATAR is fucking our eyeballs in 2009?
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anyone think she gonna do such a despicable thing?
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Not really, but considering how much the political shit throwing going on here has drained me for the night I might as well start an argument about a movie before I go to bed.
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it will suck i assure you it will look ridiculas and will mark the downfall of cameron.
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Nov 05, 2008 4:00:45 AM CST
That T-shirt does infact exist- but not in Sillllllllkkkk
by dracula_wants_the_amulet
I want a warm smooth soft black silk version. The damn picture makes it look like silk. Alex Ross did the artwork. Love his Vampire Bush.
http://www.stylinonline.com/barrackobama.html -
Oh come on, even the Nazi's were voting for Obama because McCain scared them:
http://www.esquire.com/the-side/feature/racists-support-obama-061308 -
Nov 05, 2008 4:01:02 AM CST
I hold in my heart nothing but love for this country - McCain
by dioxholster
Tonight -- tonight, more than any night, I hold in my heart nothing but love for this country and for all its citizens, whether they supported me or Sen. Obama -- whether they supported me or Sen. Obama. --mcCain
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"Americans never quit. We never surrender." -McCain...its a Galaxy Quest moment, dont u think?
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C'mon dioxholster. Give the guy a little more respect than that. Good movie, but not a very profound one.
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Nov 05, 2008 4:04:57 AM CST
No Palin for Pres- Michelle Obama will be Pres
by dracula_wants_the_amulet
After Her Husband finishes his second term in 2016.
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Nov 05, 2008 4:06:04 AM CST
If the republicans were truly serious about being Republicans
by malificus
they should have rallied behind Ron Paul since he was the only true Republican running, and the only Constitutionalist even involved in the race at all. Instead they stood back and rolled their eyes and made faces while he talked and looked like total douchebags which is ironic since everything he said they should have said "Me too!" to. But hey, never fear, change is here, and now every working American will finally get a fair shake, NAFTA will be repealed, big business will start to re-invest in the American workforce, hiring will skyrocket, gas will plummet to below a $1 a gallon, the troops abroad will be brought home, unequal trade practices will cease, fractional reserve banking will be repaired and the stock market will soar, everyone will have health care and we'll all be farting Sweet Tarts and shitting Skittles. How grand it will all be... You know, either that or the country will further descend into the stinking cesspit dug for it.
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I didn't want Hilary to run because I don't want any more dynasties after Bush. We are a democracy, not an aristocracy.
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...anymore. Congratulations, finally an educated and presentable guy as your leader. Get ready for some fresh love from the rest of the world.
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harry, dude, you kinda look like karl rove.
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it mightve been a comedy but it was emotional as well. sadly McCain doesnt have the Omega device with him.
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Absolutely amazing
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Nov 05, 2008 4:23:03 AM CST
McCain was smart by picking Palin? WTF? He never picked her....
by the founder
it Karl Rove and the other RNC string pullers that pushed her on Mccain. McCain wanted Liberman. but was gonna go with Pawlenty or whatever his name is from Minn. Palin was Rove and his puppets pick. She was political pure and simple. The Republicans thought that they could keep her from the media and they even launched that fake outrage over that liberal media crap to keep her from talking to the mainstream press. I'm glad that shit blew up in their faces. Just like those negative attacks and trying to make the race about culture and not issues.
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but to me he's still just a jive-talkin' brutha. I don't trust him at all, and have zero sympathy for you fools who do.
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In which the Galactic Empire has finally fallen and everyone celebrates around the galaxy....so where are the Ewoks?
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Nov 05, 2008 4:37:31 AM CST
"that disarms its citizens can do anything to them that it wants
by lost jarv
What a load of horseshit. In fact, arguably, a society that needs to cling to it's weaponry is an immature society that should not be entrusted with weaponry.
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Harry congrats on losing over 80 pounds. What finally made you decide to make the change? For years talkbackers were asking you to lose the weight for health reasons, but you would just deflect their comments. I have an obese friend pushing 400lbs who constantly makes self effacing jokes like you and Kevin Smith make about their weight problem, but you seem to actually be making a change. What spurred you into action when concerned friends and all the health advice in the world didn't work?
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And everybody in the states beliefes that Obama will make a change, like your presidents were trully the ones in power...The neo Christians still rule your country.
Obama also believes in that ancient fairy tale about some guy in the sky and as long as you have people who make decisions based on their"beliefs" and not facts your gonna be in a world of shit...
Belief is just that, a power tool to control dumb people...Your gonna get the same shit with a different face...good luck -
Going back in time 13 seconds probably isn't far enough to change anything meanful about this election.
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I went to the rally. I experienced a life changing event. Obama has won and that means so much for America. It truly proves that we are going in the right direction. I mean a black man is our president, do you know how unbelievable that is? I could not be more proud than I am right now. I believe Obama is an absolutely genuine guy and I believe he will do everything in his power to serve this country in the best way he possibly can. We are in control of our own destiny and time will tell what that means for this nation. But I believe Obama will prove all the naysayers wrong and will be our president for the next 8 years. Change has come to American, indeed.
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for making Bam's victory sooo damn easy thanks to Georgie's pathetic admistration and policies. Vis-a-vis most of America came to their senses and voted for the "unqualified" Barrack Hussien Obama.Obama FTW!!!
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Or aliens. But PLEASE, Harry, spare us from your disgusting face...
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I think the idea of the citizens holding onto their weapons was to do with the possibility of a corrupt Government coming to power and trying to subdue the people - and the people having a means to resist that. Great in theory, and I think (though my American history is not great) that happened before, but then there's the idea that there's now billions of weapons lying around in a country where more people voted for American Idol than for the 2004 election, and where the notion of fighting for your rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness comes somewhere below fighting for a better Star Wars prequel. THAT'S where the immaturity comes in - I don't think the majority of Americans (present company mostly excepted) are ideologically mature enough to understand, let alone agree with, the fairly lofty and responsible ideals that went with the idea of arming your citizens all those years ago.
So, to sum up: I see why the citizens being armed was a good idea, but nowadays, your average citizen isn't smart or grown-up enough to be entrusted with something that dangerous.
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America has a proper leader again.
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Very well done. I'm not expecting him to heal the sick or raise the dead (as most of the news stories over here in the UK seem to think he will) but anything that isn't Bush has to be good. Now let's wait for him to start playing the saxophone and fucking his interns ;D
Seriously though, he's one brave hombre. Every nutjob KKK white supremacist is as pissed as all hell today, which is another reason why it's GREAT that Bama won. Just keep moving at those great speeches, and stick to the bulletproof booths - we need a decent Pres over there for as long as we can!
Although, as the movies have taught us, the appearance of a black President always precedes the end of the world. Is it really Judgment Day soon? Are the nutjob Christian fundamentalists right? Is the big JC coming back? Aliens? Meteors? That black oil that runs off Gary Oldman's plastic-semi-domed head? IS IT THE END OF ALL THINGS?!?!?
And for all the "it's great the President is a black guy" people: yes it is, but in fairness, he's not the blackest of black guys, is he? The White House won't become the Black House, there won't be rims on his limos or hydraulics on Air Force One, and Ice Cube isn't the VP (yet) so, although it's definitely progression in the right direction - let's give the man a chance. He has A LOT of shit to unfuck during his first year in office - give the man a chance... -
.... has been a long while... Indeed I agree with you're comments generally but the execution of said comments were... shall we say questionable.
My dear ignorant friend, are you implying that he has to be darker with rims on his 'ride' in order to qualify for this historic achievement?
My dear british brother, be careful for you run the risk of offending many...
Including me!
Hail Arrius
Indeed, all hail Obama! -
The world breathed a huge sigh of relief today. I no longer have to be embarrassed every time I meet someone when I say I'm an American. It is about time the US woke from its dream of fear from the terrorist boogieman. Now we can get on with fixing the real issues of the world - global warming, the economy, and healthcare. I voted for Obama 2 weeks ago. If you are an American and did not vote, you have no right to bitch for the next 4 years. It is that simple. You have no excuse as voting is the most basic and important right as an American.
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I think both candidates have so much to offer. One war veteran with a dynamic running mate, and one first class salesman (a compliment! Presentation is essential at the top) who happens to be also black. This was the most fascinating and exciting election I have seen from across the sea. Congrats to all you guys for your vote of change whichever way it would have gone. Obama is President, looks like one, talks like one and I am sure will be a great one for you guys.
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Obama just singlehandledly ENDED you. Red states gone Blue across the board, changing the map, its a GAME CHANGER, its a New Day, baby. TASTE THE PAIN NAZI FUCKS! YOU'RE DONE, WE WON, THATS LIFE! Now go get on your ham radio sets and broadcast your hate to each other. The VAST MAJORITY of the COUNTRY and THE WORLD has cast you to the dustbin of history. FINALLY! BUH BYE! GOBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What a glorious morning!!!
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Nah my friend, I'm just joshing, I'm actually really stoked for you all. This is REAL change, and although I think the poor guy has a hell of a job on his hands (and possibly a higher risk of assassination), I'm glad there's a black guy in the White House.
Here in the UK, we call that a burglar.
I'm KIDDING! I'M KIDDING!
As for the "darker/with rims", no, again I'm playing with stereotypical humour and hoping everyone laughs along. What I meant by not the blackest of black guys is basically a dig at the media - for years black Americans have been shown by the media (at least here in the UK) to be rappers, looters, ghetto gang members, or Denzel Washington. Hell, even Samuel L Jackson only gets respect whenever he puts the word "motherfucker" in his sentences. I think the world needs to understand that black America doesn't just begin and end with South Central LA and NWA - and Obama, by not fitting in with that stereotype we get from the media, will help to bust that sterotype. Hell, even Bill Cosby has weighed in on the "how black people are portrayed in the media" debate, and very smart his remarks were, too.
So - rejoice America! And easy on some of the jokers like myself - some of us aren't racist, we just laugh at stereotypical jokes. I'm genuinely pleased for you all. Now, about installing that KFC in that White House...
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I don’t like politics but that was simply amazing to watch history unfold right before our very eyes.
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Congratulations, President-Elect Obama. Hopefully you are not the second coming of Kimmy Carter i suspect you are.
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Nov 05, 2008 6:19:06 AM CST
I CALL CHUCK HAGEL FOR SECRETARY OF STATE OR DEFENSE
by bringingsexyback
You can take that to the bailed out bank!
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They ended themselves...
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Harry looks like a shirt-lifter with those spectacles on
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Harry, you should be the caterpillar in Tim Burton's ALICE IN WONDERLAND in that get-up. I can't BELIEVE they chose Rickman over you!
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I second Chuck Hagel in Obama's Cabinet. If he threw his hat in the ring for Pres I would have voted for him. That he was smart enough not to cemented my support. This is going to be a very interesting bipartisan Cabinet.
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Nov 05, 2008 6:27:10 AM CST
Congratulations!!! The first Affirmative Action President!!!
by coughlins laws
20% of people responding in exit polls admitted that race was the most important factor in their vote and over 60% of that group voted for Obama!!! So, that means Obama got about 12% of his vote soley because of his race, which is more than his margin of victory!!! The polls were wrong, this wasn't a blowout. Some polls had Obama up by 10% to 12%. It's looking more like 5% to 6%. So, I was indeed right. Just not right enough. I will celebrate by having to close one of my restaurants down, laying off about 40 people. Thank you Obama!!!!
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Cool name, by the way... what does it mean / come from?
Oh, and as for Obama's qualification for Presidency - all worries about his birth certificate etc aside, he's less likely to go for the big red button than any Repug (at least, that's how he seems to me), and anyone who appears t want peace over war gets my vote every day and twice on Sunday. Hey, I may be wrong - but I see McCain being much more eager to go for the nuke option than Obama, which is why I'm glad Obama won.
And in any case, at least both candidates this time round can actualy SAY the word "nuclear". I still shudder that you guys had a Pres for eight years who thought they were "nuculear weapons" - Jesus... -
Truly, it will be the most bi-partisan Administration in history. But sensibly so - no radical Rightwingers, of course. Obama will straddle that middle ever so carefully (I hope) so he can have sustained power and shut the fringes up.
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in Obama's administration. He doesn't have to pretend to be bi-partisan anymore. He has clear Democrat majorities in the Congress. We are in a recession and tax increases can do nothing but make it worse. What are you guys gonna do when Obama doesn't live up to all the hype? Where is you Bush hatred going to go now? Or has it turned into Obama love?
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Nov 05, 2008 6:33:38 AM CST
The one silver lining for me, anyway, is that the Democrats
by coughlins laws
are now in complete control of the government and the Republicans can't be blamed for anything the next Four Years. If the economy still looks like this then, Obama's got no one else to blame. Of course, it'll be a long 4 years. Congratulations again!!! Just remember, be careful what you ask for. You just elected the least qualified candidate in history who doesn't even have experience governing. He's been running for President for the last 2 years straight.
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Republicanism has been outlawed!!! Hallelujah!!! Did you put an Obama special on the menu yet? Wooot!
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With thunderous applause.
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I thought you were going to vacate these boards and never post again if McCain lost. Which was probably incentive for a lot of people to go and vote Obama. So kindly do us all a favour and fuck off. But before you go: what's a casualty?
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Nov 05, 2008 6:37:28 AM CST
You're kidding, right sexyback? You really believe that?
by coughlins laws
Why would Obama put any Republicans in his administration? The Democrats completely run the show, now. Why do you think Obama, who has never been bi-partisan his entire carreer, going back to Illinois, all of the sudden become bi-partisan? He won the White HOuse by being very partisan. He blamed every single problem in the country on Bush and the Republicans. He convinced about 5 million people to change their votes from Republican to Democrat by being partisan. Why would he be bi-partisan now?
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is dirty business. I'm shocked at all of you that somehow think Obama is this saint. Like any politician, he's a shady bastard. You're all getting caught up in the great barriers that have fallen, and failed to realize he's just another politician that's deserves questioning as much as every other one. Neither candidate was a great choice, but that's what we're stuck with. Now its time to you do your duty and start questioning his government.
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Good choice Barry! He's a Democratic loyalist - never ever wavered.
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stage in the last few months can you possibly be said to have been "right". You have been 100% wrong on everything. Well done, oh flawed Cassandra, well done indeed.
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baby like you who runs away from an argument. I just said that I have no reason to trash Obama anymore. Am I supposed to just give up on life because Obama won? You got Obama and now you have to live with him.
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God, overdramatise much? I mean, come on.
At least we're further away from nuclear armageddon than we were a week ago, under a President who couldn't even SAY the fucking word "nuclear"...
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Nov 05, 2008 6:40:55 AM CST
One thing I am right about, Lost Jarv, is I'm better than
by coughlins laws
you. I am smarter, have more money, make more money, have more friends, etc, etc, etc. By every measurable standard I am better than you. I love you, though!!!
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Well explained my dear FELLOW Brit!
Indeed you have vindicated your self.
Forgive me my dear Cocaisian friend for I have been up all night in sunny LONDON watching the coverage of the election on TV and alas I now lack the brain power to appreciate shit....
... No wait, I mean wit!
Still, I too echo your sentiments; there are successful black men other than the south central/Brixton types that are often portrayed in the media etc...
Indeed you are communicating with one right now as you read!!!!
Black, British, Successful, Businessmen, Married, Better looking than Denzel AND VERY, VERY PROUD!
And I love KFC, mutha-fucker!
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I'd much rather have Bush Left, but He's not like that. He's a better man that I can only aspire to be. That's why I voted for Him.
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Not anymore you don't. We're gonna redistribute you dry motherfucker!!!! BWAHHAHAHAAA!! Ameerka has spoken!!
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Today we are One.
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Search your feelings. It's pretty fucking obvious.
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You're better than me? Fuck right off with that you cock juggling thundercunt. Listen, cocksucker, not only have I never run away from a fucking argument on AICN (how sad that I even have to say that), but the very fact that your grossly overinflated sense of self worth coupled with a complimentrary crushing sense of insecurity (no doubt bought on in those brief moments of clarity when your prozac wears off) has forced you to post something like that proves that not only are you not better than me, but you are actually a lower form of life than every other user. Get back to gargling on Danny's piss and stop bothering your obvious superiors.
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Figuratively speaking!
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Yes. And for the record, I've been saying for ages that Obama 2008= Blair 1997. He is just miles better than McCain and about 1 million times better than Palin. It's still a historic moment, and I will not let you and your loathsome ilk sully it with such bullshit as "Affirmitive Action President" (as if you even know what that means).
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That's too funny!!! Seriously, what will you guys do when you don't have a punching bag like "Bush and the Neo-Cons" to blame everything on anymore. You do realize that everything bad that happens in the next 4 years will land squarley on Obama's narrow shoulder's, right? Or, will the line of attack be, "If Bush didn't screw it up so bad, Obama wouldn't have to deal with this". I look forward to seeing you guys squirm for the next 4 years...
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What's a casualty?
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I bet you do. While sitting in the corner rubbing yourself and muttering "Socialist" over and over again.
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'search your feelings'
That made me laugh out loud!
For the first time EVER I agree with what you're saying....
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LOL! I couldn't agree more!
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that justifies a donkey punch. Search your feelings. You know this to be true.
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Nov 05, 2008 6:57:08 AM CST
Well, on the advice of Lost Jarv, I wil now commit suicide
by coughlins laws
Thanks for making it so clear, Lost Jarv. There is no place for me in this country now that Obama is President and I was wrong about the election. Obama got 3% of the electorate to change sides, while about 15% admitted they voted for him because he is black. I guess my way of life is over. If I do kill myself, does that count as a casualty? PS- In what way are you better than me? I have more education than you and much more money than you. Plus, I'm sure I have many more friends (real life friends, not imaginary on-line people) Please explain to me how you're better than me. I don't see how you could believe that. You have shown me nothing to make me think that you even have a mind of your own...
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Is that Rush Windbaugh will have ratings again. Fuck that lump of feces.
OBAMA! I can proudly proclaim...."AMERICA...FUCK YEAH!!!" -
Nov 05, 2008 6:58:51 AM CST
ACTUALLY WE'LL BE TRACING EVERY PROBLEM OF THE NEXT 8 YEARS
by bringingsexyback
back to Bush and the NeoCons just like the wingnuts did to Clinton. It's only fair.
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for the money Obama is stealing from me and giving to you? I'll bet you don't pay any taxes at all, loser!!!
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As usual, here comes the sore racists losers. It's going to take the same amount of time to get out this mess than it took to get here, Thanks to BUSH!But we won't here that from you.
You want him to fail, so you can blame it on his race and say , I told you so. Listen, if McCain would have won, he would have the same situation, but what excuse would you have to blame if he failed?
And by the way, maybe you'll have to close your 'one of your restaurants' because people can't afford to go out and eat, due to the economic crisis, or maybe you just can't run a successful restaurant? I can't believe the stupidity. Instead of blaming the right person,(BUSH)for your troubles. You're already blaming a person, who hasn't even took office yet. WOW, just WOW.What happens if he actually made things better? Will you give him props them? I doubt it. Cause it makes it easier to blame it on someone else. Especially if he/she is BLACK.
The GOOD ol' Boys way of doing things doesn't work anymore in this country. Sorry if it seems your majority rule is slipping.
BTW- your poll assessment is wrong(via FOX NEWS I'm sure). But I'm curious why you didn't put up the poll regarding that most 'white men' voted for McCain? Wouldn't that be the same thing? Douche Bag. -
Anchorite.
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and doing well, don't give the 'still fat' morons the satisfaction of a reply!
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Thank you, I am humbled. And now craving a Fully Loaded meal. Dammit
It's something we need to address in this country for sure - otherwise if you believe the News At Ten, the only black guy NOT stabbing people is Sir Trevor McDonald, which is patently ridiculous. I believe Ainsley Harriott is mainly harmless also. And as for all the "blaming our benefits mess on immigrants"... I actually know more white dole bludgers that won't go get a job than others - in fact, every Asian (Indian / Pakistani) family I know in my area has two or three jobs, thereby giving far more in tax than they're given credit for.
But in all seriousness... it's Noel Clarke I feel for. I would LOVE to see him doing something with more range - his role as Mickey Smith on Dr Who was fantastic, mainly because he got to be the brains BEFORE he became the muscle - and in doing that busted the stereotype that a black guy on British TV can only ever be a thug. (Or Colin Salmon). Then, to get on the big screen, he wrote and directed himself as... a thug, in KIDULTHOOD and ADULTHOOD.
Shame, really. I'd like to see Noel Clarke do something totally at odds with this south-Brixton street image he seems happy to go with. Whether Obama's win will help that, only time will tell - but there's a new Pres in town, and hopefully Chiwetel Ejiofor will pop up on screen again soon, which is NEVER a bad thing.
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Something in your life has changed you for the better. Me thinks it is your wife, as your soul seems brighter, something your eyes reflect!!! I like you better without the beard and the glasses are cool, and although you are kind of goofy looking, so am I BTW, you are also handsome, in a platonic friendship sort of a way!!! Haha!!!!!Anyway, my girlfriend dumped me, thus, it is a pressing thought on my mind, as I know you are very lucky to have a wife. It seems that love, true love, is the only thing that really matters in life. It is just too bad that it can be so easily lost. Try to hold onto your lady so you will never have to miss her as much as I miss mine!!!BTW, Harry, I say we make you the second Black President!!! Ha!!! I really need to laugh!!!!
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seeing as coughdrop is my obvious superior because, despite this being an anonymous medium, he knows all about me and has ranked himself "better" than me, I'd better stop being rude to him. Listen, asshole, as I've just pointed out, the fact that you have to keep posting that you're better than me is fucking sad, insecure, erroneous and generally proof that you aren't. So please do go through with the suicide.
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This Negro is lynched. You know its only a matter of time before some redneck high on Fox News tries something. Fuckin yanks better not let any shit happen.
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but I don't believe he stabs people either. To be fair.
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And Coughlin's Laws, how CAN you blame the economic climate on a man who has been in power for less than 24 hours?
That's neo-con thinking right there. Wouldn't know a truthful statement if it buttfucked them while shouting "YEEEEE-HAAA!" and simultanouely necking Wild Turkey and munching on a Texan BBQ. Face it - for every wrong thing going on in America right now - it's all Bush, baby, it's all Bush.
Now, about your TB name...
"As for the rest of Coughlin's Laws, forget 'em. Guy was always full of shit. Ha, ha. But I guess you knew that already."
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I seriously can't believe you still spout off that you're better than someone. On AICN message boards.Nice.
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of what Obama could have gotten away with while still getting elected. I honestly don't think there is a single thing he could have done in his past that people wouldn't have overlooked. Name the most egregious act you can think of,and Obama would have won in spite of that.
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No, I don't think we need fear the Harriott.
Anthony Worrall Thompson, on the other hand, would walk up to you and bite you in the fucking neck without thinking twice. That dude scares me more than any zombie apocalypse. He's like a feral midget with vampire teeth, and every bit as unnerving as that sounds. -
still wired on that all that free socialist starbucks coffee---at least it tasted good. Tasted like...like...victory. What time is obama paintin the white house black.
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Hahaha fuck you all, there's no being humble here. Your precious fucking George Bush fucked up so bad that now a black dude with a name that sounds like Osama is president. You know it breaks your little hearts.
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I like Obama, and he'll do a great job - no doubt - but you can't help but wish it was Mr T. "If you don't quit your jibber jabber right now, you gonna meet my friend PAAAAIIIIIIIN!"
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Bring back Goldwater conservatism. . . find party leaders that actually speak to the good of the American people . . . flush racism, flush evangelicalism, flush neoconservatism, get back to basics, and figure out how to explain a reasoned position. For now though, I can't wait to see how Obama and a Democratic congress will perform. Right now, this is the reponsible party, and hopefully through their leadership, we will see the points of conflict in future debates change from 2-D character to 3-D issues. The future looks bright!
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back to actual news without your fucking election on it all the bastard time, fed up seeing you yanks on my teevee, at least you voted right this time, give yourselves a pat on the back
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to watch Celebrity Chef deathmatch. Watching Ramsey beat Jamie "Fat Twat" Oliver to death with one of his own shoes before Hugh Fearnly-Whittingstall shallow fried the carcass would be well worth the license fee.
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will not be swayed by the Dems, and that he'll do what's best. Much has been said and written that Obama really will be more centrist that people think, and not a liberal radical that people fear. I don't think he'll be the next Blair Jarv. Perhaps I'm being naive, but I think he can unite us. Maybe I just want that so much right now, to get rid of the fucking partisan bullshit, that I'm being blind right now. But I think he'll have a mixed cabinet, and will choose those that are best for the job. And unlike your racist feelings whoopingcough, I was very proud of what I saw last night. Of course there is still great division within the country, but I saw hope last night. Hope that the United States of America can heal itself, and see past stupid skin colors. I saw the amount of young people out there in Chicago, and it brought a smile to my face. I see possibilities now that maybe we can move forward.I would like to add that McCain gave a great concession speech, and I thought he was generally annoyed by the booing that went on when he mentioned Obama's name. THIS McCain was missing during the campaign.
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Chillingly prophetic words.
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Completely wrong perspective to have now. Show some dignity like Obama has always displayed, and continued to show. Disparaging the Republicans serves no purpose, but to go backwards instead of forwards.
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Holding onto Fear is not a good thing.Nor is using a horrible quote.
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Get a treadmill and watch movies from it. No joke man, you're killing yourself!
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Nov 05, 2008 7:20:32 AM CST
It was all the filibustering minority Republican Senator's fault
by shan
It was all the filibustering minority Republican Senator's fault!
Just getting in practice early. Did you think we wanted a filibuster proof majority now in this economic climate so that there's no-one else we can blame? Did you really? -
*oops*.
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I agree. But don't believe the hype. THERE IS NO GREAT DIVISION (in terms of RACE) in the country. There are some that want to keep that thought in the minds of people, so that it can stop progress. Last night shows that those with that attitude will not survive in this world economy and beyond.And I agree with your statement regarding McCain. If that McCain ran, I would have voted for him.
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No, you're probably right. Just pockets of, for lack of a better term, holdouts from the 'old' way of thinking. I will choose to believe that the McCain we saw last night was the true McCain. I probably still would not have voted for him, but I can definitely tell you that I would have respected him a hell of a lot more, especially if he didn't choose Palin.
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run away like a little bitch. Or did you have to empty the bins at the McDonalds you work at. If you try REALLY hard this week they might let you supersize your staff meal. Fetch me a Big Mac you fat fucking social inadaquete.
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The one who I was pulling for during the primaries, got me excited for a party I never affiliated with, but somehow went AWOL soon after.
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thank god no palin... *breathes sigh of relief*
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I think that in the local races, since Republicans kept some seats, it proved that the people in those states voted for the candidate whom they thought was best for them, regardless of party affiliation. I think that's what happened in my state of Connecticut with Rep Chris Shays. I just wish I could have voted out fuckheads Dodd and Liebermen yesterday as well.
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If the 'real' McCain is working in the Senate, then I think it will be of great benefit to us. Part of me wishes he was somehow in Obama's cabinet. I could think of no bigger symbol of uniting and moving forward than that.
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Looks like Prop 8 (hate?) passed in CA...
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your description of Bush is spot on. Oh no, wait, you're on about Obama aren't you. Sorry, it's just tht you went on about an inexperienced, untrustworthy individual who'll put the country into downward spiral like it had never seen before. Also, it's views such as yoru about the rest of the world being jealous of America that make the rest of the world laugh at and, sometimes, despise America and its citizens. Luckily you're views were not shared in the majority by your fellow countrymen who saw real change and redemption in Obama!
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I hope it was Obama.
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Don't let the White House door hit you in the ass "Chimpy"!
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I'm a social and fiscal conservative(that's all). That's how I would have considered voting for him. But I have to agree, he loss me totally with the Palin move. Pandering at its finest.
I lost a ton of respect for McCain when he started running as a typical, narrow minded, fear mongering republican. Showing a desperate man doing desperate things.
He's going to look back at this, and be very disappointed with how he sold his soul to win a election. If only the real McCain would have ran. We never would have heard of Palin, and without a doubt he would have been our new president.
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That is all.
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I think people automatically lose a little credibility there.
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I did give George W. Bush the benefit of the doubt--I really did and let bygones be bygones, and most of us did post 9/11--until his reckless campaign to invade Iraq. After that, it became demonstrably clear again and again that the man and his administration were seriously dangerous and incompetent.Now... why not give President Obama a chance? Hell, just give him six months. If after that time you deem him to be an left-wing extremist (and/or traitor) bent on ruining this country, then have fun beating him down for four or eight years.But I'll just bet you're going to see one of the least partisan administrations in history. Wait till he forms his cabinet. You'll see. Personally, I *wouldn't* be surprised if he brings McCain into the fold. You'll see Obama pulling a Lincoln by bringing political enemies into his camp to help him govern. Blast me later if I'm wrong.
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Lost Jarv doesn't pay US taxes.
YOU GRANITE-HEADED FUCKWIT!!!!! How often do you have to be told he lives in another country!
Why the fuck should foreigners, resident abroad, have to pay taxes to subsidise your Greasy Spoon Restaurants?
You constantly claim to be penetratingly intelligent but this simple fact - REPEATED ENDLESSLY ON THIS SITE - keeps eluding you.
Is the aluminum in your imaginary kitchens giving you Alzheimers?
How can you possibly believe you're not one of the most pitiful halfwits ever to TYPE IN CAPITALS!!! on this silly site.
I try to be a moderate person, but YOU MAY JUSTIFY EUGENIC INTERVENTION!!!
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Years of encrusted anti-Americanism is evaporating. For the past 8 years any news that involved America has been bad news. Now it feels like America won a war. I just hope that Obama can do a good job of this and not become another Jimmy Carter type.
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Nov 05, 2008 7:44:44 AM CST
What foreplay between Harry and his wife might look like...
by lou stools
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa106/pootie39/Menz/wtf-2.jpg
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Nov 05, 2008 7:45:11 AM CST
Actually, what the fuck's going to happen with Bush?
by blindambition238
He ain't exactly old so he's going to be still be around with us for a while. Everyone, including his own party, has been treating him like a leper and an albatross, so that eliminates most political endeavors. And I can't see him becoming a public speaker like his predecessors, cause face it, who'll pay him? A university tenure is also out of the question...
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Hahaha go fuck yourself, stupid. LOOOOSERS!
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CA resident here. Very disappointing that so many Californians couldn't see what the Church of LDS was trying to do. Many California voters thought they were stemming the tide on re-defining marriage but LDS has now successfully tied the institution of marriage to the possibility of procreation. And what form of marriage is best suited for procreation???
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Congratulations, from one delighted Brit.
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Yeah, I think you would have been joined by a lot of people in that boat if McCain's campaign had played out that way, instead of the trainwreck it was.And I sincerely hope Palin is not their choice in 2012. Aaarrrrggghhh!
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I see you are one of the "enlightened" nuts on the left. Sweet.BTW, I voted for Obama, but I guess you don't read very well with all of my posts this morning?It's time to move on. No more dividing the country in half.Now excuse me while I go "fuck myself". This shouldn't take long, I'm usually pretty quick.
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I can't be arsed to keep telling him that. It's beyond tedious
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so harry i know your all for free thought but PRESIDENT-ELECT OBAMA. sounding a bit STRONG to me. FUCK FREE WORLD. ps i know my name is misspelt please help me with that
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A great moment in history for you all.
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Polygamy. Duh..
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next. And if I have to repeat that (again) I may well have to make a voodoo doll of him and spend the next 3 hours burning it with a cigarette.
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Nov 05, 2008 7:52:09 AM CST
"So this is how liberty dies...to thunderous applause"
by troutmaskreplicant
Sith was on tv on Saturday night. I walked into the room, heard Natalie Portman deliver that line so very badly and laughed out loud. It's worth noting that if McCain had won there'd be no thunderous applause just an eerie mechanical screeching noise. Because obviously only Democrats can clap.
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HOLY SHIT*
From the AP: No George Bush sewage plant for San Francisco
The Associated Press
Article Launched: 11/04/2008 03:53:27 PM PST
SAN FRANCISCO—San Francisco voters have turned down the chance to rename a local sewage plant after President Bush.
Voters rejected Proposition R, a lighthearted attempt to memorialize the outgoing president at the Oceanside Water Pollution Control Plant.
The measure's supporters say calling it the George W. Bush Sewage Plant would have been a fitting tribute to the 43rd president. They blamed Bush for a long list of national woes from the Iraq war to the slumping economy.
Some critics had pointed out the name switch would have been unfair—to the hard-working sewage plant.
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I was on the fence all the way up till the end when I saw both the House and the Senate going to the left. That's not good. There's supposed to be balance. Hence, I voted M/P. Some of you celeb types make well over what everyone else makes, so you lose touch with reality. Thinking however much of a tax hike there is, it's not going to affect you... As a double income family just barely making it in an overpriced MA market, I'm worried for my child's daycare, I'm worried I won't be able to afford my morgage. These are the facts. Before Reagan, "middle class" families were getting taxed 70%. Reagan cut it down to 25. How many of you out there can afford 70% of your wages taken away and given to the government? That would really redistribute the wealth. Put a whole bunch of us in the poorhouse. I really hope the dems are right... And that Obama and a democratic majority in Congress is really what we need. Because if not. I don't even want to think it. Enjoy the party. Here's hoping come January and then January of next year and the following year we're "all" still partying.
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Last night was unbelievable. To have a president I can respect is an incredible feeling. An intelligent man in the white house who could have seen it coming?
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I ordered that shake hours ago. If service is this shit in all his "restaurants" theen its no wonder he's having to close them down. Just as well he can blame it on the Democrats.
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I went to sleep but speaking to your point about what Obama has on his site vs what he'll actually do - that's a little unfair and full of conjecture to me. I don't think you can assume that he's going to deviate substantially from it, at least not intentionally. That's just stinkin' thinkin' ... And I am not the world's biggest Obama cheerleader, I just like to give people the benefit of the doubt.And this is a world-changing election. Just perception-wise, it makes a huge difference. I saw on TV now that the Taliban wants to negotiate with our President-Elect. Hopefully it's true.
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That idiot somehow manages to enrage me to the point of braincleaving homicide every time he posts.
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Generally posters just don't annoy me that much, but there are a select few anuerism inducing attitude cases that drive me batshit mad. He's one of them, BlackAnimalRobot is another, but mostly they just get banned.
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Well on one hand I am embarassed by the stupidity of Americans...but on the other hand I am poor so I am looking forward to taking rich people's money they don't really deserve!
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1.) The hologram on CNN was pointless.
2.) CNN has douchebags for commentators and hosts.
3.) MSNBC host Olberman pissed himself.
4.) Sean Hannity is probably moving to Alaska.
5.) John McCain gave a great concession speech.
6.) Obama gave a great acceptance speech.
7.) Last night was a huge win for democracy.
8.) Let the healing begin.
9.) If this election has taught us anything, it's that racism, sexism, and ageism still exist.
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Welcome back McCarthy; we missed you.
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Great, insightful post.Note to Timelord2112: that was full of sarcasm.
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Yeah, what was up with that stupid holgram? It would have been funny if they went all Tron with it though.
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"I was indeed right. Just not right enough."In other words, you were wrong.
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They go from one extreme to the other without a hint of common-sense in between.
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1. Smooth talking + saying anything + hundreds of millions of dollars + the media on your side = getting elected as our next President Of The United States Of America. The most qualified man for the job doesn’t always win.
2. One party in control of the House, the Senate, and the White House - the Democrats - is the perfect antidote for the ailing Republican Party. We need a few years to reorganize and get our act together. We need to find and equip the next generation of young Republicans.
3. If John McCain DID pull off the miracle upset and had won this election then we would have the same problem that we’ve had since the end of 2000. That would be bitter Democrats who actually believe that the election was stolen from them - only this time the bitterness would be racially-motivated. It’s harder to run this country and set its agenda for the next four years when half of the country disrespects you from the very start. President George W. Bush was obviously the most disrespected President in modern United States history. The same would happen to John McCain as well. A Barack Obama presidency would begin the healing process. I just hope that the media has the balls to report both sides of such a presidency - not just the ‘feel-good’ positive news.
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In fact, we're stronger than ever now. Congratulations, America (and the rest of the world)...We did it! YES, WE DID!!!
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You want to critique the intellectual attainments of other people ...
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"President George W. Bush was obviously the most disrespected President in modern United States history." For good fucking reason, and you made a balls up of it despite having congress for 6 FUCKING YEARS. It was gross stupidity and incompetence that landed the Republican Party in the mess it's in. Just as well George wasn't caught getting an illicit blowjob, eh? Then you'd really have shat one, wouldn't you?
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Nov 05, 2008 8:30:30 AM CST
Americans are dumb so u might not know what socialism is..
by timelord2112
That redistribution of wealth thing Obama is for? That's right!
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Nov 05, 2008 8:30:41 AM CST
someone said in the other post, cough ate a bullet...
by irrelevntelefant
he didn't use a gun, he's too stupid. he literally ate it...
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"1.) The hologram on CNN was pointless..."
LOL! I thought the same thing... What the hell was that for? I was half expecting the reporter to say "Help me Obi-Wan, you're my only hope."
Then when John King did that 3D hologram of the US Senate, I half expected Admiral Ackbar to walk in and say "You can see here the Death Star orbiting the forrest moon of Endor..."
Hilarious!
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Harry. You don't actually think they are a real news organization do you?
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... about as sharp as a Bowling Ball.
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...congrats on the new President. Now let's see if he's a man of his word.
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the next 4 years will be far less painful on you than the last 4 years have been... I'm sure in 2012, when the world hasn't come to an end and America has actually improved her situation, you'll all tune into Rush to figure out how to spin it negative.... but in your hearts you will be saying 'thank you' leftist elitists, and we'll say "suck it bitch"
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Bill Hicks will be crying tears of joy from the grave.
I always knew there were plenty of Americans with brains. You just proved it. There's a room full of Brits here smiling for ya'. You can do it - YES YOU CAN!!!! -
because now Canadians have the whitest, most boring world leader. With McCain it wouldn't be so bad but theres such a huge difference now Harper won't look good standing next to anyone except maybe the Austrailian PM
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You uninformed losers whining about all the shit Obama's supposedly going to do, when there is no indication he will do it except your feverish and paranoid imaginations ... have just been trumped by Nuck Futs whose assertions about what would have happened had McCain won take the cake in terms of self-indulgent fantasies. At least the people gratuitously worried about an Obama administration are talking about the future instead of some recent past that is never gonna happen.
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Next time you feel the need to repeat Republican talking points about the Canadian health care system... well, just don't: 10 months wait for a bed? You honestly believe that? Moron.
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You owe everyone one million internets for that post. Pay up.
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Dead tired and hungover.So I have to give props to McCain for delivering a great concession speech.I wondered as he and Palin walked off the stage if that will be the last time they'll ever speak to each other. They didn't seem to want to acknowledge the others existence last night.And Coughlins still hangs on to his numbers. Like Missouri going to McCain is consolation.North Carolina made me proud. It didn't figure into the election as I had predicted, but I'm glad to see our Tarheels aren't the only thing that's blue around here.Am I the only person who feels like the audience at the end of The Truman Show when Jim Carrey leaves the dome and it's time to find something else to watch?I may actually have to watch Fox News for the next few months just to see what the Bataan Death March looked like.
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... are you disrespecting our Kevin "TinTin" Rudd?
Socialism with Brains.
The Little Geek Who Could.
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First off, let me say, "Ha-Ha!" (as voiced by Nelson from The Simpsons)
Secondly, where have you been? The election has always been decided by the criteria you mentioned. Think back to a suave, black hair-dyed "actor" named Ronald Reagan in his finest role. Think back to the big oil money candidate from Texas - a fucking disaster! BOO-HOO! The media! The media! Well, according to you REPUBLICANS, the media has always been liberal. However, the media didn't seem to hinder that "cowboy" NumbNut from getting elected TWICE! -
Bitter much?So let me get this straight, you think Bush didn't deserve the criticism he's received for the past eight years? Really?
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Yay for Barrack Hussein Obama bin Laden! Maybe his pal Ahmadinijad can be Sec Def?
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No, we've got that one sewn up for the next two years- which is the earliest time we can boot Gordon "Fat useless cunt" Brown.
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Whether he can make any changes or not, he is a great symbol of hope for a better future. I wish you lot the best cause it aint gonna be easy.
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What's worse is that Will. I. Am., who is a tool himself, tried to make a Star Wars reference but Anderson Cooper took it as a Star Trek reference. What's wrong with being live via satellite? Absolutely retarded.
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little bitch. Are you hiding in the supply cupboard cupping your undersized balls and crying again?
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"sure, I could have done some things differently"...
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Nov 05, 2008 8:52:55 AM CST
Coughlins & Cotton are two of the dumbest pieces of zombie shit
by toadkillerdog
To have ever 'graced' these boards. Coughlins - who 'predicted' McCains victory in Ohio, PA, VA and the general election was wrong in every respect. And yet he claims - hysterically, that he was proven correct. *shaking my head in disbelief*. And Couglins, Jarv's Toe clippinbgs are smarter than you will ever be. Cotton is so twisted that he thinks the only way a Black Man could win the election is if he employed some Nazi trick. You asshole, when you invoke Hitlers name in any context, it just shows what kind of a moron you really are, because it shows that you have no real argument, and simply fall back on using the worst example in human history to help your inadequate brain deal with a result you can not comprehend. It is the 'hey I don't like what just happened, so it must be bad, and the worsetestses baddessss thing I can think of to explain it is ...is..Hitler! Yeah. it must be some Hitler thing. Wow I feel better now' You are a POS.
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You should have gone out this year at Charles Laughton. You're the spitting image of him at this point. An obscure, inspired choice this year, but didn't you get tired of explainging it to people? I'm the Indian killer ... from Body Double....you know the Brain DePalma Rear Window knock off...the one with the naked Melanie Griffith..yeah, that one
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Nov 05, 2008 8:55:24 AM CST
coughlin is masturbating angrily to Palins Pageant video
by irrelevntelefant
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Put down the crack pipe.
Turn of the computer.
Book yourself into a 12 step program.
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is that as in faeces of the undead or evil faeces that returns from beyond the U-bend to terrorise your bathroom?
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Jon Stewart when talking about Connecticut going to Obama: It's called the Nutmeg state because while it is nice to have, it is not essential.
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He's looking up "casualty". Of course, he's looking it up in a recipe book, but at least he's trying.
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I heard on the radio this morning that Ralph Nader stated on Fox News that Obama has the choice to be an Uncle Sam for the people or an Uncle Tom for the corporations. Sheppard Smith actually took him to task, and asked him about such a racially targeted response. And Nader didn't get it.Proof that Nader is not only a major douchebag, but a major clueless douchebag. Bye, bye Nader, enjoy for trip to obscurity.
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racism once flourished.
It's great to have the first black president. Slightly less encouraging that over 70% of black women voted Yes on Prop 8.
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An inexperienced, naive, hard-left quasi-socialist to take on two wars and the worst economy in 70 years?? The next 4 years will be a nail biter. America really got it wrong.
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Funny.
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You and Timelord should be bunk bed buddies.
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Yeah, because if taxes are returned to pre-bush levels, suddenly corporations will find it profitable to fire their entire work force. And it will rain fire. You obviously have an MBA. Sorry, I don't subscribe to the belief that everyone is entitled to their opinions. That got us in the mess we're in now. If your opinion is wrong, and is hurting the nation, it needs to be changed. Your opinion isn't even yours, you're just parroting the same, tired, trickle down nonsense that rich people have always supported because IT LOWERS THEIR TAXES, and if all of the rest of your arguments are an indication, you get all of "your" opinions directly from the right wing talking points of the day. Answer this: since we have historically low taxes for the rich NOW, we have more emphasis on supply side NOW, we have greater concentration of wealth NOW, after 8 years of Bush getting his way and cutting taxes, with NO progressive reform comming from congress, WHY is the system failing if it works so well? WHY was the nation MORE prosperous when the taxes on the rich were higher? Hell, the halcyon 50's you right-wing bigots love so much featured a 93% tax bracket for the wealthy. There were still businesses, and you know what? Unemployment was LOWER. Business still survived and people got rich. Rich people get rich by having the poeple of this nation by their goods or serviced. If you revamp the regulations so the people have no money, then business can't function and people lose their jobs. Like now. So stop wasting our time with your lame propaganda, and cretinous opinions.
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Yeah that is a sad thing that happened. California, I thought you were supposed to be so progressive ... damn.
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No kidding. Arkansas saying someone who is gay can't adopt a kid????I can only hope this is the next barrier to fall.
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kill yourself. higher taxes usually result in a better society you dumb fuck.
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Nader is indeed a fucking asshole.
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Bush squandered his popularity with indefensible mistakes and decisions. I did not vote for him either time (though I did vote for his father the first time), so I was not in his camp. But after 9/11, after the magnificent speech he gave at the SOU, he was my President, and I would have re-enlisted and jumped into any foxhole, in any country on this planet if he had ordered it. And that is no exagerration. He was MY President, and MY country had been attacked. He stood at the precipice of history, he could have gone down as one of th the greatest Presidents of all time. He had unprecedented support here and abroad. Only the truly left wing nut cases begrudged him anything. And when confronted with what should have been his mandated destiny to unite this country the likes of which had not been seen since WWII, when presented the opportunity to use that popularity - and worldwide outrage at what had happened, to greater good, he fell back into a petty, neocon wet dream of a war, and ruined his legacy, and sent young men and women who beleived in him to their untimely deaths. Bush deserves the pillory he gets.
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Can I get an amen
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NAAAAAAAAAAAA! fuck that, let every Democrat gloat for a while as they watch the wingnuts sulk.
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Coughlins Laws!
"McCain is back on top in Florida, is tied in Pennsylvania, ahead in Ohio, and surging in Virginia. It's all about momentum and McCain has it where it matters. Obama's in for a LONG night tomorrow!!! I can't wait to rub in your faces, either..."
"Not looking good for Obama. He's not ahead in the exit polls in Ohio, Florida, Indiana, or North Carolina. Remember, all throughout the primaries he underperformed in the exit polls in Red States by about 7 points. It doesn't look like so far that Obama is going to pick off any Red State except, maybe, Colorado, and that won't be enough..."
"Are you telling me that you don't even have a hint of doubt? You realize all of these polls with Obama ahead assume that the Dem edge over Repbulicans are about 40% Dem to 30% Rep, right? They are assuming that every single new Democrat will show up to vote. Well, I've got news for you. The most unreliable voting bloc every single cycle is young people. If the youth vote doesn't come out like they think it will, Obama can't win. He is tied or is losing in very other age group. So, get cocky if you want. But just remember, if the same Rep to Dem split that happenned in 2004 happens this year, Dems and Reps about even, McCain wins by 3 or 4 points. It's all about turn-out which the Republicans have been great at the last decade and that the Democrats just haven't been doing..."
"Most of the polls, even the crazy ones with Obama up by 5 to 10, have McCain leading in Florida, now. Sorry, but there's no way that Obama wins Florida. FYI, McCain's rally was at 9am and unlike most Democrats, Republicans have jobs..."
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I have enjoyed your despair these past few hours. Kill yourselves.
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"So, I was indeed right. Just not right enough."
I guess that's one way to look at it...
That's like getting an F on an exam and then saying "well I got 30/100 so I was partially right."
There were no doubt votes that Obama lost due to his race too. The fact is, like him or hate him, Obama won:
1. The Electoral College handily.
2. The Popular Vote... a closer race for sure, but he still pulled in something like 52% vs McCain's 46%.
It was a decisive win, no matter what the voters motivations were. I'm not even a democrat, but at least I can admit that.
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but all the xenophobic, homophobic warmongers around here need to go eat a dick
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That's because you are reasonable, like other Republicans or Independents. Coughingfit is part of a group that's the exception.
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Enough with the kill yourselves and eat a dick comments. That ain't gonna change any of the bullshit that went down the previous eight years, nor does it help us in the coming four.
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As described in the Book of the Liberal Warrior - may his greatness live forever, Zombie Shit represents the nadir in intelligence, being as it is the waste product of a brain dead walking cadaver.
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Time for change -- for the better.
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you done good, the world thanks you - You don't care, but we do anyway!
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Re: Fox forums - got a link?
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Have you ever actually been to Europe? or are you, as I suspect, one of those moronic evangelical republicans that doesn't own a passport but still spouts off shit about the rest of the world? Europe is pretty great and I would happily move to Spain or Italy in a fucking heartbeat.
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"but all the xenophobic, homophobic warmongers around here need to go eat a dick"
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"but all the xenophobic, homophobic warmongers around here need to go eat a dick"Correction: they need to eat a BAG of dicks.The best part of the next few weeks will be seeing cars with the remnants of ripped off McCain/Palin stickers.
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So where are you moving to?It's good that both sides here are conveying a real 'united' spirit."Fuck you neo-con bastards!""We're fucking doomed with the wacko lib at the helm!"This is an opportunity to take the country in a new direction. I'm not talking about socialism, but actually working together with the rest of the world. Does anyone remember doing that?
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Please repeat that post every time Coughlins comes on these boards to say he was right or smarter than everyone or has more body lice (well that last one is correct) etc. etc.
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hologram McCain onboard the holodeck suite of the USS Enterprise.
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No killin' what can't be killed... You can't see the eyes of the demon...until he come callin'
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Your seperate fantasy reality is no longer supportable. The GOP can fool some people all of the time, or all of the people some of the time, and there just aren't enough fools left to win elections. Come back to reality, and rebuild your party based on true conservative values (not crazy, bring Jesus back by bombing the world while spending us into bankruptcy with corporate scialism while trying to build an economy based on nothing but infinite debt - looney values), and you'll be back in power in only a few decades. Come back to the light, and give up your Hannity/Limbaugh fever dreams.
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I love that part myself.
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It was a very sad thing. I did all I could. Explained to everyone I knew that this is not a Gay Marriage issue-- it is a Civil Rights issue. Who the fuck is the government to decide who can and can't get married. I'm sure every married couple of different race that voted YES on 8 would love to have a Constitutional Amendment tell them they cannot wed. FUCKING MORMONS flooded the state from all over the country and marched the streets, sinking millions of dollars into "PRESERVING TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE." FUCK YOU MORMONS. YOU SHOULD BE PROUD....FINANCING HATRED IN THIS COUNTRY. Lets not forget, this is the church that still said non-whites could not get into heaven up until the 70s.
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"I have enjoyed your despair these past few hours. Kill yourselves."
Nope. Liberals are still pretty much liberals.But, I must confess, had Palin/McNugget pulled it out of the fire, I'd be looking forward to the sweet taste of leftist tears. But I wouldn't want anybody to kill themselves. Because then I wouldn't have been able to drink their sweet, sweet tears.You guys have the Senate, the House and the Presidency. I expect America to become an egalitarian Utopia in short order. Get to work. -
We care-- support from other nations in this election means a ton to Democrats. Its the Republicans that scoff at the idea that the rest of the world matters.
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I'd like to thank George Bush for committing crimes at the speed of byte and for fucking up everything he got his hands on. I'd also like to thank him and his company for creating a faceless "terrorist" demon that we could all get behind, thus moving Blacks up the totem pole of prejudice. Thank you for making "them" a little bit more like "us" in the eyes of most Americans. Because of these three things, and the fact that Obama is easily the greatest speaker I've ever seen, who oozes not just charm but credibility and honesty--yes, because of this fine brew of ingredients, we finally, FINALLY have a Black family in the White House. (Paging Jack Baeur! Come in, Jack Baeur!) All ye racists can suck it. Your days are over. And yes, every bad thing that happens in the next 4 years falls squarely on the dems' shoulders, but since they are less likely to screw us into the ground (further, as if that's possible) for a corporate buck, I'm fine with that. How about you?
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That liberal was a liberal Republican named Abraham Lincoln.
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When they were showing the celebrations in foreign nations I kept expecting: "We go live to the moon of Endor, where the Ewoks are celebrating Barrack Obama's victory."
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Hmm, makes sense.
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"it's looking like a lock for McCain to win Ohio, Florida, and Indiana."
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Nov 05, 2008 9:36:52 AM CST
The Star Wars ending...celebration around the galaxy!!
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Thats weird. My friend kept saying the exact thing last night. He said it was like Ewoks dancing all over the world.
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Ending slavery, unifying the country after all the secessions were liberal agendas.
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On CNN they had an actual holographic image of a reporter that looked suspiciously like something out of Star Wars?! Useless but cool. But Bush still has 70 days to execute order 66. Can't wait to see how he tops his dad who, if you'll recall, actually sent troops into Somalia as a welcome gift for Clinton.
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Correction: "CORPORATE AMERICA STILL HAS the Senate, the House and the Presidency."
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Jesus, would these idiot neo con republicans ever go away. "Oh wrong man for the job" Grow some brain cells you tool, it's the republican party's policies that has created the situation. "he's gonna turn America into a socialist state" morons don't even know what socialism is. this stubborness and idiocy continues to astound me. cretins.
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There's so much deluded and misinformed crap in that post that I actually can not be arsed to go through it. You, sir, are a prize tool.
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"living with parents" reference as well. As I said before, you really are a prize tool
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Inexperienced lefty at the helm: check.
Congress with a mandate for change: check
Sitting President under fire, super - high disapproval ratings: check
Really great movie coming out in a few months that will revolutionize - nay, establish geekdom: uh, no.
With no 'Star Wars' to look forward to, I don't think I like this flashback very much. Things that will also be lacking: A second 'Boston' album. 'Rumors' by Fleetwood Mac. Smokey and the Bandit movies. Mr. Roarke and Fantasy Island. Cheryl Tieg's poster.
Yeah, the politics are the only thing that matches that parallel world when I was eleven. I think this time around, it's going to be less fun. Usually is. Well, if it's a real parallel universe, this President and Congress will grind everything to a halt and in 2012 we'll be electing Ron Silver president.
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You do know that freeing the slaves was not uppermost in Lincolns mind, and in fact, he would have kept status quo had not the South declared war over his election, not because they feared he would free the slaves, but because they feared he would stop the expansion of slavery into the new territories.
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Yeah, good money wasted on fucking bludgers, Stan Gable.
All those
Disabled vets.
Sick and poor people.
Kids who need education.
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To echo the rest, I hope you're kidding. If not, go hide in your basement for the next 8 years, you stupid fuck.
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I was just going to say that it felt like the end of Jedi! A long dark time has come to an end.
Everything about Obama is inspiring.
I once again look upon America with admiration.
Why the fuck should you care what other nations think? You shouldn't, but the fact is I am proud to call you my American cousins again.
A great shroud of evil had been lifted.
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You're right. No more gloating. Time to let go of the anger and look to the future. I guess 8 years of Bush is hard to flush out of my system in only one night.
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When they keep talking about how Obama is a socialist, I keep wishing he was. He isn't.
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"There were no doubt votes that Obama lost due to his race too"
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I know it was not the first thing on his mind. His real agenda was keeping the union. But it (ending slavery) was still one of the goals of Lincoln's admin.
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Nov 05, 2008 9:44:55 AM CST
There was a moment when Karl Rove was about to cry...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...I shit you not. It was about 10pm eastern time. He was pointing to the national map, standing with someone else-- and he just stopped talking for a second and looked very very fucking troubled.
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LOL! Brilliantly said.
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I don't agree with your politics, BUT I completely agree with you on the crazy far left spouting hateful comments at the Republicans. Believe me, I think the Bush administration is a complete and utter disaster, and the Republicans have lost their way as a party. That is absolute no reason to become hateful. Obama won. Time to move on and actually improve the mess we are currently in. THAT is where the energy should be focused.BTW, still time traveling?
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"I am smarter, have more money, make more money, have more friends, etc, etc, etc. By every measurable standard I am better than you" Just sums him up completely
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Personally I'm not part of this "Let's bash Lincoln because saving the slaves wasn't his first priority" group. He saved the slaves TO save the Union. It doesn't make it any less of an achievement, the fact that he did it.
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Nov 05, 2008 9:47:11 AM CST
Thunderbolt, by the powers vested in me as a warciple of CoC
by toadkillerdog
I hereby authorize and require that you post Coughlins comments on the election every time he lifts his beak from the long dead maggot infested rotting carcass of a diseased wildebeast to spew forth his 'smartness'.
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"If I could save the Union without freeing any slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could do it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also so that"
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Be a jedi, like your father before you.
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Because the next 4 years are going to taste like Mugabe country. UNITED STATES OF AFRICA FTW!!
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I'm not bashing Lincoln. My original point is that people who bash liberals need to remember that one of the great liberals was a Republican.
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After all the choruses of "get over it" and the smug self congratulation in 2000 and 2004, I'm not above being petty. You think McCain went home and beat his wife again? Of course, the elections finished pretty late, he probably hardly remembers, and will have to have a staffer remind him no campaigning today. At least Palin got a lot of nice clothes for all the wasted effort.
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Believe me, I'm thrilled that we actually elected a good person this time, someone who's about to change the way the world perceives our country and our people.
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"most of them do not go to college"
Yeah, because MOST Americans DO go to college......right....? Right....?
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we're Warciples. 2True does not deal in tolerance, patience and kindness. No, he rains leaden death and flying possum attacks down on shitheels and infidels. This is the true path to enlightenment, where you will be able to properly appreciate the majesty of such cinema classics as Leprechaun in Space.
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Look, if we survived FDR, we'll survive Obama. If we survived LBJ, we'll survive Obama. If we survive one of the biggest liberals to every sit in the Oval Office--Richard M. Nixon--we will survive Obama.And the reality is, despite the fantasies of a sudden and permanent majority and a lock on all three branches of government some Democrats are now deluding themselves with (the Republicans did this, too, and where is their "permanent majority" now?), a Republican will sit in the Whitehouse again. Before Obama, we had eight years of Bush. Before eight years of Bush, we had eight years of Clinton. Before eight years of Clinton, we had 12 years of Reagan/Bush. Before 12 years of Reagan/Bush, we had 4 years of Carter. Before 4 years of Carter, we had 8 years of Nixon/Ford. Before 8 years of Nixon/Ford, we have 8 years of Kennedy/Johnson. Before 8 years of Kennedy/Johnson, we had eight years of Eisenhower. Notice a pattern? On average, every eight years, the incumbent party loses with Whitehouse. Whaddaya know.
If history holds, Republicans will gain seats in the house and senate in 2010. If they nationalize the election (something I'm dubious of), they could regain majorities in one or both houses. If Obama wins in 2012 (at this point, likely, given historical trends and the power of incumbency), 2014 mid-terms will probably see significant Republican gains in the house and senate, and turn the remainder of the Obama presidency into a lame-duck presidency. Which has, historically, happened repeatedly, and it is a trend that has gotten stronger over the past 50 years.
But it's no "goodbye America". America endured years of a top marginal tax rate of 91%. And it was still America. We endured wage-and-price controls under Nixon that strangled the economy, and it was still America. And Obama hasn't even started to govern yet. He may prove to be a moderate, thoughtful president. Certainly, that's how he ran his campaign.
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I'm not bashing Lincoln either. I agree with you. But throwing around this Lincoln was a Republican as bragging rights doesn't mean much. The Republicans were the Progressives. The names have basically flipped now.
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I voted all the way from Korea. It was agony having to wait until Wednesday afternoon to find out who won. Go Barack
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Very fun election to watch. Let's hope we can all come together and work on fixing the problems we face in this country.
Congratulations to Obama. It feels good to have someone coming aboard that you have faith in that can lead the charge and get us back on track. He knows it will be hard, and there will be setbacks along the way, but it's a positive start.
Electoral college sucks. I hate seeing posts on here slamming "red" states, when there were Obama voters in these states, but since they were a smaller number, their vote doesn't count. Case in point: Missouri. I'm in Missouri. I voted for Obama. He loses Missouri by about 6000 votes. Electorals go to McCain. My vote doesn't count. Abolish the electoral college. -
The guy just cannot stop talking, and that's his problem. He's a terrible listener. He's got that radical Left agenda so burned into his brain he can't even stand back and appreciate the historical and cultural phenomenon this country is celebrating. Nader's a relic. Good riddance.
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Nov 05, 2008 9:56:42 AM CST
Maybe Coughlin has a glimmer of dignity after all..
by half-baked-goggle-box-do-gooder
Who wagered the dumb bastard that whichever's favorite won the election, then the other guy has to disappear from aicn? FOREVER?
While I don't remember Coughlin specifically agreeing to those terms, his (it's) silence may be an indicator of defeat and living up to the bet.
I wouldn't bet money on it, though. More likely the "C" Word is at this minute trying to explain to his mom exactly why he hurled an ashtray through her TV screen last night and is using up his precious TB time trying to convince her that he'll replace it with a nicer, shinier one.
The ashtray, that is. I don't imagine the tips are very good bussing tables at McDonald's; He's gonna have to find another way to replace the TV - Maybe he can file a claim with one of the new imaginary "socialist" government agencies that promise to buy everybody a big-screen tv using rich people's tax dollars.... -
"Because the next 4 years are going to taste like Mugabe country."
All right. Fine. Turns out both liberals and conservatives are major assholes. Barack Obama is not frickin' Mugabe. Come on. While libs think Bush was a disaster, and I tend to fear Barack will be a "disaster", Barack Obama is not going to be frickin' Robert Mugabe. In any sense. Come on, pipples. -
Nov 05, 2008 9:58:16 AM CST
OBAMA NEW APPOINTMENT: NANCY PELOSI CHIEF OF REDISTRIBUTION
by bringingsexyback
Good choice!!!
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....and we have all had a lot of fun at the expense of his meager intellect. Hey Coughlins....WATCH THIS-- DROP DEAD YOU DUMB MOTHER FUCKER. FUCK OFF.
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Abolishing it would require a constitutional amendment. Unlikely, but since the EC favors the republicans, and the Dems are back in the driver's seat, it is possible.
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Actually, I'm pretty excited Obama won....tired of these evangelical nutbags running the show.
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...the ragged homeless guy who lives in the dumpster outside your building and wanders around in a tin foil hat and piss-stained pants shouting "Bugs.... BUGSSSS!" at passersby.
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Last night I received the latest newsletter from SR and the guy came out as a McCain supporter. I responded to article and called McCain a "Crotchety Old Man" and referred to Palin as "Bible Spice". He wasn't very amused and told me I would be happier here at AICN. What he doesn't know is that I've been reading AICN for about 6 years. It's a shame that the other side can't be gracious when they've been basing Dems for the past eight years.
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We fought the good fight. We were bloodied in the trenches side by side. I like to think in between the jokes and "Fuck You's," we actually convinced one or two....maybe three TB'ers to vote OBAMA by pumping ridiculous amounts of honest info into the TB's. Its been fun dude...
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Especially the Will Jones choad.Lots of irrational fear and ignorance on display here.http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/11/04/cthomas_1104/
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Nov 05, 2008 10:01:29 AM CST
no reason to get rid of Electoral College....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...it would make elections a whole lot easier to steal, I know that.
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celebrating Obama's victory: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
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Wow. Just wow. Talk about just a stupid, stupid comparison.
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I told you brother....don't write off your state just yet. BELIEVE.
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Nov 05, 2008 10:05:05 AM CST
DANNYGLOVER: IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO HAVE ASSRAPED WITH YOU
by bringingsexyback
Hope to continue the battle in non-political talkbacks. Assrape FTw!
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Congratulations Obama, you just completely pulled the wool over America.
I hope your "say what they want to hear" speeches aren't too good to be true. Looks like I'll have to make more money so I can pay for everybody else that doesn't contribute to society, after all, the dems are famous for handouts.
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"BTW, still time traveling?"
Not recently. I'll get the itch again. I've been focusing time recently on my New Blog™ . . .
Come vist me, Pillowtalk. Nobody else is invited, though.
http://tinyurl.com/6f42eq
Search trends, slouching, gossip, my own right-wing-nut conservative opionism and hot chicks. Only Pillow Talk is invited. And Orcus. All others must stay away. -
Howdy Jarv, Pillow, BSB, DGDB and others! Any word on Kloipy these days?
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Pillows:
Come visit me. This new Obama utopia is so cold and lonely.http://tinyurl.com/6f42eqNot for those offended by right-wing nuttery or pictures of hot chicks. -
Coughlin's Law told me that polls had a liberal bias and that Obama was gonna lose - I wagered him that Obama would win with more than 300 EVs and Coughlin never took it. I hope now everyone realizes what a fucking idiot that man is. Piss off forever Coughlin. Here's what the polls predicted:
Swing state
RCP Final avg.
Actual result
Actual result v. poll
Ohio
Obama: 2.5%
Obama: 4.1%
Obama: +1.6%
Florida
Obama: 1.8%
Obama: 2.5%
Obama: +0.7%
Pennsylvania
Obama: 7.3%
Obama: 10.3%
Obama: +3.0%
Virginia
Obama: 4.4%
Obama: 4.5%
Obama: +0.1%
Indiana
McCain: 1.4%
Obama: 0.8%
Obama: +2.2%
North Carolina
McCain: 0.4%
Obama: 0.3%
Obama: +0.7%
Missouri
McCain: 0.7%
McCain: 0.2%
Obama: +0.5%
Colorado
Obama: 5.5%
Obama: 6.7%
Obama: +1.2%
Nevada
Obama: 6.5%
Obama: 12.5%
Obama: +6.0%
New Mexico
Obama: 7.3%
Obama: 14.9%
Obama: +7.6%
As you can see, OBAMA WON BY EVEN MORE THAN THE POLLS THOUGHT HE WOULD. Reality has a liberal bias, folks.
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"Dittoheads across the country can SUCK IT!"
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Is the "D" for "Dumbass"? Clinton reformed welfare, and he was a centrist democrat like Obama. INdeed, Obama has a lot of the same economic advisors. If you honestly think the nation is better off now then in 1998, then let me just tell you that I am a conservative commentator with a wonderfull business opportunity for you. Just send me all of your money, and you'll be rich! It's just that simple.
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with tax increases and never ending spending. I'm all for helping people, but please keep it sensible (low pork, adequate social programs budget, consistent defense budget). Please keep your promise to reach across the aisle, and not with the middle finger extended (like some of the militant lis on this board). I wish you the best in finding a solution to this fucked up economic situation that we've been left with. Finally, I'm all for new energy tech, but PLEASE do not throw all our eggs in one basket and don't abandon existing tech that works too soon. For example, allow drilling and clean coal as stop gaps to other solutions such as hydrogen. When we have tech that is reliable, available, and cost-effective I'm all for replacing oil, etc. But we can't bankrupt people just to go green NOW. It takes time to develop this stuff and build the necessary infrastructures. Again, be sensible.Finally, FUCK the militants. Seriously. You fucking people (on either side) that think you are superior than anyone who dares differ with your obviously perfect opinion. It's you fucks that are the trash. Here's a clue for you losers, it's OK to have a range of opinions in this country. Just because someone doesn't share your exact world view does not necessarily make them the fucking DEVIL.
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Nice fucking pics. I guess the Right isn't completely nutty..heh-heh-heh...
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Yes and the Republicans are famous for handouts too...to rich people who don't deserve them. Tell me again about President Bush's 700 billion payout to save us all after rich people fucked up?
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Hahaha. I don't really care.
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How goes it my fellow warciple? Haven't run across Brother Kloipy in a while...
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cmon Kwill, you would be gloating even harder if McCain won...
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Not that Coughlin's Law doesn't have, um, issues, but that's just an awesome response. Reasoned. Thoughtful. Open-minded. Sort of sums up you guys in a nutshell.
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Grammar isn't necessarily the problem - with some commas, you'd be in good shape:"There were, no doubt, votes that Obama lost due to his race too"Or use dashes.
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North Carolina did me proud. I'm still pissed about Prop 8 though.
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I haven't seen Kloipy in a long time ... hope he's doing well
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With a little elbow grease, I'm sure you could find a lot more along those lines. I think in the previous previous TB - the Sarah Palin SNL one - there were quite a few there too.
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You mean if Palin won. McNugget was not a win for conservatives, even if he won.I might relish the sweet taste of liberal tears. But I'm hoping I wouldn't tell anybody to drop dead or kill themselves. I certainly didn't do that in 1994, 2000, or 2004.
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Nov 05, 2008 10:17:13 AM CST
Wow, there may LITERALLY be an order 66! Read this....
by www.valiens.com
From Paul Marks in the New Scientist blog: "The latest request from the Pentagon jars the senses. At least, it did mine. They are looking for contractors to provide a 'Multi- Robot Pursuit System' that will let packs of robots 'search for and detect a non-cooperative human'…How long before we see packs of droids hunting down pesky demonstrators with paralyzing weapons? "
Marks quotes police technology expert Steve Wright as saying, "The giveaway here is the phrase 'a non-cooperative human subject'…What we have here are the beginnings of something designed to enable robots to hunt down humans like a pack of dogs. Once the software is perfected we can reasonably anticipate that they will become autonomous and become armed. We can also expect such systems to be equipped with human detection and tracking devices including sensors which detect human breath and the radio waves associated with a human heart beat. These are technologies already developed." -
Comment by Jenny:hmmm. funny last time i checked the popular vote (which is the american peoples direct voice) was obama 51% and mccain 48%. that is nothing to brag about. obama did not win by a landslide, in fact he barely crossed the finish line. for all you democrats and liberals out there that are blowing your smoke at us conservatives and republicans just remember the popular vote. the electoral votes don’t mean s@@@! as far as i am concerned there are a lot more bitter and angry americans that are NOT HAPPY about this hate mongering and ill experienced man getting in. i am going to laugh like hell when you are in the poor house along with us crying because he broke all his promises. this is just pathetic and a betryal to most american people. i will never accept obama because he is not an american, he is a socialist that hates this country. attending his church for 20 years that preached everything about hate just reassures this. so sad!!!!!!
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HE'LL BE BACK SOON.
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Put on 770 AM if you can listen to the radio. It is gonna be great. The lineup is: Curtis Sliwa - who is already presiding over a political suicide hotline and telling women to blame themselves for Obama's win - then we got Rush at noon then Hannity at 3. Can't wait!
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Nov 05, 2008 10:21:00 AM CST
This comment from "An Angry American" is top notch
by hawaiian organ donor
As a bi-racial person I have to say that this has to be one of the worst days in American history. I am sickened to see that people let race determine how they would vote. The numbers of black voters that turned out just because obama is black is very a disgrace. I think it is hilarious that people who live in poverty because of their own choices in life to not get an education, do drugs and commit crimes really believe that obama is going to changes things for them. News flash people you’re where you are because of your choices and not president regardless of race is going to change that. When are black people going to realize that it is not anyone’s fault but their own that they are living in poverty in Ghettos and not any “white man”. If one good thing can come from obama being president it’s that these uneducated people will not longer be able to blame the white man for their problems. I just can’t wait to see how fast obama become an uncle tom to them when they are still on welfare, out of work and addicted to crack while robbing other hard working Americans.I am very scared to be an American today when an un-holy hate monger (as obama and his church absolutely are) can pull the wool over enough peoples eyes to be elected president. Obama is the Anti-Christ and will bring the end of days for this great country. For those who don’t believe it all I can say is that in the bible it says that the devils greatest work will be to convince the world that he doesn’t exist. Well I can say now that in barak obama the devil now walks among us.
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The definition of irony: the party of Abe Lincoln is now strongest in the Confederate states.
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Perhaps you should build a bunker or maybe just shove your head in the sand.
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No wonder they're so angry. Shit!
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Yes, what a disaster his presidency was. How did we make it through?
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I made sure people kicked John McCain's senile ass in Philly yesterday, and although it was one of the most exhausting days of my life I will never ever forget the smiles shared amongst those of us who realized we could make the american dream an actual possibility.
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Yup. Half Irish, Half Polish.
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The Fox News forums this morning show me how tolerant conservatives really are. Why have I been so hard on Republicans all these years?
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suck it and tickle it are about as harsh as I get...
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Now there's some rhetoric I can relate to, my wingnut brothers and sisters!
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...special case. He was a raging asshole who bought into every single McCain smear while loudly trumpeting how stupid, weak, and cowardly liberals were. He's an awful tribal Republican and deserves every shitty comment thrown his way.
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... complaining about "all the stories on the internet" not covered by the MSM. Yeah! What's wrong with all those internet stories? I'm sure they are rock solid!
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that shit offends me. Unless I feel wholly celtic. Then I'm monoraced. But not Welsh. Never Welsh. They're the worst on the planet.
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PA delivered in a big way man!
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Good to know this talkback is still raging. 'Cause, after an overdose of cable news and their sanitized talk, I always come to AICN for a heapin' dose of good old-fashioned INVECTIVE and CALUMNY.
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Was when Palin was quoting Lincoln's speech about saving the Union.......when she herself is a supporter of Alaskan Independent Party, which wishes to secede from the Union, the very thing that Lincoln was speaking against.
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"in the bible it says that the devils greatest work will be to convince the world that he doesn’t exist. "Oh really - in the Bible, eh?
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Lump the sensible conservatives in with the nutbags. That's just gold, and really helpful. Call out the idiots if you want, but know that there are just as many nut jobs on the left as there are on the right. As I said before, FUCK the militants on both sides.
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Nov 05, 2008 10:28:40 AM CST
THE MSM NEVER COVERED PALIN'S SECESSIONIST MILITIA TIES
by bringingsexyback
in a meaningful way. Which is fine, because now they can run with it and bury her future political aspirations. Just for fun.
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. . . THE END OF DAYS IS COMING!
WHAT TOTAL BULLSHIT!
What's awesome about this election is that it shows the next generation is smart and won't be hung up on BULLSHIT. So now we just wait for 'some' of the older generations to die off.
Don't get me wrong, racism will always be around, but less and less parents in this country realize it's about RIGHT AND WRONG and not BLACK AND WHITE.
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is most likely 2 separate crane or motion control cameras with identical arcing paths set and focused on the separate anchor on a blue/green screen. (computer controlled camera motion and they move at the same time) Notice there is no reflection on the floor from the holographic anchor, so Wolf is just talking to 5 feet above the red spot on the floor, and she is superimposed on the video feed.
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Where is he? Surely he hasn't run away like a little cowardly bitch after throwing stupid (even by his standards) accusations around earlier? He can't have a yellow streak a mile wide. Not a big brave bastard like him. He can't be a cowardly little piece of post termination placenta. Surely not?
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Nov 05, 2008 10:29:50 AM CST
This is classic. And by classic I mean pure redneck
by hawaiian organ donor
Not sure how this guy even found a computer that far out in the woods."As i have said before, Linin the father of socialism said, “Give me A liberal news, and we will take the United States with out fireing A shot” I wonder now that the hammer and sickle man is in. The same media that bashed Bush, will now say how wonderful the shadow of Stalin is.I love this country too much to see it go Coummist. I will be praying that the good lord intervines, before its to late."
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Were the people in studio actually seeing it or was it just an effect for viewers. I assumed the latter, but now I'm wondering. If it's the former, it is pretty cool, if still useless.
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Yes, but what of a 'true' conservative who pops into this thread and sees all the vile comments against the right?
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There are principled Republicans out there. I feel bad because their party has been hijacked by the fundies and the bigots. I myself respect Ron Paul...not because of his personal stuff, but because he's so principled when it comes to the Constitution of this great country. However, I got to go against you on one thing...there aren't as many nutjobs on the left as the right. At least not now. The right has literally become the party of the crazies: the ultra-fundementalist theocrats, the white-power movement, the neo-con imperialist. You gotta jettison those crazies if you ever want to be taken seriously by the rest of us.
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I am not a Democrat, but I am an independent and firmly believe in George Washington’s opinion of political parties, “They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force, the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community…” Having said that, I will say I could never vote for the Republican party in its current form, and therefore have to be a Democrat by default. Yes, there are Left-wing nuts over there with the Dems, but they are nothing compared to the Right-wing lunatics who currently dominate the GOP. For a big tent party, it is amazing to see the sentinels of the party checking people’s political purity and labeling them traitors or RHINOS – not very inclusive. While I hate to bring up any sort of Nazi comparison because I hardly think the GOP (despite what some people here might think) is anything compared to them, I will say I am waiting for them to start blaming their defeat on a “stab in the back” instead of their own incompetence. Oh, damn you Colin Powell.
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in that picture harry looks like arnold's disguise in total recall...
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I'm definitely buying it - insider accounts of the campaigns ... here's a preview, with salacious stuff on Palin:
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Nov 05, 2008 10:32:52 AM CST
I found Coughlins!!! He's over on the Fox Forum!!!
by hawaiian organ donor
"This is a very sad day for me. I spoke to my CPA before the election to see which plan helped or hurt me. I have been self employed for 13 years and worked very hard to get here, now it is all for nothing. I have 253 people working for me today, unfortunately that will all change. I just pulled all of my money out of the stock market this morning and will begin laying off employees today. I will be forced to sell my business before the end of the year. I do not want you to feel sorry for me, but this is a real story. Feel sorry for all my employees and their families. Because of Obama’s tax plan and capital gain tax, I have no other option. I pray this does not happen to anyone else."
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First, leave poor Bruce Banner alone, you complete and total bastard.
Second, I was addressing a presumed Repubican or Conservative suggesting that Barack Obama spells doom for America because of his social policies. That this was the end. Yet I'm pretty sure even Obama isn't going to force farmers to burn their crops and slaughter livestock to micromanage market prices--and all the while, leave people starving--like FDR did. If the country got through FDR's well-intentioned deepening and lengthening of the Great Depression, we're gonna get through an Obama presidency all right, even if you didn't vote for the guy.And stop harassing Bruce Banner. He's not a weapon! He's a human being! -
Good one. I'm gonna have to check out those forums. I'm gorging on right wing insanity. It's great.Though on this radio show, a left wing nut called up. He sounded normal at first, until he told Sliwa that he could show him in the Bible where Obama's appearance was predicted.
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You don't think, perhaps, that they were voting for the candidate that best represented THEM rather than some old fuck with cancer, millions in the bank and 8 houses? Are you Coughin's in disguise? because you're obviously about as smart.
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Stan, does it anger you then, that the younger white generation (18-29) voted 54% for Obama vs. 44% for McCain?
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I am going to remind you not to gloat to much and instead use this occassion to win gracefully and try to extend an olive branch to your opponents. As Abe Lincoln once said "Don't we destroy an enemy when we make them a friend?"
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...into my neocon sadness milkshake, and drink it up.
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-- McCain himself rarely spoke to Palin during the campaign and aides kept him in the dark about the details of her spending on clothes because they were sure he would be offended. Palin asked to speak along with McCain at his Arizona concession speech but campaign strategist Steve Schmidt vetoed the request.
-- The Obama campaign was provided with reports from the Secret Service showing a sharp and very disturbing increase in threats to Obama in September and early October, at the same time that the crowds at Palin rallies became more frenzied. Michelle Obama was shaken by the vituperative crowds and the hot rhetoric from the GOP candidates. "Why would they try to make people hate us?" Michelle Obama said to a top campaign aide.
-- On the Sunday night before the last debate, McCain's core group of advisers--Steve Schmidt, Rick Davis, adman Fred Davis, strategist Greg Strimple, pollster Bill McInturff and strategy director Sarah Simmons -- met to decide whether or not to tell McCain that the race was effectively over, that he no longer had a chance to win. The consensus in the room was no, not yet, not while he still had "a pulse."
-- The Obama campaign's "New Media" experts created a computer program that would allow a "flusher"--the term for a volunteer who rounds up nonvoters on Election Day--to know exactly who had, and had not, voted in real time. They dubbed it Project Houdini, because of the way names disappear off the list instantly once people are identified as they wait in line at their local polling station.
-- Palin launched her attack on Obama's association with William Ayers, the former Weather Underground bomber, before the campaign had finalized a plan to raise the issue. McCain's advisers were working on a strategy that they hoped to unveil the following week, but McCain had not signed off on it, and top adviser Mark Salter was resisting.
-- McCain also was reluctant to use Obama's incendiary pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright as a campaign issue. He had set firm boundaries: no Jeremiah Wright; no attacking Michelle Obama; no attacking Obama for not serving in the military. McCain balked at an ad using images of children that suggested that Obama might not protect them from terrorism; Schmidt vetoed ads suggesting that Obama was soft on crime (no Willie Hortons); and before word even got to McCain, Schmidt and Salter scuttled a "celebrity" ad of Obama dancing with talk-show host Ellen DeGeneres (the sight of a black man dancing with a lesbian was deemed too provocative).
-- Obama was never inclined to choose Sen. Hillary Clinton as his running mate, not so much because she had been his sometime bitter rival on the campaign trail, but because of her husband. Still, as Hillary's name came up in veep discussions, and Obama's advisers gave all the reasons why she should be kept off the ticket, Obama would stop and ask, "Are we sure?" He needed to be convinced one more time that the Clintons would do more harm than good. McCain, on the other hand, was relieved to face Biden as the veep choice, and not Hillary Clinton, whom the McCain camp had truly feared.
-- McCain was dumbfounded when Congressman John Lewis, a civil-rights hero, issued a press release comparing McCain with former Alabama Gov. George Wallace, a segregationist infamous for stirring racial fears. McCain had devoted a chapter to Lewis in one of his books, "Why Courage Matters" and had so admired Lewis that he had once taken his children to meet him.
-- The debates unnerved both candidates. When he was preparing for the Democratic primary debates, Obama was recorded saying, "I don't consider this to be a good format for me, which makes me more cautious. I often find myself trapped by the questions and thinking to myself, 'You know, this is a stupid question, but let me ... answer it.' So when Brian Williams is asking me about what's a personal thing that you've done [that's green], and I say, you know, 'Well, I planted a bunch of trees.' And he says, 'I'm talking about personal.' What I'm thinking in my head is, 'Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I f---ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective'."
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But they aren't ignorant. When Danny calls McCain a bitter racist who engineered a campaign of hate mongering and fear, he can back it up with facts.But folks on the right calling Obama the anti-Christ and a commie?
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Is that the two parties, the two parts of America if you will, value completely different things. No one unified behind the last two Presidents, even when they did things right (and they both did things right and things wrong.) So when I here Dems say "we hope everyone can now unify", what I hear is "we hope everyone can now unify behind the things we want, even though we were never willing to get behind anything you wanted" It doesn't sit right.
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hilarious to see how many people accuse Obama of being a hatemonger and a fearmonger. Yet the only "evidence" they can come up with is the 30 second YouTube clip that was completely taken out of context (Wright was quoting someone else for Chrissakes!), and shows a complete lack of understanding of black Church rhetorical practices. And this after 2 years of racist emails, shouts of "terrorist" and "kill him" at rallies, proclamations of apocalyptic portents with an Obama presidency, etc. Yeah, Obama's the hate/fearmonger.
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There aren't any true conservatives. Ronald Reagan ran up a huge deficit with his tax-and-spend ways. Bush is a bad president and we'll leave it at that. Both of these guys were embraced by the right. Clinton pulled out a surplus and had a huge economic boom and he's hated and despised by the right. The reality is "real" conservative principles don't exist politically. It's just a framework for deference to an authoritarian with a republican label. Maybe if you'd elected Barry Goldwater you would have a leg to stand on...but you don't.
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"Yes, but what of a 'true' conservative who pops into this thread and sees all the vile comments against the right?"His opinions of liberals are confirmed. Hopefully, he will be reasonable enough to understand that AICN is not really the place to get informed liberal opinion, or a representative sampling of liberal thought. I am sometimes a little dismayed at what I see on more mainstream forums, but, you know . . . we all have our black sheep. We all have douchebags who are ostensibly on our side who make us cringe when they start talking about hating people and killing people and so on. Because we think we're right, ideologically, we would prefer the other people in our camp to be "the better people". I've seen dozens of posts from conservatives about how they will show Obama the respect they feel liberals denied Bush, and they will not participate in the sort of vile hatred against Obama that they feel liberals, generally, exhibited against Bush.
Then, there are the folks who say back: "I'm going to show them exactly as much respect as they showed Bush. Fuck 'em."
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"Obama is the Anti-Christ" . . . Yes, I have heard this. From serious people. It depressess me.
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but rather wishing other posters to die, etc. You know I didn't condone how McCain ran his campaign, and I did mention above that I was happy to see what appeared to be the "real" McCain last night in his concession speech.
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Couldn't agree more.
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That's great advice for the real world, but in talkbacks ... it's just a lot of good-natured bloodletting and assraping. All in good fun.
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FDR is widely considered one of our better presidents. I guess some people disagree, but using him as an example as something that was survived will put your opinions in a very particular light for all those people where the consensus is FDR did a good job.
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I just found out my Mom is half Welsh!! I never knew...
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Me thinks it's not always in "good fun".
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Jesus do I need to remind you people that at one point he had an 89% approval rating and the entire world loved us? It's not like we started hating him for no reason! Christ you people have short memories.
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is cholesterol levels...
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We already covered this last night, but here's a recap for you all... The "hologram" is computer-generated and interpolated into the final video feed. It is NOT a real hologram visible in the studio. They just have a cue to show Wolf Blitzer where to look and talk and act all impressed.
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Nov 05, 2008 10:46:12 AM CST
SO WE NOW KNOW THAT HAD MCCAIN'S ADVISORS INFORMED HIM
by bringingsexyback
on Sunday that he had NO CHANCE to win the election, he may have vetoed the mad rush of Reverend Wright ads that plagued America on Monday, thus salvaging what little dignity he had left? That campaign will be studied for many elections to come as a case study for how to fuck yourself hard.
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What a year 2009's gonna be...
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No doubt he's a complete fuckup, but it's time to move on. Some sort of middle ground must be broached on the economy, the wars, medicare..godric, I think that's true for something like abortion, but I think both sides are capable of working together if Obama pushes for something more in the middle as the country's agenda.
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I'm doing great guys! I was in this thread last night :) Hope you are all well! Miss ya guys
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"I am going to remind you not to gloat to much and instead use this occassion to win gracefully and try to extend an olive branch to your opponents."
Well, people are going to disagree. A lot of folks on both sides are, reasonably, not going to want to compromise on what they consider important issues. But there is something to be said--on both sides--of not dancing in the end zone after the touch down, then flipping the losers the bird, then mooning them, and then taking a shit on their grandmother's grave.
Gloating, and pissing on the losers, rarely serves the long-term interests of the winners. Losers are just tomorrows winners. It may seem impossible now, but it's true. The Democrats will lose the Whitehouse again. Probably in eight years. To a Republican. Republicans will make significant gains in the house and senate over those eight years--almost certainly. Winning with an utter lack of grace and a heaping helping of obnoxious hubris will only help to make that happen.
Have Republicans and conservatives ever been graceless and hubristic in their victories? Um. Yeah. They have. And where is that permanent Republican majority now? What happened to the Republicans running the house and senate?They're gone. As a wise man once said, after a young moisture farmer had just destroyed a single Imperial TIE Fighter: "Don't get cocky, kid." -
Hideous and also pointless.
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We don't have to reach across the aisle here on the TB's. Obama will do it for us. I'm reading his book right now, and he has been a uniter his entire life. He really doesn't see the country in a partisan way....that is no bullshit. Unfortunately I do-- and what I say here doesn't t really matter....so I will continue flinging large handfuls of shit into the unsuspecting faces of Republican douche bags. Thanks!
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Where's you get that info on McCain's advisors telling him it was over on the weekend?
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woo hoo!
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Yeah, Clinton did it all by himself alright, what bullshit.
Can't wait for the huge tax increase with a lot of it going to lazy fucks that don't contribute one dollar to society or the economy. Yippee. -
2for2true does indeed smile upon us today!
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but to answer your very civil question: It depends, the upper rate of tax, which kicks in very low (roughly £40K) is about 40%. However, we've got lots of other evil taxes that kick in regardless of salary (National Insurance- which is basically an income tax, Council Tax- which is a fucking outrage, and untold stealth taxes). On a salary of £24,000 per year (which should be more than enough to live on), your take home works out at about £1500 per month. It's a bastard, and we are the most taxed generation in History. Bizarrely, although ostensibly we have a socialist government they are actually further to the right than the last conservative lot. Most of us are Socially liberal but fiscally conservative, and we are wallowing in a desperate state of apathy due to the grotesque disenfranchisement that has taken place. Fucked off does not begin to cover it, and this is partially why we had such hope that you lot would boot the Republicans from power. It gives us great cheer.
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A high approval rating and love from the world after an attack on your soil doesn't count. Bugs fucking Bunny could have been President and he would have gotten the support too.
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I agree with your "greeting" for the new president.
Pillow, BSB, Jarv and fellow warciples...I've been busy with work, having taking on a second job at night back in the summer (great economy!) So I've been spending less time here. Plus, all the big summer movies came and went. Looking forward to Bond next week, though. To see if Craig will establish new levels of manhood, machismo, and ass-kickery -
I wish him success in helping the country. I was against his election, and I voted against him- but he was elected. Now he is going to be our president and it will be his job to help improve the economy and lead our country into good places. As a conservative, I truly hope he succeeds. I did not trust that he was the person he claimed to be, and I didn't trust that he would accomplish what he said he would, but now I am going to stand behind him until it may become evident that he does not share my same goals for the country. I really hope that he intends to make the entire country better off. Barack has an opportunity here, which is ussually very rare- and as a black man he has another very precious oportunity to show how bright he can shine. I want to see him shine now. I figure that he takes this oportunity very seriously. In the back of my mind however, I worry that he may be more interested in changing the entire political system under which we operate, and he might squander this oportunity. For now I am hopeful that something terrific might happen in the next four years instead. I am now done complaining about Barack Obama, and I won't again until the day which may or may not come when my life becomes harder because of his policies- I hope that day never comes. For black people all around the country, I am truly happy for them, because they have witnessed the death of a horrible myth- that a black man would not be elected president. The myth was based on the belief that racism was too widespread in this country and always would be. I think that is clearly not true- I hope that this result will help to show black people how much we have improved as people in this country, and that the sky truly can be the limit for anyone here in America. I may not believe in Barack Obama's policies, but I am very glad to see that his race did not stop him from achieving one of the greatest accomplishments possible. He is indeed a powerful symbol, and I admire that symbol- even if I haven't been admiring the man. I think we will see more, and that is a very great thing.
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He was absolutely beloved. He was a very powerful president. But not everybody is enamored of the New Deal, or the legacy. There were also a lot of policies in the New Deal that were eventually abandoned, some of which were actively destructive to the economy, deepening and worsening the recession.
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but just wanted to say Hi since I never get to get on here anymore which sucks. The baby isn't here yet, next month though. It was my bday yesterday, and I got to see Obama elected on it, which was great. Hope you guys are all well and having lots of fun with the new CoC crew. Wish I could be here more often
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obama has done nothing but preach self reliance. obama is a product of it and deeply believes in it.
bush had no problem putting the usa billion dollars in debt to a communist country with a crazy leader. spending trillions on a war to avenge his dad and to make sure his vice president's company controlled oil. bush controlled the media and didn't lose control of it until republicans were fearing for their elected positions and turned on him. the bush administration have wall street no rules and then wanted to give them a 700 billion dollar blank check to cover their mistakes without making them give up stake to the government. that is socialism. conservatives constantly talk about curving spending and cutting taxes, yet the only people to recieve big tax breaks were big business. yet they they cut education funding...EDUCATION!!!! then spend money over in the middle east like the usa was scrooge mcduck swimming in gold. we are trillions of dollars in debt and iraq has a 79 billion dollar surplus, because our trigger happy president and bad intel...comparing obama to socialism or communism is nuts...he is more moderate and conservative than any demo president we've had. he isn't in the pocket to any of the spineless democrats in congress...they are scared to death of him, because of that fact. -
You mean lazy fucks that don't pay their taxes like Joe The Plumber? Yeah I hate that fucker too.
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it was totally uncalled for. Dealing with that torrent of unmitigated stupidity Coughlins has put me in a right funk.
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Liberalism versus Conservatism is a pointless argument for the majority of Americans in this country. We actually subscribe to both viewpoints regarding different aspects of our lives. I don't care if some program or viewpoint passes a political litmus test, but instead care if it works or not.
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Nov 05, 2008 10:54:47 AM CST
MCCAIN AIDE: "WASILLA HILLBILLIES LOOTING NEIMAN MARCUS COAST TO
by bringingsexyback
Civil War, my friends, has come early ...
NEWSWEEK has also learned that Palin's shopping spree at high-end department stores was more extensive than previously reported. While publicly supporting Palin, McCain's top advisers privately fumed at what they regarded as her outrageous profligacy. One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family—clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus. According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent "tens of thousands" more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Some articles of clothing have apparently been lost. An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast," and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books. -
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We Did it!!!
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A wise man once wrote "Be nice to other people. You're outnumbered 6 Billion to one." The reason we should "give a shit" what other countries think is because the US is not always going to be top dog. China pretty much owns us, and India is close behind in the global economy. And they both have nukes. So we need to learn to play nice with other countries, whether "American exceptionalists" like it or not.
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Yeah, I'm looking forward to the Bond flick as well. Damn, I thought you had the little Kloipy already. Little pillow number two is on the way.Peace my fellow warciples.
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Not possible. You only get £40 per week- ish. A pint of Guinness costs about £3.30. If you drink then you will starve. This is one of the great fallacies spread around by The Mail and the other right wing press- benefits are not a lot of money. I drink far too much, but I can afford it because I work fucking hard and am well paid. If I was government supported then I couldn't do it.
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Yet another in-depth analysis. Thanks.
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I WAS THERE-- I was there. I stood in the immense line. I picked up quite a bit of Obama swag. (I didn't have any t-shirts yet, and just had to get one. Okay... two... Fine... Three. But I lost one while fumbling for my driver's license during the security check.) I held my wife while she cried. I took photos. I hung out with the most polite and loving human beings on the face of God's green earth--which, honestly, was the most amazing part. I grew up here. I'm a Southsider by birth. I have never seen this city (a city with more than a tiny history of racial divide) so unified. The battle lines are gone. The things we thought we believed about each other, but hoped weren't true, were killed by just that: HOPE. As of last night, no matter how brief, Nov 4th 2008, let it be known that the city of Chicago with the help of the rest of the country, literally hoped away its racial divide. Last night, everyone in America was a Southsider. God Bless You All. You've reminded this man what hope could really be.
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The most amazing night of my life. DC turned into a spontaneous party on news Obama was elected. The U St. Corridor was SHUT DOWN. Dancing in the streets. Chants of Yes we can and Yes we did. Tears of joy and relief. Storming the White House gates to give Bush his eviction notice. Mutual resepct and love from complete strangers of all races, creeds, orientations, sexes. Simply stunning.
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Thanks for giving him a chance.
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Did you get out there in the mayhem?
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I laughed so much when I read your post because I knew you HAD to be joking; to create so much mirth for others to enjoy was a sign of your goodly altruistic heart. I also laughed and laughed and laughed because if I stopped to actually consider that what you wrote might have been your honest opinion then I would have wept because no person, male or female, should have to live with a mind and soul that nurtures so much hate and disillusionment.You must have been joking otherwise how do you face the morning? How do you deal with the harsh reality of another day living?The light at the end of your tunnel is an on-coming train, sir/madam, and let it roll over you...surely whatever comes next must be better than the nightmare you have created for yourself in this world, you poor, poor bitch.
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I agree with all that...I hope Obama is an inspirational leader, particularly for black youth. I'd like to think that he will raise the bar, lift expectations, and that his success can motivate young people to stay in school, swear off drug-dealing, be more responsible, etc. Unfortunately, so far today the impression I'm getting (at work) is that a lot of africanamerican young people think they're simply going to "get" something now that Obama is in. In one way, they may be right (his social programs). But I hope otherwise, and that he will be a catalyst for change and that his administration will help set a tone of stability and calmness, if not renewed confidence, in what America can be.
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Nov 05, 2008 10:58:53 AM CST
whats with americans and their hero worship of politicians?
by fleshmachine
friggin creepy. stop treating them like celebrity gods...they're public servants guys. chill out.
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So does McCain's campaign, a nominee for worst organization in the history of politics. Amazing how such a "maverick" would abandon all of his previously attractive principles for political expediency. That worked!
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Samus, that was a nice thought-out post. That's pretty much all that we (those who voted for Obama) would ask of those who did not.
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..if I would have had to hear McCain say "Warshington" for the next 4 years, I would have moved to Europe. I think it's good to have a healthy amount of skepticism going into this, but I can truly say that today is a good day, and the future looks a little better.
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Kloips - good to know you are well! Best to your wifey too!
Ross ... here's the insider info link, and click on the Newsweek link for more ...
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I was out there with the people celebrating history. Bring on the inaugeration!
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ooooo! a black man (forget he is half white) is the President Elect! Big effing deal! The race brigade and white mans guilt is on in full force this time around. And you libs are right- George bush screwed it up good enough for a Dem backlash. But get prepared when Obama doesn't live up to all of his promises - because it's not about that anymore - it was alaways about race and getting a "black man" into office. Bush was going to leave anyways. There are some positives now. Black people can never say that the country as a whole is racsist and run by "the white man" keeping the black man down. (But who knows- if Obama screws up royally will they highlight his white genes and say he was white all along? How convienient!
Another thing is that with all the power they now have the democrats have NO EXCUSE ot whine bitch moan or otherwise complain about not getting thier way. The squeeky wheel got the grease this time- lets just hope it rolls in the right direction.
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Yeah, if I wished death on anyone last night it's because I was drunk on joy and booze. It's not something I normally do around here. I'm a "go eat a bag of dicks" kinda guy.And after reading the hatred and ignorance on the Fox Forum, I can see I'm justified. You have people calling for his assassination. I have no tolerance for that.We've got some grade-A hatred around here but it's usually reserved for people who are racists and hate mongers. Those Fox News nuts are wishing death on Obama before he even has a chance to prove himself.
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He is NOT what this country needs. Recount better pan out the same.
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How goes it? Smitten any shitheels lately?
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The no-beard looks better than the DR Zaius face you were sporting before.
Some good color in your cheeks, too.
The roundeye glasses are a cool look, but you gotta ditch the 'tiny glasses on my big head' look and go with more of a Dominic Dunn look - just a big larger so they dont make your face look like a balloon.
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Do you seriously not know this? We are a superpower. Our economy affects the world's economy. Our wars affect the world. Who wins the election has a direct effect on how international relations will go on for the next four years.
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You are a misguided fool.Yeah, all those crazy white voters voted for Obama because he was black.
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Than I don't care! As long as it works. Of course, if Obama's economic and tax proposals seem socialist, than I guess you have to say Adam Smith, father of market captitalism and author of Wealth of a Nation is a socialist as well. I quoted this before, but I will do so again: "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. . . . The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. . . . It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion. "
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the palin VP pick was stupid, because 1) it wasn't the primary anymore...mccain didn't have to worry about the "base" they wouldn't have voted for obama anyway 2) palin will always be seen as a baffoon even though she isn't...they ruined her...it would have made more sense for them to run a mccain/leiberman or romney...then run a romney/jindal in 2012...then a jindal/palin 2016. a slow steady move to the right.
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When I saw Obama give his speach yesterday, I saw my president. And for that moment, all that I could imagine was that he might actually make something great happen. I decided to put aside my skepticism. I won't be blind to what he does from here, but from this point on, for me Barack Obama has a blank slate. It is his to do with what he will.
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There is some shit that comes out of the far right that is downright scary and absurd. Listening to phone calls into rightwing radio stations is some worrisome stuff. And I have no problem with attacking any of the ignorant racists on these boards who promote hate and fear. Those extremist views need to be squashed.
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Nov 05, 2008 11:07:56 AM CST
last night felt like popping in a female's mouth....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
God Damn. I was sitting there looking at the map on CNN....not even realizing he had already won. It was at like 220 delegates or something like that. I didn't even go through my mind to factor in California would take him over 270. I said "Fuck....they just need to add California on the map right now!" And a second later-- BAM -- BARACK OBAMA -- PRESIDENT ELECT. My whole family wasn't really paying attention at that moment....but we all just hopped up off the couch screaming HOLY FUCKING SHIT!! THAT'S IT?!! THATS IT?!! WHAT ABOUT FLORIDA?!! FUCK FLORIDA!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
Its crazy...because I was very close with the timing. Yesterday before I left for the day I said we would know by 11:28 Eastern Time. Anyone know the exact time it was called? -
You're wrong. Bush got an 89 percent approval rating due to the attack and the makeup of Congress. I'm convinced Gore would have gotten a 20 percent approval rating and impeached. Think about it. We were still coming off the "Contract with America" bullshit.
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Novaman5000, just remind him how our little sub-prime mortage problem and banking collapse seems to have thrown the globe's economy into a tailspin. Hmmm, I wonder why the rest of the world seems to care so much about our elections...
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For all our sakes Samus, we can only hope that Obama is able to lead the country to a path that will improve it. I certainly think he's capable which is why he got my vote.
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Yup, you are right.
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Al Gore might have had a lower approval rating than Bush after 9-11, but it would have been like 70-79 at worst. And he never would have fucked things up so bad as to have as bad of approval rating as W has now.
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Nov 05, 2008 11:11:08 AM CST
Left wing extremists climb in trees and hug them...
by irrelevntelefant
right wing extremists climb into trees to get a better shot..... That Fox Forum rhetoric is frightning...
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Congrats, Warciple!
Yeah, I'm in the mood for another Bond. I need to be reminded how to deal with people in a manly fashion. Then again, I could always throw on a DVD with Clint or Bruce Campbell or Tony Jaa. Heck, I'm even looking forward to Transporter 3 for a good chuckle over the ass-kickings. -
When blair came to power in the UK. he came in on the back of carefully stage managed wave of euphoria. and the people in the Uk wanted so baldly to get rid of the sleaze ridden tories. Blair had a two and half year honey moon. For a while the brits loved him. People looked the other way when blair got caught trying to not to ban tobacco advertisements when he met with bernie ecceleston head of Formula one. When asked blair smiled that fake smile and said people think Im pretty straight kind of guy. This is the same man who broke the labour party by losing 15 million over three election campaigns. WHo took britian to war on a faulty premise. Destroyed cabinet govt in the UK. Much was made of Rock and Roll blair was. just like obama. His conference speechs were like theatrical preformances. and there is one other connection. They are both lawyers. Married to much smarter people. Though Cherie is bats she is not stupid. When Cherie and tony graduated from university. Cherie got the second highest result in the country. things did fall apart for blair near the end. And he was replaced by Gordon Brown. What brought blair down...SLEASE. IF your wealthy, give us a million and youll become a life peer. Whatever milage Labour thought they would get out of seeing Osbourne. was short. The return of Mandeleson. which appeared risk free was not. Mandy has more questions to answer regardng his time EU commissioner and what deals he did with Oleg deripaska.
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Why is he not what this country needs? He is a very smart guy. Nothing more. You're saying you're pulling for the guy that takes 100 grand in handouts and trips to Europe from a right wing scumbag Sugar Daddy Kazeminy. Thats disappointing. Norm Coleman is a scumbag with scandals up the ass.
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The Republican party needs an enema. I am now very reticent to identify myself as a Republican, as I feel it no longer represents my ideals for the most part. It has been taken over by tools that offer shit for solutions. The party is no longer about fiscal responsibility, nor will the social platforms represent a majority of America. Time to clean house. Fuck the Bushes, Rove, the House and Senate Repulican leadership, the RNC leadership, and the nut jobs out there. Too bad there is not a viable fiscally conservative, socially moderate third party. As Jack Bauer would say, DAMMIT!!!
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Keep up the good work. It's hard -- I just lost a lot myself -- and I feel great!And, by the way, I voted for Obama. :)Now get a haircut, ya' hippie.
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Fear not, my fearful friends: that's what your guns and Bibles are for. Start clingin'. And dearest rednecks, hide your accent and take comfort in the fact that the rest of the world think quite a bit less of you. OBAMA!
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Congress would have impeached him, and then we would have had Lieberman for president (remember? He was Al Gore's vice). Are you forgetting the insanity of Bill Clinton's impeachment? How fucking crazy and out of control they were in 2002 (liberals hate America, you're a traitor if you don't want to invade Iraq, etc). Seriously Gore would have been impeached.
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And he offered the tax rebate, I went right out and spent it, and a little more I couldn't afford, to "stimulate the economy." I said, whynot? I'll give it a try. Then 9/11 happened, and he stood tall and said they'd rebuild. I said, whynot? I'll support coalition forces in Afganistan, to bring those specific perpetrators to justice. Back in those days, very few people I knew wrote off Bush the day after the election in 2000 (or whatever day the Supreme Court ended the recounts), or even a year after the election. Between then and know, he had to work PRETTY DAMN HARD to win my absolute scorn and ridicule. . . he will be remembered as one of the worst presidents in US history, and I can't wait until he's back to BBQs in Texas, snickering and fumbling like a sad, little fool. . . .
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I have no doubt that White Man's guilt was part of it –look it up. Hell a majority of black people think they should get reparations for their ancestors being slaves-- it just might happen now with the redistribution of wealth and a greater emphasis on affirmative action (only for colored people by the way- kind of racist isn't it?).
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Rednecks Begin Re-Enacting Third Act Of "The Mist," Complete With Human Sacrifice. Film At 11.
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That is bollocks. And don't get me started on that corrupt fuck Mandelson (who should actually be in Gao for fraud).
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Sure - not everyone agrees with the New Deal. I guess you were being hyperbolic when you used the word "survived" regarding FDR's presidency. How to go ABOUT surviving his certainly a very American argument, though. The New Deal was either something that betrayed some of the core principles of the country, or something necessary to get through a rough time. I think it probably was both, but in which direction you shade it lies all the difference. Same with the Patriot Act and this bank bailout.
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Obama is cut from a different cloth.
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Paranoid mince of the highest order.
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Great post.
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I'm just happy Obama is a smart, accomplished man who delivers stirring speeches, and who doesn't make me cringe like W did whenever I saw him on CNN.
He's someone I can finally feel proud of as a leader. You can say he's slick, he's too smooth, whatever. But I've been waiting a long time for someone to act the part of President, as opposed to the corprate, warmongering weasel posing as such.
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That corrupt fuck doesn't get to go to goa. I mean GAOL. Deary me.
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I voted McCain because I've always been wary of any President with designs on scaling back our military forces. And I felt that Obama's naivete would be perceived as a weakness in the eyes of those who wish to do Americans as much grievous harm as possible.
My choice for President was in the minority of voters, which is supposed to be the point in which I post here about how taxes will go up, 1st amendment will be trashed, and abortion gun rights William Ayers *DEEEEEEP BREATH*
I guess I never saw it that way. To me, its just like saying "I prefer chocolate ice cream" and someone else preferring strawberry ice cream. Its really not something worth all this drama and hate (and retaliatory gloating). As of this morning, Obama is MY next President. Of MY country. As of right now, the slate is wiped clean and my assessment of him begins anew from this point forward. I do not share the optimism and hope that his supporters have, and I envy that - I want some of it.
I wonder if they're still handing it out.
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Harry, I'm so happy for you, I'm thrilled for the United States of America that this moment has happened! YES WE DID!!
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on this TB. Missed your wily urgency and fine fury last night on this page. Onward and upward!
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I have to disagree with you. I don't thin even the Republicans would try to impeach a president after 9-11 and the than a war in Afghanistan. Remember, if Gore won Karl Rove would not have become the national player he did. Before him, the Republicans under Delay were very viscious but not nearly effective. And the only reason they were able to impeach Clinton was do to the peace and prosperity in the country which allowed Americans the luxory to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
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Now get some fucking change the rest of the world can believe in. It is about time for a change, not only in the US, but world wide and since the US sets the trend most of the time in these matters it is up to Mr Obama to set a new standard.
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Great to see the mature posters regardless of their political orientation, make a come back in this thread.
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The Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the VP-elect has told us that there would be an international incident within six months of Obama winning the presidency.
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That's voting for the candidate that best represented them (Not that he greatly represents them, he's just better than McCain).
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You can borrow some of my optimism, hope, pride, joy, and confidence. I feel good. You should too. This country is about to become a much better place for all of us.
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Don't be silly, THIS IS TALKBAAAAAAACK
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I am always curious when people bring up the New Deal as a bad thing or as if it undermined the core values of America. The New Deal created work for American and provided relief to millions, including millions of black Americans who at that time were excluded from many Government programs. It also changed the very nature of the Democratic Party, which was still the party of Southern Racist (and still would be until the Republicans happily invited them over with open arms). Also, maybe I am being ignorant, but I don't remember ever reading anything in the Constitution that says we have to be Lassaiz-fair or not provide assistance to our citizens.
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Nov 05, 2008 11:41:31 AM CST
Whats the over/under on when Coughlin will show up?
by irrelevntelefant
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Nov 05, 2008 11:42:11 AM CST
LISTENING TO RUSH RIGHT NOW ... HE'S AGAINST GRACIOUSNESS
by bringingsexyback
Well, I for one welcome Samus and Arcadian as sensible Conservatives to meet in the middle. We won't agree on everything, but graciousness counts for a lot. Just following the Messiah's example ...
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You are a horrible person and the world would benefit greatly if you were put to sleep.
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Nov 05, 2008 11:45:15 AM CST
When McCain talked about the "mistakes" his campaign
by irrelevntelefant
made, I wish he would have just given a nice lingering look at Palin..
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Nov 05, 2008 11:46:11 AM CST
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And I would not wish to deny Fred his opportunity to eat popcorn by turning this place civil. Still, occasionally it is nice to be able to agree or disgaree with someone who has the intellectual heft to support their positions, and not simply say, 'I hope you eat a bag of diseased goat dicks', or some other such thing.
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Something about Obama's aunt eating catfood ... how do people listen to this guy on a daily basis? This is poison for the soul.
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Nov 05, 2008 11:48:25 AM CST
did you see how fucking pissed Todd Palin was?
by dannyglovers_dickblood
I have never seen a candidate or spouse of candidate looking that angry after a loss. Seriously....usually they look disappointed and a little hurt, but never angry. Even when McCain hesitantly shook his hand-- you just looked furious. He was probably in the hotel room screaming at poor Sarah, "YOU FUCKED IT ALL UP YOU IGNORANT....FUCKING.....CUNNNNNNNNNT!!" I can totally see that guy getting fucking crazy. Lets start a campaign!! SAVE SARAH!!
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Nov 05, 2008 11:49:14 AM CST
BSB- can you hear him popping oxy over the shuffling papers?
by irrelevntelefant
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and accuse me of cowardice- while telling me that he is a much better person than me.
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International incidents happen every other month. Just because it's not on U.S. soil or given more news time than another Britney comeback doesn't mean people dying from bombs or bullets is less important.
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From the WSJ:
"Republicans can console themselves that soon Democrats won't have George W. Bush to kick around anymore. They'll now have to take responsibility if the economy stays in recession, or if Iraq turns chaotic again after an abrupt U.S. withdrawal. Americans have entrusted Democrats with what will essentially be unrestrained power, and we'll soon see if liberals have learned to govern."
While many are doing their happy dance at the promises of free money from the government, they're forgetting that Obama has still presented no valid solutions to the many problems our country faces. What a frightening time we live in.
By the way, many of you vile little libs need a reality check. This wasn't about personal vindication for you. Disgusting comments against Palin or McCain do little to better your cause. It's a loss for our country. -
People come down on me for my hateful attacks all the time. But if you actually read my past posts, you see-- the minute anyone wants to discuss something intelligently, I'm willing to listen and I put the CUNTS and GOAT DICK bombs away, and promptly holster my middle finger. Except with Coughlins.....fuck him. He lost all respect weeks ago. He deserves to consume dead rats for eternity, while laying on a pile of used hypodermic needles.
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THe reason he's pissed is because now the world knows that she fucked his business partner and he doesn't even get the consolation of being First lady.
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You're all idiots.
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You're just setting yourself up for dissapointment. If the country is a much more stable place in four years then I'll celebrate.
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Well, well, no more Bush to blame and no Republican majority to hide their greed, an inability to generate any ideas of that will actually help the nation..whatever will the Democrats do...film at 11.
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Rush isn't about political thought or believing a certain ideology is the best...he is a Party loyalist and only wants his Party to dominate. Notice how he only bitched about Bush’s economic plans and spending after his poll number went down and the economy turned south - and even than he blamed the Dems. Plus, his entire identity and shtick is that of the angry white guy rallying the Republicans under a banner of anger and bitterness. He has become a force in the GOP by holding sway over a sizeable chunk of the Republicans by blaming all the problems of the world on “the Other”. It is a double-edge sword: he only gets to lead the dittoheads for as long as he can blame someone else and act as a demagogue; and he can only stay influential in the GOP by still holding sway over a large number of listeners, which in turn kowtows to his vision of a belligerent party.
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Coughlins deserves to be on the receiving end of a reaming performed by an Ecstasy and Viagra fuelled posse of Barbary apes. (I used that line about something else yesterday, but I liked it so much I'm using it again). Or alternatively, he needs locking in a phone booth with a horny Alsation. Either will do.
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I still want an EATERS OF THE DEAD edition of the 13th Warrior!
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I won't even attempt to para-phrase it, look it up. Fucking golden!
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I gotta say that Democrats should refrain from acting classless with baseless personal attacks, "suck a dick", etc. Republicans can whip themselves up into a frenzy of fear and unwarranted criticism if they want or they can be cautiously optimistic. Bottom line, we have a number of battles to fight and we need to work together. We need to criticize Obama when he is doing something wrong but support him when he's doing something right. Last night was a catharsis. It wasn't about Dems or Republicans it was about our country.
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Damn it..there goes my great mood.
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He might be - during commercial breaks for Sleep Comfort and Lumber Liquidators (which I will be sure to boycott, I don't need no wingnut bed or flooring). Some woman just called and said Rush's show is where she is going to for comfort. Pitiful.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/06/barackobama-uselections2008?commentpage=8 They're no fun. All too earnest. Some of them want Bush hung for War Crimes.
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WHAT THE FUCK?!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. THIS MAN GAVE US JURASSIC FUCKING PARK!!
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Can anyone tell me why they voted for Sarah Palin? I mean, what are the odds that McCain, a 72 year old man with mixed helath issues, would live through 8 years of presidency? A job that has, at least, visibly aged every person whose entered the job. Therefore, can anyone tell me why they de facto voted for Sarah Palin? Ron Paul I get...
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I was speaking of the loons though, like coughlins, or taco or redshirt etc.
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You're making a big assumption that white voters knew the policies of McCain as well, and not just repeating verbatim the right wing talking points.
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Nov 05, 2008 11:59:49 AM CST
ONLY ON RUSH'S SHOW WOULD THEY PLAY THE MACARENA SONG
by bringingsexyback
Wingnuts need to update their music cues.
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..The first time I heard that, I almost lost my shit. I remember something about Barbra Bush "Pinching out a loaf". Golden indeed.
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Nov 05, 2008 12:01:04 PM CST
Terry- 8 years of Bush should warrant at least one day
by irrelevntelefant
of telling the extreme right wingers to eat dick...
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So many great people dying this year...I fear for Barrack
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Nov 05, 2008 12:01:34 PM CST
Wow... Obama has been president elect less than 24 hours...
by jimmy rabbitte
...and he's already killed Michael Crichton.
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Nov 05, 2008 12:01:44 PM CST
I can't fidn shit on Crichton......how did he die?
by dannyglovers_dickblood
This is indeed sad if true. Fuck, J.P., Congo, Eaters of the Dead, Sphere, Coma.....it goes on and on.
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"We knew this would happen as soon as McCain won the nomination."
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Someone wrote an article recently comparing current race to the Godfather. Going with that, methaphor, I will say that Obama is Micheal (even temperment, smart, never looses his cool), McCain is Sonny (hot headed, short tempered), Biden is Tom Hagen (knowledgible, good advisor) and Sarah Palin is Fredo (c'mon, do I have to explain why?) Who is the Vito? The American Presidency itselfs (once was respected, but has fallen and is sick).
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Is it suprising that Palin abused her budget to purchase clothing? Despite her "Fargo school librarian" appearance, I think she is a two-faced opprotunist, who would say or do anything to get what she wanted. Thank God her and her brood are nowhere near the White House.
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Nov 05, 2008 12:03:52 PM CST
this election was responsible for many deaths, sadly.....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Granny Toot, Terence Tolbert-- Obama's Nevada Campaign Director, Guy and Madonna's marriage, Kevin Smith's career, and now Michael fucking Crichton?!!
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I laughed so much at your vividly kaleidoscopic insult directed towards Mr Coughlin, that snot flew out my nose. Nasty, but amusing!
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Cracked me up!
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What the fuck is going on this year? The Andromeda Strain was one of the first serious novels I read as a youngster. The man couldn't have been that old. What the FUCK??!!
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...at the end of the day, the guys is just a politician. Enough with the hero/messiah worship. He's going to do what he's going to do and he'll screw up some of the time and he'll do great at other times. I hope he keeps the screw-ups to a minimum.
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Nov 05, 2008 12:06:04 PM CST
Crichton-- oh....we was fighting cancer quietly....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
He was 66. Fuck that. He was a GOD.
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Oh, what bum news...
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Nov 05, 2008 12:06:56 PM CST
So when will Obama's intern whores be arriving in Washington?
by jimmy rabbitte
The new scandal buzz phrase will be, "Obama Baby Mama."
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Sorry dude, but no one I know falls under your "white man's guilt" hypothesis. Try searching another reason for why Obama was elected like the current economic situation , the effect of Bush on voters, and that Obama, whether you agree with it or not, has gotten lots of people feeling like he could unite the country.
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Harry, where is the Michael Crichton obituary? And also, why is 2008 cursed for so many geek heroes? Winston, Carlin, Hayes, Ackerman, now Mr. Chrichton. What the fuck?
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somebody get a talkback up
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Nov 05, 2008 12:08:05 PM CST
THE LIMBAUGH INSTITUTE FOR ADVANCED CONSERVATIVE STUDIES
by bringingsexyback
Is this a real institute? For real? Or some figment of his ego? Any wingnuts enrolled there?
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At least the Europeans have some sense.
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article7095.html
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According to CNN, he kept his cancer 'private' so that's why it's such a shock.
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We all know it won't last one day
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The light seems brighter, colours seem more vivid... Marvelous. Congrats from this side of the pond!
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Nov 05, 2008 12:11:24 PM CST
It did seem better.....before MICHAEL CRICHTON...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...died. Fuck.
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They teach you how to troll for young boys in the Dominican Republic when you're all hopped up on Oxycontin and Viagra.
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to anyone who writes an anti global warming book that says that people will fake environmental disasters for grant money. or a book that says thats sexual harrassment in the workplace is usually a woman's fault. or a book that says the japanese are going to take over america. remember that bullshit? crichton even had an appendix in rising sun about how japan was going to own our country. or who kept recycling over and over and over the "theme park" with killer robots, dinosaurs, time travel, etc... ad infinitum. i'm sorry, yes, rest in peace michael crichton... but the man was an inflated reactionary hack with two ideas.
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http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/11/05/colin.powell.reaction.cnn
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Bu anyway...Congrats to the legion of Obama supporters here. We will all support to the best of our abilities the President of the U.S.; he will need it in these challenging times when so many abroad will try to take advantage of America’s ongoing perceived weakness.
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That is a loss. Terrible news. He took a beating from the lefties on global warming but he always, always, always did his homework and backed up his positions. A great critical thinker and fantastic author, what sad, sad, news on an otherwise glorious day.
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Nov 05, 2008 12:18:09 PM CST
drturing -- oh fuck off and consume my feces.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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Nov 05, 2008 12:18:13 PM CST
RUSH: "YOU REACH ACROSS THE AISLE AND THEY BREAK YOUR ARM!!"
by bringingsexyback
Only if you're reaching for my cock, stupid!
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Last night for the first time in a very long time I felt happy to be an American! My country made me proud, and not just because we elected my choice for president but because we as a nation saw past the color barrier, and we elected the right man for the job! The man who's best qualified, and that man is OBAMA.
He will be a fine president, and he unlike our current president has the love, and support of the public, and if he keeps his word, and does what he said he was going to do then we will all be just fine.
Congrats to Mr Obama, and thank god the Republicans are out of the white house!
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Nov 05, 2008 12:18:59 PM CST
its true. Its on Crichton's official site....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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Lots of it! Meltdown just starting ....
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The smarter guy finally won one of these things. About damn time.
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Nov 05, 2008 12:23:03 PM CST
its guys like lazerpants that made me sad for this country
by arcadiands
The day after an election should be like the 10 minutes after an NFL game. You brutally did your best to pound the opponent into the turf with relentless hits, but when the final clock reaches 0:00, you hit the field and shake hands, slap backs, and have a good time together. Things like "THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY HAS SPOKEN LOLZ" doesn't really serve any purpose when its in the best interest of this country that this overwhelming 54% and the "utterly destroyed" 46% dont set these kinds of attitudes aside. Obama's election was supposed to change all of that. It was supposed to usher in a new era.
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Nov 05, 2008 12:23:13 PM CST
YOU SHAVED YOUR CHIN, REVEALING YOUR BALLS!! AND BTW, OBAMA SUC
by bradm73
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Unlike any other time before people like myself all around the world are staring at our computer monitors in work today with a sense of hope and new beginning for not just America but the whole world. Like it or not, in our lifetime America is and always has been a massive world power, and for the first time I feel that the ignorance, the arrogance and the aggression they have brought with them politically will now be replace with fairness, humility and a desire for peace.
to quote my most recent favourite film, "The night is always darkest before dawn" lets all hope together that Barack Obama can be our Dark Knight :)
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Nov 05, 2008 12:25:43 PM CST
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Conservative Studies 302: Greed
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he's a guy who fights fire with fire and brings guns to a gunfight. Best way to deal with him is to not be a douche in the first place.
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..goddamnit!! I wanted to see Colin Powell choke up. Instead, I just saw Sarah Palin and almost choked.
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is being buried by important news, and not something stupid like Lindsey Lohan's 19th nervous breakdown.
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Michael Crichton, who helped create the TV show "ER" and wrote the best-sellers "Jurassic Park," "The Andromeda Strain," "Sphere" and "Rising Sun," died in Los Angeles on Tuesday, his public relations firm said in a news release.
He "died unexpectedly," the release said, "after a courageous and private battle against cancer."
He was 66.
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If your that fickle that you would allow your happiness of being an American swayed by who's in office (or whatever goofy criteria you might have) then it was a pretty weak and shallow understanding of what it means in the first place.
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Jurassic Park was one of the first serious novels I read as a kid. I remember borrowing it from the library, and I read it 14 times in a row before returning it.
That was when my parents started borrowing my books to read :)
Michael Crichton will be missed.
Speaking of those who will be missed, it was very nice to see Tim Russert's son Luke commenting on the election and the youth vote. The paternal way Brian Williams spoke to Luke really warmed my heart. It saddens me that Tim wasn't alive to cover this election, though. -
Just curious, when Bush won in 2004 by the slimmest of margins, didn't the right wing view that as a mandate?
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Can I use that quote on the poster for the movie about my career as a TB'er?
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Last night americans had a choice between two presidential parties. One party gave us two men with strong records for reaching out to help people and whom didn't vote in favor of this EVIL war they began. One of the two men was a senator from Illinois who just happens to be of mixed ethnicity, like most americans I might add. The other guys gave us a 72 year, wealthier than God, ex-POW who represents the failed policies of his broken party. In addition to being grossly wealthy he also wants to continue a failed and WRONG war so in his words, we don't lose, when there is nothing to win! Oh i'm sorry, he's talking about losing oil company and Haliburton contracts at the cost of many lives he neither knows or cares about. He then selects as his running mate the most vapid, empty headed, moron politician ever, whom happens to be a woman, so he can get the "Hillary" vote. After running the shittiest and often times most intellectually offensive campaigns in history they lost and thank Zeus for that. Obama won by a majority for a reason. There are a lot of smart people out there who didn't let fear stop them from making the right decision. Fear of color. Fear of terrorism. Fear of change. This has become what the Republican party represents to most of us. That's why they lost not just the head office but the house as well. To the people who are still afraid and angry that the mean old man and the SNL joke didn't get in, someday you'll realize how good a thing it was they didn't. Many crimes were committed to the american people in the last 8 years. It's time for Washington to take care of us. Will it happen? I think the odds are much better for us now. I want to leave you all on one final thought. Remember when the Republicans tried to impeach Clinton over lying about getting oral sex? Isn't lying about weapons of mass destruction and starting a war so they can line there pockets with oil and military contracts money a far worse crime? And I'm not even talking about the economy meltdown and the bailout. How the FUCK can anyone with a half a brain in there head vote Republican unless you are a frightened idiot or a rich greedy fuck who just doesn't care? The smartest choice one because a lot of smart people voted. Sorry idiots, but some day you'll thank us. It feels good to be an american today. Again.
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Calm down. "Your happiness of being an American" doesn't mean that you hated being American before Obama was elected and now you just love it. Can anyone deny that they are happier as an American when our country does great things, like landing a man on the moon? That doesn't mean loving your country depends on her doing such great things every day... but when you see your country accomplish such a feat, I think it's natural to be just that much more proud.
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On the radio they played a montage of clips from 2004-- where Hannity was saying CRY BABIES, SORE LOSERS, CONSPIRACY THEORISTS, GET OVER IT.....all sorts of shit in response to the sentiment that Bush had stole yet another election. So when he starts up with the ACORN shit tonight.....HAHAHAHAHAH. Fuck you Sean. You little snobby piece of shit.
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Nov 05, 2008 12:36:38 PM CST
This would have been a closer race if it werent' for the collaps
by drewlicious
Nevada turned on a dime because of hard times. And it'll turn again if Obama is anything less than extraordinary.
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"It's time for Washington to take care of us. "
I think that is weak and pathetic.
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Thats a damn lie and you know it. Nevada is blue for a long time now. States are not just up for grabs every election. A state doesn't completely flip every four years. You act like people just went Obama to "Try out the Dems." Bullshit. He did what no candidate has been able to do in a very long time. Bring the country together. Grow some fucking balls and admit that.
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Man, you are as viscious as a pitbull. Remind me never to get on your bad side.
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And of course it would have been a closer race if it weren't for the fucked up situation with the country. What-- you think thats some amazing observation of yours? Yeah. If the economy was great and jobs were prosperous and Bush was at 80% approval rating, it would have been pretty fucking hard to convince the nation we needed change. But thats not the world we live in. So what the fuck is the point of bringing it up? I can say....this would have been a much different race if McCain was 52 years old and a little less of a scumbag-- but thats not reality....
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Direct from Jessica Yellin last night. Unfortunately she beamed her hologram into my bathroom right as I was taking a dump.
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He means not give the rich people billions in tax breaks so that they "create jobs" by outsourcing shit to third world countries and sending the rest of us to low-end service shit.
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That somehow the vast majority of people won't cross party lines and vote for shit that ACTUALLY WORKS.
If Reaganomics worked, I would vote for it! If Republicans respected the Constitution and Democrats didn't (as opposed to them both pissing on it) I would vote for them! If they blow off their crazy base and morph into a fiscally responsible bunch of moderates who actually believe in limited government they will probably get more votes! But instead you went for the God vote and the Free Market Fudnementalists and you know what! Those people want things that are FACTUALLY BAD FOR THE COUNTRY. -
Harry should have cut his hair too.
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Bush's axis of evil is no more. Yipee and all that shite. Now can we get back to talking about movies please.
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I wish minor ills upon everyone who bitches and moans about black people voting for Obama because he's black. You idiots are on notice.
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C'mon.
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From Newsweek's Special Election Project comes the real Sarah Palin. She met staff members in a towel:
At the GOP convention in St. Paul, Palin was completely unfazed by the boys' club fraternity she had just joined. One night, Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter went to her hotel room to brief her. After a minute, Palin sailed into the room wearing nothing but a towel, with another on her wet hair. She told them to chat with her laconic husband, Todd. "I'll be just a minute," she said. -
What a lame whiney ass man bitch. As my wife would say ... he's toxic.
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....whoa shit-- did you guys read this?!! --------- At the GOP convention in St. Paul, Palin was completely unfazed by the boys' club fraternity she had just joined. One night, Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter went to her hotel room to brief her. After a minute, Palin sailed into the room wearing nothing but a towel, with another on her wet hair. She told them to chat with her laconic husband, Todd. "I'll be just a minute," she said.
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Rise and WORSHIP!!
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It's good to hear you didn't have a problem with anything else that Mr. Krinkle said.
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Not sure if that was a compliment or if you were using my statement to prove a point of yours. Regardless, there is nothing weak or pathetic about expecting, no demanding, that our government help the middle and lower classes. They sure do know how to take care of the rich. And the top 10 percent can afford a HUGE tax increase. Let's start with Cheney, Haliburton execs, and corrupt (as if there is any other kind) Wall Street CEOs! Let's tax the FUCKING SHIT out of those CRIMINALS first!! Then maybe I can get a tax break and a tiny amount of money back from this EVIL war I helped fund that I've been against since day one. Remember, Iraq didn't attack us. That's what I mean by "Taking care of the American people"! STOP RIPPING US OFF!!! Get it?
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I thought that was a scene from Nailin' Palin!
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Nov 05, 2008 1:14:40 PM CST
Obama on stupid debate questions...HILARIOUS!!
by dannyglovers_dickblood
From Newsweek S.E.
So when Brian Williams is asking me about what's a personal thing that you've done [that's green], and I say, you know, 'Well, I planted a bunch of trees.' And he says, 'I'm talking about personal.' What I'm thinking in my head is, 'Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I fucking changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective'." -
Fucking weird....we posted that seconds apart on Palin in a towel. Our cocks are in synch!!
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hee!
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Nov 05, 2008 1:19:13 PM CST
THIS IS HOW I REACTED TO THE OBAMA VICTORY LAST NIGHT TOO
by bringingsexyback
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/sherri-shepherd-sobs-over_n_141398.html
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ewwwwww
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But am loving the fact that Bush/Cheney regimes day's are NUMBERED!!!!!!!
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...both CAUSE and SOULTION to everything that ailes us?
Note in almost every speech, Obama lists a new federal bromide to address our malaise, rarely if ever advice to curb our own extravagant spending and borrowing, honor our debts, live lives that lessen our reliance on a burdened federal government, or seek personal responsibility to curtail illegitimacy, drug use, high school drop-out rates, and illegality that do so much to impoverish the nation. Surely some of the things that got us into the current mess were self-induced and not entirely the fault of the greedy “they” on Wall Street and in Washington?
I think instead of the "take care of us" quote you referenced above... we should be telling government to "Stay the fuck out of my way".
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I am fighting the urge eveyday now to think of you as a complete fucking idiot!
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...obviously sidelined during McCain's concession speech? Boy, did that look like an uncomfortable situation. I thought Sarah looked about two seconds away from breaking down in tears and Todd looked strangely pissed-off (I'd love to know what he was thinking at that moment.) McCain's rather awkward hug of Sarah and the obligatory handshake he offered Todd didn't look to help matters either. Almost made me feel bad for the whole enterprise. Almost.
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Nov 05, 2008 1:28:54 PM CST
MDG- it was the short bus McCain backed over Palin with
by irrelevntelefant
that had them looking so dejected... I was impressed with the crowd control at the McCain rally, I expected more bile...
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It was beyond awkward. The Wasilla Hillbillies and the Multimillionaire parting ways. Can't wait until the Newsweek issue comes out tomorrow.
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would've screamed "KILL HIM!!" one more time, just for nostalgia's sake.
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I honestly hope the guy pulls it together and somehow redeems himself after running such an atrocious campaign.
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Nov 05, 2008 1:31:24 PM CST
And folks like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, & Ann Coulter...
by mr. nice gaius
...owe this country an apology for their gross misunderstanding and misrepresentation of America. I have never seen three more outright party shills than those assfucks. I have little doubt that they are going out of their collective minds right now. And the best part is, they don't even understand why.
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Thats what I was saying earlier. I've never seen a candidate or spouse of candidate look actually ANGRY when they concede. Its usually sadness/disappointment of course....but Todd was fucking pissed. The Newsweek thing is gonna talk about how Steve Schmidt said absolutely no to Sarah speaking before John at the concession. Todd was probably fucking furious the campaign finally told her to fuck off.
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Nov 05, 2008 1:33:29 PM CST
The tyranny of the neo-conservative has come to an end
by industrykiller!
And we can all be proud of this country again.
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From his speech last night:"And, above all, I will ask you to join in the work of remaking this nation, the only way it's been done in America for 221 years -- block by block, brick by brick, calloused hand by calloused hand." "It can't happen without you, without a new spirit of service, a new spirit of sacrifice."
"So let us summon a new spirit of patriotism, of responsibility, where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves but each other."I would say that those statements qualify as not only the government, but ourselves, who must step it up. -
Thanks for the post...
Is it such a good thing that under Obama’s plan 50% of American might pay no income tax? — and thus have no stake in questions of wise federal expenditures of someone else’s internal revenue?
One neighbor says, “I love Obama — I’m paying no income tax now and getting a credit check from the government, so why work weekends?” The other neighbor replies, “Yes, I’m giving 65% of my extra profits to the government to pay for you, so why work weekends?” Many of the lower middle class will pay no income taxes and get a check back; many of the really wealthy will be taxed at lower capital gains rates (since they take their income often in stock selling and buying or have access to sophisticated shelters), but the victims would be precisely the upwardly mobile, upper middle class.
But hey, the cement is dry. I'm certainly not gonna change your mind...just my 2 cents. You've got a healthy rage going on concerning rich people so good luck with that.
Damn, I'm so relieved the election is over and here I am still rambling about issues. You can have the last word bro...my next post will no doubt be concerning superhero movies/Avatar or Doctor Who casting! ;)
Peace.
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Conservative talk radio thrives because there is a demand for it. It's as simple as that. If you don't like it, then that's really just too bad.
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Sure, any President can get a bj, but how many people can say they got blown by the VP (unless you count shotgun pellets to the face as being "blown", then none)
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That's not conservative talk radio, that's right wing extremists who promote hate and fear.
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@ the guy who said Obama would govern from the center. The irony is that's what Bush did for the most part. If you really believe Obama is some kind of centrist unifier you have a big surprise in store.
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irrelevntelefant - No worries, beer is good!As for the McCain/Palin thing, I'm imagining a couple scenarios where Sarah is either upset and apologizing to McCain for losing the race for him or else he is backstage screaming, "You crazy bitch! Do you realize what you've done to me?!"
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....and he is just as liberal, if not more liberal than I. He says he likes to hear the way the other side thinks. I understand that, but I find it a little annoying and repetitive.
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Yep. And it could very well be that Todd was simply pissed because his family has been humiliated in front of the nation. But, maybe that's what you get when you decide to roll with the "Maverick"...
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of the House, though. Pretty high ranking, there.Fuck, pardon me while I go vomit.
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Nov 05, 2008 1:46:21 PM CST
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've construct
by cotton mcknight
A couple of things that you need to know. I have mentioned before)- this election has been won by a new wave a voters. Great- welcome to the process. My concern though is that since these are non-traditional voters, they will be in a damn hurry to have things done quickly. Again, note the woman who seems to be under the illusion that her gas is going to be paid for. And since he is a "black president", that somehow everything will be different. The reality, though, is that Iraq policy will more than likely not change, and there will be few changes in the first 100 days. Why? Two reasons- ambition and ego. Obama is a smart man, but if we know one thing about him, it's that he is ambitious. And impatient. It is not a stretch to say that he will try to enact things very early and have sweeping reforms right out of the gate. Not gonna happen. It just won't- Washington doesn't work that way. Ego is another reason. Yes, he has a majority in congress but he also has two of the most egocentric people in congress running both houses. There WILL be a power struggle, mark my words. Pelosi will want to get credit for this and that instead of Obama. They are no longer the "voice" of the party in Washington, and they are going to have to adjust to that. All of this is within the shadow of those new voters. And idiot college kids. Their attention span is short, so don't be surprised if they turn on him within the first two years.
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They get to be critics again, instead of defenders. Defending the Bush administration wasn't easy, sitting on the sidelines criticizing Obama will be.
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... in Alaska. In related news, Alaska surpasses Alabama, Mississippi and Texas as the nation's stupidest state.
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20 bucks says she becomes a right-wing talk-show host. Pallin' with Palin, Tuesdays on FOX.
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Nov 05, 2008 1:51:36 PM CST
Mr. Nice Gaius -- I don't think he's that normal.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
And being angry your family has been humiliated would be a normal human reaction. The guy is a fucking freak-- I think he likes to imagines he pulls the strings when Sarah is in office, maybe he does. Have you heard the accounts of staffers in her Governor office that say he is there in her office with his feet up on the desk, playing politician nearly every day? And he is almost always in state meetings with only a few select people. Imagine that-- that fucker just sitting there next to Sarah staring at you. Fucking weird. Both he and Joe The Tax Evader should actually get jobs and find out what it feels like to contribute a little something to society.
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... and they're all glassy-eyed, shellshocked and grim today. I LOVE IT!!!
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Thats right, everyone who voted for Obama is a fucking idiot. All these dumb young voters don't know what the fuck is going on....they're just all delusional and under Barack's spell right? One day they'll all smarten up and this entire generation will become old school Conservatives? Uhhhhh sure. Fuck you.
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You'll have to SPEAK UP wingnuts as there is one hell of a Party goin on.
Now If you'll excuse me I have to rewatch last nights FOX coverage. It's like 1000 hilarious Colbert caricatures rolled into one gigantic payback pie. Taste the Freedom! -
I thought that the Obama thing was about change and bringing people together. Seems to be a lot of hate from the Obama supporters here. It is going to be hard to change things if your so full of hate that all you can do is attack. Live up to our new President's ideas and start working with your hated Republican brothers. (you know, not all of them are Neo-cons.) Republicans, stop being sore losers. Just deal with the fact that George Bush has ruined the Republican party and it will take hard work and some effort for guys like McCain to take the party back to what it once was. Damn, this mess we are in ecomonically isn't the fault of Democrats or Republicans alone...we all had a hand in it. Eveyone who bought a house they couldn't afford, every banker who sold a mortage that was doomed to fail so they could make a quick buck, every government offical that allowed it to happen (dems and repubs alike). Let's just get to fixing this shitty mess and move on.
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Apart from still President Bush's remaining lame duckery there's a hell of a lot still to play out.
Witness Ted Stevens who knows ALL the skeletons in the Alaskan Republican closet and can easily bring down Palin to the dismay of the NeoCon Palin faction, IF he feels cranky enough.
And I could be wrong but Ted is not exactly famous for his calm and measured disposition.
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"CA approved the ban on sham fag marriages..."You are an asshole. I may not agree with those on the right, but there are plenty of reasonable ones who come here and post. What I cannot stand is racist and homophobic ones, much like yourself.
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1. McCain would have won...no, cleaned house on Obama if he'd gone with the initial brainstorm and put Hilary on the ticket. It had to be something--possibly from McCain himself--like "Why not Clinton? It opens up her Senate seat and despite Dick Cheney, the Vice President really has little power. We can snag 20 million votes overnight." His handlers balked and quickly looked for a "Republican Hillary" who toed the party line. Enter Sarah Palin, who blew any momentum of a female selection by being apeshit nuts. Palin didn't lose the election for McCain, but she really didn't end up helping. It will come out someday that the initial impulse from the McCain camp was to attempt a McCain/Clinton ticket but greater powers slapped it down in favor of a conservative nutjob with a pretty face. 2. The lame duck administration is about to do something unbelievably shady to fuck over Obama's first months in office...whether it's a wave of insane pardons or doing something corrupt involving the Middle East that Obama will get totally fucked and blamed over...it's a four-year plan. This isn't a conspiracy theory, it's just...logic. RIP Mike Crichton.
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Have you read some of the racist and homophobic posts in this thread?
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You've now got your very own Tony Blair!Welcome to four years of spin and Socialist soundbites! Oh, and higher taxes all round!All the best from what used to be 'Great' Britain...Biggus x
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Anyone notice what a dickhead this guy is?"Bareback Yomama""Keith Olberfag""sham fag marriages"ETc, etc ... Someone's got some issues.
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I said it once and I'll say it again - NO ... YOU had your own Clinton in Blair. ... That's gross.
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Real Americans will get behind Obama. So what if you didn't vote for him, he's our president. Just because you didn't support Obama for president doesn't mean you can't support him as president.
At least give him a chance. Aren't we all sick of lame partisan shit? Let's end the cycle of hate. The right hates Clinton and left hates Bush. Please don't hate Obama just to spite the left. -
The idea that Obama and Bush are or were equally deserving of the benefit of the doubt is laughable.
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The intro - set to "Eye Of The Tiger" - was one of the most satisfying experiences of the day. Paranoid, self-aggrandizing, delusional and obnoxious - a job well done.
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After all, wasn't it George W. Bush who was personally responsible for putting New Orleans underwater? I read that somewhere...
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And therein lies the problem. A lot of fanatical assfaces think that being a loyal Republican or Democrat is what makes them "Real Americans" and that people with opposing views are the enemy. It's tough to get past that kind of un-telligence.
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All the Democratic voters were forced out of the state by a giant flood.
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Thanks for the last word, so here it is. I have no rage against rich people. I'm not that bad off, although I don't make more than 250K a year, i'm ok. I pay a lot in taxes like everybody else in this country, but I don't like the way the Republicans have been spending it. If you really want to defend the soulless corruption that has happened over the last 8 years than that's your bag. I am a white, middle class american who is tired of being lied to and ripped off. The republican party thinks americans are so stupid they can throw two clear cut bullshitters like McCain and Palin at us and we'll take it cause we're afraid of terrorists and black people. I'm glad this election is over and I can feel a lot better about the state of things for awhile. I'm also glad I will no longer hear about Joe Sixpack, Joe the fucking plumber, "Drill baby drill", baseless and brainless character attacks, lies, fear and war mongering. That's why they lost. There campaign was negative, racist, and down right STUPID. That's what I'm happy about more than anything. I also know that there is a very dark ignorant reason why you really don't want Obama as your president and it has nothing to do with taxes. If you read what I was really talking about you'd understand that it's all about this CRIMINALLY bad regime leaving office and that their "Manchurian Candidate" candidate, and his brainless running mate did not get in. A man is not a war hero just for getting captured by the enemy. And a woman is not strong because she shoots animals from a helicopter like a fucking mean coward. These two were obviously wrong for the country in many, many ways. It's not about taxing rich people for me Doctor. It's the big picture. That's something Republicans can't see. Thanks for the last word. Now let's see if you let me have it.
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I don't think what you're seeing is "hate" so much as a direct retaliatory response to the so-called "conservative" digs posted on these boards over the past couple of years. Sure, there are some here who could probably tone it down a little; be a little more gracious. But then this wouldn't be AICN Talkback now, would it?
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You're probably right, fella.I wouldn't piss on either of 'em if I saw them on fire. Let's hope your new chap can break the duck, eh?
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Nov 05, 2008 2:19:19 PM CST
Cotton, who gives a shit about talk radio?? You're impotent
by industrykiller!
Im not saying there arent any neo-conservatives left, give us 20 years on that one, but as a force of policy implementation you're fucked, totally and utterly fucked. And now we are going to prove how horrible your childish ill informed policies are. And you certainly arent going to get a foothold in four years. If you think Dems fought hard in this election just wait till the next now that we have the taste of blood. I volunteered at phone banks for the past montha nd next time around I think I'll start a few years early and that's the sentiment of every single volunteer I talked to. We are going to take you people apart and recombine you....syste-fucking-matically. Run Sarah Palin, she'll lose because she is an idiot in an age of potential enlightenment. She's proven herself a lightweight, a talking head with not a shred of intellectual clout. SHe is a loser, to use a simple but effective term. She lost. She IS losing still, you just cant see it. She lost the campaign for John McCain, in part, and she'll lose it for herself next.
As for talk radio, there is a market for that just like there is a market for American Idol. It's fucking theatre man, not politics. it's entertainment, cheap and shallow, and the ones that want to believe will continue to, let them, we've proven beyond a doubt we don't need them. And let them keep talking tearing the neo-conservative wing further and further from the actual Republican wing of the Republican party. It's a beautiful thing. Now shine my shoes bitch. -
I give him a puncher's chance, at least ...
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Not hyperbole, context. I was responding to someone who seemed to be suggest Obama was the end of America. I disagree. We can withstand a little socialism. We've done it before.
"The New Deal was either something that betrayed some of the core principles of the country, or something necessary to get through a rough time. I think it probably was both, but in which direction you shade it lies all the difference."
I agree. And the stuff that was beneficial/not destructive lives on, while the stuff that was actively destructive eventually got tabled. Lots of good stuff in the New Deal. WPA. The concept of Social Security was solid, might have been better implemented. Slaughtering livestock and burning crops to micromanage agriculture price was not such a good idea.
"Same with the Patriot Act and this bank bailout." Some good and bad in the Patriot Act, to be sure. Is there any good in the bank bailout? If there is, I don't see it. I think it's pretty much 100% bad. Rewards back actors who mismanaged their companies with big money while requiring very little--like, say, a change of all the crappy management--in return. Little new regulation regarding the bad behaviors that helped lead to the crisis. I'm pretty much 100% opposed to the bank bail out. -
He's convinced a radical is about to enter the White House. What are he and others like him going to do when it becomes clear this is not the case? Dumpster diving, I guess.
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Obama's victory ceremony really, really reminded me of the end of Return of the Jedi. People literally were celebrating like we just blew up the Death Star. And the music was similar. I kept expecting the camera to pan up to the sky to show a bunch of ships dropping fireworks, then screenwipe to credits.
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Everybody else is the Devil. And should kill themselves. I'm seeing a lot of graceless, nasty winners and some frickin' retarded, nasty losers. Yay. For both our sides. We all get to lose.
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I dunno. Even if he is a radical, he ran a very balanced campaign. If he really wants to advance a radical agenda, wouldn't he do that by who he puts in the courts and installs in the Federal Bureaucracy, rather than in a highly public and risky fashion? Why give the opposition anything substantive to organize around?
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"and recombine you....syste-fucking-matically" . . .Okee-dokee. Sounds fun."If you think Dems fought hard in this election just wait till the next now that we have the taste of blood."A tingle just ran up my leg. I'm feeling all hopey-changey.
"Now shine my shoes bitch."
No camps? I was hoping you'd suggest that conservatives should be rounded up and put in camps. To, you know, come up with a final solution to the conservative problem.Sheesh. -
On a historic night where California helped elect an African-American as president for the first time, they went ahead and repealed the rights for gay people to get married.
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Even as a Republican, I'm glad this happened. If nothing else, it only proves the so-called "civil rights" pundits of the left wing wrong - this is NOT a racist nation. Maybe 96% of the blacks voted for Obama, but even that couldn't guarantee him this victory. ALL races made this happen, particularly the Caucasian majority (for now...).
Of course, it remains to be seen if he can live up to his image and responsibility, but frankly, I don't think either candidate would be able to bring about the sort of quick and sweeping change that was promised and hoped for. Things are just too screwed up all the way around. In any case, I'm afraid Obama is going to wind up disappointing a lot of the more liberal elements out there that voted for him - I don't think he's as liberal as even he would have people believe, which doesn't seem all that liberal to begin with. Obama's a centrist - he had to be and will still have to be - and even if it's no reflection on him, his election is NOT going to mean tidy resolutions to either the problem in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East or the economy. The Middle East never cared and never will care what any Western diplomat has to say and warfare only guarantees a stalemate. Troops leave and one of two, if not both things happen - terrorist sects take over Afghanistan and overwhelm the Iraqi government and then they start hatching plans to go after Israel, the U.S. and its allies again with plans like 9/11 - all this regardless of whether the U.S. administration is Republican or Democrat.
As for the economy, too many people are to blame for there to be a tidy resolution / solution there, either. Unfortunately, the country can't afford the overall consequences that would come with what it would take for the banks and the overzealous consumers buying up what they can't afford to learn their lessons. This is why the $700 billion (or is it trillion?) bailout that, at best, only threatens to eventually return us to the stable, but still less-than-satisfactory status quo. But, hey, in the meantime, at least gas prices are down, right?
Anyway, like I said, I'm a Republican, but that party has screwed up criminally and regardless of what's been said lately, it NEVER actually supported McCain and if it doesn't give her her own talk show or something to keep her busy, it will quietly lynch Sarah Palin to make sure she never tries to run for another branch of public office outside Alaska or even her hometown (whatever that is).
Obama's political victory alone is a NECESSARY step in America's evolution and perhaps the first truly positive one in a while. Yeah, he's our first "black president," but he didn't win it BECAUSE he's black and certainly not because of Affirmative Action - I suspect Obama never, EVER needed Affirmative Action in the first place, just like the country doesn't. If Obama's election doesn't prove that, I don't know what will - and, actually, if this election isn't a death nail in the whole Affirmative Action cause, then it's proof that these so-called "civil rights" leaders are PROFITING off stirring up fear, off of false accusations of racism and fighting for unfair and UNEQUAL entitlement, all of which is no better than what Cheney or any other big oil or other corporate rep. in government has been doing for the last eight years. -
No trace of Choughdrop OR Foreskin? Aww. I see DocWho? is still peddling his particular brand of holier-than-though "conservative" snake-oil. Bigger balls than the brain-trust twins?
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'Biggest mistake my party made was making "morality" the business of the federal government. Sure, with gay marriage, you got financial issues hinged to spousal rights, etc., but whether you're for or against homosexuality, why care? Marriage hasn't been a truly respected institution in the U.S. for forty years, so who cares if the gays want to get married - why is it such an issue?
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The vitriol in this talkback is sad, just like every other talkback on political subjects. And it's coming from both sides. But then again, AICN is defined by hate--just ask Michael Bay. Hate is the last refuge of the ignorant, and these talkbacks are breeding grounds for their ilk.
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... your guy loses? Your agenda is in tatters? What's a "fair & balanced" "news" organization to do? Why, PUMP UP THE FEAR of course...
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One, most presidents govern from the middle. They campaign black and white, then go grey when in office. This is inevitable given the makeup of our syste. Two, fuck you Add a Friend, right up your asshole.
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Nov 05, 2008 2:56:18 PM CST
ARE WE GOING TO HEAR 4 YEARS OF CRYING FROM ZACDILONE?
by bringingsexyback
Because if that's the case I want to change my vote to McCain/Palin.
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Is that the tag-line for Transformers 2: Rise of the Fallen? Oh I almost forgot -- FUCK OFF.
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And I like the ole' concentration camp addage you threw in there to make the cause ever the victim. I see what ya did there partner. I wish I could go as far to say that we took you guys out completely on our own but nope, it was good old folly, hubris, and ignorance that did you in. Notice though, since you seem to think I'm a soar winner, that I specify neo-conservative and not conservative or Republican. If I come off strong on them its because while unification needs to happen with Republicans, there will never be any on the neo conservative end. They don't want it and I can't envision a future in which they will get it or accept it if offered. The only course forward against their very real threat to humanity is marginalization. Just like the rest of the bigots. You can whine about me being harsh but Im nothing if not honest. BTW when did you guys become such wimps? Crying that because people are being mean to one another that no one is winning? Come now, be a man. If you don't have any way to defend yourself at least resist the urge to simper like a child.
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This is gonna suck balls
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The people in Rotterdam and Amsterdam were partying hard. The dutch people are happy that the U.S.
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So awesome.
As for the Fox News and AM radio blowhard imbecile fear machines, you have to think that deep inside they are LOVING that Obama was elected. Now they have something to whine and complain about for the next 4 years, and their diehard listeners and viewers will eat it up. Lets hope President Elect Obama brings us into a golden age and the blowhards disappear.
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...Have voted for Obama. Go PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!
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Well, what are you waiting for then? SUCK IT!
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Now THAT'S the kind of Republican who is gonna do well in the new political landscape. I don't agree with him on every point he made, that we should stay in Iraq specifically, but he MAY be right and I hope to God someone who is of that opinion will at least have Obamas ear so we know what we may be up against. He knows what a threat uneducated ideologues are to the greatness of America. That, kevinwillis, is a REPUBLICAN, not a NEO-CONSERVATIVE, see the difference? I respect guys like him immensely and as for the other brand. Yes Kevin...."syste-fucking-matically".
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All credit to The Great Schlep for helping Obama take Florida. Sarah Silverman, take a bow.
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Sorry I'm so late to this party, I was out pretty late at the big LA Obama gala. It's funny to think that you and I have been arguing more or less side by side on the liberal end of things for years on this site all the while the cloud of this presidency has hung over us like death. Well it's over man and we can finally go on the DEFENSIVE. Which feels good. Let's keep fighting the good fight friendo.
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Nov 05, 2008 3:20:06 PM CST
actually, hate is the first refuge of the ignorant...
by irrelevntelefant
I believe Hank McCoy said it in an early X-men...
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My man. Glad you celebrated last night - this is a beautiful thing. Now we have a long road ahead of us - to further marginalize the fringe wingnuts, really batter them and totally destroy them. Round them up, and well ... let's keep the details to ourselves!!!
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Where was the big party in L.A.?
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"Conservative Radio"? Really? You've got to be kidding.
Since when is overweight wealthy angry men whining for hours on end deemed 'Conservative"
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A reformer with results? And what about all those people chanting "It's time for them to go!" and "Bringing dignity back to the White House!"We had to listen to that crap for months. And the right told us to suck it and deal with the Supreme Court decision.The right were so enamored with Bush in 2000 they would have followed him up his own arsehole. So why is the left being called sheep and being mocked for all the things Obama promised.Get over yourselves. You gave us 8 years of Bush who didn't deliver on a damn thing. And you have the balls to crap on our victory? Where's the shame?I've spent the day reading the Fox Forums and neocons are classless scum. Calling for the death of Obama and branding everyone who voted for him a traitor. The same "You're either with us or against us" morons are declaring "Oh he ain't MY President!"Apologies to Toadkillerdog and Just Pillow Talk but those retards need to choke on a bag of dicks.And STFU with the "this TB is a breeding ground for hate" crap. If someone spews hatred against gays by talking about "sham fag marriages" they best be prepared for the nasty backlash.
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Nov 05, 2008 3:26:04 PM CST
DGDB- you're right. It's "violence is the first refuge"
by irrelevntelefant
and of course hate begets violence...
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Would you please ouline what qualifies me being a horrible person worthy of death? Because I still thought this was a free country where one could give thier opnion- well until Jan. 20th at least... ha! But seriously- some more information please becasue you have no argument.
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Nov 05, 2008 3:30:15 PM CST
bullshit this TB is a "Breeding ground for hate"
by dannyglovers_dickblood
This TB is packed full of people happy as hell and ready to pounce on any dumb motherfucker trying to downplay this great moment in history. I've been dealing with the right-wing ignorance on the site for months. Its time to SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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It was a fucking madhouse. ANd I'm always one to bitch about the lack of community in Los Angeles but last night I haven't seen that much human solidarity since I was in Boston the day of the '04 Red Sox World Series parade. It was really truly beautiful. At one point it got so packed there that they shut down the hotel entrances for a bit. Luckily I knew someone with a room key so I could get in. It was just really brilliant to be able to be around people for that kind of history.
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tears of joy for the first time in my life last night.
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Nov 05, 2008 3:32:16 PM CST
its not HATE....its called a preemptive strike...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...on stupidity.
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http://tinyurl.com/675efk
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TONIGHT on San Vicente Blvd. between the West Hollywood Park and the Pacific Design center at 7PM. Specifically 647 N. San Vicente Blvd. West Hollywood CA 90069. Let's tackle this casual bigotry and start establishing the post Bush Barack Obama America of tolerance right fucking now. Don't let this social disease begin to spread.
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Hey- I don't disagree with you in your last post to me. In fact I agree with it- but as other talkbacks have mentioned the white vote among other races has helped Obama- I concede that white mans guilt may not have played a part in it- I personally think the win was mainly due to every ones opinion on Bush. However- I do think that there are those white people that think “it would be cool to vote a black man in because well- we have never seen it before, plus we owe them." Forget the issues...it was a beauty pageant on magnificent proportion – albeit the black miss America pageant…
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Nov 05, 2008 3:40:46 PM CST
Thanks Industry for the heads up on the prop 8 rally
by irrelevntelefant
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Nov 05, 2008 3:53:08 PM CST
Tacoloft -- the fact that Obama is President....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...should not seal the deal on Affirmative Action. I'm not a strong supporter of it-- but I see why something like it would exist. Just because Obama is President does not change the condition of so many black youth in our country. The small percentage of them that get through High School in inner cities, the insane percentage of them that end up in jail immediately after High School. That doesn't just go away now.
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Hate to break it to you, bud, but that ain't "I'm totally straight" talk.
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is by using Hitler tactics". Are you kidding me? That's not what I said. Would it surprise you to learn that I actually voted for Obama in the primaries? I did. But the more the election dragged on, the more I saw this guy for what he is. I just don't like what he has done to get the presidency- including spending gobs and gobs and GOBS of money indiscriminately. Throwing money on a commercial, throwing money at California (really? California?), throwing money at everything. It makes me wonder what he will do with tax dollars. But I am not speaking about the merits of his Presidency. I am talking about his campaign and the movement afoot. I absolutely compare it to any social revolution in any category and will do so again if anyone asks.
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Nov 05, 2008 3:58:19 PM CST
Ok Tacoloft, what issue exactly was McCain better on?
by industrykiller!
Go to factcheck.org, a utterly no partisan site, look up the facts and you tell me who has the better policy proposals. As for the anti-gay snark in your last post, you are the one bringing up beauty pageants. I mean I don't think anyone else was talking about Barack Obama being a handsome guy but you said it....
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And replace it with Opportunity Action. While the idea that someone should be given a spot in school or a job do to the mere color of their skin, I see no problem with someone gaining access to a school do to the personal hardships they have overcome, including poverty and economic hardship. And of course, traditionally minorities have been the ones affected by poverty and economic hardship the most. While I don't se why Bill Cosby's children should be allowed easier access to schools than need be, I have no problem with some poor kid who studied hard and busted his ass from Chicago's Southside or the East LA or Appalachia getting into a school.
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I've been hearing this argument for a while now, and it's really annoying. Better yet, the whole 'he only won because he had more money' one is ridiculous too. Don't you think the Republicans would have spent that much money if they had it? They certainly let Palin go wild at Neiman Marcus. The truth is that 'gobs of money' was from donors, most under $200, many simply from everyday people giving money to the website. Obama has run one of the most (if not the most) wildly successful grassroots fundraising campaign in the history of this country. And, yeah, he used that money to his advantage. Does this bode well for the country? Of course. He knows how to raise money effectively, and he knows how to spend it effectively. If one extrapolates, then Obama's claim that he can pay for every new program he creates isn't that far-fetched.
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STRAIGHT TALK EXPRESS. hehehe.
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Nov 05, 2008 4:04:00 PM CST
yeah DGDB... may want to dial back that "dick in ass" talk
by irrelevntelefant
if you plan on being in WeHo tonite... someone might put you to the test on that one...
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I agree. There needs to be a whole new approach to it. It is not fair for anyone to accept one group over the other group when one group has lower scores. I understand the logic behind it-- the kids of color come from worse schools with less funding so they have been behind from the start. Thats where it should fucking stop, right there. Schools in every neighborhood need to rise up and become equal. Black kids from inner cities should not have to be in a situation where they are accepted to a school merely because of the color of their skin-- they should be given the opportunity from elementary school to rise up and have the same shot as some rich ass white kid from Connecticut. Like Barack says "PROGRESS IS FROM THE BOTTOM UP." That needs to be the approach with a new generation of Affirmative Action. And YES-- that means giving more funds to the inner city schools than the white upper middle class schools. Be fair you greedy fucks.
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I gotta a lotta love for the gays. But not that much love. Not willing to risk injury, I'm sorry.
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The reason they voted for him is because they related to him and feels a connection. I don't hear anybody taking Texas to task for the majority of them voting for Bush the last two elections (damn racist Texans well only vote another Texan). It is the same reason why the majority of movie stars are white or why actors who direct seem to win the Academy Award at a higher percentage: because the majority of the audience relates with them. Now, why did white Americans vote for Barack Obama over John McCain? The same reason Will Smith dominates the box office...he sent a message that all of America could relate with.
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That is why I loved his speech at the convention. "They tell you to pull your boots up and make it on your own, even if you don't own any boots." I am paraphrasing of course.
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And our school system sucks. And I for one would fuck a Mormon chick over a guy. I would fuck the Mormon right out of her. They fold quicker than a lawn chair. If we had just fucked all the Mormon girls, Prop 8 wouldn't have passed.
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People are talking about Obama's race because it's significant about what's possible in this country. And, yes, African-Americans voted for him because he reflects them to a certain degree, unlike every other presidential candidate in history. But to say 'white guilt' is the reason he was elected is just plain stupid. If that was the case, Jesse Jackson would have gotten the nomination in 1988. Obama proved that not only could he overcome race issues, but engage them, like he did with his excellent speech repudiating Wright - one of the most intelligent and nuanced speech on race I've ever seen a politician give. Obama showed that his race was irrelevant by leading a calm and balanced campaign, offering good ideas and fighting against a tired GOP establishment. Obama absolutely would have won 'if he were white' - which is a completely flawed hypothetical, especially since he was raised by a white family and is half white. It's just that Obama's mixed race certainly added to the emotionality of the race, and the historical nature of his win. But race aside, Obama was absolutely the better candidate who ran a better campaign. And lovecraftian, I was right there with you in Chicago. I've never seen such a camaraderie among mixed race, North Side/South Side Chicago crowds before either. An amazing night.
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the idea of polygamous Mormons arguing for 'traditional marriage' is like... is like... some ironic analogy. Any takers?
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...it can be a massive overhaul of the education system in this country. And we need massive funding for after school programs to keep inner city kids out of trouble, which leads to juvenile hall, which leads to no High School, which leads to prison. Save these kids from the start. The entire black community can rise up in one generation if we just give them the tools to do it.
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Well part of the reason I would fuck a man in the ass over fucking a Mormon girl is the fact that 99% of Mormon pussy smells like Mitt Romney's semen.
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Actually their have been a couple of Mormons who have sided with the "no on 8" people for that very reason. So not all Mormons suck.
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Not ALL Mormons suck. Just 96.674453% of them do. There is a pretty cool Mormon family that lives on my street. They are barely evil at all.
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in a shitty school and rose to become a CEO. So while I'm definitely for the increased funding of inner city schools, crime is a choice and I think what some Democrats fail to acknowledge is the idea of personal responsiblity. It's not just a systemic failure that causes this problems but it is certainly a significant factor. Obama DID address this in his speech last night as someone else pointed out.
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You all are singing the praises of Obama, his speeches were amazing, his policies prove this that and the other. You realise that they employ a huge team of people for the sole purpose of winning the election, right? His amazing speeches were agonised over for days/weeks/months by a lot of people. They prove absolutely nothing about the person they are written for except that they can memorise a script and deliver it in a way that makes people believe in what they are saying.
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People complaining about the tone in here are smoking crack rocks. Yeah there's some ball-busting but nothing to write home about.
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Hehehehehehehehhee
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Crime is a choice, absolutely. But it is mighty hard to sway a demographic away from a life of little education and lotsa crime, when it is sewn in the fabric of their culture. And it is. They grow up surrounded by it. You hear the things inner city kids in Compton say. Shit like, "I'm not gonna live past 25, so why go to school?" That cannot be classified as a mere choice. The odds are nearly impossible for them to get out of the hood and change their course and succeed in the world. Thats just the way it is. It has nothing to do with personal accountability, it has to do with being on the wrong track from the minute you're born. Someone must intervene and change this.
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So then I suppose this means we should round up, prosecute, and jail all the white color (wnad usually white skinned) corporate criminals and deceptive bankers who, under the Repugnicon policies of de-regulation, all but tanked the world economy and has us dangling on the precipice of the second depression? Or, wait, how about the last president and vp who launched a false war based on false pretenses and evidence they created to further their Oil Baron agenda?
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Did Bill O'Reilly wake up to a Phone call from Flavor Flav shouting "YES WE CAN BANG YOUR WIFE BILL ! YEAAAAAH BOYEEEEE!!"
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Nov 05, 2008 4:48:27 PM CST
SuperJ:so then I guess McCain employed people to help him lose?.
by irrelevntelefant
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Also the comparison of drug sentencing for a white guy vs. a black guy caught with the same amount of drugs is fucking disgusting. The thing is-- the entire Justice System is unfair when it comes to the prosecution of people of color, but thats okay. When it comes to being unfair with admittance to an Ivy League college-- thats when people have a problem and raise a stink.
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And only the NeoCon idealogues haven't yet cottoned on to the fact that she quickly became a HUGE drag on the ticket.
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Yes crime is a choice, but it isn't like it is the same choice as paper or plastic. Sometimes people find themselves in desperate situations and feel forced to do desperate acts. While, like you, I do believe in personal responsibility, I also understand how sometimes being a criminal is the only option you have. Just read Les Misérables!
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I'm not a Republican and I'm not about to forgive people who "perpetrate massive scale crimes". I also don't want "black teenagers executed for selling weed" (otherwise, how would I smoke?)
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Amazing How Many Action Movie Lovers on AICN Are Liberals. Harry Knowles you realize that using violence and guns to solve problems (ala HOLLYWOOD) is Conservative. Can you say NRA? I am in the middle. I support the liberals abortion stance and the conservatives death penalty. I wonder what would have happened if a person HUNG effigies of both OBAMA and McCain in their yard? Freedom of speech, truth to power.
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I'm not saying these issues don't need to be dealt with...and by the government. But there is the other half of it. Which is why I like Barack because he understands this.
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Fair enough, and if I misrepresented you I apologize.
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I would always advocate the road less traveled but that doesn't mean I don't understand people who take the other option.
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but not as much as it used to be, and it's going to get better and better.
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Wait...so you think if someone enjoys an action movie, with guns-- thats being Pro-NRA and I should therefore be a Republican? Really? What if I think every gun in the real world should be thrown in the ocean and we should just be left with the fake blank guns on film? How about that? Am I still Pro-Gun?
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LaserPants did a little bit but all is fair in love and war.
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Go on ...
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Human nature is racist - we are programmed to "hate" the other and view him as competition. However, man can overcome his racist nature, just like we can overcome other things that are part of our "nature": incest, rape, murder and adultery.
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We'd just kill each other with bows and arrows, swords, meat cleavers, our hands, knives, grenades, bombs, lasers and fire.
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...you see Barack totally understands the inner city/low income struggle. And he understands what they need to get out of it. But he also understands they don't just need handouts. A lot of those clueless Republican nipples should have given his book a read before they opened their fat ass mouths.
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Crosses party lines.
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I think it is more of wish fulfillment than it is of supporting guns and violence. I mean, conservatives our all for preserving families but I bet they watch as much porn as anybody. Or maybe even more.
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Dr. Who, don't even try to front. If government "gets out of our way" you'll live like a fucking peasant. Why do people still think this? The reality is we needed regulation to curb the incessant greed of the wealthy. Otherwise, you'll be looking at the reintroduction to 14 hour work days and no health insurance. Yes, that IS how things used to be and how they could be again. Fuck off.
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I think he understands all sides to every issue actually. Very judicial thinker.
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Nov 05, 2008 5:10:46 PM CST
Fire IS the cleanser... it purifies us all with the heat of righ
by g100
And now I must go witch hunting from a Helicopter.
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Damn line ending. (serious points can wait folks);-)
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I did not want McCain to win and I did not vote for him, but be honest...IF he'd won and in his victory speech said improvement might not come "in one year or one term" he would've been hammered by the exact same media that is just about completely ignoring that comment from Obama.
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Jarv: I smite shitheels as much as I breath, which is ALL the fuckin' time haha
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Sorry Harry, I did not know what you looked like. Obama can't fix that. Grats to your victory!
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How naive most American voters seem to be. Obama will serve the interests of the elite and the multi-nationals whilst continuing Bushs foreign policy with a few minor changes. More skirmishes overseas and more fearmongering to look forward to. America would have voted for Ron Paul if they did a little research for themselves instead of getting all their information from Fox News.
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Nov 05, 2008 5:43:25 PM CST
misnomer: if we got all our info from Fox, McCain would have won
by irrelevntelefant
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the japanese are working on it, they dont need to be american president for that.
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and soon made himself scarce. Did he actually keep his word about not coming back if McCain lost? Or did he just finally choke to death on his own stupidity?
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Nice zingers there. I didn't vote for McCain -what makes you think I did?
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Perhaps you should go mend a fence or just bury your head in the huge pile of shit that is your hope for a united America!!1111
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It's a mandate for change, you better believe if McCain had done this well we'd hear that from the right. And there's one specific section of the right who are done, unequivocally done. Neo-cons have been utterly invalidated not only because Obama's non extremist attitude and campaign is the exact opposite of their particular brand of political filth. The Neo-con defeat is painfully ironic for these con artists because they were the consummate "reality" manipulators (we all know the infamous "creating new realites" quote - that's just the most hilariously blatant example of the neo-con brand of post modern nihilism which is itself all the more disgusting because they pretend to be traditionalists who denounce anything like Baudrilliard while installing a cowboy Simulacra in the seat of power), they understand the power of symbols and while GWB and his "divine wind" christian symbolism is powerful the abstract otherness of Obama is ten times as potent a symbol for both America and the rest of the world. It's a great day and while Obama is far from my ideal choice for today I'm giving up on being jaded and allowing myself to hope.
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Nov 05, 2008 5:57:48 PM CST
TerryMalloy -- you have the smartest post of the day....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
"I think the appeal of action movies crosses party lines." It really does. I could probably enjoy a Steven Seagal movie side by side with a member of Al Qaeda bent on destroying America. Its like the soccer games in Iraq. For those few hours....the country is at peace. I guess the message here is......VIOLENT ACTION MOVIES ARE BEAUTIFUL.
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Obviously, we don't have your 12th level intellect to see all of the chicanery going on in the world. Please enlighten us little Epsilons.
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Well put. My point is that it was an iconic moment that I think white people and other races wanted to be a part of at the expense of electing a socialist. I am glad for the great feelings and lovefest you had- as the democrat party is more or less a party based on feelings- (you offended me! equal rights! reperations! racist! Rich vs. Poor-we can't have that! What is yours is all of ours! ect...) Political correctness is todays form of fascism and if you don't agree then well- you are plain evil and should die. At least that is the emotional feelings turned fact as expressed by the far left.
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Tacoloft, check my commits above. I explain why Barack is NOT a socialist.
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...awhile back. I can't find it. But it was basically actually Socialists in America slamming Barack. They were pissed he was being called a Socialist and saying he was just as corporate as John McCain and he didn't have the courage to institute real Socialist policy.
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Or did all of his supporters have their fingers in their ears at the time ?
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Prepare to be wrong. Coughlin's scale wrong.
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Nov 05, 2008 6:10:01 PM CST
McCain admitting Obama was not a socialist....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...was fucking hilarious. LARRY KING: You've said Obama is a Socialist. McCANCER: Yes. LARRY KING: You believe that he is? McCANCER: No. Larry stares at him behind wide Owl eyes thinking "This is one dumb senile motherfucker.....and he doesn't even wear suspenders. Pussy."
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I checked on FOX News, and I was very happy with what I read. Conservatives are saying that McCain wasn't conservative enough, and their party needed to get back to it's principals. Thank you. If the GOP actually thinks that, then the Democrats can pick up even more seats in 2010, and reelect Obama in 2012 (when the world ends by the way). What the fuck is it going to take to make the GOP right wingers realize that the majority of Americans think they are fucking idiots? Will electing a black, lesbian, single mother over a right wing Republican make them realize that the majority of Americans don't share their beliefs? No, it won't. They can't be wrong, because God is on their side and He hates faggots, liberals, and illegal immigrants...my bad...
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Predictions are bullshit!
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In a tiny nutshell:
NeoCons want to be led.
Liberals want to be represented.
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NEWSWEEK has also learned that Palin's shopping spree at high-end department stores was more extensive than previously reported. While publicly supporting Palin, McCain's top advisers privately fumed at what they regarded as her outrageous profligacy. One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family—clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus.
According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent "tens of thousands" more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Some articles of clothing have apparently been lost. An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast," and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books. -
Yeah, and like I said there is a lot of hate. My point was, since President-Elect Obama talks about bringing people together, I figured that the folks who support him would work toward...well bringing folks together rather than resorting to the same slimy behavior as those attacking them.
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So you're saying NEOCONS are basically retarded?
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Nov 05, 2008 6:15:23 PM CST
The Dems in Congress arent safe, they going under the Bus to....
by the founder
THE MOMENT THEY FUCK UP. While i can't preduct the future i think obama will be a good president. The man seems to be about straight business. He's not going to deal with all tha political and cultural shannanigans that will arise, like grred, and kickbacks, sex scandals and so forth. Them people going under hte Bus. For Real!
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The voters have spoken: nobody likes you. If you want a theocracy move to Iran, you sorry fucks.
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Yes.
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Agreed. We should heed Obama's call to put away immature, partisan politics.
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That's funny. Have you heard this one.
"The Republican Party is the party of bad ideas and the Democratic Party is the party of no ideas."
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Nov 05, 2008 6:20:16 PM CST
"you'll keep trying to change it til you get the result you want
by thunderbolt ross
"you'll keep trying to change it til you get the result you want."Wow what a crazy idea; working to get a desired result. Insanity!
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Although, I would argue that while that may be a precedent for past elections and past Presidents, we are talking a different game now. I think it's safe to say that ideas won the day yesterday and; the election. Now....
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...commands. As soon as one of the Republicans filibusters a bill that he wants to sign, he will give the command and the heretic will burst into flames. A theocracy headed by Obama would be okay, I just don't want one headed by a Republican. OBAMA 2012!!!!!
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Those left in Congress are those who are MOST beholden to the Palin/NeoCon Religious right ideology. The rump if you will.
So the chances of a return to Moderate Conservative Republicanism are slim indeed. Particularly if Palin is crowned presumptive Nominee in a flurry of blind Panic.
Bush and the NeoCons will haunt the Republican Party for many, MANY years to come but I doubt any lessons have be learned if the rush to blame McCain by overlooking the manifest failures of the Bush/NeoCon years are anything to go by. Never forgetting the Moderate voters rejection of Palin.
I still think Palins desperate attempt to distance herself from Ted Stevens will come back to bite her on the ass as he struggles to remain in power.
I also doubt EVERY Republican who spoke out against Palin (and either wants the 2012 slot or supports someone other than Palin for it) will meekly accept her as the only possible response to Obama.
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if you lose both fat and beard...what are you? just another red headed geek....and finally, let me say....FUCK THE WINGNUTS....LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSERSSSSSSSSSSSSSS....today, el druggo's fat head finally exploded
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"Rule by judges. Clear enough?"
Oh, you mean like how the supreme court had Bush elected in 2000?
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Your presence guarantees Democratic victories, forever. Bitter Dumb White Rural Murrikans for the win!
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Let's focus on fighting the real problems of the world!
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Is that true? HAHAHAHAHA!!! OMG!!! The Repugnicons done got PLAYED by their own desperate ploys AGAIN! HAHAHAHA!! Omg! Suck it Neocons! You're OVER. Its a beautiful day to be alive.
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on wikipedia. Its an amazing family.
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I shall leave you tonight by reciting in full, the most prolific speech in our great nation's history. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s "I Have A Dream" speech. ----------------
I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.
Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.
But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.
In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check — a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quick sands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.
It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.
But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.
We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. They have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.
As we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied, as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their selfhood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating "For Whites Only". We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.
I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive.
Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair.
I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.
I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.
This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to the South with. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.
This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring.
And if America is to be a great nation this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania!
Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado!
Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California!
But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia!
Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee!
Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.
And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!" -
I gotta say I'm really surprised, and impressed with America.
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Fear not, Add to friends; for when you distrust THE ONE your trip to the re-education camp will free you of all doubts.
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Powerful words. Thanks Danny it's been a while since I saw/read that.
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How do you feel about gays?
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That is the way this country works, Ass. That's how a law that was already in the books got changed with the vote for Proposition 8. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Unless there's something illegal in the works, I don't know what you're bitching about. People fight for their beliefs; that's what a free and dynamic society does.
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Nov 05, 2008 7:44:35 PM CST
Holy Shit! O'Reilly is reporting Palin did not know Africa
by toadkillerdog
Is a Continent! She thought it was a single country.
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Are you serious about your question to Add to Friends? "Bareback Yomama"
"Keith Olberfag"
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for why gay men and women are second class citizens in this country? Please, spew out your hate. This is the marketplace of ideas after all. And our ideas are going to fuck your ideas...in the ass...until it dies slowly, bleeding anally.
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Nov 05, 2008 7:51:42 PM CST
She thought South Africa was not a part of Africa at all
by toadkillerdog
I mean,jeebus booby humping crackers! McCain people knew this and quite a few other whoppers of idiocy, and still pushed her. And some assholes still think she would have been qualified. Mind boggling.
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"Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood." -Marie Curie Don't be afraid of what you hate, Add to Friends.
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There's a LOT of anti-intellectualism out there. Appealing to ignorance gets a lot of votes.
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After ANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD (if that is his real name) posted the MLK speech, it caused me to reflect and think how this presidential race and election was actually NOT about race. I know many of the Republicans feel otherwise, and insist it was blacks voting for Barack because of the color of his skin (the "Why Colin Powell Endorsed Him" defense) and that whites voted for him out of White Guilt. And why I have no doubt that the vast majority of people voted for him manly do to his skin color (which I can understand, since for once in American history they were actually being represented on a ticket) it doesn’t answer why the rest of America voted for him. And I think it is because for Americans could look at Barack and not see a black man, but a fellow American. That he transcended race. The history of mankind has been one of exclusion. At first it was you were not of the same tribe as me; then it was you were not of the same ethnicity as me; and than it was you were not of the same race. While most of the rest of the world has been monistic and defined by nationalities (even our Enlightened allies such as England and France usually view themselves as the English race and the French race) America has always prided itself of being a melting pot, of being pluralistic and multiculturalism. And last night, millions of Americans weighed the opinions of two men and came away deciding that someone who doesn’t have the same color of skin or the same heritage is the better one to follow. Since this is Aintitcool, I will add that today Captain America can feel the country can finally the country has lived up to its promise.
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I should have said "the vast majority of BLACK people". Sorry about that typo.
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that the truly gifted aren't burdened with children.
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This is a huge talkback so I didn't have time to read and see if someone already said it, but I am completely for Obama and voted for him and look forward to his leadership and change. HOWEVER, I am also from the south where believe it or not folks racism still lives...and it only takes ONE crazy to end this whole party REAL quick! I mean secret service is better than ever with this stuff and I'm sure they'll be on guard more than ever, but if someone wants to kill the guy they can. They will get killed or captured for sure in the process...but they can accomplish it. And then it seems all this will be for naught and we'll have lame duck Joe Biden....I hope I am wrong....I really do. I have hope for America again. BUt, seriously isn't this the elephant in the room everyone is ignoring?
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I am too worried about my own. Damn, I have made to many enemies.
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Let the civil war begin . . .
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Then why should we be? He obviously was comfortable enough in his own convictions to campaign. Sometimes, you have to walk through a little fear in life. You can't be afraid of shadows every step of the way. The results of life happen, just as life itself does.
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the secret service is way too bad ass nowadays.
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....until now. So what's the big fuss about black ppl voting for a black man?
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Evolutionary psychologists have theorized that homosexuality might be a mating strategy. Many homosexuals, especially when they were forced to live in the closet, marry and mate earlier than heterosexual men, and while they don't have as many children as heterosexuals they do have them earlier. This means they will have grandchildren before most heterosexual’s children even started mating (two generations versus three generations). The funny thing is that if homosexuality is a genetic mating strategy, than the best way for homophobes to eliminate it would be to allow gays to marry each other instead of forcing them only the choice of marrying the opposite sex.
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Or Faux News or Fox Noose or Fox Nuisance, or whatever you want to call their slanted journalism, you'd be amazed if you were watching all the news channels back and forth from a quarter to midnight onward. When Obama was announced as the President Elect, I flipped it back and forth from FNN to CNN to MSNBC. Two out of three channels were highlighting what a historical moment this was, and how fortunate so many people were to be alive to see this happen, especially African Americans. They showed video of black men crying tears of triumph in the crowd. But one channel, you can guess which one, was only talking about what went wrong with McCain's campaign. I'm not even making this up. They were focusing solely on McCain and where he goes from here, whether Palin was to blame, etc. And once Obama's commencement speech began, they had moved on to who was winning the lowly senator election bids. I'm not even making this up. Two channels, smiles and high spirits, inspirational talking points. One channel, sour grapes and downtrodden eyes. Take a guess which was which. I got the feeling what they really wanted to say was something like 'Great, a mooncricket in the White House' but their thinly veiled 'fair and balanced' cover would have been blown. I don't know about you, but I want some humanity in my news. I'm willing to give Obama a chance. I'm skeptical of his promises, but at the very least believe he will work hard to see some measure of victory in his term.
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They can plunge each other's cowbells with the Gideon Bible.
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Hahaha. That's funny.
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..brought to you by the long memory of malificus. You're still a douche, just wanted to re-iterate it.
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"DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD (if that is his real name)"Bravo!
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Way to show everyone what makes you guys the best country in the world. The American dream lives! Quite a historic event, I kinda felt like the whole world matured a bit in a heart-beat after they announced the winner.
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What was great was how O'Reilly kept spinning what the reporter was telling him, kind of pooh-poohing everything. What a schmuck.
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The best way for homophobes to stop being homophobes is to actually befriend somebody who is gay. "The only evil is ignorance and the only good is knowledge" --Socrates But that's a lovely theory.
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I think maturing is a good word for it. Where'd you steal that from? hahaha
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I agree with you there. I was just bringing up my point to show how illogical and actually counter-productive homophobes stance is against gay marriages. Of course, the problem with your idea is that homophobes will never get rid of their ignorance.
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But over the course of this long and arduous campaign, Obama has repeatedly demonstrated the ability to inspire us to tap into the better angels of our nature -- to stir the American people to expect more of themselves than they otherwise would.
It's a theme Michelle Obama touched on many times on the campaign trail. "Barack Obama will require that you work," she said at a rally on the eve of Super Tuesday. "He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism; that you put down your divisions; that you come out of your isolation; that you move out of your comfort zones; that you push yourself to be better; and that you engage."
This call echoed something that historian and presidential biographer David McCullough had once said about JFK. "The great thing about Kennedy," he told me, "is that he didn't say I'm going to make it easier for you. He said it's going to be harder. And he wasn't pandering to the less noble side of human nature. He was calling on us to give our best." -
legislation requiring every straight American to spend a day with Clay Aiken.
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by your religion. Or your parents.
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Good point about Obama and his comparison to JFK. Obama will ask us to make sacrifices and he will tell us upfront that there will be hard times. That is where he is different from Bush and the majority of the current Republican Party. They have long labeled Democrats as advocating a nanny state (and in many cases, that is true) but Bush and the GOP have provided us a Sugardaddy state. They promise us that we can get everything: fight a war with little sacrifice, that everyone can own a home, that we never have to worry about the environment or global warming or oil, that we can get huge tax breaks and the government will get us in huge debt and never pay for it. But now they wrinkled old sugar-daddy has run out of money and his young little girl has found out what a fraud he his.
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The idea that any significant amount of people voted for Obama out of so-called "white guilt"- in this fucked up national and global climate - is just idiotic.
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Yeah it happens all the time. You learn to cope.
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It's a sad state of affairs that American citizens cannot see Barack Obama as merely a man; rather they see him as a symbol. The fact that people elected him based on race, despite his inexperience and lack of accomplishment bespeaks America's shallow pre-occupation with their tainted history. As Americans, they can never live past the history of America to just be a nation of individuals, and as such they will never see Obama as an individual, but as a black man first and foremost. But they relish in the racism, like cultists. As a symbol to tied to American history, Obama will be able to get away with whatever his heart desires, and you people will allow him to do so. Americans are sheep awaiting the slaughter.
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So you're saying...that young little girl is banging the nanny now?
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Guys like Psalmolive would've bugged me...two days ago. Now they end up sounding like the angry little dog chained up in the yard next door. Yap, yap, sob, yap. I'm so glad that headache's over.
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Anyone who still is should not be here (and anyone who uses god or religion as an excuse should endure further eduction).
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Obama will get away with whatever his heart desires? Have you read the unmitigated seething hatred of Obama on this talkback? He's being criticized on what he MAY do before he's even President.
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"He [Obama] could've been green and if the message was the same and it resonated the same way it did, then he still would've gotten the same support," he said."
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or two. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday called on President-elect Barack Obama to govern from the middle, as her party sat poised to gain its widest House majority in 15 years.
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is that it makes the generalization that all American citizens think the same way. If he could prove that he'd have a point, but he can't and won't so should think before posting nothing.
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It's a fact, is it? Did you know that asserting opinion as fact is a sure sign you are a moron? Cause it's a fact!
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But wait, if racism is dead, and it still elected Obama... dead racism voting = VOTER FRAUD!!! I think it's a sad state of affairs that YOU cannot see Obama as a man, only as a symbol... a symbol of FRAUDULENT ZOMBIFIED RACISM!!! The preceding has been brought to you by delta-9 tetrahydrocannibinol and probably made no actual sense. So I'll make you a deal, Psalmolive... I'll put down the pipe and make sense when you do the same.
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that over 100 million people ALL voted for Obama because they felt guilty over slavery!!! What a fact!
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It sounds very like the ignorant fucktards who spoiled McCains gracious concession speech with their kindergarden booing of Obama... only it's more hysterical, and whiny and pitifull.
Something about "cultists" and "lack of accomplishment" So it must be ranting about the complete catastrophe that was George W. Bush and the NeoCons no doubt.
I think I also heard "sheep". A clear reference to those who voted for Bush not once but TWICE.
And some deranged babbling about "slaughter" Which can only be about the sad (so very hilariously sad) fate of the Republicans last night.
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My generation is going to give homosexuals full rights as citizens. Suck our gay-loving cocks (and vaginas)
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Obama as president will increase the division between... well, that's where their argument falls apart doesn't it. Between who (or is it whom - I'm divided on that one)?
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Wow. That "Racism Elected Obama" post of yours isONEBIG PILEOFBULLSHIT.
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Since you don't seem to respond to logic...I will just keep trying. In Florida, I can attest to the fact that a large number of people had no fucking idea what Proposition 2 was about. I was standing in line, trying to get them to understand. They thought if they didn't amend the constitution, POLYGAMY would be allowed because the slogan was: One Man, One Woman. They didn't even know it would be revising the constitution to take away the possibility of civil unions and gay marriage (WHICH IS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS IN FLORIDA ANYWAY). As far as I'm concerned, you're homophobia will only last for another twenty-five years and then you will be outnumbered. So you best start to educate yourself. THERE IS NOTHING TO BE AFRAID OF!!
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You don't respond because you have nothing to say. Your post was indefensible.
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I enjoy the empty whining of the homophobes and racists now. They serve as delightful court jesters.
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Care to actually elucidate your opposition to gay marriage? Or are you afraid it will be exposed as illogical, bigoted, and motivated by ignorance?
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explanation of your position. "God hates fags". "We hate gays". "Civil rights suck."
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I'm sure black people solely voted for Obama based on his policy positions. If white people voted that strongly for McCain, I am sure that "movement" would be called something else. I am sure white people who propped up the black vote did so not be "part of history" and to exorcise the inheritance of a post-colonial guilt complex. You cannot honestly believe that if it were a white man with Obama's complete lack of accomplishment (and was a member of a racist church and had the associations he had), he would have made it through the primaries. To be FAIR, as I mentioned before, a three-legged dog could have defeated the Republicans this year. You only had to look at the news anchors and pundits blubbering in their tears to know that America became a far sadder place. A place where AN INDIVIDUAL (not a black man) cannot be judged based on his merits for the position, but only chosen for his genetic ancestry. You people do not see him as a man, who began backpedalling (aka "lying") in his victory speech about how he'll need two terms to accomplish what he promised during his campaign would be done with the first 100 days of his presidency. But you'll give him a pass. John McCain was a poor candidate as well, but at least he sacrificed himself for his country and knew the true meaning of "honor", something Obama could never hope to understand. Again, you all voted against Bush as a symbol, and rightfully so. But most people did not register a protest vote against McCain the individual as much as they registered a vote symbolically against the Republican party and Bush. People could not see McCain for the INDIVIDUAL he was, and his record of working across party lines. They were too caught up in the symbolism of Obama. Obama himself even said "t I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripe project their own views". Become a symbol and you become EVERYTHING to Americans. Well when it comes to the next four years- prepare to be at best, disappointed, and at worst, have your lives fall further into ruin.
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this is what everybody told me. These are people from all sorts of political ideology but who voted Republican because of social issues. They say things like "If gays get married, it invalidates my own marriage. It puts what I do with my wife and children on the same level as THEM." It comes out of hatred, fear and ignorance. Plain and simple. There is absolutely no justification for their beliefs outside of the bible.
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In all seriousness, anyone who is against gay marriage is loser. Get a life. Why. The. Fuck. Do. You. Care?
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The idea that any significant amount of people voted for Obama out of so-called "white guilt"- in this fucked up national and global climate - is just idiotic.That and your lack of paragraph breaks make it wholly unnecessary to read your recent wordy post.
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really think that Obama is some kind of Demon who wants to destroy America. I live in McCain's home state of AZ (where the results were much closer than I expected them to be) and read today's "opinion" section. one guy from Scottsdale (a very upscale ritzy neighborhood) said that Obama and the Dems taking over is like Oz comparing Obama to Oz, Pelosi to the wicked witch,Barbara Boxer the Scarecrow,and the far-left liberals as the munchkins,and how he says his money's in gold and he's soon taking it far far away. what a prick! good riddance you uppity jackass! must be nice to even have gold,when most of us are struggling to make ends meet. i dislike the far right upper class holier than thou jerks. its so easy for them to point fingers and judge others. it was scary at work(post office)today. everyone making racial jokes. all the anger on the faces of the Mccain voters(90% at my work) we all need to get along and help each other out. this country needs to go forward,not back to the dark ages! God help us all
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Continentalop, THAT was a great line....
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Yes I can honestly believe that if Obama was a white man (he is half white by the way) he would have been elected. I didn't respond to his race, I responded to him.
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You think?
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Is will you work with President Obama when he calls upon you for help to battle the larger issues facing all of us, Democrats and Republicans?
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He won't answer that question because it will make him look like a fucking idiot.
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Do you need a shovel?
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Nov 05, 2008 10:07:35 PM CST
Nope it still sounds like whining, just the same old talking poi
by g100
The desperate flailngs and negative campaign smears CLEARLY didn't work in the Election (I'm sorry to have to break this to you but the Republicans LOST. BIG TIME!) though be my guest keep parroting Republican Election talking points long after the result has been declared.
With your tenuous grip on reality you no doubt think there will be a do-over if you whine loudly enough.
And there's certainly no sign of sadness around here that's for sure. I think it's pretty fucking clear who the sad one is. -
Nov 05, 2008 10:10:00 PM CST
Obama won because he had a high midichlorian count!!!!!!!!
by thajackal
He will bring balance to the force! He is the chosen one!
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Symbols do matter. In Russia, Ilya Utekhin, an anthropologist at the European University in St. Petersburg, said Obama's election has given the United States "a historic chance for large-scale re-branding of the image of the United States."
"An African American president appears to have more sensitivity to the cross-cultural diversity of the world, and this is a promise of a more creative and flexible foreign policy," he said. That's exactly what we need right now. We have to repudiate the last 8 years. Americans do not believe in torture and unnecessary war. We do not believe in greed, we believe in hope and tolerance. We need to get that message out there. So yeah, even if Barack was just a symbol devoid of substance, his victory last night would be important. Lucky for us, he has a lot of character and sober judgment. -
Nov 05, 2008 10:13:12 PM CST
AFRICA IS A CONTINENT? AND IT HAS DIFFERENT COUNTRIES?
by bringingsexyback
Really? Whoa.
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There have been other Black presidential candidates. There was even another in this race. Carol Mosley Braun. Remember Jesse? Uh, apparently not. Remember Alan Keyes? Uh, apparently not. Remember Al Sharpton? Uh, apparently not. No, none of them made it to the general election, and that is the point. If the Black vote had only been interested in voting for one of their own - and not a candidate of any color who shared their values, don't you think another black candidate would have made it to the general election before Obama? I mean all those black votes could not be ignored. But none made it before Obama. Blacks actually voted for Mondale and Clinton. They chose Obama over Mosley Braun. And ignored Alan Keyes altogether. Lets see: Keyes is just to the right of Limbaugh, but he is black, but he got no black votes. Hmmm? Could it be that *gasp* blacks vote for who they like - just like most people, and not just their race? No. That makes no sense at all.
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happen to Obama. Blair was a young, vibrant, interesting Prime Minister who by the end of his time in office looked physically drained of everything the British public voted him in for. Hope Obama can keep the energy for years to come.
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http://tinyurl.com/3gzwxc (If you don't get the reference, go right now and watch The Wire seasons 1-5.) I thought this was a pretty interesting comparison to make, but I honestly don't think it's very apt. Obama inherits the financial crisis like Carcetti inherited the school deficit, but while Carcetti's ambition for higher office makes him compromise his principles and turn down the state money to bail out the schools, and I think Obama is the kind of guy who would "eat the bowl of shit" to actually follow through on trying to fix the problem. But it does make you think about what kind of hidden pitfalls await a president elected on a platform of "change" and "hope" when facing off against a large part of the entrenched political system itself.
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Amazing
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Can we all state the obvious already?
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If they had she probably would have been "too busy" to answer anyway.
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But have you guys seen the movie Cube? It's some fucked up shit
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The Wire, especially in its last three season, was simply the finest thing on TV. Carcetti was a great character. All Presidents have to compromise to some extent, the ones who can do so, without losing their core beliefs, are the successful ones. The ones who can not, are left in the dustbins of history
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What I want to know is, after it was shaved off, who did Harry's beard vote for?
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Shame on you BSB!
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But mainly it was because McCain came across as Bush 2.0
We got John Howard 2.0 with Kevin Rudd in Australia. It's what you do when there's nothing better. Looks like America thinks Obama is. -
It's Blair to Clinton goddamit! You limeys will get your Obama in 6-8 years.
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and no one makes a sound.
You know the scene I mean.
For indie sci-fi, excellent cinema. -
...from her house?!
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Currently, I'm enjoying Season 3 of THE WIRE. Really good stuff. Carcetti just boned that hot red-head and struck out with his old brunette friend at the bar. Not to worry though; looks like McNulty will be taxing that.
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The only problem I got with gay marriage is that the whole institution of marriage is between a man and a woman. It ain't between a man and a dolphin, or a man and a sheep. It ain't between a woman and a horse or a woman and a dog, no matter what barnyardbabes.com wants you to think.
And if homosexuals want to be together forever, there's nothing stopping them. The government isn't telling anyone they can't be together. They just won't recognize them as "married". What the hell is so wrong about that?
Marriage is an exclusive club. That's what you whiny-ass guys can't stand. You can't stand the thought of un-inclusiveness. But you know what? You guys are just as intolerant of people who don't agree with you as you think us intolerant folks are.
You think all religious believers are sociopaths or just batshit crazy. That's intolerant. But hey, that's for another thread.
As far as marriage licenses go, the government doesn't HAVE to grant a license to just anybody. Not everyone qualifies for a driver's license. Or a hunting license, for fuck's sake! A marriage license isn't much different.
Now me not agreeing with same-sex marriage doesn't mean I don't think homosexuals should have rights. Homosexual couples should be able to have the same basic rights that heterosexual couples can have.
But right now it's screwed up in the favor of homosexual couples. In a lot of places a guy and a girl who live together aren't able include each other on their health care benefits from their place of work. They'd have to be married. Whereas gay couples can get those benefits just because they're gay.
My mullet sure was poofy this morning. last night was a tough pill to swallow. I am saddened by the lack of judgment of the American people. Not that McCain was a good choice, either. But there was some seriously screwed up thinking going on to get some of these dumbasses re-elected and others voted in. Al Franken is seriously close to being a Minnesota senator? How's that even possible? It's like the voters just said, "Aw, to hell with this! Anybody can do this job! I might as well vote for some comedian since nobody really takes this shit seriously!"
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(politically and physically) than Blair. The comparison of young Blair bringing about change in British Labor (and politics in general) to Obama is apt in my opinion.
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The Wire is indeed outstanding
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"How did liberals manage to fool enough voters into electing a socialist who hates America like Barack Obama?" Well played, sir.
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It wasn't the only factor or even the biggest factor. But there is no way you can say blacks voted for him just for his policies. They were filled with hope that one of their own would be President. Not that there's anything wrong with that!
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Nov 05, 2008 10:37:17 PM CST
Why is the institution of marriage between a man & woman?
by amy chasing
And why can't it be changed?
Answers: By convention. And it can.
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Course the fact that Obama has said The Wire is his favourite TV show makes it all the more amusing.
Problem is Obama has THREE Big Bowls of shit. Iraq, Afghanistan and the wrecked Economy inherited from Bush.
I for one have already predicted that (ironically enough) his push for Education reform and improvement of schools will be one of the first things to get de-prioritized (put into deep freeze for a couple of years at least most likely) and depending on exactly how dire the Bush Recession is Obamas Healthcare plans might well take a hit too.
Sad fact is most of his first term wil be damage control from the Bush catastrophes BUT if he can pull the Economy round and delivers at least some of the change required he will no doubt be rewarded with another term.
Because unrealistically high expectations or not, he still only has to be an improvement on Bush to seem like a breath of fresh air and change.
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Oh, Foreskin's just upset because he couldn't marry his goat. The mullet was angry!
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Yo, not much. Getting ready to call it a night. And yes, THE WIRE is definitely one of the better shows. I'm glad I finally gave it a shot on DVD.
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So what if the "Definition of marriage" changes? What if it's modified, let's say. It's happened before, and more than once. So why does that bother you? How does itaffect anybody in any way, besides gays who want to get married?
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I see even less reason for the comparison now.
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re: "Not everyone qualifies for a driver's license. Or a hunting license,"
The difference is you can't kill someone with a marriage license. Or maybe you can. Have you tried?
re: "there is no way you can say blacks voted for him just for his policies."
There is no way you can say all "blacks" think alike and hence vote for the same reasons.
re: "You guys are just as intolerant of people who don't agree with you"
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Nov 05, 2008 10:46:13 PM CST
"You think all religious believers are sociopaths or just batshi
by thunderbolt ross
Good to know what I think
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I stayed up late last night. G100 you may be right, and it will take leadership to work with an empowered democrat controlled congress, and pissed of republican minority, sky high expectations, and iraq, afghanistan, the economy and whatever else that may be wrong that Bush may have hidden that will come out. And with that, goodnight.
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BTW - Nice response to Psalmolive regarding black Presidential candidates.
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Blair was the UK's Clinton AND Bush. And the US had its own of each. On to something new. This will be our second stab at this "change" shit in the last 20 years ... Also, those three were all of about the same generation. Obama's not.
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MNG, season 3 is probably my favorite, but the show only gets better in 4 and 5, if you can believe it. I'm jealous of anyone who's watching that for the first time. TKD, I agree that Obama's going to have to compromise to get anything done. I think he's started things off in a spirit of compromise already with that acceptance speech. And I think people know it's going to be tough to come together to pull the country out of this hole. But we're optimistic. And I guess it's just weird to reconcile that feeling of optimism with that kind of tragic cynicism of "A New Day" that we know never dawns in Simon's Baltimore.
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I've watched and read and listened to quite a few today and they all pussied out, even Hannity (relatively - "I think there is a certain cult aspect to his win last night" - do tell ...)
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Sorry you liberal wienies, but this guy is a racist socialist. His admin will be a disaster. He will try to push thru such radical programs that the Repubs will retake Congress like in '94. "GOD DAMN AMERICA!"? God damn you Mr. Obama!
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I never heard that, but I probably would have voted for him based solely on that fact! At least he knows about the bowls of shit, too.
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are always filled with the most hate? they always tell us what our founding fathers wanted. but they always seem to leave out separation of church and state. they also interpret freedom of religion to mean " you are free to believe in Jesus", but disagree with us and we'll show "God's vengence". I was raised Catholic and I seem to recall that Jesus taught people to open their hearts, not narrow their minds. 50 years ago, hate and fear was used to oppress blacks in this country, 150 years ago it was chains and whips. Most of the people doing the oppressing and whipping were doing it because it meant they were "good Christians". Gays make up 10% of the population. And those are just the admitted gays. Chances are pretty good you are friends with, or at sometime were friends with a gay person and you didn't even know it. And you know what? You didn't turn gay. You don't have aids. No one is trying to ass fuck you. grow the fuck up and get over your bullshit.
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Nov 05, 2008 11:05:40 PM CST
Gee, Repubican's calling Dem's socialists... that's as old as Bi
by irrelevntelefant
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AND that the most fascinating character was Omar !
here's the story > http://tinyurl.com/3xo3jm
The man has excellent fucking taste that's for sure.
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And Bush when Bush had power.
He cleaved to power whoever held it. That seemed to be the style of the man.
Indeed it was surely his strange blind faith in Bush and Iraq that brought him down surely ?
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It's hard to argue against someone who thinks they know what's best because they have a book they believe is the voice of a god.
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in the kidneys until they piss blood. You too, Ants and Friends. Anytime. pussy boys.
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that Obama has now. Clear similarity.
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because they know there is no God and that the bible is a piece of science fiction/fantasy. Though Satan could well exist, based on evidence called Rove, Cheney and the above mentioned Hannity, O'Reilly and Coulter. Evil. There is no question, no doubt.
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I voted third party. I know I threw my vote away. Just couldn't get excited about either canidate. But, now we have a new president and I'm willing to give him a chance. But, in talking with some Obama supporters in recent days I wonder just how high are their expectations are. I swear they think this man is going to wave a magic wand and make all the bad things go away. We are facing an economic crisis unlike anything most people alive (in this country) have ever witnessed. If we are, and it is possible, we're worse off two years from now will people still stand behind him? Will he repeal the Patriot Act and stop spying on our citizens? If he doesn't will you hold this man to it? He said he will go after the terrorists even into a nuclear armed Pakistan if need be. Will you stand by him if he broadens this war on terror? If by the end of his first term we still have a military presense in Iraq will you go along with it. He promises to change health care and implement other programs where there is no money for them. Will this be acceptable if he doesn't deliver? He says he'll only tax the rich and big bussiness. I have no love for them any more than you do. However, with the pumelling big business is taking from people not buying and a credit crisis with money drying up companies will cut jobs. If you find yourself in an unemployment line will this be acceptable? I don't envy the man with all he is facing. I just wonder what people's expectations are. I also wonder if my liberal friends out there will be willing to hold this man accountable by his deeds unlike some conservatives who turned a blind eye to the present administration. Will you be better or just blind followers?
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Because then we'll have to allow people to marry barn animals? There is no logic against gay marriage.
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Just finished the whole movie and the acting sucked ass and there is no way they could have gotten out of there but it had a lot of tension and the kills were very nice.
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Hopefully. I have no idea if Obama has met with Blair though, who I think was more successful than Clinton as a practitioner.
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Go to Appalachia and ask the same thing about why they voted for McCain. Same shit would happen. And I'm still waiting for an answer to my question.
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but if you're going to use sensationalist media stories as a basis for an argument you'd better have some way of giving them credibility or else you have none.
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I made a big mistake in ever leaving last night - I should have just sat here all night & day, snorting this TB like cheap crank.
The flustered sputtering and paranoid theorizing of the right-wingers; The fact that not 1 but at least 2 of you silly fuckers actually possessed the inane audacity to quote Ep. III, in all seriousness, and then act like it is somehow quite astute to have done so; The very notion, shrilly repeated, that we're all somehow worse off because of (as your straw bulldog Palin put it) "John's loss" -- it's all like tiny fingers of pure orgasm, tickling my little brain pan.
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I mean, episode III... seriously?
Perhaps they're trying to make us forget their posts the way we're trying to forget the prequels... Must be. Only way it makes sense. -
Though I am a staunch Republican, I know when to draw the line. I did all I could to stop that hateful prop, but it appears that I lost in all regards of this election...
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If you want to debate my typing ability, I won't put up much of a fight. I suck at typing when I'm in a hurry, and sadly there is no edit feature on this forum. It’s a dexterity issue, if anything. Still, that doesn't change the validity of my post, not that anyone bothered to read it. My chat-room spelling did derail the Obama love-fest for one post, at least. There is always that.
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So this is how liberty dies...
by Raymar Nov 5th, 2008
06:36:03 AM
With thunderous applause.
So this is how liberty dies...to thunderous applause.
by Wes_Reviews_ Nov 5th, 2008
07:17:11 AM
Chillingly prophetic words.
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"It's your imagination, kid. Come on. Let's keep a little optimism here."
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I just remembered that as an outgoing President, Bush will be getting a national library built and memorialized after him sometime next year...
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Dude - You need to grow that beard back. You don't need to let it go to Mountain Man or ZZ Top lengths, but seriously, you need that beard.
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...and I was kinda hoping his acceptance speech would be like Eddie Murphy's "n****r with a badge" speech from 48 Hours.
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with a thunderous groan. At episode 3. In the cinema. That's what we did.
Add To Friends: we're talking about how the definition of marriage is something that can be changed (ie. it's part of the law, and laws can be changed to reflect the pervading thoughts of the society they're for) and arguably should. We're not demanding anything but logical reasoning. -
...and you mother fuckers are stll at it. Kudos.
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Sorry this is a little late, but I noticed your reply to my comment. No, I didn't mean she ran off with the nanny, but that is a very hot thought so I am going to run with that one.
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Sorry Coughlin, But "Dubya" had already took that honor.Sore loser.
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Nov 06, 2008 2:09:06 AM CST
how about Affirmative Action President with Positive Results?
by amy chasing
that would tie in with the whole "change" label, eh?
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I was thinking someone used that title for Obama.
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let's see if we can crack 2000...
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Yeah, same goes for some whites not voting for him at all.Anyone that actually belives that an airhead like *Palin has a better chance at running the Country than Barrack is fucking naive or just can't accept the thought of a Black Man for Prez.
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They vote for one of the stupidest men to ever run for President, TWICE!!! When Bush has done absolutely nothing of worth for 8 years, but start 2 wars. Coming from a surplus, to a record deficit. From a booming economy, to a huge recession. Then these people treat Obama like the anti-christ and vote Republican AGAIN! Wake up, morons. 90% of republicans are getting used for their votes, but their leaders won't do a thing for them. Seriously, ask yourself what Bush did for you? He had his own agenda and didn't give a fuck about you. Even though you may hate him, Obama will do more for you in the years to come. But, again you idiots won't realize it and you'll vote Palin in 2012.
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You're correct. Both Coughlin and some other shitbag was refering to Obama as the first affirmative action president. (Get it? Cause he's Black.)However Bush won the election thanks to his Daddy's influence and not to mention how his brother Jeb (Governor of Florida) had something to do with the "Sunshine State" being the deciding factor during the election in 2000, in which Gore had lost to Bush. Georgie was highly unqualified for the candidacy as we all can see so that shoots down the theory of Barrack's "questionable" qualifications.I'm confident that he can do a much better job than the idiot in office now.
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Yesterday felt like a generic episode of the Twilight Zone as coworkers who normally say "Good Morning" or have conversations with their fellow colleagues, have become silent even to the point of snubbing others alltogether (Black coworkers in particular.)It was somewhat reminicent of the OJ Simpson verdict which is a shame since the majority of New Yorkers supported Bam. well, Fuck 'em.
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I can't validate in my mind the government FORCING a church to host gay marriages if that church doesn't want to. That's not right, as ignorant as they may be, and if so, maybe the gay people in question should find a less ignorant church. However, to BAN it outright, and to not give totally equal benefits and status (excepting the word "marriage", if they must have the word), is just plain fucking inhuman. That's not the way humanity is supposed to work, and if you think otherwise, you are a fool who demeans and trips us all.
Here's something familiar for those guys though: Hate the sin, not the sinner, right? I don't think religious people are all batshit crazy or sociopaths, I feel that you are misguided. I think organized religion is the biggest MAN-MADE evil this species has ever inflicted upon itself. Spirituality is a beautiful and inescapable part of human existence. But organized religion is a parasite and a cattle-machine. -
sorry Thunderbolt, but the analogy does hold up. Blair was voted in for 2 principal reasons- 1) we were fucking desperate to get rid of the Tory cocksuckers and 2)New Labour ran one of the slickest campaigns in history on the message of Change. Does this sound familiar yet? The wave of euphoria and optimism that swept the country in 1997 on his election was staggering. Obama's win in America feels very similar. Whether Obama will turn out to be B.Liar is what needs to be seen. He has the example of how not to do it, so should be easily able to avoid it. Blair fell for (again) 2 reasons- party machinations (which was a massive fuckup by Labour- no moderate in Britain is going to vote for Brown, but many would vote for Blair)and non-stop corruption. The fuckers just can't keep their hands out of the till.
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I'm a pretty skeptical person. It's healthy sometimes. But, I think what Obama has brought to America, is something we havn't experienced in a while, and that's hope. Right now, a majority of this country has hope. I can't remember the last time I saw a picture of two human beings of different color holding each other with tears of JOY running down their faces with the look that says "We can put aside our petty and superficial differences, and get through this as a united country". This is a moment that America needs right now. Granted, we'll all be watching very closely what decisions Obama and his staff make, but we have hope. So you can go ahead and say I'm getting all mushy, but god damn if it doesn't feel good right now. It's a feeling that seems to be all but forgotten lately, and it seems we're finally getting it back, even if it's just a touch.
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...I don't disagree that some blacks voted for him only over race but, I agree with you again, so what? I think it's pretty natural and should come as no surprise. People vote for a variety of reasons and it's not mine or your place to tell them they're "wrong." They voted and thus participated and that is what counts.However, I believe it also cost Obama a lot of white votes because he is black (OK, OK, half-n-half). Please don't respond with name calling or further trolling comments because I've had plenty of right-wingers in my office tell me that's the biggest reason they didn't vote for Obama.That's why I am so bustin' with pride about my country right now...enough people in the US are clearly above race anymore. Whoo hoo! It's been a long time since MLK's "I have a dream..." speech but now, now a person doesn't HAVE to be as lily white as me to aspire to the presidency. That barrier, perceived or otherwise, has been shattered.I'll give the right their time to mourn but the hate-speech and divisiveness should stop now. As the right has been so fond of saying about 2000 and 2004...you lost, get over it. Let's all get on with fixing things.I'm also for full legal rights and recognition to gay couples who want to commit to each other for life. Just don't call it marriage because (legalese here) that's for heteros. But, if a state wants to give them "marriage" rights, I'm not that strong about denying rights based on a semantic choice. Either way, it won't make a bit of difference to my marriage of 33 years.
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It might be qorth pointing out to our American cousins that our two parties - Conservative (Tory) and Labour (Labour) were basically opposed ideologically (supposedly), until B.Liar came in and turned Labour into New Labour, when effectively New Labour = Old Conservatives.
And you're right about the sleaze too - you can smell that stench all the way from Whitehall. And I'm in the Midlands! -
Hey, I'm not opposed to letting people marry animals. Hey, it happens here in the UK - just go out into any major city on a Saturday night ;D
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I'm as glad as anyone that finally America seems to be over the skin colour issue, but if it comes out in the wash that Obama actually WAS born in Kenya and not the US, then a non-American has been elected President, and Arnie is gonna be PISSED. Didn't he marry a Kennedy (marginally) because he wanted to be POTUS one day? And I think the Schwarzenegger could take down Obama in a fight...
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Can you believe that corrupt criminal cunt Mandelson is now a Lord?That's the sort of news that makes me want to shoot a puppy.
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if your post attacks the Spelling, Grammar, Reasoning Power, Precision of Expression or Vocabulary of other people, there's a delicious irony - which will not go unnoticed- if your post contains gross spelling errors.
You were being rather pompously judgmental about the supposed fecklessness of US voters - so I couldn't help but point out that you, yourself, had feet (or maybe fingers) of clay. -
I'm not surprised in the least. I'm guessing he had a spare million lying around, and Brown had a spare Lordship, so...
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Its really funny reading some of the hatespew above from the Repugnicon NeoLosers, calling Obama a disaster and what not. Oh really? You mean as bad as Bush -- aka THE WORST PRESIDENT IN OUR COUNTRY'S HISTORY? The man who singlehandedly DESTROYED his own party? Riiiiiiight. Yeah, good luck with that one.
Face it neocon nazi fucks, you're ENDED. All thats left of you is the extreme loony base, pushed back into the margins and the dank caves you emerged from. Its done, you lost, and you lost HUGE. Buh bye! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. No. Stick your head in the doorway and allow HISTORY ITSELF slam the door on your soft heads repeatedly before you are forgotten altogether. -
"marriage" being one of those semantically loaded words which is dripping with cultural significance.
In many countries, long-term same sex couples face major discrimination under laws designed for hetero couples.
Not just "symbolic" discrimination but exclusion from property rights (like presumed joint ownership/survivorship) pension rights and rights of succession under wills.
This sort of problem crops up when one of the partners dies, and the survivor finds he/she has far less rights than a widow/widower under law.
Most modern democracies are attempting to eliminate the unfairness, but they run into brick walls of prejudice from social conservatives and fundamentalists who think that this is "weakening" the institution of marriage.
What they really fear is that removing legal disincentives/discrimination will encourage sexual conduct they frown upon.
I think the UK got it right with the concept of "Civil Unions". The couple obtain essentially the same legal rights as people in conventional marriages.
Gay couples who want to describe themselves as "married" and who want to create ceremonies like weddings are free to do so, but the State does not call them "married".
Like you, I don't think the history and etymology of the word "marriage" can be used as a justification for denying rights to same-sex couples.
On the other hand, it is a substantial extension of the meaning of the word "marriage" to apply it to same-sex couples - that's simply a matter of language history and contemporary usage.
And frankly, it's much easier to eliminate discrimination in this area, if the State avoids stirring up the crazies and simply uses the expression "Civil Union" instead of the word "marriage".
It's a small price for same-sex couples to pay for the removal of discriminatory legal rules.
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All these sites spouting that Obama is the Antichrist, quoting from a book in the Bible that is actually A VISION GIVEN BY AN ANGEL (or possibly cheese), using the vaguest terms ever (Nostradamus excepted) and transplanting what is supposedly a prophecy about the Apocalypse happening in the Middle East, to happening in the USA.
OBAMA IS NOT THE ANTICHRIST! HE'S A VERY NAUGHTY BOY! ("Yes! We're all individuals! We're all different!" "I'm not.")
Python aside, guys, let's stop looking to God to solve our problems or to the Devil as a scapegoat for all the evil we perpetrate. Obama isn't the Antichrist. Let's sort this planet out ourselves, and leave all the cosmic stuff to The Man Upstairs. And shake some sense into these Revelations-obssessed Christian fundamentalists - who, though they put the FUN and MENTAL into FUNDAMENTAL, are actually doing my chosen religion a great deal of harm. -
BARACK + HUSSEIN + OBAMA
6 letters + 7 letters + 5 letters = 18 letters
18 = 6x6x6
THREE SIXES!!!
I'm packing and leaving for the hills RIGHT FUCKING NOW, with Iron Maiden's "Run To The Hills" ringing in my ears. HE'S HERE! IT'S THE END OF TH£E FUCKING WORLD! AND IT'S NOT SAM NEILL!!! AAAAAGGGHHHH!!!
That's the last time I eat cheese as watch OMEN III: THE FINAL CONFLICT before going to bed again. Bloody conspiracy sites, got me all rattled... -
BARACK + HUSSEIN + OBAMA
6 letters + 7 letters + 5 letters = 18 letters
18 = 6x6x6
THREE SIXES!!!
I'm packing and leaving for the hills RIGHT FUCKING NOW, with Iron Maiden's "Run To The Hills" ringing in my ears. HE'S HERE! IT'S THE END OF TH£E FUCKING WORLD! AND IT'S NOT SAM NEILL!!! AAAAAGGGHHHH!!!
That's the last time I eat cheese and watch OMEN III: THE FINAL CONFLICT before going to bed again. Bloody conspiracy sites, got me all rattled... -
...you damn dirty double-posts.
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3 things I'd love him to get to the bottom of, but he probably won't (these peace-loving Presidents never get any disclosure):
(3) Yetis / Bigfoot / Skunk Apes. And are there brontonsauruses and/or giant spiders in the Amazong / Congo?
(2) UFOs. Cough up those dead aliens, you alphabet organisation bastards. And their spaceships, too.
(1) What REALLY happened on 9/11. That's serious - I don't buy "Oh, NORAD's radar dish was facing the wrong way" (so buy another, dumbass), or "it was burning fuel that brought the buildings down" (And the 3rd building? Why at freefall speed?) or "it was a plane that hit the Pentagon" (fine, so cough up all the pictures - how is an exploding airliner of such National Security significance that it can't be shown? How many CCTV tapes got confiscated about that)?
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The Steve Malzberg show referenced something a Fox news analyst said that McCain threw the election on purpose because of the historical nature of Obama being elected.I love this radio station, it's so fucked up.
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Nov 06, 2008 7:08:39 AM CST
JPT,There's a part of me that actually considered that possibili
by half-baked-goggle-box-do-gooder
Except that Rove threw it, to ensure the Dems taking the blame for not cleaning up the mess his party created.
But I figgered that was giving that bastard too much credit. He's as evil as they come, but he's NOT as smart as his clients think he is. He's just willing to be more ruthless, is all...Rove's particular brand of ruthlessness is a dire shortage of humanity, not a surplus of brains....
I personally have absolutely no timetable for Obama's efforts to straighten things out. Shit, I'll be happy if he isn't assassinated in his first year. I wouldn't set a timetable for fucking GOD to sort out the coast-to-coast sewer backup that the Republicans have made of this country in the last eight years. I'm happy enough right now that the majority of Americans just had enough goddamn grey matter to not repeat the same mistake three times in a row. There may be hope for us yet.
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Obama will have to slap around Pelosi, simple as that. And I don't know about some of the Democrats elected in the Senate, but according to CNN they are mostly moderate, which if true, is a good thing.It's going to get financially worse before it gets better, so I'm not expected miracles.
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Bless you Harry for voting for Obama. Now get out there and have your bigot, red neck, racist, ass-backwards state vote for someone other than white people!!!!!
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I seriously, seriously doubt and disagree that Blair or anyone in recent memory came into power with the same energy as Obama. There's a reason this is considered a historic moment ... Not to mention the US already had its "fresh new face" / cultural/generational turnover moment with Clinton. This is a horse of a very, very different color.Maybe I'm missing something though; maybe Blair had some component that made it comparable to a black man taking the highest executive office in a land that maybe five generations ago was engaged in the business of enslaving black men. Hard to imagine from where I'm sitting, though.
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I didn't realize you'd responded also. Anyway my point is obviously there are some parallels but the US already went through that basic dynamic with the election of Clinton. He ran a complete and total change campaign too. It's not an uncommon political dynamic anyway - "kick the bums out". So Blair and Clinton are closer in age; they were the first stab at a more modern look ... here against the stodgy Reagan and Bush and there against the stodgy Thatcher then Major. And they both went more or less rotten, Clinton in a rather shabby way, Blair in a ... I don't know - what do you call it when you voluntarily team up with a dolt like Bush?
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People who are referencing this Star Wars quote risk creating some kind of black hole of ridiculousness by applying specious nerd wisdom to a crybaby/drama queen/paranoia vortex. It's an impressively pathetic thing, really.
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don't forget it was that lying turd that "sexed up" the dossier on WMD's in Iraq. I hope the sack of shit burns in hell. Anyhoo- I didn't mean as historic (it isn't) I just meant that there is a similar feeling to the one we had in the 90's.
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and reprint it in 4 years, when all of you are whining about how high your taxes are, how horrible the job market is, how you have to wait 5 weeks just for a doctor's appointment, and how things have basically gone to shit.
Once Obama, Pelosi, and Reid get to work, there will be no United States of America, just the Union Socialist State of America.
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Nov 06, 2008 8:45:04 AM CST
Obama, Pelosi, and Reid... the Holy Trinity of Socialists.
by w3bzpinn3r
This country is screwed. I'd talk longer, but I have to go get fitted for my cossacks coat and hat.
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Make that two posts now. =)
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referring to has a higher standard of living than America, better health and education systems and isn't actualy cripplingly taxed. Twat.
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... about socialism, like its a god-damned plague? Don't you morons know that socialism got your stupid asses out of the great depression some 80 years ago? You guys are so brainwashed by the anti commie propaganda that was thrown at you for decades. Learn to think for yourselves and don't believe everything your uncle Sam says. Socialism =/= Communism
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Happy day for socialism! Sad day for America and democracy!
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douchey sore losers? Bye.
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Reset.This..."Europe" you refer to...it sounds like hell on Earth. USA! USA! USA!Don't you know that we have been the model country the past eight years? Try and not be a commie.
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Nov 06, 2008 9:31:45 AM CST
PALIN COST MCCAIN THE ELECTION!! WAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
by dannyglovers_dickblood
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. SHUT THE FUCK UP. Bullshit. I guaranfuckingtee he would have done almost exactly the same with any other running mate. Maybe even worse in the base states. Hardcore right-winger idealouges don't like them much of Mitt Romeny. The Christians still consider Mormons to be part of a "Cult," and he is Mr. Gay Friendly, remember that. I think Palin actually got McCain some votes. It would have been worse with Romney. So dream on fuckers.
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Try a third time.
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Have you tried eating an apple? I heard that keeps the doctor away.Thank the lord the job market is in excellent shape right now too, right?
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....they all sort of stink.
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fucking Mormon cunts.
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Commies.
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If you believe it is, you are either living in 1950's America or are stupid to an almost impossible degree.
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No shit. But I really think the majority of the country is just not ready to open their eyes on that issue.I'm happy to say that Connecticut voted down the re-writing of the state constitution, which was going to mainly be used to reverse gay marriage.
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Oh it was marvelous darlings. Muuuhahahahahahahahahaha. He looked like he was gonna fucking cry half the time, and had to have Karl Rove sitting next to him holding his hand. And then he acts like he's gonna get all positive suddenly and says, "Ok....listen-- I want a President Obama to succeed, I really do BUUUUUUUUT the thing that scares me is how well do we really know this guy? I mean lets look at his radical associations...." and then he proceeds to spew hatred and fear for another ten minutes. Hahahahahahahaha. The highlight of the episode was when he broke down about Bush. He cried, "President Bush was personally attacked and vilified from day one. The attacks were disgusting and unwarranted." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. But the best clip last night was on Olberman when he played the montage of election night coverage. There was a shit on Fox News where Karl Rove is standing by the map saying "Its getting really tight. Now John McCain needs to win Ohio-- if he doesn't win Ohio that means--" and suddenly OBAMA PROJECTED WINNER OF OHIO appears on the map in front of his pudgy face. He stares at it for a second with "Deer in the headlights" gaze and literally says..."Uhhhhhhhhhhhh..........." Funniest shit ever.
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spewed out of that little fucker's mouth.
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Is local news in LA is saying blacks played a large role in the YES vote. They are almost unanimously against gay marriage as a demographic. And the fact that they had the highest black voter turnout EVER in California put the nail in the coffin. That just pisses me the FUCK OFF. I'm gonna get a little racist here for a second....but when its all about them, changing history for THEM......then they want the whole fucking world to support them in their cause and make history electing the first black President. They are constantly complaining about equal rights as well all know, and calling RACISM every chance they get. Thats fine. I don't have a problem with it. BUT FUCK YOU for not having the decency to stand up for the EQUAL RIGHTS of another group you dumb fucks. Prop 8 is not about gay marriage, it is about EQUALITY. Blacks want equality for themselves but give the finger to any other group still straggling behind. Real fucking cool.
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I need to see that video.
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In my considered, fairly experienced opinion....Bible thumpers are so filled with hate because they're raised that way. They worship an angry god of Death, Vengeance and Terror because they're too shitscared to risk "His" wrath by looking outside that particular faith.
That personal fear translates into hate for those that they see walking around relatively happy and not hung up on the same self-defeating bullshit that the Fundies allow to dominate their every waking thought.
I've spent far too much time around those assholes, and that's really pretty much it - "WE live in mortal terror of breaking some random, arbitrary "divine" law - why shouldn't YOU? IT'S NOT FAIR!!! SMITE THEM, JESUS!!!....Can I go to heaven now?"
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I'm not so sure about that, but homophobia is rampant in the Black community. I'm thinking it had probably more to do with hard-core Catholic hispanics than anything. But I could be wrong. Those ballot initiatives are always deliberately confusing too. People may have voted Yes thinking they meant no.
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This debate about Obama and socialism is fucking idiotic. He hasn't said anything to indicate he's a socialist. Spreading the wealth does not mean socialism, it means our fucking tax system you jackasses. That's what you call it when those with more money pay more taxes so those with less can pay less. It's been like this for a long time; it's nothing to do with Barack Obama.I swear, the idea that Obama using the phrase "spread the wealth" when referring to tax brackets to a plumber in suburbia is enough to paralyze some people with fear is pathetic. You guys need to get a grip - it's like you're mentally ill, seriously.
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...if blacks really thought it through away from their stupid fucking Church telling them its wrong, they would realize-- holy shit the government telling two men or women their love does not fit the parameters of marriage isn't much different than the government telling a black man and a black women they don't fit the parameters. Its the same fucking thing....treating people UNEQUAL. It is wrong in any form. Why the fuck wouldn't they think?
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....by gay clergy urging voters to vote NO. I don't think Latinos in Cali really gave a shit about it. The exit polls of blacks that voted YES are staggering. They've been saying the Mormons really didn't even affect much, they just pumped up their own who would have probably gone their way anyway.
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Truly pathetic.
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I feel about Prop 8 passing the same way I felt the presidential elections of 2000 and 2004 - disbelief, sadness and a helpless anger.
My husband and I volunteered in the 2000 and 2004 election – this year we donated as much money to Obama as we could because sadly, that is what it really takes to win. Yes the voters voted as they did but the prop 8 proponents were very well funded by the Mormons, Knights of Columbus and other “moral” groups and that is what gave them the power to convince people to vote as they did.
It took 150 years after the civil war for us to elect a black president. The fight for gay rights has only been going on for about 50 so all that can be done is too dust off and keep fighting and get it back on the ticket in 2 or 4 years.
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We are both Obamaniacs so it's been political bliss ... until we started talking about Prop 8 this morning. Holy shit I had no idea she was so passionate about gay marraige.
My stand is - I think marraige should be a label/status reserved for a man and woman. Not for religious reasons, but cultural and traditional reasons. Just like I think marraige is specific to one man/one woman, and not polygamy. I believe gays and lesbos should pursue the rights they need and are entitled to under the banner of civil union status.
But my wife went fucking postal on me this morning because she's outraged that Cali would ban gay marraige. I think she's secretly a homo.
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Nov 06, 2008 10:08:17 AM CST
Now they are spinning that McCain threw the election...
by irrelevntelefant
yeah... sure...
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Unfortunately that seems to happen whenever one minority group gets a little bit of power over the others. We Europeans came over to the New World with our new-fangled weapons, wiped out the Native Americans, then told everyone "all men are created equal." Well, apart from the poor fuckers we just killed or enslaved.
The high-turnout-of-black-voters-against-gay-marriages is, indeed, a very sad indictment of the fuck-you-Jack-it's-me-and-mine-first mentality that Western capitalism seems to breed. How does a minority, celebrating the most major change and victory for the civil rights movement then go and tell ANOTHER minority that they can't enjoy similar freedoms? That's quite a sad indictment, people. If you want the world to get behind Obama and suddenly become colour-blind about it, maybe a great way to start would be to get this law repealed and get behind gay couples who want to marry. And fuck what religion says - I may be a Christian myself, but even I understand that most of it is either a history lesson or a bedtime story, and if it didn't come out of Jesus' mouth in the four gospels, it probably ain't worth listening to.
Damn. I kind of feel the same way about the Israeli / Jewish persecution of the Palestinians. You're part of a religious group that is almost genocided to extinction, you then get given your own country in 1948 as a half-assed attempt to appease you, and what do you do? Go out and attempt to genocide the same people whose land you are now illegally sitting on! Fucking hypocrisy of the highest order.
Well, until today at least. And don't get me started on the death of free speech in Europe...
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that telling homosexuals they cannot marry is the same as telling blacks they cannot marry. Unfortunately more people then not think being gay is a choice - and people really need to understand it is not.
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Well, is it really cultural if the gay couples who want "marriage" (or a civil union, take your pick) just want the same legal equalities tax-wise etc as straight married couples?
It's not as if it affects me and my straight, not-married-but-engaged-for-fucking-ever life here in the Yoo-Kay, so I'm all for it. As a cultural thing... nah, I think it's more about legal equality than cultural.
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They're actually saying that? And people believe it?
Nah - look at John Kerry back in 2004. Now THAT'S how you throw an election! Fucking straw men - set 'em up, knock 'em down. Wonder how handsomely paid off Mr K and his suddenly-wealthy family are these days... -
Good points...
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That's the thing - I support gays and lezzies enjoying the same legal rights as married couples. Basically - treat them with the *status* of a married couple but just without the *label* of marraige. Put in a check box on the 1040 - Single/Married/Civilly United. Wouldn't that be a worthwhile compromise?
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I wish that the north lost the civil war and we were two countries – one where all the racist, greedy, warmonging, “moral” small minded ASSHOLES could make the rules that made them happy and one where intelligent, peaceful tolerant people could make theirs.
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IMHO. Would out culture really suffer if gay couple could say they were married? That's bull.
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I think the problem is - you ARE both of those countries, but unfortunately have to live in the same area, on the same streets. It's the same reason why the Troubles have been so intractable in Northern and South Ireland, and why it's an ongoing problem rather than a solveable one. How do you divide a country geographically when both sets of people you are trying to separate have equal right to be there?
This is why talking movies is so much more fun than talking politics. Because it's EASIER. Though it's nice to see the level of furious intellectual intercourse going on in this TB. I may have to take a copy of it on my PC... -
Why are you so worried over labels?Let me ask you this: how does this impact you whether a gay couple gets married or not?
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I think - and please correct me harshly with a leather paddle if I'm outaline, BSB - BSB is indicating that it would be a good compromise to give gay people the legal equality a straight married couple has, while keeping back the tiniest thing for the homophobes and anti-gays (of which there seem to be an awful lot) to cling onto, thereby allowing the law to be passed but still letting the bigots think they've won.
I do actually agree with you, Hobocode, it'd be nice to have full equality marriage-wise - but is America ready for that yet? Slowly slowly catchee gay marriagee... -
Nov 06, 2008 10:29:07 AM CST
marriage defined as between a man and a woman....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
I will never understand this argument. If you hate gays and think they shall burn in hell for their mortal sins......fine, whatever. I don't agree with you, but I understand you have hatred toward others and serious fucking issues. But if you're cool with gays but still oppose they wed simply because you want to "Preserve Traditional Marriage," what the fuck does that even mean? What the fuck is traditional? By definition its just a passing down of actions or beliefs. So it used to be tradition to make blacks sit at the back of the bus and drink out of different fountains. Traditions aren't always a good thing, and they are constantly evolving. This SAVE TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE bit is such a fucking sham. Save it from what? The werewolves that will appear all over the country when gays start to wed? I just don't get it. Treating two human beings different than others is just not in my nature. And fuck this give them the same rights but not let them wed bullshit. Do you not understand-- that is treating them differently? That is not fair. Just because they have the rights-- they are still NOT MARRIED. Who the fuck are you or the government to tell people they will be treated different than other humans beings, and should just shut up and accept it. I can't fucking believe this shit is going on in our country....right now. Its amazing to me. We amend the constitution to condone HATRED. Fucking disgusting. Anyone who votes YES on this shit should be fucking ashamed of themselves.
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hey, i would have nooooo problem moving! :D
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It's not like you have to wear an armband or something. It's a checkbox on a form. Isn't that a miniscule price to pay to enjoy the rights you so want and deserve?
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If BSB's wife is as gay as he says she is, it may impact him quite a lot!
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Nov 06, 2008 10:33:02 AM CST
It has long been known that most church going Blacks are conserv
by toadkillerdog
It is one reason why the Republicans - outside of this election, have been trying to target church going black families and entice them away from the dems. Has not worked too well, but the very fact that they are trying speaks to some closely held beliefs in Black culture that the repubs are trying to exploit. So, it is zero surprise that Blacks came out against gay marriage. Afterall, the Black presidential candidate was opposed to gay marriage as well. I daresay, most hispanics where opposed, and throw in fundamentalists, and christian conservatives, and people like BSB who simply feel marriage should be between a man and a woman, and it is no wonder it went down. Change, takes time. Blacks did not cause the defeat of gay marriage, but the suporters of gay marriage needed to do more to convince blacks and latinos other than relying on the 'we are all minorities' argument.
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I think BSB is trying to take the middle ground. I think DGDB is defending everyone's ground, and I am trying to tiptoe round all this whilst keeping my traditionally English sense of humour (sarcasm, some blokey punches on the arm, lots of beer involved) and retaining my right to complain about gay agendas on Dr Who. Though as David Tennant is leaving, it's somewhat of a moot point. Oh, look over there, the Zygons are coming back!
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Yes, from that perspective, it would be VERY cool if the wife had hot 'friends'. Hmmm...I think I have to shut my door now and think about possibilities for my own wife....
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Nov 06, 2008 10:34:22 AM CST
BSB.....your stance on this is the problem.....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....the same people urging others to open up and throw out all prejudice and fear tactics to support Obama-- are not supporting fair treatment of the gays. They are not asking for anything special-- all they want is to be treated the same. The exact thing the blacks fought for in the 60s. The same thing the women fought for with their Suffrage. This is absolutely no different. It is a group saying "Hey....we're human. Just treat us the same." I don't see how anyone with a heart can oppose this.
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I'm just saying that attaching different labels to the same thing is stigmatizing. It's validating to bigots who think they are deserve special rights.
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They need to refine the message in California. This is not a Gay-Rights issue....this is a Civil Rights issue. It was close though. 48-- 52. So it shows, it can happen. They will continue to hammer away at it, the older generations will die off. The new generations growing up in a culture populated by gays will be far more accepting. it will happen.
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might mean to gays. Why the need to still 'differentiate' them from straight couples with different terms (civil union vs. gays)?
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I'm looking at the issue from a compromise position. I have no vested interest in it - if states allow gay marraige, it's really fine with me. I don't support Prop 8 nor do I oppose it. If I were Californian, I'd be inclined to have voted No. That's where I lean.
However ...
I hate culture wars. I think they are a waste of time, energy and effort from both sides. They serve mostly to divide the country. Who put up Prop 8? For what reason?
So my thinking is - how do you diffuse it? How do you avoid a culture war and get people to focus on more pressing issues like education, healthcare, war, the environment and the economy? I'm talking about compromise.
So that is why I'm breaking down the issue to the basics - the rights that gays and lesbos want and *deserve*. I support them receiving it, but I think the compromise position is that the rights are guaranteed under the civil union status, not necessarily marraige. Is it really that big a distinction?
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Nov 06, 2008 10:41:49 AM CST
Not to mention 'Traditonal Marriage' is BS in the US
by blindambition238
With our 50% divorce rates, its not like us straight folks are really upholding the 'sanctity' of marriage in such high regard either. At least the gays, having fought for it for so long, may appreciate it more than we do and uphold its values more closely to their hearts.
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Its a HUGE distinction. Its telling them they are not EQUAL. Just keep going back to Civil Rights of the 60s. Its like telling blacks, "Is the back of the bus really that big of a distinction? You're on the same bus after all. So who cares?"
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And ensuring equal status is never a waste of time or energy. If it's not a big distinction in your mind, why even have one?
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Nov 06, 2008 10:51:52 AM CST
i've ridden the bus in L.A., you want to sit in the back
by irrelevntelefant
away from the driver- they are fucking crazy and they talk some crazy shit while they drive.
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How lucky you are to be a (i am assuming) white heterosexual male living in America who can afford to be so apathetic about social injustice – guess it doesn’t directly affect you so it doesn’t really matter, huh?
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But the problem is that in some ways, gays are NOT equal. Like for instance the fact that gay sex does not create children. A bigot could run with that and say it's God's way of telling them they're sinners, blah blah blah - I lean toward the idea that homosexuality is really a natural phenomenon that happens in overpopulated areas, and is in fact a good thing, as gay couples will not naturally procreate and thus add to the population problem.
Now you can argue rights and responsibilities til the cows come home, but in the end, gay sex cannot produce children naturally. So they aren't equal in that way. In the way that, despite being equal in every way, black people and white people will ALWAYS have differences in skin colour. It's the way it is.
Regarding rights - yes, everybody should be equal. And I think doing what BSB suggests with Prop 8 would appease the bigots enough to get the law FULLY puled through that much sooner, allowing for gay union to legally be called "marriage". But in certain ways, people wouldn't be in these different categories if they WEREN'T different, would they? -
Public transport here is like the city's version of mental asylums on wheels. There's always at least one bagguy and one mumbler.
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Nov 06, 2008 10:56:05 AM CST
Every seat in the L.A. buses is like that irrelevntelefant
by blindambition238
Public transport here is like the city's version of mental asylums on wheels. There's always at least one bagguy and one mumbler.
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Those dumb motherfuckers that really believe being gay is a "CHOICE." Yeah sure....I'm sure many would make the "CHOICE" to be persecuted, hated, and treated less than equal. Everyone would just line up and say, "My family has already disowned me!! I'm gonna try and get married so the state can amend the constitution and tell me my marriage is about as valuable as a dog license!!"
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Like I said - I'm looking at a compromise position, and I'm sticking to that. Maybe you have a point about equality. You may be right; I'm not saying you're wrong - just read my entire post. I just don't view gay marraige as having the same level of urgency as the other pressing issues of our time. If gays were being outright discriminated against in any way, shape or form, I would firmly oppose that. Perhaps a ban on gay marraige is discrimination. That's something I would have to think about.
But instead of the Civil Rights movement, look at the Abortion issue instead. I look at the stance of Frank Schaeffer - who along with his father, FOUNDED the pro-life movement. Even he has looked back at the struggle and said it is futile to keep fighting it from the way it's been fought. Rather, he supports measures that prevent unwanted pregnancies - which will, hopefully mitigate the abortion issue to the subdued satisfaction of both sides. That sort of compromise, to me, makes sense.
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That has nothing to do with it. A heterosexual male who is paralyzed from the waist down cannot have children, but wants to marry. Should he be allowed to marry since he can't procreate and is not "equal" to "regular" folk? Sorry, you've got to have a civil union now chap. Fuck that.
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" I lean toward the idea that homosexuality is really a natural phenomenon that happens in overpopulated areas"
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same thing as another group IS discrimination. Fuck me.
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Nov 06, 2008 11:01:08 AM CST
DGDB- Limbaugh once said Obama made the choice to be black
by irrelevntelefant
His reasoning was that since Barrack is half white and raised by white grandparents, that he had the opportunity to chose how he wanted to be perceived- as a white or as a black- and that he CHOSE to be black!
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...but to a gay couple it's actually important. I don't think any of us who are hetero can understand that. Danny brings up a good point. Think of what it meant for women finally getting the vote or the black community no longer having to use segregated washrooms. These were all obstacles to them that us idiot white a-holes take for granted and could never understand.So while "marriage" is just a label to us, to a gay couple it's a barrier.Personally, if you want to give them 100% of the same rights as a married couple but slap a different label on it, I can sort of live with that as you're finally acknowledging them as equals, but in the end will society collapse if we call it a marriage?I'm thinking the sun will still rise tomorrow, your wife will still give you Valentine's and birthday sex and Israel and Palestine will still hate one another.
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Okay so if we're constituting a couple that deserves EQUAL right as being one that bears children-- than everyone man and woman filing for a marriage license should be required to get a medical examination proving they are both capable of having children. If not-- no wedding license. They are an invalid couple because they can't reproduce. So they should be considered less than equal, like the gays.
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Didn't you know that people become sporadically gay when taking a packed NY subway?
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I used to be very Progressive, and in many ways remain so. Like I said, I would stand firmly against any discrimination or outright bigotry against gays. I think it's unfair to judge me as being apathetic to social injustice when all I'm doing is advocating a compromise position. Jesus Christ, woman.
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Nov 06, 2008 11:04:34 AM CST
I always get free drinks when I go to West Hollywood....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
.....hhhhhhmmmm.
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....a pill popping slob. Not that I blame him. His life is probably fun as hell. Lobster, steak, hookers, meds, all the blow your nose can handle......awesome life. He's like the fat, white Jay-Z.
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We can be tolerant of what folks do in their bedrooms, but it isn't equivalent to the color of their skin. I may like to jack-off to 70s porn, but I'm not fighting for special status because of it. What's next? Rights for pedophiles, bestiality, etc.? We need to leave it alone.
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I didn't know but now that I do believe me, I'll be taking a cab!
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A meal that consists of two steaks, two baked potatoes, a whole pineapple, a full carton of pistachio ice cream, and a bottle of scotch. Allegedly this is Orson's regular meal while shooting Citizen Kane.
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or men, if you prefer. That's your right.
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Fuck off you dumb shit. Gay marriage is equivalent to bestiality?
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Nov 06, 2008 11:16:14 AM CST
Gutter- Pedophiles can get married, as long as they are straight
by irrelevntelefant
which statistics show the majority are...
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I never said it was equal to bestiality...I just said it is NOT a civil rights issue (i.e. race). We can be tolerant of a person's sexual behavior, but do we really want legislation based on it? That will open doors for other types of sexual lifestyles (such as bestiality) to want equal rights as well. Thats all I'm saying...but, i'm arguing with a screen name 'dannyglovers_dickblood' so I'm not expecting a rational discussion. Especially after your 8th grade insult.
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All women secretly want to make it with another chick. Offer to help her out there.
And you can shoot some video, to help you change minds about prop 8.
I tend to be bewildered by the passion on both sides of the issue. Saying gay people can't legally get married is sort of like saying gay people can't hit themselves with a hammer. If they really want to find a way to hit themselves with a hammer, and enjoy the many benefits of hitting themselves with a hammer, they will be able to.
At the same time, if gay people get the right to get married, does it really affect any of our abilities to hit ourselves with hammers?
I tend to think folks on both sides need to take a chill pill. When folks start fantasizing they are living through Nazi style oppression because their too short to ride that big ass rollercoaster that makes everybody who rides it barf, perspective has been lost. That's all I'm saying.
And gay people do have the right to get married, just like anybody else. They just have to marry a member of the opposite sex. Ba-dum-dum! -
I can appreciate you at least advocating a compromise but sorry, you then cannot say you would stand against discrimination in the same breath...?
As DGDB has already wisely illustrated here – if you were black and told you could sit in the back of the bus – would you be happy to just be on the bus or would you resent that couldn’t pick any seat you wanted because you were not “good enough”.
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about sexuality. No, it's about a couple, male-female, male-male, female-female dedicated to each other beyond sexual acts. It's about a partnership, a social and economic union. Any ranting about bestiality, s&M rights, etc is a red herring here and plain stupid to bring up.
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Nov 06, 2008 11:21:51 AM CST
Gutter- we tried to keep the insults at the 10th grade level...
by irrelevntelefant
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Nov 06, 2008 11:23:13 AM CST
GunterMonkey -- here's my 9th grade insult....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
FUCK OFF AND DIE A PAINFUL DEATH.Thats exactly what its going to do....open up marriage to fucking turtles. Its not a choice you dumb shit. But I'm not gonna argue with your ignorant fucking hillbilly ass. If someone of your intellect is allowed equal rights, and not living life in small cage-- then this country can stomach giving EQUAL rights to ALL Americans. Please don't reproduce, and please don't vote.
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You seem to gently, and intelligent to be on this site. Are you a female or gay guy?
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fuck off with that fucking horrible stupidity- OF course it's a civil rights issue and why on earth would it open the floodgates for people being able to "marry" their pet dog etc? That's horseshit and you know it. My question is this- there is marraige and marriage. I completely understand if a gay couple can't get married in a church (on the basis that it's pretty fucking against all religions), but if they want to have a civil marriage ceremony then they should be entitled and have all the benefits (which don't include tax breaks in the UK- spud), thereof. If they want to why the fuck do you care, and why do you want to stop them? Does it concern you? Will it make the slightest difference to your life?
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Oh yes, comparing giving two humans the right to marry to say, a human and a...goat? dog? hamster? is very realistic!!!
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The wife indeed has some lesbo experiences (which I think the majority of straight women have at some point it time), and many friends of the lesbo persuasion, so that explains her passion for this cause. I likely share the core of her belief in it, just not the level of passion for it. I just think we need to focus on ending the wars (people are dying) and solving the economic crisis (where people are going homeless and jobless) as our priorities. I just happen to support a compromise on this Prop 8 issue so we don't lose our attention on those things.
Wenchy: Like I said to Danny, you guys *may* be right about this being a discrimination issue. I have yet to really contemplate that. But if that is the case, does my compromise position not at least partially address that? Maybe not to total satisfaction, but in a culture war, no one ever gets that anyway no matter who wins or loses. -
The bible also sats to stone your wife if she defies you? We going to do that as well.
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that was very funny.
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No worries - and I appreciate your sentiments even with your rough delivery methods.
I am a happily married hetero female - but I have a gay brother i am very close to so this issue is near to my heart. (Besides the fact hubby and I are diehard bleeding heart liberals anyway :) -
Why shouldn't three or four or five people be allowed to get married, or hit themselves in the head with a hammer, if they want to?
But it has to work both ways. Can't just be one guy getting a dozen wives. Women should be able to pick up three or four hubbies, if they feel like it.
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There are actually several Non-Denominational Christian churches in California that perform same sex ceremonies, and started to do marriages. I saw several signs around LA -- WE NOW DO GAY MARRIAGE!!
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…I think some muckity-muck official in Hawaii produced Obama’s birth certicicate so it’s a very moot issue now. Surprised anyone is still talking about it as that horse was shot right through the cranium a while back.Yeah, many Republicans were salivating over the prospect of Arnie running as prez but we all know he’s just a freakin’ Terminator! So, forget about it ya mooks!
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Nov 06, 2008 11:34:39 AM CST
BSB- there is no compromise when it comes to basic civil rights.
by irrelevntelefant
(unless we're talking about really short people.... and albinos)
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Actually that is a realistic slippery slope. But do I care? Not really.
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of course not My point being that as the religion has the place of worship, does the ceremony etc so therefore they have the right to refuse to perform the ceremony. They are wrong and prejudiced, but we can't make them.
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Aaaawwww....I knew you were no straight male. Odd how you can pick up on that. Well good for you. I too am a die hard California Liberal. I have no direct connections to gays, I've just always strongly defended them.
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How about a moral one? Or a religious one? A lot of people out there, including a vast majority of people who voted for Obama, do not think the definition of marriage should be changed from "between one man and one woman".
A lot of it is a moral or religious argument since marriage is at its core a religious rite. But more importantly, it may be one based in science and genetics.
Most people do not think homosexuality is a normal behavior, right? It is not something they want to accept as mainstream. There may be a vocal minority that pushes for such an agenda, but it sure isn't the majority of Americans, or even the majority of people world-wide.
A lot of you guys seem to think we need to make sacrifices for the next generation, right? I keep hearing this "for the children" and that "for the chhildren". It's all about the children™. Personally, I think it's all about the mullet! But whatever.
People are willing to make sacrifices when it comes to saving the planet. They'll cut back on energy consumption. They'll recycle. They'll buy "green™" products. They'll even change their eating habits in the hopes of reducing their "carbon footprint™".
But I guess people don't want to sacrifice their principles when it comes to their idea of love, sexuality and family and child-rearing because they think if they do sacrifice that, there may not be future generations to make those other sacrifices for.
What the hell am I talkin' about?Well, most parents don't want their children to grow up gay, right? Therefore, they don't want their children to be influenced by a "homosexuality is perfectly normal" agenda in their schools and in public life.
Might sound heartless, but it's not much different than you guys pushing to take religion out of the classroom. You can't teach about creationism™ because it's not scientifically provable!
Well, most people don't believe that homosexuality is simply an "alternate lifestyle choice™". They think it is an aberration of the norm, even if they don't use those terms when talking about it it.
You guys put a lot of stock in science, right? Scientifically speaking, homosexuality is abnormal behavior. If it were the norm, the species would eventually die out.
So I think there is an absolutely instinctual and perfectly reasonable desire to classify homosexuality as abnormal, something not to whole-heartedly embrace or to encourage in our children. The whole "ensure future generations™" idea.
When something is potentially threatening to the existence of the species, that counts as being abnormal, right? It's ingrained in our psyche and probably wired into our DNA.
We instinctively know that there are things we shouldn't try, even if no one has ever specifically told us not to. What a lot of parents are afraid of is that if homosexuality is taught in schools, that more children might want to emulate that behavior.
When I say homosexuality is taught, I don't mean you got some teacher showing the class a bunch of gay porn™.
I mean trying to teach that homosexuality is a totally acceptable behavior. There are moral and religious as well as scientific reasons to argue against it.
Another fear people have is, who's to say when someone is really homosexual versus someone is just experimenting with it? Being a kid is a very confusing time. Their hormones are all screwy as it is. Do you really need to teach them that it's perfectly okay if Danny kisses Scotty, or Simon should be allowed to wear a dress to school?
As far as the whole marriage aspect goes, it's just an extension of acceptance of homosexual behavior as mainstream and a lot of people are going to rebel against it.
But instead of calling those people "homophobes™", why don't you try to see it from their perspective?
I can want gay people to receive the same civil rights and benefits as straight people without having to sacrifice my principles. Marriage is not a constitutionally protected right, is it? Marriage isn't even mentioned. Of course, neither is "separation of church and state™", but whatever.
You can substitute civil unions for marriage and the gay couple can still receive the same benefits as straight couples. Just don't call it "marriage™".
If a church wants to marry a gay couple, the State has nothing to say about it. But when it comes to civil code, you gotta follow the will of the people. And it is clearly against redefining marriage as anything BUT between one man and one woman.
I think this whole argument could be resolved very easily if the people pushing the gay rights agenda so hard would just give a little. Homosexuals are protected in the workplace and in public life more than almost any other monority. It comes across as really damn annoying when gays march on city hall demanding that they be able to marry when in many areas they are entitled to benefits that straight, non-married couples can't get. I'd say the State is bending over backwards to accomodate homosexuals. But the State is an extension of the will of the people, and the people do not want their whole definition of marriage fucked with! So leave it alone! -
I think polygamists are idiots. Anyone who wants to marry more than one person is nuts, in my opinion. But why not let them? What, precisely, is wrong with voluntary polygamous relationships entered into with full awareness? Lawyers could hammer out the details when one spouse divorces the collective or is divorced from it.
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Ohhhhhh. Yeah I get your point. Of course no on can tell churches to perform these ceremonies. That doesn't matter. That is not part of the fight. I think gay couples are just fine with a ceremony at the court.
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What are all you junior highers typing in your room? I don't care what people do in their bedrooms, I've said that, I just don't want anyone-heterosexual or homosexual-to have some sort of 'rights' based on sexuality. It's absurd. Let gays get married, fine. But don't legislate it and vote on it. I'm not saying people are going to marry turtles or what have you, but I do think it will lead to other questions of rights relating to sexuality.
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...and thank'ee kindly for putting it much better than I ever could. It does seem a simple solution to just call 'em civil unions but, unfortunately, even some in the gay community want to push for full "marriage" recognition when a civil union would be the best solution. Yes, have your ceremony and tell everyone you're married. Seems to me getting the civil and legal rights issue resolved is more important that the semantic aspect. Sigh, unfortunately, like the abortion issue, it's all about the Bible isn't it?I hope Obama doesn't make the mistake of Clinton and jump on the issue immediately. Let things settle down a bit then see if it can't be settled.
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Dude, you trying to come in here with a moral argument is like Michael Jackson trying to teach Stephen Hawking how to moon walk.
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you think gay marriage is "wrong." What happens when we have a first contact, if it actually happened in your lifetime and people from this planet fall in love with...someone from another planet who's not "human." What happens then. What if it's a single-sex race? What if? So that's wrong, too? Turn in your Trek, Star Wars, whatever membership cards now. How can you be fan of speculative fiction and films and be so close-minded? I do not understand that all. Or maybe you'll join Terrans against inter-planetary marriage. And before you bash me about being ridiculous, a lot of us here do thing there is indeed life out there, perhaps like us, but not the same. We just may not see it for another century or much longer.
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Danny's LA example. If they're happy to perform the ceremony, then fine. There is no compromise in civil rights unless it's the Welsh. They deserve less rights than the livestock they abuse.
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Nov 06, 2008 11:40:05 AM CST
And I'm Not Talking Cult Leaders Marrying 13 Year Olds
by kevinwillis.net
I don't think we should lower the age of consent. Frankly, I'd come out and support national gay marriage laws everywhere if they simultaneously required that we move the age of consent for marriage up to about 30.
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I'm done arguing with dumb fucks on this site. I've given far too much of my time to your ignorant breed. You're all the same. I'll use the same approach I use on Coughlins Law. Please sir, open up wide, allow me to piss in your mouth, gargle it....and I show you the door. End of discussion.
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Have you ever considered the possibility that the will of the majority may on occasion be wrong? Case in point: Slavery.
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...you're, like, so not cool
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The second you called being gay a "Lifestyle choice" and compared it to a human fucking an animal....I was done with you. From here on in your words are garbage and you are not worth my time.
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What exactly is the moral argument against letting two people who love each be married?
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Nov 06, 2008 11:46:52 AM CST
on a random note- Let the Right One In is opening in LA!
by irrelevntelefant
sweet!
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it's fatuous horseshit for insecure people to justify their baseless prejudices.
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As much as i appreciate your articulate insults and disgusting dismissals (I still think you're like 13 and in study hall right now), I agree--I'm done with this too. I would recommend studying the issue though, as there are strong arguments for deviant sexuality (deviant meaning outside the natural order) being a choice. Are you gay? Is this why you're so emotional about this? I don't mean to be offensive, just curious.
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Why is everyone so excited for this? Its the Swedish vampire thing? I don't know much about it but a ton of people are all pumped....
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The problem really comes down to tradition vs. equal rights. In turn, tradition in this case more or less equals religion. Here's what should happen:The state should stop marrying people. Civil unions only, for gay, straight, whomever. Churches, synagogues, etc can continue to perform marriages, but the marriages legally are the same as civil unions. So if you want to get married, go to a church. If a church wants to allow gay marriage, they can. If they don't want to, they don't have to. Some will, some won't. The state will treat everyone equally and marriages are up to places of worship.That is a good compromise. Any other compromise that, uh, compromises one group's rights but not another is un-American. (Plus it's truly bizarre to want to stop someone from doing something that DOESN'T AFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.)
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in creationism, you truly are among the idiots of this land. and as far as your long pasted post goes regarding homosexuality -- moral and religious reasons? Some of the gay people my wife and I know, including two gay moms with a boy and girl in my son's school, plus a gay mom who's a cub scout leader because she knows her son needs male bonding are some of the most giving people I've ever met, warm, genuinely and not stinking of oppressive hypocrisy like you. And religious? What if someone's agnostic or...atheist. Then what? Will of the people huh? What if the will in one state becomes that it's okay for some students in a school to beat a gay teen to pulp? Where's your religion then? Where's your morality then?
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If this were all about race why wasn't Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson elected?
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You're an idiot, but nice Clerks II reference.
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I agree--that would be a good plan
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...it's not merely a sexuality issue, homosexuality, like pedophilia, is still a punishible crime in many states. Are you just having us one or are you serious? C-r-i-m-e buddy, not just whether one likes to poke one orifice over another. Man, talk about trying to render the issue as merely a petty preference. Do you seriously think pedophilia and homosexuality are to be treated as just sexual preference issues?
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would you let your sister marry an actual alien? And alien...female? Ditto if you have a brother, etc? Still wondering how Foreskin, Gunter, etc. would deal with that?
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Nov 06, 2008 11:54:42 AM CST
"I'm also taking this opportunity to take back porch monkey"
by lost jarv
Funny.
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Nov 06, 2008 11:55:50 AM CST
DGDB- it's cause it's a good Vampire flick- not a "Twilight-0210
by irrelevntelefant
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Homosexuality was once a crime as well, and still is in some places in the world. I'm not saying it should be, but just because something is a crime (bestiality, pedophilia) doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong. The great Greek philosophers practiced consensual pedophilia all the time, and it was an accepted practice. So, I think a comparison is more than valid.
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Why the fuck do you care? What is your stake in the definition of marriage being one thing and one thing only? How will it being modified POSSIBLY impact your life? Someone please tell me. I'd honestly love to hear one legitimate reason.
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or know about this Twilight? Looks romantic novel vampire crapola, though my wife's way into it (I suspect its one of our diverging point, like her liking Bollywood movies, at which point, I leave the room). I kinda like being totally out of the loop on it. Takin' my boy to Madagasar 2 Friday; the first one was so-so, but works for a first grader.
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Have a million internets,
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Is it based on a book? I'm not slamming it. Its just weird it seems people got all freaked out over it before knowing anything about it really or seeing it.
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I say fuck Twilight because its Mormon/Abstinence Propaganda bullshit. That author woman is a fucking freak and has said some pretty wild things. I think she saw this as her anti-Harry Potter really. The funny thing is...I was saying the other day, she thinks this is this giant transcending message convincing America's youth not to fuck. But a ton of kids are gonna be getting serious action in their cars after the movie when their chick gets all hot over the vampire dude.
Message aside....as a film it looks like shit. It looks like that movie The Covenant from a few years back. Horrible. I would watch Madagascar 20 times before sitting through that bullshit. -
... with my "no state marriages" proposal. From what I can tell, he and I disagree about the nature of the argument. But if we can agree on a solution, I think I may be onto something. Press conference!!!
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I believe sincerely that homosexual couples should have the same civil benefits as married couples. They just need to call it civil union, not marriage.
Is that such a bitter pill for gay rights advocates to swallow?
I am not a bigot. I am just not going to accept changing the very definition of marriage, a millennia-old religious rite between a man and a woman, to accomodate a minority group's wishes for "equality™".
That's not being hateful. I don't hate gays. I don't wish them harm. I don't think they should be expunged or have to hide away from public view. They should be protected in every way and allowed to have every right that straight people are afforded in our society. That's officially NOT being a bigot.
I just don't like a tiny little minority trying to dictate to the rest of society what "has" to be in order for them to feel whole. It's ridiculous! Marriage has NEVER been defined as anything but between man and woman, in the history of the world. Why change it now?
They can have their civil unions, we can have our marriage. What's the big damn deal? It seems petulant to DEMAND the State recognize same sex marriage when civil unions would do the same job and allow straight couples to hold on to the definition of marriage they have valued for over a thousand years.
And I hate when people try to make this a civil rights issue. It isn't. The State isn't keeping gay people from owning land, or from holding a job, or from voting, or from running for elected office. The State isn't forcing them to drink from separate water fountains or ride at the back of the bus.
There is no civil right to same sex marriage. It isn't protected in the Constitution. Hell, marriage isn't even MENTIONED in the Constitution. -
...except that almost the exact same arguments were used to keep slavery in place, right? I completely understand that the majority of people view homosexuality as an abomination. After all, I was raised by Southern Baptist on one side and Pentecostal Holiness folks on the other. However, I can say by experience and observation that, like the hairdresser who was "surprised blacks hair was actually soft" that once they actually got to know a gay person they dropped thier stigma. Not all, mind you, but most people I know in the situation. We have laws that protect the rights of the minority FROM the majority, after all. It is one of the things that has alwys distinguished this country and the founding fathers saw to it that it became law.
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...or merely to be free from discrimination under the law. What civil rights do gay couples have when it comes to property or visitation rights?
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I see. You have some points there. And you always come off a hell of a lot more sane than most on your side around here.
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I agree with Snake Foreskin and Thunderbolt--leave the state out of it.
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And you do a great disservice to one of the Ultimate Badasses. I can give you plenty of examples of when the will of the majority should be ignored. Stop it with that shit.
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Nov 06, 2008 12:08:16 PM CST
World War II got us out of the depression, not socialism.
by w3bzpinn3r
the Great Society and War on Poverty is what has been bankrupting the US. Stupid socialists like the a-holes found here are RUINING this once wonderful country. Oh, and Europeans ARE overtaxed. I have relatives in Europe, some who pay over 60% of their earnings into taxes... and health care in canada, uk, and france is HORRID.
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Nov 06, 2008 12:10:33 PM CST
Damn my new keyboard! Thunderbolt, then you are forcing
by snake foreskin
people to go to church! Dude, that's just mean! Otherwise, I think that's a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Except that the populace won't go for it because once again you're proposing fucking with the historical definition of marriage that pretty much everyone has embraced for thousands of years.
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Yes. The problem with saying you don't feel a tiny minority should dictate to society what they need to make them feel whole is exactly as morGoth states....if we used that same logic. We would still have slaves. They were at the time, a tiny minority. Literally splitting the country in two!! And yet they were able to get what they needed in the end to make them whole. And it was a good thing, for them, for our nation, and for the future of our nation. Like slavery, the gay marriage thing is not just about Gay Rights. Its the fact that it is time the sentiment of our country changes once more. Lets get rid of these last traces of a segregated nation.
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This is only my own personal and anedoctal information but I want to share it.
One of my brothers is gay. He is lucky enough to mostly have the support and love of his family but even with that, he spent years in denial, then many more years in destructive self loathing. To watch someone you love hating themselves so badly is a terrible thing. Even moving to a gay friendly area (Los Angeles) and surrounding himself with positive people, he felt like this. It has taken years and year for him to feel ok about himself and I would still say he is not 100%.
He has told me that neither he nor any of his gay friends would be gay if they ANY option. Think about it – would you really want to be part of a group that is so hated? so outside of the “norm”? if you had any choice? Many are disowned from their own families.
That is why I am laughing (bitterly) each time someone paints homosexuality as a CHOICE – it’s so not - it is like being black or having red hair, something that is part of you and you have no control over. They would like to be able to have the option to marry, have children and do all the things most people take for granted, just like everyone else.
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that "will of the majority" horseshit, is that the majority of people are arseholes. Therefore they need telling what is morally correct. This is a case in point, there shouldn't even be any debate about it. I can't believe you are willing to extend discrimination in something that has less than 0 impact on your life and it's actually annoying me that I'm having to be pro-gay marriage and I don't give a shit about it. Come on people, lets have some good old fashioned apathy and keep our fucking noses out of something that doesn't concern us.
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Simple reason, what about people who do not belong to a church, or practice any religion, or who in fact do not believe in religion? What if they want to be married, and not just have a 'civil union'?
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Lets just ban all forms of religion in this country. That would save us a lot of fucking trouble in every department.
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I call bullshit on that "60% tax" thing. Lies, damned lies and even more lies. My taxes fell recently. And healthcare is NOT horrid in the NHS. I'm not a fan, but it is fucking light years better than the morally bankrupt American model
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I call bullshit on that "60% tax" thing. Lies, damned lies and even more lies. My taxes fell recently. And healthcare is NOT horrid in the NHS. I'm not a fan, but it is fucking light years better than the morally bankrupt American model
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in this country. That would save us a lot of fucking trouble in every department. "
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and it wasn't even that exciting. Sorry.
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...have lived under the same roof for 10 years. As far as I'm concerned, we're fucking married. It's just another word that makes a difference to some people out there, and as long as those people keep their desires to impose their beliefs and words and definitions and regulations on other people amongst themselves, fine - Let 'Em.
But NOBODY gets to tell me whether I'm "married" or not - 'cause I see too many loveless, miserable relationships between people that DESPERATELY wish that they were with somebody else - except they're "married" - in the "traditional" sense of the word - so they just have to stick it out and "make the best of it".
Fuck THAT. If something goes awry between my girlfriend and I and we don't want to be "married" anymore, then we can go our seperate ways - without letting a bunch of greedy, meddling lawyers and other busybodies carve off a piece of our already difficult situation just so they can announce to us that we are then "OFFICIALLY" no longer a couple.
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A child can not give consent to an act that they can not understand the consequences of. Gunter, never use that as a basis of an argument again.
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IT DOESN'T IMPACT ANYONE WHO IS HETEROSEXUAL.Guess what, in Connecticut the "will of the majority" was to NOT re-write the state constitution to overturn gay marriage.
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I'm sure he thinks Africa is a country like his idol.
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No, I would not want my sister to marry an off-world alien. Why? I can think of several reasons, but how about this: The potential for diseases the likes of which have never been seen before and thus are no defenses against for one.
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Nov 06, 2008 12:24:14 PM CST
The only Church we need....is THE CHURCH OF CHANG!!
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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it's one of the Ironies of this TB that the Republican assholes who are the first to cry "NANNY STATE WAAAAAAAAH" are the ones that are trying to prevent 2 people from getting married. Stupid fuckers. Nice double standard you got there.
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Praise 2for2true!
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I'm still lobbying, thank you for adding fuel to the fire.
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Awesome. Now show that scum Lieberman the fucking door, and give Dodd a chance. He's got a good heart.
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provided the religion is the one 2true path and follows the teachings about subjects such as "Appropriate Ammunition" and "Always being prepared" that can be found in the Sacred Texts of the Tremors films then that is fine. Pencil Jihad on the right wing.
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I do not know what state you live in dude, but in quite a few states, there exists a legal concept knows as common law marriages. That is: Living with someone fo a number of years mean you are married. You may want to check into that, and find out whether or not you can just walk away with no consequences.
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It makes you look infuckingsane! Or at least really stupid. I wish there were some black people who had family members who were once slaves on this thread. I bet you guys would get an earful from them.
Gay people aren't treated the same as slaves. Stop with that weak shit. It's a damn insult to the civil rights movement!
Homosexuals have achieved great success in our society. Many hold high-paying jobs, are prominent celebrities and are even in public office all over the country. I bet there are more gays in public office here than anywhere else on the planet.
So please stop with the nonsense comparing the plight of gay people to slavery.
Hobocode, I already said one reason why people have a problem with teaching homosexuality as mainstream, normal behavior. It's Scientifically abnormal and ptentially threatening to the species if practiced in huge numbers.
Opposing gay marriage is an extension of that. They don't want their kids to think that being gay is normal. Most parents don't want their kids to grow up to be homosexual. They're afraid that kids seeing gay couples and being told that it's perfectly normal will make it more likely that more kids will experiment or want to be gay.
I am not saying it is fair. I am saying it is a big reason. And socially it is a stigma. But you can't legislate away prejudice. Ask a fat person what it's like for them. There are no laws on the books that ban fat people from an equal existence. But there's plenty of prejudices that keep them on the outside looking in. You can't make the world fair for everyone, no matter how good your intentions are and no matter how hard you try. -
Nov 06, 2008 12:30:21 PM CST
here's an argument for "MARRIAGE" over "CIVIL UNION"
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Did you guys hear about what Arkansas just passed? They voted in a law that says "ONLY MARRIED COUPLES MAY ADOPT." Who the fuck do you think they meant to target specifically with this? Thats right......gays. Even though it never mentioned gays in its language, thats exactly who they were going after. Thats my point. Civil Unions will full rights sounds good. But it won't happen. They will always find sneaky ways to fuck them with all sorts of restrictions like this, without outwardly saying it is Anti-Gay legislation. Civil Unions is not 100% fair. Its a good step in that direction. But they deserve more.
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I'm actually going to fucking check the tax rates for the whole of Europe, but I know for a fucking fact that in the UK that's simply not true. How the fuck did he think he could put that up without a European calling him on it.
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the ussa
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I don't have time to sift through all of the new comments since yesterday, but if someone is making that comparison, it has to be one of the worst misappropriations of a word since the end of Cannibal Holocaust when the professor stupidly utters 'I wonder who the real cannibals are...'
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No one is claiming the current situation to gays is equal to slaves. We are comparing them because that was a tiny minority that changed this country forever. People were very much against allowing them to vote, and own property. People thought it would seriously destroy this nation. It is ignorance that breeds inequality. If you notice its the same Hillbilly Christian ilk thats been fighting against equal rights for others, since our nation's start.
And fuck off with that hanging out around gay kids will make your kid more likely to be gay. That statement just makes you look like a fucking idiot. I would be proud to let my child befriend a gay kid at school. It is important for children to understand, we are not all the same-- but we should all be treated the same. Clearly you disagree with this. -
and no-one is comparig gay marriage to slavery (you know this full well). Slavery is a very easy example of the will of the majority being wrong. Good try to dodge the issue and hide your bigotry though. Webspinner update. Thought not- highest rate of tax anywhere in Europe= Sweden and that's 55% Fucking lying twat. If he's got swedish relatives you can have my cock for a kipper.
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I'll throw Dodd out on the street myself. He and Gollum's time has come and gone.
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Where are you getting your “facts”? Maybe from the guy that runs the creationist museum?
“Teaching homosexuality” (whatever you mean by that) will NOT make more people gay and threaten the human species – just as being raised by gay parents will not make you more likely to be gay...tolerant yes, gay....no!!
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So why bother, right? And you just admitted that gays don't have equal rights.
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....I learned about homosexuality in High School. We talked about a guy named Harvey Milk, and what his election meant to the nation. I didn't notice any guys drop to their knees and start sucking each other off in the back of the classroom. Your arguments are fucking trash Snake, I'm sorry but they are. And who the fuck cares if there are more gay people that finally decide to come out when the nation starts looking a bit more accepting?! Why do you fucking care? Are you that terrified of them? I'd be much more frightened of hanging out with Palin supporting Southern folk myself. Those people honestly terrify me.
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Change in name only. Obama's gotta eat! oh and Too soon!
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Gee- Wall Street sure is jolly about the commies taking over the White House with the half breed in charge. Wait until all of you clueless idiots watch your net worth dwindle. Socialism sucks you fools!!! LIBERALISM IS A DANGEROUS MENTAL DISORDER.
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I see a huge difference between slaves and gay people. I see a huge difference in their plight. Of course slaves were a minority, black people were mistreated and the will of the people kept them subjugated and in misery for far too long.
I am sorry that my words were mistaken for an argument that the minority should just suck it up. I don't think that way most of the time.
Women weren't always allowed to vote. They deserved that right. They couldn't always work on an equal footing with men. They deserved that right, too.
But homosexual couples aren't really being denied rights. And if they are then it needs to be addressed so that they have the same rights as straight people.
I just think they can be together as a couple, joined by a civil union rather than in marriage. I also don't think same sex couples should be allowed to get benefits that heterosexual couples can't get unless they are married. If you want equality, it has to work both ways.
And I never cut and paste my posts unless I am copying an article in its entirety. And then I include who wrote it. My words and my thoughts are my own, flawed as they may be!
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Gee- Wall Street is real jolly about the half breed and the rest of the commies taking over the White House. Wait until you clueless idiots see your net worth dwindle. Liberalism is a mental disorder- just look at Harry.
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Did you know halfwit, that in the post election year Republican presidents have presided under an average loss of 1.2% while Democrats have enjoyed a 9.7% average increase the first year?Overall they are pretty similar.Ass.
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... no idea what you are talking about, or are knowingly lying W3bzpinn3r. If you seriously think that European societies, and Canada as well for that matter, don't offer a markedly better quality of life than the USA for the average citizen, have a quick look at infant mortality rates and do some research into what percentage of the population loses their homes or are forced to declare bankruptcy because they can't pay their medical bills. I'll wait.
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Nov 06, 2008 1:03:00 PM CST
"But homosexual couples aren't really being denied rights."
by irrelevntelefant
really? go to your HR department and tell them you want to cover your same sex partner on your Medical plan, see what they say...
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then why on earth is the state performing marriages? I'm not up on my marriage history - I don't know if it started as property exchange deal, or as a religious deal -but certainly for a very, very long time it has had a strong religious component. So having the government step away from marriage isn't just a compromise - it's sensible and logical and APPROPRIATE in and of itself. If marriage is a religious ceremony, then people SHOULD have to go to a church to get married. Maybe churches could be required to do marriages at an affordable rate - not exclusively, they could still do their stupid-ass gala events - but there could be a quickie rate comparable to what the state would charge. That way, anyone who wants to get married could go to a church and do it. If you don't want to go to church then I would assume you're not religious and thus missing out on this religious rite should be no skin off your nose. You go to city hall and get your civil union hook-up. Both have the same legal rights, and churches can make their own decisions. Voila! I think if you have a problem with this idea, you're just looking for trouble.
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The state has to be involved because marriage involves legal rights no matter if a couple is religious or not.
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Gay or not. They should be able to get married.
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I addressed that already. I said: "the marriages legally are the same as civil unions". And: "Both have the same legal rights" ... It's the same as if you get married now. A church is legally allowed to marry people. Who they marry is up to them. That's religious freedom. Then the state recognizes the marriage, as it does now.
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I'm answering other posters' questions! I never said I thought that exposing kids to gay people would make them want to be gay. I said that's what many parents are afraid of. It's pretty irrational, actually.
Stop trying to paint me as a homophobic bigot in an attempt to bolster your argument or discredit me. I am trying to explain the perspective of a lot of people out there. It doesn't mean it's my own! Hint: why don't you look for the words "I THINK" when you want to know what I think?
And by the way, I am not a creationist! I am not of the belief that the Earth is 4 thousand years old or that dinosaurs existed at the same time as Adam and Eve! You guys need to stop being so eager to attack.
And as for me misunderstanding the sentiment on here about slavery and gay rights, I was responding to people making the connection between gays and blacks in this country and the history of the civil rights movement and before that, when blacks were slaves. I understand the desire to compare the desire for gay marriage as an issue of equality and therefore compare it to the black Civil Rights movement. But marriage isn't a civil right. It is an institution, which has exclusions for its members. Same sex marriage isn't the same thing as the right to vote.
Gays have never been treated as slaves. They are not second-class citizens under the law. If they are denied any rights that heterosexuals receive under the law, then that needs to change. Marriage is not one of those rights, however. It isn't a civil right. People need to remember that when fancying themselves civil rights activists in the fight for gay marriage. -
I couldn't get on my wife's insurance plan until she was actually my wife. When we were living together and engaged it didn't fucking matter.
She has gay men working at her office that were able to get their significant other covered. One of the guys was head of HR, by the way. That's the way it goes in many of the more progressive companies. Same sex couples can get coverage, while hetero couples are denied the same benefit.
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Then you have to give all churches (and I see you are not mentioning other religious organizations like synagouges, covens etc)access to things like social security databases and such - it would be an administrative nightmare plus a security risk.
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Do they have a death wish or something? What do you expect from the state with the lowest percentile in just about everything but fishing licenses?
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Other than that, you guys are putting up a great fight!
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"Gee- Wall Street is real jolly about the half breed and the rest of the commies taking over the White House. Wait until you clueless idiots see your net worth dwindle. Liberalism is a mental disorder- just look at Harry."
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... you've never shown any indication on these boards that you understand or give a shit about anyone's perspective other than your own racist, homophobic, small-minded, tunnel-vision, fear-mongering, sycophantic-capitalist, "hate speech is OK when I'm 'only' joking" point of view.
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Mr. Foreskin, or can I call you Snake, I have been reading some of your debates with our fellow talkbackers, and while I agree with some of your points (I too believe that homosexuals should push for civil unions over marriage, but only because civil marriages would be easier for them to attain at this point) I have to disagree with some of your assessments about homosexuality. According to the most recent research by evolutionary psychologist, homosexuality is not a choice but most likely an inherited trait (probably from the mother’s side, or X chromosome). I explained earlier some of the evolutionary advantages of homosexuality in a mating strategy above (which you can find and read if you want), but excluding whatever advantages or disadvantages there are, the point is that if homosexuality is not a choice, and they are born gay, shouldn’t they be allowed to enjoy the right to marry like the rest of us? I know the other argument, that they can get married but only to other members of the opposite sex, but that is a sham; as is the argument that the definition of marriage is between a man and a woman. The original purpose of marriage was to prevent cuckoldry and to safeguard a women’s womb for her owner, otherwise known as her husband. Marriage was not viewed with ideals of love or romance, but as a necessary contract between a man and a woman to ensure that a man would not abandon a woman after he has impregnated her, and to ensure that other men knew he owned her and would not try to impregnate her (good luck on that one). Now, with genetic and blood testing, we can determine the identity of the father and no longer need such an institution for purposes of raising a family. But what about couples that get married because of love and not to have kids? Well, yes, marriage can still serve that purpose, but in that case isn’t the gender of either partner now irrelevant for such a union? Bonding between lovers of the same gender is just as much part of history as romantic bonding between men and women. Look at the ancient Greeks, such as the Spartans or the Sacred Bands of Thebes, where many prominent military figures enjoyed such relationships between themselves. The great warrior Epaminondas was buried with his lover after they both died in battle, a custom associated wit husband and wife. So while I understand that gay marriage might be against your religious beliefs - and by all means do not allow gay marriages in your churches - homosexual bonds have existed in ancient Greece, and despite the religious rights insistence that we are a Judeo-Christian nation, most of our ideals and inspiration came from the Greeks and the Romans (hence Democracy, Republic, Senate, Congress, etc.). I know by the time I post this you’ll have moved on to another topic, but hopefully this was helpful.
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Blue and Red have become the defacto colors for the Democrats and Republicans. I actually like the color designations while others- Republicans- don't like the fact they have been assigned as Red. Does anybody know if they are the "official" colors of the parties or un-official and just a TV network thing that caught on in people's mind set?
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This is only my own personal and anedoctal information but I want to share it.
One of my brothers is gay. He is lucky enough to mostly have the support and love of his family but even with that, he spent years in denial, then many more years in destructive self loathing. To watch someone you love hating themselves so badly is a terrible thing. Even moving to a gay friendly area (Los Angeles) and surrounding himself with positive people, he felt like this. It has taken years and year for him to feel ok about himself and I would still say he is not 100%.
He has told me that neither he nor any of his gay friends would be gay if they ANY option. Think about it – would you really want to be part of a group that is so hated? so outside of the “norm”? if you had any choice? Many are disowned from their own families.
That is why I am laughing (bitterly) each time someone paints homosexuality as a CHOICE – it’s so not - it is like being black or having red hair, something that is part of you and you have no control over. They would like to be able to have the option to marry, have children and do all the things most people take for granted, just like everyone else.
So before you spout off about it being choice, take two seconds and imagine if YOU were gay....and how you would really feel.
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I apologize before hand. I misread some the comments above and came away with the assumption that you were a creationist and believed that homosexuality could be taught. My apologies. I will add that I think Thunderbolt Ross idea is the most compelling: marriage is a religious institution, and the state should only do civil unions. If you are gay and your church won't let you marry, join a church that will.
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I did mention synagogues "etc" in my first post. I'm using churches as shorthand. That's twice I've had to let you know something you should have known yourself. That and your "point" about databases (do churches have access to them now? No? Then they won't then) lead me to believe it's time to cease this particular dialogue with you. It's just too repetitive.
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I was just married on Halloween last week. I am an atheist and she is...well... Christians would call her a pagan. We were MARRIED by a Justice of Peace. Religion and god was not mentioned once in our outdoor ceremony here in Connecticut! We would have been devastated if we could not get truly MARRIED. You really think a civil union is the same? I don't know what we would have done if we were not allowed to marry. It was the greatest day of our lives, why would you deny anyone that sort of true happiness?
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Red became the Republican color because they're all secretly Socialists - but that socialism is only allowed to be applied to themselves, and only to their own advantage. Otherwise, if applied to anybody other than Republicans, it's "Communism", and it's color is "Pinko".
Yeah, I know, "What about the RED Chinese, and Russians being called "Reds"?"
Well, the Republicans are STOOPID.
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While I agree with you that being gay is not a choice, I have to disagree about how people would never really want to be a part of a group that is so hated. Their are, and they are called geeks. The used to get their lunch money taken every day, but still they would wear that Star Trek shirt to school.
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Harry truman, doris day, red china, johnnie ray,
South pacific, walter winchell, joe dimaggio
Joe mccarthy, richard nixon, studebaker, television,
North korea, south korea, marilyn monroe
Rosenbergs, h-bomb, sugar ray, panmunjom,
Brando, the king and I and the catcher in the rye
Eisenhower, vaccine, englands got a new queen,
Marciano, liberace, santayana goodbye
Chorus
We didnt start the fire
It was always burning
Since the worlds been turning
We didnt start the fire
No we didnt light it
But we tried to fight it
Joseph stalin, malenkov, nasser and prokofiev,
Rockefeller, campanella, communist bloc
Roy cohn, juan peron, toscanini, dacron,
Dien bien phu falls, rock around the clock
Einstein, james dean, brooklyns got a winning team,
Davy crockett, peter pan, elvis presley, disneyland
Bardot, budapest, alabama, krushchev,
Princess grace, peyton place, trouble in the suez
Chorus
Little rock, pasternak, mickey mantle, kerouac,
Sputnik, chou en-lai, bridge on the river kwai
Lebanon, charles de gaulle, california baseball,
Starkweather, homicide, children of thalidomide
Buddy holly, ben hur, space monkey, mafia,
Hula hoops, castro, edsel is a no-go
U-2, syngman rhee, payola and kennedy,
Chubby checker, psycho, belgians in the congo
Chorus
Hemingway, eichmann, stranger in a strange land,
Dylan, berlin, bay of pigs invasion
Lawrence of arabia, british beatlemania,
Ole miss, john glenn, liston beats patterson
Pope paul, malcolm x, british politician sex,
Jfk, blown away, what else do I have to say
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Birth control, ho chi minh, richard nixon back again,
Moonshot, woodstock, watergate, punk rock
Begin, reagan, palestine, terror on the airline
Ayatollahs in iran, russians in afghanistan
Wheel of fortune, sally ride, heavy metal, suicide,
Foreign debts, homeless vets, aids, crack, bernie goetz
Hypodermics on the shores, chinas under martial law
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We as a society still have a long way to go.
http://tinyurl.com/67hv97
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Nov 06, 2008 1:53:51 PM CST
Some tool in my neighborhood put up a white flag of surrender.
by blackmantis
I feel like putting a note in his mailbox:
Dear Whitey,
We're taking over. Hand over your women and children.
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Nov 06, 2008 1:54:36 PM CST
for the record, I chose to be tall and to NOT go bald
by irrelevntelefant
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I m sorry to exhaust you with intelligence and logic - thank you for ceasing our dialouge :)
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Gives them ligitimacy. That's what people have a problem with. And snake, no one is going to teach your children homosexuality is ok. They'll teach them about diseases, condoms and genitals like they always do. If you want your kid to think its immoral though, that's under your auspices
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No, leave him an anonymous note saying: PLEASE COMMIT SUICIDE. CARBON MONOXIDE INHALATION IS PAINLESS.
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I think they would have gotten their lunch money taken with or with the Star trek shirt, no?
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They married women. They had sexual and often paternalistic relationships with other males, usually younger boys, but they did not marry. Marriage was reserved for a man and a woman.
You brought up Epaminondas, and I will bring up Alexander the Great. He had his legendary lover Hephaestion, but both were married to women. Alexander likened himself to Achilles and Hephaestion to Patroclus. When Hephaestion died he was buried in the manner of a Greek king and Alexander asked that he be worshipped like a God. Clearly there was a great love there, and Alexander could have done anything he wished. After all, he was ruler of pretty much everyone. But he didn't marry Hephaestion. He married women.
I only wish to point this out because your argument was in effect trying to de-romanticize marriage and make it into something merely approximating a contractual obligation made between two parties. In fact, marriage is far more than that. It predates history as a religious rite and has been between man and woman since the beginning.A s far as religion goes, I never said men shouldn't be able to be with men or women likewise. I think if they want to be together and be happy, then by all means have a civil union.
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I think they would have gotten their lunch money taken with or without the Star trek shirt, no?
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Nov 06, 2008 1:58:26 PM CST
I wish I could choose to have a bigger dick....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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I read blackmantis' comments, and had to think. For all of those fearing a takeover by the "mud people", put down your copy of the Turner Diaries and think: Barack Obama is the first black president in history, and only the 5th African -merican senator in American history after 200+ years. Blacks make up little over 10% of the population. I think the white man will be running this country for a while people, so stop your worrying.
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So whats your deal? Why you choose to join this gang of perverts and thieves on AICN?
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Put "Mind if we dance with your dates?"
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Yeah. Vulcan nerve pinch doesn't do shit.
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"He has told me that neither he nor any of his gay friends would be gay if they ANY option. Think about it – would you really want to be part of a group that is so hated?"
Um, I'm a conservative. So, uh, yes, I guess I do want to be part of a rabidly hated group. Just check the rest of this thread!
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Can't argue with that... Billy Joel is indeed the answer!
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Ah yes, and should we perserve all time honored traditions? things like feeding Christians to the lions and stoning women to death for adultry?
Just because something was done a certain way historically does not mean it’s right. I would like to think we can evolve and become more enlightened as a species!
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..., American civil rights activist, former US Congressman, and Mayor of Atlanta, on what this election represents on "The Colbert Repor(t)" last night; paraphrasing: "... it means that the American people have rejected fear in favor of faith in their country. That's was Obama has done, he has awakened that faith..." Sorry fear-mongers, we aren't buying the bullshit anymore.
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"The thing that bugs the shit out of me with that "will of the majority" horseshit, is that the majority of people are arseholes."
Good point, well made. But the opposite of democracy (ruling by majority vote) is to go with all the rules made by one person or a very small amount of people, who a couple of generations in end up being unelected, but there anyway. Then it's a dictatorship. Not everyone is as smart as you are - and that's the problem: it's the dumb-but-dangerous that end up in office in dictatorships...
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Nov 06, 2008 2:06:07 PM CST
Terry, please read my post where I said I don't think that
by snake foreskin
way. I was just reflecting the views of a lot of people out there, fair or unfair. I don't think it's immoral. If anything I look at it as a medical or scientific issue rather than a moral one.
But I sure as hell would not advise crapping on the vast majority of the world's definition of marriage, dating back several thousand years, just to appease a minority for the sake of "political correctness" or "fairness".
Civil unions will allow gay couples to share the same rights and responsibilities as straight couples without wreaking havoc on the definition of the institution of marriage. A lot of the argument back and forth is getting petty. -
Being an AICN poster is not a choice. Who in their right mind would choose to put themselves through this?
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Snake, snake, snake. You missed my point (or more likely, I presented it badly). Yes, Alexander the Great married a woman, but that was to cement that any child born for her was his legitimate heir. The bond of marriage was only used to ensure the legitimacy of a child and to prove who his rightful father was. End of purpose. Romantic notions of love didn’t creep into marriage until around the middle ages, and only for the Nobility. Now with modern science we don’t need marriage as a way to keep tabs on who Johnny’s real father is. Marriage only exists now as a commitment between a man and a woman who loves each other and wants to share their life together. And if loving someone and wanting to share your life with the other person is the only criteria, than why not let gay people get married.
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"But I sure as hell would not advise crapping on the vast majority of the world's definition of marriage, dating back several thousand years, just to appease a minority for the sake of "political correctness" or "fairness"."Yeah! Fuck "fairness"!
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Stop with that bullshit. There is nothing inherently wrong with marriage being between a man and a woman. If there is, please tell it to me.
There is something inherently wrong with slavery, stoning women to death and feeding anyone to the lions. Even Christians! -
Andrew Young: http://tinyurl.com/67hv97. Damn proof reading skills...
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My co-worker is a reviewer for the comics here and he showed me this site a while ago - i think it's great (being a movie/trek/bsg/vampire watching geekie type anyway ;)
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"... it means that the American people have rejected fear in favor of faith in their country"And big handouts. And spreading the wealth. Some people apparently like that idea a whole lot.Because McCain did represent fear. Fear of terrorist attacks. Fear of the government taking your money. The fear of government running healthcare. The fear of the markets tanking. The fear of high unemployment and stagflation. That heartless bastard.
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I would shit on thousands of years of world culture, policy, habits, traditions, will of the people, whatever the fuck you wanna call-- I would shit on all of that in a second to do whats right and treat people with fairness and equality. Fuck tradition. There comes a time where you have to just do what is fair. The time will come. The Conservative lean on this country is slowly going bye bye. As I said earlier look at Obama's margin of victory with America's youth. This is going to be a much different country in 20-30-40 years. When this last stronghold of hate mongers is gone, this country will be truly great.
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It was a property issue in the past, was appropriated by religion and now is a legal issue. If it were religious, atheists Muslims Jews etc. Couldn't get married and no one could get divorced. Adultery (for a woman) would be punishable by death
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Not for the mojority of the world. There's morality issues, religious issues, etc. I really can't go any further with this - I just saw that Michael Crichton passed away. What the hell?
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So if we live in a utopia where all the rights given to straight couples are given to same-sex couples...
What happens to gay pride marches?
The thing is, if being gay is as normal and as everyday as being straight, if it's as accepted and acceptable and equally represented and acknowledged in every way, then surely something as dumb as gay pride would just disappear! Not meaning to be rude or anything, but I was born straight - just as all gay people are born gay - and I believe I had no choice in how I was born - as gay people also have no choice in how they are born. But I don't run around telling people how proud I am that I fancy women; why would I? Isn't that a bit like being proud to be left-handed, of proud to be brown-haired? Isn't that just an example of the gay community choosing to segregate THEMSELVES in that way?
By all means, make gay people equal in the eyes of the law... but don't take people's religions from them (even if segregation is a part of it) in the name of de-segregation when the minority you want to integrate into the whole is too busy segregating themselves with inane ideas like being proud of something you had no choice or control over! -
Interesting.
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Being an AICN poster (and not a 'long-time one), do I follow the tradition of talkback? I feel my knowledge of movies pales in comparison to others. Am I a "true" talkbacker then? And I don't use the zone. Am I looked down upon by the "zoners"? Did my parents want me to grow up and waste away time posting here at AICN?I'm so confused and frightened...
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Nov 06, 2008 2:14:03 PM CST
I Hope You Gay Marriage Folks are Arguing for Polygamy, Too
by kevinwillis.net
Or can explain to me why it's fair to legitimize gay marriage but not to allow multiple peoples who love each other to get married and be recognized in the eyes of the law?
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Nov 06, 2008 2:16:23 PM CST
Snake Foreskin, here's why your argument doesn't wash...
by www.valiens.com
The definition of marriage has been changed over time. Marriage used to be about property (daughters) and money (dowry). The word "love" wasn't even an issue.
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i might like to feed to a lion - hmmm, maybe some old customs *should* be brought back?
I didn't say there is anything wrong with marriage between a man and woman (really I didn't didn't, I just checked what i wrote) - I just think same sex partners should be allowed the same! -
The nearest theory I can come up with to letting pretty much everyone do what they want without harming others (note I've omitted OFFENDING others - people take offence these days just to see what legal or financial leverage it can give them, curse our selfish, materialistic times) is to say to people: do what you want, pray (or don't) to whomever you do/don't want to, say what you want - but all within legal limits. My line would be physicality: the minute ANYONE starts to physically restrain / attack / assault others over a difference of opinion, whatever that maybe, then the full weight of the law should come in. That way, people of all prejudices can keep their stupid petty bigotries and hatreds, but do NOTHING physical about it. You'll never get rid of hatred, and you sure as shit can't legislate against stupidity, so the best you can do in society is to try and contain it. I think that's the best that can happen. What do you think?
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Nov 06, 2008 2:17:02 PM CST
Pillow Talk, You Need to Accept Your Talkback Posting
by kevinwillis.net
It's just part of who you are. You were born that way, and you are just as good as people who never post in a Talkback.You need to accept yourself for who you are. Posting in Talkbacks on AICN is part of what defines you as a purpose.
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that Polygamy would benefit the Pillow household (specifically me).I've put in calls to Ms. Beckinsdale and Ms. Hayek and Ms. Bellucci.I think that's a lot of self-control on my part, choosing only three beyond-hot women.
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Damn. That's pure unadulterated fascism right there.
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I meant porpoise. What defines you as a papoose.I mean, person. What defines you as a purloin. Look, you know what I'm saying.
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You tell us that marriage has existed so long that we shouldn't tinker with it. But we have tinkered with other things through the century - such as who is a person. Originally, a person was someone in your tribe, and you couldn’t steal or murder anyone in your small group but you were more than welcome to kill or steal from someone in another group because he wasn’t a person. Centuries later a person became anyone who was from the same tribe as you; then it became anyone from the same ethnic group as you; then the same nation; then the same race; until finally, now, we believe that all people on the face of the earth are “persons” and deserve the same rights and respect as anyone else. Well, everyone it seems, except for those damn homosexuals.
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but what about those of us who were married and had children before becoming AICN posters? Is our marriage still valid? Are we still legitimate posters? So many questions...
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Anyway, geek became the new black last decade.
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Argue for a trip to the Netherlands. A little doobage, a professional sex worker . . . it would be a lot like getting a massage. She might enjoy it.Best of luck. I was hoping Obama would bring change I can believe in, but no such luck on the homefront just yet. I'm still waiting for them to spread the wealth of unbelievably hot chicks around evenly. To be fair. To me.
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Agreed. Sickening isin't it?
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Because being gay doesn't make you any less prone to believe in god. Maybe, just maybe, they want to believe that the god they were raised to believe in loves them too and sanctifies their union in the same way as any other child o' god.
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and not trickle down to the regular Joe's.You only have your own party to blame for that Kevin.
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We actually do practice polygamy in this country, serial polygamy. It’s called divorce. After a man is divorced, he can find and marry a new, younger, fertile wife who will allow him to breed a couple more kids. And if he is rich enough, he will divorce her after she is no longer able to produce kids and marry one of the kids nannies and have one or two more kids with her.
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Nov 06, 2008 2:24:56 PM CST
No Ballot Initiative to Ban Talkbacker Marriage Yet . . .
by kevinwillis.net
So your marriage is still valid. One day, hopefully, those who never post comment on entertainment sites will band together to pass a law against the unnatural and perverse practice known as "talkbacker conjugation". This would, of course, also include the sham of "Talkbacker Marriage".
If your wife has only occasionally posted in an AICN Talkback though, she's just a little tb-curious. That's entirely understandable. It's not like she's really a born Talkbacker. -
... run away when you're getting your ass handed to you and use the unfortunate death of a popular fiction writer/TV show creator as an excuse. Pathetic.
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I don't hate conservatives as a group and I respect their right to their beliefs - it's just when they try to force those beliefs on everyone else I have a problem.
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That's marriage. Then divorce. Then marriage again. Are you going to say dating after a divorce is adultery? That getting a new girlfriend after your old one dumps you is cheating on the ex? That don't work. I want to see legal marriages involving more than two people. Simultaneously and with concommitant legal rights.
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I know every guy would love to fantasize about having a harem, but I am going to warn you that there is a good chance that you one of the guys left holding your junk. Say there is 100 million eligible men out there, and 100 million eligible women. Well, chances are that a number of men will have more than one wife (especially the rich and successful), so lets say that the married men have on average three wives. Well, that means that 33 million guys will have 100 million wives, and 66 million other guys will be jerking off a lot or going “prison gay” (I know I dropped a million, but I figure they will be the smart ones and kill themselves).
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I can't read any of your comments right now because my computer is fucking up. I can only post blind.
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God created everything (so say the Christians, and I beleive that at least). Ergo, God created homosexuals. Therefore, gay people are as much a part of God's Creation as straight people - ergo, in the sight of God, gay people are as holy and beloved and sacred as those of us who go the straight way.
So, to the religious gay population out there - ignore the haters. God loves you, it says so in the Bible. Yes it does - the Old Testament is the basis for Judaism, NOT Christianity (isn't the Torah actually the first five books of the Old Testament?) and so, technically, according to the Bible, it's the Jews who should be persecuting the homosexuals, NOT the Christians.
Back on topic: go Bama! And don't make polygamy legal - it's hard enough trying to make ONE partner happy, let alone more. Just another reasons why people who cheat are FUCKING INSANE! -
Regarding the lefties that despise conervatives. Just hate them. With a passion. Ain't going to change my mind, tho.
And forcing beliefs on other people is cool, when it involves taking their money to fund stuff they don't support. Come on. If we didn't occasionally force our beliefs on other people, nothing would get done. Did every tax payer think the Interstate was a good idea? Come on, now. Think everybody wants to pay for NASA?Most people find forcing their beliefs on others palatable, if they agree about what is being forced. And its hard to argue that "forcing" schools to integrate (Eisenhower, a Republican, sent the National Guard to ensure it happened with military force) was clearly forcing a belief system on people. And for good reason. Their beliefs were fucked up, and they needed another belief system forced on them. -
Voted yes on Prop 8 in the greatest numbers, according to exit polling. So whose forcing whose beliefs on whom in this scenario?
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Um, real egalitarian polygamy would allow men and women to marry each other to their desired level. Thus, one woman might have two husbands. Two women might have two husbands, but they live together in a single marriage. Harem-style polygamy would be discriminatory against women (or, against men, if you think about it).
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But I'm expecting Obama to redistribute them evenly. So we all get a chance each month for at least some groping and a handjob from some really hot chick. It's only fair.
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Liberals are moving to the state in droves, to get away from the high taxes and high cost of living in their liberal Utopias. And then importing that into NC. I'd like to move to NC one day, but I'm reconsidering. All you lefties are gonna turn it into California.
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Got a long standing invitation from Quint to have drinks sometime. Guess what one of the (briefly touched upon) topics of conversation will be when I finally take him up on it?
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I hear your arguements and they are valid to a certain point, however, the difference between "forcing" space exploration versus allowing gay marriage is that space exploration is not hurting anyone and it's not being exclusionary and it's not being done for the sake of morality.
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No society is exclusively monogamous. As I said before, the point of marriage is to produce children and know who the father is. Men, by our very natures (just check the fossil records), want to spread our seed as far as we can and have as many kids with as many different women as possible. It is man’s nature to be polygynous, whether that is simultaneous or serially polygamous. No matter what our society has said, and despite our so-called Judeo-Christian traditions, we have figured out ways for us men to try and mate with more than one woman; we allow divorces hence we practice serial monogamy. However, like Muslim states, were the more successful men have three-or-four wives it is usually the more successful men who divorce and remarry someone younger.
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That's where all the hot chicks are going, to North Carolina.And since Dems have the majority, we get more than just handjobs. Instead, you conservatives get to buy all of Ted Steven's stuff via an auction, which helps fund all the hot chicks moving expenses to NC.
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Because I have a difference of opinion from Skyway Moaters, he wants me banned. Dipshit.
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I talked about the Black support of Prop 8 in great length this morning. They have always been a very homophobic community. As a strong Obama supporter, I think its a fucking disgrace they are trying to get everyone to jump on board this train of CHANGE-- while they give the finger to the gays and say "You're on your own fuckers."
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Yes, as was discussed early here there seems to be no solidarity in oppression, does there?
The more elections i witness the more i am convinced they are won by money, at the end of the day that is mostly matters – and those pushing Prop 8 were extremely well funded.
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You are not calculating how painful truth – 20% of the men get 80% of the women. One of the reasons why is do to something called preselection. Psychologist Benedict Jones did a study showing how the more women are after you or want you, the more desirable you become to other women. It is an evolutionary tool to help females who faces lots of potential mates but has difficulties in choosing the best one, or if to do so would cost too much time or energy, she can help herself by taking a steer from how rival females behave. The more females she sees with a man, the likelier she is to consider the guy a good catch. By that token, a woman would naturally be more attracted to a man who has already has a harem of woman and it would be easier for him to draw more women to him. Call it the Hugh Hefner effect. It is one of the reasons their really has not been a true polyandrous societies.
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"She died after he threw her under the bus! by Snake Foreskin Nov 3rd, 2008 03:46:41 PM Poor woman, fo sho! She raised him the best she knew how and he turned around and told the country what an ignorant bigot she was. Way to go, Barry. Toot should be so proud. Hell, she probably said she was voting for McCain and David Plouffe held a pillow over her face until she "Toot"ed her last horn. I thought every vote was supposed to count? That's okay because ACORN already has her registered to vote 37 times in Ohio."
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I ave disagreed with many of your stances, mostly do to how repugnant I find your name, but you should now be banned. I believe free speech is an absolute, especially on a talkback site like this.
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I wrote "you should NOW be banned" but I meant "you should NOT be banned". Man I do a lot of typos.
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Did you miss the part where I said: "Some shit needs to be smacked down without mercy."? Or where I said "I will do everything I can to get you banned, and don't care if I get banned in the process"? Or have you perhaps "forgotten" where YOU said: "She died after he threw her under the bus! Poor woman, fo sho! She raised him the best she knew how and he turned around and told the country what an ignorant bigot she was. Way to go, Barry. Toot should be so proud. Hell, she probably said she was voting for McCain and David Plouffe held a pillow over her face until she "Toot"ed her last horn. I thought every vote was supposed to count? That's okay because ACORN already has her registered to vote 37 times in Ohio."? It's far more than a "disagreement" Snake. In fact, that description is even applicable as far as I'm concerned.
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I feel like I'm at a Bris.
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"It's Scientifically abnormal and ptentially threatening to the species if practiced in huge numbers."
Crap.
Before you print "folk science" like that, why don't you, like, reflect on the fact that you're utterly unqualified to offer opinions about anything except life in Highschool.
For the record, "homosexual" conduct is widespread amongst mammals.
Science, therefore regards it as a NORMAL form of behaviour in a minority of the relevant population.
If you had a clue about basic genetics you'd know that there's no risk that "huge numbers" of a species would engage in exclusively homosexual conduct.
Your unexpressed premisses are that there's something "wrong" or "unnatural" about homosexual orientation and that it's a "choice".
Crap. It's as normal as being left-handed or blue-eyed.
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...we all seem to be caught between a cock and my dick blood foreskin. .
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I really didn't need that image before I headed off to lunch.
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Could all the hilariously stupid Douchebags trying to blame Obama for the Ecomomy right now at least TRY to understand one thing.
Obama is NOT the President yet. Bush is STILL President for a cuopla months. You remember Bush right ? Incompetent dude ? Fucked everything up ? Highest disapproval ratings ever ?
The Financial storm might be beginning to kick back in seriously again as the Brits just cut interest rates by 150! base points. That is a fucking HUGE cut. And might be replicated worldwide as an effort to shock therapy the Recession Economies into action and get such things as interbank lending and consumer confidence up again.
Bush also warned of terrorist attacks in the run up to inauguration. Make of that what you will.
Finally the Republican Civil War has REALLY started to sizzle! Palin is taking a fucking hammering from ex-McCain Campaign staffers and FOX is going into overdrive over all the latest Palin rumours and Republican power postitioning. -
Been reading this thread for the hell of it. Not American so I've got nothing to do with your voting process. But let's clarify what this whole 'choice' thing is about homosexuality. When Christian beliefs state that homosexuality is a choice, what it really should accurately mean is that living a homosexual lifestyle and engaging in homosexual sex is a choice. Not that homosexual inclinations are a choice. For example I as a heterosexual may be attracted to redheads, another may like asian women, another will prefer women with big tits. But for whatever reason we may not understand why this is specifically so. Just that we're sexually attracted to that sort of partner. We've no control or choice over these preferences. Much in the same sense a homosexual is for reasons beyond their control sexually attracted to people of the same sex. They've no control over this. Their preference is not a choice.
However, just because you're a homosexual doesn't mean you automatically wake up with some other guy's dick in your ass or vice versa or whatever. You CHOOSE to give in to that sexual urge, you CHOOSE to have sex and CHOOSE to give consent to it. Much in the same way when heterosexuals see someone they are sexually attracted to, they can CHOOSE to have sex with them. The choice lies with giving in to that inclination. A homosexual can therefpre choose to practice a homosexual lifestyle and have homo sex. Or just the same he or she can choose not to and can either take psychologically counseling to try and change or live chastely. This last part is not an easy one. It's sad that many Christians are so spiteful of homosexuals. The truth is that we're all the same. Sinners. Christians that condemn homosexuals when they themselves mistreat the sacrament of marriage, have affairs, masturbate, look at porn, use contraceptives, etc. are no different and if homosexuals are going to hell then they'll find themselves right there alongside them. Being heterosexual will not save them if they too abuse marriage and disrespect the reproductive end of sexuality.There is no difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals. From the Christian perspective we're all sinners and that's the only equality we share. Heterosexuals have long abused the privalege of marriage and themselves need reform before they start telling homosexuals what to do. If they do not lead by example then what incentives do homosexuals have for taking them seriously? Or any other sexual relationship for that matter? It's interesting that people have mentioned pedophilia... Those supporting homosexuality are also as vehemently against pedophilia, but I ask you this... Do you actually think someone will just wake up one morning and go, "You know what... I think I'm going to start being sexually attracted to children today. I'm going to become a minority of people that are the most hated on the planet, more so than homosexuals..." You really think that's what happens? No, it's ridiculous. Much like heterosexuals and homosexuals, pedophiles and pedarests also have no choice about this inclination. As anyone ever tried to understand what they must feel like? What they must go through? I'm not making an appeal for pedophilia here, but these people are human beings just like we are. For whatever reason they too have no choice in that matter... but they can CHOOSE to go out there and physically have sex with a child. It is not temptations that God judges us on, but on our action. Our choices in the face of what to do with these inclinations. Either follow them or not give in to them. If anyone has been paying attention, there indeed are pedophiles out there trying to argue for their rights and some recognition. And they are intent on following the gay rights movement model to try and get what they want. Of course they're not arguing for being allowed access to children, but for some access to legal forms of pornography and what not. Fringe groups like NAMBLA and stuff but they're there and insist that if we allow state recognition for homosexuals then logically something should be done for them. Whether you agree with them or not, that's what they're arguing. So anyway I simply want to illustrate the idea that simply allowing rights on the basis of inclinations that we have no control over isn't a sound argument. I know I'm not able to change anyone's views here, it rightly requires a religious conversion as it will always come back down to who makes the law, God who is the creator, or if you don't believe in Him then it's up to men. I've chosen where I would rather place my faith. You must also do the same and then we will have to live with our decisions. But I wll also add that as far as homosexuals wanting marriage rights as being about 'equality' with heterosexuals. It's an odd thing when technically homosexuals already have access to the same rights heterosexuals share, for example a homosexual man can choose to marry a woman and have children and all the benefits, so what you really mean is the creation of entirely new rights where none existed before for an entirely new sort of union. However this union will never be identical to heterosexuality for all the obvious reasons.And to speak about 'love.' For some reason people today seem to equate love as being the same as fucking. This is not how Christians see it. You're free to love whomever you want. But you're not free to have sex with whomever you want. As an extreme example a father may love his daughter very much but it's no justification for legalizing incest. Love and sex isn't the same thing. And you don't need to fuck someone just to show you love them. There are many ways to show love for one another. I'd say that often it is necessary to resist urges and inclinations and by controlling ourselves that we can show someone we love them. So even if a father feels sexually attracted to his child through no choice of his own, by choosing to not give in and to seek help for his disposition he would then truly be showing love for his child by not doing something that is wrong. And from the Christian perspective I would also encourage the same for homosexuals as well as heterosexuals. A society so obsessed with sex in this fallen and aids and STD ridden world isn't a good idea. Not to mention the undesire for children eventually makes us a selfish people who are only interested in it for pleasure's sake and the more we become entrenched in it the less we appreciate the value of each other until sex and love is treated like a commodity, but perhaps we're already too far down that road. Well, for what it's worth I hope this has been enlightening for some of you. -
... producer of the excellent and famed U-Tube series: "Why People Laugh at Creationist"? You sound just like him. {;-)
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where did you get such a creative nick and what does it mean exactly?
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Your thinking is all fucked up. Sorry you have been brainwashed all these years. Christians are such massive hypocrites its fucking disgusting. When they leave this Earth, they should be happy thinking back on all the hatred they spread. We've been talking quite a bit about history today. One tradition I'd like to bring back is feeding Christians to lions.
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And even if lack of monogamy is a choice--and I'm pretty sure there are some folks who might disagree with you--who the fuck are you to tell three people that love each other that they can't get married? I'm curious.
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I mean a federal police force.
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Dogmatic Christian Hogwash. You'd be better off peddling your mythology somewhere that the majority of participants agree with you.
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Hmm, I can either live a nice quiet life with a woman who pleases my parents and a marriage that is sanctioned by the church and all of society. Or I can be disowned by my parents and be a member of an ostracized and maligned minority that is persecuted by 1/2 the world's religions, and be subject to ridicule and violence by total strangers. Yeah, I would "choose" the second one.
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"God created everything (so say the Christians, and I beleive that at least). Ergo, God created homosexuals. Therefore, gay people are as much a part of God's Creation as straight people - ergo, in the sight of God, gay people are as holy and beloved and sacred as those of us who go the straight way."
This is actually wrong and misinformed. The Christian faith and the Bible teaches that God created the world perfect and intended things to be ordered a certain way, one of them being that sexual union and marriage is only between a man and a woman. However Adam and Eve disobeyed God and so the perfect world they lived in turned into a fallen state where now there was death and vulnerability and being without God's grace would eventually be tempted to give themselves up to sins that are unnatural things that go against the nature that God intended and such things would accelerate our destruction. Thus homosexuality is a result of the fall. Whether through sinful decisions or a genetic defect that was not present at the beginning of creation. So God did not create homosexuals. However He loves them just the same in spite of what they do just as He loves all His children though we all sin. And the Old Testament is foundational to Christianity and a whole and necessary part of our faith. The reason for Christ's sacrifice was to free us from the Fall that happened in Genesis. It is advisable to know these basic things before engaging in any such discussion... for your own sake... -
... a significant number of Catholic priests feel about pedophilia and how their Church deals with them haven't we? See what happens when some people try to live a moral lifestyle in denial of their sexual proclivities?
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By all means, continue following your religious beliefs about homosexuality and love. However, the discussion here has nothing to do with religion – it has to do with our countries recognition of a group of people to be allowed to do something that millions of other people have the right to do. Our country was founded on the idea that everyone should be treated fairly and equally under the eyes of the law. By having marriages as something recognized by the state, and not letting gays partake in that institution, you are excluding and infringing on their rights as citizens. Yes, marriage is not a right, BUT being treated equal is a right. We have heard the arguments from before that gays are allowed to marry, just not to each other. But that makes their marriages shams (just like everyone else’s), and denies them the choice of whom do they want to enter a union with. As I have said so earlier, marriage is no longer about the legitimacy of the father, so the fact that gays can’t naturally produce children is a moot point. It is now about love and sharing your life with the person you love, and for our country to deny people the privilege of doing that based completely on their sexual orientation is just plain wrong.
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I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. NOWHERE did I say civil unions are the same as marriage. Either you didn't read my posts on the matter or you have very little in the way of reading comprehension. Maybe you and wenchy can workshop together.
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This whole "Gay thoughts are not a choice, but acting out on them is....." bullshit is a joke. This must be a recent evolution of the Christian view on gays to justify the Evangelist Ministers constantly caught doing blow off of male escorts dicks. Like good old Ted Haggard, we all remember him. The biggest Televangelist scam artist that admitted to hiring a male prostitute. Of course his nutcase followers accept him back lovingly after he breaks down and says "I GAVE INTO THE DEVIL'S TEMPTATION!!! I AM A SINNER" And its genius if you think about it. He's able to get his cult following back, while still slamming gay behavior as the devil's work. And now he appears "More human" and "Vulnerable" to his congregation. Like we're all battling the evil on a daily basis. That evil known as HOMOSEXUALITY!! OOOOOOOOHH AAAAAAAAWWWW. FUCK OFF man. You're pathetic. You're argument is the same tired bullshit all of you pricks spout. You're interchangeable, you all say the same shit over and over. BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA. Why don't you get your own lines? Isn't it boring following the same tired gay hating script?
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Wenchy, it wasn't your argument that was exhausting, it was your mischaracterization of mine. Now I have streakerfreak to contend with anyway, so if you want to start up again, you might as well, hahaha.
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... and the world will end with Ragnarok... Whole lotta people believed that shit as well Johnno...
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Yes that is what the Christians believe, but what us who are not Christians? Are we to have the laws of this country changed to fit one group of people’s religious beliefs? The reason we have a secular government is so we have laws based on reason and logic, not based on “divine inspiration” so that one religion can become the dominant one. You can be a Christian, and more power to you, but don’t use your religion as the basis for what the rest of the country should do and how we should interpret the law. When you use laws based on religion and cannot back them up with logical, critical thinking you create a theocracy. Thomas Paine said it best “Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law. Take away the law-establishment, and every religion re-assumes its original benignity” and “Of all the tyrannies that afflict mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst. Every other species of tyranny is limited to the world we live in, but this attempts a stride beyond the grave and seeks to pursue us into eternity.”
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...I don't think the actual message of Jesus and all that is actually bad. There is clearly some good stuff there. Its the followers that are severely fucked in the head. In all honesty-- if Jesus could see the world today and what his supposed followers did with his religion, he would probably be disgusted and brought to tears. The genuinely evil nature of so many Christians have put that faith right in the shitter.
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Did I start this way up there Danny when I said I was disgusted with what happened in California and you ran with it?Johhno, that's the most messed up thing I've read all day.
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I'm sorry that you hate Christians so much that you want to support our genocide. As I made clear I was explaining the Christian perspective. Of course there are many things that can be delved into in more detail but it could fill numerous books. We have quite a lot of well reasoned arguments for what we believe you know? I encourage you to spend some time finding out what the Church teaches today. Pope John Paul II wrote a lot on these matters. You can try looking up 'Theology of the body' and 'Love and Responsibility.' The world and human beings are not a simple black and white case. It is complex and filled with difficulties. If my thinking is 'fucked up' you'd have to clarify where it is faulty but perhaps you are simply saying that simply because it is in stark opposition with yours. But maybe you're prejudicial beliefs about what you think Christianity is and what Christians are is so ingrained that to be confronted by this simply stuns you. Although Christians ourselves are partly to blame for we are human too and prone to hatred and irrational fears and misunderstandings. I beg your forgiveness for this. But we stand firm by our faith and invite you to consider trying to understand it.
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Yeah. This has been going on for about four and a half hours. Haha.
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I actually own a copy of it and read it regularly. Jesus was an amazing philosopher and I agree with many of his teachings. I do not, however, believe he was the Son of God or that he was divine. The problem I have with the majority of Christians is that the worry to much about the Messenger (whether Jesus is the son of God and the Messiah, and that you have taken him as your savior) and not enough about the Message (love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek, etc.).
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I just want 25 of your most intolerant leaders to be thrown in a pit with starving lions. Thats all.
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Yes, it is Dogmatic and Christian. I suppose I could toss out applicable words for whatever life philosophy you adhere to, but y'know... Besides, on what grounds did you decide that your beliefs and opinions are the only ones worth considering here?
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I'm not a hateful/prejudice/judgmental person at all. Christians started the game way back. You are a disgusting, intolerant, hateful breed and the world would be a much better play without your twisted way of thinking. I get real fucking angry in response to intolerance. So yes-- I say some pretty outlandish things. But the shit Christians put out there blows my fucking mind. And again-- if there was a real Jesus able to see what the Christian Right has become, he would be absolutely disgusted, there is no doubt in my mind.
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As my previous post tries to describe it. Having homosexual inclunations (homosexual attraction) is not a choice. Nobody has direct control over these things. However they do have free will to decide how to react to it. Thus decisions to have sex with someone and celebrate such a lifestyle is indeed a choice. And besides, why is it so surprising that anyone would do something they know they'll be looked down on for? I mean, some people know that their peers and relatives will look down on them for looking at pornography or doing drugs and being an alcoholic, but many still do it! It is simply that the inclination or temptation to do certain things is so strong that people do all sorts of things all the time despite knowing that society objects to certain behaviors. It's our fallen human naure, and we always try to get away with it if we can. We do it in secrecy, or sometimes we try to convince ourselves that it's alright and then go on to accuse others views of being wrong and attempt to find legitimacy.Anyway boys, I've got to sleep, take care and I pray for America and her people and that your new President will be a blessing.
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Yes by all means get the "basic things" straight about the Bible. It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that homosexuality was a result of "the fall". There's a difference between Church dogma, your interpretation and the actual text.
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... you'll feel better about yourself.
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You think having non consensual sex with your kids and having consensual sex with somebody of the same gender is same in the eyes of the god? And the same in the eyes of the state?
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And I do not think my beliefs are correct and everyone else is dead wrong. I think everyone is welcome to their own religious beliefs and that is perfectly fine. But the minute you start inciting hatred toward others-- thats when the acceptance goes bye bye and I say FUCK YOU and your way of thinking. It violates the very teachings of Christ. Completely fabricating the meaning of Bible versus to fit your idealogical agenda....writing all new material (The Rapture) and claiming it is solid Christian canon. In my eyes its fucking sacrilege. Anyone who condones this shit is a fake ass motherfucker and a disgrace to the real teachings of Christ.
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...but shouldn't churches, who have a right to their opinion of course, loose their tax exempt status if they're now fully in the business of politics and recommending ways for their members to vote?Apparently, the measure was defeated primarily by the push of Christian ministers. I think that's perfectly fine (again, all opinions welcome) but if you espouse your opinion from the pulpit and it actually makes for policy, then you should be paying taxes like the rest of us.My 2sense...
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I am the Lord Almighty.
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You're the only one that's brought up "Genocide" on this thread, in reference to Christians or otherwise.
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You can bring up all the facts, science, history, logic and sound arguments you want, and all they have to do is quote some words that the Invisible Man in the sky said several thousand years ago and that trumps everything in their opinion.
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... "Genocide" correctly. What exactly do think "Genocide" means?
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Thats why I never try to argue the merits of religious. I say fine...believe whatever the hell you want. Thats fine and dandy. The minute you start with the intolerance bullshit-- you're done. You have no reason to exist.
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... "But we stand firm by our faith and invite you to consider trying to understand it." We DO understand it, and many of us have utterly rejected the way it's been practiced down through the ages and the atrocity committed in the name of it's moral superiority. I defy you to find anyone here that would say that the teachings of Jesus Christ are a bad thing.
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...like I said-- the teachings of Jesus are great. It's his followers that are severely fucked in the skull.
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While his teaching migh not be bad, Jesus' carpentry skills were much to be desired.
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We're on the same side on this issue. But it's enormously funny to me that you say "the minute you start with the intolerance bullshit--you're done. You have no reason to exist." Don't you see the disparity in that statement?
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... on what grounds did you decide that your beliefs and opinions are the only ones worth considering here?" Excuse me Johnno, but *I* haven't claimed moral superiority here, merely an opinion.
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I do. And I also understand the seemingly hypocritical nature of viciously attacking those who oppose equal gay rights. I'm asking them to accept a group while I won't give their viewpoint the time of day. I understand the bemusement this could cause. But the issue is, my hatred is a reflex to their original stance. It does not exist independently. They create it.
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It has pretty much now a center-left group who pretty much agree on Obama, religion, gay rights and other matters. It is losing the fun. I think I'll take a little break and hopefully a bigoted, Obama-hating, homophobic religious zealot ditto-head will appear and start mouthing off.
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Hope to see you around. Peace.
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Who am I to say no to polygamy? I don't know. What I do know is there is a difference between two people who want to share their life together, remain faithful to one another, and enjoy full legal status and polygamy. But, and I think it's a brilliant idea, I think it would be best to leave marriage to churches and civil unions (gay and straight) should be under the auspices of the government.
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Marriage is supposed to be a sacred unity between a man and a women. Well with the divorce rate at 50%, infidelity, and spouse beating among others, I'd say that the hetero-religious fuckheads have put a shit stain on this so called pure marriage crap. Is that what you call marriage?
And when you add religion to it homosexuality is unholy. So laws are enforced to control people's lives and mold them to your warped way of thinking because some fucked in the head religious freaks claim homosexuality is unholy based on a fairy tale, make believe bearded dude in the sky. WTF! All you waste of cum morons share the blood of the "burn em at the stake" murders.
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Ok. Let's talk about abortion. That'll bring in the loons.
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... one last thing and I'm outta here, (referring to Coughdrop): "YOU GRANITE-HEADED FUCKWIT!!!!! LMAO.
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Did you do this you wanker?? This is bollocks! I'm going to 1776 your ass: http://www.cn n.com/2008/TECH/11/06/campaign.computers.hacked/index.html
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Here's a man who would not take it anymore, who would not let--
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Well that's basically what you said below. Oh by the way love the insults. Glad we could have a civil discussion.
"If marriage is a religious ceremony, then people SHOULD have to go to a church to get married. Maybe churches could be required to do marriages at an affordable rate - not exclusively, they could still do their stupid-ass gala events - but there could be a quickie rate comparable to what the state would charge. That way, anyone who wants to get married could go to a church and do it. If you don't want to go to church then I would assume you're not religious and thus missing out on this religious rite should be no skin off your nose. You go to city hall and get your civil union hook-up. Both have the same legal rights, and churches can make their own decisions. Voila!" -
and you should too! Besides, if you don't I will smite you all.
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Here's a man who would not take it anymore, a man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is someone who stood up...for gay rights.
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... lol. TTFN
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You have to wrap them in electrical tape so they don't explode when you fuck them.
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Uh...I just heard Palin mistook Africa for a country, as opposed to a continent. I wanted to point and laugh with others of my left-wing liberal tree-hugging tribe. Am I in the wrong TB? Guess I need to get back in class.
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So thrilled that the Dow had its two worst consecutive days since 1987. Now we know Barry's market value: about -10%
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So, apologize. You did in fact use the term "Genocide" correctly in the context of your post. But, again, no one else was saying anything about "Genocide" before you brought it up.
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I would want DannyGlover'sDickBlood to be my press secretary. Reporter: We found instances where the President-- Dickblood: You will refer to him by his full name, you fucking cunt!! Sir President Ayatollah Malloy! Eat a Dick! Reporter: DickBlood, I'm so sorr-- Dickblood: That's Sir Press Secretary Ayatollah Dick Blood to you fuckwad! Choke on a bag of dicks in your mouth!! Reporter: Excuse me. As I was saying, it's been reported Sir President Ayatollah Malloy has lied about the war in-- Dickblood: Sir President Ayatollah Malloy doesn't lie you ignorant racist fucktard! I will cut off your dick and shove them down your homophobic throat you dick!!!
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I believe in admitting when I'm wrong. So, *I* apologize. You did in fact use the term "Genocide" correctly in the context of your post. But, again, no one else was saying anything about "Genocide" before you brought it up.
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... than to encourage you Terry! {;-)
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"Who am I to say no to polygamy? I don't know. What I do know is there is a difference between two people who want to share their life together, remain faithful to one another, and enjoy full legal status and polygamy."
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FIRST BITCHES!
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You're missing the big point. Doesn't matter if you're Christian, Athiest, black, white, gay, or straight. There's moderate, and for lack of a better word, independent, in those, and every group. However problems usually emerge from people in those groups who operate and cling to said groups out of fear for anything different. Those people that are far to the left, or right, are essentially the same kind of person. And unfortunately those people, mostly for boldness sake, are the leaders of their particular party. It's a lot easier to have the huddled masses latch onto a simple, hard driving, black and white message, then a free thinking, moderate, gray one. Prime example; Bush. However beyond all that it just comes down to basic simple math, and evolution. When something new is usually introduced it's met with fear. Then comes hate. After that resignation to the fact that it's staying. What follows next is tolerance, and then after a while just flat out acceptance. But if you'll notice the one thing this pattern follows, is an increase in the variable. Whether it's race, or sexuality, the last 100 years have shown as the minority increases, the majority evolves. What I think we saw with Obama, just besides the fact it made a lot of people have hope, and be proud to declare themselves Americans again, was a bubbling over of something that had been building in this country for a while. And it wasn't just based on race, or on the changing of the old guard, or hatred for this current administration... In my opinion it was the majority finally catching up to the minority, or vice versa.
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At least you've been polite, intelligent and forthright about your beliefs. Then you took me on about Christian dogma. Oh boy...
Firstly, the whole Adam & Eve and The Fall thing - even from the perespective of a writer and dramatist, this allegorical story is just plain stupid. Why lpace the Tree of Knowledge, where Man can become like God, within reach of Man in the first place? The dogmatic answer is that it was put there as a test, to see if we'd go for it. Okay, so why allow a (by now) Fallen Angel into what was a perfect Eden? And if Lucifer wasn't fallen at this point, do you not think God would know that Lucifer would tempt Adam & Eve, given that He's, you know, omnipotent? And if He DID know, then He's in league with Lucifer, using the Morningstar as His instrument of temptation. So basically free will comes down to the first two humans acting like guinea pigs in a cage, with two choices: go near the tree, eat its fruit and be damned forever more, or don't go near the fruit, knowing that it is the only thing they knew NOTHING about - ergo forbidden in this context meaning hidden knowledge, the Gnostic interpretation - and they could live in blessed boredom for the rest of eternity, with that temptation forever there in the corner.
From a storytelling perspective, that makes no sense whatsoever from a being that is omniscient, omnipotent and can see the outcome of EVERYTHING before it happens. In fact, it's downright sadistic. The Genesis story is flawed in many human ways, which merely indicates it's an early attempt by an intelligent person to make sense of how it all began - nothing more.
Interesting point: Did you know that at the end of Revelations, Jesus says "I am the bright morning star"? Same translation of the same words used to describe Lucifer in Genesis. The Gnostics had a field day with that...
The New Testament tells that Jesus was created to die for our sins - ALL of them, to the end of time itself - because we could not stick to the Old Covenant, which were all the rules given in the Old Testament - basically the Torah (foundation of the Jewish faith). So, because we were shit at following the 10 Commandments plus the other however-many-there-were, we had to be forgiven by going through Jesus Christ. So far, so good. So why all the attention on the Old Covenant, which was rendered null and void by th4e death of Jesus - who by His own admission is now the only path to salvation? EVERYTHING before the four Gospels is now only history - there is NOTHING there for a Christian to follow - NOTHING. Including all the hateful crap about stoning witches, adulterers and homosexuals, which still happens in some delightful Middle Eastern countries (this week's stoning: Somalia).
And on the whole "not acting on those sinful homosexual temptations" thing... I think DannyGlover'sDickBlood rather crudely but effectively covers that. Hypocrisy of the highest order, particularly beloved of Catholic priests and American evangelists. I felt so much better when I realised it was normal to think about Gillian Anderson and jack myself off something fierce back in the day, rather than keep it in my pants and not fear Hell so much. Shed that guilt about your God-given penis, and move on! The doctrine of Hell was invented in the 16th century by a church fearful of keeping its patrons in line and needing something to stop the lower classes from rising up and challenging the rich priests, who didn't want to lose their ill-gotten gains. Thus Hell was invented, and the avoidance of it - coupled with that altruistic-but-not-really desire to get into Heaven - kept the long-suffering lower classes in line, by telling them that though they may suffer in this world, they will be rewarded in the next. About the time this was recorded, pigs flew past the still-wet ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.
Christianity is a beautiful religion, which has its good points and bad points, and is as fallible as every other ideology in the world. The words Jesus spoke - and NOTHING ELSE - in the Bible are more than sufficient to live by, and as a Christian I take His words as my guide and NOTHING ELSE. The twisting of Christ's philosophy by the violent ex-Christian hunter Paul (formerly Saul) is an excellent indication of how early heresy began in the Church.
Treat everything in the Bible as either history lesson, bedtime story, or advice to be thought of carefully, intelligently and with discernment, and the Bible is an exceptional guide to help you through life. If you consider every word to be God-given, absolute truth and completely untouched by human hand, then your IQ will fall through the floor, you will lose all critical faculties, the ability to have ANY empathy whatsoever with your fellow man, and eventually you'll find yourself supporting such abhorrent practices such as the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians from a so-called "Christian" perspective, and justifying the Israeli attacks as not only sanctioned by the Good Book because God told Joshua to go steal Canaan for the Hebrews (and also rape all the women - yes, it says so), but because an apocalyptic war in the Middle East will herald the coming of the Anti-Christ. At this point, you will be a fully-fledged wingnut apocalyptionist millenialist eschaton-seeking madman who is to the Christian faith what Osama Bin Laden is to Islam. And GOD HELP YOU if you ever get that far.
Beleive me, I am praying for you, Johnno, because you have a very long walk in Christ ahead of you. Bless you and crack on.
The rest of y'all... I'm bunged up with man-flu so I'm out. Lights down in the SPud household in merrie olde England. Have fun and catch you on the sunny side ;D -
Why polygamy won't work:
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Only what you wrote in the subject line but i'm sure it was a lovely retort. When my computer isn't ducked up i'll read it.
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"And I also understand the seemingly hypocritical nature of viciously attacking those who oppose equal gay rights. I'm asking them to accept a group while I won't give their viewpoint the time of day. I understand the bemusement this could cause. But the issue is, my hatred is a reflex to their original stance. It does not exist independently. They create it."
I was going to ask you about this until TerryMalloy beat me to it. Well put, though technically you STILL can't insist on someone taking on your views if you won't take on theirs. But I also accept that you are DGDB, and if I push this, you'll hand me a bag of dicks and tell me to eat them. So, like it or not, bless you sir, for your forthright and erudite observations. You've livened up a long and bloody TB.
TerryMalloy, keep this insanity going. It's all on you, now.
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Nov 06, 2008 5:38:04 PM CST
Now That's A Head That Should Be In The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
by pr1c3y
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Is that the record yet?
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I don't see how I insulted you. I did use the "f" word, but not in an insulting way. It was more exasperated. As for my assessment that you didn't read or didn't understand my posts, I stand by it.
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That's right, it went down 800 points in two days because of frickin' OBAMA ... It's not like there's anything else goign on to react to or anything. Goofball.
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and with some points too.
Interesting how society differentiates between civil union and marriage isn't it. Perhaps there should be a referendum to see if people care anymore that one word means the union between two people, and the other means the union between a man and a woman.
From that I'd actually prefer to be civil unioned, because it's a far more all-encompassing term. I'd say more enlightened, but perhaps that's just me.
If after a referendum the people voted that marriage was to remain for men & women only, I'd leave it be. Society hath spoken and in a democracy that's the end of it until the next referendum.
But if a referendum was held and people voted for marriage to mean the same thing as civil union, would that be enough for you Snake?
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Nov 06, 2008 6:28:15 PM CST
All the people of the world, or all the people in America?
by snake foreskin
Would that be the 37% of Americans that actually vote, or every man woman and child in the country being invovled? And how would that work, exactly?
Would everyone who is married now also be automatically "civil unioned"? Or vice versa? Then I am afraid we'd be back to square one, wouldn't we? I don't know. It's all so confusing.
I think I may just go back to being a lurker on here. The past few days have been intense for me. And my mullet. Sometimes it's more fun to sit back and read the goofiness without actually becoming embroiled in it. I mean, some of the guys on here are ripping each other to shreds when they actually are in agreement, just cause they don't have good reading comprehension. It's hilarious!
And then, of course, I stand a much better chance of keeping my membership if I don't state my opinion. Assholes like Skyway Moaters would probably flip their shit if they didn't have me to threaten with the ban hammer.
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I think thats great, cause lets face it, the Christian god is a sadistic, cruel, fucking BASTARD. I mean, he set the whole universe up as a kind of torture chamber / gulag, demands full obedience at all times, and will punish you forever in a lake of hellfire for breaking his rules because he "love" us? FUCK THAT! The only sane response to such a despot is rebellion! Jesus represents that rebellion pretty well, and in that, is much more in line with Lucifer than Yahweh the mad space god. I mean, of course, its all just fairy tales, myths, and nonsense, but those stories and symbols are pretty cool if you don't take them seriously and look at them more as a form of folk tale, art, or storytelling.
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The burden of proof is really on you to show me how it is reasonable that allowing gays to marry will then allow polygamists to marry. "Even if this concern had a rational basis, a simpler solution to this problem would be to propose a constitutional amendment banning polygamy--which would be easily ratified--rather than fooling around with an anti-gay constitutional amendment that only one-third of Americans support." Secondly, there isn't a magical difference. You're right. Your argument is the slippery slope argument, but the "worst case" scenario isn't really all that bad I guess. Definitely worth the risk. It's a separate issue and the pros/cons should be considered separately.
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Express your opinion. It's just a lion's den in here.
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Abortion is a terrible thing, but making it illegal for a woman to get an abortion is wrong. What are you going to do, throw her in jail in shackles?
I know, why not go all balls out on the proper education required to teach young ones about sex. What are these stupid Republicants worried about? "Ouuuu, it's immoral to talk about this to our youth. Sex education in schools is bad. It's my choice what should be told to my children." Well guess what you stupid fucks you aren't doing your job, 750,000 teens get pregnat every year. I rather have some offended kids from the content of the message then have unwanted children brought into this world. Then a lot of them have a rough upbringing and carry on the same stupid shit. The stupid parents are to blame.
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I'm in Australia, so we all vote or we get fined.
I figure if you don't vote or place a protest vote of neither here nor there then you're fine with the outcome regardless.
And the referendum would be for marriage to mean the union between two people. Would Snake be ok with that if a referendum were held and people voted yes? Sorry for any confusion but this is as easy a solution as I can give. -
The first time I heard of another option on this was today which is simply allowing people to engage in whatever consensual relationships they want, getting "married" by churches or other groups, having legal rights or drawing up contracts themselves for the division of assets but the state not formally legitimizing anyone.
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all the California Supreme Court had to say about why its decision would not necessarily lead it to declare a constitutional right to polygamy:
We emphasize that our conclusion that the constitutional right to marry properly must be interpreted to apply to gay individuals and gay couples does not mean that this constitutional right similarly must be understood to extend to polygamous or incestuous relationships. Past judicial decisions explain why our nation’s culture has considered the latter types of relationships inimical to the mutually supportive and healthy family relationships promoted by the constitutional right to marry. (See, e.g., Reynolds v. United States (1878) 98 U.S. 145, 165-166; Davis v. Beason (1890) 133 U.S. 333, 341; People v. Scott (2007) 157 Cal.App.4th 189, 192-194; State v. Freeman (Ohio Ct.App. 2003) 801 N.E.2d 906, 909; Smith v. State (Tenn.Crim.App. 1999) 6 S.W.3d 512, 518-520.) Although the historic disparagement of and discrimination against gay individuals and gay couples clearly is no longer constitutionally permissible, the state continues to have a strong and adequate justification for refusing to officially sanction polygamous or incestuous relationships because of their potentially detrimental effect on a sound family environment. (Accord, e.g., Potter v. Murray City (C.D. Utah 1984) 585 F.Supp. 1126, 1137-1140, affd. (10th Cir. 1985) 760 F.2d 1065, 1068-1071, cert. den. (1985) 474 U.S. 849; People v. Scott, supra, 157 Cal.App.4th 189, 193-194.) Thus, our conclusion that it is improper to interpret the state constitutional right to marry as inapplicable to gay individuals or couples does not affect the constitutional validity of the existing legal prohibitions against polygamy and the marriage of close relatives.
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But it is a separate issue. All the objections to it should be considered separate from gay marriage.
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You think YOU have problems?
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Nov 06, 2008 7:02:23 PM CST
EXCELLENT POINT, AMY CHASING. MAKE CIVIL UNIONS OPTION FOR ALL
by bringingsexyback
Gay or straight, you can opt to be civilly united or married. Both statuses would engender the same rights as the other. No different connotations for either option, just a different label. Sounds like a plan.
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it should've been McCain/Palin? That stocks would've blasted up and then after McCain dies in office, Palin blasts us all to Kingdom Come fuck anyway, 'cause she loves her Lord. Of course, this would be after herding all non-believers, dissenters and such into camps.
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Wall Street tumbled again on Thursday, as retail sales numbers and jobless claims worried investors that the economy is in a deep recession.
The U.S. Labor Department posted new claims for unemployment benefits dipped by 4,000 to a seasonally adjusted level of 481,000last week, which have run above 400,000 for 16 weeks. Economists regard the figure above 400,000 as a recessionary level. Moreover, long-term claims jumped to 3.84 million, the highest level in 25 years.
Meanwhile, retailers reported disappointing October sales numbers, showing consumers are reducing their spending. Wal-Mart Stores Inc. reported a better-than-expected 2.4 percent rise in October sales at stores open for at least a year. But Limited Brands, Gap Inc. and Macy's reported worse-than-expected sales. Even discounters such as Target and Costco posted weak numbers.
Shares of Cisco Systems Inc., the world's largest maker of networking equipment, fell sharply as the company forecast the first revenue decline in five years. -
I was being sarcastic.
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An ex-coworker is now serving time in prison for choosing to have sex with his (then) eight year old step-daughter. The guy was a real stud and used to date some total babes...and I mean knock-out voluptuous women. Please don't tell me he didn't choose to engage in pedophilia because he couldn't help it. He admitted to planning the whole thing out (fake marriage)in his confession. O yes, he choose alright.Question: Since hetero and homo couples can engage in pretty much the same types of sexual activity (with one obvious exception), is it the Sodomite stigma from the Bible for the acts themselves or just that they are the same sex? I mean, poo-stabbing is, well, y'know the same for either one, right?Guess: I bet you get pretty excited like every guy I've ever known at the sight of two women making out. I'm thinking you just cringe at the two guys scenario though, right? I certainly acknowledge that I do. I used to have a bandmate who I surprised him and his boyfriend swallowing tongues at rehersal one night. I thought I was going to puke but they were just as embarrased as I was. Still grosses me out but not if they were babes going at it...if you take my meaning. So, are men fucked up or what?
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sorry, 'twas the heat of catching up with this TB, which is far more real-world than a Trek rant or rave here, etc, except for the douche who wouldn't let his sis marry an alien because of the non-earth diseases; duh, we're assuming that's not an issue. I was trying to pick a greek-boy-and-girl relate-to-it example with the marry and alien thing.
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Homophobia actually may be a evolutionary trait to help men compete in sexual competition. I explained above how, according to some evolutionary psychologist, homosexuality might be a mating strategy and help in mating. Well, homophobia to a degree might as well; your homophobic tendencies might prevent gays from getting an advantage when you compete for mates (female ones). And it seems to have been a very successful trait because most men seem to suffer a reaction when they see two men together, so our ancestors most have been able to mate for multiple generations to pass it on to us. Having said that, even though I admit I have homophobic tendencies myself, I don’t think that should be any sort of argument for homophobia or for denying them the right to marry. Humankind is also naturally racist and sexist and self-centered, but we have learned to undo those natural tendencies because we understand it is for the benefit of our society. Just because homophobia exist within us doesn’t mean we have to let it dictate our lives.
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Do you know how big a hit a ban on gay marraige will be in California? Weddings = Big fucking $$$$.
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"The burden of proof is really on you to show me how it is reasonable that allowing gays to marry will then allow polygamists to marry."Um, that's not exactly what I'm saying. I'm saying to discriminate against polygamists is no more justifiable than discriminating against homosexuals. If we are going to allow a broader definition of marriage, it should include polygamy, or it's entirely special interest bullshit. Makes the homosexual absolutely no different than the blacks who voted yes on Prop 8.
"Your argument is the slippery slope argument, but the 'worst case' scenario isn't really all that bad I guess."It;s not a slippery slope argument. There is no rational argument for broadening the definition of marriage to include homosexual but not polygamists. But the slope would stop there. What other legitimately consensual relationship--other than between sentient aliens, I suppose--can one imagine? Children are not at the age of consent--and "age of consent" is an entirely different argument. There are clearly reasons that we would not allow a 30 year old to marry a 13 year old. There is a reason we have an "age of consent". Not to mention, statutory rape.If you support gay marriage but oppose polygamy, you are essentially making the same argument that those against gay marriage do--that there is no fundamental different between a familial relationship between three or more consenting adults and, say, some nutburger who wants to marry a hamster or some pervert who wants to marry a twelve year old. And, right now, polygamy is a crime. Folks can go to jail for it. If we are going to expand the definition of marriage beyond the marriage of one man and one woman, it should expand to embrace that only other variety of defacto marriage there is: polygamy.
But to be clear, I'm not saying gay marriage will lead to polygamy--I'm saying it's unfair and hypocritical to embrace monogamous homosexual relationships and then say polygamists are unnatural and don't deserve legal recognition of their perverted relationships. I'm also not saying it's a slippery slope--polygamy is the end of the slope. Even if the law changed to recognize human-animal marriages, what would that do except help us better identify the clinically insane? And there's a big difference between expanding the definition of marriage to embrace all likely forms of human romantic/familial arrangements and allowing juveniles to enter into binding, life-changing contracts. I'm just a big fan of Big Love. I think polygamists get a raw deal. That's all I'm saying. And most modern day polygamists are bastard Mormon sects, and don't think gay people should get married. I think they're also on the hypocritical side of the issue. -
. . . CBS cancelled The Ex List. Same thing happened when ABC cancelled My So-Called Life. When will the television networks realize that their actions have consequences?
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Stock market. Job numbers. Bank failures. Russia putting missiles somewhere. Whatever Hezbolla did today. Heck, if it was good enough for W., it's good enough for Obama.
If we learned nothing else from the Bush presidency, we learned that there are buttons in the Oval Office that make all this happen, and Obama has obviously been sneaking in there and pressing them. Or Bush is doing it and saying. "Wasn't me! Musta been that Obama character. You know, I was briefing him the other day . . ."
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Stock market. Job numbers. Bank failures. Russia putting missiles somewhere. Whatever Hezbolla did today. Heck, if it was good enough for W., it's good enough for Obama.
If we learned nothing else from the Bush presidency, we learned that there are buttons in the Oval Office that make all this happen, and Obama has obviously been sneaking in there and pressing them. Or Bush is doing it and saying. "Wasn't me! Musta been that Obama character. You know, I was briefing him the other day . . ."
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I blame Safari. Or Apple. Or Obama. It certainly wasn't my fault.
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What I wouldn't give to have Ginnifer Goodwin aronud the house in a schoolgirl outfit. Yes, I've expressed that desire with my significant other and she doesn't blame me for it - she loves that show too.
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"It's hard enough to keep ONE woman happy. You want to add MORE? Are you INSAAAAAANE?!?!?"
Not me. I think polygamists are either insane, or have the patience of Job, or are much better at certain things--and much richer--than me. This is not an argument for polygamy for my personal benefit, as I would imagine most of the folks supporting gay marriage here are not, themselves, gay. -
I have to agree with kevinwillis.net here and say that they should also allow polygamy. I will say there is one big difference between the two: while gay marriage would exist as an expression of two people’s love and commitment to each other, polygamy throughout history has been used mostly for a man to produce more children. So, while one is an issue of romance and love, the other is almost exclusively for breeding.
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Nov 06, 2008 8:13:39 PM CST
ACTUALLY THE BLAME RULE IS YOU BLAME THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION
by bringingsexyback
Just like Clinton and the Dems are to blame for 9/11 and the mortgage meltdown, everything that will happen in the next 8 years can be pinned on Bush and the Reps. After that, it's all the Messiah's fault.
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I'm really not advocating polygamy as a lifestyle. It might work out all right if your Hugh Hefner. But, otherwise, no. But I personally have zero interest in gay marriage. I've been married sixteen years, and I'm still not sure straight marriage is that great an idea.
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What the hell is this story even doing on this site, I thought this was "Ain't it COOL news." Never understood Harry's hard on for BHO - but to each his own - but keep this shit off of here!
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Good thing we've changed the topic to gay marraige.
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About adults who want to enter into consensual relationship arrangements based on what you think they're values are. Is that a rainbow colored Bible you're thumping, there? And based on your value judgments about their motivations, they shouldn't be allowed to give those relationships legal status? BTW, my argument for polygamy is both ways--woman marries two guys, two guys marry three women. When one gets divorced, they get a percentage distribution of assets. Might make health coverage for spouses a little tricky . . .
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Seriously, I would not mind having two wives. Threesomes are fun, I get to be the master, and never have to clean anything.
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Liberals blamed everything that happened--including the weather--on Bush, because he was in the Whitehouse. So, as a conservative, I'm now obligated to blame everything bad that happens on Obama--including bad weather. You libs will blame 8 years of Bush. And, until a Republican is back in the Whitehouse, I won't be blaming the previous administration. When the reanimated corpse of Zombie Reagan is elected in 2016, then I'll start blaming the previous eight years of Obama/Biden on everything bad that happens under Zombie Reagan, such as the new Brain-Eating Initiative, which will clearly be the fault of 8 years of failed Barack Obama policies.
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Nov 06, 2008 8:24:31 PM CST
If We Are Going to Broaden The Definition of Marriage
by kevinwillis.net
It should include polygamy, or it shouldn't be broadened. In fact, it could be revoked entirely, and then nobody is technically married. But, generally, I support the concept of gay marriage and polygamy, but if you aren't interested in doing both, I'm not interested in supporting your cause.And I think it's very egalitarian of me. Because, frankly, I think polygamists are nuts. And I'm not always sure gay people aren't looking a gift horse in the mouth. How many single guys wouldn't have loved to tell their girlfriend, "Man, I really do want to marry you. Really. But it's illegal. So we can't. Sorry. But I really do love you. How about a blowjob?"
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When there is a resource and genetic quality inequity among men (basically, very few good men), women benefit the most by being in a polygamous relationship. Under polygamy, woman can share a rich, handsome man while under monogamy that are forced to marry a loser. And if the resource inequality is large enough, a fraction of his wealth is much better than having the whole of a very poor man (this does not count the most desirable women – they can get the most desirable men under any circumstance, and under polygamy they now have to share them with a less desirable woman – think Angelie having to share Brad with some little tart). Now under monogamy, most men benefit because it means they are able to find a mate. True, less desirable men marry less desirable women but that is better than no one. Once again this is the opposite for the most desirable men: Brad Pitt or Bill Gates would have a harem under polygamy but only one mate under monogamy (but one damn hot wife). So extremely successful and desirable men benefit from polygamy but all men benefit from monogamy.
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Nov 06, 2008 8:29:11 PM CST
WELL, IF OBAMA IS ABLE TO SECURE PEACE AGREEMENTS WITH IRAN
by bringingsexyback
I would give some of the credit to Bush - considering he is now opening a diplomatic office in Tehran. Change came early!!
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...especially your last sentence. I'm just being honest (and goofy) and I certainly have learned to overcome my earlier homophobia.
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I am not making a value judgment, I am simply stating a historic and anthropological fact. Of course, there can be exceptions to this and there can be a loving group of three or four people for all I know. I for one see any sort of arrangement as a cluster fuck (at least that is what I tell my girlfriends).
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a hell of a lot of thought there. You live in Utah or Arizona by any chance?
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But I still think we should take one thing at a time.
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I have some fun stories I'd like to share!
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at the same exact nanosecond. This is a talkback I'll never forget.
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We need Coughling here to give us his expert opinion.
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... is not the equivalent of blaming George W. Bush. I know you're joking, but it seems to me like you're trying to make some point about Bush getting blamed for stuff for which he wasn't responsible. And of course that happened, but I infer your further point is that Bush doesn't deserve a significant portion of the blame he got. I know people demonized the guy to an extent but that doesn't change the fact that he did a few BIG blame-worthy things. Real whoppers. So I hope you don't think bias is at work if Obama doesn't get the exact amount of shit Bush has, because in order to do so, he's have to fuck up more than once, and fuck up big-time.
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Nov 06, 2008 8:40:44 PM CST
BSB, banging a "My Little Pony" does not constitute bestiality
by irrelevntelefant
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That's another one I don't give a shit about. Why should I care if someone wants to be one of two or more wives? As for animals, I don't care about someone marrying their goddamn dog either, though I don't know if it makes sense legally, since dogs can't even sign their names. They don't even have pockets, let's be honest here. They don't wear clothes, except on the Upper East Side.It's ridiculous to bring up marrying 12 year olds, for what I would think should be obvious reasons ...
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...the right has been blaming everything on "liberals (honestly, is that the only word you know?)" since the Gingrich and Reagan years. In fact, you've conditioned yourselves to a similar revulsion over liberals as do men with witnessing homos kissing. So yeah, go attend your big meeting in the Shenandoah Valley and figure out why your movement has run itself into the ground. You've moved so far to the right that a poor guy like McCain is considered (don't gag now) a liberal. Way to hang him out to dry with the VP pick. Try acting like real human beings for a change and stop looking at regular Americans who just happen to be Democrats (Blue ones even, like me) like they are something you have to wipe off the bottom of your shoe. You folks have NOONE to blame but yourselves for your fall from power. That's right, take a long look in the mirror and get over your self-righteous, arrogant and hubristic selves. Then, come back and be just regular Americans first again and conservatives second. We must stand together in this country or we will surely fall down as a country. Goodnight my friends and I'll see you in other TB's...I'm done with politics for a long, long while.
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I've been telling everybody I know that the market plunge is your fault.As for the rest of it, if you're actually responding to what I wrote, then you're kind of dense, aren't you?Which is no doubt Barack Obama's fault, seeing what he's done to public education in this country.
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I guess that means I don't have to hide that DVD anymore ... the shame is gone!!!
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"BSB, banging a 'My Little Pony' does not constitute bestiality'Thank goodness for that. Because there was this one time . . . heh . . . heh . . . um. Yeah.
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"Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" Fuck no. Not even eight years ago. So FUCK YOU to every Republican and a double fuck you if you're a neo-con, too. You all deserve a one-way trip to the phantom zone and I wouldn't shed a tear.
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It's not a human relationship. It's not a consensual relationship. Creatures without a coherent language cannot give consent. There is no legal reason or basis for marriage between animals. And as for marrying kids, that gets into the age of legal consent, which is an entirely separate argument form relationships between informed, consenting adults.
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especially that donkey ass-fuck
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If the majority of a country's population being happy and hopeful politically isn't cool news, I don't know what is.
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little johnny; 'cause you know it ain't a big johnny.
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Where do you stand in this brewing GOP civil war?
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Thanks for the back up ...
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"... is not the equivalent of blaming George W. Bush. I know you're joking"
Thank goodness for that. But there wasn't a single thing that some *progressive* or Democrat pundit didn't blame on Bush. Obviously, there were actual decisions Bush made that had real world consequences, and Obama isn't even in office yet.But he (Bush) was blamed for the stock market tanking every time he held a press conference--so, turnabout is fair play, or at least an entertaining party game. -
I'm on the side of the Extreme Right Wing. Throw the moderates out. I'd also like to ditch the Neecons. No more pre-emptive wars. But I'm definitely in the Rush Limbaugh camp on where the GOP ought to go. For one thing, I am a rock-ribbed conservative. For another, weak and conciliatory candidates--especially on the right--get their asses handed to them. Pretty consistently. Maybe one day we should roll out the milquetoast conservative again, but this is not the time. Unless we want to keep losing, which I'm sure would be cool with you. I'm not so hip on it, myself.
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signed up for Obama's three-month civil defense training plan. Though it would be fun to see Harry doing his John-Candy-in-Stripes duty for his country...
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I agree with the principle of turnabout is fair play in principle. At least for shits and giggles. But I think Bush's presidency is a special case where looking for equivalency will be an uphill battle, to say the least. Naturally if you think he did a good job, that's a different matter entirely.
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Or not.
The impending Demographics of the younger more tolerant youth means the gay marriage issue will cease to become a Political Bear Trap for Democrats and will evolve into an issue that can be discussed without the crazies getting hysterical in time.
It simply can't be forced without sufficent consent and public support.
Politics is the art of the possible and though the difference between leading and shaping opinion and following opinion is a crucial one those who wish to see the change must keep making sensible incremental steps in acceptance and small but crucial steps forward in fiscal and civil equality raising the issues that can be won and using peacefull demonstration and public visibility without inflaming the issue.
This will never be quickly enough for some but overplaying the hand means the Religious Right and NeoCons leap onto the subject and use it as a culture war shouting slogan and the subject will never get discussed or acted on in calm measured tones just used in negative attack ads reducing it to idiot soundbites.
As for the Republican Civil War, what I find MOST interesting at the moment is FOX leading with all the charges against Palin. Exactly which dog does FOX have in this hunt ? Who is their Candidate of choice and where do they see the Republicans going because FOX IS where the Republicans will be fighting this battle as it is their National TV forum and holds enormous sway with the base. -
It hasn't dawned on you that rock-ribbed Cons are precisely the reason why the GOP has been greatly rejected? And you do realize that it would be to Obama's benefit for the Right to mercilously attack him or refuse to cooperate with him? Because if things get shittier (and they will) he can justifiably shift all blame on an uncooperative Right.
He's a smart guy. If Palin wants to see what a real pitbull looks like, she'll find out soon enough with Rahm Emanuel. John Boehner was right to express trepidation at this appointment.
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So much as the jackasses who really believe that a world of shit that has nothing to do with the American president is 100% his fault. That doesn't seem to change much, no matter who is in office. While the Iraq War obviously has everything to do with Bush, the day to day fluctuations of the stock market do not. Obama, ditto.
But I do blame Obama completely for getting us into the quagmire in Iraq. What was he thinking? He hasn't even been sworn in yet, and already he's had us in a six-years-long war, with no end in sight! -
One of them, a Republican ... something or other - was on "the Factor". I've seen her on there more than once. Anyway she was commenting on Prop 8 and basically she was saying the same thing G100 just did, more or less, in regards to gay marriage. It was weird.On a similar note, that blonde young woman on the View, who had been eating up the Barack-as-Other stuff, was frighteningly positive on Wednesday's post-election shot.
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"It hasn't dawned on you that rock-ribbed Cons are precisely the reason why the GOP has been greatly rejected?"While I've heard it a lot, I disagree. It's not a matter of it "dawning" on me. I'm fully familiar with the concept. I think it's entirely wrong. For a variety of reasons, I can't detail now because I gotta put kiddies to bed. Fox has a ratings dog in this fight, and don't think they don't. I love Palin. But, if I was getting an exclusive on this stuff, do you think I wouldn't report it? Damn straight, I would.More later, maybe.
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Nov 06, 2008 9:30:07 PM CST
JESSE JACKSON ET. AL. DIDN'T HAVE THE MOST IMPORTANT COLOR
by psalmolive
Jesse Jackson et. al. didn't have the most important color to be seen as a "SYMBOL", and that color is GREEN. THE GREEN OF COLD HARD CASH (from dubious sources, but that's another point altogether) Obama's broken promise of taking public financing is what helped him rise above what would have been a marginalized "protest" vote (as it was with past black presidential candidates) by the extreme left and various special interest organizations to the white establishment. Obama became a symbol of "HOPE" to blacks, and whites who wished to be part of history in exorcising a past which was completely irrelevant if Obama was truly a "post-racial" candidate. The point is, you have to have the money and infrastructure to rise above the perception of being a "fringe" candidate, and hand in hand with the media establishment, Obama purchased the presidency riding the post-colonial guilt horse straight into the Oval Office.
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I think Bush has done a decent job, with major caveats. These include The Department of Homeland Security, nationalizing the airport screeners, CFR, the prescription drug benefit, advocating for amnesty for illegals, the Iraq war, letting Ted Kennedy write most of No Child Left Behind, spending like a drunken sailor, and so on. And mishandling Social Security reform, which I was 100% supportive of, and pissed he couldn't get it done.
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Actually O'Reilly and that righty Monica who's also on the McLaughlin Group and Laura Ingraham were all up in arms about the Palin story. O'Reilly characterized the story as McCain ops bashing Palin, NOT what a problem Palin was; he also called the leakers cowards. Laura Ingraham said she was disgusted by the idea people were leaking these stories. They were all skeptical at best about the veracity of the stories.I'm not that skeptical, personally, but there WERE Romney people working in the McCain camp, and they may be trying to help their guy out come 2012.
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And I certainly would never parrot any of their points.
I honestly didn't see her but the Demographics are impossible to deny and not incidently are poison to the Hard Right Neocon Bush Religious Right strategies for winning Elections. -
O'Reilly was totally pathetic last night defending Palin in response to all of Carl Cameron's revelations about her. It was basically a laundry list of sub-Bush idiocies that O'Reilly just dismissed. But then again that's his M.O. - always dismissive of facts in favor of pushing his opinion as gospel.
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Yeah but what did he do that was good? Or even better: What did he do that was good that he didn't eventually ruin? I don't mean this as a rhetorical question.
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The most recent W. Bush clusterfuck. Forgot that one.
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Nov 06, 2008 9:38:04 PM CST
THE NEWSWEEK ELECTION SPECIAL IS ONLINE - CHAPTERS 1 TO 6
by bringingsexyback
This is fucking juicy stuff.
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And you're right, Romney has alot of Loyal supporters not just in the McCain Campaign but fairly widespread in the Republican hierarchy. But not all of the stories are from disgruntled Romneys and he ain't the only one who is looking at the 2012 slot and coveting it.
It's only a matter of time before the others Big Dogs left in the GOP break cover and start to "plea for Party Unity and a strategic reform of the Republican Party" - Translation - "I'm the only one who can win in 2012!" -
That may be the one and only good thing Bush has done in his presidency: DEFEND AMERICA.
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Nov 06, 2008 9:40:20 PM CST
YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE HOT? LARRY CRAIG GLORYHOLE PORN
by bringingsexyback
Now I'm horny.
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I fully expect Rod Serling to walk into my line of site any minute now. There has NEVER been a president elected that has been more mysterious, say's less and is as loved unconditionally by the media and public as Obama. Manchurian Candidate? Antichrist? I hope not, but it does make you wonder.
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That's only because the NeoCons never got around to executing another false flag op on us. Give them another 8 years.
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I live in LA. However, I worked on VH1's the Pickup Artist last year, and one of the guys on it (no, not Mystery or Matador) got me into Evolutionary Psychology. I also learned the one phrase that gets girls hot - polyamorous.
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Do I wonder if Obama is the antichrist? No. No, I don't wonder that. I don't wonder that AT ALL.
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How so? Read the Newsweek link above. It's a revealing look at the man behind the Messiah. He's not mysterious - just really damned smart.
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Yeah, polysyllables are aphrodisiacs. That's how Obama seduced the nation. We are his word sluts.
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Al-Queda got one attack on us in 1993 or 1994 (can't remember exactly which year) when they first tried to take down the world trade center. It took them about 8 years before they were able to pull off another attack on 9-11. They will probably attack us again but it won't be because Obama is president. It will be because the previous administration didn't destroy them when they had the chance. And before anyone points out how Clinton didn't get them before Bush, I will point out that Al-Queda didn't cause enough damage or concern for an American president to make the argument that we should invade a country and destroy a terrorist network (yeah, like they wouldn't have said he was wagging the dog on that one).
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But he could be the easter bunny...
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Honestly. I don't think liberal socialist are smart AT ALL. I think at least 55 million Amercans are intelligent enough to see through the media's massive illogical build-up of what I'm sure they think will be America's greatest president. It's very scary. I'll say it again. Welcome to the Twilight Zone.
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I laughed my ass off on that one.
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I agree. I don't think liberal socialist are that smart either. Good thing Obama isn't one. Of course, he isn't NEARLY as smart as such conservative free-market capitalist as Bush and Palin, but he is trying.
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And reduce a great many of the Republican lunatic fringe to hysterical Doom mongering whiners.
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How is this guy mysterious to people still? I hate to sound cliche here but I suspect it really is the color of his skin. Because at this point you'd have to make an effort NOT to know every goddamn thing about him.
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I wish I heard this point you made about attacks since 9/11. I'm obviously stoked there haven't been any (I live in NYC and that last one was a doozy), but when the lack of subsequent attacks on US soil is brought, it's as if there were a long unabated series of terrorist attacks here, then after 9/11 they just stopped. It's just not the case. I'm not saying the US HASN'T prevented things from happening, but at the same time I haven't heard of any major plots being foiled either. It's wonderful not to have terrorist attacks on US soil but kind of hard to gauge exactly why that has been the case.One thing we can gauge is the thousands upon thousands dead in Iraq. I wonder if that might have been avoided ...? Or is it worth it, because we "lured" al Qaida into Iraq, to fight them there. I'm sure the Iraqis were thrilled with that turn of events.
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"I wish I heard this point you made about attacks since 9/11 MORE OFTEN"
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Sarcasm is so becoming. You are a perfect example of the brainwashed mediadrones I was refering to.
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The problem with you New Yorkers is that you are real America-enough to get attacked, but not Real America-enough to be called patriotic.
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Who brought the douche?
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Nov 06, 2008 10:55:27 PM CST
obama, mysterious? he wrote two books, not to mention
by irrelevntelefant
when he burst on the scene at the dnc convention in 04, you don't think he caught the GOP's attention? you don't think they've been keeping tabs on him since 04? you really believe they didn't pick apart the two bestselling books that he wrote? the right has Karl fucking Rove. You really want me to believe Obama was never on Rove's radar? bullshit...
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Will undoubtedly attack America during an Obama presidency and it will be his fault for being perfectly inexperienced for the job. Bush is a genius, leaving Osama alone so he can literally blow up the Obama presidency. Jindal 2012!
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Nov 06, 2008 11:03:0