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Over the last few weeks AICN readers have seen quite a few positive reviews of QUANTUM OF SOLACE (Mastidon's HERE & Massawyrm's HERE, for example). We have about five other positive-to-glowing QUANTUM reviews (from readers) sitting in the AICN inbox this very moment.

However, in the interest of fair play, it's time for a few dissenting opinions. I wholeheartedly disagree with both of these perspectives - I personally think the film's pretty great. Nonetheless, these opinions are worth sharing, and will undoubtedly be held by (at least a few) other Bond fans.


First up, this feedback from Lee...

Firstly, Im not knocking this movie for the hell of it, I am British, I love Bond, he is a national institution! Ive enjoyed every 007 outing so far, yes some are better than others and yes the invisible car wasnt the best idea in the world, still I love 007 movies. I was so looking forward to QoS after being so blown away by CR, but like Indy Jones 4, I was very dissapointed. Daniel Craig is now my favourite Bond but QoS just fell way below par, which compelled me to actually submit this review to AICN.

Quantum of Solace - after Casino Royale, which I personally think is the best 007 movie ever, where do you go? Well not to Quantum of Solace, this could have been nearly as good but falls very flat, this isnt down to the actors they do the best they can with what they are given. The problem is they have wrote bond in this one as a terminator, no emotion at all. The whole idea of him saying he isnt out for revenge etc just doesnt work as his inner turmoil that should be delved into is never truley shown, due to a confused action movie script.

The film is quite short too and feels like they missed or edited out the whole charactisation, it feels like theres 30 - 45 minutes missing. The whole Bond and M relationship is only scraped upon and doesnt have the tension and growing respect as in CR, it only briefly scrapes the whole Bond killing all his leads and is really only in there as a plot McGuffin. Bonds connection with the latest Bond girl (I cant remember her name, which shows how much this film didnt draw me in) couldve been delved into more, it seemed their connection in regards to revenge was blown over briefly, it was a wasted opppertunity to bring the humanity to Bond like CR did.

The second problem is the action, the director hasnt a clue how to shoot and edited Bond action or action of any kind at all. It down via shakey cameras and MTV style edits and very fast cuts which make it near impossible for these action set pieces to come across as spectacular as they should do and do Bond justice. The whole free running chase in CR was an amazing set piece and you felt you were right there in the middle of it, not one of the action sequences made me feel like that at all, they just left me thinking what happened there? Blink and you miss it!

I also expected more character development and emotion from Mark Forester as his earlier films do have this, in which case I may have been able to forgive his awful attempt at cutting and putting together action sequences.

Then to add insult to injury, one of the worst bond themes ever which is basically white stripes try to do shirley bassey tops of the 2nd biggest dissapointment of the year after indy jones 4. Overall its ok but after raising the bar so high with Casino Royale, more time, care and getting the right director was needed. The big end finale was also very week and tried to mimic CR, very poorly I may add.

Daniel Craig is a great Bond, in fact I do think he is the best, but he and the other actors deserved better material, direction and vision. I pray they put the right director and writers together for 007's next outing. Probabley not bad to watch on DVD but dont waste your hard earned money going to the cinema.



And, here's The Northlander with his take on the film. Northlander's done quite a bit of work for us before...

Hey guys, The Northlander here.

I went to see the new BOND movie the other day and thought I'd send in my thoughts on it.

Personally, I'm not really what you would call a BOND fan. I don't have any feelings in particular towards this franchise, if it's good it's good if it's bad I don't want it. But I don't hate it. When I go see a Bond movie I expect it to hold up to at least your standard action movie level of fun, and I expect it to work even if it hadn't been a BOND movie.

So last time, when CASINO ROYALE came out, that was a pleasant surprise for me. That, I liked.

Unfortunately, I had some problems with QUANTUM OF SOLACE, and the more I've thought about it since I saw it, the more I realize I didn't really like it that much.

See, here's the thing. A lot of people draw parallells between this movie and the BOURNE movies. I'd like to offer a different view if I may. To me, this reminded me more than anything of LIVE FREE AND DIE HARD.

Not so much in style, but it had all the big problems LFADH had. The Bond villain this time - Dominic Greene, is evil enough with his plans to control the water supply in Bolivia. You also see the poor starving people who don't get their water from the tank and you feel bad for them. It's good that he also feels very human and realistic, they've really made an effort here to ground him, and they even say (I think twice) that he may be a villain but what player on this level isn't?

Anyone who makes deals with anyone - be it MI6 or some large corporation or the CIA - has to deal with bad people. So that's good that you feel the guy is a real human who could really exist, but here's the problem: Bond. James Bond in this movie is John McClane from DIE HARD 4. From frame one, where there's a huge car chase shootout action set piece to where he's fighting some henchman while they're both falling through a scaffold (a scene that somehow kind of reminded me of the one from moonraker where Moore is fighting for the parashute, just because it goes on and on and never stops...) to the scene where he actually falls out of an airplane... This guy just won't die. Or get hurt. Or flinch. He's got that Zoolander face throughout the whole thing. He's cut once in one scene, but he just ties a piece of clothing over the wound and it's never brought up again. I don't think he even has a scar later when you see him without shirt.
The big fight towards the end is in a blazing inferno, and after he and camille gets out there's not so much as a cough, from either of them. You try to fight for your life while the building is going up in flames all around you with black smoke everywhere, and see how long you make it without coughing.

Never once in this film does he stop and say to himself - 'I'm fucked. What the hell am I going to do now?'. The hero is only as powerful as the villain is, and in this case there's just no match. It's like JASON vs ZAC EFRON here - if Jason was the hero. You know he's gonna find him and kill him and there's never any sense of jeopardy.

What happened to the realistic feeling of CASINO ROYALE?? The Bond in this movie wouldn't so much as flinch if someone tied him naked to a chair and beat his nutsack with an oversized rope. He'd just smoke you with laser beams from his eyes or something.

I mean... Imagine this guy fighting a realistic approach villain. I actually feel sorry for the bad guy here because he stands no chance in hell to win. Ever. Bond just doesn't stop.

If you've seen the trailer you know M decides to pull his credit cards and passport, right? You wanna know how he solves that? He just gets some new ones. Easy. There's a scene where he goes back to M even though he's wanted and there are security men everywhere and he escapes not unlike he was Nicolas Cage in that NEXT movie. It's that bad.

I mean, look. The action is fun and well choreographed. There's a cool knife fight, a fun car chase, the action never stops. Everything (except some CGI shots) looks really, really good. Olga Kurylenko should really get something to eat, and some acting lessons though, but that's besides the point maybe.
And if that's all you ask from this movie you will like it I'm sure. If you like BOND for what it is, they you'll enjoy this.
But that's it. BOURNE is way better than this. CASINO ROYALE is too.

Next time they'd better take a cue from THE DARK KNIGHT because for the first time BATMAN feels more realistic than BOND. Two days after seeing this I think I liked GOLDENEYE better, but I haven't seen that one for a really long time so I could be wrong I suppose.

QUANTUM OF SOLACE is not bad. It's just a very less than average film that's saved by production value, franchise name and the memory of its predecessor.
That makes it worthwhile to watch I guess, if you're going to the cinema anyway, because there's not much else going on there at the moment. But it'll be forgotten soon enough. You can catch this on Blu-Ray some other time.

Keep that in mind, folks.

/The Northlander







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Rubbish!
by Stuntcock Mike
Nov 4th, 2008
11:31:44 AM
Damn....
by Karl Childers
Nov 4th, 2008
11:34:15 AM
Next was bad? 'fraid not squier.
by Stuntcock Mike
Nov 4th, 2008
11:35:02 AM
White Stripes trying to do Shirley Bassey
by terry1978
Nov 4th, 2008
11:37:50 AM
Go VOTE!
by erichaislar
Nov 4th, 2008
11:39:46 AM
I'm going to see the movie...
by moondoggy2u
Nov 4th, 2008
11:40:44 AM
That awful title
by TrumpyEatsPotatoes
Nov 4th, 2008
11:41:09 AM
Oh, and I like the White Stripes
by moondoggy2u
Nov 4th, 2008
11:41:21 AM
I disagree with both reviews.
by teh awesome
Nov 4th, 2008
11:43:41 AM
Go VOTE!
by Banzai Rootskibango
Nov 4th, 2008
11:44:42 AM
"Yeah, let me get two tix for James Bond"
by terry1978
Nov 4th, 2008
11:45:46 AM
The dude in the video
by eatsnackysmores
Nov 4th, 2008
11:46:32 AM
I already voted, Banzai
by moondoggy2u
Nov 4th, 2008
11:46:35 AM
I thought this was more of what Bond was from the books
by spectrebeeyatch
Nov 4th, 2008
11:48:34 AM
Shit. I can't believe this sucks.
by dr sauch
Nov 4th, 2008
12:06:42 PM
moondoggy2u...
by Banzai Rootskibango
Nov 4th, 2008
12:15:05 PM
IAmJack'sUserID...
by mr_macphisto
Nov 4th, 2008
12:17:09 PM
The Bond from the Books
by TheNorthlander
Nov 4th, 2008
12:18:48 PM
Any Americans watch a bootleg yet?
by Quake II
Nov 4th, 2008
12:26:13 PM
Crap! I knew it!
by maddox
Nov 4th, 2008
12:31:56 PM
The reason for the 3 week wait in the US
by ArcadianDS
Nov 4th, 2008
12:42:10 PM
what a crock of shit those reviews were
by bongo123
Nov 4th, 2008
12:43:34 PM
Hey man, no shame in likeing "Goldeneye"
by Subtlety
Nov 4th, 2008
12:45:41 PM
Don't listen to the haters.
by Donkey_Lasher
Nov 4th, 2008
12:49:13 PM
They're right you know...
by J.B.M.A.
Nov 4th, 2008
12:51:38 PM
Nonsense
by Talcy
Nov 4th, 2008
12:52:43 PM
I can name worse Bonds than this...
by Donkey_Lasher
Nov 4th, 2008
12:57:49 PM
Don't they speak English in Britain?
by bah
Nov 4th, 2008
01:00:31 PM
And.....
by Donkey_Lasher
Nov 4th, 2008
01:01:37 PM
These movies are basically "Bond Begins"
by terry1978
Nov 4th, 2008
01:25:50 PM
Gadgets
by Talcy
Nov 4th, 2008
01:36:24 PM
Agreed Talcy
by Donkey_Lasher
Nov 4th, 2008
01:43:18 PM
^Yes, but it's shit that we have in real life
by terry1978
Nov 4th, 2008
01:43:29 PM
THESE REVIEWS
by The InSneider
Nov 4th, 2008
02:18:19 PM
The action scenes are TERRIBLE
by Reelheed
Nov 4th, 2008
02:58:12 PM
R.E. Don't they speak English in Britain?
by Reelheed
Nov 4th, 2008
03:01:36 PM
talk about a polarizing effect.... Spoilers possibly
by earlfist
Nov 4th, 2008
03:31:27 PM
Northlander Bond books
by jamestewart007
Nov 4th, 2008
03:42:41 PM
jamestewart007
by TheNorthlander
Nov 4th, 2008
03:58:33 PM
TheNorthlander
by maelstrom_ZERO
Nov 4th, 2008
04:54:23 PM
these reviews are on the money
by newc0253
Nov 4th, 2008
05:14:42 PM
Goldeneye is FANTASTIC.
by Kid Idioteque
Nov 4th, 2008
05:31:42 PM
Bond rocks !
by DIBARAHMAN
Nov 4th, 2008
05:36:45 PM
What's funny is that
by BillEmic
Nov 4th, 2008
06:54:39 PM
Have to agree with those reviews..
by TheAllSeeingEye
Nov 4th, 2008
07:37:17 PM
The Living Daylights...
by JohnRevik
Nov 4th, 2008
07:54:38 PM
Never been shaken or stirred until recently...
by Ace of Wands
Nov 4th, 2008
09:43:05 PM
Ah!!!! It seems like QoS abandons CRap.
by kabong
Nov 4th, 2008
11:29:56 PM
Finally some not so glowing reviews! I thought AICN was blowing
by Brody77
Nov 5th, 2008
03:44:48 AM
Jack White was'nt attempting to do a 'Bassey'
by KillaKane
Nov 5th, 2008
04:10:21 AM
First review nails it
by Mr Kite
Nov 5th, 2008
05:56:36 AM
This movie is poor
by Midnightxpress
Nov 5th, 2008
06:23:04 AM
It is gash
by Mr_P
Nov 5th, 2008
06:32:50 AM
It's really BAD. Very Poor.
by Alex Trevelyan
Nov 5th, 2008
06:51:04 AM
Quantum of Shite
by Alex Trevelyan
Nov 5th, 2008
07:03:19 AM
We can speak English in the UK, which I will probably now dispro
by Dalius
Nov 5th, 2008
07:09:31 AM
'not much else going on in the cinema'
by Mr Gorilla
Nov 5th, 2008
07:17:38 AM
Also...
by Mr Gorilla
Nov 5th, 2008
07:27:23 AM

by Dude_gimme_tabs
Nov 5th, 2008
07:31:14 AM
Whats with the Moaning
by ukmaxi
Nov 5th, 2008
07:47:40 AM
Despite what I said before I thought it was OK
by Reelheed
Nov 5th, 2008
07:56:58 AM
Best Bit is the Opera
by Brody77
Nov 5th, 2008
08:28:35 AM
Best bit !?!?
by Dude_gimme_tabs
Nov 5th, 2008
08:51:52 AM
Quantum of Solace
by Dude_gimme_tabs
Nov 5th, 2008
08:55:20 AM
Mr Gorilla
by TheNorthlander
Nov 5th, 2008
09:16:11 AM
Completely agree with these
by filmcoyote
Nov 5th, 2008
09:17:57 AM
Hey Northlander
by Mr Gorilla
Nov 5th, 2008
09:23:23 AM
Hey, TheNorthlander, did you actually *see* this movie at all?
by irishraidersfan
Nov 5th, 2008
09:35:54 AM
Alex Trevelyan - what an argument!!
by irishraidersfan
Nov 5th, 2008
09:40:40 AM
Stadler and Waldorf
by Mr Gorilla
Nov 5th, 2008
09:49:46 AM
Ha ha! I'd have to agree!
by irishraidersfan
Nov 5th, 2008
09:53:02 AM
irishraidersfan
by TheNorthlander
Nov 5th, 2008
11:27:13 AM
Sorry irishraidersfan
by Alex Trevelyan
Nov 5th, 2008
12:25:52 PM
Correction to typo
by Alex Trevelyan
Nov 5th, 2008
12:31:07 PM
"Olga Kurylenko really should get something to eat"
by GreatWhiteNoise
Nov 5th, 2008
02:42:34 PM
Quantum of solace...
by emeraldboy
Nov 5th, 2008
03:39:57 PM
The reason why there is 30 -40 mins missing is
by emeraldboy
Nov 5th, 2008
03:59:07 PM
Emeraldboy
by Alex Trevelyan
Nov 5th, 2008
04:37:18 PM
Thank you Dude_gimme_tabs, for explaining that
by I Dunno
Nov 5th, 2008
07:21:50 PM
Re-Edited?
by Brody77
Nov 6th, 2008
02:36:29 AM
Dark Knight Changes Everything Once Again.
by Sidepocket
Nov 6th, 2008
02:47:00 AM
Someone who is real and proper critic in IReland..
by emeraldboy
Nov 6th, 2008
04:25:33 AM

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